WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.759 I'll never get over that experience. Ever. I still think 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.480 about it all the time, especially when I'm just sitting 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:11.000 there thinking about deep things, you know, like if I'm 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:14.640 you know, sitting there thinking about like the universe. You know, 5 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:19.160 usually at nighttime, I'm outside looking at the stars because 6 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.079 I'm really into that, like you know, astronomy stuff like that, 7 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.039 really into that. But I start thinking about those things, 8 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:31.120 and then I always land back on that experience, did 9 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:35.159 foot because it was it was not something I actually 10 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:41.520 believed in by any means. Like I honestly thought all 11 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:45.119 the people that I was with at that time were 12 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:50.799 fucking crazy. I really did until I had an encounter, 13 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:58.840 and that was, you know, mind blowing, mind blowing. I 14 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.359 couldn't believe that those things actually existed. 15 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.000 I don't just take us through it and you know, 16 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.159 walk us through everything of what happened. 17 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:43.560 Yeah, I've told people about it, you know, I mean, 18 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:47.439 and I'll tell you it's just terrifying. It's when you 19 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:51.040 first see one. Yeah, I don't know about other people, 20 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:55.640 but like, come from my background where you know, I 21 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:57.719 grew up in the city. I didn't grow up in 22 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.239 the country, and I didn't grow up around fishing and 23 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:05.120 hunting and not. So I'm city guy, you know, and 24 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.759 so you know, I went camping as a kid things 25 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:10.520 like that, you know. I mean I was a little 26 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.599 familiar with the outdoors, but not like you know, somebody 27 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.759 that grew up in the country, you know, and they 28 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:20.319 might hear things or they hear stories about stuff, you know, 29 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.360 and they just kind of, I guess accept those things. 30 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:27.680 That wasn't me. I was, you know, so whenever I 31 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:33.639 had that encounter, it terrified me. It terrified me on 32 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:43.680 so many different levels, you know. But the actual encounter itself, well, 33 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.960 let me back up a little bit. My friend, I've 34 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:55.039 noticed it's high school. It was really into cryptozoology and 35 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.360 Bigfoot and all those different things, those legends you know 36 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:05.400 that we're those ones, the Moffman and the Jersey Devil 37 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:07.599 and things like that. So he was really into that stuff. 38 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.879 I didn't really think it was you know, I don't know, 39 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:14.919 I didn't know he took it that seriously, you know, 40 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.319 where he was actually going up with groups of people 41 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.840 and going around looking for the thing, you know, looking 42 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:27.000 for Bigfoot. And so I remember he asked me to 43 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:33.919 go with him on this one outing, and I honestly 44 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.039 thought it was going to be more like this camping 45 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:40.280 and people just talking about it and about Bigfoot and 46 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:45.120 maybe venture to the woods around the campsite. You know, 47 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:48.360 I really didn't think it was going to be, you know, 48 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.280 that big of a deal. So to me, it was like, oh, cool, 49 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.120 I get to you know, go out of town for 50 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:59.240 the weekend and be out, be out in the woods, 51 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.800 you know, be lake. You know. So that was my 52 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:08.039 understanding kind of until we got there and uh, there 53 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.680 was all these people from all around the country, around 54 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.120 the United States, you know, from different states, things like that, 55 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:19.279 and it was kind of interesting, you know to listen 56 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:24.279 to them talk about these big foots and what I'd 57 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.879 gathered was because before that, like I said, didn't know 58 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:31.399 anything about it. You know, I didn't know there was 59 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:33.800 more than one. I didn't know that they were like 60 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:37.680 a species of of what do you call them? Homine 61 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:39.480 or the ominants? What do you call it? 62 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.160 I mean, that's for debate, it's you know, whatever anybody 63 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:44.600 wants to think they are at this point. 64 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.439 And you know, I mean just by my language there, 65 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.319 you know, I still don't know a whole lot about them. 66 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.800 You know, I didn't really delve into it, you know. 67 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.480 But you were you were coming into this as a 68 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:05.240 complete non believer, total skeptic, yeap, and just bigfoot is 69 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.160 just you know, this myth or this legend or whatever. 