Speaker 1: This week on Game Spot after Dark, we're joined by
Speaker 1: Zombie Kills to talk about Little Nightmares, Two Persona, Five Strikers,
Speaker 1: and Saint Maude. We also go through the news topics,
Speaker 1: including Anthem Next being canceled, as well as that mysterious
Speaker 1: Henry Cavill mass effect post. Hello everyone, and welcome to
Speaker 1: episode eighty two of Game Spot After Dark. This week
Speaker 1: I am your host, well, I'm Lucy James every week,
Speaker 1: but this week I'm your host, joined by Michael Him,
Speaker 1: Callie Plaguey Hello, and special guest Zombie Kills. Hello, welcome,
Speaker 1: So nice to have you.
Speaker 2: It's lovely to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: We have we have a great big list of people
Speaker 1: who we want to get on the podcast, and you
Speaker 1: have been on there and like brought up by so
Speaker 1: many different people, so I'm very glad I got you on,
Speaker 1: girl Kin. So we typically every time we get a
Speaker 1: guest on, we start with a little segment which is
Speaker 1: basically kind of introducing you to our audience and talk
Speaker 1: about your background and what you what you kind of do,
Speaker 1: and where people can find you. It has a lovely
Speaker 1: little jingle which we will now awkwardly sing to you.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just Mario.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I don't listen to this podcast.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's called the Chris from Dayton, Ohio segment. But
Speaker 1: so Callie and I will take it away.
Speaker 3: So, Chris, that was probably the worst ever we've ever
Speaker 3: done it. But luckily I think the community actually recorded
Speaker 3: one and Jake edits it in so you never hear
Speaker 3: us doing it anymore, which you're the guest has to hear.
Speaker 3: So we're very sorry, Chris.
Speaker 1: So Zombie please tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: What it kind of? What do you do in the
Speaker 1: game space, What are your favorite games, what do you
Speaker 1: love playing? And as a fun one at the end,
Speaker 1: if you were stuck on a desert island, what would
Speaker 1: you take with you?
Speaker 5: Hi, my name is Zombie Kills. I make big fat, black,
Speaker 5: chaotic content on Twitch. That's kind of what I do.
Speaker 5: I have a really fun time playing games with people
Speaker 5: and approaching conversations that are difficult to navigate maybe in
Speaker 5: regular situations, but are easier to navigate when you're distracted
Speaker 5: by dying in a video game. So I talk about
Speaker 5: things like prison reform, talk about stuff like black Lives Matter,
Speaker 5: I talk about stuff like you know, hunger in the
Speaker 5: United States and in other places, or trying to get
Speaker 5: clean water for people. I really just kind of focus
Speaker 5: on a lot of different things that revolve around this
Speaker 5: theme that's underlying my channel called radical Kindness, and so
Speaker 5: I believe in curating and creating radical kind spaces in
Speaker 5: the game community. So that's kind of what I do.
Speaker 5: It's definitely a lot of C plus gaming. I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2: Definitely a plus entertainment.
Speaker 5: We have a good time and I have a really
Speaker 5: dope community, and yeah, you should definitely swing by. I'm
Speaker 5: on Twitch obviously, that's like I'm a Twitch partner, So
Speaker 5: you know Zombie Kills z O N B A E
Speaker 5: K I ll Z And right now I'm kind of
Speaker 5: stuck on Little Nightmares too. I'm gonna be playing it
Speaker 5: after this podcast for a charity stream.
Speaker 2: It's like my favorite game right now.
Speaker 5: I just like, I don't know, I didn't think I
Speaker 5: was gonna like it, and I'm deep in that game.
Speaker 2: I just want to finish it.
Speaker 5: And it's probably the first game I finished since I
Speaker 5: had my oldest daughter, who's twelve, so like, wow, I
Speaker 5: mean I'm a mom with I've got three kids, I'm
Speaker 5: homeschooling in a pandemic, and I have wildly unchecked ADHD,
Speaker 5: so I don't finish very many games.
Speaker 2: And I'm a streamer.
Speaker 5: My community is very bebop all over the place, and
Speaker 5: I'm a variety streamer. So yeah, this is the first
Speaker 5: one where it's just like grab me, and I just
Speaker 5: want to keep playing and keep playing till I beat
Speaker 5: it because I just want to see what's happening because
Speaker 5: I never played the first one. So like, I'm in
Speaker 5: a whole different ballpark now I want to go back
Speaker 5: and play it.
Speaker 2: But and if I was on.
Speaker 5: A desert island, i'd want a Swiss army knife. Ye. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Like it's a multi tool, right, Like I feel like
Speaker 5: I need a multi tool, and I'd like a volleyball
Speaker 5: like Tom j Yeah, yeah, I would need a volleyball.
Speaker 5: I need a friend of like of some sort. And
Speaker 5: if it's an inanimate object, might as well be a volleyball.
Speaker 2: I guess, Like I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's probably comfortable to sleep on. It could
Speaker 5: be used as a flotation device and a pinch. I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of different than tool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also a multi tool who knew. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: a little about me.
Speaker 1: What got you onto Twitch?
Speaker 2: To be fair?
Speaker 6: Uh A.
Speaker 5: Khalif Adams, who I know you all know, who makes
Speaker 5: a podcast called Spawn on Me, had me on his
Speaker 5: show and we did a show called Lesson in Blackness
Speaker 5: that was centered with black creators and our response to
Speaker 5: current events and social justice events that were transpiring last
Speaker 5: summer during the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement.
Speaker 5: And I don't know, I felt so much camaraderie on Twitch,
Speaker 5: and I felt like I was seeing people in the
Speaker 5: audience that looked like me and wanted to hear people
Speaker 5: like me tell our stories and occupy the space. And
Speaker 5: I just slid over there. And I've been there for
Speaker 5: nine months now and I feel like I kind of
Speaker 5: like it a lot, and I'm kind of doing okay,
Speaker 5: so I have a good time, and now I can't
Speaker 5: imagine not being on Twitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah hell, but I mean I remember seeing you in
Speaker 1: that in that video, and I think that's the point
Speaker 1: where we were just like kind of wrapping up getting
Speaker 1: guests on, and I was like, yeah, we need to
Speaker 1: we need to see somebody on at some point. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry it's taken us all this time, but it's
Speaker 1: also been incredible to see how you've grown and like
Speaker 1: how your audience has grown. And I think one of
Speaker 1: the big questions for you is, like, the Internet is
Speaker 1: a notoriously shitty place. And I don't want to like
Speaker 1: dwell on this, but you know, like for women people
Speaker 1: to call it, the internet is typically a pretty shity place.
Speaker 1: And I think you do a really great job of
Speaker 1: like putting out there. You know, you talk and you
Speaker 1: ask the big questions, and yet you're still presented with
Speaker 1: so much negativity. And it's like I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: like how do you cope with that? And how do
Speaker 1: you how are you still so strong in you know,
Speaker 1: making sure the conversations are being had, yet you still
Speaker 1: get all this kind of shit thrown your way.
Speaker 5: I just well, one I try to remember, like I
Speaker 5: try to stay rooted and who I am as a person,
Speaker 5: and I try not to let people on the internet
Speaker 5: tell me who I am. That's a very hard thing
Speaker 5: to do sometimes, especially when you receive like mass harassment
Speaker 5: or like hate campaigns. It definitely could be difficult. So
Speaker 5: also therapy is lit like hell, yes, I love therapy,
Speaker 5: so much. It's so lit and people don't talk about
Speaker 5: it enough. Yeah, they're the unsung heroes of everyone. But like,
Speaker 5: therapy and medication are amazing as long as you prescribed
Speaker 5: it and you take it as as prescribed.
Speaker 2: But like, I definitely, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just I try to stay very much rooted in
Speaker 5: like self and rooted in being mindful and present in
Speaker 5: the moment. Harassment for me, has been a part of
Speaker 5: my entire existence. I am black, I'm a woman, and
Speaker 5: I'm plus eyes. Bro, people are gonna.
Speaker 2: Just say dumb stuff, just to say dumb stuff.
Speaker 5: If I let them tell me who I am every
Speaker 5: day of the week since I was born, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: have made it the thirty seven years of my life.
Speaker 5: So I really do try to stay in that. And
Speaker 5: I also try to stay really grateful. I'm super grateful
Speaker 5: for things like being able to get to do stuff
Speaker 5: like this, like how cool is this? Or being on
Speaker 5: a billboard in Times Square. I'm in Times Square right
Speaker 5: now on a billboard. Like I just try to be
Speaker 5: so like think about that, and I just sit in
Speaker 5: awe of like the opportunities that I have, and I
Speaker 5: focus on that instead of like, you know, people who
Speaker 5: send people after people and mercilessly harass people on the internet.
Speaker 5: And I also try to give them a little compassion
Speaker 5: when it's needed. Like so some of these people are
Speaker 5: just sad and super lost and like they really have
Speaker 5: zero things going for them, and like if you kind
Speaker 5: of frame it that wait, almost makes it like even
Speaker 5: more non consequential to your existence.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, constant or of what you do. And so
Speaker 1: glad we've got you on.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about what we've been playing. Michael. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come to you first, what you've been up to?
Speaker 4: Uh shit, yo, I am. I feel like every time
Speaker 4: I come on, I am all about my bullshit. You
Speaker 4: know what you're gonna get from me. So let's talk
Speaker 4: about PERSONA five Strikers first. I knew listen, hey, reviews hot.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That review actually hit like
Speaker 4: two three weeks ago because the embargo was like wild,
Speaker 4: like super early early. Yeah, but the game came out
Speaker 4: yesterday as far as this recording goes. But this week, wait.
Speaker 3: Really quick, Michael, I haven't finished the main.
Speaker 4: Person all right now.
Speaker 3: I just I feel like I have to say it
Speaker 3: at this point, because like, if I get spoiled now
Speaker 3: after one hundred hours, I'm gonna lose my ship.
Speaker 4: But go on, sorry, We're Kanda dies and you hate
Speaker 4: to see it. I'm just I'm just playing. I don't
Speaker 4: know that's for you to find out, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Uh, But Persona five Strikers is dope. Like,
Speaker 4: I feel like the preview cycle has been pretty They've
Speaker 4: been pretty loud about it, as as I have been
Speaker 4: to when I've previewed it and reviewed it. So y'all
Speaker 4: probably know what the deal is. It's a an action
Speaker 4: RPG adaptation of Persona five continues the story sort of
Speaker 4: a sequel, more of a spin off. More like I
Speaker 4: think of it as an anime movie, an movie adaptation
Speaker 4: of your favorite anime, so that that's that's my show, like.
Speaker 3: The Monica Magica movie, which like basically retells the series
Speaker 3: but also doesn't.
