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Speaker 2: with the show, all right, Big Fort Society. We got
Speaker 2: the privilege again of talking to Dave as an individual
Speaker 2: from southwest Pennsylvania, and we talked to him a few
Speaker 2: episodes ago, so make sure you're familiar with that one
Speaker 2: as well. But due to some things that came up
Speaker 2: on my side, I was like, man, Dave, we got
Speaker 2: to have you back on, and he's gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: and pick things up right where we left it. He's
Speaker 2: got some more things to share and then we'll have
Speaker 2: a little bit of a chat after that.
Speaker 3: Yep, sounds good. Thanks for having me back on.
Speaker 2: Jerreed Monpez, thanks for coming back, Dave.
Speaker 3: Or we finished up on the first episode, I buried
Speaker 3: my dog and we talked about it was my first
Speaker 3: visual encounter I had right after that, and that was
Speaker 3: October twenty I was a bad day. It was my birthday.
Speaker 3: It was October twentieth of this year, twenty four. It
Speaker 3: was my birthday. We just got back from Colorado at
Speaker 3: four o'clock in the morning. My dog wasn't there good.
Speaker 3: She passed away at two in the afternoon, went and
Speaker 3: buried her and had that visual about ten thirty a
Speaker 3: night or so after burying her at the cabin. After that,
Speaker 3: that was on the twentieth of October. It was the
Speaker 3: following Saturday, Friday and Saturday. The following Friday and Saturday
Speaker 3: we went back to where we have most of these encounters,
Speaker 3: and we were hunting, me and my son and so Friday.
Speaker 3: Which was the odd thing about Friday was we actually
Speaker 3: had no encounters, no vocalizations, nothing. It was quiet. The
Speaker 3: woods were quiet. It was the first time I had
Speaker 3: been there in the woods hunting since May, and it
Speaker 3: was Turkey season, the first time really walking around in
Speaker 3: the woods up there since May. And one of the
Speaker 3: places we hunt there was a big X structure back there,
Speaker 3: and I noticed that the X structure was gone and
Speaker 3: it was a big X structure. It was no saplings
Speaker 3: or small trees, it was they were big trees. They
Speaker 3: were probably fourteen i'd say around fourteen sixteen inches in diameter.
Speaker 3: And I have pictures of this I can send you
Speaker 3: too later on, Jeremiah.
Speaker 2: Is this in Forbes in southwest Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's down yeah, down in Forbes State Forest
Speaker 3: and there's like Ohio Powell and different game lands down
Speaker 3: that way that we hunt, thank you, And so I
Speaker 3: noticed the X structure was gone. And then that Friday
Speaker 3: we hunted and we had no vocalizations, no nothing. I
Speaker 3: didn't know if the X structure being gone meant something
Speaker 3: or but it was the first time in a long
Speaker 3: time that I didn't have Absolutely nothing happened up there.
Speaker 3: And so the following day, Saturday, me and my son,
Speaker 3: we hunted, just the two of us in the morning,
Speaker 3: and what do we do? We archery hunted in the morning,
Speaker 3: and then we pheasant hunted in the afternoon, and a
Speaker 3: friend of mine and a friend of his friend and
Speaker 3: my friend came up. And the one friend of mine
Speaker 3: is the guy we bear hunt with. He had already
Speaker 3: gotten a buck, so he wanted to come up in
Speaker 3: its archery season for bear. We were all basically archery
Speaker 3: hunting for bear, and so they came up and we
Speaker 3: headed out and we went to two different spots. My
Speaker 3: son and his friend went to where a lot of
Speaker 3: our encounters happened, and me and my friend were, I
Speaker 3: don't know, a mile and a half down on the
Speaker 3: canyon or drainage. I guess you could call it. And
Speaker 3: we were down there and I started getting dark, and
Speaker 3: my buddy I dropped him off on the way in
Speaker 3: into like little Finger drainage, and I went in further,
Speaker 3: probably I don't know, a quarter mile past them, and
Speaker 3: by dark, I started heading out and I heard the
Speaker 3: fake Isle hoots and it was basically straight across from
Speaker 3: where I dropped my buddy off. And so I'm walking
Speaker 3: out and they, I don't know it hooted maybe a
Speaker 3: dozen times or so. And I got up closer to
Speaker 3: where he was on this gravel road and he was
Speaker 3: coming down out of a tree stand and I called
Speaker 3: him on the rate and asked him if he had
Speaker 3: heard the Isle hoods and he's yeah. I was like,
Speaker 3: those weren't is hoods you get? I mean, you just
Speaker 3: tell the difference, and I knew they were rying. So
Speaker 3: he came out to the road. We were walking back
Speaker 3: to the truck, and so I texted my son, being
Speaker 3: able there something going on, and they were, like I said,
Speaker 3: about a mile and a half up the drainage, and
Speaker 3: he texted me that they were on their way back
Speaker 3: to the truck because his well, one of his buddy
Speaker 3: had to go leave early he had a dinner he
Speaker 3: had to go to for anniversary dinner. And my son
Speaker 3: also texted me that about the half hour before sundown,
Speaker 3: they were getting a lot of oulhoots near them where
Speaker 3: they were, so he left a little early. And like
Speaker 3: I said, me and my buddy were in his truck
Speaker 3: about a mile and a half from where my truck
Speaker 3: was parked, and my son and his buddy had his
Speaker 3: own car, so they came out of the woods and
Speaker 3: his buddy jumped in his car and took off, and
Speaker 3: my son jumped into my truck and was just sitting
Speaker 3: in my truck waiting for us. And at this point
Speaker 3: it's dark, and so we're walking back to my buddy's
Speaker 3: truck and we're just about back and I get a
Speaker 3: message on my forward pass that my battery in my
Speaker 3: truck is extremely low and it's going into power saver mode.
Speaker 3: That's strange, And so he gets to my buddy's truck
Speaker 3: and my son calls me. This is right after I
Speaker 3: get that message, and my son calls me, I know
Speaker 3: he shook up, and he said that he just had
Speaker 3: one a sasquatch run right past like the passenger door
Speaker 3: of the truck and in front of the truck and
Speaker 3: across the road, and it was walking around in the woods.
Speaker 3: He can hear it walking around the woods right outside
Speaker 3: the driver's door, and I knew he was He was
Speaker 3: pretty shook up and on a verge of tears. And
Speaker 3: then he explained to me that once it went, he
Speaker 3: heard the windows were cracked open. So we heard it
Speaker 3: coming through the woods. He heard the footfalls, and he
Speaker 3: heard it approaching the truck, and then he saw it
Speaker 3: go in front of the truck, past the hood, across
Speaker 3: the road, and he can hear it walk around in
Speaker 3: the woods on the other side of it gravel road.
Speaker 3: So he tried to start the truck and put the
Speaker 3: windows up, and the truck wouldn't start. It was clicking
Speaker 3: like a dead battery. So he couldn't put the windows
Speaker 3: up and he couldn't start the truck. And so he
Speaker 3: called me back and told me that the truck won't start,
Speaker 3: the windows won't go up. Here's this thing walking around
Speaker 3: in the woods right next to him. And so we
Speaker 3: got up there as quick as we could, and between
Speaker 3: the time that we got there, another vehicle coming out
Speaker 3: from hunting had gone past. And once that vehicle went past,
Speaker 3: we were maybe I don't know, thirty seconds behind that one.
Speaker 3: And when we got back, he was sitting in the
Speaker 3: truck and he didn't want to come out, but I
Speaker 3: told him, fine, there's three of us here, and he
Speaker 3: got out and we looked around and there was nothing
Speaker 3: else happened. There was no vocalizations, no more walking around,
Speaker 3: And I honestly, I think it was because my other
Speaker 3: friend was there, and I think if it was just
Speaker 3: me and my son some I don't know what would
Speaker 3: have happened. But being my other buddy was there and
Speaker 3: once we arrived there, that was it. And that was
Speaker 3: really including the first episode, and that is pretty much
Speaker 3: Old Man Encounters the Date. And I did forget a
Speaker 3: few things in the first episode when I was given
Speaker 3: my encounters one in Colorado, when I was talking about
Speaker 3: the Colorado experiences I mentioned about before we had the
Speaker 3: night owls and hawlers in the tent and the miller
Speaker 3: of wilderness. While my son and his buddy was waiting
Speaker 3: for me to get back to the truck that night
Speaker 3: before that happened, he heard the Indian drums, and I
Speaker 3: forgot to mention that the following morning I dropped them
Speaker 3: off in the same spot because they had seen elk
Speaker 3: in this dark timber and they were going in the
Speaker 3: same spot. But I went about a mile down a
Speaker 3: road further, and I wanted to get up into this basin,
Speaker 3: so I was at least a mile down the road further.
