Speaker 1: I'll never get over that experience. Ever. I still think
Speaker 1: about it all the time, especially when I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: there thinking about deep things, you know, like if I'm
Speaker 1: you know, sitting there thinking about like the universe. You know,
Speaker 1: usually at nighttime, I'm outside looking at the stars because
Speaker 1: I'm really into that, like you know, astronomy stuff like that,
Speaker 1: really into that. But I start thinking about those things,
Speaker 1: and then I always land back on that experience, did
Speaker 1: foot because it was it was not something I actually
Speaker 1: believed in by any means. Like I honestly thought all
Speaker 1: the people that I was with at that time were
Speaker 1: fucking crazy. I really did until I had an encounter,
Speaker 1: and that was, you know, mind blowing, mind blowing. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that those things actually existed.
Speaker 2: I don't just take us through it and you know,
Speaker 2: walk us through everything of what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've told people about it, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you it's just terrifying. It's when you
Speaker 1: first see one. Yeah, I don't know about other people,
Speaker 1: but like, come from my background where you know, I
Speaker 1: grew up in the city. I didn't grow up in
Speaker 1: the country, and I didn't grow up around fishing and
Speaker 1: hunting and not. So I'm city guy, you know, and
Speaker 1: so you know, I went camping as a kid things
Speaker 1: like that, you know. I mean I was a little
Speaker 1: familiar with the outdoors, but not like you know, somebody
Speaker 1: that grew up in the country, you know, and they
Speaker 1: might hear things or they hear stories about stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: and they just kind of, I guess accept those things.
Speaker 1: That wasn't me. I was, you know, so whenever I
Speaker 1: had that encounter, it terrified me. It terrified me on
Speaker 1: so many different levels, you know. But the actual encounter itself, well,
Speaker 1: let me back up a little bit. My friend, I've
Speaker 1: noticed it's high school. It was really into cryptozoology and
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and all those different things, those legends you know
Speaker 1: that we're those ones, the Moffman and the Jersey Devil
Speaker 1: and things like that. So he was really into that stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't really think it was you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know he took it that seriously, you know,
Speaker 1: where he was actually going up with groups of people
Speaker 1: and going around looking for the thing, you know, looking
Speaker 1: for Bigfoot. And so I remember he asked me to
Speaker 1: go with him on this one outing, and I honestly
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be more like this camping
Speaker 1: and people just talking about it and about Bigfoot and
Speaker 1: maybe venture to the woods around the campsite. You know,
Speaker 1: I really didn't think it was going to be, you know,
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. So to me, it was like, oh, cool,
Speaker 1: I get to you know, go out of town for
Speaker 1: the weekend and be out, be out in the woods,
Speaker 1: you know, be lake. You know. So that was my
Speaker 1: understanding kind of until we got there and uh, there
Speaker 1: was all these people from all around the country, around
Speaker 1: the United States, you know, from different states, things like that,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of interesting, you know to listen
Speaker 1: to them talk about these big foots and what I'd
Speaker 1: gathered was because before that, like I said, didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about it. You know, I didn't know there was
Speaker 1: more than one. I didn't know that they were like
Speaker 1: a species of of what do you call them? Homine
Speaker 1: or the ominants? What do you call it?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's for debate, it's you know, whatever anybody
Speaker 2: wants to think they are at this point.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean just by my language there,
Speaker 1: you know, I still don't know a whole lot about them.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really delve into it, you know.
Speaker 2: But you were you were coming into this as a
Speaker 2: complete non believer, total skeptic, yeap, and just bigfoot is
Speaker 2: just you know, this myth or this legend or whatever.
Speaker 2: You're going on this camp out, and now you've met
Speaker 2: up with this group of people who apparently take it
Speaker 2: pretty serious and they're just talking matter of factly as
Speaker 2: these things are real, they exist. What was that like
Speaker 2: for you hearing them talk about it from that aspect?
Speaker 2: Did you just think that they were like all liars
Speaker 2: are and crazy?
Speaker 1: Like what were you thinking? Well, I don't I would
Speaker 1: not go that far to say I think they were liars,
Speaker 1: because the things they were saying, there was patterns to
Speaker 1: what they were saying, you know, when they would talk
Speaker 1: about their first encounters and things like that, you know,
Speaker 1: which is kind of outside the norm, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I'm from the streets, man, I get
Speaker 1: spot a liar from a million miles away, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And these people didn't really seem like that.
Speaker 1: To me. It was a little alienating because it was like,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything in common with these folks. I
Speaker 1: have nothing in common other than we have a mutual friend,
Speaker 1: you know, and Uh. I mean, these are the type
Speaker 1: of people that like carry like the shotguns in the
Speaker 1: back of the window of their trucks, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they're used to being out in the
Speaker 1: woods and like being around some stuff, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: I just wasn't that type of guy, you know, And
Speaker 1: so it was a little alienating. I kept my mouth
Speaker 1: shut mostly and listened. And so just listening to them,
Speaker 1: you know, talk, I started thinking, well, these people are
Speaker 1: I think they're crazy. I hate to say that too,
Speaker 1: you know, but like, yeah, it's kind of thought they're crazy,
Speaker 1: and maybe they just thought they saw something, you know,
Speaker 1: and because I think that your mind could play tricks
Speaker 1: on you, you know. But but then again, just listening
Speaker 1: to them, like like I said, they just seemed too
Speaker 1: consistent with their stories, and so maybe there was something
Speaker 1: to it, you know. Yeah, And so we went to
Speaker 1: that outing and there I did have an experience during
Speaker 1: that outing. It was in Sulfur, Oklahoma. And the experience
Speaker 1: we had, you know, I didn't see a big foot,
Speaker 1: didn't you know. I didn't really think that what really
Speaker 1: was a big foot. They kept talking about the smell.
Speaker 1: It it's here, it's here, It's not far away from us,
Speaker 1: you smell that stench. And I did smell a stench.
Speaker 1: It was really kind of crazy because we weren't really
Speaker 1: that far away from water, but we were far enough
Speaker 1: to where it would be I have a trek to
Speaker 1: get there, you know. Yeah, And like the stench just
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. And then I started thinking, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: those are probably bores or something, you know, like they know.
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine a boor smells great.
Speaker 2: Did it smell like anything that you had smelled before?
Speaker 1: No, not really. I mean I wouldn't say garbage, like
Speaker 1: from a garbage truck, you know, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of hard to describe honestly, like the stench,
Speaker 1: but it's stank. Oh yeah, it stank bad like it was.
Speaker 1: It was wretched. It was. It was incredibly wretched. But
Speaker 1: what's what I thought was so strange about it was
Speaker 1: before that stench showed up, or you know, there was
Speaker 1: no stench, and so it was very strong. It was
Speaker 1: a very very foul, very strong smell, and I just
Speaker 1: kept thinking, Man, that's probably bores or something. But then
Speaker 1: I thought in retrospect, I was like, no, we would
Speaker 1: have heard boors would wrestle around, you know, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I've heard bores before I out in the wilderness and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're loud, you know, there was it wasn't loud
Speaker 1: out there, like it was very quiet. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: fitch came out upon us, you know, pretty heavy. And Uh.
Speaker 1: Another thing I thought was really strange was we were
Speaker 1: standing by this guy named Dan. Dan had this truck.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a Toyota Tacoma truck. It
Speaker 1: was either gray or it was white. And I'm just
Speaker 1: picturing it in my head and I remember it's all
Speaker 1: standing right there and we're all talking. We're talking kind
Speaker 1: of low, you know, and uh and uh, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, rocks got thrown at his truck. But the
Speaker 1: thing that's crazy is everybody that was at the at
Speaker 1: the main camp that went with us out there was
Speaker 1: there with us, and we could see all of them
Speaker 1: and we were all standing side by side because the
Speaker 1: road that we were on there was like this road
Speaker 1: and in the woods, and the woods was kind of
Speaker 1: close to that road. It was like kind of just
Speaker 1: like a I don't even know how I described that road.
Speaker 1: It was. It was just like a dirt road, but
Speaker 1: he just like pulled up on it and like maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe fifteen feet away is when the
Speaker 1: woods started. And so that was really strange. Were and
Speaker 1: all of us were like whoa, whoa, And I think
Speaker 1: Dan had just got that truck or something, and it
Speaker 1: was all like, don't care about my truck, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, cause it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like pebbles. It wasn't like big rocks or nothing,
Speaker 1: but it was like a handful of pebbles. But there
Speaker 1: was nobody out there in the in those woods that
Speaker 1: would have done that. You know, I can't imagine it
Speaker 1: being a person and having that foul of the smell,
Speaker 1: because man, I mean, if it was just a regular
Speaker 1: person like by they need to take a shower, they
Speaker 1: grew up pretty hard, you.
