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<v Speaker 1>This is the Itchy and Bitchy Podcast because being itchy

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks hello, and welcome back to Itchy and Bitchy podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, doctor Miller?

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<v Speaker 2>We are so good?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this is our first first episode of questions

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<v Speaker 1>that we got from our listeners, and we actually probably

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<v Speaker 1>Karen has listeners from all over the world actually, so

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<v Speaker 1>we definitely have some from the United States, but we

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<v Speaker 2>Hello out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, big wide world. So hello to everyone, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, yeah, thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got some questions from our listeners and we're

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, okay, so ready, So we're gonna divide this up

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna have a few breaks. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get to as many questions as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready care, captain, We're ready to roll. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the first question is from Tiffany from Atlanta. She's

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six years old female, and she asked us that

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<v Speaker 1>her doctor. She said, my doctor started me on GLP

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<v Speaker 1>one and HRT simultaneously, so at the same time. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she says Reddit went crazy and she wants to

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<v Speaker 1>know am I over medicating? And so my opinion is, doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>Reddit is not a thing, So check with your provider.

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<v Speaker 1>Your provider is the expert on you, and that would

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<v Speaker 1>be my first response to that. Probably there's some medical

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<v Speaker 1>data as far as GLP ones and HRT.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's worrisome, but you know, when you and

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<v Speaker 2>your particular situation have a therapy change and you put

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<v Speaker 2>that out there in the world, and so then all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of people with varying opinions weigh in, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important to definitely trust your provider and

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<v Speaker 2>at least balance ideas and questions off your provider. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>on the hormone side, it is the interesting More and

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<v Speaker 2>more information is coming out on the GLP one ras

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<v Speaker 2>and in women with PCOS, which is polycystic ovarian syndrome

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<v Speaker 2>which can be tied to obesity and hyperinsulinism. In this

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<v Speaker 2>and that there is an issue related to testosterone levels

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<v Speaker 2>rising as part of PCOS and so lyriglue tide is

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<v Speaker 2>found to reduce serum testosterone levels over about a three

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<v Speaker 2>month period, which then it leads to improved androgen profiles.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's important to remember too with weight loss

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<v Speaker 2>that all the six hortomones are fat soluble hormones, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's this shift that happens. This particular study came from

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<v Speaker 2>a systematic review of glp ones in patients that had

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<v Speaker 2>metabolic syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that was a lot of information. So what

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<v Speaker 1>I got from that is that the hormones and the

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<v Speaker 1>glp ones are definitely interacting. When you start losing weight,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the hormones that have been deposited in the

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<v Speaker 1>fat are going to be released. You're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>fluctuations there. It sounded to me like you need to

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<v Speaker 1>have an expert that would be your provider monitoring hormone

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<v Speaker 1>levels and checking and really doing a frequent revisit monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>rather than in every six months kind of situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It also you mentioned and polycystic ovary disease. How common

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<v Speaker 2>It's extremely common, certainly as BMI goes up, people start

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<v Speaker 2>to develop pcos and then there's also some reproductive repercussions

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<v Speaker 2>is also are thought to impact estrogen mediated pathways and

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<v Speaker 2>reduce viseral fat, which then can potentially have impact on

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<v Speaker 2>gonatal effects and weight loss mediated effects for reproduction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so previously we did an episode and I compared

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<v Speaker 1>this whole hormone pituitary cascade, like having fifteen toilets interlinked,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have all of these water flows and crazy

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<v Speaker 1>ups and downs and feedback loops and everything, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really is a very very complicated system just with the

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<v Speaker 1>HRT and the hormone issue, but then you add on

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<v Speaker 1>to that the GLP one which can have some dreg

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<v Speaker 1>influence on hormones, but also as you start degrading the

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<v Speaker 1>fat and losing the weight, then that also changes the

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<v Speaker 1>water level and the tanks and the hormone levels. So

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<v Speaker 1>it gets really really complex. So would you would have

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<v Speaker 1>if this were your patient, and we're not your we're

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<v Speaker 1>not your doctors, but it would have been better to

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<v Speaker 1>do one for six months and then do the other,

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<v Speaker 1>or is it bad to do both at the same time?