Speaker 3: This first thing in the morning just cracked and I
Speaker 3: go up along this dark timber and there's like fields
Speaker 3: up broken fields, and I was trying to get out
Speaker 3: to this edge and look over the space, and I
Speaker 3: was I had the I don't know, I was maybe
Speaker 3: two three hundred yards or so. I could see the
Speaker 3: edge or it rolls over into this space, and I
Speaker 3: heard the Indian drum sounds coming from the dark timber
Speaker 3: where they had heard it, and I mean, I never
Speaker 3: heard it before, and they described it to me the
Speaker 3: night before, and that's exactly what it sounded like. It
Speaker 3: just sounded like Indian drums, like if you're watching a
Speaker 3: Cowboys movie or it's just typical Indian drums and their cadence,
Speaker 3: and there was no rhythm to it, and it was
Speaker 3: just like Indian drums. And it went on for I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe a few minutes. And also at the
Speaker 3: same time, down coming from in the basin, there was
Speaker 3: coyotes howling at the same time, So I don't know
Speaker 3: if there was any correlation that or not, but it
Speaker 3: was going It was all both going on at the
Speaker 3: same time. The Indian drums were coming from the dark
Speaker 3: timber right behind me, and the coyote holes were coming
Speaker 3: from down in the basin. But I don't think the
Speaker 3: coyote holes were or anything but coyotes, But the Indian drums,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I don't know the significance
Speaker 3: of that. And all we're on the Colorado subject. I'll
Speaker 3: go back because I didn't really say anything about last
Speaker 3: year when I was in Colorado. My son and I
Speaker 3: were both supposed to go last year archery hunting elk,
Speaker 3: and it was the first time either one of us
Speaker 3: were ever going to go hunting an elk and Colorado,
Speaker 3: and so we had come up with a plan that
Speaker 3: I was gonna hunt bear and he was gonna hunt
Speaker 3: elk archery, and we were going in mid September and
Speaker 3: I think of September fifteenth or so of last year
Speaker 3: twenty three, and so we had everything old planned that
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, like three or four days before we were
Speaker 3: ready to leave. My son got an allergic reaction and
Speaker 3: he had a rash to just travel around is it
Speaker 3: was like I don't know if he got into poison
Speaker 3: oak or poison ivy or what it was, but he
Speaker 3: had allergic reaction. It was like traveling around his body
Speaker 3: and it would just pop up in strange places like
Speaker 3: his arms and his back and his legs, and it
Speaker 3: was just everywhere. And I wasn't going away and we could.
Speaker 3: We took them to five different doctors and got five
Speaker 3: different opinions, and so I just couldn't take them to
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere in Colorado and have something happening
Speaker 3: be three and a half hours away from the hospital.
Speaker 3: Ended up going by myself last year and I spent
Speaker 3: ten days there urchery hunting myself out in the middle
Speaker 3: of nowhere. And so when I went there last year,
Speaker 3: I was I had a bear tag fro hunting, and
Speaker 3: my son had the elk tag, and naturally I was
Speaker 3: there the first morning and I saw a bull, elk
Speaker 3: and a kyle. So I go to town and the same
Speaker 3: morning and get a elk tag so I can hunt
Speaker 3: elk also and bear, and so I hunted for I
Speaker 3: think it was like three days, and I had no
Speaker 3: experiences until and I kept bumping elk. I kept it
Speaker 3: was I kept I had elk almost every single day,
Speaker 3: and they were close to my base camp where I
Speaker 3: was set up, and it seemed like they would hop
Speaker 3: over a ridge every other day and I just keep bumping.
Speaker 3: Whether I was bumping them or that was their normal progression,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it seemed like I'd bump over
Speaker 3: a ridge every couple of days. And so I ended
Speaker 3: up on the third day a couple of ridges over
Speaker 3: from where my camp was. And this was my first
Speaker 3: experience there last year. And so I was hunting in
Speaker 3: the evening and there was a drainage and it was
Speaker 3: I don't know if there was a gas line there.
Speaker 3: It was like cleared out and there was like a
Speaker 3: right away going down over the hill into the drainage,
Speaker 3: and so I was hunting that and I was over
Speaker 3: the edge a little bit and it was getting dark
Speaker 3: and I just started walking back out. It was just
Speaker 3: past shooting light, and I got to the top of
Speaker 3: the ridge and I never heard a loop before. And
Speaker 3: from way down it's not like a half mile away,
Speaker 3: it was faint and it was far away and I
Speaker 3: heard a whoop and I never heard one before, and
Speaker 3: I was like, did I hear what I just thought
Speaker 3: I heard? And I sat there for a few minutes
Speaker 3: and then I did it again. But it was only
Speaker 3: maybe a couple hundred yards away at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the drainage from where I was standing. So that kind
Speaker 3: of freaked me out.
Speaker 2: Big for society, who would be right back After these messages, And.
Speaker 3: The following morning, I go in to the same area,
Speaker 3: not the exact same spot, but the same area as
Speaker 3: more up on top of a ridge, and I got
Speaker 3: there right at the crack of dawn, and I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there and I wasn't there a half hour, and I'm
Speaker 3: looking down over this bench and then it like rolls
Speaker 3: into this draw and I'm sitting there and this crow
Speaker 3: comes flying up the draw turns and comes right towards me,
Speaker 3: and it flew up the draw, got right over my head,
Speaker 3: did a three sixty over my head, flew off. And
Speaker 3: then within a few minutes after that, a big tree
Speaker 3: either fell or was pushed over, probably about eighty yards
Speaker 3: from me. And it was a big tree, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't I was hunting in a burn area, but there
Speaker 3: was zero wind. There was nothing. There wasn't a breath
Speaker 3: of wind. It was clear cool. I think it was
Speaker 3: a frosty morning. And obviously I was in a burn area,
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of dead trees. But I just
Speaker 3: thought I just didn't get the feeling that it was
Speaker 3: a coincidence. And after the tree got pushed over, I
Speaker 3: can hear not necessarily footsteps, but I can hear boulders
Speaker 3: like shifting, like something was walking around down in there
Speaker 3: right where I heard the tree get pushed over. And
Speaker 3: that went on for I don't know, maybe forty five
Speaker 3: minutes or so, and then that was it, and there
Speaker 3: was a couple so after that. Then I think a
Speaker 3: few days later back at camp, I had had some
Speaker 3: moops and haulers and owls fake owlho's back behind camp
Speaker 3: a couple of times, but they were just vocalizations down
Speaker 3: in the canyon. And that was it for last year.
Speaker 3: And the only other thing. There's one important thing I
Speaker 3: left out from the last episode too, so I mentioned
Speaker 3: I had them encounters in the eighties. I believe it
Speaker 3: was eighty seven. I had just three things happening in
Speaker 3: eighty seven. Then there was a thirty three year gap
Speaker 3: until Halloween night when my son and I had the
Speaker 3: Halloween Knight encounter was the throwing rocks into the creek
Speaker 3: court of Beaver was had backed up, and the bloody
Speaker 3: murder screams and all that. And so two weeks prior
Speaker 3: to that, I think we had our first encounter but
Speaker 3: didn't know it. And that so it had been two
Speaker 3: weeks before the Halloween twenty twenty thing happened to us,
Speaker 3: and we were not in the same area. And I'll
Speaker 3: just say this right up front that I've I've hunted
Speaker 3: for forty years and I've heard owls for forty years,
Speaker 3: and like I hunt the suburbs over here, I was
Speaker 3: hunting this evening and there's owls that you know, they
Speaker 3: start hooting it, you know, just before dark or just
Speaker 3: after dark, and their OUs and you can tell the
Speaker 3: difference between the fake isle hoots and the real ales,
Speaker 3: you just can and the ones at home, like near
Speaker 3: the suburbs there where I hunt their ows. And I've
Speaker 3: been listening to the same ones that swart of God
Speaker 3: for fifteen years and this one, this one valley that
Speaker 3: we hunt, and I heard them night. I hear them
Speaker 3: every single night that it's a nice weather nice clear sunset,
Speaker 3: and they always sound off, but their owls, and they
Speaker 3: stay in one spot. They don't fly all over the
Speaker 3: woods and hoot all over the place and do haulers.
Speaker 3: They stay in one spot. They start sounding off, and
Speaker 3: a lot of times there's another one, whether it's made
Speaker 3: or whatever. And one will sound off to the left
Speaker 3: in the valley, and now they're will sound off to
Speaker 3: the right. It'll get dark, and they'd never move. They
Speaker 3: stay in their trees and they do what they're doing.
