WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.560 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:29.359 Welcome to the Occult Rejects, where we deep dive into 5 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.520 the hidden, the heretical, and the forgotten truths of our world. 6 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:36.200 Today we are honored to be joined by Doc Gregory L. Little, 7 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:40.520 a psychologist, author, and explorer of ancient mysteries. He's the 8 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:44.439 author of Mound Builders, Edgar Casey's Forgotten Record of Ancient America, 9 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:48.560 a groundbreaking work that blends archaeology, Native American history, and 10 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:53.520 the visionary insights of the sleeping profit Edgar Casey. Doctor 11 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.119 Little I spent decades investigating America's ancient sacred sites, and 12 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:00.000 his research offers a compelling look at the loss civilization 13 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:04.719 that once shaped this land, long before mainstream history days 14 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.760 to admit. So buckle up because today we're venturing into 15 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:12.280 the mounds, the myths, and the mystical memories of Forgotten America. 16 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.439 But the other rejects that I got with me today 17 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:17.719 before we get to Greg, I got Lisa, the occult 18 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:21.840 reject mad scientists with us today. What is going on? Lisa? 19 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:22.640 How are you? 20 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.159 I'm good, Thank you for having me. I'm looking forward 21 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:27.000 to this conversation. 22 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.280 Oh yeah, thank you very much for joining us, and 23 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.159 we also got Heidi. What is going on? Heidi? 24 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:34.799 How are you hello? 25 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:38.359 I'm glad to be here, happy to meet you, doctor Little, 26 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:40.799 and happy to be here with JJ, Lisa and yourself. 27 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:43.439 So listen, I mean you want to everybody know where 28 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:44.480 they can find your stuff as well. 29 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.400 Of course I'm at the Unfiltered Rise everywhere podcasts are served. 30 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.040 I do have my own podcast, Unfiltered Rise podcast dot 31 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.319 com and Heidi love luv is where you'll find most 32 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:54.840 of myself. 33 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.799 Thank you, listen, Thank you very much. And last but 34 00:01:57.879 --> 00:01:59.760 not lish, JJ Vance. 35 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:06.319 Nick, howdy, sir, appreciate the invitation as always, Greg, great 36 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.479 to meet you, big big Mound fans, so big to 37 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.199 like I said, big fan of your Twitter timeline over 38 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:13.280 the year, So definitely looking forward to the conversation and 39 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:14.360 Heidi and Lise. 40 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.120 Always great to join you on Cult Rejects. 41 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.400 Here for a Mound conversation, specifically because that's one of 42 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:21.120 my favorites and. 43 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.080 Host of operations GCD. 44 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.240 You will find a lot of Mound conversations there and 45 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:30.319 perhaps more notably not the vice president JJ Vance. Looking 46 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:33.439 for the conversation though, Nick great, great time is always awesome. 47 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.400 Thank you very much. And since I totally forgot that 48 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.879 I was waiting on Gin and started recording, I'll plug 49 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.879 his show for him. Threshold Saints. Gin should be popping 50 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.840 in shortly. I totally forgot to wait on him. So yeah, 51 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:50.560 and finally, now on to Greg Gregory. Please let everybody 52 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:52.319 know what your deal is. You know that I didn't 53 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.360 already explain already, And let people know what other books 54 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:58.080 you've written and whatever you want to plug please with Oh. 55 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.599 Wow, well, first, thanks everyone, first time I've met you. 56 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.199 Although you know, these meetings are happening more and more often, 57 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.120 we're going through you know, electrical meetings like this, and 58 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.919 so it's getting increasingly weird. A lot of people here, 59 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:18.360 you get to meet a lot of people. But wow, okay. 60 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:23.680 My background is in psychology. My real area was psychopharmacology, 61 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:27.800 which that's what my masters is in. It's a sub 62 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.400 specialty of experimental psychology. Now I've been out of school 63 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:36.039 for a long long time and most of my career 64 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.840 has been in the field of criminal psychology, and I'm 65 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.039 still active in that field, but I don't talk about 66 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.479 it much. And that's just one of those things that 67 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.240 just I really just don't discuss much. If somebody wants 68 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.360 to ask a question, I'd be happy to answer it. 69 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.039 I got into this mound stuff in nineteen eighty three, 70 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:00.000 after I've finished my first book, and it's a long, 71 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.680 involved story, I won't get to it, but it came 72 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:07.159 out of nowhere. My first book was called The Archetype Experience. 