Speaker 1: But you know, what I'm hoping for is a good
Star Wars new leadership happening. So we got this. This
came out late last night from Puck and then a
bunch of other places. Puck is more like a business
insider one, so that's.
Speaker 2: Like a hockey podcast or something.
Speaker 3: Is it an acronym or is it just called PUCK.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually don't know because they don't
do scoops all the time, but when they do scoops
it is more the business oriented of Hollywood. So this
came out and then everybody like s t your scoopers
jumped on, So clearly this had been out and I'm
not sure if like Kennedy and her team were Lucasfilm, like, hey,
don't say anything, Like I'm wondering, because it came out
of like I can't remember last night. It was like
eight nine, Like it came out on the Eastern time.
It would have been like eleven twelve. He was late.
It's not when news is dropping. Since I feel like
someone in blew the whist like Okay, we're gonna push
this out because everyone was like, oh yeah, I've heard
this since the end of twenty twenty four. Oh, I
heard this in November. It's like, why are we hearing
about it now? But suppose we report is that Kathy
Kennedy is stepping down at the end of twenty twenty five.
Obviously she took over whenever they did to Bai, I
think it's twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, and George stepped down.
He recommended her, saying, hey, she had already been a
co president of Lucasfilm, but said, hey, I'm selling this.
I want her to run everything she did. Obviously, it's
been a very mixed road. Lots of high highs, but
lots and lots and lots of low low, so it's
been all over. Obviously she's stepping down. There's no like
right now as far as who's the front brother, other
than people think it's gonna be felony. But there's a
lot of people that think that Disney might not go
that route. Obviously we're obviously we're in a strange time
because Bob Iger is also retiring in twenty twenty six,
and then obviously Foggy. There's lots of rumblings WHI we're
going to talk about Figgi here. But yeah, she's supposedly
stepping down. Uh, Folony's been tossed about. FA's been tossed about.
Apparently there is from Steer Scooper saying Foggy has expressed
interests of taking over. I don't know if that would
mean both or that would mean leaving the Marvel post.
I would imagine, but now this and it could just
be so somebody like an Emma Watts who was a
big time producer at Warnabas for a while left and
she's been doing stuff for a while, or just somebody
else out there in the ether, like how you know
we learned about Big Dan Lann, right, we didn't know
Big Dan Lann and then he was gonna be the
DC guy and then now he's not. Now he's at
Netflix making Christopher no on Ai videos. But it's James Gunn.
Maybe it's a partnership. I don't know. So kirkle me,
I'll throw it to you because I saw you smile,
so you know, take it. What do you think about this?
Speaker 2: I feel like this has been a long time coming,
just with how spicy some of our casts have been
around the Star Wars subject. I'm not like a big
follower on the ins and outs of what's going on
with like the general maybe audience's opinion on Kathy Kennedy.
It's just based on kind of a certain project. I
don't know that and then don't come out like that's
just been a repetitive thing. And to me, someone fucked
up for that to happen, And the easiest person to
blame is the one at the top of the pyramids.
So I definitely think that they should be taking the
most of the the weight of of of that flack,
if there even is that. Like, I don't really know
what the internal discourses amongst.
Speaker 3: Like the lucasfilms or anything like.
Speaker 2: That, like what, yeah, just the overall vibe, like are
do they think they're killing it? Like you know, like
like for the last few years been like Kathleen, you're
you're so good at your job, We're gonna keep resigning
your contract and you're just you're you're the bee's knees lady.
Like is that the internal or has it been you
need to perform or this is you're you're out, Norman
and well even gonna fire you because this is such
a big position. People in those positions usually don't get fired.
They get they're stepping down. You know that's how they yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And people don't know if that is it. People don't
know if it's a her decision or if it's.
Speaker 2: Like like nothing's coming out. So to me, something is
wrong for that to be happening, right like that. That
that's my perspective on it. So to hear this news,
it's it's just like, well, yeah, that that was gonna
happen at some point. I'm surprised maybe it took this long,
but the fact that we haven't had another Star Wars
movie since was it actually the last Skywalker?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: Okay, right, Skywalker the last guy was gonna Skywalker Saga
movie is what I meant to say.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, r six years.
Speaker 2: So for me, it's just kind of been like a
long leak. Now the tires finally flat, like and she's
she's she's leaving. I'm a lot more intrigued on kind
of who's going to be stepping into that role and
just what's what their pitches, you know, like when James
Gunn and uh Peter Saffron, Yeah you got nice, I'm
learning guys number two, Like when they when they stepped in,
it's like, this is the slate, this is what's happening.
And then of course, you know, famously we had the
Star Wars slate of what's going to be happening. We
saw some of those projects. But I I'm just intrigued
if that is going to be the case, or if
it's just going to be a quiet takeover nothing really
is changing. I hope it's not that case though.
