Speaker 1: You're listening to a classic edition of the Unknown Origins
Radio show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.
Speaker 2: We live in a world filled with you.
Speaker 3: I'm mad as hell.
Speaker 4: I'm we will not go.
Speaker 5: Quietly into the nights.
Speaker 1: We will not.
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Speaker 1: Radio and good evening, everybody.
Speaker 6: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio here on
Art Bell's brand new home, the Dark Matter Radio Network.
And I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and joining.
Speaker 1: Me as our co host, mister Bruce Pearson. How are
you tonight, Bruce?
Speaker 5: I'm fair to mediocre. I'm okay.
Speaker 1: You know, any day above grounds is a good Day's right.
Speaker 5: I'm looking down at the grass rather than not at it.
Speaker 1: It was always rather than it growing around you. That's right,
that's always good.
Speaker 6: You know, speaking of Art Bell, for anyone who follows
Art's Facebook page, and you know, he's really been posting
about getting everything ready to come on and premiere live
here on the Dark Matter Radio Network July the twentieth.
We're really looking forward for Art to come back, and
it sounds like it's going to be a great show.
And you know, we have to mention the fact that
how great it is that he was planning on just
doing the internet show, and because of the bad experiences
you know that he had, was sirious and then the.
Speaker 1: Whole fiasco with Coast to Coast that he was just.
Speaker 6: Going to do the streaming on the on the internet
and leave it at that, And then there was this
outpouring of stations all across the country begging to carry
the show.
Speaker 1: And now I.
Speaker 6: Don't know how many stations they're up to right now,
but there are stations all across the US that are
going to be also simulcasting the show live so as
well as here on the Dark Matter Radio Network. So
that's going to be great, really great news. So I'm
very happy that I can't wait for him to come
back on the air.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, being a broadcaster back starting in nineteen
seventy three before there was electricity, are definitely changed the
face of talk radio by anybody's standard, anybody's estimation. So
it's really going to be great to be, you know,
sharing at least the network with him, and quite an
honor and looking forward to it. It's going to be
good for everybody. And I wouldn't want to be the
folks over there at premiere going forward because they're in
for a rough ride.
Speaker 1: Yes they are.
Speaker 5: Well, not that I wish anybody any ill, not Georgia
or any of the folks over on that other network,
but Art's going to mop the floor.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: Competition is the American way.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: Just keep that in mind, folks.
Speaker 5: Anyway, what have you been up to?
Speaker 1: Mark busy, busy, busy we've been.
Speaker 6: We had the new book release with Ken Cherry's book
came out a week and a half ago. The Mark
Slade investigates the Stevensville UFO that's starting to make some waves,
so we're really looking forward to see how that's going
to move forward. He's going to be on some more
shows coming up here soon. We also have the coming
up in the twentieth gonna of this month, actually it's
the eighteenth through the twenty first. There is Phenomenology one
oh seven and as you know, you're well known.
Speaker 1: I've attended the last few years.
Speaker 6: Not going to be able to make it this year,
but there's gonna be a lot of great people. It's
going to be a great convention in York, Pennsylvania with
a lot of celebrity guests and if you want to
get more information on that, get tickets at Phenom events
dot com. I mean, they're going to be having Travis
Walton is going to be there from the Fire in
the Sky Bookend movie and his experiences. We have ghost Cops,
Stacy Jones is going to be there. Your good friend
Bruce Bob Christopher is going to be there, Chris Fleming
and Carmen Reid from the Haunting in Connecticut House. So
it's going to be a lot of great people there.
It's going to be a good fun event. So you
can get your tickets and more information at phenom events
dot com. And now, while I'm not going to be
able to be there for one day that that Saturday,
June twentieth, I am going to be here in New
Jersey at the Strange Exchanged Weird Flea Market, which is
being sponsored by the Weird New Jersey guys Mark and Mark.
And that's going to be at the Welmont Theater in Montclair.
It's going to be from twelve to five. I'm going
to have a table there. It's from what I understand,
there's going to be a lot of great strange vendors there.
I'll probably won't be one of the most conservative ones
because I'm just selling books.
Speaker 1: But we'll have a table there.
Speaker 6: You can come on by and say hi, talk about
the radio show, see some of the books that we're selling.
So that will be again on June the twentieth at
the Welmont Theater in Montclair. For more information, you can
go to the theater's website at the Welmonttheater dot com and
they have more information. And I don't know if they're
selling tickets to get in or not, but I think
if so, you can find out that information at that
point in time.
Speaker 1: And that's about it. How are things going on? You're
in there, Bruce.
Speaker 5: Good I had a nice conversation this morning for people
who want to mark their calendars. A couple pages down,
Bruce Tango gave me a call this morning. He's going
to do his Halloween event for the second time. They've
changed venues. That'll be here in Avenue, New Jersey. He's
asked me to provide the sound for him again this year,
and he does a great event. He's gonna have some
special guests hopefully you know, his son Dave Tango from
Ghost Stunters and Steve will be there, hopefully, he told me,
and that's a great event. It's very intimate. He has
a good time as dinner, he has dancing. He usually
brings in a couple performers in addition to the meet
and greet, So I have more information on that going forward.
I'm going to try to get down to Phenomenology. I'd
love to broadcast the television show from down there, but
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to pull
that off. But I'm going to try to make a
run down there if I can. At least the sale
oad to a lot of a lot of the folks
that we know over the years, and you know, hopefully
we'll get to see some of our listeners down there.
But great event. You should try to make it out
to York, Pennsylvania, just outside of Gettysburg, and it's a
lot of fun. They do a good job, so.
Speaker 6: You puts on a pretty good Dana and her husband
Chris put on a great event.
Speaker 1: So definitely check that out.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's we should get right into our
show tonight. We have a great guest. We're really excited
to have her on. And this guest tonight is a
very unique background and it starts off a little different
guest for this show, but I think you're going to
enjoy it. She's a comedian, an actress, and a New
York Times best selling author and producer. And you may
have seen her recently on Anger Management and she starred
in her own television show, Grace under Fire. And we
are very excited to welcome Brett Butler to the program tonight.
How are you tonight?
Speaker 7: Brett?
Speaker 3: Hi, Mark, Hi, everybody, Thank you. I'm fine, And I've
just been listening to all the events she's got going
in which I were on the East coast. To tell
you the truth, well, we'll.
Speaker 5: Come out there. There's events out on the West coast.
Speaker 3: We're not phenomenology is just that gathering sounds exciting and
how cool is the pull art bel thing? So I'm
sickle to be here. Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 5: Well, it's great to have you on. I mean, somebody
of your stature now real quick, you're what Grace Underfire
was in the top ten for two or three years, right,
I mean this was a I.
Speaker 3: Think so, I think. So we run for one hundred
and twelve shows that I remember about eighty of them.
Speaker 5: Wow, wow, you know I've been working on a couple
of Food Network shows on the crew for the last
couple of years, and people that you know, after forty
years of broadcasting, unless you've worked on a tough production
schedule on set for a series, people don't realize the
amount of work that goes into a show each and
every episode.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, my crew, my crew worked hard.
I'm sorry. I did not have a hard job. And
anybody that is is a star of your own show
and complains about being hard work, I strongly suggest you've
embarked in reality protocole. Mike crew works with their butt
off their collective button. Individually. It is a lot of work.
And by the way, I'm not I'm not demeaning acting
or anything. It's just you know that that didn't happen
to me until I was thirty five. I've been you know,
headlining and had had real jobs before. So it's I
do miss the team part of it. That was great.
Speaker 5: And but and you had a career as a comedian, uh,
you know, going in into your your your studio work right.
Speaker 3: Oh about twelve years just working with me and me
and a microphone and and uh, and I'm doing that.
I can Uh, that never goes Away. I mean it
is like riding a bike in Away. I love stand
up I always will.
Speaker 5: Well, you've got a you've got a great style. Uh
your stuff is just hilarious. I mean, uh, I we
share one thing in common. Actually, I'm older than you,
so I hope you take that as a compliment. But uh,
I'm fine.
Speaker 3: I'm fifty seven. I tell my age. I've never lied
about my ugly my age or my weight. I used
to lie about my height, of all the stupid things
to tell fids about.
Speaker 5: And you're a Southern girl, right, You're from where Alabama, Georgia.
Speaker 3: I was born in Alabama, raised in Marietta, Georgia. But
you know, when I moved to New York when I
was twenty six, I felt more at home there than
I've ever felt anywhere in my life. If I didn't
have so many animals i've lived there. Now, I love
New York.
Speaker 5: Wow, But Marietta's that's a fair sized town. I did
some work with mine.
Speaker 3: It wasn't fifty years ago. It seemed to be a
lot further from Atlanta, and a bunch of my family's
still there. I just I just don't really have an
affinity for white southern people, and I know the irony
of that. I know how that sound, and I'm sure
there are some nice ones. I'm just I like big cities,
and that's just how it is.
Speaker 5: What was your what was your childhood like? Or what
drove you do you? Was there any cathartic experience that
got you into working as a stand up?
Speaker 3: You know, the women and my family just cracked me
up and the men. I also was raised in a
family where, well, both my grandmothers had college degrees and
neither grandfather did, so that was sort of unusual. That
the women in our family were just articulate and really funny.
We laughed a lot together. My cousins are funny, my sisters.
I have four younger sisters, and I never laughed harder
than when they're cracking me up. So and then I'll
talk to somebody and they go, well, you had a
really hard life, and I go, well, I guess you know,
I never wrote about it that way, or I don't
describe it that way. I just you know, I'm here,
I'm still standing. How could I complain anything? Actually, ninety
nine percent of difficulties I've ever had, I signed up
for myself.
Speaker 1: Well, you.
Speaker 6: You did write a book before you started Grace Underfire.
You you authored a book Knee Deep in Paradise.
Speaker 3: I did that while the show was on.
Speaker 1: While the show was on, Okay, right, okay now? And
so what you know?
Speaker 6: You you you were seeing the fighting of all the
southern women and your family. So what made you want
to get up and start expressing yourself in front of
a crowd.
Speaker 3: Well, my mom told her that. I said when I
was five, I was going to be a comedy And
I hated to describe it this way, but I loved
men comics. I like when men wore tuxedos and chicks
and Fritz Twist brought them high balls and left the room.
It's like I wouldn't have been a great lesbian comedian,
but I like guys. I just love comedy. I love
My mom would let me stay home from school to
watch stand ups that were on Mike Douglas and Merv
Griffin if they were good. Like one day I forgot
who I wanted to stay out to see, and she said,
that's not good enough to miss school. Fork And when
I was eight, I did George Carling and a Christmas pageant,
and I didn't even know what half of the joke's men.
I was doing like al Fleet and Kay, what do
you call your paza? I didn't know what getting high was,
but I was doing a stone weather.
Speaker 1: As long as he workeduring the seven dirty words.
Speaker 3: No, no, that was a little bit after that that
was and mom, let me do that too. She was extraordinary.
She still is extraordinary. But when an eight year old
comes up and says, Mom, I don't want to tell
some silly Christmas poem, I want to do what that
guy did on ed Sullivan, And she said, what a
great idea, honey, Like it was the most normal thing
in the world. So I'm glad. I'm glad I wasn't normal.
I guess you.
Speaker 5: Were the first hippy dippy weather woman.
Speaker 3: Then is at the camp might have been thank you.
