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Speaker 2: It's my pleasure to welcome ap Dylan from the North
State Journal to our airwaves this afternoon. APEA good afternoon.
Speaker 1: How are you, hey, Mack?
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of news over the last couple
of days for folks, especially those that spend a lot
of time on social media, specifically the X platform. There's
been a whole bunch of swatting going on. Before we
get into some of those details, can you walk us
through what swatting is. It was pretty popular in the
early two thousands. It seems to have risen back to
prominence again over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Well. Swating event is basically when someone calls the police
anonymously and gives a tip that something violent as is
happening at your home, and they send police officers and
off in the SWAT team to your house to investigate
the claim. This happened here in North Carolina over the weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, walk us through that story.
Speaker 2: An individual who was not seemingly political back until about
six months ago has risen to some national popularity.
Speaker 4: Walk us through what you're tracking there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a gentleman named Matt van Swall. He's in
the western part of North Carolina, and he's been speaking
up for the hurricane victims and was particularly upset with
the Biden administration's lack of activity in that area, and
has been very appreciative of the Trump administration's activity in
that area, including FEMA clearing some of its calls. He's
drawn a lot of criticism from various groups on x
most of them appear to be left leading, But I
wouldn't say all. Over the weekend, someone called in to
the police anonymously that he had murdered his wife and
was hiding in his basement, and that sent police to
his door.
Speaker 4: Now, it's interesting that you bring that up.
Speaker 2: Not only was it his birthday when the swat team
showed up to his door, but he'd posted earlier in
the week ap that he had actually gone to his
local police department because so many folks were swatted through
the early part of last week to inform them that
he was likely to become a target of this. But
I guess, you know, when nine one one gets a
call that somebody's murdered their wife and their whole family,
I guess they respond anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't always connect with the person's name and
the actual call and the address that comes out. They
often don't have a name to go with that address,
and the police are just dispatched. So, yeah, his kids
were upstairs asleep. His wife happened to answer the door luckily,
and the tensions were you know, considerably brought down a
latch once the wife answered the door who was supposed
to be dead. So he was fairly upset about it.
And he hasn't reached out to him a few times
in the last couple of days here since it happened
and made sure that he was okay, or see if
he needed anything, just you know, human to human. And
he said that he hadn't really heard anything from law
enforcement about whether or not they had a suspect involved.
But I do know that the director of the FBI,
Cash Betel, has issued a statement on x about these
swatting attempts, and he said that the FBI is aware
of this dangerous trend, and my team and I are
taking action to investigate and hold those responsible accountable. So
I have a feeling that we might see some activity
in that unless you know, if this happened through a
burner phone, which is non traceable.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what we've seen when this really rose
to prominence in the early twenty tens, using services like
Skype and other sort of like virtual calling platforms, sometimes
out of the country. These calls are placed ap It's
incredibly hard to track these individuals down, but they're all
are examples where individuals have done this swatting. I hate
to call it a prank, but that's essentially what it is,
this swatting prank. The swat team shows up and they
actually kills somebody because they're believing that they're walking into
an armed situation going on. You've hat people die at
the hands of this. This is incredibly concerning.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they tracked a whole bunch of calls, hundreds
of calls down to a California teenager just recently, and
I think he was charged and actually sentenced. I'd have
to actually go back and look at that, but yeah,
there was you know, he was making calls to schools,
bomb threats and things all over the country and they
managed to track him down. So I have hopes that
maybe they'll track this person down who's making these calls
to different people. It sort of follows in the vein
of some violent threats that have been happening around the
state this past week. Last week, actually, Senator Tom Tillis
released voicemails that went to his office and people verbally
abusing his staff. I mean, we're talking the very liberal
use of the F bomb, death threats, hatchet in your head,
this kind of stuff, you know. And then you know,
at the end of the week, Congressman Edwards held a
town hall which completely went off the rails with people
yelling F bombs at him in Nashville, and apparently Supreme
Court race candidate Judge Jefferson Griffin has been getting all
kinds of threats at his home, so there's you know,
I guess Alison Riggs also had some threats made to
her the North Carolina Judicial Brands communication director over there
basically said that there's an investigation underway on both sides
for Griffin and Riggs and that the marshalls are looking
into that there. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: We'll join this afternoon on the Pea Calendar Show by
ap Dillon over at the North State Journal at AP
About forty five minutes ago, Senator Tail has released more voicemails.
