1 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,359 Speaker 1: And welcome into the live hang everybody. That was eight seconds, 2 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,800 just to give you a frame of reference of how 3 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:31,280 long you need to inbound to basketball. I am Chuck Mockler. 4 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:33,960 Welcome to Clips and Dip. A happy hour hang, kind 5 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,719 of a sad hour given the state of the Clippers. 6 00:00:37,719 --> 00:00:40,280 William Updyke is here, Adam Osland and we were joined 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,000 by Justin Russo justin, thank you for coming on. If 8 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:45,840 you're listening to this and you miss this, you can 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:52,000 find us at YouTube dot complish Act Clippers Podcast. How 10 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:55,359 are we doing? I feel broken? If I'm being perfectly honest, 11 00:00:55,399 --> 00:01:00,799 I think last night's lost might have broken me. Justin, 12 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:01,280 how are you? 13 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:03,119 Speaker 2: I'm actually doing great? 14 00:01:04,159 --> 00:01:04,439 Speaker 1: Happy? 15 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:06,599 Speaker 2: I mean the team's not, but I'm doing fantastic. 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:14,359 Speaker 3: Will ah Man, I like, personally I'm doing fine. I'm 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,439 not having any like, any amount of fun watching this team, 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,400 if that's what you're asking. 19 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean personally, I know we're all doing great 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,359 and things cannot be better team wise, difficult, Adam, How 21 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:28,799 are you? How? How have you been dealing with the callers? 22 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:31,719 How was it last night on Clippers Talk? 23 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:34,719 Speaker 4: You know, the callers are always better than the chatter, 24 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,920 so it turns out people that will say nasty things 25 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,680 in a chat room or a foum or on X 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,519 or nowhere to be found most of the time when 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,680 it comes actually calling in a show and discussing something. 28 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,840 It's been rough, but I am I'm bill for it. 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,879 I've been, you know, with this for two weeks now, 30 00:01:57,959 --> 00:01:59,959 thinking that when is this going to get better? When 31 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,120 when is this going to turn around? And starting to 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,040 feel very remote that that possibility is still in the cards. 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the third worst winning percentage in the NBA. 34 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:13,680 I'm convinced at this point they might lose a game 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,680 on a shot clock violation. Like they're finding ways to 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,240 just I don't even know if crumble is the right word, 37 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:29,000 shatter U unravel. Yeah, that's good. 38 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: Honestly, if you would have told me before the game, 39 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,240 like the because we put the over under at like eight, 40 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,400 I think something like that that they were going to 41 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:43,639 lose by oh yes, yeah, And I was like, oh, 42 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,360 if you know, if it was that close to a game, 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,400 I you know, from from a distance, I'd be like 44 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,639 that that doesn't seem so bad, like that's kind of 45 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,479 an encouraging loss. And then you see the way they 46 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,759 lost and there's absolutely nothing encouraging about it. 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,199 Speaker 1: Justin what do we think is contributing to this? 48 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: They're bad and bad teams find ways to lose games. 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: Isn't just as simple as that, Yeah, I how. 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,319 Speaker 3: To play basketball, though there's there's one hundred combined years 51 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:17,120 of NBA experience on the roster. 52 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: I just think that in the fourth quarters they get 53 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:22,479 worn down because their best players have to play a 54 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,240 lot of minutes to keep them in games, and they 55 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,319 get exhausted. And that's why the end of games just 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,439 looks terrible. I mean, their last three losses, they were 57 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:34,960 all tied late in the fourth. Yeah, and they lose 58 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:39,199 through some random acts that I mean the other team, 59 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:41,560 the teams that are beating them are just playing better 60 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:45,479 and they're better teams. So and you're on the road 61 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,639 and stands the reason you're not gonna win those games. 62 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:51,879 It's kind of funny because, like as Will said, like 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,759 if someone told you before the game you're losing by 64 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:57,800 two on the road to the Rockets, you're like, oh, okay. 65 00:03:57,919 --> 00:03:59,639 If someone told you you're losing by three on the 66 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:04,039 road to Minnesota Timberwolves, you're like, yeah, that's fine. But 67 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,639 then you see how it happens, and you're just like, well, this, 68 00:04:06,639 --> 00:04:09,560 this is actually worse than if it's like I wish 69 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:11,039 I didn't know that's how they lost. 70 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: Like, you know, I wish we'd just gotten blown out. 71 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:15,039 It'd be like, no, it wasn't even close. We had 72 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:16,800 no shot in that game. They had too much talent, 73 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,319 they were too young, too fast. 74 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,639 Speaker 2: I mean, they're what three and seventeen in their in 75 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:24,720 their last twenty games, which I mean, I know their 76 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,399 record is six and nineteen overall, but they were three 77 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:30,399 and two at one point. They weren't terrible, like they 78 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,759 they weren't playing great, but they weren't terrible, and you 79 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,040 look up and it's like Jesus, like, what's even? What's even? 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,800 I mean, I think in the fourth quarter against Houston, 81 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,120 the Rockets ran the same Kevin Durant Shngoon pick and 82 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:48,959 roll like four straight times, and I think they got 83 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,519 baskets or free throws on all of them, and you're 84 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,079 just like, at some point, you guys got to figure 85 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:56,519 out how to defend that, and it just didn't happen. 86 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,240 And that's a bad team thing. 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: Oh great, though, yeah, we talk about that. 88 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: I wish you had more shots the only one. 89 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:11,959 Speaker 4: I lost it a little bit postgame, somebody called in 90 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,079 and was like, you know, I get what you're saying. 91 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,240 Those three pointers by Kawhi and James Harden were a 92 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,199 little bit unnecessary, But then again, uh, who else did 93 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,519 they have out there to pass to? And I immediately 94 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,079 blurred out Sue Botts. Sue Botts was thirteen to fourteen 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,920 for the field. If somebody misses one shot, they probably 96 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,800 should be taking more than fourteen in a ball game. 97 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,040 I don't know, it just just feels like same old 98 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:40,439 store they forget about Zoo. 99 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: Missus sun shot is something that you do when you're 100 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,399 like three for four and you're a bench guy, you 101 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,480 know what I mean? Like it should like you shouldn't 102 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,680 have one misshot with fourteen attempts when your team is 103 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,399 playing like they were justin you brought up. Kind of 104 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,480 As the game goes, they get worse and the three 105 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,319 game the last three games, Kawhi's fourth quarters have been terrible. 106 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets worn out, he's tired. 107 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: Like y'all wanted the team to get off to quicker 108 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,360 starts last year, they did it. 109 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:11,199 Speaker 1: What's the problem they didn't do that yesterday? 110 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: No, I just think he's just genuinely getting worn down. 111 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,720 I mean, he's playing a lot of minutes. Was it 112 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:20,360 was it the Houston game he played like the fourth 113 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,040 most first half minutes of his of his Clippers tenure, 114 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,480 and the only other games he played more were at 115 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:30,519 the end of last season when they're trying to not 116 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,560 get not be a playing team, so. 117 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: Which killed them. 118 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 3: I think that he played twenty six minutes in that 119 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:36,920 first half because the red. 120 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: Card, right thereg the hell out here. 121 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what happened. 122 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:46,639 Speaker 2: No, I just think he gets worn down. And we've 123 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,959 seen it from everybody too, like James has been worn 124 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,879 down in second halfs oft times. It's happened to Kawhi, 125 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,040 you know, it's happened to Zoo a little bit at times. 126 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:59,680 It's just they just don't have the guys. They don't 127 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,600 have they that they need. Like I I know, we 128 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,319 can sit here and be like, oh, Bradley Bill wasn't 129 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:08,199 really helpful, but you're missing a guard and they're not 130 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,040 getting a back obviously for the rest of the season, 131 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:12,839 so it's gonna be a problem the whole time. Yeah, 132 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:17,480 just the most old team ever. If Lebron was here 133 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:20,439 with the sciatic with the sciatic injury, and that the 134 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,240 Bradley Buell broke it hip it'd be perfect. 135 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,959 Speaker 1: On the sciatica in the beginning. 136 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Of the year and idiots, look what you did. But 137 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,920 also like not having Derek, like that's a big deal, 138 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,279 that's another rotation guy. Yeah, and it's just taking a 139 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:39,920 toll because now the bench lineups. They had to bring 140 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,399 brook Lopez back into the fold because their bench lineups 141 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:49,079 weren't good, Like, weren't a yeah. So it's it's it's honestly, 142 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,040 it's like the self fulfilling prophecy over and over, like 143 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,120 you just it's like the cycle you can't get out of, 144 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,839 and you just got to hope your starters are good 145 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:57,639 enough to kind of weather the storm to get you 146 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,720 to where maybe the bench isn't killing you. And it's 147 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:02,079 just it's one of those things. 148 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,439 Speaker 4: I keep thinking, break the cycle, break the cycle. Come on, somehow, 149 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:09,480 break the cycle, get over the hump, win one of 150 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:13,079 these games. But in particular with last night's game, to me, 151 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:18,839 fatigue isn't enough of an excuse because they're a veteran group. 152 00:08:19,439 --> 00:08:22,800 Nobody's even coming to inbound the ball at the end 153 00:08:25,399 --> 00:08:31,079 that was embarrassing, and when I understand Kawhi is tired, 154 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,519 that's why he's sailing for threes. There's another option there 155 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:41,840 of Vista Zoobots is destroying worlds like but it's that 156 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,240 that habit that has been going on forever with this 157 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,960 team is crystallized. And even when a Visa Zoobots is 158 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:53,200 thirteen to fourteen, he's still ain't gonna get many touches. 159 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,840 He's still gonna he's gonna be treated like he's still 160 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,320 a rookie, like he's still a doc Rivers and getting 161 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,399 pulled out in the first round series again to Golden 162 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,480 State Warriors because the team. 163 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: Doesn't like easy solutions at them move on. 164 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:06,519 Speaker 1: Its difficult. 165 00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:09,759 Speaker 4: The easier piece to win is playing through a Visa 166 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Zoobots more, but they'll never do it. 167 00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: We have a super chat which we do acknowledge. If 168 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,879 they're appropriate, we will talk about them. Uh MB three 169 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:20,200 four oh one two is saying, can we take a 170 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,639 deep dive on Kui leadership. It's not gonna be deep. 171 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:25,159 I never subscribe that shit. But your best player not 172 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,279 being a leader doesn't work. 173 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:29,799 Speaker 3: I think looking at this Rocket's loss, it's clear like 174 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:32,679 one person isn't turning this around Like the level of 175 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,759 dysfunction and lack of communication, like that's you know, like 176 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:39,840 I don't think this is stemming down to any one person. 177 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:41,720 And maybe it is, you know, like Justin alluded to 178 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:44,720 it is just like fatigue and stuff that's like compiling 179 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,840 with some of this stuff. But this to me isn't 180 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,399 like they're not a locker room or huddle speech away 181 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,960 from this thing getting turned around. Uh, And like I 182 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:56,039 think that's like kind of the narrative we think about 183 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,840 with these players who are like lead quote unquote leaders 184 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,639 or whatever. But they had you know, a player who 185 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,320 is annoying but is regarded as a good quote unquote leader, 186 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,360 and it certainly didn't make anything any better. Of course, 187 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,600 he couldn't touch the floor, so that's a different conversation. 188 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,679 But like, I don't think that this is like a 189 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,519 single player needing to like get on guys situation. This 190 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,679 is like everybody should be so embarrassed at this point 191 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,919 that I don't know how you couldn't, Like I don't 192 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,679 know how you can. I don't know how you couldn't 193 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,279 be personally shamed enough into not playing better. Like I 194 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:34,200 just I don't I fully don't understand it. It makes 195 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,200 it worse that it's a group of veterans, like if 196 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,799 we were talking about a younger team and be like, oh, yeah, 197 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,039 it makes sense, like everybody's a dipshit. 198 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:46,399 Speaker 4: But uh, they didn't lose in twenty twenty one because 199 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:49,519 of leadership. They lost because Kawhi towards ACL It's an 200 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,879 oversimplification talking about, oh, we don't have a leader. It's 201 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:56,600 like no, like turns out you can win. It's about 202 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:57,039 the talent. 203 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:02,519 Speaker 1: And it's also clearly like Harden is very much the 204 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:06,559 guy who is it's not his team, but Harden is 205 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,919 brought up consistently by other guys as being kind of 206 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,840 the leader of stuff. Not that you know what I mean, Like, 207 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:14,320 it's not like this team is leader. Lists is the 208 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:17,799 other part, Like we're not floating around saying, oh, who's 209 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:21,200 you know bringing guys together. It's quite literally James Harden, 210 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:22,559 which is great. 