Speaker 1: Two things. God Loves Me six nights. It's easy but
hard to play the blame with so many moving parts,
And yeah it is, And I don't think it's all
like just like it's just athlete Kennedy, right, Like I
don't think there's a bunch of stuff that happened, and
like if you look at her track record, one of
the greatest producers of all time, like she helped Spielberg
produce Jurassic Park, like arguably it could be the greatest
movie all time. And even like when Stars started, I
think it was good. But there's just even other things
like the Han Soul thing. You could say that's her fault,
but maybe not her fault, Like you could say, maybe
it's a good thing. I was like they were making
a bad movie and she decided to pivot, right, you
could say white to agree before. But and I think
like when you're Tumboutkirkle, and the problem was all I
won't say the problem, but I guess a good thing
for her was anytime there was like a misstep, it's like, okay, right,
Skywalk came out, but Manda was happening and that was
a huge win. And there's a bunch of men. But
then and Or came out and they got like lots
of praise for it and stuff. So now I don't
know if it's just the timing. There was some rumors,
there's a bunch of stuff. There's rumors that she was
originally gonna retire after Nana Jones because they thought it
was gonna be a win, so she was gonna kind
of go out like you know, home run them out here,
and then that didn't work out. And then there's also
rumors that when the whole Chapiic Eiger thing happened been
that they asked her like, could you just stand for
a bit, because remember I retired, They got shape it.
He came in, pissed everyone off, fivey all this stuff,
they said, make a make ten Disney plus shows all
this stuff, and then Ager came back and that is
a rumor that supposedly she did try to leave originally,
and they're like just just like wait, we don't want
you to go so again, like people might I know
some people are gonna definitely spin it like oh Disney
got her out. It legitimately could just be her like hey,
I'm done. Like she's like I think she's near seventy.
She's been working. She has like a fifty plus career,
Like you look at her IMDb credits, Like way before
we were talking about on the podcast for Star Wars,
she's working a bunch of different movies and like Indiana
Jones before, right and et like a bunch of stuff.
So Armani Martinez says, does it prove the Last I
impacted starters and its viability for the future and after
I don't. I know some people put that on Last Jedi.
I personally don't. I put that more on Rise of
Skywalker and the aftermath, like what Kirklan instead of just
the stopping star projects. I know every like a bunch
of people in the internet hate Last Jedi and whatnot
and they killed But like, I think if Last Jedi
was really that bad, Rise of Skywalker wouldn't have made
a million. I think Rise of Skywalker was more damaging
because that felt like that was like because that was
the ending to it, all right, it's last time you
see Lea, last time you see Luke. So it's like
even the middle chapters like, oh right, the ending though,
that has to be special and the fact that it's not.
But do you guys describe that all you think Last
Jedi is where this all started? Or you think it's
kind of a collection of things, because I know a
lot of people are gonna have that narrative of like, oh,
it was good until that movie came out.
Speaker 2: You know, No, I don't think so. I definitely echo
what you mentioned there, or the Rise of Skywalker is
just more significant of a yeah, of a negative notch.
Speaker 1: The only thing that's where all went wrong Last Jedi.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I have no idea. I need to hear
Taylor's thought on this.
Speaker 4: Taylor, I would say that's where things became divisive.
Speaker 1: Devisive, But do you think that's where you think that's
the starting point where they couldn't recover, Like Last Jedi
came out, and from that, no matter what Cathy did,
they were just fucked because like a couple years later
Mando comes out and huge, So that's.
Speaker 4: That's not where it started, and things are downhill. I
would say, I don't think that's where it started, where
things were going downhill.
Speaker 1: Say it again, I thought you did say that, though
I thought you said yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's where the fan base became divisive. But
I don't think that's where people were starting to throw
the blame onto Kathleen Kennedy.
Speaker 1: When last jed I came out, that was definitely more
Ryan Johnson. I think I think there was more people
are like, oh, this guy came in and he ruined
Star Wars, even though it's like all these execs approve
and they and they gave him his own trilogy, right,
so they liked what he was doing. But h and finally,
s Bub says, it'd be interested to do cast looking
at all the canceled, scrap Star Wars stuff for the
last ten years. Stay tuned in July because we have
a bunch of casts planned for our ten year and
that is pretty much the thing we're gonna do for
the CANTEENA conversations. Let's just look at the last ten
years of because like, really, sport Awakens came out the
first year the podcast started, So we've been there, so
we're gonna stay tuned. But Taylor don't say he wants
to hear more from you. So, tayor, what do you
feel about this whole situation about Kathy and then you
got any preference of who you want to take the crown?
Big Dan Lynn, Big Dan Lynn.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: We've talked about this many a time before, just the
Kathleen Kennedy and all that, and just the the issues
and stuff that Disney is having with with Star Wars.
Speaker 5: It's not it's not great.
Speaker 4: So her planning a retirement and the news kind of
dropping at the wee hours that it did, I think, Okay,
she just beating something to the punch here because something
was being played around and she renewed her contract what
two years ago? I feel like it was when we
were doing that Star Wars celebration late night stream, Travis.
I thought that was around there.
Speaker 1: It was around that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So something is obviously causing her to cut
that short because I don't think you just you just
canceled midway through a contract like this.
Speaker 1: I think two year contract, thought it was.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a five year, a four or
five year and I think it's two years into it
now she's canceling, and I think either way, I'm pretty
sure she's she's not fully complete did that contract with them,
So there's there's something going on there now. I know
at the end of the day, like I love Dave Filony,
I love the stuff, the certain projects that he does
because there's there's a certain connection to those characters that
I can I can jive with. But at its core,
I do agree he's not the right fit to replace
her because she is someone who, yes, she's producing things,
she also is sitting in and doing a lot more
business oriented things, lots of stuff that's devoid of the
creative aspect.
Speaker 5: That's where you got John and you got Dave.
Speaker 4: They're working on the creative aspect of things, and they
can stay in those types of positions, but there's certain
things here that you need to have someone who is
producing these projects and someone that can I think, be
more suited to that business end of the end of things.
Speaker 1: And Figgy put them in there and change that cap up.