73 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:09.599 It came out in nineteen eighty four, and it was 74 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:13.360 a follow up to Carl Jung's final book, which was 75 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:18.319 called Flying Saucers, a modern myth of things seen in 76 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:24.120 the skies. And since nobody understood what Carl Jung said 77 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.279 in that book, or at least I'm saying nobody in 78 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:30.160 the UFO field seemed to understand it, I decided, as 79 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.920 a new young doctorate to go ahead and write the 80 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.360 book on it. So that was my first one, and 81 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:42.680 then I got into Mound's unexpectedly. I have a lot 82 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.079 of books and a lot of different topics. I've written 83 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:53.519 textbooks in psychopharmacology and criminal personality and personality theories and 84 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.759 just lots of different areas. But the Indian Mound stuff 85 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:04.959 culminated with the writing of this monstrous book. It's like 86 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:08.079 five hundred and some pages long, and it's called The 87 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:13.439 Illustrated Encyclopedia of Native American Mounds and Earthworks. Every page 88 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.920 is like this, and it goes through state by state, 89 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.120 and it's got like a thousand sites in it. And 90 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.720 this can't The first edition came out in two thousand 91 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:26.040 and eight. The one I just showed is the second edition, 92 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.360 and I can plug that because you can't buy it. 93 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.319 There are none of those available now. 94 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:32.399 I'm just going to ask JJ if you had one, 95 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:33.800 you better go get one. I guess he can. 96 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.639 Well, they're out of print, and I saw some. They 97 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.519 keep popping up now and then on Amazon, and people 98 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.839 are asking thousands of dollars for it. So what I've 99 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.800 been doing for the past roughly twelve months is writing 100 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.680 a new version of it, updating it. It appears to 101 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.199 be about eight hundred and fifty pages now and it's 102 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.279 actually a promise to some I'll call them Native American 103 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.480 spirits where that all began. But anyway, I'm an active professional, 104 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:05.839 but this is the side stuff. I've been in the 105 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.120 Ksey Organization a long time. It was actually the My 106 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:12.959 wife was the head of the Casey Organization for many 107 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.639 years and was on the board. Uh and we actually 108 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.199 ran the ares where we were the Ares Search for 109 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:24.360 Atlantis project for ten years in the Bahamas and the 110 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:28.199 Yucatan and uh so we did a lot. So wherever 111 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.680 you want to go with that, just quick quick question. 112 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.680 Do you know uh beat Selena a little. 113 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:35.759 Solanta. 114 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:37.920 Yeah, she was somebody that was on us showing them. 115 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.000 I don't know how far back, maybe it was before 116 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.639 your time. She was heavily involved in that Edgar Casey thing. 117 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.079 She lived there. I think for a minute, Well, there's 118 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:47.959 a lot of people heavily involved with the Casey organization. 119 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:52.879 Du Yeah, No, I don't know. My wife and I 120 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.839 were the editors of the Ancient Mysteries newsletter for many years. 121 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.519 Actually we started it and there I've written tons of 122 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.560 articles for it, as my wife has we spoke, we spoke, 123 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.839 it arranged and spoke the Ancient at the Ancient Mysteries 124 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.120 conference there for ten straight years. I just got tired 125 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:15.480 of doing talks. I don't do any public talks at 126 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.639 all anymore. Just don't want to, don't. 127 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:19.800 I was here, I was here for the mounds, but 128 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.480 I am a huge Edgar Casey fan. With the two 129 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:26.480 Ice Stone stuff really in relation, especially to Joseph Smith 130 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:27.600 and magical rocks. 131 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.279 So that's fascinating to me. And also I'm a. 132 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.319 Psychiatric nurse, so if you ever do talk about criminal psychology, 133 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.519 I'd love to chat with you about that one one day. 134 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:38.000 Okay. 135 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:38.759 Fascinating. 