Speaker 3: And the things that happen up the mountains with the
Speaker 3: fake isle hoots and the hallowers, these things, they're not
Speaker 3: standing still. They move around all over the place. And
Speaker 3: the other thing I'll say is throughout the forty years
Speaker 3: of me hunting, twice I've been buzzed by ales while
Speaker 3: up in a tree stand where and both times, and
Speaker 3: this happens pretty often whenever. If I'm in a tree
Speaker 3: stand and I have deer right under me or real
Speaker 3: close to me, I'll stay there until they leave. So
Speaker 3: I might stay there whatever an hour and a half
Speaker 3: after dark so it's pitch black, and wait for them
Speaker 3: to move on. But SI don't spook them and give
Speaker 3: up my position and they learn where I'm at. And
Speaker 3: so twice I've had while staying in a tree late
Speaker 3: after dark like that, I've been buzzed by aisles where
Speaker 3: they were, and I think that they probably thought I
Speaker 3: was a squirrel or something. And then they come in
Speaker 3: from behind you and they're totally silent. There was absolutely
Speaker 3: no noise whatsoever. So they glide in and you only
Speaker 3: know they're on you until they're on you, and they
Speaker 3: year off the last second where they saw my sleep,
Speaker 3: my arm move or something. They thought I was some
Speaker 3: kind of a squirrel or something in a tree. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I've been buzzed by ales twice and
Speaker 3: those riles. And so this other encounter that I'm talking about,
Speaker 3: it was two weeks before the Halloween go in and
Speaker 3: it's about a mile everywhere we go. It seems like
Speaker 3: it's a mile walk in, but it's about a mile
Speaker 3: walk in and take his grassy path, and my son
Speaker 3: had his tree stand with them, and it was only
Speaker 3: at the time, I guess he was probably thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 3: He's eighteen now, so he's probably fourteen, and I think
Speaker 3: it was only his third time going up in a
Speaker 3: climber tree stamp. We get up in there. We're on
Speaker 3: a soak ridge and I'm helping him. I want to
Speaker 3: make sure he's tied off good safety and got a
Speaker 3: safety harness on and put the tree stand together right
Speaker 3: and everything. So I'm helping him put everything together. And
Speaker 3: we're putting a tree stand together, and I see out
Speaker 3: of corner of my eye there's a guy, a hunter,
Speaker 3: all on camo and got a tree stand on his back,
Speaker 3: and he's walking straight towards us, and he's coming right
Speaker 3: towards us. I figured when he got to us would
Speaker 3: say hi and how you going? And he was hitting
Speaker 3: in the direction I was going to go. There's a
Speaker 3: bench down over this office ridge, and the way the
Speaker 3: trajector he was taking, he was going exactly where I
Speaker 3: was going to go. So I wanted to just talk
Speaker 3: to him and say, hey, where are you going so
Speaker 3: I don't bump into you once I leave my son
Speaker 3: here and Theeremiah. He came straight towards us, and he
Speaker 3: was within ten fifteen yards of us, and I kept
Speaker 3: looking at him to make eye contact, to say hi
Speaker 3: and talk to him, and he never looked at us.
Speaker 3: He just the first time in my life I was
Speaker 3: anywhere near that close to somebody in the woods, and
Speaker 3: it was like like he almost like he was a mannequin.
Speaker 3: He walked past us and didn't acknowledge us, didn't look
Speaker 3: at us, just right past, and that was really strange.
Speaker 3: Who knows everybody's different. Maybe it's you know, like talking
Speaker 3: to people in the woods. So he went past us
Speaker 3: and then he went down over the hill exactly where
Speaker 3: I was going to go after I left my son
Speaker 3: once I got him up in the tree, and so
Speaker 3: we get we get marked up in the tree, get
Speaker 3: him all tied off and everything. I wasn't sure where
Speaker 3: that guy went, so I and plus I didn't want
Speaker 3: to go too far with my son image and like
Speaker 3: I said, it's only third or fourth time, maybe up
Speaker 3: on a climber tree stand and I just rolled down
Speaker 3: over the hill a little bit. I was only maybe
Speaker 3: two hundred yards from mark, and I ain't want to
Speaker 3: go mess this guy up works. I figured he's down
Speaker 3: on that oak bench down there, and I didn't know where,
Speaker 3: So I just went between my son in that lower
Speaker 3: bench and until that it got dark, and I came
Speaker 3: back up to help my son down out of a tree,
Speaker 3: and he lowered his bow dying. We got to and
Speaker 3: he's being careful, so it was pretty dark. When we're
Speaker 3: getting the tree stand down, he comes down out of
Speaker 3: a tree. We start taking the tree stand apart and
Speaker 3: putting it together, and we get it all together and
Speaker 3: we're just about ready to throw the tree stand on
Speaker 3: his back and start hiking out, and we got that
Speaker 3: bloody murder screen. But it was right in front of us,
Speaker 3: and I'm talking maybe thirty yards and it was elevated.
Speaker 3: It wasn't on the forest floor. It was elevated, and
Speaker 3: it was like if a t rex just bent over
Speaker 3: and screamed in your face. It was paralyzing. And like
Speaker 3: I said, this is before the Halloween stuff is this
Speaker 3: is what I believe was our first and Connor and
Speaker 3: we just didn't know it. And this thing screened and
Speaker 3: Mark said is that. I was like, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: And it did it four times, and all four times
Speaker 3: it was along drawn out, like a bloody murder scream.
Speaker 3: And so obviously you go and you go and do
Speaker 3: adrenaline rush. You get your goosebum hair standing on end,
Speaker 3: and we're just standing there. I ain't know if something
Speaker 3: was going to come at us or what And I
Speaker 3: didn't want to run. You don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: So we just held our ground and stood there, and
Speaker 3: this thing screams four times. Then it stopped and there
Speaker 3: was a little pause a couple of minutes or so,
Speaker 3: and then this owl had no reason to do this.
Speaker 3: It's owl from It came from a direction where the
Speaker 3: screams came from, and it came down and it flew
Speaker 3: about two foot over our heads. It just went right
Speaker 3: over our heads and it flew off. And then I
Speaker 3: knew that owl did not have the lung capacity, not
Speaker 3: even close do what it did, and so that kind
Speaker 3: of freaked me out, but seeing the isle kind of
Speaker 3: maybe maybe. So we hike out of the woods and
Speaker 3: didn't have anything happened the rest of the way out
Speaker 3: of the woods. We get down to the truck and
Speaker 3: we're talking about what had just happened, and then my
Speaker 3: son brought up the hunter with the tree stand. We
Speaker 3: were getting him set up, and he says that guy
Speaker 3: was strange, and I was like, yeah, he's rubbed me
Speaker 3: the wrong way. He didn't say I didn't look at us.
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, he says, didn't you notice something about him?
Speaker 3: I was like, what And he says he didn't make
Speaker 3: no noise. I was like, what do you mean? He says,
Speaker 3: was a little october les are coming down. It was dry,
Speaker 3: lees are crunchy sticks. He says, he didn't make any noises,
Speaker 3: He didn't make no noise walking through the leaves. I
Speaker 3: was like, I honestly did not even notice that he did,
Speaker 3: but I didn't. But he did look strange, Like I said,
Speaker 3: how you can walk within ten fifteen yards of somebody
Speaker 3: in the woods and not say high or acknowledge them
Speaker 3: and make eye contact is beyond me. He said, Oh,
Speaker 3: that whole guy was strange. I'm not I don't know
Speaker 3: what it was. I don't know it's It was strange,
Speaker 3: is all I could tell you. And I think that
Speaker 3: was our I believe that was our first encounter as
Speaker 3: far as with these beings, and I just didn't know
Speaker 3: it because that whole thing, that whole encounter there was strange.
Speaker 3: And that was two weeks prior to the Halloween thing.
Speaker 3: And that pretty much. That pretty much covers just about everything,
Speaker 3: and there's other stuff. It's a lot, like I said,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of you can't get into everything, but
Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's a wood KNOCKX and the
Speaker 3: isle hoots in the just vocalizations. There's just that it's
Speaker 3: like almost every time I'm up there, and it's and
Speaker 3: like I said, I've been hunting for forty years, and
Speaker 3: they're not asles Ailes do not fly all around the woods.
Speaker 3: They'll follow you out of the woods. So they just
Speaker 3: and it's like it's almost at this point, it's almost
Speaker 3: it's like second nature. It still freaks out a little bit,
Speaker 3: but I think it's more of it's almost like a change.
Speaker 3: It almost seems like it's a changing of the guard.