70 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.360 You're going on this camp out, and now you've met 71 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.079 up with this group of people who apparently take it 72 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.040 pretty serious and they're just talking matter of factly as 73 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.319 these things are real, they exist. What was that like 74 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.600 for you hearing them talk about it from that aspect? 75 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.040 Did you just think that they were like all liars 76 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:29.800 are and crazy? 77 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.319 Like what were you thinking? Well, I don't I would 78 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.879 not go that far to say I think they were liars, 79 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:41.040 because the things they were saying, there was patterns to 80 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:42.879 what they were saying, you know, when they would talk 81 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.759 about their first encounters and things like that, you know, 82 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.079 which is kind of outside the norm, you know what 83 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:51.199 I mean. Like I'm from the streets, man, I get 84 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.240 spot a liar from a million miles away, you know 85 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.560 what I mean. And these people didn't really seem like that. 86 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:02.720 To me. It was a little alienating because it was like, 87 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.240 I don't have anything in common with these folks. I 88 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:09.600 have nothing in common other than we have a mutual friend, 89 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.079 you know, and Uh. I mean, these are the type 90 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.680 of people that like carry like the shotguns in the 91 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.199 back of the window of their trucks, you know what 92 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.680 I mean, Like they're used to being out in the 93 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:28.240 woods and like being around some stuff, you know. And uh, 94 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:30.319 I just wasn't that type of guy, you know, And 95 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.120 so it was a little alienating. I kept my mouth 96 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:39.399 shut mostly and listened. And so just listening to them, 97 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:46.759 you know, talk, I started thinking, well, these people are 98 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:54.040 I think they're crazy. I hate to say that too, 99 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:57.199 you know, but like, yeah, it's kind of thought they're crazy, 100 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.759 and maybe they just thought they saw something, you know, 101 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.759 and because I think that your mind could play tricks 102 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:09.480 on you, you know. But but then again, just listening 103 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:11.639 to them, like like I said, they just seemed too 104 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:16.560 consistent with their stories, and so maybe there was something 105 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:20.879 to it, you know. Yeah, And so we went to 106 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.639 that outing and there I did have an experience during 107 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:33.639 that outing. It was in Sulfur, Oklahoma. And the experience 108 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.079 we had, you know, I didn't see a big foot, 109 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:40.079 didn't you know. I didn't really think that what really 110 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.279 was a big foot. They kept talking about the smell. 111 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.399 It it's here, it's here, It's not far away from us, 112 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:51.079 you smell that stench. And I did smell a stench. 113 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:55.439 It was really kind of crazy because we weren't really 114 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:59.120 that far away from water, but we were far enough 115 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.279 to where it would be I have a trek to 116 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:06.560 get there, you know. Yeah, And like the stench just 117 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:10.360 came out of nowhere. And then I started thinking, I'm like, man, 118 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:14.240 those are probably bores or something, you know, like they know. 119 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.839 I couldn't imagine a boor smells great. 120 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.639 Did it smell like anything that you had smelled before? 121 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:29.079 No, not really. I mean I wouldn't say garbage, like 122 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.720 from a garbage truck, you know, I wouldn't say that. 123 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.799 It's it's kind of hard to describe honestly, like the stench, 124 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.639 but it's stank. Oh yeah, it stank bad like it was. 125 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:47.039 It was wretched. It was. It was incredibly wretched. But 126 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.679 what's what I thought was so strange about it was 127 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:55.879 before that stench showed up, or you know, there was 128 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.200 no stench, and so it was very strong. It was 129 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:04.360 a very very foul, very strong smell, and I just 130 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.120 kept thinking, Man, that's probably bores or something. But then 131 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:10.919 I thought in retrospect, I was like, no, we would 132 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:15.440 have heard boors would wrestle around, you know, yeah, because 133 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.879 I've heard bores before I out in the wilderness and stuff, 134 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.720 and they're loud, you know, there was it wasn't loud 135 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.919 out there, like it was very quiet. But yeah, the 136 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:31.759 fitch came out upon us, you know, pretty heavy. And Uh. 137 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:36.360 Another thing I thought was really strange was we were 138 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.919 standing by this guy named Dan. Dan had this truck. 