136 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.639 Well, the two I Stone, which very few people know about, 137 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:47.959 was a started out as a communication device between the 138 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.399 priests and priestesses of Atlantis. This is according to Casey's readings, 139 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.360 so I'm giving you Casey's information. But it started out 140 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.279 as this communication device where they would mentally tune themselves 141 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:07.079 and the crystal would move energy back and forth between 142 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.000 what Casey called the outer spheres and the people who 143 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.639 were mentally communicating with it. In fact, that, according to 144 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:19.199 Agar Casey, is how the priests of Atlantis found out 145 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.560 that Atlantis was going to be destroyed, and this was 146 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.279 in ten thousand BC, and told them to come up 147 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.240 with a plan to set up the three hall of Records. 148 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.039 The main one, of course, is in Egypt. That's the 149 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.840 one everybody knows about. But according to Casey, there were 150 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.120 three hall of Records that were identical in case one 151 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.600 of them got destroyed. So there's one in Egypt under 152 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.600 the Sphinx. There is one in the Yucatan at a 153 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:47.480 place called Piatris Nigris, Guatemala. And then there's another one 154 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:51.960 which is in the Bahamas, which when Casey gave the reading, 155 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.200 it wasn't called the Bahamas. 156 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:56.840 But he said Azarian. 157 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:03.039 He said it's near, and he said it would a 158 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:07.759 portion of the posidea would rise again in sixty eight 159 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.519 or sixty nine, meaning nineteen sixty eight or sixty nine. Uh. 160 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.200 And so that's what my wife and I did a 161 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:19.000 lot of underwater research with side scan sonar in that area, 162 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:24.039 mainly the area around Andros Island for roughly ten years. 163 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.120 I wrote a lot about it, wrote several books about it. 164 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.000 Just we do projects. And then it was fun. 165 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.799 I love this. I'm a huge Howard hughes NERD. 166 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:38.799 So oh yeah, so I love this. 167 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:40.799 I think it's fascinating. Thank you. 168 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.159 Anyone. Yeah, what did cake? 169 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.440 What was Casey's position on the mound builders? Well, I'm 170 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:49.559 not that. 171 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:55.960 That's how I actually got into actively into the Casey organization. 172 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.360 It always had an interest. Actually, Casey is mentioned in 173 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:03.759 psychology textbooks, and that's how I first found out about Casey. 174 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:10.120 It's because of his really his healing remedies, and according 175 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.799 to the American Medical Association, Agar Casey is the father 176 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:20.720 of holistic medicine in the United States. So anyway, my 177 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.360 wife and I went to Egypt with the Casey Organization 178 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.519 back in about nineteen ninety seven. I was not an 179 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:33.879 active member at the time, but we went there and 180 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.159 got to meet one of the directors, and the director 181 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.440 of the ARI found out about my interest in Indian mounds, 182 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.840 which I'd already written several books about Indian mounds, and 183 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.080 I was in the process of doing this monster at 184 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.399 the time. Of course, this took a long time to do. 185 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.080 And he said, hey, why don't you look at the 186 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:57.879 Edgar Casey readings on bound builders and compare what Casey 187 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:02.679 said to what is known at the time about Native 188 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:06.320 American mounds and history. And my answer was, I didn't 189 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.759 know Agar Casey did any readings on Native American mounds. 190 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.320 And again this is back in nineteen ninety seven, and 191 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:17.799 he said, yeah, so I did this research. Casey gave 192 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:24.320 sixty eight readings about Native American mounds and ancient history 193 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.720 in the Americas, but sixty eight readings specifically mentioned the 194 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:32.639 mound builders. Some of the things that he said is 195 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.720 that the mounds were built from the south up and 196 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:39.399 he said that in the late nineteen twenties and at 197 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:46.120 that time, really up until roughly nineteen ninety six or so, 198 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.799 this was true. What mainstream market marchaeology said is that 199 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:55.240 the mound builders began in the north and went south. 200 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.399 But Casey said in the nineteen twenties they began in 201 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.840 the south and went north, and of course that was 202 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:06.600 considered nonsense. Now that is the fact it began in 203 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.320 the south and went north. 