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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection show, where we believe

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we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we

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explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the

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Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you

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share our commitment to making the world a kinder place

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for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power

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of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Welcome to the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 3: I'm really happy to have you here with me. I

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have a really fun show for you today. I have

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Albert Ferraro and he's this zookeeper in Florida, And if

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you've ever wanted to talk to a zookeeper and find

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out what really goes on in zoos, this is our chance.

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So I'm just really happy because there's so many things

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that the animals have taught him and we're going to

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hear some of those fun stories.

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Speaker 2: So welcome Albert. Thank you, b Bete. So what's it

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like to be a zookeeper. It's great, it's very it's

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very interesting, it's very rewarding. It's a lot of long

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days and physical work, but the bonds you make with

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those animals are very very special. That's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just hoping that all zookeepers have these

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kinds of bonds and all the animals and zoos. So

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tell us, you know, maybe a story about a bond

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that you maybe didn't expect it really turned out to

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touch your heart in some way.

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Speaker 2: Oh, a bond that I didn't expect, let's see, and

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maybe you expected them all. I don't no times. So

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when I first when I first got started, this was

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ten plus years ago, I was living in Louisiana and

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I started working for a small z there and I

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was taking care of mostly When I first started, I

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was taking care of large, large hostock. So I had

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a small herd of giraffe, two rhinos, two pygmy hippos,

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and a few a few tortoises in my two a

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few few giant tortoises in my care that lived in

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like a big off exhibit like kind of field. They

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just hung out in. Yeah, I had, I had not.

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I had never worked with large African hostock before. I

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was even shocked that someone gave me a shot at

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those animals. But that was probably one of the more

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rewarding things is that I had never I mean the

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zoo that I grew up at and interned and everything

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when I was in college did not have The largest

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hostock we had, I think was was American bison. So

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when I when someone gave me the keys to the

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castle of like four giraffe and these two rhinos, that

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was just it blew my mind.

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Speaker 3: So I really want to hear about the giraffes. What

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was it like to get to know them? Was it

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easy to get to know them? Did they trust you

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right away?

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Speaker 2: What was that like? So they they take a little

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they take some warming up. They're really their relatively cautious animals,

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and so you have to spend a lot of time

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with them and get them to trust you, and then

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once you do, they'll start to open up a little bit.

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By the time towards the end of my time there,

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I could kind of walk up to it was a big,

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kind of moted set up, so I could like walk

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right out to it and be like face to face

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with them. The younger female we had would kind of

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come up and let me give her a little kiss

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on the nose. Yeah, that was that was pretty neat.

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They were a lot of fun. I really grew grew

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attached to the male rhino that that we had. I

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did not expect to like form a form a bond

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with him, but he was. He was a very very

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smart personal animal. He loved people. He'd follow me around,

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like if I was walking around the yard, like around

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the outside of the yard, he'd perk up and hang out.

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He would love when we had like like a big

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setup in the holding where they could pull their heads

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inside so that way you could like kind of do

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some medical procedures on them and huh could kind of

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stay still in place. And he would love it when

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he put his head through that big gate and I

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would like grab his horn and like play with him. Oh.

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I was almost like give him a big hug. You'd

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get real excited and throw his head up. You're like,

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oh yeah, but that was not Yeah, that was really

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that was really awesome. He was he was really fun.

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I loved him, I really. I worked with the other

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she was really she was really cute. She was real

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really stubborn. She just spent a lot. She she didn't

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want to do anything. Oh I remember there was she

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was relatively new to the zoo. So she she had

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a really big barn and then a really big yard,

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and she would a lot of times like to hang

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out in that. You know, all the doors could be open,

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but she'd just be sitting inside that barn and I

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a big toy to throw around, like a giant mound

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of hay, and like fresh branches to eat, and she'd

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just be sitting on in there. She's like this is

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where I feel like sitting today. And I'm like, oh please,

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no one could see you. I remember it was. It

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was the zoo was big, spring fast. Okay. They were

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kind of like, hey, can you really try to make

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sure that she's like out invisible, because you know, she's like,

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you know, a new animal. We want to make sure,

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you know, it's like four thousand people that I was like,

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oh god, oh. I was like begging with this. I

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was like, please go outside. I was like, come on,

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let's run. Let's you know. I got her to come

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up with some food. I was like playing with her

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in the bar, running back for get her all excited,

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and I would just came running out that like my

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friend of mine saw me. She just saw me running

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around the side of the bar in and out like

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shout it all like playfully. She's like, what were you doing?