Speaker 3: Like we hunt during the day and then right of
Speaker 3: dusk or dark they come out and we're heading out,
Speaker 3: and they almost they just whatever most of the time,
Speaker 3: just give you a few vocalizations and let you know
Speaker 3: they're there, and then we leave. And like I said,
Speaker 3: sometimes I just recently I started stopping by from in
Speaker 3: the area and just hanging out and see if something happens.
Speaker 3: This isn't even I'm not going in the woods. I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm sitting in my truck. I'm just sitting I'm
Speaker 3: back in the woods. I'm I'm not on a paved
Speaker 3: highway or nothing like I'm back in the woods pretty good.
Speaker 3: But I don't get out walking around the woods or
Speaker 3: beating on trees or nothing like that. I just sit
Speaker 3: in my truck and they come to me, and they
Speaker 3: they I don't seek them out other than sitting in
Speaker 3: my truck and they come to me, and it's it's
Speaker 3: and these guys, these researchers and these guys that run
Speaker 3: around the woods with thermal and recordings and all that.
Speaker 3: I know you want evidence, but if you really want
Speaker 3: an experience going there with nothing and they control everything,
Speaker 3: it's up to them. It's not up to you. You're
Speaker 3: not gonna and if you have bad intentions, you aren't
Speaker 3: going to see or hear anything at all. I believe
Speaker 3: they know your heart, they know who you are, they
Speaker 3: know your soul, and honest to God, I think that
Speaker 3: maybe my experiences. Honest to God, I think here's my
Speaker 3: feeling on it. That that Halloween knight, that we had
Speaker 3: that stuff going for about an hour and a half
Speaker 3: or so, and when when you first slammed that boulder
Speaker 3: into the beaver pond into the creek. Uh, and I
Speaker 3: we want to take off? And I asked my son,
Speaker 3: I says, do you want to you want to go
Speaker 3: home or you want to stay and see what I happens.
Speaker 3: And we stayed, and I don't know, maybe that was
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what opened the door because we didn't run.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, maybe that has something to do
Speaker 3: with it. Most people do run, and most people, I
Speaker 3: mean before up into the Halloween stuff, I was still
Speaker 3: of the it's a probably an ape or missing link
Speaker 3: or something that effect. But over the past couple of years,
Speaker 3: three years, I know that it's not that, and they
Speaker 3: have their I don't know what they are, but they
Speaker 3: have powers we don't understand. And whether it be spiritual
Speaker 3: or interdimensional or the orbs or I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know what they are, but there I believe, honestly
Speaker 3: in my heart, there's some kind of spiritual They have
Speaker 3: some kind of spiritual nature tone.
Speaker 2: Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages,
Speaker 2: even if you just.
Speaker 3: Go back hundreds or even thousands of years with Indians
Speaker 3: and their experiences and their encounters with them, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just I think there's a spiritual entity to them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that's pretty much all my experiences.
Speaker 2: This incredible stuff. I agree with you there's definitely a
Speaker 2: large aspect of them that we just do not understand.
Speaker 2: With our current view of science and just our current
Speaker 2: viewpoint of the world, we just we just cannot understand them.
Speaker 2: But listening to you talk about the owls, the fake owls,
Speaker 2: that reminded me of something I actually I went for
Speaker 2: a few days hiking or a few day camping trip
Speaker 2: in Iowa in September by myself. One of the nights
Speaker 2: I was out there, there were owls, but then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, and I don't know why I forgot this,
Speaker 2: but it was the weirdest thing. It was like you
Speaker 2: could hear the owls, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there was an owl that was massive and it was
Speaker 2: just like it was. It was horrifying, and that it
Speaker 2: wasn't around for But when you heard these fake owls,
Speaker 2: were they also? Were they much bigger than the normal owl?
Speaker 2: Did you ever experience that at all?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mean the vocalizations, you mean the sounds.
Speaker 2: It just it sounded like it was coming from something
Speaker 2: much bigger, like something bigger than the normal sized owl.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes. And then like I said, most of
Speaker 3: the time, you'll there'll be one it's almost there's always
Speaker 3: one that will be hooting. You could tell us a voice,
Speaker 3: but then there's another one. It's almost comical because you
Speaker 3: can really tell it's a voice. It's like a bad impersonation.
Speaker 3: And a lot of times it's not even a hoot.
Speaker 3: A lot of them will run around and go they
Speaker 3: got and other ones will go who It'll just it'll
Speaker 3: be along, drawn out like a not a howl. But
Speaker 3: it's I just sum up on some of them all
Speaker 3: up as hollowers. But there's and then there's different cadences,
Speaker 3: so I think just and they're always in family groups.
Speaker 3: You're not going to just run into one. So if
Speaker 3: you're the first one, there's probably two, three, four five
Speaker 3: other ones around them. And and that's another thing with me,
Speaker 3: my ole hoots and the and the encounters I have,
Speaker 3: there's never I'm not just talking about one out hoot.
Speaker 3: I'm and like I mentioned in the previous episode that
Speaker 3: a couple of times that I made myself available and
Speaker 3: they'll be in totally different directions. There'll be one and
Speaker 3: they almost surround you, which is intimidating because they do
Speaker 3: surround you, but it seems like they always leave you
Speaker 3: an avenue out and they're not that clear. There may
Speaker 3: be they always seem to be just inside the woods line,
Speaker 3: depending on how the topography is. I may forty to
Speaker 3: fifty six the yards aways like where they get hung
Speaker 3: up at and you just out of sight. But there's
Speaker 3: never just one. When I say there's alehoots, I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about one isle, I'm talking about four or five.
Speaker 3: And they move with unbelievable speed through the woods. So
Speaker 3: they might they might be hooting three hundred yards up
Speaker 3: to the right and then within ten seconds they're fifty
Speaker 3: yards in front of you. It's and they move around.
Speaker 3: Another thing is the tone, like the pitch I would say,
Speaker 3: there's obviously I guess like a bigger human has a
Speaker 3: deeper voice than a young child or a kid or
Speaker 3: a teenager. And you can put that up in their
Speaker 3: vocalizations too, where there's different tones to their voice, where
Speaker 3: some will have deeper pitches or tones and other ones
Speaker 3: will have a higher pitch, like I assume they would
Speaker 3: be like younger ones. And when I talked about it
Speaker 3: like in the I'll just throw this in there too,
Speaker 3: because in the first episode we talked about how the
Speaker 3: one how I made myself available, and they were coming
Speaker 3: in close right before I went to Colorado, and they
Speaker 3: were hooting all around me. They were inclosed, and I
Speaker 3: really made up my mind that I wanted to see
Speaker 3: one in the flesh and blood, face to face. And
Speaker 3: then that one screamed. The one screamed down to the
Speaker 3: left of me, and then it was about one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty yards away or so, and then it screamed again.
Speaker 3: Ten seconds later, it was like fifty yards from me,
Speaker 3: and that freaked me out. And then it got dead quiet.
Speaker 3: There was no more hooting that one scream and then
Speaker 3: when it screamed, it was like a really hot, pitched,
Speaker 3: almost like a child's voice scream, and so that freaked
Speaker 3: me out, and then all the hooting stopped, like everything stopped,
Speaker 3: and I almost got the feeling. People talk about mind speak,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I get it or if I don't. I actually
Speaker 3: I called and I talked to Chuck from Arizona about this,
Speaker 3: and he said that I probably am getting it, but
Speaker 3: just don't realize and don't know what it is. But
Speaker 3: like when that little one screamed that night, and everything
Speaker 3: got quiet after that, and all the vocalizations were done,
Speaker 3: I got the feeling like it was a really young
Speaker 3: one and all its siblings were around me and they
Speaker 3: were doing the hooting, and the little one screamed purposely
Speaker 3: to scare me, just that it maybe show his siblings
Speaker 3: look what I can do. I can scare them, and
Speaker 3: and that's I don't know, it was a mind speaker.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's the feeling I got. And then
Speaker 3: it got quiet after that. And then so the visual
Speaker 3: I had after burying my dog at the cabin, and
Speaker 3: mind you, when I had I heard the mumbling a
Speaker 3: few weeks before that when I dug the hole, and
Speaker 3: the visual I had when I stuff from the tarp
Speaker 3: underneath the cabin and I turned around looked, and like
Speaker 3: I said, it wasn't very big. It was a juvenile,
Speaker 3: I would say, And it didn't look much bigger than me.
Speaker 3: It maybe he was six foot tall. And the filling
Speaker 3: I got out of that was that maybe it was
Speaker 3: that young one that screened at me a few weeks prior,
Speaker 3: and maybe that was who knows, that's the feeling I got.