I'm gonna put on my resume. Now.
Speaker 5: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's yeah to aspire to that at such a young
age as neat, But I think that that's the essence
of comedy, just you know, seeing people as they are,
and seeing how silly we are and how crazy we are,
and how contradictory you know, our actions are. I mean,
I tend to look as Mark knows I look at
the world as a giant foreside cartoon. I mean, you
got to look at it and shake out.
Speaker 3: He's my favorite. Oh my gosh, I don't think I've
got that. I'm sure you have the great, big, fat
double book collection of his.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I just remember, like laughing till my ribs were hurrying
from God bless.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you, you know, anger management. You bring that up,
But I'll tell you a dirty little secret about me.
I literally keep one of the little, the smaller Gary
Larson books with me at all times and when I
really get ticked off. And it actually happened today at
a corporate broadcast. I was just dealing with a corporate
pinhead that was out of control, and I just reached
in my bag, pulled out my Larsen book, and about
three pages into it, all that you know, I was
no longer going to unscrew the guy's head and bounce
it down to you know, the conference like a basketball,
because how can you. I mean, you know, when you
see this, yes, So that's what we have to look
at life.
Speaker 3: You just go it diffuses everything. I had a like
a client's I had a client on the phone, a
few weeks ago, and she wanted to basically know that
her ex was in hell. And I went, I went.
I started to think all these things like, well, that's
not how it worked, honey. And I mean I didn't
tell her. I did say that he wasn't but I
did leave out the fact that he was with her sister.
Speaker 5: Did you tell them he was in fact in hell
and he was living right downtown in Camden, New Jersey.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's just it's funny. And then and she
was with all these animals, and she said, I read
you animals, and then I saw the animals. She she
had had a lot of hard stuff in life, but
basically what she told the animals was that no one
will ever be good to you. People are bad. I'm
the only good day. So she she was. She fostered
all these animals that continued to be in fear. Does
that make sense, like, yeah, comedy bad.
Speaker 6: She really did, living too bitter with her life, and
of course that emotion comes through and those animals will
feel it.
Speaker 5: Speaking of the reality of that, though, Brett, you have
really and I compliment you because you have really gone
through hell yourself. And uh, I bought the.
Speaker 3: Ticket it's totally my doing.
Speaker 5: You know that, you know what, we all make mistakes,
no matter how true and no matter how realistic and
harsh you are, and really, you know, telling the truth
about that. The fact of the matter is, you know,
you pulled out of the dive. To use a pilot's parlance,
you pulled out of the dive. You turn yourself around,
and that comes from nothing, but you know, an internal
strength that hopefully you reach down far enough and grab
it and turn around.
Speaker 3: So that is that I'm glad I didn't die. It
would have made the wrong people happy.
Speaker 5: There you go. Yeah, yeah, I know that feeling. Yeah,
just you know what, you just got to do it
right to piss them off.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, right, I just I'm so glad. Just that gratitude
will never go. I am so glad to have I've
had more than one second chance, so I'm really happy
just to be here.
Speaker 5: Well, the fact that you're sharing that that knowledge with people,
you know, may may just be enough that somebody else
that's on the edge turns around and gives it another
takes another deep breath and straightens it out. You know
the fact that we all do things that are stupid
and hurtfull of ourselves and make a lot of bad mistakes,
but you know, some of them are a lot more
consequential than others. And you know what, you're a good
person going forward and that's all positive. But we really
want to get into this new facet of your life, which.
Speaker 6: Before we do that, I do have one question since
before before we change the subject, I wanted to ask Brett.
Speaker 1: You know, we lost.
Speaker 6: Last year or earlier this year, one of the most
brilliant comedians I've ever had the pleasure of Robin growing
up with, and I actually got to see him live
one and you know, you can speak from it from
your experience. How is it true that a lot of
comedians they're channeling that inner pain, that inner the you know,
the their demons, they're hiding it behind a smile and laughter.
And I know Robin struggled with his demons for so
many years and so long, and not only struggling with
addiction and alcohol and but the depression. And you know,
I feel so bad because he was just my favorite
of just growing up with him.
Speaker 1: Since I was in junior high school, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, well he blew it out of the water for us.
He really did he just showed us. All I mean
was he was extraordinary. It was like another force of
nature coming under the Saint. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Do you as from your perspective and what your own
experiences were, do you feel that that, uh, that is
true that a lot of comedians or people who go
into comedy are channeling that type of dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, almost to a person. And and also, I'll take
it a step further. I think most comedians really have
this fantasy about doing like the most dramatic Shakespeare or
singing like Frank Sinatra. And I'm only half kidding there.
We have. That's why, you know, when you saw Jackie
Bleefon or Andy Griffith, who were both really funny and
had like one person acts that were hysterically funny. And
that's then, by the way, people had to sing and dance.
Go look at the old variety shows. You can't just
be funny or just be a singer. You had to
They made you work for your money, and so they
were able to turn it into like phenomenally powerful dramatic performances.
And then Robin was the one of our generations who
did more than you know, like Good Morning Vietnam and
Moscow and the Hudson. He just showed you know, dead
poets society, and he knocked it over. He knocked it
into the bleachers. I feel, you know, and I think
if comedians have given themselves a chance to even I
tell them when they start out, it will not hurt
me to take some acting classes. Don't do like I
didn't get your own show before. You realize you never
learned how to act. In a way, learning how to
act can be the worst thing to happen to someone,
but you know, to just get familiar with it. Demons
are a weird word, you know, because for everyone that's there,
there's I promise there's a punchline attached to it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In Robin's case, in all fairness, I think that is
the advent of a very physical and debilitating thing. Parkinson's
disease part of what really really made things pulled in
on him.
Speaker 6: And you know, my father he passed away from Parkinson's
and in congestive heart failure, but he dealt with the
Parkinson's for the last few years of his life. I
totally understand it, you know, wanting to not have to
go through that or put his family through that. You know,
it's just a shame. It really is a shame. I
personally wish he could have been able to reach out
and talk to people more.
Speaker 3: And know his daughter's Elda said some of the most
mature and evolved things in the wake of his death
that have just I just I know Robin is so
proud where he is. She's she just seems to be,
and she's had to put up with some rather low
brow energy and questions, and you know that just you
know what happens. She has just done a beautiful job
and is trying to do everything she can to make
sure that his name lives on for all the right reasons.
Speaker 1: You know he will. He will.
Speaker 6: He was a legend and he will live on most definitely. Now, Bruce,
I'm sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 5: You please do it all. I think that that's that's
very insightful because as you know, I worked for a
number of years with the Rodney Dangerfield and got to
know him quite well.
Speaker 3: Whenever he was he was great. He was one of
the guys in New York that gave me the first
time on the stage.
Speaker 5: Really and honest sincere real time. I mean, here's a
guy he really was just like you know, he would
just continually badger me and try to get me to
stay up, stay after the show and have steaks with him,
and uh, you know, and I had I had to
drive all the way across the state and he's you know,
I just found him to be a real guy, telling
a real story. And Sharon, he was.
Speaker 3: He was at the bar one night and I'm like
a kid. I'd driven there from New York and he
comes up and goes, what the hell is the meddle
with you? And I said, well, I'm just waiting to
go on, and he goes to really he does that
double take to really talk like that. He and Jackie
Mason were betting that I was from Scarsdale and I
was just doing this say boy and thing at the bar.
He says, you know what, I'm going to put you
on because I'm curious. He let me go on, and
can I tell you a great Rodney story?
Speaker 5: Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, this is not apocryphal, and I'm not
going to say the other comedian's name in it, but
he was a Romper Stomper Bomper boo. This is way
back way back in the eighties. The two of them
had worked in Vegas together and had done that last
cocaine stop around the room, you know, because they'd done
all the blow there was to do. And this guy
was so excited doing blow with Rodney. He goes, I
didn't even need to blow. I'm in the room, were
with Rodney. So they find Rodney goes, hey, I found
some more and they chop it up, and I'm sorry
if this is shocking to people, but this is the
eighties and I've earned the right to talk about this.
So they chop it up and do it, and it
just doesn't feel right somehow. And then they realized that
Rodney has had his feet propped on the table and
they had chopped up his foot powder and sported it.
And Rodney goes, He goes, I'm gonna throw up, and
it's my feet. But kid, if you ever tell anyone this,
ifot he was on the horn to all of us
the next day, and then, you know, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry if that grossed anyone out, But there's the eighties
in a nutshell right there.
Speaker 5: He was a real guy, I mean, and I think
that's where you resonate when when comedians really get on
their own, you're telling life stories that we can always share.
We can all share the humanity and it because we're
all human beings.
Speaker 3: I mean, while we're while we're doing that, I have
to say because I just I feel him around, and
I don't mean literally. My buddy Bill Hicks was just
who left us way too young at thirty three, and
Bill was I remember seeing Bill in Houston, and Bill
started comedy when he was fifteen years old. But his
stuff on cats and dogs was funnier than our most
esoteric steff we could come up with. He was He
was just beyond beyond talented. And I love that his
parents came to understand and love what he did a
whole lot. And you know, there's there's a bunch of
those guys that are up there hopefully laughing at us
for all the right reasons right now.
Speaker 5: Well, good for you, And I tell you there's nothing
that helps heal all the bad stuff we deal with
every day as part of living life than laughing. And
I think laughing at yourself has been a official as
any of it. And we've lost a lot of that
ability to make fun of ourselves and each other. And
I think people take everything a little too seriously today,
And you know that's why the tension just builds like
a cauldron. I think in society and comedians serve a
very valuable purpose to everybody's mental health and well being.
I think that that's absolutely true. So good for you.
Speaker 3: We have a leg up in spirit. I'm not saying
they can't be funny in spirit, and I have had
you know, I have had them come across and they
convey really funny things. But in terms of flat out
punchlines and stuff that you know, people when we're in
these hard school skins we get in this life, you know,
be as funny as you can now, because I'm not
sure it's as easy to get to over there.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It gets lost in translation.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe I'm just not hearing the right sound.
Maybe maybe I need a sound check the other side.
Speaker 5: I thought it was all. I thought there was all
those parties and Margarita's and you know strip over here.
I guess I was wrong again.
Speaker 3: No, No, my friend, my friend is an Episcopal priest
and said that one of the parishioners asked him if
we're on the hush one day and you have sick
for them, and and he goes, I think so, but
you can't feel it.
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's one more thing that's no different than
let me make a note of that.
Speaker 1: I think I think we need like a you know,
a drum in the background.
Speaker 3: People no need to fake it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, Brett, let's ask you then, because you've already
alluded to it, and Bruce was going to lead into it.
Here you are now working and doing consultations, spiritual consultations
for people.
Speaker 3: And I'm so sorry that that's the phrase. I'm sorry
someone else put that up there. I think of Oprah
as a spiritual consultant. I am a psychic medium. Okay,
Dave Strader said that, gey But okay, I'm cheesy.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, you know what, And you know, I get
reluctant saying that term too, because a lot of people
don't like being labeled with a term with that term.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's the last thing I want to
hear is a celebrity that takes them more spiritual than
they are. I think, well, like Oprah this month on
her magazine, she's got a cell phone pointed at herself
like she's taking a selfie. I'm just waiting for her
pap smeares to be on the cover. I just you know,
if I don't keep if I don't keep the blade
close to me, yes, yes, so I'm basically see dead
people and not only dead people. It's better than that,
you know.