Speaker 2: Know, just out in the wood and throwing pebbles at people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. But you know, even that didn't convince
Speaker 1: me all the way because I thought, well, who knows what,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's somebody playing tricks. Maybe it's the
Speaker 1: locals and they know, you know, but they didn't know
Speaker 1: we were down there and where we were at. It's
Speaker 1: like the spillway is what we called it. There's only
Speaker 1: like one parking lot, you know, so you know who's there,
Speaker 1: and it's so dark out there that you can see
Speaker 1: people coming before they get there, right, So, like we
Speaker 1: were alone and there's no lights out there, I mean
Speaker 1: absolutely no lights. It's completely pitch black dark. And so anybody,
Speaker 1: if there was somebody out there, I mean just to
Speaker 1: you know, talk about that the other side you know
Speaker 1: of skepticism here, If there was anybody, they would have
Speaker 1: to trek through those woods for miles and miles because
Speaker 1: it's very remote out there, like once you get past
Speaker 1: that still that spill way. My understanding was it's pretty
Speaker 1: remote out there. So I don't see anybody doing that
Speaker 1: on a Saturday night. I mean not in the little
Speaker 1: town of Sulfur. I would think the good people of
Speaker 1: Sulfur are either shutting down for the night and the
Speaker 1: rowity ones that are probably out getting drunk, you know,
Speaker 1: or something. You know, But I couldn't imagine. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: waste my time doing that, you know, So it would
Speaker 1: have to be I guess what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is it would have to be. It would have had
Speaker 1: to have been very coordinated for someone to pull off
Speaker 1: a hoax like that, and so I just I really
Speaker 1: didn't know much about it, and I thought, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't see nothing. I did see a figure and
Speaker 1: you know, nothing like that. But the rock throwing in
Speaker 1: the in the stench was would be evidence, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's still skeptical. Don't really know much about it, right,
Speaker 1: easy to check off, you know. That was the first
Speaker 1: experience I had. The next one, my buddy was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I was probably a few months later and
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, you want to go down to
Speaker 1: Texas with me. There's a bigfoot conference, you know, and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I'm like, same thing. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that wasn't bad last time, and this is a big conference,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure there's just you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: big foot festival. Like, well, that'd be cool. You know, hey,
Speaker 1: let's get out of town, you know, I mean, anything
Speaker 1: to get outtown. I was a young guy that backed in,
Speaker 1: so any excuse you could get to leave would be cool,
Speaker 1: you know. So we made our trip down to Jefferson, Texas.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that I met all these people at
Speaker 1: the first outing that I went to that were all
Speaker 1: pretty cool. They were all pretty cool people from different
Speaker 1: parts of you know, the United States. Now you're at
Speaker 1: a big conference where there's you know, hundreds of people,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know. Like that was eye opening myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was like it had this big
Speaker 1: of a following, you know.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of people there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was. I mean restaurants are full, hotels were full,
Speaker 1: you know in this little small town. I mean it
Speaker 1: was a it was a big gathering, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a big place and lots of people. Then there was
Speaker 1: people like authors of books and stuff you know, I
Speaker 1: learned about while I was there that went home and
Speaker 1: looked up on the internet because back then we didn't
Speaker 1: have smartphones, you know, and I didn't have a laptop,
Speaker 1: and I don't even think most places had Wi Fi.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they did, but but yeah, I met
Speaker 1: this guy named M. K. Davis. He had he put
Speaker 1: on a a lecture about the Patterson film. And I'd
Speaker 1: seen that before. I've seen the Patterson film, you know before,
Speaker 1: just on like documentaries or whatever, like just flipping through
Speaker 1: the channels at night. You know, I didn't really stop
Speaker 1: to listen to much of it, but that was to me,
Speaker 1: I was recognizable because that was like the most famous
Speaker 1: you know, video of or a.
Speaker 2: Film of big but you know, yeah something familiar.
Speaker 1: Roger Patterson is like a Roger Patterson, right, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So MK Davis was doing a lecture about the photo
Speaker 1: and he had taken this photo. It was really cool.
Speaker 1: He made it like life size and it was like, wow,
Speaker 1: if that thing, you know, they guessed about how tall
Speaker 1: it was and and everything, and he made it on
Speaker 1: this big I don't want to say cardboard, but it
Speaker 1: was some kind of thing. It was tall, and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, if that's like life size, that's
Speaker 1: a big thing. Man, It's a big animal or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, you know. I mean, so that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, just touching on that, Like, I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: his lecture about that. So as i'm you know, there's
Speaker 1: a conference, I'm learning a little bit more about these
Speaker 1: big foots. There's another guy there that was really cool.
Speaker 1: He did a lecture. He's the famous guy Dick And
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name, forgive me, I'm old.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the guy's name. Coleman, Lauren
Speaker 1: Coleman that's Lauren Coleman. And I didn't know that he
Speaker 1: was like a big deal in the Bigfoot world, you know.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that he was like consultant on
Speaker 1: the movies and written all these books and stuff like.
Speaker 1: We listened to his lecture. That was the convention. That's
Speaker 1: what I remember from the actual convention part of it.
Speaker 1: But you know, the group that we were with, it
Speaker 1: was the same group that we were with in Sulfur
Speaker 1: or Davis, I guess Davis and Sulfur, that's the two
Speaker 1: towns I was by there. But anyway, we were with
Speaker 1: the same group. And then there was a few others
Speaker 1: that came through that was part of that same group,
Speaker 1: but they had just not made it to that outing
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So this guy named Bear, which bears a
Speaker 1: cool dude. I love. Barry was a good dude. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in many, many moons, but you know,
Speaker 1: that dude really knew his thing stuff on Bigfoot. He
Speaker 1: could tell you all kinds of stuff, you know. There
Speaker 1: was this woman named Kelly that was there that had
Speaker 1: met previously, I believe, and she was very enthusiastic about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I mean, a host of people, you know, I just
Speaker 1: remember and her bear had brought this a friend of
Speaker 1: his with him named Sammy. Sammy was a cool dude.
Speaker 1: I think those guys were from Mississippi. I think Alabama.
Speaker 1: I can't Alabama or Mississippi, but they just knew a
Speaker 1: lot about Bigfoot. So I'm listening to all this stuff
Speaker 1: trying to absorb it, but I'm still not like really convinced,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it was a good time. It
Speaker 1: was neat to listen to all these people's stories, you know,
Speaker 1: but like, still I'm not convinced, you know. I'm still like,
Speaker 1: I'm here to support my friend. You know. My friend
Speaker 1: is a he's a writer, you know, so I thought
Speaker 1: this stuff was just really about his interest in all
Speaker 1: this was just about writing a book or something, you know,
Speaker 1: or that's really what I kind of thought it was about.
Speaker 1: But when we got to Jefferson, we got there early,
Speaker 1: and so we were out scouting areas to go to
Speaker 1: go research. That was what the majority of our day
Speaker 1: was centered around, you know. And we went and looked
Speaker 1: at some of these spots during the day, and you know,
Speaker 1: everybody thought they were there was activity there, you know,
Speaker 1: just based on some of the signs that you can
Speaker 1: you can kind of pick out, you know, And I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is really what maybe if there's
Speaker 1: new research, because I don't keep up with the Bigfoot world,
Speaker 1: right so I don't know if there's any new clues
Speaker 1: to what activity would be. But what I remember picking
Speaker 1: up from everybody talking about it was wind formations, signs
Speaker 1: of that, you know. I remember some of them going
Speaker 1: out just around the woods a little bit just to
Speaker 1: see if there was any like hair on trees and
Speaker 1: stuff that heard that. That's a big clue that you know,
Speaker 1: if you see hair on trees, that could be a sign.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not definitive, meaning yes, they were here,
Speaker 1: but it's a good sign that there may be some
Speaker 1: activity here. So that's what we were doing during the day,
Speaker 1: and everybody that was in our group we all stayed
Speaker 1: together the entire time. I mean, we all had the
Speaker 1: same campground, you know, all of our kents were around
Speaker 1: each other, so no one was ever split up. We
Speaker 1: were never split up as a group. You know. I
Speaker 1: picked up on that while I was there. I believe
Speaker 1: that that's the key detail in my story because I
Speaker 1: was watching, I was observing that because I'm like well,
Speaker 1: what if they find one of these bigfoots? You know,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm thinking, what if they find one
Speaker 1: of these and then you know, they're like oh and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, it's bigfoot. See. But yet,
Speaker 1: if we were all broken up as a group, who's
Speaker 1: to say one of them didn't go off to you know,
Speaker 1: plan this with somebody else, so to hoax the whole thing.
Speaker 2: So you're looking for like shenanigans.
Speaker 1: Right right, So I'm watching everybody the whole time, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping eye contact on them and stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, anyway, so we go and do you know,
Speaker 1: the the stuff at the convention. You know, we do
Speaker 1: scouting whatnot, so we know where we're gonna where we're
Speaker 1: going to research. And another thing, it was kind of
Speaker 1: funny about the the actual place was there was I
Speaker 1: want to say there was like federal signs up, but
Speaker 1: I think it was more like you know, ranger type stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, like it wasn't like a national park that
Speaker 1: we were at by any means. It was just like
Speaker 1: I can't even really describe honestly exactly whose property that was,
Speaker 1: but I don't believe it was. It belonged to any
Speaker 1: you know, one individual I believe probably belonged to the state,
Speaker 1: so it may have been state property.
Speaker 2: But there was like government public access signs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there were some signs that we saw,
Speaker 1: but the signs weren't very posted, you know, like they
Speaker 1: weren't like posted very how can I say it, Like
Speaker 1: they weren't They weren't posted where you could just see them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you had to kind
Speaker 1: of go back a little ways to see these signs.
Speaker 1: And you know, there was one gate that I did
Speaker 1: see a sign on. I don't know what the sign said,
Speaker 1: but you know, it was it was some kind of
Speaker 1: government entity that owned the place, you know. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that there was like a facility, you know,
Speaker 1: like a government facility there or anything like that, just
Speaker 1: you know, it may have just been stuff where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got put these signs up, you know, for liability
Speaker 1: purposes or whatever. But it was a pretty cool like
Speaker 1: little place that we were at, you know, and everybody
Speaker 1: thought it was a good place to research bigfoot. So
Speaker 1: but anyway, sorry, that's the parents started thinking about it
Speaker 1: a little bit and it just kind of I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's take it takes me back to that night.
