WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.559 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:08.880 getting information out today that Brian Koberger did, in fact, 3 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:14.759 at least according to sources, follow Kaylee Madison and Zana 4 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:18.839 on Instagram. Now, this is something I've talked about previously 5 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:21.640 and said that I saw with my own eyes at 6 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:24.719 least saw this account that they're talking about right in 7 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:26.960 the aftermath of all of this happening. 8 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:29.199 And like usual, when you. 9 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:33.359 Have a situation like this, Instagram or social media in general, 10 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:38.079 they'll usually purge the profile of the person suspected of 11 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.280 these kinds of crimes whenever it has this kind of notoriety. 12 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:43.280 Forget it. 13 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.000 You're not going to be able to find anything on 14 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:49.000 the internet. Look how quickly they scrubbed the survey off 15 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:52.359 of Reddit. It was there one second. I tried to 16 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:54.880 get into the studio to report about it, and it 17 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.240 was scrubbed by the time I got into the studio, 18 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.799 So good thing. I screenshotted it, and obviously a lot 19 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.439 of other people did as well. But my point is 20 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.319 when you have something like this occur, they're going to 21 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:11.519 purge those accounts very quickly for whatever reason. And now 22 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:15.840 we're getting reports that Coberger did, in fact follow them 23 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:19.760 on Instagram. So let's get into this article from Fox 24 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:24.719 News and let's get caught up headline. Idaho murder suspect 25 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:29.719 Brian Koberger followed three female victims on Instagram before stabbings. 26 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:37.719 Report claims this article was authored by Michael Ruiz. Brian Coohberger, 27 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.359 the twenty eight year old man accused of murder in 28 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.879 the ambush of four University of Idaho's students in November, 29 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:48.280 allegedly followed three of them on Instagram before the attack. 30 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:53.239 A new report claims numerous Instagram accounts using Coberger's name 31 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.400 appeared after his arrest was made public and followed the victims, 32 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.879 but it was not immediately clear whether any of the 33 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.040 accounts belonged to him. He was arrested on December thirtieth, 34 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.479 nearly seven weeks after police alleged he entered a six 35 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:12.719 bedroom home in Moscow, Idaho, and stabbed four college students, 36 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:19.800 Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. And 37 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.439 anytime you have a situation with a lot of attention 38 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.879 in the media, you're gonna have people out there, trolls 39 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:30.800 and weirdos who are gonna make profiles based on the 40 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.560 person who is alleged to commit the crimes or murders. 41 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.400 I can't tell you how many Jeffrey Epstein profiles. Your 42 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:42.000 boy stumbled upon at least one account in his name 43 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.080 that was observed by Fox News Digital following Gonsalves, Mogan 44 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.439 and Kernodle appears to be no longer active. The other 45 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.280 three were all still online when we checked Thursday afternoon, 46 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.360 and that's exactly what happens. They purged those accounts, meaning 47 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.520 the social media companies in conjunction with law enforcement or 48 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.120 whatever the hell's going on behind the scenes. I really 49 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.599 don't know, but anytime there is any sort of situation 50 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.719 of notoriety, they end up purging those profiles real quick. 51 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.439 So it's always a race as somebody who talks about 52 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.360 the news compiles the news to try and get to 53 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.759 those things before they're purged from the Internet for good. 54 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.280 And a lot of times people are pretty cagey and 55 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.280 they get there quickly. You get screenshots and all of that, 56 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.680 but unfortunately a lot of it goes away very very fast, 57 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:36.039 and if people aren't quick on picking up on who 58 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.319 the suspect is and what their social media accounts are. 59 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.000 They'll be gone before any of us ever get a 60 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.759 look at them. But when this all first started, this 61 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.520 was a point of research, basically for a lot of 62 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:51.719 people going through the social media accounts and trying to 63 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:56.479 make those ties. A message at the profile url for 64 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:01.039 at krim dot Coberger Thursday Red, the link you followed 65 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:05.240 may be broken or the page may have been removed meta. 66 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:10.520 Instagram's parent company frequently takes down accounts linked to murder suspects. 67 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:16.199 All three female victims had public Instagram accounts, Chapins was private. 