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Speaker 2: Well guys, I know I say it every week, but
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Speaker 2: But got a just a banger line up for you guys.
Speaker 2: This is a well researched woman. This is a woman
Speaker 2: with some pedigree. Where's lots of hats, big brain Gal
Speaker 2: grew up cutting my teeth listening to her and her
Speaker 2: father and her brother. We've had her brother on. But
Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome to the show for the first time,
Speaker 2: hopefully the first of many, Donna Howell. Donna, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. It's actually a pleasure of
Speaker 3: mine to be here.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. Yeah, I was talking to your brother.
Speaker 2: We've had a couple of conversations on the show. I'm like,
Speaker 2: Mahn SkyWatch. That is something that when I was just
Speaker 2: a I was a grown man, but I was an
Speaker 2: infant Christian, you know, seeing this whole you know, thing
Speaker 2: of the Bible and this ancient world and a whole
Speaker 2: new light, and you guys were kind of my training wheel.
Speaker 2: So I definitely appreciate the work that you guys do.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 5: I think that the work that we do is It's
Speaker 5: funny because my father, he would always shy away from
Speaker 5: the word prophet.
Speaker 3: He'd say, no, don't call me a prophet.
Speaker 5: And that's because that term is really, really heavily misused
Speaker 5: in today's church. But what he was bringing about back
Speaker 5: in the nineteen eighties, he's saying, why does everybody say
Speaker 5: that the Bible doesn't have anything to say about, you know,
Speaker 5: aliens and what demons are up to today and what.
Speaker 3: Our world is going to look like politically soon.
Speaker 5: And he was like dealing with all those SkyWatch type
Speaker 5: Inachian worldview figures and facts way back in the eighties,
Speaker 5: and everybody was like, this guy is absolutely nuts, But
Speaker 5: to me, he was just dad.
Speaker 3: So fast forward.
Speaker 5: SkyWatch is born out of this what most people are
Speaker 5: calling it, prophetic vision of.
Speaker 3: Tom And now what now the whole world is going?
Speaker 5: Could Jesus be an alien? What's the Vatican up to?
Speaker 5: What is the Antichrist going to do tomorrow? And there's
Speaker 5: like all these works that are lined up.
Speaker 3: So that's great.
Speaker 5: I'm actually very glad to hear that it's reaching young
Speaker 5: people as well.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, and just don before we get too deep
Speaker 2: into our conversation today for those that maybe are new
Speaker 2: to this space, new Christians or something like that, and
Speaker 2: they've not been introduced to you, just kind of give
Speaker 2: an introduction. You know, who you are, what you do,
Speaker 2: fields of speciality, just kind of give everybody a feel
Speaker 2: of who Donna is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, So I actually have I'm the best
Speaker 5: selling author. I have written books that you may or
Speaker 5: may not have heard of before.
Speaker 3: Genesis is one where we dealt with everything from the
Speaker 3: gap theory.
Speaker 5: It kind of just goes through the whole cosmological story
Speaker 5: of how the world came to be and what happened
Speaker 5: in the earliest days. And it does something I've never
Speaker 5: seen any other Christian media do, and that is that
Speaker 5: it takes Old Earth views science and theistic evolution and
Speaker 5: Young Earth views, and it kind of looks at all
Speaker 5: the different things and it pulls out what does harmonize
Speaker 5: with scripture and what doesn't harmonize with scripture, And at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, it says, there's a way
Speaker 5: of looking at this that you never even imagined. And
Speaker 5: when the angels fell, which we know they did, the
Speaker 5: Bible is clear about that the earth was their domain.
Speaker 5: Luciferian Earth that there is no biblical doubt about that
Speaker 5: it became a place of waste, and that's where we
Speaker 5: pick up in Genesis one. But what happened before is
Speaker 5: also hinted at throughout scripture. Very fascinating narrative of that
Speaker 5: actually finally brings the ancient Earth the Young Earth. All
Speaker 5: the evidence is true in this view, and it marries
Speaker 5: itself into a place that's also biblical and scripture.
Speaker 3: It is very cool. It was a cool project.
Speaker 5: It also explains a lot of what was going on
Speaker 5: in those ancient ruins like Go.
Speaker 3: Beckley Tepe Bailback. So it's a really neat project.
Speaker 5: That was one of the things that I was known for,
Speaker 5: But just a lot of other books that you know,
Speaker 5: I've kind of helped contribute to or written on my own.
Speaker 5: I wrote Handmaiden's Conspiracy, which deals with the woman's biblical
Speaker 5: right to teach, preach, be a leader in the church.
Speaker 5: I also did Destination Earth, which systematically breaks down the
Speaker 5: incompatibilities between Jesus's nature and the nature of extraterrestrial life.
Speaker 5: Since there appears to be a rise in the et
Speaker 5: religion crowd that believes that Jesus Christ might have been
Speaker 5: some kind of extraterrestrial intelligence. So there's all kinds of
Speaker 5: what some people would very endearingly call the fringe type.
Speaker 3: Work that I've done. And so that's kind of where
Speaker 3: I've been.
Speaker 5: And I also host the Donna Howell Show on YouTube
Speaker 5: Roku all the different places related to SkyWatch, and yeah,
Speaker 5: just a part of the SkyWatch team.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. And for those that's not read that book
Speaker 2: on Genesis, that was an amazing book. I really really
Speaker 2: enjoyed the I got the audible on that when I
Speaker 2: was listening to it at work, but I absolutely loved that.
Speaker 2: And like you said, it just ties together everything so
Speaker 2: beautifully in a pretty bow. And when you do that,
Speaker 2: it gets rid of the red line for faith and science,
Speaker 2: because you know a lot of the Young Earth creationists
Speaker 2: they draw that red line and say, oh, that's the
Speaker 2: secular view, it doesn't correlate to the Bible. But when
Speaker 2: you do that, man, those two just kind of go
Speaker 2: hand in glove. So it's really nice to see people
Speaker 2: with different points of view and be able to reconcile
Speaker 2: the word with science because I believe God is a scientist.
Speaker 2: He's the greatest scientist.
Speaker 3: The master scientist.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and just to collapse because there's this is definitely
Speaker 5: not a show that we're going to do before Genesis.
Speaker 5: That is definitely a loaded show for another day, and
Speaker 5: I'm open minded to that.
Speaker 3: But to collapse it because you might have people.
Speaker 5: Saying, how can the earth be old and young at
Speaker 5: the same time. Well, that is what is known as
Speaker 5: the restitution theory or the restoration theory, and it essentially
Speaker 5: says that God originally created something wonderful and good.
Speaker 3: The angels originally way before Genesis.
Speaker 5: The fallen angels destroyed what was there.
Speaker 3: God recreated it in the time of Adam.
Speaker 5: So we have a new kind of a new earth
Speaker 5: layer over the top of the old earth layer. And
Speaker 5: if a person sitting there going on is the most
Speaker 5: insane thing I've ever heard, why would God make a
Speaker 5: new Earth? Well he does it again in Revelation. So
Speaker 5: it's kind of a cyclical thing we're saying, So not
Speaker 5: that unbelievable, especially when you take the scripture into two account.
Speaker 3: But again, you and I we had probably heard about
Speaker 3: this for an hour and loose focus. I apologize. That's
Speaker 3: the book in a nutshell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But one thing that we're going to dive into
Speaker 2: today is actually really excited to hear your thoughts and
Speaker 2: point of view on this. And I'll be honest, I've
Speaker 2: resisted getting on SkyWatch TV and looking up discussions and
Speaker 2: you talking about this because I wanted it to be
Speaker 2: fresh to me and my listeners at the same time.
Speaker 2: But it's honestly something that's correlating to I wouldn't say,
Speaker 2: you know, prophetic messages, but just what God has been
Speaker 2: putting on my heart and the message that I've been
Speaker 2: given for like the past year is you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a really rough guy. I'm a rough I'm a rough
Speaker 2: round the edges guy. You know, I've covering tattoos and
Speaker 2: facial hair, and I don't fit into that little square
Speaker 2: peg of you know, Christianity as some people like to
Speaker 2: put it, uh, And I've caught a lot of flack
Speaker 2: over it. People tell me that, you know, you do this,
Speaker 2: you look like that, you shouldn't be talking about the
Speaker 2: Word of God, and you call yourself a Christian all
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. And I've told people, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, in the very least, I believe God has
Speaker 2: put me in this position to reach the rough around
Speaker 2: the edges people like and because when you look through
Speaker 2: the Bible, Peter or Paul, these guys were tax collectors,
Speaker 2: they foiled prostitutes. These were the rough around the edges
Speaker 2: people because they would go beyond what they were asked
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 5: Absolutely no, we have had what I'm referring to as
Speaker 5: the messy ones from the very beginning. Now, that's what
Speaker 5: I call this message every time I preach, it is
Speaker 5: the messy ones.
