Speaker 1: Now one of your putty. I got a stream going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog?
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the or over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus, Quice,
Speaker 1: you better hello, get the buddy out here. What quin,
Speaker 1: I'm out there. I thought of a bitch about taking
Speaker 1: fort nine. I don't know. Easy an out there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm walking right.
Speaker 3: Hey, folks on, welcome my guest to the show. It
Speaker 3: is Eric Palasio's from the Hairy Man Road YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show man.
Speaker 4: Hey, Brian, I appreciate you having man. Good to be here.
Speaker 3: I have been looking forward to this conversation. I have
Speaker 3: to be honest, probably more than most I have these
Speaker 3: days because of all the craziness that's going on in
Speaker 3: the Bigfoot world. If you're anywhere near Bigfoot, unless you're
Speaker 3: living with your head under a rock or stuck in
Speaker 3: the sand, you know that there's some big controversy brewing
Speaker 3: around the Patterson Gimlin film. We're going to get into
Speaker 3: that tonight because you're the only person I know personally
Speaker 3: who's actually seen this documentary capturing Bigfoot that we're.
Speaker 5: Going to talk about a little bit later.
Speaker 3: But for those that might have missed your first appearance
Speaker 3: on the show, they may not know who you are,
Speaker 3: what you're doing in the Bigfoot wark.
Speaker 5: Let's start there. Let's give everybody a little bit of
Speaker 5: a base for you.
Speaker 3: Who is Eric, what got you interested in this subject,
Speaker 3: and what's been going on in the Bigfoot world for
Speaker 3: you over the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: I'm from North Austin, Texas, born and raised, been here
Speaker 4: pretty much my entire life as far as the Bigfoot
Speaker 4: subject goes. The town I grew up in, Round Rock, Texas.
Speaker 4: There was always this legend of the hairy Man Road
Speaker 4: where it adopted that name from. It's a legend that
Speaker 4: goes back all the way to the eighteen, hundreds of
Speaker 4: settlers traveling through the area and they were allegedly chased
Speaker 4: out by a wild hairyman. We heard this story growing
Speaker 4: up as kids, but I didn't really much stalk into
Speaker 4: it until I got older and I started hearing other stories,
Speaker 4: and I even had an experience myself that kind of
Speaker 4: laid the groundwork for me to produce my own documentary.
Speaker 4: It was called The Beast of Brushy Creek, and that
Speaker 4: was about two years in the making where I just
Speaker 4: dove in headfirst into the local lore, into the people,
Speaker 4: what people were saying in the area, and I was
Speaker 4: actually able to find the real reason that road was
Speaker 4: called harry Man Road. For my research, I found a
Speaker 4: book from the local postmaster who worked in the area,
Speaker 4: and he basically tells the story in his memoir about
Speaker 4: a group of kids in nineteen sixty six. Believe it
Speaker 4: or not, we're hanging out in this area known as
Speaker 4: harry Man Road. It wasn't harry Man Rode at the time.
Speaker 4: A group of them hanging out. One of these kids
Speaker 4: get stranded and then next day he shows up to
Speaker 4: school saying he got chased out of the area by
Speaker 4: a wild hairy man. Ever, since then, it was like
Speaker 4: going around school caught fire. Shortly after that, the road
Speaker 4: was officially named Harryman Road, and ever since then, I mean,
Speaker 4: there's been a long standing of people having sightings, weird encounters,
Speaker 4: all types of if you want to say, quote unquote
Speaker 4: paranormal stuff happening out there. So I did a lot
Speaker 4: of research and that's where my documentary ended up coming out.
Speaker 4: And I also did a follow up mainly more focused
Speaker 4: on the harry Man Road itself was a legend of
Speaker 4: Harryman Road. After I finished doing the documentaries and stuff,
Speaker 4: I wanted to branch out use my background. I have
Speaker 4: a background in journalism. I'd heard a lot of stories
Speaker 4: people grow up with the lore of Bigfoot, and I
Speaker 4: want to know if there was anything more that people
Speaker 4: hadn't discovered or weren't talking about. So I used my background.
Speaker 4: I started doing Freedom of Information Act requests for your request.
Speaker 4: In that pursuit, I actually got some really incredible stuff.
Speaker 4: I've got nine to one one phone calls of people
Speaker 4: calling the sheriff's officers saying, hey, I got Bigfoot on
Speaker 4: my game camera. I've even got photographs of what people
Speaker 4: are claiming to be Bigfoot recently, I actually got the
Speaker 4: entire information the cryptid database of the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries,
Speaker 4: and it has every cryptid piece of information they have
Speaker 4: in there. There's a couple that are really interesting. One
Speaker 4: of the ones that kind of stood out to me
Speaker 4: was that this Louisiana officer was polling all his rangers saying, hey,
Speaker 4: I need to know if you guys have seen any cryptids,
Speaker 4: anything weird. He says, bigfoot, choop ofcabra. I think even
Speaker 4: says the rugaru in there is it's Louisiana. A lot
Speaker 4: of them. I think the majority just said I haven't
Speaker 4: seen anything. I have the email chains there, I haven't
Speaker 4: seen it. Nothing. And then two guys have two separate
Speaker 4: encounters with people that called them personally saying hey, I
Speaker 4: have stuff going on my property. Another guy said, hey,
Speaker 4: I got this thing crossing the road. I wouldn't assist
Speaker 4: in crossing the road or whatever. These are stories that
Speaker 4: you're not going to see on a forum or a
Speaker 4: Facebook group anything like that. These are from law enforcements
Speaker 4: that they were never expecting this stuff to come out,
Speaker 4: so they're speaking freely, and it's interesting when you see
Speaker 4: that and most recently, I did the same thing for
Speaker 4: the Arizona game, and Fish and I have every piece
Speaker 4: of cryptid information they've ever produced. There's a really interesting
Speaker 4: encounter where a couple encounter something with glowing red eyes.
Speaker 4: They call the police, and at the end of the call,
Speaker 4: the dispatcher says it must be bigfoot. Whether or not
Speaker 4: he's serious, it's interesting. They were hysterical apparently, and I'm
Speaker 4: trying to get that phone call. Unfortunately, I'm learning as
Speaker 4: we go along that a lot of these law enforcement
Speaker 4: agencies they only hold the phone calls for they have
Speaker 4: different standards, but a lot of just sixty days to
Speaker 4: ninety days, and then they just completely delete it, which
Speaker 4: is It's sad because you think about all the opportunities
Speaker 4: that have been missed. A lot of times there is
Speaker 4: radio transmissions typed up or whatever. Same thing with the calls,
Speaker 4: you actually get the transcripts, so little by little, I'm
Speaker 4: working to patch together this chain of law enforcement and
Speaker 4: bigfoot evidence.
Speaker 3: If you will, absolutely love it, man, very few people
Speaker 3: dive into the for your request, because you can certainly
Speaker 3: testify to it's not an easy process for most people
Speaker 3: to figure out. It's a lot of hoops to jump
Speaker 3: through a lot of cases. It's very expensive these jurisdictions.
Speaker 3: I know you've run into that. I think we talked
Speaker 3: about that the first time you were on the show.
Speaker 3: They're charging in some cases tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 3: to get this information. It's a huge roadblock for people
Speaker 3: that are trying to get that. So I am so
Speaker 3: glad that you're out there fighting the good fight and
Speaker 3: doing that. But that's not what we're here for, folks.