Speaker 5: I can pig Star Wars caps That's.
Speaker 1: How you should do it. Though Disney for listening that
he should at some convention, take off a hat and
imagine it's like the downy thing where he puts on
a hat and it's a fucking Star Wars logo. That
that pot would be huge, that'd be I'm telling you
Disney steal that I do it.
Speaker 5: So I I I do think.
Speaker 4: I think that we just need to get some projects
out that are just very very.
Speaker 5: Simple, simple stuff. And I think some.
Speaker 4: Of the projects maybe next year, Like and Or feels
incredibly simple, but it's it's I'm gonna say it's very
much a niche thing because it's simplicity. It's talking, it's
going into like imperial political stuff, imperial are sorry, like espionage,
all that spy stuff.
Speaker 5: It's got so many.
Speaker 4: Different things, very simple, but it's like, hey, this is great.
I know not everyone is super into like the political
part of the empire, but I eat that ship up
for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Speaker 5: I love it for breakfast. It's just it's it's great.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely fantastic, and other shows didn't need to be
super heavyly reliant on the cameos, even though again I
eat that stuff up.
Speaker 5: I like it, but not everyone does.
Speaker 4: People like the originality of and Or because it's and
we'll talk more about the trailer later, but it's just
it's it's original, it's not relying on anything. It's just
you see familiar things from the universe, and that's great.
And then you have something like Boba Fett, where you
got all we've got the rank Orp and we got
all these other things in.
Speaker 5: Here and and whatnot. It's like, Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 4: There's some originality things tossed in there, and they're not
really relying on things like cad Baine and whatnot. So
I can appreciate that you get the Pikes, but in
terms of just simplicity, I think we just.
Speaker 5: Need a point A to be Star Wars Adventure.
Speaker 4: And I think Disney really pivoting to Disney Plus is
in introspect damaging for them. I think it'll be by
the time we get Mando, what's seven years since we've
had a movie on the big screen, which that's a failure,
and that is Kathleen Kennedy's failure.
Speaker 5: You cannot dismiss that. Has she had a great early career.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, as you said, there's like et there's a Jurassic Park,
tons of stuff with Spielberg. So she's got an amazing
resume there, but at this point she doesn't have to
worry about she's not.
Speaker 5: Gonna be going look look for another job. She's gonna
be retiring.
Speaker 4: But at this point this is definitely something that would
not save you if you were looking for another job,
because this is definitely a massive failure and this is
not gonna this doesn't earn money into shareholders podcasts.
Speaker 5: People are pissed.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, we've talked about most of those Star
Wars films, all of them except Solo.
Speaker 5: They're billion dollar movies and.
Speaker 4: That's fantastic, but those were what once a year, once
every two years, and now here we are seven years
empty and that's profits Disney and Shareholders could have been
making and they're not making that kind of money. So
they're gonna be upset about that obviously. And the shows, Yes,
the shows are making money off of the subscriptions and whatnot,
but we've seen how many viewerships that these newer shows
have and they're not like breaking records, right.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, are they anymore? Though? Like, are
people so script I'm Disney plus for the new shows.
If someone say they're subscribed for Star Wars the brand. Okay,
I can understand that, but I don't even think it's that.
I think it's just to have like, oh the backlog,
and I like these movies, but like Acolyte, what was
I think it was like it broken. Like for the
streaming numbers, the first episode or two is in the
top ten and that was just a big nose die
Skeleton crew, which I love. I think is one of
the best Star Wars things they've done since they've started.
They never even gone to the top ten of stream
the whole time was on, So it's like, I don't
even know if you can make that case anymore then,
and Mana's going to the theater, so it's not like Mando,
like people are subscribed for Mando anymore. It's gonna be
on the big screen now because people have said, like
that's what's happening with Mando is it's the Moana two
thing where it is pretty much was supposed to be
the season and they said, I just make it a movie, you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, And I mean I think you mentioned it
where like if she retires and then Mendo comes out,
that's under her umbrella, so she's ending on the high note.
Speaker 5: If it makes a billion dollars, and you're.
Speaker 4: Totally right, and I would not I would not put
that put it past them to think, Okay, that's what
they're gonna do, because I think Andro's gonna be a hit,
I really really do.
Speaker 5: I think that's the last show as well.
Speaker 4: In Disney Plus, we don't have any We know there's
an Ahsoka season two, but we have nothing else on that.
We just know that's a film to looking at it. Yeah,
so that's way out to lunch. There's no other shows
coming out after and or for Disney Plus not think slated.
The only thing that we have slated is the Mandalorid
and grogl movie.
Speaker 5: That's it. That's caput.
Speaker 4: So there's nothing else to really look like look down
on like what we got coming around.
Speaker 1: The corner, which could make a lot of sense now
with this timing of like there's not much on the
horizon and we're about to shift gears, which might not
be a bad thing because remember the awkward moment when
Gun and Saffron took over and they still had Blue Beetle, Auquaman,
Shazam too, and it was all these movies from a
dead universe, and like they never said that, but it's like, well,
these movies like really mean nothing in the great even
flashed extent, right, like they meant nothing where I guess
it's the only bad thing is because our armory asked
us about the Revenge is coming back to theaters. I
think it's just to like if it does big man,
I don't think it's gonna be big money. I think
I'll just do fine. I think it's just because it's
a twentieth anniversary put it out there. But the Ray
movie and everything like all that in the new trilogy
they announced. I think anything that they it's classic Star Wars, right,
but like legitimately this time, there's like a good reason
that anything that's been out there announced. I think it's
kind of like the gun thing of like don't hold
your breath, like if it's non production like the Ray movie,
don't know if that's gonna happen, that Mangled movie, because
if it's just like Folony or Favre, they might come
in and go, oh yeah, sure, let's just keep going, right.