211 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: And every night the leaders should change every night. 212 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: Why not you have the leader at now? 213 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: When they beat Atlanta, they had better leadership that game. No, 214 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,639 Atlanta was missing their two top guys and the Clippers played, well, 215 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:35,639 that's what it was. 216 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,799 Speaker 2: And I'd just say it like, I I know people 217 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:42,960 are gonna scoff, but these last four games, they generally 218 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:43,720 have looked good. 219 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 4: Yeah it's not like defensively. 220 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's not like they've been terrible. And I 221 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:52,559 understand some of that is being propped up by the 222 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:55,919 Atlanta game, but even the game, the three road games 223 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,639 in Memphis, Minnesota, and and last night they were fine. 224 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,480 They just blew it in the dumbest ways. 225 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: That's the issue. The issue is that it's not that 226 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:11,759 like they're not looking better. It's just that they're six 227 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:15,919 and nineteen, like like great, they're looking better and loss 228 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,559 Like I don't. I obviously want them to play good basketball, 229 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:23,519 but it's like there's just been so many losses already. 230 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 4: That like whatever loss process isn't good enough. 231 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:32,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, so dismal like lost before eight wins. Maybe I 232 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,279 never thought. 233 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: I never thought it would be possible. 234 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,919 Speaker 1: For it to be that bad. 235 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,759 Speaker 4: It's they're they're two and ten in clutch games now, 236 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:45,519 I mean they've lost eighty eight. Like you look at it. 237 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,440 A lot of their numbers say their records should be 238 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:50,679 better than this. A lot of the numbers with the 239 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:53,799 Lakers say their record should be worse than that, but 240 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,200 I'm saying, like to Justin's point, they they have looked 241 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,919 better than what their record is. Like the reason is 242 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,240 in those close games they're losing all the coin flips. 243 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,679 And I'm not I'm not just you know, reducing it 244 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:10,720 to a coin flip. It matters how you play down 245 00:13:10,759 --> 00:13:12,720 the stretch, and I do agree they've been getting tired, 246 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:14,679 like that's that's what you see. 247 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:22,879 Speaker 2: There's there's a statistic in soccer that's called XG, which 248 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,240 is expected goals and basically like it, it determines how many, 249 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:29,480 like on average, based on historical data, how many goals 250 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:32,480 you would score each game based on where like you 251 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,960 got your shots from and stuff, and teams outperform and 252 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:39,240 underperform that all the time in games. It kind of 253 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,720 feels like that's where the Clippers are. They're just underperforming 254 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,840 what they're underlying data is. But that doesn't matter because 255 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:51,480 they're six and nineteen and at a certain point the 256 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:53,960 data is the data, but you need the results that 257 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,720 kind of go over that, and they're just not getting 258 00:13:56,799 --> 00:13:59,879 it through a myriad of reasons. We can spend seven 259 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,120 days talking about like they're just when you're a bad team, 260 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:05,080 you just find ways to lose games, even if you 261 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:06,600 have good players. That's just the way it is. 262 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,639 Speaker 1: I let this comment from Chandasouk said or could have 263 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,720 had a fortuny record that is ruined. That is maybe 264 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:17,159 the worst part of the whole year is that that 265 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,639 somehow was realistic, which is difficult. Someone put a comment 266 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,759 about John Collins production, which I would say, I'm in 267 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,200 this weird camp where I don't want to see a 268 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,039 young guy traded away, maybe by ing jaded by the 269 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,039 fact that we have no youth really on the team. 270 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,759 But he's also been very has not been helpful very 271 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:42,000 much for the team so far, so it's like, I 272 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,840 think they should continue to give him a shot, but 273 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,320 it's been a little disappointing from the John Collins aspect. 274 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:51,159 He was better off the bench, which Tyler did get right. 275 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,039 I think we can all kind of agree on that, 276 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,840 but like I want him to be better and I 277 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,519 I just don't know, he's not rebounding. Even when we 278 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,679 get good offensive games from him, we still lose. So 279 00:15:04,679 --> 00:15:05,480 I guess it doesn't really. 280 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: Matter that much. 281 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,559 Speaker 1: But like, what's the key, right, Like, what's the key 282 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,240 to having John Collins more productive? 283 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: You were so close to just be like, what's the point. 284 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:18,919 Speaker 1: I was very close to that, Oh, like do do 285 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,279 we just keep him or are they going to train 286 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,240 him for DeMar de Rosen. 287 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,799 Speaker 2: I could see them flipping him for someone or keeping them. 288 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,159 I don't think it's I don't think they've actually decided 289 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,799 as of this second. I genuinely think that they. 290 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,879 Speaker 1: They're just very much games they need to be twelve 291 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,559 and whatever the hell. 292 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,879 Speaker 2: I think they very much just are trying to see 293 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,360 like what their team even looks like. I think we 294 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:49,879 kind of have like kind of under undervalued and it 295 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:51,639 doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things just because 296 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:54,039 of their record, but like we've kind of undervalued how 297 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,320 little they've had their team together, even if you just 298 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,120 take away the Bradley Beal aspect, like. 299 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: Of course, like they haven't been a huge issue. 300 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like last season at this point, I don't really 301 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:06,679 think they had any injuries outside of just the fact 302 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:09,759 that they just didn't have Kawhi, so like their team 303 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:12,879 was altogether the whole time. So this season, you go 304 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,440 into camp with Kawhi, he gets hurt like six literally 305 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:19,759 in the sixth game, and he's out for ten or 306 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:23,399 eleven games. But Bradley Beildn fractures his hip and he's out, 307 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,799 but before that he was in and out of the lineup. 308 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,240 And then while all that's happening, Bogie got hurt, and 309 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:33,960 then Derek got hurt, and it's just this, you know, 310 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:38,960 this non stop, just stream of injuries that have kind 311 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,320 of upset what your rotation should have been. And then 312 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,039 the Chris Paul thing happened where he's being dmped, and 313 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,600 then obviously now he's not with the team anymore. Yeah, 314 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:52,279 no one knows, ye, So it's just kind of all 315 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,720 that stuff. And I genuinely don't think they know what 316 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:56,480 their team is, so I don't know. 317 00:16:57,759 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 318 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they still don't know. And the sad reality 319 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:06,720 of the situation is the West playing, they're gonna have 320 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,759 a chance, Like they're gonna get a chance. I know, 321 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,960 I know they're gonna be close to that ten seed, 322 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,559 and that's gonna be the thing that could potentially quote 323 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,759 unquote save their season. And you end up looking at 324 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:22,720 the nine to ten Memphis is eleven and thirteen, which 325 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,000 sounds terrible, but then you realize they're five games better 326 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,759 than the Clippers, which is another sad thing. 327 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: To really it also sounds terrible. 328 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:32,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be they can beat them on Monday night. 329 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,319 Speaker 2: This ye yeah right, and you know what, they could 330 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:39,440 also lose and be's like seven games back. Yeah, that 331 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:40,039 could happen. 332 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 4: But if your best opportunity right now is to get 333 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:48,119 in the ninth or tenth spot, that also means a 334 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,160 first round matchup at best with Oklahoma City where you 335 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,279 are going to get swept or gentleman swept. If that is, 336 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,599 if that is your best case scenario, I think you 337 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,880 got to take a real look at shaking this thing up. 338 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: I could not agree more. Honestly, I don't. The only thing, well, 339 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:09,440 I should not say that one of the things that 340 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:12,720 can contribute to this to being one of the least 341 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,680 enjoyable seasons and quite some time for the Clippers would 342 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:22,319 be getting four oed with a minus one hundred and 343 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,519 seventy eight point differential against the OKC thunder. That would 344 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:31,119 be a god in a season of nightmares. That would 345 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,880 be the sleep paralysis demon. That would be the Clippers team. 346 00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 4: What some would say like that's the perfect ending or 347 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,519 poetic justice to this era. They end up getting beat 348 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,920 at the hands of their own trade with SGA killing 349 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:46,799 them in a series. 350 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,279 Speaker 1: This is so brutful. 351 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: It's like Victor Frankenstein getting the crap kicked out of 352 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,359 him by the Monster. 353 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: You know, they're on face versus. How many games do 354 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:57,880 we think they win? I guess, like, honestly, now that 355 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,359 we're twenty five games in, yeah, there's been probably some 356 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,119 I assume there's gonna be some kind of move made. 357 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,039 How many games do we think this team wins? Do 358 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,400 they are they going to track for this comment from 359 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,000 Jimmy Dot Williams for twenty and sixty two? Or do 360 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:14,279 they flirt with thirty three? 361 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: What a hilarious flirtation that is? 362 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: Well, that's where we're at, dude. Yeah, when it's one 363 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,119 thirty five at the bar, dude and we are flirting 364 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,440 with thirty three wins? 365 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,319 Speaker 3: What do you need wins to make the ten? See? 366 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: I guess the pen name, you're probably gonna need thirty five. 367 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:32,079 Let's just assume thirty five? 368 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:34,839 Speaker 1: Are they there? 369 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: And that might be on the conservative side based on 370 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:38,680 whatever happens with Memphis? 371 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, do you have an eighteen game parlay setup 372 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,799 where they go eighteen to zero in March? So let's 373 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:45,359 assume that that cash is out. 374 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: By the way, first team, first team in ten seasons 375 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:50,240 to play at least eighteen games in March. 376 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: I think they didn't do it last year. 377 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 4: They like they had seventeen. 378 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: Sixteen reference they had a reschedule one that I think 379 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,799 fucked them over in March. 380 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: The Clippers in Detroit this year will both play eighteen 381 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:07,000 games in March, the last team to do that. I 382 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,440 looked it up a couple of days ago because I'm stupid. 383 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:12,880 It's a it was. There was a season I want 384 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,839 to say, was it fifteen sixteen. I think it was 385 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:19,279 where the Clippers and Milwaukee Bucks both played eighteen games 386 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:20,039 as well in March. 387 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Well, we'll be the first team to go eighteen. 388 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: And a man, great and they could come close to like. 389 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,279 Speaker 1: Is it gonna be like twenty seven wins? 390 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,839 Speaker 2: I don't know if they get to thirty, Like you 391 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,680 gotta remember, there's fifty seven games left, so to get 392 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,519 the thirty, to get to thirty, to get to thirty, 393 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:46,359 they got to win twenty four of those fifty seven, 394 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,920 which I know sounds like, oh, well, then they're losing 395 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,480 thirty three, so it's it's not that bad. But they're 396 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:57,640 nowhere close to that pace right now, right. 397 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,599 Speaker 4: I I I would say if they kept this roster 398 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,599 of the west the rest of the way, they would, 399 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,079 But I don't think that's going to happen. Honestly. I 400 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,599 think we're going to I think we're gonna see moves. 401 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,519 Lawrence Frank said it justin you were there. He said, 402 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,640 if this roster isn't as good as I thought I 403 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:19,079 was going to be, then will be extremely aggressive or 404 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,799 something to that effect. Well, he always makes night they're 405 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:23,599 six and nineteen. 406 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:25,319 Speaker 1: He does always make trades. 407 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:28,319 Speaker 2: That is that is true. I don't want to shake up. 408 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: Will probably get something Laurences. 409 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 4: But the question is he hasn't been in this position 410 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,079 before where there's a real opportunity here to punt on 411 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:37,720 this season. 412 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: This is actually the best take of the whole year. 413 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,960 The Clippers should have kept Ben Simmons. 414 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,799 Speaker 3: He was badly used last season. 