Speaker 6: Well, then let's let's get right into that then, because
you know that's where we get into the meat of
this show. And so let me ask you the question
is when did you first realize that you had some abilities,
were able to see things or hear things that other
people were not.
Speaker 3: It's sort of the mediumship happened to me pretty much
like that just dropped on me from the sky quite
suddenly in one particular instance. And when I look back
at things, and most people can do this if you
just really get a blank book and write down all
the times in your life that you've known more than
what song comes on the radio or who's on the phone.
All of us have some psychic ability. There's lots of
ways to get to the other side, like the lucinogenic drugs,
astral travel, near death. I'm like a radio and I
want to say this right off. When it happened to me,
the first thing I thought was not, oh gosh, I
must be special chosen. I do think I'm special, but
for other reasons. The first thing I thought was that,
wait a minute, this is happening to other people, and
also the fact this is alarming but true. There are
people with no moral compass at all who possess profound
psychic gifts. So that's kind of the only reason I
outed myself. Believe me, nobody's eyes roll back faster. I'm
going great sitcom star from another century suddenly has this
new thing. I've been doing it for about I call
them drive bys for maybe eight years, and several months
ago a mutual friend said why don't you do this
for money? And I said, I'm afraid my abilities would diminish,
and I was afraid of exposure. I thought maybe it
would go away or something. And I'm glad that all
this stuff i'd been doing has been practiced. But the
mediumship part happened pretty suddenly, and the rest of it
I think I'd just always been psychic and didn't pay
that much attention to it. It's just like one of
my sixes, you know.
Speaker 6: Are you able to talk about what was the event
or what was the yea the time we.
Speaker 3: Had that, and it sounds I was with my girlfriend Claire,
and the reason I tell that we went into a
walmart and I knew this elderly greeters name is mister Henry.
And that night it was late at night, and i'd
been real sick. I'd been very, very sick. I think
maybe my defenses were down or something. And I turned
around and I can't remember the sequence of questions except
that suddenly his grandfather identified first and last name, the
city where he was born. There's several specific I'm an
evidential medium. That means I'm not going to just say
I have a grandfather energy here and not all the time.
By the way, nobody's dead on but on the which
side it's on, just different things about them. Whereas my
mom says, let me get this straight. People give you
money and you tell them stuff they already know. But anyway,
after I said about seven things and they were all right,
I felt high in a good way. I felt like
just in the zone. And this old man looked at
me and said, now this is in north almost in Appalachia.
He said, miss Brett, you've got the shining. And I
was embarrassed. I looked at my girlfriend and said, oh
my god, I see dead people. And then she shocked me.
She said, I've been waiting for you just to know this.
And she's an art teacher who's my age, normal woman.
Kid's husband had been an accident at seventeen that killed
everyone but her, including her father, and she'd been psychic
since then. And I asked her, what may anyway several
things that I'd indicated before. She kind of knew this
about me, so it didn't scare me, but it was weird.
I thought it was just some like maybe the way moon,
the phase of the moon. I didn't know what it was.
For a couple of years. I thought, Okay, you guys
know that a good used car salesman could seem to
be psychic, right, yes, you know like that. There's just
ways people help you. That's why I don't like looking
at people when I'm giving them a reading, because they
give you too many hints. So I would just I would,
I forget. I could do it until i'd be out someplace,
and it was a weird way to go up to
someone and go, I know this sounds crazy, but I'm
sort of psychic. And I would do it almost apologetically,
and it just kept passing. So and I remember this
twenty years ago. It's not I don't think it's important
who she is. But a pretty famous medium told me
Gary Shanling introduced me to her and said you've got
to get a reading, and I made fun of them.
I said, oh, you're out in la and believe all
that stuff. The first thing she told me when she
started the reading was you can do what I can do.
So a few years ago I wrote her a letter
thanking her for the heads up and telling her that
I was giving readings. And here's what she wrote back,
be careful. You don't know all the rules, and I
was sort of surprised. I realized it was probably proprietary,
and I made my mind up to learn what those
rules were, and they involved protection basically. So I think
if I keep my sense of humor and don't you
know and don't overshoot, I do think of it as
a gift. I didn't ask for it, and I love
having it, and it seems to be I don't I'm
not afraid it don't go away anymore. So I hope
I answered your question. It is a weird thing to
talk about. I just know I can do this most
of the time.
Speaker 5: Well, I've worked on some of the television series with
psychics and work with a couple here locally, and Mark
certainly knows some. And I have to tell you something.
I tell people, you really can't understand how game changing
it is until you've worked with these folks like yourself
and find out, you know what. I don't have any
explanation for it in technical terms and scientific terms, but
once you've either observed someone like you at work or
have had stuff revealed to you that there's no possible
way that an individual could know, that's it. You can't
put that genie back in the bottle once again. And
Mark and I have said this many times on the
show that we're the best beneficiaries of what goes on
in this show because we learned so much, and as
an investigative journalist, my eyes have been widened every week
we do the show. And uh, it's got to be,
in my mind, kind of a balancing act because you
realize how unique your your you know, this blessing is
that you have, and how powerful it is, And so
I imagine there's a there's a tempering of Hey, you know,
I've got something here that has some real serious consequences
for the people I interact with. Is that a Is
that a fair statement.
Speaker 3: Or no, it is. And by the way, I love
uh the investigative part of it, my left brain and
I'm not being set fist. Men get born with the
more developed left brain. One could argue that the left
brain math and science built the world, and one could
argue that the right brain intuition and watercolor makes it
more livable. My left brain was a flabby, quadriplegic when
I started doing this. I when I discovered mediumship, I
discovered my inner skeptic. I really put myself through. I
made this. Have I put it. I demand evidence to
It's really important to stay to stay critical. And I
don't mean babies in bath water. And I do respect criticism.
I think sometimes some of the people who are skeptical
have have have thrown the babies out with the bath
water just because I'm in a world where I believe.
This doesn't mean I believe in reptilians and fast Watch
and all of a sudden, I mean, it's like every
door is open, you know. I try and be open
minded about other things too. There are two things that
can block a reading. I thought that if I was
reading someone who is skeptical, no one would come through.
And that's not true. Really, yeah, it's really not And
and and I'm very careful around people with this. It
is a sometimes if I you know, it comes up,
then I'm psychic or a medium. I can tell people
are afraid. They get scared, and they don't have anything
to be afraid of, like walls go up. And and
I said to my manager once, I said, oh, you know,
I felt so bad because I could tell he was
scared around me. I said, I'm not reading you, and
he goes, damn it. I was just thinking that, you know,
I would no more read someone against their will than
I would watch them dress if they forgot to leave
the window and let's the window open? You know.
Speaker 5: Oh well, hell, I do that all the time.
Speaker 3: Why have they think, well, that's that's creation. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well that brings up a very interesting point that I
don't know that I've ever spoken to to a medium about. You.
Do you have the ability then to to read someone's
thoughts in your presence as well? Is that is that? Because?
Speaker 3: Yes, but I don't do it. I don't do it.
I do not. You remember a long time ago, I'm
bewitched when Samantha would not use her witchcraft to clean
the house, and my mom said, then she should give
it to somebody who will. Wow. I feel that way.
Yes I can, and sometimes, like I said, I forget.
I can do it until spirits come around. If I'm
in a big public place, I will get sometimes really
Christ for help or what I hear a lot of
I'll see and I'll look in center and I'll see
it will be on the person who may be laughing
the hardest, and I sort of check with spirit. I go,
really that person, there's an sos. And now I have
a friend who is uh has been mediumistic since birth.
She sees dead people like partially formed and suffering. I
could not. I could not abide that. That's not how
I see them. But in answer to your question, yes
I can. But I never even if they're a butt head,
even if there's somebody that is a jerk or malevolent,
I do not invade them.
Speaker 5: What about if they have there's zill will directed towards you.
I mean, does that come through no matter whether.
Speaker 3: You're it doesn't bother me. I'm sure I see that
it doesn't bother me. It bothers me less about me.
Then I have a problem with people who are bullies
to other people. I have to be real careful that
I don't get out my lightning bolts. You know, I
ask Spirit to intercede. That there's always something look, you know,
my stin skin aside. It's never about me. If I've
learned anything in life, this has nothing to do with
being psychics. It's never personal, especially when it seems personal.
And sometimes people who are victims keep signing up for it.
They are just so used to it that they and
then they want to go, well, help me, it's not fair,
and I want to go, no, it's not, but you're
comfortable with it.
Speaker 5: You keep standing next to the punching bag.
Speaker 3: That probably exactly exactly, And it's in that old game rock,
paper scissors. I never understood why paper covered rock. I think,
I think underline think. I think that's about love and
ultimately how forceful it is. So even though all psychics don't,
you know, I have a long way from perfection. When
I get mad or judgmental, I've learned to try and
hold and just kind of say that's when I say
help to Spirit, like, let me see this from a
bigger perspective. You know, Usually the pause of that stuff
is pain in someone Pain or fear makes people act
that way.
Speaker 6: Well, you just touched on a point there too, and
you mentioned it a little bit earlier. You know, having
psychic abilities in no way at all infers that that
person is spiritually advanced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you wouldn't know to hear some psychics.
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, I have been around some psychics.
I've dealt with some personally. I've been around these so
called famous ones and I'm not going to mention any names.
And you know, the ones, especially the ones who are
quote unquote famous and on TV that I have met,
have been absolute, you know, stuck up jerks, and they
think the world the sun signs and shut sets on
their butt and they you know, they're rude to people.
Speaker 1: They've been rude to me.
Speaker 6: And these are the people like, hello, I'm sorry. You know,
if it wasn't for us, you wouldn't be where you
are now.
Speaker 3: And well, you know what surprises me too is a
bunch of them will not say when they don't get
a hit. And nobody is one hundred percent. When I
started reading, I go the part of it that's the mediumship.
I go, Look, don't just answer yes or no, do
not help meet with anything. I think it's real important
that stuff come from Stuart. And it's like and not
to feel bad when they say no, because you'll hear
I go as in a man's name, does it start
with this? Doesn't sound like this because it's it comes
in that way, and you tell people want to help you.
And this has been going on. Early in the reading.
I can tell whether I'm going to get anything or not,
and I'll go like this, you know what, I think
I probably have to give your money back. I'm just nope,
sorry enough that's coming through. And when I say that,
and when I'm willing to concede, somehow things just start
piling in. Things start coming in. I guess it's surrender
of a sort. And a lot of the time it
has to do with the person that they I know.
I know people have shifted their opinions of mediumship in
the middle of readings. But when when the psychic is famous,
it's hard, it's it's it's I mean, but they that's
a real important time to stay humble. That's when you
have to every single day. It's like sobriety. I have
today sober and I've managed to, you know, be that way.
For it will be seventeen years in July. But I
just have it a day at a time. And that's
how I have this thing too. The minute I take
it for granted I've handled this way I've handled I wasn't.
I didn't handle star them as well as I would
have liked. I did a lot of stuff right, and
I did a lot of stuff wrong. So and it
was I did come through hell and high water on
my own. So this is every day here. As you said,
as the rest of the show, every day above ground
is a bonus. Yes, I do think people do have abilities,
and I encourage people like at the end of the callbook,
But would you tell my mom this? I go. The
whole point of this is so that you know that
you can tell her these things directly. Cool and you
don't need a middle I know what they call it
a medium because I'm in between those people and some
people want readings too soon after the second one. I
don't want to do that either. I don't want to
box or dependency.
