Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Occult Rejects. Today we're today We're
Speaker 1: joined by Dan Richards. A lot of you already know
Speaker 1: Dan for his sharp commentary, his willingness to get into
Speaker 1: the weeds on controversial topics, and his talent for cutting
Speaker 1: through nonsense in a way that's both entertaining and brutally effective.
Speaker 1: He's someone who can talk about big ideas, weird claims,
Speaker 1: internet drama, and serious debates all in the same breath
Speaker 1: and somehow makes it all work. I've had the pleasure
Speaker 1: of meeting Dan twice in real life, and I can
Speaker 1: honestly say he's a genuine cool dude. He's easy to
Speaker 1: talk to, down to earth, and just as engaging off
Speaker 1: camera as he is online. But once he got that's online,
Speaker 1: that other side kicks in, and that's where the trolling,
Speaker 1: the shade, and the absolute precision starts showing up. His
Speaker 1: ability to throw shade, which style is honestly impressive and
Speaker 1: part of what makes him so fun to watch. What
Speaker 1: I appreciate about Dan is that he brings intelligence, humor,
Speaker 1: and a little chaos to the conversation. He's not afraid
Speaker 1: to challenge people, he's not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions,
Speaker 1: and he definitely doesn't mind ruffling feathers when he thinks
Speaker 1: it's deserved. So I'm really glad to have him back on.
Speaker 1: But before we introduce him, let me introduce the other rejects.
Speaker 1: And we got Judith the Loon joining us. What is
Speaker 1: going on? Judith? How are you?
Speaker 3: Hello? Thank you for having me and welcome super Sexyd
Speaker 3: You can catch me. You can catch me on YouTube
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate you joining us and
Speaker 1: my man headless Jian, what is going on, sir? How
Speaker 1: the hell are you?
Speaker 4: I'm doing good. You can catch me on X and
Speaker 4: on Instagram and also on YouTube. We had X all
Speaker 4: trialog this morning to me, Indigo and Ricardo. It was amazing.
Speaker 4: We had a great two hour round trip talking about
Speaker 4: everything from machine elves to man everything. It was great.
Speaker 1: Nice got to talk about the machine oves love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for jumping on the man. And
Speaker 1: we got Ethan Indigo. What is going on? Sir? How
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Speaker 5: Great to be here? Great to see everybody. Nick, Thanks
Speaker 5: for putting together all these great meetings of the minds.
Speaker 5: To Duncan Dan, awesome to talk with you once again.
Speaker 5: And I'm Ethan Indigo Smith. Easy to find on all
Speaker 5: the social media, soveral books out there and more articles coming.
Speaker 5: And again I appreciate being here.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you sir. And finally Dan the man himself.
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Speaker 6: Fine. The only thing I'd want to say is that
Speaker 6: May one through third we got the well the conference,
Speaker 6: the question for Ansient Civilisations Conference. Getting a litt dyslexic there. Sorry,
Speaker 6: but it's gonna be me and I'm a bunch of
Speaker 6: other people to David Hatchet Childress and you're gonna have
Speaker 6: I believe Hugh Newman's gonna be there. There's gonna be
Speaker 6: a bunch of people there. That's I'll put a link
Speaker 6: down below on my channel. But yeah, I'm gonna be
Speaker 6: there in person. You'll be to get to drink with me,
Speaker 6: yell at me, screaming at me. Oh, Brandon Lee Man,
Speaker 6: I thought he died on the crow. Sorry, I'm sure
Speaker 6: it's the first time you've heard that in your entire life.
Speaker 7: Sorry, definitely the first time.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 6: Hello, Yeah, it's good to see everybody, and that that's
Speaker 6: the only thing I wanted to plug. And yeah, let's
Speaker 6: just let's just chat away.
Speaker 1: Yeah real quickie. That's the one, the one that's coming
Speaker 1: up that you just mentioned that is being done by
Speaker 1: Wandering Wolf.
Speaker 6: Yeah, by a Wandering Wolf and Robert from World Media.
Speaker 6: It's in Sedona, Arizona, which is the hippiest of hippie towns.
Speaker 6: It's it's pretty pretty wildly crazy. When i'd never been
Speaker 6: there before, I went to speak with Graham Hancock there
Speaker 6: about a year ago and I looked it up and said, Noah,
Speaker 6: Arizona is known for lay lines and vortices. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: that is a fucking hippie town if I ever heard
Speaker 6: of one. So what do you guys have lay lines? Yeah, mushrooms,
Speaker 6: but we don't grow here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just wanted to let people know me and
Speaker 1: head let's have the pleasure of going to the one
Speaker 1: in what Phoenix and that's you know, I saw you
Speaker 1: for the second time and uh yeah, highly suggested if
Speaker 1: people can make it. It was. It was an awesome,
Speaker 1: awesome event out of blast, a lot of great speakers
Speaker 1: and great people there, so definitely check it out if
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 6: But uh, think it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: All right, Hell yeah it was so. I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know what I mean. I know I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you about the Second Sphinx, but I know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's also other things that you've been kind
Speaker 1: of going on about it. Fine, it's interesting, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: what what is your thoughts on all that?
Speaker 6: Well, I've always thought there was a second Sphinx, and
Speaker 6: that's we'll start with that. It's funny, it's even no
Speaker 6: matter what your opinions are on it. It seems like alternate
Speaker 6: history people almost all of us, are like, there's probably
Speaker 6: a second Sphinx somewhere, you see it, and all the
Speaker 6: stellas and everything, and then you have all this dualistic
Speaker 6: shit in Egyptian literature and whatnot. So it's funny that
Speaker 6: we have this search going on from our perspective, but
Speaker 6: you don't really say, you don't really see you don't
Speaker 6: really see academics looking for the second Sphinx every now
Speaker 6: and again. But in this case, and in this case,
Speaker 6: we have how do you put it? I personally still
Speaker 6: the opinion that the second Sphinx is in the sky.
Speaker 6: I think it's Leo that the these the SAAR scan stuff.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm assume everybody here knows it's proprietary. The
Speaker 6: software that they use to scan under the Pyramids and
Speaker 6: to scan under Huara and to scan for the second Sphinx,
Speaker 6: this is proprietary stuff there. The the scan data comes
Speaker 6: from the satellite. They access this data and then run
Speaker 6: it through the software without other people having the ability
Speaker 6: to use the software to verify it. It's you know,
Speaker 6: it does have the trust me bro thing attached to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just said one thing I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you real quick. Starting to run.
Speaker 6: Babble all day, so no, no, please help me off quick.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: The people who are dealing with this second Sphinx is
Speaker 1: that also the Italian doctors that found the stuff under
Speaker 1: the Pyramids.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's the same the same uh, the same technology
Speaker 6: and the same people yet okayond was I'm pretty sure
Speaker 6: it was Filipo that was on Matt Bell's podcast, Big
Speaker 6: plugged to Matt Bell from Limitless he's a stud in
Speaker 6: the half and that's where he was interviewing Filipo and
Speaker 6: that's where it took off. That's that's the news. The
Speaker 6: media grafted onto that, and hopefully Matt got some follows
Speaker 6: out of the deal because he's he is well, he
Speaker 6: don't he don't need the money from ad revenue, so
Speaker 6: he just does his own thing on YouTube. So I
Speaker 6: do you know, I have a lot of respect for Matt.
Speaker 6: I'll just really quickly he's as far as as rich
Speaker 6: dudes go, he's as he's as cool as you're gonna find.
Speaker 6: He's as down the earth as you're gonna find. He'll
Speaker 6: he'll quickly admit that he's like, I don't know, I
Speaker 6: didn't grow up in that kind of environment. He'll ask questions,
Speaker 6: he doesn't get all do I care? I can buy
Speaker 6: your house? He's not none of that kind of attitude
Speaker 6: from him whatsoever. And he's very humble and a lot
Speaker 6: nicer of a guy than I could ever wrote to be.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I met him a cosmic summit. I thought
Speaker 1: he was a really nice guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know he was loaded and figured he
Speaker 1: probably wasn't by the way he acted.
Speaker 6: No, yeah, he owns. He owns Bell Industries, which is
Speaker 6: a it's not a publicly traded company, but it's like
Speaker 6: Ross basically, it's a closed and it's they're like thirty states.
Speaker 6: He's got over he's got thousands and thousands of employees.
Speaker 6: Was like, put it that way, thousands and thousands of employees.
Speaker 6: He's he's hundreds of stores, right, He's During COVID, he
Speaker 6: was able because he's he's like a Chick fil a.
Speaker 6: He can just do his own thing. He doesn't have
Speaker 6: a shareholders to deal with. During COVID, he was buying
Speaker 6: up competitors ship when they would close down and they'd
Speaker 6: option it off, He's like, I'm the only guy there
Speaker 6: to bid take it.
Speaker 1: So wow, swamping.
Speaker 6: Man anyway, Yeah, that's that's a stud.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a super sexy to.
Speaker 6: So he's almost as sexy as me.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, the reason why I was asking you
Speaker 1: that with the with the pyramids is because like again,
Speaker 1: there's only so many people that can have that technology
Speaker 1: to even say that that's what happened. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, how uh you don't
Speaker 1: have too many people that have the same stuff to
Speaker 1: back up yet you know what I'm saying, like, don't
Speaker 1: you need it? Would help if you had two or
Speaker 1: three other people kind of saying, oh, we found the
Speaker 1: same shit.
Speaker 6: That's absolutely right. And another big problem is there's like
Speaker 6: a lump of dirt. Basically you've probably seeing the photographs
Speaker 6: of like a lump of dirt, whether proposing this Matt
Speaker 6: from Ancient Architects, Matt Simpson, he brought up. I just
Speaker 6: was watching a short video of his earlier today or
Speaker 6: last night that was a photograph of that same region
Speaker 6: from like the nineteen twenties, and it doesn't have that
Speaker 6: lump of dirt where it looks like that that dirt
Speaker 6: was dug out of somewhere else or whatnot. Right, So
Speaker 6: that's another very interesting thing here. But I get you know,
Speaker 6: my opinion on that their scan technology is they're using AI, right,
Speaker 6: So I think that that's why we're going to see
Speaker 6: like problems. If you remember the first big scan they
Speaker 6: did and it had like five teams chambers in the pyramid,
Speaker 6: do you remember that? Do you remember when AI gave
Speaker 6: everything six thumbs and their freaking toes were fat backwards
Speaker 6: and all that. I was going to say, some kind
Speaker 6: of shit.
Speaker 1: I'm still having problems with images sometimes when I ask
Speaker 1: you to do things with me.
Speaker 6: Sometimes It really it's like the whoever's operating those things
Speaker 6: has got what hell of a sense of humor? Is
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make Keanu Reeves look as just as dumb
Speaker 6: as I can for you here, buddy, But I got
Speaker 6: a yeah.
Speaker 4: So we we see from the historical record all of
Speaker 4: these references to this underground complex and Hawara, and if
Speaker 4: we really want a key to understanding what's you know,
Speaker 4: maybe even lost in the rest of Egyptian history and
Speaker 4: Egyptian archaeology, that would be the main place. Why are
Speaker 4: they so reluctant to excavate Hawara, the huge underground complex.
Speaker 6: There, I think, well, for a few I think there's
Speaker 6: a few reasons. One of them is that they've said
Speaker 6: for like a century that they know where Juara is
Speaker 6: and that the labyrinth was all above ground and everything
Speaker 6: else is basically bs. So that's one thing. The second
Speaker 6: thing is, you know, they'll never give any of us
Speaker 6: a lick of credit for anything, all right, It's that's
Speaker 6: gonna happen. So if we go and we say, hey,
Speaker 6: we think this, I'll give you a prime example, Ben
Speaker 6: van Kirkwick's work with the vases and the base scan
Speaker 6: team and everything. At the very least it's demonstrated that
Speaker 6: the ancient Egyptians had a lathe handheld lathe or something
Speaker 6: like that, a much more precise lathing type of machinery
Speaker 6: fifteen hundred years or so, then we would give him
Speaker 6: credit for right. And it's not like insane, like it's
Speaker 6: not the ancient high technology Ben's looking for, but it
Speaker 6: is at the very if you're really skeptical, at the
Speaker 6: very least, he's pushed the bar that far. Now instead
Speaker 6: of saying, man, Ben dearly did some good work, those
Speaker 6: guys are just using that position as a stick to
Speaker 6: hit Ben over the head with to say, look how
Speaker 6: stupid you are, Look how stupid. It's like he deserves
Speaker 6: the fucking credit. Guys. He's the one that's I mean,
Speaker 6: it's not the only guy, but he's the reason, you
Speaker 6: know it, he's the reason you're coming after him with
Speaker 6: it and they need time to loot. Juara Bingo, I
Speaker 6: see live Dan and everything stops. Oh thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: I want to say it takes to Nick McCartney. He's
Speaker 6: like a badass moderator for me and puts in a
Speaker 6: lot of free, free labor, which is great because it
Speaker 6: satisfies that like ancestral need for slaves. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you're good. You're good, You're good. So, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: from what you've seen, what do you think is the
Speaker 1: actual evidence, like from behind this, behind this, glean.
Speaker 6: On the sphinx, I'm pretty skeptical of it. Hawara, on
Speaker 6: the other hand, that's where I think, that's where I
Speaker 6: really want to dig. That's the place out of all
Speaker 6: the spots that i'm because even if the scan team,
Speaker 6: even if the scan software is complete bullshit, the accounts,
Speaker 6: you know, Howara was supposed to be the fourth one
Speaker 6: of four pyramid or what extual you one of four labyrinths,
Speaker 6: one of them being the uh one from the Minotaurs
Speaker 6: and all that shit on concrete, and then one I
Speaker 6: forget whether you were supposed to be, but there were
Speaker 6: four that they that I believe was heroded as listed
Speaker 6: and that they were all based on Huara, and they
Speaker 6: found what they believed to be the one in crete.
Speaker 6: But it barely really meets the standard of what's been described.
Speaker 6: So you wonder if it's you know, if it's kind
Speaker 6: of a you know, a homage or you know, a
Speaker 6: small pyramid, a mud brick version of the Great Pyramids
Speaker 6: drawn analogy, right, Maybe it's just a step down. It's
Speaker 6: hard to say, but the Howara maze was definitely a
Speaker 6: thing that was talked about a lot in by ancient historians.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I personally think that I'm shocked that we
Speaker 6: haven't seen more action on that area since it was.
Speaker 6: Petrie was a verse guy that was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: here we go. Here's a mazed take care of guys.
