Speaker 1: Joining us now to kick off the Happy hour. Our
Speaker 1: good friend Will Vandervoord from the Clemson Insider, who had
Speaker 1: a double header double header duty up there in Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: this weekend. What's up, my friend? Not better than you,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that you had one of the greatest
Speaker 1: sports weekends I can imagine. We'll get to the Steelers
Speaker 1: in a minute. Will, by the way, covers the Clemson
Speaker 1: Tigers for the Believe in Clemson Football podcast and the
Speaker 1: Clemson Insider dot com. And he was there in attendance
Speaker 1: at Akroschure Stadium covering uh what I can just describe
Speaker 1: as a gritty win by Clemson, and then he stuck
Speaker 1: around maybe uh maybe camped out in the stadium. I
Speaker 1: don't know this roomy and really you saw his from
Speaker 1: what I understand. That was your third Steelers game of
Speaker 1: the year. Undefeated, undefeated, right, undefeated?
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, three and zero? Uh, I need the start
Speaker 2: this season. Which was another game where the Steelers didn't
Speaker 2: score touchdowns. Then I went to but they won. Then
Speaker 2: I went to Denver. Yeah we two. They only scored
Speaker 2: one touchdown in that game. And then I went to
Speaker 2: U this game on Sunday and they did score touchdown,
Speaker 2: but they won. And by the way, so me and
Speaker 2: my friend Sam and his girlfriend Sonya shout out to Bill.
Speaker 2: They were with me and my brother was with me
Speaker 2: also this week with the Ravens game. But the three
Speaker 2: of us were in Atlanta, no touchdowns, Steelers one. Then
Speaker 2: the three of us were in Pittsburgh, no touchdowns and
Speaker 2: Steelers one. It's the first time in franchise history the
Speaker 2: Steelers have won two games in the same season without
Speaker 2: scoring a touchdown. And I was out both of them
Speaker 2: with my buddy Sam and his girl friends Sonya.
Speaker 1: Did the Steelers to my knowledge, don't do they have
Speaker 1: a mascot.
Speaker 2: They do not have one that's on the field.
Speaker 1: Who needs to Van Dervoort needs to get a good team.
Speaker 1: That just a big, a big mascot ahead of Will Vanderbilt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a steel outfit with Will VanderBurg with the grime
Speaker 1: and dirt on his hands. That's right, getting the dirty
Speaker 1: work done. Well. We'll talk to Steelers here in a minute.
Speaker 1: But man, what a win it was for Clemson. Look,
Speaker 1: let's start just with Kate Clubnick in that amazing fifty
Speaker 1: yard run at the end of the game, and you
Speaker 1: couple that with the fact that they had to do
Speaker 1: it that way because the offensive line was in shambles
Speaker 1: from injuries, guys rotating it out. Antony Williams with a
Speaker 1: big game, TJ. Parker with a monstrous game, but what
Speaker 1: an effort at the end by Clubnick and the growth
Speaker 1: of this quarterback continues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just a very It was a design
Speaker 2: quarterback draw and I got to get also give a
Speaker 2: shout out, and I believe it was Trent Howard the
Speaker 2: other day that said that at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: Ryan Linticum, he's the one who called the blocking scheme
Speaker 2: that allowed Clubnick to get open. He saw something, he
Speaker 2: changed it up at the last second before they snapped
Speaker 2: the ball, and obviously it worked what he saw does
Speaker 2: It allowed Kay to have a nice lane to go through.
Speaker 2: And then also shout out to TJ. Moore too, because
Speaker 2: Cade talked about how you know he when cut when
Speaker 2: he started to cut outside, he saw TJ. Moore had
Speaker 2: taken the guy and taken him to the right and
Speaker 2: up the field, which took him straight out to play.