Speaker 4: Kind of, I feel it's it's more like a like
Speaker 4: a My Hero what the what is it called My
Speaker 4: Hero whatever?
Speaker 1: The the movie one Academia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like a separate story, but it has
Speaker 4: all the ship that you that you know in love
Speaker 4: for from the original. You can I wouldn't talk too
Speaker 4: much about it because always put out like two over
Speaker 4: two thousand words edited by Kelly Play who's enjoining us here.
Speaker 4: Yeah he did it. He did it together, so you
Speaker 4: can peep the review. But man like, I love that
Speaker 4: game a lot. I hope more people play it, or
Speaker 4: a lot of people play it, because it's the you know,
Speaker 4: the game plays fire man like only shit because like
Speaker 4: you think of being of a persona five as an
Speaker 4: action game like yo, that sounds like a winning formula.
Speaker 4: But then to actually play it and see how they've
Speaker 4: incorporated a lot of the deep RPG mechanics, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: they put a lot of thought into it, and it
Speaker 4: does come together really well. Like at first it's like ash,
Speaker 4: there's like too much going on, and but once you
Speaker 4: come to grips with it, it's pretty hard at first,
Speaker 4: but then once you kind of figure out the system,
Speaker 4: how to how to exploit the system a little bit
Speaker 4: more and you get a little bit more powerful, then
Speaker 4: it kind of opens up and man like, the stories
Speaker 4: are right. It is so that that's why I say
Speaker 4: it's more of like a movie adaptation of anime, because
Speaker 4: like the story isn't like gonna hit you in your
Speaker 4: feelings like too hard, and this this game doesn't really either,
Speaker 4: but it hits all the same notes that you that
Speaker 4: you know and love from the original. So you're gonna
Speaker 4: you get You're gonna get those those things you remember
Speaker 4: from back in the day. And you see a little
Speaker 4: bit of growth within the characters. So if that if
Speaker 4: if obviously, like if you were into Persona five, you
Speaker 4: probably into the cast and like to see them again
Speaker 4: be like, Yo, we're like very sure of themselves. I
Speaker 4: think that's so that's the thing I really like about
Speaker 4: Persona five Strikers is that all the characters now it's like, yah,
Speaker 4: we've been through a lot of ship. Now it's our
Speaker 4: turn to enjoy our lives. And that was my attitude
Speaker 4: going into it, because like, I don't want to see
Speaker 4: them like go through heartbreak again and like relive their trauma.
Speaker 4: Like they don't have to do that because they've already,
Speaker 4: they've done that. They've been through enough already, so let
Speaker 4: them enjoy life. And that's kind of what Persona five
Speaker 4: Strikers does. Like Yo, they get to go on vacation
Speaker 4: and then they get to kind of I guess, save
Speaker 4: other people from the similar experiences. H So you know.
Speaker 1: That's Craig Yo.
Speaker 5: Tell him to tell Greg zomb said to chill message him.
Speaker 4: Tell him if I can't hear right now. If I
Speaker 4: can't hear blessed, I don't need to be hearing Greg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you tell him. This is I did that.
Speaker 4: Cool it.
Speaker 1: So I started playing Strikers yesterday because I chatted to
Speaker 1: Michael about it to figure out if I should get
Speaker 1: PS four or the switch version, and his buying advice was,
Speaker 1: if you want the frames, go to PS four, which
Speaker 1: so I got. I got it on playing on PS
Speaker 1: five and I was very tired, so I only did
Speaker 1: like half an hour. But first of all, the reugi
Speaker 1: hate needs to stop.
Speaker 4: Put some respect on my boy's name.
Speaker 1: Poor lad. He's flunking out. He's he just wants his friends.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be shot on.
Speaker 4: Physically or spiritually unless.
Speaker 3: He's into that. No king, no king, shame here on
Speaker 3: Astro Dark.
Speaker 1: But it's my first ever Musso game, and so I
Speaker 1: only played for like out because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: was very tired. But when I was getting into the
Speaker 1: swing of it, I was like, oh no, this is
Speaker 1: gonna consume me. And then hearing the music and just
Speaker 1: hanging out with everyone again.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, the last yeah, the last
Speaker 4: thing I'll say about it is, Yo, that soundtrack is
Speaker 4: flames bro, Like I'm not playing with you, like of course,
Speaker 4: Like it's a Persona game, so you know the soundtrack
Speaker 4: is gonna be fire, but it's different because it's it's
Speaker 4: Code Techmo's composers working with Atlas and Code Techmo has
Speaker 4: a pensiont for like metal and punk style music in
Speaker 4: their games, and to put that spin on a lot
Speaker 4: of the Persona songs we already know. It's like, Yo,
Speaker 4: I'm about to beat the motherfucker's ass right now. Like
Speaker 4: if I hear this song out in public, someone, someone's
Speaker 4: gonna get the ass. Bet Like that.
Speaker 2: Web is showing so hard right now.
Speaker 3: It always is, it's never not showing.
Speaker 5: Like, so I've never been in this close proximity and
Speaker 5: we're on the internet, but someone that's weaving out this
Speaker 5: hard over over Persona and the soundtrack on top of
Speaker 5: it this wow wild.
Speaker 3: I just you know, we don't do video for this
Speaker 3: podcast anymore. So I also want to underscore this by
Speaker 3: saying that Michael's literally literally wearing a sweatshirt with anime
Speaker 3: eyes on it.
Speaker 4: He's talking, that's.
Speaker 2: My sweatshirt, that's my brand one to talk.
Speaker 5: Actually, actually my eyeballs, those are my eyeballs.
Speaker 3: That's anime eyes. But there is Japanese on.
Speaker 5: It, yes, and it says sadness, sadness.
Speaker 3: We're all in the same boat here. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: I do want to say really quick, I haven't started
Speaker 3: it yet, but I fully intend to plan uh wow,
Speaker 3: fully intend to play it. I was going to say,
Speaker 3: plan whatever. I'm going to play Strikers because I love
Speaker 3: Musso games. I love a Dynasty Warriors. I've reviewed a
Speaker 3: lot of Musso games. It was like a freelancer. I
Speaker 3: did a lot of like I like reviewed like the
Speaker 3: one piece Musso games and stuff. I love it. It's
Speaker 3: just like one of the it's so satisfying, Like it's
Speaker 3: such a satisfying genre. But I just want to say,
Speaker 3: because he's not here, Jacob no anime Decker loves Strikers.
Speaker 3: It's all he's doing. I text.
Speaker 4: I text him and I'm like, what are you doing.
Speaker 4: He's like Nothing's like he's got anime sweats.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's going to edit this and hear this.
Speaker 3: But but since we're talking about Strikers right now that
Speaker 3: if he were here, he would probably say that enjoying it.
Speaker 3: And so I'm I'm gonna I'm probably going to wrap
Speaker 3: up the main person of five stuff this weekend and
Speaker 3: then I still have the Royal stuff to do, but
Speaker 3: all start Strikers since you don't you don't need the Royal.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm, I'm, I'm excited for y'all because it is.
Speaker 4: It is a magical experience, like Calli has seen my transformation,
Speaker 4: like with her own eyes, like when I first experienced
Speaker 4: Persona five back in twenty seventeen, Like I've always had
Speaker 4: a little bit of web in me, but it was
Speaker 4: never like unlocked. It was kind of like going Super
Speaker 4: Saiyan when I played Persona five or like Awakening your Persona.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, well, for you, for it, for you,
Speaker 4: for the for the non Persona folks probably know better
Speaker 4: about going super Saiyan, but I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: From like you know, Super Saiyan, God Super Saiyan to
Speaker 3: like super Saiyan whatever, blue level four, I.
Speaker 4: Like, that's super saying you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So many fucking levels.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So uh, that that is that is that is
Speaker 4: where my head's at. This is where my head has been,
Speaker 4: and we actually has been for like the past four years.
Speaker 4: Transitioning off of that, I'm also playing Final Fantasy four,
Speaker 4: which is which is my roots when it comes to
Speaker 4: Japanese games. Final Fantasy four was my first Final Fantasy,
Speaker 4: and I don't remember ship from that because I was
Speaker 4: five years old and I was like turn based battles.
Speaker 4: I could figure out. I'm a tactics person. I can strategize,
Speaker 4: but I know, like I can barely read at the time,
Speaker 4: and so figure out what to do was hard. My
Speaker 4: brothers be like, oh, go here, fight this thing. So
Speaker 4: I don't remember much about the story story. But the
Speaker 4: reason why I'm playing replaying Final Fantasy four is I've
Speaker 4: always wanted to go back and kind of reacquaint myself
Speaker 4: with my first Final Fantasy that I don't remember much about.
Speaker 4: But also Final Fantasy fourteen and Walker, which is the
Speaker 4: expansion that was announced earlier this month, has wild Final
Speaker 4: Fantasy four references, and I want to be able to
Speaker 4: make those connections. So the same way that Shadow Bringers,
Speaker 4: the current Final Fantasy fourteen expansion, drew a lot of
Speaker 4: inspiration from Final Fantasy II and Walker, which is coming
Speaker 4: later this year, is doing the same with Final Fantasy four.
Speaker 4: So I'm actually working on a feature doing like a
Speaker 4: whole bunch, like just from what we've seen in the
Speaker 4: trailer for the new expansion then like what happens at
Speaker 4: Final Fantasy four doing wild connections, y'all about to open
Speaker 4: y'all's third eye, man, go, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, if you've got the pin board with like
Speaker 1: the had string.
Speaker 4: Yes, going wild always sonny on you all lasses with that.
Speaker 4: But it's like, I'm enjoying it. I love classic like
Speaker 4: JRPGs and shit, so I'm having a good time. Agains
Speaker 4: art as fuck. But it's you know, it's an older
Speaker 4: RPG from nineteen ninety one. But yeah, that's uh, that's
Speaker 4: what I've been up to because I'm on my bullshit.
Speaker 4: You can count on.
Speaker 1: That, Kelly, what you've been up to?
Speaker 3: Uh Well, speaking of Charlie Day and always Sunny with
Speaker 3: the board, I was on Odell Harmon's podcast we recorded
Speaker 3: last night, all Full Circle. Yeah I was a full
Speaker 3: shoh that's my guy, and he uh literally made a
Speaker 3: reference to that exact meme. So that's just the theme
Speaker 3: of this week, I guess. But we were talking about
Speaker 3: the Pokemon twenty fifth anniversary, which is coming up, so
Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting ready for that because I have
Speaker 3: no idea what's going on. The twentieth anniversary I covered
Speaker 3: pretty extensively because they announced a bunch of stuff that
Speaker 3: like on February twenty seventh, which is the anniversary in Japan,
Speaker 3: and February twenty seventh is Saturday this year, which since
Speaker 3: they've been acknowledging Pokemon Day in the West, they haven't
Speaker 3: it hasn't been on a weekend, so I have no idea, like,
Speaker 3: are they going to do the news on Friday instead,
Speaker 3: or are they like just gonna make us all work
Speaker 3: on Saturday after the post Malone concert or whatever? Because
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I like, is there actually a post Malone concert in Pokemon?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I find this extremely exciting. I don't care what
Speaker 5: anybody says. I love post Malone.