Speaker 4: Fifteen you know, I mean, we're we're missing all this stuff.
Speaker 4: It's like, guys, it's right there. Herodotus talked about it.
Speaker 4: Pythagoras went there, Plato went there. All of these major
Speaker 4: figures in classical history were coming out of that place.
Speaker 4: Is this college of mystics, and we're just ignoring it
Speaker 4: for some reason.
Speaker 6: They do that so much. I was really blown away.
Speaker 6: I'm working on a video. I've worked on several videos,
Speaker 6: but this will be a little spoiler on one that's
Speaker 6: coming in a month or two. The giants thing like
Speaker 6: I blew my mind. Like I was doing I was
Speaker 6: just watching videos at random, like reels, just both doing nothing,
Speaker 6: and it had a one about one of the mounds
Speaker 6: over in West Virginia, and so I just was like, oh,
Speaker 6: that's a little interesting. So I start looking into it
Speaker 6: a little bit and this bones in the thing were
Speaker 6: there was like ten thirteen skeletons total, and like ten
Speaker 6: of them were like over seven foot. And the guy
Speaker 6: that records this, it's like, okay, So at that point
Speaker 6: you got to check the dude. That's immediately my next thing.
Speaker 6: He's like, all right, is this guy he always he
Speaker 6: get a tea captain giant man? Was he? You know?
Speaker 6: Was he a good scientist? What was his deal? He
Speaker 6: was a fucking great scientist. He was like really known
Speaker 6: for all kinds of shit and like well respected in
Speaker 6: the field of archaeology. And this wasn't the only time
Speaker 6: he reported giant bones. And they're not like insanely big.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, seven foot's not like so abnormal
Speaker 6: is to be. You know, we have seven foot people
Speaker 6: in the NBA to day. It's just that, I honestly
Speaker 6: think a lot that probably had to do with a
Speaker 6: little bit of cultural indignation. It's like, hey, who who
Speaker 6: who whoa whoa whoa whoa. You can't have these engines
Speaker 6: being taller than us. That's that's terrible because the Smithsonian
Speaker 6: comes out and puts on it like a rata. Basically,
Speaker 6: he says, oh no, no, no, no, no, guys, that's not
Speaker 6: exactly what happened. These weren't giant bones. These were you know,
Speaker 6: he just mismeasured them. And that, honestly is The guy's
Speaker 6: a fucking scientist. He's really good at all these different
Speaker 6: kinds of things and drawing pictures and all this exactly labor,
Speaker 6: but he doesn't how to use a tape measure. I'm
Speaker 6: just like you, guys, that's the same kind of thing here.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh yeah, Plato Herodias, these guys, yeah, they
Speaker 6: do all kinds of stuff every now and again. They
Speaker 6: were wrong, but that that just bullshit. They just made
Speaker 6: that up. Basically, come on, guys.
Speaker 1: Not to uh, you know, kind of kill this and
Speaker 1: go back to where we were before. But there was
Speaker 1: another I still wanted to ask you. You did mention
Speaker 1: the Sphinx around this? You think they're in this in
Speaker 1: the sky.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that Leo is the second Sphinx, and
Speaker 6: like when they reference.
Speaker 1: But no, I was going to say anything, like what's
Speaker 1: like the reasoning? Like is there anything else besides that
Speaker 1: that makes you think that or well, the.
Speaker 6: Like the the sky ground dualism kind of thing. And
Speaker 6: you see multiple images of dualistic things in ancient Egypt,
Speaker 6: and one of them quite often is the sphinx, and
Speaker 6: that's I think that's why a lot of people are
Speaker 6: looking for a second sphinx. Mean even know the stella,
Speaker 6: the dream stellar right in front of it. It's got
Speaker 6: two sphinxes back to back, right like facing opposite directions.
Speaker 6: I can see.
Speaker 1: I can see that. So fuck.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do numbers, you know.
Speaker 1: Kaus of pyramids. I mean I could see how maybe
Speaker 1: other things that they built might match stars or constellations.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's there's actually no. This is one of
Speaker 6: the funny things too. There's a lot of people that
Speaker 6: are really skeptical of the orion Geza correlation, and uh
Speaker 6: they and the reason is because of the ten thousand
Speaker 6: fid that that's you know, that's going to put so
Speaker 6: many people off every time. But there's an archaeo astronomer
Speaker 6: name Vintenzio or a Fino, and he wrote a paper,
Speaker 6: a couple of papers in fact, that are discussing those
Speaker 6: orion Gize correlation and he found what he believes to
Speaker 6: be a Fourth Dynasty reference, like a correlation and one
Speaker 6: of the which may or may not be accurate. But
Speaker 6: one of the coolest things about his work is that
Speaker 6: he found a direct and verse correlation between the magnitude
Speaker 6: of the star of the apparent magnitude, which is how
Speaker 6: bright it looks from the ground, and the size of
Speaker 6: the pyramid. And it's not just it's not just star brighter,
Speaker 6: pyramid smaller. It follows a steady line that happens to
Speaker 6: be it happens to be a very popular mathematical form
Speaker 6: in their construction over there. It's like his work was
Speaker 6: really interesting to me, and it was like the first
Speaker 6: archaeo astronomer that actually took Robert Beavall's work seriously and
Speaker 6: was like, Okay, let's see what we got under the
Speaker 6: hood here. And next thing you know, it's like you
Speaker 6: have a scientific debate. You have maybe it's ten thousand,
Speaker 6: five hundred BC. You have a guy say it's Fourth Dynasty.
Speaker 6: There's another guy that thinks that the star Sirrus is involved.
Speaker 6: It becomes what it should be, as opposed to being
Speaker 6: poop pooed out the gate, which it was through bullshit
Speaker 6: means there was no way to go check in those
Speaker 6: days in the nineties when Robert Mval first talked about
Speaker 6: this late eighties early nineties, there was no way to
Speaker 6: get online and go say what was the star? What
Speaker 6: was the constellation that housed the sun in the spring
Speaker 6: equinox of ten thy five hundred BC. You're beholden to
Speaker 6: fucking astrological books that you had to go buy at
Speaker 6: a hippie store that may or may not even care
Speaker 6: if it's accurate, right, But nowadays you can go google it.
Speaker 6: So one of the things they said is all Leo
Speaker 6: wasn't in and it's like, well, it was on the cusps,
Speaker 6: so it was at the start of Leo. Yeah. And
Speaker 6: the other one that they say is that it's backwards. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's backwards. It's one hundred and eighty degrees backwards. Except
Speaker 6: for imagine there's something drawn on this. There's two ways
Speaker 6: you can lay it down, Okay, So it's like if
Speaker 6: I draw three dots on my hand and lay it
Speaker 6: down this way or lay it down this way, there's
Speaker 6: going to be one hundred and eighty degre he's offering
Speaker 6: each other. And if it's emulating the sky. It really
Speaker 6: is going to depend on the convention. So for them
Speaker 6: to say, oh, it's backwards, it's like, it's a fucking
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty degrees backwards because you chose the
Speaker 6: wrong convention deliberately. So the debunkers were lying about this
Speaker 6: three decades right out the gate. They fucking lied about it.
Speaker 6: And we're talking Ed ed Krup, who's one of the
Speaker 6: premier archaeo astronomers in the world. I've got one of
Speaker 6: his books on my shelf and I love his work normally,
Speaker 6: but he was absolute shit heel on this one.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a lot of mind fucker like
Speaker 1: people actually sit there and like really spend time to
Speaker 1: like give an answer to fuck up shit like that.
Speaker 6: I think that there's a degree of that. You have,
Speaker 6: you have, you have. Social engineering is always a thing, right,
Speaker 6: and ever's you know people, some people take jobs to
Speaker 6: teaching is a great example of a parallel people take.
Speaker 6: Some people take jobs to educate the next generation. Other
Speaker 6: people take jobs to indoctrinate the next generation. So some
Speaker 6: people are writing papers with the mention of adding scientific data.
Speaker 6: And then there's guys like John Hoops, who is just
Speaker 6: out there basically to poop poo all over the opposition,
Speaker 6: that being the people that are the most likely to
Speaker 6: buy their books, watch their fucking YouTube videos, et cetera,
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. It's like these guys, why is
Speaker 6: their phone being drawing up? I don't know, man, I
Speaker 6: don't know. It's crazy. It's it's like it's like standing
Speaker 6: are McDonald's and telling everybody that beef is stupid. Why
Speaker 6: are you eating cows? And then wondering why they don't
Speaker 6: come back. You're fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Now, just for I guess, you know, for shits and giggles.
Speaker 1: Let's say somehow they do actually say like there's something
Speaker 1: underneath that. What do you think that would change? Do
Speaker 1: you think that would change Egyptian? Like in Egyptian history
Speaker 1: the way we look at it.
Speaker 6: I think if they found a second Sphinx, it would
Speaker 6: absolutely absolutely change Egyptian history. Mean, that's that's the whole thing.
Speaker 6: They are so hell bent on keeping this timeline. I
Speaker 6: don't understand at all they really are. I don't understand it.
Speaker 6: They are so hell bent on keeping this timeline intact
Speaker 6: that that they massage data with the Bayesian modeling that
Speaker 6: they do whatever they can to not have anything moved
Speaker 6: at all. And I understand that, like it's been kind
Speaker 6: of the gold standard, like the Egyptian the Egyptian chronology
Speaker 6: that's based mostly on written records but also on a
Speaker 6: handful of other things, has been you know, mostly like
Speaker 6: they take written records and form it through stars and
Speaker 6: all kinds of It's a complicated thing, but it's generally
Speaker 6: known as the written records. And this is to differentiate
Speaker 6: it from the times when carbon dating became the like
Speaker 6: the big part that informs things. Normally they use carbon
Speaker 6: dating to refine dates. It's because it's a fucking hard science.
Speaker 6: But in the case of Gize, it's like, oh, two
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty years, three hundred years OFFU man, that's rough. No,
Speaker 6: if we eliminate the later dates and then we start
Speaker 6: with the ones and we favor the ones that are
Speaker 6: closest to the ends of construction, and then we eliminate
Speaker 6: all the dates that don't correspond to known pharaohs. Hey,
Speaker 6: look at that. The Carpentati fucking lines right up with
Speaker 6: the written records. It's like, okay, cool, that's we can
Speaker 6: do that with freaking creation science. Man, we can do
Speaker 6: that with the Bible. We can do that with any
Speaker 6: fucking book you want. We can sit down, play around,
Speaker 6: move shit around, and eventually end up with data that
Speaker 6: supports our position. And some people will go down that road.
Speaker 1: That's one thing. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 1: think maybe you'd probably even notice, probably not saying it
Speaker 1: in the best way, but I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of things get discredited because they want to it doesn't
Speaker 1: fit our timeline of how this all happened. It's like
Speaker 1: that's always the reason. That's so many reasons why. It's
Speaker 1: just like, can we just say maybe it's wrong? Like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck's the problem with that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it seems hey, I got something.
Speaker 2: It seems like there's a massive problem with it because
Speaker 2: it doesn't coalign with the functionalist, mechanistic, Cartesian world that
Speaker 2: we live in. So, you know, it's one of those
Speaker 2: things that if you don't add in the esoteric alchemical
Speaker 2: understanding of the signs and symbols that the Egyptians were using,
Speaker 2: kind of like what Dan was talking to, what he's
Speaker 2: talking about was like the second sphinx seems more likely
Speaker 2: to be an astrological significance more than that, there's another
Speaker 2: sphinx underneath it, somewhere buried deep underground, which is easily
Speaker 2: can be debunked because of the you know, it's a
Speaker 2: proprietary software that's finding it, you know. And so if
Speaker 2: we can go deep into the initiatory understanding of the
Speaker 2: mythological and the symbolic of what the Egyptians were actually
Speaker 2: doing with their mystery traditions, I think that's a really
Speaker 2: important understanding of how our world through time is evolving
Speaker 2: with consciousness interacting with these things.
Speaker 7: Since the Egyptians really.
Speaker 2: Understood that and their understanding of what death means, which
Speaker 2: is completely different than what our understanding of death is today,
Speaker 2: which is really important point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if half the time that they spend
Speaker 1: on Ourchael Joe there was also put into esotericism or
Speaker 1: the occult, they'd actually figure out more shit.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, sorry, Danie, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well no, I get really excited about this because it's
Speaker 2: like that is the I think once we can see
Speaker 2: it from there, our vision becomes not so myopic and
Speaker 2: it starts to expand itself, and our awareness of what
Speaker 2: is possible then can be broadened, and how we view
Speaker 2: the horizon of understanding of what Egyptology even is can
Speaker 2: be understood a lot better. Then we can actually look
Speaker 2: at these things differently from a different perspective, and then
Speaker 2: we're going to get different answers. It's very similar to
Speaker 2: like the climate nonsense that's going on. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: if we could add in the solar minimums and maximums
Speaker 2: into these things, and the cyclical nature of how the
Speaker 2: planet changes, and then all of a sudden we get
Speaker 2: a lot of different things, and then we're not talking
Speaker 2: about cows farting. We're actually talking about, you know, like
Speaker 2: how the Earth changes through time and our place as
Speaker 2: humans within it. All.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: I think as far as the esotericism and stuff goes,
Speaker 6: it gets really difficult because it gets so attached to
Speaker 6: it's it's attached to religious and spiritual thinking, and you
Speaker 6: get into the realm of faith. And the problem with
Speaker 6: the problem with faith is the same thing that it's
Speaker 6: the problem when you're having discussions about alternate theories, like
Speaker 6: we're talking about the Sphinx. For example, if somebody comes
Speaker 6: in here in their hell bent that they know for
Speaker 6: certain what's up with the second Sphinx, and that's it period,
Speaker 6: end of story. It's kind of hard to have a
Speaker 6: meaningful conversation with them. And the people that are the
Speaker 6: most prominent in the spiritual world tend to have that
Speaker 6: kind of self I'm certain, I know for I've got this,
Speaker 6: I've informed from the higher power, and that rubs that
Speaker 6: rubs the more skeptical types of brains the wrong way immediately.
Speaker 6: It's just like I know for a fact, it's like, dude,
Speaker 6: we don't do no is something here we do have
Speaker 6: and so so there's a there's a big, big difference
Speaker 6: in thinking, and and then that that lends itself to
Speaker 6: that same hole, to that to the mind fuckery again,
Speaker 6: where now it's they paint you always conspiracy theorists, and
Speaker 6: they're not gonna show you as like having a discussion
Speaker 6: about different you know, the cabal or any of these
Speaker 6: any of these more complicated actual ideas that have some esoteric,
Speaker 6: you know, lineage. Instead, they're gonna show a bunch of
Speaker 6: people skinny dipping it the memony or fucking hanging out
Speaker 6: in the pyramid meditating, and then they're gonna laugh at it, right,
Speaker 6: They're gonna put it in the most humorous light possible.