204 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:12.399 He also is that exhibited by like Poverty Point, is 205 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:13.840 that one of the older south points. 206 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:18.960 Point the Poverty Point in around ninety the night till 207 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.679 the early nineteen nineties was really the first of the 208 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:27.679 culture sites. You're correct. There were mounds up north, two 209 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:31.679 different kinds. Some that were near the old copper culture, 210 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:34.799 in the glacial cane culture that's in like Minnesota and Michigan, 211 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.799 and then further to the east you have the red 212 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:42.360 paint people and they made really tiny mounds, and Poverty 213 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.440 Point dated to about eighteen hundred BC at the time. 214 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.639 But now we know that mounds were being built in 215 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:56.240 Louisiana starting in nine thousand BC. Wow, And we know 216 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.200 that there are and there are more mounds in Louisiana 217 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:02.600 the date to about six thousand BC, and a lot 218 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:05.960 in four thousand and forty five hundred BC. And as 219 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.679 you keep going north from southern Louisiana, it gets to 220 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:12.279 thirty five hundred BC, thirty seven hundred BC, then you 221 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.799 might get to two thousand BC, and then you're into 222 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:19.279 about fifteen hundred BC, and it just pops up everywhere. 223 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:22.840 And in South America, the oldest mound right now that's 224 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:28.080 known is a place called Isladel Tesoro, and it is 225 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.519 dated to eighty four hundred BC. So that's one of 226 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.360 the things Casey said that was absolutely crazy. When he 227 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.480 said it, it made no sense whatsoever. He said that 228 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:45.080 the mounds, though, were replicas of the experiences that people 229 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:49.000 had from Atlantis. And so, as far as I know, 230 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:55.759 Casey is the only one of the late eighteen hundreds 231 00:13:55.759 --> 00:14:01.240 early nineteen hundreds people like in Theosophy or some of 232 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:08.240 the alternative spiritual beliefs that said that the Native Americans 233 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.120 were the Atlanteans. Case he said point blank in his 234 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:17.919 readings that the Red Race were the Atlantians, and he 235 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:22.600 specifically mentioned the Iroquois, and he said that before Atlantis, 236 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.399 the final destruction of Atlantis around ten thousand BC occurred, 237 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.120 a number of Atlantians went, particularly to the northeast of America, 238 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.600 and they merged in with the Red race that was 239 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:40.799 already there, but they were the Atlantians. So he also 240 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:45.519 said that there were three big dispersions into North America. 241 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.240 One of them began in fifty thousand BC. People from 242 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:52.320 the South Pacific, that's the term that he used, came 243 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.200 mainly into South America, and then some of them moved 244 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.559 up into the western part, the southwest of the United States. 245 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.759 He said there was a The other intrusion into the 246 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.519 America is around twenty eight thousand BC, and then in 247 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:10.440 ten thousand BC there were loads of people, different people 248 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:14.039 that came in and that of course is when Beringia opened, 249 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:17.039 when the Bearing Straits let a lot of people from 250 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:21.080 Siberian Asia come over. And all those those are the 251 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:24.559 dates that he gave. And now at least the ten 252 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.639 thousand BC, which he said again in the nineteen twenties, 253 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:34.039 before Clovis and before the Folsom Points were found archaeology 254 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.879 at the time he said this believed there was no 255 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:42.240 one in the America's before six thousand BC. Up to 256 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:46.559 around the nineteen thirties and forties, archaeologists told us that 257 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:51.600 there was nobody here until about eight thousand years ago. Amazing. 258 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.840 So those are the sum of the things that Casey said. 259 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:59.120 I will say this in these books, Egar Casey's not 260 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.679 mentioned one time. I just there's just no reason to 261 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:06.320 do it, because I'm only covering what we know about 262 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.120 mounds and mound sites so people can go to them. 263 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.320 Uh So, you know, there's nothing in this book either 264 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.440 about criminal psychology. It's just it's irrelevant. Uh So I 265 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.120 try to keep all these things separate, so that. 266 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:23.200 What about sorry, what about the white tribe that started 267 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.200 They started with an A, but they would paint themselves red. 268 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:27.960 I can't remember the al. 269 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.399 There's a group called the leg Way. Hello, you know 270 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:33.879 what it's called? 