415 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,759 Speaker 4: I mean used this. 416 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: It's finally valid. All right, Sorry, I've never used that yet. 417 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:57,880 Go ahead at him. 418 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: No, I mean he's cooking right now. He is really 419 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,079 dominating for Okay, good luck to Ben Simmons and getting 420 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:09,640 healthy and getting back into the league. I just this 421 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,799 is uncharted territory for the Clippers in this era. 422 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, quite literally the last fifteen years. It's their worst start. 423 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: So I don't know how to predict how Lawrence Frank 424 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,759 is going to handle this. Is he going to be aggressive? 425 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,359 A shakeup could mean you're just making lateral moves like 426 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,440 you mentioned maybe trading somebody for Demato Rosen. Trading John Collins? 427 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:33,119 Does that make better chemistry with this team or is 428 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,119 it more of a tear down and look towards the 429 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,480 future if. 430 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,839 Speaker 1: They get rid of athleticism. 431 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: What athleticism that's true? I guess athleticism is there to 432 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:42,880 get rid of. 433 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: Well Collins. There's only one guy, and it's John Collins, 434 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,759 and he's the only team So if we get rid 435 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,319 of him, who is running down the court faster than 436 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,720 anyone else on the other team. 437 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,079 Speaker 4: He's had had some nice plays that have been really 438 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,000 encouraging the last couple of weeks he has, but then 439 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:07,279 he also has games that remind you that you know, 440 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,079 this trade didn't work out the way we thought it 441 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:09,480 was going to. 442 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,599 Speaker 1: He doesn't grab boards. It's someone like if Brooke Lopez 443 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,119 is on the floor and Collins is on the floor, 444 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,319 people don't grab rebounds. 445 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:21,279 Speaker 2: The rebounding thing is like the biggest problem. And it's 446 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,759 not like specifically just him, because it's a it's an 447 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,839 entire team wide issue this year. But man, it's it 448 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,759 sounds kind of sad to say it's caused me to 449 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:36,920 reevaluate how I look at players and bad teams and 450 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:38,000 bad situations. 451 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, this season has caused me to reevaluate a lot. 452 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,279 Speaker 4: But like. 453 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: I had talked to people who cover the Utah Jazz 454 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,119 and they told me, like, he had a great year 455 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,519 last year, and he did, He genuinely had a very 456 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:54,160 good year last year. And they said, how great of 457 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,039 a person he is? Great, he is a great person. 458 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,759 I'm not going this isn't anything against John Collins the person. 459 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,240 I just don't know. 460 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,319 Speaker 1: None of this is against the players. 461 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't know, I don't know what has 462 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,240 happened to where maybe maybe it's because he can't be 463 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,680 a number four, like that could be a real thing. 464 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,039 Like he just he fades in and out of like 465 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,160 what his responsibilities are because he's not as engaged and stuff, 466 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:19,759 which that does tend to happen to guys. We've seen 467 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:20,200 that happen to. 468 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: Guys, like moving down to like when he was the 469 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:26,160 sixth man, basically he was effective. 470 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a he had a bigger share of 471 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,960 what an offensive workload would be. And now he's kind 472 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000 of just It's not that they don't look for him enough. 473 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,319 I just don't think he's putting himself in the right 474 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,759 spots all the time. You could see he still trying 475 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:45,279 to learn how to play with guys, Like he's trying 476 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,039 to figure out where to be with Zoo on the floor, 477 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:48,759 He's trying to figure out where to be with Kawhi 478 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:53,160 because him and Kawhi tend to weirdly occupy some of 479 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,920 the same spots in the half court, where like John 480 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,920 wants to be near the elbow, and it's like, that's fine, 481 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,680 but that's not you. And I wish he'd just stopped 482 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,160 shooting mid range shots in general, but that's not gonna happen. 483 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:09,279 But yeah, it's it's a team wide epidemic. But I 484 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,400 look at John, it's just like, I don't know, is 485 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,119 it just a bad year? Certainly possible, But also it's 486 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,519 caused me to reevaluate how I look at guys who 487 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,680 are on bad teams but are performing well. When you 488 00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:26,640 try to scale them to a role on a new 489 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,359 team that isn't the same one that they had on 490 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,200 the old team, Like he was the number one, number 491 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000 two guy sometimes, like because Lori Marknham was in and 492 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:38,880 out of the lineup. So things look better when you're 493 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,400 getting eighteen shots a night compared to like ten. 494 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's He's also on the most talented team he's 495 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:50,400 been on. I know he went to the Eastern Conference 496 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,880 Finals thanks to Kevin Herder cooking Philly in Game seven 497 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,400 and Ben Simmons not taking a shot. But he talked 498 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,440 about the expectations and accountability coming into this eason a 499 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,599 lot with you guys justin and like being held to 500 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,599 a higher standard and stuff. And his processing has just 501 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,559 looked slow for this Clippers team so far. And it 502 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,400 could just be adjusting to a new team, or it 503 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:13,400 could be a bad fit. 504 00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. 505 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: Has the pace kept up, Remember we talked about that, 506 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,359 Like we assumed the pace was going to slow down 507 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,960 to the league as a. 508 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 4: Whole, it has. Okay, there's only one team now above 509 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:25,519 one O three I think. 510 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: All right, so that's worse than never mind, let's strike 511 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:29,640 that from the record that. 512 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 3: He was brought into play you know. 513 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's been had, he's been thrown into a 514 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,839 starting lineup that he wasn't going to be a part 515 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,359 of initially. 516 00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,799 Speaker 1: And the missing other guy, like, yeah. 517 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 4: Hold on, we heard everybody wanted him because you needed 518 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,640 somebody for Aaron Gordon, you need somebody for these bigger 519 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,960 power forwards. He did not guard Aaron Gordon well, he 520 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:02,319 did not guard Julie is Randall well recently at all. 521 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,440 It is not a strength of his, Like the idea 522 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,839 of John Collins is not matching on the court reality 523 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,799 of John Collins against some of these fours. 524 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: I also kind of think this is just reinforced to 525 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,559 the front office and the team that their best way 526 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,200 forward is Kawhi Leonard at the four. I generally think 527 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,119 that's what they've What they've actually kind of just realized is, hey, 528 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,720 he was at the four for all this time and 529 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,279 we were great. Now we tried to put him at 530 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,839 the three and through all these other reasons. Not just that, 531 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,640 but like, we're this isn't going how we thought, and 532 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,359 somehow we're worse rebounding the ball when last year we 533 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,200 were the best defensive rebounding team in the league, and 534 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,119 now we just can't rebound. We're getting pushed around on 535 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,119 the interior all night. 536 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: Anyways, they're not boxing out. They were just trying to 537 00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:55,839 jump with Houston yesterday. 538 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: Which is also a very tired thing. That their tired 539 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,440 thing that teams is like when you're tired, you don't 540 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,920 box out anymore. You want to you don't want to 541 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,160 hit people, so you just jump for the ball. You're 542 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,960 not out jumping Houston. Okay, like it. 543 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: What do you think their second jump is compared to 544 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,960 like everyone on the Clippers second jump. 545 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,519 Speaker 2: I saw the I saw the chat guy saying he 546 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,559 shouldn't dribble every again. No, he should not, he should not. 547 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,960 I don't mean to sound rude. It's I don't think 548 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,759 it's worked out one time, and if it has, I 549 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,400 don't remember it. But like, just don't dribble. 550 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: I I will say, you mentioned them jumping for that 551 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,480 rebound late and then the and one from Amen Thompson 552 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:43,160 was usually one of the big deciding factors in the game. 553 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,680 The effort has been there over the last few weeks. 554 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,799 Like I, for the most part, I have had zero 555 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:55,079 with the effort maybe so I mean right right, they're 556 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,759 playing hard. That's that's the downside to it, so everybody's 557 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:00,640 getting on Then Wyley looks so bad late in the 558 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,119 game because they're gassed because they're still playing hard out 559 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,240 there except for one play and that was at the 560 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880 very end and they didn't have a timeout, and that 561 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,839 was just embarrassing in the low point of the season 562 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,559 on the court to me, and that that was like 563 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,839 Nikopa Toom having to run over there while James Harden 564 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680 and Kawhi Leonard are near half court like they think 565 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,680 there's one second left instead of eight seconds left. And yes, 566 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,799 I know they were going to foul intentionally up by three, 567 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,839 but you have to see that through and extend the game. 568 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: That was just, well, what's been your low point? Was yesterday? 569 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,480 Your low point? 570 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: That's gotta be up there. 571 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, both, that's really bad. I think the thirty to 572 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,680 whatever run was maybe mine. 573 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just you, that was my That was Miami. 574 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:58,759 Speaker 1: Yes, you don't see that a lot, not enough, honestly, 575 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,559 I hope, yeah, I to see it again. 576 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,839 Speaker 3: But I'm good on the John Collins experiment though, Like 577 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,960 if we traded him, I'm not. I'm not losing any sleep. 578 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: I'd actually like that's what's difficult. 579 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,359 Speaker 3: If we were fully healthy and he wasn't that like 580 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:13,519 and he was in that sort of like backup for 581 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:17,279 small ball backup kind of all like, I think that 582 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,240 kind of makes sense. I was never as sold on 583 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,240 the John Collins idea that so many Clippers fans were 584 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:23,519 like chomping on the bid at. 585 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 4: I didn't really like, you won't find an now they 586 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,599 don't exist. That never happened. They weren't talking about him 587 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:30,039 for years. 588 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,119 Speaker 2: For years. It's very funny to think they all wanted 589 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,799 Norm traded for John Collins, and that's exactly what happened, 590 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,119 and it just hasn't worked out. Not to say that's 591 00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:40,839 the only problem with the team. I know, I keep 592 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,960 saying that, but like sometimes the devil, you know, you know, 593 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,759 you just stick with the one, you know. 594 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,839 Speaker 4: They were people were killing Norm after the playoff series 595 00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:53,400 against Denver and it's like, there's a bigger picture here, 596 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:56,599 and they still won fifty games and the regular season 597 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,400 still matters, and you can't just totally discount that because 598 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,920 a guy has a bet playoffs series. 599 00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: The low point to me this year, right, if they 600 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,359 won fifty this year would be the most impressive feet 601 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:06,920 in sports. 602 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: They would make a out of it and it would 603 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,839 be like angels in the outfield and like it would be. 604 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: They have to go what forty four and forty forty 605 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,480 four and seventeen? 606 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: The rest of the way doable mathematically. 607 00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: It's it's like that. It's like called the the whiteboard 608 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,960 that team's put up, like for the motivation, why not 609 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,759 US forty four? Why about us? 610 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: They're like what the fuck? 611 00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:38,759 Speaker 2: The low point for me was the Dallas game, m 612 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,119 Like from an actual like oh no, it's just over, 613 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,799 Like just being there for that was a It was 614 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,279 because of how it happened to It was of all 615 00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,440 the guys to let go off. It's the one guy 616 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,359 that you've played against more than anybody and you know what. 617 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:58,799 Speaker 4: He can do. 618 00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: And veterans were messing up the coverages and it was 619 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,000 just like, oh yeah, no, you're just it's like you're 620 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,599 just you're just not there. Like and then obviously the 621 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,160 Miami like getting pasted in Miami late in the second 622 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,759 quarter and into the third was a thing. But they've 623 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,480 actually rebounded from that very well. It just hasn't mattered. 624 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,039 Speaker 1: So that's the thing. I'm like, just the results have 625 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,039 been difficult. I do wanna the lost. 626 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: Played awesome the last four games, guys, real talk hang 627 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:28,720 your hat on. 628 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,839 Speaker 1: That I do want to talk about because of the 629 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,559 Houston thing. It was kind of a thing on Twitter, 630 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:41,759 the media availability stuff, which seemed weird. Uh justin you 631 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,160 reached out to ask the Clippers, like what happened, they 632 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000 told you that they just like there wasn't anyone there. 