Speaker 2: Oh see.
Speaker 4: The thing is that I can sing.
Speaker 3: We love sune these parts around these parts, and I
Speaker 3: have nothing against post Malone. It's just so bizarre to me.
Speaker 2: That's a very odd choice.
Speaker 5: But like also Pokemon's odd as hell, Like I mean,
Speaker 5: they've got like Pokemon that are like based off of
Speaker 5: like kids dying and being carted off like into you know,
Speaker 5: my balloons and stuff.
Speaker 2: So like Pokemon's weird. So like that's very weird Pokemon.
Speaker 2: Pokemon's not all Squirtles and Pikachu's people.
Speaker 3: The only reason I thought it was weird was because
Speaker 3: I consider Pokemon to be like to keep it very
Speaker 3: family friendly. But they've been doing like Detective Pikachu and
Speaker 3: like their their Twitter accounts very like with it when
Speaker 3: it comes to memes and stuff, and so I was
Speaker 3: kind of like I could see them.
Speaker 2: There's radio version, there's radio friendly versions of songs. I mean,
Speaker 2: look at him, he's been.
Speaker 5: He's had hit songs and like everything including you know,
Speaker 5: Spider Man into the So I mean like he's he's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's hip. Yeah for the kids, it's yea honestly
Speaker 3: is the weirder choice to me, but but yes, so
Speaker 3: there's a choice. There's a post below thing happening on Saturday,
Speaker 3: uh which if you're listening to this the day it
Speaker 3: comes out, that'll be tomorrow. Get ready. I have no
Speaker 3: idea what's going to happen, but I'm waiting for some news.
Speaker 3: I I think it would be weird to do it
Speaker 3: on a weekend. I don't want that because I that
Speaker 3: meets I would have to work. But yeah, so I'm
Speaker 3: waiting for that. And then I've also been my dad
Speaker 3: actually started watching Cobra Kai friend of the show. The show, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I ended up watching it with him, And it's
Speaker 3: super cheesy, very like lots of eighties references, but it's
Speaker 3: really fun, Like it's fun. But the thing I wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about is that it's set in uh, the
Speaker 3: area of southern California that I grew up in, and
Speaker 3: I literally went to karate tournaments in some of the
Speaker 3: places they mentioned in the show, and so it's crazy
Speaker 3: to me because they'll be like, oh, we're going to
Speaker 3: you know, well, I'm not going to say the cities,
Speaker 3: but we're going to X y Z City and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I literally took a karate belt test there, Like I
Speaker 3: drove out to the valley and I did that. So
Speaker 3: that's been pretty wild. It's you know, karate was not
Speaker 3: cool the way that it is in the show, and
Speaker 3: the show, like the entire school takes karate and they're
Speaker 3: all like, yeah, we are so cool. And we're in
Speaker 3: these karate gangs and we like try to kill each
Speaker 3: other at school, I like I went to karate with
Speaker 3: a couple of people from my class, but like, no.
Speaker 2: It was in the eighties. It was very big.
Speaker 5: Everybody was in karate in the eighties because of the
Speaker 5: karate kid et cetera. Like eighties nineties, everybody was in
Speaker 5: karate class except for me because I was broke, but
Speaker 5: like everybody else was in karate class. I just did
Speaker 5: karate at my house with my cousins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's weird because like the show is
Speaker 3: set in like the like around like the present day.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like so I think if it were the
Speaker 3: eighties nineties, like yes, absolutely, Like.
Speaker 2: Now it's like boxing, you got fighters.
Speaker 3: MMA, but like you had those cultural touch points for
Speaker 3: martial arts that like made martial arts really popular. I
Speaker 3: took it just because I hate teams and I had
Speaker 3: taken karate as a kid. And in high school one
Speaker 3: of my friends was too karate and was like, you
Speaker 3: should join the dojo, and I was like, sure, why not?
Speaker 3: And then I did karate like five days a week
Speaker 3: for like two years straight. Wow, really hard, and I
Speaker 3: could like plank for four minutes and let's do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like like my thighs were like square, like
Speaker 3: the thigh must like I was so fit for like
Speaker 3: a couple of years. And that's gone now. Man, that
Speaker 3: is so gone. But it is still fun to watch
Speaker 3: the karate and the show and be like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's how I would do that kick, but
Speaker 3: go for it.
Speaker 4: I have a question. So I'm not familiar with the show.
Speaker 4: I know of it, but are these kids being trained
Speaker 4: like in the school like everyone's learning, but are they
Speaker 4: being trained for like evil purposes? Is like the head
Speaker 4: teacher and be like, yeah, but we're going to use
Speaker 4: these motherfuckers to like take over the world or something.
Speaker 4: This is like Honaji Academy and Killer Killer or some
Speaker 4: shit like they got like their four star ge and
Speaker 4: like they're gonna ask and they can't be touched or
Speaker 4: something like is that the deal?
Speaker 3: No, it's not like Killer Kill. It's more like the
Speaker 3: one of the dojos is inherently evil because it is
Speaker 3: Cobra Kai. But it's not like it's not like we're
Speaker 3: we're I'm training the children to be my soldiers. It's
Speaker 3: more like we just have bad ideals and then they
Speaker 3: fight each other at school.
Speaker 1: So I watched the first couple episodes and Daniel was
Speaker 1: being a prick. I did not care for Daniel in
Speaker 1: those first two episodes, but also didn't care for the
Speaker 1: other blonde guy I never seen Karai kid.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yes, Daniel, for those who don't know, is the karate kid.
Speaker 3: And then Johnny is the blonde one who he Johnny's
Speaker 3: in Karate Kid. But also Johnny is also not a
Speaker 3: good guy. No, he's He's not a good person. The
Speaker 3: one thing about the show that I have, like, I
Speaker 3: have not been involved in any discourse on Cobra Kai.
Speaker 3: I have not been Like, I have no idea how
Speaker 3: the show is received, So I have no idea if
Speaker 3: this has been touched on before. It's a little weird
Speaker 3: that there's no actual Japanese people doing the karate teaching.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, like, is this white on
Speaker 4: white violence, because like, I'm kind of here for it,
Speaker 4: but well.
Speaker 3: The cast is not only white people, but the karate
Speaker 3: like the sense is uh are white and I and
Speaker 3: there's like there's a a reference because Daniel's last name
Speaker 3: is LaRusso and at one point someone calls him Danny
Speaker 3: Danny lar racist.
Speaker 6: So it's not like the show is completely unaware, because
Speaker 6: obviously the movies had mister Miyagi who is actually a
Speaker 6: Japanese master of specifically okinawan karate.
Speaker 3: But uh see, the thing is I took I did
Speaker 3: not take karate from Japanese. I also went to white
Speaker 3: people karate dojo, so like it's it's accurate, like if
Speaker 3: you live in and you're taking karate, it's probably just
Speaker 3: some like chain of like dudes, like just some dudes
Speaker 3: who know karate karate bro. Yeah. Yeah. And then but
Speaker 3: one of the actually one of the coolest things I
Speaker 3: did when uh I did karate was we had this
Speaker 3: was when the the m Night Shyamalan Avatar movie, which
Speaker 3: we do not speak of and will no longer acknowledge
Speaker 3: after this the sentence is over.
Speaker 2: I love that movie. I know it's problematic. I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm problematic.
Speaker 1: I know no, I've never seen it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm.
Speaker 5: Just gonna tell you this right now. If you divorce
Speaker 5: your ideas of anything else, it's good standalone on its own.
Speaker 5: You just have to be able to like separate things.
Speaker 5: I'm great at compartmentalizing trauma. So therefore I apply that to.
Speaker 2: My everyday life whenever I don't like it.
Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair, and I do respect that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the Last Airbender, that that series is too
Speaker 3: close to my heart.
Speaker 5: I should also say I've never seen the Last Airbender
Speaker 5: series ever in my life, so like, I have no
Speaker 5: frame of reference other than like, hey, cute animations that
Speaker 5: I've seen around, and then I saw a really dope
Speaker 5: movie that I thought was well done, and I like
Speaker 5: seeing fantastical things in movies.
Speaker 2: So like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, if you want to laugh and cry and and
Speaker 3: then cry more, I would highly suggest the animated I've tried.
Speaker 2: I've tried to watch it. I just it's problematic.
Speaker 5: I'm problematic. I don't deny this. I don't I don't deny.
Speaker 5: Ask any white man on Twitter. I'm very problematic. But
Speaker 5: I've never seen that. I've never seen.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't get the appeal behind I don't.
Speaker 3: Get the it's a children's show, that is fair. I
Speaker 3: watched when I was a child, I watched Keepo.
Speaker 2: I watched Keepo. Keep O's our show, Keepo's our show.
Speaker 3: Well, if your kids get into it, then maybe that'll
Speaker 3: be your gateway. But we did have bend like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I can't say bending day because I know
Speaker 3: that means something different in the UK because Lucy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds it is in the UK, and now
Speaker 5: I need to know.
Speaker 3: Oh, not bending day, but bend bender as a it's just.
Speaker 2: Like a drinking day.
Speaker 1: You know. The UK was very surprised when Futurama had
Speaker 1: a character called bender. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: Now I'm googling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's it's a derogatory term in the UK.
Speaker 4: Oh ship, is it problematic?
Speaker 3: Oh yo, Wow, It's okay because we just.
Speaker 2: Don't oh lord, okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah. Anyway, we had Bending Day at the dojo, and.
Speaker 2: Problematic I said, I was problematic.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't like that though, not like that.
Speaker 3: I just shouldn't have said anything, but I have to
Speaker 3: acknowledge that I do know that there is not alternative meeting.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we had Bending Day at the dojo and
Speaker 3: we did like the different martial arts that inspired the
Speaker 3: different bending types in after the Lost Airbender. So we
Speaker 3: did like tai Chi for water bending, and I think
Speaker 3: I was taking Kempo karate and that was closest to
Speaker 3: fire bending, so it was really cool and it was
Speaker 3: like this cool thing we did at my dojo. But
Speaker 3: Cobra Kai is very much like I'm here to kill
Speaker 3: my ex boyfriend's new girlfriend. That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I'm in high school. I feel you on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, zombie, what have you been playing doing?