Speaker 3: And I want to be really really clear.
Speaker 5: That when I say that, I'm using it because historically
Speaker 5: there was a moment where the Jesus freaks, remember them
Speaker 5: from the Jesus People movement in the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 5: They were rough around the edges and they walked around barefoot,
Speaker 5: and it was like every time you saw them. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's even a cliche in modern media that when you
Speaker 5: see them in a movie, you almost expect a character
Speaker 5: to be like, get a job, get a haircut, you hippie,
Speaker 5: you know, make something of your life. You bum all
Speaker 5: of this because they just did have an alternative lifestyle,
Speaker 5: and so they looked messy to the pretty people, the
Speaker 5: perfect people in the church, right well, the Church of
Speaker 5: the pretty People cyclically.
Speaker 3: Dies What I mean by that is it goes in
Speaker 3: a loop.
Speaker 5: You have a generation that appreciates, you know, moral upstanding.
Speaker 5: They fix a lot of what's wrong in their culture
Speaker 5: and their society, and they stand for what is right
Speaker 5: or whatever, and their children kind of inherit this place
Speaker 5: and it's the prettier that we know the right way
Speaker 5: to live, and it becomes.
Speaker 3: A little bit of an arrogant thing.
Speaker 5: And then later on there comes another another generation underneath
Speaker 5: that that kind of doesn't understand completely what was built
Speaker 5: by the blood, sweat and tears of their parents, and
Speaker 5: they just inherit this beautiful world.
Speaker 3: See I was one of those.
Speaker 5: I inherited the beautiful world that the baby boomers in
Speaker 5: my parents' generation built from me. They did all of
Speaker 5: the proper voting, they did, they stood up for what
Speaker 5: was right. They built a beautiful America, and I just
Speaker 5: inherited it. I'm actually one of the old older sisters
Speaker 5: of the millennial generation.
Speaker 3: By two months, I'm a millennial by two months.
Speaker 5: Otherwise I would have I've a bit a little bit
Speaker 5: too old to be the millennial.
Speaker 3: So I'm kind of a big sister of the millennial generation.
Speaker 5: And I can see this cyclical process because a lot
Speaker 5: of the people that were my age grew up with.
Speaker 3: This entitlement mentality.
Speaker 5: We are conservative, you know, Evangelical Christians, so we are
Speaker 5: better and prettier than those people over there who are messy,
Speaker 5: And don't we look amazing?
Speaker 3: And don't we look beautiful?
Speaker 5: The Church of the pretty People is the one I
Speaker 5: grew up in, and it made me sick because I
Speaker 5: was reading scripture and my dad taught me right.
Speaker 3: That's another thing.
Speaker 5: The great Tom Horn of SkyWatch TV, the best selling author,
Speaker 5: the guy who was not afraid to deal with the
Speaker 5: weird questions, the fringe questions, the questions that his generation's
Speaker 5: messy ones were asking. Was this was the man who
Speaker 5: raised me and said, look, if the minutes you think
Speaker 5: you're prettier.
Speaker 3: Than someone else are better than someone else, then you
Speaker 3: need to be convicted. You've got to grow up.
Speaker 5: That is the moment that you have arrived at a
Speaker 5: place where conviction's the only thing that can save you,
Speaker 5: because at that point you.
Speaker 3: Are just lost in your own arrogance spiel.
Speaker 5: So this is why I call it the messy ones
Speaker 5: are coming because I want to I almost want to
Speaker 5: do something that's kind of approaches from a weird angle
Speaker 5: that nobody sees coming.
Speaker 3: But it came to me in the moment. I was
Speaker 3: preaching a sermon live.
Speaker 5: And I said, we think we're so beautiful, we think
Speaker 5: we've got it all figured out. But there's a generation coming.
Speaker 5: They don't look like us, they don't talk like us.
Speaker 5: They're going to walk in with dreadlocks, gauged piercings, tattoos,
Speaker 5: all the things.
Speaker 3: And there is going to be an entire generation of Christians.
Speaker 5: Young people that look at that and go cool.
Speaker 3: I relate to that.
Speaker 5: But all the old suits are going to be left
Speaker 5: behind in the dust. They're going to be the ones
Speaker 5: calling these people the messy ones. Well listen, they might
Speaker 5: be called the messy ones by the pretty people. So
Speaker 5: the messy ones are coming. But this is the moment
Speaker 5: in time, and this is what I'm so passionate about.
Speaker 3: This is the moment in time where the old suit
Speaker 3: have a choice. We can accept, embrace, mentor love, or
Speaker 3: we can be kicked out of the church by the
Speaker 3: next generation that's taking over. It is going to be
Speaker 3: a radical fire. There's a great awakening coming. We already are.
Speaker 5: In the beginning phases of it. I see it again.
Speaker 5: I study cyclical history. I see the patterns, every single trigger.
Speaker 3: The writing is on the wall.
Speaker 5: We are getting ready to see a radical movement of
Speaker 5: God inside and outside of the church, which we can
Speaker 5: talk about the differences that that implies.
Speaker 3: In a minute. But when this happens, there is going
Speaker 3: to be droves.
Speaker 5: Of people, young people who come from a completely different
Speaker 5: line of life, a different walk of life than we
Speaker 5: pretty people in the church can even relate to. So
Speaker 5: now is the time to make the decision. When they come?
Speaker 5: Will you relate to them when they come? Will you
Speaker 5: mentor them when they come? Will you love on them,
Speaker 5: hold them and bring them into the fold and be
Speaker 5: there as an older of steadiness and support and scriptural knowledge,
Speaker 5: dividing the.
Speaker 3: Word of God rightly?
Speaker 5: Or are you going to stand there and go I
Speaker 5: don't know. These young people are messy. I don't get it.
Speaker 5: Because we might call them the anointed ones, but God
Speaker 5: is going to call them. We might call them the
Speaker 5: messy ones, but God is going to call them his anointed,
Speaker 5: and He is going to say, touch not my anointed.
Speaker 5: They're coming, whether we like it or not. The Christian
Speaker 5: Church is not going to look the way it did before,
Speaker 5: with every single woman in a skirt and santan ylons
Speaker 5: and every guy in a suit and tie. It's just
Speaker 5: not The sermons are not going to be delivered in
Speaker 5: the same rhythm and the same motion. They're going to
Speaker 5: be what an older generation would look at and consider
Speaker 5: having messy subjects in a sermon because of the fact
Speaker 5: that they're dealing with They're dealing with all kinds of
Speaker 5: dirt and grit that we normally would never even have
Speaker 5: to deal with in my generation, You're going to be
Speaker 5: dealing with drug addict sermons. How do we save how
Speaker 5: do we reach the drug addict? Well, you can't reach
Speaker 5: them unless you know what they're going through. You can't
Speaker 5: reach them or even connect with them unless you understand
Speaker 5: what their testimony is, which means there's going to be
Speaker 5: things that are spoken in a corporate setting from the
Speaker 5: pulpit that are going to be shocking to an older generation.
Speaker 5: That the church used to be the place where a
Speaker 5: person could bring their baggage and display it and say
Speaker 5: I need help. Now the church has become a place
Speaker 5: where the person with baggage, the person with hurt, the
Speaker 5: person with scars and internal turmoil, says I already feel
Speaker 5: bad enough about myself, why would I go to church?
Speaker 5: You see how that flipped and became its own opposite. Okay,
Speaker 5: so church has become the contronym of the century. It's
Speaker 5: no longer the place where a person can come in
Speaker 5: with their hurt and their pain and be reached. It
Speaker 5: is now the place where a person with pain has
Speaker 5: to avoid completely. And that is where we have completely
Speaker 5: lost everything that we've lost sight of everything. If a
Speaker 5: sermon needs to deal with some really mess see subjects,
Speaker 5: it can be done in a tactful way, but it
Speaker 5: needs to deal with them.
Speaker 3: This is the generation that's coming. So that's that is.
Speaker 5: The basis, and we could We've got a lot of
Speaker 5: different places we could go with that in the next hour.