Speaker 6: So when it ended up with a spot where unfortunately,
Speaker 6: the vast majority of this stuff, that stuff just doesn't
Speaker 6: get treated even remotely as viable or as reasonable. And
Speaker 6: I mean, it is hard to be empirical or to
Speaker 6: be data driven when it comes to that sort of thing.
Speaker 6: But I always circle back to Carl Sagan, man, because
Speaker 6: that dude was fucking brilliant we came to that stuff.
Speaker 6: You watch the movie Contact or read the book, and
Speaker 6: most people seen the movie and not read the book.
Speaker 6: But when Jodie Foster at the end she goes through
Speaker 6: the little ball and sees her dad and talks to
Speaker 6: the alien out in space and all that shit, and
Speaker 6: it was just a few seconds of her, you know,
Speaker 6: has split second of her falling, and the only evidence
Speaker 6: is the you know, grainy, staticky footage that goes on
Speaker 6: and on and on, which could well just be a
Speaker 6: computer glitch of some sort of technological bug. Basically, she
Speaker 6: has a trust me bro and all that evidence driven,
Speaker 6: faith based shit. At the end of the day, you
Speaker 6: don't like my personal experience, you don't believe me hopping
Speaker 6: the fucking ball, and go yourself or don't up to you,
Speaker 6: man said, I love the fact that Sagan realized that
Speaker 6: we are.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 6: We are yes. The way forward to learning things is
Speaker 6: generally speaking, evidence driven and stuff. This is how we
Speaker 6: eliminate outliers and people's opinions become We can reconcile the
Speaker 6: ones that are accurate and the ones that aren't. But
Speaker 6: if we don't keep that core of humanity, you know,
Speaker 6: think about all the horror stories of AI and how
Speaker 6: it always revolves around it just not having that emotional
Speaker 6: core that we can't really quite put our finger on.
Speaker 6: But that's really it's just that pure cold logic scares
Speaker 6: the fuck out of us. For a reason. We know
Speaker 6: what it means.
Speaker 1: I've even noticed, I think with yourself, from the first
Speaker 1: time I met you, you seem to even be more open.
Speaker 1: I think it to the esoteric being looked at with
Speaker 1: some of this stuff.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's well, as I've done more and more
Speaker 6: and more research and seeing how a lot of these
Speaker 6: things get lumped in together. Like I'm having a hard
Speaker 6: time to remembering the guy's name. He did a lot
Speaker 6: of work on the twenty twelve Mayan prophecy thing, John
Speaker 6: Major Jenkins, John Major Jenkins, and he uh, he's he
Speaker 6: was like his work was maligned by John Hoops so bad,
Speaker 6: like horribly. They were basically made him out to be
Speaker 6: like this, he was predicting the end of the world
Speaker 6: based on the twenty twelve calendar thing, right, this is
Speaker 6: doomsday and that's not Ever, that's not what he said.
Speaker 6: He was talking about it change in like this, this
Speaker 6: esoteric spiritual thing that he personally believed was true. But
Speaker 6: the fact, I mean, it doesn't matter if you believe
Speaker 6: it's true or not, Like if the Mayans believed it's true.
Speaker 6: That's the research that you're doing, which goes into their
Speaker 6: research of esotericism. I mean, I've said this one a bunch.
Speaker 6: It's like when people are like, oh, these guys just
Speaker 6: run around eating mushrooms. When you look at these things
Speaker 6: and try to interpret stuff, it's like, you know, we
Speaker 6: know for a fact the guys that designed these fucking
Speaker 6: edifices were high as fuck on mushrooms. So you're gonna
Speaker 6: how are you gonna interpret it without him? Buddy, what
Speaker 6: fucking lens are you gonna use? It's gonna put you
Speaker 6: in that same where are you gonna find the machine nails?
Speaker 5: Right? Like?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So anyway, it's I do find that it should be.
Speaker 6: I do find that that hard line gets gets used
Speaker 6: too often to just push things out that don't deserve it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think that the esoteric is I think
Speaker 2: the term itself lends much to be understood, as in,
Speaker 2: it's a select few for a reason, and so for
Speaker 2: something like this to go mainstream, it will never do
Speaker 2: that because of consciousness of what my understanding actually hides
Speaker 2: itself for a reason, which is how you find truth.
Speaker 2: And why Hydroger is so important in his understanding of
Speaker 2: what he was trying to do with ancient philosophy with
Speaker 2: people like Parmennonides and Heraclitis, with the terms like what
Speaker 2: alahea means truth truth, then me he's using the term
Speaker 2: alathea because it means unconcealedness. You bring something into the
Speaker 2: clearing and it becomes unconcealed to you, and so it
Speaker 2: it then changes paradigms as you're as an individual, which
Speaker 2: is why only a select few are able to go
Speaker 2: through these things. And so it's really fascinating to me
Speaker 2: when the conversation is shut down, when first off, it
Speaker 2: needs to be understood that we can have an exoteric
Speaker 2: conversation or what we think the empirical evidence shows. But
Speaker 2: then amongst ourselves on chats like this or in our
Speaker 2: own little mystery schools and the darkness of our own homes,
Speaker 2: it's really important that we then can talk about the
Speaker 2: symbols and what the actual underpinning of the philosophical understanding
Speaker 2: of the Egyptians at that time, and what the Ossyrian
Speaker 2: mysteries actually meant, or what Aknat was trying to do
Speaker 2: when he changed things into a monotheistic culture through time.
Speaker 2: You know, there's just it's a fascinating thing. I think
Speaker 2: we forget esoteric means select few, I guess, is my
Speaker 2: main point, And that's a point to be understood, especially
Speaker 2: because I do follow the Gnostic and foremant a lot,
Speaker 2: and I think he's such a fascinating character because he
Speaker 2: himself forgets what nosis means. And nosis isn't for the masses.
Speaker 2: Nosis is for a select few who choose to dare,
Speaker 2: to will to know, and to remain silent in their actions.
Speaker 1: But you know what I think though, too, besides, like
Speaker 1: a select few, I think, if let's say I'm somewhat
Speaker 1: right on my experience, and if that's what's needed for
Speaker 1: a magical experience, nobody's gonna fucking go for that anyway.
Speaker 1: I'll go for an NDE sure, or like all flatliners,
Speaker 1: I'll do flatliners. Nobody would fucking do that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I mean that everybody's gonna not everybody's gonna get it anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very of what we're seeing with these ndis not
Speaker 2: even that. But then the psychedelic experience, which is having
Speaker 2: you go through a near death experience if you take
Speaker 2: enough right, if you take the heroic dosage as we're seeing,
Speaker 2: people can do that and still not understand it and get.
Speaker 7: Lost these experience.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting, like not even like I've taken psychedelics
Speaker 2: with people and I am the only one who made
Speaker 2: it out alive, and I'm not. I don't mean that physically,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people got left behind and then
Speaker 2: they didn't fall into the mystical and magical realms, And
Speaker 2: so again it's I think there's a lot more to
Speaker 2: be said about the metam psychosis, the transmigration of the soul,
Speaker 2: as Plato talks about through his understanding of what it
Speaker 2: takes to then practice and try to get back to
Speaker 2: these these things, which is then I think like these
Speaker 2: landmarks seem to be things that are there, so we
Speaker 2: can remember what it means to go into the dark
Speaker 2: night of the soul and try to transmute our experiences
Speaker 2: if we can read the symbols correctly.
Speaker 7: And so, I don't know. I think that's a it's a.
Speaker 2: Fascinating topic and we I think it's only an infinite
Speaker 2: regression of a conversation if we're trying to continually see
Speaker 2: things through and like only empirical concrete lens.
Speaker 7: But myself, that's myself.
Speaker 6: Well, we definitely thinks outside of empiricism. Well, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, I was just gonna say one more thing before
Speaker 1: before I was going to turn it back to you, Dan,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: I do think, like a lot of Egyptian stuff, even
Speaker 1: like hieroglyphics are depicting this death isn't.
Speaker 7: Oh for sure, No, no, it is for sure.
Speaker 2: But then nikkeot's about what does death mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was thinking before when you said if
Speaker 1: we understood them that death better through their eyes, I
Speaker 1: think that would make a huge difference. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that, and I agree, and that's why
Speaker 2: things like Thoth the threat, and like Hermes.
Speaker 7: The thrice great. Well, why is he thrice great?
Speaker 2: Because he was born and he died and then was
Speaker 2: reborn again and and then you know, and so it's
Speaker 2: like the Then my understanding of what is going on,
Speaker 2: and like say the Great Pyramid in these different things
Speaker 2: is that you're simulating death either physically or psychologically and spiritually.
Speaker 2: And so it's not to die actually of this eat suit,
Speaker 2: but it's to make sure that you go through a
Speaker 2: psychological death rebirth.
Speaker 7: And and then you can lift.
Speaker 2: Yourself into a higher state of consciousness and and and
Speaker 2: sacrifice your old self for the new self, this new
Speaker 2: priest king, that filthy type of ideal. Personally, that's how
Speaker 2: I see it, at least, I mean, because because if
Speaker 2: you die of the physical body, you you have to
Speaker 2: redo it type of thing, and so not everybody can
Speaker 2: make the nd back into the body and then continue
Speaker 2: to use this. I'd rather not be reborn as a baby.
Speaker 2: I like my body, so I want to continue.
Speaker 6: You know, like now where this where this like you're
Speaker 6: putting your finger directly on the reason that science has
Speaker 6: a real problem with it, like uh like with esotericism,
Speaker 6: because as soon as you get into like the just
Speaker 6: how do you put it, like this, uh, inherent belief
Speaker 6: in the soul, right, inherent belief in some form of
Speaker 6: more than us to meet. Most scientists are going to
Speaker 6: reject that on a fundamental level, right, They're going to
Speaker 6: say that our brain is the seed of a consciousness.
Speaker 6: And so with that in mind, it becomes really difficult.
Speaker 6: It's like, well, let's put in these tests to uh,
Speaker 6: to test and see if the pyramid does raise consciousness.
Speaker 6: Then they're immediately they're laughing at this. It's like this
Speaker 6: to them, it's not even worth doing. And so we
Speaker 6: end up in a spot where and then the people
Speaker 6: that are going that are interested in it, by and
Speaker 6: large aren't going to follow the scientific process. And this
Speaker 6: is like psychology. It's going to be self reported, right,
Speaker 6: and we have problems with self reporting, Like I doubt
Speaker 6: the people that visited that island told their strengths that
Speaker 6: they have this thing for kids, but this is you know,
Speaker 6: the fucking so the numbers weren't right, right, So that's good.
Speaker 6: So self reporting is problematic, But at the same time
Speaker 6: they're at the same time, there's order to the human
Speaker 6: condition than just simply you know, being logical beings. Again,
Speaker 6: it's horrible if you think about that, just just being
Speaker 6: purely logical and stuff. So it is to me it's
Speaker 6: worth looking into these things from other angles and other perspectives.
Speaker 6: But I guess the best way of putting it is
Speaker 6: that quote from what's that dude that wrote all that
Speaker 6: calic cthulhu shit? Uh? Yeah, HP Lovecrafts. He's got that
Speaker 6: quote that says, I don't need to believe in Santa Claus.
Speaker 6: You know that people exchange gifts on December twenty fifth.
Speaker 6: It's like, I don't I don't need to believe that
Speaker 6: the ancient Egyptians had anything going on with all of
Speaker 6: their beliefs and spiritual stuff to study it. You don't
Speaker 6: have to be a Christian to be a theologian. Right, So.
Speaker 4: Ritual artifact, right, that's the term that they use all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 6: What does that mean DHS types will be ritual artifacts
Speaker 6: in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Isn't it fascinating how we don't want to look at
Speaker 2: the lens of the things like this, not not we,
Speaker 2: but like the great We doesn't want to look at
Speaker 2: the Sphinx and the Pyramids from the lens of what
Speaker 2: the mythologies are telling us that the Egyptians believed, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, why not understand it that they believe that
Speaker 2: there was life after death and not even that that
Speaker 2: that that they thought that life after death was more
Speaker 2: real than this life. Which is why Plato talked about
Speaker 2: the forums being just what they were, because he himself
Speaker 2: we went there and studied with the priest craft of
Speaker 2: that time, went through the mystery schools, which were.
Speaker 7: Not out in the open because of it was it
Speaker 7: was going into a dark.
Speaker 6: Period years to even get in exactly.
Speaker 2: And so it's like, why are we trying to view
Speaker 2: it through a scientific materialist lens when that's not how
Speaker 2: those things were created in the first place.
Speaker 6: That's it's a it's a very real, very steady problem
Speaker 6: that you've seen with archaeology for forever. You know. I
Speaker 6: did a video on the East Winacchi Cloves site, which
Speaker 6: is the it's got a bunch of really big clothes
Speaker 6: points and they're like expensive ones, and they were all
Speaker 6: reburied and put back in the ground, and that the
Speaker 6: whole deal with that site. The Native Americans and the
Speaker 6: archaeologists are squaring off. The archaeologists are like, hey, man,
Speaker 6: this is something from you know, ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 6: This could tell us a lot about how people, how
Speaker 6: the people came to the Americas and stuff. And then
Speaker 6: you've got the Native American guy going, buddy, we came
Speaker 6: there's a newspaper articles with it. Buddy, we came out
Speaker 6: of the fucking caves. We don't need you guys to
Speaker 6: tell us about our history, about our past. We know
Speaker 6: where we came from. And this is bullshit. Get out
Speaker 6: of our backyard, you get. Archaeology is very much has
Speaker 6: always had this just inherent skepticism of mythology all across
Speaker 6: the board. It's just like that there is no myths
Speaker 6: do not contain a kernel of truth, kind of of attitude.
Speaker 6: It's like, which is so nice, which is so nonsense?
Speaker 6: But but I do get where you know, like, if
Speaker 6: say you're studying the arc of the Covenant, I can
Speaker 6: understand why somebody studying that is a lot more skeptical
Speaker 6: of the claim of it having bred from heaven or
Speaker 6: taking down the walls of Jericho than they are of
Speaker 6: it being made out of wood and gold. Right, so
Speaker 6: and so I get. But there's that's one of the
Speaker 6: things again I like about Matt he's always assigning things probability.
