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Speaker 3: Welcome to Veterans Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumb. This our guest
Speaker 3: in this edition is Rob Riggle. You know him as
Speaker 3: an actor and comedian, but he's also a US Marine
Speaker 3: Corps veteran who served in both Afghanistan and Kosovo, and
Speaker 3: he also served in the immediate aftermath of the nine
Speaker 3: to eleven attacks at Ground Zero in New York City.
Speaker 3: And Rob, it's always great to see you.
Speaker 1: Thanks to see you, Nice to see you. Well.
Speaker 3: We talked with you last year and we heard a
Speaker 3: lot about how you joined the Corps and how the
Speaker 3: Corp actually was a major factor in your success as
Speaker 3: a comedian and actor. And one of the things that
Speaker 3: we touched on, but I think we need to go
Speaker 3: into more detail, is your role as a reservist in
Speaker 3: New York City on nine to eleven, and so explain
Speaker 3: what you were doing leading up to that day, what
Speaker 3: was your assignment, and then how that day unfolded.
Speaker 4: So I had just left active duty, not more than
Speaker 4: I have nine or ten months prior to nine to
Speaker 4: eleven happening. I had joined a Marine Reserve unit in
Speaker 4: Manhattan MTU seventeen, Marine Training Unit seventeen, and I was,
Speaker 4: you know, I had a day job and at night
Speaker 4: I was pursuing comedy and I was staying in the
Speaker 4: Reserves because I love the Marine Corps and I wanted
Speaker 4: to stay connected and I wanted to just still be
Speaker 4: a part of it. But I also wanted to be
Speaker 4: a comedian and actor, and I needed to stay in New
Speaker 4: York to make that happen. So when they got me
Speaker 4: new orders on active duty, they wanted me to go
Speaker 4: to Fort Meet and teach journalism or something, and I
Speaker 4: was like, so, I said, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 4: to go ahead and get out of active duty and
Speaker 4: join the reserves and stay in Manhattan and keep pursuing
Speaker 4: comedy and acting.
Speaker 1: And then within nine months of.
Speaker 4: That happening, nine to eleven happened, and.
Speaker 1: We were attacked, and everybody remembers that day.
Speaker 4: If you were an adult and an American, you'll never
Speaker 4: forget that day, just like the generation before us will
Speaker 4: never forget Pearl Harbor. You know, the shock and the surprise,
Speaker 4: and we had so much you know, obviously times have change,
Speaker 4: so we have such graphic video and such recording of
Speaker 4: it that it affected everybody deeply. And I was obviously
Speaker 4: in Manhattan on nine to eleven. I was at work.
Speaker 1: I had gone in. It was a beautiful day. I
Speaker 1: had just gotten back from vacation.
Speaker 4: I think it was a Tuesday morning, and so I
Speaker 4: was kind of it was getting back into the swing
Speaker 4: of things at the office, and I had just spent
Speaker 4: a lovely vacation with my with my wife and family,
Speaker 4: and we had come home and it was gorgeous, and
Speaker 4: I remember walking to work and thinking, what a perfect day,
Speaker 4: you know, it was wonderful and got to my office
Speaker 4: and my assistant at one point came in and said, Hey,
Speaker 4: I just heard a plane hit the World Trade Center.
Speaker 4: Then I'm a pilot, you know, I have my pilot's license,
Speaker 4: and I thought, well, that's interesting, you know, and I
Speaker 4: kind of was behind on work, so I went back
Speaker 4: to work and then I started thinking about it. I
Speaker 4: was like, well, how did that happen? Because you know,
Speaker 4: this is a perfect day, you know. So I jumped
Speaker 4: up and I said, hey, tell me what happened, and
Speaker 4: she was like, I don't know, it's all happening right now.
Speaker 4: And so we turned on the television and we found
Speaker 4: the coverage and you could see smoke coming out of
Speaker 4: the World Trade Center and I remember thinking, well, that
Speaker 4: looks too big to be like a little cess now
Speaker 4: or a little private plane to make that much in
Speaker 4: a smoke, and we were debating it and talking about
Speaker 4: what it could be, and you know, and that just
Speaker 4: doesn't seem possible on a day like today for a
Speaker 4: commercial pilot. So you know, all this is happening, and
Speaker 4: nobody knows anything yet. Like the remember that the phone
Speaker 4: the phone lines weren't bursting out. Nothing had really unfolded.