Speaker 6: My only problem that I've really had, and I have
worked with, you know, with my background as a paranormal investigator,
and I've been investigating for over fifteen years now, and
I've worked with several psychics in the past, and you know,
what I've learned in that that, you know, the people,
they all have varying levels of abilities. What gets me, though,
is the few of them who are trying to make
a name for themselves or they do the gallery readings,
and they try to do it for money and they're
trying to make do it as their full time work,
that they're not honest with themselves on what their limitations are.
And then they start falling into the trap of cold
performing cold readings, you know, letting, you know, letting the
audience lead them, or starting off by, you know, doing
a gallery reading saying oh, yeah, I know somebody in
your is having problem with their knee. Okay, well that's
like three quarters of.
Speaker 1: The audience right right, And you know, and I've seen.
Speaker 6: Them actually do things that convince me they do have abilities.
But then they're also falling into the old trap because
they've got to keep the money flowing in.
Speaker 1: And I'm not one of these.
Speaker 6: And I talked to you about this the other day
when we when we first talked, is you know I
in the past, I used to think that you shouldn't
charge money for it because it's a spiritual gift. And
now I'm realizing, well, you know, if somebody's coming to
you and they're asking for a service, then there's you
have every single right to be compensated for that service.
And there's nothing wrong with it. It's the people who
are going out there and trying to sell themselves and stepping,
I guess, beyond their reach and their abilities and to
try to like bring in more and more people for
them instead of just hey, okay, here's my service. Do
you want me to help you find? This is my fee?
And I do this, and you know, I applaud you
and respect you for the fact that you've been able
to say nope, I'm not getting nothing, here's your money back.
Speaker 1: More of them should.
Speaker 6: Really do that, because it's not an exact science. It
doesn't happen all the time.
Speaker 3: And well, well some people, you know what, I'll never
need money so much for it. There's some people I know,
and it doesn't happen very often that they we're saving
their money. Well, I don't want their money. It's just
not worth the read, it's not worth time, it's not
worth tangling with that energy and you're right about. There
was a woman. She doesn't need to be named, but
she was was a terrific author of some of the
most demystifying and uplifting metaphysical information. She could basically tell
anybody how to go from zero to sixty embracing your
own abilities. And I did for kudos for that. But
in recent years she has fallen under the publish or
parish thing where she thinks she's got to write like
a book a week or something, and gosh, they're basically
about leprechaun farts. Now, I just gotten fighting ridiculous love.
And when you do that, when you add too much
to the fire, I want to go. Look you you
were talking about things that are sacred, that the Indians
had a thing called ho hookee, the parts of the
people in the tribe who used to mock the sacred
to make it more accessible. And I got I was
proud to get it. The other day I got my
first year going to hell for doing this letter. And
I remember thinking, I will where sunscreen is, heaven is
with people like you.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, yeah, well that's true. That's you know, you
bring up some very interesting points, and I the strange
dichotomy and Mark and I and I I actually was
very close to a situation like that in in the
area of UFO UH investigations, where the reality of it is,
you know, you you don't say to a painter, well,
you're really going to charge me for this oil painting
you've spent the last three years on or and yet
you don't tell the plumber you should be doing it
for free because you do. You know, you make you
sweat joints pretty nicely, and they're nice and clean, So
what is wrong with you providing a service and charging
for it? And the other side of that coin is
the reality you know, I really don't need a hobby
uh and I like to feed myself and keep the
lights on in the house. So what is unethical about that?
I think, as Mark says, if it's presented open and
above the board, with some state of humility for the
unique gift you have. How let me ask you a
practical question, how do you are you doing readings full time?
What's what's the logistics of how you do it?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: I don't, just because I actually have And there's one thing,
and I want of these toy people that won't talk
about it. But I'm very excited. I have a show
in development. Yeah baby yet work. Yeah, I'm very excited.
And I'm also trying to write another book. So I suppose,
like my buddy Joe, who told me he does thirteen
readings a day, Uh, there's no way I'm going to
do that, Manny, I get you, really, you can get
fried out doing that. So but I'm I'm booked up.
I'm booked, And I had to send a note out
to people going because you are responding, there's going to
be a little bit of a delay and some side
you have to book into next year. So I don't
feel bad about making people wait. When they have me,
they have my complete attention. And uh, if anything I have,
Joe had to help me with this. I have a
hard I had a hard time hanging up when the
time was over. I stopped doing one and a half
and two hour readings because you know, frankly, if the
psychic needs longer than that, you're you know, you're really
dazzling with something else.
Speaker 5: Did you, I'm sorry to me, what network you're doing?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I didn't. I didn't And well, I'm
just I'm excited because it kind of came. It kind
of came out of the blue and it involves yeah,
and it does feel good because I turned down reality
shows that just want to you know, I just those
are so unpleasant for the most part. The ones I
like are so trashy, like cops and stuff like that. Anyway,
I actually wish I could use this for uh. I
would never problicize it if I did, but I wish
there were cops with open minds who would ask me
about things, because I would like to use this for
you know, if there's a way it could help people.
I do know psychicks that will will not use it
to help cops because of the karma rules. I try
not to quarrel with anyone else's beliefs on this.
Speaker 5: You know, well that's true, that's for each But Psychic
Detectives I think was one of the best television shows
ever and one of the most felling, and that was
on Ane and I don't know why it was discontinued
because you know, to juxtapose chief of police, a detective,
a state trooper, an attorney general and say, hey, look,
I don't know how this person did this.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of cops out there who are
so psychic and they know it, they just don't call
it that. They're really heroic. And by the way, Chip
Coffee was doing an amazing show where he helped children,
and that is so important because so many children are
coming into the I mean, there are poor little things
are third eyes opening and people are freaked out about it.
Chip was not only demystifiant, he was helping protect them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we you know, speaking of phenomenon phenomenon, Chip was
down there. What was the last year mark when we
were down there.
Speaker 1: He's been down there the last couple of years.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's going to be there, it
would have been And what an honest sincere. You know,
that man's in it for all the right reasons to
help add a lesson he's got.
Speaker 3: Like laser vision and what he did, he's sort of
I really wish there were two of him. One he
could help with show his parents, because most kids w
show this their parents should be in federal prison. Chip
was just he knows the right things. And you know
when you said that a while ago about you know,
I saw an amazing UFO. I just want to say this.
When I was twenty one and really it was. It
was beautiful and even made me sad when it left.
It was like a close encounter of the third Time
movie moment. And I think it was just my thoughts
that people had been confusing angels and aliens maybe for
thousands of years.
Speaker 5: Wow, this is something Mark and I have been discussing
with a lot of our guests, the crossover that maybe
there is is not a line of demarcation between what
we think is spiritual. And I find more and more
evidence to support exactly what you said, that maybe we
just don't understand that they're all one of the same continuum.
And I think you have a very good insight into that,
and we could talk about it.
Speaker 3: You know, there's probably and there's probably fallen angels or
malevolent extraterrestrial entities, and I can say so with certainty
that I will not have to tangle with them. It's
not because I'm special, it's just the way it lined
up in this life. And I do believe a lot
of people who are called they prefer to be called
experiencers versus abductees.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: I'm just very glad that that experience or implants aren't
part of my loop that I go.
Speaker 6: In We've had many of those experiencers on our shows,
and some of them are actually good friends of ours.
So yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from. The
from there, because especially with what a few of them
are going through right now, it's not fun.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've also heard some of them say
so gladly that they were not well, they were not
chosen this, that it's transforming them.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, how could it not? You know, here my approach,
over all these years, forty years of being in media,
I am a very skeptical if you will, but not
in a negative sense, but just a cautious investigator. That's
that always has that little guy on my shoulder saying,
don't forget as you go through this, what if? What
if this is real? Think of the consequences and what
a you know, I feel sorry, and I don't say
this in an arrogant way. I feel sorry for the
for the poor woman or man that goes through life
and sees nothing beyond their daily drudgery and existence that
doesn't understand that there are things that are readily available
and and objectively provable that we don't understand. The change
everything about how mundane a survival.
Speaker 3: All that off exact exactly. Cheekspeare said it right when
he said there are more things than heaven and Earth
that you have dreamed of a ratio. It's when we
when we lose the ability to be capable of childlike wonder.
And I know that's where skeptics run in, going aha,
that's where he got you that it is wishful thinking
or delusion. It's uh. I can't quarrel with it. I
don't even show fords it, you know, except how do
these things help? And it's one thing that I have
in common with a lot of mediums. Every time it happens,
I hope, I hope. I can't see today where I'll
be jaded enough where when specific information comes in as
in names, first and last names, there's there's no way.
And I can't do this. If I scratch my face
up like Tabitha Samantha's kid, I'm be wished. I can't
do it.
Speaker 5: I can't make that analogy. But I also think, and
this is a total aside, forgive me, Mark, I'm going
to take you down a side street here, but go
for I think there's there's far we have far too
much of the mentality of ethyl krabits in this country anymore.
We got people look at you, sticking their nose in
everybody else's business and watching what you're doing. And right, exactly,
I guess obviously we watched the same show as while
we were growing up.
Speaker 3: But she's a stab ribbing harpy and you know what,
And don't think I don't know I have something in
common with her. If I resent something, God knows, I
resemble it. So Nancy Grace and I are both expressive,
you know, but righteous Southern women. But I just I
don't want to. I don't want to ever be so
sure of myself about meeting out punishment the way she is.
And I you know, it's it was a lesson for.
Speaker 1: Me to see her, Nancy Grace, heck and Colter.
Speaker 3: Oh and Coulter, Well, that's just you know, the things
I've done in this life, I've never done that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, What can I ask you some practical questions
on how how you go through the process? Do you
do you have Is there a team on the other
side that you interact with on a regular basis, or
it is just you know, folks.
Speaker 3: Will somebody asked me like several months ago, like and
she just seems so sure. I know. She goes, what
are your spirit guide's names? And I went, I don't know.
I Neette and Carlos. I have no idea. It's not
because I'm cowed. It's just there's a place on the
other side that is so past names. I do something
that I consider important about protection. I say it, it's
something it's beyond words, but I actually do say. You
guys know Robert Monroe from the Neroe Institute out of body, well,
he was so so so beautifully left brain. He and
his team wrote a technical induction that basically says, we
deeply decide desire the assistants understand of soul that our
level of experience and beyond, and we ask for protection
from anything that would provide us when less than our
stated desires. That when he began to do that fifteen
years after his first obees, a profound different happened in
their experiences, both collectively and individually. That they were shown
by a plurality of highly intelligent spiritual entities, things that
we're illuminating in specific like past life ways all the
way to higher consciousness. So I'm mystified by that. It's
sort of like I see there's dead loved ones, and
beyond that there are spirit guides, and then I know
angel just means messenger, and apparently they can take on
human form because we vapor. Luck if we saw that
light and people have high vibrations, that helps the reading.
And sometimes right before, right before I have the appointment,
I will get like well one d I inferticular. For
the first few minutes for the call, I kept hearing
a buzzing in my ear and I didn't think I
was going to get anything for him, And finally I
blurted out, do you have tonightis? And when the guy said, God, yes,
at that moment, the buzzing in my ear stopped.
