Speaker 1: We're live everywhere on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and the iHeartRadio
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Speaker 1: know that means that means Marshall Callier joins us in studio.
Speaker 1: Always love to see Marshall Collier. Marsha is great to
Speaker 1: see you. How are you doing tonight.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid I have bad news this week tech news,
Speaker 2: but it's something we have to talk about it.
Speaker 3: But the rebellion against AI.
Speaker 1: Oh, the marked runner needs to pay attention to this.
Speaker 3: Mark never listens to me. That's great.
Speaker 2: They have found that people are starting like the language
Speaker 2: learning app dou A Lingo has started using AI voice
Speaker 2: or they're there are classes. People don't like that. They
Speaker 2: like the sound and the intonation of a human voice,
Speaker 2: and that makes sense. We've all heard computer voice and
Speaker 2: it ain't the same, right we can still distinguish, so
Speaker 2: we can still distinguish that. And then the other thing
Speaker 2: is reading books, like even read It and all that.
Speaker 2: People have threatened to cancel subscriptions to do a lingo
Speaker 2: and audible. They voiced concern for human translators and narrators
Speaker 2: and AI creates inferior experiences, which I think it does,
Speaker 2: and especially this article that I found brought up a
Speaker 2: great thing. What about if it's reading a romance novel. Oh,
Speaker 2: we can't pull off romessage.
Speaker 1: But you just said something that peaked my interest audible.
Speaker 1: In other words, books on tape quote unquote books on tape.
Speaker 1: They're having AI voices read it instead of having someone
Speaker 1: like you or me give it a genuine treatment.
Speaker 3: It's a whole lot cheaper, and they admit it.
Speaker 4: Well, yes, that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, current AI can make it sound good,
Speaker 2: and they said, but it would make a sex scene hilarious.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 2: Even if they were able to program an AI to
Speaker 2: be breathier, to ramp up the rhythm, right, it still
Speaker 2: isn't going to be the same as a human narrator
Speaker 2: who has experienced a sexual encounter.
Speaker 1: So there, AI, are you saying that we should train
Speaker 1: up AI.
Speaker 4: What's the recommendation here?
Speaker 2: It would have to understand feelings and we don't.
Speaker 3: We're not there yet.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's enough that it's turned off potential customers
Speaker 2: and people are just walking away.
Speaker 1: You don't know this, but Mark has made the argument that.
Speaker 4: We society do not want a I. It is. It
Speaker 4: is a derivative it is.
Speaker 1: It cannot create, It can only steal from creators.
Speaker 4: Mark. You can disagree with me or enhance what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I'm actually kind of in the middle of something right now,
Speaker 5: but I think you've got it covered. And I emailed myself.
Speaker 5: I believe one of the articles you guys are talking
Speaker 5: about earlier today, just because I wanted to rub your nose.
Speaker 4: In after last night's fantasy spirited debate last night.
Speaker 5: Oh let me tell you, but it was the article
Speaker 5: about how relying on AI causes your brain to atrophy.
Speaker 3: We're just about going to talk about that, right Thank.
Speaker 4: You for opening that door. Mark Marshall, take it away.
Speaker 2: Now, I have the study in front of me. It
Speaker 2: was from MI T Now, MIT are really smart people. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty smart. MO is really smart. We're all pretty
Speaker 2: smart around here. And if you take all of our
Speaker 2: collective brains, this is Tony Stark smart exactly. This is
Speaker 2: so so I'm going to have to be careful as
Speaker 2: I give you the information. So they did a study
Speaker 2: on the cognitive cost of using a large learning machine,
Speaker 2: which is AI. They use chat GPT from open ai
Speaker 2: as their example. They assigned participants to three groups, the
Speaker 2: LM group, the search engine group.
Speaker 3: And the brain only group. Remember that one.
Speaker 1: See no, I'm still in a brain only group. I'm
Speaker 1: not using actively using AI for anything yet.
Speaker 2: They had three sessions for the same task three times,
Speaker 2: and that task was each participant used a designated tool
Speaker 2: or no tool if you're in the brain group, to
Speaker 2: write an essay. Then they use electro and cephalography EEG
Speaker 2: to record the participant's brain.
Speaker 3: This is where it gets really weird.
Speaker 2: So the active in their brain to assess the cognitive
Speaker 2: enhancement and cognitive load as they were performing these tasks. So, okay,
Speaker 2: they performed a lot of technical stuff which I'll skip,
Speaker 2: but what they discovered is brain only, l M, and
Speaker 2: search engine. Those were the three groups, the tools they
Speaker 2: were allowed to use. The brain only group had They
Speaker 2: all had significantly different neural connectivity patterns. Brain connectivity systematically
Speaker 2: scaled down with the amount of external support. So the
Speaker 2: more stuff they took from AI, unless their brain was penetrated.
Speaker 4: Don't we understand that?