Speaker 3: We are here to talk about the Sacred Cow, the
Speaker 3: Patterson Gimlin film, this new documentary capturing Bigfoot that has
Speaker 3: literally captured everybody in the Bigfoot community's attention over these
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. It started swirling around the drain
Speaker 3: for me probably two and a half weeks or so.
Speaker 3: I started seeing some rumblings online. Let me ask you this, Eric,
Speaker 3: when did it first become something that was on your radar?
Speaker 3: How did you find out about the documentary and how
Speaker 3: did you ultimately end up at this screening that you went.
Speaker 5: To in Austin to see this film.
Speaker 4: It was a spur of the moment type of thing.
Speaker 4: I'm a bigfoot researcher, investigator. If you will. It popped
Speaker 4: up on my radar. It'd seen an article basically saying
Speaker 4: that this new documentary was premiering it south By Southwest.
Speaker 4: It supposedly has this new footage and I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: that's really interesting and didn't get a lot of buzz.
Speaker 4: I think there was only one article I could find
Speaker 4: about that. So I'd actually heard about that maybe five
Speaker 4: or six days before the actual screening was to take place,
Speaker 4: and I was like, man, I got to be there.
Speaker 4: I got to be there. Unfortunately, south By Southwest is
Speaker 4: crazy expensive, and you're talking about platinum badges going for
Speaker 4: three thousand dollars. A film and TV badge is going
Speaker 4: for fifteen hundred dollars, and so I wasn't about to
Speaker 4: pay that much. But luckily worked in public broadcasting for
Speaker 4: ten plus years. We've got a little group within our
Speaker 4: own collective that we're able to message each other and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and luckily I was able to find
Speaker 4: someone that wasn't going to be able to use their badge,
Speaker 4: so offered them some money for it. Got the badge.
Speaker 4: I was ready. I was set. But just getting the badge,
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean you're going to get into the screening
Speaker 4: because it's a limited screening, especially where they had the
Speaker 4: screening at. It was the Alamo Draft House in Austin,
Speaker 4: South Lamore. That's a really tiny venue. You're talking about
Speaker 4: maybe thirty seats in there. It's a really small venue.
Speaker 4: I got the platinum badge and I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: I got to get there early. I waited in line
Speaker 4: for six and a half hours to make sure I
Speaker 4: got a seat there. People are passing me by, Hey,
Speaker 4: what are you here to see capturing Bigfoot? What are
Speaker 4: you here to see? They'd named the movie. A lot
Speaker 4: of people even hats out, but I didn't even realize
Speaker 4: that this was a thing. The Bigfoot movie was a thing.
Speaker 4: I think once the screening time started rolling around at nine,
Speaker 4: I was like nine to fifteen or whatever, people started
Speaker 4: showing up and then there was even like a Bigfoot
Speaker 4: guy in a costume walking around, so people were like,
Speaker 4: what's up with the big Foot stuff? A lot of
Speaker 4: people coming up to me and asking me what's going on.
Speaker 4: And I actually did a live stream with Sasquatch Secrets
Speaker 4: on Nicky's channel, which is pretty cool. I was waiting
Speaker 4: in line while that whole thing's going on, just to
Speaker 4: prove I was there, guys, I was there. I had
Speaker 4: the ticket and everything. That was really cool, and sure
Speaker 4: enough I see Clint Patterson walking up. I recognized him
Speaker 4: right away, cowboy hat suit, and I walked right up
Speaker 4: to him and started asking him questions and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: He was really nice and polite. Shortly after that, the
Speaker 4: director Mark Evans was there with his producer. They saw
Speaker 4: what I was doing. They were interested, came up to
Speaker 4: talk to me a little bit. We had a little conversation,
Speaker 4: and it was getting ready to head into the theater.
Speaker 4: They wanted to make sure I had a seat because
Speaker 4: they know I had been there for six hours and
Speaker 4: a lot of times. It was south by Southwest, you'll get
Speaker 4: some of these, I guess, celebrities, Like everybody was saying
Speaker 4: John Stamos was there. I didn't see him, but everybody's oh, Josh,
Speaker 4: stay most there, so it could have filled up, but
Speaker 4: he actually came and pulled me into the theater. They
Speaker 4: had two screens that were showing the film. On the
Speaker 4: first theater I had filled up, so I was like,
Speaker 4: oh crap, that's not good. Luckily, there were like four
Speaker 4: seats left in the other theater, so he made sure
Speaker 4: I got a seat. He says, okay, cool, he says,
Speaker 4: you want to attend the Q and A. I was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to attend the Q and A. He's okay, cool,
Speaker 4: I'll come back and get you. So watched the film.
Speaker 4: It was incredible, and they came back and brought me
Speaker 4: for the Q and A. That's basically the story of
Speaker 4: how I got there. It was really lucky. I was
Speaker 4: just a matter of chance, but I tried it. I
Speaker 4: had to be there. I had to be there if
Speaker 4: it was happening in my hometown, I wasn't going to
Speaker 4: let it slide. So that's made it happen luckily.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I am so glad you did, because when this started
Speaker 3: Circle in the Drain, people were immediately firing off things
Speaker 3: on social media Instagram, TikTok x. I was getting voicemails,
Speaker 3: I was getting text messages, emails.
Speaker 5: What do you think about this?
Speaker 3: What do you think about that They're supposed to be
Speaker 3: this new clip in this film that may or may
Speaker 3: not prove that the Patterson Gimlin film as a hoax?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, guys, I have zero information here. I'm
Speaker 3: just finding this stuff out in real time. I don't
Speaker 3: know anybody who's seen it. I've certainly not seen the
Speaker 3: documentary itself.
Speaker 5: So I waited.
Speaker 3: I sat back and I just watched what was unfolding,
Speaker 3: and I was watching people, frankly, make a fool of themselves.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna really call anybody out here, but there's
Speaker 3: plenty of bigfooters that are very well known that are
Speaker 3: out there painting themselves into a corner, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: and there may be some steaming hot crow or even
Speaker 3: some cold crow that's got to be eaten at some
Speaker 3: point in time on.
Speaker 5: Both sides of the aisle here.
Speaker 3: But I was just gonna stay quiet because I had
Speaker 3: nothing to say. Who wants my opinion anyway, So I
Speaker 3: sat back and waited, and I was so glad to
Speaker 3: see that you took the time to do a reaction video,
Speaker 3: And as soon as that popped up on my YouTube feed,
Speaker 3: I was like, I've got to watch what Eric's got
Speaker 3: to say, because he was there. It's about thirty three
Speaker 3: minutes or so, and I was blown away. First and foremost,
Speaker 3: I have to say just the emotion that I felt
Speaker 3: from you, because you're clearly someone who has a vested
Speaker 3: interest in some ways. In this subject, you are an investigator.
Speaker 3: You are a researcher who cares about the subject, just
Speaker 3: like the rest of us, who I think are in
Speaker 3: this for the right reasons. So the Patterson Gimlin film
Speaker 3: is a touchy subject for a lot of people. I
Speaker 3: think it has become over the years, the sacred cow,
Speaker 3: if you will.
Speaker 5: In the Church of Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: There are people that defend it wholeheartedly, and that's what's
Speaker 3: happening right now.
Speaker 5: And it's one of those things. Oh it's I always
Speaker 5: knew it was a hoax. That just proves it.