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<v Speaker 1>If they're not, you know, and this depends on.

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<v Speaker 2>How I think it met it possible to make that

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<v Speaker 2>call because we just don't have enough information on this

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<v Speaker 2>particular evaluate the patient, and so I think a full

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<v Speaker 2>evaluation with full hormone levels. I do think that we

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<v Speaker 2>underestimate the impact of weight gain, and certainly even among men,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been some association with gp one ras and increases

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<v Speaker 2>in testosterone levels as people lose weight as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So definitely contact your your doctor. Taught asked these questions

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<v Speaker 1>to them. But Reddit is not really a great source.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been involved in Reddit and various marketing

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<v Speaker 1>and science and data and you know, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>textbook that I've written, and Reddit is public source and

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<v Speaker 1>there's some usefulness in that. But these are not people

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<v Speaker 1>that know your situation. They can say, you know, space

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<v Speaker 1>aliens came down and stole your ovary and there's just

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<v Speaker 1>no you know, rhyme or reason to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff on Reddit. So talk to your provider. Definitely, there

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<v Speaker 1>can be some interactions. If you're definitely having any symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>that seem a typical, absolutely get evaluated again. Okay, any

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<v Speaker 2>Tiffany Tiffany Yeah, thank you so much for engaging with us.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you are certainly inquisitive and would like

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<v Speaker 2>more information, so make sure that you follow up with

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<v Speaker 2>your hormonal expert that you're seeing perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So Reddit's not a doctor and we're not your

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<v Speaker 1>experts on you your provider, so seek more information. Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do one more question, then we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a break. So this is from Luke, who's fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine years old from New York and this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a guy, so that's good. So mainly we have women

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the podcast because of all the work Karen's done.

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<v Speaker 1>So Luke wants to know do I have brain fog

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<v Speaker 1>or Alzheimer's And he doesn't really give much more detail

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<v Speaker 1>than that. So definitely, we're not your provider. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>your doctor, so seek medical assistance. But I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a really common question. I'm fifty eight. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe fifty nine. I'd have to calculate. I'm not so

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<v Speaker 1>groc I have a Tesla so it comes with free

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<v Speaker 1>groc Ai and I couldn't remember what day of the

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<v Speaker 1>week it was, like, I really had trouble remembering if

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<v Speaker 1>it was Thursday or Friday. I have a housekeeper that

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<v Speaker 1>get the house set up. I really couldn't remember, so

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<v Speaker 1>on the way to work, I actually used the AI

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<v Speaker 1>in the car and asked, do I have early on

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<v Speaker 1>set dementia or Alzheimer's if I can't remember what day

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<v Speaker 1>of the week it was? And it said, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think?

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<v Speaker 2>It said doctor Miller, Well, I mean dementia among our

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<v Speaker 2>age group, early dementia is very rare, very rare.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, so statistically probably not. And then it also said

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<v Speaker 1>that really most likely not, that you're probably stressed, fatigued,

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed with other issues. That true, Alzheimer's is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>dementia is not really forgetting where you park the car,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's totally forgetting that you have a car and

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<v Speaker 1>that you can drive, like way more serious.