Speaker 1: Know that on a certain level, the brain is a
Speaker 1: muscle if you're not exercising it. It actually used to
Speaker 1: use the word that Mark.
Speaker 2: Used, Well, absolutely, but we've got kids graduating high school.
Speaker 4: They can't read or write an essay, or.
Speaker 3: Write an essay.
Speaker 2: But I mean, here it was proven brain connectivity systematically
Speaker 2: scaled down with the amount of support. The brain only
Speaker 2: group exhibited the strongest and widest ranging networks, the search
Speaker 2: engine group showed intermediate engagement, and the LM assistants elicited
Speaker 2: the weakest overall coupling.
Speaker 1: Let me be a contrarium very quickly, because I remember
Speaker 1: growing up my family. You know, you shouldn't use a
Speaker 1: calculator because you're not working your brain. As far as
Speaker 1: doing the math, you shouldn't use a computer because you're
Speaker 1: not working your brain.
Speaker 4: This is that to the degree it seems this.
Speaker 2: Is the future, and this is what's scary because people
Speaker 2: can't do math either anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm not math is my show.
Speaker 4: I couldn't do math anyhow, or so I'm not losing anything.
Speaker 3: So I mean.
Speaker 2: In the end, the reported ownership of LM group's essays
Speaker 2: in the interviews was low. The search engine group had
Speaker 2: strong ownership, but lesser than the brain only group. The
Speaker 2: LM group also fell behind in their ability to quote
Speaker 2: from the essays they just wrote minutes ago.
Speaker 4: Because they had no firsthand participation.
Speaker 3: They didn't do it themselves.
Speaker 2: And that is what your teacher has been saying at
Speaker 2: all these earth.
Speaker 1: Remember when our teachers will get angry at us for
Speaker 1: just using cliffs notes.
Speaker 2: How about I want to see your work in maths.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, show your work, Show your work, show
Speaker 2: your work.
Speaker 3: And then they came out with that new math, which
Speaker 3: still to me makes zero sun.
Speaker 4: It seems like it takes more steps.
Speaker 2: It seems to, but that faded out because it did so. Anyway,
Speaker 2: bottom line, use as little AI as necessary. Like I
Speaker 2: told you, I went over my insurance policy with AI.
Speaker 2: That was helpful because I know nothing about insurance.
Speaker 1: Great great, great recommendations in tips. Then when we come back,
Speaker 1: we have to get to the other part of the
Speaker 1: bad news is another major breach, and Marsha, you are
Speaker 1: knee deep in this.
Speaker 4: As far as trying to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to contact Google, so we'll talk about that.
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Speaker 1: who's still joining us in studio. Marsha, seems like you
Speaker 1: got more bad news to tell us.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is humdigger. If you're gonna use that phrase,
Speaker 3: this is it.
Speaker 2: Not only was there a breach recently of one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty one hundred and eighty four million logins on
Speaker 2: social media. There was a breach and we thought that
Speaker 2: was big. Now we have a new one. It's only
Speaker 2: sixteen billion names passwords and what companies are they?
Speaker 3: From? Apple? You've got an Apple password?
Speaker 4: Google, I got some of those. Facebook definitely got some
Speaker 4: of those.
Speaker 3: Telegram don't have that.
Speaker 2: And a bunch of VPNs and I have a feeling
Speaker 2: they're going to be more because no official word has
Speaker 2: come out.
Speaker 3: So before I came to the show. I messaged on.
Speaker 2: X to Google. That was it two thirty five today? Google,
Speaker 2: do you suggest everyone sho the Google account. They're to
Speaker 2: Google account password now to protect their Gmail YouTube password
Speaker 2: manager and more.
Speaker 3: No response, that's what I'm hearing, crickets.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. Let's tie this back
Speaker 1: to what you were saying. I think was last week
Speaker 1: of the week before two factor authentication. Let's say our
Speaker 1: information is out there, someone gets our password and it's.
Speaker 4: The correct password, correct username, and they log in. Won't
Speaker 4: two factor authentication protect us?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: But what will even protect us more is you've almost
Speaker 2: pulled me over to the ubkey side. Okay, I can't
Speaker 2: a UBI key as so you know it what it is.
Speaker 2: It's a little hardware device looks like a little key
Speaker 2: plugs into one of your USB ports, or it plugs
Speaker 2: in at the bottom of your phone, and that locks
Speaker 2: the data in your phone. You can't use the data,
Speaker 2: the passwords unless you have it plugged in.
Speaker 3: And I'm just too afraid I'm going to lose it.
Speaker 4: I know I would.
Speaker 1: And also for me and I thought about getting one,
Speaker 1: it would get in the way of my charging. You
Speaker 1: might get in the way of my headphones, just the
Speaker 1: normal day to day use.
Speaker 2: And if I put it on a keychain, I'd figure
Speaker 2: the clanking of the keys was.