Speaker 5: Wow. So how do you explain that?
Speaker 3: I don't know unless it's the impath part of me.
And I don't know how to break this down into
all the different clayers, clairvoyance, clor ghosts, stuff like that.
But when a particular thing is coming up for me strongly,
when they're trying to give me audio, it almost always
involves the fact that the person to whom I'm speaking
has a gift in this particular area. I want to
lie all the time, but most of the time we're.
Speaker 5: Coming up on our break real quick and we'll be back.
I want to leave you with this concept we had
Marty Roseblatt on a couple months ago. Was fascinating in
a remote viewer if you're familiar with that. And I
continually look as Mark knows at where the tangents of
where the unquote scientific community that that side of life
is now just you know, punching around the edges of
things that they always dismissed as being fufu and nonsense
for years, And once again I'm looking at, you know,
the writings of people, the beliefs of many world religions
of all types, and how this you know, I'm trying
to read to draw a common thread through this as
we learn more about it. And when we come back,
i'd like to have you, you know, give your thoughts
on that. I mean, you're in it and you handle it,
and you are a practitioner of a very amazing set
of capabilities, and you know, what are your thoughts when
we come back after the breakout on that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's time for us to go to break.
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Speaker 6: And welcome back to everybody to Unknown Organs Radio here
on the Darkner Radio Network. I'm Mark Johnson, your host,
and joining me is our co host Bruce Pearson, and
we are talking tonight with actress, comedian, author, and psychic
medium Brett Butler. And Bruce, you were asking some questions
just before we wanted to go on the when we
went on the break, and I was wondering if you
could just summarize that real quick and we'll see what
Brett has to say about that.
Speaker 5: So Brett does, is the left half and the right
half of your brain having a fistfighter? Are they shaking
hands in water?
Speaker 3: They're shaking hands more than ever. But my right side
has to chill out sometimes, and on my left. I'm
out of my left brain for even stepping into the phrase,
because it would be like me taking you know, say
teaching advanced math. But that way it would be laughable.
There are people with impeccable academic crudentials, Thank goodness. I'm
giving an example Larry Dawsy, MD, who wrote a wonderful
book about precognition and how it has served humanity four
thousands of years. And sometimes when people just hear that
regular people have access to these gifts, they they I'll
just tryed it like this. I was a really great waitress,
and I will wash a waiter or a waitress carrying
the tray with a great deal of trepidation, and I
will say, don't look at the tray. Your body knows
how to balance it right. And if they hear me
in it, they're flying across the room with that tramp
in their hands, with all those plates on it. There's
a place right next to our conscious thought. That doesn't
mean it's mindless or that we're making it up, but
that's why they call it intuition. And Bob and Roe's
theory about it, it's an interesting one, is that we're
born on a beautiful planet where we cannot just see
beautiful things on the earth. We can see the stars,
and our ability to communicate in nonverbal ways has diminished
because of all these exciting things outside of us. And
part of the experience is that other people have had
in out of body exploration have to do with, you know,
places where nonverbal communications just required. I think we're moving
towards a telepathic society. One hundred years ago. This is
just me. I think it was the golden age of
mediumship because of World War One and influenza. It was
the first time in recorded history. Well maybe it's exception
of the plague in the Dark Ages where that many
people were leaving the earth, and one hundred years ago
you could be an intelligent, upstanding member of society and
deeply interested in spiritualism and not laughed at like you know,
people like William James and Sir Arthur Cone Boyle. They
studied it and they and they stopped all over people
who were faking it too. You know, I'm in a
carnival now where some of the people really can seem
to they're like magic acts. They seem like they have
the gifts, but they don't. I'm not here to judge them.
It's everybody, you know, I'm an entertainer. But if people
who are you know, engaged, like Gary Schwartz and Arizona
who studied this academically and people at them in Row Institute,
the more work these people do, the better it is
for all of us to access the stuff.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you mentioned that you think we may
be going into a more being, a coming a psychic society,
and you know, one of the things that you know,
in all the research that I've done and talking with people,
I actually feel that it was quite possible. We used
to be a highly psychic society before. If you if
you go back to most cultures have have a story
of a great flood and that destroyed society of the world,
and then you could find that, you know, whether it's
in the Bible or any other culture around the planet.
But yet there's also these long standing cultures that they
talked about before. Then with you know, have Atlantis or
Lemuria or any of these highly advanced civilizations that you know,
whatever reason they were destroyed, there's a possibility always looked
at there's a kernel of truth in most legends, and
it seems that it's quite possible we are born with
this ability.
Speaker 1: We've had it.
Speaker 6: I think it got kind of taken away from us,
and we've been living in these dark ages for these
last five ten thousand years, whatever it is, and now
we're getting to a point where it's we have a
potential to bring it back. And then at the same time,
I also see what's happening with us with society, with
all the flashy toys and gadgets and everything that's distracting
us every five minutes, that that is a detriment to that.
Speaker 5: I would like to enhance that because I think you're
right on Mark, and i'd like to get Brett's opinion
of this. I think that's it's a dichotomy that even
though as we advance and is something as simple in
paranormal investigations to have the recording equipment as a broadcast
engineer that allows us to do absolutely spectacular, high quality
digital recording that will allow us to evaluate evidence that
we collect by the same token. And here's the perfect
you know, as far as I'm concerned, the poster child
for how how disengaging technology is sit in a you know,
next time you're in a TGI Fridays or someplace, sit
and watch two teenagers texting each other and they're they're
within arm's length of the technology serves a purpose to
distance us from each other and blocks any kind of that.
So I think it. I think it works in both directions.
And they're a counter you know, counter capabilities. I don't
know what is that a kind of a crazy concept
or do you think that that's a valid observation.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's real. And the parents and I've noticed
over the last twenty thirty years it's like I used
to tell my mother, like, I'm bored, and in that
time of being bored, that kid, a kid has a
chance to day dream, right, And I suppose I had
I had a mean a friend's mean mother used to say,
if you're bored, you're boring, which I got, come on,
she's eight years old. That's a bit much. But in
that in that off time where parents, I guess, we're
so afraid my kids will in that minute run off
of the bad ground or start taking drugs. We all
know babies talk to the corner of rooms before they
can they're babbling to something. When we come in and speech,
the necessity for speech is rightly pulls us away from
that spirit world. It's why I'm glad I don't walk
around knowing about my past life because I have to
turn left and clean tat box within this one, right,
But every now and then the other side signals. And
the fact is is that there are things we can
only do in this skin that we can't do over there.
And I think they help us, they root for us
in a lot of ways. You're right. I think technology
it hasn't it hasn't failed us, and perhaps there's a
way to Like you said, the equipment is. I knew
some guys in North Georgia that were Civil War reenactors
and they were really die hard. They'd even played Yankees,
so but they kept having so much stuff come across
in EVP and video and even one on one apparitions
that they fell out, regrouped and came back. Is a
paranormal investigating group with a really high standard of evidential proof.
And I ask them because what they're doing in their case,
and this is my only argument with some of the
shows where they punk grossed. You know, they go into
a place where a hideous history and scream and try
to start. That's like me going into a kindergarten classroom,
finding the biggest five year old girl and telling her
I could kick her butt. It's it's it's kids stuff,
you know. But at a bigger level, imagine when you
guys are talking about that event you're having here Gettysburg,
which is pretty much if there's any sacred ground in
the country of things where paranormal proof and also historical
importance collides, that's a great place to find it. So
if you're smart and your closet thing, and there are
people I know that are ashamed of this, they'll tell me,
you know, professionals in a confidential way. Like so, I
never wanted to tell anyone this, but I swear after
my dad died, I saw him or something. I go,
you did did?
Speaker 6: But see when I was growing up with my parents,
and you know, my mother a lover, but you know,
I had some strange experiences when I was young. I
heard somebody calling my name on more than one occasion.
I thought sometimes thought it was with my mother, and
I go, what did you want? She goes, I didn't
call you? And so that happened a few times. And
then but then if I thought I saw something, whatever,
what's the first thing ever out of her mouth?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's your imagination.
Speaker 6: She absolutely refused to believe in anything, and she always
made sure to tell us it was our imagination, or
you dreamed it, or you're making it up.
Speaker 3: You know, well, it happened to your mom too. That's
why it's disconcerting, to say the least, to see to
see things like that. And it also ships generations. You know,
it's hard for me to uh in. One of the
things the left brain negotiates better than the right brain
is fear. And I learned this from reading Robert Monroe's
books He went through because I'll call it the lower
astral level. I think when light and love and purpose
conspire to advance or multiply, that adversarial energy can come around.
And the first mistake is in taking it personally, because
it will manifest in scary ways, like something that says
it'll sit on your chest before you're about to go
to slut, things that you know, I just I don't
want to deal with. But Robert Monroe, and you read
in his books he was terrified and would just keep
his mind on like the next best thing, like he
would demand to be protected or think of love and
it would it would help. And that also there's an
abundance of stuff. Kevin Williams website on near death Experiences
is another great way to study it. I'm just a radio.
There's a lot of them. There's a lot of spirits
that are tickled, and I'm a medium, and there's a
bunch that don't like that would prefer to use another medium.
You know, how do they how.
Speaker 5: Do they explain that to you?
Speaker 3: Do they It's it's because i've because they've kind of
I know, it sounds crazy. They let me know because
it was, you know, unless I make the mistake of
being flattered that there are you know, one one in particular,
it was one of my first, uh, one of my
first uh. My my friend's father came through and after
she was gone, I noticed that he was around and
I'm not going to say he was a spirit guy,
but he was kind of it's weird. So she was
gone and I was like, well, he's still here, and
he said, no, this is this is just they show
me how it works, and then I get I'll be
like I'll be made aware of some literature about this,
and I've studied this for thirty years, but I study.
I'm an interested person. I have books about a lot
of things. I love history, anthropology, art, and suddenly I
would find like that if you look up Paget messages
for example, P A D G E T T. I
went to my tablet the other night and it was
on something completely different, and that website was up for me.
It's less about the messages than explaining mediumship almost one
hundred years ago. Just the way that it comes through.
I don't it's a coincidence. I could have my cat
could have walked on it. I have no idea why.
But when people feel like I just say this, look,
don't let it cap you on the shoulder for thirty
years like it did me. Just pay attention to what if?
What if this is possible? It doesn't happen. You don't
have to quit your day job and put out a
shingle and buy a crystal ball. As a matter of fact,
please don't do that.
Speaker 5: Well, I think just having it be open minded enough
to say, you know, if this were real, is that
not a game changer? That it puts everything it pales
all the problems we have to deal with. I mean,
is tough.
Speaker 3: Game changer is the absolute way, and that's why I'm
so fascinated with exopolitics. If you guys remember when several
years ago the Vatica and made this very calm announcement
that extraterrestrials will be our brothers and sisters in Christ.
I heard that when I'm in the room with my mom,
and my mother said, you think somebody's on the need
to know list, like if people don't want to pay
their bank notes. Now, imagine if that announcement were made, you.
Speaker 5: Know, Well, and why are the Jesuits running the most
powerful terrestrial telescope you know in the Western hemisphere? Are they?
Speaker 3: I love when science and this deism bump. Fanny's in
the nice guy that's just going to be just amazing, amazing.
Gays are ahead, you guys.