I can't play them on the air, of course, every
other word would have to be bleeped out. But the
general thing of this call that he just released the
individual on the other line talking about caving the senator's
head in as well as his kids and his grandkids.
What do we do to ratchet this down at the
national level, Apiece is starting to get a little out
of control.
Speaker 3: Well, I think these people will need to be prosecuted.
I mean, these are death threats. These are not covered
by free speech, and you know, until there's consequences out
there for these kinds of things, this is going to
continue to happen. I know that Senator Tillis's received warnings,
you know, during the nomination process as well, that you know,
people were you know, formulating threats against him. So this
is it's getting out of control, it's spiraling. Someone is
definitely going to get hurt. I think law enforcement is
going to have to step up and re proactive. And
I think that these individuals were receiving the threats are
within their rights to up their security.
Speaker 2: There's no question about that. And you know, I want
to go back to something that you reference. You know
that the Chuck Edwards a town hall that took place
last week that of course spiraled the meeting out of
control and a I'm seeing calls on social media for
other members of Congress. Of course, North Carolina has a
majority Republican congressional delegation in the US House. I'm seeing
calls for these individuals to host town halls from individuals
that are on the political left. Do they have any
interest in actually listening to these people or do they
just want to yell and scream and get their voice
across that way?
Speaker 3: Well, even bad publicity is good publicity, right. A lot
of these town hall protests are being organized by either
Democratic parties in the area or that protest group Indivisible
that was formed under Trump's first term there where they
would go out and organized protests. Some of them got
a little bit out of control. But those are the
two groups that I'm seeing right now in North Carolina
that are pulling these together. The North Carolina Democratic Party
held a big anti Doge protest just before Josh Stein
gave his State of the State address last week. The
same time, the Durham Democratic Party organized a protest at
a Tesla dealership in northern Raleigh. So these things are
happening all over the place, and I think so far
those have remained peaceful. We haven't seen any violence there,
but the rhetoric is definitely there, and it's definitely profane.
Speaker 2: Hey, Pete, tell folks what you're going to be tracking
over at the North State Journal this week and over
at your substack at ap Dylan dot substack dot com.
Speaker 4: What are you going to be keeping an eye on
this week?
Speaker 3: Well, obviously Senator Tillis and his disclosure of his voicemails
will be one of them. Right now, over at the substack,
I've got just a few things going on there. Acblue
is getting investigated on the national level under the Biden administration.
Some of the ICE figures look to be quote cooked
and internal Democrat polling doesn't particularly look particularly good. Over
at North State Journal, I've got articles about two house
bills targeting immigration and ice compliance, as well as one
thing that went under the radar. Usagpambondi ended investigations into
parent protesting their school boards. I think we all remember
Merrik Garland's memo which directed the FBI to investigate parents
protesting and he used domestic terrorism labels on them. Well
that's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing like us showing up to voice your concerns
with your local school board and being deemed a domestic
terrorist by the Attorney General.
Speaker 4: Pretty remarkable stuff. AP. Tell folks again where they can
keep track of you.
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm an ex at AP Delan Underscore, and I'm
at North State Journal which is NSJ online dot com.
And I also have a substack more to the story,
which is AP Delan dot sub substack dot com.
Speaker 4: AP, thank you so much for the time. Greatly appreciated.
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Speaker 2: So obviously a lot of stuff going on nationally, internationally,
across the state. As we were discussing with ap in
the previous segment, it's been very interesting to watch the
Democrat reaction to the second go around of the Trump administration.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: I made the point earlier.
Speaker 2: And callers disagree with it, but I made the point
that the Democrats can't win on issues, and it's obvious
that they can't. Just look at the greatest example of
this is the men and women's sports issue. Democrats had
four years to take that argument, their great idea that
it was okay for biological men to play in female sports.
They had four years to convince the American people that
was the case, that their idea was good, that it
was the way that our country needs to operate and
needs to be. They miserably failed in convincing the American
people to do that, and within just a couple of
days of this new administration, Trump holds an executive orders
behind him dozens of young female athletes that have had
serious health issues as it relates to this wacko crazy
policy that's moved forward by the Left, and their idea
is completely dismantled in real time, I mean just completely gone.