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<v Speaker 2>And the issue really comes down to figuring out what

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<v Speaker 2>the root cause is. Right, So root cause of that

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<v Speaker 2>scenario in a fifty year old man would be something

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<v Speaker 2>like anxiety and depression and chronic stress or sleep disorder. Medication, polypharmacy,

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<v Speaker 2>metabolic and indricin causes chronic alcohol substance use and then

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<v Speaker 2>is subjective cognitive declimb. But again the point being that

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to do a root cause and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you're following up with someone to if it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a persistent problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I actually for two weeks about horribly uncontrolled

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<v Speaker 1>migraine headaches because my insurance company wouldn't cover my Ajovi,

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<v Speaker 1>which was working great for a year. That's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>another episode of why this system sucks. But so my

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<v Speaker 1>not being able to remember what day of the week

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<v Speaker 1>it was is probably related to stress activities and work,

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<v Speaker 1>but also my severe migraines for two weeks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so certainly we've got to get that evaluated and

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, we're going to take a break and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come back and we'll answer a couple more questions. Anything,

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<v Speaker 1>last comments before we take a break. No, great question, perfect, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And just those questions, Luke and Tiffany, we really appreciate them. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. I hope you hung with us after the break,

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<v Speaker 1>And so we have a couple more questions from our listeners. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>these are probably actually Karen's listeners, but thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you hang with the podcast as we transition

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<v Speaker 1>and make the transition. And so I mentioned that we

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<v Speaker 1>have people all over the world listening to us, mainly

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<v Speaker 1>from the United States. So this next question is from

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<v Speaker 1>Violet from Dallas, and Violet didn't say how old she

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<v Speaker 1>is or what the exact situation she is, but she

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<v Speaker 1>said my dog is fat, that she have menopause, And

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<v Speaker 1>we tend to answerpomorphize that means we put human characteristics

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<v Speaker 1>on dogs. And so this is kind of thinking, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting older and maybe having some menopause symptoms. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how old Violet is or her situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not her provider, and you know, kind of transposing

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<v Speaker 1>this onto the dog who's also gaining weight. And it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out dogs don't have menopause. So the way they

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<v Speaker 1>go through cycles and the way they're ovaries and uterus

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<v Speaker 1>work is that they never really extinguish all of the

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<v Speaker 1>population of eggs and hormones and have the depletion of

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<v Speaker 1>the ovaries and hormones, which then caused the feedback loops

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<v Speaker 1>of the pituitary to go crazy. So the weight gain

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<v Speaker 1>in dogs. Unfortunately in America, we tend to have really

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<v Speaker 2>But so I'm curious like that, how do we know

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<v Speaker 1>So we actually and dogs can do really things that

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<v Speaker 1>So we can also do hormone levels and actually do

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs have estrogen, yes, so they do cycle and they

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<v Speaker 1>because the ovaries have kind of burned out, and dogs

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<v Speaker 1>menopause is not really the lack of reproduction. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>And those sex hormones among older dogs start to drop

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so in humans, as we age, our hormones

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<v Speaker 1>hormones drop, so melatonin and thyroid and everything, and that

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely does happen in dogs. Dogs only live nowadays about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years, but absolutely there's an age related decline, and

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<v Speaker 1>have a geriatric hormone imbalance that seems to respond to melatonin.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a geriatric hymns is what we've been calling it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's still not a menopause situation. So for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>a geriatric hymns melotonin responsive hormone imbalance, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it seems like we don't really know. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we absolutely do. Flashes and all of those

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<v Speaker 2>symptoms you can't really assess in a dog, right, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, I mean they can't tell us if they're having

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<v Speaker 1>a hot flash, but they're not panting and things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>except our older dog, which that's another story. But we

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<v Speaker 1>actually do know for sure. So if you call menopause

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<v Speaker 1>like the symptoms of menopause, they can't really tell us that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if we look at the hormone levels and what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening with the ovaries, the uterus, and the pituitary, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that what's happening in human primates and whales is

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<v Speaker 1>very very different than what's happening in dogs, cats, horses, cows,

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<v Speaker 1>so very very different. So the overweight from Violet who

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<v Speaker 1>asked the question, going back to the original is from

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<v Speaker 1>calories in calories out, American lifestyle, not menopause.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that was a violent just maybe should cut

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, calories in calories out, so you know, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be good to get up and move for both Violet

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<v Speaker 1>and puppy dog. That's always good. So that would be excellent. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you want to do one more question or take

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<v Speaker 2>Who can do another question?