Speaker 2: It was a great blockdown field by the freshman wide
Speaker 2: receiver that allowed Cad just have one guy to beat
Speaker 2: and that was the safety, and he beat him and
Speaker 2: screwed it up the sideline for the touchdown. So it
Speaker 2: was a cad made the play, but it was a
Speaker 2: bunch of other guys that helped him make the play
Speaker 2: obviously at the same time. And they all made it
Speaker 2: when they needed to the most. And John I said this,
Speaker 2: I've said this a couple of times now. Clemson doesn't
Speaker 2: win the Virginia Tech game last week, nor the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: game last year. If this was last year's team, they
Speaker 2: don't win either one of these games. But this is
Speaker 2: a different team. It shows you how far they've come
Speaker 2: because it's a lot of the same players that played
Speaker 2: last year when they lost that MT State and they
Speaker 2: played like that. He couldn't make a play when they
Speaker 2: needed to when they lost at Miami and couldn't make
Speaker 2: a play against the backup quarterback and backup running back,
Speaker 2: and they couldn't make a play. Well this year, they
Speaker 2: didn't play great in either one of those games, but
Speaker 2: they found a way to win in the end, and
Speaker 2: that's all that matters. But like you said, it shows
Speaker 2: the progression of not only their young quarterback, but of
Speaker 2: this team and this program as well.
Speaker 1: It does show a lot of growth, will vanevert when
Speaker 1: you look at what they went through last year and
Speaker 1: a lot of what they went through the last few
Speaker 1: years with some of the adversity, and obviously last year
Speaker 1: being the prime example of just self inflicted mistakes and
Speaker 1: the inability to overcome. Like the NC State game comes
Speaker 1: to mind, we'll get your thoughts on an NC State
Speaker 1: grad who had a moment on Sunday, Peyton Wilson. I
Speaker 1: know you were front and center to see that here momentarily,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you look at the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean TJ. Parker Man, I'm just watching that game
Speaker 1: and he is flashing everywhere. Four sacks, four and a
Speaker 1: half tackles for loss, making some history there as a
Speaker 1: Clemson pass rusher. I mean, you're in attendance for that game.
Speaker 1: It's got to be mind boggling to just watch what
Speaker 1: you're seeing there against a very sound unit in pit.
Speaker 2: Well, I knew he had a great game because he
Speaker 2: was like in the backfield the whole day and he
Speaker 2: was making tackles and everything, and so I knew he
Speaker 2: had a great game. I didn't realize he had a
Speaker 2: record day you know what I'm saying until I read
Speaker 2: my game notes, so I'm like, holy man, he had
Speaker 2: a great He had a record game that game, you know,
Speaker 2: because when he made the plays there at the end
Speaker 2: that gave him that allowed him to tie the record
Speaker 2: and set the record. You know, that was you know,
Speaker 2: that was at the end of the game because people
Speaker 2: weren't really talking about it because you're talking about the
Speaker 2: end of the game, right so you know, so you
Speaker 2: really didn't know that was going on because of what
Speaker 2: was happening in a moment. And but what a great
Speaker 2: game by him. He's been playing with Listen, TJ. Parker's
Speaker 2: played well all year. He's just been getting double team
Speaker 2: and I think what you saw the reason he was
Speaker 2: able to play as well as he did. Now, Fifthburgh
Speaker 2: had some injuries on the offensive line as well. You
Speaker 2: got to understand that. But I think the growth of
Speaker 2: kay Deenhoff and a growth of Jahine Lawson at d
Speaker 2: event helped because they moved Peter Woods inside. He played
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of that game at defensive tackle. And
Speaker 2: those two ends really grew up and have grown up,
Speaker 2: and they showed that in that game where they were
Speaker 2: actually getting in the backfield themselves and Pittsburgh had to
Speaker 2: adjust to that, and so it wasn't just chipping on
Speaker 2: on on, you know, TJ. Park of the whole game
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So that allowed him to be PJ.