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I was like, I was trying to get her to

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go outside. Yeah. She was like, that was the weirdest

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thing I've ever seen. I was like, I she was

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up and running and rompeted play and I thought she

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followed me and go out for the day. Yeah, And

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she finally did. But I was, yeah, well then they

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had their own They have their own opinions, right, they want, Yeah,

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they're gonna do whatever they want. That's neat. So what

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what animal really? Now? In my older age, I I

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could care less if anybody goes outside. People called her

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all of my worst is I don't know wherever she

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wants to be, right? Good? That's good? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so what animals surprised you the most?

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Speaker 2: What animals surprised me the moment? Oh boy, I what

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I worked with with I've worked with with alligators quite

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a bit. Those animals I think surprised me the most.

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I at my previous job, I did a lot of programs,

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So we did educational programs with the venomous reptiles and

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non venomous reptiles. We had two big pythons, a reticulated

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python and a Burmese python, and we had thirteen alligators

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and they lived in a gigantic it's basically like a

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big natural silver spraying exhibit. Mangrove growth everywhere was like

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it was basically like a little section of Florida ecosystem

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fenced in and they put a bunch of alligators in

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there and they they lived really high. Now I've got

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a cat, Okay, but you're a day so at home, right. Yeah.

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City were amazing. We had a big beach in that

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exhibit that we could go out either multiple times a

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day or once a day and do a big training

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demonstration with hybund with with all thirteen of those animals

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all at once. And it was the most amazing thing

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I have ever done in my career to this day. Wow.

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knew about alligators and things going into that, but I

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had no idea how intelligent those animals were. I I

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can learn their individual names, like, oh they did. Each

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of them knew their names. Each of them knew their names.

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They all had individual personnelity. They were their own person

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each of them. They would they would all do certain

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things and uh, anytime anyone was, you know, creeping up

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or trying to do something, you would just call their

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name to go, oh it's pretty Uh. It were brilliant

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creatures we had. We had one that was the size

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of a truck, and he was the gentlest towards people.

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He was towards us. He was gentle and friendly. He

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was in love with the reptile supervisor like that was

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his mom. Like he followed her. He followed her around

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the beach if she wasn't paying enough attention to him,

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if she was training one of the if she was

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training one of the other alligators, one of like his brother,

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his big brothers, he'd start to get jealous and pushypping over,

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pushed them out of the way and be like, that's

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my mom, and that was the funniest thing in the world.

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If I was on the beach, she was real scared

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because I had a big, loud, booming voice and I

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had a microphone. And so he'd get real quiet in

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the water because he because the pick because the guy

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who he didn't see every day was out there shouting.

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smartest animals I've ever seen in my entire life. In

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what way, what what does she do? She picked up

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on the slightest of patterns. So we had, just like

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all the animal all the other animals at the zoo,

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those gators got yearlygue exams, or we did like by yearly,

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so every couple of years they got a full physical.

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you know, even you know, we used a lot of

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training to make it as voluntary as possible, but of

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course it's still did involve an amount of restraining of

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them and things. So they would get a little grumpy

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for a day or two, but then they'd show right

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back up at the beach and the all's forgiven. But

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this one alligator figured out that when one of the

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reptile keepers wore a certain pair of shorts, that was

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exam day. Wow. And I remember this was the funniest thing.

