Speaker 1: Oh well, des are.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan Jack and today
Speaker 2: we are getting to know the new Pope here and
Speaker 2: are there any crazy conspiracy synchronicities or let's just try
Speaker 2: and figure out who this guy is at first, and
Speaker 2: then maybe we'll start to delve in a little bit deeper.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a little bit of symbolism. We're gonna get
Speaker 2: wild today. So if you're interested in finding out who
Speaker 2: the new Pope is, what he represents, all about him,
Speaker 2: today is an episode that is dedicated to that.
Speaker 3: So we're excited indeed, good cult members.
Speaker 4: So if you're keeping track of the cult Conspiracy being
Speaker 4: go car for the year twenty twenty five, then you
Speaker 4: know that we got that mark off saying that the
Speaker 4: Pope was going to die Pope Francis rip. Now that
Speaker 4: being said, this previous pope was considered quote unquote, I
Speaker 4: think by his own admission, the people's Pope, right, there's
Speaker 4: some reasons behind that. He kind of took his valve
Speaker 4: poverty a little bit harder than most. He didn't wear
Speaker 4: the giant golden ornate clothing. He actually lived in a
Speaker 4: relatively small like apartment at the Vatican City rather than
Speaker 4: the big, grand, you know, bedchambers that the other ones
Speaker 4: have gone through. He was more modest in his style.
Speaker 4: But he also was seen as the quote unquote people's
Speaker 4: pope because he took a lot of very progressive leanings.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean progressive in the same way that
Speaker 4: it's been used in the past. Now, Pope Leo current
Speaker 4: Pope Popolo the thirteenth fourteenth, excuse me. He took the
Speaker 4: name of Pope Leo because the Popolo the thirteenth was
Speaker 4: seen as one of the most progressive popes throughout human history.
Speaker 4: Now that being I said to human I should say
Speaker 4: the history of the Catholic Church not progressive by our
Speaker 4: modern standards. Progressive per the day and age that the
Speaker 4: previous pop Leo was involved with was more embracing science
Speaker 4: as well as embracing the Bible that was seen as
Speaker 4: extremely progressive for the day and age.
Speaker 3: Okay, so when we.
Speaker 4: Use that term progress of years past, it does not
Speaker 4: mean the same way it does now. Pope Francis was
Speaker 4: very inviting to the LGBTQ, to a element op QRSTUVWXYZ community.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: He also embraced this thing called universalism, which I understand that,
Speaker 4: for instance, Jonathan probably does agree with universalism. I do not,
Speaker 4: and most Catholics do not. Universalism, for anybody who doesn't know,
Speaker 4: is basically saying that you can find God and find
Speaker 4: salvation through multiple different religious avenues. Now, a lot of
Speaker 4: people agree with this, and I feel like the word
Speaker 4: God and enlightenment get conflated to mean the same thing
Speaker 4: when we talk about universalism. I think it's very possible
Speaker 4: to find enlightenment and morality through all different kinds of
Speaker 4: avenues and ways. But for the head of the Catholic Pope,
Speaker 4: or excuse me, the head of the Catholic Church, the
Speaker 4: Vicar of Rome, to say that there is more than
Speaker 4: one way to get to God, even though within their
Speaker 4: prayer it says we believe in one Holy and Apostolic
Speaker 4: Church and we acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins,
Speaker 4: that kind of is a massive red flag, right, So
Speaker 4: go ahead, go ahead, I see your face.
Speaker 2: This is so the whole idea of universalism. I mean,
Speaker 2: first of all, I don't apply to necessarily any religions
Speaker 2: out there, so I think that are you are you?
Speaker 2: Including like all mythologies and shit like that, like not
Speaker 2: just religions. Yeah, okay, then.
Speaker 4: He's not saying that every single one can lead to
Speaker 4: salvation or to God, but he's saying that there is
Speaker 4: definitely more than just Christianity to get to God.
Speaker 2: So and also the idea of enlightenment in God being
Speaker 2: separate things, in my opinion, I would just say that
Speaker 2: enlightenment is probably what happens whenever. It's probably it's like
Speaker 2: whenever you and God are able to infuse and merge
Speaker 2: with each other on a literal like moment to moment basis.
Speaker 2: So like that's like I'm not gonna get too wi
Speaker 2: will hear. But essentially it's like going so inward and finding,
Speaker 2: you know, that divine spark within you. That's the reason
Speaker 2: why they say namastae. By the way, it's like the
Speaker 2: divine spark within me acknowledges the divine spark within you.
Speaker 2: It's not talking to your ego, it's talking to like
Speaker 2: your spark, your soul, your spirit, whatever, right, And so
Speaker 2: they believe that by accessing that spark and essentially shedding
Speaker 2: your ego and just merging with that that spark or
Speaker 2: that God or whatever that is enlightenment.
Speaker 4: And I get that, and I'm, like I said, I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that the entire premise behind universalism doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: But this would also equally be like the head emm
Speaker 4: of Islam saying that there is more than one way
Speaker 4: to get to Allah than just Mohammed.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is if I'm not mistaken, Now, this
Speaker 2: would be the pope prophecy coming true then, because Francis sure, sure,
Speaker 2: but he died and that's supposed to bring forward a
Speaker 2: new age. That was the idea behind that. And so
Speaker 2: if we get this guy who is more of a universalist,
Speaker 2: wouldn't that be bringing about some sort of new age
Speaker 2: because that's not what previous But I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know all the information about previous popes or
Speaker 2: where they stood or whatever, but I can just imagine
Speaker 2: that they probably would oppose some type of ideology like that.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: That I would say pretty much every pope up until
Speaker 4: Francis would disavow him for saying such things.
Speaker 2: There's actually a lot of symbolism behind that as well,
Speaker 2: and we're going to get to that. Oh, I believe
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
Speaker 4: Now this guy is the first American pope, and I
Speaker 4: know everybody's been hearing that.
Speaker 3: All over the news. He also has dual citizenship.
Speaker 4: With Peru, and for some reason, Peru was over here
Speaker 4: saying first Peruvian pope. Like, first of all, he was
Speaker 4: born in Shyraq. Sit down, No, nobody's talking to you
Speaker 4: Peru right now. Okay, shy Town is having their day
Speaker 4: in the sun. That's what's happening right now. But it's
Speaker 4: at the point he is fluent in five languages.
Speaker 3: Okay. He grew up from relatively humble means.
Speaker 4: I don't believe his parents were upper one percent wealthy,
Speaker 4: but I also don't believe that he grew up poverty stricken.
Speaker 4: Buy any means either upper middle class, I would say,
Speaker 4: from all my research I could find, but I find
Speaker 4: it interesting. And the more research I did on this,
Speaker 4: i'm I may have been a little biased on this.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So for anybody who doesn't know, I was raised Roman
Speaker 4: Catholic up until I was about twelve to thirteen years old, okay,
Speaker 4: and I left the faith in favor of non denominational
Speaker 4: evangelical Christendom.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: And that's how I get down these days. I show
Speaker 4: no I don't throw hatred towards the Catholic faith. In fact,
Speaker 4: I respect it for a lot of reasons. I just
Speaker 4: disagree with a few things that they do dogmatically and
Speaker 4: a few of their ritualistic things that they get going here.
Speaker 4: I don't agree with praying to saints or praying to angels.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that Mary died a virgin because literally
Speaker 4: in the Good Book they talk about Jesus having four
Speaker 4: brothers and two sisters, so like that had to be
Speaker 4: from Mary's you know, blessed womb. All right, I'm just
Speaker 4: throwing it out. I'm not trying to be a dick
Speaker 4: about it, but like clearly her and Joseph fucked about it.
Speaker 3: But neither hear nor there. Okay, neither hear nor there.
Speaker 2: How dare you and blasphemous? You know they made love
Speaker 2: missionary style?
Speaker 3: Oh actually I can guarantee that much for sure.
Speaker 4: But we know that Jesus had actual half blood brothers
Speaker 4: and like that's but O the point bes to that,
Speaker 4: The point I am not throwing any kind of shade
Speaker 4: towards the Catholic faith. I have pretty much all of
Speaker 4: my family members are still Catholic to this day. Once
Speaker 4: a year, I go on a Catholic men's retreat, as
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, put on by the Jesuits. Now
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that I like the Jesuit order of
Speaker 4: things and stuff, but the dudes are actually extremely well
Speaker 4: versed and knowledgeable about the Bible.
Speaker 2: It just means you're a fed, as people suggest.
Speaker 4: Clearly, clearly. I'm telling y'all. If I'm the fed, Jonathan's
Speaker 4: the handler. That's how this whole dynamic works.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about that. I always say, dude,
Speaker 2: I would be the worst handler. I can barely hand
Speaker 2: my own damn self.
Speaker 3: So the good cove you got going there, Jonathan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a facade over here. I'm actually brilliant.
Speaker 2: I just put off this dumb ass, this dumb ass
Speaker 2: vib over here.
Speaker 3: You said it.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, that's what they say about Trump, right,
Speaker 2: he sounds like a dumbass, but he's actually like a
Speaker 2: super genius or something like that.
Speaker 4: Who knows, right, But Okay, So when I started looking
Speaker 4: into this research about the new Pope, I know some
Speaker 4: stuff about Catholicism. I am not like the all knower
Speaker 4: of all the things here. I know, you know a
Speaker 4: little bit but I thought it was crazy that they
Speaker 4: went into conclave and then the next day announced the pope,
Speaker 4: like granted, and not all of them last for forever.
Speaker 4: The longest on record lasted damn here three years, okay,
Speaker 4: and that was way back fifteen hundreds were not mistaken,
Speaker 4: and they got so mad at it. Three three freaking
Speaker 4: cardinals died in the process of electing that pope because
Speaker 4: they took sue damn long. Then the people pretty much
Speaker 4: barricaded the conclave, ripped open the roof, and only fed
Speaker 4: them bread and water until they made a fucking decision.
Speaker 2: You know, you know. He was actually elected on my birthday,
Speaker 2: May eighth. No shitn't that crazy, dude? Queen Elizabeth died
Speaker 2: the day that my son was born. Like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck is going on with my life?
Speaker 3: That is wild?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm the Fed. I'm the Fed, the one
Speaker 4: with all the synchronicities and shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But okay, okay, So so to further that point here,
Speaker 4: he was elected on the second day with the fourth ballot.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Now, the last time that that happened was actually with
Speaker 4: Pope Benedict. The shortest on record, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 4: was Pope John Paul. He got elected on the first
Speaker 4: go round, first vote. They threw his name in the hat,
Speaker 4: and he was a wild card. Nobody really knew much
Speaker 4: about him before everybody unanimously decided that this is the guy.
Speaker 4: So all right, kind of the same situation with this guy. Now,
Speaker 4: he was known within the cardinal circles. He was known
Speaker 4: throughout the Order of Saint Augustine or Augustine, however you
Speaker 4: want to pronounce it. We will talk about that order
Speaker 4: because as we talk about hermeticism, i e. Hermit's, the
Speaker 4: Order of Saint Augustine is known as a Hermit order
Speaker 4: in certain circles. So we're gonna talk about all We're
Speaker 4: gonna talk about all it. But I thought it was
Speaker 4: kind of crazy that they elected this guy right out
Speaker 4: the rip. I mean, damn near two days, four votes
Speaker 4: and they knew this was him. And it wasn't by
Speaker 4: a small margin either. He was like ninety percent in
Speaker 4: favor of him. And he's American, which which was seen
Speaker 4: as a taboo. I know, we talked about possibly having
Speaker 4: the first black pope, and yes, there's gonna be people
Speaker 4: say we already had a black pope in the five hundreds. No, dude, No, dude,
Speaker 4: just because he was from Egypt doesn't mean he was black. Like,
Speaker 4: look at Egyptians today.
Speaker 3: Most of them are not ebony.
Speaker 4: Okay, most of them look a little off shade of
Speaker 4: Arabian first of all.
Speaker 2: Like here's the crazy thing. And yeah, I know that
Speaker 2: this pope is from America or whatever, but you're talking
Speaker 2: about a place, well, is the Vaticans. Not in Italy
Speaker 2: technically it's its own thing, but essentially Italy, right, And
Speaker 2: I can't imagine very many black people. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: very many Asian people. I can't imagine very many Latino
Speaker 2: people that are living in Italy, right. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: I know the phonetics with the language and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Technically they're Latino, Latina whatever. I'm not talking about that
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like it's mainly Italians.
Speaker 3: By and large.
Speaker 4: Yes, But I mean Rome is kind of one of
Speaker 4: those global melting pods. And I will give it that,
Speaker 4: But I mean we're not talking about there being like
Speaker 4: a third of the population of Rome is from Africa,
Speaker 4: Like nah, not even close here, bro, But like to say,
Speaker 4: like Paris, Rome, Berlin, New York, Like there's these big,
Speaker 4: big melting pots of like global trade, global economy, big
Speaker 4: ancient sites, historical sites like this. Yeah, you'll you'll have
Speaker 4: people from all over like no doubts. But that being said,
Speaker 4: there was a conversation about potentially having the first Filipino pope.
Speaker 4: There was a conversation about the first black pope, like
Speaker 4: actually sub Saharan black pope. Okay, there's all these different
Speaker 4: conversations and some of them actually stood a good chance.
Speaker 4: Then this guy pulls out of nowhere. He was not
Speaker 4: on anybody's bingo card. He was not on anybody's top
Speaker 4: ten list of potential new popes. Oh, this guy might
Speaker 4: be like seventh in line of the ten. Nobody had
Speaker 4: any guesses that this guy was going to do anything.
Speaker 3: The reason being is that he is.
Speaker 4: American, and the entire world doesn't like that America holds
Speaker 4: the reins of power on everything anyway. And I know
Speaker 4: there's gonna be a bunch of people say that's true,
Speaker 4: America doesn't hold the power, blah blah blah, Yes we do,
Speaker 4: Yes we do. There's a reason why all other countries
Speaker 4: on Earth know who our president is. No one in
Speaker 4: America gives a fuck who president of any other country is.
Speaker 4: There's a reason for that.
Speaker 2: Kind of funny too, about how jd Vance sees him
Speaker 2: a day or two before he dies Francis and then
Speaker 2: the next pope is an American that's white.
Speaker 4: The coincidence kind of interesting, isn't it? Kind of weird
Speaker 4: how that plays out. But we're gonna talk about all
Speaker 4: of it here. We are going to break it all down.
Speaker 4: This episode is going to be extremely video and article heavy.
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Speaker 4: Maybe indeed, Now with that being said, we're gonna play
Speaker 4: a couple of different clips, a couple of different videos,
Speaker 4: some from the man himself, some people kind of responding
Speaker 4: to some stuff about it.
Speaker 3: So this is.
Speaker 4: Reactions from Rome as Chicago born cardinal elect new or
Speaker 4: elected new Pope is from CBS Chicago's Let's Listen in.
Speaker 5: Our Vince Gerisoli was at the Vatican when the Chicago
Speaker 5: native became Pope.
Speaker 6: Vince has had a long day and night, but he
Speaker 6: is with us live now and Vince tell our viewers
Speaker 6: what it was like to witness that moment in person.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 7: I got Tiary just to be a part of history,
Speaker 7: first of all, but to also be part of just
Speaker 7: such a hopeful moment. I mean, there were one hundred
Speaker 7: thousand people gathered in Saint Peter's Square the avenues leading
Speaker 7: up to it, and they all were there for one purpose,
Speaker 7: to unite behind a person and a faith, an idea
Speaker 7: that brings people together and has us there for one another,
Speaker 7: for our brothers and sisters. That was really something extra special.
Speaker 7: And I don't think I'm going to forget that feeling
Speaker 7: anytime soon. I'm not going to forget how I felt also,
Speaker 7: and I'm sure you feel the same way when we
Speaker 7: heard that there's an American pope and guess what. He
Speaker 7: was born in Dalton and raised in Dalton, went to
Speaker 7: Saint Mary the assumption.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got a pope.
Speaker 7: From Chicago, and that's really nifty, that's really cool. And
Speaker 7: among the prestigious universities and institutions where he studied.
Speaker 3: He also studied in Hyde Park.
Speaker 7: At the Catholic Theological Union and those ties to Chicago
Speaker 7: are important, but we also have to say that he
Speaker 7: spent a good portion of his career away from the
Speaker 7: city of Chicago, specifically in Latin America and in Peru,
Speaker 7: working really with the poorest of the poor, and that
Speaker 7: really opens a window into what his worldview is and
Speaker 7: what his views are as a Catholic, and probably what
Speaker 7: his views will be as the pontiff, as the person
Speaker 7: who leads the church forward. Just an idea of the
Speaker 7: person he is. He speaks five languages. When he stepped
Speaker 7: out in front of Saint Peter's today on the balcony,
Speaker 7: he spoke three. He spoke Latin, he spoke Italian, and
Speaker 7: he also spoke Spanish. In fact, a lot of the
Speaker 7: cardinals who come from Latin speaking countries were known to
Speaker 7: say he's one of us. That's extremely important. The Pope
Speaker 7: has to be an administrator. So let's take a look
Speaker 7: at his job as an administrator. He's made a cardinal
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty three. He came here to the Vatican
Speaker 7: and he was responsible. It's this big fancy word. He
Speaker 7: worked in the Dicastro for the office that was sort
Speaker 7: of recruiting bishops, vetting bishops. What did that do for him?
Speaker 7: That gave him a chance to form one on one
Speaker 7: relationships with a good portion of the people who are
Speaker 7: driving the Catholic Church right now? Who are the people
Speaker 7: who are deciding what's important for their individual communities and
Speaker 7: also for the people who are following sort of a
Speaker 7: pastoral path.
Speaker 4: Real quick, I'm going to keep playing here in a second,
Speaker 4: but i just want this to be understood. For the
Speaker 4: past decade, give or take, he was put in charge
Speaker 4: of vetting and deciding who would become bishops for the
Speaker 4: Catholic Church. Now, nothing inherently wrong with that, but understand
Speaker 4: that this also means that now that he is pope,
Speaker 4: he himself decided who would be working directly under him
Speaker 4: at varying levels of management for the last decade or so.
Speaker 4: So as we're talking about power plays and like stacking
Speaker 4: the deck in your favor, I'm just I'm throwing that out.
Speaker 3: We're going to get more into it, but I just
Speaker 3: put a pin in that one.
Speaker 4: It's going to come into play here in a minute
Speaker 4: when we talk about Francis and how this guy even
Speaker 4: got to be a cardinal in the first place.
Speaker 3: But we'll get there.
Speaker 7: And That's one of the things that his predecessor, Pope
Speaker 7: Francis worked so hard on was to make sure that
Speaker 7: those who were in positions as cardinals or as bishops
Speaker 7: were also pastors.
Speaker 8: So we need to celebrate the fact that.
Speaker 7: He's an American, but also keep these other facts in
Speaker 7: mind and how that might influence his worldview and the
Speaker 7: direction the church takes in the future.
Speaker 5: Vince, everyone is watching and in a way, I guess
Speaker 5: you could say the world is watching and listening. So
Speaker 5: what happens next? How does this work for a brand
Speaker 5: new pope to go out knowing that everyone is listening
Speaker 5: looking for clues about how he will handle his papacy,
Speaker 5: what happens next, and how will we learn ultimately what
Speaker 5: he's going to do or potentially change moving forward.
Speaker 7: Well, I think one of the most important things is
Speaker 7: the same thing we do with the President of the
Speaker 7: United States. Where is the first country that the president
Speaker 7: visits and what message does the president want to give
Speaker 7: with that visit? And that's something that we will look
Speaker 7: toward with this pope. It wasn't his first visit, but
Speaker 7: we do know that Pope Francis, his predecessor, visited Asia
Speaker 7: to help spread the message that even though the Catholic
Speaker 7: population in Asia was quite small, it was an important
Speaker 7: place for growth. So I would say that would be
Speaker 7: one of the most important things to see with Pope
Speaker 7: Leo is where will he visit, what will his outreach be?
Speaker 7: And also take a look at some of his next appointments.
Speaker 7: There will be vacancies for cardinals and bishops, and that
Speaker 7: will be very telling in the months ahead.
Speaker 3: Indeed, it will be. Now, like I said, just a
Speaker 3: little quick.
Speaker 4: Brief overview of him himself, but we are going to
Speaker 4: talk more about him in a second. Now, this is
Speaker 4: from the Associated Press, and I understand they are super
Speaker 4: liberal leaning. Fine, fine, but this kind of information is
Speaker 4: something that honestly doesn't matter what your political leanings are.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about what is a conclave?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So what to knowe about the secretive process to elect
Speaker 4: the new pope before we read this, Jonathan, what do
Speaker 4: you currently like know or understand about the College of
Speaker 4: Cardinals and how this process works?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Jack and shit?
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, and most people don't right,
Speaker 4: most people know that, Like, yeah, the dude with the
Speaker 4: red yamicas get together and they release some white smoke
Speaker 4: or some black smoke.
Speaker 3: And that's about all that everybody really knows, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, So let's go into detail a little bit and
Speaker 4: learn about the Conclave of Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Okay. A conclave is the centuries old election of a
Speaker 2: pope that derives its name from the Italian conclave with
Speaker 2: a key to underscore that cardinals are sequestered until they
Speaker 2: find a winner. Cardinals have no contact with the outside world.
Speaker 2: After the Master of liturgical ceremonies utters the words extra
Speaker 2: omnies omnis uh, the Latin phrase for all out, to
Speaker 2: ask all those present except the cardinal electors to leave
Speaker 2: Assistine Chapel to begin the voting process. In between votes,
Speaker 2: the cardinals will be staying at the Doma Santa Marta
Speaker 2: hotel in Vatican City and possibly another nearby Vatican residents,
Speaker 2: since there are more cardinal electors than Santa Marta hotel rooms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've actually got quite a few cardinals, more than
Speaker 4: I thought they did, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: But let's keep going here. How will it work?
Speaker 2: So the conclave begins on May seventh in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: The day begins with Mass celebrated in the morning by
Speaker 2: the Dean of the College of Cardinals. Cardinal Giovanni Battista,
Speaker 2: Cardinal Giovanni, Reverend Giovanni Batista. I guess in the afternoon,
Speaker 2: the cardinals process into the Sistine Chapel and take their seats.
Speaker 2: A priest delivers a meditation, and the cardinals take an oath.
Speaker 2: I think that's supposed to be mediation, isn't it?
Speaker 3: No, that would be meditation.
Speaker 2: Interesting? And anyhow, after the extra omnes.
Speaker 3: How did you say that extra omnis?
Speaker 2: Honest? Okay? The conclave begins unless there are any outstanding
Speaker 2: questions problems. Cardinals take a single vote the afternoon of
Speaker 2: May seventh, seeking two thirds majority. If they don't find
Speaker 2: a win winter on the first ballot, they retire for
Speaker 2: the evening in the return and return to the Sistine
Speaker 2: Chapel the following morning. They can take up the two
Speaker 2: votes each morning in two each afternoon until they have
Speaker 2: a winner. So who gets to be part of the
Speaker 2: conclave would be Only cardinals under the age of eighty
Speaker 2: are eligible to vote. Current regulations notionally limit the number
Speaker 2: of electors to one hundred and twenty, but popes often
Speaker 2: exceeded that ceiling, and today there are one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty five who are eligible, those cardinals who are over
Speaker 2: eighty but can't vote, but can participate in pre conclave
Speaker 2: meetings known as general congressions, in which church problems are discussed.
Speaker 2: It was in these meetings in twenty thirteen that then
Speaker 2: Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergolglio spoke about the need for the
Speaker 2: church to go to the existential peripheries to find those
Speaker 2: who suffer, and off the cuff speech that helped his election.
Speaker 4: Jorge Mario Bergoglio would be what we would now call
Speaker 4: Pope Francis. So as of now, there is one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty five cardinals, okay, and I mean that are
Speaker 4: eligible now, Like you was saying here, if you've got
Speaker 4: a cardinal who's been there for forever and he's over eighty,
Speaker 4: he's actually not allowed to vote. He's allowed to be
Speaker 4: a part of the discussion and everything, but they have
Speaker 4: to at least be somewhat of sound mind. And they
Speaker 4: actually put age restrictions on that not too terribly long ago.