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<v Speaker 1>I take that. The next question is from Amy who

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<v Speaker 1>is in Alaska. So thanks for listening to us, Amy

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<v Speaker 1>and Alaska, and she's fifty nine years sorry, fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>years old. And this is pretty typical maybe for the

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian and Alaska listeners, but Amy's question is is drinking

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as people say or is this just another

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<v Speaker 1>health panic? And I think this actually goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>Tiffany's question, which is interesting that Tiffany is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that's on GLP one and HRT and is taking Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>seriously and very worried about what Reddit says, doctor Reddit,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amy is the opposite, wanting to ignore the information

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<v Speaker 1>from people. We don't really know who the people is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it sounds like Amy wants to keep drinking. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the question is is alcohol how much alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>is good and bad? My belief I drink. I do

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<v Speaker 1>love wine oftentimes this we have a podcast. Sometimes we

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<v Speaker 1>have a glass of wine. But it is a neurotoxin

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And the current recommendations is actually moved toward greater caution.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the only entirely risk free behavior is

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<v Speaker 2>no alcohol at all. Now, the reality of it is

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<v Speaker 2>that the dietary guidelines for Americans from they did an

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<v Speaker 2>evaluation from twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, and for

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<v Speaker 2>men it's less than are equal to two drinks per day,

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<v Speaker 2>and for women it was less than one drink per

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<v Speaker 2>day and one drink equal a twelve ounce beer, five

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<v Speaker 2>ounces of wine, or one and a half ounces of

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<v Speaker 2>some distilled liquor. And the reason that there are differences

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<v Speaker 2>among sexes is because there was a trending toward cancer

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<v Speaker 2>among women who went beyond one alcoholic beverage day. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to point out that, you know, the US

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<v Speaker 2>Surgeon General Advisory says, this is a toxic substance that

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking into your body.

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<v Speaker 1>So two added little comments here. So one is five

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<v Speaker 1>ounces of wine is not very much. When we go

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<v Speaker 1>to restaurants, they all ask us if we want to

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<v Speaker 1>see sounds for nine ounce poor so they don't even

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<v Speaker 1>offer a five ounce por So the amount of alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>that's considered safe is really small compared to what most

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<v Speaker 1>of us drink. The other kind of funny thing I

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<v Speaker 1>think about this, we have various acquaintances, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're taking vitamin supplements or going to the METI

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<v Speaker 1>spot to get IV treatments so that you can drink

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<v Speaker 1>more wine and more alcohol, you know, you're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>taking a toxin and then you know, over amping the

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<v Speaker 1>recovery phase on the back end, and that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an illogical process. So if you really want to be

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<v Speaker 1>as healthy as possible, don't drink alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, major healthcare organizations have shifted their opinions, and those

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<v Speaker 2>opinions have shifted more recently. The American Heart Association basically

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<v Speaker 2>says avoid alcohol entirely, and the American Cancer Society says

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<v Speaker 2>it's best not to drink alcohol. The World Health Organization

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<v Speaker 2>says there's no level of alcohol consumption that's safe for

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<v Speaker 2>your health, and of course, the American Diabetes Associated advises

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<v Speaker 2>against drinking it, the point being that it is a toxin,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you are going to drink alcohol, you should

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<v Speaker 2>do it in moderation and certainly take into consideration the

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<v Speaker 2>current findings from our recommendations from the dietary guidelines.

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<v Speaker 1>So I used to lecture for a living traveling all

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<v Speaker 1>over the country and internationally, and one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>I would point out is with various medications for allergies

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<v Speaker 1>and dogs have a lot of side effects. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'd ask the audience, well, you know, this is like

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<v Speaker 1>asking your provider how many cigarettes is safe? So what's

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<v Speaker 1>the different way? How many cigarettes is safe? Doctor Miller? Zero? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So how many drinks are safe?