Speaker 5: Watching Little Nightmares too? Obviously, I've been playing the heck
Speaker 5: out of that. And I've been playing a game called
Speaker 5: Cloud Gardens that's from an indie studio that I love,
Speaker 5: and it's one of my favorite games. It's really beautiful.
Speaker 5: It's really peaceful, super chill. It's got like a low
Speaker 5: fi vibe. It's a diorama building kind of game where
Speaker 5: you are looking at like a post apocalyptic kind of future.
Speaker 5: The buildings are all run down, et cetera, and you're
Speaker 5: trying to grow overgrow it with plants in an artistic way.
Speaker 5: But it's just chill as heck.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's one of my like.
Speaker 5: They're the same people that made Kingdom, so let me
Speaker 5: find them on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Because I Yeah, it's been on my wish list for
Speaker 1: a long time because it just looks so chill and
Speaker 1: I think I bought it in the sale. I just
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to play it yet, but it
Speaker 1: just looks so it's nice.
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite games. I just I don't know,
Speaker 5: I really enjoy playing it, and my audience really likes
Speaker 5: it when I play it, so like it's something that
Speaker 5: I've just kind of leaned into and I don't know
Speaker 5: that helps me unplug.
Speaker 2: From the world.
Speaker 5: So I just play the heck out of it and
Speaker 5: I put on sometimes I throw on a different soundtrack.
Speaker 5: But though the game sounds are really good and like crunchy,
Speaker 5: and I don't know, I love like atmospheric sounds and games,
Speaker 5: which is also why like Little Nightmares too so much.
Speaker 2: It's got good atmospheric sounds.
Speaker 5: So those are my two games that I I'm like
Speaker 5: hooked on and that I'm playing in heavy rotation. I'm
Speaker 5: about to go back on my bullshit and play Survival Arc.
Speaker 2: You ball more.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say, yeah, you're a big ARC player.
Speaker 5: I have seven four hundred and seventy hours in that game,
Speaker 5: so yeah, I'm about to go back on my bullshit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I just I just got a thing from the Trotto
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go start my own server again. So you see,
Speaker 5: you guys, never go back sleep schedule and healthy skin.
Speaker 2: I I don't know.
Speaker 5: And then I'm watching I just finished the Winks Show.
Speaker 5: It's amazing, that's amazing. Everybody said it was problematic. I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna lie. There's some problematic whitewashing that happened. Okay,
Speaker 5: let's just address the elephant in the room.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what is it?
Speaker 1: What is it based on?
Speaker 5: Okay, there's a kid's TV show, Like I said, let's
Speaker 5: divorce it. Let's divorce it because I did like the
Speaker 5: kids TV show too. I watched it with my oldest
Speaker 5: daughter when she was smaller. She was like super into
Speaker 5: Winks and and that was like her big jams. So like,
Speaker 5: I just look at this with fresh eyes and pretend
Speaker 5: like it's a whole entirely new thing.
Speaker 2: As Rad's. It's like gossip Girl.
Speaker 5: Meets like I don't know, like Harry Potter, okay, with
Speaker 5: like a little of Riverdale mixed in, and I dig it.
Speaker 5: I thought it was cool. I thought it was like
Speaker 5: really fun. Are there some slightly problematic things? Yes? Are
Speaker 5: are there slightly problematic things in everything? As we have learned. Yes,
Speaker 5: So if you can move past it, if it's nothing
Speaker 5: that's gonna keep you from like having, you know, being
Speaker 5: feeling particularly triggered, I think you should watch it.
Speaker 2: It's fun as heck. I thought it was fun. It
Speaker 2: had cool special effects.
Speaker 5: I really dug the special effects in the show, like
Speaker 5: I thought they were seamless. I really dug the makeup
Speaker 5: and the styling. Thought it was very like, I don't
Speaker 5: know fluff. I like fluff stuff. I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 5: to you. I'll tell you right now. I love Gossip Girl.
Speaker 5: I love Gilmore Girls. Hell.
Speaker 1: I started rewatching Gilmore Go.
Speaker 5: I rewatched Kilmore Girls anytime I go through something in
Speaker 5: my life break up Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 2: It's very like Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 4: But watch Sex and the City.
Speaker 5: I love Sex and the City.
Speaker 2: And I love the movies, and I love the movies
Speaker 2: like I love them. I love them all. I think
Speaker 2: they're also.
Speaker 1: See the thing that they were saying that mister Big
Speaker 1: might not be coming back from the movie. But then
Speaker 1: he was like, but then he was like, oh, don't
Speaker 1: believe everything you read, So maybe he is. I don't know,
Speaker 1: But I mean, Samantha's not gonna be in it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Samantha Leaving is gonna leave it very dry. So
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it's gonna leave it very dry. We
Speaker 5: all come for the raunchiness that Sam brings.
Speaker 2: To the table.
Speaker 3: She adds something special, she adds the spice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm and I'm and I'm also rewatching Kipo
Speaker 5: in the Age of Wonder Beasts the final season again.
Speaker 5: I just had the creator of the show on Netflix
Speaker 5: on my podcast. Rad Sea Christ came on my podcast
Speaker 5: and talked He's really cool.
Speaker 2: He found out.
Speaker 5: I literally just like was like, I'm just gonna tweet
Speaker 5: how much I love and wish he would come on
Speaker 5: my show and see. And he like literally was like
Speaker 5: in my DMS like five minutes later and was like, yo,
Speaker 5: I like podcasts, what's up?
Speaker 2: And I was like, are you kidding?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: Like what?
Speaker 2: This is my podcast? I've only had one episode. Please
Speaker 2: don't do this to me.
Speaker 5: But it was really fun and Keepo's really great. It's
Speaker 5: got really great representation. It's got really great like representation
Speaker 5: for people of color and also for queer youth. It's
Speaker 5: got really good representation for queer youth. It's got dope music.
Speaker 5: From some Wu Tang clan members in it, which I love.
Speaker 5: The hip hop tie ins in the show, like it's incredible.
Speaker 5: It's post apocalyptic, which I love, And it's all about
Speaker 5: friendship and kindness and how that helps you persevere through
Speaker 5: all things in a way that's not simplistic, in a
Speaker 5: way that's like really complicated, and it shows you that
Speaker 5: even though you're doing the right thing, sometimes it's really
Speaker 5: hard to do the right thing.
Speaker 2: And I just dig the show.
Speaker 5: It's radisheck to watch, especially if you're like knocking back
Speaker 5: a couple of rules late at night with your roommate.
Speaker 4: Blessing yea, blessed. Yeah, it's real couch out here, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really good show and I really think
Speaker 5: people should watch it, but especially if you have kids.
Speaker 5: I think the representation of like what the kids are
Speaker 5: able to achieve and how they do it, et cetera,
Speaker 5: et cetera. And then the conversations with the queer youth
Speaker 5: in the show are very realistic and they don't feel
Speaker 5: forced or like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Made to fit.
Speaker 5: And just the level of diversity in that show alone
Speaker 5: is amazing. So I mean, it's very like adventure time,
Speaker 5: but more badass.
Speaker 4: Oh you are speaking my language. Holy shit, I don't
Speaker 4: know why I didn't know about this, like everything like
Speaker 4: checking off slept On. It's so slept on. It's very
Speaker 4: much like when Marcelene did her individual episodes for mistakes,
Speaker 4: for Marslene's episodes. It's very much like that kind of vibe,
Speaker 4: but all the time, and it's rat.
Speaker 2: It's just rad. It's a good show.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of like what's been taking out my
Speaker 5: time outside of streaming is sitting and watching rewatching this
Speaker 5: last season with my kid, because I did watch it
Speaker 5: secretly without her, so like I'm trying to pretend like
Speaker 5: I didn't watch it without her.
Speaker 4: Like this is fire.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it without you just amazing.
Speaker 5: Like so now I have to pretend like I've not
Speaker 5: seen it so she doesn't get mad because.
Speaker 2: She's twelve and she's very moody and dangerous.
Speaker 3: That's twelve is a hard age to be so tough.
Speaker 4: I hate it here and that's what that's when I
Speaker 4: remember I started talking shit to my dad, like you're
Speaker 4: not my dadd.
Speaker 5: She's not that crazy, but she's definitely mouthy and we
Speaker 5: definitely like she slams doors now and I didn't know
Speaker 5: that that was the thing. I had to tell her
Speaker 5: the other day that I would remove the door, and
Speaker 5: I was like, I literally stop myself halfway through saying
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I'm my mom, I'm my mom right now.
Speaker 5: Oh my, I like panicked. I was like, never mind,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to take your door. And I was like,
Speaker 5: but I really want to take her door.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like my mom. It was
Speaker 2: it was a moment, y'all.
Speaker 5: Anyways, that's parenting is trash.
Speaker 2: Ten out of ten.
Speaker 5: Don't recommend until you're well therapeutized and ready to roll.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, twelve year olds are in my
Speaker 2: house now, so that's a thing.
Speaker 1: God speed, damn, good luck.
Speaker 5: Pray for the audience. Just light one poor some of
Speaker 5: your your hennessy out for me on the ground right now,
Speaker 5: because that's my life.
Speaker 4: I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: And as for me, I did play Metal Gear. I
Speaker 1: played it for a few hours on Valentine's Day with
Speaker 1: my love and which is very good because he's played
Speaker 1: it multiple times and was just trying to guide me
Speaker 1: through it. And the PC controls aren't great. Greatly difficult,
Speaker 1: and I kept getting very mad. But I'm up to
Speaker 1: Psychomantis and I'm waiting until we hang again so that
Speaker 1: I can continue playing. But I did watch at the
Speaker 1: weekend Saint Maude, which I have conflicting feelings about. It's
Speaker 1: in a twenty four horror movie about a nurse who's
Speaker 1: very religious and she is in palliative care. She's looking
Speaker 1: after this woman who's dying of cancer, this ex dancer,
Speaker 1: and she basically tries to convert this woman. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of religious themes, a lot of kind of
Speaker 1: psychological stuff going on. I wouldn't klli h. I wouldn't because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of vomiting in it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, all right, yeah nothing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I've watched that at the weekend and I the
Speaker 1: trailer itself is creepy, and the whole movie does do
Speaker 1: like the tone stuff really well, but I think it
Speaker 1: gets a bit lost in itself in a bit, I
Speaker 1: don't know it. It tries to rely on the religious
Speaker 1: angle a bit too much and then it just kind
Speaker 1: of is a I don't know, like it didn't hook
Speaker 1: me at the end. The ending I thought was it
Speaker 1: kind of unraveled a little bit. But I did watch
Speaker 1: it and I was like, you know, part of the
Speaker 1: no Repeat twenty twenty one, watching a bunch of new
Speaker 1: stuff and so mixed feelings on it.