Speaker 4: But so one hundred and thirty five dudes wide in
Speaker 4: to elect Pope Leo the fourteenth.
Speaker 2: So are there major differences between this conclave and the
Speaker 2: previous ones, so Saint John Paul the Second rewrote the
Speaker 2: regulations on papal elections in nineteen ninety six, document that
Speaker 2: remains largely enforced today, though Pope Benedict the sixteenth amended
Speaker 2: it twice before he resigned. Francis didn't introduce any changes
Speaker 2: into the conclave. It's though his influence will surely be felt,
Speaker 2: given he named one hundred and eight of the one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five cardinal electors who are eligible to vote.
Speaker 4: So let's let's just make sure we don't speed bump
Speaker 4: on past that here.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Of the one hundred and thirty five cardinals that went
Speaker 4: to vote, one hundred and eight of them were directly created,
Speaker 4: which is the term for that, you know, like make
Speaker 4: someone a pope or like bless them, you create a cardinal.
Speaker 3: That's that's the actual term for it.
Speaker 4: So one hundred and eight of the one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty five of these dudes in red were literally put
Speaker 4: there by probe Francis, who was the most liberal leaning
Speaker 4: pope that we have had through human history.
Speaker 2: Which makes sense when we're talking about this guy, now, it.
Speaker 3: Does, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: I Mean, you're talking about sends up dude, talking about
Speaker 2: stacking the deck, I mean, one hundred and eight of
Speaker 2: the one hundred and thirty five that is, that's gotta
Speaker 2: be like ninety percent right close to it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if it's actually nine or
Speaker 3: if it's more like eighty five. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm had it somewhere in there.
Speaker 4: The point would be as far as needing a two
Speaker 4: thirds majority, and you have stacked the deck this heavily.
Speaker 4: You just got to make sure that you put your
Speaker 4: boys in place where you want them, and it will
Speaker 4: ensure a legacy positive or negative, to go onto the future. Now,
Speaker 4: the current pope is being called a Francis junior, not
Speaker 4: necessarily a good thing to be called, but it is
Speaker 4: a It is some of the third terms that are
Speaker 4: being thrown out at this time.
Speaker 3: But let's continue.
Speaker 2: So one hundred and eight divided by one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty five is actually eighty percent. That is eighty per Okay,
Speaker 2: Damn damn did we get that? Did I say eighty
Speaker 2: or ninety percent?
Speaker 4: You said ninety and I said if it was eighty
Speaker 4: or eighty five? I mean, oka like we were going
Speaker 4: to actually know that for a fact, But damn, one
Speaker 4: hundred and eight is eighty percent of one thirty five.
Speaker 3: Yep, this is why we need calculators, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I pulled that bad boy out. But anyway,
Speaker 2: Benedict's most notable change to the original nineteen ninety six
Speaker 2: document was to exclude the possibility that a pope could
Speaker 2: be elected by a simple majority of voting was stalemated,
Speaker 2: Benedict decreed the two thirds majority is always needed, no
Speaker 2: matter how long it takes. He did so to prevent
Speaker 2: cardinals from holding out for the twelve days foreseen by
Speaker 2: John Paul and then pushing through a candidate with a
Speaker 2: slim majority. If the conclave lasts that long, the top
Speaker 2: two vote getters go to a runoff, with a two
Speaker 2: thirds majority required to win. Neither of the top two
Speaker 2: candidates casts a ballot in the runoff.
Speaker 3: Makes sense, Yeah, well this did not go to a runoff.
Speaker 4: This was pretty landslide sweep as far as that's concerned.
Speaker 4: But it makes sense whenever you see who put them
Speaker 4: in that position.
Speaker 3: But we will continue.
Speaker 2: So, who is eligible to be elected pope? Any baptized
Speaker 2: Catholic mail is eligible to be pope? But since thirteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight, only cardinals have been selected. Cardinals over the
Speaker 2: age of eighty can be elected pope, even if they
Speaker 2: can't be in the room to cast a ballot. Right,
Speaker 2: this guy is actually relatively young in the seventies. He's
Speaker 2: like in his late sixties.
Speaker 4: I think I got more information about him pulled up
Speaker 4: on his own actual like his profile page on the
Speaker 4: College of Cardinal website. We're going to learn all about
Speaker 4: him in a bit. But it is very possible that
Speaker 4: this guy is going to be the leader of the
Speaker 4: Catholic Church for the next two, if not three decades.
Speaker 3: That's a real conversation.
Speaker 2: So this next part is actually pretty interesting because it
Speaker 2: ties into your boy, Pope Leo the fourteenth, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to find Okay, So I'll read this and then
Speaker 2: I'll read what I got as far as his views
Speaker 2: on women in the Vatican. So why aren't women part
Speaker 2: of the process? Says Francis. And popes before him have
Speaker 2: upheld the ban on ordaining women as priests, which precludes
Speaker 2: them from being pope. Under Catholic doctrine, the priesthood is
Speaker 2: reserved for men because Christ chose only twelve men as
Speaker 2: his apostles. The teaching is considered divinely inspired and infallible.
Speaker 2: So that leads us into what is his views on
Speaker 2: women in the church or women's roles in the church. Rather,
Speaker 2: so it says, while pop Leo the fourteenth opposes the
Speaker 2: ordination of women to the dia Khanate, so you say
Speaker 2: that diaconate anyway, he acknowledges the valuable contributions women make
Speaker 2: to the church. He has supported the inclusion of women
Speaker 2: in influential advert advisory roles, reflecting a commitment to expanding
Speaker 2: women's participation in church life without altering traditional doctrines. So
Speaker 2: he's not necessarily saying that they can be ordained by
Speaker 2: any means, but he's trying to get them a little
Speaker 2: bit of a boost within the church.
Speaker 4: There is a massive movement right now to try to
Speaker 4: get women ordained in the Catholic Church. And that's not
Speaker 4: a new thing. It's been something women have been pushing
Speaker 4: for for quite some time. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: take a weird side tangent on this one.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about the patriarchy. Come on, there's never
Speaker 2: going to be a woman in the patriarchy. That's just
Speaker 2: the way it is.
Speaker 4: But they're quoting the Bible as the reason why women
Speaker 4: can't hold a position of leadership within the church.
Speaker 3: There is.
Speaker 4: It's how could I put this not trying to be
Speaker 4: a dick. Yes, Jesus chose twelve.
Speaker 3: Apostles and they were all dudes.
Speaker 4: He also had female disciples that were very loyal to
Speaker 4: him who also helped preach.
Speaker 3: Uh, not to go that route.
Speaker 4: But John the Beloved and Mary Magdalene one of his
Speaker 4: other disciples, right, one of his most devout disciples. I
Speaker 4: might add, No, Well, they John the Beloved and Mary
Speaker 4: Magdalene may have gotten married. It's very possible.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about them, Jesus and.
Speaker 4: Mary Magdalene to not get married and have kids, say
Speaker 4: the Rosa Crucians. Yeah, look at the rest of their
Speaker 4: literature and then get back to me.
Speaker 3: But anyway, my.
Speaker 4: Point is they had a position within the church. But
Speaker 4: when the day and age was, when the Bible was
Speaker 4: being written, most women didn't know how to read. And
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that because it was just like they
Speaker 4: were hailed down. Most of them did not read. They
Speaker 4: most of them weren't taught.
Speaker 3: So to have a.
Speaker 4: Woman teaching you from a book that she can't read
Speaker 4: was seen as like no one's gonna listen to her.
Speaker 4: Could you imagine going to a calculus class with a
Speaker 4: guy who doesn't understand how math works.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of my teachers in high school
Speaker 2: were pretty fucking dumb.
Speaker 4: So maybe if exhibit a exhibit fucking ad.
Speaker 2: We did have. Actually, back in high school, we had
Speaker 2: the cousin I don't know if it was a cousin
Speaker 2: or sister to if you remember Glenn Dorsey, he played
Speaker 2: at LSU. I think he went to EA too, So
Speaker 2: in Pat's native and uh, dude, she taught like economics
Speaker 2: or something completely over her head and she couldn't even
Speaker 2: pronounce words regularly, like she was straight up like she
Speaker 2: started out as a substitute teacher and somehow weaseled her
Speaker 2: way into a permanent role and that class did not
Speaker 2: suit her.
Speaker 4: My point right now, this isn't teaching somebody some science,
Speaker 4: some math. We're talking about people's eternal salvation. And maybe
Speaker 4: if you're going to teach someone about it, maybe you
Speaker 4: should be able to read the literature yourself, right, read
Speaker 4: the literature and apply it and know the meaning and
Speaker 4: be able to you see my point? Now, Mary Magdalen
Speaker 4: could read actually, and so she was trusted to go
Speaker 4: with John the Beloved and preach to people. A woman
Speaker 4: preaching was seen as mind blowing at the time, but
Speaker 4: she could also quote the book the same way the
Speaker 4: men could. She wasn't chosen to be an apostle, but
Speaker 4: she was a varied about disciple.
Speaker 2: The way I see it is who cares, Like if
Speaker 2: the message is getting through, who cares who's saying.
Speaker 4: It, because it matters if it's telephoned, word of mouth,
Speaker 4: or if you're able to show them the paper and
Speaker 4: read it to them.
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about today's day and age, not back then.
Speaker 4: Right right, right, right, right, exactly exactly, Yes, I agree
Speaker 4: with you. Later on in the New test meant Paul
Speaker 4: all right, dude who wrote most of the New Testament,
Speaker 4: later on said, and I'm quoting here, a woman cannot
Speaker 4: hold a position of leadership over a man. Now, that
Speaker 4: alone is a cherry picks statement, and that alone could
Speaker 4: be misquoted to mean that, Yeah, no.
Speaker 3: Woman's going to rise at the top of this church. No.
Speaker 4: No, See, if you read who that letter was being
Speaker 4: written to, you would learn that the women at the
Speaker 4: town where that was addressed to also couldn't read, So
Speaker 4: he wasn't speaking about that on behalf of all of Christendom.
Speaker 4: He was speaking about this one particular group in general.
Speaker 4: In that same letter, he has like eight different women
Speaker 4: he called out for being amazing leaders, wonderful people as
Speaker 4: far as like portraying the message and all these things.
Speaker 4: So like as he is saying that, he's also giving
Speaker 4: certain women within that community their flowers, their props. It
Speaker 4: wasn't towards all women, but certain denominations have taken that
Speaker 4: to apply it to all women.
Speaker 3: That's where this kind of comes from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean whatever, it's Uh, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a tradition I guess at this point to not
Speaker 2: even you know, allow women to be ordained or whatever it's.
Speaker 4: I don't noticean faiths allow it. Most, not all, but
Speaker 4: most Protestant faiths allow women to be pastors, even if
Speaker 4: it's two only women congregations. Like if a woman just
Speaker 4: throwing this out, if you've got a weekend women's conference
Speaker 4: going on, I'm just being here. Maybe I'm just speaking
Speaker 4: on behalf of men here. Maybe we shouldn't be in
Speaker 4: the fucking room, dude. Maybe women should be ministering to
Speaker 4: other women because they know what the fuck other women
Speaker 4: might be going through that men have no fucking clue about.
Speaker 3: That's just me now.
Speaker 4: At the same time, if I'm at a men's conference
Speaker 4: or something, perhaps a woman shouldn't be preaching to.
Speaker 3: A room full of men. I might. I might be
Speaker 3: blowing people's minds right now, But that's just me. You see.
Speaker 4: I believe that there is a place, as far as
Speaker 4: pastor work goes in ministry for all people of all
Speaker 4: backgrounds and all sexes. There's two, by the way, but
Speaker 4: you see my point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's an old rule when they
Speaker 2: just haven't changed it kind of thing exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, they have nuns.
Speaker 4: They have nuns, which also, interestingly enough, the nuns being
Speaker 4: the sisters and things.
Speaker 3: They have friars or brothers of the of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: Our current pope was a friar that later became a
Speaker 4: priest and we're going to talk about the difference between
Speaker 4: the two as well, because honestly, I didn't know much about.
Speaker 3: That until today.
Speaker 4: But we're getting back to the message here. So long
Speaker 4: story short, why aren't women a part of the process?
Speaker 4: Long story short? Tradition and misquoted Biblical let's go.
Speaker 2: So the voting process is a secret. But Benedict tightened
Speaker 2: the oath of secrecy in the conclave, making clear that
Speaker 2: anyone who reveals what went on outside faces automatic excommunication.
Speaker 2: And John Paul's rules, excommunication was always a possibility, but
Speaker 2: Benedict revised the oath that liturgical assistants and secretaries take
Speaker 2: to make it explicit, saying they must observe absolute and
Speaker 2: perpetual secrecy and explicitly refrain from using any audio or
Speaker 2: video recording devices. They now declare in quotes, I take
Speaker 2: this oath fully aware that an infraction thereof will incur
Speaker 2: the penalty of automatic excommunication reserved to the Apolisticostolics. He
Speaker 2: Apostolic there we go. See, so help me God and
Speaker 2: these Holy Gospels which I touch with my hand.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So basically, what goes on in the College of Cardinals
Speaker 4: in the conclave stays in the conclave.
Speaker 3: And that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got Vegas rules. It's all good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So how does the conclave announce that they've selected a
Speaker 2: new pope? After the ballots are pierced, they are burned
Speaker 2: in a cylindrical stove at the end of the voting session.
Speaker 2: Black smoke from smoke from the Cystine chapel chimney means
Speaker 2: no decision. White smoke signals the cardinals have chosen a
Speaker 2: pope and that he has accepted. Chemical cartridges are added
Speaker 2: to ensure that there is no confusion over the color.
Speaker 2: To produce black smoke, a cartridge containing potassium per per chlorate,
Speaker 2: an thrust scene the component of coal, tar and sulfur
Speaker 2: is burned with the ballots. For white smoke, a cartridge
Speaker 2: of potassium chlorate, lactose and chloroform resin is burned with
Speaker 2: the ballots. Bells are also run to signal the election
Speaker 2: of a new pope. For further clarity, a new pope
Speaker 2: is introduced from the loggia overlooking Saint Peter Square with
Speaker 2: the words habbi habi mus papem, which means we have
Speaker 2: a pope and his chosen papal name. The new Pope
Speaker 2: then emerges and gives his first blessing, which we just
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 4: Saw indeed, indeed so real quick. Also a quick side
Speaker 4: bit of knowledge. Why do pope choose new names? Well,
Speaker 4: that wasn't always the case. The first guy to do that,
Speaker 4: as a matter of fact, was a dude whose given
Speaker 4: name was Mercury in the year five thirty three a
Speaker 4: d and at a time when they were still trying
Speaker 4: to leave the ways of ancient Rome behind them. You
Speaker 4: didn't want to have Pope Mercury being the guy, right,
Speaker 4: so he decided to take a new name. And since
Speaker 4: five point thirty three to now, when a new pope
Speaker 4: takes over, he leaves his birth name behind him and
Speaker 4: he takes on a new name. So that's kind of
Speaker 4: the the backstory to that one there.
Speaker 2: That is very, very extremely symbolic. Bro, Like this is
Speaker 2: can I just can I just give you a little
Speaker 2: symbolism right now before we forget. So I've been, dude,
Speaker 2: I've been deep diving on this number eighty eight because
Speaker 2: it keeps on popping up like crazy with with this
Speaker 2: new pope and the old pope and then of course
Speaker 2: what's his name from the World of World Economic Forum
Speaker 2: clouds swap, yeah, and there just seems to be eighty
Speaker 2: eight all over the damn place. So this pope gets it,
Speaker 2: gets elect on the eighth, which is okay, whatever, no
Speaker 2: big deal. But then there's also a lot of mercury
Speaker 2: symbol Mercury symbolism with the number eighty eight as well.
Speaker 2: This is where it gets really strange. So the uh
Speaker 2: it says, uh, this makes okay. So Mercury takes exactly
Speaker 2: eighty eight earth days to orbit the Sun. Did you
Speaker 2: know that?
Speaker 3: So one Mercury year is eighty eight earth days? I
Speaker 3: did not know that.
Speaker 2: Eighty eight days? Okay? And the first pope to go
Speaker 2: not by his real name was fucking Mercury.
Speaker 3: Are you shitting me? In five thirty three a d.
Speaker 2: You want to hear another fun fact? So this new pope,
Speaker 2: he's actually a fan. He's from Chicago. He's a huge
Speaker 2: White Sox fan, right shocker. So this is going to
Speaker 2: trip you the fuck out, bro. So let me try
Speaker 2: and find it here because I have a bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff all over the dan place.
Speaker 3: Okay, so share the screen?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'll just read it. So he's a
Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox fan. He's a lifelong supporter of the
Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox. Pope Leo the fourteenth was spotted attending
Speaker 2: the two thousand and five World Series, where the White
Speaker 2: Sox clinched their first championship in how many years? Go
Speaker 2: ahead and say it, oh, oh, hey, eighty eight years?
Speaker 2: He went to that game. Dude, what dude, I'm saying it.
Speaker 2: That's just a little taste. That's just a little taste
Speaker 2: of the eighty eights that we're going to be getting
Speaker 2: into today. Because it is absurd how many synchronous like coincidences, synchronous.
Speaker 2: He's whatever you want to call him with this eighty eight.
Speaker 2: It gets wild.
Speaker 3: Dude, I don't even know what to say to this.
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't either. I'm just like, why
Speaker 2: are we seeing this number all over the place?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: Well, I can't wait to hear even more about it,
Speaker 4: because I mean that, to be fair, we talked about
Speaker 4: the number eighty eight last week and the week before
Speaker 4: because we're events just keep on playing out and that
Speaker 4: number just keeps on coming up. I know my Southern
Speaker 4: red neckedness is coming out. When I think eighty eight,
Speaker 4: I think of Dale Earnhardt's car number when he was
Speaker 4: you know, he was number eight and then he became
Speaker 4: the eighty eight.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: But Klaus Schwab, he exits the world economic for him
Speaker 2: at eighty eight years old. Pube Francis dies at eighty
Speaker 2: eight years old. This new guy, like, what is going
Speaker 2: like the matrix is starting to glitch. I think a
Speaker 2: little bit, dude.
Speaker 4: I'm not even I'm not even trying to throw more
Speaker 4: weight into this. But to your point, second day of voting,
Speaker 4: fourth ballot, I.
Speaker 2: Was thinking that too. I didn't want to say.
Speaker 4: It, and it was on the eighth day of the month,
Speaker 4: Like I fuck me. Here we are, yeah, Like, what
Speaker 4: are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: The double infinity, the double or boros?
Speaker 4: Damn it, it's all symbolic, ladies and gentlemen, It's all
Speaker 4: part of.
Speaker 2: The plan, or should I say, for those that don't know,
Speaker 2: the ora boros the fucking snake eating its own tail.
Speaker 2: If that's not symbolic enough for you for the.
Speaker 3: Pope, yeap. All right, geez, here we go. So this
Speaker 3: is from the Vatican News.
Speaker 4: Is an article, and we're gonna kind of jump in
Speaker 4: and out of this one a little bit here. But
Speaker 4: this is a biography of Pope Leo the fourteenth, born
Speaker 4: Robert Francis Prevost.
Speaker 2: Okay, Bob, yeah, Bobby Probert. Oh, his middle name is Francis.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, isn't it interesting how that played out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, okay, So anyhow, the first Augustinian Pope, uh
Speaker 2: Leo the fourteenth is the second Roman pontiff after Pope
Speaker 2: Francis from the Americas, unlike Jorge Madiol Bogoglio. However, the
Speaker 2: sixty nine, oh sixty nine, okay, the sixty nine year
Speaker 2: old Robert Francis prevost is from the northern part of
Speaker 2: the continent, though he spent many years as a missionary
Speaker 2: in Peru before being elected head of the Augustinians for
Speaker 2: two consecutive terms.
Speaker 3: So quick, real quick. So he's only sixty nine years old.
Speaker 4: Now, I know that that seems old to a lot
Speaker 4: of people, a lot jo for sixty nine probably seems old.
Speaker 4: But like as far as being a pope goes, that's
Speaker 4: pretty young.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I don't at least
Speaker 2: in our lifetimes, we've only ever had really old popes.
Speaker 4: I mean, right, yeah, I mean since our lifetime we
Speaker 4: had John Paul, then Benedict and Francis. And I mean
Speaker 4: John Paul served for a good long while there. But
Speaker 4: I mean he also lived longer than most people expected.
Speaker 4: But I mean, even with nothing else, even if we
Speaker 4: are expecting him to go only to eighty eight like Francis,
Speaker 4: that means that he will be leading the Catholic Church
Speaker 4: for around twenty years, which is a lot. That's twenty
Speaker 4: years worth of things that he will be able to
Speaker 4: make happen. Okay, entire religious dogmas and practices that he
Speaker 4: will be able to change in that time.
Speaker 3: Now will he? Will he not?
Speaker 4: We're all speculating and hypothetical here, but let's talk more
Speaker 4: about this whole first Augustinian Pope, because I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: honest with you. I had never heard of the Augustinian
Speaker 4: Order before this guy. I had heard of the Order
Speaker 4: of jesus Aka or the Society of jesus Aka, the Jesuits.
Speaker 4: I had heard of the Society of mary Aka, the Mariuses.
Speaker 4: I had heard of these other groups within the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: Never heard of Augustinian as an organization, now, I know,
Speaker 4: saying Augustus or Augustine, Augustine, Augustine, whatever.
Speaker 3: You want to say.
Speaker 4: He was a big time writer as far as when
Speaker 4: Christianity became a thing. He was a He actually got
Speaker 4: to start in Neoplatonism, and then whenever he found his faith.
Speaker 4: He used the blending of philosophy with the actual biblical
Speaker 4: texts to formulate and describe what we now mostly call
Speaker 4: New christiandom, but we'll get to him in a moment.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Let's learn more about this.
Speaker 2: So the New Bishop of Rome was born on September fourteenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, in Chicago, Illinois, to Louis Marius Prevost
Speaker 2: of French and Italian descent and Mildrid Martinez of Spanish descent.
Speaker 2: He has two brothers, Louis Martin and John Joseph. He
Speaker 2: spent his childhood and adolescents with his family, and studied
Speaker 2: first at the Minor Seminary of the Augustinian Fathers and
Speaker 2: then at Villanova University in Pennsylvania, where in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: seven he earned a degree in mathematics and also studied philosophy.
Speaker 2: On September first of the same year, Provost entered the
Speaker 2: Novitate Novitiate I don't know of the Order of Saint
Speaker 2: Augustine and Saint Louis in the province of Our Lady
Speaker 2: of Good Council of Chicago, and made his first profession
Speaker 2: on September second, nineteen seventy eight. On August twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, he made his solemn vows.
Speaker 4: The real quick Let's learn a little bit about that
Speaker 4: Order of Augustine.
Speaker 3: All right, you were just a little quick backstory about it,
Speaker 3: you know, leg go.
Speaker 9: Saint Augustine, generally called Augustinians or austin Friars, is a
Speaker 9: Catholic religious order. It was founded in twelve fifty four
Speaker 9: by bringing together several aramitical orders in the Tuscany region
Speaker 9: who were following the Rule of Saint Augustine written by
Speaker 9: Saint Augustine of Hippo in the fifth century. In its establishment,
Speaker 9: in its current form, it was shaped as a mendicant order,
Speaker 9: one of the four great orders which follow that way
Speaker 9: of life. The order has done much to extend the
Speaker 9: influence of the Church, to propagate the Roman Catholic faith,
Speaker 9: and to advance learning. The order has in particular spread
Speaker 9: internationally the veneration of the Virgin Mary under the title
Speaker 9: of Our Lady of Good Counsel.
Speaker 3: So that was just the quick overture of it.