Speaker 2: M amen, she's on fire. I don't even want to
Speaker 2: interrupt that. But you were talking about the different the
Speaker 2: generations and the uh you know, the the Jesus Freak
Speaker 2: movement and things like that. That's something that really stood
Speaker 2: out to me when I when I watched that show,
Speaker 2: It's like, man, these total outsiders just came in and
Speaker 2: just turned this whole thing upside down and set the
Speaker 2: fields on fire. But in a good way. Uh. But
Speaker 2: with the generational gaps that you know that we see
Speaker 2: far as you know, the uh, the pretty ones and
Speaker 2: the messy ones. Uh, what kind of you know, stigmas
Speaker 2: or social programming or just social norms. What is the
Speaker 2: difference between those two that is just making this huge chasm?
Speaker 2: And is there a way to to you.
Speaker 5: Not the two there's a generational gap, but a lot
Speaker 5: of times generational gaps can actually be successfully closed by
Speaker 5: both sides. Okay, it's not just the duty of the
Speaker 5: older generation to try to connect with the younger, but
Speaker 5: that's the first step that should be taken. And if
Speaker 5: the older generation wants to consider itself more mature than
Speaker 5: come on, let's rip the band aid off and call
Speaker 5: it what it is.
Speaker 3: They need to be the one to make the first move.
Speaker 5: But it is also necessary for a younger generation to
Speaker 5: try to meet in the middle and mature understanding the
Speaker 5: things that can cause a generational gap.
Speaker 3: So you're talking.
Speaker 5: About the things that today's young people are going through
Speaker 5: that the older generation can't even fathom. I've got a
Speaker 5: list here, and this is, by the way, just a
Speaker 5: short list. If I was to write a book on this,
Speaker 5: which I'm considering doing. But if I was to write
Speaker 5: a book on this, this list would be so much longer.
Speaker 5: This is just the bare minimum they are. Today's young
Speaker 5: people are the most fatherless generation in history.
Speaker 3: Absolutely fathers out of the picture.
Speaker 5: So many people have not even necessarily made the choice
Speaker 5: to have children, but that happened because they made relationship
Speaker 5: decisions and now there's a child brought into it and
Speaker 5: the father books it. So today's generation is also thanks
Speaker 5: to uptakes in substance abuse and a lot of different
Speaker 5: kinds of relationship dysfunction dynamics that we're dealing with on
Speaker 5: the daily, as well as a culture that puts so
Speaker 5: much emphasis on feeling romance instead of making decisions that
Speaker 5: are well rounded about the person that you think you
Speaker 5: should be with long term. Now we are also looking
Speaker 5: at what might be the most motherless generation. And I
Speaker 5: say that because, yeah, the mother is still in the
Speaker 5: picture a lot of times, but she's usually a or
Speaker 5: she's often a single mom. She's a trying to work
Speaker 5: several different jobs, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: if she's allowed anything, she might go out with their
Speaker 5: girlfriends and try to bring home another boyfriend. We're dealing
Speaker 5: with a young generation that is not only the most
Speaker 5: fatherless generation humanity's ever known, or at least the Western
Speaker 5: world has ever known, we're looking at what is also
Speaker 5: ironically the most motherless generation. Because she might be there,
Speaker 5: but she's not there. She might be present, but she's
Speaker 5: somewhere else, and Grandma's and Grandpa's and that may not
Speaker 5: always be a bad thing. By the way, that Grandma's
Speaker 5: and Grandpa's might be a little bit more interactive with
Speaker 5: the grand babies too, So keep that in mind. If
Speaker 5: you're an older person you're thinking about that, this could
Speaker 5: be your chance to really connect with a child that
Speaker 5: maybe could be considered parentless, even if not directly.
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Speaker 5: There are all kinds of identity dysphoria ideologies around now. Listen,
Speaker 5: people hear me say that, and they think they know
Speaker 5: which one I'm talking about. Trust me, No, it's not
Speaker 5: just this one cute little thing that Christians like to
Speaker 5: point out and say, Well, you know, there's ideologies about
Speaker 5: dysphoria and identity going on over here. There's many, many, many, many,
Speaker 5: many dysphoria ideologies that are perpetuating the idea that we
Speaker 5: should question who we are and what we are before
Speaker 5: we've even gotten too kindergarten, so much to the point
Speaker 5: that we have already listen to this, we've already psychologically
Speaker 5: entered a pattern of internal identity crisis before we've ever
Speaker 5: even got to about.
Speaker 3: The second grade.
Speaker 5: Now, this could be scientifically psychologically backed up.
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of things that prove this.
Speaker 5: So if this is where the evidence leads, we're looking
Speaker 5: at the idea that a second or third grader today
Speaker 5: might be, depending on their circumstances and depending on who's
Speaker 5: pouring into them or not.
Speaker 3: At home, dealing with an identity crisis.
Speaker 5: That somebody wouldn't have dealt with until they're mid thirties
Speaker 5: to late forties. I mean, that is such an unbelievable
Speaker 5: psychological anomaly.
Speaker 3: We've never seen that before.
Speaker 5: But it's thanks to the fact that the West has
Speaker 5: this ideology that continues to perpetuate.
Speaker 3: We need to question who we are what we are.
Speaker 5: You can't just come in and stand on something solid
Speaker 5: long enough to later ask those questions when it's more appropriate.
Speaker 5: That is the identity movements confusing everybody. We've got many,
Speaker 5: many young people being raised by or heavily on tech devices.
Speaker 3: Now, this is a big one.
Speaker 5: Estimated sixty of young people around or under the age
Speaker 5: of twelve right now twelve are considered so many hours
Speaker 5: in their own little world with a tech device, a phone,
Speaker 5: a tablet, whatever. That that is what we are considering
Speaker 5: an estimated approximate sixty percent of young people completely raising
Speaker 5: themselves on digital device. Okay, Now that also puts us
Speaker 5: in a position where we are dealing with what will
Speaker 5: be the most unbelievable trends in pornography. I'm not going
Speaker 5: to go into detail. I will not say I want
Speaker 5: tell else. I don't want to give anybody any ideas here,
Speaker 5: but we will be dealing with pornography in a way
Speaker 5: that is instant access to.
Speaker 3: People of all ages, people of all.
Speaker 5: Any walk of life. They've got their phone in their pocket, They've.
Speaker 3: Got access to pornography.
Speaker 5: We've got artificial intelligence creating all kinds of strange things,
Speaker 5: everything from deep fake to complete Sora identified one AI
Speaker 5: generated imagery that trends informed that we've never eaten.
Speaker 3: We can't even possibly prepare for this. We're there. So
Speaker 3: we're looking at a generation that's going to be affected
Speaker 3: by that trend. Do you want to say something?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, one present and one thing I was want
Speaker 2: to say too, is just all the little nuanced programming
Speaker 2: things that they put into these children's shows. I can't
Speaker 2: count the times that I've seen parents, you know, do
Speaker 2: a short or a TikTok reel or something and show,
Speaker 2: you know, like a ten or twelve second clip inside
Speaker 2: of their kids. I can't remember that something Pig Peggy
Speaker 2: the Pig or something like that show. And there's a
Speaker 2: homosexual act there, yes, And just all these different shows
Speaker 2: they keep putting all these you know, homosexual acts and
Speaker 2: little things in there to try to precondition and program
Speaker 2: and desensitize these children, and they think that it's normal.
Speaker 2: And then you have these superstars that you know, they're
Speaker 2: liberal and they raise their children and they'll have three children,
Speaker 2: and three of them will I'll be gay and trance.
Speaker 2: I mean, what is the probability of that? Know, these
Speaker 2: parents are pushing these things on their children.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Well, and here's the thing, I'm probably I'm probably more
Speaker 5: conservative in my stance theologically about a lot of these
Speaker 5: kinds of ideologies that you're talking about. So in case
Speaker 5: somebody is listening to me and they're wondering if I
Speaker 5: take a more liberal theological stance, I do not. However,
Speaker 5: I will say that even if somebody wanted to make
Speaker 5: the very secularistic argument, the very secular argument, that these
Speaker 5: are questions.
Speaker 3: We should be asking, you know, who am I? What
Speaker 3: am I? What am I attracted to? What? You know?
Speaker 3: What does it or does not do it for me?
Speaker 5: Intellectually speaking, when I'm having a conversation with the person,
Speaker 5: all these different things that lead to the question of
Speaker 5: integrity and intelligence of a person, all the things related
Speaker 5: to identity. When those questions are brought up, a person
Speaker 5: might say, with the very secular minds that we should
Speaker 5: be asking those things because everything else is blind acceptance
Speaker 5: of what society has told us.