Speaker 3: That's why I saw that one. Maybe the family group
Speaker 3: or the parents made him come in and I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe almost apologetic or something. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: that's the feeling I got. But whether that's mine speak,
Speaker 3: whether that's just my own brain, my own you know,
Speaker 3: my own thoughts in my head, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I know to mine speaks things real
Speaker 3: and my son seems to be getting some of that too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that so before we
Speaker 3: got to I'll just hate to jump around like this,
Speaker 3: but whenever my son had the visual just last week
Speaker 3: or so or last encounter, one of the Sasquatch, hear
Speaker 3: the foot steps footfalls coming and ran in front of
Speaker 3: the truck before we got there, and the truck wouldn't start.
Speaker 3: So we had talked to Chuck the previous night, Friday,
Speaker 3: and my son's disencounter was on Saturday the next day,
Speaker 3: and the truck was talking about the mine speak and
Speaker 3: trying to explain it to us, and so my son,
Speaker 3: when the truck wouldn't start, he said to himself, what's
Speaker 3: wrong with this sing? I want to start? And he
Speaker 3: said he got a message in his head that we
Speaker 3: did that, meaning it was them that was appter truckt
Speaker 3: or disabled the truck or whatever. And so when he
Speaker 3: got that message in his head, he asked, he said,
Speaker 3: how many of you are here? And he got the
Speaker 3: number four, so and then we showed up right after that. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know that that's what he told me.
Speaker 3: I never got nothing quite that clear, I don't think.
Speaker 3: But then I've had dreams, and I don't know if
Speaker 3: their dreams mine speaking, I don't know, but I know, God,
Speaker 3: I know that this all this stuff sounds crazy. And
Speaker 3: four years ago I was with you. I think everybody
Speaker 3: has their own path, and I'm a I have to
Speaker 3: see it to believe it and experience it to believe
Speaker 3: it kind of guy. And four or five years ago
Speaker 3: I knew of bigfoot, and I had my experiences in
Speaker 3: the eighties, but all this stuff I'm talking about now,
Speaker 3: I would have said, you're a fruitcake. But uh, but
Speaker 3: I have experienced all these things firsthand. And I know
Speaker 3: for a fact the foot, the whole thing, that you
Speaker 3: can't have footprints just appear and disappear, and have sounds
Speaker 3: made and then not made, and things turn and disappear,
Speaker 3: and it's just there's just everybody has their own path,
Speaker 3: their own level of experiences and if you just have
Speaker 3: a one off road crossing, you know, that's where I
Speaker 3: was for the longest time. Bay there, I saw one.
Speaker 3: They're real there. They got to be a missing link
Speaker 3: or gigantipithecus or some kind of physical creature, elusive creature
Speaker 3: that you know eludes everybody in the woods. But then
Speaker 3: once you go through what I went through the last
Speaker 3: three years, you know that they're not just a physic
Speaker 3: they are. They're here, but they can change, they cloak.
Speaker 3: They I really do believe that somehow or another they
Speaker 3: shape shift or I don't know, do they take over
Speaker 3: the body of the owl or the crow or whatever,
Speaker 3: or do they shape shift into that. I lean towards
Speaker 3: the shape shifting because I don't know, because it just
Speaker 3: seems just some of the strange things that's happened that
Speaker 3: an isle or whatnot just can't do it even if
Speaker 3: it wasn't now. But yeah, so that's that's where I'm
Speaker 3: at with that. But I don't know how you feel,
Speaker 3: like what you feel they are? What you know, if
Speaker 3: you feel there spiritual or.
Speaker 2: Well like alien or what so, personally, I think it
Speaker 2: is some kind of physical creature that can do a
Speaker 2: lot of weird stuff and has a lot of weird
Speaker 2: connect actions to things in the world that we cannot
Speaker 2: see and my I really don't know. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2: The more that I get out there in the field
Speaker 2: and then I come back, my view of things is
Speaker 2: starting to change a little bit. And it has to
Speaker 2: do with a question I was going to ask you
Speaker 2: that you've already answered yourself. But when you have your
Speaker 2: experiences out in the woods, are you leaving them out there?
Speaker 2: Or do things follow you home at times?
Speaker 3: As far as like spirits, like I said, like this
Speaker 3: all started where we hunt. Now they haven't followed me
Speaker 3: to my home when you're in Pittsburgh, they've but they did.
Speaker 3: Now they're around the cabin. They're not just where we hunt.
Speaker 3: So now they're around the cabin. And then there's those
Speaker 3: I mentioned in the first episode. There's a spot we
Speaker 3: hunting and after Christmas and Flintlock season, we're the deer
Speaker 3: all Yard up and that's where we had that encounter
Speaker 3: in January, and so they'd been there, and then obviously
Speaker 3: Colorado and then oh I didn't even get into the Vermont.
Speaker 3: I tell you about the Vermont real quick. So I
Speaker 3: travel around and deliver motorsports around the country, and I
Speaker 3: had two things in Vermont two years ago. I think
Speaker 3: it might have been the first time I was going
Speaker 3: through there. And I was cutting through the middle of
Speaker 3: Vermont through the Green Mountains, and I was working my
Speaker 3: way to New Hampshire to pick up something in an auction.
Speaker 3: So I was on a two lane road going through
Speaker 3: the mountains up near the ski resorts and come down
Speaker 3: the other side through the Green Mountains, and I was
Speaker 3: looking for a place to pull over because it was
Speaker 3: in I don't know if it was the end of
Speaker 3: March beginning of April, but there was a lot of
Speaker 3: snow that year in the Northeast and there was still
Speaker 3: It was a warm day, it was like sixty degrees,
Speaker 3: but there was still like on the north facing slopes
Speaker 3: and in the valleys, there was still a couple of
Speaker 3: feet of snow on the ground. And so I'm on
Speaker 3: this two lane road and I just wanted to I
Speaker 3: wanted to pull over at a pool off somewhere and
Speaker 3: I take a picture, and it happened to be I
Speaker 3: was there was this beautiful all the snow run off
Speaker 3: and there was this blue, green water running down the
Speaker 3: side of the road for the most part, and there
Speaker 3: was snow there, so there was a pull off. So
Speaker 3: I pulled off, and I was going to go down
Speaker 3: by the creek and take some pictures of the green
Speaker 3: water coming down through the snow in the valley. And
Speaker 3: I go over the hill and I go down and
Speaker 3: into the creek, and it was melted up on top
Speaker 3: near where I pulled over, and the whole side when
Speaker 3: I went down over, but down by the creek there
Speaker 3: was these they were melted out, and they were obviously
Speaker 3: a lot more bigger than what they were when they
Speaker 3: were made. And the powder or the snow, but there
Speaker 3: was these giant footprints going into the creek. And they
Speaker 3: didn't cross the creek. They went into the creek and
Speaker 3: then that was it. They didn't come back out of
Speaker 3: the creek. They went into the creek and then they disappeared.
Speaker 3: That it wasn't like somebody walked across the creek. I
Speaker 3: took the pictures of it, and then so there's good.
Speaker 3: There was three good footprints left in the snow, and
Speaker 3: then the first one on the left. And these prints
Speaker 3: were made probably when there was three foot or two
Speaker 3: foot of powder, I would guess, and so the left
Speaker 3: foot it landed on a good sized log and it
Speaker 3: just it destroyed the log. It just it broke it
Speaker 3: splintered it and broke it in two. And you could see.
Speaker 3: I can send you pictures of this. And there's where
Speaker 3: the footprint come down and broke the log and almost
Speaker 3: went through the log, and then it stepped over the log.
Speaker 3: And there's three good footprints there. And I even put
Speaker 3: footprint next to the prince just to show the size difference.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I know they're melted out. I
Speaker 3: know they're bigger than what they were, but they were
Speaker 3: big footprints to begin with, believe me. And so that
Speaker 3: was the first encounter. And then I think it was
Speaker 3: it might have been spring of this year. I think
Speaker 3: it was in like it might have been in March
Speaker 3: of this year. I was in Lower Vermont, so it
Speaker 3: was the bottom end of the Green Mountains and I
Speaker 3: was on the New York border. I pulled over. It
Speaker 3: was late at night, it was about one o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning, and I was starting to get tired. So
Speaker 3: there was a little turnoff. I was on two lane road,
Speaker 3: I think it was Highway seven, and I pulled off
Speaker 3: on a turnoff right before I crossed into New York,
Speaker 3: and I could see the sign Welcome to New York
Speaker 3: in front of me. So I pulled off air and
Speaker 3: I was gonna sleep there for the night on the
Speaker 3: side of the road.