633 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,559 And then Houston reporter Kelly Ico, who is a very 634 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,799 good legit reporter, said that there were people there and 635 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,480 people are ready to transcribe. It's weird. And I also 636 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,480 think Lobbery was talking about this and Miriam Swanson what 637 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,119 the like how hard it is to be independent media, 638 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,519 Like you can't go to Houston for this game, Like 639 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,480 it just that's not how this shit works. So like 640 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,920 beat guys can't really go to it. Do we think 641 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,079 that were there people there? Did they just not want 642 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,839 to have it? Was Tyler just like not wanting to 643 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,480 talk to the media. What do we think happened? 644 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: So when Kelly tweeted that, I was immediately like, as 645 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,000 a media member, I'm concerned because that's like, of course 646 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,359 it's a big story. If they flat out declined to 647 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,119 do media like, that's a big deal to me. I 648 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,319 would never I've had that happen in a post game 649 00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,839 with a player, and I was like, like, okay, but like, 650 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880 you never see that out of coaches really, right anymore? 651 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,400 So I was like, oh shit, like and especially out 652 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,480 of Tie. I don't think Ties ever declined to do media. 653 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,200 I think I've I racked my brain last night trying 654 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,640 to think about it. I couldn't recall a single time 655 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,480 he's declined to do media. 656 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 3: If he had diarrhea, he was simply sick to his 657 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,799 stomach from how poorly the team has been playing. 658 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,559 Speaker 1: You understanding no one, no one brought that up. 659 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: So you should have to release a statement. If you 660 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,119 have diarrhea. You can just say, oh, we thought nobody 661 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:13,039 was there, that's our bad. 662 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,639 Speaker 1: No, you should release the statement because everyone's like, oh shit, okay, 663 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,599 all right, okay. 664 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: So I reached out. So I reached out just to 665 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,199 find out. And I was told that by the time 666 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,719 Tie had made his way into the room, no one 667 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,440 was in there, and that was kind of the gist 668 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:33,559 of it. And I was told like, because James Harden 669 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,880 did a post game last night in the locker room, right, 670 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,719 So I was I was kind of like Okay, so 671 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,480 James did it, but not tie, but like you know, 672 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,920 all right, so and then Kelly says obviously, well no, 673 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:48,239 there were people in the room. What what I will say, 674 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,320 that's a great comment, by the way. 675 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: That would have worked. No one would care. Sorry, absolutely right. 676 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: So what I will say is, and into a dome 677 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,639 this year for people who don't know where media sit, 678 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,800 We're on the third level and the pressroom is on 679 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,440 level one. I don't know what it is in Houston, 680 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,239 but I'm just giving that for the clarification of what 681 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,000 has happened sometimes this year. Into it is after a 682 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,760 Clipper game, which has been losses for the most part. 683 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,400 What has taken place is Tye has gone very quickly 684 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,840 to do postgame. Got it from the time There was 685 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,519 one instance that from the time I made it from 686 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,519 level three down to level one, and I went down 687 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,760 through the ball section, not through the elevator, which can 688 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,239 take longer. I went down through the ball section. Took 689 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,880 me about ninety seconds after the final buzzer. Ty was 690 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,440 already in there talking, oh shit. So I don't know 691 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,599 how quickly, like I said, I wasn't there in Houston. 692 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,519 I don't know how quickly he made it from final 693 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:55,000 buzzer to into the room, saw and according to their messaging, 694 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,360 saw no one was in there, and it was just 695 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,239 like all right, like I can go. So I don't 696 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,639 know the logistics of the time. 697 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 4: I'm ad this. It's not the first post game recently 698 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,679 on the road that he hasn't done anything because there 699 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,639 hasn't been media there. 700 00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 2: Correct. The last time he did media was December third 701 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,079 in Atlanta, and that's been it. That's the last time 702 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,719 he spoke to any media member on the record for anything. 703 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,440 Not to say he's been ducking the media, it's just 704 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:26,480 that's just the way it is. 705 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: Because Chris Finch talked about it. 706 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 2: There hasn't been traveling media to quite a few of 707 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,480 these road games. It just is what it is. And 708 00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,440 so if there's no media there, for the most part, 709 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,239 coaches will not talk. At least Ty hasn't talked. I 710 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,360 don't know the logistics for every other team in the league, obviously. 711 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,159 I'm just saying, like, I think both things could be true, 712 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,880 and I won't know until I talk to more people. 713 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,119 Both things could be true. Ty could have went in 714 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,639 there right after the final buzzer. No one was in there, 715 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,679 they just left and people could have went in there 716 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,840 and waited for him and he just didn't show up, 717 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,719 just because of the timing the aspect of everything. I'm 718 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,400 not saying that's what happened. I don't know I happened. 719 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,159 I'm just giving plausible scenarios, So I don't know. It's 720 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,280 a it's an interesting situation. Like I said, as a 721 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,079 media member, it made me wonder, like what the hell 722 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:21,519 is going on? 723 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 4: Like what justin you said by the time Ty got there, 724 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,599 they were gone. It made me wonder because the media 725 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:34,559 member that responded to you on Twitter said they went 726 00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:38,440 there immediately after. Isn't it possible they got there so 727 00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,960 quickly Coach lud took some time and by the time 728 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,639 he got there, they had already left, assuming he wasn't coming. 729 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,199 Speaker 2: I guess it's possible. Kelly did say that they were 730 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,960 told he's not talking, so I don't. 731 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: That's the weird That's the part where I'm like, what 732 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:53,360 the he But see. 733 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not there, so I don't know where 734 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,639 that conversation took place. I'm not, like I said, I'm 735 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,199 not refuting what Kelly said he was there. I'm saying 736 00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,639 what I was told and then trying to I guess understand. 737 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,199 I'm yeah, I'm trying to understand, like what the situation was. 738 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,360 Now at the end of the day, it's not the 739 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,440 end of the world, but it is a concerning situation 740 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:18,280 where it was relayed as one thing and it entirely 741 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,679 could have been that. And then I'm and then I 742 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,000 asked for clarification, get another thing. So I'm trying to, like, 743 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,320 I'm demented in the head, so I'm trying to like 744 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,559 build how this is at all possible on both sides 745 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,760 to where they're both accurate and true, because you know, 746 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,119 there's there's one side, there's the other side, and somewhere 747 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:39,840 in the middle there's probably the truth, and I don't 748 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,960 know what actually happened. 749 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, it plays into just the it's a shit season. 750 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,280 The hell is going on this season. 751 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:50,599 Speaker 2: It's a shit season and a shit situation. And then 752 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,079 it just all comes together on one night and on 753 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:59,599 one balmy Thursday evening in Houston, Texas talking about this season. 754 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the h the Grizzlies Monday nighted into it. 755 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,199 The Grizzlies will have job Morant back, which helps the Clippers. 756 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be so sure anymore. 757 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:21,599 Speaker 1: I am so intrigued as what the fan specifically the 758 00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:26,920 wall and the swell vibes are going to be on Monday. Adam, 759 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,840 what do you think the vibe is going to be 760 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,800 an into it on Monday against the Grizzlies. 761 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 4: I've been saying for a bit they've probably been fortunate 762 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,400 to be out there on the road because the fan 763 00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,000 base has been so upset. From what I've been hearing 764 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:43,119 postgame all the time. I wonder you get smoked at home. 765 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,760 You lose games the way they've been losing them at home, 766 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,960 the fan base, you're probably gonna hear some booze these 767 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,679 you're paying customers. They're upset right now. They want to 768 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,800 winning product. They thought they were gonna be much better 769 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,880 than this, so it's a difficult situation. My hope is 770 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,400 is that they're actually gonna help elevate this Clippers team 771 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,719 out there and give them a boost. 772 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 3: I have many gripes with this team, but you gotta 773 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,880 a little bit feel. You gotta a little bit feel 774 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,599 for the ticket reps right now, because I'm seeing some 775 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,239 screenshots that they try to get people who have been 776 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,840 long term season ticket holders people who have bought VIP packages, 777 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,320 certainly for this season and since into a dome to 778 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,480 renew right now. 779 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 2: And oh my. 780 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,079 Speaker 3: God, I cannot think of something I would much less 781 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,400 rather do than spend a bunch of money ahead of 782 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,760 time to commit to forty two games of this in 783 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,679 another season. 784 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,559 Speaker 2: Can I just say, I think being a ticket rep 785 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,079 with this team this season might be the toughest job 786 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,239 in America. 787 00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: I think most seasons, because guys get hurt all the time. 788 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,840 People are always talking about like they're raising our prices. 789 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,920 I don't know if guys are gonna play, And that's the. 790 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,159 Speaker 4: Thing that. 791 00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 3: Up every single year. And what I understand considerably with 792 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,760 the move, Dame, I guess makes sense it's a new 793 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,519 stadium or whatever. But uh, oh, buddy, talk about to 794 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,840 talk about a bunch of flak you you don't deserve 795 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,840 for doing your job. 796 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:13,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just hope fans are not being 797 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,960 mean to the ticket reps who were just tried to 798 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,119 do a job that is. Yeah, like it's I mean, 799 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:21,559 Adam said, fans might boo. 800 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,559 Speaker 1: They're gonna. 801 00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:29,199 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, if they're getting smoked by the Lakers, 802 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,159 like next week at home, that happens at sporting events. 803 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,679 Speaker 2: No, what I was gonna snow. What I was gonna 804 00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:41,280 say though, is like I'm kind of surprised they haven't yet, like. 805 00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: Like Adam said, they haven't. It's the worst of the 806 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,559 season has they've been gone. 807 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 4: Sure, but there. 808 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,599 Speaker 2: Weren't even really booze after the Memphis and Dallas games, 809 00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,039 like even during that when they were blowing those games, like. 810 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 4: But it wasn't a blowout as the thing. Like I 811 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,280 think there's a difference. 812 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I also just think that like I don't know, 813 00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:08,679 I I've seen so much happen like overseas in Europe 814 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,639 with like soccer teams and like the way that fans 815 00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:15,079 are like on teams and front offices and ownership. 816 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: Good healthy relationships like yeah yeah, the support they're ultras. 817 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 2: So like it's funny. I don't know. I kind of 818 00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,960 if you're a fan, be vocal if it's like it's 819 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,880 your money you're spending, and I feel like you should 820 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,000 be vocal about that. And this is also just another 821 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,920 thing I have lately where it's like I saw the 822 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,440 World Cup ticket prices and I nearly had I nearly 823 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:42,360 had an aneurysm. 824 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:48,519 Speaker 1: That's actually real quick, dude. Yeah, they've also like you 825 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,559 have to pay like a fee to reserve the chance 826 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,920 to buy a ticket. There's no limit on the resales 827 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,800 for World Cup tickets. There used to be a limit 828 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,000 that you could only sell them for X amount over. 829 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,960 They removed all that. Anyway, it's insane and it's uh 830 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,400 demand based pricing too, so it's like a goddamn nightmare. 831 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,079 So the cheap seats are actually really expensive because so 832 00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:11,119 many other people want them. 833 00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 2: They raised the ticket prices after the draw happened, which 834 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,840 I understand. I understand that happens. It happens with march 835 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,760 madness all the time. Is another thing, the same. 836 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 1: Thing with like, yeah, it doesn't mean it's not fucked up, but. 837 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no it is. But that's that's my point though, 838 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,440 is like it's it's ridiculous, like you're taking advantage of people. 