139 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:44.000 I think it was like a Toyota Tacoma truck. It 140 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.360 was either gray or it was white. And I'm just 141 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.639 picturing it in my head and I remember it's all 142 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.039 standing right there and we're all talking. We're talking kind 143 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.879 of low, you know, and uh and uh, all of 144 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.919 a sudden, rocks got thrown at his truck. But the 145 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:06.720 thing that's crazy is everybody that was at the at 146 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:11.519 the main camp that went with us out there was 147 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.480 there with us, and we could see all of them 148 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.320 and we were all standing side by side because the 149 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:19.039 road that we were on there was like this road 150 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.879 and in the woods, and the woods was kind of 151 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:23.960 close to that road. It was like kind of just 152 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.080 like a I don't even know how I described that road. 153 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:29.799 It was. It was just like a dirt road, but 154 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:32.480 he just like pulled up on it and like maybe 155 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:38.519 I don't know, maybe fifteen feet away is when the 156 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:44.639 woods started. And so that was really strange. Were and 157 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:48.759 all of us were like whoa, whoa, And I think 158 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.879 Dan had just got that truck or something, and it 159 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:55.759 was all like, don't care about my truck, you know, 160 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.480 I'm like, you know, cause it was like, you know, 161 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.559 it was like pebbles. It wasn't like big rocks or nothing, 162 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.360 but it was like a handful of pebbles. But there 163 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.279 was nobody out there in the in those woods that 164 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.559 would have done that. You know, I can't imagine it 165 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.399 being a person and having that foul of the smell, 166 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.240 because man, I mean, if it was just a regular 167 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:26.559 person like by they need to take a shower, they 168 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:28.240 grew up pretty hard, you. 169 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.240 Know, just out in the wood and throwing pebbles at people. 170 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:36.639 Yeah, pretty much. But you know, even that didn't convince 171 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.840 me all the way because I thought, well, who knows what, 172 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:42.919 you know, maybe it's somebody playing tricks. Maybe it's the 173 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.559 locals and they know, you know, but they didn't know 174 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.519 we were down there and where we were at. It's 175 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.720 like the spillway is what we called it. There's only 176 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.759 like one parking lot, you know, so you know who's there, 177 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.679 and it's so dark out there that you can see 178 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:03.679 people coming before they get there, right, So, like we 179 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.360 were alone and there's no lights out there, I mean 180 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:12.679 absolutely no lights. It's completely pitch black dark. And so anybody, 181 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:16.200 if there was somebody out there, I mean just to 182 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.360 you know, talk about that the other side you know 183 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:25.399 of skepticism here, If there was anybody, they would have 184 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:30.840 to trek through those woods for miles and miles because 185 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.480 it's very remote out there, like once you get past 186 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.360 that still that spill way. My understanding was it's pretty 187 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.799 remote out there. So I don't see anybody doing that 188 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.840 on a Saturday night. I mean not in the little 189 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.879 town of Sulfur. I would think the good people of 190 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:52.200 Sulfur are either shutting down for the night and the 191 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:54.919 rowity ones that are probably out getting drunk, you know, 192 00:12:55.399 --> 00:13:00.000 or something. You know, But I couldn't imagine. I wouldn't 193 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.519 waste my time doing that, you know, So it would 194 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:05.360 have to be I guess what I'm trying to say 195 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.720 is it would have to be. It would have had 196 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.879 to have been very coordinated for someone to pull off 197 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.240 a hoax like that, and so I just I really 198 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.279 didn't know much about it, and I thought, I don't know, 199 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:21.240 I didn't see nothing. I did see a figure and 200 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.759 you know, nothing like that. But the rock throwing in 201 