Speaker 3: That's a big leading narrative, right, Okay, Even if that were.
Speaker 5: True, psychology, secular psychology, having nothing to do with Christianity
Speaker 5: or theology, has identified that those questions are now being
Speaker 5: asked way too young, that we need to instead go
Speaker 5: back to a time where young people were brought in
Speaker 5: and being told, look, this is what you were born as.
Speaker 5: If you want to change that or question that, stand
Speaker 5: on what you are for a bit, lean into what
Speaker 5: you are for a bit. If you're already rejecting what
Speaker 5: you were born to be by the time you are
Speaker 5: a kindergartener, then you never gave what or who you
Speaker 5: were ever a chance, And you surelee never gave a
Speaker 5: chance to what God might have to say about what
Speaker 5: He created you to be and be brought into the
Speaker 5: greatness of what is His divine plan for you. You know,
Speaker 5: one of the things that kind of just irks me
Speaker 5: a little bit. We get this verse all messed up,
Speaker 5: messed up in the church, that God will give you
Speaker 5: the desires of your heart. Listen, I have studied that
Speaker 5: verse all the contributing languages, all the etymological roots of
Speaker 5: every single word. I have parsed that verse a million
Speaker 5: times and looked at every single time that the historical greats.
Speaker 5: I'm talking the scholars, the commentators, I'm talking to church fathers,
Speaker 5: the historians, all of the greats throughout history that have
Speaker 5: said what this verse means and cross references to other
Speaker 5: moments in the Bible that are relevant to parsing its meaning.
Speaker 5: It does not mean this selfish thing that the Western
Speaker 5: world has made it, where God is going to give
Speaker 5: me what I want. Much to the contrary, once you
Speaker 5: really break it down.
Speaker 3: That verse means this God from birth gave you.
Speaker 5: Something that is a gift that is used for his purposes,
Speaker 5: and you will want for that thing in the deepest
Speaker 5: of your soul and the subconscious of your mind and
Speaker 5: your heart of hearts. You will want for that and
Speaker 5: hunger for that way to connect with the Divine and
Speaker 5: use that gifting for his purposes.
Speaker 3: And he gave it to you already.
Speaker 5: So if you're not using that gift for the Lord,
Speaker 5: then you are already going to experience a never ending
Speaker 5: hunger and thirst. You're never going to be happy with
Speaker 5: who you are, So how backwards have we gotten this?
Speaker 5: God will give you the desire of your heart. He
Speaker 5: already has. He instilled it within you before you were
Speaker 5: ever born. He instilled it within you before you had
Speaker 5: physical hairs to count on your head, of which he
Speaker 5: has counted everyone before you ever entered your mother's womb.
Speaker 5: The Lord had a plan for your life Jeremiah twenty
Speaker 5: nine to eleven. The Lord has a plan for you
Speaker 5: to prosper and not to fail in what he has
Speaker 5: called you to do. So, the Lord will give you
Speaker 5: the desires of your heart. Yes, he already did. Get
Speaker 5: in touch with what he has called you to be,
Speaker 5: and then take that gift and use it for his purposes.
Speaker 3: Get close to the divine. It's gonna unlock something within you. Listen.
Speaker 5: It's not new age madness. It's not there's no formula.
Speaker 5: We're talking about a young generation that is going to
Speaker 5: be so broken that what I just said that full run.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry if I'm just preaching, But if you get.
Speaker 5: That and hand it to a young person and get
Speaker 5: that to sink in to all past all the pain,
Speaker 5: past all the heartache, past all of the hurt, that
Speaker 5: can we just be honest I think church has had
Speaker 5: a lot to do with that, the hurt and the
Speaker 5: religious abuse, the judgmentalism the old suits. Not only that,
Speaker 5: but the church has also become a place that young
Speaker 5: people they can't rely on biblical teaching.
Speaker 3: They can't it's like they can see past it.
Speaker 5: They don't necessarily have one hundred percent knowledge of what
Speaker 5: the Bible says. But when they enter a place of
Speaker 5: worship and the sermon is very superficial, and the worship
Speaker 5: is very MEMI mean, gimme, gimme, I want, I want,
Speaker 5: I need, I want, and it's all about me, and
Speaker 5: we're just kind of saying flowery words.
Speaker 3: When the worship is.
Speaker 5: Pancake thin and the sermon is pancake thin, and the
Speaker 5: church becomes a social club. Listen, you don't have to
Speaker 5: know what the Bible says. A young person can feel
Speaker 5: superficiality and it tastes like bile to them. Meanwhile, we
Speaker 5: want to look down at them and be the pretty people.
Speaker 5: So there's judgmentalism from the old suits. There's a lack
Speaker 5: of true biblical teaching. There is an over emphasis on
Speaker 5: love or sin. By the way, this is referred to
Speaker 5: as Antinomianism versus legalism in theology, and it's a big deal.
Speaker 3: We have to find that sweet spot in the middle.
Speaker 5: Legalism is, you know, we're going to hold you accountable
Speaker 5: like the Pharisees did. Did you wash your hands right?
Speaker 5: Did you put the cap back on the toothpaste bottle right?
Speaker 5: Whereas Antinomianism is God is so loving and all loving
Speaker 5: and all love, love, love, love, that we can do
Speaker 5: all kinds of things and just come to Him for
Speaker 5: his forgiveness and grace because he's just cool like that.
Speaker 3: Bruh.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is is that even Paul said God
Speaker 5: forbid that he would work that way, then no, no,
Speaker 5: we should not sin more abundantly so that his grace
Speaker 5: can abound. This is a sweet spot in the middle.
Speaker 5: We've got a hit and young people need that boundary.
Speaker 3: Watch this.
Speaker 5: You take a child, you take away all of their boundaries,
Speaker 5: give them anything they want.
Speaker 3: What are they gonna do.
Speaker 5: They're gonna live on McDonald's and candy. They are going
Speaker 5: to scream every time they don't get what they want.
Speaker 5: I could go on this list, but I don't need to.
Speaker 5: Your listeners are intelligent enough to understand a child without
Speaker 5: boundaries as a child out of control. Societally, a young
Speaker 5: generation without boundaries is a young generation out of control.
Speaker 5: They are going to continue to feel entitled to everything
Speaker 5: and throw fits when they don't get what they want.
Speaker 3: So they need boundaries. No, you can't have that.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is a sin. No you can't do this
Speaker 5: to yourself. It's going to have consequences later. Do the
Speaker 5: smart thing, be wise. These are the things we need
Speaker 5: to pour into them. But if we go too far,
Speaker 5: we've hit that legalistic mark. We don't like you because
Speaker 5: you have tattoos. Please go smoke your cancer sticks fifteen
Speaker 5: feet more away from the building.
Speaker 3: Hello. Somewhere in the middle is a sweet spot. And
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: Feel like there's a lot of very superficial Christians right
Speaker 5: now that are saying, I just I can't bring myself
Speaker 5: to care.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: On the outside, they're going to do all the flowery things.
Speaker 5: They're going to give you the line, oh praise Jesus.
Speaker 5: I want them to come to our church. I love
Speaker 5: I hope that we need our church to grow, you know,
Speaker 5: and we need to be there for Sally Sue blah
Speaker 5: blah blah. But at the end of the day, They're
Speaker 5: going to do a lot of very irritating things, things
Speaker 5: that I believe, and I don't want to speak for God,
Speaker 5: things that I believe the Lord will personally find very irritating.
Speaker 3: Like a prayer request.
Speaker 5: That's a prayer request, but really it's just gossip shrouded
Speaker 5: as a prayer request.
Speaker 3: We need to be there for sister Susi.
Speaker 5: And by the way, now that we're talking about Sister Susie,
Speaker 5: here's all the.
Speaker 3: Things she did.
Speaker 5: It's just like, we need to find that place where
Speaker 5: true humility and true love meets with that next generation.
Speaker 5: And boy, when we do, we're not going to just
Speaker 5: see a revival. We are going to see a great awakening.
Speaker 2: Mmm. Well, you already chipped into the next thing I
Speaker 2: was going to ask, because even with me, you know,
Speaker 2: we we've talked about revival quiet a bit, and then
Speaker 2: you've mentioned great awakening. Just by the adjective great, I
Speaker 2: assume that that is bigger, something more broad with those
Speaker 2: two terms. I mean, what exactly is the difference? I
Speaker 2: know when that term is used. A name that pops
Speaker 2: into my mind is like Billy Graham. You know, he
Speaker 2: was traveling the nation and preaching, doing the tent revival stuff.