Speaker 3: And then on the other side of the aisle you
Speaker 3: have these people screaming that I stand with Bob, Patty's
Speaker 3: real the whole nine yards. And frankly, nobody who's talking
Speaker 3: about it other than you that I know, has actually
Speaker 3: seen the documentary. I was so glad to see that
Speaker 3: you did that video because it gave.
Speaker 5: Me something to go on.
Speaker 3: Because we're not best friends, we don't hang out, but
Speaker 3: I know you. You've been on the show. I followed
Speaker 3: what you do and I respect what you do in
Speaker 3: this community. So when someone that I see as an
Speaker 3: honest person who doesn't have a dog in this proverbial fight,
Speaker 3: who's just simply reacting to what they saw evidence that
Speaker 3: has been presented to them. That was powerful enough for
Speaker 3: me to go on and do a live on my
Speaker 3: social media and talk a little bit about, Hey, this
Speaker 3: is what's going on, this is what Eric has said
Speaker 3: he saw, and this is somebody that I trust. I
Speaker 3: trust your opinion in the community enough to say, if
Speaker 3: Eric is saying that he saw this, I think there may.
Speaker 5: Be a there there.
Speaker 3: So, of course, when I did that, it was not
Speaker 3: ten minutes later my phone was ringing and it was
Speaker 3: Doug Hicheck. Doug high Chick called me and he said, hey,
Speaker 3: I saw your live. Let me give you some information
Speaker 3: about what I know. So Doug and I had about
Speaker 3: a thirty minute conversation and then the phone rang and
Speaker 3: it was somebody else. It was Steve Calls. It was
Speaker 3: this person, it was that person. I've told everybody the
Speaker 3: same thing ever since I watched your reaction video and
Speaker 3: ever since I did the first live, is if what
Speaker 3: you've described seeing in this documentary is accurate, and I
Speaker 3: do believe that it is, it is very troublesome at
Speaker 3: the very least for the authenticity of the Patterson gimun film.
Speaker 3: Because this film has stood for like fifty seven years
Speaker 3: in and it's been studied, it's been torn apart, it's
Speaker 3: been put back together, and so many people have come
Speaker 3: down on so many sides. But by and large, I
Speaker 3: think the majority of the Bigfoot community, and I'm using
Speaker 3: my proverbial air.
Speaker 5: Quotes here, believe that it's real.
Speaker 3: I've always had a problem with the authenticity of the film.
Speaker 3: I've been on the record about that for years, just
Speaker 3: until the last year and a half. Two years, I
Speaker 3: actually did a show where I compared some earlier interviews
Speaker 3: with Bob an interview with I and Rogers six days
Speaker 3: after they allegedly filmed Patty over on the Sasquatch Archives
Speaker 3: with Todd Prescott. I reached out to Todd. He allowed
Speaker 3: me to use that for the show.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 3: I think that last interview with Bob was about twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen ish.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 5: right back. After these messages, I put my cop brain on. Look.
Speaker 3: I'm not a film expert. I can't break down Patty's walk.
Speaker 3: I can't talk about what's in the film, But what
Speaker 3: I can talk about is what Bob has said for
Speaker 3: the last five plus decades. I can look at that
Speaker 3: and how that's changed or if it's changed over the years.
Speaker 3: And there were certainly some inconsistencies there that most people,
Speaker 3: including myself, ultimately chalked up to, Hey, this guy's in
Speaker 3: his late eighties, he's now in his early nineties. Do
Speaker 3: I remember what I had for breakfast this morning? I don't,
Speaker 3: so is it possible? Did he gets some things wrong
Speaker 3: over the course of fifty plus years. I gave the
Speaker 3: man some grace, and I finally, just about a year
Speaker 3: and a half ago, said, you know what I have
Speaker 3: to say, having looked at the totality of this circumstances,
Speaker 3: I feel like Bob's probably telling the truth. So there
Speaker 3: you go into story until something else comes along that
Speaker 3: may prove otherwise. And I think that's part of the
Speaker 3: issue that we're having in this Bigfoot community and just
Speaker 3: frankly at large, but specific to the Bigfoot community, is
Speaker 3: people seem to get into these groups, these camps, and
Speaker 3: nothing can sway them. If they've made up their mind,
Speaker 3: they don't want any more evidence. And that's one of
Speaker 3: the sad things that I've seen people that I've talked
Speaker 3: to and become friends with in the Bigfoot community that
Speaker 3: are out there screaming to the rafters. They're attacking you,
Speaker 3: They're attacking Mark Evans, they're attacking anybody who's even remotely
Speaker 3: in the orbit of this film, just because it's challenging
Speaker 3: what they've convinced themselves to be real without looking at
Speaker 3: the evidence.
Speaker 5: And that is a problem for me. That's a huge
Speaker 5: red flag.
Speaker 3: There's people out there calling for boycotts of the documentary.
Speaker 3: It's a whole They've made this up. Clint Patterson's just
Speaker 3: looking for a payday, and that is really sad to
Speaker 3: me because it just says to me that you're not
Speaker 3: really seeking the truth, You're only seeking confirmation of what
Speaker 3: you already believe. And to me, that's problematic because I
Speaker 3: don't care if Patty's real or not. I know the
Speaker 3: experiences I've had. I know the experiences thousands of people
Speaker 3: now at this point that I've interviewed have shared with me.
Speaker 3: I know those to be true. I've stood ten feet
Speaker 3: away from one of these creatures.
Speaker 5: I know they're real.
Speaker 3: And I've said that since day one. Patty can be
Speaker 3: fake and Bigfoot can still be real those two things
Speaker 3: can exist at the same time, they can be mutually exclusive.
Speaker 3: I said all that to say, you get into the documentary,
Speaker 3: you're watching it. Obviously, you can see the players. You
Speaker 3: can pull it up on IMDb right now. You can
Speaker 3: see the names that are in this documentary. You've got
Speaker 3: the late doctor Jeff Meldrum, Bob Eronymous, Bill Lunn, Greg Long, Patterson,
Speaker 3: Clint Patterson, You've got all the players in this story.
Speaker 3: To me, it's about the totality of the circumstances. I
Speaker 3: guess a good place to start would be, let's talk
Speaker 3: about the role that Clint Patterson and Patricia Patterson play
Speaker 3: in this documentary, because I think that's very powerful to me.
Speaker 5: When you have.
Speaker 3: Someone that close to someone who then comes out and says, hey,
Speaker 3: that's not entirely accurate, or that's not true, or this
Speaker 3: is a hoax, I think you should perk up and listen.
Speaker 3: So can you kind of walk us through what you
Speaker 3: see their role in the documentary, and then certainly we'll
Speaker 3: get into obviously the forty second clip that comes a
Speaker 3: little bit later.
Speaker 4: The documentary, first of all, is just super emotionally charged.
Speaker 4: You're hearing stories about Clint him and his siblings being
Speaker 4: brought up to the living room and his grandmother pretty
Speaker 4: much breaking the news, Hey, your father died last night.