Speaker 1: You know, I can still see it. It's then I
Speaker 1: think we went to that place. I think it was
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. I was in my twenties. I
Speaker 1: was in my mid twenties. So yeah, it's still fresh
Speaker 1: in my head, you know, like my actual encountered what
Speaker 1: I saw on everything. So and I'll say it's still
Speaker 1: in retrospect, it's still kind of terrifying. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 1: you know, like and the it's still kind of terrifying.
Speaker 1: So we do all that stuff, we go back to camp.
Speaker 1: You know, it's getting dark, it's getting late, and so
Speaker 1: everybody's ready they want to go research this area we found.
Speaker 1: We take two car loads and you know, we're like
Speaker 1: in suburban trucks, you know, and I think one of
Speaker 1: them is suburban and the other I think it was
Speaker 1: my buddies. Uh yeah, explore at the time, a Ford explorer.
Speaker 1: So you know, we're all fitting everybody in, right. So
Speaker 1: like there's two different pathways as you could go, Like, well,
Speaker 1: when you get into this place, you're driving for a
Speaker 1: good distance in, you know, and so you're going kind
Speaker 1: of deep into the woods, you know, from the from
Speaker 1: the highway, you know, so it takes a few minutes
Speaker 1: to get deep in there, you know. And then when
Speaker 1: we get down there, there's like, you know, there's one
Speaker 1: road it just goes all the way back and it stops.
Speaker 1: And then there was a if you take a there's
Speaker 1: a road to the right, so you could take a
Speaker 1: right and go around, and then it had the same
Speaker 1: type of road and it just stopped too, so you
Speaker 1: couldn't circle around or anything like that. You had to
Speaker 1: like back up, you know and go. So it was
Speaker 1: like kind of like a I guess, like kind of
Speaker 1: a y shape, you know. But there was like as
Speaker 1: far as like being able to see and stuff the
Speaker 1: other side, so like if you're in one side, there's
Speaker 1: trees all around blocking so you couldn't see the other
Speaker 1: side of this road where, you know, the other group went.
Speaker 1: So like we broke up into two groups, so our
Speaker 1: vehicles went one way and then another. The other part
Speaker 1: of our group went to the other side to research.
Speaker 1: And so we're doing all the like normal stuff. Everybody's
Speaker 1: got like spotlights. I think we had a oh god,
Speaker 1: what's that thing? A bionic ear with the microphone and
Speaker 1: like the little dish and then a recorder, and so
Speaker 1: that's I guess the record sounds and stuff. And so
Speaker 1: we're out there. We're not really seeing nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: and so we're all just kind of walking around, and
Speaker 1: it's just like in my head thinking, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: we even just to be out here. I don't think
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be out there. So nothing's happening, and
Speaker 1: it's like a long time, you know, and we're out
Speaker 1: there for quite a while, probably a few hours, I
Speaker 1: would say. So in that first hour, nothing's really happening,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just sitting there bumbling around, you know,
Speaker 1: because like I still feel a little alienated. I don't
Speaker 1: know all these people very well. You know. I don't
Speaker 1: really know a lot about Bigfoot, nor do I didn't
Speaker 1: really care at that point, honestly. I mean I was listening,
Speaker 1: because I do listen whenever people talk just truth being done.
Speaker 1: I just didn't really care, you know. I was just
Speaker 1: kind of there for the ride, you know, And so
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm like, man, nobody's seeing nothing, Like this
Speaker 1: ship must not be real, you know. And I didn't
Speaker 1: smell any stintch or anything. This time. The rocks are
Speaker 1: getting thrown. Nothing's happening, you know. So I remember this
Speaker 1: guy last outing or that first outing, and I went
Speaker 1: to in a sulfur. He had said, if you want
Speaker 1: to see a bigfoot, he goes, most people when they're
Speaker 1: looking for bigfoot, they're looking up at eye level. He said, No,
Speaker 1: that's not how you do it. He said, you want
Speaker 1: to see one point your point your spotlight low to
Speaker 1: the ground, like where the tree trunk would begin from
Speaker 1: the ground. He goes, That's where you're going to see
Speaker 1: eye shine. That's where you're going to see you know,
Speaker 1: you know, a critter moving around or something you're going
Speaker 1: to see. That's you know, they're going to be on
Speaker 1: the ground. Because to them, they believed that like Bigfoot
Speaker 1: is the stealth entity. I guess, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: not human, it's not an that's what they believe, right.
Speaker 1: So I'm like sitting there or I'm standing there, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is bullshit. And so for the
Speaker 1: life of me, I was just like, remember what that
Speaker 1: dude said. And so I was like, let's just put
Speaker 1: it to this desk. Let's just see. I bet I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna see shit. So I take my little spotlight
Speaker 1: and I start pointing it towards the ground like that.
Speaker 1: Dude said, you know, nothing's happening. I'm not seeing shit.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I point it in
Speaker 1: another direction and then I see something. I see some
Speaker 1: eye shine. But even then, I still wasn't like convinced,
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't convinced at all. I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: that's like a squirrel or a fox or or some
Speaker 1: kind of critter out there. You know. It's not bigfoot,
Speaker 1: you know. And then when I held the eye, when
Speaker 1: I held the the the spotlight on it, that's when
Speaker 1: it just sit there. And then it moved very quickly.
Speaker 1: I being like so fast, and I was like, holy,
Speaker 1: what is that? What moves that quickly? You know. I
Speaker 1: had said something to everybody. I said, hey, I've got
Speaker 1: eyeshine over here, and it just moved, and so I
Speaker 1: move with it, and I look and I see again,
Speaker 1: and it's right there by the tree trunks, you know,
Speaker 1: right there at the beginning on the ground, you know,
Speaker 1: But this time it's on the other side of the
Speaker 1: of the tree, you know, on another tree over so.
Speaker 2: It's moved to a different tree right right, It's moved
Speaker 2: to a different tree.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there looking at so everybody's crowding around me,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm like, look, I got something. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's just sitting there, you know, and it's not moving,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it must be looking at us for
Speaker 1: some reason, you know, just trying to check out who
Speaker 1: we are or what's going on, you know. And then
Speaker 1: the eyes closed. It didn't move left or right, they
Speaker 1: just closed, just like the eyes just went away, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, well, hell, this is a big foot.
Speaker 1: Let's look up. And so I pointed my spotlight up
Speaker 1: and I kind of overshot it at first because I
Speaker 1: saw something. And then I went back to it and
Speaker 1: that's when I saw it, and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is that? And I saw the eyeshine
Speaker 1: At this point, my spotlight is kind of like bleaching
Speaker 1: it out sort of. And then I saw it moved
Speaker 1: and throw its arm around the tree and like kind
Speaker 1: of gripped the tree, and I was like, holy shit.
Speaker 1: And it was like a big, tall, hairy dude is
Speaker 1: what it looked like, not like hairy, like you know,
Speaker 1: like a hairy, burly guy, but like it was covered
Speaker 1: in hair. And the only thing I could see that
Speaker 1: looked like skin was the forehead and then the cheeks
Speaker 1: and that was it. Everything else it was just hair.
Speaker 1: And like the hair he swayed, and when it moved
Speaker 1: that arm, the hair swayed at the bottom like it
Speaker 1: was like it had some kind of like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I remember those jackets back in the eighties, you know, with.
Speaker 2: Like the fringe.
Speaker 1: The fringe, that's what That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: That's what I made me think of. But it was
Speaker 1: like hair because it just kind of whisped, you know,
Speaker 1: And I was like, holy shit, man, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to think. I didn't I got scared. I
Speaker 1: got really scared, and I threw the spotlight up and
Speaker 1: up in the air behind me, and my buddy is
Speaker 1: behind me, and he's a you know, he's a big guy,
Speaker 1: and earned Bear and Sammy were back there behind him.
Speaker 1: So we're all just kind of like together in this
Speaker 1: little punched group, you know. And when I did that,
Speaker 1: I threw that spotlight up and so I'm surrounded by
Speaker 1: all these big dudes and I busted out and it
Speaker 1: was like I went and just made a hole right
Speaker 1: through all of them and ran to the truck. I
Speaker 1: ran to the to the exploor. And when I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there yelling, I'm screaming, I'm like, holy shit, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is I didn't know what was going on? And
Speaker 1: whenever I did, I went to the door, the truck
Speaker 1: was locked. And so I'm sitting there just I'm about
Speaker 1: to like snatch the window with my hand. You know,
Speaker 1: That's how much I wanted inside that truck. So you're
Speaker 1: freaking out, definitely, Yeah, one hundred and ten percent freaking
Speaker 1: the out, And like, you know, because I never seen
Speaker 1: anything like that before, you know, and like it's all
Speaker 1: going through my head, like you know, all at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like, you know, you don't believe in
Speaker 1: this stuff. You know, you've heard it. It's a myth,
Speaker 1: it's a legend. You know. How much weight you want
Speaker 1: to give that stuff is? I guess up to the person.
Speaker 1: But for me, before that, before I saw it, I
Speaker 1: did not believe in it whatsoever. I just thought it
Speaker 1: was people just too much time on our hands, you know,
Speaker 1: And didn't you know, I don't know, I tell you,
Speaker 1: terrified me and So after that, my buddy like unlocked
Speaker 1: the door with Keith, Bob you and it comes over,
Speaker 1: you know, and I get in that motherfucker and I'm
Speaker 1: like close the door, I'm locking the shit. And I'm
Speaker 1: still sitting there thinking like what the fuck are they doing?