And that's why God was just six ninety asked like,
is there any sore thumbs or absolutely no ways in
the runner lineup for me, it is folony. I don't
I'm not gonna fire him. I'm not saying to get
rid of him, keep them in his post, but he's
I think the problem is he's very much like George,
which is a funny thing because he creates Star Wars,
but like he sees Star Wars one way, and sometimes
that doesn't create the best product to watch. And I
think there's a lot of stuff, especially the past few
years of Actlyte. The rumors was like he took a
chainsaw to that show. Like a writer said like, oh, yeah,
he changed a bunch of stuff. She deactivated her account,
and then a bunch of Scooper's like, yeah, he fucked up,
like he did a lot with that show. Because the
problem is, which is not a bad thing, there's certain
things that aren't Star Wars or it's too dark, like
the way George would feel like, oh, that's like even
stuff with the books that George would like, Oh, I
would never put that in my movie because like mar Jade,
that doesn't match Star Wars for X, Y and Z, right,
but I don't you know, George shouldn't have sold that
was the case, and Dave's not the owner owner, so
for me, and like what that producer said in that
Hollywood article that said he'd get killed from all sides.
I absolutely agree with that because the stuff like Taya
said that Kathy's doing. I'm sure they've had Folony doing it,
but Kathy's been doing it for forty years plus. You
can't just learn. And Filoni's taking his real posts like
I'd say, like Mandalorian Times, so the same thing. Ryce
Skoyle walker six this year, so tons of more experience
than other people have. But for me, it cannot be him,
and that's why I like, if it is him or John,
I think I have my preference of like, I'd rather Favro,
but I don't think he's a gun I don't think
he just wants James Gunn wants to make comic movies
the rest of his life. I don't think Favra wants
to make stars with the rest of his life. But
I don't know that. Maybe he does, maybe he's like,
fuck yeah, it's the best gig ever. But if it's
those two, I think things are relatively the same, and
to me that's not a good thing. They're like if
fig he gets in there, I think there's a big change.
I don't know if that's a good thing. But like
if fig he gets in there, I don't think anything's safe,
like the Ray movie, the trilogy, Like I don't like,
is Figgy gonna want to soak a season two? Like
I don't know. And that's to see Figy and Folony
like that interview. I'm not saying they were like hay Shawn.
I'm just like, that's it's so interesting because that would
be like the dad and stepdad situation where Star Wars
is the kid and Flony was the dad. But now
fig he's married the former wife. It's like, no, this
is my son now too, and it's like and full
like cause that's the thing that if Fi he's expressing
interest in it, that means he like he's getting at MCU.
I think one Secret Wars an x Men is done,
Like he's gonna he's gonna do x Men do a
home run? Oh he started on x Men two thousand,
he finished on MCU. What more is there for him
to do? So it's like if he's expressing interest and
if I'm ig and everything, sure, the MCU has been
like iffy right now, but it's like, how do you
not try it out? But I also wonder because my
last point on the God's Colonies six nine comment is
the article mentioned that Kathy's like recommending Filoni be the person.
I could see a scenario that Fulloni is like the
interim guy and it goes really bad and they just
like almost use his escapegoat to get rid of him.
Because Figgy, I don't think he's gonna become the Star
Wars present during Secret Wars and k it's not King
Dicey Toombsday and all that stuff, Like he stills a
couple more years. So I can almost see them like, oh, yeah, sure,
let's let's have Dave. But I feel like they might
chap pick Dave Foloni and give it to him, and
when everything goes wrong, like yeah, see he was never
the right guy, let's give it to and then imagine
that because Figgie could be coming off billion dollar Doomsday,
billion dollar Secret Wars.
Speaker 5: Bring Kennedy back, just like they brought Iger back.
Speaker 1: Maybe, But like that that's me with Filony is like
I just a lot of things. I just still I
think he's there creatively, but he should not be the guy,
you know.
Speaker 4: So, and my last closing being here, I just want
to share a couple of these crazy Kennedy thumbnails because
he's always just cracked me up Kennedy trade and these
are real YouTube thumbnails. Everybody, there's that one that got
this one. This made me laughed.
Speaker 1: This she wants to leave.
Speaker 5: And then this is my personal favorite of the nights.
Speaker 1: Oh my, this will change nothing. You'll miss me when
I'm gone. Right, Well, okay, that had that's all bad, right,
but the headline this will change nothing. If it is
just Dave and John, it does really to me, changing
nothing other than like they have less experience than her,
So like I think it would be work. Like I
think if you asked me to pick Kathy John er Filoney,
I'd say get Kathy back for more years, because then
that's just more of the same with less experience. I
know will say, Oh, Favreau is MCU. I just don't.
I just don't see fabrou doing it. Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe that's why he's directed to mandalorin Grogu so you
can be like the fucking guy, right, that's his superman.
I don't know.
Speaker 5: There you go, Dylan, how do you have you got?
How do you feel you know?
Speaker 3: This is perfect? I am the pupil. You guys are
my teachers, because I've been so checked out of Star
Wars the last few years that like, this is all
really useful context and I'm sure the aud I feel
like the audience right now, which which is perfect kind
of exactly what I need here. I'm trying to think
so flony you know, what was his involvement in Mandalorian
season one? Again in season one and two?