Speaker 4: But it's mid. It's a it's amazing that that's what
Speaker 4: the kids say.
Speaker 3: Really, is that what they think? It's mid?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it's a kids thing, but
Speaker 4: you're saying something's mid is like, like.
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still not over the fact that, you know,
Speaker 1: skinny jeans are out sent apart to back.
Speaker 4: Skinny jeans are out because jeggings have been in since
Speaker 4: the past fifteen years. Asked me, shit, my pants are
Speaker 4: tighter than my skin.
Speaker 5: So they're trying, they're, honestly to God, trying to bring
Speaker 5: back low rise jeans and I'm.
Speaker 1: No, no, we cannot allow that.
Speaker 5: Never have the FUA and I am against this right. Yeah,
Speaker 5: with every part of my I will rail again. Still,
Speaker 5: I will die on the hill.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of booty crack in my time
Speaker 4: that I did not want to see. So let's bring
Speaker 4: that back, or let's roll that back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to bend over an x on.
Speaker 1: You show people my hoss.
Speaker 3: Carcass I did want to say, just back on the
Speaker 3: horror movie train, A lot of horror movies tend to
Speaker 3: fall apart in that third act, so I'm not surprised
Speaker 3: to hear it. But I also think that too many
Speaker 3: horror movies lean too hard into the religious horror angle.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's like we're all trying
Speaker 3: to be the Exorcist thing or where that comes from.
Speaker 3: But I mean, as somebody who did not grow up
Speaker 3: going to church or anything like, it just has no
Speaker 3: effect on me. I'm like, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I've got that. I've got that Catholic guilt. So for me,
Speaker 1: so it's affecting.
Speaker 3: It works for you, But the book we just it
Speaker 3: didn't quite.
Speaker 4: Hit shouts outs to the pope, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And with that, let's move on to the topics. Okay,
Speaker 1: on the news topics for this week. So we are
Speaker 1: recording this before the PlayStation state of play, so insert
Speaker 1: I don't know, fake reactions here.
Speaker 2: Wow, whoa Horizon zero?
Speaker 3: Do so crazy?
Speaker 4: Final Fantasy sixteen. If there's Yo listen, if there is
Speaker 4: Final Fantasy sixteen news or new trailer of if now
Speaker 4: Kiyoshida gets on, gets on that video and starts spitting
Speaker 4: facts like I will cry again for the second time
Speaker 4: or now like for like the twentieth time. What am
Speaker 4: I talking about? Final Fantasy sixteen news? WHOA, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's all I say.
Speaker 2: All I want is Ratchet and Clank news. That's all
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 1: That's oh, I imagine the trailer.
Speaker 5: I'm literally obsessed with Ratchet and Clank. I have a
Speaker 5: Ratchet and Clank tattoo on my left hip.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, I do. I respect that, and I
Speaker 2: love Ratchet and clanks so much.
Speaker 5: I love robots so much, so I've been really anticipating
Speaker 5: like this release like it's a yeah, it's gonna kill
Speaker 5: me if I don't get to like see some Ratchet
Speaker 5: and Clank action because I'm so anxious about whether or
Speaker 5: not we're gonna get it this year or if they're
Speaker 5: gonna lie I said.
Speaker 1: I think they said June or July, right.
Speaker 5: June's my birthday month, and I really want this as
Speaker 5: a present because I will sink so much time into it.
Speaker 5: Like I just love Ratchet and Clink games. They're fine,
Speaker 5: They're pretty to look at already, so like what I
Speaker 5: see for them putting out for the PS five is
Speaker 5: going to be incredible and I just want to see more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hopefully we'll see. We'll see at the state
Speaker 1: of play. But there has been other news to tide
Speaker 1: us over today Wednesday, when moved filming recording Anthem Next
Speaker 1: It's gone uh. Blog post from biowere stated that obviously
Speaker 1: COVID and the move to work from home had an
Speaker 1: impact on development bywear and not shifting their focus on
Speaker 1: to the next Mass Effect, the next Dragon Age, and
Speaker 1: providing more content updates for the Old Republic? Are we surprised?
Speaker 5: No one in this group is surprised. Come on, I
Speaker 5: mean we all knew it was dead in the water
Speaker 5: when it like after the demo dropped, like we've it's
Speaker 5: been right, Like it's been dead since then. It seemed
Speaker 5: really cool for like two weeks.
Speaker 1: I remember playing the alpha and I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this like feeling flying, feels really good. I it was
Speaker 1: buggy at the time, but obviously it's an alpha. And
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, there's some story stuff they're trying here.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because I just don't have any connection
Speaker 1: to this world yet that I don't care. And then
Speaker 1: the final release came out and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I just I just don't care. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have it in me to do like a destiny thing
Speaker 1: with this game.
Speaker 3: I reviewed Anthem, and I do think that the flight
Speaker 3: mechanics and some of the like the way like abilities
Speaker 3: and combat worked were really interesting. But I have to say,
Speaker 3: it's like, out of all the reviews I've done, it's
Speaker 3: one of the ones, like one of the ones I
Speaker 3: joyed the least. Like, I really did not enjoy the
Speaker 3: process of reviewing that game, which is weird because I
Speaker 3: gave it a six. I like, looking back on that,
Speaker 3: I'm like, really because I did not have a good time,
Speaker 3: But I do think that, uh, they did have some
Speaker 3: some good ideas, so it's kind of it's I mean,
Speaker 3: it's always a bummer because obviously, like human beings worked
Speaker 3: on it and it were working on that and it
Speaker 3: got canceled. So I'm never like and they were like
Speaker 3: ha of course, like I'm I don't. I don't relish
Speaker 3: that feeling, even though I think we all are not
Speaker 3: surprised because obviously, like people were dedicating their time to it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, having reviewed their Anthem, yeah yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Have a you have an intimate relationship with Anthem, so
Speaker 4: you probably know best.
Speaker 3: I like that was one of the reviews where I
Speaker 3: was like getting like I had to Honestly, it's kind
Speaker 3: of hard when you're reviewing a game and like you're
Speaker 3: getting to the point where you're getting like your like
Speaker 3: rage quitty, like if you're playing a game and you're
Speaker 3: getting frustrated, Like sometimes sitting down and doing that review,
Speaker 3: I almost have, like in the past, have overcorrected because
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I was just being emotional and I
Speaker 3: should probably like tone it down and be more fair whatever.
Speaker 3: But like my philosophy now has definitely evolved to like, man,
Speaker 3: if I don't like that shit, I didn't like it,
Speaker 3: Like if I'm not, like, I can't change the fact
Speaker 3: that I had a terrible time. So I mean that
Speaker 3: was a couple of years ago now, so I've definitely
Speaker 3: changed on that front. But oh, that was rough. So
Speaker 3: many technical issues too, Like, So that's.
Speaker 4: One thing I'll say about it is that everyone always
Speaker 4: has this thing to connect it to my bullshit. Again,
Speaker 4: everyone always has this thing when like an ambitious game
Speaker 4: kind of low key flops out the gate. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: is like yeah, or especially specifically online games. They're like, yo,
Speaker 4: they're gonna do a REALM reborn. It's gonna be like
Speaker 4: Final Fantasy fourteen again. It's like, heya, hold your horses.
Speaker 4: If you actually know the story behind and Final Fantacy
Speaker 4: fourteen's transition after it had flopped, like it is well
Speaker 4: documented how fucking hard it is to even like even
Speaker 4: try to pull that off. Like the fact that Fan
Speaker 4: Fantasy fourteen pulled it off is a goddamn miracle. It's
Speaker 4: not just like, oh, let's just like tweak parts of
Speaker 4: the game. It's like it is an ambitious effort that
Speaker 4: everyone needs to be one thousand percent on board with
Speaker 4: the vision and needs to support that vision, and very
Speaker 4: few like very few people have that or like when
Speaker 4: these things come up, they don't necessarily have the time,
Speaker 4: the resources, the support that they need to make it happen.
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, these things just don't like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: we're just gonna rework it. Boom it's good now, Like
Speaker 4: that is like I don't know, it's oh.
Speaker 1: Can't you just patch it? They can't just patch it.
Speaker 1: And I think towards the end, like didn't Anthem have
Speaker 1: about thirty people working on it that was it, like,
Speaker 1: then those are the people in charge of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: see overhauling it and making Anthem next. So it's no surprise.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I do wonder if they saw the reaction
Speaker 1: to the next Dragon Age, they saw the reaction to
Speaker 1: Mass Effect Legendary Edition, they saw the reaction to the
Speaker 1: next Mass Effect, and they were like we should just.
Speaker 4: Jump like, yeah, these are things we can't afford to
Speaker 4: fuck up, and if if our resources are better spent there,
Speaker 4: then that's where we need to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it sucks, and like Kelly said, like, you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily like seeing shit fail, Like but so from
Speaker 1: from from a sad story to a god I don't
Speaker 1: even know what to make of this. What is that
Speaker 1: Henry Cavill mass Effect Instagram post Michael, I see clicking
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, so that so if you're unaware you
Speaker 1: don't follow Henry Cavill on Instagram. He posted a picture
Speaker 1: of him in his dressing table, dressed up like garyld
Speaker 1: clearly filming season two of The Witcher, and he's reading
Speaker 1: something and he's blurred it and he says something like oh,
Speaker 1: sneaky hashtag secrets or something you'll never know hashtag hump
Speaker 1: Day as well, which I really appreciate.
Speaker 4: Let me know what's up about relax Relax.
Speaker 1: But given the fact that what he's reading and someone
Speaker 1: went through and sharpened the image, is he's reading the
Speaker 1: Mass Effect three Rannock mission briefing, I think from Mass
Speaker 1: Effect three. So there are some words that people have
Speaker 1: picked up from their like Cerberus, tally'saura and so basically
Speaker 1: the internet is a blaze. Is he going to be
Speaker 1: in the new Mass Effect? Is he going to be
Speaker 1: in a live action trailer for the legendary edition? Is
Speaker 1: he going to narrate the audio books of Mass Effect?