Speaker 4: That was just a gut punch to him. Glovey and
Speaker 4: admiration he had for his dad was just second to none,
Speaker 4: and he talks about it in the documentary. I could
Speaker 4: care less about bigfoot. I just wanted to be out
Speaker 4: there with my dad. He goes, and if he's bigfoot hunting,
Speaker 4: then we're bigfoot hunting. And that was really interesting and
Speaker 4: hard to see the way he was getting choked up
Speaker 4: every time he talked about his dad. He could tell
Speaker 4: he really loved his dad. And shortly after his father
Speaker 4: had passed away, he talks about going into the living
Speaker 4: room one day and his mother is there smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 4: They're talking and she basically confesses that Bob Eronomus was
Speaker 4: in the bigfoot suit to him when he was a
Speaker 4: younger child. He said that always stuck with him and
Speaker 4: he wanted to relay that to everybody. Years after, the
Speaker 4: footage made its rounds and it became viral and how
Speaker 4: big it was. But his mother was honestly making so
Speaker 4: much money from the royalties of the Patterson film. She
Speaker 4: couldn't let that go, and they talk about that was
Speaker 4: her nest egg in the documentaries, that's what they referred
Speaker 4: to it as, and that caused a huge drift between
Speaker 4: Clint and his mother. It was really bad. She was
Speaker 4: sending him letters basically saying I disown you, wish you
Speaker 4: were never born, and those letters are shown in the documentary.
Speaker 4: So much hard evidence is shown in the documentary. It's
Speaker 4: really incredible. There is a scene where he's trying to
Speaker 4: reconcile with his mother, and I believe it's Roger Patterson's
Speaker 4: sister actually acts as the go between trying to get
Speaker 4: them to speak again. There's a scene I believe he's
Speaker 4: in a van and he gets a phone call. It's
Speaker 4: his aunt, Roger Patterson's sister, and she's saying, Hey, your
Speaker 4: mom wants to see you. And he's like, are you
Speaker 4: kidding me? Great, let's do it. She basically says, don't
Speaker 4: even call, just drive right over. She wants to see
Speaker 4: you right now. So they drive right over. They see
Speaker 4: each other through the screen door, they open it and
Speaker 4: they just embrace and it's just waterfalls. It's actually a
Speaker 4: really beautiful moment. They talk about the past and hash
Speaker 4: everything out. She's basically saying, I want to come clean.
Speaker 4: I have a couple of good years left. People need
Speaker 4: to know about this. It's pretty wild. They show her
Speaker 4: the new footage and it's pretty spectacular. But Clint, I
Speaker 4: think he really wanted to do the right thing. And
Speaker 4: at first this weird part of the documentary where he's
Speaker 4: sad of talking about his dad and everything, but it
Speaker 4: gets towards the middle of the documentary and he's basically saying,
Speaker 4: my dad fooled him, just a regular cowboy, he fooled him.
Speaker 4: He's saying, he went viral before viral was a thing,
Speaker 4: and he pulled off the greatest hoax. And he's just
Speaker 4: a small old cowboy. And so he was actually really
Speaker 4: proud of his dad for being able to pull off
Speaker 4: this hoax. For so long, he was mentioning it'd fooled scientists,
Speaker 4: did fooled FX people, and he was right about that.
Speaker 4: He's absolutely right about that. He might hate the guy,
Speaker 4: but it's pretty impressive what these guys were able to do.
Speaker 4: Just a couple of cowboys out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that has been the narrative since this film was filmed,
Speaker 3: at least on the side of its authenticity, as people
Speaker 3: would say, these were just two cowboys. There's no way
Speaker 3: they could have pulled off the hoax of the century.
Speaker 3: They couldn't have made a suit like this, They couldn't
Speaker 3: have done this, that or the other. So it's interesting
Speaker 3: it seems like somewhat of a focal point of the
Speaker 3: documentary to say, yeah, actually they did.
Speaker 5: Pull it off.
Speaker 3: Just too cowboys out there in the woods pulled off,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, if this is what it turns out
Speaker 3: to be, the hoax of the century. I was racking
Speaker 3: my brain after this all came out, and I was
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, what hoax can we point to. I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's another one out there that's similar in certain ways,
Speaker 3: but what else can you point to in the last
Speaker 3: fifty plus years that someone has been able to.
Speaker 5: Hoax and get away with for this long.
Speaker 3: Nothing really comes to mind, outside of potentially now the
Speaker 3: Patterson Gimlin film. So let's get to the meat and potatoes,
Speaker 3: because that was one part of the story. Obviously, if
Speaker 3: you have potentially some sort of a rift in the
Speaker 3: family and you have the quote unquote black sheep on
Speaker 3: the outside saying, yeah, it's as fake. It's always been
Speaker 3: fake that kind of thing. That's one thing you say, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: maybe not. But then you've got Patricia on board as well.
Speaker 3: So now you've got the two closest people in theory
Speaker 3: to Roger Patterson saying, yes, it's a hoax. That really
Speaker 3: makes my ears stand up and I really pay attention.
Speaker 3: But then ultimately, you have this other film that you
Speaker 3: talked about, this clip, this forty some ied second clip.
Speaker 3: I've talked about this on other shows, I've shared it
Speaker 3: on my show. But for the audience listening now, can
Speaker 3: you talk a little bit about how they talk about
Speaker 3: the provenance of this in the documentary, how Mark Evans
Speaker 3: eventually got this. Can you talk a little bit about
Speaker 3: how this was discovered and how the filmmakers ultimately got that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was basically a daughter of I guess,
Speaker 4: an engineer or film developer that worked for Boeing. I
Speaker 4: believe the man passed away in the twenty twenties, maybe
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. I'm not exactly sure he had passed away.
Speaker 4: She knew about this film that had been stored away
Speaker 4: in this safe and she basically says in the documentary
Speaker 4: that there was so much turmoil going on around Bigfoot
Speaker 4: at that time that the wife of the person that
Speaker 4: I mentioned she based. He says, I don't want anything
Speaker 4: to do with it. Bigfoot is not allowed to be
Speaker 4: talked about in this house, and the dad ends up
Speaker 4: locking it in a safe. Years later, the daughter is
Speaker 4: saying how she's scared to walk to school or whatever
Speaker 4: walking home because Bigfoot might come out and grab her,
Speaker 4: and the dad jokingly says, Oh, you don't have to
Speaker 4: worry about that. I know it's this and that it's
Speaker 4: not real and I got something or whatever. So she
Speaker 4: had always known about this family legend or whatever. So
Speaker 4: he ends up passing away. They find the footage, they
Speaker 4: don't know what's on it, so that's where she goes
Speaker 4: to the university where Mark actually teaches a documentary course there.
Speaker 4: I guess to have it digitized, and so they take
Speaker 4: it and they realize what's on the film and they're like, wow,
Speaker 4: this is pretty amazing, and they basically build the documentary
Speaker 4: around this piece of footage. I know Clint had been
Speaker 4: wanting to come public even before that footage was out.
Speaker 4: He wanted to make statements and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 4: really where the rift with him and his mom started,
Speaker 4: but it's one hundred percent confirmed. There's a guy with
Speaker 4: a loop doing a film analysis in the documentary. I
Speaker 4: know there's a lot of people saying it's AI and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. It's absolutely not AI. They have it
Speaker 4: and he's looking through the loop and he's basically saying, Yep,
Speaker 4: everything looks good. It's got the markings on there. People
Speaker 4: have been arguing in all over these forums and stuff
Speaker 4: about these markings, and I've heard all types of crazy stuff,
Speaker 4: but they absolutely, one hundred percent say this film is
Speaker 4: from nineteen sixty six, without a doubt. Yeah. The documentary
Speaker 4: basically begins with the daughter of this bowling engineer coming
Speaker 4: to Mark Evans asking for help to digitize this and
Speaker 4: they see it and they're pretty much shocked. Mark is
Speaker 4: actually from that area of the Pacific Northwest, so he's
Speaker 4: maybe not as deep as we are into the subject,
Speaker 4: but he's definitely a fan and he's known about the
Speaker 4: Patterson stuff for a long time. I think he might
Speaker 4: have had some connection with al Dalli or his family
Speaker 4: did at one point. It's all really interesting and it's
Speaker 4: cool because it's not some outsider. It's a guy who
Speaker 4: was around there, knows all the stuff, and it's cool
Speaker 4: that he was actually lucky enough to get this. It's
Speaker 4: pretty amazing what's on the footage. I'll just say that
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 3: I definitely want to get into that because when I
Speaker 3: saw your reaction video, I started reaching out to people,
Speaker 3: calling people. The first person I reached out to to
Speaker 3: get on the show to talk about it was Bill Munns.