Speaker 1: Writer? And then is he showrunners favre showrunner?
Speaker 3: Like it's fare.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I think he's like a head writer.
Speaker 3: So he's got his fingers in there a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just because in.
Speaker 3: Terms of looking at him as being the successor here,
I just have no context because I haven't really engaged
with any of the Flony era of Star Wars stuff.
And it sounds like there's definitely some pros and cons
to it, but yeah, the timing of it does seem
kind of strained. But maybe that's you know, intentional too.
But I think what you're saying there, Travis, of how
there's like issues with these other like Disney CEOs, you
know there was a writer's strike, there's still like COVID
obviously put a huge dent on a lot of things,
and so maybe like the time just never really felt
quite right and they just felt like, Okay, things are
so chaotic right now, we just got to keep this
level of consistency, keep her in this role until like
things smooth out a bit. But at some point you
just you just got to make the tough decision, the
sunk cost fallacy of it, and just chop it off
and go with something new. Now what you're saying, if
they just promote some other guy who's kind of been
in that same boat, then we're gonna change much. But
at the same time, it's like, wow, getting thrown in
here seems so impossible for anyone else right who doesn't
have all the context, And maybe what you guys are
saying of like, how right now that doesn't seem like
there's a ton of things that are actually in a
meaningful state of production. So maybe this is a good
time to do it when things are kind of low.
But it also means all those things that were talked
about and announced in our official quote unquotes are kind
of just fantasies at this point too, which I can
see why it's disappointing. But yeah, I mean, I think
at some point you just got to make the tough decision.
It's gonna be uphill battle either way. And it feels
like this is this is not working. And I mean,
I don't know. I'm sure there's a lot of people
in my same boat where it's like I just want
to go to the theaters and watch a Star Wars movie.
I'm not interested in these shows. Yeah, and so they
just got to give me something. They're just unable to
do that. We're finally gonna get next you with Mando,
but yeah, that's taking a freaking long time when that's
probably like your more profitable stuff, I would imagine. Yeah, Like,
I feel like Disney Plus is probably capped out for
the most part of where it's going to be now.
They growth is probably very slow. So at the same time,
you got to feed the beast with new shows to
keep people subscribed. But at the same time, the movies
are where you want to be. It's the golden goose
right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I think the only way Disney Plus grows
is like if they somehow get like a Game of
Thrones level hit show on their hands, where it becomes
like the Musty Show. But I just don't see that.
How what they operate?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or if they acquire like the paramounts of the
world or other random stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, Transformer series very excited, right, Transformer series. They
got paramount that's don't worry about it. I agree that
the hard decisions because like I'm saying, he had more
hard decisions. But can you imagine James Gunn when he
becomes president and then Black Adam comes out and Henry
Cavill in the post credit, and then a week later
Henry Cavill announces that he's back to Superman. You know
how you know that's why that man's hair is white.
How hard that must have been to sit and because
the rumor is like Cavill was not happy with anybody
but particular that I did to get sat down like
we're not doing that. He put on a nice post
but it's like imagine that, like he announces that, and
then three weeks later they get him into a room
like we need you to announce you're not suit anymore.
Speaker 5: Was that face to face and didn't gun.
Speaker 1: It was face to face? Rumor was no rumors. It
was face to face, and the rumor was it didn't
go well it's not saying fucked him up. He's just
outside windows. Like I'm not saying no. I don't think
anything was unprofessional. I just think like Henry Ever had
and yeah, like hed never right to be pissed, but
James Gunn had ever right to be like, hey, we're
gonna just start over and dine just ask you, not
from you like dil must the the guy who's like
if you're on stores, because I think he's like, yeah,
I do this. I could be into it.
Speaker 3: There's don't play stars out laws. That's all I want.
Speaker 1: To make the sequel, you know, if they were to
sit you down, because like the benefit gun had though, right,
and even if Foggy leaves and someone takes over brad
Winnebaum or somebody, if they say, hey, this isn't working,
we can start over with Star Wars. You don't really
have that. If someone were to sit you down and say, hey,
we got this new person that we think would be
a good fit, but they want to reboot everything. Would
would you do you think that's a plausible thing for
Star Wars to ever do just to start anew or
do you think it's like there's too much history and
legacy there for like the grand scope of people to
accept that we're you know, we're literally starting over. We're
gonna do like a new hope again. They'll retitle some things.
But I was just wondering from your perspective.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I mean, I don't think so. I think
at most what you'd maybe ever get someday is like
a remake. But that's not necessarily in the purpose of
being rebu it's just like a way to modernize it
or like modern tech and all that kind of stuff.
Uh yeah, don't I don't see them ever doing that.
I feel like there's just enough pockets and we kind
of meme about how they just stay in this dark
era and that's where all this stuff that's like released,
that's where all everything's happening. But there is still a
future untold that potentially is very interesting. You could even
if you want, just kick that fifty years down the
line instead of like four or five whatever, so you
can like separate it more, but it can still be
in the same world. And then once again, now you
have all that pocketed time in the middle, you can
fill in with stuff later if you want. And then
obviously you guys always talk about the old Republic and
that era and how there's a lot more to be
mined there as well.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think there's still so much they could do on
top of like yeah, like Solo, we you know, it's
not what we want it necessarily, but it's like if
they want to go back to that old stuff that
there's still places they can. I don't know, fine holes
find gaps to fill. So I don't I don't think
we'd ever ever see that.
