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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan ray I w BZ Costs video.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the big story, the big local story in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>today has been the fact that Michael Proctor, a state

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<v Speaker 2>police detective who was the lead detective and the Karen

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<v Speaker 2>Reid case that I think most of us are familiar with,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a case in which she was accused of

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<v Speaker 2>striking and killing a Boston police officer who she was

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<v Speaker 2>dating at the time with her suv and left of

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<v Speaker 2>deny in the snow. That trial occurred last spring from

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<v Speaker 2>April to July, and it ended in a hung jury,

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<v Speaker 2>and that retrial is supposed to that second trial retrial

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to occur or begin on April first. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure they're going to be able to get that

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<v Speaker 2>all lined up by April first. But the big news

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<v Speaker 2>today is that the lead investigator on the case, the

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<v Speaker 2>state police detective been on the job fourteen years, has

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<v Speaker 2>been fired. There was an investigation. He was a witness

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<v Speaker 2>at trial last spring and there were four charges against him,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a trial board that convened on three dates,

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<v Speaker 2>one in January, one of February, and one in March,

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<v Speaker 2>and to consider the allegations against him. The allegations, all

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<v Speaker 2>of which all of which were found to be true

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<v Speaker 2>by the trial board. He will be able to appeal

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<v Speaker 2>it to the Civil Service Commission, which will be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But as of now, he basically has been found guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of as while he was the lead investigator in a

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<v Speaker 2>homicide investigation, sent derogatory, defamatory, disparaging, in or otherwise inappropriate

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<v Speaker 2>text messages about a suspect in that investigation other individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>That's specificated charge one, what they call specification Specification two

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<v Speaker 2>was that wallas Sign is the lead investigator in a

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<v Speaker 2>homicide investigation, Drew per Proctor provided sensitive and or confidential

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<v Speaker 2>information about a homicide victim, potential witnesses, and or potential

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<v Speaker 2>investigative steps in the investigation to non law enforcement enforcement personnel.

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<v Speaker 2>He was found guilty of that step three, that drewper

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<v Speaker 2>pro wallasign is the lead investigator in a homicide investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>through his unprofessional inappropriate conduct, created an image that he

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<v Speaker 2>was unprofessional and created an image that he was biased

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<v Speaker 2>in his dealings with a homicide suspect, and or brought

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise himself and the Massachusetts Police into disrepute. That actually

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<v Speaker 2>is a direct violation of what they call a Class

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<v Speaker 2>A violation. And then the fourth charge was that he

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<v Speaker 2>consumed out Holly beverages while eating dinner while on duty

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<v Speaker 2>and then proceeded to operate the department issued cruiser. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think most of us have a thought about this case.

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<v Speaker 2>His the cross examination of Trooper Proctor obviously did not

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<v Speaker 2>help the prosecution in the case last year of Karen Reid,

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the Massachusetts State Police, who is newly appointed.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he is just I think he's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he's been on the force for for six months

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. Colonel Jeffrey Noble, he was hired out

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<v Speaker 2>of New Jersey and he basically made the decision to

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<v Speaker 2>relieve Proctor of duty. So fourteen years he suspended, he's terminated.

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<v Speaker 2>He will have a right to appeal to the Civil

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<v Speaker 2>Service Commission. And his family has done into with one

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<v Speaker 2>of his wife and his sister have done interviews with

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<v Speaker 2>one of the local television stations in Boston. They have

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<v Speaker 2>released statements saying that, well, let me read a statement

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<v Speaker 2>from the family. We are truly disappointed with the Trialboard's decision,

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<v Speaker 2>as it lacks precedent and unfairly exploits in scapegoats one

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<v Speaker 2>of their own. A trooper with a fourteen year unblemished record,

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<v Speaker 2>the family said, well it's a little blemish now. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>the Massachusetts State Police dubious and relentless effage to find

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<v Speaker 2>more in cumpatory evidence against Michael Procter on his phones, computers,

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<v Speaker 2>and cruiser data, the messages on his personal phone referring

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<v Speaker 2>to the person who killed a fellow beloved Boston police

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<v Speaker 2>officer are all that they found. The messages prove one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Michael is human, not corrupt, not incompetent in

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<v Speaker 2>his role as a homicide detective, and certainly not unfit

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to be a Massachusetts State trooper. The Proctor

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<v Speaker 2>family continued, Proctor and his detectives led him meticulous and