Speaker 6: He's like, I'm not sure about this. I'm not sure
Speaker 6: about that, but I give it's like a one percent chance,
Speaker 6: which is what he gave the Sphinx. By the way,
Speaker 6: Matt Bell, the guy that interviewed Philippo on the second Sphinx,
Speaker 6: he gives it about a one percent chance of being
Speaker 6: a real But anyway, I think that I think that
Speaker 6: the there's a very frustrating reality that of human psyche
Speaker 6: is separating itself and looking at other people with a
Speaker 6: lot of disdain. Nowadays, and you know, we got where
Speaker 6: we are conquering the planet using what we bring to
Speaker 6: the table as a as a community. And a great
Speaker 6: example of this that I like to use a lot
Speaker 6: is when Albert Einstein came up with the theory of
Speaker 6: relativity equals mc square, and about nine years later or so,
Speaker 6: he has a quote saying, I can barely understand the
Speaker 6: theory of relativity anymore now that the mathematicians have gotten
Speaker 6: hold of it. Equals mc square doesn't want split the atom.
Speaker 6: It's it's the basis. It's a foundation. But it took
Speaker 6: a whole lot more fucking work to get there. You
Speaker 6: had a dreamer. That was good, he's smart. But you
Speaker 6: also had the methodical cocksucker that's just in there. Nope,
Speaker 6: that won't work. That won't work. No, mo, fuck you.
Speaker 6: And at the end of the day you wind up
Speaker 6: these two can work together. How do we get the
Speaker 6: carbon dating on the Great Pyramids done? The Edgar Casey
Speaker 6: Foundation that wanted to see a ten thousand year old
Speaker 6: thing hired a couple of Egyptologists, fucking Zahi jas and
Speaker 6: Mark Wenner, the two biggest skeptics on the planet. Right,
Speaker 6: put them. They married together. At the end of the
Speaker 6: day we got new data. Now they's pissed all over
Speaker 6: it afterwards. But again that goes back to this just
Speaker 6: give them an inch, we'll take a mile kind of
Speaker 6: mentality that's taken over discourse ever since social media that
Speaker 6: became a thing.
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's a different angle. What if back to
Speaker 4: the whole idea of esotericism. What if these symbols do
Speaker 4: represent a type of power structure, And unless you've got
Speaker 4: the symbols in place, that power structure becomes in question.
Speaker 4: So we're constantly looking at this from outside and not
Speaker 4: understanding what these symbols really mean to the inner core
Speaker 4: of the esotericists. Meanwhile, you know, there might have been
Speaker 4: a whole different head on top of that that Sphinx,
Speaker 4: you know, thousands of years ago, and what did that
Speaker 4: mean to them versus what this new one means now?
Speaker 4: So you know, we don't really have the keys. But
Speaker 4: I think that that could be part of why things
Speaker 4: haven't changed in so many years is because it kind
Speaker 4: of represents a lineage almost.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't argue with that. Yeah, that's it's, you know, uh,
Speaker 6: overturning the work of your of your forefathers in these
Speaker 6: regards to something that you can't do if you're not
Speaker 6: in the field.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: But you can. But they're not gonna like it, and
Speaker 6: so you know it's up to them to rEFInd things.
Speaker 6: I mean, I get it all the time because I
Speaker 6: challenge these dudes. I get it all the time in
Speaker 6: my comments. What are your credentials? What are your credentials?
Speaker 6: It fucking I can read a book, and I can
Speaker 6: read a paper, and I can do basic math. I mean,
Speaker 6: what more do you want? I mean, this is all
Speaker 6: that you have to do to evaluate these things. It's
Speaker 6: not like they're written in jargon. Nobody can comprehend I
Speaker 6: got Google right here. If I don't know what works
Speaker 6: because I'm too dumb, I'll press a button and find out. Fuck,
Speaker 6: it's not complicated, but they don't want you to it's honestly. So.
Speaker 6: One of the funniest things about social media is it
Speaker 6: really has pulled back the veil on science. Not science
Speaker 6: itself so much as the scientists, but it shows that
Speaker 6: you the body's got a problem because the individual cells
Speaker 6: are often corrupt and it depends on the field of study.
Speaker 6: But archaeology, I mean, archaeology started out because a bunch
Speaker 6: of dudes that collected artifacts wanted a way to catalog them.
Speaker 6: It's like if they were collected a bunch of video games,
Speaker 6: they want to know which one came out first and
Speaker 6: which variants went where, and so they start doing all
Speaker 6: their research. And that's where archaeology came from. They wanted
Speaker 6: to know which base went where on the timeline, who
Speaker 6: made what, And that's the origins and even one hundred
Speaker 6: years ago they were running around looting the shit out
Speaker 6: of Native American stuff to no end. And it it's
Speaker 6: actually done like in some ways cultural damage. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's the kind of thing that always happens but for
Speaker 6: it to happen at the hands of the people that
Speaker 6: are claiming to be safeguarding it is ridiculous. Like the
Speaker 6: Kachina dolls, for example, are a Navajo thing where they
Speaker 6: make those, and the old ones were very esoteric, they
Speaker 6: were symbolic, they were they represented specific gods, and they
Speaker 6: were used for specific purposes. But then all these white
Speaker 6: dudes start buying them up and all these poor noble savages,
Speaker 6: Oh my god, And next thing you know, it's fucking
Speaker 6: katina do alls look like a warhammer forty thousand miniature,
Speaker 6: but just scaled up. They're all painted and detailed and
Speaker 6: all this they're made to go on a white dude's
Speaker 6: self and ain't ain't gotten fuckahol to do with the
Speaker 6: original purpose anymore. And that again, this happens all the time,
Speaker 6: but these more than god damn archaeologists do it at
Speaker 6: the anthropologists, the people whose job it is to safeguard it.
Speaker 6: So this is so frustratingly. They are trying so hard
Speaker 6: to represent themselves as a science and to portray themselves
Speaker 6: as a legit field to study, because they know what
Speaker 6: they really are as a bunch of fucking collectors, and
Speaker 6: that are just trying to we have historians. Historians aren't
Speaker 6: so stupid as to try to call themselves scientists. They
Speaker 6: both use artifacts, they both cite carbon dating and all
Speaker 6: kinds of different science. Historians are not dumbasses, and they
Speaker 6: don't say all, we're scientists because they know better. Fucking
Speaker 6: archaeologist this puts on a sombrero or a fucking fenora.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, yeah, scientists is bullshit. They lark and
Speaker 6: they know it and they hate it. They're well aware
Speaker 6: of it. Deepe security, you project right, if this is
Speaker 6: why the racism thing comes up all the time, they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: this guy from eighteen eighty was racist and he was
Speaker 6: a white supremacist. It's like, yeah, like all the dudes
Speaker 6: in eighteen eighty were fucking white supremacists. I don't know
Speaker 6: what to tell you. What were the archaeologists doing in
Speaker 6: eighteen eighty, or you can look at what they're up
Speaker 6: to today. You've got NAGPRA violations all over the places,
Speaker 6: Like these guys are supposed to have repatriated bones thirty
Speaker 6: five years ago and they still got them. Dartmouth University
Speaker 6: they got in trouble a few years ago for using
Speaker 6: Native American bones as teaching aids in class, ones that
Speaker 6: were supposed to not even be in their hands anymore,
Speaker 6: and they're not just like got them on a shelf somewhere.
Speaker 6: Some dudes like, hey, check out the actual fuck. So
Speaker 6: tell me how how terrible we are because some dude
Speaker 6: a hundred years ago said some ship. It's like, dude,
Speaker 6: this is that proverbial thing Jesus said about you take
Speaker 6: the damn telephone, pull outs your eye and then come
Speaker 6: take the speck out of mind, but fix your own
Speaker 6: clean your fucking house, bud. Absolutely, Yeah, I just quoted
Speaker 6: Jesus and said fuck at the same time.
Speaker 1: That's all right, it's the show.
Speaker 6: Hey, I want to say thanks to Nick for gifted
Speaker 6: out about of the channel memberships. You said, thank you,
Speaker 6: very nice one.
Speaker 1: What was that spot that the headless you brought up before,
Speaker 1: uh the stuff? Yeah, yeah, I want to get back
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So you got the bet pyramid right, and then
Speaker 4: in front of that supposedly is this massive underground labyrinth
Speaker 4: complex and you know it played a huge role in
Speaker 4: agent classical history. And I guess they're they some sort
Speaker 4: of scans that showed that there was an underground complex
Speaker 4: there and they're not excavating. I heard that it was
Speaker 4: specifically because it was flooded out because of the dam,
Speaker 4: but I don't know if that's true or not. But
Speaker 4: you know, even if it was, you could pump that
Speaker 4: water out and still find out all these keys to
Speaker 4: the ancient world. But you know, it wasn't just the
Speaker 4: Huara underground complex that had a death penalty associated with
Speaker 4: revealing the secrets there. It was also the Yelluciti of
Speaker 4: mystery schools. So we're talking about on earthing stuff from
Speaker 4: ancient Western history that comes along with, you know, death
Speaker 4: if you reveal it. So there could be a lot
Speaker 4: of that sort of same power dynamics surviving in the West,
Speaker 4: and you know it could be at these conferences too,
Speaker 4: who knows.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the uh you know Akusco the labyrinth that they
Speaker 6: just found, you know that they've known about this for
Speaker 6: over one hundred years. They shit on a scientist about
Speaker 6: twenty years ago, a scientists because he was attached to
Speaker 6: the Catholic Church and he was coming in saying, hey,
Speaker 6: there's a labyrinth under there. We found it with this
Speaker 6: ground printer training radar. They told him he was crazy.
Speaker 6: Brian Forrester's got videos of it from ten years ago.
Speaker 6: You you can go, you could go fifty years ago
Speaker 6: and hire a guide for you two bucks, and he'd
Speaker 6: run year round under the place, right. It was well
Speaker 6: documented by Garcelasso de la Vega. I'm sure I pronounced
Speaker 6: that name perfectly. He was the Spanish Inca guy, was
Speaker 6: like a descendant of an inc and royalty mom and
Speaker 6: a Spanish conquista door father. And so his accounts are
Speaker 6: the best best that we have from that time. And
Speaker 6: he describes the tunnels as like so scary that people
Speaker 6: tie a rope to go in and they're frightening. Well,
Speaker 6: it takes one hundred years, after five hundred years from
Speaker 6: them before we finally find him. And then you know,
Speaker 6: twenty years after, one scientist is screaming, here they are
Speaker 6: mainstream academy is like, okay, yeah, right here they are.
Speaker 6: I mean, I maybe I'm skeptical, or maybe I'm just cynical,
Speaker 6: but there ain't no fucking way they were just stealing
Speaker 6: shit either. They were looting it, taking every goddamn thing
Speaker 6: that ain't nailed down, anything that might be interesting. Run
Speaker 6: metal detectors through there, the whole nine yards and then
Speaker 6: they're like, okay, yeah, open to the public. We've got
Speaker 6: every every shred of everything. Knock yourselves out. Check out
Speaker 6: this cool tunnel. Let's get some more money. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean those cover ups like with Parrakas, you know, the
Speaker 6: skulls down there. Rockefeller bought four of them in the thirties,
Speaker 6: paid forty thousand dollars, and he displayed them in the MET.
Speaker 6: He displayed them in the National History Museum in New
Speaker 6: York City, and he repatriated them apparently to Peru later on.
Speaker 6: And well, the proving government they don't know which ones
Speaker 6: they are, you know, they just we just jumble fuck
Speaker 6: those in with the rest of the skulls. Who knows
Speaker 6: photographs of them being displayed in the MET or the
Speaker 6: National History Museum are non existed. Photographs of those skulls
Speaker 6: are non exists. Is that you can't see when there's
Speaker 6: like six hundred or so bundles, if memory serves down
Speaker 6: in Peru, of these graves with elongated skulls, these grave bundles,
Speaker 6: Rockefeller cherry picked four. Those are the four I want
Speaker 6: to see. Those are the four I can't see. And
Speaker 6: they're trying just the idea that they were jumbled back
Speaker 6: in with the rest is bullshit. I think what happened
Speaker 6: was they never left New York City. They probably just
Speaker 6: ended up in another collector's hands, like Rockefeller's like, we're gonna
Speaker 6: repatriate these, and sty're just like send them, or maybe
Speaker 6: Rockefeller just fucking kept them and pretended that one way
Speaker 6: or another. There's some fuckery going on. And this happens
Speaker 6: so often with just anything that's interesting or cool. When
Speaker 6: he really gets to the point where you're like, I
Speaker 6: wonder what's going on with that? Sorry, can't can't look
Speaker 6: a second time, buddy, nothing to see here. Even the
Speaker 6: cocaine mummies, they won't let anybody access him a second time.
Speaker 6: It's like this, So you end up with the skeptics.
Speaker 6: You're going, well, you know, if they won't let us
Speaker 6: look a second time, God damn it. Everything very true
Speaker 6: and it's gone.
Speaker 4: You know, it's that old meme. But it seems like
Speaker 4: any supernatural object gets treated with supernatural irresponsibility, like how
Speaker 4: could you be that stupid? Well maybe that was the
Speaker 4: point exactly. It's so it's so frustrating too. You see,
Speaker 4: the more like can say, the more supernatural it is,
Speaker 4: the less likely it is to be treated with any
Speaker 4: sort of actual reverence or anything cool at all. It's
Speaker 4: it's frustrating, but it is. It's indicative of the kind
Speaker 4: of the kind of way they look at I mean
Speaker 4: the term pyramidy, which I love that term, but it's
Speaker 4: you know, it's very insulting, and it's it's old.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: It's been around for like one hundred years. They call
Speaker 6: the people pyramid in a very long time, so they
Speaker 6: don't again, we got those to go back to the
Speaker 6: Einstein metaphor, we got our dreamers and our skeptics are
Speaker 6: no longer holding hands and seeing kumbaya in any meanful
Speaker 6: sense at all. And so this is humanity basically cutting
Speaker 6: its brain and half. It's like, ah, well, fucking let
Speaker 6: the art. Let the artists do their thing, and let
Speaker 6: the skeptics do there is And it's like, well, that's
Speaker 6: not how we conquered this planet, is it. That's not
Speaker 6: how we got mantled the moon? Is it? We had
Speaker 6: some dreamers like fucking you will be cool. We put
Speaker 6: some dumb mess up on that rock, and then he
Speaker 6: get skeptics like a fuck me, really, this is what
Speaker 6: I got to figure out now.