Speaker 4: We were still waiting for the other shooter drop, I guess.
Speaker 4: And I called my my wife at the time, and
Speaker 4: she was working closer to downtown. I worked on forty
Speaker 4: second in Park Avenue and she worked down probably around
Speaker 4: thirtieth and seventh Avenue, so she was down in the
Speaker 4: garment district a little closer and she had big windows
Speaker 4: on her facing south, and she said she was watching
Speaker 4: it live and I said, are you seeing this? And
Speaker 4: we were talking and then I heard big screaming from
Speaker 4: her office and I said, what happened?
Speaker 1: Hap, what happened?
Speaker 4: And she said, another plane just flew into the to
Speaker 4: the other World Trade Center. And I remember thinking, what
Speaker 4: that doesn't add up at all, And immediately I was like,
Speaker 4: I think we're under attack, which sounded crazy to say,
Speaker 4: but I you know, you can't. It can't dispute it.
Speaker 4: Something's going on. So I said, I think we're under attack.
Speaker 4: I ran back out to my office. They were all
Speaker 4: watching in shock because it happened live. So I had
Speaker 4: my X on the phone and I said, stay there,
Speaker 4: I'm coming to get you. So I left my office
Speaker 4: and ran down to where she was, and I remember
Speaker 4: when I got out on the streets. It was a
Speaker 4: very surreal moment because I think the trains had stopped
Speaker 4: at that point, and I just remember everybody was on
Speaker 4: the surface, so you had the sidewalks were packed, but
Speaker 4: the traffic wasn't moving. I mean, the hostital bustle of
Speaker 4: New York City. You know, it's it's legendary, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 4: But for whatever reason, you had all these people on
Speaker 4: the surface. Nobody was underground. Everybody was on the surface.
Speaker 4: The traffic had stopped, but there were no horns, there
Speaker 4: was no talking, and it was just this very eerie quiet.
Speaker 4: And I remember I was going down Fifth Avenue. I
Speaker 4: had cut over from Park to Fifth and I was
Speaker 4: headed down Fifth to get over seventh, you know.
Speaker 1: Thirtieth or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I remember going down Parking and you could see
Speaker 4: smoke all the way downtown. You could see it, and
Speaker 4: there was a state of shock. It was this, you know,
Speaker 4: this is happening, but no one knows what it is yet.
Speaker 4: Nobody knows what it means. Nobody knows what's next, nobody.
Speaker 4: It's very confusing and shocking time. Obviously that's what happens
Speaker 4: in a surprise attack. So I remember getting down to
Speaker 4: my again, my wife at the time. I remember getting
Speaker 4: down to her office, getting her, and then we walked
Speaker 4: back to our apartment, which was up like forty fourth
Speaker 4: in Lexington, So we got back up there and then
Speaker 4: we just did what everybody else did, hunkered down in
Speaker 4: front of our television and tried to figure out what
Speaker 4: was happening. And we watched, like everybody else in horror,
Speaker 4: as the towers fell and people were running for their lives,
Speaker 4: and this was happening just you know, less than a
Speaker 4: mile or a mile away from us, in a place
Speaker 4: that we were very familiar with My wife at the time,
Speaker 4: you know, I the night I proposed to her, I
Speaker 4: took her to Windows on the World, which is the
Speaker 4: restaurant on top of the World Trade Center, and we
Speaker 4: had gone there a couple of times for one or
Speaker 4: two of our anniversaries, and so we were very familiar
Speaker 4: with the whole downtown area and we knew people up
Speaker 4: there and the World Trade Center, so you know, we
Speaker 4: were very concerned and it felt like a sucker punch,
Speaker 4: just like everybody else. That night of September eleventh, pretty
Speaker 4: much that afternoon evening, I got a call from my
Speaker 4: commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Steve Brozak called and said, hey, listen,
Speaker 4: our unit has been activated. So I thought, wow, that
Speaker 4: was fast, but you know, it made sense because we
Speaker 4: were the only marine unit. We were on the reserve
Speaker 4: unit in Manhattan, and all the bridges and tunnels were closed,
Speaker 4: and you know, they didn't know what they were dealing with.