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<v Speaker 2>The shift is now towards zero. Now it's interesting for our.

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<v Speaker 1>So we like wine and we like to drink, is

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<v Speaker 1>why we are so hesitant to give up. But the

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<v Speaker 1>answer the question is zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's also interesting for our Canadian listeners, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think they'll find this interesting. Is at in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>Canada their guidelines went to a continuum of risk approach

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<v Speaker 2>rather than a single threshold approach, so they consider the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian entities consider low risk less than two standard drinks

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<v Speaker 2>per week week, moderate risk was three to six drinks

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<v Speaker 2>per week, and increased high risk was greater than are

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<v Speaker 2>equal to seven drinks per week. So kind of differing

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<v Speaker 2>opinions around the world on this topic, but culturally.

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<v Speaker 1>The ultimately how many cigarettes are saved zero? How many

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<v Speaker 1>drinks of alcohol are safe? Zero?

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<v Speaker 2>Alcohol is a Grade one carcinogen.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, So okay, we're going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>go a little bit faster and try to get as

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<v Speaker 1>many questions in as we can. Thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and Violet for sitting us questions and Alaska from Amy,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's just kind of part of Canada. So

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<v Speaker 1>there you go saying okay, listen stay tuned, come back,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be right back. All right, we're right back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a few more questions and a

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit faster. So this next question is from

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<v Speaker 1>Brenda from Baltimore, who's actually says she's turning sixty this week,

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<v Speaker 1>so bretty birthday, Happy birthday, Brenda. So Brenda wants to

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<v Speaker 1>know can I get addicted to my GLP ones?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's been no evidence at this point to show

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<v Speaker 2>that GLP one is having any addictive property at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So that I think going taking a step back is

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<v Speaker 1>what's the definition of addiction. So if you stop taking

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<v Speaker 1>the GLP ones, will you have withdrawal and get sick

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<v Speaker 1>like a heroin addict? No? Probably not, most likely not

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<v Speaker 1>based on everything we know.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have not modified your diet your exercise regimen,

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<v Speaker 2>then clearly once the GLP one A washes out, then

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<v Speaker 2>certainly dositiety and diet and exercise returning to get and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to continue to moderate that.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you lost weight with the GLP one and

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<v Speaker 1>you stop it, you will gain weight unless you've changed

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<v Speaker 1>your lifestyle with exercise, food and all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that addiction? You know, again, the definition of

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<v Speaker 1>addiction can be flexible. The other definition of addiction it

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<v Speaker 1>relates to abuse. And what is this o zimpic face

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been seeing on social media and TikTok A's

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<v Speaker 1>any of the GLP ones. I'm not just picking on ozimbic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I think there are some patients who

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<v Speaker 2>are pursuing utilization of GLP one a's who clearly need

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<v Speaker 2>to pull back on therapy healthy therapy, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is kind of the pfinition of abuse. Is that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're damaging your body by using a drug or product,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's also a flexible version of addiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and they are FDA regulated drugs with FDA indications,

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<v Speaker 2>and so if you are on them, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>be routinely seeing your a provider to evaluate the dose

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<v Speaker 2>response and where you are health wise, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>are you below and optimal weight and now looking malnourished.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I think that all has to be tethered

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<v Speaker 2>with the having accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would divide this question into three answers. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, are you addicted that's the question. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that if you stop the drug, will you likely

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<v Speaker 1>gain weight? Yes, you are. You probably going to require

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<v Speaker 1>the drug to maintain the low level or weight loss

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<v Speaker 1>that you've had. So yes, you stop the drug, the symptom,

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<v Speaker 1>the weight gain will come back. So that's one definition.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you will you suffer symptoms of withdraw and have

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<v Speaker 1>physical discomfort or pain like a heroin addict from the

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<v Speaker 1>stopping the GLP one? No? And then psychologically, are you