Speaker 2: But I could be wrong, but that's what pops in
Speaker 2: my head when I hear that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so there's a merry war going between different society.
Speaker 3: Societal groups that would say that the Billy.
Speaker 5: Graham era was or was not a great awakening because
Speaker 5: and here's the big stipulator, it didn't necessarily spread beyond
Speaker 5: the US, because that's what would consider something great. But listen,
Speaker 5: let's put technical terms aside for a minute, just based
Speaker 5: on what the actual words are describing from when they
Speaker 5: were first coined.
Speaker 3: We have three terms here and I'll hit them real quick.
Speaker 5: Revival, great awakening, and then we've got a third one reformation. Okay,
Speaker 5: now a revival. They all match their words. This is
Speaker 5: how you can remember because they're literally named after what
Speaker 5: I'm about to say. A revival is a reviving of
Speaker 5: the saints. That means those who are already saved, the
Speaker 5: people who are already believers, they get revived in the spirit,
Speaker 5: They get excited about God again, they get real about
Speaker 5: being in the presence of God, and they say, let's
Speaker 5: reach this next generation. Okay, So a revival and a
Speaker 5: great awakening often happened hand in hand and one usually
Speaker 5: will spawn the other, and it's usually revival then great awakening.
Speaker 5: We're all you could say that there's already a revival happening.
Speaker 5: It's just happening outside the church. I see more Bible
Speaker 5: studies happening in tattoo parlors right now and cigar smoke
Speaker 5: filled bars than I do in church. These people are
Speaker 5: radical about Jesus. They just know that in most of
Speaker 5: the cases they can't find Jesus in church, so they
Speaker 5: go elsewhere to find him. So there is a little
Speaker 5: bit of a revival happening. It's just that we're not
Speaker 5: seeing it, but we are seeing the movement occurring. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's revival. Great awakening. Great awakening is when, as the
Speaker 5: name implies, it's great meaning massive meaning far spread, usually
Speaker 5: global into some degree at least semi global, over many, many,
Speaker 5: many territories and regions, and it's an own awakening. Now,
Speaker 5: the difference between a revival and an awakening in that
Speaker 5: term is that an awakening awakens a person to the
Speaker 5: presence of God who's never known him before. So it's
Speaker 5: essentially a saving of the unsaved, a reaching of the unsaved.
Speaker 3: End mass all over.
Speaker 5: So a revival, a reviving of the saints. The saints
Speaker 5: get excited. The people who already believed in God, they're
Speaker 5: all about it again.
Speaker 3: They're excited.
Speaker 5: They can't be stopped preaching the word of God, meeting
Speaker 5: the needs of younger people, the messy ones, meeting the
Speaker 5: needs of the people who aren't the pretty people in
Speaker 5: the church that look and talk like them, Meeting them
Speaker 5: at the altar with true love and true acceptance, an
Speaker 5: understanding of this person's situation, a true interest in helping
Speaker 5: to disciple them beyond just the Antinomianism, all.
Speaker 3: God is love or the legalism.
Speaker 5: God is waiting to throw a strike at you from
Speaker 5: his heavenly position.
Speaker 3: This is what a great awakening does.
Speaker 5: People who have never known the Lord before come en
Speaker 5: massed to know of him all right now. A reformation
Speaker 5: is a theological and technical term. What it means is
Speaker 5: when revival and a great awakening occur, that is an
Speaker 5: exciting meant It's an individualistic thing. God is pouring himself
Speaker 5: into the hearts of individuals. But a reformation that cleans
Speaker 5: up the church, the theology that is bad goes out
Speaker 5: the window. We start to reject and mass reject sermons
Speaker 5: that simply don't don't care, don't care whether or not
Speaker 5: offends people. If they do not fit the word of God,
Speaker 5: if they don't follow the word of God, that teaching
Speaker 5: goes out.
Speaker 3: We look at the hierarchy.
Speaker 5: Who's in charge here, who's the biggest voice, who's the
Speaker 5: one that's the most influential.
Speaker 3: Are they actually preaching the word of God or not?
Speaker 3: If they're not, they're out.
Speaker 5: That's a reformation, just like Martin Luther did with the
Speaker 5: Catholic Church in case your your audience is not aware
Speaker 5: of what it is to sell or purchase.
Speaker 3: An indulgence at that time of Martin Luther's time.
Speaker 5: Essentially that was to simplify it, and this is a
Speaker 5: gross oversimplification, but to simplify it. If I were to say,
Speaker 5: if you, you know, give give me or my priest
Speaker 5: you know, such and such thousand dollars for the upraising
Speaker 5: or the building of Saint Peter's Square, the Basilica, and
Speaker 5: we will, then I can guarantee you and my priest
Speaker 5: will even speak the words over you that your great
Speaker 5: aunt Mary is going to get a better afterlife, or
Speaker 5: you will, or you know, all of these different things.
Speaker 5: But it was an afterlife promise in exchange for the
Speaker 5: sale of an indulgence, which essentially just put money in
Speaker 5: the Catholic Church's pocket. Well that was what led to
Speaker 5: the Reformation. So now you understand what the word reformation means.
Speaker 5: Because just as Martin Luther looked at the church and went,
Speaker 5: this is sinful, this is unbiblical. There's nothing about this
Speaker 5: that aligned with any verse in the Bible anywhere. This
Speaker 5: needs to be thrown out, and it fractured the church
Speaker 5: and returned a lot of people back to the square root.
Speaker 5: What do we see in church? I mean, what do
Speaker 5: we see in the word. That is what Martin Luther did.
Speaker 5: That is what a reformation is. Bad theology is going
Speaker 5: out the window. This is in our very near future.
Speaker 5: I'm so excited about this, Yeah.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean we can already see it
Speaker 2: starting to happen, just from conversations like from people like
Speaker 2: your dad and doctor Michael Hayeser getting rid of some
Speaker 2: of these you know, whitewashed make you feel good, you know,
Speaker 2: theology itching ear type stuff and just letting you see
Speaker 2: what the texts say. Yeah, but one thing I was wanted,
Speaker 2: I want to get your opinion on was all these
Speaker 2: greats that we look at, you know, like I mentioned
Speaker 2: Billy Graham earlier, and Martin Luther King Junior and some
Speaker 2: of these you know Christian just big name people that
Speaker 2: we look up to. It seems like we really put
Speaker 2: these people on pedestals and that they were just saints
Speaker 2: and it never did any wrong. But I'd heard you
Speaker 2: mentioned that you kind of looked into these people and
Speaker 2: these were the rough ones of that generation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, every single one of them were. Well, you know,
Speaker 5: I mentioned Martin Luther, and even today, to this very day,
Speaker 5: depending on what side of the Catholic or Protestant line
Speaker 5: that you're on, you'll hear people still refer to him
Speaker 5: as just this guy. He was depressed. You couldn't reason
Speaker 5: with him. He was haughty. He was He would march
Speaker 5: into a place and he would just start, you know,
Speaker 5: tearing the walls down. He was so mad, he was
Speaker 5: out of control. Listen, all of that is true. If
Speaker 5: you read you know, the shiny geographical account or the
Speaker 5: shiny biographical account of Martin Luther, you're going to read
Speaker 5: that he was this devout man who always sought after
Speaker 5: the Lord.
Speaker 3: Listen. He was that too, that's the point.
Speaker 5: Every leader that we've ever had had what we can
Speaker 5: look back on now as really impressive marks.
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Speaker 3: They sought the Lord.
Speaker 5: They wanted scriptural integrity, including Billy Bramt.
Speaker 3: They had things that we would look at. Go. Really,
Speaker 3: I did not see that coming from that guy. Dwight
Speaker 3: Moody was illiterate.
Speaker 5: Dwight Moody, we're talking the greatest, in my opinion, the
Speaker 5: greatest of all great Awakening preachers. He couldn't even read
Speaker 5: the Bible. He had to have it read to him. Now,
Speaker 5: in his later life he did eventually learn. But the
Speaker 5: thing is is that throughout that wonderful moment where he's preaching,
Speaker 5: he's preaching so hard and so on fire, right that
Speaker 5: the balcony in a building with so many pounds allowed
Speaker 5: in this structured balcony collapses. And then people wanted to
Speaker 5: They wanted to come to him.
Speaker 3: And give their hearts to the Lord. Right.