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm saying, Yeah, Mike, and I heard
Mark's heard me say this many times, you know, when
mainstream science is sticking its nose under the tent here
a little bit. So I think that no matter how
you you know, as simplistic as it sounds, whether we
whether we answer some of these questions about you know,
string theory, multiverse, alternate theoretical universe. And I'm certainly not
a physicist or theoretical physicists. But whether we figure out
what's what's going on and explain it in our lifetime
or ten lifetimes, if we don't blow ourselves up or
burn ourselves up or whatever it will, there will come
a point where we understand there's no doubt. I mean,
as an engineer, there's no doubt. People like you, you've
witnessed it. You know, there's no way of telling, you know,
a pilot with thirty thousand hours of what he didn't
see when he knows damn well what he did see.
And I've interviewed many of them, gone all over the
world in cockpit. You're not going to tell people that
those anecdotal pieces of evidence are not real. All right,
If ninety percent of them are misconceptions or misconstruances or
you know, things that that's fine. But sooner or later
we will come to the understanding, just like we came
to the understanding that the Earth is not flat, and
so many other things, that the planes would fly and
so forth, we will come to that understanding that we
just don't understand the physics and the mechan by which
this These are real, functional, actual activities. We just can't
comprehend them anymore than we can see ultraviolet or infrared light.
And yet we know that spectrum is there because we
see what it does. I think that's a perfect analogy
for how ignorant we are in the most literal and
positive sense of the work.
Speaker 6: Well, I bring up this analogy all the time, the
fact that one hundred years ago trying to explain radiation
or even measuring it, and now we have a Geiger
counter and you can measure the amount of radiation that
you know. I feel that for a lot of not
only psychic abilities, paramanormal events. You know, the skeptics say, well,
where's the proof, where's the proof. We're not at that
technological level yet to find a way to measure it,
to give that kind of proof, because I think a
lot of mechanics are still just beyond our comprehension and
we're not sure how to measure. Now we can measure
the effects. And again we've mentioned our friend David Rowntree
on the show many times and some of the work
that he has been doing with measuring what seems to
be what you would refer to as portals opening and
a type of Einstein rosenbridge that gives off gamma radiation.
He's measured that radiation, and that radiation spikes whenever there's
paranormal activity, and then when that portal seems to close
the end, the energy disappears, the activity stops. Same thing
where he did some experiments working with psychics, and when
a psychic medium such as yourself was starting to receive impressions,
he started measuring a location where this gamma ray burst
was coming from, where an Einstein rosenbridge was opening. There's
that portal and the information was coming through and the
psychic was able to pick it up. So we're getting
to a point where we can certainly measure some of
the effects, but I still think we have a ways
to go to be able to definitively measure it. And then,
of course you're going to get a lot of push
and shove from other mainstream scientists who may be are
you know, they're also religious and it goes against their
religious beliefs.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, And but if you look at how this communication,
and let's let's just label it in the broadest sense
of communication, how many different disparate entities from Nikola Tesla
to you know, the Hopies, to mister Paget, I mean
James Paget, he as you discussed the Paget messages, what
you do on a regular basis. The proof is that
whether we look at dark matter, whether we talk about
the continuum or the ether. Uh, look at major world
religions that for thousands of years feel that, I mean,
even the Catholic Church up until the Council of Nicea
believed part of its catechism was reincarnation. Look at the
factional evidence of children that have been reincardinating. There's no
possible way it's been in the British landset. It's been
in the am a journal I mean, there's been doctors
and psychologists and psychiatrists that have documented absolute journalistic you know,
take it to court and you could prove your case
documentation of children that have documented past lives. This this
stuff is not anecdotal or or theoretical. We just don't
understand this. I think it's a unified theory of how communications,
verbal or nonverbal take place in our world. And perhaps
we're slowly dragging ourselves out of the mud. If we
live long enough to answer these questions. You're on a
you know, you are manifesting through what you do, a
real world, verifiable skill and capability that we just don't
have the mechanism, as Mark said, to explain how it works.
But it does work. There's no way of denying it anymore.
You know, in the in the in the past, it
was easy to say, well, I got to get more sleep,
or you know, or and God bless you, I know,
you know, due respect to you, I've got to stop drinking,
or your mom or dad saying you know, you had
a nightmare, just go to bed and shut up. This
is ridiculous. There's nobody in your room crawling around.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Maybe guess what. Maybe these things were happening, but we
just dismissed them because we didn't have the technical capabilities.
It's like taking a nuclear sub and dropping it in
the middle of the Spanish Armada. They couldn't deny that
it was there, but they certainly didn't know what the
hell it was or how it worked. And I think
that that's a reasonable way to say, yeah, look, you
got to take it a step at a time.
Speaker 3: Well, I have Well, I think that many people, for example,
are institutionalized because they just don't know where the voices
are coming from.
Speaker 5: Well what about that? What about people that are doped
up because you know you've got something, And let's face it,
there are chemical problems and certainly illnesses and so forth.
But yeah, what about how many people that really had
somebody taking Let me ask you something though, Brett and
I think this is an important point. Do you see
the people that to communicate with you or do you
merely hear them? Is it an audible both?
Speaker 3: It's both, And again I have a friend that sees
them like it's like the movie. Does she sees them
walking around? That would be first of all, I think
she needs to ask for greater protection. And as soon
as we ask for it, it's given us. But it's
although I'm able to describe physical and identifying things. Again,
it changes. It goes from Claire buoyant to Claire audience,
often depending on the person's energy to whom I'm speaking,
Wow it. And again, anybody that says in the old
days when you had to joggle a dial to get
the station more clearly there you go to stations that way.
Speaker 5: I've said this a million times, just like the old
m radios where you got two stations on this at
the same time. That may be what's happening, either that
late frequencies a little off of us or them. Because
there's so many anecdotal descriptions of WHOA they were shocked
to see me as I was to see them, or
they were freaked out.
Speaker 3: I've said, well, if you guys heard of what was
his name, Friedrich Jurgensen was a guy who and he
was a renaissance man. I mean he was like an
opera singer. He painted the commission portraits of the popes.
He was an amateur ornithologist. One day he was listening
to bird calls that he had recorded and heard a
voice saying, freedom freedl Is that you, my little freedel.
It was his deceased mother that launched him into a
decade long investigation of after death communication. And he was
friends with an international assortment of bona fide intellectuals, from
psychologists to physicians to lawyers. And at the end when
they closed their group they shut it down. It wasn't
because they're not getting communication from the dead. He wrote
the most jovial letter. He said, the fact is they're
coming through on our computer. Screens, and this was when
people were just getting computers in their homes. They're coming
through on our televisions, they're coming on the reverse of
audio tapes still and unsealed cartons. And from what I gather,
there are whole schools in the in the great unseen
that are working daily to find different ways to get
in touch with us, and and mediumship is just one
of the ways. And I happen to think it's one
of the ways. Further down the ladder, I've I again,
it's I'm not demeaning it at all, but I think
some of you people who are astronomers and historians are
are working very much intuitively, and you're and that we're
getting help from some really high guides. Wisdom doesn't end
in a lifetime. And you guys have read when people
cross over the after death stories, the first thing they
say is who did you love? And what are you
good at? Because by God you need it over here.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: Let me let me ask you then, in terms of
your experiences, I mean, you've you've mentioned how you pick
up information you and sense these energies when people are
there and the information starts coming. Have you ever had
any other types of experiences and that helps, you know,
kind of validate some of your own thoughts anything in
terms of out of body travel or astral protection or
some type of listeners.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. I talk about that a lot, and
I studied the Monroe books and stuff because there's some
of the more grounded explorations as opposed to going into
things that are truly occult with rituals or things like that.
I don't, as they say where I'm from, I don't
have much truck with that. I'm interested in pragmatic attempts
to figure this out, and I don't think anyone did
a better job than Bob and Roe. There is a
man named William Buehlman who was the living American expert
and out of body experience. His definition of consciousness, by
the way, is so I think it's so cool. He says,
consciousness is non physical energy that extends its influence through
the ball of biological vehicles. Wow, and I love that.
But in his book it Ventures out of the Body,
the whole first part of the book is it's brilliantly written,
but very It's a simple, simply written account of out
of body astral travel on Earth by as recorded by
humans and what happens, and how it's regarded in social
and political ways, and how it's been diminished, and then
the last part of his book, how only has won.
He's got several techniques. And it's funny that I would
see bad people and not be in a big hurry
to leave my body several months ago, and it's probably
because I've been reading about this so much and meditating.
I had an inadverten out of body experience, but I
was very sick at the time, and I saw my
body on the bed just from the ceiling, and I
thought I died and panicked and got right back on
my body. And then I'm glad I did because I
was I think I would have kicked my own butt
just then. I went, oh, damn it. You had a
chance to go fly around. But it scared me. And
that's because my west brain has not done the homework.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I've had experiences where I can't say
if I've ever really had an out of body experience.
I've had some lucid dreams where I fly and let
me tell you you tho now.
Speaker 3: By the way, because it's so cool, because don't it
don't hardly ever have flying dreams anymore. That is awesome.
Speaker 6: Let me tell you something, Not only do I get
them fairly often, I freaking love it, okay, and it
makes me diss It makes me disappointed when I can't
do it in my everyday life because I just want
to spring up off the ground, go flying around the neighborhood,
you know, go floating up and doing whatever I want.
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 6: Happening in dreams, and it's always in a dream like state,
so I but again, I'm still aware enough of it,
and it happens enough that you know, and and when
it happens it not only feels totally natural, I freaking
love it. And then here I come back and I
wake up in the morning, I'm going, damn it.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Now, look, if you want, since that's in your wheelhouse,
I got to tell you that you would probably if
you made a concerted and yet it's hard to say this.
You have to make a concerted but relaxed, gentle effort
with yourself to just do some of the things that
make you more susceptible in that hypnogogic, that pre sleep state.
That's like with Einstein used to take naps, sitting up
with the ball bearing in his hand. When the ball dropped,
he was hurried to gather his thoughts because he believed
that that crossover into the spiritual, into the subconscious. And
scientists have done this stuff. They stimulate the temporal lobes
and that actually makes people feel that they're out of
their body, so they go, aha, see it's scientific. That's
what happens that. You know. They're so anxious to give
an electrical definition to these phenomenal experiences. And maybe in
that way, miracle is not a good word and implies scarcity,
but they're everywhere. But from everything I've read and see
on my own, you are a spit and a fanny
shake away from having OBEs at will, which would be great.
Speaker 5: Is unique. That's a nice way to mante I like
that term.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you also mentioned about with the skeptics
and scientists. You know, they also try to claim that,
you know, these people who have had near death experiences,
and we've talked with many people here on the show
who've had that that you know, they try to explain
away all wits, the synapses in the brain and the
electrons misfiring and causing hallucinations. That doesn't work when the
person is actually literally brain dead for several minutes and
they can't possibly be getting any input, there's no neural
activity whatsoever. And yet they come back and they can
tell the doctors what they've all were.
Speaker 1: Doing in the room during that time, you know.
Speaker 6: And then the science just poop poos it and says, well,
you know, it's the it's just the neurons. It's it's
an it's an illusion, or it's a hallucination. But yet
that's not the case again, because we talked with several people,
and there's many documented cases of some people who've been
dead almost twenty minutes and cannot possibly be hallucinating during
that time.