Speaker 4: But then there was this other video I wanted to
Speaker 4: show that I think actually does a pretty good job
Speaker 4: of showing the backstory of it, because real quick, do
Speaker 4: you even know who Saint Augustine is or Augustine?
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of this? Dude?
Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you that I do, sir.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, And to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: most Christians, even that if you're not Catholic, have really
Speaker 4: and maybe heard of him as like a history, uh
Speaker 4: spark note of it, but don't really know much about
Speaker 4: him or.
Speaker 3: What he did.
Speaker 4: So here's another video, and this is from the Augustinians.
Speaker 3: Of the UK, and let's learn a little bit more
Speaker 3: about our boy here.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're watching like Rocky one yo.
Speaker 4: As we're talking about Chicago, you're gonna bring up Rocky.
Speaker 10: The Order of Saint Augustine, or the Augustinians, are members
Speaker 10: of a Roman Catholic order that was founded in twelve
Speaker 10: forty four AD. This community includes friars, nuns, and lay people,
Speaker 10: following in the footsteps of Saint Augustine of Hippo, an
Speaker 10: early Christian theologian who shaped the foundations of modern Christianity
Speaker 10: and Western philosophy. Though born over sixteen hundred years ago
Speaker 10: in three point fifty four AD, Saint Agustston's restless heart
Speaker 10: still resonates deeply with people from around the world. Much
Speaker 10: of what we know of Saint Augustine today comes from
Speaker 10: his influential works, The Confessions and The City of God.
Speaker 10: In his youth, Augustine rebelled against piety and led a
Speaker 10: hedonistic lifestyle. Unsatisfied, he turned to a search for knowledge,
Speaker 10: devoting himself to the art of rhetoric. But over and
Speaker 10: over he found that no amount of knowledge or worldly
Speaker 10: pleasure could quiet his restless heart. In his masterpiece The Confessions,
Speaker 10: Augustine writes that the decisive moment in his conversion occurred
Speaker 10: in a garden in Milan, where he heard a child's
Speaker 10: voice bid him take up and read. He opened the Bible, and,
Speaker 10: reading Saint Paul's Letter to the Romans, experienced a moment
Speaker 10: of metanoia. He found new purpose in the word of
Speaker 10: Jesus Christ and committed himself to serving God and his people.
Speaker 10: He was baptized and eventually became a renowned theologian, bishop
Speaker 10: and doctor of the Church. His teachings laid the foundations
Speaker 10: for Christian thought and have inspired generations of men and
Speaker 10: women to devote their lives to Christ. Today, thousands of
Speaker 10: Friars serve in over forty seven countries on every continent
Speaker 10: of the world. Following the example of Saint Augustine, these
Speaker 10: men and women commit their lives to serving all of
Speaker 10: God's people and spreading community and charity throughout the world.
Speaker 4: All right, So there's a little bit more backstory about
Speaker 4: Saint Augustine and how this order was founded. Now again
Speaker 4: to give Saint Augustine or Saint Augustine, however you want
Speaker 4: to pronounce it. His Flowers homeboy was a very prolific
Speaker 4: philosopher and debater. I mean, we wouldn't have called a
Speaker 4: debate back then. It was the art of rhetoric back
Speaker 4: in the day. But he was digging into every.
Speaker 3: Philosophical and not even like I want to say, ancient
Speaker 3: mystery school by any means, but basically Socrates, Aristotle.
Speaker 4: Plato, Neoplatonism, all these things. And like they said, he
Speaker 4: lived a very hedonistic lifestyle for his earlier years up
Speaker 4: until I want to say he was like twenty five
Speaker 4: twenty six, he basically did as Thou wilt, as was
Speaker 4: the going way in Rome at the time. And then
Speaker 4: while I say that he was in Hippo or at
Speaker 4: least that's where he wrote his big works and everything,
Speaker 4: then whenever he found God, he actually ended up writing
Speaker 4: more books and more works on Christian thought and theology,
Speaker 4: in Christ than Paul did.
Speaker 3: He wrote more.
Speaker 4: Than our boy who wrote most of the New Testament
Speaker 4: did in a shorter span of time.
Speaker 3: So homeboy just like got to work.
Speaker 4: And not everything he wrote people get down with.
Speaker 3: I understand that, But a lot.
Speaker 4: Of what he wrote is a lot of how the
Speaker 4: early Church started formulating their thought process to understanding the
Speaker 4: mind of God and the philosophy behind it all. So
Speaker 4: mad props to him as a as a writer and
Speaker 4: as a theologian, but neither here nor there. The Order
Speaker 4: was founded to kind of further that work, and it's
Speaker 4: seen as a charitable organization. Now put a big pin
Speaker 4: in this one as well, because when we get to
Speaker 4: the controversy surrounding the current pope about his actions while
Speaker 4: he was working with the Augustinian Order, turning a blind
Speaker 4: eye to certain allegations and misconducts that were done, I
Speaker 4: want everybody to keep in mind how this Order was
Speaker 4: founded and what it was for. We're gonna get to
Speaker 4: it all in a bit anyway. All right, here we go,
Speaker 4: the future Pontiff. We talked about him with his education
Speaker 4: a little bit. Then in Rome he was ordained a priest. Okay,
Speaker 4: so he became a friar. First he was a monk,
Speaker 4: a brother, if you will, and then became a pre
Speaker 4: later on. Now it says he took those vows in
Speaker 4: eighty one and he became a priest in eighty two.
Speaker 4: So I actually didn't know much of the difference between
Speaker 4: between a friar and a priest, to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: I know that they both are guys that commit their
Speaker 4: life to the church, you know, and they take vows
Speaker 4: of chastity and poverty and all these things. And I
Speaker 4: know one guy can like perform rites and one guy can't.
Speaker 4: Like one dude can hear confessions and the other dude can't.
Speaker 4: But like, that's about all I really knew about it.
Speaker 4: Have you ever thought about this?
Speaker 2: Friars were the ones that are basically rocking like the scullet, right, Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: fucking weird guys. Yeah. I don't know too much about
Speaker 2: all of this, all the official kind of how they
Speaker 2: get down or whatever. I mean, it's I'm sure they
Speaker 2: have a reason for their occult like nature.
Speaker 4: Well, there you go, right, and so let's learn about
Speaker 4: it here. What is the difference between a friar and
Speaker 4: a priest?
Speaker 11: What is the difference between a friar and a priest.
Speaker 11: If you've ever found yourself wondering about the different roles
Speaker 11: within the Catholic Church, you're not alone. Let's break down
Speaker 11: the differences between a friar and a priest, two terms
Speaker 11: that are often confused but have distinct meanings. First, let's
Speaker 11: start with what they have in common. Both friars and
Speaker 11: priests are men who have dedicated their lives to serving
Speaker 11: the Catholic Church. However, their roles, lifestyles, and responsibilities can
Speaker 11: be quite different. A priest in the Catholic Church is
Speaker 11: a man who has received the sacrament of Holy Orders.
Speaker 11: This means he has the authority to celebrate the Mass,
Speaker 11: hear confessions, give absolution, and perform other sacraments. Priests can
Speaker 11: be associated with a diocese, a religious order, or a
Speaker 11: monastic community. For example, a diocesan priest works under the
Speaker 11: authority of a bishop and may own property or engage
Speaker 11: in various fas of ministry and administration. Now let's look
Speaker 11: at friars. A friar is a priest or a religious
Speaker 11: brother who is part of a mendicant religious order. The
Speaker 11: term friar comes from the Latin word frater, meaning brother.
Speaker 11: Friars live in communities called friaries and are known for
Speaker 11: their active ministry among the people. They preach, teach, care
Speaker 11: for the sick, and engage in various forms of service. Friars,
Speaker 11: such as Franciscans and Dominicans, take vows of poverty, chastity,
Speaker 11: and obedience to their superiors, known as provincials. Here's a
Speaker 11: key difference. Not all friars are priests. Some friars are
Speaker 11: religious brothers who have not been ordained but still live
Speaker 11: the consecrated life, following the same vows and lifestyle as
Speaker 11: friar priests. These brothers contribute to the community through various
Speaker 11: roles such as education, health care, or administrative tasks. In contrast,
Speaker 11: a priest who is not a friar might be a
Speaker 11: diocesan priest who works directly under a bishop and does
Speaker 11: not take vows of poverty. Diocesan priests can own property
Speaker 11: and engage in a wider range of activities outside their ministry.
Speaker 11: Another important distinction is where they live and work. Friars
Speaker 11: are often on the move, traveling to different places to
Speaker 11: carry out their ministry. Monks, on the other hand, live
Speaker 11: in monasteries and lead more stable, contemplative lives focused on
Speaker 11: prayer and work. Priests, depending on their role, might live
Speaker 11: in parishes, monasteries, or friaries. In summary, while both friars
Speaker 11: and priests are dedicated to serving the Church, the terms
Speaker 11: refer to different roles and lifestyles. Friars are part of
Speaker 11: mendicant orders, often engaged in active ministry among the people,
Speaker 11: and may or may not be priests. Priests in general
Speaker 11: have the authority to perform sacraments and can be associated
Speaker 11: with various forms of ministry within the church. Understanding these
Speaker 11: differences helps us appreciate the diverse ways in which individuals
Speaker 11: serve the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that kind of breaks that down a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of the friars kind of they dedicate their lives to
Speaker 4: the church, but they also haven't gone that extra step
Speaker 4: of whenever they get the ability to get the Holy
Speaker 4: orders right, they are able to then like when they
Speaker 4: say give the sacraments, they literally mean like celebrate the
Speaker 4: Eucharist for instance, Right, a friar or a monk is
Speaker 4: not going to preside over the bread and wine part
Speaker 4: of the mass. Okay, They're not going to lead a mass.
Speaker 4: They may assist in that order. They may go help
Speaker 4: the sick, they may go help the poor in some way,
Speaker 4: shape or form. But they're also not going to be
Speaker 4: there to give somebody last rites on their deathbed. They
Speaker 4: can't hear confession, they can't give absolution or you know,
Speaker 4: absolving somebody of their sins, which that is another part
Speaker 4: of the Catholic Church that I don't necessarily agree with,
Speaker 4: but I'm not here for that conversation. The monks and
Speaker 4: the friars are not going to do that. A priest
Speaker 4: gets their Holy orders and can do that. So there's
Speaker 4: a distinct difference. Right, the friar's female counterpart in the
Speaker 4: monkst female counterparts would be the nuns. Right, Friars live
Speaker 4: in a friary. Nuns live in a nunnery, neither of
Speaker 4: which can do the shit that a pop or a
Speaker 4: pope a priest can do, but they do other types
Speaker 4: of really important work, kind of behind the scenes for
Speaker 4: the church.
Speaker 3: Are we all on the same page?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 3: Awesome? All right?
Speaker 4: So in Rome he was ordained a priest in June nineteenth,
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, at the Augustrian College at Saint Monica
Speaker 4: by Archbishop Jean Jaudeaux, then pro president of the Secretariat
Speaker 4: for Non Christians, which later became the Pontifical Council for
Speaker 4: the Interreligious Dialogue and then the Dicastery for inter Religious Dialogue,
Speaker 4: So they keep changing the names. But long story short,
Speaker 4: he was a secretariat, a secretary for this group that
Speaker 4: wants to go out and reach non Christians essentially right right.
Speaker 2: So Prevos obtained his licentiate in nineteen eighty four, and
Speaker 2: the following year, while preparing his doctoral thesis, he was
Speaker 2: sent to the Augustinian Mission in Chulu Khanas, Perua, Peru.
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty seven, he defended his doctoral thesis on
Speaker 2: the role of the local Prior in the Order of
Speaker 2: Saint Augustine and was appointed Vocation Director and Missions Director
Speaker 2: of the Augustinian Province of Mother of Good Counsel in
Speaker 2: Olympia Fields, Illinois. Then he went on to mission in Peru.
Speaker 2: The following year he joined the mission in Trulio, also
Speaker 2: in Peru, as director of the Joint Formation Project for
Speaker 2: Augustinian candidates from the Vicarates Vicariates.
Speaker 4: There we go, I think Vicarates because like the vicar
Speaker 4: of Rome, Nourkoreates I don't fucking know.
Speaker 3: Yeah that of Trulikans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a lot of big words of chulcanas,
Speaker 2: equidos and eppurimac.
Speaker 3: Can't pronounce these Peruvian words. Tell me I can't either.
Speaker 2: No, no Peruvian women. On the other hand, I can
Speaker 2: pronounce that. That being said, over the course of eleven years,
Speaker 2: he served as prior of the community from eighty eight
Speaker 2: to ninety two, formation director from eighty eight to ninety eight,
Speaker 2: and instructor of professed members from ninety two to ninety eight,
Speaker 2: and in the Archdiocese of Trulio as judicial Vicar from
Speaker 2: eighty nine to ninety eight and professor of canon law,
Speaker 2: patristics and moral theology at the major seminary San Carlos
Speaker 2: East San Marcello. At the same time, he was also
Speaker 2: entrusted with the pastoral care of Our Lady Mother of
Speaker 2: the Church, later established as parish of Saint Rita from
Speaker 2: eighty eight to ninety nine, in a poor suburb of
Speaker 2: the city, and was parish administrator of Our Lady of
Speaker 2: Montserrat from ninety two to ninety nine. In ninety nine,
Speaker 2: he was elected Provincial of the Augustinian Province of Mother
Speaker 2: of Good Counsel in Chicago, and two and a half
Speaker 2: years later, the Ordinary General Chapter of the Order of
Speaker 2: Saint Augustine elected him as Prior General, confirming him in
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven for a second term.
Speaker 4: And in story short, he was the Dude in charge
Speaker 4: of the Augustinian Order at this time.
Speaker 2: In October of twenty thirteen, he returned to his Augustinian
Speaker 2: priveent province in Chicago, serving as Director of Formation at
Speaker 2: the Saint Augustine Convent, First Councilor and Provincial vicar, roles
Speaker 2: he held until Pope Francis appointed him on November three,
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, as I always fucking butcher that word appo apostolic, apostolic,
Speaker 2: I always want to say it weirder as Apostolic Administrator
Speaker 2: of the Peruvian Diocese of Chicklayo, elevating him to the
Speaker 2: episcopal dignity as titular Bishop of suffer. He entered the
Speaker 2: diocese on November seventh, and the presence of say it again,
Speaker 2: there we go Nancio James Patrick Green, who ordained him
Speaker 2: bishop just over a month later, on December twelfth, the
Speaker 2: Feast of Our Lady of Guadaloupe in the Cathedral of
Speaker 2: Saint Mary. His episcopal motto is in eo uno unum
Speaker 2: words pronounced by Saint Augustine and a servant on Psalm
Speaker 2: one twenty seven to explain that in quotes, although we
Speaker 2: Christians are many, in the One Christ, we are one.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 4: So we talk a little bit about him being a
Speaker 4: bishop in Peru for a bit. Then he was the
Speaker 4: Prefect of the Dicastry of Bishops. In January thirtieth, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, the Pope at the time, for instance, called
Speaker 4: him to Rome as Prefect of the Dicastry for Bishops
Speaker 4: and President of the Pontifical Commission for Latin America, promoting
Speaker 4: him to the rank of archbishop. Now what that means
Speaker 4: is that this guy was the dude in charge of
Speaker 4: naming who could and could not become bishop.
Speaker 3: Granted twenty twenty three to now, it's not a long time.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, he was definitely in charge
Speaker 4: of this, and he was he was a big player
Speaker 4: as far as his concern. Now again, all of this
Speaker 4: and nobody had them on the Bingo card. Nobody saw
Speaker 4: your boy pro Voste prevost as a potential real runner
Speaker 4: for the Pope. They just wasn't a thing. Maybe he
Speaker 4: wasn't loud enough. Maybe he was more about his business
Speaker 4: and not about the antics of it all.
Speaker 3: Or was he lying quietly in wait until the time came.
Speaker 2: He seemed like he was a h n I c
Speaker 2: at the time to me, So how this could have
Speaker 2: come from left field makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Right right? I don't know?
Speaker 2: So anyhow, he was created cardinal in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Pope Francis created him cardinal in the consist Story of
Speaker 2: September thirtieth that year and assigned him the Diaconate of
Speaker 2: Saint Monica. He officially took profession on it of it
Speaker 2: on January twenty, twenty twenty four. As head of Dicastri,
Speaker 2: he participated in the Pope's most recent a a postalico Apostolic,
Speaker 2: ah Postolic, not Apostolic? Okay, Apostolic like apple app apple,
Speaker 2: there we go, see Aostolic. You know, That's just how
Speaker 2: it is anyway, is.
Speaker 4: The only way I know how to pronounce it is
Speaker 4: again because growing up that is the prayer that is
Speaker 4: said in the mass A lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't grow up in church. I don't know
Speaker 2: these damn words.
Speaker 4: I feel you, dog, I feel you. And by the way,
Speaker 4: Apostolic just means Catholic.
Speaker 2: Can they just say that?
Speaker 4: Then that's easier, you would think, you would think, but
Speaker 4: they had to have a bunch of fancy Latin sounding
Speaker 4: words to mean everything.
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing, okay. So he participated in the
Speaker 2: Pope's most recent apostolic journeys and in both the first
Speaker 2: and second sessions in the sixteenth Ordinary General Assembly of
Speaker 2: the Synod Synod of Bishops on Snod Synodality, held in
Speaker 2: Rome from October fourth to twenty ninth and twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: and from October second to the twenty seventh twenty twenty four, respectively. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: on October fourth, twenty twenty three, Pope Francis appointed him
Speaker 2: as a member of the Dicastories for Evangelization, for the
Speaker 2: Doctrine of the Faith, for the Eastern Churches, for the Clergy,
Speaker 2: for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apolistic Apostolic
Speaker 2: There we go Life, for Culture and Education, for legislative Texts,
Speaker 2: and of the Pontifical Commission for the Vatican City State.
Speaker 3: Finally, real quick, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 4: So you're saying that in October twenty twenty three, the
Speaker 4: Pope named him the leader of all of that, all
Speaker 4: of these things like that was a long mouthful here, dude,
Speaker 4: evangelication and new particular churches, for the Doctrine of the Faith,
Speaker 4: for the Eastern Churches, for the clergy, for institutes of
Speaker 4: consecrated life and societies about Basolic life, for the culture
Speaker 4: and education, for legislative text, and for the Pontifical Commission
Speaker 4: of the Vatican.
Speaker 3: Season. Bro, your boy was wearing like fifteen hats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, when you're not allowed to get asks,
Speaker 2: you gotta get to work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You gotta keep them hands busy, dog, say.
Speaker 2: This is what happens when we don't have women in
Speaker 2: our life, We actually get shit done? Am I right?
Speaker 2: Am I right? Ah?
Speaker 3: I all just kidd here. I'm just going to look.
Speaker 3: Find me a poor gay couple and I'll call you
Speaker 3: a liar.
Speaker 2: I mean, you find him at Aka all the time,
Speaker 2: and that's not necessarily a poor place.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not top notch by any means, but
Speaker 2: you know, right right Anyhow, Finally, on February sixth of
Speaker 2: this year, the Argentine Pope promoted him to the Order
Speaker 2: of Bishops, granting him the title of the Suburbicarean Church
Speaker 2: of Albano. Three days later, on February ninth, he celebrated
Speaker 2: the mass presided over the Pope or over by Pope
Speaker 2: Francis and Saint Peter's where for the Jubilee of the
Speaker 2: Armed Forces, the second major event of the Holy Year
Speaker 2: of Hope. During the most recent hospitalization of his predecessor
Speaker 2: at the Gamelli Hospital, Privos presided over the rosary for
Speaker 2: Pope Francis his health and Saint Peter Square on March third.
Speaker 4: Okay, so again, it's not like your boy came out
Speaker 4: of nowhere. He's been at the Vatican for quite some
Speaker 4: time and he had quite a long history as far
Speaker 4: as this goes. Now, let's talk a little bit more
Speaker 4: about his background with the Augustinian Order here, because some
Speaker 4: of his former friar brothers called him brother Bob. Yeah,
Speaker 4: old Bobert himself, and apparently everybody that knew him, even
Speaker 4: his brothers. There's so many different interviews with his brothers.
Speaker 4: He's got two of them, and they all say great
Speaker 4: things about him. Everybody says how just solid of a
Speaker 4: guy he was. Let's listen into more.
Speaker 6: It's here in our area there is growing interest to
Speaker 6: learn more about the pope and his plans for his
Speaker 6: papacy's shedding some light on that. A friar from the
Speaker 6: Bronx who has known and worked with Pope Leo for
Speaker 6: more than two decades, I would have seen supporter Anthony
Speaker 6: Carlo Is outside Saint Nicholas of Tolentine in University Heights
Speaker 6: with that part of our coverage.
Speaker 8: Anthony wells long before Pope Leo the fourteenth was elevated
Speaker 8: to pontiff, and even long before he was bishop, he
Speaker 8: was a priest and a friar. In fact, as you mentioned,
Speaker 8: a couple of friars. His fellow friars reside here at
Speaker 8: Saint Nicholas of Tolentine in the Bronx. They tell me
Speaker 8: they never expected to see one of their own hold
Speaker 8: the highest position in the Catholic Church. But they told
Speaker 8: me this is the greatest moment of their lives. When
Speaker 8: Pope Leo the fourteenth emerged, he was shrouded in mystery
Speaker 8: for so many Catholics, eager to know more about the
Speaker 8: new leader of their church. But for Father Luis Vera
Speaker 8: at Saint Nicholas of Tolentine in the Bronx, it was
Speaker 8: like seeing an old friend.
Speaker 12: When I heard his name, I shocked, and then when
Speaker 12: he came out to the balcony, it was seeing it
Speaker 12: was like seeing your brother, your relative.
Speaker 8: That's because Father Vera has known Pope Leo for twenty
Speaker 8: five years. Both friars Pope Leo formerly Father Robert Prevost
Speaker 8: served as the head of the Augustinian Order.
Speaker 12: We sat together at the same table. He has a
Speaker 12: great sense of humor. He loves that friendship and that
Speaker 12: unity among the brothers. He is one of us.
Speaker 8: I'm a son of Saint Augustin some of Pope Leo
Speaker 8: the fourteenth first words appealing directly to his roots.
Speaker 12: We walk together, we journey together. I think that will
Speaker 12: be the message that he will give to all of us.
Speaker 8: A picture of the first us born Pope placed with
Speaker 8: pride in Saint Joseph's seminary in yonkers.
Speaker 13: Warriman to the Father and to the Son and to
Speaker 13: the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 8: Where Salvatore Soma is studying to become a priest.
Speaker 13: To you know, understand American culture and the American situation
Speaker 13: and you know American Catholicism and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 13: really it's I mean, it's really amazing, you know, to
Speaker 13: have a pope that I can look to and it's like, oh,
Speaker 13: he understand where I'm coming from.
Speaker 8: Vocations to the priesthood have steadily declined in the US
Speaker 8: from nearly sixty thousand in nineteen sixty five to just
Speaker 8: thirty three thousand, five hundred and eighty nine in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty four, but that Father Vera says could change.
Speaker 3: It might.
Speaker 12: Wakeman up to think about something they hadn't even been
Speaker 12: thinking about, because suddenly now you encounter it.
Speaker 3: A moment in history.
Speaker 8: Father Verus there tells me when he was in the
Speaker 8: seminary back in the eighties, he said there were so
Speaker 8: called Pope John Paul the second Seminarians who were inspired
Speaker 8: by the Pope at that time to enter the priesthood.
Speaker 8: We'll see if Pope Leo the fourteenth has the same impact.
Speaker 8: But we do know that he taught for some years
Speaker 8: in the seminary, so he certainly understands discernment and vocations.
Speaker 4: Okay, so from former brothers of his, and I didn't
Speaker 4: realize that he actually taught at the seminary school, so
Speaker 4: he was teaching dudes how to become priests. Like I mean,
Speaker 4: he he has no slouch in the ways and the knowledge,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he seems pretty well read. I mean,
Speaker 2: he seems to be liked by the people that were
Speaker 2: around him. Okay, Well, so.
