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<v Speaker 1>We're live everywhere on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and the iHeartRadio

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<v Speaker 1>app at mister mo Kelly is tech Thursday. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know that means that means Marshall Callier joins us in studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Always love to see Marshall Collier. Marsha is great to

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<v Speaker 1>see you. How are you doing tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid I have bad news this week tech news,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's something we have to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the rebellion against AI.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, the marked runner needs to pay attention to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark never listens to me. That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>They have found that people are starting like the language

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<v Speaker 2>learning app dou A Lingo has started using AI voice

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<v Speaker 2>or they're there are classes. People don't like that. They

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<v Speaker 2>like the sound and the intonation of a human voice,

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<v Speaker 2>and that makes sense. We've all heard computer voice and

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<v Speaker 2>it ain't the same, right we can still distinguish, so

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<v Speaker 2>we can still distinguish that. And then the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is reading books, like even read It and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>People have threatened to cancel subscriptions to do a lingo

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<v Speaker 2>and audible. They voiced concern for human translators and narrators

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<v Speaker 2>and AI creates inferior experiences, which I think it does,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially this article that I found brought up a

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<v Speaker 2>great thing. What about if it's reading a romance novel. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't pull off romessage.

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<v Speaker 1>But you just said something that peaked my interest audible.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, books on tape quote unquote books on tape.

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<v Speaker 1>They're having AI voices read it instead of having someone

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<v Speaker 1>like you or me give it a genuine treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a whole lot cheaper, and they admit it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yes, that doesn't surprise me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, current AI can make it sound good,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, but it would make a sex scene hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if they were able to program an AI to

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<v Speaker 2>be breathier, to ramp up the rhythm, right, it still

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<v Speaker 2>isn't going to be the same as a human narrator

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<v Speaker 2>who has experienced a sexual encounter.

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<v Speaker 1>So there, AI, are you saying that we should train

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<v Speaker 1>up AI.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the recommendation here?

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<v Speaker 2>It would have to understand feelings and we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's enough that it's turned off potential customers

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<v Speaker 2>and people are just walking away.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know this, but Mark has made the argument that.

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<v Speaker 4>We society do not want a I. It is. It

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<v Speaker 4>is a derivative it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It cannot create, It can only steal from creators.

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<v Speaker 4>Mark. You can disagree with me or enhance what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm actually kind of in the middle of something right now,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think you've got it covered. And I emailed myself.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe one of the articles you guys are talking

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<v Speaker 5>about earlier today, just because I wanted to rub your nose.

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<v Speaker 4>In after last night's fantasy spirited debate last night.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh let me tell you, but it was the article

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<v Speaker 5>about how relying on AI causes your brain to atrophy.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just about going to talk about that, right Thank.

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<v Speaker 4>You for opening that door. Mark Marshall, take it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I have the study in front of me. It

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<v Speaker 2>was from MI T Now, MIT are really smart people. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty smart. MO is really smart. We're all pretty

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<v Speaker 2>smart around here. And if you take all of our

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<v Speaker 2>collective brains, this is Tony Stark smart exactly. This is

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<v Speaker 2>so so I'm going to have to be careful as

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<v Speaker 2>I give you the information. So they did a study

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<v Speaker 2>on the cognitive cost of using a large learning machine,

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<v Speaker 2>which is AI. They use chat GPT from open ai

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<v Speaker 2>as their example. They assigned participants to three groups, the

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<v Speaker 2>LM group, the search engine group.

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<v Speaker 3>And the brain only group. Remember that one.

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<v Speaker 1>See no, I'm still in a brain only group. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not using actively using AI for anything yet.

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<v Speaker 2>They had three sessions for the same task three times,

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<v Speaker 2>and that task was each participant used a designated tool

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<v Speaker 2>or no tool if you're in the brain group, to

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<v Speaker 2>write an essay. Then they use electro and cephalography EEG

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<v Speaker 2>to record the participant's brain.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where it gets really weird.

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<v Speaker 2>So the active in their brain to assess the cognitive

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<v Speaker 2>enhancement and cognitive load as they were performing these tasks. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they performed a lot of technical stuff which I'll skip,

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<v Speaker 2>but what they discovered is brain only, l M, and

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<v Speaker 2>search engine. Those were the three groups, the tools they

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<v Speaker 2>were allowed to use. The brain only group had They

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<v Speaker 2>all had significantly different neural connectivity patterns. Brain connectivity systematically

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<v Speaker 2>scaled down with the amount of external support. So the

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<v Speaker 2>more stuff they took from AI, unless their brain was penetrated.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't we understand that?