Speaker 2: Parker and he you know, right now, he's second in
Speaker 2: the ACC and sacks and he's second in the ACC
Speaker 2: tackles were lost, and he's one of the best in
Speaker 2: the country at getting to the quarterback. And I think
Speaker 2: you're going to see that continue to be the case
Speaker 2: because you're seeing growth of those other two defensive ends
Speaker 2: on the other side, and that's allowing you know, TJ.
Speaker 2: Parker to get to make some plays now where early
Speaker 2: in the season he wasn't able to do that because
Speaker 2: of how teams were defending him.
Speaker 1: Well. Vandervoord, Clemson insider and also the host of the
Speaker 1: Believe in Clemson Football podcast, is our guest here. We'll
Speaker 1: talk Steelers with him in a minute. He's a Steeler fanatic.
Speaker 1: But Clemson moved up three spots in the College Football
Speaker 1: playoff rankings. Uh, what's your take on that and what's
Speaker 1: the path forward for Clemson as you understand it in
Speaker 1: terms of ACC Championship possibilities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Clemson's only pack in the College Football
Speaker 2: Playoff is to get into the AC championshgain win it.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not. Clemson's not going to get in
Speaker 2: that large bid. We know that by now. This is
Speaker 2: it's heavily favored to the Big ten and SEC and
Speaker 2: it's going to be this way for years to come,
Speaker 2: which is why Clinton needs to leave the ACC because
Speaker 2: it's just not fair right now for if you're not
Speaker 2: in those two conferences. With that said, though, just talking
Speaker 2: about this year in general, you know, right now, Miami,
Speaker 2: the scenarios of this. You know, Miami will if they
Speaker 2: lose one of these next two. It doesn't matter which one.
Speaker 2: Clemson's in, m Okay, because Clemson's in the clubhouse. They finished.
Speaker 2: They're they're sitting in the eighteenth t eighteenth hole in
Speaker 2: the clubhouse. They finished, you know why. You know, Miami
Speaker 2: and uh and and them were on the seventeenth hole.
Speaker 1: So at the clubhouse hoping for the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're on the seventeenth hole and then and
Speaker 2: so the pressure is on those two teams to finish,
Speaker 2: right because Clemson's in and Clinton knows where it's at.
Speaker 2: So you know Miami if they lose one of these
Speaker 2: next two games, Clemson's in and I want I'm interested
Speaker 2: how Miami handles the pressure. I'll tell you this much, guys.
Speaker 2: I'm glad and say, now, okay, Clinton's gonna be the
Speaker 2: Nation Championship game. And I'm so confident I'm gonna fill
Speaker 2: out my credential for Nations Championship plone with you, guys.
Speaker 2: And here's why Miami will lose one of these next
Speaker 2: two games. Because the ball doesn't lie. And everybody who
Speaker 2: knows ball knows Miami had no business winning that Virginia
Speaker 2: Tech game that they were given that game. And everybody
Speaker 2: who knows ball knows Miami has no business winning that
Speaker 2: California game that they were given that game too. And
Speaker 2: that's not a very good defense.
Speaker 1: That's Syracuse game that that's the one I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: That's the word friend.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at too. I don't think Wake Forest.
Speaker 2: I think Force is gonna move the football on them
Speaker 2: and score on them. But I don't think White Forest
Speaker 2: can hang with them. Uh in a in a in
Speaker 2: a you know, shootout. Weird.
Speaker 1: A lot of weird things happen in Syracuse, says you
Speaker 1: know that is an awkward place to play in. Fran
Speaker 1: Brown's doing a hell of a job at the football team.
Speaker 2: It's good team, so you know, I think that's where
Speaker 2: it's going to happen. And you know it's gonna be
Speaker 2: on the road. They're gonna be everybody's gonna be against them.
Speaker 2: You know. I just and I just don't think ball lies.
Speaker 2: I just don't think it lies. And I think everybody
Speaker 2: knows Crimson should be in that championship game and not Miami.