Speaker 1: They're all out there, They're still looking to get in
Speaker 1: the cars. Let's go, let's just get out of here,
Speaker 1: you know, like like, because I thought that was like
Speaker 1: we were at death con like one, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Do you think the thing was like going to attack you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought, like, you know, something like that. It
Speaker 1: was big it if I was to guests, and I've
Speaker 1: told people this over the years, it made me think
Speaker 1: of Chebacca from Star Wars. That's the closest I could
Speaker 1: relate to what it looked like to me. You know,
Speaker 1: it was lanky. It wasn't like muscular and like you know,
Speaker 1: whole Colgan and shit, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like that, you know, it was it was very thin,
Speaker 1: you know. And but Harry and uh, the closest I
Speaker 1: could describe it. Yeah, Chebacca from Star Wars. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that was what happens. And n'or like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I felt like a fool honestly after the fact, because
Speaker 1: you know, everybody else is like, you know, wanted to
Speaker 1: like catch some glimpses of it and study it and
Speaker 1: see what it's doing and all that stuff. Me I thought,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, in my head, it's like
Speaker 1: that's a threat. Never seen anything like that before, don't
Speaker 1: know what it's going to do, don't know what it's
Speaker 1: capable of. Let's get the fuck out of here. You know.
Speaker 1: Because I stayed in the car the whole time after that,
Speaker 1: I want I understand there was more activity out there,
Speaker 1: Like all of a sudden, it's like there's eye shine
Speaker 1: and they're popping up all of it. So there was
Speaker 1: like more than one, you know. So if I goes
Speaker 1: to guests, maybe that one was just scouting everything out
Speaker 1: and then maybe made some noise to call the others.
Speaker 1: But they never like obviously came out to the road.
Speaker 1: But if I was the guests, just based on what
Speaker 1: I remember, there was at least ten of them out there,
Speaker 1: I would probably assume if I remember right, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, I wasn't. I stayed in the car
Speaker 1: the whole time after that, But there was at least
Speaker 1: ten I think or close to ten out there, and
Speaker 1: they were surrounded, basically surrounding us. They went through the
Speaker 1: other parts of the woods that were where that road
Speaker 1: was at and pretty much formed formation around us, and
Speaker 1: so we were surrounded by them the whole time. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, this is this is nuts. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: It was like mind blowing, you know, and uh, yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy. It was like it was
Speaker 1: just you know, And so you know, for me, I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't want to see that motherfucker again. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go out there to see that. All
Speaker 1: these researchers and stuff have at it. Man, I could
Speaker 1: just tell you from my own experience, this ship is real,
Speaker 1: like bigfoot is real. At this point, I think big
Speaker 1: footage just like a catch all name for it. I've
Speaker 1: seen it from castings we've seen and stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean, and who knows. Maybe that
Speaker 1: one was just a juvenile. Maybe that's why he was
Speaker 1: so thin. But he was tall. He was tall if
Speaker 1: I was the guests. And then this is another thing.
Speaker 1: It's so weird because yeah, I hear stories I've heard,
Speaker 1: you know, because once in a while I'll look at
Speaker 1: this stuff online, you know, because it's so popular now,
Speaker 1: you know, and people will say, oh, it's ten foot tall.
Speaker 1: You know, it was twelve foot tall. It was this
Speaker 1: wasn't that tall? Like if I was to yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it was tall, don't hear wrong? But like
Speaker 1: I'm a sure dude. So, like I'm only five foot six, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm a sure dude. If I was the guest,
Speaker 1: just based on what I saw, it was over six foot,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say like eight foot. I mean maybe if
Speaker 1: I was wrong just from like judgment on distance, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't like like how I don't know how tall
Speaker 1: shack because it was probably about a tall shack.
Speaker 2: I would think whenever you saw it in your mind,
Speaker 2: you would relate it to just a really tall person
Speaker 2: and not like a giant.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say giant. But I've met tall people before,
Speaker 1: Like I met this guy, like you're about ten years ago.
Speaker 1: He was six foot nine and you know, obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: you see tall people on the internet, the World's Tall Guy,
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. But when you stand in
Speaker 1: front of somebody that's like abnormally tall, it's very noticeable.
Speaker 1: And you feel very small, you know, even guys that
Speaker 1: are like six foot, you know, because to be six
Speaker 1: foot's tall, you know, that's a tall guy. They would
Speaker 1: look small compared to this thing. So yeah, maybe seven
Speaker 1: foot tall maybe, I mean, I'll at least not over
Speaker 1: eight not over eight foot, you know, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I just it was something that was just like I said,
Speaker 1: it's never left my mind. I think about it sometimes
Speaker 1: quite probably more than if I should, you know, but
Speaker 1: I still to this day cannot believe that those things
Speaker 1: are real. It's like you grow up and you don't
Speaker 1: you hear stuff about that, you know, like it's always
Speaker 1: been like a legend, and like, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: a kind of a fun thing. Is the way I
Speaker 1: always looked at it, like, ah, my fit's the biggest
Speaker 1: bigfoot you know, or you know, people nicknamed it, just
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and so, but you never really take
Speaker 1: it seriously. And then whenever I saw that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it, you know, I mean I believe it,
Speaker 1: you know, I believe it. In that After that, it
Speaker 1: pretty much changed my life as far as what you believe,
Speaker 1: you know, like things are not always what they see,
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean. Yeah, people could say this
Speaker 1: and this and that, you know, but till you encounter
Speaker 1: something that you can't explain that this is not supposed
Speaker 1: to be real, then you know it can talk to
Speaker 1: me about it.
Speaker 2: So if you've followed the show over the years, you
Speaker 2: may have heard this story before. You might have heard
Speaker 2: me talk about this story before. I am the crazy
Speaker 2: friend that he was with. This is my best friend Rod,
Speaker 2: like he said, we went to high school together, been
Speaker 2: friends ever since. And yeah, I dragged him along with
Speaker 2: me back in the early research days. You know, not
Speaker 2: only did I just want someone with you know, someone
Speaker 2: that I knew and trusted, because I was still kind
Speaker 2: of new to this and like meeting people and getting
Speaker 2: to know them for the first time. Obviously, I wanted
Speaker 2: somebody to ride to these locations with me and hang
Speaker 2: out with me. You know, it's a long trip. But yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, I was kind of living this double life,
Speaker 2: you know, like he said, he didn't really know what
Speaker 2: was going on. He just kind of heard things here
Speaker 2: and there that I'm like into Bigfoot or whatever, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to kind of overlap those two worlds, you know,
Speaker 2: my my personal real world. And then my Bigfoot world.
Speaker 2: I was not by any means expecting this to happen,
Speaker 2: which is still just freaking crazy.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That yeah, the first incident that you talked about with
Speaker 2: the rock throwing and all that in Sulfur, that was
Speaker 2: actually whenever I had my first sighting. And I don't
Speaker 2: even think we talked about it. I think you were
Speaker 2: aware of it, but I don't think you believed me.
Speaker 1: No, No, I didn't. I didn't believe you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's fine, I was telling the truth. Well I
Speaker 2: realized that now, yeah, now, and then you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then like a couple months later, we go to
Speaker 2: Texas and lo and behold, the craziest Bigfoot event I
Speaker 2: ever experienced took place. You know, if it had been
Speaker 2: properly documented on video like we should have been doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was like a historic Bigfoot event. In
Speaker 2: my eyes, this this was like a major deal because
Speaker 2: you saw it, but then the rest of us saw
Speaker 2: it too. We saw glimpses of it, at least we
Speaker 2: think it was the same one. And then, like you said,
Speaker 2: the rest of that night, we were surrounded by them,
Speaker 2: by multiples of them, and they were making vocalizations. The
Speaker 2: way I put it, they were acting really strange. They
Speaker 2: weren't acting normal to me. I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: don't understand why the one didn't just leave the area
Speaker 2: whenever we got there. I don't know why they never
Speaker 2: left the area, but it's like they stood their ground.
Speaker 2: And I think we might have been fortunate that we
Speaker 2: had a large group of people with us. I think
Speaker 2: if it had just been like the two of us
Speaker 2: down there, I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think Dan Vicky were on the other
Speaker 1: side with Kelly and the who's the other lady, Crystal.
Speaker 1: Crystal was over there with them.
Speaker 2: Whenever I got into the Explorer and went to start it,
Speaker 2: that va whenever I would start it, whenever i'd turned
Speaker 2: the ignition, it would automatically lock the doors, and Bear
Speaker 2: and Sammy were still outside the Explorer trying to get
Speaker 2: in and started slapping the door handles and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I was doing. I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to I'm like, come on, open the damp thing.
Speaker 1: Sammy I think was trying to he had a gun.
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to get his gun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because that was the whole encounter. Was alarmed
Speaker 1: him enough that he was about to pull out. He
Speaker 1: was trying to get a gun, you know.
Speaker 2: Because the thing didn't leave, it didn't retreat. Like that's
Speaker 2: what was so crazy.
Speaker 1: You know what Else what was crazy Now I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about it, they were probably they were a far away
Speaker 1: from us, you know, like distance wise, because I didn't
Speaker 1: smell that stinch, you know, And so just thinking, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking back on soulfur when we you know,
Speaker 1: we smell that stinch. It was so that thing in
Speaker 1: Sulfur must have been very close to us. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: within a few feet, because if you could smell them
Speaker 1: that yeah, because like I said, it was wretched. It
Speaker 1: was wretched when it smelled like but those ones in
Speaker 1: Texas were further away. I don't know how far away
Speaker 1: I would say, but they were I guess not half
Speaker 1: of a football filled the way, but close to it,
Speaker 1: maybe forty forty yards maybe maybe a little closer. But
Speaker 1: like you know, I didn't, I didn't smell anything, you know,
Speaker 1: but it was it was a good distance away, you know.