839 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:36,800 And I kind of feel like fans can make their 840 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,360 voices heard in very unique ways. And one of them, 841 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,039 obviously is you go to a game and you just boo. 842 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,800 The other thing I've seen fans do is not do anything. 843 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,679 I've seen fans who go to a game and in 844 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,239 protests won't oh yeah, we'll make no noise and that's 845 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440 actually like an eerie protest of sort of terrifying. Yeah, 846 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,440 and it like it does send a message, lou because 847 00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,320 like having no emotion is quite jarring to in person. 848 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 4: But then didn't the Suns talk about that last year 849 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,360 with Devin Booker. They're fans. Yeah, it's just appathy. 850 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: They six minutes of silence for the six wins that 851 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,920 we have, So no chanting from the wall for six minutes. 852 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,000 The other things that are the game. 853 00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 2: That would actually be crazy. I mean in Europe, there 854 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,039 was a protest this past weekend, uh for Wolves Wolverhampton 855 00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,440 Wanders in the English Premier League. They're in the midst 856 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,480 of basically the worst well just just hear me after 857 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,679 they're in the midst of literally the worst Premier League 858 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,039 season by any team in history. Okay, like through through 859 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,119 I think it's like through the first fifteen games they 860 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:44,719 have two points. It's absolutely like they're they're terrible. It's 861 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,480 it's worse. Okay, it's like the Wizards, but worse somehow. 862 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,360 But what's it. What's ended up happening was the fans 863 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,480 in a protest. There was I think thousands of fans 864 00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:58,079 who didn't show up into the stadium until like fifteen 865 00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,719 minutes into the game. Oh wow, Yeah, so like half 866 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,760 the stadium is empty and then fans fifteen minutes in 867 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,679 just came in. And it's like, it's that still sends 868 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,320 a message. But the other thing I was gonna say 869 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,079 is like, don't spend money on a product that isn't 870 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,079 delivering to the level you want it to. It's the 871 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,599 main thing. I'm an Angels fan, but it's my number 872 00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,880 one It's my number one gribe with Angels fans. Yeah, 873 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,519 Jesus christ Man, I know it's rough, buddy, but. 874 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,559 Speaker 1: That's the hardest fano amount of all four of us, 875 00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:32,519 I think of all of the sports that we like. 876 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 2: That's what I told people. My number one thing with 877 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,440 the Angels has been why are fans still spending money 878 00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:40,800 on a product that A doesn't care about you to 879 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,000 put out a winner and B that's that it's nice, 880 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,519 Hell yeah, But why are you spending money on a 881 00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,119 product that it isn't giving you anything? And it's very 882 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,880 terrible and just isn't valuing your relationship with the team. 883 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,639 So I'm telling fans, I'm not saying fans they have 884 00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,280 to boy, coy. I'm just saying if, of course, if 885 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,599 like just just speak up or don't show up, like 886 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,559 like those those are the options. Like at the end 887 00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:10,800 of the day, like if you want to see any change, 888 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,480 make it happen, it's gonna be on them because fans, 889 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,159 at the end of the day, hold the voting with 890 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,360 your dolly. 891 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:23,039 Speaker 4: I would like to uh set apart Steve Balmer from 892 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:29,159 Artie Marino, who is cheap. The Angels have been run 893 00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:35,719 extremely poorly for fifteen years now. While the Clippers have 894 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,400 been winning, they haven't won the highest level. And he 895 00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:41,079 beat the built them a new stadium, and he very 896 00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:42,360 much cares about the fans. 897 00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 2: Correct. 898 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,159 Speaker 4: My fans have a right to be able to boo 899 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,760 and voice their displeasure. But I hope they try to 900 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,719 give them a lift, give them a lift. They're turning home. 901 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,639 Let's try to turn this thing around to get a 902 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:54,960 win over Memphis Monday night. 903 00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,039 Speaker 1: And they're trying to games right. Like we said, if 904 00:46:58,039 --> 00:46:58,360 they were. 905 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,159 Speaker 4: Giving no effort, right, if it would be one thing, 906 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,760 if they were dogging it and giving no effort. They're 907 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,800 losing late. They can't get over the hump late. It 908 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,440 feels like a mental block right now. 909 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do agree. By the way, I'm not sitting 910 00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,480 here and saying like from the opening tip just bash 911 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,159 the team like they are trying and you should try 912 00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,920 to uplift your team. I'm just saying like, at the 913 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,119 end of the at the end of the day, fans 914 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,440 do have a voice, and I am urging just fans, 915 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,559 you do matter, and just try to make your voice 916 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:31,840 hurt if nothing is changing. 917 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,519 Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, don't send us sixteam failed trade 918 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,360 machine screenshots, go to the game, or don't go to 919 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,159 the game and boo or don't like I think tell 920 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:43,719 tell the. 921 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,159 Speaker 1: Team will What do you think the over under is 922 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,559 on confiscated signs for the home game against the Grizzlies. 923 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 3: I think that people. I'm actually kind of on board 924 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,320 with Adam's thing, like they have been on the road 925 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,679 for a long time. Oh I hope that, but I'm 926 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,920 hoping that there's a positive that there's a positive reception 927 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,280 and it yields to a better result. But I do 928 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,000 think that, Yeah, like, if if fans want to be heard, 929 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,960 that's the that's the place to do it. 930 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: Nine and a half is my guess. I think they're 931 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,480 gonna have to confiscate. 932 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 3: At least one half of the sign. 933 00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:17,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, one half of a sign. 934 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,199 Speaker 2: They have not won a home game since Halloween. Do 935 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,639 you know how long ago that was? 936 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 3: Like, well, they only want two games in the month 937 00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:27,960 of November, didn't they? 938 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,519 Speaker 2: Yes, But I'm just saying they about what at home 939 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,280 since Halloween? 940 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:39,639 Speaker 1: Great Halloween Dodgers one was a great Halloween. What do 941 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,039 we think of the MPG rumors? I don't want his 942 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,880 I don't want his podcast on this team, and he's 943 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,800 hurt all the time. 944 00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,559 Speaker 3: Adam your silence? 945 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 4: What are what are they giving up? I don't know 946 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,679 his current contract situation, isn't it somebody in year earlier 947 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,199 in the chat, I think that Mexican Nara was like, oh, 948 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,480 Adams finally on board with the shake of I think 949 00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:09,800 I said two weeks ago, if you're willing to trade guys, 950 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,039 I'm fine with that, as long as you're not bringing 951 00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:16,320 back bad contracts. You have to listen one one expiring 952 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,400 contract for another something. If they're gonna make a move, 953 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,400 do not limit yourself in the future from that plan. 954 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,880 Ultimately in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven to 955 00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:29,320 have more room. 956 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,639 Speaker 1: And I think that that's the like we're not saying 957 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,119 stan Pat MPJ is at thirty eight million this year, 958 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,920 call that forty point eight next year, and then an 959 00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,320 unrestricted free agent in twenty seven to twenty eight, when 960 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,079 he will be twenty nine years old. 961 00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 4: And her he checked my criteria, then he's a free 962 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,880 agent in twenty twenty seven. If you're just if you're 963 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,960 just trading out guys that would be free agents in 964 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,880 twenty twenty seven for more guys that will be free 965 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,480 agents in twenty twenty seven, to try to shake things up, 966 00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:01,719 to try to try something different, I'm okay with that. 967 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,039 Speaker 3: And he seems like a high IQ guy. 968 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think of all the content he'd be 969 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,480 able to produce in Los Angeles, which is yeah, we need, yeah, 970 00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,440 we need. You know, what the team needs is actually 971 00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:20,760 really big distractions off the court. Other than the Aspiration scandal, 972 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,519 which Adam, I think it was a week or so ago. 973 00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:27,800 Time has moved very interesting for Clippers fans. But you 974 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,800 kind of mentioned like, do we think the Aspiration deal 975 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,559 is like making is weighing on them at all? And 976 00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:36,840 I don't. I is sah No, you asked, Oh, you 977 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,800 asked if it would make Kawhi harder to trade. 978 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, does it do? 979 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: We think it does. Justin For those of you listening 980 00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:50,800 to this later, Justin is silently nodding in a gray hoodie. 981 00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I talk with someone when they were 982 00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:01,639 home recently. There's like a murky about whether or not 983 00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,920 he can be traded because of the investigations. 984 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: Because it's so not because people think that he's guilty 985 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:11,639 or whatever the Clippers, just because of what is happening, 986 00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:13,239 because you don't know what's going to happen. 987 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,679 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, it's it's sort of like the Terry Rogier situation, 988 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,880 where like there's a murkiness. No, I'm just saying though 989 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,199 from like a trade aspect, where like there's murkiness about 990 00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:25,320 whether Rogier can even be traded. 991 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 992 00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 2: So, And granted it's further down the line as far 993 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,519 as he's concerned in terms of what has happened, but 994 00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,000 there's still like a general thought from who I talk 995 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,400 to that even the league is like, uh, we'll cross 996 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,000 that bridge when we get there. And because like nobody knows, 997 00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,360 so I don't know, truth be told, I don't think 998 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,960 Kawhi is getting traded, not because of the investigation. I 999 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,000 just think that they'll go to him and they'll let 1000 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,239 him know, like, hey, it's whatever you decide. I think 1001 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,800 he wants to I think he still wants to be. 1002 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,159 Speaker 1: Here, and his value is really weird to calculate. 1003 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've said for a long time they're 1004 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,039 not going to blindside him because of what happened with Blake. 1005 00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,280 They're not going to go down that road again. He's 1006 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,679 going to have to agree upon this just Yeah, I 1007 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,519 wouldn't think. But Okay. My question though, then, is like 1008 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:22,400 if you can't, if you can't trade Kawhi, can you 1009 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:26,280 also then just not have a teardown, because what you're 1010 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,519 gonna trade everybody but Kawhi and just have him with 1011 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,280 a bunch of young guys. Is that realistic? 1012 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:30,639 Speaker 2: You think? 1013 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,079 Speaker 1: Damn, that's a good point. 1014 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:39,199 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any pathway for them that is 1015 00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:44,679 super clean. I think it's fair. I think you kind 1016 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,880 of just play it. 1017 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,800 Speaker 4: Hello Bucks looking clean in twenty twenty seven, though, justin 1018 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,639 look at real clean. 1019 00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 1: Sure they have a wait, there is a hellscape currently 1020 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,000 right now between us and twenty twenty seven. It feels 1021 00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,920 like when you say twenty twenty seven, the way the 1022 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,559 season's going it feels like I'm in nineteen ninety two 1023 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,719 and I'm like, that is so far away. I'm not 1024 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,000 that's a fake year. Man. 1025 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the John Mlaney bit when he 1026 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,679 talks about, uh, the yeah, twenty thirty, that's not a 1027 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,280 real year. 1028 00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1029 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:20,639 Speaker 2: So yeah, I genuinely think they're gonna play it by 1030 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,000 years and take it as it comes, because hypothetically, I'm 1031 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:28,840 not reporting anything obviously, I'm just saying, like, if if 1032 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,280 a team calls you and offers you two first for 1033 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,000 a beats to the zoo Bots, hypothetically, do do you 1034 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,679 take it like you're not gonna get it this year? Yeah? Yes, 1035 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,840 well one first this year hypothetically, I know that, Like if. 1036 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,039 Speaker 1: It's two first and one. 1037 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 4: Of them is this year and we like, I don't 1038 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,440 who's the team? 1039 00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,039 Speaker 2: Well that's what I'm saying, Like it's gonna depend on team. 1040 00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:51,679 But also like. 1041 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 1: Boston, I guess like that's the most real Like what 1042 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,159 are the realistic options? 