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usual training time was in the afternoon for the program,

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for for for the guests, But so we spent weeks

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doing morning training sessions like we're gonna we're gonna make it,

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because they're they're incredibly intuitive. If we showed up at

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a weird time of day, hmm, it might come over,

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but they'd be really weird about it if the wind

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was blowing too much. Those alligators weren't a weird They're

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very interesting. They're surprisingly sensitive. That's why I like them

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so much, because they were very different than what people

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here in Florida portray them as. They're wonderful creatures. But

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the so we spent weeks and weeks doing this and

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finally the day comes and he's gone on his usual

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gator exam clothes, that the oldest, most beat up shirt

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that he's got, these short, these big, huge rips, and

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the You're like, oh, these are my gator. My gator

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exam day closed, and we know, a ha, it's funny.

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We got out there. She saw him in those clothes

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and just floated way out in the water and just

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watched as all the other gators came up. She just

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said nope. And eventually some of the others came started

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backing off because they figured it out. But we were

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kind of beside ourselves were like, what in the world

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what we did? Everything perfectly, everything's been the same for

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the past three weeks. And then this guy he goes

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the pants. Yeah, two weeks took two weeks again, and

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he had to come out in his full attire as

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if he was giving like a show trumed a pair

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of nice pants, the nice polo shirt destroyed for this exam.

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still mildly suspicious. That was it was incredible. It was

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still resting, not at all. Now she would have no pants.

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She's that same fancy war last week when Scar had

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his his exam, Uh is that wild? It was? Now,

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how do you do an exam of an alligator? Oh,

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it's pretty long. So ours were ours were all we're

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all target trained, so they would we would walk them

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up into walk them all the way of off the

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beach and we would actually like, you've got to kind

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of you know, have a rope on them. Uh, but

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you can train them to walk into that rope, so

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you could walk it and then sync it down and

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then from there you do have to if you if

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you if you've ever seen people at a place like

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you do kind of have to jump onto them. So

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it's a very extensive process. It takes a lot of planning.

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on each end. Uh, And then you can sedate them,

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do their exam, wake them back up, and let them

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go back in the water.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's but when you jump on them, they're

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not sedated though, Right now, how do you how.

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Speaker 2: Do you make sure that you're not lunch? So you

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got your rope and then from there you can kind

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of put a gentle little rope and a pole on

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their jaw and that and that will hold their jaw

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closed because they it's it's difficult, like you can hold

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it like they could bite down hard, but they don't

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open as strong. So you can use a rope to

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hold down. And once they're that's in place, you're going

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from the back and then on top. So that way

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it's still obviously dangerous, but you're not coming from the

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sides where you turn and get.

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Speaker 3: Now, is this a veterinarian that's doing the jumping on

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the back or a zoo person. It's it's it's care staff.

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training to be able to do that, do it properly, efficiently,

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safely right and ensure everyone from every person to the

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alligator stay safe.

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Speaker 2: It's a really cool process. It goes. It's once you've

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well trained to do it and working all in unison.

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get get those procedures done very quickly with minimal stress

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for the gators. We actually when I left there, we

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were start We were doing a lot of work to

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try and get more of those the exam behaviors to

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be voluntary. So we had successfully drawn blood from an

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alligator's tail while he was awake, just through training alone. Yes,

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that was really neat. Uh. We were working on voluntary

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radiographs for them. Several of those gators were already scale trained.

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and walk them onto it, so we didn't have to

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do an exam to get their weight. We just didn't

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do it super often because they didn't fluctuate weight very much.

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they they're they're very healthy. Yeah. They were the kind

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of things that you could teach them. They they were

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they had. It was it was great. It was so

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much fun. They were fun.

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who and by their old yeah, by their yeah behavior

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that great, that's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They all looked different enough. It took time to

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figure it out, but they all looked different. We had

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one that that was mischievous that liked to try and

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steal the food bucket mm hmm, keep up to eat

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no one was watching, uh huh and try to steal

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the big training training food bucket. Yeah. And then one

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time she grabbed it, uh huh and uh we whipped

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around and then we were like ugly and then she

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like shot threw it up in the air like in

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her mouth. It ran it in the water like a dog.