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<v Speaker 2>thorough investigative investigation of integrity, and despite today's wrongful termination

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<v Speaker 2>and great harm and defamation this case inflicted on him

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<v Speaker 2>and his family, I don't think it inflicts defamation on

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<v Speaker 2>his family, but that's neither here or there. Practice still

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<v Speaker 2>believes justice will be served. The family said, he's grateful

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<v Speaker 2>for the unrelaying support of the union and the men

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<v Speaker 2>and women of the Massachusetts a Police. His heart is

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<v Speaker 2>always with the family of Officer John O'Keefe, who continued

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<v Speaker 2>to adore a prolonged and unimaginable nightmare. Now, meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 2>State Police Colonel he issued this statement. Our mission to

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<v Speaker 2>deliver the highest level of police services depends on the

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<v Speaker 2>public's trust in our professionalism and integrity. It is incumbent

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<v Speaker 2>upon me, as well as every member of this department,

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<v Speaker 2>to hold one another accountable when any member compromises our

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<v Speaker 2>mission by failing to uphold our values. As Superintendent, my

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<v Speaker 2>role demands that I do what is in the best

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<v Speaker 2>interest of the department. My decision to terminate mister Proctor

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<v Speaker 2>follows a thorough, fear and impartial process. I have weighed

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<v Speaker 2>the nature of the offenses, their impact on our investigative integrity,

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<v Speaker 2>and the importance of safeguarding the reputations of our dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>women and men in the State Police. This decision reflects

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<v Speaker 2>our unwavering commitment to upholding our values and enhancing public trust,

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<v Speaker 2>ensuring the higher standards of service and accountability. Finally, recognizing

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<v Speaker 2>the ways in which this process has affected the family

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe, I would also like

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<v Speaker 2>to renew our condolences to them, Proctor can appeal to

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<v Speaker 2>the State Civil Service Commission. So to some, certainly to

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<v Speaker 2>read supporters, I think this will be proof that this case,

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<v Speaker 2>from their perspective, was a.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a bad job.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that is what they would probably say to

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<v Speaker 2>me tonight. And if you want to say that, feel free.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy obviously acting in an unprofessional manner.

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<v Speaker 3>You could.

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<v Speaker 2>Act unprofessionally and also conduct a thorough investigation, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is what his family's saying. But this has blown

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<v Speaker 2>up to be a national story. I mean, it is

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<v Speaker 2>a horrible accident. Well, it's a horrible human tragedy. For

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<v Speaker 2>the O'Keefe family, they lost the life of a member

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<v Speaker 2>of their family. For the Reed family, it's cost them

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<v Speaker 2>enormous amounts of money. And all of this comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to I think, you know, it's almost Shakespeare, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the fates put these two people together who apparently

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<v Speaker 2>at some point got along very well, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>deteriorated and it ended that. It will be up to

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<v Speaker 2>a joy to decide which theory is true. But I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to just open it up and ask focus on

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Procter tonight, and the question is do you think

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<v Speaker 2>the State Police did the right thing in terminating him

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen years of service. He will also never be able

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<v Speaker 2>to reapply assuming the civil the State's Civil Service Commission

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<v Speaker 2>upholds his dismissal his termination, he will never be able

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<v Speaker 2>to even reapply to renew his professional status as a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the Massachusetts State Police. This is a pretty serious,

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<v Speaker 2>heavy duty deal. Six one seven, two, five, four ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. The

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<v Speaker 2>other lines a full let's keep it rolling here on

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<v Speaker 2>nights side, as we had. We're going to do this

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<v Speaker 2>for one hour period and the reason is I have

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<v Speaker 2>a guest coming up at ten o'clock and if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe me, try me. We're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>at ten o'clock tonight with the Israeli Consul General to

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<v Speaker 2>New England, Ben Sharoni, about the latest developments in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East, in the war between Israel and Hamas and

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on in Gazam. So we will be

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<v Speaker 2>talking with again representative direct representative of Israel's government here

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<v Speaker 2>in New England. He's spent a guest before in this program.

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<v Speaker 2>The Israeli Consul General to New England, Benny Sharoni, at

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<v Speaker 2>ten if you want to get in on this and

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<v Speaker 2>comment about Michael Proctor what was shown in the police

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<v Speaker 2>Personnel Trial Board finding the four specific charges that he

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<v Speaker 2>was accused of and found guilty of by ranking officers

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<v Speaker 2>in the Massachusettstate Police. Although his union stands behind him.