Speaker 1: But so now thinking about it, it's like, man, those
Speaker 1: ones at Sulfur, or that one, or if there was
Speaker 1: more than one, they must have been very close to us,
Speaker 1: like and that's kind of freaky now I think about it,
Speaker 1: you know, like, like man, and that scared the daylights
Speaker 1: out of me. In Texas, had I seen one that
Speaker 1: close and sulfur, I don't know, I may have passed out.
Speaker 1: I would have probably passed out.
Speaker 2: I don't know the one down in Texas. We're you know,
Speaker 2: we've talked about it over the years. I'm not even
Speaker 2: sure that there was just one there whenever you saw it.
Speaker 2: There might have been more than one there already, but
Speaker 2: you were talking about hitting it with the spotlight, and
Speaker 2: the the beam of the spotlight is so bright it
Speaker 2: kind of like bleached out the colors. So yeah, to me,
Speaker 2: it would have had to have been kind of close.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was like a million power, million candlepower spotlight.
Speaker 1: That we had.
Speaker 2: And then during the whole event, after everybody's kind of
Speaker 2: calmed down, we got back in the car and got
Speaker 2: it started and everything and kind of regained our composure.
Speaker 2: You were still freaking out quite a bit. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was shivery. Yeah, sh I'm pretty certain you were going
Speaker 2: into shock. Yeah, it was bad. And we contacted the
Speaker 2: other group and told them, hey, get down here. We
Speaker 2: didn't just haul ass and then we got back out.
Speaker 1: Of the vehicle.
Speaker 2: You stayed in the vehicle, but after we got back out,
Speaker 2: that's whenever. I All I can say is I saw
Speaker 2: what looked like something running through the woods, and in
Speaker 2: the space between the trees where I could see it,
Speaker 2: I saw what appeared to be the upper hip area,
Speaker 2: the rib cage, and like kind of part of a
Speaker 2: bent arm and the beginnings of a shoulder as it
Speaker 2: just ran through a gap basically, and it looked kind
Speaker 2: of skinny, like you're saying. I could see the ribs,
Speaker 2: and it was the color of the dead pine needles.
Speaker 2: There was dead pine trees, pine needles all over the
Speaker 2: floor out there. Yeah, And then the other guys got
Speaker 2: a glimpse of it. At one point it was running
Speaker 2: through the woods kind of away from us, but going
Speaker 2: towards the road. And I had heard noises on the
Speaker 2: opposite side of the road. And I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: road that we came in on, not the one that
Speaker 2: wis off. And I pointed my spotlight down there because
Speaker 2: I wanted to see it cross the road. I thought
Speaker 2: it was going to cross the road and circle back,
Speaker 2: and I saw its eyeshine and its silhouette way on
Speaker 2: down the road, kind of like peeking out of the
Speaker 2: brush or whatever. And I watched the eyeshine change color
Speaker 2: as it turned away from me. It started out like
Speaker 2: an amber color and went almost like green and till color.
Speaker 2: And then the other group got down there, you know,
Speaker 2: some of the ladies piled in the car and was
Speaker 2: talking to you, trying to get you to calm down
Speaker 2: and everything, and we ended up staying there for a while.
Speaker 2: And I mean there was just all kinds of stuff, whistling,
Speaker 2: lots of whistling, lots of things running through the woods,
Speaker 2: limb brakes. There was a patch of underbrush kind of
Speaker 2: right next to where I was parked, and in this
Speaker 2: underbrush you would see something peeking up, like kind of
Speaker 2: standing up, and you would turn and point your spotlight
Speaker 2: towards it, and it would duck right back down like
Speaker 2: before you could get your spotlight on it. And that
Speaker 2: went on for at least an hour. It was crazy,
Speaker 2: and then eventually everything just seemed to kind of quiet
Speaker 2: down and dissipate, and it seemed like they had left
Speaker 2: the area whatever it was. But like you said, based
Speaker 2: on the sounds, we were all hearing from different directions
Speaker 2: and the things, you know, the little glimpses of people
Speaker 2: would get here and there. I mean, I guess there's
Speaker 2: at least seven to ten of them out there. And
Speaker 2: I know that sounds absolutely crazy to people that are
Speaker 2: listening to this, But you weren't there, man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just one or two individuals running around
Speaker 2: like crazy, but it seemed like a group of them
Speaker 2: had surrounded us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was That was scary, dude, Still scary
Speaker 1: to this day. It is still scares me. Now.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the next day whenever we went back
Speaker 2: during the day.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that was that was crazy too, because I
Speaker 1: remember what it looked like before we saw the Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and then what it looked like after. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was like literally destroyed. They had marked their territory out
Speaker 1: there the next day, like and even like coming in
Speaker 1: like when when you're going towards it, you know, further
Speaker 1: up the road, they had marked their territory. They didn't
Speaker 1: even put like, you know, branches, big branches, and I
Speaker 1: think one of them had pushed a tree over, like
Speaker 1: it's not like a big thick tree, but like you know,
Speaker 1: one of the smaller ones, like because it was laying
Speaker 1: out there, not completely in the road, you know, but
Speaker 1: it was partly in the road.
Speaker 2: On our initial way into the area, we had driven
Speaker 2: by this place and seen the gate he talked about
Speaker 2: and the road going back there and everything, and had
Speaker 2: kind of made a mental note of it, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that might be good back off and there we should
Speaker 2: go look at it. And then, like you were saying,
Speaker 2: you know, we went and scouted areas while it was
Speaker 2: still daylight, so we had gone back in there during
Speaker 2: the day and seeing everything, and then we went back
Speaker 2: there that night and it all looked the same except dark.
Speaker 2: We had all that crazy activity you had, your sighting
Speaker 2: and everything. Yeah, and then we went back to camp.
Speaker 2: And then the next morning, which it was late morning,
Speaker 2: right before noon if I remember correctly, we went back
Speaker 2: to the location. Now, this location was maybe a ten
Speaker 2: minute drive from where we were camped. We were camped
Speaker 2: on the shores of a lake, and it was just
Speaker 2: kind of around on the other side of the lake.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a long distance or anything or in a
Speaker 2: different geographic area. It was right where we were at basically.
Speaker 2: And that next day, that next morning, whenever we went
Speaker 2: in there, Like you're saying, everything was just destroyed to hell.
Speaker 2: It looked like heavy equipment had been in there operating.
Speaker 2: There was just like saplings ripped out of the ground
Speaker 2: and just debrithe all over the road where I had
Speaker 2: been parked, and there was a really tall pine tree
Speaker 2: where it looked like something I don't even know how
Speaker 2: to describe it. It looked like the trunk of the
Speaker 2: tree at the base was torn, not chopped with an axe,
Speaker 2: but just like torn apart, and it looked like something
Speaker 2: had tried to push it across the road where I
Speaker 2: had been parked at. But there's like these big like
Speaker 2: vines and stuff and all the surrounding trees that had
Speaker 2: caught the tree to keep it from falling, otherwise it
Speaker 2: would have fallen. But it looked like something had just
Speaker 2: like destroyed the area, like had thrown a big fit.
Speaker 2: And there was like ex formations and tree brakes and
Speaker 2: just stuff all over the place. And there was no
Speaker 2: like bad weather that night or wind or anything. We
Speaker 2: were we were camping in tents, like I said, ten
Speaker 2: minutes away, So I don't know what else could have done.
Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, that was very alarming when we went
Speaker 1: back in there. That was to me, it just it
Speaker 1: looked destroyed, and it not looked the same the next day,
Speaker 1: you know, that did previously. So I have to wonder.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I wonder if this Bigfoots had like
Speaker 1: their own small little community and therein I wonder if
Speaker 1: people don't go back there that often to look for bigfoot,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or if it's very you know,
Speaker 1: because it was kind of a remote area, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: not so remote that we couldn't get back to civilization quickly,
Speaker 1: but you know, it didn't look like there was anything.
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way, there was nothing back there
Speaker 1: in those woods that would anyone would have any business
Speaker 1: being back there.
Speaker 2: From what I understood, because I like talk to people
Speaker 2: later on from the area, was that that was a
Speaker 2: public access area where they allowed deer hunting during deer season,
Speaker 2: and because it was early on, right before deer season,
Speaker 2: those gates were opened for people to go back there
Speaker 2: and scout the area before hunting season started. But otherwise
Speaker 2: that first initial gate that you talked about that stays
Speaker 2: closed year round, closed and locked and they don't allow
Speaker 2: anybody back there. And then they just opened that gate
Speaker 2: for deer season, and you would like go off the
Speaker 2: highway down this service road. You would go down that
Speaker 2: road and then it would kind of zigzag back off
Speaker 2: in there for a few miles, and then where he
Speaker 2: had parked at there was another gate there, but that
Speaker 2: gate was closed and locked, and two big trees on
Speaker 2: each side of it looked like they had been intentionally
Speaker 2: pushed over and I'm going to say an X, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't like an ex formation. They were just laying
Speaker 2: in that position, but they were pushed all the way
Speaker 2: down like they were blocking that gate, where even if
Speaker 2: you wanted to unlock that gate and drive back there,
Speaker 2: you couldn't, And there wasn't any road access or anything.
Speaker 2: But I actually talked to another bigfoot guy, Luke Gross,
Speaker 2: who lives down in Texas, who said that back in
Speaker 2: I want to say the eighties, it might have been
Speaker 2: the nineties, but years before we ever went back there,
Speaker 2: he was back there deer hunting and had a siding.