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<v Speaker 1>using the drug for sort of abnormal physical appearance or

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<v Speaker 1>body morphism or problems that you're having that you're dependent

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<v Speaker 1>on the GLP one psychologically, but it's not a true

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<v Speaker 1>chemical dependence, and that definitely can be So, you know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are taking glp ones that don't

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<v Speaker 1>really meet the FDA guidelines and they're taking it for

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<v Speaker 1>cosmetic reasons and that can easily go too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then you also have to take into account

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<v Speaker 2>that people are food addicted, and so the class is

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<v Speaker 2>that it tends to have some impact on addictive substances

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<v Speaker 2>and for example, decreases an alcohol intake. And from that so,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's important to weigh that in

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. If someone has an underlying eating disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>So will that addiction come back? That and it could

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<v Speaker 1>be shopping addiction, por an addiction, whatever kind of addiction

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<v Speaker 1>definitely seems to go away with the GLP ones or

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<v Speaker 1>at least diminish, and that would come back if you

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<v Speaker 1>stop the GLP one.

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<v Speaker 2>But seeking proper care to address the eating addiction I

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<v Speaker 2>think is more important, So that focus on.

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<v Speaker 1>So the answer is how you define addiction. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take a quick break and then answer

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<v Speaker 1>another question and hang tight. Will be here on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side. All right, we're back. We're actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>do two questions real fast here and then say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next question is from Jason and they and

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<v Speaker 1>say where or how old? But they wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>why does every woman I know have autoimmune disease? And

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's why they didn't tell us where they're from.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems a little snarky. I don't think every woman

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<v Speaker 1>has autoimmune disease unless he's working in a loopus room

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<v Speaker 1>and toward arthrotists practice or something. So we're actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to do an episode. The next episode is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on autoimmune diseases like lupus, pemphigus and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the risk rates and statistics in women and men,

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<v Speaker 1>in older, younger, middle aged people. So listen for the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode and we'll answer that question. So then our

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<v Speaker 1>final question comes from Becky from Canada. So you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Canada before, so thank you very much Canadians. Becky is

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five year old woman and she says, or wants

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<v Speaker 1>to know that I've been taking probiotics every day for

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<v Speaker 1>two years and I have no idea if it's helping.

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<v Speaker 1>How do I know if they're working? And this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually one of my favorite pet peeves is that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole gut neuro skin axis, the gut immune system axis

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely a known thing. We have hundreds of species

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<v Speaker 1>of bacteria in our gut, over a trillion organisms, and

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<v Speaker 1>the probiotics that we have are very few probiotics, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're based on really limited understanding of how we influence

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<v Speaker 1>the gut bacteria. So we know that there's a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that there's a link between inflammation, neurology, skin

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<v Speaker 1>allergies even but we really don't know how to fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're at the infancy of really understanding how to

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<v Speaker 1>modulate the gut bacteria and then how that affects the

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<v Speaker 1>disease and symptoms that we're having. In dogs, we actually

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<v Speaker 1>have a few more studies than they do in people. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we can do kind of weird dog research that they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't do in people. So, for instance, we have organisms

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<v Speaker 1>that we know improve dental tartar. We have organisms that

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<v Speaker 1>we know improve infections and allergies of the skin and ears.

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<v Speaker 1>We know, so we have very select bacteria, species specific

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria that affects certain diseases and symptoms in the body.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And then also for our audience, I mean veterinary medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>their studies are very very small ye, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>confidence intervals are a little wider on that data set. However,

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<v Speaker 2>it is important to remember that probiotic supplementation is not

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<v Speaker 2>recommended just for generalized daily use in the US. It's

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<v Speaker 2>strained specific, and it is indication specific, and we just

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<v Speaker 2>really don't understand a whole lot but sort of indications.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're looking at things like, you know, antibiotic

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<v Speaker 2>associated diarrhea or C deficile you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so after you disinfect your GI tract then repopulating