68 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:21.399 None of them followed Coburger. People reported on Thursday. Yeah, 69 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.959 I don't see why they would look. And I'm not 70 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.519 out here saying, oh, Brian Colberger is some kind of 71 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.120 creeper weirdo. I don't know the guy, right, but I'm 72 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.079 talking about just in general, a twenty eight year old 73 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:36.519 teaching assistant in the criminology department at Washington State University 74 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.279 probably isn't hanging out in the social circle with people 75 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.519 who were fueled up by white Clause and country music 76 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.800 doesn't seem to go hand in hand to me. Now, 77 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.439 does that mean Coburger never went to a party over 78 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.279 at their house. Well, of course not. We know that 79 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.000 there was a lot of people in and out of 80 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.639 that house. We know that it was a relatively transient 81 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.600 situation over there, so sure he might been over there 82 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.240 or something like that, but as far as being friendly 83 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.920 with them and you know, being invited over for a 84 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.720 white claw knight, I highly doubt that was ever going 85 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:13.680 to occur. So the only thing logical would be a 86 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.160 he saw them at the restaurant or where they worked, 87 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.600 figured out what their names was, and then well follow 88 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.720 them on social media and from there the sky was 89 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.879 the limit. If you look at their social media accounts, 90 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.879 they're not private on there, right, what young kids are? 91 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.720 The whole point of having those social media accounts is 92 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.480 so that you can show the world a great time 93 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.600 you're having. But when you do that, you also open 94 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.279 yourself up to some weird shit and some weird people. 95 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.399 And I can't even imagine what really good looking young 96 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.680 girls go through. It can only it must be a 97 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:49.920 nightmare for some of these girls with some of the 98 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:52.839 weirdos out there. So I can't even imagine the messages 99 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.439 that you get sent. So the whole Brian Kohberger knew 100 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.120 them socially, that whole entire theory never really track with me, 101 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.560 never at all, not from the beginning, not in the middle, 102 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.360 and not now. It had to be some kind of 103 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:09.839 random encounter where he saw them and took a liking 104 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.680 to one or all of them, and then it progressed 105 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:17.639 into what it became. The report did not name the account, 106 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.439 but said the outlet had reviewed it before it became inactive. 107 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.600 The outlet reported earlier this week that Coburger messaged at 108 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:29.639 least one victim numerous times but never received a response, 109 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:34.560 also citing an unnamed source. So again, remember unnamed sources here. 110 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.399 Nobody has put their name behind this. Obviously with the 111 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:40.199 gag order, you can't expect people to do that. But 112 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.519 there's going to be people out there that are not 113 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.040 going to trust these unnamed sources. And I get that 114 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.160 a lot of that is the media's own fault for 115 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:51.480 a lot of the shenanigans they like to pull. So 116 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:55.759 I understand completely why people are very hesitant to believe 117 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:01.079 unnamed sources. But me personally, looking at all of it 118 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.879 and looking at how this evidence hasn't unfolded and what 119 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:09.800 the likeliest outcomes are, this all tracks and in most circumstances. 120 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.120 I am a huge believer in Okham's razor, because I've 121 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.439 certainly learned that the best idea is to make as 122 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:21.920 few assumptions as possible, because the most likeliest outcome is 123 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.480 usually the right one. He's slid into one of the 124 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.199 girls dms several times, but she didn't respond. An unnamed 125 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:33.319 investigator told the outlet, basically it was just him saying, hey, 126 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.160 how are you? But he did it again and again. 