Speaker 5: Well, we're talking about a guy who literally went from nineteen.
Speaker 5: I got to talk to you for a second about
Speaker 5: White Moody because he's just so cute, and you'll understand
Speaker 5: what I mean about him being a messy one.
Speaker 3: He was went through his own little rebel phase. Right,
Speaker 3: He didn't know what to make of the Lord.
Speaker 5: He goes to his shoe store, gets a job, it
Speaker 5: gets saved. That shoe store to this day still has
Speaker 5: the plaque or this is the building where Dwhite mood
Speaker 5: he got saved.
Speaker 3: Is very adorable. But he goes on not even being
Speaker 3: able to read.
Speaker 5: He wants to serve the Lord so much with whatever
Speaker 5: he's got that he just takes the gospel message to
Speaker 5: the streets of Chicago. A street in Chicago, by the way,
Speaker 5: that is literally so riddled with gang activity that at
Speaker 5: the time in history it was called Little Hell Chicago.
Speaker 5: But he goes into this old abandoned train car and
Speaker 5: he starts jumping up and down all excited.
Speaker 3: I got a.
Speaker 5: Message for you, guys. I can't wait to share it
Speaker 5: with you. And we're talking crossing the switchblade era. All
Speaker 5: these you know, people are reaching for their switchblades and
Speaker 5: they're reaching for their pocket knives, and the story is incredible.
Speaker 5: He's standing there, jumping up and down like a lunatic,
Speaker 5: talking about the love of Jesus, and all these gangsters
Speaker 5: come in and they are going to kill this guy.
Speaker 5: They are going to take him down. And by the
Speaker 5: end of the night most of them were saved, and
Speaker 5: the other one went home confused. And the Lord had
Speaker 5: already planted a seed of curiosity about himself within these minds.
Speaker 5: They became his greatest disciples, and they were taking the
Speaker 5: Gospel all over the world. Dwight Moody became one of
Speaker 5: the largest preachers of the Great Awakening.
Speaker 3: He was speaking to ten thousand people at a time.
Speaker 5: There were times that he went into a church or
Speaker 5: a gathering, even outdoors. It was so big they had
Speaker 5: to take it outdoors and he would speak as loud
Speaker 5: as he could.
Speaker 3: And so many hundreds of people back.
Speaker 5: They had to turn around and tell the next people
Speaker 5: what they were saying because we didn't have pa systems
Speaker 5: or any kind of an amplification at the time.
Speaker 3: This is how big this guy became.
Speaker 5: And he couldn't even read the Word of God until
Speaker 5: his later life.
Speaker 3: We are looking at.
Speaker 5: A time where all of these Great Awakening preachers. By
Speaker 5: the way, Billy Graham once said it's adorable. It's in
Speaker 5: one of his biographical books. He once said, I don't
Speaker 5: ever want to preach. I don't ever want people to
Speaker 5: look at me. I don't ever want to speak in public.
Speaker 5: I just want to run a farm. And look at
Speaker 5: what became of him. I mean, every one of these
Speaker 5: people had this moment where they said, I am not
Speaker 5: cut out for this God I don't want any part
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 3: Use me in a back room, or use me for
Speaker 3: this over here, use me for that. I don't want this.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do it. I won't do it. And
Speaker 3: then God finally gets a.
Speaker 5: Hold of them, and when they bring what they have,
Speaker 5: what tiny little thing they have, when they finally bring
Speaker 5: it and say yes Lord, with what the Lord has
Speaker 5: given them, he does something that is so mysterious that
Speaker 5: even aristocrats at the time of Dwight Moody said, I
Speaker 5: don't get this guy.
Speaker 3: He's unarticulate.
Speaker 5: He doesn't even know half of the scriptures, and he's
Speaker 5: up there and he's preaching, and he's so excited that
Speaker 5: people are coming in droves to give their heart to
Speaker 5: the Lord end mass.
Speaker 3: I don't understand him.
Speaker 5: And one man, Lord Shaftesbury, a well known aristocrat at
Speaker 5: the time of Moody, even said, I guess the only
Speaker 5: explanation I can give for Dwight Moody is that the
Speaker 5: the Lord uses the foolish things to confound the wise.
Speaker 5: We're talking about an entire generation of messy ones are coming.
Speaker 5: The messy ones are coming. Are we going to see
Speaker 5: them or not? Jonathan Edwards didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: He was just the grandson of mister Stoddard.
Speaker 5: We're talking about, you know, some guy who was a
Speaker 5: big deal preacher in his small town. Around the time
Speaker 5: that even people within Jonathan Edsward's family were being massacred,
Speaker 5: at the time that the Native Americans and the early
Speaker 5: people who stole land from the Native Americans were going
Speaker 5: to war and everybody.
Speaker 3: Was scalping each other.
Speaker 5: He lost some of his own personal family to those conflicts,
Speaker 5: and he's.
Speaker 3: Just sitting there, going, God, who are you? I don't
Speaker 3: even know. I'm so confused.
Speaker 5: My family, half of them are dealing with this never
Speaker 5: ending heartbreak that you caused, or the heartbreak that you
Speaker 5: allowed to happen rather and grandfather's in there and he's
Speaker 5: just screaming, too high Heaven.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't want nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3: I'm completely confused.
Speaker 5: And he becomes the Great Awakening, leader of the first
Speaker 5: Great Awakening, along with a crazy eyed, literally born, cross
Speaker 5: eyed George Whitefield, who was so offensive in his theatrics.
Speaker 3: He'd walk into a church and he'd get.
Speaker 5: So excited to see today, we'd see this as a
Speaker 5: good thing. But he'd walk into a church, and he
Speaker 5: would get so excited at the pulpit that he would
Speaker 5: act out the scenes.
Speaker 3: So here's no end.
Speaker 5: He'd run over to this part of the stage and
Speaker 5: you know, the rain is coming down and.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: He'd get so excited and theatrical and he would pound
Speaker 5: the pulpits that people literally started kicking him out of church.
Speaker 5: This is why he became known George Whitefield, officially known
Speaker 5: look it up as the outdoor Preacher. Why because he
Speaker 5: kept getting kicked out of church. So he said, all right,
Speaker 5: I'm unstoppable. Let's go outside. You want me to leave,
Speaker 5: here we go. And he'd walk a one hundred feet
Speaker 5: from the building. If you want to hear what I
Speaker 5: have to say, I'm over here, and people just kept
Speaker 5: leaving the church to go follow him. All of these
Speaker 5: people had the following things in common. They were not perfect,
Speaker 5: They were the messy ones of their day. They looked
Speaker 5: weird to the church. The church didn't like them. All
Speaker 5: of these things. Do you see what I'm seeing. It's
Speaker 5: a cyclical pattern. It's wonderful. I'm sorry, I just keep rambling,
Speaker 5: but it's so exciting to me. They had the shared
Speaker 5: traits of a deep passion for justice, fighting the corruption
Speaker 5: in both religious hierarchy and political government. They had a
Speaker 5: deep passion for scriptural integrity. They didn't like it when
Speaker 5: you took a scripture out of its context to justify
Speaker 5: something you're doing with your lifestyle. They had vehement opposition
Speaker 5: to the twisting of scripture. They had an intrinsic commitment
Speaker 5: to prayer. You didn't have to ride them every day
Speaker 5: and say, remember it's your Christian duty. They were on
Speaker 5: their face before God every day, pouring their heart out
Speaker 5: and saying, Lord, we need guidance from you. This is
Speaker 5: the thing that they had in common. And all of
Speaker 5: this builds up to an unwavering zeal.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of Psalm sixty nine to nine, for
Speaker 3: the zeal of the Lord.
Speaker 5: Hath eaten them up. You can't you can't ignore. It
Speaker 5: comes to life in you. It breathes life into you
Speaker 5: for you to fight the good fight. And once you
Speaker 5: see what you've been, what God has placed in you.
Speaker 5: I don't care about your tattoos. I don't care if
Speaker 5: you used to smoke cigarettes. I don't care if you
Speaker 5: still smoke cigarettes. I don't care if you think you
Speaker 5: need to lose twenty pounds before God.
Speaker 3: Can use you. Watch this and listen.
Speaker 5: If you haven't heard anything else I've said, hear me
Speaker 5: when I say this. God will not use you despite
Speaker 5: what you have been through. Your scars, your battle scars,
Speaker 5: your pain, your baggage. He will use you because of
Speaker 5: those things, because listen. Perfect doesn't relate. So you join
Speaker 5: a church, you make yourself look like the pretty people.