Speaker 3: I loved the story of George RhoD and Iya, the
Russian man who was run over by the KGB and
in the morgue for three days. He George Ritchie and
thank God for Raymond Moody. At nineteen, I had what
I didn't know was an NDE at the time I
was in the hospital, I had an ectopic pregnancy. And
when I'm lucky because when I came to the little town,
my family, my family doctor who was there, and I said,
I just saw my great grandfather. And also it hurt
when I came back. It hurt my ears really bad.
Just those two things are all I remember. And when
and I had paired and I really was dying, And
I'm not saying I was declared at all I know
is what I said. And when I got back, he
had a chair pulled up and said he was old.
He said, Sugar, you would not believe the beautiful stories
that I hear about. He called it over yonder. And
this was a man who'd worked in emergency rooms and
had seen more people crossed than anyone. He said, there's
no mama that will put it like this, that will
ever be without her baby again.
Speaker 5: Wow. I see. That's how do you refute that, you know?
Speaker 3: And that would be a great anecdotal thing together. I mean,
science be damned. Just go around and ask these people
who have witnessed this stuff. And Raymond Mudy's book Life
after Life was a pioneering book, and then he wrote
one about the psychomanions about how to have that. Why
then are there atheist and agnostic therapists who are actively
using induced after death communication therapies because whatever happens to
their patients, whether they just think they imagine that they saw,
you know, their dad or their son or whatever, or
because of that, five more minutes you want to have
with the deceased. They used to do regularly in a
fear of Greeks. They had priests in the temple underground
in a looklessing pool.
Speaker 5: Well there's you know. I was trained as a paramedic
and worked as a number a year in R and
R OTC and then worked and actually started the first
private ambulance service out here in West Jersey back in
the eighties.
Speaker 3: You've seen, you've seen people leaving.
Speaker 5: I yes, unfortunately, I've had far too many people die
in my hands. Uh, as of many ems workers. And uh,
you know it's I find this very strange and and
if once again to divert but I think it puts
it in context. You know, we all drive like idiots
until we see somebody mangled on the road and then
we slowed out for five minutes, and we still cannot
internalize the fact that that's reality. Uh, until you have
you know, there's certain things in life they're kind kind
of hard to push aside. When you have somebody, you know,
when you've been to war and you have somebody trying
to kill you. That makes a lasting impression when you
have somebody die in your arms, especially a child. Unless
you're a complete dirt bag, you will never forget that
feeling and it and I am so thankful for the
eye opening effect that I and the experiences and my
investigations and my documentaries and this show meeting people like
you that have opened my eyes. I feel sorry for
people who are so confined by their everyday materialistic and
that sounds very arrogant. It's not meant to be. It's
a blessing to me to understand what a game changer
this information is. And you know, I would just say
to people, think about let's go back to your discussion
about when you're a kid. If you're bored, then you're boring.
I would say this, what do practitioners of meditation tell you?
You need to clear all that clutter, that nonsense, that
continual bombardment of communication and technology and information. You need
to quiet your mind, You need to relax and focus
on something beyond that cacophony of of It's so.
Speaker 3: Hard to do. It's like, you know, we're asking. It's
like walking on a beautiful country road and when you
see a bunny rabbit. You can't go, oh, look a
bunny and go chase the bunny. You have to go, oh,
there's a rabbit. Keep on the road, Keep on the road.
It's it's worth that squirming to other out there. There's
a big payoff.
Speaker 1: It's like the dog in that cartoon, like, Hi, I
love you. I'll have a squirrel.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Well for our listen.
Speaker 5: I used to live in New Mexico, and I'll tell
you nothing was more just demonstrable proof of what lies
beyond our daily existence than to go out. I used
to go out outside of town once in a while,
just pull my van off the road, or when I
was riding a motorcycle at night, and just lay down
on the ground and look at that blanket of stars
and understand. You know, if you are totally concerned about this,
the reality of what we have to all deal with,
you know, getting our way through this material existence every day,
that should be enough to let you know it's far
beyond your imagination and hopefully incite people to think a
little bit beyond, you know, all the things that we
have aspire to in the materialistic world. I know that
sounds very esoteric and arrogant, but it's not meant to be.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. I have to yank myself back on the
short leash. I'm having this conversation with you, and then
later I have to go to a meeting and you
watch me. I'll be behind someone who doesn't turn quickly
up at all left light, and you watch what goes
through my head. It's like, it's just terrible.
Speaker 5: I have truly changed my field, and Mark knows this
my look. I now have come to realize that this
is a very short ride that we're on. The clock
is winding down and we I've really come a long
ways to distance myself and say, you know, this bad stuff,
it's all part of the ride, and sooner or later
it'll bottom out and you'll come back, or it's not.
You're not meant to come back, and don't and don't forget.
Nothing's remain static. The good times are not going to
last forever. Enjoy them and treasure them, and the bad
times will end too. And that changes how much I
take the heart you know, the perceived ills that go
I think it's all part of this learning process. That's
a major change for me as a type A personality.
I always been driven to you know, goal oriented, what's
the next step? And so on? And and I'm you know, interesting,
I have I have a commercial driver's license and stuff.
And I used to haul pro paint part time at
night in the winter, you know. And that's like driving
down the road and a bomb waiting for somebody to
cut you off. Uh, people cut me off today. I
you know, I say, hey, well it didn't hit me.
I didn't scratch anything, no no harm, no foul. You know,
next time, maybe I won't be so lucky. I don't
let it bother me anymore because it's just not worth
in the big picture getting upset over and I and
to me, that's amazing achievement in the way I do things.
And I think that what you do has to be
so cathartic. Every time you connect someone with their family, relatives, friends,
and see that the the you know, the startling change
that that that that brings upon them that they'll never erase.
That's that's quite a remarkable blessing that, you know. I
I really envy you for being able to do that.
Speaker 3: Well. I quiet card trick. Okay, I'm the pretty sentimental
person that last week I got it was it was,
so it was emotional for me because of a very
specific kitten came forth to this woman and I described it,
and it had a It was just a weird little
kitten with real long leg that anyway, I described the
spot on a titch. And this woman was in her
seventies and that was her kitten, her only kitten she
ever had. It died of the terrible, tragic accidental death.
She it broke her heart so much that she said,
oh my god, I haven't been able to even look
at a cat fondly since then. And of all the
things to come forward, and in my experience, animals tend
to go and stay in the light sooner. But this
was sixty five years later. This kitten, with its little
bent tale and its ear that never stood straight up,
came walking back in this goofy little walk. And it's
a funny name. The kitten's name was Carl, which is
a weird name to name. I can't it's funny. It
made me laugh. But what made me feel so good
is and I'll get choked up here. I had to
say goodbye to one of my dogs several months ago,
and I haven't seen him. I don't use this for me,
I don't sit and scrunch up. And I've seen I
get messages for other family members and they come in
my rings. But at least I know that that rainbow
bridge thing, yes, isn't uh, it's it's And I'll probably
have to be dead to understand what all these animals are,
the ones that you've been hearing the door open and closed,
that's me like my old dogs in an out full time.
I I don't know what they're here to bring us,
except my mom said I needed this many for me
to understand unconditional love. That's maybe so and uh in
your and your thing is that as an EMS worker,
I think it was uh, you know DANGI and Brinkley.
Speaker 5: You know who that is absolutely listened to. We've never
interviewed him where I haven't, but I know who he is.
Speaker 1: I've read his book. I've read his book. And they
made a movie about.
Speaker 3: Somebody going from zero to sixty. I mean some of
these people like had had such lives of this George
Road and I as one of them. George Ritchie who
later became a psychiatrist, and he had pneumonia in the army.
The more you know, you guys, that are out there
and had these experiences, particular, particularly war veterans. Part of
PTSD in a lot of cases is not processing those amazing,
not only agonizing, but also spiritually beautiful things that they've seen,
they've been they're afraid of being mocked or afraid of
somebody wants to give you medication to make them go away.
Speaker 5: Yep, oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I think you're
absolutely right.
Speaker 3: There has to be a way to kindly approach the
significant uh. And they're called aberrant spiritual what ifs that
people have had, and it is hard to accommodate those
in everyday life. That's why again babies stop jabbering to
angels when they learn to talk.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we're conditioned to set that aside. That capable.
I think that maybe all of us or some of us,
But I also think that there's a there is a
very tough task in my experience, of having to turn
that on and off like a light switch. And I
don't think we can do that very easily. You know,
when you used to when somebody you're cutting somebody out
of a car out here on the interstate, when I
was you know, on the rescue squad and then having
to come back in at five o'clock in the morning.
You've been out in the rain cutting bodies out of
a car, or somebody who was alive that died in
your arms, and then oh, I got to go take
a shower and go to work and be mister nice
guy like nothing ever happened. Wow. You know that's not
an easy thing to do week after week, month after month.
And it's strange how we are we Let's go back
to television. I mean, I've studied this all my life.
The first time you see a shooting on television, whether
it's in a dramatic series or on the news, it's
got to be pretty startling. I don't remember the first
time I did. But after you've seen fifty thousand of them,
you don't relate to the fact that that's, you know,
that's depicting something that's horrible. Sorry, it doesn't go down easy.
If you're the guy over there bleed to death or
had your arm blown off, it's not funny. And yet
we desensitize ourselves to it, and all of a sudden,
these type of realities are impossible for many people to
look at as realities. I don't know what that means.
But I think that we when people realize in their
heart of hearts that what you are experiencing and helping
people with is true. Man, it's a mind blower. You'll
never tell them that it wasn't real.
Speaker 3: And I was watching the first forty eight because I
love you knowing which of those cops are really psychic? Now,
I probably these are talk about boots on the ground soldiers.
These people are working under you know, low budgets type
scheduled hot cars. It's nothing, and I kind of want
to tap them on the shoulders, saying, my god, your
instinct is just because I'm calling it instant, I'm not
implying they're not skilled, but they're instincts for figuring into
how these things are salt. And I love watching them.
I love watching people like you say no, we can't
turn it on and off, but we can. When I
was ten, we were sitting behind the car and the
bumper's secret said God is my co pilot, and my
mother said, her soft voice, that man needs to change seats.
And that's kind of where I try to go. In
points during the day, I go, Okay, who's driving here?
Do I think I'm driving? Or who am I letting drive?
And also when I see a person who is just
bad energy, just and I spot him even before I
meet him, I don't know what has been in that
person's life to create that kind of gnarled energy or
resentment or difficulty. And as naive as it sounds, I
just imagine a rays of absolute light coming to them.
Speaker 5: You know, I think you could argue, with very few
exceptions that when a child is born, that's a pretty
clean slate. I don't think he like you said, that's uh,
you know, I don't think Charlie Manson was born as
an evil person. I think something happened and twisted the
uh you know, the circuits got tangled up there a
little bit.
Speaker 3: And I Heer's dad apparently his dad, Hitler's dad first
words were kill it now. That excuse me? That Alf Hitler.
I don't know. But uh, And when we all get
these choices too, well, you think there are things that
can tear our our And I know when I took
drugs and I had some, you'll get you get hitchhikers,
you get you get bad hit shikers, you get things
that are uninvolved in you know, discarnate things that is
that's that's the downside of this. And I would exhort
people to really, when they're starting to come into your
own with your abilities, don't negate the to me the
necessity of protection. I'm not trying to I'm not someone
telling you to go buy a bunch of guns. Psychically speaking,
just call in, call in your angels, because that old thing,
unto whom much is given, much is expected. That's why
when I was a kid who played with Luigi board,
nothing happened to me because I was a kid and
we were playing. Right, do you grow up that do
that stuff? Just you shouldn't be doing it?