1043 00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:56,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know. 1044 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,599 Speaker 1: Pacers wouldn't do it because why would Like they have 1045 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,079 a gonna have a good pick this year. 1046 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now. If the Pacers call them 1047 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,599 and give them it, Oh. 1048 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's a top ten pick. 1049 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 1: That's the top Yeah, Like that would be no. 1050 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 2: The Clippers luck Zoo would be so good. He would 1051 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,719 deliver them to the play it and he'd just be like, 1052 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,239 all right, Like what do you do? 1053 00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: He puts up thirty five, He averages thirty five, thirteen 1054 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:20,000 and nine. 1055 00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 2: But like, but I'm just saying, like, hypothetically, if you 1056 00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:27,280 get two first for Zoo, or a team comes calling 1057 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,440 for Derek because Derek's been good when he's been on 1058 00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:33,480 the floor, I know I love Derek Jones, or if 1059 00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,239 a team does come calling for James and James is 1060 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,239 totally acceptable to the trade, and or or James comes 1061 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,760 to them and says, hey, this isn't going as well 1062 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,760 as as either of us would have hoped. Can you 1063 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,960 move me to so and so? What do you do? 1064 00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 4: My point is, if you trade one of James or Kwhi, 1065 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:58,719 like you just got to do all of it, then 1066 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,679 at that point, right, is a domin no effect, Like 1067 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,880 you're gonna trade James but not Kawhi. How would Kawhi 1068 00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,639 feel if everybody else is getting picked off and he's 1069 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,079 fresh Prince of bel Air. In the final episode, in 1070 00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:13,480 the empty room. I just it doesn't make sense. It 1071 00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,480 seems weird. Is that how they would get Kauai on 1072 00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:21,719 board with wanting to move on because he sees that 1073 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,280 this group is no longer on his timeline. 1074 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, Kawhi, we're gonna trade everybody, but you may. 1075 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,519 Speaker 4: We will not trade you unless you sign off on it. 1076 00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,599 We will trade everyone else, And that could move him 1077 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:36,800 to a place where he's more comfortable being traded. I 1078 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,599 don't know, it could It could be that. 1079 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,280 Speaker 2: It also could just be and I know fans aren't 1080 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,599 gonna want to hear this. It could also just be 1081 00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:43,719 a situation where they wait till the off season because 1082 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,159 it's easier to do any of the off season. Yeah. 1083 00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:47,639 Speaker 4: Right. 1084 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 2: I talked to someone the other day, and I know 1085 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,199 this is hard to rationalize, but after fourteen trade winning 1086 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,800 seasons and playing good basketball, they kind of are due 1087 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,800 for a bad year. Yeah, like they were. They should 1088 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,719 have had it last year in all actuality, and instead 1089 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,920 they were just played over their heads and now it 1090 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,800 happened this year. So is it just one of those 1091 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,960 things where everyone just accepts, Hey man, this year just 1092 00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,800 went to crap real fast. We don't really have any 1093 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,760 other exploitation. Yeah, we don't have any other explanation. Maybe 1094 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,440 it's a gap year, and I know you don't want 1095 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,480 to take gap years when guys are thirty six and 1096 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,199 thirty four years old. That's not how it works. But 1097 00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:35,920 almost wonder if it's like, let's just get to the 1098 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,960 off season reevaluate when we can make trades at an 1099 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,800 easier rate because you can take in more players than 1100 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,039 you can during the season and all these things. And 1101 00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,360 I kind of wonder if that's the thing, is just 1102 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,519 get to the off season reevaluate and we'll move on 1103 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,159 rather than take twenty cents on the dollar. Yeah, of 1104 00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:58,159 course for a player that you know, in a market 1105 00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,800 where you don't know what the market is, because whoever 1106 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,880 deals first sets the market, And do you want to 1107 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,639 be the first team to do it. I don't know's 1108 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,519 I mean they might, I don't know. I mean they 1109 00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:14,639 very well might, just because of the Chris Paul shenanigans. 1110 00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,719 Speaker 1: So you know, will do you think they're shaking it 1111 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,280 up that much? Do you want a clean break? I 1112 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,239 think I want Adam's side with the clean break, Like 1113 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,920 if we trade one of James or Kawhi, Like, yeah. 1114 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,519 Speaker 3: The Kauhi stuff is just still a messy you know, 1115 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,480 like in an ideal world. Yeah, if you're gonna move 1116 00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,559 one of them, you completely tear down and get as 1117 00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:35,559 much value as you can get. I just don't think 1118 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:40,920 it's that clean. It's not that simple, yeah, do we. 1119 00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,920 I think if you're a Clippers fan, I mean, just 1120 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,960 mark your calendar for the fifteenth, you know. 1121 00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:48,119 Speaker 1: It's Monday. 1122 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,360 Speaker 3: Maybe things will be better, maybe they'll be worse. 1123 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 2: I'll never forget. Like asking James if this can be 1124 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,840 salvaged in the locker room after the lost to Dallas, 1125 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,159 and and he goes, what choice do we have? I 1126 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,480 and I just looked at him. I was like, well, 1127 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,320 it could always. 1128 00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 4: Get, you know, worse, and he goes, it can and 1129 00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:12,239 I was like that was a great exchange. 1130 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I know there's a perception of like, well, 1131 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,719 don't just climb out. They don't have to, as there 1132 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,320 was a when I covered the Sparks. 1133 00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 1: Fad't have to. They don't have to climb out. Dude, 1134 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,519 there if you want. 1135 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 2: Bro, here's the thing when I when I covered the 1136 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:32,960 Sparks this past year, on one of the beat writers, 1137 00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:35,400 John W. Davis of the Southern California News Group. I 1138 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,800 remember I was telling him. I was like, well, they 1139 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,320 can't keep losing, like because they were playing well even 1140 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,760 though they were losing. He goes, I go, they can't 1141 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,360 just keep losing, and he goes, they can't. They don't 1142 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,960 have to do anything. They don't have to like they 1143 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,599 could just like it could just happen. And I was like, Oh, 1144 00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:52,800 it's kind of stuck with me ever since. Yeah, no, 1145 00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,679 they they don't have to do anything. It could just happen, 1146 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,920 like you know, it doesn't. It is what it is. 1147 00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:02,920 I mean, by the way, how early do we think 1148 00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,239 past the fifteenth Chris paul is dealt? 1149 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:11,519 Speaker 4: So is it like Sunday at is it nine pm 1150 00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:16,239 Eastern time that that it turns to the next day? 1151 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,159 How does the NBA calendar work. 1152 00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,119 Speaker 1: Their babies over there? So I think it's probably nine 1153 00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,679 pm Eastern. Oh, we don't sleep, we don't sleep, but 1154 00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,280 we can't deal with the three overtime change their babies 1155 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,480 over there, So I think it'll be on East Coast 1156 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:32,960 time what they're clam pizza and whatever they do over there, 1157 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,840 or is it or it could be West Coast. 1158 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,519 Speaker 2: I feel like that came from an area of hatred 1159 00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:40,280 for you, like you just. 1160 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even dislike the East Coast. 1161 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,800 I just hate that the time change thing is because 1162 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,320 they're like, oh, anyway. 1163 00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:50,559 Speaker 4: You didn't know Tupac was Chuck's spiritual animals. 1164 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not accurate. 1165 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,199 Speaker 3: His advisor in some other ways. 1166 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,880 Speaker 1: But sure, uh, I think he's gone. 1167 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:08,880 Speaker 4: What teams want Chris Paul, not the Clippers, maybe the Lakers. 1168 01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Dude, he would So do you think Chris Paul and 1169 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,440 JJ Reddick would get along? 1170 01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:17,239 Speaker 2: So here's the thing. 1171 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 4: Teammates. 1172 01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:23,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know why I. 1173 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,079 Speaker 1: Dueling chat GPT battles. You can't tell me three isn't. 1174 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy to think the Lakers. But 1175 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,559 also I don't know if the Lakers want to kind 1176 01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:34,960 of bring a new a new vet in while they're 1177 01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:36,199 trying to still. 1178 01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:39,280 Speaker 1: Tell it he's gonna make Dalton Connect have a mental breakdown. 1179 01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1180 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 2: So, I mean, the the aspect of CP to the 1181 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,239 Lakers is it's still la Lebron James is this guy, 1182 01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:53,119 and and JJ was his teammates, So like there's also that, 1183 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,519 But also, do you want to coach a guy you 1184 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,599 were teammates with who is. 1185 01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Like, again, we needed like Chris Paul is a dickhead. 1186 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,159 He is very good at that. I'm not saying he's not. 1187 01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:10,119 I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm not saying he's not 1188 01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,639 good at basketball. He is a dickhead, which has an 1189 01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:15,000 effect on a workplace. 1190 01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:18,719 Speaker 4: Honestly, he could go wherever, Like you say that affectionately, 1191 01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:19,519 he could. 1192 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 3: He can go wherever and have a good season, and 1193 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:25,480 I still wouldn't feel like that necessarily about the way 1194 01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:28,480 this all turned out, Like don't Yeah, he's not the 1195 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,719 guy that you want in your locker room when you're 1196 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,960 losing this many games. 1197 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,920 Speaker 2: CP three to Milwaukee for a mirror, that's what we need, 1198 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,280 sud Chris back with Doc Rivers. 1199 01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:41,119 Speaker 1: Honestly, a mere coffee comes back. I'm back on that. 1200 01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:42,239 We're winning fifty games. 1201 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 2: Train fans crapped on him. 1202 01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Would be the guy, he's the kind of player when 1203 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,039 everything is going horribly. He had that fifty to forty 1204 01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:56,000 ninety January a couple of seasons ago. He would be 1205 01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,800 the guy who's like, remember that last like post All 1206 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,360 Star break, a mere coffee averaged twenty six it. It'd 1207 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,639 be the dumbest shit in the world. We would get 1208 01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:07,800 obliterated by okay see in the first round, but it'd 1209 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:08,400 be kind of fun. 1210 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:15,079 Speaker 2: Like I As far as the Chris thing, it's yeah, 1211 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:15,880 how was that your fault? 1212 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. More people have been asking about 1213 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,559 what how the Chris Paul thing was your fault? In 1214 01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:23,400 what way? Kind of a whole thing? 1215 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was the one who made this happen, 1216 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:32,280 you know. I mean, look, without getting too deep into 1217 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,599 the weeds about the Chris Paul situation. Uh, this, this 1218 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,960 is the situation that can happen when a team is 1219 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,199 bad and they have veterans, where guys feel compelled to 1220 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:48,239 keep speaking out. Not I don't mean that in a 1221 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,519 negative way. I'm just saying like, guys are speaking up 1222 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:54,519 and speaking out and it can become draining. And I'm 1223 01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:56,480 sure people have their feelings on who was in the 1224 01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,679 right and who was in the wrong. I think the 1225 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,559 situation looks the way that it does for everybody. I 1226 01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:06,079 don't think there's I don't think anyone is blameless here, 1227 01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:07,639 is all I'm gonna say. 1228 01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 1: One hundred percent agreed. It's a two way street of 1229 01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:12,000 well and that goes back to kind of the media 1230 01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:15,159 thing we were talking about right, like everything is messy 1231 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,519 from the Clippers side, from the people they're dealing with side, like. 1232 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,559 Speaker 3: There's no right way to do anything when you've lost 1233 01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:25,320 this many games like that, you know, like there's there's 1234 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,920 no way if and I brought this up before, like 1235 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,320 when it first happened and we talked about it, like 1236 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,360 if the team was five hundred, people would be celebrating 1237 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,119 the move. It'd be like, it sucks that it happened, 1238 01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:35,719 but like you gotta do what you gotta do and 1239 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,679 hope for the best for the rest of the season, 1240 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:39,880 like if things weren't working out, but because the Clippers 1241 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,079 are so bad, like there's no right way to do anything. 1242 01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:47,199 Speaker 2: Now, what I will say is this, This is what 1243 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,159 I will say on the whole thing and leave it 1244 01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:53,440 with that is okay. So the story is Lawrence Frank 1245 01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:57,440 makes the decision late Sunday night to release Chris Paul 1246 01:03:57,519 --> 01:03:58,559 or not release excuse. 1247 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,599 Speaker 1: Me because of a playing issue. Also in the timing 1248 01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:02,400 was also because of a delayed plane. 