Speaker 3: Now this is a quick thing.
Speaker 4: It's his This is the new Pope's devotion to Saint Augustine.
Speaker 4: And it's a it's a quick little video here, but
Speaker 4: it also is from a few years back, but they
Speaker 4: just kind of resurfaced now talking about what he feels
Speaker 4: as far as the Augustine way, if you will, so
Speaker 4: no onfilio. Okay, So I'm just gonna read it here
Speaker 4: because he had he came out and started it in English,
Speaker 4: then he moved into Italian, and then he spoke in Spanish.
Speaker 4: So it says, I am a son of Saint Augustine
Speaker 4: and Augustinian who once said with you, I am a
Speaker 4: Christian for you, I am a bishop, which I like
Speaker 4: that personally is nice, sounds nice.
Speaker 2: So typically do Catholics consider themselves Christians? I thought that
Speaker 2: was yes. Okay, so.
Speaker 4: Most and by most I mean like ninety nine percent
Speaker 4: of Catholics acknowledge that they are Christians. Okay, so basically,
Speaker 4: if you acknowledge that Jesus is the son of God,
Speaker 4: and that he died on the cross and rose again
Speaker 4: and walked the earth, and he is still living to
Speaker 4: this day, then you acknowledge yourself to be a Christian.
Speaker 4: I have heard Catholics say that, no, I'm a Catholic,
Speaker 4: I'm not a Christian because they think that Christian means
Speaker 4: a Protestant title, even though that's not correct.
Speaker 2: But they're more proud of the Catholic title than they
Speaker 2: are of the Christian title, it seems.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So anyway, it says in this spirit, maybe all
Speaker 4: walk together toward that homeland that God has prepared for us.
Speaker 2: Typical pope speak, I would think.
Speaker 3: You know, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 4: He's trying to get the people, get the people going, oh,
Speaker 4: here we are.
Speaker 14: One of the reasons that The Confessions continues to be
Speaker 14: one of the widest read books in the history of
Speaker 14: the world is precisely because of Augustine's insight into human experience,
Speaker 14: and he does a magnificent job of communicating both his
Speaker 14: own experience and what he lived, and how that experience
Speaker 14: can indeed be a window, if you will, an opening
Speaker 14: to discovering a personal experience of God.
Speaker 4: Real quick, just for everybody who's listening instead of watching.
Speaker 4: What you're hearing now is the current Pope circa twenty
Speaker 4: twelve speaking about Saint Augustine's This is actually him himself
Speaker 4: speaking in English now.
Speaker 14: In human life, Augustin and the Confessions talks about friendship,
Speaker 14: talks about family, talks about the importance of his mother,
Speaker 14: talks about his father, talks about human ambition, talks about
Speaker 14: so many different aspects of human life, and then goes
Speaker 14: on to explain how these things helped or did not
Speaker 14: help his own personal pathway to discovering God and to
Speaker 14: discovering what He is really holy about life. In the
Speaker 14: highly individualistic society that people are growing up in, people
Speaker 14: think that my experience is the criteria. Am I happy
Speaker 14: or I'm not happy? What that might really be is
Speaker 14: do I feel pleasure or don't I feel pleasure? Or
Speaker 14: do I feel selfish? And if I feel okay, then
Speaker 14: that's all that matters. Certainly, Augustine's experience says that, well
Speaker 14: that isn't enough, and maybe what you're calling happiness isn't
Speaker 14: authentic happiness because you're going to lose that too. And
Speaker 14: most things that people seem to describe as well, why
Speaker 14: are you happy today are things that are either very
Speaker 14: superficial or at best important for a short period of time,
Speaker 14: but that aren't going to last forever. And Augustine gives
Speaker 14: some insight into helping people understand that having an experience
Speaker 14: of God brings you far beyond yourself, and that how
Speaker 14: an authentic experience of happiness has to include other people
Speaker 14: and has to include being concerned about other people, and
Speaker 14: those are elements that express, I think a very important
Speaker 14: part of the gospel message. It's not just about me
Speaker 14: and my experience of God either. You might have people say, oh,
Speaker 14: I have an experience of God and I don't have
Speaker 14: to do anything else. Well, then that's probably not an
Speaker 14: authentic experience of God, because, as we know from the Gospels,
Speaker 14: as we know from the Apostolic letters, if you love God,
Speaker 14: then you also need to be showing that by loving
Speaker 14: your neighbor, and that the two go hand in hand.
Speaker 4: Okay, so again, as far as who the guy is,
Speaker 4: the background of him, he seems like a solid jent
Speaker 4: you know, seems like a proper, proper priestly type dude.
Speaker 4: He's out here doing the right things for the right reasons,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's as popey as popes get.
Speaker 4: I think, well, at that point he was still a priest.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I see what you mean. That's but that's
Speaker 4: the background to him, you know. So, oht on as
Speaker 4: soon as this ad stops, all right, So I wanted
Speaker 4: to pull this up because I thought it was crazy.
Speaker 4: This was a super short conclave, or so I thought.
Speaker 4: So I also looked up it was this the shortest
Speaker 4: conclave ever? Two days? Like that seems crazy. They went
Speaker 4: into conclave in the afternoon. The following afternoon, they had
Speaker 4: a pope. Like that's got to be some kind of
Speaker 4: a record or something. Come to find out, not so much,
Speaker 4: but I find it interesting all the Well.
Speaker 15: Fourteenth is the first ever American to lead the Catholic Church.
Speaker 15: But this conclave felt really short.
Speaker 2: So how short was it?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 15: Could it be the shortest ever? Well, it's definitely, well
Speaker 15: the shortest in history, but not the shortest. Here's where
Speaker 15: this conclave ranks among the quickest in history. So one
Speaker 15: thirty three cardinals elected a new Pope lead to fourteenth
Speaker 15: on the fourth ballot on day two.
Speaker 4: One thirty three, one hundred and thirty three cardinals elected him.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you remember that number we said earlier
Speaker 2: was one hundred and thirty eight.
Speaker 4: So you're telling me five dudes out of one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty eight said somebody else. One hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: three of the one hundred and thirty eight said this
Speaker 4: is the guy on day two.
Speaker 2: Look, I think that the scripted things don't take time.
Speaker 4: Ah yes, making up was being put down, sir.
Speaker 2: Anybody remember how fast that COVID vaccine came out.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, just siying. Anyway, let's continue here. So
Speaker 4: that was the fourth ballot on day two. Also important
Speaker 4: to keep in mind as we listen to more of these.
Speaker 15: According to Vatican News, the shortest conclave ever that was
Speaker 15: back in fifteen oh three, right after Pope Pious third died,
Speaker 15: Hope Julius the Second was elected after just a few hours.
Speaker 15: He's known as the Warrior Pope, launching military campaigns and
Speaker 15: starting the rebuilding of Saint Peter's Basilica. Now to more
Speaker 15: recent examples, in two thousand and five, Pope Addict the
Speaker 15: sixteenth was chosen on the fourth ballots also on day.
Speaker 4: Two, fourth ballot, Day two, that was Pope Benedict. That's
Speaker 4: the guy that stepped down. The second pope in history
Speaker 4: to ever step down.
Speaker 3: Was elected as fast as this guy was. Okay, interesting
Speaker 3: to bring up. Also, this dude.
Speaker 15: In nineteen thirty nine, right before World War Two, Hope
Speaker 15: Pious to twelfth was elected on the third ballot again on.
Speaker 4: Day two two to that pope that was elected. That's
Speaker 4: the guy that helped Nazis escape through rat lines to Argentina.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 3: So he was elected very quickly as well.
Speaker 2: But you know, okay, you said he helped Nazis or
Speaker 2: he helped people escape from Nazis.
Speaker 4: No, he helped the Nazis, the guys that were murdering
Speaker 4: the Jews. He helped them escape to Argentina and Brazil
Speaker 4: through rat lines. That was all funded through the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: That was the pope that they just said.
Speaker 2: So you have a pope that helps Nazis escape, and
Speaker 2: then you have the first ever pope to step down,
Speaker 2: and now you have this guy all elected on the
Speaker 2: second day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting enough that the guy I'm talking about, if
Speaker 4: anybody wants to look it up. Pope Pious the seventh,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that's the twelfth, Pope Pious the twelfth. If
Speaker 4: you want to know an entire, entire rabbit hole to
Speaker 4: go down to. We've talked about Project paper Clip numerous times.
Speaker 4: We've talked about the Nazi and bohem mean colonies that
Speaker 4: are all over South America.
Speaker 3: There's over like fifty of.
Speaker 4: These people who are all super German, whose great grandfathers
Speaker 4: and grandfathers all came here with Nazi memorabilia and SS
Speaker 4: things on their collars, in the whole nine. And yes,
Speaker 4: we at the Cult of Conspiracy do believe that Hitler
Speaker 4: did escape to South America.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a thing that we believe in here.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a foregone conclusion, to be honest.
Speaker 3: Helped them do it. Yeah, wait, what did you say?
Speaker 2: No, I said, it's kind of like a foregone conclusion
Speaker 2: to me that he escaped to Argentina, that he didn't
Speaker 2: die in Germany.
Speaker 4: There's still people that argue that point, and it blows
Speaker 4: my mind, like it's there's so many documentaries and so
Speaker 4: much actual facts on this.
Speaker 2: But you know, well, whatever, those are the same people
Speaker 2: that believe Middle Easterners took down the Twin Towers.
Speaker 3: Fair, fair point.
Speaker 4: So yeah, anybody want to look set up on their
Speaker 4: own Pope Pious the twelfth and his ties to Nazis's
Speaker 4: it's a good, fascinating little deep die.
Speaker 15: But let's keep going on the third ballot again on
Speaker 15: day two. So yeah, this one was definitely one of
Speaker 15: the shorter ones in history. On the flip side, though,
Speaker 15: the longest comeclave ever back into twelve hundreds, it took
Speaker 15: almost three years. People were so frustrated they literally ripped
Speaker 15: the roof off and fed cardinals only bread and water
Speaker 15: until they made the decision. And thankfully, conclaves in recent
Speaker 15: decades have been lasting a shorter amount of time, typically
Speaker 15: taking two to three days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there you go, and that is the backstory here.
Speaker 4: There's more to that longest conclave in history, but we're
Speaker 4: not going to get into all of that. Is it's
Speaker 4: pretty funny. These dudes could not agree, and there was
Speaker 4: a lot of infighting and political reasons for all of this.
Speaker 4: Then the people, not the other priests, not the no no, no,
Speaker 4: the people got together and barricaded the doors and ripped
Speaker 4: off the roof and literally fed them bread and water
Speaker 4: and started cutting back on the amount of bread and water.
Speaker 3: Until they made a decision.
Speaker 4: Because at that time the Pope Hoole hailed a lot
Speaker 4: of sway as far as the royal families were concerned
Speaker 4: and all of those things. So it was a religious position,
Speaker 4: but way more of a political position at that time
Speaker 4: as well. But anyway, and that's the that was when
Speaker 4: Gregory the tenth was elected pope. If anybody wants to
Speaker 4: look into that history deep dive as well. Now I
Speaker 4: found this website here. This is the College of Cardinals
Speaker 4: report dot com. And yeah, it goes into a lot
Speaker 4: of his background and the things and the stuff, but
Speaker 4: we also see a little bit of his voting status
Speaker 4: and his sway and opinions on certain important topics for
Speaker 4: the day and age here. So he was born uh
Speaker 4: September fourteenth, nineteen fifty five. He is currently sixty nine
Speaker 4: years old. Again, that means that he literally has the
Speaker 4: I mean, of course, pope is a position that people
Speaker 4: typically die in, except for two examples of them not
Speaker 4: So he's going to be in this position for a
Speaker 4: very long time unless you know, something happens and his
Speaker 4: health fails. We already talked a little bit about his
Speaker 4: background with his you know, his college and his friarship,
Speaker 4: and then his priesthood and then his bishopship and then
Speaker 4: his archbishopship when he was created.
Speaker 3: Cardinal, all of the things.
Speaker 4: So let's just jump on down to where he stands
Speaker 4: on ordaining female deacons. He is opposed to this, Okay,
Speaker 4: So even still, while there's women that are holding up
Speaker 4: banners saying ordain women outside of Saint Peter's Basilica right now,
Speaker 4: he is still vehemently saying women don't belong there.
Speaker 2: For the next ten to twenty years, least.
Speaker 4: At least at least blessing same sex couples, he actually has.
Speaker 3: Gone more in favor, like Pope Francis has.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that they're gonna have gay marriages
Speaker 4: and Catholic churches, but they're also willing to acknowledge them
Speaker 4: within the Catholic faith. That's kind of a biggie, especially
Speaker 4: with the modern staunchness of Catholic people. Okay, Yes, there
Speaker 4: are certain countries that that's gonna be seen very positively,
Speaker 4: and there are certain countries that's going.
Speaker 3: To be seen very negatively.
Speaker 4: So as far as that goes, I don't believe that
Speaker 4: this is a thing that oh, tons of popes been
Speaker 4: like that in the past. Francis was kind of the first.
Speaker 4: And this guy, as they're saying, is going to be
Speaker 4: a Francis two point zero.
Speaker 3: It's starting to look that way.
Speaker 2: I mean, just from Chicago, you know he is.
Speaker 4: But also Charlie Kirk posted on x a print out
Speaker 4: or not print out a snapshot of your boy Robert
Speaker 4: Prevost now pop leo his voting record. He's a registered
Speaker 4: Republican and a pretty die hard Republican voter. As a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, throughout the years where he did vote
Speaker 4: in America. Yes, we lived in Peru, he didn't vote
Speaker 4: bah bah blah. But while he was living in America,
Speaker 4: I don't think there was one vote that he actually
Speaker 4: threw a dal on there.
Speaker 3: It was all ours.
Speaker 4: So I'm wondering if his time in Peru swayed him
Speaker 4: a bit. I'm wondering if his position in the Catholic
Speaker 4: Church swayed him a bit. I'm wondering if Francis got
Speaker 4: into his head with his liberal bullshit and kind of
Speaker 4: turned him in that regard. I don't know, but let's
Speaker 4: keep going here making priestly celibacy op Schnel. This is
Speaker 4: a thing that has been brought up before because I
Speaker 4: feel like you would have a lot more dudes going
Speaker 4: to be priests if they were allowed to be married.
Speaker 2: I mean, and yeah, we're not talking about having like
Speaker 2: some pimps out there. It's just like a guy who
Speaker 2: marries a woman and you know they make divine coitus.
Speaker 4: Indeed, I like that you said that that way too,
Speaker 4: right within the sanctity of marriage to people be fucking
Speaker 4: as they can and should. The Bible says to do it.
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, for everybody out there listening. The Bible's
Speaker 4: very clear about this, like you and your spouse need
Speaker 4: to be having lots of sex, like lots of it.
Speaker 4: It actually says to never withhold sex from your spouse
Speaker 4: except for during a time of fasting.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's clearly it, and I want that to go on record.
Speaker 4: People need to know this. God wants married people to
Speaker 4: have sex with each other. Like I know, that's a
Speaker 4: crazy thing that people might not know, but you need
Speaker 4: to hear it. So if nowhere else you're gonna hear
Speaker 4: it on the fucking cult conspiracy anyway, Yeah, buddy, restricting
Speaker 4: the Vedas Ordo, the old Latin Mass. He doesn't really
Speaker 4: say one way or another on this. I know a
Speaker 4: lot of people are hoping that he brings back the
Speaker 4: Latin Mass. I don't know if he's gonna because Francis
Speaker 4: could have been, should have en, didn't. But whatever Vatican
Speaker 4: China secret accords. So that one's kind of an interesting one.
Speaker 4: So China has a nationwide rule against religions, right, the
Speaker 4: Chinese Communist Party, the CCP, as we always bring up,
Speaker 4: and I will bring up until the day I die.
Speaker 2: Trump don't trust China.
Speaker 3: China is ass hoo.
Speaker 4: I think that that just needs to be said as
Speaker 4: often as humanly possible.
Speaker 2: Did you just never exit out that clip or did
Speaker 2: you pull it?
Speaker 3: Never? Will I ever? Never will I ever.
Speaker 4: I'm still finding a way of how I'm gonna put
Speaker 4: it on audio and put it on my soundboard. I
Speaker 4: gotta call the road cast people to see how to
Speaker 4: do that, or read the manual, but you know I
Speaker 4: don't be liking to read. But anyway, beside the point,
Speaker 4: So China has thrown so many priests into prison, okay,
Speaker 4: and I mean it's not just Catholic priests. Pretty much
Speaker 4: anybody that goes to China for missions work has to
Speaker 4: go super undercovered because if you're shown it by anybody
Speaker 4: that you are preaching or spreading religious doctrine in China,
Speaker 4: you're realistically either going to be killed or get life
Speaker 4: in prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll get down with religion out there, more philosophy driven,
Speaker 2: like they get down with Daoism and shit like that.
Speaker 2: But as far as religion goes, nah, not.
Speaker 3: So much, not so much.
Speaker 4: Right, So the Vatican China Secret Accords, seeing if he
Speaker 4: and g got a little backdoor deal, burning still a
Speaker 4: question mark on that one. Promoting a synatical or snodal church. Okay,
Speaker 4: now what is the evidence for this? Prevas is a
Speaker 4: strong supporter of sindality, probably mispronouncing that he has been
Speaker 4: described as a vocal proponent of Pope Francis's emphasis on
Speaker 4: making the church structure more inclusive and participsy seeing sidnatality, siddonality.
Speaker 2: Yes, sidnality, what side anality, it looks like sidonality.
Speaker 3: There you go. As a way to address polarization within
Speaker 3: the church.
Speaker 4: He connects signedality with the need for consultation and lay involvement.
Speaker 4: So he's trying to make it way more inclusive, and
Speaker 4: by that they do mean the multi gender, the same
Speaker 4: sex marriage, all these things. He's for including more people
Speaker 4: into the church, which I understand because Catholic attendance in America,
Speaker 4: not across the entire world, but in America is on
Speaker 4: the downtick. It is taking off in Africa and in
Speaker 4: South America right now. And mark my words, we will
Speaker 4: see a revival in the Asian countries probably within the
Speaker 4: next fifteen years. China maybe, but I'm also seeing the
Speaker 4: other ones as well, but that seems to be the
Speaker 4: next place where it's going to like pop off. We'll
Speaker 4: see focusing on climate change. Yeah, your boy believes in
Speaker 4: global warming, because that's a whole thing. Uh renaissance reassessing
Speaker 4: human tae vite.
Speaker 3: Don't know exactly what these words mean, but no.
Speaker 4: Question mark on that one. A communion for divorced and
Speaker 4: remarried people. So as of right now, if you are
Speaker 4: divorced and remarried, you cannot be taken up the sacraments
Speaker 4: in the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: That's a thing, right, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: They restrict people getting married a second time essentially, is
Speaker 2: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: You can get remarried, but you're not going to be
Speaker 4: taking up the bread and wine. Okay, yeah, they are
Speaker 4: going to be taking the Eucharist if you're a divorcee.
Speaker 4: That's a thing U. Catholics look very very frowned upon
Speaker 4: with the divorcing and things.
Speaker 2: I wish they felt that way about preest diddling kids,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean whatever.
Speaker 4: Oh, put a pin in that one, brother, because I
Speaker 4: wish we didn't have to talk about that today. I
Speaker 4: didn't even know that we get boy's been in office
Speaker 4: for less than a week and he's already being smacked
Speaker 4: with accusations as we speak.
Speaker 2: M now no himself. Can we just be can we
Speaker 2: just be real here? And I'm not saying that this
Speaker 2: is right by any means, but do you think the
Speaker 2: reason why priests are often touching choir boys or whatever
Speaker 2: they are, the the the youthful males of the church.
Speaker 2: Do you think the reason do you think that that
Speaker 2: would possibly go away if they were allowed to have
Speaker 2: a wife and you know, have sex with their wives
Speaker 2: or you know. I'm not I'm not saying that it's
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a good alternative by any means.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, like I I would imagine that
Speaker 2: they have a lot of energy that has been pent
Speaker 2: up and they they give it to the little boys
Speaker 2: over there.
Speaker 4: You know, I would like to believe that, yes, if
Speaker 4: clergymen in the Catholic faith were allowed to take wives,
Speaker 4: that a lot of the abuse would stop. That being said,
Speaker 4: how many coaches have you heard of that were abusing
Speaker 4: their athletes that were also married?
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy scouts as.
Speaker 3: Well, exactly exactly right.
Speaker 4: So, and I'm not saying that just because somebody is
Speaker 4: a priest that instantly that means that they are like
Speaker 4: pedophilic in nature. The ratios are the ratios on that though,
Speaker 4: it's like you're more likely than not.
Speaker 3: It's like, and I hate that too.
Speaker 4: It's like saying you're a Scout leader for your son's
Speaker 4: boy Scout troupe. Ratios being what they are, you're statistically
Speaker 4: more likely to be a.
Speaker 3: Pedophile. I'm trying to find a better word to say it,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 4: A kid diddler right that being said, dude, monsters are everywhere.
Speaker 4: I wish that the Catholic Church would do justice by
Speaker 4: these victims and scorched the earth whenever one of these
Speaker 4: things happen, if for nothing else to save your own face,
Speaker 4: but instead they keep cutting off the nose to spite
Speaker 4: their own fucking face. It's a problem, it really is.
Speaker 4: But we're going to get to that because I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that Pope Leo has any accusations against himself as
Speaker 4: far as he is concerned. But there are some accusations
Speaker 4: of him turning a blind eye more than a few times,
Speaker 4: and that's already come to light. But anyway, so now
Speaker 4: this article kind of gets more into the realm of
Speaker 4: why it is such a big deal that an American
Speaker 4: is now the pope. So let's talk about it here
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, would like me to reader, No, No, I
Speaker 2: just I just was thinking about something else. Anyway. It
Speaker 2: says of the two hundred and sixty six popes who
Speaker 2: have led the Catholic Church, not one of them had
Speaker 2: been from the United States until Thursday. The cardinal electors
Speaker 2: gathered for the papal conclave elected an American from among
Speaker 2: their own ranks on Thursday to serve as the new pontiff.
Speaker 2: Chicago born Cardinal Robert Privos was elected and accepted his
Speaker 2: fate as the next Bishop of Rome, leader of the
Speaker 2: world's one point four billion Catholics. He chose Leo the
Speaker 2: fourteenth as his papal name, while the relative youth of
Speaker 2: the nation. Fewer than twenty of the church's previous popes
Speaker 2: had served after the US declaration of independence in seventeen
Speaker 2: seventy six. One prominent US bishop offered a possible explanation
Speaker 2: for the lack of an American leader of the world's
Speaker 2: Catholics a day before his election. Robert Baron, bishop of
Speaker 2: the Diocese of Winona, Rochester and Minnesota, was appointed less
Speaker 2: than a week ago by President Trump to the new
Speaker 2: White House Commission on Religious Liberty. This week, however, he
Speaker 2: was at the Vatican with hundreds of other prelates as
Speaker 2: the Cardinal elector gatherer gatherer for the conclave to choose
Speaker 2: a new pontiff. Baron spent days speaking with the cardinals,
Speaker 2: including one hundred and thirty three cardinal electors tasked with
Speaker 2: the electing with electing the new pope, as they tried
Speaker 2: to figure out among them elves who would be best
Speaker 2: to lead the church.
Speaker 4: Indeed, indeed, now this is a direct quote from him,
Speaker 4: and I feel like this needs to be touched.
Speaker 3: On a bit.
Speaker 2: Cardinal George of Chicago of happy memory was one of
Speaker 2: my great mentors. And he said, look, until America goes
Speaker 2: into political decline, there won't be an American pope. And
Speaker 2: his point was, if America is kind of running the
Speaker 2: world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want they don't want
Speaker 2: America running the world religiously. So I think there's some
Speaker 2: truth to that that we're such a superpower and so
Speaker 2: dominant that they don't want to give us also control
Speaker 2: over the church.