Speaker 2: But he had come in from the other side where
Speaker 2: there's like another like access road several miles away that
Speaker 2: you can like park at and then walk in there,
Speaker 2: and he wasn't at the same exact location, but he
Speaker 2: was in those same woods deer hunting whenever he's whenever
Speaker 2: he had his siding. Yeah, and then you know, obviously
Speaker 2: it kind of became a famous spot because we were
Speaker 2: at a bigfoot conference and we talked about it the
Speaker 2: next day, and another group of people went with us
Speaker 2: out there the next night. Nothing happened, but they saw,
Speaker 2: you know, how the area was destroyed and everything. But
Speaker 2: then years after that people have returned to that location
Speaker 2: and had sightings and encounters at that same spot.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's insane. That's insane. So it's not just using.
Speaker 2: In fact, I had one guy on the podcast who's
Speaker 2: a pastor who referred to it as Roddy Road named
Speaker 2: after you. So yeah, it's it's kind of becoming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of become its own leg. I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: like you, you know, you never got into like the
Speaker 2: bigfoot research really, but I mean you went with me
Speaker 2: a few times after that, but we never experienced anything
Speaker 2: like that ever.
Speaker 1: Again. No, No, I don't think we had the closest
Speaker 1: to an encounter I had after that. I was just
Speaker 1: hearing like calls, you know, yeah, that just calls, which
Speaker 1: d you know, we hear those like in its sulfur,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and like those are pretty easy to hear,
Speaker 1: which is great, you know if you want kind of
Speaker 1: like a the fut light experience, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: a good experience to have. I mean, you know, it
Speaker 1: can kind of help prove some stuff to you. Maybe
Speaker 1: not really, but like you know, I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, I didn't believe in those things,
Speaker 1: and it made me question a lot of stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I'll tell you maybe, I mean I don't get
Speaker 1: into like conspiracy theories and things like that, but it
Speaker 1: definitely makes me question. You know. I don't just push
Speaker 1: off things as that's bullshit. That's bullshit too. You know.
Speaker 1: I'll listen to what everybody, anyone's got to say, you know,
Speaker 1: what they believe that is not normal, you know, from
Speaker 1: people nowadays. I think more people have in today's world
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six believe things that they didn't believe
Speaker 1: ten years ago or that they ever thought, you know,
Speaker 1: but they're more open to it. So I'm more open
Speaker 1: to that, but I have been since then. You know.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you it really blows me away how
Speaker 1: many people do not I believe you know your story,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because whenever it first happened, you know,
Speaker 1: like when I was processing it and things like that,
Speaker 1: I was telling people, I told close friends and family
Speaker 1: about it, and they just kind of looked at me like, okay, man,
Speaker 1: sure you did. And some of me made fun of me,
Speaker 1: you know, and I had to take that as well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I was the same way. I was
Speaker 1: the very same way, even though you know, I love
Speaker 1: you man, you know, we've been friends a long time,
Speaker 1: and I trust you, but yeah, I didn't believe you either,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I understand what
Speaker 1: that feels like now, and and so I kind of
Speaker 1: keep quiet about it now. I don't really tell people
Speaker 1: about it, you know anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what a lot of people do, right,
Speaker 2: because how do you expect people listen to you whenever
Speaker 2: the whole world says something doesn't exist, and you're trying
Speaker 2: to tell them that it does, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really makes the case for you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get religious, but Christianity for instance,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it kind of makes for me.
Speaker 1: I believe in God and I believe in Jesus way
Speaker 1: more than I did before. This happened. You know. I
Speaker 1: think before this happened, I just kind of accepted it
Speaker 1: because it was church. You grew up in church, and
Speaker 1: you just believe it, and like okay, you know, and
Speaker 1: you're just kind of going blindly at it. But like now,
Speaker 1: after seeing this, I won't say that, yeah, this made
Speaker 1: me believe in Jesus, but like it strengthened the case
Speaker 1: for it, you know, because it's like, wow, well, if
Speaker 1: this exists, why wouldn't this exist, Why wouldn't other things exist?
Speaker 1: Why how far fetched would it really be? You know,
Speaker 1: And so that you give me a new perspective. That's
Speaker 1: why I say it changed my life, because you know,
Speaker 1: it gave me new perspectives about things that people don't believe,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, we live in crazy times, man, you know.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six, this morning, I was looking at pictures
Speaker 2: of UFOs on a government website.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you people that did believe me. Family,
Speaker 1: I never knew that they believed in it.
Speaker 2: To who believed you?
Speaker 1: My grandma did, yeah, And it took me a while
Speaker 1: to tell her because, like, you know, because back then
Speaker 1: my grandma was like she's old school, you know, and
Speaker 1: like grew up during the Depression and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, the you know the stories where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got a pair of shoes for Christmas, and we
Speaker 1: didn't get another pair for her until next Christmas.
Speaker 2: You know, that the left one for Christmas and the
Speaker 2: right one for my birthday.
Speaker 1: Right, And like, I mean, so that's how old school
Speaker 1: she was, you know, and grew up in the country,
Speaker 1: you know, like her dad was was a rancher, farmer
Speaker 1: or something like that. Was one of those bright boats,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, she believes me, but she didn't
Speaker 1: when I said bigfoot, she didn't know what that meant.
Speaker 1: And then when I started describing what was going on,
Speaker 1: that's when she locked in and was like, oh, that
Speaker 1: thing used to follow my dad around. Daddy used to
Speaker 1: take our leftovers and take him away out there in
Speaker 1: the woods to keep those things from coming up to
Speaker 1: the house. Oh wow. I'm like, shit, are you serious?
Speaker 1: And she would tell tell me stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's you know.
Speaker 2: And this was your grandma and you and I are
Speaker 2: both grandma boys, you know, yeah, pretty much raised by
Speaker 2: our grandma's And I mean, she's not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: No, I would never think Grandma would lie to me
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, she never said she saw one herself,
Speaker 1: but like her dad did, and her dad knew about them,
Speaker 1: and his instinct was to protect his family. The way
Speaker 1: she kind of made it sound was like since he
Speaker 1: fed them, and this is all like pre depression. You know,
Speaker 1: she's a little girl, you know, she was born in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen, so you know, I don't think that he
Speaker 1: was wasted food on the big foots. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: during the depression. But like I think they followed him
Speaker 1: because they knew that was an easy food source. And
Speaker 1: the way they I mean, Grandma came from a big family,
Speaker 1: so they're cooking for an army. Her mom's cooking for
Speaker 1: an army every day, you know, like lots of food.
Speaker 1: And they didn't, you know, really do leftovers because you know,
Speaker 1: her dad would leave them for the bigfoots, you know.
Speaker 1: So now if other animals got into that, probably so too,
Speaker 1: you know. But she said she clearly said it was
Speaker 1: to keep them from coming up to the house, you know,
Speaker 1: and stealing their chickens and all that stuff, which you know,
Speaker 1: from what I've read, that's kind of a common occurrence
Speaker 1: for for those for those things. You know, people report
Speaker 1: that all the time, like you know, well it takes
Speaker 1: my chickens, or check my hog or you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Maybe he noticed that too. It's like, well, damn, I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose any chickens, you know, like get back,
Speaker 1: you know, like let me just fix this up so
Speaker 1: you guys will leave us alone. You know, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say.
Speaker 2: Recently, I went out to my uncle's house and he
Speaker 2: was telling me the story again about my great great
Speaker 2: grandmother who saw one take one of her hogs out
Speaker 2: of the pen in front of their cabin.
Speaker 1: And this was.
Speaker 2: Man maybe even late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure of the exact time. My great grandmother was
Speaker 2: born in nineteen eighteen and this was before she was born,
Speaker 2: so around that timeframe. And you know, my great great
Speaker 2: grandmother was still alive, as crazy as this will sound,
Speaker 2: whenever I was born. She passed away whenever I was
Speaker 2: like around one one and a half. But you know,
Speaker 2: my uncles and all them were around her a lot,
Speaker 2: and she would tell them stories and everything. And one
Speaker 2: of the stories that she told him was about this
Speaker 2: bigfoot stealing her hog, and that my great great grandfather
Speaker 2: was out there shooting at it as it walked away. Now,
Speaker 2: the first time he told me this story, he kind
Speaker 2: of got me off to the side during Thanksgiving and
Speaker 2: told me and you know, kept his voice down, looking
Speaker 2: down the hallway, making sure nobody's coming. But the second
Speaker 2: time around that he told the story, he told her
Speaker 2: right there in front of everybody, and everybody was just
Speaker 2: like standing there like holy crap. So I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I tend to believe that the interactions that people had
Speaker 2: with Bigfoot back in the day, there's we're a lot
Speaker 2: more numerous than we realize. And I think with people
Speaker 2: living out in the woods and in the country and
Speaker 2: everything in rural areas where they're growing and raising their
Speaker 2: own food supply and everything. Uh yeah, I'm sure there
Speaker 2: is a lot of that sort of thing going on
Speaker 2: that we we just don't even realize, and it just
Speaker 2: you know, didn't get talked about, probably for the same
Speaker 2: reasons we don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: Now, right, right, you know, nowadays people are more you know, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to know more about it, and I want
Speaker 1: to go out there and look for it, and I
Speaker 1: want to blah blah blah, you know, what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think those people back then were looking at from
Speaker 1: a survival standpoint, you know, not just physically to survive
Speaker 1: that thing. But yeah, like I said, they didn't talk
Speaker 1: about it because who the hell's going to believe them?
Speaker 2: Well, that's something that actually kind of, I want to say,
Speaker 2: cracks me up, but you know, it's really not a
Speaker 2: humor thing. But you do have the bigfoot research world
Speaker 2: that I was a very active participant in for a
Speaker 2: long time, where you know, there's all these great debates
Speaker 2: and oh they're all being scientific and everything, and everybody's
Speaker 2: going out there and like, oh, well, you know, we
Speaker 2: need to go out here on this night because the
Speaker 2: moon's going to be this, and the weather's going to
Speaker 2: be that, and I'm going to take this equipment with
Speaker 2: me and document everything. That's all fine and dandy, But
Speaker 2: at the heart of it, if you go out there
Speaker 2: and you actually see one that's, for lack of better term,
Speaker 2: a spiritual event, I mean, it's crazy. It's there's no
Speaker 2: documenting that science is right out the window.