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<v Speaker 2>The only number that is available six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 3>Be back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now bent to Danway live from the Window World, Nice

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<v Speaker 1>Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are going to talk about this. Is this

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<v Speaker 2>is a big development. I think it will have an

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<v Speaker 2>impact on the case. He's still uh, he being Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Proctor is still on the witness list for both the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution and the defense in the Karen Read case. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to the call. It's gonna go first to Mark

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<v Speaker 2>in Cambridge. Mark, appreciate you taking the time to call in.

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<v Speaker 3>You are first up this hour aside.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for taking my carl again.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome, You're welcome. Mark. How are you? What? What's

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<v Speaker 3>your reaction to this?

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<v Speaker 4>My reacting the State Police, Colonel State Police. They did

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<v Speaker 4>what they had to do, no doubt whatsoever. On the

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<v Speaker 4>other hand, in my opinion on the other hand, all

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<v Speaker 4>this is gonna get over to bye. It's union lawyers, arbitration. Listen,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's only again he got emotional, absolutely, but his

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<v Speaker 4>speech is protected in the First Amendment. His speech is protected.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm gonna I'm going to disagree with you on

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<v Speaker 2>that because it's this is really not a First Amendment issue.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an issue that deals with his conduct as

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<v Speaker 2>a professional. Okay, if I get on the radio tonight, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I say, you know, Mark from Cambridge is a

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy, and I know which, of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course you're a great guy. I would never say anything

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<v Speaker 3>like that about you, Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, if I in effect defamed you, I

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<v Speaker 2>might be able to defend myself or my lawyers might

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<v Speaker 2>be able to offend myself in a defamation case. But

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you my company would say, Hey, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>what we hired you to do. We hired you to

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<v Speaker 2>conduct a talk show and conduct a talk show in

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<v Speaker 2>which people felt welcome to have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you you went a little far when you when

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<v Speaker 2>you said those horrible things about Mark from Gaybridge, who's

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<v Speaker 2>now suing us, and so so I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>my job would be protected and I don't think his

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<v Speaker 2>job should be protected here either, because by his very actions,

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<v Speaker 2>he's called into question the integrity of every state police

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<v Speaker 2>officer in my opinion, that people might have disagreed with.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when I think, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I'm gonna wrap it up. I know for facts.

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<v Speaker 4>I know a couple of Boston officers that actually years

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<v Speaker 4>ago got into mess and it took him years to

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<v Speaker 4>get their job back. But they pussed them out to

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<v Speaker 4>them listen, take an early retirement, and it was more serious,

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<v Speaker 4>and him speaking the words that he spoke, trust me.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, well let's see. We'll see what happens. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's going to be a long time for

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<v Speaker 2>the Civil Service Commission to deal with the case. In

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<v Speaker 2>the meantime, we'll have to see what impact this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to have on the second trial. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's particularly helpful to the prosecution to have this now

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<v Speaker 2>say this just reinforces what they believe. Let me ask

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<v Speaker 2>you this, were you surprised at what the jury came

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<v Speaker 4>Was I surprised about that? Yeah? Yeah I was, because I.

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<v Speaker 2>so you were surprised about the jury being hung. Did

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I think it was a strong case against my

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so now the fact that you think it was,

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<v Speaker 2>just the fact that you think it was a strong case,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that what was done by the defense

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers to proctor or the hand on the witness stand

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<v Speaker 2>strengthened that strong case or weakened that strong case?

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<v Speaker 4>It just shows the Trooper's character. That's what the show is, Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>it shows the troopers character.

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<v Speaker 3>But did the case or strength Did that strengthen the

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think it's strengthened the strengthened the case.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it made it a little you know, weak.

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<v Speaker 3>But the atue I mean, yeah, okay, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>The evidence is there. I mean, like I called you

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<v Speaker 4>I think the average is overwhelming for a guilty butt

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<v Speaker 4>we got in her. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I understand that that's your position, and what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in the way he conducted the investigation, said next messages,

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<v Speaker 2>made comments that that that harmed him as a witness

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<v Speaker 2>on the witness stand, and he just acknowledged that that

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<v Speaker 2>weak in the case. Now because his conduct as a trooper.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're if your analysis correct, and I think it is,

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<v Speaker 2>that it weaked the case, why would the state police

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<v Speaker 4>Again, I did say the state police did what they

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<v Speaker 4>that once everything is set and done, because remember the

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<v Speaker 4>unions are powerful. Unions are very powerful dand you know

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it's going to be overturned and he's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>give an option reinstated or or or take a retirement.