Speaker 3: That let's talk.
Speaker 2: Who said this.
Speaker 4: This was a cardinal George of Chicago, Okay, So I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh that was that's right, Okay, So with that okay, or.
Speaker 4: The guy who was saying it was his Barren dude,
Speaker 4: but he was saying that this was cardinal from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a out of truth in what he
Speaker 3: just said. Okay, America.
Speaker 4: And yes, I know people from other countries are going
Speaker 4: to disagree with this, agree to disagree.
Speaker 3: It is what it is. The numbers of the numbers.
Speaker 3: Read a book.
Speaker 4: Okay, America does run the world politically, culturally, and economically.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: And if you don't believe that, Trump throws some tariffs
Speaker 4: on and all of a sudden, the world shuts down.
Speaker 4: If France through tariffs on half the world, right now,
Speaker 4: do you think anyone would give a fuck?
Speaker 3: Eh?
Speaker 2: Not really, that's my point. Okay, we would just make
Speaker 2: freedom fries. Remember when we did that, there was French
Speaker 2: fries and then we had some shit going on with
Speaker 2: France and then we were all freedom fries.
Speaker 4: Believe it or not, France, French fries don't even come
Speaker 4: from France. That's a whole thing. That's a yeah, it's well.
Speaker 2: I imagine that a French kiss doesn't come from France either.
Speaker 4: I think an Australian kiss does. Though, what is that
Speaker 4: It's like a French kiss but down under? Ah, but
Speaker 4: I do think that actually gets it's you know, if
Speaker 4: you want to contechnicle, I feel like Parisians, those from
Speaker 4: Paris kind of started though, kind of lingis and could
Speaker 4: be wrong on that.
Speaker 3: I guess right.
Speaker 4: So, all right, he's saying that as long as America
Speaker 4: is running the reins on the world, why would the
Speaker 4: popes or why would the cardinals want an American to
Speaker 4: run the Catholic Church as well? They wanted to at
Speaker 4: least hold some sort of power over something European. Your boy,
Speaker 4: Pope Francis kind of shafted the spectrum on that a
Speaker 4: little bit. He was the first non European pope to
Speaker 4: be elected. They argue an African won at one point
Speaker 4: in time, but again it's different day and age, different conversation.
Speaker 4: My point being, for over a thousand years, no dude
Speaker 4: outside of Europe has ever sat in the seat. So
Speaker 4: when Francis took that spot, it was shocking, like earth
Speaker 4: shattering to a lot of Catholics. Now an American, a
Speaker 4: lot of people are pissed about this. A lot of
Speaker 4: Americans are super stoked about it. And I mean rightfully,
Speaker 4: so you know what I mean, Merca, it'd be like that,
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah.
Speaker 4: But the pride of it, right that being said, it's
Speaker 4: a if what he is saying is true. If America
Speaker 4: is kind of the run of the world politically, culturally, economically,
Speaker 4: all these things. He is saying that, look, until America
Speaker 4: goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.
Speaker 4: Now as these secret College of Cardinals meets up and
Speaker 4: has their votings in all these things, and they elected
Speaker 4: an American dude that fucking fast. This makes me wonder, Jonathan,
Speaker 4: my good sir, as I'm one to do from time
Speaker 4: to time. Do they know something that we don't, because
Speaker 4: as of this very moment, as of the election, America
Speaker 4: is still.
Speaker 3: Running this shit pretty handily.
Speaker 4: But do they know a little something about something going
Speaker 4: on in the world stage that maybe the American public
Speaker 4: is not privy too, that perhaps we are about to
Speaker 4: be on the decline.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could have this guy could have just
Speaker 2: that could have just been his opinion. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: from he was a cardinal from Chicago. You know, that
Speaker 2: was probably a very tainted American pope or cardinal or
Speaker 2: bishop or whatever. That's like, man, we're never gonna get
Speaker 2: it because we're just big dick and everything.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: That's how I could see that this.
Speaker 3: Is very true. This is very true.
Speaker 4: But again, dude, keep in mind those numbers on that vote,
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty three out of one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty eight. That wasn't like he barely got the two
Speaker 4: thirds majority. That was a sweep. Yeah, that was damn
Speaker 4: near what's it called unanimous?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's a Grand Slammy type numbers
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if this might that we need to
Speaker 4: brace for impact. I could be so wrong, and maybe
Speaker 4: I'm being a bit of a pessimist here, but that's
Speaker 4: what we do on this show. We look at the
Speaker 4: glass half full, and we look at the glass half him.
Speaker 4: Do we look at it from all sides?
Speaker 2: Either that or because the Antichrist A lot of people
Speaker 2: believe that it's going to be coming from America, right
Speaker 2: strictly because it's like the Horror of Babylon or some shit.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we're definitely in the New Babylon. I'll give you.
Speaker 2: That, right, and then you get an you get an
Speaker 2: American from like, you know, basically the I don't even
Speaker 2: know what you would say about that. I mean, would
Speaker 2: you say that he would be kind of like a
Speaker 2: demon of the Antichrist, a follower of a follower of
Speaker 2: the Antichrist? Possibly if we are to believe that whole story,
Speaker 2: which I'm not gonna lie, I get it, I do
Speaker 2: get it. We you know, basically run this whole damn
Speaker 2: place and they say that, you know, this is the
Speaker 2: devil's playground called Earth right.
Speaker 4: No doubt, Although I still don't think we are at
Speaker 4: the point where the Antichrist is about to make his
Speaker 4: way known at this moment, possibly another five or ten years,
Speaker 4: possibly in another one hundred years, like we don't actually know,
Speaker 4: possibly in a thousand years, we don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even actually, I don't even actually believe
Speaker 2: that the Antichrist is going to be a person.
Speaker 4: Well that's what old boy Abdullah al Sadi Hassani and
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah bah blah says.
Speaker 4: It's America as in totality he is saying, is the Antichrist.
Speaker 2: Well, he takes way too many boner pills to be
Speaker 2: even talking. I think with all the boon tang that
Speaker 2: he's slain within his cold.
Speaker 4: Followers willingly and against their will as it turns out,
Speaker 4: you know, that's the whole thing making him getting abortions
Speaker 4: and shit, and somehow he still is allowed to operate.
Speaker 4: But that's the thing, right so England being the uh
Speaker 4: sanctuary for people of the Islamic faith that they are
Speaker 4: right now, of course he's a allowed to have a
Speaker 4: cult compound with two hundred people living in this place
Speaker 4: and it's just a whole rape fest in there because that's.
Speaker 3: Well, that's just a part of their culture. You know.
Speaker 3: We can't stop that. Well, yeah, that's because it's got
Speaker 3: their own ship to deal with.
Speaker 2: That's because God wants me to have all the women.
Speaker 2: God wants me to have a Bugotti. You know, like, uh,
Speaker 2: what was that movie from? It was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: it wasn't Kat Williams. It was another one of the
Speaker 2: funny guys is the.
Speaker 3: One where a little bow Wow wan oh as Mike.
Speaker 2: Caps, Yeah, wasn't my caps.
Speaker 4: It was bow Wow won the lottery and he goes
Speaker 4: to church that Sunday and like he don't want nobody
Speaker 4: know he's got the winning lottery ticket and the pastor
Speaker 4: is straight up preaching to him, saying, the Lord wants
Speaker 4: me to have the women's he wants me to have
Speaker 4: a Bugotti.
Speaker 3: It's like, bro, what that was a good one.
Speaker 2: That was a good movie. So anyhow he would you
Speaker 2: want me to continue reading here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we might as well. Here it says what do
Speaker 4: Catholics want in their next Pope. I don't know if
Speaker 4: this is absolutely true or not, if this is speaking
Speaker 4: on behalf of all Catholics. This is from CBS News,
Speaker 4: by the way, but I feel like, you know, me
Speaker 4: not being a Catholic, you not being a Catholic. Maybe
Speaker 4: they got a little insight from some people of the
Speaker 4: Catholic persuasion that spoke about what they hope this guy
Speaker 4: will bring to the table.
Speaker 2: So he was undoubtedly qualified as the only clear qualifications
Speaker 2: for the role of pontiff are that candidates be male
Speaker 2: and Roman Catholic. But emerging on top of the necessary
Speaker 2: backing of just over two thirds of voting cardinal electors,
Speaker 2: electors required more than just eligibility. Originally from Chicago, Prevost
Speaker 2: has been the head of the Church's dicastery for bishops.
Speaker 2: The powerful position means he oversaw this election of new
Speaker 2: bishops for any cardinal electors who may have been turned
Speaker 2: off by prevost American nationality. It's not his only one.
Speaker 2: He's a dual citizen, holding nationality in both the US
Speaker 2: and Peru, where he served for many years.
Speaker 4: So you remember how we just said that Pope Francis
Speaker 4: put into the position, or did I tell you this
Speaker 4: part yet one hundred and thirty eight that went, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: we talked about eighty percent. Eighty percent of the cardinals
Speaker 4: that voted were put there by Francis himself. Right, This
Speaker 4: guy was in charge of raising priests to bishops who
Speaker 4: could then be brought up to archbishops and cardinals in
Speaker 4: his next go round.
Speaker 3: So he is about to go through the process.
Speaker 4: Of stacking the deck for his successor once the time comes,
Speaker 4: and he already laid the foundational groundwork for it before
Speaker 4: he ever took the seat again. Almost like there was
Speaker 4: a plan afoot.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.
Speaker 3: I mean, name of business that's not built like a pyramid.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just saying, it's kind of funny
Speaker 2: that it's a pyramid scheme, but it's the Vatican.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be like that dude, for sure.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the LGBTQ Catholics hope for inclusion under new pope,
Speaker 2: says well. Privost is seen as a is seen overall
Speaker 2: as a centrist. On some key social issues, he's viewed
Speaker 2: as progressive. He has long embraced marginalized groups a lot
Speaker 2: like Francis, who championed migrants and the poor, But also
Speaker 2: like Pope Francis, the Illinois native opposes ordaining women as deacons,
Speaker 2: for instance, So on that point he's seen as conservative
Speaker 2: on church doctrine.
Speaker 4: So conservative in some ways, progressive on other ways, but
Speaker 4: I'm very curious.
Speaker 3: Did I load this up twice? You must have, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I must have. My apologies.
Speaker 2: So here we go.
Speaker 3: Now, this is from the Catholic Herald. Why not in
Speaker 3: American pope? Right?
Speaker 4: This was released two years ago, and I think this
Speaker 4: also kind of goes in lines with what we were
Speaker 4: reading about with the whole not until we were to
Speaker 4: fall politically on the world stage. But this goes a
Speaker 4: little more in depth as to why it was such
Speaker 4: a big deal, why an American would not take the papacy.
Speaker 2: So twenty twenty two was actually three years ago. Jacob
Speaker 2: were living in twenty five, he said, two years.
Speaker 4: Ago, my bad, I said twenty twenty two. There was
Speaker 4: a lot of twos being thrown out.
Speaker 3: My bad three years ago.
Speaker 2: So for years, the the consensus was that an American
Speaker 2: pope would never fly. Since the US overtook the British
Speaker 2: Empire as the world's pre eminent political and economic power,
Speaker 2: the consensus has been that an American pontiff would concentrate
Speaker 2: too much power in one country, while a non American
Speaker 2: head of the Catholic Church would offer some counterweight to
Speaker 2: US influence. Smarting Europeans and Latin Americans would the consistent
Speaker 2: the consensus went be especially wary of electing a pope
Speaker 2: from the US, but times change. Today, the US faces
Speaker 2: the prospect of relative decline as threat of war hangs
Speaker 2: over the country, not least from the popes or from
Speaker 2: the People's Republic of China. While a heavy blow to
Speaker 2: US influence, this could open the door for an American pope,
Speaker 2: as Europeans and Latin Americans, as well as others from
Speaker 2: the Global South, already hugely represented among the College of Cardinals,
Speaker 2: warm up to this idea. There is prospect of a
Speaker 2: dark horse candidate such as conservative Cardinal Burke or perhaps
Speaker 2: the newly promoted Cardinal macelroy, but other front runners could
Speaker 2: include Cardinal Sean O'Malley, Archbishop of Boston and a member
Speaker 2: of the Order of Friars minor Capuchin, as well as
Speaker 2: Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the Archbishop of New York, both of
Speaker 2: whom scored relatively well in twenty thirteen vote which saw
Speaker 2: Pope Francis paved the way for a non European pontiff.
Speaker 2: As reported by America Magazine back in twenty thirteen, in
Speaker 2: the first round of voting for the next Pope, Cardinal
Speaker 2: O'Malley came fourth with ten votes, and according to Gerard O'Connell,
Speaker 2: the Archbishop of Boston had much in his favor. He
Speaker 2: was a pastor well liked, with a simple lifestyle, he
Speaker 2: speaks Spanish fluently, and as a sterling track record on
Speaker 2: handling cases of sexual abuse of minors by clergy. Cardinal
Speaker 2: Dolan also received two votes in the first round. Both
Speaker 2: O'Malley and Dolan are also relatively young, at seventy eight
Speaker 2: and seventy two, respectively.
Speaker 4: All Right, so real quick, real quick, did you hear
Speaker 4: any of our boy's name being thrown out there? Not yet,
Speaker 4: There's nothing about prevost in here. And again, this is
Speaker 4: from twenty twenty two. COVID was still all the rage,
Speaker 4: and some idiots were still wearing masks. At this time,
Speaker 4: most people had decided that was stupid and they were
Speaker 4: over the shit.
Speaker 3: But beside the point, okay, as they were talking.
Speaker 4: About potential American popes, this dude did not even come
Speaker 4: up one time in this list of people.
Speaker 3: They just named.
Speaker 2: Well, because your boy wasn't even elected cardinal until twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. This was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: That's kind of where I'm going with this.
Speaker 4: So he got put in a position right at the
Speaker 4: key moment when they needed him to be in that position,
Speaker 4: and then he got it with that much of a
Speaker 4: swing of the votes. When these dudes, I don't even
Speaker 4: know if these dudes are still there. If they're too old, No,
Speaker 4: they couldn't have been two years ago. So this guy,
Speaker 4: the first one, Dolan or I'm sorry, O'Malley, he's too
Speaker 4: old now they have to be under eighty years old.
Speaker 3: But Dolan is still there. He could have done this.
Speaker 3: Oh no, they have to dude.
Speaker 2: No, you can be over eighty to get elected. To
Speaker 2: be elected, Yeah, you can't vote. You can't vote if
Speaker 2: you're under eighty or over eighty.
Speaker 3: Rather, you're right, you are correct.
Speaker 2: While another North American cardinal, Oulai, who came in third
Speaker 2: with twenty two votes in the first round of twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: having a cloud over him due to recent a recent allegation.
Speaker 2: Even if nothing comes of it, an American candidate maybe
Speaker 2: has an even better chance next time around. In twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: Michelle Borstein, writing for The Washington Post, said of the
Speaker 2: voting that some said that it showed that the Cardinals
Speaker 2: were strongly driven by desire for geographical diversity as the
Speaker 2: Church has been shrinking for years in Europe. Others said
Speaker 2: Bergoglio's rise and a strong showing for O'Malley showed voters
Speaker 2: attraction to clerics known for their focus on the poor, immigrants,
Speaker 2: social questions, and a simple lifestyle compared with those known
Speaker 2: for their theological focus and correctness and clarity.
Speaker 3: So kat all right, so we all ought to read more.
Speaker 4: We ought to read more because, like we said, the
Speaker 4: current pope wasn't even a cardinal at the time of
Speaker 4: writing this. But I just wanted to show this, Okay,
Speaker 4: so pretty much for years it has been an American
Speaker 4: pope would never fly, okay, because they don't want too
Speaker 4: much power centralized from one nation.
Speaker 3: That'd be crazy, right. That's how the British Empire was
Speaker 3: like that for forever, right, the Spanish Empire was like
Speaker 3: that for forever.
Speaker 4: The all of them, all these empires had way too
Speaker 4: much power centrally located. So for them to have an
Speaker 4: American pope for forever has been seen as no way
Speaker 4: is that gonna go. Then you got these guys that
Speaker 4: were kind of making their way, and a couple of
Speaker 4: them got some votes and that's all good things. Pope
Speaker 4: Francis comes along and completely breaks the mold on what
Speaker 4: canon cannot go down.
Speaker 2: So what we're seeing is an American empire then.
Speaker 4: Possibly all around to even further that point. This is
Speaker 4: from polymarket. By the way, for people that took bets
Speaker 4: on who would be the pope, your boy prevost wasn't
Speaker 4: even he had like zero percent until the final day.
Speaker 4: Matter of fact' going say, this is one week here
Speaker 4: he was down here with the rest of them. Everybody
Speaker 4: thought that Tangle had the best options here.
Speaker 2: That was that uh dude, oh Filipino.
Speaker 4: Okay, well he's Asian, Yeah, yeah, But my point, he
Speaker 4: was seen as the most likely candidate because he had
Speaker 4: outwardly and loudly been very much in line with Francis
Speaker 4: as far as political ideations goes open borders, accepting of
Speaker 4: all going out with the old again, the pope saying
Speaker 4: that they need to do away with the old ways.
Speaker 4: That in and of itself is a mind blowing concept.
Speaker 4: I don't think people truly get.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, there would be a betting market
Speaker 2: to see who the next Pope is gonna be. Why
Speaker 2: wouldn't there be?
Speaker 4: Oh, they take bets on everything, dude, without without a doubt.
Speaker 4: But my point is though Prevost was down here on
Speaker 4: that zero line until right at the last second and
Speaker 4: then boom, which I mean, like to be fair that
Speaker 4: that's when the election results came out.
Speaker 2: Was literally zero until it was announced that he was
Speaker 2: elected in exactly exactly. Yeah, he was the darkest of
Speaker 2: dark horses, right.
Speaker 3: Ah it again, it kind of seems.
Speaker 4: And some of these names we saw when we did
Speaker 4: those lists, those top ten picks and all these things,
Speaker 4: some of these I recognize, and it's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: this could have happened.
Speaker 3: I could have seen this go down that way.
Speaker 4: Robert Sarah, that's the one of the black guys from Africa. Wow,
Speaker 4: that sounded like an oxymoron. But we have an African
Speaker 4: American cardinal as well. So when I meant that I
Speaker 4: met like from the actual I think he was from
Speaker 4: Ghana if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: You sure it wasn't one of those white guys from
Speaker 2: the Caucus Mountains too, or you Dick.
Speaker 4: But yeah, So anyway, nobody saw him coming, nobody saw
Speaker 4: him as a front runner. Most people didn't even know
Speaker 4: who this guy was until he was elected and here
Speaker 4: we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a shocker to pretty much everybody.
Speaker 4: Indeed, so again talking about Pope Leo, let's talk about
Speaker 4: his predecessor with the name here, Pope Leo the thirteen,
Speaker 4: Why was he known as the.
Speaker 3: Progressive Pope? Right? So, yeah, let's get into it here.
Speaker 2: So even before he stepped out on the balcony of
Speaker 2: Saint Peter's Basilica and spoke on May eighth, Pope Leo
Speaker 2: the fourteenth choice of name was a powerful statement. Following
Speaker 2: Pope Francis, who chose a completely new name in church history,
Speaker 2: Pope Leo opted for a name steeped in tradition that
Speaker 2: also conveys an openness to engage in with the modern world.
Speaker 2: The Pope's choice of name is, in quotes, a direct
Speaker 2: recall of the social doctrine of the church and of
Speaker 2: the pope that initiated the modern social doctrine of the church.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: Pop Leo the thirteenth, who was Pope from eighteen seventy
Speaker 2: eight to nineteen oh three, is known for publishing the
Speaker 2: encyclical Rerum Novarum on workers' rights, considered the foundational document
Speaker 2: for the church's social teaching. The document emphasized the dignity
Speaker 2: of workers and condemned the dangers of unchecked capitalism and socialism.
Speaker 2: The name Leo is a direct reference to men and
Speaker 2: women and their work. Also in the time of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Oh throw that part in there, that was weird, right,
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying here, So all right, Leo
Speaker 2: back in the day the rerum novoro basically meant that
Speaker 2: he was taking on social issues and speaking on them
Speaker 2: on behalf of the entire Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: That is not what popes did up until that point.
Speaker 4: They strictly stuck to the ways, the traditions, the morals
Speaker 4: and dogma, the rituals of it, the sanctity of it.
Speaker 4: We got to keep it tradition. We got to keep
Speaker 4: it the way it's been. It's been this way for
Speaker 4: over a thousand years.
Speaker 6: B b.
Speaker 16: Bro.
Speaker 4: Pope Leo the thirteenth started to take in social issues
Speaker 4: and speaking on them, and he actually put them and
Speaker 4: spoke about capitalism and socialism. Which that's crazy that a
Speaker 4: pope would speak on political issues and economic issues. That's
Speaker 4: not something that typically happened up until that point. The
Speaker 4: role in the circles of the royalties, right, he was
Speaker 4: tight with all the royal families around Europe and all
Speaker 4: these things. World War One came around and we have
Speaker 4: no more royal families running all these nations. Now we
Speaker 4: don't have the Kingdom of all these things. We don't
Speaker 4: have the Kingdom of Prussia, we don't have the Kingdom
Speaker 4: of Italy, we don't have the Kingdom of Hungary. We
Speaker 4: now have the democratic Republic of or the Republic of
Speaker 4: or the Nation of and these things. Right, So the
Speaker 4: royalty went away for the most part. They're still around,
Speaker 4: but like they don't have the power that they did
Speaker 4: after World War One. So that was just that was
Speaker 4: extremely progressive for the time. Now that's not progressive as
Speaker 4: we use the term today. Right, when we say the
Speaker 4: term progressive today, it typically gets associated with the screaming
Speaker 4: liberals on the left that believe that, you know, fourth
Speaker 4: term abortions are okay, and that there's seventy four genders,
Speaker 4: and that borders are just like an imaginary construct brah,
Speaker 4: and like you know, the dumb shit, the recharge.
Speaker 2: You know, not progressivism as the last thirty years, but
Speaker 2: we're talking about over the last thousand years essentially.
Speaker 4: Right, like actually bringing human life to a more progressive
Speaker 4: and like making progress for everyone of the human race.
Speaker 4: That's what Poplio the thirteenth was about. Now, this guy,
Speaker 4: Poplio the fourteenth, is doing this as a direct reference
Speaker 4: to men and women and their work. Also in the
Speaker 4: time of artificial intelligence. So I believe that this pope
Speaker 4: is going to be making some speeches about ai.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. But Poplio the thirteenth also
Speaker 2: opened the Vatican's secret archives to scholars, founded the Vatican
Speaker 2: Observatory to demonstrate the Church's openness to science, and was
Speaker 2: the first pope to be filmed on a motion picture camera.
Speaker 2: Tied to the new Pope's first words to the faithful,
Speaker 2: may peace be with you all. His namesake, Popelio the
Speaker 2: thirteenth also or was also a peacemaker who reconciled the
Speaker 2: Church with the governments of France, Russia, Germany, and Great
Speaker 2: Britain during his pontificate. Pope Leo's name also has a
Speaker 2: Marian significance, since Poplio the thirteenth wrote eleven encyclicals on
Speaker 2: the Rosary and was also the first pope to embrace
Speaker 2: the concept of Mary as mediatrix, which holds that Mary
Speaker 2: helps distribute, helps distribute Christ's Christ's grace through her intercession.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a part of their prayers as well.
Speaker 4: It's like, Oh, Blessed Mother, let it be known that
Speaker 4: no Christian that's ever come to your aid for intercession
Speaker 4: has been turned away.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The whole Mother of God conversation, that's a thing that
Speaker 4: Catholics say a good.
Speaker 2: Bit here, Holy Mary, Mother of God.
Speaker 3: Well that's a part of the Rosary. You're like, Mother Mary,
Speaker 3: Mother of God, pray for sarahs now in the hour
Speaker 3: of our death. Aymen. It's a whole thing, right, It's
Speaker 3: a whole thing with the Rosary. It's prayer. But anyway,
Speaker 3: we don't spend too much time on it.