Speaker 1: I'm sure why you'd want to. They're not that good,
Speaker 1: but they're not. They're not. There's one there's one book
Speaker 1: that was so bad that I think they actually had
Speaker 1: to recall it. Wow, I think or there was like
Speaker 1: it was a very big uproar in the community because
Speaker 1: of something to do with Kai Lang and some cereal
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: It yo, all right? Yeah, my mind's just going wild
Speaker 4: with like is it if it's about because like, the
Speaker 4: Koreans are like the most interesting race I think in
Speaker 4: I was gonna say Final Fantasy in Mass Effect. In Masspect,
Speaker 4: like Qureans are like the most interesting, like Talley's like
Speaker 4: that's my girl one thousand percent. And if it has
Speaker 4: to do with the next next mass Effect, like yo,
Speaker 4: if we act because like the whole thing about Rannock
Speaker 4: is like the Koreans can't live in their own planet anymore,
Speaker 4: and like you go there in some capacity in Mass
Speaker 4: Fact three. But I'm just like, oh, snap, let's there's
Speaker 4: mass Effect. Universe is so rich. We've had we had
Speaker 4: three games, and there is so much more to unpack
Speaker 4: in that world that codex is fire Man, God damn,
Speaker 4: there's so much stuff that could pull from.
Speaker 1: Did you see that? The only reason that Fane was
Speaker 1: as sick as he was, I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: stuff because it was it was because someone fucked up
Speaker 1: a codec centry.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable And that's the kind of shit that I love.
Speaker 3: But do we want to see more?
Speaker 1: I mean, if this is a movie, because the Mass
Speaker 1: Effect movie rights have been you know, that has been
Speaker 1: in development hell for forever. I think they even like
Speaker 1: signed the movie back in two thousand and eight or something.
Speaker 1: Would we want to see a movie mass Effect or
Speaker 1: a TV show?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, they're given Halo. I don't know the Expanse exists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think you need a Mass Effect TV show.
Speaker 2: Expanse is amazing.
Speaker 1: It is Oh my god, finally someone who watches The Expense.
Speaker 2: I love it so much. I love it so much.
Speaker 1: I'm at the end of season four and it's phenomenal
Speaker 1: and everyone should watch it, especially like Mass Effect.
Speaker 5: I've never played Mass Effect. I've never even looked at it.
Speaker 5: I've never even looked at it.
Speaker 4: Are you are you interested in it?
Speaker 2: No, they're talking an audience like well, Black Girl Blue
Speaker 2: video Games.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, I.
Speaker 5: Feel like so much of this stuff isn't really marketed
Speaker 5: towards me, and and therefore I kind of miss out
Speaker 5: on it. Does that make sense because some of these things, Yeah,
Speaker 5: some of these things, I feel like they're marketed so wrong,
Speaker 5: and then I go back and touch on them, or
Speaker 5: maybe like a friend recommends it to me, is like, yo,
Speaker 5: really try this, and I play it and I'm like,
Speaker 5: how did I miss this? But then I realized it's
Speaker 5: just not marketed for us chat.
Speaker 3: Howard and I had this exact conversation a couple episodes ago.
Speaker 3: Because there's so many games that like I just have not,
Speaker 3: Like I was talking about Hitman in that example, like
Speaker 3: it's just like I don't realize that it's something that
Speaker 3: would interest me at all, and tell somebody I know
Speaker 3: is like, oh, you'd actually really like this, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I thought that was for like teenage boys,
Speaker 3: like I had no.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hit Man just looks for me from the outside
Speaker 5: of it looked like, uh like a poor man's like
Speaker 5: Max Pain like kind of experience, is it, like?
Speaker 4: And I, yeah, well I and I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 4: like disagree with that that because like I can see
Speaker 4: someone getting that perception out of Hitman of course, Like
Speaker 4: that's what someone's gonna think.
Speaker 5: What I've seen marketing exactly is what I mean to say,
Speaker 5: Like I've face value and and with me with games,
Speaker 5: it's like I either like connect with it or I
Speaker 5: just don't.
Speaker 2: And so like I hear people saying things about mass
Speaker 2: Effect and they're like I.
Speaker 5: Would die for mass Effect, like like they're like so
Speaker 5: into it, and I'm just like it's never appealed to me.
Speaker 5: But it's the same way like Halo didn't really appeal
Speaker 5: to me, but I played it for the PvP aspect.
Speaker 5: Of my homies, Like I like to run Halo lobbies
Speaker 5: with my friends, but like the actual story of Halo,
Speaker 5: just like Snooze Fest. I also just don't like I
Speaker 5: just don't like like war torn stories and like.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this is yeah end of the
Speaker 1: Galaxy Soldier shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't relate.
Speaker 1: I mean that's totally fair. I think, yeah about it
Speaker 1: being marketed, is that, Like it certainly was marketed that way,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, they never they always had
Speaker 1: the male command of shepherd and they never even settled
Speaker 1: on a female one, despite the fact that you can
Speaker 1: play the entire trilogy as a female character. Wait you can, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly communicate that there is a there's a character creator
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Like see, why don't they like this part?
Speaker 5: This is like so imperative for people who are trying
Speaker 5: to identify or see representation in games, and they miss
Speaker 5: out on whole demographics. Like for me, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of things that a lot of people don't realize, like
Speaker 5: culturally are so different. I definitely like feel like a
Speaker 5: lot of games are marketed towards like sis, white males,
Speaker 5: Like they're just marketed towards them, which is cool. Because
Speaker 5: that's their target demographic, that's who they're looking at. But
Speaker 5: I would so much like more targeted marketing, like Animal Crossing.
Speaker 5: When they came out with like the targeted marketing with
Speaker 5: the hairstyles and like they made adjust it that brought
Speaker 5: me right back in because I had like fallen off because.
Speaker 2: My mental health was okay, and then.
Speaker 5: And then and then I came right back though, because
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, they pulled me back in with
Speaker 5: the marketing. And I feel like so much in games,
Speaker 5: we just there's like a lost opportunity of experiencing these
Speaker 5: games for people like me who maybe just don't see
Speaker 5: it and were like, ah, this game won't be for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to find There was an old, like
Speaker 3: years old Polygon article about the history of video game
Speaker 3: marketing and how it ended up becoming so like targeted
Speaker 3: towards like that narrow demographic of like teenage cis white boys,
Speaker 3: and I can't I used to like I would be
Speaker 3: able to rattle off the headline for you. Oh it's
Speaker 3: called it's actually called No Girls Allowed. I just find
Speaker 3: it found it, so if you look up no Girls Allowed,
Speaker 3: it's from twenty thirteen. It's a pretty old article, but
Speaker 3: it still tracks. It really impacting me because it was
Speaker 3: a look back on the history of like how the
Speaker 3: marketing became that way. If you listen to the episode.
Speaker 3: I think there's multiple episodes where we talked about this already.
Speaker 3: We got good feedback on it from from people in
Speaker 3: the community who related. But sorry, we're rehashing it really quickly.
Speaker 3: But but that article looks at that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you're missing out on at least half of the people,
Speaker 3: if not at least, but you're missing out on half
Speaker 3: the people you could be marketing towards if you're if
Speaker 3: you're only focusing on men, so and then you know
Speaker 3: not to mention race and sexuality and all the other
Speaker 3: things that you could that are in these games that
Speaker 3: these games have that like, there's there's so much these
Speaker 3: games have wide appeal. You just don't see that. And
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Mass Effect is definitely a great
Speaker 3: example of that because yeah, like they didn't even have
Speaker 3: femischev on the cover.
Speaker 5: And okay, fine, I'll look at Mass Effects. Me to
Speaker 5: look at it.
Speaker 1: So wait until legendary edition, because if you go back
Speaker 1: and try Mass Effect one, now it's no yea she clunky,
Speaker 1: don't do it. She hasn't aged well, she's like I
Speaker 1: shouldn't refer to her as a she. But it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you're trying to You're kind of constantly
Speaker 1: fighting against the game. At some point, it's just not
Speaker 1: a fun experience. Well, it is fun, but you that
Speaker 1: kind of comes with I think knowing how it It's
Speaker 1: like an old car, like you know, the piece is
Speaker 1: the place on the dashboard that you have to hit
Speaker 1: to get it to work just right. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: Mass Effect one is.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what they're doing in Legendary is they are
Speaker 1: kind of making it just just bringing it up to date,
Speaker 1: and they're like opresingal textures and stuff. But like there
Speaker 1: are some really incredible human moments in it and like relationships,
Speaker 1: and that's why you'll hear people say like I will
Speaker 1: die for Mass Effect, I'll die for Garrison. And it's
Speaker 1: like because of those little stories within the broadest which
Speaker 1: is end of the Galaxy, end of the world stuff.
Speaker 3: Also, like most fans consider fem Shep to be Cannon
Speaker 3: Shepherd because like everybody likes the voice acting more like
Speaker 3: oh hell, I remember like that being a thing like
Speaker 3: they put the male player character on the cover and
Speaker 3: then like everybody was like, oh no, actually you should
Speaker 3: probably plays as tem And I hate calling her that
Speaker 3: because like no one calls him male. Shep uh, But
Speaker 3: that was the thing for like years. But anyway, do
Speaker 3: we need a movie? No, I never think we need
Speaker 3: a video game movie. Stop adapting them.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make what mortal comment. Hello.
Speaker 3: I just think, like so many games, the intrinsic like
Speaker 3: like the interactivity and the mechanics of the game are
Speaker 3: not like you can't separate them from the story. There
Speaker 3: are like there are some games and the example I
Speaker 3: always go to is To the Moon because I saw
Speaker 3: a stage adaptation of To the Moon that gave you
Speaker 3: everything that To the Moon can give you To the Moon,
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, absolutely beautiful. Game doesn't need to be
Speaker 3: game like for that story to be affecting. But there
Speaker 3: are so many games where like you lose out on
Speaker 3: a lot of the value when you strip out the
Speaker 3: player aspect, Like, I just don't think that you can.
Speaker 3: You know, you could never make an Undertail movie because
Speaker 3: the act of playing Undertail is an inherit that is
Speaker 3: part of the narrative design.
Speaker 5: So so that's how I feel about so torn on
Speaker 5: this because I love that arc is getting like an
Speaker 5: anime series with it, Like, oh shit, I'm really pumped
Speaker 5: about that. Like, I don't know, there's so many worlds
Speaker 5: I would like to live in a little bit longer.
Speaker 2: But then there's also some that I feel like, no.
Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't say never, because like I watched the
Speaker 3: Pokemon anime for many years, so like I should should
Speaker 3: not say never. But I think that, yeah, a lot
Speaker 3: of the time you're gonna there's there's gonna be issue
Speaker 3: like lost in translation things with Mass Effect, I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, a big part of that appeal for me
Speaker 3: is like the RPG part of it is the like
Speaker 3: I'm choosing you know who I'm gonna romance, and I'm
Speaker 3: getting to know the characters like on on the level
Speaker 3: that I am in control of and like I can
Speaker 3: seek out And so I don't know how that translates.
Speaker 3: I don't, I mean unless unless.