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<v Speaker 1>Know that on a certain level, the brain is a

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<v Speaker 1>muscle if you're not exercising it. It actually used to

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<v Speaker 1>use the word that Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Used, Well, absolutely, but we've got kids graduating high school.

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<v Speaker 4>They can't read or write an essay, or.

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<v Speaker 3>Write an essay.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, here it was proven brain connectivity systematically

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<v Speaker 2>scaled down with the amount of support. The brain only

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<v Speaker 2>group exhibited the strongest and widest ranging networks, the search

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<v Speaker 2>engine group showed intermediate engagement, and the LM assistants elicited

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<v Speaker 2>the weakest overall coupling.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me be a contrarium very quickly, because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>growing up my family. You know, you shouldn't use a

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<v Speaker 1>calculator because you're not working your brain. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>doing the math, you shouldn't use a computer because you're

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<v Speaker 1>not working your brain.

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<v Speaker 4>This is that to the degree it seems this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the future, and this is what's scary because people

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<v Speaker 2>can't do math either anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not math is my show.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't do math anyhow, or so I'm not losing anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, the reported ownership of LM group's essays

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<v Speaker 2>in the interviews was low. The search engine group had

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<v Speaker 2>strong ownership, but lesser than the brain only group. The

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<v Speaker 2>LM group also fell behind in their ability to quote

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<v Speaker 2>from the essays they just wrote minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they had no firsthand participation.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't do it themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is what your teacher has been saying at

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<v Speaker 2>all these earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when our teachers will get angry at us for

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<v Speaker 1>just using cliffs notes.

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<v Speaker 2>How about I want to see your work in maths.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, show your work, Show your work, show

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<v Speaker 2>your work.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they came out with that new math, which

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<v Speaker 3>still to me makes zero sun.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems like it takes more steps.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to, but that faded out because it did so. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>bottom line, use as little AI as necessary. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>told you, I went over my insurance policy with AI.

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<v Speaker 2>That was helpful because I know nothing about insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>Great great, great recommendations in tips. Then when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to get to the other part of the

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<v Speaker 1>bad news is another major breach, and Marsha, you are

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<v Speaker 1>knee deep in this.

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<v Speaker 4>As far as trying to get to the bottom of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to contact Google, so we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's later with mo Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall Collier joins us in Studio Tech Thursday, KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeartRadio App. Let's continue Tech Thursday with Marsha Collier,

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<v Speaker 1>who's still joining us in studio. Marsha, seems like you

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<v Speaker 1>got more bad news to tell us.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, this is humdigger. If you're gonna use that phrase,

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<v Speaker 3>this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only was there a breach recently of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty one hundred and eighty four million logins on

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<v Speaker 2>social media. There was a breach and we thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was big. Now we have a new one. It's only

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen billion names passwords and what companies are they?

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<v Speaker 3>From? Apple? You've got an Apple password?

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<v Speaker 4>Google, I got some of those. Facebook definitely got some

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<v Speaker 4>of those.

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<v Speaker 3>Telegram don't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>And a bunch of VPNs and I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be more because no official word has

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<v Speaker 2>come out.

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<v Speaker 3>So before I came to the show. I messaged on.

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<v Speaker 2>X to Google. That was it two thirty five today? Google,

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<v Speaker 2>do you suggest everyone sho the Google account. They're to

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<v Speaker 2>Google account password now to protect their Gmail YouTube password

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<v Speaker 2>manager and more.

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<v Speaker 3>No response, that's what I'm hearing, crickets.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me ask you this. Let's tie this back

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<v Speaker 1>to what you were saying. I think was last week

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<v Speaker 1>of the week before two factor authentication. Let's say our

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<v Speaker 1>information is out there, someone gets our password and it's.

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<v Speaker 4>The correct password, correct username, and they log in. Won't

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<v Speaker 4>two factor authentication protect us?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>But what will even protect us more is you've almost

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<v Speaker 2>pulled me over to the ubkey side. Okay, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>a UBI key as so you know it what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little hardware device looks like a little key

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<v Speaker 2>plugs into one of your USB ports, or it plugs

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<v Speaker 2>in at the bottom of your phone, and that locks

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<v Speaker 2>the data in your phone. You can't use the data,

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<v Speaker 2>the passwords unless you have it plugged in.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just too afraid I'm going to lose it.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I would.