Speaker 6: Do you use what a lot of mediums use, which
is like surrounding yourself with the white lad of protection.
Speaker 3: It's it's really pretty simple. And when we give words
to it, like Monroe did again out of you know,
but he did it so technically, I love it. They
hear us and respond to it. I'm a friend of
mine who's been a psychic for a lot longer than
I have said. Say, there's a guy in Missouri. He's
fine with his dog and his boat and his leg
He's got his guardian angel. The moment that guy needs more,
they descend upon him to give him. But unlike and
we've been pushed out of the way of disaster. You
know how those guardians help us, but for living decisions
and stuff. The more we ask their good to help,
the more it's present, the more we get it.
Speaker 5: So you've got to affirmatively ask for it and don't
sit there.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I think so, I think it helps.
I think it helps. I really do you along away
from walking on water, Guys, That's not what I'm saying
at all. It's that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 6: My business partner, Irene Allen Block, who you know, she's
She's shy about it, but she is. She is a
psychic medium as well, and we get into a lot
of deep conversations. We were actually having one this morning
about the fact, you know, you're mentioning Hitler and uh,
you know people who do who Charlie Manson, These people
come into the world and they perpetrate evil. And yet
let me guess your thought then in terms of if
you mentioned past lives and reincarnation, because a person like
that comes into the world and does evil, does that
doesn't make their soul evil. It doesn't make it's it's
if you buy into the concept of karma and balancing
out the good.
Speaker 1: The bad, the light the dark.
Speaker 6: You know, people who come into this world and they
they perpetrate evil and they do horrible things, but yet
they could come back in the next life and for
all you know, they could be a priest or or
or somebody who does who does good and it's or
finds a.
Speaker 3: Way to be somebody with incredible physical difficulty or handicaps.
You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes back.
Speaker 3: Crazy sounding, but whenever you say Irene's name, I see
the most beautiful cobalt in purple lights around her. Wow,
it's it's now the third time it's happened since and
since I heard her voice. And I'm not being a peaker,
I'm not a keeping calm. It's just I don't see
lights that much, and they're the prettiest colors that are
profoundly deep. And I'm not saying I'm not attaching significance
to it other than I think that's an awesome sign.
Speaker 5: She that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's special.
Speaker 6: She's had her own group, Spirit Rescue International for many
years and she's been working with me. She produces our
radio show too. And she usually likes to keep to
the background, but she she definitely has and one of
the things she's talked about, and I'd like to get
your thought on this. Have you had experiences where you
have trouble putting him into the words into the English language?
Speaker 3: Where Wenny you should ask, because when this first story,
I'd say about six years ago, I was minutely resentful
because I thought, well, why just get a ray? I thought,
I make my living with words, so if I give
the messages just as they're gotten, it took some of
the oomph out of it for me. I thought, well,
I'm I mean the way I explained things, that's what
makes me a comedian, a storyteller, a writer. And then
I had one particular client and what had to transfer.
There's no sign that comes on in our head that
such attention, Brett, your next thought will be spirit given
it's nonverbal communication. They explain and like a like a thought.
But what it was was such a tender topic that
involved a grandfather who had abused and neglected his grandson
had gone on to be quite successful in his field.
And if the grandfather were tuck were in flesh, his
chest would have been pressing up against the bicep. He
was facing this young man and spirit was exhorting him
to forgive him, not for the grandfather's sake. The grandfather
owned up to the mistakes and said, what's worse than
hell is that I had to feel exactly what I
made you feel. And I'm asking for your forgiveness, because
if you can cross this grandson, if you can cross
this bridge to forgive me, how much better your life
would be. And in that moment, I saw that young
man struggles with alcohol and he'd also hurt his young
bride that he loved very much because the demons of
the grandfather that were visited upon him. And after that,
I realized that it was worth whatever energy I had
to expand to exactly transfer these feelings. It was emotional
for me. And when I finished the this is the
first time that's happened, the grandfather looked at me and
put his finger on his nose, like we've been playing charade,
And I got it right. That's not bragging. That doesn't
happen that often, that specifically. So when i'm if I
just give the people the images I'm getting, I love
when the messages are what I cannot understand, but that
the client does. That's that's a perfect that's a perfect
reading to me.
Speaker 6: We've got about seven minutes left in the show. I
just want to bring up one more topic, but I
don't want to get too deep into it at this point.
But in your travels and experiences, you said that you
have felt and deal with like lower level energies or
have you ever come across something that you would consider
to be you know what other people referred to as demonic?
Speaker 3: Uh no, and but I'm aware that they're there. I
have felt, I have felt in seeing it, but there
are so many and I don't have protection because I
am singled out for specialists. I simply have it because
I'm I'm in a way, I'm a baby. I know
whom my mama is. I stay in the light as
much as I can and and urge people to You're
never being demanding to call the light. You're never demanding
when you know, you're never selfish. Angels can appear simultaneously everywhere,
and uh, it's that simple. There's there are people, for example,
who put the topics of the cord cutting or chakra balancing,
and believe me, I wish there were other ways to
put it. I feel so new agey saying it. Those
things there are people who make them expensive and complicated.
The requirements for protection are as simple as a child
crying out. That's no matter how smart you are, how
academically accomplished you are. It works on very fundamental levels.
And you'll hear this the other side, no matter what
they've done in life, to communicate with the simplicity of
a child. And I've seen things and i'm and also
it's why I recoil when I go by certain places
that like, if I go into a haunted house with you,
I probably won't see the ghost, but I'll see what
you're seeing. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I think so, because.
Speaker 3: I was okay. One of my earliest clients was a
couple and they didn't believe what I could do. They
had twins that were three, and before I went over there,
I said, the little girl here spirits and the boys
sees them. That was enough for them to hire me.
And when I got to their house, they lived in
one hundred and thirty year old house, and they saw
a crying old black man. The children did and I
said what he before they told me he was crying.
I said, what song do you sing that makes him
stop crying? And they started to sing Jesus was the
little children. These kids have been singing that in daycare.
So I said, well, tell him. I couldn't see him,
saw what they were seeing. I said, tell him his
mama and daddy want to see him. So I'm talking
to these kids and the parents and their grandparents. And
by the way, they were treating me like hired help.
They were like, who's this girl that thinks she can
do this? So all of a sudden, the little boy
goes he's going to go now, and he says thank you,
And then the kids looked at each other, and the
little girl gave her brother a bear and he ran
all the way down the hall and lifted this bear
up in the air and said, you forgot to kiss
mister Buttons Goobye or whatever his name was. That clenched
it for the parents. And they looked at me and said,
did he leave? And I said, I don't know, I
asked the kids. So see, I don't know how that worked.
I just saw what the children were seeing, and I
never did see the man.
Speaker 5: That is there any precognitive nature of the work you do.
I mean you, are you ever showing things that could
help people avoid something tragic in their lives?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try and be very very careful about that,
because anything that we get stone precognitively it's terrible, it
can be averted, and if it's wonderful, we can screw
it up. And regarding things of a physical or mental
or medical way, again, I'm just assuming that people would know.
Someone who was on a sitcom in another century who's
doing phone psychic work probably doesn't have MD after her name.
Being that as it may, I can tell when people
are on the other side of something. And recently, somebody
I'm dealing with in business said, I ask her how
she was. We don't discuss this, we're in business about
something else, and she said she was scared something was wrong.
And my hand went to the top of my head
and I said, is this in your head? And I
didn't mean psychosomatic and she said yes, they thought it
was a pituitary tumor. And then I blurted out, the
guy that's going to fix it is at UCLA. And
two days later she called and apparently that's your granddaddy
if this thing is And she asked what else I
saw and I want I don't know. I can't believe
I blurted that out. I think I'm on someone's turf
when that happens. I just what's important is that people
know just because someone's psychic, they don't have access to
things that you don't have access to. Okay that no,
I don't have to tell your mom that you love her.
She knows it. And you have more knowledge of your
own life. But if I do see somebody riding the
bike without a helmet on, I tell them are you
wearing your helmet? They just show me what might happen.
And people who drink or take drugs they know. I mean,
chances are if they called me, there's already something ramping
up in their lives about it. Most people know they're
getting tapped on the shoulder, and hopefully all I do
is confirm that.
Speaker 5: Wow. All I can say is at this point, because
the clock's running down, and we want to let you
tell everybody how they you know, can get in touch
with you and so on. But I could go on
for hours listening. Are you keeping a diary of the
work you do? Is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't like take notes on specific clients. But
I always I get so excited when things happen. I'm
like different, Like, for example, just real quickly, in the
last couple of weeks, I've been visited by spirits who
were giving actually in one case, first and last name
of someone's dead godfather twenty years later. Geez, that's ramping
up for me. So I'm seeing how this has all
happened over the last six months. So yeah, thank you,
and thank you by the way. I so enjoyed talking
to you both and wish you the best. I'm so
excited about Art coming back and may for this radio
thank you.
Speaker 5: Oh well, if they want you to be a part
of what we're doing, and we'll talk to you about
that off the air. But you know, you've been so
forthcoming and this has really been an amazing experience for me.
I hope that the audience has had as much got
as much out of it as I have. I mean,
thank you so much. I mean you've been very open
and kind to us, and we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Brett, can you tell people where they can find your website.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's a real Brett Butler altogether, Realbrett Butler
dot com, and they can find out. I think the
words spiritual consultant are on there. I'm so sorry. I'm
a psychic medium and perhaps I do consult spiritually, but
for some reason, seeing it together just makes you feel embarrassed.
So anyway, that's what I do. I we'll see what happens.
N if I'm believing you guys will be the first
to know when the show starts rolling. And wow, I
didn't say if I said when I'm about it.
Speaker 5: What about the comedy side of things?
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, that's going to be I'm dying to get
back there. I'm not only homesick, I'm I'm really really
ready to have this kind of convert with stand up comedy.
Speaker 5: Well, we'd love to have you back here. If you
get anywhere in the New York Philadelphia area, you've got
to place the crash and hang out a little and
have some good Thank.
Speaker 3: You so much. I had a blast here. And thanks
to Irene too. I hope I get to meet her
one day.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, we can make that happen.
Speaker 6: Well, Brett, thank you very much for coming on the
show tonight, and we'll definitely have to have you back again.
Speaker 3: I had a ball.
Speaker 5: Good night, guys, Good Thank you, and.
Speaker 6: Thank you everybody for listening to another edition of Unknown
Origins Radio. Tune in every Thursday night here at eight
pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark Matter Radio Network.
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for spending some time with us. Have a safe,
good weekend. We'll see you next week. We really appreciate
you being here, folks.
Speaker 6: Thanks, and you know what, I am going to bring
something back here. We are going to sign off with
our weekly wisdom from yours truly.
Speaker 1: You know they say that you can never go home again.
Speaker 6: Uh, and you know I found out that's true because
I recently tried going home and the people who are
currently living there called the cops on me.
Speaker 1: Have a great night, everybody.
Speaker 5: Thanks Mark, be good, Bud, Irene Keith. Thanks a Bellion
buddy a