Speaker 4: Everybody was still trying to figure a lot of things
Speaker 4: out there, a lot of questions, a ton more questions
Speaker 4: than there were answers at that time.
Speaker 1: And so I said, what was that? What does that mean?
Speaker 4: He says, we'll put on your boots and utes, utilities
Speaker 4: and boots, and that means for a lot of cami,
Speaker 4: your cami uniform camouflage.
Speaker 1: And so I did what he said. I put it on.
Speaker 4: Next morning, reported to Ground zero one police Plaza, which
Speaker 4: was very close to ground zero, and we formed up
Speaker 4: and they said, okay.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: Nobody knew what was going on, but it was like
Speaker 4: it's search and rescue, so let's go find a place
Speaker 4: and we're going to start moving rubble by hand because
Speaker 4: of the time it was search and rescue, because we
Speaker 4: still thought there could be hundreds, maybe thousands of people
Speaker 4: trapped in this rubble. There was six stories of rubble.
Speaker 4: So you know, these these the towers collapse and when
Speaker 4: they collapsed, they gutted other buildings, They smashed out foundations
Speaker 4: of other building, they smashed out windows of all the
Speaker 4: surrounding buildings. So those had collapsed into six stories of
Speaker 4: rubble and twisted metal and iron and pulverized concrete, which
Speaker 4: that pulverized concrete was kind of a moon dust. You know,
Speaker 4: you'll never forget it, you know, you step on it,
Speaker 4: and it was these clouds and it was everywhere. I
Speaker 4: mean it was a huge radius and papers, papers like
Speaker 4: just everywhere, paper everywhere for blocks in every direction because
Speaker 4: you know, when it came down, it just compressed it
Speaker 4: all out and pushed it out.
Speaker 1: So you got six stories of rubble.
Speaker 4: You've got this powder, which a couple of days later
Speaker 4: it rained, and then that turned into a paste, and
Speaker 4: you had burnout cars and all these fire trucks that
Speaker 4: were burnt out, but there are skeletons of the trucks
Speaker 4: and skeletons of cars, and it was very surreal when
Speaker 4: you walked downtown.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was it was surreal. That's the only way I
Speaker 4: can describe it, because it looked like a movie. It
Speaker 4: felt like it smelled, you know, that of burning whatever
Speaker 4: it was, metal concrete, pulverized concrete, that wet pasty concrete.
Speaker 1: You know, you can it's a very distinct smell.
Speaker 4: And so our unit we went down to one of
Speaker 4: the corners.
Speaker 1: Of the towers.
Speaker 4: I don't know which tower was Tower one, maybe it's
Speaker 4: the one further south, and there was a Burger King
Speaker 4: across the street kind of and the windows had been
Speaker 4: blown out, and you know, all those businesses were just
Speaker 4: you know, devastated, but the burger King, I just remember,
Speaker 4: that's where we staged our gear. That's where we put
Speaker 4: our backpacks and our and canteens and whatever. We would
Speaker 4: stage our gear there and then we literally just formed
Speaker 4: a bucket brigade all the way up this hill like
Speaker 4: ants going up a hill of this rubble, and then
Speaker 4: we were handing buckets up and buckets down and just
Speaker 4: moving the rubble off the pile and down out to
Speaker 4: the outskirts of the you know, the blocks away because
Speaker 4: you couldn't bring any heavy equipment into the area because
Speaker 4: we were afraid of cave ins. And again we thought
Speaker 4: it was you know, search and rescue, so we're trying
Speaker 4: to We're thinking there's bodies under here. So you're picking
Speaker 4: up chunks of rocks and putting in buckets and you're
Speaker 4: sending them up and down, up and down. And from
Speaker 4: the twelfth until the eighteenth, I think we worked, you know,
Speaker 4: twelve hours on, twelve hours off, twelve hours on, twelve
Speaker 4: hours off, twelve hours on, twelve hours off. And you know,
Speaker 4: they gave us a little eventually, like day two or three,
Speaker 4: they gave us a little surgical mask because that moon
Speaker 4: dust was all over the place, right, and so we
Speaker 4: had the little surgical mask on. It wasn't much. It
Speaker 4: was literally just a little paper. I think I had
Speaker 4: more protection at COVID, but we had those. Eventually. Nobody
Speaker 4: liked them because they just it was harder. It was
Speaker 4: so hard to work, you know, trying to breathe through
Speaker 4: that thing. And then our unit stayed there until the eighteenth.