Speaker 3: Because Bill has done the most work that I'm aware
Speaker 3: of on the Patterson Gimlin film, maybe outside of MK Davis.
Speaker 3: He's very familiar with this. He knows it inside and out.
Speaker 3: He's considered an expert on the Patterson Gimlin film. So
Speaker 3: I reached out to Bill, and Bill is actually in
Speaker 3: the documentary. So I got him on the show and
Speaker 3: we had I thought it was a great conversation. I
Speaker 3: asked some pretty hard questions. I think some pretty tough questions,
Speaker 3: because let's be honest, Bill does have a dog in
Speaker 3: this proverbial fight. He's written a book already about the
Speaker 3: Patterson Gimlin film. He's clearly on record one hundred percent
Speaker 3: that it's real. He's actually in the process of writing
Speaker 3: a second book on the Patterson Gimlin film that will
Speaker 3: now I'm sure have a few chapters included about this
Speaker 3: capturing Bigfoot in this new footage and the whole nine yards.
Speaker 3: But during that conversation with Bill, he saw the forty
Speaker 3: second or so clip.
Speaker 5: He said.
Speaker 3: They brought him in and interviewed him for a little
Speaker 3: over four hours for this doc basically get him on record,
Speaker 3: let him say all the things he wants to say
Speaker 3: about the Patterson film, and then they're like, oh wait,
Speaker 3: there's more. Now, we want to show you this clip.
Speaker 3: Classic television. It's the way to get the reaction. It's
Speaker 3: the money shot, right You withhold the information you know
Speaker 3: you're going to spring on people at the last minute.
Speaker 3: So Bill was a little taken aback when they said
Speaker 3: that they had this film that nobody had ever seen before.
Speaker 3: He already had some things in his mind. He told
Speaker 3: me a couple of things he thought it could be
Speaker 3: because he knows there's other film that used to exist.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's still out there now. He
Speaker 3: seems to think that it's out there somewhere that Roger
Speaker 3: and Bob and even Bob Eronymus was involved in filming
Speaker 3: at one point in time or another when they were
Speaker 3: doing this docudrama that they were filming when they actually
Speaker 3: allegedly filmed Patty. So Bill actually started, he was naming
Speaker 3: some things off. He said, oh is it this, or
Speaker 3: oh is it this? Or is it this piece of footage?
Speaker 3: Or is it this footage? And they were like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't think you've seen this before. And they show
Speaker 3: it to him, and the first thing that he says
Speaker 3: to me is when they started the clip, it opens
Speaker 3: up with someone pretending to be Bob Gimlin.
Speaker 5: I just left it at that.
Speaker 3: He says, it looks like someone in a suit. I
Speaker 3: think he described it as a medium grade suit. He
Speaker 3: said it looked like it was created specifically.
Speaker 5: For this filming.
Speaker 3: He even went so far as to say it wasn't
Speaker 3: some off the rack guerrilla suit like Philip Morris. He
Speaker 3: took a little backhanded squat at Philip Morris would make
Speaker 3: for something like this. So he did say that although
Speaker 3: he wasn't impressed with this particular suit, it wasn't just
Speaker 3: some off the rack thing. It looked like it had
Speaker 3: been made for this particular purpose. And I asked him specifically,
Speaker 3: number one, what drew him to believe Patty was real
Speaker 3: in the first place. And not a suit, and he
Speaker 3: said it was the head. He focused in on the
Speaker 3: head in the shoulders because his background is special effects.
Speaker 3: He has made similar costumes for movie projects and television
Speaker 3: projects in the past. And he said, that is the
Speaker 3: toughest thing, or at least was the toughest thing back then,
Speaker 3: to get that, because you didn't have the correct materials
Speaker 3: for all that to lay flat with a person, a
Speaker 3: man or a woman in a suit. So he focused
Speaker 3: in on that and he didn't see any of the
Speaker 3: telltale signs or issues as you would say with Patty,
Speaker 3: and that really made him want to hone in and
Speaker 3: dive deeper into it. And the deeper he got, he
Speaker 3: believes that it's a real film. So I said, what
Speaker 3: about what you saw on this forty second clip, and
Speaker 3: he said, the head wasn't right for me, the body
Speaker 3: wasn't right for me. He did go on to say
Speaker 3: that he was very impressed by the walk. It was
Speaker 3: almost identical. I'm clearly paraphrasing here, so it's not a
Speaker 3: direct quote.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 5: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: He said something along the lines of he was very
Speaker 3: impressed with the walk the gate in the film. It
Speaker 3: was very much like what we see in the Patterson
Speaker 3: Gimlin film. So he was impressed with that, but overall
Speaker 3: he didn't think it was Patty or the suit that
Speaker 3: would have been Patty.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about what you saw.
Speaker 3: You talked about it in your reaction video that you
Speaker 3: posted over on Harryman Road YouTube channel, and I'll certainly
Speaker 3: link to that in the show notes, so you guys
Speaker 3: can go over and watch that and show Eric some
Speaker 3: love on YouTube.
Speaker 5: Let's talk specifically about what you saw.
Speaker 3: Let's focus in on that forty plus second film clip
Speaker 3: that you saw and be as detailed.
Speaker 5: As you can. What did you see and what did
Speaker 5: you walk away feeling after you watch that part of
Speaker 5: the dock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was laser focused because I knew that
Speaker 4: part was coming up, and so I literally stood up
Speaker 4: in my chair and I'm looking at it, just making
Speaker 4: sure I was going to remember everything that I saw.
Speaker 4: And I did see your podcast with Bill Munz, and
Speaker 4: I don't want to take anything away from Bill. He's
Speaker 4: an expert in the VFX and he's got a long
Speaker 4: history of that, and that's more props to him for that,
Speaker 4: but he saw the footage several months ago. I saw
Speaker 4: it about eleven days ago, so his memory might not
Speaker 4: be as clear as his mind seeing it so recently.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it starts off with a familiar face, I
Speaker 4: should say. Basically, you see his man on a pony.
Speaker 4: I don't know how you pretend to be somebody, but
Speaker 4: it's clearly to me it looks like it's Bob Gimlin.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely Bob Gimlin. He's looking right at the camera.
Speaker 4: I think Bill might be misremembering saying that he's holding
Speaker 4: a shotgun or a rifle, because when I look at it,
Speaker 4: he's holding a pistol. It's like a six shooter pistol.
Speaker 4: He's in a rain slicker, it looks like it might
Speaker 4: be drizzling, and he's looking dead straight at the camera.
Speaker 4: And it's Bob Gimlin. And Patricia Patterson even says that's
Speaker 4: Bob Gimblin. It cuts to or moves over to Patty
Speaker 4: and it's the same suit. It's one hundred percent the
Speaker 4: same suit, without a doubt. Doesn't take a visual effects
Speaker 4: expert to see that that's the same suit. Unfortunately, Patty's
Speaker 4: kind of obscured by the trees and everything like that.