Speaker 2: I think everybody to a man knows that, and and
Speaker 2: and I think it will happen. Now Crimpson didn't mess up.
Speaker 2: They had their own opportunities. Just you know, if they
Speaker 2: don't mess up against Louisville, they're playing in the AC
Speaker 2: championship game. So that is what it is. But I'm
Speaker 2: confident Miami's gonna lose because they don't deserve to be in.
Speaker 2: They don't. They're not the best team in the ACC.
Speaker 2: And I don't care what anybody says that they're not.
Speaker 2: Their defense is not very good at all. I think
Speaker 2: their defense is giving up Clo the forty points the
Speaker 2: game and almost five hundred yards the game in act play.
Speaker 2: That's how bad it is. Okay, it is not a
Speaker 2: very good defense, and their offense now is great, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong. You know, I think I think cam
Speaker 2: Board is the best quarterback in the league, and I
Speaker 2: think they got one of the best running backs in
Speaker 2: the country as well. But they're just not They're not
Speaker 2: very good on the defense side of the ball, and
Speaker 2: I don't it's a team game, it's not a one
Speaker 2: unit game, and I think that's gonna cost them in
Speaker 2: the end. So yeah, you know, so that's one scenario.
Speaker 2: The other scenario is the you know, it's the less
Speaker 2: likely of the ones. Now. If if SMU loses their
Speaker 2: next two games, then Clemson's in there as well. But
Speaker 2: I don't see SMU losing both of those games. I mean,
Speaker 2: they could, you know, I mean, is a tough team.
Speaker 1: Tony Elliott has the opportunity to be the most cleansing
Speaker 1: man ever this weekend.
Speaker 2: Yes he does. And it went surprised me to see
Speaker 2: Virginia beat him because SMU has been flirting with disaster
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. You know, I say, you
Speaker 2: go back to last week's game or they almost they
Speaker 2: should have probably lost to Boston College. You can make
Speaker 2: a strong argument, and then they definitely should have lost
Speaker 2: the duke. You know, so they've kind of been flirting
Speaker 2: with disaster as well, but I think they I just
Speaker 2: don't see them lose. They're too consistent, you know, They've
Speaker 2: been too consistent throughout the season where I don't see
Speaker 2: them losing back to back games. But if they lose
Speaker 2: to Virginia, Okay, now here's how Clemson can get in.
Speaker 2: If SMU loses to Virginia, if Louisville loses to Pitt
Speaker 2: which is a possibility, and and Virginia, I mean Virginia
Speaker 2: wins the SMU game and Louisville loses the PIT and
Speaker 2: then Virginia next week beats Virginia Tech, there will be
Speaker 2: a three way tie for first place in the ACC.
Speaker 2: Miami automatically goes Clemson goes over SMU because Clinton's would
Speaker 2: have beaten a team with a better conference record in Virginia.
Speaker 2: So that's how Clemson would get in over SMU. And
Speaker 2: that's so there's two scenarios out there, or three scenarios.
Speaker 2: One is more likely, that's Miami. The other two are
Speaker 2: not as likely, but you got to follow it. Hey,
Speaker 2: my Steeler's gotten in the playoffs with less likely chances
Speaker 2: the last few years, and so anything can happen. You know,
Speaker 2: I'll never say it's over till it's over.
Speaker 3: Will Let's let's get some Steelers talk in here. The Steelers,
Speaker 3: they're in a pretty unique place as far as quarterback
Speaker 3: play goes. Obviously, Russell Wilson with that deep moonball, it's beautiful,
Speaker 3: but you've also got Russell or excuse me, you've also
Speaker 3: got Justin Fields in there. I've heard chirp and chatter
Speaker 3: through some of the people in Pittsburgh that cover this
Speaker 3: team talking about Justin Fields down there in the red zone, dialing.