1249 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,000 Speaker 2: Right well, that was when they were supposed to have 1250 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:09,199 the meeting in Atlanta, got it on the Tuesday, but 1251 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,559 on Sunday night, So the Clippers played the Dallas Mavericks 1252 01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:15,480 on a Saturday night at home. They make the decision 1253 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:20,440 Sunday night to basically part ways with him and bring 1254 01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:23,639 him back home. Now, my whole thing is this, and 1255 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,000 this is what I'm just urging people to do. What 1256 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:32,639 happened on the plane flight from on Sunday morning that 1257 01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:34,760 had a ten am plane fight Sunday morning from LA 1258 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,079 to Miami to play on Monday. What had to have 1259 01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:43,159 happened to where that night after the plane, after the 1260 01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:46,039 plane flight to Miami, that the decision has made he 1261 01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:48,480 has to go home. All I'm asking people is to 1262 01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:51,519 use critical thinking skills on how bad that must have 1263 01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:54,880 been to make the decision to send a guy home 1264 01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,880 after he just flew with your team for six hours. 1265 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,559 Speaker 4: That's what I've been saying, is the night happen, It's like, 1266 01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:03,000 you guys think they wanted to do this. You think 1267 01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:05,119 they thought this was going to be good. Pr You 1268 01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:08,079 think they didn't think about the consequences and how much 1269 01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:10,360 blowback they were going to get. They thought of all 1270 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,679 of it, and they still felt like this was the 1271 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:13,480 better decision. 1272 01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, My main thing has been how bad must it 1273 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,519 have been if they knew the pr hit that they 1274 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:19,599 were gonna take and still did it. 1275 01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: I think it was a BRA game gone wrong. You're 1276 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,519 an idiot. They're on the plane. That's what they do 1277 01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:30,000 on the play. Laurence Frank was upset with how he 1278 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,679 was playing Buray and things went awry. 1279 01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:38,119 Speaker 3: Guys, I got a jet by where are you going 1280 01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:40,000 out of here? 1281 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,800 Speaker 2: He got traded before December fifteen? 1282 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you can. Anyone on this podcast can be 1283 01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:51,039 traded for deserverything. 1284 01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:53,800 Speaker 4: All right, are you going to Atlanta? Is that how they? 1285 01:05:57,639 --> 01:05:57,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1286 01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,239 Speaker 1: Things are pretty hellish right now. 1287 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,320 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, it's kind of funny though, Like as 1288 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,519 bad as they've been, I know they've played better recently 1289 01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:10,000 and they obviously still haven't won. It's just been rather 1290 01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:13,360 fascinating to me to watch like the stages of how 1291 01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,840 and this is I guess in a morbid way. It's 1292 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,840 been fascinating to me to watch the stages of how 1293 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,920 they've been bad, because it's always been like one thing 1294 01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:24,679 at a time that's been so bad that it's dragged 1295 01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,880 everything else down. Like last night was the offensive was 1296 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:28,880 the defensive rebounding? 1297 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:29,079 Speaker 1: Right? 1298 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,000 Speaker 2: Other than that, they played great And I'm not even 1299 01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:35,840 talking about the ending sequence. Like, right, defensive rebounding was 1300 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,880 terrible last night, but that's also because of how great 1301 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:38,679 Houston is at it. 1302 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:40,920 Speaker 4: So like. 1303 01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:45,320 Speaker 2: Rebounds, right, so like how do you even evaluate that? 1304 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,039 But the night before against Minnesota, or the the game 1305 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,400 before against Minnesota, it was what turnovers? 1306 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:53,000 Speaker 1: Is that what it was? 1307 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,440 Speaker 2: It was something in the Minnesota game. I'm trying to 1308 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:55,920 remember now. 1309 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 4: It was they had they missed free throws. That's right, 1310 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,840 ancle Ones. That was part of it. And an eighteen 1311 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,920 point lead Minnesota started the free throws. 1312 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,920 Speaker 1: Didn't they shoot like sixty two that game? 1313 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:11,119 Speaker 4: Oh? 1314 01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty eight percent? They were seventeen of twenty five, 1315 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,400 the best free throw shooting team in the league, by 1316 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,559 the way. Yeah right, And oh that was the other thing. 1317 01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:20,760 They gave up thirty four free throw attempts to Minnesota 1318 01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:24,679 because they couldn't want to. I don't want to sound 1319 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,920 like a person who has a gripe, but Julius Randall, 1320 01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:31,119 what is that whistle that he gets? 1321 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, would be my take. I don't care. 1322 01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I just like, I'm sorry. He also 1323 01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:44,440 got to the face. He Elboto guided the face and 1324 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:45,159 still got the call. 1325 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:51,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane crazy. That sucks. That's fucking eighteen point lead. 1326 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,039 Speaker 2: Agreed. Agreed. 1327 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,360 Speaker 1: They lose like the Bucks lost last night. Like every game, 1328 01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,320 it's like, well, they have a third and twenty eight 1329 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,199 surely won't get beat with the last second field goal. 1330 01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:07,280 Then it's like, oh, like it's just insane, dude. Like 1331 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,800 I think big move wise because I know people are 1332 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,400 they want to fire Lawrence Frank and fire Tylou and 1333 01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:17,560 I don't think that helps anything this year. I actually 1334 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,880 maybe don't think it helps anything next year. Any changes 1335 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,439 are coming at the end of the year. Balmber is 1336 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,399 not any type of no for managerial I should say 1337 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,600 roster changes. I would not be surprised in three days 1338 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,439 if we see some trades managerially, I think it's gonna 1339 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,960 it would be the end of the season. I don't 1340 01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,399 think Balmber is the guy to fire Tyler and Lawrence 1341 01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,880 Frank in December. 1342 01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:53,199 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think Balmber wants stability and he doesn't want 1343 01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:56,720 to overreact to one bad season when I know a 1344 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,720 lot of people feel like right now, they never won 1345 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,079 the championship, They've all in bed. What do you mean, 1346 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,920 blow it up? Okay, so he's gonna win again. That's 1347 01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:08,720 just this season should give you an indication maybe of 1348 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,800 just how hard it is to win and what they've 1349 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,479 been doing over the years. It's not easy. The fact 1350 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,960 that they have been winning with all the injuries going on, 1351 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:21,159 cobbling rosters together, figuring it out, working around the parameters 1352 01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,000 of having a lot of cap restrictions their way. The 1353 01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:27,520 pgach move moving on from him like they've done a 1354 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,119 really good job overall. But like Justin said earlier, maybe 1355 01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:33,840 last year was the year everybody thought, and Vegas certainly 1356 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,560 thought they were gonna have a down year. They delayed 1357 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,119 it by a year. 1358 01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:41,079 Speaker 1: Maybe. Well in those last dude, that last stretch to 1359 01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,399 avoid the play in is absurd basketball. The Clippers played 1360 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,239 like they put they had a playoff game every night 1361 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,439 for the most part for the last at least five games, 1362 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:57,960 right like they were that push I think obviously gassed 1363 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,159 them last year to the point where we get whatever 1364 01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:04,039 the hell that Game seven was whatever? 1365 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,720 Speaker 4: I ain't buying it. They had a week off, Honestly, 1366 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:07,079 I can't. 1367 01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:12,159 Speaker 1: They're old, though, the cracks of their oldness showing. 1368 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,279 Speaker 4: They didn't come out flat in Game four, and then 1369 01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:17,199 you get down twenty two and all of a sudden 1370 01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:20,319 start playing hard because they're old. They just they have 1371 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:21,199 bad habits. 1372 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,119 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and when you're old and you have 1373 01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:27,119 bad habits, you become stubborn in them. And here we are, 1374 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,960 all right, I mean now that is what I don't 1375 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:30,600 mean for back then. 1376 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,840 Speaker 2: I mean now, I do agree with you, though, Chuck, 1377 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,560 I don't think they make changes, uh, non roster changes 1378 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:38,920 before the end of the season. 1379 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:40,680 Speaker 1: It'd be crazy. 1380 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,359 Speaker 2: I also, I don't want to pour cold water on 1381 01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,479 people people's hopes, I guess, but like I also just 1382 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,319 don't see them. 1383 01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:53,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a Patreon episode. That's a six hour Patreon episode. 1384 01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:58,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to throw cold water on people's perspective hopes, 1385 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,359 But like, I would be a little bit shocked if, 1386 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,119 even if you get to the off season, if Tye 1387 01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:08,199 and Lawrence are dismissed. I generally think that they believe 1388 01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:12,039 one bad year out of fifteen is not enough of 1389 01:11:12,119 --> 01:11:16,439 a reason to just get rid of people. Essentially, at 1390 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:22,079 the decision making level, when you're what twelve months eighteen 1391 01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:25,680 months removed essentially from a summer where you pivoted from 1392 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,199 Paul George to all these other guys who became very 1393 01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:32,600 helpful and you had a great off season that you 1394 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,319 overshot expectations, and now you're just underperforming expectations after what 1395 01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,119 you thought was a good off season, but now is 1396 01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:43,359 turned into a disaster off season. And I almost wonder 1397 01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:47,760 if this is a learning experience for them where they 1398 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,039 have realized all the good stuff from the prior off season, 1399 01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:57,159 they didn't repeat this offseason with younger athletic minded, defensive 1400 01:11:57,239 --> 01:12:01,239 minded guys, and it was almost like a correction of sorts, 1401 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,960 and now they're kind of just having to realize, Hey, 1402 01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:09,239 next summer, get back to doing what worked. None of 1403 01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:13,840 the sentimentality and veteran type stuff. We just need to 1404 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,560 bring in guys who can play hard for eighty two 1405 01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,159 games because a lot of the Clipper stuff. At the 1406 01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:21,000 end of the day, it comes down to, they got 1407 01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:22,960 a lot of sixteen games. Like you heard the term 1408 01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:26,279 sixteen game players for the playoffs. They have a lot 1409 01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:28,479 of sixteen game players. What they don't have for eighty 1410 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,479 two game guys. And that's kind of the problem. I 1411 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,720 think is they like that they overshot the mark on 1412 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,119 what they thought they needed, and I think it's come 1413 01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:41,439 back to haunt them a little bit, like it just 1414 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,439 is what it is. So I would be a little 1415 01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,600 bit stunned if they make off season managerial in front 1416 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:48,359 office changes. 1417 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, what if they don't win a game 1418 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,000 from here until the end of the season. 1419 01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:56,199 Speaker 2: I just don't think you'll see the team exists anymore. 1420 01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, mombers like, we're done. 1421 01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,720 Speaker 4: If you overreact to every down season, you're going to 1422 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,199 have probably a lot of turnover. There have been very 1423 01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:15,000 few franchises that have had long standing runs of just consistency. 1424 01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:18,079 It's the Spurs, the Utah Jazz for a while, the 1425 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:21,840 Clippers here in modern times, the Lakers for some time. 1426 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:27,479 It's very difficult to do. And all of this comes 1427 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,640 down to something that was out of their control. If 1428 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,439 Kawhi doesn't tear as acl, they likely win into twenty 1429 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,079 twenty one, and you can deal with seasons like this 1430 01:13:37,319 --> 01:13:41,359 more easily with more grace and just being like, Okay, 1431 01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,239 we get it, it's a down year, but we got 1432 01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:46,640 the ring. It was all worth it. We got the ring. 1433 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,039 In this era, that's what's killing everybody that they didn't 1434 01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:52,079 get the ring and they're still being torture with the 1435 01:13:52,119 --> 01:13:52,760 season like this. 1436 01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they just it sucks, but it happens. Essentially 1437 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,279 is the is the gist of the whole thing is 1438 01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:07,479 we've seen this happen to franchisees before. You know, the 1439 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,359 difference is they would get a ring out of it, 1440 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,039 like Milwaukee got a ring out of it. And now 1441 01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:17,000 you're seeing the ramifications of everything. The Lakers obviously got 1442 01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:21,199 one with the Anthony Davis trade, and you start going 1443 01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:26,279 down the pathway of like all these title winners they 1444 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,960 generally got one because what it's seven different title winners 1445 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,279 in seven years, yep. 1446 01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:33,000 Speaker 1: Well, and how they were playing like against the mass 1447 01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:35,600 before Kawhi got hurt that one year when him and 1448 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,560 PG really it felt like they figured it out to 1449 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,960 the optimum level of how to play together. 1450 01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:45,199 Speaker 2: But that also drives home the thought that I've had 1451 01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:47,800 for a while, which is when it's your year, you 1452 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,039 have to win it because very much likely you're not 1453 01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:52,640 getting that year again. Like the team I go back to, 1454 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,000 oddly enough is the Warriors in twenty twenty two, where 1455 01:14:56,119 --> 01:14:59,199 like they get the incredible Jordan Poole year, they get 1456 01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:03,159 the incredible Andrew Wiggins year, they get the once in 1457 01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:08,600 a lifetime Auto Porter Junior non injury season right, and 1458 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,680 they win the title in six games against Boston, and 1459 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,039 look what's happened to them since, Like they've dealt with stuff. 