Speaker 4: I did just want to bring up that, Yes, while
Speaker 4: Leo the third teenth was progressive for his time, it
Speaker 4: was not something that we in modern day would call progressive. However,
Speaker 4: Leo the fourteenth is absolutely taking progressivism to a different conversation. Now,
Speaker 4: before we get into the criticisms of the current pope,
Speaker 4: you said you had a couple of things you wanted
Speaker 4: to bring up as well. I didn't know if you
Speaker 4: wanted to do anything on that one at this time.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, just stop sharing the screen there, and
Speaker 2: I got some stuff down yonder Ope, hold up, let
Speaker 2: me share. We don't need to share sound or anything
Speaker 2: like that. It's just a couple of things that I
Speaker 2: did want to read. So I read the thing about
Speaker 2: how he went to the two thousand and five World
Speaker 2: Series for the White Sox, their first time winning a
Speaker 2: championship in eighty eight years. And then there was this
Speaker 2: one right here. This is actually a post by your
Speaker 2: boy don't nut, but he actually gets into a lot
Speaker 2: of the symbolism behind the number eighty eight as well,
Speaker 2: So you had uh yeah, the pope died when he
Speaker 2: was eighty eight years old. If you remember, whenever Trump
Speaker 2: Trump was elected, you would text Trump to eight eight
Speaker 2: O two two whatever. Could just be a coincidence. The
Speaker 2: Hawaiian fire happened on August eighth, so yeah, that's eight eight.
Speaker 2: Rate there also on August eighth, the FBI searched mar
Speaker 2: al Lago. There's another eight eight and uh so yeah,
Speaker 2: I just thought that that was pretty interesting. But I
Speaker 2: did have a couple of fun little articles that we
Speaker 2: can get into. So where were we right over here
Speaker 2: is where I wanted to go. Okay, so there is.
Speaker 2: And we're only getting into this eighty eight because there's
Speaker 2: so many eighty eights attached to this whole thing, as
Speaker 2: we were kind of talking a little bit about earlier.
Speaker 2: So we can get into a couple of them. But
Speaker 2: one of them that I thought was really weird, is
Speaker 2: that actually eighty eight. I don't know if you know
Speaker 2: this is it says so Neo Nazis used the number
Speaker 2: eighty eight as an abbreviation for the Nazi salute Hail Hitler.
Speaker 2: So eight being the eighth letter of the alphabet, they
Speaker 2: would type in HH or eight eight as part of
Speaker 2: their like symbolism. Right, often this number is associated with
Speaker 2: the number fourteens. I don't know why that is. So
Speaker 2: there was a let's see, Oh okay, so the number
Speaker 2: of keys on a piano is eighty eight. It's kind
Speaker 2: of weird, right. The number eighty eight is used in
Speaker 2: amateur radio as shorthand for love and kisses.
Speaker 3: It's kind of weight. I did not know that.
Speaker 2: I didn't either. Yeah, so there's eighty eight. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: just a bunch of eighty eights that are going on here. Oh,
Speaker 2: check this out. So the atomic number for the element
Speaker 2: radium is eighty eight, the number of constellations in the sky.
Speaker 2: We talked about that being eighty eight. In math, there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of things, dude, people do like crazy homework
Speaker 2: on like the the crazy research into the number eighty eight.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just kind of wanted to show a
Speaker 2: little bit of that. We're not gonna dive too deep
Speaker 2: into it because I feel like sometimes people take it
Speaker 2: a little bit too far with the symbolism and they
Speaker 2: start drawing at strings and shit like that. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, I just thought that it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: There is another thing that I wanted to show, is
Speaker 2: there not? Oh yeah, damn, I guess I said it all.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, I'm tripping here we go. Let
Speaker 2: me stop sharing right here because it's actually on my phone.
Speaker 2: So some people are actually saying that he is pope.
Speaker 2: So he's Pope Leo, right, So Leo's if you get
Speaker 2: into astrology, the Leo's sun sign is actually the sun,
Speaker 2: so people think that he could potentially be like another
Speaker 2: like worshiping the Sun god kind of thing. Also, so
Speaker 2: the where was it? I'm sorry, I'm like, I was
Speaker 2: not prepared. I had like very little time to really
Speaker 2: get all of my shit here together. So yeah, Pope
Speaker 2: France is dying at eighty eight years old. He is
Speaker 2: immediately immediately succeeded by Pope Leo the fourteenth. The fourteenth Leo,
Speaker 2: a name of kings, lions, and light. The symbolic baton
Speaker 2: is passed at the eighty eighth hour. Metaphorically speaking, this
Speaker 2: number resonates with infinity, resurrection, and return cycles end of
Speaker 2: a karmat loop. Okay, uh yeah, So I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's there's just like a bunch of weird shit that's
Speaker 2: going on with eighty eight. So I if anybody else
Speaker 2: really has anything else to add to that, then you know,
Speaker 2: just hit hit us up on Patreon or Instagram. You're
Speaker 2: more likely to get ahold of us on Instagram, I mean,
Speaker 2: on Patreon rather rather than Instagram. But yeah, I don't know, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of spilled the tea on a lot of
Speaker 2: that earlier. There's, like I said, there's a there's a
Speaker 2: lot more symbolism to eighty eight, but I don't want
Speaker 2: to draw strings. You know, it's just that there's all
Speaker 2: there's a lot of shit to it. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that even three coincidences with eighty eight is
Speaker 2: too much and we what do we say, like at
Speaker 2: least ten of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 4: Like when you brought this all up earlier, I was
Speaker 4: just like, bro, I want to have a rebuttal like
Speaker 4: I want to because a lot of the times, like yes,
Speaker 4: when looking at numerology and seeing how certain numbers line
Speaker 4: it up to stuff, I feel like a lot of that.
Speaker 3: Most of the time is coincidental, you know, and especially
Speaker 3: when you.
Speaker 4: Start getting into camatria, because when you do the equations
Speaker 4: on certain words, certain things equal the same number, But
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean there's actually a connection between the two.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting to look at and it's fun, you know.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like in my opinion, like astrology, for instance,
Speaker 4: I'm a Leo. I don't actually believe that that means
Speaker 4: something about my life because of my own beliefs as
Speaker 4: far as like what constellation was actually on the horizon
Speaker 4: of the day of my birth, as to what the
Speaker 4: Greeks wrote down about it. But like it's fun to
Speaker 4: look at sometimes you know, numerology's in that same field.
Speaker 4: But then but then when we're when we're talking about
Speaker 4: this kind of shit and there's over ten that you
Speaker 4: brought up this episode alone. It's like, I want, I
Speaker 4: want to have a rebuttal, but I actually don't have one.
Speaker 2: Ill And the thing is is what I want people
Speaker 2: to know is is just because you don't know why
Speaker 2: the symbolism would be there doesn't necessarily mean that there
Speaker 2: isn't a reason. It's just about cracking the code. This
Speaker 2: is a code to possibly cracking whatever this case may be.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see, you know, just how far it
Speaker 2: carries out. I mean we're only just in the first
Speaker 2: few days of his papalc right, yea, And so we'll
Speaker 2: see exactly where it goes. I imagine August eighth this year,
Speaker 2: probably something goes down. Just gonna throw it out there
Speaker 2: with it with the Pope, something to do with the Pope,
Speaker 2: maybe with the President. There's gonna be something that goes
Speaker 2: down on August eighth. Just mark my market in your
Speaker 2: calendar August, say if some shit's going down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we actually probably do need mark that down our calendars.
Speaker 4: Just for the hell of it. I'll write that down.
Speaker 4: I'm write that down right now and putting in my
Speaker 4: calendar layer of like just exclamation question point, question Mark,
Speaker 4: excuse me, and I'm not gonna remember what that is
Speaker 4: until the day calms down a look at and be like, oh.
Speaker 3: Jonathan, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, typically shit goes down on those days. You know,
Speaker 2: we we said that that's that's the day that Trump's
Speaker 2: mar A Lago got rated, That's the day, well, what
Speaker 2: was it the Hawaiian fire that was? You know, there
Speaker 2: could be something to it. We could also just be
Speaker 2: like you know that guy or Jim Carrey in twenty three,
Speaker 2: just looking for numbers that that could also be it too.
Speaker 2: Just want to throw that out there.
Speaker 4: I mean, hell, we what was that one dude we
Speaker 4: had on that said that pretty much every year on
Speaker 4: nine to eleven, something horrible happens or it's like the
Speaker 4: eleventh of the month is when like things are more
Speaker 4: likely to pop off. And it's like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: you can pull up some examples and like, I'm not
Speaker 4: denying that those examples happen on that date, but like, look,
Speaker 4: as we're talking about this on August eighth and this
Speaker 4: guy and the whole thing with the stuff, and it's
Speaker 4: like we will see cult members marketing on your calendars
Speaker 4: and if nothing happens, then hey, you can't. You can't
Speaker 4: be one hundred percent accurate all the time. And we're
Speaker 4: not even gonna call our shot of what will happen.
Speaker 4: We're just saying, let's keep our eyes, especially that third
Speaker 4: eye all the way open here.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think you're talking about your boy troubles Garcia,
Speaker 2: And I believe the number that he brought up was
Speaker 2: the eighth now that I think about.
Speaker 4: Like, I could be wrong here, but I feel like
Speaker 4: Mike A. Dank brought it up. I feel like Brandon
Speaker 4: Kroll brought it up, and I feel like Treble's also.
Speaker 3: Brought it up.
Speaker 4: And I don't know what numbers were on all of them,
Speaker 4: but I've heard multiple guests we've had on the show
Speaker 4: say like that statement before, and I don't you know cool?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, And you know, also, if you look
Speaker 2: at like a digital clock, a lot of people think
Speaker 2: that there's like a conspiracy around numbers and time in general,
Speaker 2: because if you look at a digital clock, every single
Speaker 2: line that can be outlined is outlined with an aid,
Speaker 2: which could possibly mean like the end, right, like every
Speaker 2: single thing has been filled in. Why would you take
Speaker 2: one of the lines away? To make a nine kind
Speaker 2: of thing, and so people start getting weird and going
Speaker 2: all over the place with it. But I mean, I
Speaker 2: understand where they're coming from. But I mean, eh, we'll
Speaker 2: see how it goes. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 4: Now, before we get into the controversy, this is gonna
Speaker 4: kind of segue into it here. This is a quick
Speaker 4: clip from news dot com dot Australia. The challenge is
Speaker 4: that Pope Leo the fourteenth is currently facing now as
Speaker 4: he takes his position. He got left some bullshit, he
Speaker 4: got left some baggage from the previous pope and from
Speaker 4: even before that. To be honest with you, then now
Speaker 4: he has to be the leader and see them through
Speaker 4: the same way that if a CEO takes over a company,
Speaker 4: the former CEO just retired. This guy's a new guy
Speaker 4: in charge. Whatever bullshit and drama the company is currently
Speaker 4: facing is now this guy's problem.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: This is a quick snapshot of some of the issues
Speaker 4: that and challenges that he has to face.
Speaker 17: Now, let's listen in Pope Leo fourteenth, the two hundred
Speaker 17: and sixty seventh leader of the Catholic Church and the
Speaker 17: first from the United States inherits major challenges from his
Speaker 17: much loved predecessor, Francis.
Speaker 3: Too much loved.
Speaker 4: I feel like that might be one of those big
Speaker 4: quote unquote much love predecessors Francis. I don't know many
Speaker 4: Catholics that loved him, but okay, anyway, there's a.
Speaker 17: Look at the new pontiff's overflowing entrey. A short fall in.
Speaker 4: The Vatican balancing the books, dude, a shortfall of the
Speaker 4: Vatican budget to the tune of ninety four million dollars.
Speaker 3: That's now this guy's problem.
Speaker 2: I did want to throw out there too. When was
Speaker 2: the last time that we had a leader from Chicago?
Speaker 2: Remember that?
Speaker 3: Oh, you mean old Berry.
Speaker 2: Also seen as a very dark course. I don't mean
Speaker 2: by a skin color, I mean like, no, he was
Speaker 2: not very dark.
Speaker 16: He was.
Speaker 2: He was not very high up in the ranks of
Speaker 2: anything political. Right.
Speaker 4: He was a junior senator for like less than I
Speaker 4: think it was like less than a year, and then
Speaker 4: he got nominated for the presidency.
Speaker 3: This guy was a cardinal for two years ish give
Speaker 3: or take not even.
Speaker 4: And then won a sweeping voting victory on day two.
Speaker 2: As did Obama swept it his first term, like it
Speaker 2: wasn't even close.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, but we just saying, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I know what you're saying, and I know what
Speaker 2: you're not saying exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go so again.
Speaker 4: Ninety four million dollar deficit that this guy now has
Speaker 4: to see the church through.
Speaker 17: Budget to the tune of ninety four million dollars and
Speaker 17: an even larger gap in the pension fund were want
Speaker 17: Leo's immediate attention. That's according to two knowledgeable sources. And
Speaker 17: despite Pope France's cost cutting efforts and financial management reforms,
Speaker 17: the scandal of clerical child sex abuse and its cover up.
Speaker 4: Now, this one is one that we are going to
Speaker 4: spend a little extra time talking about once this video
Speaker 4: is over.
Speaker 3: The child's sex abuse that is so.
Speaker 4: Endemic, or at least so loudly talked about within the
Speaker 4: Catholic Church. Yes, and now you know, feel these curveballs
Speaker 4: being thrown his way and he does not have a
Speaker 4: good track record of handling them the appropriate way. In fact,
Speaker 4: he has quite the track record of turning a blind
Speaker 4: eye and pretending they're not happening.
Speaker 3: We'll discuss more in depth here in a moment.
Speaker 4: Yes, scout master, oh, yeah, yeah, it's it's a thing
Speaker 4: or is it.
Speaker 2: Like this or this or one of these kind of
Speaker 2: things three fingers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go with the boy scouts whenever I
Speaker 2: was younger, but it fucked with the scheduling for football
Speaker 2: and so I couldn't do both.
Speaker 3: I feel that. I feel that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so our boy here, Pope Leo, when he
Speaker 4: was a bishop and a priest in Peru and had
Speaker 4: all these things going on around him, he never took
Speaker 4: a hard stance against it and didn't really do anything
Speaker 4: to stop it, and when asked about it would kind
Speaker 4: of stick his head and sand and pretend to what
Speaker 4: wasn't happening. And that is not a good look when
Speaker 4: we are talking about the next stage of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: But let's listen in more.
Speaker 17: RUP has dogged the global Catholic Church and undermined its
Speaker 17: standing despite Franc's policy of zero tolerance. Leo will need
Speaker 17: to examine reforms that have delivered at best, partial and
Speaker 17: uneven results under Francis.
Speaker 4: Modernizing the Church. Now, this is one of those that
Speaker 4: are saying ordain women. This is a group that is
Speaker 4: sitting outside of the Vatican right now with this big
Speaker 4: old banner saying, please make us priestesses.
Speaker 3: But let's look at.
Speaker 17: Tensions erupted over whether the church should be more welcoming
Speaker 17: towards the LGBT community and divorces and let women play
Speaker 17: it wat to roll in church?
Speaker 3: Look at that? Look at that.
Speaker 4: So Pope Leo is out there giving his speech and stuff,
Speaker 4: and then you got these broads out here with this
Speaker 4: big old banner making their statement, and so he's gonna
Speaker 4: have to feel these questions as well. Are you going
Speaker 4: to be more inclusive to the LGBTQ, all the little
Speaker 4: people like Francis wanted? Are you gonna ordain women? Are
Speaker 4: you gonna let divorce people take the sacraments?
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like it's probably just part of
Speaker 2: any high ranking job, like you know, president pope, whatever,
Speaker 2: leader of the leader of whatever, leader of a city
Speaker 2: mayor city council. You know you're going to have protesters
Speaker 2: one way or the other. To be honest with you,
Speaker 2: like if he was to say that women could be ordained,
Speaker 2: you think there wouldn't be any protesters to that. Oh,
Speaker 2: I promise there would be, right, Oh my god, So
Speaker 2: this is like just expected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, remember what happened when the Catholic Church
Speaker 4: took away the Latin Mass. They had a whole splintering
Speaker 4: off in an entire section. Catholics right now are saying
Speaker 4: that if any Mass is happening in English and it's
Speaker 4: not a true Catholic Mass, they broke off into their
Speaker 4: own order of Catholicism over it.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you feel the same way whenever it
Speaker 2: comes to like well, for example, whenever it comes to
Speaker 2: like demonology and shit like that, you believe that they
Speaker 2: should be speaking in Latin.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, I don't feel that way.
Speaker 4: Even the earliest forms of alchemists said that if you're
Speaker 4: not doing it in Hebrew, then you're not doing alchemy.
Speaker 4: If you're not doing sorcery in these original languages, then
Speaker 4: you're not doing sorcery, you're playing it.
Speaker 2: So you understand why they would want to keep Mass
Speaker 2: in Latin, then I do.
Speaker 4: And personally, I wish I could go and sit into
Speaker 4: a Latin Mass.
Speaker 3: I would love I've heard the entire vibe is different, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure it's cool to listen to.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't understand a fucking word of it, but it
Speaker 2: would probably be pretty cool to listen.
Speaker 4: But I mean the movements are the same. If you've
Speaker 4: ever been to a Catholic Mass, You've been to a
Speaker 4: Catholic Mass. And if you know when to sit, neil bin, pray,
Speaker 4: walk up, do your thing like it. The order of
Speaker 4: operations is the same no matter what Catholic church you
Speaker 4: go to. So like, even though it'd be Latin, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't fully understand it. I've been I've been told by
Speaker 4: people that have gone to them that do. It's just
Speaker 4: the entire ambiance is like to the next level. And
Speaker 4: I believe there's something true with that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure there is. I mean, it's steeped in history,
Speaker 2: like it's you know, in time. Time knows Latin more
Speaker 2: than English, right, mm hmm, so.
Speaker 3: Big facts, all right, so let's keep going.
Speaker 17: Francis did not formally change doctrine, but he opened the
Speaker 17: door to communion for divorces and blessings for same sex couples.
Speaker 17: He did not relax priestly celibacy rules or those on
Speaker 17: ordination of women deacons. The new pope will also need
Speaker 17: to perform a balancing act. Joshua McKelvey is Root's Vatican
Speaker 17: correspondent at this point.
Speaker 16: It's very hard to know exactly how Pope Leo will
Speaker 16: be Pope or what his major concerns will be. I
Speaker 16: think we can expect that he will kind of follow
Speaker 16: in the footsteps of Francis on many issues.
Speaker 4: That's scary in and of itself, but all right, let's
Speaker 4: keep going.
Speaker 16: He was appointed by Paul Francis to come to Rome.
Speaker 16: They clearly had a good kind of loving, caring relationship.
Speaker 17: The Pope's flock is dwindling in Europe.
Speaker 4: Now we're talking about godless Europe question mark. They're talking
Speaker 4: about how Catholic attendees in Europe are down exponentially, and
Speaker 4: this is something else is going to have to field.
Speaker 2: I mean, you keep on importing Muslims, those numbers are
Speaker 2: going to continue to dwindle.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, bro.
Speaker 4: There was another post that Charlie Kirk put up by
Speaker 4: ex I was like, man, the way that Pope Francis
Speaker 4: kept saying, please bring in more refugees and please let
Speaker 4: borders not be a thing. It's almost like they forgot
Speaker 4: that the Muslims and the Catholics have been at war
Speaker 4: for fourteen hundred years or whatever. But like, yeah, let's
Speaker 4: just keep seeing how this ball shakes out, you know,
Speaker 4: but let's listen what he's got to do with it now.
Speaker 17: Judged by church attendants and priestly vocations. Even though globally
Speaker 17: baptized Catholics keep increasing in number and to have surpassed
Speaker 17: the one point four billion mark, mostly thanks to growth
Speaker 17: in Africa, Germany, the EU's most populous nation, just twenty
Speaker 17: nine new priests were ordained in twenty twenty four, historic low.
Speaker 17: About three hundred and twenty one thousand German Catholics also
Speaker 17: left the church that year. According to the National Bishop's.
Speaker 4: Conference, three hundred and twenty one thousand Catholics left the.
Speaker 3: Church that year.
Speaker 2: They finally woke up. That's what that says to me.
Speaker 4: The vibe is changing, which, to be fair with you, right,
Speaker 4: Germany is where Martin Luther nailed his ethos to the door. Now,
Speaker 4: granted he still died a Catholic like he was. He
Speaker 4: did that and it caused a stir, but he was
Speaker 4: still a Catholic to the day he died. The Lutheran Church,
Speaker 4: the Protestant order that kind of spun off of that.
Speaker 3: In Germany.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's still been a very you know, solid
Speaker 4: number of Catholics within Germany. Now, yes, I understand World
Speaker 4: War II kind of put a damper on that. Hitler
Speaker 4: did send Catholics to concentration camps and killed them as well.
Speaker 4: But Germany's always had a pretty solid Catholic foothold, and
Speaker 4: now they are losing numbers by the flock. And that
Speaker 4: just for this nation of Germany. Other European countries are
Speaker 4: seeing the same thing.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: So in the future, what do you think, all right?
Speaker 2: Because I personally think that more and more and more
Speaker 2: people are going to start to flee denominational churches at least,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that more people are probably shifting
Speaker 2: to non denominational or just shifting away from religion altogether.
Speaker 2: That's just my own personal perspective. I know the numbers
Speaker 2: say otherwise, but I see more and more people, you know, nowadays,
Speaker 2: that just claim to be spiritual, They don't claim any
Speaker 2: kind of religion. But let's just say, hypothetically, in the
Speaker 2: future religion goes away completely. Just hypothetically speaking. I don't
Speaker 2: think it will, but let's just say hypothetically speaking that
Speaker 2: it does. What do you think happens to those badass cathedrals?
Speaker 2: Do you think, like what do you think they turn
Speaker 2: them into.
Speaker 4: Well, Uh, there have been quite a few, like old
Speaker 4: churches and cathedrals and stuff that get turned into like
Speaker 4: homeless shelters. Uh, they get turned into art exhibits or museums.
Speaker 3: The schools.
Speaker 4: I've seen a few of, the matter of fact, the
Speaker 4: Catholic church that I grew up in in Baton Rouge
Speaker 4: until we moved out to a central parish, Uh, it
Speaker 4: was turned into a college. And you know, the main
Speaker 4: the big sanctuary where the church would actually go down
Speaker 4: like there was a school attached to it. So it
Speaker 4: makes sense that one wud get turned into a school,
Speaker 4: but the main sanctuary got turned into a grand lecture hall.
Speaker 4: So I mean there's they'll find things to do with
Speaker 4: the building or they'll just tear them down. But like
Speaker 4: it's you know, you're not going to tear down like
Speaker 4: the old historic ones from like hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 4: years ago kind of things. Those things turn into tourist
Speaker 4: attractions if nothing else.
Speaker 2: Well, and they're and they're well built, they're they're built
Speaker 2: to withstand like everything. Really, I mean they're out of
Speaker 2: like a stone and granted and thoughts.
Speaker 4: Until Notre Dame burned down I sure thought that bitch
Speaker 4: was made of stone and none could tear it down,
Speaker 4: But boil boy, was I wrong. Still, no real answer
Speaker 4: on to how that started. Either, they're saying it was
Speaker 4: an electrical fire from a freight extension cord or something.
Speaker 3: I've heard this, and I'm like, really.
Speaker 2: Well, you know jet fuel melted still beams in the
Speaker 2: twin towers too, So.
Speaker 4: Right, I forgot this silly mead might be forgetting things.
Speaker 4: But I aside from just what the numbers are, because
Speaker 4: poles are very skewed, and I get that, I will
Speaker 4: say that, and it depends region of region very much so.
Speaker 4: But there is a shift going on in America right now.