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<v Speaker 4>Along with the fact pay that we the Tracks band

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<v Speaker 2>The nice thing about this is that when this is

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<v Speaker 2>it is from now, you can call me back and

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<v Speaker 2>you can say, Dan, I told you back in March,

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<v Speaker 2>as a matter of fact, on March nineteenth, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was exactly right. Or you can call me

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<v Speaker 2>back and say, Dan, I overestimated the strength of the

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<v Speaker 2>police union on this one. The police union has to

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<v Speaker 2>stand behind there. They're members, but I'm not sure. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure that this is one that the police. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a hill the police union wants to die on. Think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the police union has some work to do

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<v Speaker 2>on the members of the police union who were terminated

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<v Speaker 2>because they didn't take COVID shots by Charlie Baker. Those

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<v Speaker 2>cases are still hanging out there now, four or five

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<v Speaker 2>years later, including the case of one female state police

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<v Speaker 3>Mark. I love you man.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for taking me in, Hey, thank you for

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<v Speaker 4>taking my car, Dn.

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<v Speaker 3>You bet you? Thanks for calling in Mark, all right?

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<v Speaker 2>I will get you on the year before ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>because at ten o'clock, ending this discussion, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>guest coming in the Israeli console General to New England

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<v Speaker 2>who join us, Benny Charoni, talking about what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>the ten o'clock hour. So if you're sitting there thinking

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<v Speaker 2>on night side.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WZ Boston's News.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was a big deal today. Okay, Massachusetts State

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<v Speaker 2>Police trooper who's also detective, a homicide detective fourteen years

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Proctor terminated simple as that terminated will how he

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<v Speaker 2>he may be a witness in the next trial. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what complicates things. It's fascinating. How do you think this?

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<v Speaker 2>If you think Karen Reid was being framed. I assume

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<v Speaker 2>this only increases your skepticism. If, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>you think it was legitimate, this has to shake your

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<v Speaker 2>thought about the prosecution's case. Pelvis in Middleton, Pelvis, welcome, How.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you hey, How do you doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>Agree?

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<v Speaker 5>So, yeah, no, and at the very least, not only

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<v Speaker 5>what he said, his conduct and what he said about her,

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<v Speaker 5>throw all that out the window. His total incompetent at

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<v Speaker 5>the at the investigation, dropping the ball from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>He said from the beginning that this wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 5>stick to the homeowner, never went in the house, never

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<v Speaker 5>did a thorough investigation, the Sally Port video that's missing.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of skepticism going into this number one.

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<v Speaker 5>So of course it's going to hurt him and the

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<v Speaker 5>prosecution to be called back on the stand after being

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<v Speaker 5>completely disgraced and dismantled as a detective because he dropped

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<v Speaker 5>the ball from the very beginning. It's a one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>percent cover up. I'll let you hit me in the

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<v Speaker 5>parking lot at twenty eight miles an hour backing up,

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<v Speaker 5>I guarantee you I have broken bones in my body,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know the dog bite.

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<v Speaker 3>I missed that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the tail light, the tail the tail light thing

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<v Speaker 5>is is another huge incompetence on their on their part,

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<v Speaker 5>light being smashed out.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no let me play devil Devil's advocate with you

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with most of what you said. But my

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<v Speaker 2>understanding and has been confirmed by the defense lawyer Hank Brennan,

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<v Speaker 2>who I have a great who's now the prosecutor, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, he said, defense lawyer by trade, who have

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<v Speaker 2>a great respect for He basically had set an open

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<v Speaker 2>court that any federal investigation, there are all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>rumors about a federal investigation going on, which when you

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<v Speaker 2>have a federal investigation, the federal looking at the conduct

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<v Speaker 2>of the law enforcement people. So from that perspective, Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Proctor should be able to say, you know, no one

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<v Speaker 2>has charged him with any sort of a criminal activity.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been charged with an inappropriate behavior as a state

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<v Speaker 2>police homicide investigator, the head of the homicide unit. So

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they're.