Speaker 4: And then after the eighteenth the word came down that,
Speaker 4: you know, it was no longer search and rescue, that
Speaker 4: it was more search and recovery. And so they started
Speaker 4: bringing in heavier equipment and started moving things with bucket loaders,
Speaker 4: and they started making better progress. And then we were
Speaker 4: pulled off the rubble piles at that point and they
Speaker 4: left it to the firefighters and more to the first responders.
Speaker 4: And our orders were from the September twelfth to the
Speaker 4: September thirtieth, so, and then from the eighteenth or whatever,
Speaker 4: I went over to one police plaza and then just
Speaker 4: tried to help coordinate civilian military efforts whatever that means,
Speaker 4: you know, equipment, cadaver dogs, you know, whatever was coming
Speaker 4: in from military. I would liaison with the NYPD and
Speaker 4: try to work with them. I was a captain at
Speaker 4: the time. I just remember, like everybody, wanting to do something,
Speaker 4: you know, feeling the as every day that ticked off,
Speaker 4: you got more and more upset, more and more angry.
Speaker 4: You couldn't believe this happened, you know, that first couple
Speaker 4: of days. I remember F sixteen's flying around Manhattan very low,
Speaker 4: and you know, it was that shocking moment of oh
Speaker 4: my gosh. I never thought i'd ever see a day
Speaker 4: when I'd have to have F sixteen's flying cover in
Speaker 4: New York City. You know, it just seemed impossible. And
Speaker 4: if you remember back, everybody was hurting, everybody was angry.
Speaker 4: It was a sucker punch, and everybody was couldn't get
Speaker 4: their head wrapped around that. They couldn't understand the evil.
Speaker 4: They were searching for answers. They they didn't know what
Speaker 4: the answers were. They you know, they just a lot
Speaker 4: of people when they're in shock, they can't process. It's natural,
Speaker 4: that's fine. But I and people wanted to help. I
Speaker 4: remember so many times in New York. The people in
Speaker 4: New York were so great. They wanted to help, and
Speaker 4: any way they could. They were bringing clothes and food
Speaker 4: and waters and you know, down to the as close
Speaker 4: as they could get to ground zero and just stay
Speaker 4: right there so that the first responders and anybody down
Speaker 4: there could actually just walk out to where the boundaries
Speaker 4: were and grab water and grab you know, at night,
Speaker 4: if they needed a jacket or whatever. You know, they
Speaker 4: could grab those things and people were donating blood, and
Speaker 4: you know, they just they needed to do something. And
Speaker 4: I was a thirty one year old captain in the
Speaker 4: Marine Corps. I had a pretty high security clearance. I
Speaker 4: knew they were going to need people that I knew
Speaker 4: what this meant. This is not something that you just
Speaker 4: on that scale. You just don't batch your eyes at
Speaker 4: and walk away from. This is going to be We're
Speaker 4: getting involved now. So I called my COO and I
Speaker 4: just said, listen, I know, I've got a green badge,
Speaker 4: which is a TS top secret with a skiff clearance.
Speaker 4: I'm like, they're going to probably need me or they're
Speaker 4: gonna want me, especially for my job at the time,
Speaker 4: which was public affairs. So he h, I said, put
Speaker 4: me back in if you can, you know. And he
Speaker 4: called Central Command down to Tampa and said, hey, I
Speaker 4: got a young captain up here. He's got a green badge,
Speaker 4: if you know, and he wants to get back. In
Speaker 4: November tenth Marine Corps birthday, I got my orders to
Speaker 4: go back to active duty. Down to Central Command. I jumped.