Speaker 4: And yes, there are people that are more spiritual, but
Speaker 4: there are more people that are maybe brought up a
Speaker 4: certain religion and then kind of go away from it
Speaker 4: for a few years, and then whenever they have kids
Speaker 4: of their own, they like returned to the faith. And
Speaker 4: we're seeing a re urgency of traditional values, especially from
Speaker 4: the younger generation. The boomers fucked everything up so bad
Speaker 4: that it's almost like this next generation coming up ours
Speaker 4: on back want to embrace tradition, not modernality. In all
Speaker 4: this foolishness and I don't mean foolishness to say new agism.
Speaker 4: Even people that are saying like they don't even get
Speaker 4: down like evangelical Christendom and they would rather get to
Speaker 4: a more structured worship style service. There is a wave
Speaker 4: of that happening right now as well. Well, it's a
Speaker 4: crazy pendulum shift that's happening right now.
Speaker 2: The reason I brought that up as far as what
Speaker 2: could the future you know, churches look like, is mainly
Speaker 2: the Catholic churches and stuff, because they're the most badass ones.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people say that maybe the religions
Speaker 2: took over those buildings and kind of reformatted them in
Speaker 2: some kind of way. Some people say that actually it
Speaker 2: was the uh you know, because if you look at
Speaker 2: like a lot of the older churches that are still
Speaker 2: up today, you see, like remember we showed the what
Speaker 2: was it like on the top there was like a
Speaker 2: spire and it seemed like an energy harvesting building. You
Speaker 2: had the stained glass windows. You have just a lot
Speaker 2: of really weird things that you wouldn't necessarily expect from
Speaker 2: a religious foundational brick and mortar house.
Speaker 4: I mean, personally, I like the stained glass windows, not
Speaker 4: just for the vibe of it, but because historically they
Speaker 4: started doing that because most of the people attending church
Speaker 4: services couldn't read, so they would have stained glass windows
Speaker 4: and like paintings to show the stories that they were
Speaker 4: preaching about as a way to like, you know, go
Speaker 4: the extra mile with it. And then of course because
Speaker 4: the lights shining in, that's like think of a stage production.
Speaker 4: If you go to a concert these days, you're gonna
Speaker 4: have lights coming in from all directions with all the
Speaker 4: colors and stuff. They had that in the Middle Ages
Speaker 4: with stained glass windows in a church service.
Speaker 3: I I've always kind of liked that, honestly.
Speaker 2: Well, it's mainly for the uh people believe it's because
Speaker 2: of the resonant frequency from the bells as well. And
Speaker 2: if you go back, was it world War one or
Speaker 2: World War two that they were allegedly like taking the
Speaker 2: bells out of churches to make bullets, which it seems
Speaker 2: really silly, like to me, that doesn't make any damn sense.
Speaker 2: Why would you take church bells of all things? Because
Speaker 2: people will look into those certain types of church bells
Speaker 2: and the frequency that they were resonating resonating at were
Speaker 2: like this healing type frequency you know, not like you're
Speaker 2: going to go in there and like you're cancer. Oh
Speaker 2: maybe maybe your cancer gone, but if you go in
Speaker 2: there with a fucking broken kneecap, it's probably not going
Speaker 2: to replace itself. Point is, it's like it could have
Speaker 2: been given off like four hundred and thirty two herds,
Speaker 2: so you know, one of the Fibonacci sequences numbers that
Speaker 2: could have been going on in there, and they seem
Speaker 2: to do away with that because of war, which makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense because that's about as out of
Speaker 2: frequency as you can possibly get.
Speaker 4: I knew that they were also taken down in Notre Damp,
Speaker 4: for instance, all the crazy huge sanin glass windows and stuff.
Speaker 4: They took that down in place that inside of the
Speaker 4: church during World War Two because they didn't want it
Speaker 4: to get damaged from bombings and air raids that were happening.
Speaker 4: The bells got taken down for the same purpose. I've
Speaker 4: never heard that they were taking them down to make bullets.
Speaker 2: And it was the brass and trying to make them
Speaker 2: into brass bullets and shit.
Speaker 3: That sounds preposterous to me. Yeah, and that was actually heard.
Speaker 2: That that's an American thing.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh, we're talking about like, okay, I'm talking about
Speaker 4: in Europe where the bombers were happening. In America they
Speaker 4: were taking down the bells to make bullets for the
Speaker 4: rationing for the war and shit.
Speaker 2: Yep, huh. I don't I can't remember if it was
Speaker 2: World War One or World War Two. Probably world War one,
Speaker 2: if I had to guess, I don't think.
Speaker 4: World War two because that was when like the big
Speaker 4: push and the big rationing and like everybody with the
Speaker 4: war effort, Rosie the River, yes we can and that
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it could have been.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll find out. But yeah, that's that's for sure
Speaker 2: a fact that I remember reading about that.
Speaker 4: But I mean, as far as Europe goes, they're talking
Speaker 4: about people's church attendance going down in Europe, and I mean,
Speaker 4: to be fair, we're talking about America as well. We
Speaker 4: have an American pope, and we're talking about how American
Speaker 4: culture does kind of shift the world's opinion on culture
Speaker 4: and things. I don't know, man, I don't know exactly
Speaker 4: what the future holds. I see that a lot of
Speaker 4: people are leaving traditional religions, but I see a lot
Speaker 4: of people also embracing tradition and saying fuck modernity as
Speaker 4: a whole, because they have found that modernity only leads
Speaker 4: to temporary happiness, and there's a possibility that tradition can
Speaker 4: lead to longstanding happiness. And you know how you want
Speaker 4: to bring up your kids? Do you want to bring
Speaker 4: them up not really knowing what the fuck is up?
Speaker 4: If you had a good upbringing and you were like
Speaker 4: a church kid, it would make sense that you would
Speaker 4: want to get your kids in church because you know
Speaker 4: that that's like a system that works as far as
Speaker 4: rearing a happy, healthy family. If you're somebody that had
Speaker 4: a really bad church experience, you want to keep your
Speaker 4: kids as far away from that as possible. So it's
Speaker 4: there's a pendulum shift going on right now, and I
Speaker 4: really don't know how it's going to shake out in
Speaker 4: the next ten to two years, but it's interesting.
Speaker 2: To watch, Okay. So it says during both World Wars,
Speaker 2: many church bells were taken down and melted to produce
Speaker 2: metal for weapons, including bullets and artillery. This practice was
Speaker 2: particularly widespread in Germany, also, where a significant percentage of
Speaker 2: bells were lost to support war efforts.
Speaker 4: I could believe that seeing as how Germany was the
Speaker 4: belligerent on both of those wars, and they neither of
Speaker 4: those times did the Kaiser or Hitler feel favorably about,
Speaker 4: you know, Catholic church bells and things that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: Actually out loud, yeah, it says, without knowing the exact source,
Speaker 2: it says ten thousand church bells. Claim that it said
Speaker 2: that they took down ten thousand church bells. Holy shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually Germany Hitler cannibalizing church bells to make bullets.
Speaker 3: I see that one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yep. It says you need copper in large quantities to
Speaker 2: make jackets for bullets, brass for small arms, and artillery
Speaker 2: cartridges and telegraph wire.
Speaker 3: Ah. Good old Germany out there doing the mostest.
Speaker 4: And as we are talking about Germany, they're talking about
Speaker 4: the Catholic Church in Germany today.
Speaker 3: Let's listen more.
Speaker 17: When it came to diplomacy, Francis, the first pope from
Speaker 17: the global self, was not afraid to ruffle Western feathers.
Speaker 17: He spoke out on climate change and was a critic
Speaker 17: of tough European and US immigration policies, putting himself at
Speaker 17: odds with US President Donald Trump. The new Pontiff has
Speaker 17: a history of criticizing Trump and Vice President JD. Vance's policies,
Speaker 17: according to posts on the ex account of Robert Prevost
Speaker 17: his real name.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he already has a track record, even though
Speaker 4: he's a registered Republican and voted Republican on all the
Speaker 4: time whe he voted in the United States. I actually
Speaker 4: couldn't find one example of him voting Democrat as a
Speaker 4: matter of fact. But all that to say, he takes
Speaker 4: a hard stance against Trump and JD.
Speaker 3: Vance.
Speaker 4: Let it be known that the vast majority of Americans
Speaker 4: love Trump's immigration policy, like the vast majority.
Speaker 2: So he loved old guard Republican then mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I think his d kind of.
Speaker 2: Republican, the George Bush kind of Republican.
Speaker 4: But I mean even still, the George Bush Republican was
Speaker 4: a warmongering Republican. But he had decent border policies. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we had legals coming over, but it wasn't on mass
Speaker 4: like it was during Biden, with apps showing them the
Speaker 4: way of how to evade ice and shit and border patrol.
Speaker 4: So Trump is sending these people back to where they belong,
Speaker 4: which the vast majority of Americans support, and want to
Speaker 4: see happen. Meanwhile, Francis being from uh was Venezuela or Argentina?
Speaker 4: I forget Argentina, and then your boy Leo spinning over
Speaker 4: a decade in Peru. They're saying like, why don't you
Speaker 4: just let all the immigrants through? So again, I feel
Speaker 4: like that's kind of not the vibe you want to
Speaker 4: take it this time, Francis and Leo, especially as Europe
Speaker 4: has their own immigrant crisis right now that people are
Speaker 4: like being gang raped and murdered over and then we
Speaker 4: had the situation in America that we could spend episode
Speaker 4: after episode talking about what the crazy immigration policy in
Speaker 4: America has led to and why we need this hard
Speaker 4: line send everybody back to where the fuck they belong situation.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so he's echoing that right now. He's echoing
Speaker 3: Francis's vibes.
Speaker 2: Dude. So if he was voting, I don't know the
Speaker 2: years that he was voting. I was just trying to
Speaker 2: think about the presidents that were running in the past
Speaker 2: before Trump. But you had Mitt Romney, John McCain. It'd
Speaker 2: be interesting if you voted for Romney because Romney is
Speaker 2: a Mormon. What do you think that what is the
Speaker 2: Catholics views on Mormonism.
Speaker 3: They're the Mountain Jews. Okay, you know they.
Speaker 4: They're kind of like, I don't want to piss off nobody,
Speaker 4: but also it is what it is, So they view
Speaker 4: them the same way that we view them. They are
Speaker 4: reading the Old Testament, which is good, they're reading the
Speaker 4: New Testament, which is good, and then they're reading that
Speaker 4: other book that was made by a con man that
Speaker 4: is steering them way off course. Now I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that Mormons can't achieve true salvation. I believe that's possible,
Speaker 4: but only if they negate every single thing that Joseph
Speaker 4: Smith and Brigham Young said.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah, I found it. So what does the Catholic
Speaker 2: Church say about the practices and beliefs on Mormonism. While
Speaker 2: individual Mormons may be persons of good conscious, Mormonism itself
Speaker 2: is a belief system that would reduce the Father, of
Speaker 2: the Son, and the Holy Spirit from being three persons
Speaker 2: of the one True and infinite God to being three limited,
Speaker 2: finite deities among an uncounted multitude of deities, all of
Speaker 2: whom merely reshape small parts of a pre existing cosmos.
Speaker 2: Mormonism teaches that human being may, by practicing the tenets
Speaker 2: of its faith, become gods and goddesses themselves with their
Speaker 2: own planets full of people worship me worshiping them. I
Speaker 2: forgot about that part.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, like I said, a Mormon can achieve true salvation
Speaker 4: and have their name written into the Book of Life
Speaker 4: and be assolved with their sins and all this stuff
Speaker 4: if they negate every single word that was uttered from
Speaker 4: Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and their Council of Nine
Speaker 4: and they're their elders and all that, they just like
Speaker 4: negate all of that and only read like the actual
Speaker 4: Bible and just take away the Book of Mormon and
Speaker 4: just kind of put that on a shelf somewhere and
Speaker 4: never open it again.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, they could. They're good. They're solid.
Speaker 2: By the way, we introduced a new segment onto The
Speaker 2: Cult of Conspiracy that is coming out every Sunday. So
Speaker 2: if you're listening to this on Monday, which is when
Speaker 2: it's going to be coming out, then you just possibly
Speaker 2: heard yesterday's episode, which was a Sunday rewind. It's almost
Speaker 2: like a flashback Friday or a throwback Thursday or whatever.
Speaker 2: But we're putting it on Sundays just for people, you
Speaker 2: know who maybe newcomers and you don't have time to
Speaker 2: go back and maybe you're not caught up. We're lighting.
Speaker 2: We're putting these episodes up because we referenced them a lot,
Speaker 2: and we just want people to understand some of the
Speaker 2: things that we say about, you know, prior topics or
Speaker 2: prior conversations that we've had with other guests and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So the first Sunday rewind is actually the
Speaker 2: first episode that we had with the girl Heidi Love
Speaker 2: exposing the Mormon Church.
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, that was a banger of an episode on
Speaker 4: mine d She comes with some fire with some vinegar
Speaker 4: because she's got a bone to pick with them because
Speaker 4: of all of what she experienced growing up, which, like, yo.
Speaker 2: I get it, dude, she was a Mormon for thirty
Speaker 2: five years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she saw the light though, and she's a lot
Speaker 4: better for it, and she is killing it as far
Speaker 4: as the content is concerned.
Speaker 2: Thinking about doing that for thirty dude, I just turned
Speaker 2: thirty five years old. That means literally my entire life
Speaker 2: of worth of years she was a Mormon. That's a
Speaker 2: long ass time.
Speaker 4: But then can you imagine living that life for that
Speaker 4: long and then waking up one day and realizing that
Speaker 4: everything you've lived is incorrect and like changing everything about
Speaker 4: you to like to fix and change course.
Speaker 2: Still a Christian, bro Still a Christian, just not a Mormon.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, no, she acknowledges truth.
Speaker 4: She just has left behind the eyes, which is wonderful
Speaker 4: for her. And again, no hatred towards the Mormons out
Speaker 4: there that may or may not be listening. We love
Speaker 4: you all, okay, and we're praying for everybody of all feaths, Mormon,
Speaker 4: non a nominational, Catholic, Muslims. You were praying for everybody here,
Speaker 4: But you know, a little bit of reflection into the
Speaker 4: Holy Book that you claim, I feel like would go
Speaker 4: a long way.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you think that Jacob is being
Speaker 2: a little bit unfair by calling out other religions, trust me,
Speaker 2: I'm the same exact way, except for I do it
Speaker 2: for all religions, So you can hate both of us
Speaker 2: on that. I think they're all demn like just silly.
Speaker 4: That's why I teach their religion that I get down with.
Speaker 4: I got a book I get down with, but it's
Speaker 4: not a religion, you know very well. I believe in
Speaker 4: ever in a relationship with my Savior, and I don't
Speaker 4: believe I got to go through a third party to
Speaker 4: get there, Like there was a third party.
Speaker 3: He died.
Speaker 4: The whole thing rose again that that was the third
Speaker 4: party that I believe.
Speaker 2: But yeah, what he wasn't even necessarily the third party
Speaker 2: if you really think about it. I mean, if the
Speaker 2: story goes that he encompassed God himself, he can't really
Speaker 2: be a third party. If you're a Christian.
Speaker 3: He was preach on it. Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 2: Hey, i'd be learning, you do be learning?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, So basically the last little bit here is
Speaker 4: talking about the social issues, the immigration, these things. Okay,
Speaker 4: so he's got his hands full with what he is
Speaker 4: walking into right now.
Speaker 3: And as he has his hands full on all of this,
Speaker 3: we already have criticism for clergy sexual abuse. That he
Speaker 3: turned a blind eyetube.
Speaker 2: There we go. That's stepping in line. That's a that's
Speaker 2: a pulp for you right there, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm just saying I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's hold on, this is the guy
Speaker 2: that is closest to God. I mean, if he says
Speaker 2: it's okay, God must must think that it's okay then right,
Speaker 2: Some people say.
Speaker 4: So, So Jacob's not one of those people. But there,
Speaker 4: you know, there, he's not saying it's okay. Let me
Speaker 4: make that clear now, Pope Leo has never said that
Speaker 4: abusing children or taking advantage of your position within the
Speaker 4: church orny that He's never said that that's okay or acceptable.
Speaker 2: Sure, he's also never done anything about it.
Speaker 4: He never said anything about it negatively either. He has
Speaker 4: turned a blind eye, he has turned a cold shoulder,
Speaker 4: and he has never actually addressed anything.
Speaker 2: So you know what I mean, he does just learn
Speaker 2: about it, is it because he doesn't want to throw
Speaker 2: himself under the bus.
Speaker 4: I As of this moment, there's no evidence to back that.
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying there's a zero percent chance, but
Speaker 4: as of now, nothing nobody's come forward and said that
Speaker 4: he ever did anything or abuse them or nothing like that.
Speaker 4: Every bit of evidence that I have found about him
Speaker 4: says that he's been a solid guy, you know, a
Speaker 4: solid man of the cloth, good priest, good bishop, reached
Speaker 4: out for the poor, the whole nine. So like he
Speaker 4: seems like a solid gint. But he's also never done
Speaker 4: anything to make waves in this regard as you would
Speaker 4: want to like stand opposed to these monsters and be like, no,
Speaker 4: I damn them, I rebuke them. That is not what
Speaker 4: we believe, and like even give a statement on behalf
Speaker 4: of the situation. Or you could stick your head in
Speaker 4: the sand and stick your fingers in your ears and
Speaker 4: go la la, la la la, which is more like
Speaker 4: what you know. Let's just read about it.
Speaker 2: As many celebrate Cardinal Robert Francis prevos historic selection as Pope,
Speaker 2: the world's largest organization for clergy sexual abuse victim is
Speaker 2: worried about the Pontiff's past handling of sexual abuse cases
Speaker 2: and called on him to take a tougher stance on
Speaker 2: the issue that has long plagued the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: The Survivor's Network of Those Abused by Priests SNAP. I
Speaker 2: can't believe they have an entire organization, that's how bad
Speaker 2: it is in the Catholic Church. They had to build
Speaker 2: a foundation for people who have been abused by priests.
Speaker 2: Think how sick that is?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh yes, this is a real thing for sure.
Speaker 2: Anyway, It's called SNAP, a network that says it represents
Speaker 2: more than twenty five thousand victims and supporters worldwide released
Speaker 2: a statement on the day of Pope Leo the fourteenth selection,
Speaker 2: expressing grave concern and urging him to enact a truly universal,
Speaker 2: zero tolerance law for sexual abuse and cover up. Chicago
Speaker 2: born pontiff was chosen to lead the Vatican on May eighth,
Speaker 2: just one day after the conclave to pick a successor
Speaker 2: to the late Pope Francis began Prevost to sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Born and raised in Chicago, went on to spend most
Speaker 2: of his career in Peru, first as a missionary and
Speaker 2: then as a bishop. He has a dual citizenship with Peru.
Speaker 2: Prevous ascension. We kind of covered a lot of this already,
Speaker 2: but we'll just go over it. So Privos' ascension resurface
Speaker 2: concerns about his record on clergy sexual abuse during his
Speaker 2: tenure in Chicago and in Peru, including that he failed
Speaker 2: to do enough to address victim's allegations. Indeed, Sir, in
Speaker 2: Chicago and Peru, he got a questioned on both of
Speaker 2: those places.
Speaker 4: It's not that he who was implemented or accused, it's
Speaker 4: that he didn't do enough whenever a victim would come
Speaker 4: forward to push it to the levels that needed to
Speaker 4: go to or take it serious enough.
Speaker 3: He just kind of turned away from them.
Speaker 2: I feel like, if you're a pope, that has to
Speaker 2: be the first one of the first things that you do.
Speaker 4: Did you notice that when they gave that list of
Speaker 4: everything he needs to face right now? The first thing
Speaker 4: would be the ninety three million dollar deficit. The next
Speaker 4: thing is the children, Like, get fucked.
Speaker 2: Where do you think that deficit comes from. It comes
Speaker 2: from paying off all the fucking families from child abuse.
Speaker 3: No, they don't pay them off. They don't pay them off.
Speaker 4: They just tell them that they're doing something to the
Speaker 4: priest and then they rotate them out like five parishes
Speaker 4: away where nobody knows his name.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 2: Remember, we did a show a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: where somebody came on and was talking about the amount
Speaker 2: of money that has been dished out to victims of
Speaker 2: rape abuse rape abuse from the church. It was in
Speaker 2: the millions.
Speaker 3: Okay, I could believe that.
Speaker 2: It was like it was like like one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars per day that it came out on
Speaker 2: average that the church is dishing out to victims. It
Speaker 2: was something crazy.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, it's it's pretty wild, but anyway, it
Speaker 2: says the Vatican has denied previous engaged in any wrongdoing,
Speaker 2: and the former cardinal has drawn plaudits in other cases
Speaker 2: for helping address abuse threats. He has also advocated for
Speaker 2: more transparency on the topic from the Church and an
Speaker 2: inner view with the Peruvian newspaper La Republica. He has
Speaker 2: denounced clergy sexual abuse and urged victims to come forward.
Speaker 2: And Peru he helped dissolve an ultra conservative Catholic movement
Speaker 2: solid sodality of Christian life after investigations uncovered years of
Speaker 2: sexual abuses, corruption, and mismanagement. According to the Vatican News,
Speaker 2: still survivors are worried he will not take enough stance
Speaker 2: to eradicate abuse within the church.
Speaker 4: That's him actually, as a younger man standing next to
Speaker 4: Pope John Paul the Second, now canonized as a saint.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about some cases in Chicago and Peru
Speaker 4: that spur questions of accountability and transparency.
Speaker 2: While Provos led the Augustinians in Chicago in two thousand,
Speaker 2: a priest whose former ministry years earlier had been restricted
Speaker 2: over allegations of child abuse, moved into an Augustinian monastery
Speaker 2: near a Catholic elementary school. Wait a second, yeah, a priest.
Speaker 2: Wait was he the priest that No?
Speaker 3: No, no.
Speaker 4: The Catholic Church has said that the guy himself, Leo,
Speaker 4: has never been accused of any wrongdoings. But while he
Speaker 4: was there in Chicago in two thousand, there was a
Speaker 4: priest out there doing priestly shit who had been accused
Speaker 4: of allegations of child abuse. Moved to an Augustinian monastery
Speaker 4: near a Catholic elementary school, and church officials at the
Speaker 4: time failed to notify the school, and according to the
Speaker 4: Chicago Sun Times, church records even claimed there was no
Speaker 4: school nearby.
Speaker 2: Wow, so he's another one that's just like, hey, let's
Speaker 2: sleep them, sweep them underneath the rug. We'll send him
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Nobody's gonna know.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: It said that he denounced them, right, and he helped
Speaker 4: dissolve a Catholic movement that was under investigation after this
Speaker 4: uncovered years of the abuse.
Speaker 3: It's not like he was spearheading it. He was involved.
Speaker 3: That could have mean that he did paperwork for it.
Speaker 2: I mean, he could have been one of the votes
Speaker 2: that was like, all right, let's do something with these guys.
Speaker 2: And maybe he was on the losing side of that art.
Speaker 2: We don't know the specifics of it, but even still,
Speaker 2: just the part that he was he was part of
Speaker 2: a church that decided not to punish this guy. Not
Speaker 2: only to not punish him, let's send him to a
Speaker 2: monastery that is right next to a fucking elementary school
Speaker 2: and not even tell them that there is there's a
Speaker 2: predator about. Like that's crazy to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and don't don't tell them that there's a predator
Speaker 4: going on, and just don't and then change the record
Speaker 4: later to say there wasn't even a school nearby it,
Speaker 4: when like it's pretty obvious to see if there's a
Speaker 4: school nearby your monastery.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like Google maps could prove that.
Speaker 2: Here's an idea if you're a pedophile, you don't get, uh,
Speaker 2: the priestly judiciary whatever kind of system of just sending
Speaker 2: them somewhere else, put them in fucking jail like the
Speaker 2: rest of the pedos, Like, what are we doing with this?
Speaker 3: I agree? I agree, or just killed them or killed.