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<v Speaker 5>Still going to they're still going to bring that up,

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<v Speaker 5>They're still going to bring up the sally Port video.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're going to bring all that issue up, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But but the fact that if they if apparently there

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<v Speaker 2>was a federal investigation of some sort and the federal

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<v Speaker 2>investigation has concluded with no charges being brought, well, that

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<v Speaker 2>is something that if I were Michael Proctor, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>not investigating the defense lawyers, they're not investigating the defense,

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<v Speaker 2>would not be investigating the defense team. They probably are

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<v Speaker 2>investigating the way that that this prosecution went forward. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't an effective prosecution by virtue of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we came back with a hung jury, but how.

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<v Speaker 5>It was handled from the start, right by the by

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<v Speaker 5>the lead, by the lead investigator, and.

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<v Speaker 3>The point, that's the point.

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<v Speaker 5>If you've got a dead guy in your front yard

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<v Speaker 5>with a cocktail glass in his hand, do you think

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<v Speaker 5>they're coming in your house? So I'm saying he dropped

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<v Speaker 5>his integrity as a cop number one, not only what

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<v Speaker 5>he said, defamation, whatever he said, you know, throw all

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<v Speaker 5>that out. As a as a character person, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>as his person, that's different. But I understand that those

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<v Speaker 5>are the actions there that they're actually going off of.

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<v Speaker 5>But this definitely, no matter what, putting him back on

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<v Speaker 5>the stand is an absolute clown show moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>But but well, well, I don't know that the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 5>He's on the witness, he's the lead investigator.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to what, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Excuse herself as well because she's in the pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, you're making allegations of a judge. So that

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<v Speaker 2>makes me very uncomfortable. You know, you can't you can

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<v Speaker 2>have an.

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<v Speaker 5>Opinion, you don't have anything with that. That's fine, But

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<v Speaker 5>he has to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be a favorite's back off for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your opinion. Okay, it's my show. That's your opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>You have nothing to prove with that. You have no

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you have your opinion, your observations.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. You know you can tell me the rich

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<v Speaker 3>Ox is going to win the World Series. That's your repeat.

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<v Speaker 4>I went.

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<v Speaker 5>Back to Proctor. Proctor has to come back on the stand.

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<v Speaker 5>He's the lead investigator. Of course, he's so sure about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not so sure about that being I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be ripped apart by the defense. Maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>will be caught. Okay, but if I were Hank Brennan,

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<v Speaker 2>I were the prosecutor, I wouldn't want to see him

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<v Speaker 2>in the courtroom at this point because at this point

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<v Speaker 2>the defense is going to be asking him all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of questions. Do you still work for the state Police,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Trooper Proctor?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. Oh why is that? Did you leave the

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't. You were to let me show you a letter.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a letter from the colonel to you, dated

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<v Speaker 2>March nineteenth, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you read an open court paragraph too?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, well, I sort of think all of that,

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<v Speaker 5>plus the I don't know if you saw the documentary

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever they're doing right now is being streamed online too.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think any of that should be being done.

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<v Speaker 5>This on the side point, it should not be being done

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<v Speaker 5>right now before a second trial, because you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 5>a hard pressed time finding and unbiased Jerry at this

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they they may have to what they may

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Sometimes you can take a case and move it

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<v Speaker 2>to another jurisdiction. It's not impossible that you can have

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<v Speaker 2>cases that you cannot, you know, in panel a jury

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<v Speaker 2>of a twelve or sixteen people who have the ability,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the jurors don't have to be blind to

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<v Speaker 2>and come to a fear. I mean, that's the whole

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<v Speaker 2>And what happens is you get a change of venue,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's conceivable that the prosecution might at this point

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a fascination from the first child that some of

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<v Speaker 5>the jurors felt intimidated by the presence of other law

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<v Speaker 5>enforcement in the room, and that was part of their conclusion,

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<v Speaker 5>part of their nervousness. There was levels of apparent levels

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<v Speaker 5>of intimidation that was direct from the lawyers of the

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<v Speaker 5>jurors that were involved in the first case.

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose it depends upon what apprehension what but apprehension

431
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<v Speaker 2>was why they were apprehensive. I mean, were they apprehensive

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<v Speaker 2>because they felt that the police officers in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>You could certainly say to police officers, look, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to commit. If you go to command, you count wear

435
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<v Speaker 2>your uniform. They could be motions made on all of

436
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<v Speaker 2>that sort of stuff. Maybe the police were there to

437
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<v Speaker 2>support the O'Keefe family maybe the police were there in

438
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<v Speaker 2>this case to support practical I don't know. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>cover the trial. I know enough about it that I'm

440
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<v Speaker 2>smart enough to know I don't know.