Speaker 4: Okay, right, right, But you know that that's sort of
Speaker 4: the goal is if you could limit the imagination, then
Speaker 4: you don't have to go out there and dig this
Speaker 4: stuff up, and you don't have to question these long
Speaker 4: held beliefs and all the rest of the stuff. It
Speaker 4: sort of bolsters the power structure as it sits in
Speaker 4: place today. So I think your work with the the
Speaker 4: elongated skulls from up and up in the north or
Speaker 4: northwest was really fascinating. I remember watching your presentation at
Speaker 4: that conference, just sitting on the edge of my seat.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I had no idea they had elongated skulls
Speaker 4: up there. I'm sure everybodybody else doesn't either. But you know,
Speaker 4: this was like a widespread Pacific rim type, you know,
Speaker 4: all the way up and down the coast. They had
Speaker 4: this sort of headbinding or elongated school tradition.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was all around the coast. And that's
Speaker 6: this is being removed from history right now too. Like
Speaker 6: I think I've got them volunte here and pull them up.
Speaker 6: They they have, They've they straight up. I've deleted a
Speaker 6: lot of these the map side of these things. On
Speaker 6: the maps, they are deleting the things as we speak.
Speaker 6: Basically it's happening in real time, and it's really frustrating
Speaker 6: because sorry, I'm trying to find us at the same time,
Speaker 6: it's like if you look for uh, maybe I don't
Speaker 6: have it on my desktop. Sorry, if you here's one, yes, okay,
Speaker 6: this right here is a more modern one. This This
Speaker 6: is a map of the distribute of artificial cranial deformation.
Speaker 6: And this was done. That map right there was done
Speaker 6: in like twenty sixteen. And as you can see, the
Speaker 6: people here of the Americas is that red line. All
Speaker 6: those orange spots are places where artificial cranial deformation is
Speaker 6: a thing, right And this map is like way, way,
Speaker 6: way less detailed than the one from nineteen thirty six
Speaker 6: or so so much so much less detail. And this
Speaker 6: happens like Hawaii, for example. On that one's been removed
Speaker 6: where Hawaii is well known. I mean, if you can
Speaker 6: Google it right now and they'll tell you that Hawaii
Speaker 6: is one of the places that you'll find elongated skulls from. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't have the other one on my desktop right now. Sorry.
Speaker 6: Nui is another one where if you look at the
Speaker 6: island of Nui, it's considered you look at on Google
Speaker 6: and it'll say, oh no, there is no elongated schools
Speaker 6: that it'll have ever been on the island of NEWI.
Speaker 6: But then if you like start doing some reading and stuff,
Speaker 6: you'll find out that not only were there elongated skulls,
Speaker 6: there there was one that was ninety six percent as
Speaker 6: wide as it is tall, which I mean, that's some
Speaker 6: Stewie Griffith looking shit right there to think about it.
Speaker 6: No pictures of it available, no pictures at all. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure I got it's it's insane. It's like
Speaker 6: it's insane. Just how yeah, Okay, here's the here we
Speaker 6: got the island of NEWI where it says that we
Speaker 6: do this is a school at n c I of
Speaker 6: ninety six point three is the percentage basically ninety six
Speaker 6: percent as wide as it is tall. And if you
Speaker 6: go and look through uh, go on Gemini and look
Speaker 6: on there, well you'll find that there is no artificially
Speaker 6: modified still coming from NEWI. And if you take it,
Speaker 6: any reason is it's not crawling that page. But if
Speaker 6: you take take a screenshot of that of that page
Speaker 6: and then put it on your phone and your fucking phones,
Speaker 6: I all crawl it. Just fine. It's this is, and
Speaker 6: it's the maps are being reduced, the amount of people
Speaker 6: the places where it's happened is being reduced. The Internet's
Speaker 6: slowly erasing these things, and access to photographs or even
Speaker 6: drawings are gone. And it's it's it's it's fuckery. I mean,
Speaker 6: also put it you look at how how widespread it
Speaker 6: was all across the coastal regions. It's like, well, gee,
Speaker 6: ancient seafaring civilization anyone. I mean, it's it seems so
Speaker 6: so patently obvious, and that's why they have to And
Speaker 6: I don't know why they care. I really don't know
Speaker 6: why they care that much about some ancient skulls, but
Speaker 6: they sure as fuck do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think it is with the Obviously
Speaker 1: something with location. If it's always on the coast, right, I.
Speaker 6: Think it was. I mean that, yeah, it's they were
Speaker 6: in contact. That would be the first thing, right, something
Speaker 6: bump around the coast. I mean, if you bump around
Speaker 6: the coast of the world, it's not going to be
Speaker 6: that hard to circumnavigate the globe. Besides fighting with people
Speaker 6: along the way. It's if you stay on the coast,
Speaker 6: you knew all right for the most part.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's how they think to the America is if
Speaker 6: you've ever heard of the Kelp Highway hypothesis, it's basically
Speaker 6: that they came instead of crossing the burying land bridge
Speaker 6: to get to the America's, they just jumped down on
Speaker 6: the coast with boats. And that's why you've got stuff
Speaker 6: down in New Mexico through thirty thousand years old, in
Speaker 6: South America thirty thousand years ago, because it's a lot
Speaker 6: easier to travel by boat than it is overland. So
Speaker 6: what would have taken thousands of years by overland migration
Speaker 6: could be done in twenty years. Your boat.
Speaker 1: Is absolutely anything else that the only one gated skills
Speaker 1: that you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's the amount of the amount of structures that
Speaker 6: you see alongside of them is quite often compelling. It
Speaker 6: it's telling. It's like you see these megalithic architecture quite often,
Speaker 6: not always, but quite often in places where they are,
Speaker 6: and then you get up to the Americas and you
Speaker 6: don't see those megaliths, but there is there's rumors. Man.
Speaker 6: You talk to the old timers around here and they
Speaker 6: tell you stories that their dads told them and stuff
Speaker 6: and there's all kinds of goofy things that I'm going
Speaker 6: to go check it out, Like one area for sure.
Speaker 6: There are three areas that I might be that I
Speaker 6: want to have access to you next time I go.
Speaker 6: One of them is an area where it looks like
Speaker 6: there was an old structure and stuff. Local paintings and
Speaker 6: stuff show this structure, and then a Google satellite image
Speaker 6: shows that there's a square left there, so we're gonna
Speaker 6: go check that out. There's also supposedly a bunch of
Speaker 6: ancient tunnels under the town of Longview, So some of
Speaker 6: that it might just be people confusing, you know, infrastructure
Speaker 6: and bomb shelters, who knows so, but I've got potentially
Speaker 6: got access to those. So and then the one other
Speaker 6: thing that I'm going to check out next time I'm
Speaker 6: over there, which I'm so skeptical of, but we'll see
Speaker 6: if it pans out. Somebody's claiming that they know where
Speaker 6: Mel's Hole is. If any of you guys have ever
Speaker 6: heard of Mel's Hole, So every time anybody ever goes
Speaker 6: to look for it, they always come back say, fucking
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I can't I don't think it's real.
Speaker 6: So I'm going to go take a look. We'll see
Speaker 6: if this is just you know, somebody wants to get
Speaker 6: on my channel for fifteen minutes and then I'll have
Speaker 6: to dig a hole of shove them. And if that's
Speaker 6: the case, but it's not, I created it. What's your name,
Speaker 6: it's fucking Mel now because that's Mel's hole. But yeah,
Speaker 6: we'll see. And they are the megalithic stuff, the the
Speaker 6: the markings like a you guys probably know the condolabra
Speaker 6: of the andes that big big ground. Uh, it's a
Speaker 6: big it's like the Nosca lines, except the geoglyph there
Speaker 6: is a word. It looks like it looks like a condolabra,
Speaker 6: right and kind of like a burning steak. And uh,
Speaker 6: it's huge, and it's visible from about twelve miles out
Speaker 6: to sea, and it's like five miles from where those
Speaker 6: skulls were all located in Prague. So if if you
Speaker 6: assumed that there was connection between this culture that, like
Speaker 6: I showed you on the map where they could have
Speaker 6: been jumping all over the place, that condolabra is a
Speaker 6: pretty good, you know, old school kind of lighthouse. Hey, guys,
Speaker 6: put put park your park. Your weird skulled asses over
Speaker 6: here and we'll trade, right. So a lot of those
Speaker 6: kinds of things you end up I end up looking
Speaker 6: at and thinking that, you know, we have signs even
Speaker 6: now with DNA. It's so funny because when first of
Speaker 6: the first Ancient Apocalypse comes out, all the skeptics are like, well,
Speaker 6: you need DNA to prove any of this, And now
Speaker 6: it's like, Easter Island has DNA from South America, no question.
Speaker 6: There's Polynesian DNA in South America, and there's South America
Speaker 6: DNA and Polynesia. These guys knew each other. They might
Speaker 6: not know each other all the time, but they definitely
Speaker 6: were in contact enough that we can find traces of
Speaker 6: it today. So you know, we really need to look
Speaker 6: at things a lot differently. You know, thor Hairdahl was
Speaker 6: demonized for implying that there was a connection between South
Speaker 6: America and Easter Island, and now it's like that's standard archaeological,
Speaker 6: accepted scientific fact.
Speaker 5: It reminds me of something headless in Ricardo and I
Speaker 5: have been discussing, mainly Ricardo's direction on how that there's
Speaker 5: this massive amount of copper that couldn't have been mined
Speaker 5: from the Old world that had to seemingly one could
Speaker 5: deduce that there was so much copper that a lot
Speaker 5: of it had to have come from the New World,
Speaker 5: and that they've spent a lot of time hiding connections
Speaker 5: of seafaring groups, maybe because of the restriction on resources
Speaker 5: and the and the you know, benefit that one can
Speaker 5: get by having this knowledge of where to get the
Speaker 5: copper and so forth. So I wonder if that is
Speaker 5: maybe connected to maybe why they might want to eliminate
Speaker 5: the idea of seafaring groups.
Speaker 6: That may may well be it. Maybe that could well
Speaker 6: be associated the copper mining stuff. Is always interesting to
Speaker 6: me because it's one of those situations where you'll see
Speaker 6: them make all these estimates. You've got, you know, modern
Speaker 6: geologists that will make massive estimates on you know, what
Speaker 6: came out of the hole in the ground in YadA YadA.
Speaker 6: But then you start asking questions like how much copper
Speaker 6: and it's like, well, we don't know well enough to
Speaker 6: say whether or not and how much copper came out
Speaker 6: of the New World. We don't really know enough to
Speaker 6: say a whole lot, and they get really vague with it.
Speaker 6: Because I looked into that when I did my video
Speaker 6: on the copper culture, and I was surprised that, like
Speaker 6: the debunking of it is pretty much non existent. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's but it is super weak and there's a real
Speaker 6: problem there. It's like some of those some of those artifacts,
Speaker 6: to me, like when I look at some of those artifacts,
Speaker 6: I see clear uh like meso American influence, and that's
Speaker 6: accepted in certain parts, Like you go down to the south,
Speaker 6: they'll say, oh, yeah, these ones are probably part of
Speaker 6: West Virginia, and those mounds, oh yeah, these were probably
Speaker 6: part of you know, influenced by meso American stuff. And
Speaker 6: then it's like, okay, but you look at the similarities
Speaker 6: between this conical mound where they buried a bunch of
Speaker 6: dudes in it was one central burial like of royalty,
Speaker 6: then like the Mexican pyramids, which they'll tell you were
Speaker 6: ceremonial centers, but most of them also had one royal
Speaker 6: burial in the center of them, and then in the
Speaker 6: Old World where a lot of the pyramids were used
Speaker 6: for burials as well. It's like, I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 6: can say that pyramids are just the easiest way to
Speaker 6: stack rocks, but why is it that everybody wants to
Speaker 6: stack rocks on top of their body instead of burying
Speaker 6: it underneath or it gets, it gets and attached to
Speaker 6: very specific ideas about the soul. They return to what
Speaker 6: Brandon would say, which again is why I think the
Speaker 6: esoteric stuff has value even if you don't believe in
Speaker 6: any of the spiritual aspects of it. You can see
Speaker 6: the connections. You can understand where somebody else is coming from.
Speaker 6: And these these connections are across the world's there is
Speaker 6: clear connections across the world in iconography and in ideology.
Speaker 6: So yeah, they don't want to deal with that. I
Speaker 6: don't know if it comes from old school races them
Speaker 6: and then they just like in the modern day, they
Speaker 6: just don't you know, they don't want to completely refine
Speaker 6: the old framework because I mean, if you read the
Speaker 6: papers from one hundred and fifty two hundred years ago,
Speaker 6: quite often there what's the evidence for this rock being
Speaker 6: from a Viking origin? Well, dumb engine can't carve rock,
Speaker 6: That's the whole fucking argument. It's like, what the fuck
Speaker 6: these guys are here making arrowheads out of rock and
Speaker 6: you don't think they could scratch a line on one?
Speaker 6: What the fuck is wrong with you people? And that
Speaker 6: was so that's quite possible that that's where all this
Speaker 6: stuff came from. Of like this whole the idea of
Speaker 6: these people being separated, and they couldn't have possibly had giants.
Speaker 6: There are people taller than us. They couldn't have possibly
Speaker 6: have helped inform the Bronze Age. Are you kidding? These
Speaker 6: guys were over there and butt flaps we were having
Speaker 6: the Bronze Age. They're backwards, so there are heathens. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I thought that's quite possible.
Speaker 4: I think if you look at the formation of the
Speaker 4: country and you look at how obsessed the founding others
Speaker 4: were with mounds, digging them up, finding artifacts within them,
Speaker 4: and then when we find, oh, a farmer dug one
Speaker 4: up and it's got this certificate of ownership in the
Speaker 4: middle of this mound. So you know, if you look
Speaker 4: at the Scythians and their burial grounds, that was their
Speaker 4: holy site, that was their holy property. And when you
Speaker 4: think of all of these mounds as being markers of
Speaker 4: holy property, then it gets into a real estate debate.