Speaker 2: Them too, that's cool too, castrate them And actually I
Speaker 2: think I would actually prefer to just castrate them and
Speaker 2: then firing squad. But give it time for the firing squad.
Speaker 2: I want him to live all, like, at least a
Speaker 2: year without his dick, just to see how that feels.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but their hands can also still be used to
Speaker 4: hurt kids.
Speaker 3: A good point. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway, let's keep out.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and six, the Illinois Attorney General added
Speaker 2: the priest James Ray to its public list of abusive
Speaker 2: clerics and religious brothers, claiming there were thirteen reported survivors
Speaker 2: between seventy four and nineteen ninety one. The Vatican has
Speaker 2: denied the Previoust permitted Ray to live at the monastery.
Speaker 2: Prevost also faces allegations of inaction in connection with his
Speaker 2: time in northwestern Peru while he served as a bishop
Speaker 2: in Chichleo. In twenty twenty two, three women came forward
Speaker 2: with allegations that they were sexually abused by two priests
Speaker 2: beginning in two thousand and seven when they were minors.
Speaker 4: And he was the bishop at that time, meaning that
Speaker 4: it was his job to decide what happened next.
Speaker 2: The victim said in a public statement the prevous failed
Speaker 2: to thoroughly look into the allegations. They said in quotes.
Speaker 2: No investigation was carried out, nor were the precautionary measures
Speaker 2: for the protection of the faithful boys and girls. The
Speaker 2: case was filed and archived. Wow, Okay, now he's a
Speaker 2: piece of shit.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying here. Now, I don't know
Speaker 4: how valid these things are. By the way, there's the
Speaker 4: USA Today article. Good cult members listen, and again this
Speaker 4: is what I'm saying. There's a lot of things about
Speaker 4: him that seem like good things. Then you start learning
Speaker 4: that he's a little bit more of a Francis two
Speaker 4: point zero, not super thrilled about that. And then you
Speaker 4: see this where it's not that he is, you know,
Speaker 4: doing anything to hurt children, but he's also not doing
Speaker 4: anything to protect them. And it's like ooh oo oo
Speaker 4: oo ooh, these are some serious allegations being brought against
Speaker 4: him right now now only two days in office as
Speaker 4: a time of recording anyway, So I really hope he's
Speaker 4: able to field these curve balls when they get thrown
Speaker 4: at him here soon on a very loud public scale.
Speaker 2: See, you know what, like why are there not security
Speaker 2: cameras in these churches, because clearly that's probably where it's
Speaker 2: going down, right, like somewhere in like a confession booth
Speaker 2: or some bullshit, Like, I don't know if it's going
Speaker 2: down there, but I would have to imagine it's happening
Speaker 2: on the campus of the church at the bare minimum.
Speaker 2: Why are with all of this pedophilic shit within the
Speaker 2: Catholic church and we don't have cameras literally covering every
Speaker 2: square inch of these churches? What are we doing? I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: the eye of God is not enough. We need Big
Speaker 2: Brother in these places.
Speaker 4: So usually this is happening in the case where there's
Speaker 4: a school attached to a church, which, to be fair,
Speaker 4: most Catholic churches historically speaking, have schoolhouses attached to them.
Speaker 2: Because cameras in there two.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So like, typically it doesn't happen in the church itself,
Speaker 4: like in the sanctuary with the pews and the stuff.
Speaker 4: It typically happens somewhere on school grounds or maybe in
Speaker 4: his office or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I saw, Like I've read all of the victim reports,
Speaker 4: and I don't know all the comings and goings of
Speaker 4: all these things, but I agree there should be better security.
Speaker 4: But you see that's talking about in Peru, that's a
Speaker 4: very poor country. They don't have security cameras in most
Speaker 4: places in the country, on alone a church, because you
Speaker 4: would think, you would think that's a place where you
Speaker 4: can trust these dudes.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't need that there. But boy oh boy, Snap
Speaker 4: would say otherwise.
Speaker 2: All the money that the Vatican has and it can't
Speaker 2: spare a couple bucks for some security cameras in Peru.
Speaker 3: They're not famillion in the whole as we speak.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I agree with you. I'm sure they still
Speaker 2: got some cheese hidden somewhere.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of gold that they could hawk
Speaker 4: from the Vatican to get there.
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, So anyhow, two months before Prevos
Speaker 2: was elected Pope, Snap or that pedophile organization or the
Speaker 2: hunting for not hunting, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Snap filed a complaint against him with the Vatican, claiming
Speaker 2: that he failed to open an investigation and sent inadequate
Speaker 2: information to Rome. Civil authorities in Peru closed the case
Speaker 2: after a statute of limitations had passed. The Dicastery for
Speaker 2: the Doctrine of Faith, which investigates cases of clergy sexual abuse,
Speaker 2: closed the case in twenty twenty three. In a public
Speaker 2: letter the diocese of Chicago said, isn't that funny he
Speaker 2: went from Chicago to Chicago. Kind of weird anyway, The
Speaker 2: diocese from there said accusations that the former cardinal remained
Speaker 2: silent in the face of the complaints is not true.
Speaker 2: The Vatican has also denied any wrongdoing by Provost. Of
Speaker 2: course they will.
Speaker 3: So, just so we're all clear here.
Speaker 4: Two months before this election, Snap filed a complain against him.
Speaker 4: Then he gets elected, the Vatican says that, oh, well,
Speaker 4: the case you're bringing up, statute of limitations is over.
Speaker 3: On that, you know what.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, fuck statute of limitations. When it comes to
Speaker 4: child abuse. Sorry, fuck your statute of limitations.
Speaker 2: You lose all of your freedom there. You're not a
Speaker 2: human anymore. You are treated as you are a wounded animal,
Speaker 2: and you need to be put down if you touch
Speaker 2: a child or have to be honest, I would even
Speaker 2: make anybody who doesn't not even just the pedophiles, the
Speaker 2: people who are also knowing of the pedophilia and not
Speaker 2: doing something about it. Whenever they have the power to
Speaker 2: buy you go.
Speaker 3: To If you are complicit in it, yes, then you
Speaker 3: are equally guilty. In my opinion, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry exactly way it is. Yep, you're a guilty party.
Speaker 4: I have done fucking literally anything dog like the smallest
Speaker 4: bit of effort would have gone a mile. But okay,
Speaker 4: and you were the bishop at the time, you could
Speaker 4: actually push that forward.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so that happens two months prior to this election.
Speaker 4: This is in this is May eighth, So in March
Speaker 4: Snap posted a complaint against him. Then their response to
Speaker 4: this complaint was statute of limitations. You know, that's an
Speaker 4: old thing. By the way, that case is closed in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Anyway, so like we're just not worried
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Also, keep in mind, the pope died what was it,
Speaker 2: The Pope died in April I think, and this guy
Speaker 2: was literally zero zero point zero five percent of people
Speaker 2: were thinking that this guy was going to become the
Speaker 2: new pope. So it wasn't like these people were like, oh,
Speaker 2: this guy's about to get elected, let's try and shit
Speaker 2: on him as much as we can. They didn't have
Speaker 2: that forethought, Like they didn't know that the pope, I mean,
Speaker 2: the Pope was obviously in sickness. But even still, even
Speaker 2: if you knew that there was going to be a
Speaker 2: new pope. The last thing you thought that there was
Speaker 2: going to be an American pope. Nonetheless, this guy right.
Speaker 4: Right, all the experts that we saw, because I looked
Speaker 4: up a good number of lists that I didn't bring
Speaker 4: up on the show, this guy's name was on none
Speaker 4: of them. An American pope, dude, that is as crazy
Speaker 4: as a black or Asian pope. Like, no way, Although
Speaker 4: they really liked Filipino Boy, he was a strong favorite potential.
Speaker 4: Then they get there. One hundred and thirty five dudes voted.
Speaker 4: One hundred and thirty three of them said no, the
Speaker 4: American guy.
Speaker 2: Bro what Yeah, honestly, it's like it's like John Kerry
Speaker 2: getting elected for the Nation of Islam or something. You know,
Speaker 2: it just made no sense really.
Speaker 4: Right right exactly. It blows the mind, it really does.
Speaker 4: But anyway, provost prevotes, excuse me, help bring down an
Speaker 4: abusive Catholic group in South America.
Speaker 3: I think that might be what we kind of talked
Speaker 3: about earlier.
Speaker 4: But let's learn a little bit because he has at
Speaker 4: least something showing he did something.
Speaker 2: Pedro Salinas Selena's one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 2: Anything for d Selena's but it says. A Peruvian journalist
Speaker 2: who wrote a bombshell expose on Soda Lidium of Christian
Speaker 2: Life in twenty fifteen, said Prevosts played an extremely important
Speaker 2: role in the Catholics Movement. Catholic movement's dissolution. Leaders of
Speaker 2: the ultra conservative group founded in Peru had faced widespread
Speaker 2: allegations of corruption, as well as physical, psychological, and sexual violence,
Speaker 2: including against miners. In January, Provost and Pope Francis, who
Speaker 2: had long paid close attention to the case, met with
Speaker 2: Jose Enrique Escardo, one of the group's victims, who spoke
Speaker 2: out against the movement and its abuses. Pope Francis dissolved
Speaker 2: the movement weeks before he died. According to the Vatican News,
Speaker 2: it was a stunning and extremely rare outcome, said Bishop Accountability.
Speaker 2: His name is Bishop Accountability.
Speaker 3: That's funny. Now that's a victim's advocacy group.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, a victim's advacy group in a statement after
Speaker 2: Prevosts was elected Pope. Yet punishing abusers isn't heroic, it's
Speaker 2: moral and decent. We pray we see more of this
Speaker 2: decisive action by Prevost when he is the pope.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you dissolved in order. That's excellent.
Speaker 4: Didn't really say much about what they did as far
Speaker 4: as punishments go, did they. They just kind of said
Speaker 4: that punishments were doled out in the form of fucking
Speaker 4: what dog?
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, the best kind of punishment we can have.
Speaker 2: Let's just send them to another church.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe probably they got excommunicated, which is like
Speaker 4: their version of the highest form of punishment.
Speaker 2: I mean, statistically speaking, Okham's raiser, we would probably say,
Speaker 2: like most likely is that he gets sent to another church.
Speaker 2: That's how they usually cover that up. But anyway, so,
Speaker 2: speaking to the media on May eighth, Bishop Carlos Garcia
Speaker 2: com Matter, the head of Peru's Bishop's Conference, praise prevosts
Speaker 2: work with abused survivors, saying he opened the way here
Speaker 2: in Peru to listen to victims, to organize the Truth
Speaker 2: Commission against the Solidium of Christian Life. In public statements,
Speaker 2: Prevos has stated firmly that he stands with sex abuse
Speaker 2: in church. In twenty nineteens he stands against sex abuse
Speaker 2: in church. What did I say with, Oh, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a big difference.
Speaker 3: Might the opposite of the sentence there, But let's keep
Speaker 3: going my bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it sounded I was like, with why
Speaker 2: are they parading that? That doesn't make any sense anyway.
Speaker 2: Against sex abuse in the church in twenty nineteen. In
Speaker 2: the twenty nine nineteen interview with Lyi Republica, he encouraged
Speaker 2: victims of abuse to come forward and said he supported
Speaker 2: more transparency from the church. We reject the cover up
Speaker 2: in secrecy that does a lot of damage because we
Speaker 2: have to help the people who suffered from the bad act,
Speaker 2: he said, later, adding on behalf of the church. We
Speaker 2: want people to know that if there was any offense,
Speaker 2: if they suffered or are victims of the bad actions
Speaker 2: of a priest, to come and denounce it, to act
Speaker 2: for the good of the church, of the person and
Speaker 2: of the community.
Speaker 4: So if that's true, then why did snap have a
Speaker 4: case on him two months ago? And why were they
Speaker 4: shown the door saying that oh statute of limitations and
Speaker 4: the case was closed anyway two years ago, so don't
Speaker 4: worry about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a little bit of a problem with that.
Speaker 3: So all right, and who knows, not a record gonna
Speaker 3: shake out.
Speaker 4: You know, it's very possible that investigations will be launched.
Speaker 4: Truth will be shown, and maybe he did actually take
Speaker 4: a stance and the people didn't know that he took
Speaker 4: a stance.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: But two days in office and he's already getting these
Speaker 4: allegations thrown at him.
Speaker 3: So now that leads me to my final point here.
Speaker 4: Okay, So this was published May ninth, A thousand year
Speaker 4: old prophecy predicted newly elected pope as the last with
Speaker 4: terrifying warning to humanity. This is from lad Bible. Let's
Speaker 4: read about it, dude. Apparently Pope Leo the fourteenth has
Speaker 4: been elected, and it's apparently bad news.
Speaker 2: Okay. Catholics around the world are currently rejoicing after the
Speaker 2: Vatican College of Cardinals has elected Pope Leo for the
Speaker 2: fourteenth to lead the church. Pope Leo the fourteenth, formerly
Speaker 2: known as Cardinal Robert Privos, was confirmed as a new
Speaker 2: pontiff earlier today, just weeks after the death of Pope
Speaker 2: Francis at the age of eighty eight on Easter Monday.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you see that?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: So he holy?
Speaker 3: He died at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, he died at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Eighty second four to two. Is that what you're about
Speaker 3: to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's four times twenty two?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 2: Buddy, God, I don't even know what to say to
Speaker 2: that anymore. Dude, who of all days is that? Is
Speaker 2: fucking wild? Anyway, the sight of white smoke drifting from
Speaker 2: the chimney of the Sistine Chapel should be a moment
Speaker 2: of joy for followers of the Catholic Church, as well
Speaker 2: as the people of America and Peru, where Pope Leo
Speaker 2: the fourteenth spent the majority of his career. However, there
Speaker 2: is one group of people who are treating the election
Speaker 2: of a new pope with hesitance. Enter the conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 3: With a.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we are present, we are here, let's talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Yes we are, we are the cult of Conspiracy. I
Speaker 2: would say, indeed pretty much near the top of that list.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's a that's right, folks, enjoy the election
Speaker 2: of Pope Leo the fourteenth while you can. Because a
Speaker 2: resurfaced one hundred year old prophecy suggests the sixty nine
Speaker 2: year old will apparently be the last Bishop of Rome.
Speaker 4: I think I'm meant to say thousand because the title
Speaker 4: set thousand and that.
Speaker 2: Let's go to a thousand. Oh yeah, it must be. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's right, I remember reading about this. So, as some
Speaker 2: of you may already be aware, we're previous. We've previously
Speaker 2: covered the resurgence of a text allegedly written in the
Speaker 2: eleven hundreds by a fellow by the name of Saint
Speaker 2: Malachi known as simply Malachi during his lifetime, titled Prophecy
Speaker 2: of the Popes uh. Following the theme of most texts
Speaker 2: which began with the word prophecy, Saint Malachi's prediction don't
Speaker 2: see a pretty ending for mankind. According to Malachi's text,
Speaker 2: there would be a further one hundred and twelve popes
Speaker 2: after his lifetime. The list ends with an ominous reference
Speaker 2: to a man named Peter the Roman, who is serving
Speaker 2: as the Bishop of Rome during end times. According to
Speaker 2: the text, Peter the Roman's tenure unfolds in the following manner.
Speaker 2: In quotes Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep
Speaker 2: in many tribulations and with the When these things are finished,
Speaker 2: the city of seven Hills will be destroyed, and the
Speaker 2: dreadful judge will judge his people the end.
Speaker 3: I mean it sounds like some d time prophecy to
Speaker 3: meet dog do.
Speaker 2: At least for the Catholic Church. Now, of course, the
Speaker 2: skeptics among us will be very quick to notice that
Speaker 2: Peter the Romans sounds nothing like Pope Leo the fourteenth.
Speaker 2: The pontiff's full birth name, Robert Francis Prevous, doesn't even
Speaker 2: include the name Peter either, So it's pretty safe to
Speaker 2: assume old Saint Malachi missed the mark. On that one
Speaker 2: missed the mark he sinned.
Speaker 4: I think, Oh, you say that right, except for so
Speaker 4: the fact that every pope is the successor of Peter.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I guess so, so, it says. The text
Speaker 2: also gets his nationality wrong, as Pope Leo the fourteenth
Speaker 2: holds both American and Peruvian citizenship, not Italian, as a
Speaker 2: moniker such as the Roman would suggest. Fortunately for us,
Speaker 2: the prophecy has been largely largely debunked, it says. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: others have believed that late Pope Francis could have been
Speaker 2: the fateful Peter the Roman. However, this theory has been
Speaker 2: completely rubbish over the years for similar reasons. Josh.
Speaker 4: That being said, hold on, now, Peter the Roman literally
Speaker 4: just means the Pope. The Vatican City is within Rome,
Speaker 4: so that title can be transferred as well, which, if
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, didn't we say earlier that your boy
Speaker 4: provost here is Italian by his dad, by his lineage.
Speaker 3: So like, I don't know, but all right, let's keep going.
Speaker 2: All right, Josh Canning, director of Toronto's chaplaincy at at
Speaker 2: the Newman Center, said in twenty thirteen via Global News,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can connect Peter the Roman
Speaker 2: with Pope Francis. So if we just happen to wake
Speaker 2: up tomorrow and find comments raining from the sky and
Speaker 2: nuclear missiles flying left and right, then I'll be happy,
Speaker 2: or I'll happily hold my hands up and say I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: But for now, I think Poblio the fourteenth probably has
Speaker 2: more pressing matters than a prophecy which may or may
Speaker 2: not have been written by a guy named Saint Malachi.
Speaker 4: Okay, but he also said it would be one hundred
Speaker 4: and twelve popes after his death, and then it would
Speaker 4: be the end. So is it possible that that's just
Speaker 4: the random rantings of a dude from the eleven hundreds. Sure,
Speaker 4: it's very possible. People write down things all the time
Speaker 4: they don't come through to fruition, and I'm not even saying,
Speaker 4: thankfully believe that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you just said it like the Peter
Speaker 2: the Roman, it's basically the pope, right, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: whenever the final pope goes down or dies, which all
Speaker 2: popes essentially would be Peter the Roman, right, I mean
Speaker 2: if it just translates to pope, if all popes or
Speaker 2: if the final pope ends up going down, then yeah,
Speaker 2: it's armageddon, that's what you would assume, right.
Speaker 4: And I'm trying to figure out when Malachi or Malich Malachi.
Speaker 4: I've heard it pronounced both ways because Malachi and the
Speaker 4: Bible ended with a chi.
Speaker 3: This one's a chy but whatever, right?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So when Saint Malachi wrote this down eleven hundreds, I'm
Speaker 4: just curious how many popes there have been from that
Speaker 4: time to now because everybody was sure that it was
Speaker 4: Pope Francis that was the guy. Was that the hundred
Speaker 4: and twelfth pope? Or is this guy the hundred and
Speaker 4: twelfth Pope?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know good cult members. I don't know
Speaker 4: all the things and all the stuff. As we're talking
Speaker 4: about pope prophecies and things. This guy also, as we said,
Speaker 4: kind of seems like he's gonna shake out to be
Speaker 4: a Francis two point zero. So and I'm not saying
Speaker 4: they are one and the same person, not at all.
Speaker 4: I get that, but I think it's worth mentioning that
Speaker 4: all of these things happening at the same time, the
Speaker 4: world spinning in the way that it is currently going.
Speaker 4: Politics going the way it is, economics going the way
Speaker 4: it is, border policies, all of the shit wars, all
Speaker 4: of this, and now as we had so many people
Speaker 4: not want American pope to happen unless America was to
Speaker 4: fall from political grace, and now we got an American
Speaker 4: pope and he himself comes from this Augustinian order, right.
Speaker 4: The last pope was a Jesuit and people lost their
Speaker 4: shit over that. So I'm just saying it's a very
Speaker 4: interesting time to be alive with this whole situation. You know,
Speaker 4: good cult memories that we had to make an episode
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 3: This is what we do.
Speaker 4: So I hope everybody found a little bit of some
Speaker 4: education on this, found some interesting things that maybe you
Speaker 4: won't hear on the mainstream media and the legacy news
Speaker 4: and all these things.
Speaker 3: This is what we do. Is we dive deep?
Speaker 2: That is what we do, sir. Yeah, I was just
Speaker 2: looking up a little bit more of the numerology, just
Speaker 2: because that's my jam right there. Yeah, I mean as
Speaker 2: far as I mean. It's not eighty eight, but the
Speaker 2: number eight. If you take uh peter in Roman, it
Speaker 2: translates numerologically from uh uh peter would be one, Roman
Speaker 2: would be seven eight right there. Anyway, I'm a nut
Speaker 2: for numerology. So if you guys want to, you know,
Speaker 2: dive into that this, you know, get get some kind
Speaker 2: of AI to be able to decode it. There's also
Speaker 2: jematrix dot org, which if you want to look into
Speaker 2: I'm sorry not Joe Matrix. Uh gum Atrix. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: It's a hard g as your boy Royce likes to say,
Speaker 2: but big facts. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it is interesting.
Speaker 2: There's I think that a lot of wild things are
Speaker 2: going to be transpiring. Uh, we're we're still very early.
Speaker 2: He was just elected on the eighth tim of recording
Speaker 2: right now where I think it's the tenth right now, right,
Speaker 2: so is it the tenth?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well midnight and now it's the eleventh.
Speaker 2: Now it's the eleventh. Yeah, yeah, we record late because
Speaker 2: we got kids and shit. But uh, but yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: this was a fun episode. It was nice getting to
Speaker 2: know the entire story and a lot of the conspiracies
Speaker 2: with him. We'll see how he handles a lot of
Speaker 2: the pedophilia moving forward. Hopefully he does a good job
Speaker 2: with it. I can't imagine that he does, because his
Speaker 2: track record doesn't assume that. So yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: He took that hard stance allegedly and dissolved that organization
Speaker 4: that was doing the horrible things.
Speaker 3: Cool that I'm not negating that.
Speaker 4: If he did in fact have a lead role in
Speaker 4: the dissolving of that organization, excellent fucking props. I would
Speaker 4: be very interested to what level of punishment that they
Speaker 4: gave these people. If it was just excommunication, then I
Speaker 4: have a problem with you, Like, oh, yeah, you did
Speaker 4: what to those kids? Or you're not Catholic anymore. You're
Speaker 4: going to hell na, bitch, nah, bitch.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need to see I'm gonna need to see
Speaker 3: some more physical things.
Speaker 2: You go to hell right now? How about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right right now. Yeah, let's make that happen. And it's
Speaker 4: in Peru, So like don't act like you didn't have
Speaker 4: the means.
Speaker 2: They got cartels closer to the equator there, baby, right.
Speaker 4: So I look, and again, these allegations that were brought up,
Speaker 4: we at this moment do not know the validity of them.
Speaker 4: We don't know the depths of them. We don't know
Speaker 4: if that case was really thrown out in the Statute
Speaker 4: of Limitations was thrown on it, which if that was
Speaker 4: the case, fuck them. We also know that his political
Speaker 4: leanings on one side have been very conservative and Republican,
Speaker 4: and in the last decade he's been pushing more climate change,
Speaker 4: inclusion of the marginalized, the open border.
Speaker 3: Policy and all these things. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of hypotheticals up in the air of
Speaker 4: one way or another this guy can go.
Speaker 3: We need to keep an eye on it. We definitely do.
Speaker 4: And again, even as an American on one side, a
Speaker 4: fucking stoked in American is the pope that's legit. On
Speaker 4: the other side, I also take that as a sign
Speaker 4: of the times. And if those dudes one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty three of the one hundred and thirty five voted
Speaker 4: yes to the American guy instead of these staunch Europeans
Speaker 4: and the traditions and all the things that's also a
Speaker 4: potentially a bit troubling good sir, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. We will definitely see what comes
Speaker 2: from it, but it remains to be seen. We will
Speaker 2: give them, you know, we'll give them a little bit
Speaker 2: of time see what transpires from then. But until then, Jacob,
Speaker 2: how about a little send off, sir.
Speaker 4: Indeed, indeed, as they're talking about all this stuff with
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