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.720 the in the stench was would be evidence, you know, 202 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:32.440 like that's still skeptical. Don't really know much about it, right, 203 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.279 easy to check off, you know. That was the first 204 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:43.679 experience I had. The next one, my buddy was like, hey, 205 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.440 you know, I was probably a few months later and 206 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.279 he was like, hey, you want to go down to 207 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:54.240 Texas with me. There's a bigfoot conference, you know, and 208 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.399 blah blah blah. I'm like, same thing. I was like, well, 209 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.879 that wasn't bad last time, and this is a big conference, 210 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.480 so I'm sure there's just you know, it's like a 211 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.799 big foot festival. Like, well, that'd be cool. You know, hey, 212 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.279 let's get out of town, you know, I mean, anything 213 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:14.000 to get outtown. I was a young guy that backed in, 214 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:17.960 so any excuse you could get to leave would be cool, 215 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.360 you know. So we made our trip down to Jefferson, Texas. 216 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:27.480 I'll tell you that I met all these people at 217 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:31.679 the first outing that I went to that were all 218 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.600 pretty cool. They were all pretty cool people from different 219 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:38.200 parts of you know, the United States. Now you're at 220 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:42.159 a big conference where there's you know, hundreds of people, 221 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.600 which I didn't know. Like that was eye opening myself. 222 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:49.799 I didn't know there was like it had this big 223 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.600 of a following, you know. 224 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:53.519 So there was a lot of people there. 225 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:59.679 Yeah, there was. I mean restaurants are full, hotels were full, 226 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.240 you know in this little small town. I mean it 227 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:04.279 was a it was a big gathering, you know, it's 228 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:08.799 a big place and lots of people. Then there was 229 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.879 people like authors of books and stuff you know, I 230 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.759 learned about while I was there that went home and 231 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:16.919 looked up on the internet because back then we didn't 232 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.919 have smartphones, you know, and I didn't have a laptop, 233 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.320 and I don't even think most places had Wi Fi. 234 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:28.639 You know, maybe they did, but but yeah, I met 235 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.879 this guy named M. K. Davis. He had he put 236 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:39.360 on a a lecture about the Patterson film. And I'd 237 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.039 seen that before. I've seen the Patterson film, you know before, 238 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.519 just on like documentaries or whatever, like just flipping through 239 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.960 the channels at night. You know, I didn't really stop 240 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.919 to listen to much of it, but that was to me, 241 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.799 I was recognizable because that was like the most famous 242 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.240 you know, video of or a. 243 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.919 Film of big but you know, yeah something familiar. 244 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.919 Roger Patterson is like a Roger Patterson, right, yeah. Yeah. 245 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:12.080 So MK Davis was doing a lecture about the photo 246 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.159 and he had taken this photo. It was really cool. 247 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.879 He made it like life size and it was like, wow, 248 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.799 if that thing, you know, they guessed about how tall 249 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.159 it was and and everything, and he made it on 250 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.240 this big I don't want to say cardboard, but it 251 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.000 was some kind of thing. It was tall, and I 252 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.679 was like, holy shit, if that's like life size, that's 253 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.960 a big thing. Man, It's a big animal or whatever 254 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.480 it is, you know. I mean, so that was pretty cool. 255 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.360 I mean, just touching on that, Like, I really enjoyed 256 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:53.200 his lecture about that. So as i'm you know, there's 257 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.279 a conference, I'm learning a little bit more about these 258 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.879 big foots. There's another guy there that was really cool. 259 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.759 He did a lecture. He's the famous guy Dick And 260 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:07.599 I can't think of his name, forgive me, I'm old. 261 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.680 I'm trying to think of the guy's name. Coleman, Lauren 262 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:18.160 Coleman that's Lauren Coleman. And I didn't know that he 263 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.000 was like a big deal in the Bigfoot world, you know. 264 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.759 And I didn't know that he was like consultant on 265 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.200 the movies and written all these books and stuff like. 266 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:32.240 We listened to his lecture. That was the convention. That's 267 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.640 what I remember from the actual convention part of it. 268 