441
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<v Speaker 3>Everything about it.

442
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<v Speaker 2>I had my own thoughts, and I've expressed them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll continue to express them. Pelvis is always great to

444
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<v Speaker 2>hear your voice that much. Have a good one, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get Danielle in Worcester. Danielle, you were next

446
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<v Speaker 2>on nightside. Don't want to make you wait. We'll get

447
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<v Speaker 2>you in here before the break. Go ahead, Danielle.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Dan, So you know my passion for this and

449
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<v Speaker 6>my knowledge of this case that I've been following since

450
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<v Speaker 6>day one. I don't think you've followed it very closely

451
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<v Speaker 6>other than just general news.

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<v Speaker 3>No I have.

453
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<v Speaker 2>I have not read transcripts. I have not watched videotapes.

454
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<v Speaker 2>I have not listened to the points for the clarity

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<v Speaker 2>of the audience. Okay, hold on, just so that I

456
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<v Speaker 2>know what you have. But tell me from my audience

457
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<v Speaker 2>so they will understand where you're coming from. You your

458
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<v Speaker 2>belief is that she was framed?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely?

461
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, no, this one. Just want people now.

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<v Speaker 6>When we talked about this, you know the last time

463
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<v Speaker 6>around it that you hadn't followed her real closely, and

464
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<v Speaker 6>judge is judge them by some of your answers just

465
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<v Speaker 6>now to the previous do callers, I can kind of

466
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<v Speaker 6>tell that you had, had you been following them more closely,

467
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<v Speaker 6>you would understand some of the comments that that these

468
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<v Speaker 6>guys are making.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe me, Danielle. I do want to explain to

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<v Speaker 2>me the comments that you don't think I understood. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think I don't know what the evidence is of

472
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<v Speaker 2>the Sally point?

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<v Speaker 6>You want this last one that this last guy that

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<v Speaker 6>just went to talk about the judge, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 6>to love.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the thing, daniel Danielle.

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<v Speaker 2>Danielle, bear with me for a second, Okay, all right.

478
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<v Speaker 2>I Am not going to allow anyone to They can

479
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<v Speaker 2>express an opinion if they want to say, in my opinion,

480
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<v Speaker 2>the judge has not been fair to Karen Reid. I'm

481
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<v Speaker 2>like a judge. I will allow that in this court

482
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<v Speaker 2>of conversation. But I'm not going to allow someone to

483
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<v Speaker 2>try to end it as a fact. There is the

484
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<v Speaker 2>difference between saying, in my opinion, I believe this judge

485
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<v Speaker 2>has been unfair. There's a difference between that and saying

486
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<v Speaker 2>this judges in the bag for the prosecution's lawyer.

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<v Speaker 6>Ees, he doesn't know anybody. I mean, some of us

488
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<v Speaker 6>don't know you.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I'm a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, you could you could tell me anything

491
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<v Speaker 2>in your opinion. But when you say to me, if

492
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<v Speaker 2>you want to say to me on this show, Dan,

493
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<v Speaker 2>the sun rises in the east, you don't have to

494
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<v Speaker 2>qualify that with me as your opinion, because we know that.

495
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.759
<v Speaker 2>But I'm running a show here which wants to try

496
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<v Speaker 2>to be fear to everyone, and sometimes it's a little

497
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<v Speaker 2>bit of like a.

498
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<v Speaker 3>Law school class that I run.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes here I might have an opinion about the judge,

500
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<v Speaker 2>but I am going to express my opinion in a way.

501
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<v Speaker 2>I might think she's a terrific judge. You have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea what I think about her. But I don't want

503
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<v Speaker 2>someone to come in and disparage a judge in my

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<v Speaker 2>court in what I'm going to call this the court

505
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<v Speaker 2>of public opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>So go ahead and say what you want. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that Brennan probably was you said you have

508
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<v Speaker 6>a great deal of respect on him, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 6>you join others with that same sentiment. But I think

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<v Speaker 6>that him taking this case, in my opinion, is going

511
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<v Speaker 6>to put a couple of dents in his halo because

512
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<v Speaker 6>he's not making himself.

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<v Speaker 5>Look very good. He's repeatedly.

514
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<v Speaker 6>Said false things which appeared to be deliberate and then

515
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<v Speaker 6>backtrack and say, oh, no, no, no, that was a mistake.