271 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.120 M Well, no, not it was. 272 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.759 It's a shorter one. I'll find the name. But they 273 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.279 would paint themselves red, I guess. And they were said 274 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.960 to be pale, pale skinned, and I wonder sometimes also 275 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.240 if they may be part of the race that you know. 276 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.080 Well, okay, so no, it's all right, go ahead. What's 277 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:55.919 what's oh. 278 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:57.440 I was just going to say, there is a tradition 279 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:01.840 of using blood root to procure the red dye. So 280 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.879 this is something that I know you have talked about 281 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.880 mcmah hed and so this is something since I live 282 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.640 in that region now even though I'm not from here, 283 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.440 but that is a tradition from the region. It's like 284 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.839 Albinaki and mcmah all the way around in Massachusetts they 285 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.759 would paint with red blood root, which is a root 286 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:23.759 of Mars. 287 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.880 The natives of Wahaka do the same thing. They paint 288 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:27.680 themselves red. 289 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:32.720 Yeah. Well, I had mentioned earlier. In American archaeology they 290 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.640 talk about the red paint people that were mainly like 291 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.440 in Maine and New Hampshire and Vermont, and actually they 292 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.680 got into New York and parts of Pennsylvania, and red 293 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.480 was a very big deal, a big deal in burials 294 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.839 and a big deal in covering your body with it 295 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.559 as far as all these other intrusions. I am at 296 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.200 the point now as I've learned so much in the 297 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:00.160 past years, because I have a lot of archaeologists that 298 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:04.759 talk to me now they don't do so openly, but 299 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:10.079 what's happened in American archaeology there's a huge shift. Of course, 300 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:15.440 when Clovis was basically killed, there's actually still Clovis holdouts. 301 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.839 I wrote some did some Twitter posts on it, and 302 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:22.519 this was after a mainstream archaeologist told me there's still 303 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:28.000 archaeologists in academia arguing that Clovis was first. There was 304 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:32.279 nobody here before ten thousand BC. And it's a crazy 305 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:37.759 there's so much the overwhelming evidence, but things have dramatically shifted, 306 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.200 and the big shift is this, it's like everybody, almost 307 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:47.000 everybody knows about Kahokia. Kahokia is this massive mound site 308 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:52.759 in Cohokia, Illinois, which is about ten miles to the 309 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:58.000 east of Saint Louis, Missouri. Kahokia is most known because 310 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.640 it has this gigantic mound called Monk's Mound, the name 311 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:04.880 for when a monk lived on the top in historic times. 312 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:11.480 Monk's Mound one time covered seventeen acres. Now it now 313 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.880 covers fourteen acres, but it once covered seventeen acres. I'm 314 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.839 giving you that size because the Great Pyramid at Giza 315 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:24.440 covers thirteen acres. So Monk's Mound covers now fourteen acres. 316 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:28.480 After hundreds of years of erosion and archaeologists screwing it up. 317 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.480 It is one hundred feet tall. It's as tall as 318 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:34.720 a ten story building. That's the way to think of it. 319 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.759 So you got this mound that's a ten story building. 320 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.440 There's a stone, giant stone chamber inside of it that 321 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:47.640 wasn't discovered till nineteen ninety seven, and nobody knows what 322 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.359 it is or what's in it, and we probably will 323 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.440 never know, at least not in our lifetime because of 324 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.160 nagpra laws. That's another whole story. But there's a one 325 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.039 hundred and twenty mounds at Kahokia. Monks Mound is just 326 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:02.720 the biggest sorry question. 327 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:04.839 Oh no, I was. I just found the name. It's 328 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:05.960 the Adena people. 329 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:07.119 Oh yeah, the Adena. 330 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.400 Okay, okay, So I always to ask about that. 331 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.000 Next time, I was gonna ask what your thoughts from 332 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:13.480 the Who are the Adena? 