Speaker 4: What I remember is how vivid. It looked really clean
Speaker 4: and looked really crisp. There's actually a lot of green foliage.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's shot in the spring, maybe April or
Speaker 4: something like that, but it definitely looks like a lot
Speaker 4: of green around, not autumn or fall when they're supposedly
Speaker 4: the sixty seven footage took place a lot more green.
Speaker 4: So we see Patty walking behind these trees that are
Speaker 4: pretty full trees. When I'm thinking, when I see that
Speaker 4: as all, I'm like, oh God, I'm only going to
Speaker 4: see it behind trees. It's gonna suck. We're not gonna
Speaker 4: get a clear shot. But no, boom, it cuts to
Speaker 4: a shot of Patty right there front and center, and
Speaker 4: you can see everything, and it's way closer than the
Speaker 4: sixty seven footage. You get a really good shot. There
Speaker 4: is some movement the walk. I don't think it walks
Speaker 4: as much as Bill mentioned, but it does do a walk,
Speaker 4: and then it looks back at the camera and it's
Speaker 4: almost looking like it's waiting for instructions on what to do.
Speaker 4: And you can see it it's clearly the same suit.
Speaker 4: It has breasts the head looks the same. It's the
Speaker 4: same conical style. The color is spot on. I think
Speaker 4: you said that it might be a little gray or something.
Speaker 4: To me, it looks exactly, almost a charcoal black color.
Speaker 4: It's Patty and all her glory. And one thing that
Speaker 4: I haven't said is that behind Patty, this is the
Speaker 4: first time I've said this, there's a dirt mound. You
Speaker 4: can see this dirt mound that might have given away,
Speaker 4: or maybe people will be able to analyze the size
Speaker 4: once the footage comes out, you might be able to
Speaker 4: analyze the size of that because there's some type of
Speaker 4: dirt structure that's behind Patty. They do raise the foot
Speaker 4: like the sixty seven footage, and when I see the foot,
Speaker 4: it's the exact same foot we're seeing in the original
Speaker 4: Patterson footage. It's just a dead giveaway. As soon as
Speaker 4: I saw it, maybe a second into seeing and I
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, that's Patty. And it's shocking because after
Speaker 4: seeing the video so many times, you're seeing the same
Speaker 4: subject but in a different video and a different glowation,
Speaker 4: and so your brain just in that teases itself a
Speaker 4: little bit. It felt really weird, like all the time
Speaker 4: I'm watching with my mouth open. I'm just studying this thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's one hundred percent Patty. It's clear, it's
Speaker 4: evident that it's Patty. I've heard some people online say
Speaker 4: it's a skinny air, it's not as bulky. It looks
Speaker 4: exactly the same to me. And the rumor is that
Speaker 4: it's al d Atlee in the suit this time, it's
Speaker 4: not Bob Oronomous. They actually show Bob Eronymous the footage
Speaker 4: and he's yep, that's the same suit, but that's not
Speaker 4: me in the suit that time, So I thought that
Speaker 4: was interesting too. But the footage is really crisp and clear.
Speaker 4: There's less shaking. There's actually a lot less shaking, so
Speaker 4: you get a good view of Patty. Like I said,
Speaker 4: it's a lot closer. You're able to see the face
Speaker 4: a lot better than the sixty seven footage. It's one
Speaker 4: hundred percent Patty. And I think Lund was actually watching
Speaker 4: the documentary and they do a side by side layout
Speaker 4: like the backs both of them, and you can actually
Speaker 4: see the lines and the dimples on both suits. They
Speaker 4: show the foot but up in the air, and it's
Speaker 4: the same foot, identical foot. It's unfortunate that Bill hasn't
Speaker 4: seen the documentary because he didn't get to see the
Speaker 4: comparison of both. And I know he said he wanted
Speaker 4: to see clips. He wanted to be able to use
Speaker 4: some of the stuff in this new forty second clip,
Speaker 4: but unfortunately that didn't happen. And to me, that was
Speaker 4: just a dead giveaway. When they're showing them side by side,
Speaker 4: you're just like, Wow, that's the same suit. I haven't
Speaker 4: talked to too many people who have seen the footage,
Speaker 4: but the people I have talked to that have seen
Speaker 4: the footage are not bigfoot people at all, and they're
Speaker 4: basically like, yeah, of course, of the same suit, Like
Speaker 4: you can tell right away, like it's obvious. I know
Speaker 4: there's a lot of speculation about the way they walk
Speaker 4: and the muscles popping out of the suit and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, but to me, all that stuff is Nolan
Speaker 4: void when you see the actual suit. You can argue
Speaker 4: about when this was shot, recreation or whatever, but it's
Speaker 4: the same suit. Unless Roger Patterson asked a real bigfoot
Speaker 4: for a second take, it's the same suit. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I hate to be the pair of bad news, but
Speaker 4: it is what it is, and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people are going to be shocked when they see it.
Speaker 4: I was just in shock and Ryan, and I hope
Speaker 4: you film your reaction when you see this. I want
Speaker 4: to see your reaction and see what you think.
Speaker 3: I definitely can't wait to see it myself. I guess
Speaker 3: the thing for me is I'm glad you broke that
Speaker 3: down because I got the feeling that Bill he was
Speaker 3: very honest. He said he saw this probably back in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four when they were filming, so it's been
Speaker 3: a while since he's seen this footage. And that was
Speaker 3: a very good point that you made. But he immediately
Speaker 3: went to there's one of two things happening here. Either
Speaker 3: what we're watching this forty second clip is a dry
Speaker 3: run dress rehearsal for the PG film, or it is
Speaker 3: a replica where they're trying to replicate what was filmed
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty seven. What we know is the Patterson
Speaker 3: Gimlin film. And I didn't really press him on it.
Speaker 3: I didn't push him on it, maybe as much as
Speaker 3: I should have in the interview, but after the interview
Speaker 3: and I've had time to let that settle, and I've
Speaker 3: been a guest on couple of podcasts talking about this.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense to me. And let me ask you.
Speaker 3: You're a documentary filmmaker, You've produced your own documentary as
Speaker 3: a layman who doesn't have a dog in any fight
Speaker 3: when it comes to anything film related, it does not
Speaker 3: make sense to me that you go out and film
Speaker 3: the real thing. Why would you go back a year,
Speaker 3: two years, a month, a week, ten years later and
Speaker 3: try to replicate it.
Speaker 5: It makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3: Bill's thing was, I think, al Diatlee, they're going on
Speaker 3: the road with this, they're charging people money to see
Speaker 3: this film. He wanted to make sure that he wasn't
Speaker 3: having his leg pulled, that Roger and Bob were pulling
Speaker 3: a fast one on him, and.
Speaker 5: That basically hoax this whole thing.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense, al Datlee, from what I've even
Speaker 3: heard you say, and I've heard other people say, he
Speaker 3: was a shrewd businessman, not a very nice person.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't like to talk ill of the dead, but
Speaker 3: he doesn't appear to be a very nice person. And
Speaker 3: he doesn't strike me as the type that would just
Speaker 3: go out and waste time, energy, effort, and money to
Speaker 3: replicate something that everybody's already accepted as real. I think
Speaker 3: I compared it on the show earlier when I was
Speaker 3: talking about this. I've written five books.