Speaker 4: And they don't want to have that real estate debate,
Speaker 4: so they're not digging these things up to find out
Speaker 4: what's really in them, because if you do that, you
Speaker 4: might find the owners and you don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: So you know they're not going to be passing on
Speaker 4: this land to anybody else, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they've destroyed the ones that they destroyed, like
Speaker 6: so many of them. It's ridiculous. Like Saint Louis was
Speaker 6: known as Mound City originally, and they just raised the ball,
Speaker 6: just flattened it all out. But by the time you
Speaker 6: get over here to the west coast, the when a
Speaker 6: lot of these places were being settled and stuff, in
Speaker 6: the early nineteen hundreds, a lot of these cities were
Speaker 6: being built, there was already laws against You couldn't just
Speaker 6: go in and destroy a Native American site like you
Speaker 6: could one hundred years before, even fifty years before. So
Speaker 6: a lot of these sites were protected. And as a
Speaker 6: result of that, it's one of those that disconnect that
Speaker 6: white collar folk often have from the blue collar world.
Speaker 6: Oh you know, we'll pass this law, and it's going
Speaker 6: to stop people from from, you know, destroying indigenous sites.
Speaker 6: It's like, no, it's going to facilitate it. I'll give
Speaker 6: you a perfect example. If you're I have a friend
Speaker 6: that worked in a mine in Tennessee, worked in a
Speaker 6: I think it was a coal mine even but he
Speaker 6: was told if he saw arrowheads, any artifacts, you just
Speaker 6: put in your fucking pocket and get it out of there,
Speaker 6: because they'll shut the whole goddamn operation down. So same
Speaker 6: kind of thing here. It's like there's areas where there's
Speaker 6: one spot that I Native Americans had about three thousand
Speaker 6: elongated skull burial on it when Lewis and Clark came through.
Speaker 6: Then a dude came through about ten years later, and
Speaker 6: when he came through, his men had a camping fire
Speaker 6: that accidentally burnt the place and he lost all those
Speaker 6: burials and stuff. They're just gone now. And then a
Speaker 6: gravel company slowly mined that thing away and nobody everybody
Speaker 6: was trying to buy it from him. They wouldn't sell.
Speaker 6: Oh we got this quality basalt here, and there's basalt
Speaker 6: all over the region. It's fallen off the hills, but
Speaker 6: they raised it all the way to the ground. And
Speaker 6: you can't even still go stand where that thing was now.
Speaker 6: And if you look at pictures of it, it looks
Speaker 6: kind of like gananng pudang, how it's like natural, but
Speaker 6: parts of it look artificial, like modified.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 6: Again, you know, I think that by the time people
Speaker 6: got over here and anything that they saw and that
Speaker 6: the laws were going to stand between them, we just
Speaker 6: get rid of it and then carry on. But you
Speaker 6: know that's one of those you know, I get you
Speaker 6: pass a lot. It's it's gonna change everything, right, no
Speaker 6: changes nothing. It actually makes it worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you add on to kind of what you
Speaker 2: guys are just saying about how they come in and
Speaker 2: they shut shit down when they find things like the
Speaker 2: arrowheads and things like that. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 2: you where I'm at, but what's nearby me is an
Speaker 2: area where they're create where they've dug a bunch of
Speaker 2: shit up, and they have found not only tons of old.
Speaker 7: Arrowheads, but they've also found.
Speaker 2: Old bison that are not only a fat like, not
Speaker 2: only like they're extinct and been extinct for thousands of
Speaker 2: years that they know of, as well as they've found
Speaker 2: old cooking sites and what is it called the hearth
Speaker 2: old hearths one of them is from a fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: years ago and the other one is from three thousand
Speaker 2: years ago that they've dated that back to.
Speaker 7: And what is it the Army rangers.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, the military, They come in and they
Speaker 2: took all that shit and they just left and they
Speaker 2: didn't bring it up to anybody in my area. And
Speaker 2: the reason I know about it is because I know
Speaker 2: how to make people talk. So it's one of those
Speaker 2: fascinating things to hear it said, and I'm all, like
Speaker 2: are you They're like, don't tell.
Speaker 7: Anybody, and so I'm like, I'm not telling anybody right now.
Speaker 2: But it's one of those fascinating things that it's like
Speaker 2: they'll just come in and just take it. And it's
Speaker 2: not even like a community can talk about these things
Speaker 2: to be all like, hey, we we think that you're
Speaker 2: taking this from like farmland and different lands, Like why
Speaker 2: the whole community should know that. Now you've found bison
Speaker 2: that are extinct in our area as well as arrowheads.
Speaker 7: And hold herd.
Speaker 2: It's not just one, but two that are multi like
Speaker 2: not just hundreds of year old, but thousands of years old,
Speaker 2: and then nobody knows about it. So like that's a
Speaker 2: small area that I live in. Extrapolate that to the
Speaker 2: fucking world, and now we understand that there's so much
Speaker 2: hidden shit that they're just taking and locking away to
Speaker 2: do what with I don't you know, like I have
Speaker 2: my own conspiracy theories on what they're doing with these
Speaker 2: things and why. But it's it's just I'm just adding
Speaker 2: to the conversation about I completely agree, and it's like
Speaker 2: arrowheads are one thing, but like herds and extinct bison
Speaker 2: that no one's talking about. It's it's fucking it. It
Speaker 2: makes me irate. And not only that, but then you
Speaker 2: can go into I've talked to these people that are
Speaker 2: around this area, that are working on this area, but
Speaker 2: add the skin walker ideas to this thing that people
Speaker 2: are seeing skin walkers, and this isn't just like white
Speaker 2: man sees skinwalker afraid, it's actual indigenous people around here
Speaker 2: who are working on these sites who are like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't They don't get out of their fucking cars
Speaker 2: and their pickups. They actually will only speak through their
Speaker 2: telephones because they've seen shit in these areas that they're
Speaker 2: unwilling to now get out of their vehicles at night
Speaker 2: in certain areas because of insert skinwalker here. And so
Speaker 2: it's the world is far stranger than anybody he ever
Speaker 2: wants to understand.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, here in the States, you know, if there's
Speaker 6: some if they find something that they want to cover
Speaker 6: up in the States, it's gotten a lot harder than
Speaker 6: it used to be because of the abiquity of phones
Speaker 6: and stuff. But you know, traditionally here in the States,
Speaker 6: the US Army Corps of Engineers or something, they come
Speaker 6: in and secret whatever it was way according to you
Speaker 6: know the reports. But that's the overseas Army, yeah, Corp
Speaker 6: of Engineers. Yeah, but you go over overseas to most
Speaker 6: of the places, or even here in South America, most
Speaker 6: of the places where the cool shit is are so
Speaker 6: fucking poor. I mean, if you look at what they
Speaker 6: bought the Dead Sea scrolls for, it's like basically cheaper
Speaker 6: than you could have bought a nuke for at the
Speaker 6: end of the Cold War, man, I mean, it was nothing,
Speaker 6: like nothing. And it's the same thing with Sir Flinders
Speaker 6: Petrie with he was he was buying so many artifacts
Speaker 6: that he started limiting himself to like thirty scarabs a
Speaker 6: year because he was buying His first year was like
Speaker 6: three thirteen hundred or something like that. People were just
Speaker 6: bringing them artifact. As soon as those dudes started showing
Speaker 6: up with money, and you got this poor third world
Speaker 6: country and a bunch of first world rich motherfuckers, they
Speaker 6: start throwing that money around it. Every single person that
Speaker 6: knew any place that any of these artifacts might have
Speaker 6: been started looking digging, and so provident Schmavenin's that's fucking toast.
Speaker 6: They just sold the stuff. And again, archaeologist are a
Speaker 6: bunch of fucking antiquitarians, that's really what they are. And
Speaker 6: this but yeah, so anyway, the secret stuff always easy
Speaker 6: to You know where the bad Dad battery is right now? Right?
Speaker 6: I mean neither it was stolen In two thousand and three,
Speaker 6: when the US Army comes in and kicks the shit
Speaker 6: out of Iraq, there was a I mean the rumor
Speaker 6: is a bunch of alphabet boys went into the museum.
Speaker 6: It was just like that's this, this, this and this,
Speaker 6: but who knows it very well could have been anybody.
Speaker 6: I mean, it doesn't even have to be a top
Speaker 6: down thing. All it would have had to have been
Speaker 6: was one rich dude say hey, I want the bag
Speaker 6: Dad battery and steal some other it too. So nobody
Speaker 6: knows exactly why, but just still you take all that.
Speaker 6: I'll give you one hundred grand, no problem.
Speaker 4: And a lot of ways, well I was gonna say,
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, the blue collar communities, and
Speaker 4: these poor communities don't realize how not standing up for
Speaker 4: these antiquities and actually getting their you know, transparency that
Speaker 4: they deserve leads to a lot more land management issues
Speaker 4: because once they can start getting away with just spiriting
Speaker 4: things away in the middle of the night, they're going
Speaker 4: to come for your land as well. They're going to
Speaker 4: do that to you guys as well. It's it's not
Speaker 4: just limited to the things you find in the ground,
Speaker 4: it's also the ground itself. And we're seeing massive pressures
Speaker 4: being put on rural communities based off of that reality.
Speaker 7: He nailed it headless.
Speaker 2: That's exactly attached to what I just saw talk about.
Speaker 2: In my area, they are doing that exact thing to
Speaker 2: a lot of old families that have lived on their
Speaker 2: rural farms for a very long time, and because of
Speaker 2: certain groups of individuals and families that have more money
Speaker 2: in the area want that land to do this thing. Now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like, oh no, we're actually
Speaker 2: going to buy that from.
Speaker 7: You, because you know what, you don't own it, because.
Speaker 2: That title deed of title is not actually applicable to
Speaker 2: actually owning this area, and we can take it whenever
Speaker 2: we want, and these families have gotten kicked out of
Speaker 2: their land just because of wanting to do whatever it
Speaker 2: is that they want to do in that area, you know,
Speaker 2: and then and then get federal grants because of it's
Speaker 2: going to make things better, you know whatever that means.
Speaker 6: Right, That's all that trees ended up on. Go Beckley
Speaker 6: Teppe was the guy they were taking. The government's like,
Speaker 6: we're going to buy your land, and he's like, oh shit, well,
Speaker 6: you know what they pay X dollars per acre for desert?
Speaker 6: You know how much they pay per orchard per acre
Speaker 6: for an orchard more plant some trees. Serious, That's exactly
Speaker 6: how it went down. And then then they have to
Speaker 6: turn around and root all the trees out. So yeah, man,
Speaker 6: it's it's you know, a lot of times these things
Speaker 6: have such like like people a lot of times look
Speaker 6: at these really like overarching influence things and stuff on it,
Speaker 6: and I understand why. But a lot of times the
Speaker 6: impact can be just like right in your face on
Speaker 6: a basic level. Like when I was in Scottsdale in December,
Speaker 6: we were one of the questions when I was on
Speaker 6: the panel with a bunch of guys from ancient Aliens
Speaker 6: and stuff and a bunch of cooler people than me.
Speaker 6: And the question is, why do you think that they
Speaker 6: haven't looked into that hidden chamber in the Great Pyramid.
Speaker 6: Why hasn't that been excavated yet? And the answers are
Speaker 6: that are coming before me was things like, you know,
Speaker 6: the government has already looted all the stuff out of there,
Speaker 6: They've already got the technology that there was to be taken, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 6: By the time it gets to me, I point out
Speaker 6: that Zahi ha Was said that you know that no
Speaker 6: matter what bad is happening in Egypt, to those new
Speaker 6: age people, they will come. He's talking about Arab spring
Speaker 6: and the loss of tourism revenue and how the pyramids
Speaker 6: just didn't give a fuck. They just kept showing up
Speaker 6: anyway if you they like. Worst case scenario potentially to
Speaker 6: him is if they open up that chamber and they
Speaker 6: find a body of a farrowh in there. Now, all
Speaker 6: those Atlantis bros Are not going to show up anymore
Speaker 6: in his mind, right, And so it's this goose that
Speaker 6: led to Golden egg scenario. This thing right now is
Speaker 6: making my country all kinds of fucking Almost ten percent
Speaker 6: of their GDP when things are going well. So yeah,
Speaker 6: you don't want to get why why threaten that goose?
Speaker 6: Just let it keep laying eggs, Just let it keep.
Speaker 4: Strategic strategic ambiguity. It's the best selling point in the world.
Speaker 6: It works. Oh man, sorry, my eyelash or something got
Speaker 6: in my eye. I know, I'm crying about stuff like
Speaker 6: I'm flinting dibble after the debate.
Speaker 7: That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fascinating how we're talking on these
Speaker 2: like small like small levels in big levels of like, uh,
Speaker 2: people taking things and not telling other people about it.
Speaker 2: But then you get on these massive levels. Just think
Speaker 2: about again, like you just said, what is all the
Speaker 2: shit that they're taking and not telling us about the Pyramids,
Speaker 2: about the Sphinx, about all these things, and then about
Speaker 2: what's going on with like, Okay, we're getting this information
Speaker 2: about these structures underneath the Sphinx and underneath the pyramids
Speaker 2: and these things, but it's all about what is in
Speaker 2: the unconscious mind of the human psyche is the same
Speaker 2: things what's in the unconscious mind of our history.
Speaker 7: And then where are these things going?