Speaker 1: Like it.
Speaker 2: It's a life changing, impactful moment that you're going to
Speaker 2: have if you're fortunate or unfortunate enough to actually have
Speaker 2: that encounter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, I don't know if other people
Speaker 1: are like this, but to me, it was such a
Speaker 1: mind bender that I often questioned myself after that, you know,
Speaker 1: like did I really see that? Did I did? It
Speaker 1: was a figure of my magic? Then I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: hell no, no, I know what I saw, and those
Speaker 1: things aren't supposed to be real, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: there's not you know, and I don't. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't think that. And you know this about me,
Speaker 1: I'm not big on the research of it all. I
Speaker 1: think people should leave it alone. I think they should
Speaker 1: let it be because still I still don't know what
Speaker 1: it's capable of, you know. I mean I want to
Speaker 1: stick around to find out. I didn't want to get
Speaker 1: that close to it. Maybe it won't hurt anybody, but
Speaker 1: I've heard I've read things online about it, you know,
Speaker 1: people's encounters, and they say they sound so crazy, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so bigfit did this with you? Like, no,
Speaker 1: you have to think if that thing is a species
Speaker 1: of animal or mammal or whatever it is, it's got
Speaker 1: the same instincts that we have, you know, survival, eliminate
Speaker 1: the threats, get away from a threat, you know, like,
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe those things were just as afraid of
Speaker 1: us as we are of them, you know, like or
Speaker 1: I was of them, Like, you know, it's possible to
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 2: And then if it's not something animal or mammal, if
Speaker 2: it's something unnatural, and what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like you don't you don't know anything about it at
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: No, I don't see what the value would be and
Speaker 1: researching it and let's get a body and let's cut
Speaker 1: it up and find out. I don't see the value
Speaker 1: in that. What is that going to do? They don't
Speaker 1: look human, they have human some human characteristics. The one
Speaker 1: I saw was bipedal. It stood, it stood up, you know,
Speaker 1: it had it was on two feet, but on the
Speaker 1: ground it was on all fours. It had to have
Speaker 1: been on all fours. So we don't know does it
Speaker 1: walk around, you know, bipedal or does it walk on
Speaker 1: all four feet? We don't know that shit. I don't
Speaker 1: see the value in researching it like to that capacity.
Speaker 2: Obviously we've been over it a thousand times since it happened.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that we never really mentioned
Speaker 2: publicly whenever you first saw it, the eye shine was
Speaker 2: all the way at the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a pair of eyes.
Speaker 2: And then you talked about how it just moved extremely fast,
Speaker 2: that like you didn't even really see it move and
Speaker 2: it just kind of popped up on the ground by
Speaker 2: another tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like it was uh when it moved, it
Speaker 1: was so quick that like the only thing I could
Speaker 1: think that would move that fast would be like something
Speaker 1: on four legs. Yeah, right, And so when it popped
Speaker 1: back up, it was still on the ground and it's
Speaker 1: just sitting there and I'm shining the light on it,
Speaker 1: and it's not moving. But all I could see was
Speaker 1: just that the eyes, you know, I couldn't see anything else.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the eyes just disappeared.
Speaker 1: And that's whenever I just like, well, let's see. And
Speaker 1: that's when it showed up. And then it moved so quickly,
Speaker 1: like gripping that tree, like it made that posturing movement,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, like it's going to come after you.
Speaker 1: Like that's what scared the shit out of me, I guess,
Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't know if that thing was
Speaker 1: going to advance at me, and you know, just seeing
Speaker 1: it before knowing it moved that quickly. Could it be
Speaker 1: up in my face within a few seconds. Who knows,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, And so that I think
Speaker 1: that's probably what probably really scared me the most of it.
Speaker 2: You know, whenever you describe it, whenever you first saw
Speaker 2: it that close to the ground. Uh, you know, people
Speaker 2: talk about spider crawling. It's something that we talked about
Speaker 2: on the old podcast years ago, and now you hear
Speaker 2: it pop up every now and then.
Speaker 1: We're these things.
Speaker 2: I mean, spider crawling is kind of a lame term
Speaker 2: for it, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean we originally described it as like if you're
Speaker 2: trying to picture a bipedal thing. We compared it to
Speaker 2: spider Man. That's where it came from, you know, being
Speaker 2: down on all fours, but having your body flat almost
Speaker 2: touching the ground. Not in a upright raised posture, being
Speaker 2: on all fours, but kind of like a prone position
Speaker 2: with your arms and legs kind of stretched out, holding
Speaker 2: yourself up. And apparently people have witnessed them doing this
Speaker 2: and turning on a dime and moving very quickly in
Speaker 2: that position. So I kind of wonder if that's what
Speaker 2: it was doing. Whenever you first saw it, but then
Speaker 2: you know, not to go down that rabbit hole or anything.
Speaker 2: But whenever you talk about that first time where it's
Speaker 2: like standing up and you're hitting it with the light,
Speaker 2: I mean you did have it in a spotlight beam
Speaker 2: and you're just seeing its eyes. I mean, could it
Speaker 2: have been cloaking or something.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Do you think it was just like camouflage with its environment?
Speaker 1: That's yeah. If I was the guess, that would probably
Speaker 1: be what I would think, you know. But like whenever
Speaker 1: I when it stood up, you know, that's when I
Speaker 1: got more of a glimpse of it, you know, because
Speaker 1: it was out there, like where it was like full body,
Speaker 1: you can see it, you know what I mean, my
Speaker 1: light where I hit it at, you know, that's where
Speaker 1: I could see the whole thing. But when it's sitting down, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all I could see it was just that eye shine.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't really looking. I don't know how I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would have missed the head unless it was underneath
Speaker 1: you know, maybe some leaves or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, I never really thought about that, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. Cloaking Now, I wouldn't believe that. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that. I don't think it could do that
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know. I just don't think you
Speaker 1: could do that. But it did move incredibly fast on
Speaker 1: the ground. That's why I thought it was like a
Speaker 1: fox or something, you know, because maybe those things could
Speaker 1: move that quick. But and then now thinking about it,
Speaker 1: it would had to have moved to the side, its side,
Speaker 1: you know, it wouldn't have turned. Yeah, but then again,
Speaker 1: it was dark, and everything's happening so quickly, and I'm
Speaker 1: just focused on the eyes. That was like the the
Speaker 1: main focal point for me. You know. Yeah, it's just wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy thinking about how fast it moved.
Speaker 2: It's been close to twenty four years ago. Yeah, fallish,
Speaker 2: early fall two thousand and two. I believe it's when
Speaker 2: that conference happens. It's still the Craig wool Heater is
Speaker 2: still hosting the Jefferson Bigfoot Conference yearly. I believe they
Speaker 2: have it in early October.
Speaker 1: Well that's the name I'd heard in a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that cool.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, almost we're you know, rapidly approaching the
Speaker 2: twenty five year mark of that incident. It's pretty crazy
Speaker 2: to think about. If anybody wants to go check it
Speaker 2: out for themselves.
Speaker 1: Feel free.
Speaker 2: Just blow the damn Lake of the Pines, Texas outside
Speaker 2: of Jefferson. There you go, that's where it happened.
Speaker 1: I will sell them tickets to it, and I'll have
Speaker 1: a big sign of this as interact your on risk.
Speaker 1: But I tell you, man, it's all fun and games
Speaker 1: at this point. Now I can laugh about it, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm not going back out, so I don't
Speaker 1: even go camping anymore, you know. And I've got a dog, her,
Speaker 1: and she's getting to the age where, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got to introduce camping to her at some point, you know.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking like really low speed camping, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't want to go anywhere out
Speaker 1: because I just I don't. I don't want to encounter
Speaker 1: that thing again. I don't want to see it again.
Speaker 1: I don't seeing it. It's like been there, done that,
Speaker 1: don't want to see it again. It's not you know.
Speaker 1: And I may hold a different like view than a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, especially bigfooters that actually go
Speaker 1: out and research and stuff like that, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could count on two hands. How many times I
Speaker 1: went out and did be a big foot research, you know,
Speaker 1: and slept a million cigarettes doing it, you know. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have any any any desire to go look
Speaker 1: out except I think you just should leave it alone,
Speaker 1: let it be. And I wonder I've often wondered though,
Speaker 1: like do you think the government knows about this thing?
Speaker 1: Like do you think they've caught one? That's always been
Speaker 1: I guess a question I've always had, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: but when you hear stories online what people think about that,
Speaker 1: it's always this drawn out government shit and they lose
Speaker 1: me on it. But like, what's your personal thoughts do
Speaker 1: you think, like there's the government knows about this thing.
Speaker 2: I think they absolutely know about it, but I don't
Speaker 2: know that they necessarily care about it. I think the
Speaker 2: government is very much self interest based. If there's a
Speaker 2: way for them to weaponize this thing or make money
Speaker 2: off of it somehow, then they would be interested in it.
Speaker 2: Otherwise I just don't think they would devote any resources
Speaker 2: to it. Maybe they captured one at some point and
Speaker 2: studied it, or captured several of them and studied them.
Speaker 2: Maybe they got some locked up in a facility, somewhere
Speaker 2: I don't know. What I do know is multiple government
Speaker 2: people on all kinds of different levels, from military personnel
Speaker 2: to people that just work for the federal government, people
Speaker 2: that work for state agencies, you know, park rangers, soldiers,
Speaker 2: you name it, have all had sightings and reported those
Speaker 2: sidings and they didn't get fired for it or anything.