Speaker 2: Big for society, who would be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And so, like I said, about one o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: and I jumped on the back of the truck and
Speaker 3: went to sleep. And I got up at three thirty
Speaker 3: in the morning and I had to take a leak.
Speaker 3: I get out of truck and I walked the other
Speaker 3: side of the truck and from down in the valley,
Speaker 3: I hear people talk about the air raid siren howls sounds.
Speaker 3: And I'm standing there at three thirty in the morning
Speaker 3: and down in the valley it was almost like a
Speaker 3: mournful how And it was four long, a long, drawn
Speaker 3: out just like I said, just like an air raid sirens.
Speaker 3: It started out at a higher pitch and got into
Speaker 3: a deeper pitch and just sounded just like an raid sign.
Speaker 3: And it did that four times, and that kind of
Speaker 3: freaked me out. But yeah, and that's what happened to
Speaker 3: me in in Vermont also. But I can Like I said,
Speaker 3: I could send you pictures of this stuff, and I
Speaker 3: can send you some. I have the vocalizations from Colorado
Speaker 3: from this year that actually took and we have one
Speaker 3: a recording, and if you're able to play that would
Speaker 3: be that would be awesome because it turned out you
Speaker 3: could definitely hear the fake isle hoots and then whoops
Speaker 3: and a couple hollers and those recordings.
Speaker 2: The audio that you'll hear next has been provided by
Speaker 2: David's from a recent trip of his out to Colorado.
Speaker 2: There are two different clips that you'll hear.
Speaker 1: That's the story of it.
Speaker 3: There's one way out there, there's these two one.
Speaker 1: One hoop and there's one way out there.
Speaker 3: They're getting closer.
Speaker 2: And they played it like he'll hoot at the other
Speaker 2: one comes in close.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, turnphones only go away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be fantastic because we were talking about
Speaker 2: that before we started recording. Is that you actually got
Speaker 2: those recorded, which is awesome. So I would love to
Speaker 2: hear that for sure and put them in the episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then we talked about this before we too.
Speaker 3: Was it was the time before the little one screamed
Speaker 3: at me, you know, when I was sitting up there
Speaker 3: and they were coming in close, and I stopped. The
Speaker 3: time before that, it was maybe two weeks prior to that,
Speaker 3: and I had the vocalizations and stuff going on, and
Speaker 3: it was going on for about an hour or so,
Speaker 3: and they were coming in and leaving, coming in and leaving,
Speaker 3: and so they came in pretty close, and I tried
Speaker 3: to take a recording of them with my phone, and
Speaker 3: so they were in pretty close. I was on one
Speaker 3: side of my truck. I was walking around the other
Speaker 3: side truck. So I started recording, and I did this
Speaker 3: on a voice recording, and you can hear me walking
Speaker 3: into gravel and then I stopped, and I actually recorded
Speaker 3: about maybe forty five seconds of them the fake isl
Speaker 3: hoots and a couple hollers, and then it got quiet
Speaker 3: for a minute, and then I did my whoo and
Speaker 3: they didn't really respond, and then that was it. And
Speaker 3: so I listened to it when I because I don't
Speaker 3: know how it happens, but these electronics have a funny
Speaker 3: way of either not recording or not showing up or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I listened to it immediately and it was all
Speaker 3: on there, and I was That was the first time
Speaker 3: I ever recorded anything, and actually got something, and I
Speaker 3: listened to it like three or four times when I
Speaker 3: was up right after I recorded, while I was still there,
Speaker 3: and the whole thing was there. You can hear the hoots,
Speaker 3: you can hear a couple of hollers, and you can
Speaker 3: hear it starts out. You can hear me walking in
Speaker 3: the gravel. You can hear the hoots in the hollers,
Speaker 3: and then you can hear me do my call, and
Speaker 3: then nothing after that. I went home, and when I
Speaker 3: got home and I played it, there's about the whole
Speaker 3: forty five seconds of them hooting and hollering was gone.
Speaker 3: So I still have the recording. You can hear me
Speaker 3: walking through the gravel, and then immediately goes from as
Speaker 3: soon as I stopped walking in the gravel, it goes
Speaker 3: to me going whoa, and that whole forty five seconds
Speaker 3: or so of them hooting and hollering is going. It's
Speaker 3: just it's gone. It's going off the recording. Well how why,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I have no idea, but it's gone,
Speaker 3: so I can tell you.
Speaker 2: And it was there, is it like it was like
Speaker 2: it was split in that part was deleted out or
Speaker 2: just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, it's because, like I said, it was
Speaker 3: all on record, and then you can hear me walking
Speaker 3: into gravel and it immediately goes to me doing and
Speaker 3: the whole part of them doing their owls, hoots and
Speaker 3: hollers is gone. It is only I'd say it was
Speaker 3: a little less than a minute, but that whole it's gone.
Speaker 3: It's just it's deleted, that whole section. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I when I first started that this, when I first
Speaker 2: started this podcast, I used to kind of scoff at
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But now, dude, like I've experienced so
Speaker 2: many things where it's like drop phone calls, weird things
Speaker 2: happening in the phone calls, my internet going out completely
Speaker 2: just opened, and it's yeah, it's not out of the question, dude,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: And I think a big I'm not saying that's even
Speaker 3: the susquatch thing or paranormal stuff. It could be a
Speaker 3: big brother who knows. I don't know exactly, Yeah, control
Speaker 3: and some of it I don't know, but I was
Speaker 3: I could tell you as it was there, and you know,
Speaker 3: it takes me about an hour and a half to
Speaker 3: get home, and it was gone when I got home.
Speaker 3: Oh that's wild, But that's what amazes me is the
Speaker 3: Colorado stuff is still there, and it's you know, that's
Speaker 3: another thing. It seems like in Colorado you get their
Speaker 3: different So I never heard whoops in Pennsylvania ever, just
Speaker 3: they do their ale hoots and they do their imitation
Speaker 3: to me and whistles. But Colorado is the only place
Speaker 3: I heard actual whoops. That's the first place. That's the
Speaker 3: only place I ever heard of them. So I think
Speaker 3: that's another thing where maybe different parts of the country
Speaker 3: they do a little different vocalizations or have their own
Speaker 3: things they do in different areas. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that kind of thinking is out
Speaker 2: of the realm of logic at all. You had mentioned
Speaker 2: really quick earlier in this episode where you were starting
Speaker 2: to have some dreams that were happening. I would be
Speaker 2: curious if you'd be able to share anything about that
Speaker 2: or what you you met by that, what you started
Speaker 2: to experience. I'd be really curious.
Speaker 3: It was last let me tell you that, so twenty two.
Speaker 3: So twenty twenty we had the halloweyen thing. Twenty twenty
Speaker 3: one there was nothing, So twenty twenty two it started
Speaker 3: up again. So I'm not sure exactly when it was,
Speaker 3: but it was when I was struggling first, starting to
Speaker 3: struggle with wanting to see these things or not, because
Speaker 3: I know, once you see one, you cannot see it,
Speaker 3: and so I was wrestling with that, and I would
Speaker 3: say within a period of a week, I had three
Speaker 3: different dreams, vivid dreams of encounters. And the first one
Speaker 3: was it was exactly it was where we hunt and
Speaker 3: it's exactly the spot where I call ground zero, like
Speaker 3: where the X structure is and all that, and there's
Speaker 3: an interest. It's a grassy path and there's like a
Speaker 3: y there. So in my dream, I was hunting down
Speaker 3: in this thicket and I was walking back to my truck,
Speaker 3: and my truck was parked at the y. But the
Speaker 3: only weird thing about that is, you know a lot
Speaker 3: of drivebacker in your truck on this grassy path, but
Speaker 3: my truck was parked at the y in this grassy path,
Speaker 3: and I'm walking back to my truck and in my dream,
Speaker 3: maybe fifty yards from my truck, and I just had
Speaker 3: this uncontrolled like is you know, the feeling that you're
Speaker 3: being watched, something's right behind you, and I turn around
Speaker 3: and look in like twenty feet behind me, there's a
Speaker 3: sasquatch and I don't know it it was Harry and
Speaker 3: it was I don't know it was Harry. The face
Speaker 3: was pretty hairy, it didn't have a point, it had
Speaker 3: had a round it had. It was more human like
Speaker 3: than anything. But it was like a little bigger than me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a lot, It wasn't a big menacing monster
Speaker 3: a thousand pounds, eight foot tall. It was maybe six
Speaker 3: foot tall. And I turned around, obviously it scared me,
Speaker 3: and they like stared at me and smiled and then
Speaker 3: ran off. So then, and this is in my dream.