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<v Speaker 1>it with bacteria, it's not a bad idea. So one

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<v Speaker 1>of the other questions I'm sure you do this as well,

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<v Speaker 1>is when I have patients in the room and they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've given this or supplement or whatever it is, and

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<v Speaker 1>they say, what do you think about that? And I

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<v Speaker 1>asked them, well, do you think it helped? And if

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<v Speaker 1>you can't tell it helped, I say, we'll try stopping

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<v Speaker 1>it and see what happens. And if you can't really

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<v Speaker 1>tell a difference between taking it and not taking it,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, probably it's not doing anything obviously good.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news with probiotics is that they don't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be harmful. We don't have a lot of side

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<v Speaker 1>effects that we know of, so you're not doing any

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<v Speaker 1>damage as far as we know. But are you really

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<v Speaker 1>having benefit? Maybe maybe not, So you can try stopping them. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not your provider. Check with your provider, but you

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<v Speaker 1>may be wasting your time and money, or you may stop.

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<v Speaker 1>They will take a few weeks to really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>kick in, and also the benefits to kind of clear out.

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<v Speaker 2>There actually are two conditions where the American Gaess Rentrology

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<v Speaker 2>Association Association recommends against using probiotics, and that's with Crohn's

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<v Speaker 2>disease and all sort of colidis. So it gets complex

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<v Speaker 2>when you start getting in the weeds on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that because of the absorption that your barrier is

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<v Speaker 1>broken down, you can absorb the bacteria more directly than

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<v Speaker 1>get septic made.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are multiple reasons to take probiotics. Certainly follow

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<v Speaker 2>someone that you're seeing. That's a healthcare person's advice, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's some impact with cardiovascular risk factors and

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<v Speaker 2>gut microbiotom modulation and immune factors and vational health and

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<v Speaker 2>mental health and autoimmune disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Potential benefits really amazing. My prediction is that in five

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<v Speaker 1>to ten years, we're going to know that if you

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<v Speaker 1>have this disease, these symptoms, you take this bacteria the species,

535
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<v Speaker 1>and you'll know the dose and the duration, and that

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be very specific. Basically a biological treatment for a

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<v Speaker 1>disease and a symptom set. We are nowhere near that yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I would I would tell that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not sure, tries stopping them and see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But as always, talk to your provider. Okay, any last

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<v Speaker 1>words were We ran out of time for our Legit

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<v Speaker 1>and Bullshit section. So any wrap up comments, Doctor Miller.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would just say, don't just go out and

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<v Speaker 2>start popping pills randomly off the countertop because TikTok or

545
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<v Speaker 2>whoever talked or TikTok. I just think we are over supplemented.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had patients in the past who are on

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<v Speaker 2>five indicated pills, medications that are prescribed, and then in

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<v Speaker 2>addition to those five, they are on ten or fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>supplements for which they haven't brought them into the office

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<v Speaker 2>and had those adjudicated. So just use caution.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean a lot of these supplements we don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lack of information does not mean that we

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<v Speaker 1>have good information or bad information. It's just no information.

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<v Speaker 1>So do they help? Maybe? Do they hurt? Maybe? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they interact with other medications you're taking?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe interesting, it's a lot of money to spend either

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<v Speaker 2>to poop it down or pee it down the drain.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's a lot of audiomens. If you take

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<v Speaker 1>too much that you just kind of pee or poop

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<v Speaker 1>them out is where that comment comes, you know. But ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't tell a difference, then I would definitely

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<v Speaker 1>be suspicious. That would be my trigger. Any last words

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so thank you for listening. Sorry we ran

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<v Speaker 1>out of time for legitter bullshit. If you really liked

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<v Speaker 1>that episode or that segment, let us know. Send us

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<v Speaker 1>an email at ask at itch not dot com. As always,

567
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<v Speaker 1>stay safe, stay well, and get up and move Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>bye bye guys,