Speaker 1: You took a story from Mass Effect that you've never
Speaker 1: experienced before as a player, like First Contact War for example, yes,
Speaker 1: or a Specter that's you know, the first ever Specter
Speaker 1: for example, and you like show that that would be
Speaker 1: really cool. I don't understand how this Shepherd story could
Speaker 1: translate because so much of those games is choice and consequence.
Speaker 3: Yes, however, I see I say all this, but if
Speaker 3: if Henry Cavill was cast as goods, then it's like,
Speaker 3: never mind. All that goes out the window.
Speaker 1: It came over for you bitches, like.
Speaker 3: Oh never mind. I have no opinion on game adaptations,
Speaker 3: I have no thoughts in my head. I will watch it.
Speaker 4: So Mass Effect is about the power of friendship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like friendship.
Speaker 4: I do like friendship. I'm a sucker for friendship aspects
Speaker 4: about friendship. I'll tell you how much.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to listener questions. As always,
Speaker 1: if you have questions for the show, make sure to
Speaker 1: email them to after Dark Podcast at redventures dot com.
Speaker 1: We're working on getting me at gameshow dot com back,
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Speaker 1: to message one of us and we'll get you in.
Speaker 1: It's a very fun place full of nice, wholesome people. So, Michael,
Speaker 1: do you want to take this first question? I got you,
Speaker 1: I feel like a teacher calling on people.
Speaker 4: Nah, I got it. I think I can still read.
Speaker 4: Do you find services like game Pass, Smart delivery, delivery
Speaker 4: or even xboxes dedications to backward compatibility inadvertently impacts the
Speaker 4: public's perception of Nintendo charging full price for ports slash remasters.
Speaker 4: For example, it was quite jarring to see news of
Speaker 4: a game like Metro Exodus receiving substantial upgrades free of costs,
Speaker 4: and in the same week Nintendo ask their fans to
Speaker 4: pay seventy nine dollars and nine nine cents Canadian dollars,
Speaker 4: that is, for a port slash remaster of a ten
Speaker 4: year old game. Curious about your thoughts on the sustainability
Speaker 4: of Nintendo's approach as it pertains to their reputation amongst customers.
Speaker 4: Mister Blue MD with the question.
Speaker 3: I will say we talked about this a little bit
Speaker 3: last week with Jared Petty, So we did talk about
Speaker 3: how Nintendo is kind of this unique entity when it
Speaker 3: comes like The thing is, we've we have been teaching
Speaker 3: them with our dollars for many years that we're gonna
Speaker 3: buy Mario on every platform it comes out on because
Speaker 3: people do it. I I used to buy every version
Speaker 3: of Pokemon. Uh, because I didn't have anybody to trade with,
Speaker 3: but also because I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I want to hug you. Now you can't fill out your.
Speaker 3: I accept the hug. But also because they trained me
Speaker 3: to catch them all, so I was going to collect
Speaker 3: all of the cartridges. I stopped doing that after a while. No,
Speaker 3: I have sword NGI on their mind, but me too.
Speaker 3: I I do think that, like it's weird to say this,
Speaker 3: I guess because it's not that like like, as a
Speaker 3: person in media, I don't want to hold some companies
Speaker 3: to one standard while I hold others to another standard.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, you know, Nintendo kind of exists
Speaker 3: in ownsphear given that, like it has the exclusivity on
Speaker 3: a number of very particular franchises that you like, you
Speaker 3: don't get anything similar elsewhere, Like, yeah, you can play
Speaker 3: a three D platformer that's like Super Mario sixty four
Speaker 3: inspired on PC or whatever. I've reviewed a number of them,
Speaker 3: and none of them are what I hoped they would be.
Speaker 3: You know, like there are you know, Zelda likes, and
Speaker 3: but like none of them are Zelda, right.
Speaker 1: I It's it's.
Speaker 3: Just a very particular position that Nintendo's in thanks to
Speaker 3: you know, twenty five, thirty five plus years of build
Speaker 3: up with these franchises. Does that mean they that it
Speaker 3: doesn't suck when you get nickeled and dimed. No, obviously,
Speaker 3: It's like I would rather not pay sixty dollars for
Speaker 3: Skyward Sword. And then again, I didn't play Skyward Sword
Speaker 3: originally and I never bought it, So I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess like this is me buying it for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's definitely weird. It's I don't
Speaker 3: have a good way to explain it. It's just that
Speaker 3: Nintendo magic. We're all suckers.
Speaker 5: I just don't think that this Nintendo's gonna Nintendo, like,
Speaker 5: Nintendo has so much brand integrity, they could do whatever
Speaker 5: they want and every single person is going to continue
Speaker 5: to pay for it because they operate in a very
Speaker 5: specific space and there's.
Speaker 2: No one else that can compete with them on that level. Period.
Speaker 2: They could tell us something one hundred and twenty four
Speaker 2: dollars that we already owned three years.
Speaker 5: Ago on a different system and it was system specific then,
Speaker 5: but now you have to buy it specifically for this system,
Speaker 5: and everyone's going to be like, you know what, I
Speaker 5: love that game so much, and it's like nostalgic.
Speaker 4: Ye're set.
Speaker 5: They're repackaging and selling us nostalgia at a premium, and
Speaker 5: we're gonna continue to buy it. There's nothing anyone could
Speaker 5: do that will snap everyone out of paying these Nintendo
Speaker 5: prices except for me, because I don't do that shit.
Speaker 2: I hate to break it to you, Nintendo. You got
Speaker 2: my money once with we you.
Speaker 5: That's it. That's it. I'm not doing it. I will
Speaker 5: nint I love you so much, Nintendo. But also like
Speaker 5: that's crazy. It's crazy to me, Like we have what
Speaker 5: three switches in this house, four switches in this house
Speaker 5: now because my kid just had a birthday, so we
Speaker 5: have four switches in.
Speaker 2: This house now.
Speaker 5: I'm not buying all these games at sixty seventy dollars
Speaker 5: a pop for each of them. Xbox Game Pass exists,
Speaker 5: and my kids will just be Mario lists like I don't.
Speaker 5: And I don't feel bad about it because they have
Speaker 5: no frame of reference for it the way that we do.
Speaker 5: The people that are paying these premium costs are paying
Speaker 5: it purely because of nostalgia. Like we literally see repackaging
Speaker 5: and reselling of these Mario games, and we pay it
Speaker 5: because childhood, and we will continue to pay it.
Speaker 2: Game over, GREGGI, all of us, we're all gonna be suckers.
Speaker 2: We're all gonna buy the games. We all know we're
Speaker 2: going to come on, let's just be real except for me.
Speaker 4: Except for me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, y'all spend that money if you
Speaker 2: want to. I'll buy snacks instead.
Speaker 5: But uh, I love your Nintendo and I'll buy all
Speaker 5: your new Pokemon stuff, and I'll buy Animal Crossing stuff
Speaker 5: if it's new and it's really new, I'll buy it.
Speaker 5: But this this stuff is wild to me. I've got
Speaker 5: game Pass and I am a game pass junkie, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm thinking about it, and I
Speaker 3: haven't I did that with Pokemon for sure, But like
Speaker 3: I didn't get Windwaker HD, like I just played wind
Speaker 3: Waker on GameCube, and like I have my GameCube copy still,
Speaker 3: like I said, I never played Skyward Swords, so like
Speaker 3: if I had played Skyward Sword, I listen. I hate
Speaker 3: the art style. I hate Link's lips specifically, I like
Speaker 3: that was a big barrier for me and why I
Speaker 3: have never played cards, so like I'm gonna play because
Speaker 3: I feel like I should, I should, you know. And
Speaker 3: that's another thing about the games industries. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of pressure to like have done, you know, have experienced
Speaker 3: the Pantheon or whatever. But like if I had played
Speaker 3: it before, I probably wouldn't be buying it again. I
Speaker 3: also think that people our age, like people like millennial
Speaker 3: generation people, like if you were a kid, you were
Speaker 3: probably playing a lot of Nintendo games because a lot
Speaker 3: of like most of the other games that were available
Speaker 3: were like not necessarily for children. Yeah, so the nostalgia,
Speaker 3: the nostalgia there is like we didn't really have a
Speaker 3: lot of other options, whereas kids now probably have more
Speaker 3: options for family friendly games than just Nintendo. But like
Speaker 3: at the time, I feel like, well, you know, I
Speaker 3: can't really talk. My dad let me play Doom when
Speaker 3: I was five, so I uh, I never I never
Speaker 3: really had a barrier like that with games, Like I
Speaker 3: was playing emirated games like from from the Job. But
Speaker 3: like when you're a kid, like the Nintendo games were
Speaker 3: just they're colorful and they're friendly, and they're they're accessible
Speaker 3: for children, like a lot of them don't require a
Speaker 3: lot of reading, Like, you know, I just think there's
Speaker 3: something to that too, like specifically for like the millennial generation,
Speaker 3: the nostalgia comes from a specific place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think also comes to the game design. Like
Speaker 1: I think you're so right, both of you about talking
Speaker 1: about you know, you have this the halcyon days right
Speaker 1: that you want to go back to. And for some
Speaker 1: people that just means holding on, Like I hold on
Speaker 1: to every console I've ever owned, every game I've ever owned,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, mum, they are all in my room
Speaker 1: still and I'm never gonna move them. But like, I
Speaker 1: hold on to such shit. And you know, Okami, for example,
Speaker 1: is a game that I have bought every single time
Speaker 1: they have ported it.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 1: I have it on I think PS two, PS three,
Speaker 1: PS four, Slash five Switch. Yeah, I own paid for
Speaker 1: that game four times, and it's like, what am I
Speaker 1: getting out of that? It's the same game, and I've
Speaker 1: never finished it on any of the ports, but it's shinier.
Speaker 1: It's literally the Malibu Stacy but he's got a new
Speaker 1: but she's got.
Speaker 5: A new hat and can relate to this though with
Speaker 5: arc I've bought it on everything.
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I've done that with Skyrim, to be honest, A friend
Speaker 1: of a friend of mine used to genuinely collect different
Speaker 1: versions and copies of Resident Evil four, So a game
Speaker 1: that's obviously been ported to everything, but she would get
Speaker 1: like the international versions, like the whole thing, and so
Speaker 1: I totally get it. And it reminds me of, you know,
Speaker 1: playing that game for the first time. And but back
Speaker 1: to like to the listener question, mister mister blue MD,
Speaker 1: is that Xbox's fault. No, it's it's Nintendo choosing to
Speaker 1: do what they do Xbox and doing what they do,
Speaker 1: and like you can you you you assign your own
Speaker 1: value on if you think if you pay seventy for
Speaker 1: that ninten No game and that's worth it to you,
Speaker 1: then that's worth it to you if you pay nine
Speaker 1: ninety nine months of game Pass and that's and you
Speaker 1: you get the value out of that and get the
Speaker 1: value of that.