And so the Democrat Party right now is in a
very precarious spot. As we covered earlier in the show. Today,
these two new polls, the one out from NBC the
other from CNN, show very very low approval ratings for
the Democrat Party. And I think part of it is
they're kind of struggling with an identity issue. What do
they need to do going forward?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: You know, this idea of burning Tesla's in New York City,
or spray painting Tesla's or destroying them, lighting them on fire,
thinking that you're, you know, shoving it to the man,
I don't think that's a really good idea. Who knows,
maybe I'm off base on that, but I don't think
when you look at the overall view of the American left,
it's a good political strategy to have you be the
party that is burning cars in streets. I'm not sure
that's the best look, especially burning cars of a guy
that you once idled. Right. The whole irony of the
of the Ela Musk thing is that he was the
darling of the left. Tesla and SpaceX Solar City, which
he owns, took over from the federal government or bought
and then took, you know, billions of dollars worth of
subsidies from the federal government. He was the darling of
the left. Tesla is the They completely revolutionized the ev
game and forced every other manufacturer to have to seriously
innovate in their electric vehicle offerings. Once a darling, now
the enemy of the progressive, radical left. So they're protesting him.
They're standing up in support of Hamas on college campuses.
They're standing with dangerous Venezuelan street gangs that are roaming
the streets of the un States and by the way,
the streets of North Carolina. This gang, these three hundred
gang members that Trump deported on Saturday in defiance of
a judge. They're part of that trend de Agra gang
out of Venezuela. Two of those affiliated gang members have
been picked up in North Carolina over the last twelve months,
one in Charlotte over the summer of last year and
the other in Raleigh back in February. Both of these
individuals wanted on murder charges in other states, one in Chicago,
one in Florida. I believe, yeah, the Democrats are standing
up for those individuals. These are the people that they
are siding with, and I guess they believe have the
best political ideology for them going forward. And so when
you look at this overall Democrat approval number, it's not
surprising that it's so low because it's truly a party
that is dealing with an identity crisis. It's truly a
party that is trying to navigate through the resistance phase
once again. Right they were law resistance in the first
Trump term. They're trying to do it again. And I
don't think it's going to have the same impact. I
don't think marching around the state Capitol in Raleigh screaming
about Elon Musk, Doje and Donald Trump is a is
a great position for the Democrat Party to be in.
And of course the irony of that they were protesting
Doje on Wednesday. Later that night, Governor Josh Stein, who
is a Democrat, indicated that he was going to be
directing his budget office within the Governor's mansion to construct
some sort of Doze style operation. Don't they just look
incredibly stupid with that. You've literally got the governor, your
guy as a Democrat, who's saying North Carolina needs a
doge too. Yet they are spending their Wednesday afternoon aimlessly
walking around Raleigh chanting, hooting and hollering about Trump and
Elon Musk, other fun songs and all the cool little
things that they sing, and they're really neat signs that
they walk around with. That's the current Democrat Party. This
party is absolutely going through a rebirth right now.
Speaker 4: It has to.
Speaker 2: Their ideas are not working, their ideas are not resonating
with the American public. And yelling and screaming on street
corners and burning cars. I don't think is the path
forward for them if they want to have a successful
midterm in twenty twenty six, which by the way, is
theirs to lose. Midterm elections are always brutal for the
party in charge, meaning currently the Republicans. So if the
Democrats want to secure victories and gain seats in both
the House and the Senate in just less than two
years from now, they'll have the opportunity to do that,
But not if they continue down this path. I don't
see how they're winning the favor of anybody. But they're
far left progressive wing of the party. With the things
that they're doing, it seems completely detrimental to everything that
they're trying to do something we'll keep an eye on all.
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Speaker 2: Going back to last hour, we were talking about the
situation that's unfolding with the out of control district judge
system that's existing right now, where pretty much anything that
Trump brings forward, anything that comes out of his administration
is just blocked by district court judge, temporary stays, temporary
restraining orders, everything is just immediately blocked. And one of
the callers mentioned last night, Newt Gingrich was on Mark
Levin's Life, Liberty and Levin program on Fox News, and
Newton had a pretty good synopsis of this what's going
on right now and what needs to happen going forward.