127 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.800 Coberger reportedly sent the first message in late October, then 128 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.399 a series of follow ups when he did not receive 129 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:47.360 a response. According to people, so this dude is out 130 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.680 here shooting off these direct messages trying to get their attention, 131 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:56.120 doesn't get their attention, at least according to this theory 132 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.000 that we're working on here, right, because again we don't 133 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.279 know it's one hundred percent true, But according to this theory, 134 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:06.199 he sends them that first message, they don't respond, meaning 135 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:08.800 whichever one he sent it to, and then he keeps 136 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.439 sending them. Then you have a couple of months later, 137 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.759 a couple of weeks later, I mean, and they end 138 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.759 up dead. Certainly not looking good for Coburger. Fox News 139 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:23.240 Digital was unable to confirm the reporting independently. Leta County, 140 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.839 Idaho Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall issued a gag order on 141 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.120 the case earlier this month, restricting comment from investigators and 142 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.200 attorneys from both sides. Shannon Gray, the attorney for the 143 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.639 Gonsalvas parents, said no one knew about Coburger before the slayings, 144 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.919 but he left open the possibility any information any of 145 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.720 the families gather regarding connections to any of the victims 146 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:51.039 will be turned over to the Moscow Police Department, he 147 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.840 told Fox News Digital. Police allege that Coburger snuck into 148 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:58.639 the six bedroom rental house on King Road in Moscow 149 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.639 on No. Three teenth and kill the four students, at 150 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:05.120 least some of whom who are believed who have been 151 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:08.039 asleep at the start of the ambush, and we know 152 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.639 now that all of them were in a sleep. We 153 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.840 won't rehash all of that, but it's gruesome to think 154 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:17.960 about what the final moments of Xana and Ethan must 155 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.360 have been like, for sure, especially if Xana was awake 156 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.200 getting her food, you know, sitting around on TikTok or whatever, 157 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:29.159 eating some Jack in the box, and this disgusting piece 158 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.360 of shit skulks around into your home and murders you 159 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:38.000 like that. It is just almost too much to even comprehend, Like, 160 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:40.720 how does that even happen? How can somebody be so 161 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.759 evil that they come up with this whole plan, this 162 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.919 whole plot, and premeditated. It's not like, you know, you 163 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.720 got angry and you know you were being picked on 164 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.759 at a party and you went batshit insane. Well that's 165 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:56.759 no excuse. At least, there's no reason. There ain't no 166 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:03.159 reason here besides you being a degenerate fuck. The three 167 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:06.039 female victims lived together in a rental house on King 168 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.279 RhoD in Moscow, just steps off the University of Idaho 169 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:14.480 campus Chapin Kernodle's boyfriend was staying over that night. According 170 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.919 to police, Coburger left behind a k bar knife sheath 171 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.600 with DNA on the snap. Investigators recovered it in Mogan's bed, 172 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.000 next to her body. And when you start looking at 173 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.720 everything that we know so far, it really is starting 174 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.440 to look like Madison was the target. You got the 175 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:34.919 sheath next to her in the bed, the connection at 176 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:39.080 the mad Greek where she worked, followed on Instagram, So 177 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.879 I thought it was Kaylee at first, to be honest 178 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.639 with you. But with all of these other connections and 179 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.200 learning about the mad Greek and the source saying and 180 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.720 the investigator saying that he was actually there, it makes 181 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.440 a lot of sense that it was in fact Madison 182 00:10:54.679 --> 00:11:00.159 who was the main target. Coburger lived in an apartment 183 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.320 in Pullman, Washington, where he was studying for a PhD 184 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:08.159 in the Washington State University Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology. 185 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:11.519 The campus is across the state line, but only about 186 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.440 ten miles from the University of Idaho. Coburger had allegedly 187 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.360 been stalking the King Rode home for weeks, according to 188 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.679 the probable cause affid David and all of that lines 189 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:27.120 up the messages on Instagram stalking the house. Things are escalating, 190 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.919 and that's how it works with these people. They escalate 191 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.919 from their fantasies into actions. Coburger is due back in 192 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.039 court in late June for a preliminary hearing where his 193 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.440 defense team intends to challenge the probable cause laid out 194 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:47.679 against them good luck. However, as Fox News Digital has reported, 195 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.960 prosecutors could sidestep his stall tactic if they secure a 196 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:56.200 grand jury indictment. Before that, Coburger could face the death 197 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.080 penalty if convicted and with a grand jury. Remember, they 198 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.039 can go this sealed indictment route and we wouldn't even know. 199 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.399 They could keep that indictment sealed until they're ready to 200 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.879 unveil it and then drop that like a bomb on 201 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.080 Brian Coberger. So it's certainly something to keep in mind. 202 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.159 Do I think they're going to go that route. I'm 203 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:17.279 not too sure, but certainly something that they can use, 204 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.840 and certainly something that they do use in cases such 205 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.120 as this. All right, folks, Well there it is a 206 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.960 little bit of confirmation, at least according to the source 207 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:32.720 from People Magazine about Brian Coberger following Madison, Zana and 208 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:38.320 Kaylee on Instagram. If you'd like to contact me, you 209 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:42.000 can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. 