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That it was like a dog sneak it up doing

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something they shouldn't and then SUSI sounded. She grabbed the

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bucket and ran. It was funny and we like three

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days to fish the bucket out of the bay because

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it was so every's gone and at tire ten pounds

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worth of fish chicken. Oh boy, oh boy, it was

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the funniest thing in the world. Well, that's very funny.

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Speaker 3: I love that you were working towards giving them choice

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so that they can choose to do things and reduce

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the fear, reduce the stress, and increase the safety I

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would imagine.

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Speaker 2: So, oh definitely, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, I want I love the story

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about them having, you know, that sense that they have intuition,

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the way that they know things that you could know

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how they know.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to take a short break.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll be right back with Albert Carraro,

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zookeeper from Florida.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk pets on Petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection. And we were.

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Speaker 3: Just talking on the break about a wonderful story of

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you working with a certain relative of the apes of

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Si meng Is called and tell us about your experiments

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when you brought them a little handheld mirror from the

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Dollar store. So I wanted to broad in there, En Richmond,

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So I went to the dollar store just bought a

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bunch of random things, mostly something like perfumes and things

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that I could use for all the animals.

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Speaker 2: But I picked up a small handheld mirror. Mirrors are

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great for a lot of animals, and uh, for certain

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you know, for certain animals, they don't know it it's them,

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it's someone else, so it can that's interesting for them.

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I remember this is a tangent to that story. But uh,

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we had a a ringtail lemur at one facility I

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worked at. UH He lived in a small group of lemurs,

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but whenever we put in put a mirror out for them,

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he would do their full What's what's known to in

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ringtail lemurs is stink fighting, where they use sent glands

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on their wrists to scent their tail and then flick

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it at their at the rival mail to try and

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win the affection of the females. So every time we

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brought a mirror out there, we would call him. We

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would call it Nick's arch rival because he would go

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into that full behavior of fighting the other male even

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though the male was him, which is great for them

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to go through that full courtship process of winning over

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the female even though they already won over his girlfriend

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who lived on the island with them. But it was

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just it was hysterical to watch because we would joke like, oh,

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this guy's got the same moves as I do. But

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so back to the main story. I brought this little

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handheld mirror up to I work with a family group

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of signings. So it was mom, Dad, their older offspring

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who was still living with them, usually in lesser apes

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that they live with their parents until about six years

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old before they go off on their own, and they

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had another baby with them. So they so I hold

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up this little mirror to them, and they're all kind

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of staring at it and like kind of furrowing almost.

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another family group or something. And then they reached out

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touched it, and then they tried I remember watching them,

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they tried to touch the sides of it, as if

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they were trying to touch the other simon shoulders, like,

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and then they realized there were no there was nothing there,

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kind of staring for a minute, and I remember them

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very gently reaching out. Now they have very human like hands.

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their fingers are just a lot longer. They just reach

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out with their hands. They grab the mirror just ever

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so gently and turn it around to see that there's

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nothing on the back. And I was one of the

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most interesting things because they, you know, I watched them

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in real time learn and understand what a mirror was

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and understand what their own reflection was. It was one

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of the cool things. It was like, oh yeah, because

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it's it's a concept.

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Speaker 3: Well on that alone, I's not exactly exactly. Yeah, Like

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we take it for granted that we can look at

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a part of ourself in the mirror and know that

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the rest of us is there, and just to watch

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them kind of come to the whole conclusion of what

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this little oh pieces, that's that's really fun to do.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: I've I've seen spider monkeys who love mirrors just because

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they love looking at themselves, or they're fascinated that they

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can look at themselves, like I'll send there stay. They'll

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just hang from somewhere and stare and like, oh that's great,

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that's great. Hysterical. Yeah. So do you have a favorite

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species in the zoo?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I I fell in love with uh with taper Uh

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taper are amazing. I've worked with four of them now, Actually, no,

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it's what's a taper? Uh? Taper are a there a

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large kind of the best way to describe them is

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an archaic hoofed animal. So they're they're what hoofed animals

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would have looked like millions of years ago. Uh. That

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that may be a little yeah, probably. So they have

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these big like fleshy feet with a big huge like

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you know, fleshy pad, but each toe high bud, each

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toe has a hoof on it. Mm hmm, so there,

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so it's there kind of. They look a lot like

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I tell people they look like the animals in in

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ice age because they're they have that prehensile snout that

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and they can use to reach out and grab things

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or snorkel up for the water. They're really cool animals.