Speaker 4: Up some packages for Justin Fields.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that and utilizing him there
Speaker 3: like not not just in the red zone. But we
Speaker 3: kind of saw, you know, in Sunday's game against the
Speaker 3: Ravens where he rushed for that to try and get
Speaker 3: that first down. Obviously he slid a little early, didn't
Speaker 3: get the first down, but dialing up some packages for
Speaker 3: Justin Fields, you got him, may as well use him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll remind you that Justin. The Steelers weren't very
Speaker 2: good in the red zone with Justin Fields with the.
Speaker 4: Quarterback right he did have his legs though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I hear it, I get it. But I
Speaker 2: think you're better with Russell Wilson in the red zone.
Speaker 2: When you go back to the last couple of games,
Speaker 2: Who's throwing touchdown passes in the red zone? Idiot this game, No,
Speaker 2: but you can't give the Ravens credit for that. Like
Speaker 2: the Ravens game, the Steelers up very well. But against Washington,
Speaker 2: he you know, got red zone touchdowns. You know the
Speaker 2: other two previous games that Justson the Giants, you got
Speaker 2: redon touchdowns. I'm not worried. You don't need to you
Speaker 2: need to use Justin Fields. I'm thinking packages out in
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. But I think when the
Speaker 2: field shrinks, you got to be able to throw the
Speaker 2: ball accurately in the red zone when the field shrinks
Speaker 2: like that. And and Justin Fields is not that guy,
Speaker 2: not right now. And that was proven the first six
Speaker 2: games of the season. And so you know, the Steelers
Speaker 2: were not good at all in the red zone with
Speaker 2: Justin Fields. So I say, don't worry about that. I
Speaker 2: don't think the Steelers are worried about that. I don't
Speaker 2: even think jumped in their head because one of the
Speaker 2: reasons they liked they went out and got Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: was because Russell Wilson is very good in the red zone.
Speaker 2: Twenty of these twenty six passes last year were in
Speaker 2: the red zone. I think he's already got three red
Speaker 2: zone touchdown passes this year was with the Steelers. Did
Speaker 2: he make a stupid mistake the other day? Absolutely did.
Speaker 2: I was up there yelling at him more.
Speaker 1: Than I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think Washington goes up to that ball though he might.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was being held too. But Russell
Speaker 2: should have known the situation. You just keep the field goal,
Speaker 2: you know, throw it out of bounce out of the
Speaker 2: back of the end to kick the field goal. And
Speaker 2: you know, at that point the Steelers would have an
Speaker 2: eleven point lead instead of a you know, an eight
Speaker 2: point lead. Changed the whole dynamics of that game. If
Speaker 2: he kicks the field goal there, So, you know, got
Speaker 2: to be Russell's got to be a little bit more
Speaker 2: smarter than that. I understand what he was trying to do,
Speaker 2: but you can't turn the football over there. You got
Speaker 2: to get the point, especially in a game like that.
Speaker 2: And so I'm find I like the way they did though,
Speaker 2: Russell with with Justin Fields in the game, bringing them
Speaker 2: in to run those plays and made the Ravens think.
Speaker 2: I loved how Mike Tomlin did an okie dokee with
Speaker 2: them when he came out with Justin Fields on to
Speaker 2: that four on that third one, he came out with
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, saw the defensive alignment and then says up
Speaker 2: time out, We're gonna put out Justin back in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and even though they still ran Nasee on the play,
Speaker 2: it made the Baltimore realize they had to pay attention
Speaker 2: to what Fields was doing and it totally changed their
Speaker 2: whole scheme on what they were going to do. And
Speaker 2: they had they couldn't call the time out there because
Speaker 2: they would have burned their last time out, so they
Speaker 2: had to go with what was on the field. And
Speaker 2: so smart move by. That's why Mike Tomlin he's a
Speaker 2: he's a great coach in those situations. Now when it
Speaker 2: comes to the challenge flag, because there was one sack
Speaker 2: on the play in that game that would have cost
Speaker 2: the Ravens would have got their field goal had Mike
Speaker 2: Comlin thrown the challenge flag because he was down and
Speaker 2: we're sitting in the stadium might throw the flag, throw
Speaker 2: the flag, you know, you know, but anyway, you know.