Speaker 3: Going to break it. Yeah, something bad was going to happen.
Speaker 2: But anyway, this is it's a lot of credentials. Think
Speaker 2: about your crypto. Huh you didn't think of that, did you?
Speaker 2: Because that stored in there too. Think about your email,
Speaker 2: your messaging at breaking information, banking information. What can these
Speaker 2: people do? Account takeovers? Real simple. When I messaged, that
Speaker 2: wasn't message, that was a public tweet. When I tweeted
Speaker 2: were xd to Google? I saw they were getting lots
Speaker 2: of You have to click on the replies. You go
Speaker 2: to their page and you click on the replies because
Speaker 2: they don't show that in their regular stream.
Speaker 3: The regular stream is.
Speaker 2: Nice, pr and bravo for you, but at least they
Speaker 2: do address some of the people. But they were getting
Speaker 2: one after one of people whose accounts were taken over,
Speaker 2: and people could not get back into your accounts. So
Speaker 2: what I'm telling you you need to do. I don't
Speaker 2: want to do this myself. I've not done it because
Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. Do your Google or
Speaker 2: your Apple account change the password today? What do you
Speaker 2: want to gamble that you're you're special, You're not one
Speaker 2: of the sixteen billions.
Speaker 4: I know I'm not special.
Speaker 2: With my lock you know, definitely you got to do it,
Speaker 2: have to factor authentication on everything from now on.
Speaker 4: I got that, that's it.
Speaker 2: I do too, But I mean the havoc that this
Speaker 2: can wreck on your life. And Moe, we got a
Speaker 2: minute here. What are we going to do about this?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: What can we do?
Speaker 3: What we can't do? Not reuse passwords? Well, yeah, we
Speaker 3: reuse passwords. We're human breeds beans brain only.
Speaker 2: Yes, I let Google a sign, you know, Google password
Speaker 2: Manager assign one of those wacky passwords that I would
Speaker 2: never know.
Speaker 1: I look, that's how I usually have to do lost
Speaker 1: password because I use one of those arbitrarries self generated
Speaker 1: passwords that you can't I've never even looked at one,
Speaker 1: much less trying to remember it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've found and I've only used Google,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure that Apple other have do a good
Speaker 2: job at it self generated passwords, but they haven't missed
Speaker 2: a trick. If I am on one device and it's
Speaker 2: set up as my Google password manager, it always works,
Speaker 2: and I'm always a little paranoid about using my biometrics
Speaker 2: with my thumb or my whatever finger because what if
Speaker 2: if I've cut myself? What if I picked up a
Speaker 2: pen and I burned off my fingerprint. It can happen, right,
Speaker 2: I mean no.
Speaker 4: It can. There are days where it doesn't recognize your.
Speaker 2: Finger, So we just have to be super careful and please,
Speaker 2: please please please change your password, sapy.
Speaker 4: But they're not going to, are you gonna? Yes?
Speaker 1: I am, yes, I am probably tonight when I get home,
Speaker 1: when I have a chance to do it. That's what
Speaker 1: I try to do all my stuff, and I try
Speaker 1: to do it all at once. That's something else. The
Speaker 1: only thing that I would recommend, just do them all
Speaker 1: at once. You're thinking about it.
Speaker 2: If you change your main one, there's so many I
Speaker 2: don't care about. Please do you can hack into my gas?
Speaker 2: Cussocal right, help pay the bill? Pay my bill? Same
Speaker 2: thing with DWPY knock yourself out.
Speaker 1: You know, I would say, social media, email, banking information.
Speaker 3: Now, you don't want social media.
Speaker 2: Somebody could You could be sleeping and some idiot could
Speaker 2: be in wrecking habit.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I'm saying. That's why we're change those passwords.
Speaker 1: Because they are important and can really recavoc in.
Speaker 2: Your life and banking stuff like that. Obviously you got
Speaker 2: to do it. It's I don't know how else we
Speaker 2: can protect ourselves because the government isn't going to protect
Speaker 2: us and the big businesses are not going to back
Speaker 2: up and pay us for any damage they caused.
Speaker 4: I just likeing it to look.
Speaker 1: Okay, some fool out there stole the master key, so
Speaker 1: you got to change your locks at home. And the
Speaker 1: alternative is getting robs, so just go ahead and change
Speaker 1: your locks.
Speaker 3: Oh lord, lord, what you know? You got to use
Speaker 3: your brain?
Speaker 2: Yep, fake people are reading audible books for us. I mean,
Speaker 2: the world is changing, folks, and we have to take
Speaker 2: our responsibility for some things and keep learning. And that's
Speaker 2: why I'm here every week, because hey, we got to
Speaker 2: keep learning.
Speaker 4: And very quickly.
Speaker 1: Of course, for those who might be hearing and seeing
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Speaker 4: Marshall Collier.
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