Speaker 4: Here's another thing too, is that it's also what are
Speaker 4: these what do these reissues offer? And for Nintendo is
Speaker 4: because from generations to generation they are also their consoles
Speaker 4: are very different from one another. The GameCube is very
Speaker 4: different from the we we do we you like obviously
Speaker 4: that's that's a parallel there. But then also you incorporate
Speaker 4: the tablet, so the games who are that are designed
Speaker 4: with the tablet in mind also need to be re
Speaker 4: need to be like rethought of when they when they're
Speaker 4: brought to another platform. Also, Greg, you'll shut your ass.
Speaker 4: Oh you just said you just said that. But your
Speaker 4: microphone just like loaded.
Speaker 5: Your gate came off your microphone, so you've been talking
Speaker 5: outside of the gate and like, so it's been muffled.
Speaker 5: But the second you moved in close, the gate dropped.
Speaker 4: Fully hate to see it. Yeah, wow, hate to hear it.
Speaker 3: But Greg, we could also hear Greg. So there's the
Speaker 3: whole cacophony of things. But you're so right, Mike, Like,
Speaker 3: the technology is also a factor where you have a
Speaker 3: little bit more consistency in you know how like the
Speaker 3: controllers are from generation to generation with Xbox or with PlayStation,
Speaker 3: but you really don't like Nintendo has some whack controllers,
Speaker 3: like they've just been all over the place, like and
Speaker 3: that the technology does change the amount of.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to. They have to.
Speaker 3: They must have had to do a lot to Skyward Sword,
Speaker 3: in particular because they added no motion controls for a
Speaker 3: game that was exclusively designed with motion controls. So you
Speaker 3: know that's a little different too, But yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think it's like it's not Xbox's faults that I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just how how it is.
Speaker 1: Also one final thought, game pass having its own like
Speaker 1: game Pass achievements has basically ruined me because it's like
Speaker 1: you get achievements for just downloading games and then you
Speaker 1: get those points and then you can put the points
Speaker 1: towards like Xbox Live Gold and stuff, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: if I wasn't suckered before, they've suckered me again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, if.
Speaker 1: You're not doing your game pass dailies, then what you've
Speaker 1: even done? Wow, just out out there. But that's all
Speaker 1: we have at time for On episode eighty two Theaters
Speaker 1: eighty two eighty two of Games one After Dark, Michael,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? And what are you working on?
Speaker 4: Oh boy? All right? So you can find me in
Speaker 4: all of my bullshit on Twitter dot com slash Michael
Speaker 4: pim or at or you can find me at Michael
Speaker 4: p I'm on Twitter. I have I don't know, Sometimes
Speaker 4: I feel like tweetings, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I have
Speaker 4: wild Twitter threat threads of what I do some bullshit
Speaker 4: I used to do back in the day, and it's
Speaker 4: very fun to share those kinds of things. Also, I
Speaker 4: shut my ass up sometimes, so you never know what
Speaker 4: you're gonna get with me. So that's that's the reason
Speaker 4: why you should follow me. You never know what you're
Speaker 4: gonna get. I might be quiet for a week, but boy,
Speaker 4: I will hit you on a Saturday night when I'm
Speaker 4: wild shmizzy or if I'm wild faded like yo, You're
Speaker 4: gonna get some fire ass tweets touch in between the
Speaker 4: hours of one a m and three as going into
Speaker 4: a Sunday. Yeah, and you know your boys on some
Speaker 4: kind of I'm on I'm on levels, so you can
Speaker 4: check that out. Also, I share my work every I
Speaker 4: don't share everything I work on, but you can peep.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm usually on. Like I talked about Yakuza, Final Fantasy
Speaker 4: and Persona all the time, So if you're into that
Speaker 4: ship we need. For not following me, you're missing out.
Speaker 4: But also I'm working on a few things. I still
Speaker 4: got a few things in the in works to cover
Speaker 4: a Persona five Strikers, and also got some more Final
Speaker 4: Fantasy things on deck, and also having a wild interview,
Speaker 4: a very long interview with a localization director for Yakuza
Speaker 4: Like a Dragon, so that's also coming up soon as well.
Speaker 3: I can't ready to read that. I'm so excited to
Speaker 3: read that.
Speaker 1: Lets get it, Kelly, what about you?
Speaker 3: You can follow me on Twitter at inky do Chico
Speaker 3: I n K y d O j I K k
Speaker 3: oh And you know, as usual, I'm working on a
Speaker 3: lot of you know, stuff that's not getting published, a
Speaker 3: lot of back and stuff, I you know, workflow processes,
Speaker 3: project management, super exciting. So I'm not really posting a
Speaker 3: lot of a work on Twitter right now, but I do.
Speaker 3: I do, indeed do things. I'm gearing up, like I said,
Speaker 3: for Pokemon, so you might see stuff from me on
Speaker 3: Pokemon if they actually announce anything. And the Animal Crossing
Speaker 3: update which is going live on the twenty fifth, which
Speaker 3: has already happened for you if you're listening to this,
Speaker 3: and the Mario items which are coming on March first
Speaker 3: in games, so I'm going to be doing more animal
Speaker 3: Crossing stuff for that, I guess. And finally, I have
Speaker 3: an Animal Crossing Instagram account that I've been posting.
Speaker 1: You should you should, you should shot about this because
Speaker 1: it's so good.
Speaker 5: Wait, Patty, why haven't you shared this with me? I
Speaker 5: need to stand.
Speaker 2: Let me go stand, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Join me on Animal Crossing Instagram. It's a lovely place.
Speaker 3: It's the only way I can use Instagram now because
Speaker 3: my actual Instagram account is unusable to me at this time.
Speaker 3: But it's Inky Dot Crossing. You know, got that brand.
Speaker 2: I see it, you pulled up immediately. I'm on it.
Speaker 2: I'm following. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: But it's a lot of fun. And so I've just
Speaker 3: been posting like photos from my island and stuff on there,
Speaker 3: and I, uh, it's it's a great time. I am
Speaker 3: really really enjoying it. So if you like Animal Crossing,
Speaker 3: like zombie and you want to see what I've been
Speaker 3: up to, it's a great community.
Speaker 1: It's so sweet and zombie. Why can people find you?
Speaker 1: What are you up to?
Speaker 5: You can find me everywhere, and I mean everywhere. And
Speaker 5: I'm gonna push heavily my tiktoks because now I'm I'm
Speaker 5: becoming TikTok fluent. Yeah, I'm doing them. I'm doing I'm
Speaker 5: doing them. But uh yeah, find me on TikTok, on Twitter,
Speaker 5: on Instagram, on Twitch, and on YouTube at Zombie Kills.
Speaker 5: I'm the same everywhere. We have consistent branding in this house.
Speaker 5: That's what we believe in. And tonight I'm doing a
Speaker 5: charity stream. I'll be playing for the on the game
Speaker 5: Hers channel for the Thousand Dreams Fund. I'll be playing
Speaker 5: some little Nightmares too, and then I'll be doing blind
Speaker 5: play through with Steve Saylor on Friday. I'm really excited
Speaker 5: about it. And I've been doing the D and D
Speaker 5: with the homies All Black D and D every Saturday
Speaker 5: two to five pm on Cipher of Tears Twitch channel.
Speaker 2: It's been really great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, shout out to Tanya. It's been really great playing
Speaker 5: D and D. I've never done it before and it's
Speaker 5: all black. It's something that we got to do sponsored
Speaker 5: by Astros. And I'm honestly like, okay, like don't tell anybody,
Speaker 5: but like I'm really freaking into D and D now,
Speaker 5: Like I'm really into it.
Speaker 1: Talk about it because I've been one time so into it.
Speaker 5: I'm so into it and now like i think I'm
Speaker 5: gonna start doing it more on my channel, Like I've
Speaker 5: got this bug now and it's bad. Like I just
Speaker 5: have been having so much fun. So yeah, if you
Speaker 5: like that kind of stuff, if you like that kind
Speaker 5: of content. Follow me on all the things. Uh, sometimes
Speaker 5: you'll find me, you know, railing against everything wrong. And
Speaker 5: then sometimes you'll find me being drunk and vibing like
Speaker 5: Michael on Main and having a good time.
Speaker 2: And sometimes I'll just be silly. But yeah, you should
Speaker 2: follow me and.
Speaker 5: Get the full version of who I am instead of
Speaker 5: the internet YouTube version of who I am.
Speaker 4: I can I can vouch for Zombie. Zombie is one
Speaker 4: of the one of the people I've followed who've won.
Speaker 4: I've what I've learned from Zombie from following you over
Speaker 4: the past ever since discovered you, is I've learned a
Speaker 4: lot about being comfortable with yourself. And I think that
Speaker 4: that is that has made me a lot happier during
Speaker 4: a like a tough time during pandemic. I'm like, fuck it,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be myself. My I'm I'm not scared to
Speaker 4: be myself. And I see that a lot when I
Speaker 4: since I've been following you, so in that way, like
Speaker 4: I've learned.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 4: One of the many one of the many things I've
Speaker 4: learned from you is like yo fucking Wilow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just be yourself. Man, life is short. You could
Speaker 5: die literally five minutes from now. We have no choice
Speaker 5: but to like just be our most authentic selves and
Speaker 5: live right big facts.
Speaker 1: Hell yes, well, thank you again for joining us, and
Speaker 1: thank you all for listening. I'm on twittertas James Games.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this on Friday, head over to
Speaker 1: games was YouTube channel YouTube Slash Games for a new
Speaker 1: episode of Console Crew. It's basically Generation Next, but we
Speaker 1: talk about Nintendo Now. So if you enjoy that, please
Speaker 1: but you're pointing it.
Speaker 4: I almost forgot. We just dropped a Yakuza Like a
Speaker 4: Dragon spoiler cast me Ben Jenka, Jean Luke, Skype and
Speaker 4: an illustrious guest by the name of Max Scoville is
Speaker 4: on that thing, and we we wild out about Yakuza
Speaker 4: Like a Dragon. All the spoilers on deck. So if
Speaker 4: you have played that game, oh definitely peep out. That's
Speaker 4: a bonus episode. A game spot after dark and the
Speaker 4: Cryme boys get wild up in there, so you know,
Speaker 4: peep that ship.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, So if you're subscribed to the podcast feed,
Speaker 1: you will get that listen to. I haven't listened to
Speaker 1: it xce' and finished the game, but I'm very excited
Speaker 1: to check out what the crime Boys have to say,
Speaker 1: because I've never met such a passionate group of people
Speaker 1: about a game as the crime Boys. Something should give
Speaker 1: a listen if you've finished, because I like a dragon.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening. We'll see you next week.