516
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<v Speaker 6>I don't mean to say it that way. He openly

517
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<v Speaker 6>blamed the defense for not turning over discovery and that

518
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<v Speaker 6>he got some information from the sets, and then he

519
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<v Speaker 6>had to apologize and say, well, he actually didn't apologize,

520
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<v Speaker 6>he just made a correction said oh, actually it was

521
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<v Speaker 6>a defense that gave it to me. I mean, he's

522
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<v Speaker 6>done some really.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, let me say this, I know Hank Brennan

524
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<v Speaker 2>well enough to know that when this is over, whether

525
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<v Speaker 2>he successfully wins the case, meaning he convicts Karen Reid,

526
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<v Speaker 2>or he loses the case, I think people will see

527
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<v Speaker 2>a real trial lawyer, who normally is a defense lawyer,

528
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<v Speaker 2>by the way, acting in his role as a prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that he will do a better job

530
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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of the decisions that might have been

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<v Speaker 2>made by the prosecution he gets a second look. It's

532
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<v Speaker 2>always easier to play the eighteenth hole if you're the

533
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<v Speaker 2>if you're the second person playing the hole, because you

534
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<v Speaker 2>can watch other people in front of you played it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same principle.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, the guy in front of you thinks that he

538
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<v Speaker 2>can he can drive at three hundred yards and avoid

539
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<v Speaker 2>the stand traps. You realize when he hits the ball

540
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<v Speaker 2>and it only goes to sixty, he's in the trap

541
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<v Speaker 2>that maybe you're going to play it a little short

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<v Speaker 2>at the trap.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I'm saying. That's that's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 6>You two other quick things. I know you said you

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<v Speaker 6>gotta go to break, but it's also important to mention

546
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<v Speaker 6>that it wasn't just the text messages that Practor sent

547
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<v Speaker 6>to number four. Do you know what was the fourth

548
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<v Speaker 6>thing that he was found guilty of? The operating a

549
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<v Speaker 6>crew there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, Well if you if you listen, I read

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<v Speaker 2>just so you know, I read verbatim at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of this hour the four specifications, including the one and

553
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<v Speaker 2>I said trooper. According the the colonel found that Trooper

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<v Speaker 2>Proctor consumed alcoholic beverages while eating to her on duty

555
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<v Speaker 2>and then proceeded to operate his department issued cruiser.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 6>Frankly, I don't think his family is doing anything good

558
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<v Speaker 6>for him going out and crying about his emotional well being.

559
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<v Speaker 6>Because he's a homicide detective. It's not the first death

560
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<v Speaker 6>he's scene. And if he's that emotional and busted up

561
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<v Speaker 6>over and that caused him to do these funny things,

562
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<v Speaker 6>and maybe this isn't the job for him.

563
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<v Speaker 7>But that's daniel.

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<v Speaker 6>Ing.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to be really quick because I'm up the.

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<v Speaker 6>Police officers in the courtroom the previous caller, and it

567
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<v Speaker 6>wasn't about uniforms. They couldn't do that. He's talking about

568
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<v Speaker 6>the family of John O'Keeffe and the third party culprits

569
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<v Speaker 6>that that sat with the O'Keeffe family during closing arguments

570
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<v Speaker 6>and stared the jury down, uh and made them feel

571
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<v Speaker 6>very uncomfortable. Brian Albert And again that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Again again, that's a subjective allegation on your part.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. And you sure have.

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<v Speaker 6>Come forward and said that, I mean, that's not well,

575
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<v Speaker 6>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>If two jurors have come forward and said that, Danielle,

577
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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't make it so. It doesn't make it so.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you that if you want to phrase

579
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<v Speaker 2>it and say to me, well, a couple of the

580
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<v Speaker 2>jurors have said they felt intimidated, and they're on the record.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, but you got to be I want to

582
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<v Speaker 2>make you a lawyer, Danielle. That's what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 3>All right. I gotta let you go.

584
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<v Speaker 6>Karen Reid will never be gotta go, Karen go.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks very much, Danielle, good night. We'll be back on

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<v Speaker 3>night Side right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

588
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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ, the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave everyone a warning about twenty minutes ago that

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<v Speaker 2>you had to get in early. Now we have an

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<v Speaker 2>abundance of callers. All of you are not going to

592
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<v Speaker 2>get in. Those of you who I am going to

593
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<v Speaker 2>call on. If you want to be brief and help

594
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 2>other people who called in late, you want to do that,

595
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that's very fine, but I'm not rushing anybody.