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<v Speaker 1>And also for me and I thought about getting one,

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<v Speaker 1>it would get in the way of my charging. You

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<v Speaker 1>might get in the way of my headphones, just the

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<v Speaker 1>normal day to day use.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I put it on a keychain, I'd figure

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<v Speaker 2>the clanking of the keys was.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to break it. Yeah, something bad was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, this is it's a lot of credentials. Think

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<v Speaker 2>about your crypto. Huh you didn't think of that, did you?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that stored in there too. Think about your email,

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<v Speaker 2>your messaging at breaking information, banking information. What can these

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<v Speaker 2>people do? Account takeovers? Real simple. When I messaged, that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't message, that was a public tweet. When I tweeted

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<v Speaker 2>were xd to Google? I saw they were getting lots

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<v Speaker 2>of You have to click on the replies. You go

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<v Speaker 2>to their page and you click on the replies because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't show that in their regular stream.

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<v Speaker 3>The regular stream is.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, pr and bravo for you, but at least they

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<v Speaker 2>do address some of the people. But they were getting

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<v Speaker 2>one after one of people whose accounts were taken over,

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<v Speaker 2>and people could not get back into your accounts. So

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm telling you you need to do. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do this myself. I've not done it because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do it. Do your Google or

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<v Speaker 2>your Apple account change the password today? What do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to gamble that you're you're special, You're not one

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<v Speaker 2>of the sixteen billions.

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<v Speaker 2>With my lock you know, definitely you got to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>have to factor authentication on everything from now on.

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<v Speaker 4>I got that, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do too, But I mean the havoc that this

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<v Speaker 2>can wreck on your life. And Moe, we got a

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<v Speaker 2>minute here. What are we going to do about this?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 4>What can we do?

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<v Speaker 3>What we can't do? Not reuse passwords? Well, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I let Google a sign, you know, Google password

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<v Speaker 1>I look, that's how I usually have to do lost

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<v Speaker 2>job at it self generated passwords, but they haven't missed

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<v Speaker 2>a trick. If I am on one device and it's

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<v Speaker 2>pen and I burned off my fingerprint. It can happen, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Finger, So we just have to be super careful and please,

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<v Speaker 2>please please please change your password, sapy.

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<v Speaker 4>But they're not going to, are you gonna? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>to do it all at once. That's something else. The

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<v Speaker 2>If you change your main one, there's so many I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about. Please do you can hack into my gas?

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<v Speaker 2>Cussocal right, help pay the bill? Pay my bill? Same

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<v Speaker 2>thing with DWPY knock yourself out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I would say, social media, email, banking information.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you don't want social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody could You could be sleeping and some idiot could

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's what I'm saying. That's why we're change those passwords.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they are important and can really recavoc in.

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<v Speaker 2>Your life and banking stuff like that. Obviously you got

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<v Speaker 2>us and the big businesses are not going to back

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<v Speaker 4>I just likeing it to look.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, some fool out there stole the master key, so

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<v Speaker 1>you got to change your locks at home. And the

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<v Speaker 1>alternative is getting robs, so just go ahead and change

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<v Speaker 1>your locks.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh lord, lord, what you know? You got to use

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<v Speaker 3>your brain?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, fake people are reading audible books for us. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the world is changing, folks, and we have to take

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<v Speaker 2>our responsibility for some things and keep learning. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm here every week, because hey, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>keep learning.

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<v Speaker 4>And very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, for those who might be hearing and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>you for the first time, how can they reach you?

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<v Speaker 4>Marshall Collier.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Marsha Collier. I'm the author of over forty

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<v Speaker 2>seven books in the Four Dummies book series. You can

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<v Speaker 2>find my books on Amazon dot com. You can find

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<v Speaker 2>my website at Marsha Collier dot com. And I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>x at Marsha Collier.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always have to throw this in here because

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<v Speaker 1>people assume that it's spelled one way, what is spelled

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<v Speaker 1>the other way.

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<v Speaker 4>M A R S H A C O L l

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Later with mo Kelly, Marshall Collier. Great to see you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope to see you again next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Next week, it's a date you're listening to.

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