Speaker 5: I'll say that.
Speaker 3: I'll boldly say that a remake, that's my say.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll ever see it. I bet
it will happen, but I bet we could be. They'll
like wait till that generation is dead, like anybody that
could have grown up with it and would feel sacred.
Speaker 3: For it, until they have spaceships that can move like
that and they can film it in real life.
Speaker 1: Once Tom Cruise has done his movie in space bag,
well he did it, we can we can do it
all and everything like that, and I that's the one
good thing. It's it's halfway because Taya, I know again
you defend your boy Filoni, but Cathy's gone, and then
Dave if he goes the rumor was that they don't
like the Old Republic. So that's another thing why I
want Folony out of here, because he's just again, it's
not Star Wars to him and George, it's just it's
too dark. It's just whatever it may be.
Speaker 4: And some of my favorite like media's are just Old
Republic stuff. I know, I haven't played much of that
Old Republic Star Wars game then online game, but man,
the cinematics they did was like this like Army of
Sith Versus, like the Soldiers like.
Speaker 2: This watch on YouTube. And then I remember when I
found that out. I'm like, how did I not know
about this game? And I like downloaded it out was
an MMO.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, the game, the game has has
it has this fan based tom that's fine, but those
cinematics are just like fifteen minutes of some of the
best Star Wars of the Republic cinematics, you'll see it is
fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 5: And that's get that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's true like your boys, that's your boy. Uh.
Speaker 1: The question that they asked earlier, when I circle back
to Super Mike, I said it would have been interesting
to see if they released me after Rise Skywalker taking
COVID out of the equation. Yeah, that's the thing we've
never had like that point of Okay, what would have happened,
because I don't know what they would have done, but
obviously COVID happened. Like we said, there's a lot of things.
Give them see COVID and strike happened, so delays by
multiple years. But yeah, it's just I think just Manda
was a hit and then COVID happened, and the entire
Hollywood world decided that streaming is now the future. And
then once COVID was over, they realized how much money
they don't make from streaming, and now they've tried to
go back to theaters. But as we see, it's like
tons of people are just happy to stay at home
because like The Gorge comes out on Apple or like
Netflix has fucking Electric stayed in a couple of weeks.
It's like you don't have to or these movies come
out in a few like Companion, Like and I can't
see right now because there's many people like myself that
like you know, have kids, jobs, life, busy, can't see it.
But like Companion was out fifteen days later. I was
very excited to watch. But it's like that's brutal, and
that's like saying thing like myself, I know that all
it's gonna be here, so I can just buy it
on vod and watch it there. But h yeah, that
would have been interesting. Let's see espposally Secret Wars hitting
fifteen million opening weekend like tear predicted for Cat five
resigns the next day. Yeah, that would be uh rough, Yeah,
that would be a bad time. But I think we're
I I does anyone here not think Doomsday and seare
Wars at least a billion dollar.
Speaker 3: Movies billion last year. Yeah, we're good Marvel sign.
Speaker 1: I think those are like easy check marks for them.
So yeah, we'll see, we'll see people. Some people say
we might hear some celebration. I don't know. I guess
maybe she could announce something. I guess it's in Japan,
so I'd hope they're nicer. I just would hate for
her to announce something and people to like cheer.
Speaker 5: That because I don't think she would an now that.
Speaker 1: I hope not, because I just don't want because she, like,
for whatever happens, is not deserve that or that crowds
like I'm leaving like like it's just like it's like, man,
she put in a lot of work and like like
not everything went right, but it's like, yeah, maybe it's
time for a new captain. But uh, yeah, this will
be an evolving story we talked about for the next year,
and who knows, maybe there's somebody we don't even know
out there and that's someone I wouldn't even mind either
if it's not Five or somebody like find the Five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're available, we're sells.
Speaker 1: You'd have to have us all because I wouldn't trust
any single one of them. I'm definitely not trusting tales too.
Speaker 3: I would just green lights laws to.
Speaker 5: Movies.
Speaker 3: Actual God, yeah no, you don't want to do.
Speaker 2: What would you green light Kirkland? You get the green
light Water Republic? Definitely Old Republic. I feel like the
money is at the reven storyline, Like let's just let's.
Speaker 5: Just doin Reven or Bane.
Speaker 1: You could pick one, you do both. They're kind of tactic.
Speaker 4: They kind of cross overigers like one double lights.
Speaker 2: It would have to be the Darth Baine series. And
I'm so biased on that because I've actually gone through
those novels.
Speaker 1: Wrong answers. So you can't do it because you need
the hero's journey. And I know as much you want that,
all you could not like if they were Pats or
walks up on stage like we're doing Darth Bane, like
the crowd goes a whild but like it's oh so
the new movies about fallowing the bad guy, like I
think you need you you can tie that in like
raving with the double lightsabers. That's a fucking cover right there,
like coming back and that's all you do for a bit.
That's what I'd say is, you know, tonight's O Republic,
We're gonna do one movie. You do maybe you can
do some animated stuff, but you don't do anything, no
other movies, no Dark Times, no prequel, no ray stuff.
You just build out this universe. Because imagine that measine
if you make a franchise that's like thousands years before
and it's a hit, and then you never have to
rely on well, we gotta get a Luke Deep Fate
back and all, who's gonna play Hansultan?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Like if you can just take like that's why fucking
love Skeleton Crew. That's what they did. They took Star
Wars and made their own thing they had little East rigs,
but not like, hey, this is Luke's cousin and all
this is Leah's blaster. Like no, it's like, oh you
know that planet, you know this, And they didn't even
go to shit like Taddy like Skeleton Cruise the fucking blueprint,
but not with kids. That's why it's saying all kids,
because it's not that's not a massive franchise. You know,
you just can't do that.