Speaker 2: But it was a good, great coaching call. The little
Speaker 2: Oki dokie did there to the hardball and it pulled.
Speaker 2: It worked out great, and Justin Field's made the great
Speaker 2: right read and Nausey gets the first down and the
Speaker 2: game's over and I was celebrating because you know why
Speaker 2: they beat the Ravens, man, I hate the Ravens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was awesome. It was awesome to be in
Speaker 2: that state. It was a great atmosphere, by the way,
Speaker 2: it was like the playoff atmosphere. And the Steelers from
Speaker 2: the moment, you know, about twenty minutes before the game starts,
Speaker 2: they're getting the crowd amped up, and they do it
Speaker 2: throughout the entire game. I mean, it is. It is
Speaker 2: one of the best marketing things I've seen by any
Speaker 2: game I've been to. And remember I've been to a
Speaker 2: lot of games, guys, as you know, covering Yep and
Speaker 2: going to different NFL stadiums following the Steelers, and trust me,
Speaker 2: that's the best marketing game I've ever seen. To keep
Speaker 2: the crowd into the game the entire time where they're
Speaker 2: just loud and bolsterous and making it really difficult for
Speaker 2: the visiting team.
Speaker 4: How are you feeling about tomorrow Night's game?
Speaker 3: Obviously coming off a short week, we just just played
Speaker 3: the Ravens. That's always taxing. They play, they play hard,
Speaker 3: but it seems like, I think, what's the stat I
Speaker 3: saw the last like six meetings with the Browns were
Speaker 3: like one four and one. I believe you think that's
Speaker 3: different this year with this offense. And obviously it feels
Speaker 3: like this defense.
Speaker 2: Correct that what you just said, not the last that's
Speaker 2: at Cleveland.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, well yeah, Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's at Cleveland Bird, So there no time the
Speaker 2: Browns are one four one overall against within any point
Speaker 2: in life of my life. Well, yeah, we had to
Speaker 2: make sure that's corrected.
Speaker 3: But definitely, this defense feels like it's playing on a
Speaker 3: whole other level, even even above what we've we were
Speaker 3: coming to expect coming into this season with this defense.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about Mars game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I'm not gonna lie to you,
Speaker 2: it's a trap game because you're playing the Steelers. By
Speaker 2: the way, they want to give another record to make
Speaker 2: you feel good. The Steelers are ten and ten coming
Speaker 2: off the playing the Ravens in a game. So there,
Speaker 2: that's that's not a good thing. Right Then, to make
Speaker 2: it even worse, the Steelers are one in seven on
Speaker 2: Thursday night football on the road, so uh and and
Speaker 2: three of those losses are to Cleveland, believe it or not.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, So the numbers don't are not good,
Speaker 2: but the good news is Cleveland's awful. Yeah, and Miles
Speaker 2: Garret did not practice yesterday at a whole status is today,
Speaker 2: but he did not practice yesterday. He's got some kind
Speaker 2: of hit pointer or something, they said. Even even if
Speaker 2: he does play, he's probably not one hundred percent. So
Speaker 2: that could bow well for for the Steelers in a Granted,
Speaker 2: the Steelers are banged up too because they just played
Speaker 2: the Ravens, you know, So you know it's gonna be
Speaker 2: interesting to see. I think the key tomorrow night for
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Tomorrow night against the Browns, they got to stop
Speaker 2: they gotta start Nick Chubb. I think that they can
Speaker 2: just slow him down and not let him be any
Speaker 2: factor in the game. Then I think the Steelers will win.
Speaker 2: But you know, he's going to be motivated in this
Speaker 2: thing because this is the game he got hurt in
Speaker 2: last year, and actually the last two times he's got
Speaker 2: hurt has been against the Steelers.