I just want to play a little bit of this
from last night. This is new Gingrich on Fox News.
Take a listen to this. His insights are pretty good.
Speaker 5: Sure, then look to have several kinds of power. First
of all, though the House and Senate Judiciary committees should
have two kinds of hearings. One that should have sort
of intellectual hearings, bring in smart people. Legal scholars lay
out the case that the found Bill fathers never wanted
to have these kind of radical judges seeking to interpose
themselves between the elected officials of the American people and
their own whacked out left wing views. And then second,
I think it would be very educational to bring in
the weirdest of the judges and have them under oath
explain why they made the decision they did, what the
source of that decision in the Constitution is, why it's
a legitimate decision. And I think these judges would look
really bad, and you'd begin to understand that they really
represent a radical worldview with no constitutional basis.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna stop new Gingrich right there, and I'm
going to play a little bit more from him. But
what he's saying right there is the quintessential argument. Bring
these judges in and have them explain where in the
Constitution they have the authority to issue these temporary states. Folks, Again,
it's important to note we're not talking about final decisions
coming down from district court judges. We're not talking about
them having a full hearing, hearing the merits of the case,
hearing arguments from both sides, and ruling.
Speaker 4: That's not what we're talking about. We are talking.
Speaker 2: About temporary restraining orders that are being placed, temporary stays
that are being put on the executive branch of the
United States. That is immediately stopping the agenda, immediately stopping
the executive authority. Nuke Gingrich, I think it's spot on here.
Bring these jokers in and have them explain. Where in
the Constitution does this exist? Where are you deriving your
authority to do such things? Where does it say that
you have the authority to issue a temporary stay over
immigration policy coming out of the executive branch? More from
New Gingrichjohn Fox News is Mark Liberty and Levin last night.
Speaker 5: And then I think the Congress untooka two possible steps immediately,
one to either impeach certain judges or abolish their court.
And two, so look seriously at the budget of the
judicial system the United States and simply cut it dramatically.
The point that Hamilton makes in the Federalist Papers is
that the courts in the end cannot win a fight
with the elected officials of the legislative and executive branches
because the money and the power comes from those two branches.
These judges, I think are in grave danger. This is
a test, as Lincoln said at Gettysburg, of whether this system,
or any system so conceived, can long endure. I mean,
if the American people electing the people they want, and
they've given the Republicans the House, the Senate, and the
White House. If they can't then enforce their views and
they can't represent the American people, then our whole system's
in trouble. At the America's New Majority project, we just
did a poll last week. Eighty one percent of the
American people believe the federal government's corrupt. Eighty one percent.
This is an enormous danger to this revival of freedom
when you have eight out of every ten Americans believing
that the core system is corrupt. The House and the
Senate have an obligation to bring these judges in to
interrogate them, to understand the normal constitutional boundaries, to look
at the historic precedent, and then if necessary, just abolish
their courts and cut them out of the game, or
cease paying for them so that they just sit there
and they can't do anything but the current situation. And
you were exactly right in your opening. The current situation
is intolerable and it is a direct threat to the
system of self government that is at the core of
the American model.
Speaker 2: You can't really summarize it any better than that, can you.
I mean, New Gingrid's just fire on all cylinders there.
The options I think he lays out are perfect. Haul
them in front of Congress and have them explain to
the duly elected members of our government, the House and
the Senate, why they are operating in the main that
they are, where they are deriving the authority that they
are operating under. I think that would be very eye opening.
And then, as new Gingrid said, then there's two options.
You either drastically cut their funding so they essentially can't
do anything, or you.
Speaker 4: Just abolish their courts.
Speaker 2: And you hate that it's come to this point. You
hate that we've come to the end of the road
where this is what's being discussed. But what do you
do when progressive activist judges who do not have the
authority to operate in the manner that they are continually
shut down the administration, the duly elected administration of this country.
It is a very precarious situation that we're in. It's
not a good situation either. I don't want the district
court system essentially to be flushed down the toilet. I
don't think that's a good thing for America. But unfortunately,
due to the actions of these judges, the actions of
these left wing groups that sue till find a Democrat
judge that will side with us, Find a Democrat judge
that will be friendly to our case. Find a Democrat
judge that will issue a temporary stay or a restraining order.