Speaker 5: You finally get there. You've graduated to perfection.
Speaker 3: Good for you.
Speaker 5: Now you don't relate to anybody else that needs you.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's only in our imperfection that we can be relatable
Speaker 5: to the people who needs you, Jesus the most. So No,
Speaker 5: it's not despite what you've been through that God will
Speaker 5: use you. It's because of what you've been through that
Speaker 5: God will use you.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care what you look like.
Speaker 3: I don't care what you've done. Come to Jesus, man,
Speaker 3: he's got such an incredible plan. The messy ones are coming.
Speaker 3: You better prepare. It's so good.
Speaker 2: Oh amen, amen. It reminds me of this phrase that
Speaker 2: I can't remember where I first heard it, but the
Speaker 2: first time I heard it. Man, it was tattooed on
Speaker 2: my brain. I'll never forget it. But it was the
Speaker 2: same kind of situation. You know, who am I I'm
Speaker 2: not fit to have a podcast talking about God and
Speaker 2: the word. I mean, look at all the stuff I've done,
Speaker 2: you know, look what I'm still doing. Look how screwed
Speaker 2: up I am. But you know God, how today word it? It
Speaker 2: said God doesn't call the qualified, He qualifies the called.
Speaker 2: And that just resonated with me so so much. And
Speaker 2: then I heard another guy talk about the gem with
Speaker 2: the church. He said, he keeps saying, oh, well, when
Speaker 2: I start living right, I'll go to church, you know,
Speaker 2: or when I get this lined up, I'll start going
Speaker 2: to church, you know. He said, you got to look
Speaker 2: at it like the gym. He said, if you wait
Speaker 2: to your fit enough to go to the gym, you're
Speaker 2: gonna never need the gym, he said, So the same
Speaker 2: thing with church.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: He said, if you wait to your perfect to go
Speaker 2: to church, then that means you're never going to need God.
Speaker 2: He said. It's a continuation, a lifestyle, continuation of cleansing
Speaker 2: yourself and bettering yourself and getting closer to your creator.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I know there was a time just like
Speaker 5: you know, oh, probably every other human being that's ever lived.
Speaker 5: That I told my dad back when he was asking me,
Speaker 5: you know, will you help me write this.
Speaker 3: Book, or will you come on this show with me?
Speaker 5: Or will you you know whatever? I used to tell
Speaker 5: my dad, and I did this for many years. Joe
Speaker 5: will even tell you this is true, Dad. I will
Speaker 5: do whatever you asked me to do. I'm talking about
Speaker 5: the great tom Horn of SkyWatch right. I'll do whatever
Speaker 5: you asked me to do. I'll write an entire book
Speaker 5: for you. I will write up all of your sermon notes.
Speaker 5: I'll do whatever you asked me to do. But will
Speaker 5: I put my face out there? Will I put my
Speaker 5: name on that book? The answer is no.
Speaker 3: I want anonymity. I want to work in the back room.
Speaker 5: In fact, part of my own personal testimony that's kind
Speaker 5: of fun, is that early on I said, I know what.
Speaker 3: Part of the body I want to be.
Speaker 5: You know how Paul writes about the different parts of
Speaker 5: the body, and if all were the eye, then where
Speaker 5: is the hearing? And so on and so forth. I said,
Speaker 5: you know what, I know what I want to be.
Speaker 5: I know what part of the body I want to be.
Speaker 5: I want to be the appendix. And here was my
Speaker 5: reasoning for this. Nobody knew what it did. It could
Speaker 5: be in a back room, and as long as it's
Speaker 5: just generally supporting in some kind of mysterious way.
Speaker 3: Nobody needed to expect anything from it. That was the
Speaker 3: part of the body I wanted to be.
Speaker 5: The other reason was because if the appendix burst, you
Speaker 5: remove the appendix, but the body continues to function, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I might really screw jumped them up here.
Speaker 5: So as long as we're like relying LONDONA, just let
Speaker 5: me be the appendix.
Speaker 3: I want to work from a back room.
Speaker 5: Okay, hardy har right, because here we are thirty years
Speaker 5: later and I'm in all of the different things.
Speaker 3: That I'm doing. Now, I'm doing shows, I'm preaching. I
Speaker 3: talked really fast.
Speaker 5: Now I've been told that I need to slow way
Speaker 5: down for certain platforms.
Speaker 3: That I've been on. I get too passionate. I've had people.
Speaker 5: I had one lady even tell me on her show,
Speaker 5: You're just too perky. So it's like, you know, we
Speaker 5: never really stop being our messy one. But the bottom
Speaker 5: line is, what do you have in you that God
Speaker 5: can use And are you or are you not willing
Speaker 5: to give the Lord your yes when he comes calling,
Speaker 5: because the called ones will be qualified as he deems fit.
Speaker 5: So I love that you brought it that way. But
Speaker 5: here's what my dad said to me. He said, if
Speaker 5: not you, who, and if not now when? Because I
Speaker 5: kept on saying one of these days, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: So that was the one that got me. And that's
Speaker 5: not even a Bible verse. That's just like you know,
Speaker 5: modern day philosopher Tom Horne and the moral conviction that followed.
Speaker 3: Now here's the fun thing. Consider this. We're talking about
Speaker 3: all these.
Speaker 5: Historical great awakenings and the leaders of those awakenings right
Speaker 5: what the outside of them and them giving their yes
Speaker 5: to the Lord? What societal patterns or triggers have we
Speaker 5: historically been able to document that leads the culture the
Speaker 5: society at large toward an end mass acceptance of a
Speaker 5: higher power aka Jesus coming in and fixing what is
Speaker 5: broken in our lives, the moral decline and corruption end.
Speaker 5: Mass Historically, awakening has always occurred when society was deeply
Speaker 5: corrupt and morally bankrupt, from everything from the church to
Speaker 5: the government. All right, and all the way down to schools.
Speaker 5: Right I don't even want to go in to what
Speaker 5: we are teaching our children in public schools right now,
Speaker 5: but I mean one word sex ad. I don't know
Speaker 5: that's probably two words, but sex ad. That that one
Speaker 5: phrase right there, that one term represents things that I've
Speaker 5: probably could consider maybe the most least godly thing I've
Speaker 5: ever heard right now and had to pull my own
Speaker 5: kids out of it.
Speaker 3: Deep civil unrest.
Speaker 5: We're talking about social and political divisions fueled throughout different
Speaker 5: cyclical patterns. They always create a longing for change and
Speaker 5: for reform, so this is another one of those major patterns.
Speaker 5: And spiritual hunger. A generation seeking meaning. Okay, they come
Speaker 5: into the world being told through the whisper, whether it's
Speaker 5: Hollywood or their mom and dad or grandma and grandpa, whatever,
Speaker 5: they are told that there's this thing called spirituality and
Speaker 5: there's a hunger that we all have for it into
Speaker 5: being communication with the Divine And regardless of what that
Speaker 5: you know, whisper sounds like to them, whether it's a
Speaker 5: different religion, a spiritual hunger. A generation seeking spiritual hunger
Speaker 5: and meaning often turned to God after watch this, realizing
Speaker 5: that materialism and human institutions fail.
Speaker 3: To satisfy the spirit.
Speaker 5: So that's the way you're kind of collapsing them all
Speaker 5: in a broad way so that people kind of understand
Speaker 5: what I'm about to talk about. Present day triggers that
Speaker 5: match the past economic collapse. You got a lot of
Speaker 5: poor people and they don't know where their next meal
Speaker 5: is coming from.
Speaker 3: You have a large homeless population. Those are the kinds.
Speaker 5: Of things that lead people to go, we need to
Speaker 5: change right. We've got that happening everywhere. Our economy is
Speaker 5: toast compared to what it used to be. In the
Speaker 5: Western world. Political division, all the little governmental sub biparties
Speaker 5: and everybody are arguing over what politics we need to have.
Speaker 3: That leads to a great awakening because.
Speaker 5: Across the board, everybody realizes we need something bigger than ourselves,
Speaker 5: higher than ourselves.
Speaker 3: To fix this mess.
Speaker 5: And we also, whether we admit it or not, and
Speaker 5: we normally don't, we also realize what I want politically
Speaker 5: and what she wants politically, there's actually good reasons for both.
Speaker 3: So who's right? And my writer is she right? Well?
Speaker 5: I guess because I've got pride and I'm a human,
Speaker 5: I'm going to say that what I want is the best,
Speaker 5: even though I secretly I kind of understand where that
Speaker 5: where susie Q is coming from.