Speaker 2: We know the Vatican has massive archives, you know where
Speaker 2: most of the things went with the fall of the
Speaker 2: libraries of Alexandria as well as then when they went
Speaker 2: in their raid and the pyramids and the sphinxes, and
Speaker 2: so it's like it's a fallacy in and of itself
Speaker 2: to think that what we're getting is the truth, the
Speaker 2: whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So it's like,
Speaker 2: why is it so outrageous then to add the esoteric,
Speaker 2: the mythological and the symbolic understanding of these things. It's
Speaker 2: only outrageous because that then we have to change our
Speaker 2: society as a whole and how we understand how to
Speaker 2: live as a human because then they can't get us
Speaker 2: chasing in this bread and circus rat race about weapons
Speaker 2: of mass destruction here or there, and what the Somalis
Speaker 2: are doing, these pirates in these places. And you know,
Speaker 2: like all this bread and circuses is wild when it
Speaker 2: comes down to it that right now, Pallenteer is building
Speaker 2: a whole grid system around us, So then you don't
Speaker 2: ever ask these questions as a robot named Plato is
Speaker 2: going to teach our kids in all the schools, and
Speaker 2: so it's like this fascinating meta analysis of trying to
Speaker 2: understand what's going on in our ancient past when it's
Speaker 2: continually being rewritten at all times, It's like, I don't
Speaker 2: It's like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you said a lot of things there definitely are
Speaker 6: definitely seen our pastor written in real time. There's no
Speaker 6: question there. Again, the esoteric stuff can get a lot
Speaker 6: tougher to incorporate on a scientific level because you've got,
Speaker 6: you know, to use the classicist atheist argument is Who's
Speaker 6: God do we go with? Right? Like, if you if
Speaker 6: you take and ask five hundred people in our community
Speaker 6: what they think the pyramids were used for, you're gonna
Speaker 6: get about three hundred and fifty different answers. So coming
Speaker 6: in with a so we esoteric esoterica and similar, you know,
Speaker 6: anything that's that's spiritual is going to put itself in
Speaker 6: a spot that isn't you know, isn't falsifiable, isn't verifiable,
Speaker 6: and therefore will always be subjects to endless debates. Right,
Speaker 6: and that faith based thing again, it's like, so you're
Speaker 6: gonna have these guys are never going to want to
Speaker 6: invest in that. Now, as far as the bread and
Speaker 6: circuses shit goes, Yeah, I don't think and think that's
Speaker 6: ever gonna stop as long as humans are in a
Speaker 6: meat suit. It's part of the it's part of the
Speaker 6: human condition we are. We have this ability to see lofty,
Speaker 6: to dream of perfection and to imagine a world with
Speaker 6: no pain and no sin and no whatever. But then we,
Speaker 6: you know, go take a dump and have to eat
Speaker 6: something that used to walk and they man, she's kind
Speaker 6: of hot too. We do all these things that are
Speaker 6: just so basic that at the same time it's it's
Speaker 6: even it gets very difficult for humans to move past
Speaker 6: things like and and we're easily distracted, like all they
Speaker 6: have to do in order to demonize an entire movement,
Speaker 6: Like I mentioned it when I was on Rogan that
Speaker 6: you know how the Internet feeds feeds us the most interesting,
Speaker 6: the craziest stuff, the most outlandish. The transgender people that
Speaker 6: are working at Subway and just making a sandwich and
Speaker 6: just trying to get through their day. We don't ever
Speaker 6: hear about those with that transgender person that went into
Speaker 6: game stop kicking shit around screaming it's ma'am, well fucking
Speaker 6: all saw that. And so this is a real easy
Speaker 6: this it's easy sigh op shit, and it's never ever
Speaker 6: ever gonna stop. I mean as long as magicians can
Speaker 6: play slide of hand games. As long as that fucking
Speaker 6: free card moni works, this kind of shit is gonna
Speaker 6: be a problem, and even more so because we social
Speaker 6: media has made us fucking socially so so thick, and
Speaker 6: so it's this or it's that I can't. I had
Speaker 6: somebody tell me not to body shame people because I
Speaker 6: was calling Professor Dave Tubby. It's like, if you had
Speaker 6: the fucking words to come out of that man's mouth,
Speaker 6: that fat piece of shit. Fuck. Yeah, I'll call it
Speaker 6: way worse than that, but oh don't body shit. Was
Speaker 6: like that gives one size fits all rules.
Speaker 2: Great, yeah, yeah, And it goes down to myself. Is
Speaker 2: what I'm constantly trying to push. My propaganda that I'm
Speaker 2: trying to push is become your own magician, and that's
Speaker 2: the only way to counteract the sorcery of the dark ones.
Speaker 2: And I think that's exactly then what is being hidden
Speaker 2: the academic institution and the material scientific materialists is that
Speaker 2: we are our own magician, King lover warriors, and I
Speaker 2: think the big sigh ofp of this no King's nonsense
Speaker 2: that's going on, which I then also agree that the
Speaker 2: fucking global techno parasitic class are just that they're trying
Speaker 2: to raise themselves up as the higher Onunaki bloodline families.
Speaker 2: But the idea is that if instead of no kings,
Speaker 2: how about everyone become your own fucking king, everyone become
Speaker 2: your own queen. It's I don't exactly, Judith. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand this nonsense.
Speaker 7: I see. I want to figure out who's running.
Speaker 2: The Hermeticist pot the fucking website, because they're putting Alister
Speaker 2: Crowley's image with an image of no king, and of
Speaker 2: all fucking people, who's telling us to become kings, it's
Speaker 2: Alister fucking Croley. And so if this guy's watching right now,
Speaker 2: I hope he hears me and he can come at
Speaker 2: me whenever he wants, because that's fucking and you're changing
Speaker 2: history again and making people believe that some fucking, some
Speaker 2: fucking nonsense of cult movement which is being produced by
Speaker 2: the Walmart woman and these other old Ark technocrats are.
Speaker 7: Trying to push this somewhere. It's like, what the fuck
Speaker 7: is going on? And so sorry, I've been thinking about
Speaker 7: this a lot, so this does not tell.
Speaker 6: But I'm going to be doing it soon.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's like, if we all become warrior, magician kings,
Speaker 2: then nobody can rule over us and then we're all stars.
Speaker 7: That's like, I don't understand that.
Speaker 2: That's what the Egyptians of the world are trying to teach,
Speaker 2: and that's what the world trying to become pharaohs.
Speaker 1: Chief part of the yahe Vade formula, the king and
Speaker 1: the queen.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, exactly, And that's why it's esoteric.
Speaker 2: And that's why it's like they try to admonish us
Speaker 2: and then make the occult bad. It's nonsense, because the
Speaker 2: occult just means hidden, and this shit is hidden for
Speaker 2: a reason because it's put in the hands of the
Speaker 2: dark sorcerers and they don't want anyone else to know
Speaker 2: about it because if you know about it, and then
Speaker 2: you can't be controlled.
Speaker 6: But when it comes to to sorcery and magic, and
Speaker 6: that's some sort of stuff. There's one of my you guys,
Speaker 6: you guys recently see that fruitfly thing where they scanned
Speaker 6: the fruit fly's brain, they dumped it into the physics engine. Okay,
Speaker 6: so so that gets in the whole thing of you know,
Speaker 6: is this all is this all just a simulation. Are
Speaker 6: we all living in a simulation like this fruit Fly?
Speaker 6: And so here's here's my question. Here's here's my little weird,
Speaker 6: weird idea, is if we were if this is a simulation,
Speaker 6: it's been going on forever. You know, maybe magic was
Speaker 6: just a shitty like, maybe there was just some shitty
Speaker 6: patches that needed to be made, and you just if
Speaker 6: you like wiggled your finger in the right direction, jumped
Speaker 6: up and down, you can clip through the wall and
Speaker 6: fucking end the speed around of your video game Quicker.
Speaker 6: And so they've patched it over the years. We still
Speaker 6: have all these people telling us you got to do
Speaker 6: this stuff, but you just keep running into the wall
Speaker 6: now when you try. I could be wrong about that,
Speaker 6: but I mean, you don't know. You know, that fruit
Speaker 6: fly looked like he was fucking live in a pretty
Speaker 6: good life man, running around that Nintendo sixty four world.
Speaker 4: Those elongated skulls make it very interesting resonance chambers, and
Speaker 4: I think that's not something that science is ready to
Speaker 4: deal with. But you know, maybe they were using them
Speaker 4: as tools in some sort of way, and they did
Speaker 4: have these things tuned to certain frequencies. So what are
Speaker 4: we actually looking at when they're elongating a baby's skull.
Speaker 4: That could be how they that's their position in life.
Speaker 4: You know, that's sort of how they determined these things
Speaker 4: back then. So you're born into it.
Speaker 1: You know that that isn't interesting that you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: because like one of the episodes that I have coming
Speaker 1: out where I get like more into like the whole
Speaker 1: residence inside some of these like you know, massive structures.
Speaker 1: There was even stuff like academic stuff where he even
Speaker 1: talked about like some of these places of vibration literally
Speaker 1: will affect like your skull and your bones, and like
Speaker 1: what if there was like a certain key that you're
Speaker 1: bad at of being to actually pick up that signal.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, just going crazy shit. But I mean again,
Speaker 1: the resonance would be different on someone's fucking head like
Speaker 1: that than ours.
Speaker 4: And technically everybody's got a different residence for their for
Speaker 4: their own skulls, So how does that affect thought?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's it's an interesting thing that, uh, the
Speaker 6: Native Americans and all over the islands pretty much almost everywhere,
Speaker 6: they believe that modifying your skull was like a good thing.
Speaker 6: It made you smarter, it made you boring, tune with
Speaker 6: the gods something it was. It was a good thing.
Speaker 6: It was done for positive reasons. But you know, we
Speaker 6: can't test these sort of things today, which is kind
Speaker 6: of bullshit. We should just clone some people and squish
Speaker 6: their skulls until we're happy with what we got. They
Speaker 6: got no fucking rights anyway. If their clones, we can
Speaker 6: bang their feet while we're at it. How that works,
Speaker 6: Just do it all.
Speaker 5: It's my clone.
Speaker 4: I can do what I want with them.
Speaker 6: Make it a clone of me, so we can harvest
Speaker 6: that fucker's organs to shot.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's a movie. That's that's that movie The Island.
Speaker 7: If you haven't seen it, that's definitely there.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, man, that's a that's a
Speaker 2: tough that's a tough subject.
Speaker 6: I uh.
Speaker 2: I think maybe you battle it out with your clone
Speaker 2: and then whoever wins is the real person and then
Speaker 2: they get tested on.
Speaker 6: Well, because my organs are all fucked up, my clone
Speaker 6: is gonna be all like nice and fresh, no alcohol. Well,
Speaker 6: then it means that hour just yes, I just want
Speaker 6: to everybody know about about half an hour. I need
Speaker 6: to get off here.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I was gonna wrap it up, so just
Speaker 1: letting everybody know, so I don't just bag for you.
Speaker 5: I was wondering if you listen to the uh, for
Speaker 5: lack of a better term, the extraterrestrial alien mummies and.
Speaker 6: All the tridactyl ones a little bit.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, this is yes, the tridactyls and so on.
Speaker 6: You yeah, Oh, they're interesting to me. It's it's the
Speaker 6: problem with Peru again, like that we know that they
Speaker 6: got a lot of corruption with the elongated skulls and
Speaker 6: stuff already, and they're not letting many people put their
Speaker 6: fingers on these. It's just kind of keeping them in
Speaker 6: house and generating revenue. So I end up being pretty
Speaker 6: skeptical of those sorts of things. You know. Uh, it's
Speaker 6: a very they I would like to see something like
Speaker 6: that be real, but it those do not look real
Speaker 6: to me. They look they look fake, and the you
Speaker 6: can't access them unless you're one of the cool kids
Speaker 6: is a serious problem. That and that that always bothers
Speaker 6: me unfortunately, because like there's if if aliens have visited
Speaker 6: Earth and we have mummies of them and stuff, they
Speaker 6: would quite certainly be the kind of thing that would
Speaker 6: be very valuable and you know, well preserved and stuffed
Speaker 6: in some rich dude's closet or whatever. And it also
Speaker 6: the kind of thing that some smoking mirrors. Bullshit like
Speaker 6: this would make it a whole lot easier to move around,
Speaker 6: to hide to you talk about and stuff, because nobody
Speaker 6: you know, it's a slight of handshit again, Right, You
Speaker 6: convince everybody that you're stupid, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: you're pretty When you do something the least bit intelligence,
Speaker 6: you're like, well, God, damn, that guy's a genius. No,
Speaker 6: you just thought I was stupid, same kind of thing,
Speaker 6: So I I yeah, I'm pretty skeptical of anything that
Speaker 6: comes out of Peru that they don't. And it's not
Speaker 6: because I hate Peru. It's just I've researched their archaeology
Speaker 6: a lot. In Man old Man, old Man, old man
Speaker 6: o man, fucking you go down there with fifty bucks
Speaker 6: and you're gonna get some artifacts, buddy.
Speaker 4: Colors of the past. I mean, he goes through all
Speaker 4: of these sites that are completely undocumented and finds these
Speaker 4: huge cases full of bodies that have already been looted
Speaker 4: and all these other things, and it's just like he's
Speaker 4: just live streaming it out to the world. Show it everybody.
Speaker 4: How poor the condition of all this stuff is down there.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, it's like the wild West. Of course,
Speaker 4: you know, you can come up with mummies of any sort.
Speaker 6: And then you have to wonder if it's because like
Speaker 6: you know, you know, he's in trouble right now, all.
Speaker 4: Right, I didn't hear about that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he got accused of like rogue got accused
Speaker 6: of doing some bad stuff and uh like multiple women
Speaker 6: accused him, and so I I don't know, you know,
Speaker 6: is it be is it true? Or is it to
Speaker 6: silence this guy that's going and putting this dick skinners
Speaker 6: where they don't belong. So it's it's this this kind
Speaker 6: of stuff gets really tough that the fact of the
Speaker 6: matter is it's this is why was the reasons I
Speaker 6: scream about transparency. I should mention I talked my friend Timmy. Hey, Tim, Sorry,
Speaker 6: I don't have the chat scrolling on the screen, so
Speaker 6: I have to keep another tab open to go. Look.
Speaker 6: I apologize. He wants to know if I was going
Speaker 6: to talk about, uh, the stuff in Turkey, because I've
Speaker 6: been making a big stink about this port CLIs they
Speaker 6: called they call him a portal porthole stones. There are
Speaker 6: these big stones that have uh, I will have it
Speaker 6: on my thing already. There are these big stones that
Speaker 6: have uh. There's doors in him. Right. So this thing
Speaker 6: here was dug up in twenty ten and they reburied
Speaker 6: it shortly Thereafterwards they wrapped it in some plastic and
Speaker 6: then they sifted the dirt, but they reburied it. They
Speaker 6: did this. I came after Lee Claire on Twitter about
Speaker 6: this a couple of nights ago and asking him me,
Speaker 6: Hey man, why the fuck are you guys doing this?
Speaker 6: This is bad optics. Ultimately, this is bad optics. This
Speaker 6: is a really cool looking artifact. You guys bury it
Speaker 6: a you've had shits stolen from go Beckley tepe before
Speaker 6: it was stolen out of the ground. Just bad optics.
Speaker 6: And he just he told me I stupid, basically, And
Speaker 6: so I ended up lighting him up like a Christmas tree, because,
Speaker 6: like Nick said at the beginning, this you fucking deserve it, buddy,
Speaker 6: I got a shotgun here, I will use it and
Speaker 6: uh yeah, I splattered him all over the place for
Speaker 6: a minute. But the reality of it is is stupid.
Speaker 6: So you know, if you're gonna store things like this,
Speaker 6: you put him in your fucking but I told him
Speaker 6: was you know, if I wanted to store something, I'd
Speaker 6: ask my sister if I could use a spot in
Speaker 6: her garage as opposed to bury it in the fuck.