This is the animal that the Democrats have created. You know,
I always find this so ironic with the left, they
are constantly changing the rules of the game, and then
they get upset when Republicans, when the GOP, when conservatives
want to play by those same rules. You guys are
the ones setting the rules here. You guys are the
ones setting the playing field, so we're going to play
on it too. You don't get to just run around
and judge shop and get everything that you want or
everything that you don't like thrown out out of the
executive branch from district court judges before due process. That's
not how our system works. If you guys want to
play that game, then it's time for Republicans to take
drastic measures.
Speaker 4: There's just no other way around it.
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like to chime in on the program this afternoon. Something
that's going to be an interesting thing to watch over
the next couple of days. Have you been following anything
about this autopen issue that's come to light? So the
autopen is something that is used within the White House
to sign the president's signature. Well, apparently all of the
pardons that Joe Biden issued for members of the House
January sixth Select Committee were signed via auto pen and
not via the president's actual hand. He wouldn't actually sign
it himself.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: President Trump put a post on truth Social a couple
of hours ago saying, quote, the pardons that Sleepy Joe
gave to the Unselect Committee of political thugs and many
others are hereby declared void, vacant, and no longer and
no further force or effect because of the fact that
they were done by autopen. In other words, Joe Biden
did not sign them, and more importantly, he did not
know anything about them. The necessary pardoning documents were not
explained to or approved by Biden. So the US Constitution
claims that the president has no authority, however, to overturn
his presidential his predecessor's pardons. However, there is some questions
about an actual signature that is playing out as an
autopen is an electronic signature that allows those pardons to
be signed without physically being there, and it's exactly what
it sounds like. It mimics the handwriting of the president.
It's an auto pen. However, there are some questions as
to can a pardon be issued without the president actually
being in the room, because we don't know whether Joe
Biden was or wasn't when these pardons were signed. Caroline
Levitt was asked about that during the White House Press
briefing that has taken place while we've been on the
ARA this afternoon. Let's take a listen to what she
had to say about this. She was asked a question
about it.
Speaker 6: The President was begging the question that I think a
lot of journalists in this room should be asking about
whether or not the former president of the United States,
who I think we can all finally agree, was cognitively impaired.
I know it took people some time to finally admit that.
But we all know that to be true, as evidence
by his disastrous debate performance against President Trump during the campaign.
I digress on that, but the President was raising the
point that did the President even know about these pardons?
Was his legal signature used without his consent or knowledge?
And that's not just the President or me raising those questions, Caitlin.
According to The New York Post, there are Biden officials
from the previous White House who raised those questions and
wondered if the President was even consulted about his legally
binding signature being signed onto documents. And so I think
it's a question that everybody in this room should be
looking into because certainly that would propose perhaps criminal or
illegal behavior if staff members were signing the President of
the United States autograph without his consent. Is on the
record talking about the issuing preemptive pardons to these people,
But was he aware of his signature being used on
every single pardon? That's a question you should ask the
Biden Why.
Speaker 2: Any evidence on that that he wasn't aware of it.
Speaker 6: You're a reporter, you should find out.
Speaker 2: Caroline Love It's phenomenal, isn't she just great, she's not
taken the bait from the media.
Speaker 4: Is there any evidence that this may have been happening?
Do you have any evidence, Caroline, whether this was happening
or not? Do you have any evidence of that? I
don't know. You're the reporter, You're the one getting paid
to track stories down on Don't you go figure it out.
It's not my job. I'm the White I'm the current
White House Press secretary.
Speaker 2: You guys are the journalists in the room, right, You
guys are the ones that are keeping democracy free.
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: What's the Washington Post headline, Democracy dies in darkness? You
guys are the ones that are supposed to be doing this.
Why is it taking Trump posting on truth social about
auto pen signatures? Why is it a bunch of guys,
a bunch of bros on Twitter or X combining all
of the pardon documents together indicating that they're their exact
same signature, indicating it's an auto pen. Why is it
some random guy on X that's figuring this out. Why
is it not the actual media establishment in our country
that's supposed to be protecting us from losing our democracy, which,
of course Trump and the Republicans are going to steal
away as we always hear from them, So that'll be
interesting to watch over the next couple of days to
see who knows how does this play out in regards
it to the president's pardons.
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