Speaker 5: So quick question.
Speaker 2: My Reven storyline is a bad guy anyways.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but so you don't do the story where
they he loses his memory.
Speaker 2: You would have to if you're making the movie, you
would have to.
Speaker 1: But that's your Empire strikes back twist. I've always, I
years ago in high school, wrote a three treatment. I
always that's a trilogy movie. That first game, you end
the second movie with the reveal of the Reven story,
and that's your dar favor.
Speaker 5: We're ready. We're ready, guys, We're ready.
Speaker 1: We did a trend chrome. We're ready to take on
Star Wars. Yeah. To take some one question.
Speaker 4: Skeletons, you question, uh, is it is the name of
the planet?
Speaker 5: Is it at of Holland Atlanta? At Aten it's at.
Speaker 1: Can't say I remember no great robot in that movie
or that show. So Dyl that's another one along with
and Or put Skeleton Crew on the list. It's a
it's good. Don't need to know anything about stars. You
could watch.
Speaker 3: I watched The Spider Man. Yet you think I'm watching
Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 1: No, I was just saying. I'm just saying, you hit
the jackpot and whatever, let's sake your hopes up. Don't
get the hopes up. Let's see a break and then
we'll quickly hit on and Or and then we'll be
right back and we're back So and Or. We thought
that was gonna be the biggest Star Wars news of
this week. They dropped a trailer and they also revealed
that the twelve episodes are gonna release in three episode batches.
So we went from a twelve week releaseket heard a
four week release schedule. I will say the trailer, I'm
awful trailer. I like what I saw that music. That
music is disgusting. They did this with Skeleton Crew. I
think they feel there's some crack pot team where they're
in their little looking at their stats and they saw
ack line and I think we need trailers with like
real music in it. No, not at all. To me,
the whole trailer is it's like scene and then quote
from critics saying the best Star Wars ever prestige television.
That music made it feel like it was not prestige television.
It made it feel like it was a fucking straight
to DVD thing. This stuff in it looked great, but
that music was awful.
Speaker 3: I'm like the end of Venom, Like what kind of
soundtracker are you talking here about?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 1: But it's just like it's just like rock and roll
music with like lyrics. It's like modern day music. And
to me, Star Wars that's that's a no. No. Aclte
did it, Skeleton Crew did it? And and or and guess what,
look at those rains for ack LIGHTE and Skeleton Crew
didn't fucking work out there. So I'm very excited. I'm
kind of bummed by it. I think everybody is a
lot pular excited by the re schedule. I guess for me,
it's probably more just podcasts related of one when from
twelve weeks of content to four. And then also just
like from a business standpoint, the first show was already
the lowest Star Wars show before Actlyte and Skeleton Crew.
So now it's like, now it's only out for four weeks,
Like I feel like this is easily people will could
miss it and then just forget about it. So I
don't know if it's like they're like putting it out
to pass or I don't think so, because the idea
is these three episodes, each of them tell an arc, right,
but they did that last time, but they did it weekly,
so I don't know. I am very excited to have
the best Star Wars back in the Disney era, so
it's gonna be a good time. I think those reviews
will be juicy. Not looking forward to Tuesdays where I
gotta watch like three fifteen minute episodes back to back
and then jump on for the review. That's me fun
to dangle with the kids and the twins. But uh yeah,
trailer looked fine, but the music choice someone should be
let go for that. Maybe that was that was it?
Actually Kathy's like, I have the song put on the
trailer and I gressaw. He's like, you're out. You know,
that's the last straw I saw the end or trailer
You're out by twenty and twenty five okay, I'll leave.
Speaker 2: But Kirklan's so extreme, You're so extreme.
Speaker 5: I it's funny.
Speaker 2: I I watched this this trailer first on my phone
at work with no volume, and I'm the Kirkland way
so good. Yeah that you know, always good. It's like
the the prequel trailer viewing. It's always no volume on
the phone. I got a new phone now, so it's
not the big screens, so it's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Sort of watch things.
Speaker 2: It's not come on, I'm trying to pretend I'm working,
you know. But anyways, So yeah, I thought it was
an amazing looking trailer and or to this day, I haven't.
I don't have a list, but I feel like it's
my favorite Disney Plus content.
Speaker 5: Like it it is.
Speaker 1: There's something on patren a couple of years ago recorded,
so there you go.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so there you go. Thank you for reminding everyone.
So yeah, I watched it there and then I rewatched
it on the iPad, bigger screen, but with audio this time,
and again I love the trailer. Music definitely took me
out of it. So I hear where you come from, Travis.
I I feel like initially I was liking the intensity
of the music but then I thought back to and
Or season one, and I'm like, that's actually like a
very like melancholy like tower show, and this music is
nothing of those.
Speaker 1: Vibes at a tempo, fast and furious music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and even what they were showing was like
pretty much part like it was par with the music
in a way, like like it seems like it's more
I don't want to say uplifting, but just more less depressing.
I guess, like like there's dancing, and there's you got
our main and Or man looking all handsome and suave,
giving a smirk, little smile like a scoundrel. Like there's
just a different vibe that I'm getting from the season
versus season one. But that being said, I don't even
remember season one trailer, so I don't know if that
felt very much.