Speaker 2: They're just told not to talk about it. So on
Speaker 2: that level, yes, the government absolutely knows about them because
Speaker 2: their own has reported sightings and turned in actual written reports.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's crazy. I mean I could believe it.
Speaker 1: I could believe that. I mean I did a short
Speaker 1: stint in the Army at a top secret clearance at
Speaker 1: one point, you know, but like it's nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it just means I can I trust, I can
Speaker 1: be trusted with documents, Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're not getting looking at them and stuff, and
Speaker 1: most Army people just they like party, that's really all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's been like a few things over the years, like
Speaker 2: the Army Corps of Engineers released a thing back in
Speaker 2: the day that had bigfoot in it that was part
Speaker 2: of their wilderness survival training information that hey, these things
Speaker 2: live out there in the woods. If you encounter one,
Speaker 2: you know, just avoid them, don't try to interact with them.
Speaker 2: And then there's a few hunting regulations you know, put
Speaker 2: out by the government that list bigfoot type creatures in
Speaker 2: the hunting regulations basically again not to hunt them, you know,
Speaker 2: don't shoot one if you see one, and a few
Speaker 2: places have done things just to put them on the books, and.
Speaker 1: It's just something like they have to like okay, like
Speaker 1: you know, even though we know zombies don't really freaking exist,
Speaker 1: the government does have a zombie like you know, action
Speaker 1: plan or whatever in case the event happens. So to me,
Speaker 1: it seems very tongue in cheek. But yeah, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: But honest I wonder some of that's because like that too.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I think a lot of it is.
Speaker 2: But like I said, there's a few things out there
Speaker 2: that do seem serious and legit, even though these things
Speaker 2: have not been proven or uh scientifically documented or accepted.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, there was a video I saw on
Speaker 1: YouTube years ago, and I think you were I think
Speaker 1: you're the one showed it to me. So when I
Speaker 1: saw that video, I was like, that's legit, because the
Speaker 1: majority of those videos you see online like, oh you
Speaker 1: saw Bigfoot? You know our bullshit, but that one I
Speaker 1: can't hear who it was from, but uh, that was legit,
Speaker 1: like because everything in it was you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: exactly what I saw, but it was had the same
Speaker 1: characteristics you know of like what an accounter would look like.
Speaker 1: And uh, do you know what I'm talking about, Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think the guys that guy's video, Uh
Speaker 1: you're talking about Robert Dotson. Robert Dotsa Okay, I thought
Speaker 1: was Ray Dotson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one that plays peek a boo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that legit. That's a legit video in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dotson. Dotson was a just a guy, I would say,
Speaker 2: a researcher. I mean, sure you could call him a researcher.
Speaker 2: He was actually from northern Texas and had an area
Speaker 2: that he went to by himself all the time and
Speaker 2: took video and documented it all. And then the area
Speaker 2: got flooded, and after it got unflooded, Uh, the Bigfoot
Speaker 2: didn't come back to the area, and ultimately he relocated
Speaker 2: to southeastern Oklahoma, which we're all familiar with, and got
Speaker 2: some funding from some folks and uh got some interesting
Speaker 2: things in Oklahoma as well. I have personal feelings about it.
Speaker 2: I think possibly someone was taking advantage of him and
Speaker 2: manipulating him to try and make money off of him,
Speaker 2: because he was, you know, growing a YouTube following eventually.
Speaker 2: But I don't say that to discredit any of the
Speaker 2: stuff he got on video.
Speaker 1: I do think he got.
Speaker 2: Several things that I personally believe are one and definitely bigfoot.
Speaker 2: He actually passed away years ago. The people that had
Speaker 2: hooked up with him, I think have some of his
Speaker 2: videos posted online. The majority of them are gone. I've
Speaker 2: tried to share a couple of his videos that I've
Speaker 2: dug up and they were instantly blocked with copyrights, Like
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to post them, so they don't get posted.
Speaker 1: What's up for them? You know? I mean, because you
Speaker 1: know your channel as a as a big fought. I
Speaker 1: was looking at it before we need to ask me
Speaker 1: to do this. I was looking at your channel. He's
Speaker 1: got a pretty big following there, you know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: so there's people out there that's interested in this thing.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not, but I think it's it's worth noting,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever people do have some legit footage you know,
Speaker 1: it's good to know who they are because you know that.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing. You know, just think of things
Speaker 1: I've read about bigfoot researchers and stuff. A lot of
Speaker 1: the people can get manipulated by others, you know, for
Speaker 1: personal gain, and it really sucks because I think that
Speaker 1: that really just throws a you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a turk bowl, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nowadays, whenever content is king and everybody's making money
Speaker 2: off content, I mean, it's really muddy the waters and
Speaker 2: kind of screwed things up for people that you know,
Speaker 2: may not know any better, or even people that think
Speaker 2: they do know better looking in on this thing trying
Speaker 2: to get some answers or trying to see something and
Speaker 2: there's just a whole lot of bullshit out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah that sucks, but yeah, whatever, They've always been part
Speaker 1: of the game from what I understand, because do you
Speaker 1: think when I was in college, I wrote a paper
Speaker 1: in one of my comp classes about a big but
Speaker 1: not my experience, but about like that's where I got
Speaker 1: the name Ray from Ray Wallace. Ray Wallace and the hoaxer,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, it's big business, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, or it can be you know for some people,
Speaker 1: I guess, but you know, I've always hated that part
Speaker 1: of it, you know, just you know, because this is,
Speaker 1: this is a real thing, like I can't stress. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody has to believe me, you know, take my story
Speaker 1: for what you want to take it for whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: I have to believe me. But I don't go out
Speaker 1: looking for it anymore, you know, I don't go out there.
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I like said, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go camping. Half the time. I'm good my bubble
Speaker 1: in the city. I don't want to move to the country.
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing to do with you know. That's
Speaker 1: you know, being out in a remote part of the world,
Speaker 1: you know, because I just to the day. I still
Speaker 1: don't know what they are actually capable of, and you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want somebody coming into my territory fucking with me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So maybe they think like that,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't. I don't know, but I do know
Speaker 1: that they're real, and it's a pretty fascinating thing, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, it's like a spiritual experience.
Speaker 1: You know. Not everybody's gonna get that experience, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool thing. Wants you after the fact.
Speaker 1: You know, I baited whether to tell Maya my kid
Speaker 1: about it or not, you know, when they get older.
Speaker 1: I'm just at this point, I'm sorry. I just you
Speaker 1: got me thinking about this stuff.
Speaker 2: Like, so, I appreciate you coming on here and telling
Speaker 2: the story once again and kind of unpacking it here
Speaker 2: twenty four years later. We'll have to hook up in
Speaker 2: another twenty four But yeah, man, crazy experience. I will
Speaker 2: say this though. I'm glad I got to share it
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was a bonding moment, wasn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like you know, everybody, you know, all of our
Speaker 1: other friends, you know, we grew up with and stuff.
Speaker 1: I hate it that they don't believe us. I can
Speaker 1: corroborate your story. Yeah, if you need me to vouch,
Speaker 1: I've got you, brother, because you know, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't believe you. Now I do. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cool. I'm glad we got to
Speaker 1: share that. You know. You know, it's scared the living
Speaker 1: daylights out of me, but yeah, it's still worth it.
Speaker 2: So well, I've got your attention. I wanted to talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about YouTube. The show's been posted on
Speaker 2: YouTube for years. I actually started out on YouTube before
Speaker 2: I had a podcast. And recently there is a mass
Speaker 2: demonetization thing going on where lots of podcasts are getting
Speaker 2: demonetized for seemingly no reason. They haven't broken any rules,
Speaker 2: they haven't done anything different than they've been doing. But
Speaker 2: YouTube is cracking down on certain things and a lot
Speaker 2: of people are getting caught up with that net being cast.
Speaker 2: And one of those people is my good friend Dixie Cryptid,
Speaker 2: who has an amazed YouTube channel. If you listen to
Speaker 2: this show, there's a good chance you listen to him
Speaker 2: as well. So with him being demonetized, he's moving all
Speaker 2: of his stuff over to a podcast which he already had,
Speaker 2: the what If It's True? Podcast. So if you get
Speaker 2: a chance, show him a little bit of support, show
Speaker 2: him a little bit of love. Go check him out
Speaker 2: on Spreaker or Spotify or Apple or wherever you find
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Crossroads, you can find Dixie Krypton and what if
Speaker 2: It's True. Leave him a comment, let him know I
Speaker 2: sent you, and I wish him the best. I've got
Speaker 2: several friends. Tenfoil tell Us has also gotten caught up.
Speaker 2: Brandon's been on the show several times. Lots of people
Speaker 2: are going through a hard time right now with this.
Speaker 2: Fortunately I am still safe. Who knows how long that
Speaker 2: will last, but for now we're okay. But I appreciate
Speaker 2: everybody for listening. I've and sick lately, haven't been able
Speaker 2: to record, haven't been able to put out a show.
Speaker 1: But I'm back now.
Speaker 2: Thanks again to my good friend Roddy for coming on
Speaker 2: and kind of beling me out and going down memory
Speaker 2: lane for a bit. And as always, if you've had
Speaker 2: your own encounter with Bigfoot or something else, you can
Speaker 2: explain and you'd like to share that story on Bigfoot Crossroads,
Speaker 2: email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
Speaker 2: out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links
Speaker 2: to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need all
Speaker 2: in one place. And until next time, remember there's something
Speaker 2: in the woods.