210 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:47.399 That's bo bb Y c apu Cci at proton mail 211 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.240 dot com. You can also find me on Twitter at 212 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:55.919 bo bby underscore c ap use Cci. The link that 213 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:01.360 I discussed can be found in the description box What's 214 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:06.919 up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Sources are 215 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:12.559 reporting to People Magazine that there has been confirmation that 216 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:17.360 Brian Coberger was trying to contact one of the roommates 217 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:23.039 via Instagram. Now, for me, that certainly tracks considering we've 218 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.399 talked about how Brian Coberger was following Maddie and kay 219 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:32.960 Lee on Instagram according to those early Brian Koberger social 220 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:37.000 media accounts before it became you know, a story that 221 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:40.879 blew up, the account that was registered to Brian Coberger 222 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:45.320 certainly showed that it was following Kaylee and Madison. So 223 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:49.279 getting this information from a source really doesn't sound like 224 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.000 it's that far fetch, to be honest with you. Now, 225 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.080 of course, keep in mind that this information is from 226 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:59.399 an unnamed source, but a lot of times what you'll 227 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.200 see is people who have worked close to the case 228 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:05.240 who might not be working on it anymore. Well, they 229 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.759 might have a few things to say as far as 230 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:12.320 being an anonymous source for the media, and we've seen 231 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.120 that in several different cases. We've seen it down in 232 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.360 Delphi as well. It was a source who told us 233 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.039 about Keegan Klein, about the search of the Wilbash River, 234 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.840 and about some of the other stuff that was going 235 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:29.000 on behind the scenes. So I would definitely expect some 236 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.080 leaks in this case as well. Now, are they going 237 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:36.399 to come fast and furious? I doubt it, but according 238 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:41.240 to this source, Brian Coohberger sent a DM or multiple 239 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.960 dms to at least one of these roommates leading up 240 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:48.799 to the days that they were murdered. So let's dive 241 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:52.720 into this article from Daily Mail and let's see exactly 242 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:58.399 what's going on headline. Idaho murder suspect Brian Cohberger is 243 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.240 accused of messaging female victim on Instagram weeks before killings 244 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.639 and pestered her with more dms when he didn't get 245 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:14.879 her reply. This article was authored by Hope Sloop. Idaho 246 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.840 murder suspect Brian Coberger allegedly messaged one of the female 247 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:23.080 victims weeks before the quadruples slaying and sent more direct 248 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:28.679 messages after she ignored him speaking with people. One police 249 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.960 source said Coburger twenty eight reached out to one of 250 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.240 the four University of Idaho's students slain over Instagram repeatedly 251 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:40.320 in an attempt to get her attention. And now again, folks, look, 252 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.960 this is coming from an anonymous source, so it's not 253 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:50.919 like it is concrete evidence this definitely happened. But in 254 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.639 my experience, usually when you hear a source like this 255 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.519 or information that's coming from a source that says they're 256 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.399 close to what's going on, chances are you're gonna get 257 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.320 some good information. Now does that mean it's always going 258 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.840 to be spot on? Of course not, But with all 259 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:10.639 of the other stuff that we know, and the fact 260 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.279 that Coburger was following them on Instagram, it would make 261 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.360 sense that he tries to get their attention. Right now, 262 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.919 I guess you can make the counter argument that if 263 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.440 he planned on hurting them, he would never reach out 264 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.159 to them and leave that evidence of contact between the two. 265 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:29.879 But after we saw the crime scene in Moscow and 266 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.679 all of the evidence left there, I guess it wouldn't 267 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.679 be too surprising to see digital footprints of evidence as well. 268 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.360 He slid into one of the girls dms several times, 269 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:44.279 but she didn't respond. The source told people basically it 270 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.039 was just him saying, hey, how are you? But he 271 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.559 did it again and again, and now could that have 272 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.919 enraged him more and led him to carry out whatever 273 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:56.200 fucked up fantasy he was harboring. 