1460 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,439 So it's it's one of those things where like when 1461 01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,319 it's your year, you got to strike while the Irons hotter, 1462 01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:24,159 or you're just not doing it. Like obviously we could 1463 01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:27,000 point to the Raptors in twenty nineteen, the Lakers in 1464 01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:30,520 twenty twenty, the Bucks in twenty one, the Warriors in 1465 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,000 twenty two, and in some cases the Nuggets in twenty three. 1466 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,920 They haven't made it back that far obviously, Like they've 1467 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,399 been snake bitten by stuff here and there. So when 1468 01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,159 it is your time, you gotta get it done, simple 1469 01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:50,239 as that, and they haven't, whether through injuries or their 1470 01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:53,399 own mistakes or a combination of them. Like it just 1471 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:54,039 is what it is. 1472 01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:56,760 Speaker 1: I think there was a funny thing too in terms 1473 01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,680 of fan reaction. La Murray tweeted this out, but he 1474 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,520 was like a lot of these Clippers fans is aren't 1475 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,960 used to seeing what these Clippers used to be, correct, 1476 01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:06,600 which is like if you're a Bandwagon fan when you 1477 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,159 came over, that's fine. I'm not saying nothing against Bandwagon fans. 1478 01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:13,239 I'm a from a state where there's no professional teams. 1479 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,000 Speaker 2: Oh I thought you're saying no running water. 1480 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:22,000 Speaker 1: I'll fucking kill you, dude. So but like when you 1481 01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:25,039 join a team that makes a big like if you 1482 01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:28,920 if you're a new Clippers fan, I can understand the 1483 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,399 frustration because you're like, what the hell happened here? We 1484 01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:32,039 won fifty? 1485 01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:32,640 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 1486 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,840 Speaker 1: Like, but it's also you gotta get used to it 1487 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,520 because most of sports is losing. 1488 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,560 Speaker 2: What's the phras there's only one winner every year. 1489 01:16:42,199 --> 01:16:46,279 Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like it's just so many things 1490 01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:48,479 outside of your control that you need to go your 1491 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:53,640 way still and blaming you know, the front office or 1492 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,640 a coach or a player for a lot of that stuff. 1493 01:16:56,359 --> 01:16:59,119 There's blame to go around, but you still need some luck. 1494 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,279 And when you're factoring in, you know, how much you 1495 01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:05,520 want to criticize an organization, I would say you should 1496 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,720 think about the good fortune aspect of it that's out 1497 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,560 of your control. And I think they did every I 1498 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,920 think twenty twenty one was was their year. I was 1499 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,479 afraid the ACL tear was always going to be that 1500 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,800 defining point line of demarcation or whatever where it's like this, 1501 01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:23,840 this is really when you look back on it the end. 1502 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:25,840 It happened in twenty twenty one. 1503 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,520 Speaker 2: They had a two year window. It was it was 1504 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,359 the bubble year, which obviously they didn't know they were 1505 01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:33,960 gonna have to go into a bubble, but it happened. 1506 01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:35,840 And then there was twenty one, like those were the 1507 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,760 two years and then once he tore his acluble. Dude, 1508 01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:40,439 they so. 1509 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,920 Speaker 4: Two things out of your control bubble acl No. 1510 01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:46,359 Speaker 2: I mean they did what they could and it just 1511 01:17:46,399 --> 01:17:49,720 didn't work out. Sometimes that's life. So it's funny because 1512 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,800 you bring up like the like laws saying that about 1513 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,920 fans just are not used to it. That's where like 1514 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,920 the four I know everyone kind of like laughs at 1515 01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,119 the fourteenth straight winning seasons, But that's what it bred 1516 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,399 was an was an entire generation of fans who just 1517 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:07,039 haven't seen the team be bad, right, and this is 1518 01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:12,000 a before that run, it was a terrible franchise, like 1519 01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:14,119 the losing its franchise in sports. 1520 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:18,840 Speaker 1: And owned by a huge, very terrible person. 1521 01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:22,359 Speaker 2: That's that's under that's under selling it. But all right, 1522 01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:30,359 h I mean, yeah, and look it happens and they 1523 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,800 have been bad until this run and now you're seeing 1524 01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:36,960 this is also like Adam, you said like, blow it 1525 01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:39,760 up like this is this is my only issue I think, 1526 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,079 and I'm not saying my issue with you saying that, 1527 01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:45,000 but like my issue with fans who. 1528 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,119 Speaker 1: Are like I got some receipts right here, dude, I 1529 01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:49,079 came prepared for this. 1530 01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:53,079 Speaker 4: I'll correct you afterwards. 1531 01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:54,520 Speaker 2: Hold on classic, Okay. 1532 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,880 Speaker 1: So gotcha journalism. You ain't an hour and twenty minutes 1533 01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:02,279 lull us to sleep with your good nature. 1534 01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:03,640 Speaker 2: Russo finds out. 1535 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, hey, you of all people right now should 1536 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,760 not like aligning yourself with Babo tor. 1537 01:19:11,039 --> 01:19:15,000 Speaker 2: Oh after the nick Right thing? Is it the nick 1538 01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:16,920 Right thing right there? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah? 1539 01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:21,439 But what I was gonna say is like this is 1540 01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,039 why when fans, when I see because I'll get the 1541 01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:26,600 messages every now and then, like on Twitter or whatever, 1542 01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,960 is oh, they need to like just trade everyone and 1543 01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:33,680 just build around the young guys and just like kind 1544 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,880 of just let it organically build. The problem with that 1545 01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:40,520 is everybody thinks they're built for that until you're four 1546 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,680 years in watching a twenty four win team do nothing 1547 01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:48,640 and you have no young guys and it just is 1548 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,720 just miserable. The reason I know that is because I 1549 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,239 watched the Charlotte Hornets willingly, and up until this year, 1550 01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,520 I would have actually said they had no direction. And 1551 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:05,039 then they get Konker Nipple and he's goddamn amazing. Yeah, 1552 01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:09,479 like just full stop. But like that's the thing though, 1553 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,319 is it how many years did it take them to 1554 01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:16,239 get him? And look what's happened to the Kings outside 1555 01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:19,439 of one or two years, or you know, you look 1556 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,720 at the Utah Jazz and that's another thing. 1557 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,640 Speaker 4: So it goes back to it's so hard to win. 1558 01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:32,199 It's so hard to win. And maybe when you're looking 1559 01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:35,880 at this season and how difficult it's been this season, 1560 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,600 I know, with all the losing, it's like, I know, 1561 01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,079 it sucks they didn't win the championship, but it's hard 1562 01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:48,119 to do what they have been doing too. Yeah, it's 1563 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,119 look at Washington like they've been. You can have the 1564 01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:55,159 teardowns all you want. I completely agree with you. The 1565 01:20:55,319 --> 01:20:58,439 draft is a crap shoot. Go back to any draft 1566 01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,359 and look through it, and then remember what guys were 1567 01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:03,680 saying in comps in the top ten. I remember I 1568 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,039 looked from twenty six to twenty sixteen, and there was 1569 01:21:07,119 --> 01:21:10,279 a twenty five percent chance during that time of you 1570 01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,479 drafting an All Star in the top ten. In the 1571 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,600 top ten, there was a twenty five percent chance. 1572 01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:16,319 Speaker 1: Damn. 1573 01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:19,800 Speaker 4: So it was one hundred guys drafted in the top 1574 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,199 ten over that ten year period, twenty five of them 1575 01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:27,319 became All Stars. It's really difficult. It's really hard. Everybody 1576 01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:29,920 thinks during the draft, all this guy's surefire. Oh okay, 1577 01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:32,079 you can't go wrong with this guy. Yeah, you go 1578 01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:34,279 back and look at the drafts. There's missus all over 1579 01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:34,760 the place. 1580 01:21:37,159 --> 01:21:39,039 Speaker 2: It's not a it's not a science. 1581 01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:41,359 Speaker 1: Essentially, you don't even know how tall the guy you're 1582 01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:46,960 drafting is. Shout out, Daniel Otuue. I think on that note, 1583 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,439 I think I do have to tap out. 1584 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:49,359 Speaker 2: That's fine. 1585 01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,199 Speaker 1: I can't dedicate any more time talking about the Clippers. 1586 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,399 Speaker 2: Was that the real quick was the tour game in Okay? See? 1587 01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,600 Speaker 1: Was that the when he got blocked seven times? 1588 01:21:59,119 --> 01:22:01,800 Speaker 2: Excuse me, it was eight let's let's be correct here, 1589 01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,279 damn journalism. Wow? Yeah? 1590 01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:05,239 Speaker 4: Was that? 1591 01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:08,479 Speaker 2: Was that the turning point in both franchises? 1592 01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:13,079 Speaker 1: It might have been that eighth block, like, just oh 1593 01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:16,319 shit that or when we gave them six picks. 1594 01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:23,800 Speaker 2: It's probably the picks, but I could be convinced of 1595 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:24,479 the eighth block. 1596 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,520 Speaker 1: You know what's a crazy turning point and then we 1597 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,399 do have to get here is if and this is 1598 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,560 a completely different sport. If you look at when the 1599 01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,720 Dolphins beat the Broncos and they put up seventy points. 1600 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,079 Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that the other day. 1601 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:39,119 Speaker 1: That was literally when both the Broncos started going up 1602 01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:41,279 and the Dolphins just started going fucking down. 1603 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,600 Speaker 2: I saw someone post about that the other day, and 1604 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,479 you were the first person I thought of, and I 1605 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,359 was like, I can't said this to them. You can. 1606 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,600 Speaker 1: It's fine, I'm aware of it. I live with a 1607 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,760 very die hard Broncos fan. All Right, we are out 1608 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:58,199 of here. Thank you everyone for hanging out. We maybe 1609 01:22:58,359 --> 01:23:01,760 just made you more upset, but that's fine. It's fun 1610 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,239 to have the passion cheer on the guys if you're 1611 01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:07,359 at the game, unless they give up a thirty to 1612 01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:09,079 two runner, which case, do whatever the hell you want. 1613 01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,479 Justin Russo, thank you for hanging out. Where can people 1614 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:13,520 find your wonderful stuff? 1615 01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:14,279 Speaker 3: Uh? 1616 01:23:14,399 --> 01:23:16,359 Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at f L y 1617 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,560 B y k N I t E. You can find 1618 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:23,760 me on uh substack at just Justin Russo dot substack 1619 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,560 dot com I will apologize I haven't written anything in 1620 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,359 like a week. It's not because I'm apathetic towards the team. 1621 01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:34,039 Speaker 1: I've I'm furious that you're output. 1622 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,840 Speaker 2: I I I tend to take like a week break 1623 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,640 during December to kind of like p re calibrate shit. 1624 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,399 So yeah, it's one of those situations. What do you 1625 01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:45,399 mean you get stressed out? 1626 01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,279 Speaker 1: You get stressed out during the holidays. What the hell 1627 01:23:47,319 --> 01:23:48,079 are you talking about? 1628 01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,399 Speaker 2: Even when they're winning, I get stressed out there the 1629 01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,239 holidays with ship. 1630 01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, thank you so much, thank you for 1631 01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:59,279 covering the team we need. Just Adam, we are going 1632 01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:00,880 to put this on audio, so you do have to 1633 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,920 do the hardest thing in the world. Uh promote your 1634 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,640 show and give us one positive thing to send these 1635 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,239 Clippers fans into their weekend. 1636 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:14,159 Speaker 4: For uh later tonight Fox Sports radio anywhere nationally listen 1637 01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:16,239 to it on the iHeartRadio app followed me and follow 1638 01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:19,560 out of May. I'll post some links. But the positive 1639 01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:24,560 thing here, well, Home, Sweet Home. You know we got 1640 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,319 off to this little start at home last season and 1641 01:24:26,359 --> 01:24:28,439 then things turned around into it. Do can we do 1642 01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,079 the same here? Be nice? If Monday night was a 1643 01:24:31,119 --> 01:24:34,000 turning point against Memphis, who they've had two brutal losses 1644 01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:36,479 to in the last couple of weeks. We do need 1645 01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,319 Clipper Nation to give this team a lyft. Like, I 1646 01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,880 understand you're you're paying fan, you do what you want 1647 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,640 well within reason. There are some disclaimer stuff at the 1648 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,359 bottom of your ticket you should probably read, but UH. 1649 01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,960 Speaker 1: Agreed, Actually, yes, please do read that. 1650 01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:57,119 Speaker 4: I hope you will give this team a chance and 1651 01:24:57,279 --> 01:24:59,800 give them a lift out there because they have been 1652 01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:03,720 laying hard. They just continue to lose games late. Can 1653 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,560 you help push them over the finish line. Drag them 1654 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,279 across the finish line. That's what we need on Monday 1655 01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:10,680 night against Memphis. 1656 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,960 Speaker 2: Should fans UH courtside be holding a little gatorade cups 1657 01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:18,279 like at UH Marathon for the players, Like. 1658 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:24,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, just just hand it out marathon. Thank you all 1659 01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,039 so much for hanging out. We'll be back next week 1660 01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:31,319 to talk about hopefully not a new low. That is 1661 01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:33,840 our goal for every week. Let's just not have a 1662 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,520 new low. I have been Chuck Mockley William up like 1663 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,960 says thank you as well as always Let's go clips