Speaker 3: I think Henry is a good matchup going into it
Speaker 3: like that was a good litmus test there, Derrick Henry
Speaker 3: with the with the Ravens now Nick Chubb with the Browns.
Speaker 1: Right out of the gate and force. That was an
Speaker 1: amazing way to start the game. So that helps.
Speaker 2: And it's good to get Herbert back because he made
Speaker 2: the fumble against them. So and also you don't have
Speaker 2: to worry about like you know, we saw Herbert a
Speaker 2: couple of times get out of get out of his
Speaker 2: runs run wanes and allowed he allowed uh you know,
Speaker 2: Vick listen to me, uh Lamar Jackson to go to
Speaker 2: go off to the hedge and get around them. So
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about that. With James Winston, Jamis
Speaker 2: Winston is not a running quarterback, so you you just
Speaker 2: got to play the run. But you know, the Steelers
Speaker 2: at times this year struggled against some teams you know,
Speaker 2: run runs running backs and they have not you know,
Speaker 2: coming off only you know, three days rest, you know,
Speaker 2: not a full week. They just played a very physical
Speaker 2: game against the Ravens. You know, it's it's a game.
Speaker 2: But the good news I think, I think just that
Speaker 2: the Browns just aren't very good overall on the defense
Speaker 2: or on offense. Usually they're really good on offense, but
Speaker 2: they're not, I mean really good on defense. But they're
Speaker 2: not good on defense this year, guys, they're not. They're
Speaker 2: not playing well on defense at all. And so you know,
Speaker 2: you hope Pittsburgh could take advantage of that. And by
Speaker 2: the way, here's a good number for you. Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: is three and oh against the Browns all time, including
Speaker 2: a win at Cleveland last year's Nevers quarterback. So there's
Speaker 2: a good news for you.
Speaker 1: That's right. One more question here. You might have answered
Speaker 1: this already, but forgive me. How happy are you that
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson is a Steeler? I mean, you covered the
Speaker 1: ACC for a long time. Obviously NC stayed great, but
Speaker 1: we saw what Peyton could do last year against Clemson
Speaker 1: and what a play he made against Justice Hill on
Speaker 1: that route.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they showed them on TV, but
Speaker 2: it was after Renegade.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Renegade perfect. Yes, yeah, Renegade is for the can get
Speaker 2: the big defensive stop and that was on that that
Speaker 2: SI that was right after the interception that Russell Wilson threw.
Speaker 2: And then they played renegade and then Lamar has that
Speaker 2: long run getting in the midfield and then like two
Speaker 2: plays later he throws the interception. Uh wow, so that
Speaker 2: was after renegade. So it was a great play. Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson said, it was great that an NC State guy
Speaker 2: had another guy back.
Speaker 1: Of course, there you go, man, that's right right up
Speaker 1: to the turnover. Well, Will, ye can't wait to see
Speaker 1: you down there. And Clemson again this weekend they take
Speaker 1: on Citadel and then you got uh South Carolina. Clemson
Speaker 1: of course coming up a week and a half from now.
Speaker 1: Is always the host of Believe in Clemson Football podcast,
Speaker 1: huge Steeler fan, and with the Clemson Insider, it's Will
Speaker 1: Vanderford chronicling his yins are doubleheader this past weekend. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you enjoyed it, Bud real fast.
Speaker 2: For those people out there, because I know you've got
Speaker 2: some Game Cup fans too that listen. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: called the Palmetto ball, so don't call it that.
Speaker 1: Duly noted it.
Speaker 2: Don't play into the stupid marketing there. Okay, it is
Speaker 2: not the Palmetto Balls, Carolina Carolina or Carolina Clipson. That's
Speaker 2: all it needs to be called. Don't call it anything else.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great matchup this year, t this time around noon kickoff.
Speaker 1: We'll see you out there, will.
Speaker 2: All right, Man, talk to you guys like that.
Speaker 1: There it goes.