274 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:59.799 Who knows, But if this source is to be believed. 275 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.159 Then this is another tie that binds right another one 276 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.359 of those foundational blocks that we were talking about. It 277 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.759 is unknown at this time, which student Coburger sent Instagram 278 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.519 messages to, or who the investigator familiar with the cases 279 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.759 that spoke to the magazine. The source also didn't say 280 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:23.240 whether the woman Coburger allegedly messaged deliberately ignored him, or 281 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:26.759 if the message he sent went into her requested folder 282 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.759 from people she wasn't friends with. Those messages don't appear 283 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.799 as alerts and are harder to see. So I'm sure 284 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.359 most of you are familiar with how that works, right, 285 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.240 Somebody that you're not friends with or whatever on Instagram 286 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:42.119 sends you a message, it goes to that request folder, 287 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:44.960 And most of us, well people like me anyway, who 288 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:46.279 hardly use social. 289 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:47.960 Media, I very rarely checked that. 290 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:50.960 But you would think that somebody who's on social media 291 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:54.640 all the time, like college kids are, that they would 292 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:56.880 check that folder, right, I mean, you would think it 293 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.519 would make sense. So if so and she did check it, 294 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.359 did she leave it on red and just not respond? 295 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:09.720 Very possible. Idaho victim Kelley Gonsalves is said to have 296 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:12.720 complained of a stalker in the run up to the killings, 297 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:16.440 but it's unclear if there's any link between this and 298 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.039 or murder. And you know, We've talked a lot about 299 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.480 Kaylee being the intended target, and I'll tell you, the 300 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.880 more I think about it, the more I have to 301 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.319 say that it's possible that it was Madison and not 302 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:32.359 kay Lee. With Kaylee not living there anymore? Did he 303 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.640 not think that she was gonna be there when he 304 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.440 went there that night? And then again I flip back 305 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.000 and forth and say to myself, well, he was casing 306 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.799 the joint out, wouldn't he have known. So it's one 307 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:46.559 of those cases where it's very, very difficult to really 308 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.880 put your finger on what went down, or what would 309 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.960 motivate something like this to go down, or who even 310 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.400 the intended target was. So with so many unknowns, all 311 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.079 were left with are the few pieces that have been 312 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:04.039 left here on the puzzle board. Coburger, a PhD criminology 313 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:07.720 student at Washington State University, was arrested at his family 314 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:12.640 home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, on December thirtieth. He has 315 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:16.519 maintained his innocence in the stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, 316 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:19.079 Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle. 317 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:20.960 Now. 318 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:24.000 One local law enforcement official close to the case says 319 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.599 the evidence against Coburger is continuing to pile up. 320 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:28.480 No shit. 321 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.119 I mean, did people really think that they didn't have 322 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:34.960 a ton of evidence behind the scenes. 323 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:37.200 Once we saw that probable. 324 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.759 Cause, Avid David, I knew right away that old boy 325 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.839 was up against it. You don't have that kind of 326 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:46.960 strong evidence in and a probable cause, Avid David very often. 327 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:50.240 And when you see that kind of language, the strong language, 328 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:53.160 the evidence that was presented, you know they're working with 329 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.519 something behind the scenes that's going to be devastating for 330 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.400 the accused. And I have no doubt that that is 331 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:06.039 Brian Coberger's future for sure. The Instagram account in question 332 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.119 was viewed by people prior to having been taken down. 333 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:14.200 Colberger allegedly followed Mogan, Gonsalvez and kern Odle. He did 334 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:17.960 not publicly interact with their accounts otherwise, the outlet states. 