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They're in that odd toad, odd toed ungulate family, so horses, donkeys, zebra, rhino,

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animals like that. But they kind of are in their

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own like little offshoot, like they're mostly related to themselves

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because they're a very they're a very living, fossil type

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type of species. Wow. So there's three in the New

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World here. There's mountain tapers, lowland tapers, and bird's tapers

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all in Central and South America. And then there's the

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big like if you've ever seen the like half black,

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half white, the Malayan tapers, those are the ones you

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usually see when people talk about them. They're really big.

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Those live in Southeast Asia. They are really cool animals.

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I worked with them at my first zoo, a breeding

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pair and one of their offspring, and then when I

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came to where I work now, the female that we

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have was the offspring from that first zoo. The next offspring,

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like right after I left. I remember when I was

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leaving and going to my next zoo, they said, oh,

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we're about to put the tapers together again to breed.

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Well I found out later I said, oh, that was you. Sorry.

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I developed a very close relationship with her, and I've

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come because I was like, I knew your parents and

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your older sister, what are their personalities like kind of

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like what you probably like what a wild horse would

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be like. They can be a little on the flighty side,

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but when they're younger, obviously, but you know, the ones

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that I've worked with have spent their lives around people,

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and so they're very personable. I knew an elderly taper

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who was one of the oldest in North America. She

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was had a very unique personality. She was she was

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she was a kind of kind of like jokingly like

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a grumpy old lady. MW. She likes she she liked people,

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but she didn't like seek out affection from us. If

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we came up, you know, wanted to love her because

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we did love her. She would be like, okay, fine,

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you know for me to eat, though you got any

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jep like apple jeeps for me. But other than that,

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she was like, all right, I leave me alone. I'm

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gonna go I'm gonna go sleep in the in the

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yard with the little cappy bears or so. But uh,

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the I've worked with a female that was hand raised,

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that loves people, that seeks out people, that thought that

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she loves us. And I worked with a male who

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was one of one of the best animals who I

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ever worked with. He was he he was like normally

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parent reared and everything, but he loved people like He

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was one of the best animals to train that I

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ever trained. I trained so many different behaviors with him.

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He could by the time he went to his where

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he lives now. He went to Zoom in Texas. I

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trained him to be able to draw blood voluntarily. He

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took all his vaccinations voluntarily. He would step up onto

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a hoof block for us to either work on his

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hooves or take X rays of his hooves. Even when

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or we could just do it while he was laying down.

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We could work on it was if they needed it.

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He did that. He open his mouth on cues. We

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could look at his teeth. He was great. He was

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he was I loved him. It is right, he was fine.

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We we could with those with those tapers do practically

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a full exam without with them being awake.

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Speaker 3: That's great, that's wonderful. That's wonderful. Well, when you go

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in in the morning, who's the one you most want

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to see?

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Speaker 2: Got taper? Tamper? Okay, morning, good morning?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And do they They respond to your voice, your personality

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or energy. They know they know you from the other

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zoo keepers or whatever. They they definitely have a personal relationship. Well,

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that's wait, everyone's having it having having trouble with with her.

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Speaker 3: They call me, I need hell. She doesn't want to

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do like I'll come, don't correlation. That's sweet, It's very sweet. Well,

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I'm so glad that people like you who love animals

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are are there with them at the zoo and working

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to get them to be able to learn how to

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do these procedures that they have to go through more voluntarily.

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That's that's the right direction. Whenever animal can make their

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own choices, we know that it's a better world for

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them and for us. So thank you for all the

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good work you're doing, and thank you for being a

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guest on our show. That great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for inviting me. Yeah, well we'll be talking

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again soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well, say goodbye everyone for now, and hope to see

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you in the next episode very soon.

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