Speaker 4: I rented a car in New York and I drove
Speaker 4: because I didn't have a car at the time, and
Speaker 4: I drove down to Camp La June and I had
Speaker 4: to in process back into active duty.
Speaker 1: From there.
Speaker 4: My parents met me in Camp La June. They were
Speaker 4: in Kansas. They drove out from Kansas and met me
Speaker 4: in Lea June. I turned the rental car back in,
Speaker 4: they gave me their car, and then I drove their
Speaker 4: car down to Tampa and they flew back home, and
Speaker 4: that way I had a car. Got to Tampa on
Speaker 4: the seventeenth of November, checked in to the Public Affairs
Speaker 4: office there and then sent Coome got briefed up on
Speaker 4: what was going on, what we were doing. And then
Speaker 4: the colonel came to me and said, all right, yeah,
Speaker 4: don't unpack. You're going to you know, you're going to Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: So I said, okay, And I was on a plane
Speaker 4: I think the thirtieth of November, and I headed over
Speaker 4: to Uzbekistan to k two, landed there, spent a couple
Speaker 4: of days there, tried to get into Afghanistan a couple
Speaker 4: of times, tried to go over the mountains in a
Speaker 4: Chinook forty seven and that was a harrowing experience. We
Speaker 4: couldn't make it over the mountains. We were flying at night,
Speaker 4: Snow's coming in through the gunner report, you know, So
Speaker 4: you got snow and the fuselage and it's the roughest
Speaker 4: ride ever had my whole life. And so we had
Speaker 4: to turn back halfway and it was I mean, that
Speaker 4: was the longest night. So we didn't make it in
Speaker 4: that night, but I did kiss the ground when I
Speaker 4: got back to Uzbekistan. And then a couple days later
Speaker 4: we I got into masarish Reef and joined up with
Speaker 4: a unit there, an army unit, and started working with
Speaker 4: them and at public affairs and civil affairs capacity and
Speaker 4: stayed with them till early February and then mid February,
Speaker 4: I don't know, somewhere in that February frame, and then
Speaker 4: they had stabilized their mission a lot. We had started
Speaker 4: doing more operations in the south, and so Sentcom called
Speaker 4: me back. I went back, and I got back just
Speaker 4: in time for Operation Anaconda, which I worked at SINCAM
Speaker 4: from the Joint Operation Center out of the JOCK and
Speaker 4: did that and then ended up going back to Afghanistan
Speaker 4: in the summer of two thousand and two for just
Speaker 4: a couple months to two maybe three months tops and
Speaker 4: then came back and my year was up. And then
Speaker 4: I went back to New York and stood by because
Speaker 4: they were gearing up for Iraq, and I didn't know
Speaker 4: if I was going to be involved in that or not.
Speaker 4: And then a year after that, I got on Saturday
Speaker 4: Love and then you know, things started happening on the
Speaker 4: entertainment front. But that's kind of the the story as
Speaker 4: I you know, as I remember it.
Speaker 3: From nine to eleven, there was one story when you
Speaker 3: were working on the rubble pile where you were almost
Speaker 3: seriously injured with life well.
Speaker 4: Because the buildings were all unstable around us, Like even
Speaker 4: a day or two after the nine to eleven you
Speaker 4: had a whole another building collapse like you know World
Speaker 4: Trades hour six or something, you know it was there
Speaker 4: was another whole building that collapsed, and there was another
Speaker 4: building that the Brooks Brother store was it. I remember
Speaker 4: the Brooks brother was down low, but it was an
Speaker 4: office building up top. But it looked like Godzilla had
Speaker 4: just clawed out the front of those building because there
Speaker 4: was just this gash missing. So there's its buildings run stable.
Speaker 4: So with the winds, you know, everybody just didn't know
Speaker 4: what we were dealing with another building could fall, it
Speaker 4: could collapse, and we were working against the clock because
Speaker 4: again we thought there were survivors, so we had to
Speaker 4: be down there.
Speaker 1: We couldn't just leave it.