335 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.240 In alleged messages sent from the now deleted Instagram, Coburger 336 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.039 appeared to be hoping to get the attention of the 337 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:28.200 victim he was targeting. Now, I wasn't sure that he 338 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:32.119 was following Xana. I didn't see that with my own eyes, 339 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.960 but I did see that he was following Kaylee and 340 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.000 he was following Madison for sure. And I've talked about 341 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.920 that previously, and when he was first arrested and we 342 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.400 were talking about it, and I saw that. I knew 343 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.799 that it would be significant down the road. When they 344 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.680 kept building this profile of them and they continued with 345 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:54.359 the foundational blocks, Eventually they'll get to a point where 346 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.640 they're really diving in. And I'm guessing that's what's going 347 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:01.000 on right now as we speak up in Moscow and 348 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:05.480 in these crime labs. The victim, whose identity has not 349 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:09.440 been confirmed, did not respond to the messages for unknown reasons. 350 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:13.240 The official who spoke with people, however, asserted the victim 351 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.279 may have completely missed them. She may not have seen 352 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.400 them because she went into message requests, the source said 353 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.559 of the messages. The dms were allegedly sent in October, 354 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.000 just weeks before the November thirteenth murders, So look make 355 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:31.960 of that what you will. I don't know what Brian 356 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.440 Kolberger was thinking. I don't know if he was offended. 357 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:36.960 I don't know if he was mad that nobody responded 358 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:38.680 to him when he sent these dms? 359 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:39.519 Allegedly? 360 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.079 Could that have been the catalyst that got things going? 361 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:46.599 When a person who an Instagram user does not follow 362 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.079 back attempts to send a message, it goes to a 363 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:53.599 designated folder called message requests. These requests are located in 364 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:57.880 a different place than typical messages. The investigators said they 365 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:00.880 are still trying to determine how aware the victims were 366 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.960 of his existence. Yeah, that's going to be the million 367 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:08.640 dollar question right now for the investigators. And if they 368 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:10.799 can see that he had sent them a bunch of 369 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.720 messages and they read them and they never responded, you 370 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.599 can certainly make the case that maybe this is the 371 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:21.359 stalker that Kaylee was talking about. So that's certainly something 372 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:24.000 we have to keep in mind as well, because if 373 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.359 you look at the dates October, just weeks before the 374 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:31.200 November thirteenth murders, we know that Kaylee was complaining about 375 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:33.880 a stalker for weeks, right at least that's what we 376 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.960 have heard, So it certainly makes sense as far as 377 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:43.200 the timeline goes. It's possible Coburger may have become upset 378 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:45.920 by the lack of response, but that is just a 379 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.319 theory of many presented by those who have been following 380 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:53.440 the case. The investigator who spoke with people said there's 381 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:56.559 no indication of that. However, there's no indication that he 382 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:00.680 was getting frustrated with their lack of response. The source said, well, 383 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.440 just because there's no indication of that doesn't mean he 384 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:08.000 wasn't bubbling under the surface. People like this, they're able 385 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.079 to hide that rage, right. They have two different faces. 386 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.680 The face that they wear out in public when they're 387 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:16.160 standing next to you and your family in line at 388 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:18.799 the movies, and then the face that they wear when 389 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:23.799 they're murdering four people while they're in their bedrooms. Even 390 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:27.359 without the indication of frustration, the source that Coburger was 391 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:31.519 definitely persistent in the messages to the University of Idaho's student, 392 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:34.960 though it has not been confirmed by police. Daily mail 393 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.640 dot Com in December reported that Gonsalves in the weeks 394 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.240 leading up to her death would beg friends to walk 395 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:43.839 closely behind her at all times out of fear of 396 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:47.400 a stalker who would follow her around town. It is 397 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:51.039 still unknown if Gonsalves was the one who Coburger messaged, 398 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:54.720 or if he had stalked her in any capacity. A 399 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.160 motive in the case has yet to be formally shared 400 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:02.119 by Moscow, Idaho police. So again, folks, look I don't 401 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.319