Speaker 5: I like the books.
Speaker 3: People think they're great. I don't rewrite the books to
Speaker 3: see if I can do it better.
Speaker 5: You just do it and it is what it is.
Speaker 5: So I'll stop talking and ask you a question.
Speaker 3: As a filmmaker who produced your own documentary, does it
Speaker 3: make sense to you that you got it right the
Speaker 3: first time and then you go back and try to
Speaker 3: replicate it afterwards, or does it make sense that you
Speaker 3: want to get it right the first time, so you
Speaker 3: practice until you get it that way and you get
Speaker 3: the money shot the first time around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think. And you got to remember
Speaker 4: back in the day, they didn't have viewfinders. They weren't
Speaker 4: able to rewind the tape and play it right away.
Speaker 4: They would have had to have some type of dry
Speaker 4: run rehearsals to get it right. Because you're not on
Speaker 4: Adobe editing stuff. You can't just go back and look
Speaker 4: at it. You have to have that developed. You got
Speaker 4: to go back and it's a painstaking thing to do.
Speaker 4: So I think they needed to try it a couple
Speaker 4: of times before they actually figured out the formula they
Speaker 4: wanted to use, and I did hear Bill basically say
Speaker 4: that you can't use the new footage to prove the
Speaker 4: sixty seven footage is a hoax, because no one has
Speaker 4: proved the sixty seven footage is a hoax before. So
Speaker 4: I really couldn't understand the logic there. I don't know
Speaker 4: there was rules to debunking the Bigfoot stuff or whatever,
Speaker 4: but yeah, to me, it just makes no sense. And
Speaker 4: if they did it afterwards, imagine they were busy with
Speaker 4: their traveling making money, so why would you stop all
Speaker 4: that to go back and film something else. To me,
Speaker 4: it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. And
Speaker 4: I really can't understand that. And even some people were
Speaker 4: saying this was part of the documentary or the film
Speaker 4: that Roger was making. And people have said that Bob
Speaker 4: Gimlin is dressed up in Native American gear and this
Speaker 4: new stuff, and that's not the case at all. So
Speaker 4: this is absolutely new footage. It's a dry run, it's
Speaker 4: a rehearsal. And Jeff Meldrum basically said the same thing,
Speaker 4: And I'm glad someone would send someone who is in
Speaker 4: the community at the time, had the gumption to say, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is a dry run. It looks like a drive run.
Speaker 4: What else would it be. I just can't imagine them
Speaker 4: trying to recreate something after To me, it doesn't hold water.
Speaker 4: I can't sign any logic in that.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, Yeah, I'm the same way.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. You
Speaker 3: and I talked a little bit about this before we
Speaker 3: hit the record button. But I've put this out there
Speaker 3: as much as I can online on the show. I
Speaker 3: did an entire newsletter about it. I've narrated the newsletter
Speaker 3: and put it out there because I want people to
Speaker 3: have as much information as I have, which is not
Speaker 3: a ton. But here's the thing that I think is
Speaker 3: the huge red herring that's been thrown out there since
Speaker 3: this has come out. You basically broke the story in
Speaker 3: the Bigfoot community about what you saw. Is that it
Speaker 3: all comes down to I watched a video today the
Speaker 3: Cabin in the Woods channel on YouTube arguing that nothing
Speaker 3: really matters because the people who produce this film can't
Speaker 3: show proof, whether it's receipts, where the film was developed
Speaker 3: or whatever, as to when this was shot. Bill Munz said,
Speaker 3: it to me on the show. It's right there for
Speaker 3: everybody to listen to. He said, he held the film
Speaker 3: that gave him the film, He looked at it with
Speaker 3: a loop. He said, it is absolutely codochrome film, and
Speaker 3: it was absolutely manufactured in nineteen sixty six. Of course,
Speaker 3: he argues, there's no way to prove, because it was
Speaker 3: made in nineteen sixty six that anything was filmed on it.
Speaker 3: You can't prove when it was filmed, and that has
Speaker 3: been the narrative. Unfortunately, maybe it was even because of
Speaker 3: that interview that I did with him that I've even
Speaker 3: further that narrative in the community. But I'm here to
Speaker 3: say right now, if you stop and think critically, it
Speaker 3: does not matter when that was filmed. It makes no
Speaker 3: difference whatsoever. The only thing that matters is what's on
Speaker 3: the film. And you just described in great detail what
Speaker 3: you saw is what we know to be Patty in
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixty seven Patterson Gimlin film. She's only supposed
Speaker 3: to exist on one piece of film that was filmed
Speaker 3: on October twentieth, nineteen sixty seven, by Roger Patterson with
Speaker 3: his K one hundred camera on that sandbar in Bluff
Speaker 3: Creek with Bob Gimlin at his side, point blank, period,
Speaker 3: full stop. If what you say is true, and I
Speaker 3: believe it to be Patty at a different time, whether
Speaker 3: it was a day before, four days after, two years after,
Speaker 3: matters not. If you saw Patty as we know her
Speaker 3: in another piece of film on coda chrome film, no
Speaker 3: matter when it was shot, that is one hundred percent case, closed,
Speaker 3: done deal hoax in my opinion, do you agree with
Speaker 3: that one hundred percent?
Speaker 4: There is no way you're gonna be able to get
Speaker 4: a bigfoot again on camera as clear as they did
Speaker 4: the first time. Like I said, unless they ask for
Speaker 4: another take, everything is nullified. Once you see that suit.
Speaker 4: You can argue about when the film was shot, you
Speaker 4: can argue about leg movement, you can argue about pretty
Speaker 4: much anything. But once you see the suit, it's game over.
Speaker 4: There's no going around it. And it is the same suit.
Speaker 4: I can't wait for people to see this because I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm a crazy person. No one else has
Speaker 4: seen it, and I just keep saying the same thing,
Speaker 4: but it's the same suit. I can't wait. The people
Speaker 4: that have analyzed the PG film as much as they have,
Speaker 4: I'd like to see what they're going to say about
Speaker 4: this because it's going to do the same analyzation or whatever.
Speaker 4: Because it's the same suit.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 4: Even doctor Meldrum jumps up from his chair. Those are breasts.
Speaker 4: He's amazed that this same costume has breasts. He sees it.
Speaker 4: He's a little teary eyed. He's realized what he's focused
Speaker 4: a lot of his time with is a hoax. But
Speaker 4: he's man enough to admit it. Basically says it's a
Speaker 4: dry run. That's about it. And it's shocking to see
Speaker 4: him say that. They show the footage to Bob Gimblin
Speaker 4: also they ask him, Hey, Bob, who's on that horse?
Speaker 4: And he just kind of looks up and gives a
Speaker 4: little smile. And the interviews got short. It's sad, and
Speaker 4: they tried asking him again at the conference there and
Speaker 4: he looked like he was ready to come clean. He
Speaker 4: was basically saying, yeah, I want to tell the truth.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to tell the truth, and unfortunately his wife
Speaker 4: got up and blocked the shot, canceled their interview that
Speaker 4: they had scheduled. So it's really unfortunate. But it's the
Speaker 4: same suit, guys, and fortunately it's the same suit, and
Speaker 4: that's all I can really say until everybody sees it.