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<v Speaker 7>And Nick go right ahead and next to the night said, Hey, Dan,

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<v Speaker 7>how you doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I got two quick questions for you. I know you're

599
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<v Speaker 4>a lawyer. Don't make this real quick.

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<v Speaker 7>You said, the defense will not bring procteron. A prosecutor

601
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<v Speaker 7>would not bring procteron is a witness. But what's stopping

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<v Speaker 7>the defense from calling him is a witness.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing could, nothing would stop the defense from calling him

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<v Speaker 2>as a witness. But I don't think that his appearance

605
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<v Speaker 2>of the witness stand would be of any help to

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you could argue, but I think that you

609
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<v Speaker 2>could argue, what's that.

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<v Speaker 3>What I said?

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<v Speaker 7>The defense would want him on the stand, yes, right,

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<v Speaker 7>right right.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecution also might say, well, we got to put

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<v Speaker 2>him on the stand, and we got to clean him up,

615
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<v Speaker 2>and we got to clean him up by by by

616
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<v Speaker 2>getting it out in front of the jury that yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was terminated.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a strategy that might be used.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be a tough decision for for Brendan to deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your second question?

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<v Speaker 7>My second question is it men in Massachusetts have a

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<v Speaker 7>case we tried with the same judge, she become the

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<v Speaker 7>judge of the cases.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very common.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very common unless unless unless the judge either decides

626
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<v Speaker 2>to recuse him or herself, or if there's a motion made.

627
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<v Speaker 2>If one party of the prosecution defense feels the judge

628
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<v Speaker 2>was un fear in the first case and they want

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<v Speaker 2>to risk making a motion to recuse, they can that's

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<v Speaker 2>possible as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, she she very clearly wants to sit wants

632
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<v Speaker 3>to see this trial to the to the end.

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<v Speaker 7>I think so, And I'll leave on his statement. The

634
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<v Speaker 7>Albutt and McCabe's if they're not guilty, they made they're

635
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<v Speaker 7>doing everything to make themselves look guilty. In my opinion, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, in your opinion, I'm glad. I'm glad you added

637
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<v Speaker 2>that in your opinion. That's your that's a good that's

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<v Speaker 2>a good lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks make thank you, good night, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great night. Joe and revered Joe. Gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>you in. Maybe get one more in.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see, go ahead, Joe, thank you, you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>real quick.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the way that was definitely set up, there's

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<v Speaker 8>too much stuff going on. Policemen losing their licenses, phones,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean stuff like that, like couldn't find them, they

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<v Speaker 8>lost them. A second trial. I think it's terrible. And

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<v Speaker 8>I believe there were a lot of marketings on that

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<v Speaker 8>officer that died that weren't related to a car accident.

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<v Speaker 8>So like people know in that house what happened. Why

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<v Speaker 8>aren't they bringing more people in from that house and

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<v Speaker 8>asking them what happened that night, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's part of the investigation and we will

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<v Speaker 2>see how it plays out the second time.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I just think I haven't I've been following it,

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<v Speaker 8>and I haven't seen a lot of people that were

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<v Speaker 8>at that party that they've actually questioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them who were at that party were on

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<v Speaker 2>the witness stand during the first trial, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>some of them be also on the on the wood

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<v Speaker 2>stand dur in the second drop.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Joe.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, jan good.

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<v Speaker 2>Night, Karen. I'm going to give you thirty seconds. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple other callers who may not make it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you thirty seconds. Go ahead, Karen.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan, So, I'm just wondering quick question.

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<v Speaker 5>I apologize if you already answer this. What happens to

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Proctor's other cases, They're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to be impacted. It will depend upon what they

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<v Speaker 2>will find out in other cases. If he if he

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<v Speaker 2>all all of his his reputation as an investigator, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure will be invoked by defense lawyers and other cases,

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<v Speaker 2>and what if sort of an impact that will have

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<v Speaker 2>on the jury in those cases will obviously be It

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<v Speaker 2>will be determined. But that's a great question. Karen, wish

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<v Speaker 2>gave you more time. Wish you called earlier because.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the best.

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<v Speaker 3>Give you the best question of the night. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>We are changing topics and we are going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Israel, the war with hamas with the.

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<v Speaker 4>UH.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest schedule is the Consul General to New England,

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli Consul General to New England, Benny Sharoni. We

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<v Speaker 2>will join with him and calls are invited if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get on dial now, come on back on Nightside.