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.759 But you know, the group that we were with, it 269 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:44.079 was the same group that we were with in Sulfur 270 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.000 or Davis, I guess Davis and Sulfur, that's the two 271 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.759 towns I was by there. But anyway, we were with 272 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.880 the same group. And then there was a few others 273 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.880 that came through that was part of that same group, 274 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:58.759 but they had just not made it to that outing 275 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.640 and whatnot. So this guy named Bear, which bears a 276 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.920 cool dude. I love. Barry was a good dude. I 277 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:10.319 haven't seen him in many, many moons, but you know, 278 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:14.240 that dude really knew his thing stuff on Bigfoot. He 279 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:19.319 could tell you all kinds of stuff, you know. There 280 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:21.799 was this woman named Kelly that was there that had 281 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:30.799 met previously, I believe, and she was very enthusiastic about Bigfoot. 282 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.279 I mean, a host of people, you know, I just 283 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:38.680 remember and her bear had brought this a friend of 284 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:43.240 his with him named Sammy. Sammy was a cool dude. 285 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:47.480 I think those guys were from Mississippi. I think Alabama. 286 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:52.759 I can't Alabama or Mississippi, but they just knew a 287 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.839 lot about Bigfoot. So I'm listening to all this stuff 288 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:59.599 trying to absorb it, but I'm still not like really convinced, 289 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.960 you know. I mean, it was a good time. It 290 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:05.640 was neat to listen to all these people's stories, you know, 291 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:09.559 but like, still I'm not convinced, you know. I'm still like, 292 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:14.640 I'm here to support my friend. You know. My friend 293 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:18.039 is a he's a writer, you know, so I thought 294 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.839 this stuff was just really about his interest in all 295 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.200 this was just about writing a book or something, you know, 296 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.400 or that's really what I kind of thought it was about. 297 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:35.359 But when we got to Jefferson, we got there early, 298 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:41.480 and so we were out scouting areas to go to 299 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.920 go research. That was what the majority of our day 300 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:49.759 was centered around, you know. And we went and looked 301 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.440 at some of these spots during the day, and you know, 302 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.160 everybody thought they were there was activity there, you know, 303 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.039 just based on some of the signs that you can 304 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:01.759 you can kind of pick out, you know, And I 305 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.799 don't know if this is really what maybe if there's 306 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.480 new research, because I don't keep up with the Bigfoot world, 307 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.720 right so I don't know if there's any new clues 308 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:17.000 to what activity would be. But what I remember picking 309 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:23.880 up from everybody talking about it was wind formations, signs 310 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.839 of that, you know. I remember some of them going 311 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.359 out just around the woods a little bit just to 312 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.119 see if there was any like hair on trees and 313 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.200 stuff that heard that. That's a big clue that you know, 314 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.720 if you see hair on trees, that could be a sign. 315 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.960 You know, it's not definitive, meaning yes, they were here, 316 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.920 but it's a good sign that there may be some 317 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:50.160 activity here. So that's what we were doing during the day, 318 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.440 and everybody that was in our group we all stayed 319 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.960 together the entire time. I mean, we all had the 320 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:01.440 same campground, you know, all of our kents were around 321 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:05.839 each other, so no one was ever split up. We 322 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:08.839 were never split up as a group. You know. I 323 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.000 picked up on that while I was there. I believe 324 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.079 that that's the key detail in my story because I 325 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:19.480 was watching, I was observing that because I'm like well, 326 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:21.799 what if they find one of these bigfoots? You know, 327 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:23.920 in my mind, I'm thinking, what if they find one 328 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.799 of these and then you know, they're like oh and 329 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.880 they're like, oh my god, it's bigfoot. See. But yet, 330 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:35.079 if we were all broken up as a group, who's 331 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:38.920 to say one of them didn't go off to you know, 332 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:41.960 plan this with somebody else, so to hoax the whole thing. 333 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:46.799 So you're looking for like shenanigans. 