Speaker 3: I've definitely reached out to several people that are close
Speaker 3: to Bob. I've been trying to get something out of
Speaker 3: him on the show, some sort of a statement. I
Speaker 3: know he's not doing tons of interviews. He's in his
Speaker 3: early nineties, but I do think the community wants to
Speaker 3: hear what he has to say about this, so hopefully
Speaker 3: that'll happen.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more sasquatch Ott to see. We'll be
Speaker 5: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I want to be respectful your time. But one last
Speaker 3: question that I asked Bill that he couldn't answer for
Speaker 3: me that you certainly can. This is something that's come
Speaker 3: up about the secondary evidence. I'll call it in this
Speaker 3: whole thing. You mentioned the late doctor Jeff Meldrum. The
Speaker 3: first time I ever had Jeff on the show, he
Speaker 3: said to me, I remember it as clear as day, Brian,
Speaker 3: I am as certain as I could possibly be, other
Speaker 3: than standing on that sandbar right next to them, that's
Speaker 3: a real creature based on the trackway and the tracks alone.
Speaker 3: That was a question I asked Bill Muns because that
Speaker 3: has been such a huge part of this it's not
Speaker 3: just the film.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 3: I'll go back to the it goes both ways, folks,
Speaker 3: the totality of the circumstances if you have multiple pieces
Speaker 3: of evidence that you can put together. And I think
Speaker 3: that's what the big deal was for Jeff was the
Speaker 3: trackway that he felt like was real.
Speaker 5: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: If the film is a hoax, then all the secondary
Speaker 3: evidence that comes after that, like you said, the bulge
Speaker 3: that looks like a muscle on the leg, I don't
Speaker 3: give a shit at this point because it's a guy
Speaker 3: in a suit. So if it's a guy in a suit,
Speaker 3: then those tracks are now null and void. They're not
Speaker 3: even evidence at all. Do they address that at all
Speaker 3: that you recall in the documentary? Do they talk about
Speaker 3: the trackway and how that was made? Because Bill said
Speaker 3: it was a four hour interview almost two years ago,
Speaker 3: he couldn't recall specifically if they talked about that, and
Speaker 3: he hasn't seen the documentary, But I was curious if
Speaker 3: it was something that they even addressed, or if it
Speaker 3: just didn't fit the narrative and it just wasn't there.
Speaker 5: Do you recall if they talked about the trackway at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, When we got pulled into the Q and
Speaker 4: A for the documentary, there were a couple of people
Speaker 4: asking questions, and that was one of the questions that
Speaker 4: popped up. What about the trackway the footprints? I believe
Speaker 4: Mark said that they had filmed some stuff about that,
Speaker 4: but it just didn't make it into the documentary. He
Speaker 4: was saying during that part, there was a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff that didn't make it into the documentary. I think
Speaker 4: there's also a part where Clint mentions about the suit
Speaker 4: being burned and a burn barrel. I asked him about that,
Speaker 4: and he said they shot that, but it didn't make
Speaker 4: it into the documentary. So he said that they might
Speaker 4: be doing an extended version to have all of this
Speaker 4: extra stuff in there. That would be really cool if
Speaker 4: that ends up happening. Because there were some interesting questions
Speaker 4: thrown at Clint and the producer and the director, they
Speaker 4: answered pretty much everything, saying, we filmed a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately we had to condense this into an hour and
Speaker 4: forty minutes. I'm sure they have enough stuff to make
Speaker 4: like a three hour documentary or like even a mini series.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that they've got so much foot as you're saying,
Speaker 4: They interviewed Bill for four hours, and he's featured in
Speaker 4: the documentary, but I don't think he's in there as
Speaker 4: much as some of the other people like Meldrome, Clint Patterson, obviously,
Speaker 4: Larry Lund and those folks. They bring him in towards
Speaker 4: the end of the documentary to look at the footage
Speaker 4: because he is a film expert in that aspect. That's
Speaker 4: really the bulk of his information that he gives there.
Speaker 4: He does talk a little bit about his history and
Speaker 4: his involvement, but it's mainly towards the end of the documentary.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting that they got four hours of footage
Speaker 4: out of them because I could definitely see an extended
Speaker 4: cut of this hitting the streaming platforms, which would be
Speaker 4: amazing if that happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, I want to be respectful your time,
Speaker 3: so I guess i'll give you the last word here.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to talk about it
Speaker 3: at all, but I know you've gotten some grief. I
Speaker 3: know people have attacked you personally. I know it's been
Speaker 3: a tough time. Honestly, I don't know if you want
Speaker 3: to speak to that. I think, to me, it's important
Speaker 3: that people hear that because you're just a dude going
Speaker 3: about life who went to see a documentary and you
Speaker 3: talked about what you saw, and people are coming out
Speaker 3: of the woodwork attacking you. I've gotten just a tiny
Speaker 3: bit of that from certain people in the community because
Speaker 3: I've just stood up and said, look, I just want
Speaker 3: the truth.
Speaker 5: Oh, you're a trader.
Speaker 3: You're not standing with Bob, you're against him. No, I'm
Speaker 3: not against anybody. I'm just for the truth. So how
Speaker 3: has that affected you. What's it been like just these
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: It's been pretty wild. I'm not gonna lie. I've had
Speaker 4: a lot of threats and allegations thrown my way, people
Speaker 4: saying I was paid to be there. I actually paid
Speaker 4: to be there. I cost money out of my pocket
Speaker 4: to be there. Wasn't cheap, So throw that out of
Speaker 4: the window. People are even now The newest thing is
Speaker 4: they're actually dosing my place of work, which is pretty crappy.
Speaker 4: Luckily in my career, my boss is super cool, knows
Speaker 4: what I do as a hobby. I have a real
Speaker 4: job and stuff like that. They're really cool about it,
Speaker 4: and it's unfortunate that it's getting to that they're making
Speaker 4: memes of me and stuff like that, and a lot
Speaker 4: of it is coming from these legacy Bigfoot personalities that
Speaker 4: are pumping this out, not verbally but saying, check this
Speaker 4: guy out, something spishy about his story. We need to
Speaker 4: know pretty much everything about him. And so it's been interesting.
Speaker 4: But on the other side, I've had a lot of support.
Speaker 4: A lot of people have come forward to support me,
Speaker 4: like yourself and other people, and I'm really grateful for that.
Speaker 4: I had been emailing with someone from a entertainment magazine
Speaker 4: and they popped into the Their actually part of some
Speaker 4: groups in the Facebook and Reddit and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: and they're basically checking up on me, saying, hey, are
Speaker 4: you okay. We're seeing all this stuff going on. We
Speaker 4: wanted to ask you some questions and stuff, but we
Speaker 4: see you're getting abuse, so we might hold off on
Speaker 4: doing this if you're cool with that. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's fine. Hopefully this all blows over once the documentary
Speaker 4: comes out, but we'll just have to wait and see again.
Speaker 4: It's shocking, but it's not unexpected. I'll say that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the unfortunate part. Man.
Speaker 3: I truly appreciate what you've done, what you've put out there,
Speaker 3: you've put the video out initially, you've done follow up videos.
Speaker 5: You're coming on here, you're talking to me about it,
Speaker 5: So I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Everybody go over to Harry man Road YouTube channel. I
Speaker 3: have it linked right here in the show notes. You guys,
Speaker 3: show Eric some love, go watch some videos, subscribe to
Speaker 3: his channel, put it out there, let your friends know
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: Eric.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, man. I've had
Speaker 3: a blast talking to you.
Speaker 4: Hey Man, thank you and anytime. I'm grateful for the
Speaker 4: opportunity to come on and just talk about what I've seen.
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