Speaker 3: Like this or if it was a lot more of
a dour feel.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I it's just definitely a different tone than
I would have been expecting going into the season. I
still am so excited though, for the show, Like I
like and Or season one is just it's so juicy
for me. Yeah, I love that show so much.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I have no wavering on the show.
I think this was just some execs or some market
team trying to make it look like super sexy and
it's like I didn't work here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like for how they they did the trailer
too in a positive way. I feel like it doesn't
feel like a Star Wars like I don't know, it's
it's hard to say, because like it does. It's obviously
Star Wars or Stormtroopers and everything, but it doesn't feel
like other Star Wars traders that I've seen. And and
Or is a type of show that isn't like other
Star Wars shows because it's it's really engaging and like intense,
and it doesn't feel like, I don't know, like a
Saturday Morning cartoon sort of like like and there's not
necessarily wrong something wrong with that, but it's just it's
nice to have a different feel of a show, like
how we Got Skeleton Crew, which feels different from other
Star Wars content, but very much for a specific audience.
I feel like and Or is that, uh and just
a lot more in my type of category of shows
that I really really like, and Star Wars pairing is
perfect and just yeah, everything that they introduced in that
first season, I absolutely love all the shots I saw
in this. Although it is a different tone, I'm still
excited for. I'm still really really looking forward to that
April twenty second, I think is a release datement in
terms of the release window it being in fortune because
I mean, I loved it For the last few shows
that have done it, Spider Man would have been the
most recent one, just because I love the show so much,
so I'm expecting to love the show so much so
to be able to just binge them in that sense.
Sometimes you know, my my, sometimes they get off work
a little bit later, so it's gonna be interesting just
timing those those three hour viewings.
Speaker 1: But midnight reviews, here we go.
Speaker 5: We'll get her done.
Speaker 3: We'll get her done one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, I don't think they'll watch the trailer, right,
don't need to watch it? No yours? Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The music has grown on me after rewatching it again
again again, I'll say it's not the best music for
the trailer. And I was curious that the first trailer
for the trailer for season one of Van Door definitely
a complete different tone, and I think something a little
bit more slow and on beyond would have worked a
little bit more.
Speaker 5: For this trailer.
Speaker 4: But that being said, again, watching it repeatedly, like I
like once, then a couple hours later, watching it again,
then again later on, it's like, okay, yeah, it's kind
of warming up a bit, but it is not perfect.
Speaker 5: The trailer itself, the visuals.
Speaker 4: Oh Man like Rogue one is top three for Star
Wars movies. For me, at Rogue one, Revenge of This
is an empire. It all just it circulates in that
top three list. I just some days I'm feeling this one,
some days I'm feeling that one. And it's just the
fact that we're getting this story now, getting closer and
closer to Rogue one. And there's certain events in here
too that I had no idea about, like the Gorman
the massacre I think it's called Gordon massacre. With this
peaceful protest happens, the Empire just just guns all these
protesters down.
Speaker 5: That's supposed to be in here too.
Speaker 4: A lot other little things, other events that happened as well,
So there's lots of stuff going on that I'm thinking,
holy shit, this is gonna be really cool, and I'm
excited to see how we've developed from that. That first season,
and again I was not expecting Sagerera. Man, they just
bring this fucker back, just.
Speaker 5: Keep holding on them. I mean, I'm I'm kind of
done with it a.
Speaker 4: Movie, so that's gonna be full probably. You know, you
think he's only popping up in live action. No, he's
popping up and animated just as much as he is
in live action. And he did some things in Bad
Batch that really pissed me off, so I'm not a
fan of his character. He made some very evil decisions
and it killed some people off, and so I didn't
like that. And so he's which it fits with his
character absolutely because it's just him being a he's very radical.
So to see what he's up to here, I'm intrigued,
but I'm mostly intrigued to see what my mom was
up to, say, what Luthan's up to the big thing
as well as I can't wait to get back into
the imperial political side of here with director Krenick back
and then Project Stardust, and then especially I'm hoping I
would love it because Ian is he's popping off is
Palpatine and the animated shows still and if we just
get another scene of them holding like a Senate hearing
and he just pops up.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way, Tony Gilroo, He's putting Palpatine in
this Star Wars show.
Speaker 4: And I'm inclined to believe you, but i just want
to be optimistic and hope for it. But I'm not
gonna pizza bet you because in my heart I know
it it's not gonna happen, but in my mind I
just want it to happen, because that'd just be so sick.
I remember in the Bad Batch when he just came
out of nowhere and you weren't expecting it. You get
this quick five minute scene of him talking all politically
and evillly.
Speaker 5: It's like, holy fuck, this is just incredible.
Speaker 4: So if we get that here, a man Mathma is
trying to like plead to the Senate like, oh, Palpatine did.
Speaker 5: This shit and ordered an execution, ordered.
Speaker 4: This execution of this pro peaceful protest, this horrible masker,
and then he just like you, hear the bell ring
and he comes up in his center platform and he
just starts talking, Oh my god, oh sign me up.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're signed up.
Speaker 3: Cerel was in the trailer too, good old Cyril Cyril.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he has that heart on for the.
Speaker 4: I can't three episodes with him eating milk, so I
so they should just remake.
Speaker 5: He became like a commander drug for me.
Speaker 2: I hated that character initially and then he just yeah,
he's a commander now in my no, no.
Speaker 1: No, always a commander.
Speaker 4: But I guess we got K two s O as well,
Hunt popping in as the droid we do cool.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for and