Speaker 3: I get to my truck and as I approached my truck,
Speaker 3: I'm approaching the passenger side of the truck, and then
Speaker 3: I go around to the driver's side of the truck
Speaker 3: and there's one on the other side of my truck
Speaker 3: that jumps up and looks at me and smiles and
Speaker 3: runs into the woods. So that was my first dream,
Speaker 3: And that was kind of freaked me out because but
Speaker 3: that's the one I wasn't sure if it was a
Speaker 3: dream or it was mine speak trying to maybe show
Speaker 3: me what you guys look like. I didn't know, but
Speaker 3: I wrote it off as a dream. Because I was
Speaker 3: wrestling with what did they look like? And then the
Speaker 3: other ones, the other two were same area. It was
Speaker 3: in the woods and just getting that feeling that you're
Speaker 3: being watched in the quiet and no birds and no
Speaker 3: crickets and no cicadas, just dead silence and knowing that
Speaker 3: they're there. And I turned and I looked and there
Speaker 3: was one standing next to a tree and it just
Speaker 3: how they said he do the peekaboo or peaked behind
Speaker 3: trees or whatever, and it just went behind a tree
Speaker 3: and peaked back out and went back behind a tree.
Speaker 3: But this was a big one. And those were my
Speaker 3: last two dreams. But like I said, I don't know
Speaker 3: where they mine speak, where they dreams. I think there
Speaker 3: were dreams, but because like I said, I was struggling
Speaker 3: with seeing one when I wanted to see one or not.
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I think there were dreams, but
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how you know if
Speaker 3: you have mind speaking unless you're actually I don't know.
Speaker 3: I struggle with it because I don't know if I'm
Speaker 3: getting it or not, you know, unless it's a direct
Speaker 3: but almost so basically a direct question and you get
Speaker 3: a direct answer or something physical happens.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, it's it's that's definitely an
Speaker 2: interesting thing. Both of your dreams were before you had
Speaker 2: that visual.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, yeah you had the visual. Yeah, these
Speaker 3: dreams were probably two years ago. My visual was just
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: That's wild, just a few weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Going back to the that visual, that.
Speaker 3: Was that was amazing that the gold eyes they were
Speaker 3: just so huge. I can't explain how it was like
Speaker 3: when you see the full moon coming up over the
Speaker 3: horizon and you're like, wow, is that big. That's how
Speaker 3: big these eyes were. That's the and they just they
Speaker 3: were almost they sparkled like gold metal flake, like polish
Speaker 3: gold metal flake, like they were made out of gold
Speaker 3: metal flake. I don't also describe it. And it was amazing.
Speaker 3: They were just and then it was the feeling on
Speaker 3: top of that that you get an adrenaline rush, obviously,
Speaker 3: but just the feeling.
Speaker 2: Was how far apart were the two eyes would you say.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe four or five inches, maybe four
Speaker 3: inches four to five inches.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember. I just listened to this too.
Speaker 2: You could actually see the hair as well. Right.
Speaker 3: Yes, I could see the outline. I could see the
Speaker 3: outline of the body that had just it was. It
Speaker 3: appeared very harry. There was no like, there was no
Speaker 3: muscular It was Harry. So there was it was Harry.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: describe this, but I don't know. So you're familiar with
Speaker 3: Scott Carpenter, yep, So I think in his intros. I
Speaker 3: haven't watched this thing for a while, but I think
Speaker 3: in his intros or the end they had, he goes
Speaker 3: through how he wore a back camera and he has
Speaker 3: these videos of being speaking in the laurel and whatnot
Speaker 3: and all that. So there was one. There's one. I
Speaker 3: think it was a white one and has it had
Speaker 3: big eyes and it was white and it was like
Speaker 3: it was all white and hairy. It was like almost
Speaker 3: like a pac Man looking thing or a cousin it
Speaker 3: or you know, from Adam's family or something. And that's
Speaker 3: what it looked like. It didn't look like a muscle bone.
Speaker 3: It was very hairy. It looked like a very hairy
Speaker 3: like the hair went right down to the shoulders into
Speaker 3: the body into it was all and and like I said,
Speaker 3: it was more outline than anything. I couldn't you know,
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you what color the hair was. But
Speaker 3: like I said, when it turned when I clicked the light,
Speaker 3: the higher being that it wasn't just the head that
Speaker 3: the whole body turned. Everything turned at once. The whole
Speaker 3: thing turned sideways, and it went behind that red oak
Speaker 3: tree and it was gone. And but like I said,
Speaker 3: and it was right where the hill rolls over behind
Speaker 3: the cabin. So I'm thinking I was seeing it from
Speaker 3: like the waist up or maybe thighs up, and it
Speaker 3: appeared to be maybe six foot tallish, I would say, maybe,
Speaker 3: But it wasn't. It wasn't four foot wide, thousand pounds,
Speaker 3: nothing like that. It was it was like almost my size,
Speaker 3: was I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Was there any smell in the air at that time?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: The only time I ever smelled anything was in the
Speaker 3: eighties when that one when we were playing basketball, and
Speaker 3: that one come down through the pine trees and was
Speaker 3: watching us while we were playing basketball, and that's the
Speaker 3: only I smelled it. That And then later that year
Speaker 3: when we were riding quads, we smelled the same smell.
Speaker 3: That's the only two times I ever smelled that, And
Speaker 3: which when the thing happened on Halloween, I didn't know,
Speaker 3: and I thought maybe they smelled all the time.
Speaker 2: Big for society, who would be right back after these messages?
Speaker 3: And I thought that was weird that we had that
Speaker 3: hour and a half encounter so and didn't smell anything.
Speaker 3: But I haven't smelled anything since then. Since the eighties, it's,
Speaker 3: you know, nothing, So I don't know. Obviously, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's something they controlled, like a skunk. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But I definitely smelled it in the eighties it was horrible,
Speaker 3: But nothing since then at all.
Speaker 2: Going back to Forbes State Forest, for have you heard
Speaker 2: of other people also having encounters in that same area
Speaker 2: that you haven't brought up yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'll be honest with you, Like my one
Speaker 3: buddy that I hunt with his family had a place
Speaker 3: up there in the seventies or whatnot, and there were
Speaker 3: stories from back in the seventies encounters whatever, sightings and
Speaker 3: what they were. But he told me that there was
Speaker 3: back in the seventies people would hear things or claim
Speaker 3: to see him or whatnot. But yeah, it's been Yeah,
Speaker 3: i'd say it's been a hot spot. And I even
Speaker 3: went on I don't know what I was on was
Speaker 3: recently and that something popped up with encounters in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: and there was a couple of markers close to Actually
Speaker 3: there was one marker where I parked. There was a
Speaker 3: marker right there exactly where I park, and I think
Speaker 3: it was from I don't know, maybe I think it
Speaker 3: was in the two thousands, from that marker, but it
Speaker 3: was exactly. The pin was exactly where I park and
Speaker 3: have a lot of my encounters just sitting in my
Speaker 3: truck and it's back off the road, it's back in
Speaker 3: the woods.
Speaker 2: What was your reaction when you saw that pin on
Speaker 2: that map?
Speaker 3: That was mazed? Because, like I said, I think there's
Speaker 3: from two thousand, it was from two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: eight nine somewhere. I can't remember exactly, but like I said,
Speaker 3: the pen was exactly because how I talked about that
Speaker 3: grassy path, the pin was right where that grassy path
Speaker 3: goes off their gravel road and where I said a
Speaker 3: lot of times. So yeah, I'm sure that's another. So
Speaker 3: here's another thing that's that I how like I know
Speaker 3: my son's been up burnhad encounters and he's like in
Speaker 3: some of the spots it's close to the lake or
Speaker 3: somewhat close anyways, And like when you hear the vocalizations,
Speaker 3: like he said, you'd think that if there's people fishing
Speaker 3: it at night on the lake or near the lake,
Speaker 3: that they would hear them. And then you hear the
Speaker 3: counters where certain people they might hear something and somebody
Speaker 3: that's with them doesn't hear anything, or maybe they're one
Speaker 3: hundred yards apart, and one heard a wood knock coming
Speaker 3: from the direction where their buddy was, but their buddy
Speaker 3: didn't hear nothing, and they should have been closer to
Speaker 3: the wood knock. So it's a belief that these things
Speaker 3: operate off of some kind of energy or and they're
Speaker 3: like a vibration and the frequency. So I never really
Speaker 3: paid that much mind, but then if you think about it,
Speaker 3: I just recently thought about this, and I don't know
Speaker 3: how radio works. A lot of electrician I don't know
Speaker 3: any TVs radio. How you get a voice in a
Speaker 3: studio to go to an antenna in the food air
Speaker 3: and then down another antenna in my radio and we talk.