Speaker 3: We see that, and in our heart.
Speaker 5: Of hearts, whether we openly admit it or not, we go, oh,
Speaker 5: my goodness, we need something bigger than ourselves to fix
Speaker 5: this political division. Religious compromise is another trigger every time
Speaker 5: we see people, I mean very important people compromising scripture
Speaker 5: to justify all kinds of sub movements Christian theology branches
Speaker 5: that don't make sense and do not align with the
Speaker 5: Word of God, especially as it was written in Greek
Speaker 5: and Hebrew. I'm not saying a person needs to know
Speaker 5: Greek and Hebrew in order to understand the Bible, No
Speaker 5: God forbid, that's why it was translated, and that itself
Speaker 5: was movement of God. But the idea that we would
Speaker 5: read something in English, interpret it in our modern eye
Speaker 5: and say boom, that's what the word means. That's how
Speaker 5: we silence women. That's how we silence women based on
Speaker 5: only two verses. The whole of scripture. The whole of Scripture,
Speaker 5: including Deborah Forward, celebrates and identifies the idea that God
Speaker 5: would call.
Speaker 3: Women as leaders.
Speaker 5: And we get to a point where because of two
Speaker 5: verses in English, not even in Greek. In English, we
Speaker 5: completely have created this whole movement to silence that people
Speaker 5: get tired of that kind of religious compromise and they
Speaker 5: fight against it. Rising hostility toward faith is another one,
Speaker 5: including censorship or shadow banning.
Speaker 3: The more we get loud with.
Speaker 5: Our Christianity and our true praise Jesus' voice, the more
Speaker 5: there are very powerful people in government that want to
Speaker 5: squash that.
Speaker 3: But watch this. You squash that, and.
Speaker 5: The people who see that get squashed, silenced and censored.
Speaker 3: They get mad, so they get loud. So just you know,
Speaker 3: you see what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's just every time we think we found a reason
Speaker 5: to find bad news, there's good news in the bad news.
Speaker 5: I've got a few more. Crisis of cultural identity. That's one,
Speaker 5: and that sounds like it's coming out.
Speaker 3: Of today's history book.
Speaker 5: A crisis of cultural identity. And here's the next one
Speaker 5: on the list, a crisis of individual identity that has
Speaker 5: happened in every single grade awakening. It just doesn't look
Speaker 5: the way that our ideological Western shifts look today, but
Speaker 5: that has happened.
Speaker 3: That's a past trigger that now is.
Speaker 5: Like it sounds like it's a today trigger persecution and censorship.
Speaker 5: I already mentioned that global war and or conflict, all
Speaker 5: kinds of you know, squabbling with different foreign policies and
Speaker 5: foreign international affairs at a generational shift, meaning this generation
Speaker 5: cannot connect with that generation. So this generation down here
Speaker 5: is going to have to find God for themselves.
Speaker 3: They get seeking, they get hungry, they get thirsty. These
Speaker 3: are all triggers that have been in the past every time.
Speaker 5: We've had a great awakening, that also applied today. Now
Speaker 5: here's the thing. We've got two new ones and they're biggies.
Speaker 5: Technological overload and AI fears. We're talking about people that
Speaker 5: are being raised on devices that's never happened in human history.
Speaker 3: People who have AI companions.
Speaker 5: They are closer to the bot living in their phone
Speaker 5: than they are to their parents, their sisters, their siblings,
Speaker 5: their community mentors.
Speaker 3: We've never had that before.
Speaker 5: That's going to add a whole layer that could be
Speaker 5: an entire show by itself, a whole layer of loneliness
Speaker 5: and internal searching for something that is real, something that
Speaker 5: feeds the spirit that you're never going to find it.
Speaker 5: An AI companion, we've got that. That's a trigger that
Speaker 5: we've never even had for a great awakening. And here's
Speaker 5: the last one on my list. Unstable truth, postmodernism.
Speaker 3: I'm talking.
Speaker 5: Your truth is your truth, My truth is my truth.
Speaker 5: So we're going to consider truth to be this fluid thing,
Speaker 5: a subjective truth. What happens again, I go back to
Speaker 5: the child without any boundaries, models of subjective truth, and
Speaker 5: the rejection of absolutism, the idea that there is an
Speaker 5: absolute truth. The sky is blue, the flag of the
Speaker 5: American flag is red, white, and blue. Your hoodie right
Speaker 5: now is red. The fact that I can drink coffee
Speaker 5: and call it coffee. There's absolute truths all around us,
Speaker 5: and yet we get to a certain moment and we
Speaker 5: go but not that that's a subjective thing.
Speaker 3: There is absolute truth.
Speaker 5: And ironically, when culture and government and society fail to
Speaker 5: provide limits and boundaries and absolute truth, people demand them
Speaker 5: because they need boundaries, and they usually choose to demand
Speaker 5: them through religious and social reform, seeking a nostalgic innocence.
Speaker 3: That their generation has never even known. And that brings
Speaker 3: us back to this. What fuels a great awakening, mass discontentment.
Speaker 5: That's the first one, longing for stability and morality, that's
Speaker 5: the next one and three, bold voices willing to shatter
Speaker 5: the silence.
Speaker 3: The only thing left is God's timing. So now we're
Speaker 3: in that. We've got the first three.
Speaker 5: We've got people that are seriously discontent with the way
Speaker 5: that the world is and their spirituality. We've got people
Speaker 5: that are longing for stability and morality, for an innocence
Speaker 5: their generation has never known. They see it on leave
Speaker 5: it to Beaver, and something deep within them says, you
Speaker 5: know what, that was the good old days. Your uncle
Speaker 5: wasn't thinking those thoughts. Your teacher didn't have that agenda.
Speaker 5: There wasn't this constant pressure for you to sin just
Speaker 5: to impress somebody.
Speaker 3: Those were the good old days. You want that back.
Speaker 5: It's breathing into them that this is an attainable thing,
Speaker 5: and that history says it happened before.
Speaker 3: The only thing left is God's timing.
Speaker 5: And I think we're about to see that blow up
Speaker 5: big scale.
Speaker 3: That's the message, man. So the messy ones are coming.
Speaker 3: Are we going to be ready for them? I love it? Right,
Speaker 3: that's good, thank God news.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're already here, man, We're lined up at
Speaker 2: the finish line. We're just waiting for the shotgun go off.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, Donald, thank you so much. And uh, I
Speaker 2: don't care what that woman told you. You don't turn
Speaker 2: down your brightness for nobody. Girl, I love you. You're amazing,
Speaker 2: You're on fire. And I was greatly blessed by this message,
Speaker 2: and I know my listeners will be too, So yeah,
Speaker 2: you shine on, girl. You don't turn that down for nobody.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that a great movement of God is
Speaker 5: coming in a holy fire and ripped jeans, and I
Speaker 5: think it's gonna look unlike anything we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: And I preach this everywhere I go. I'm so excited
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 5: So thank you again for giving me another platform to
Speaker 5: do so appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to encourage you write that book.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that need to hear this. Well,
Speaker 2: donaf Will we leave, just let everybody know in case
Speaker 2: they missed the beginning of the show or it was
Speaker 2: off doing something, because a lot of times, I know
Speaker 2: a lot of my listeners put this on while they're
Speaker 2: doing laundry or dishes or something like that and they
Speaker 2: might have missed it. I don't want them to miss it.
Speaker 2: So let everybody know where they can find you, your
Speaker 2: books and your material.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so ninety percent of my current ministry is embedded
Speaker 5: into SkyWatch.
Speaker 3: But I do have a bit of things that I
Speaker 3: do on this side.
Speaker 5: I do have a shop dot Donnahowell's Show dot com.
Speaker 5: That's where you can go actually get the messy ones
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Speaker 3: There's other ways that you can support me.
Speaker 5: The Donna Howells Show dot com or just Donna Howellshow
Speaker 5: dot com. And I'm available, you know, in a lot
Speaker 5: of different places. You see me, first of all through SkyWatch.
Speaker 5: You can find me on this SkyWatch channel over your
Speaker 5: ro coup or Rumble. So if you go to SkyWatch
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Speaker 3: But yeah, Donna Howell's Show on YouTube and just you
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Speaker 5: Just if you follow SkyWatch, you'll see a lot of
Speaker 5: me hanging around in the shadows.
Speaker 2: Yep, you will, guys. Hey, and if you've not been
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Speaker 2: But just remember, guys, hey, the difference between the known
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