Speaker 6: But that's just me at any rate, there's two of
Speaker 6: things like this. There's another one that's not quite as ornate,
Speaker 6: that's also buried at go Beckley Teppe. This is on
Speaker 6: the Northwestern Mound, and then the other one's buried in
Speaker 6: enclosure beef Memory Serves. And uh, yeah, I've got a video.
Speaker 6: I just I'm in the process of editing it now,
Speaker 6: Tim and everybody else and it should be up tonight
Speaker 6: or tomorrow. And yeah, it's ridiculous, man, it's ridiculous that
Speaker 6: we it's you can't say that we don't have the
Speaker 6: room or something to store an artifact like this when
Speaker 6: the site is generating stupid amounts of money and you're
Speaker 6: building these big enclosures and whatnot. Pull the fucking thing
Speaker 6: out of the ground and or build a little tarpover
Speaker 6: or whatever the hell you need to do. But leaving
Speaker 6: it in the ground, to me, is a great way
Speaker 6: to facilitate theft. And considering that we know that This
Speaker 6: is a problem, especially in poorer nations. And now I
Speaker 6: totally clear that if he got stolen out of the
Speaker 6: ground that I would I would blame him. But when
Speaker 6: I was yelling at you mightn't realize that it was
Speaker 6: buried under claud Schmidt. So I would have to be
Speaker 6: potentially yelling at Claude Schmidt, who's no longer with us.
Speaker 6: But at any rate, burying artifacts in the ground is
Speaker 6: a great way to facilitate theft. And they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: but what's under CCTV footage nowadays, And I'm like, yes,
Speaker 6: so was Epstein's cell didn't do him any fucking good,
Speaker 6: did it. I find that shit. Money fixes cameras really
Speaker 6: quick or breaks cameras really quick. However, you want to
Speaker 6: look at it.
Speaker 4: Especially when you got little animal effigies that looks like
Speaker 4: right next to it, so you know that's like what
Speaker 4: one hundred grand, hundred grand, hundred grand. You've just counting
Speaker 4: it up and make it all the estimates right there
Speaker 4: from these pictures.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the thing that was stolen was a vulture headed
Speaker 6: stone that's disappeared around twenty ten. It was a vulture
Speaker 6: headed It was like a human head with a vulture
Speaker 6: head on top of it that came from a statue
Speaker 6: Claus Schmidt was fined about. It came up to a
Speaker 6: about ninety eight hundred US dollars was what it was
Speaker 6: at the time, and this is, you know, like two
Speaker 6: thousand and six, actually I think it was. So there's
Speaker 6: a fairly substantial chunk of money, probably like twenty grand
Speaker 6: or so nowadays, but still nothing compared to what that
Speaker 6: thing sold for. So that's I mean, that could have
Speaker 6: been a great cottage industry for him. Now I'm not
Speaker 6: saying Clush did that. The problem is is this methodology
Speaker 6: allows for things to be stolen when they're in the
Speaker 6: fucking museums. Shit don't disappear unless the US Army or
Speaker 6: somebody rolls through, right then, yeah, then the museum's closed down.
Speaker 6: But generally speaking, the days of cat burglars breaking in
Speaker 6: and using glass hutters to steal the jewels out of
Speaker 6: the little display case are fucking that's relegated to the
Speaker 6: movies from fifty years ago. Man, the shit gets stolen
Speaker 6: when it's in the ground still, and the you don't
Speaker 6: rob the you rob the armored car, not the bank,
Speaker 6: and ideally you rob the guy walking from the business
Speaker 6: to the car, right, this is this is no brainer. Shit,
Speaker 6: you get the stuff when it's easiest. But again, he's
Speaker 6: white collar folks. It's to their credit in a lot
Speaker 6: of ways. There a lot of are just they're just
Speaker 6: nice guys, don't fucking know any better. But because of that,
Speaker 6: the ship heeled next to him that does know better
Speaker 6: can pretend he's ignorant as fuck too and sell this
Speaker 6: stuff on the black market. So anyway, rant over for
Speaker 6: a minute. Well do you have.
Speaker 5: Sorry, real quick, do you have an idea of what
Speaker 5: them might be?
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's they think it was used for doorways for enclosures,
Speaker 6: Like they think maybe you were on top of the
Speaker 6: enclosures and like you would completely seal the enclosure from
Speaker 6: the ground and the only way in or out was
Speaker 6: from the top, or maybe they were just stood upright
Speaker 6: and they were the doorway to like a normal door.
Speaker 6: But this one's unique in the fact that it's too
Speaker 6: and it's pretty ornate. So it is the best example
Speaker 6: that we have found so far. Definitely, and they're pretty
Speaker 6: sure it was a ceremonial type of gig on this one.
Speaker 4: But there is some good to me, it seems like
Speaker 4: what's missing from all of this is the sacred because
Speaker 4: all of this is on somebody else's holy ground, and
Speaker 4: these archaeologists they don't view it as holy ground, and
Speaker 4: these robbers, they don't view it as holy ground. And
Speaker 4: the people who would consider it holy ground they're long dead.
Speaker 4: So this is why we have a problem, is because
Speaker 4: they don't have that sacred mindset. They're not looking at
Speaker 4: these objects as being sacred things. It's more of just
Speaker 4: more artifacts that they can catalog and put up on
Speaker 4: a shelf or keeping the ground.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's it's tough. They would never
Speaker 6: say it nowadays, but in the time when nagpro was
Speaker 6: being debated in the United States, it was quite common
Speaker 6: to see the people opposing it say things like indigenous
Speaker 6: archaeology is pseudo archaeology. Straight up. They're just fucking straight up,
Speaker 6: no ifs ands or butts about it. If you're doing
Speaker 6: archaeology from an indigenous perspective, you're not doing real You're
Speaker 6: just it's fake science. So that's the attitude. And now
Speaker 6: they'll pretend now that that's not the case, but that's
Speaker 6: the way that they do that is they ostracize people
Speaker 6: like Elizabeth Weiss right. If you guys know who she is,
Speaker 6: She's an anthropologist who is heavily critical of nagres, so
Speaker 6: they just they ostracize her. But they still do the
Speaker 6: exact same things, the exact same methodologies that created all
Speaker 6: of the problems to begin with, where they ignore indigenous accounts.
Speaker 6: And now it's one thing to take and I can
Speaker 6: see why an Indian will get infented if you just
Speaker 6: come in and take in adigenous account and translate it
Speaker 6: into ancient artifacts, ancient technology, atlantis. Every single time, I
Speaker 6: could see why that would get fucking old. It's like
Speaker 6: you're just taking my mess and you're just using them
Speaker 6: to push your narrative. However, that's no different than what
Speaker 6: the scientists are doing. We're going to talk about the
Speaker 6: people into the Americas. We want to know the burying
Speaker 6: land bridge, so let's see how kenwick Man fits into that,
Speaker 6: and the natives and the scientists argued about that one
Speaker 6: for a law time. That standard operating procedure with those
Speaker 6: guys is ignore Indigenous accounts. Pat him on the head. Thanks,
Speaker 6: thanks for the artifacts boys. Anyway, I hope to answer
Speaker 6: your question, Tim, I gotta lip and see if I
Speaker 6: Tim Tim's a good guy. I want to make sure
Speaker 6: I made him happy with that.
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, no, that's fine. No, that was great, Thank
Speaker 1: you for bringing that up.
Speaker 6: No, thank you Tim, and thanks Nick. Yeah, I need
Speaker 6: to get more monitors. I need to I need to
Speaker 6: buy out one of those bat cave setups instead of
Speaker 6: this little laptop. But I'm so man, dude, dude, my
Speaker 6: shoes still have holes on them and ship due. I
Speaker 6: I'm never I'm always going to be poor white trash
Speaker 6: no matter how much money I have. There is we
Speaker 6: all pretty much pretty much?
Speaker 1: Was there anything anybody else wanted to ask? Could wrap
Speaker 1: it up? Yeah? All right, okay, well Dan, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for coming on again. Man, it's always a
Speaker 1: blad Hell yeah, we talked about a lot more than
Speaker 1: I thought too, which is great. Nice. Before we wrap
Speaker 1: it up'll let everybody plug their shows again. Judith the Loon,
Speaker 1: if you're doing, I know you might have been having
Speaker 1: technical difficulties over it.
Speaker 3: If my volume you okay, you can catch me at
Speaker 3: on YouTube and on x as the loan and thank
Speaker 3: you for having me Nick.
Speaker 1: Of course of course, and headless Giant, what is going on?
Speaker 1: So you doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I apologize for the motorcycle rally that goes on outside
Speaker 4: my door every time I start podcasting.
Speaker 1: But you know it's the way, Okay, it makes no sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well you can find me on X and on YouTube,
Speaker 4: also on Instagram at the Headless Giant, and yeah, check
Speaker 4: out my show with Ethan Indigo and Ricard calib Audio
Speaker 4: when we were talking about the all sorts of crazy
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Speaker 4: It's a great two hour round trip. So check out
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, sir and Brandon. Please let them
Speaker 1: know where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Please head on over to Magus in the Media on
Speaker 2: my YouTube, on my x, on my Instagram, on all
Speaker 2: the social media platforms. I'm here to help break down
Speaker 2: the myth, the magic and.
Speaker 7: The meaning and the things and all the shit that
Speaker 7: we love together. I want to say something before I go.
Speaker 2: I just want people to know that even though we're ocultists,
Speaker 2: this is a comment that I saw and I shouldn't
Speaker 2: react to comments, but I'm gonna do it anyway. Is
Speaker 2: that there are people out there who want to comment,
Speaker 2: and it's fine, but I think you forget that the
Speaker 2: occultists that you see on this panel.
Speaker 7: Even if they don't say it, I'm gonna save it
Speaker 7: for you.
Speaker 2: We are very divine people, like we are. We worship
Speaker 2: things and gods and like we look at Nick is
Speaker 2: doing the sacred architecture stuff right now, and so we
Speaker 2: don't think that we don't want to walk into churches
Speaker 2: and feel the mystical beauty of the divine.
Speaker 7: You're fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: And so you know who you are who I'm responding to,
Speaker 2: And I just want everybody to know that we are
Speaker 2: God's people and we all are God's people, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who what God, it's the divine and we
Speaker 2: worship that which is. And so I just I'm feeling
Speaker 2: hot and spicy because I'm in a hot and spicy
Speaker 2: land right now, and I just truly feel that I
Speaker 2: hope people, I want us to help rewrite what it
Speaker 2: means to be an occultist, a magician, a king, a lover,
Speaker 2: and a warrior. And I think it's a really important
Speaker 2: thing for us all to know. And so, like I
Speaker 2: said before, I want everybody to do that for themselves.
Speaker 2: And so tap into your nervous system, become your own hermetic,
Speaker 2: become your own magician, king, lover warrior and just do
Speaker 2: the thing. Listen and follow everyone here because there is
Speaker 2: shit going on right now and it's time for us
Speaker 2: to take over this world in our own bubbles. And
Speaker 2: I think everyone here can agree with that. And so again, Nick,
Speaker 2: you're the man. Dan, I love watching you do what
Speaker 2: you do on X and everything that you're doing, and
Speaker 2: so I so appreciate you coming on here and chatting
Speaker 2: with us and just continue fighting the good fight because
Speaker 2: there's fucking morons everywhere and we just.
Speaker 7: Got to flap them away with all the great things
Speaker 7: that we do.
Speaker 3: So that's what I got.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ethan.
Speaker 5: What's going on so well, I'll try not to tear up,
Speaker 5: and I'll try to add a little on top of
Speaker 5: that well said presentation. Brandon. You know, I think of
Speaker 5: occult rejects as the occultists, right. We reject we've been
Speaker 5: rejected by the secrecy and are sharing ideas all of us.
Speaker 5: So I think that's a really powerful proper thing to do.
Speaker 5: And obviously Dan that you share everything you share too,
Speaker 5: So yeah, perhaps perhaps to everyone here, appreciate you guys
Speaker 5: for all that. And Ethan Indigo Smith on all the
Speaker 5: social media, and I again just to appreciate everyone.
Speaker 1: On the shot as well. So thank you for baking
Speaker 1: and Ethan always appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Dan.
Speaker 1: Please just the super Sexy Day. Let everybody know what's
Speaker 1: over there where either they can find all your stuff.
Speaker 1: Any any events coming up that you'll be speaking at,
Speaker 1: please let them on.
Speaker 6: Yep, we'll be in Sidona, Arizona, May first through third
Speaker 6: for the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference. It's gonna be
Speaker 6: a lot of fun. I'm gonna be out drinking and
Speaker 6: partying with everybody and it's gonna be great. You can
Speaker 6: find me on YouTube and on Twitter and on the
Speaker 6: Instagram and stuff I'm around. You'll you be probably find
Speaker 6: my links at de dunking stuff. People know who I am,
Speaker 6: they just don't like me the uh really quickly. One
Speaker 6: thing to say about like about being, you know, all
Speaker 6: of us being our own kings or being our own
Speaker 6: things is you know people, Jewels said. The singer Jewel
Speaker 6: said that we're God's hands. She sang at over and
Speaker 6: over and over again at the end of one of
Speaker 6: her songs. And you know, if you look at things
Speaker 6: that way, sometimes God given you a massage. And but
Speaker 6: some people they don't deserve the massage. Some people deserve
Speaker 6: a fucking two pound sledgehammer to the ass, and that's
Speaker 6: when I'm God's hands. So the rest of the time,
Speaker 6: you guys give him a massage when they need their
Speaker 6: fucking teeth knocked in.
Speaker 1: Sounds good.
Speaker 6: Thanks a lot, man, This has been a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed talking to you guys. Thank you so
Speaker 6: much for wait and sorry you had technical difficulties, Judas,
Speaker 6: and but yeah, we'll have to do this against sometime soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't always have a blast with you, man.
Speaker 1: And if he says he's going to be a hanging
Speaker 1: out and partying, he is he will be, you know,
Speaker 1: I know for definitely will be.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a cool motherfucker in person too, so
Speaker 1: definitely yeah. If you can make it to that event,
Speaker 1: I highly I highly suggest it. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: went to the last one me and Hellas with that
Speaker 1: was a blast. It was amazing. Speaker's a great time,
Speaker 1: even if the food was fucking slamming too, so.
Speaker 6: It wasn't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I definitely check it out. And again, thank
Speaker 1: you Dan and thanks for sharing it out. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: It was great to see a lot of the comments
Speaker 1: from your side in here too. Good stuff. That's why
Speaker 1: we go live. And uh until the next one. Everybody
Speaker 1: be well later.