334 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:51.599 Right right, So I'm watching everybody the whole time, you know, 335 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.160 I'm keeping eye contact on them and stuff, you know. 336 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.680 So but yeah, anyway, so we go and do you know, 337 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.920 the the stuff at the convention. You know, we do 338 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.799 scouting whatnot, so we know where we're gonna where we're 339 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.839 going to research. And another thing, it was kind of 340 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:18.160 funny about the the actual place was there was I 341 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:23.039 want to say there was like federal signs up, but 342 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.200 I think it was more like you know, ranger type stuff, 343 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.000 you know, like it wasn't like a national park that 344 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.119 we were at by any means. It was just like 345 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.599 I can't even really describe honestly exactly whose property that was, 346 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:42.279 but I don't believe it was. It belonged to any 347 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:46.000 you know, one individual I believe probably belonged to the state, 348 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.640 so it may have been state property. 349 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.920 But there was like government public access signs. 350 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:55.440 Yeah, and then there were some signs that we saw, 351 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:59.920 but the signs weren't very posted, you know, like they 352 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.519 weren't like posted very how can I say it, Like 353 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:08.519 they weren't They weren't posted where you could just see them, 354 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.039 you know what I mean, Like you had to kind 355 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.200 of go back a little ways to see these signs. 356 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.240 And you know, there was one gate that I did 357 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.000 see a sign on. I don't know what the sign said, 358 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.000 but you know, it was it was some kind of 359 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:25.039 government entity that owned the place, you know. And I'm 360 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.119 not saying that there was like a facility, you know, 361 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.440 like a government facility there or anything like that, just 362 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.680 you know, it may have just been stuff where it's like, oh, 363 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.200 we got put these signs up, you know, for liability 364 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:40.480 purposes or whatever. But it was a pretty cool like 365 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:44.720 little place that we were at, you know, and everybody 366 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.440 thought it was a good place to research bigfoot. So 367 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:56.839 but anyway, sorry, that's the parents started thinking about it 368 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.839 a little bit and it just kind of I don't know, 369 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.799 but it's take it takes me back to that night. 370 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:08.279 You know, I can still see it. It's then I 371 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.440 think we went to that place. I think it was 372 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.240 two thousand and two. I was in my twenties. I 373 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:19.319 was in my mid twenties. So yeah, it's still fresh 374 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:22.880 in my head, you know, like my actual encountered what 375 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:27.119 I saw on everything. So and I'll say it's still 376 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:31.839 in retrospect, it's still kind of terrifying. I'm not gonna lie, 377 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.839 you know, like and the it's still kind of terrifying. 378 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:39.720 So we do all that stuff, we go back to camp. 379 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:44.160 You know, it's getting dark, it's getting late, and so 380 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:47.559 everybody's ready they want to go research this area we found. 381 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:53.079 We take two car loads and you know, we're like 382 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:55.519 in suburban trucks, you know, and I think one of 383 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.279 them is suburban and the other I think it was 384 00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:02.000 my buddies. Uh yeah, explore at the time, a Ford explorer. 385 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.079 So you know, we're all fitting everybody in, right. So 386 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:09.640 like there's two different pathways as you could go, Like, well, 387 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.319 when you get into this place, you're driving for a 388 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:16.599 good distance in, you know, and so you're going kind 389 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.000 of deep into the woods, you know, from the from 390 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.960 the highway, you know, so it takes a few minutes 391 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.359 to get deep in there, you know. And then when 392 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:28.839 we get down there, there's like, you know, there's one 393 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.160 road it just goes all the way back and it stops. 394 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.960 And then there was a if you take a there's 395 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:36.240 a road to the right, so you could take a 396 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:39.279 right and go around, and then it had the same 397 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:42.519 type of road and it just stopped too, so you 398 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.000 couldn't circle around or anything like that. You had to 399 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.759 like back up, you know and go. So it was 400 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:50.279 like kind of like a I guess, like kind of 401 00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:55.119