333 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:18.279 Okay? Well? The Adena were the precursors to what's called Hope. Well, 334 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.240 so what you have are mound cultures. There's a series 335 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.720 of mound cultures. Like the Red Paint People are are 336 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:30.920 an early mound culture. So is poverty Point. There's actually 337 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:35.359 around fifty poverty points sites. Most people just think that 338 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.599 there's one site, but there's fifty poverty point sites and 339 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:43.720 then it goes into Adena. The Adena their mounds are 340 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:49.359 gigantic conical mounds. They can get up to eighty eighty 341 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.359 five feet tall and like a top of an ice 342 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.039 cream cone, like a big That's why they're called conical, 343 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:59.079 So they're big. Uh. They usually have stone chambers in 344 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:01.680 the base and loads of burials in them, and the 345 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:06.559 burials are generally pretty elaborate. Sometimes they have earthworks around them, 346 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.880 which means a huge ditch, maybe an outer wall around it, 347 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:14.880 an earthen wall. They started building those around two thousand BC, 348 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:18.000 that's the earliest. Most of them date to one thousand 349 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:23.119 BC to roughly two hundred BC, and then they transitioned 350 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:28.119 into the Hope Well. So the Adena people were the 351 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.240 people who built the Adena mounds, and the Adena Mounds 352 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:36.039 is simply it's a culture name from Adena, Ohio, which 353 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:39.960 was the name of the plantation near Chillicothe. That one 354 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:44.279 where the first mound of the Adena mound was excavated, 355 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.119 and it was a governor's house where they did it. 356 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:50.200 He had the mound on his land, so they called 357 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:54.920 it the Adena culture. Hope Well was also there and 358 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.839 near Chillicothe, and it was the Hopewell Plantation and the 359 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.599 Hope Well were the sort I guess the logical outcome 360 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:09.720 of the Edena, and they built these gigantic geometric earthworks, 361 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:14.559 some of which extend fifty six miles in length. The 362 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:19.720 largest geometric earthworks in the world are in the United States. 363 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:24.119 They start in Newark, Ohio, and they end in Chilicothe, Ohio. 364 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:29.400 That's another really long story. But the Adena, there are 365 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:34.880 some authors who say the Adena were white. I can 366 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:38.559 tell you that there have been quite a bit of 367 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:45.359 studies where they have taken the skeletal remains excavated from 368 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:49.880 Adena and Hope Well and Mississippian, which was the next group, 369 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.359 the next culture that came after the Hope Well. They 370 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:59.599 have taken those skeletons. They have removed both mitochondrial DNA 371 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.480 and new kittar DNA, which do kular DNA is human DNA, 372 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.000 and a lot of people don't understand mitochondrial DNA. But anyway, 373 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:09.839 I won't I won't get to take the rest of 374 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:13.519 the show. But they have tested them and their DNA 375 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:20.920 essentially is the same as the as the current descendants 376 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:23.480 of those people who are the Native American tribes or 377 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:27.279 the first peoples in Canada. First Peoples is the term 378 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:32.240 used in Canada. Now in America, most tribes do not 379 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:36.119 like the term first peoples because they want to argue 380 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.200 about who was first. And we know there's a lot 381 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.519 of movement, but they were here a long long time, 382 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.920 so I'm not a I do know this too, and 383 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.119 this is where I was going before the term Adena 384 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.359 came up. What's known is that there was a huge 385 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:58.400 intrusion of people around the year nine hundred, eight hundred 386 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:02.240 to nine hundred. They came into the Southwest at that 387 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:07.079 time from Yucatan, going across the Gulf of whatever you 388 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:09.440 want to call it. No matter what I say, when 389 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.319 I say that golf of you know what, somebody gets mad. 390 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:14.640 If I call it the Golf of Mexico. Somebody will say, no, 391 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.599 it's the Golf of America, and the other way around. 392 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:20.680 So there were people traveling from the Yucatan to what 393 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:24.599 we call Florida and to Louisiana. Some of them were 394 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.279 probably going around on land. They were traveling, they were 395 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:31.839 bringing culture, they were doing cultural and people exchanges. But 396 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.039 it was occurring on a massive level in the Southwest 397 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:39.079 this is now known. And this massive group of people 398 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:42.319 coming into the Southwest brought this culture with them, and 399 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.640 it was a culture of kings. You'll hear this. You'll 400 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.519 hear people talking about chiefs all the time. And the 401 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.119