Speaker 4: And so they had an air raid siren, one of
Speaker 4: those old wirlwater and when that sounded, our job was
Speaker 4: to get out of there, get out, because they were
Speaker 4: afraid of something, a cave in, a collapse, something. So
Speaker 4: that was the only instruction we had was just get out.
Speaker 4: If you hear that, exit, get away from get away
Speaker 4: from ground zero. So yeah, I remember I was down closer.
Speaker 4: I wasn't way up high. I was down closer to
Speaker 4: the base of the pile. And they fired up the alarm,
Speaker 4: so we all start. You know, anytime you start moving quickly,
Speaker 4: it can turn into a route very quickly. You can
Speaker 4: turn into everybody's just running because they don't know, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a panic thing, you know, you know, why why
Speaker 4: are running?
Speaker 1: Why are we running? And then everyone just takes off running.
Speaker 4: And I came running around the corner and they had
Speaker 4: a generator with one of those big lights on top
Speaker 4: of it for night work, and you know, it was
Speaker 4: set up around this in this alleyway and so naturally
Speaker 4: everybody's like ants trying to find their way out. And
Speaker 4: so I came around the corner and ran into this
Speaker 4: generator where the trailer hitch extended out and it was
Speaker 4: right about shin level, and I remember I hit it
Speaker 4: and no problem. You know, I've thought, okay, I'll just
Speaker 4: get it, but the body wave behind me. People just
Speaker 4: kept stacking up on me, and I couldn't necessarily get
Speaker 4: my legs out, and I could feel the pressure, and
Speaker 4: I thought, oh god, I'm going over, but my legs aren't.
Speaker 4: So I thought I'm gonna break my legs here. So
Speaker 4: I remember I had to use my old low post skills,
Speaker 4: give me the old Charles barklay and just drive my
Speaker 4: butt back into everybody.
Speaker 1: And I did.
Speaker 4: I got enough that I could get a little room
Speaker 4: for myself and get up on top top of it,
Speaker 4: and then I just pointed it out to everybody, so
Speaker 4: as people didn't stack up, you know, keep stacking up
Speaker 4: or tripping over it, and I don't think anything happened.
Speaker 4: You know, they sounded the safe to.
Speaker 1: Go back, so we all went back.
Speaker 4: But just you know, those moments, he just didn't know
Speaker 4: what was going to happen next, and so there was
Speaker 4: a tremendous amount of anxiety and sadness. Anxiety, sadness hurt,
Speaker 4: tremendous emotions.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I was thirty one at the time, and you know
Speaker 4: I heard the story about all those traders at Caunter Fitzgerald,
Speaker 4: and you know, these guys are my age, you know,
Speaker 4: and the guys that led the revolt on flight ninety three,
Speaker 4: you know, that guy was my age.
Speaker 1: I remember the name of the lead guy. Do you
Speaker 1: remember Beamer?
Speaker 4: He was my age, He was my exact age. And
Speaker 4: I remember thinking that could have been me, could have
Speaker 4: been me, you know, And so everybody was hurting, everybody
Speaker 4: was sad. It's a tough time.
Speaker 3: You mentioned wearing the mask and the smells that were
Speaker 3: going on there. Obviously now we know about the long
Speaker 3: issues that the folks working down there were dealing with.
Speaker 3: Did that cross your mind at all about some of
Speaker 3: the toxic elements that might have been around you?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't think about it, And when we finally
Speaker 4: heard stories about it, it was years after. For us,
Speaker 4: it was, you know, a couple of years later. And
Speaker 4: I don't think I was down there long enough to
Speaker 4: be honest, you know, we were down there six days,
Speaker 4: probably actually all on the pile, So I don't I
Speaker 4: don't know. For me, I have I've been very blessed.
Speaker 4: I haven't experienced anything. But you know, I think if
Speaker 4: you were down there for a sustained period of time,
Speaker 4: I think, sure, yeah, there could be all kinds of problems.
Speaker 3: Rob, thanks so much for your time today.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Rob Rigel, retired at US Marine Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Rob Rigel.
Speaker 3: That is as well, of course as an actor and comedian.
Speaker 3: I'm Greg Corumbus. This is Veteran's Chronicles. Hi, this is
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