Speaker 3: I don't get it, but I know they works, and
Speaker 3: there are different frequencies. And it struck me that, you
Speaker 3: know how some people hear things and people alongside or
Speaker 3: near don't hear something, and if it is, they do
Speaker 3: uprate on a different frequency. I mean, like me and
Speaker 3: you can be in the same house and I could
Speaker 3: be listening to one of two point five on the
Speaker 3: radio and listening to Leonard Skinnyard, and you can be
Speaker 3: in another room listening to one of four point seven
Speaker 3: and listening to a country song. And we're in the
Speaker 3: same house, but we're listening to two different frequencies and
Speaker 3: two different stations and hearing two different things. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I totally get it. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's out outside the realm of possibility either. I think
Speaker 2: there's some really weird frequency stuff going on. I've been
Speaker 2: in situations where people in the group have heard stuff live.
Speaker 2: No one else heard it, including myself, but it was
Speaker 2: picked up on the recorder. There's just this weird stuff, man,
Speaker 2: Honestly don't know. It's one of those things where I
Speaker 2: hope we get the answer to it someday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that'll ever have.
Speaker 3: I know the government knows about these things, and who knows,
Speaker 3: you know, holding depth that gets. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's something. I mean, just
Speaker 3: everything that's coming out, like your podcast, all the different podcasts,
Speaker 3: there's ten, just kind of it's well over. It's got
Speaker 3: to be in one hundreds of thousands of people by now,
Speaker 3: I would think with these different experiences and then a
Speaker 3: portion of them's hoaxes. And I'm not out here. I'm
Speaker 3: not looking to make no money. I'm not I'm just
Speaker 3: sharing my experiences. I got nothing to gain from out
Speaker 3: of this. As a matter of fact, you probably got
Speaker 3: more to lose than you got the game because people
Speaker 3: are going nuts. I'm just sharing my experiences like everybody
Speaker 3: else is doing. And I don't know. Like I like said,
Speaker 3: a lot of people say that you need there's no
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what video you have,
Speaker 3: what audio recording. You have to always say, oh, that
Speaker 3: was your buddy running through the woods making them holes
Speaker 3: and them hoots. And there will always be people to
Speaker 3: debunk everything, no matter what video, what footage you have,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't matter. And then these people say all
Speaker 3: this technology and all the video cameras and all the
Speaker 3: trail cameras, there's all the pictures and it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: because if you do get a picture, they're gonna they're
Speaker 3: gonna say it's not real anyways. And they all use
Speaker 3: trail cameras. They're all over the place. Everybody has, everybody
Speaker 3: sticks from. But number one, they manipulate the electronics, and
Speaker 3: number two they work off infra red and anything electronic
Speaker 3: puts out whatever a magnetic field, a pulse or whatever.
Speaker 3: They know it's there. If they want to avoid it,
Speaker 3: they're gonna avoid it. So it's just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. If I don't know,
Speaker 3: I wantest to go. I think it would be up
Speaker 3: to them. And I think maybe that this is their
Speaker 3: thing of maybe slowly introducing this stuff to the public,
Speaker 3: because obviously with the Internet and all the thing's going
Speaker 3: on today, it's all out there and it's a lot
Speaker 3: more mainstream, and they both of you and it's more popular,
Speaker 3: and so there's maybe this is their way having more
Speaker 3: experiences with people and people sharing their experiences and just
Speaker 3: getting it all out there. I don't know, but it
Speaker 3: just seems like there's more experiences happening. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's my feelings on it.
Speaker 2: It's I agree with you. It's a thing where I
Speaker 2: do this so that people have a place to share
Speaker 2: with the experience. But also I look at it as
Speaker 2: if I keep putting water in the bathtub, eventually everything's
Speaker 2: going to overflow them. If all these podcasts keep putting
Speaker 2: stuff out there, and you got all the YouTube shows
Speaker 2: and all that, eventually it has to be addressed by
Speaker 2: someone that is higher up, right, That's just and we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens.
Speaker 3: But that's just like the ufoth are slowly leaking out
Speaker 3: UFO stuff. And that's like I said, I'm mentioned before.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's I'm more like whatever the spiritual
Speaker 3: side of it, interdimensional, spiritual, I think it's all related.
Speaker 3: And so the only I never had so the only
Speaker 3: spiritual thing ever had happened was in the hospital. I
Speaker 3: think I'm not sure if it was my son or
Speaker 3: my daughter. I can't remember right to say that, but
Speaker 3: I think it was my son. And we were it
Speaker 3: was right after the birth, and we were in the
Speaker 3: in the hospital room and we were laying there and
Speaker 3: my wife, she's her name is Sandy, and she's laying
Speaker 3: in the bed and I was sitting next to her,
Speaker 3: and Mark was laying right next to door, right between us, basically,
Speaker 3: and her mother passed away years ago in two thousand
Speaker 3: and one. I believe she had a brain aneurysm, and
Speaker 3: but she had a way that she said her name
Speaker 3: like she was saying Sandy. She always emphasized her name.
Speaker 3: And We're laying there and it was quiet, We're watching TV,
Speaker 3: but the volume was down low, and I heard her
Speaker 3: mother say her name, like that is Sandy, and she
Speaker 3: looked at me, and I looked at her and I says,
Speaker 3: you heard that, didn't you sees, Yeah, my mother just
Speaker 3: said my name. I was like, oh my god, And
Speaker 3: like I said, this was I guess Mark was born
Speaker 3: in two thousand and six. So that was definitely a
Speaker 3: moment because we both heard it. We looked at each
Speaker 3: other and we at the moment we heard that, and
Speaker 3: that was strange. But as far as I hear stories
Speaker 3: of these things following you home and going in your
Speaker 3: house and inviting bad things in, I hope none of
Speaker 3: that ever happens to me. But yeah, so I hope
Speaker 3: that never happens. But I don't know, like what's happening
Speaker 3: to me now? Like I said, it's almost it's very rarely.
Speaker 3: Other than screams once on a blue moon, and actually
Speaker 3: just the only screams that were like at the beginning
Speaker 3: that you know, the Halloween night thing. And like I said,
Speaker 3: I think we cut them off. We were coming out
Speaker 3: of woods, they were going up the valley, we were
Speaker 3: coming down the valley, and I think we had their
Speaker 3: family group separated. That's why they got aggressive air. And
Speaker 3: then I think that little one that about a month ago.
Speaker 3: But typically it's you know, I don't know, it's called friendly,
Speaker 3: but it's not scary. I don't get. You know, That's
Speaker 3: the other thing. A lot of people talk about the
Speaker 3: feeling of dread and the infrasound and and all that.
Speaker 3: I've never gotten out of that. I never got no feeling.
Speaker 3: I'm scared because you're dealing with something you don't know.
Speaker 3: But I never got that feeling of dread and the
Speaker 3: stuff like that immense fear like a lot of people
Speaker 3: talk about. But I mean, I'm obviously scared because you know,
Speaker 3: because like I said, and they're never alone and it's
Speaker 3: they always seem to surround it or whatever. Three four,
Speaker 3: three or four of them usually said that kind of
Speaker 3: freaks out a little. But but I don't know. I
Speaker 3: guess I'll just see what happens here in the future,
Speaker 3: and you know we can keep in touch me. I
Speaker 3: will send you, I'll send you videos.
Speaker 2: And yes, please, I would love love to see them. Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I will, I'll put a note on
Speaker 3: what goes to what. And then there's also at that
Speaker 3: footprint in Colorado from a few weeks ago, a month ago,
Speaker 3: and there's that there's I'm telling you you just if
Speaker 3: you showed this on your podcast, you need to let
Speaker 3: it up ever long enough for people to look at it.
Speaker 3: And if you look into the center that footprint, there's
Speaker 3: an image of a subsquatch in the center that footprint,
Speaker 3: his head, the big eyes, the cone head and it's
Speaker 3: right in the center the footprint, and that kind of
Speaker 3: freaked me out.
Speaker 2: That's wild, Dave. It has been just a pleasure having
Speaker 2: you on the show. And I can almost guarantee your
Speaker 2: story is not over it. I can just you're probably
Speaker 2: going to have more stuff happen in the future and
Speaker 2: you and your son and who knows. And I would
Speaker 2: love if you'd be able to keep in touch in
Speaker 2: the future for sure.
Speaker 3: Sure, yep, And yeah, I'd love to and I'll see
Speaker 3: what happens in the future. I'm going up Todays, what Tuesday,
Speaker 3: I'm going up forer Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
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