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Speaker 1: You're listening to a classic edition of the Unknown Origins

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Radio show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: We live in a world filled with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm mad as hell.

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Speaker 4: I'm we will not go.

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Speaker 5: Quietly into the nights.

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Speaker 1: We will not.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Unknown Origins.

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Speaker 1: Radio and good evening, everybody.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio here on

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Art Bell's brand new home, the Dark Matter Radio Network.

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And I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and joining.

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Speaker 1: Me as our co host, mister Bruce Pearson. How are

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you tonight, Bruce?

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Speaker 5: I'm fair to mediocre. I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, any day above grounds is a good Day's right.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking down at the grass rather than not at it.

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Speaker 1: It was always rather than it growing around you. That's right,

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that's always good.

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Speaker 6: You know, speaking of Art Bell, for anyone who follows

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Art's Facebook page, and you know, he's really been posting

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about getting everything ready to come on and premiere live

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here on the Dark Matter Radio Network July the twentieth.

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We're really looking forward for Art to come back, and

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it sounds like it's going to be a great show.

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And you know, we have to mention the fact that

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how great it is that he was planning on just

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doing the internet show, and because of the bad experiences

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you know that he had, was sirious and then the.

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Speaker 1: Whole fiasco with Coast to Coast that he was just.

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Speaker 6: Going to do the streaming on the on the internet

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and leave it at that, And then there was this

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outpouring of stations all across the country begging to carry

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the show.

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Speaker 1: And now I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know how many stations they're up to right now,

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but there are stations all across the US that are

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going to be also simulcasting the show live so as

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well as here on the Dark Matter Radio Network. So

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that's going to be great, really great news. So I'm

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very happy that I can't wait for him to come

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back on the air.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you know, being a broadcaster back starting in nineteen

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seventy three before there was electricity, are definitely changed the

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face of talk radio by anybody's standard, anybody's estimation. So

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it's really going to be great to be, you know,

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sharing at least the network with him, and quite an

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honor and looking forward to it. It's going to be

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good for everybody. And I wouldn't want to be the

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folks over there at premiere going forward because they're in

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for a rough ride.

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Speaker 1: Yes they are.

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Speaker 5: Well, not that I wish anybody any ill, not Georgia

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or any of the folks over on that other network,

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but Art's going to mop the floor.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: Competition is the American way.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Just keep that in mind, folks.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, what have you been up to?

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Speaker 1: Mark busy, busy, busy we've been.

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Speaker 6: We had the new book release with Ken Cherry's book

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came out a week and a half ago. The Mark

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Slade investigates the Stevensville UFO that's starting to make some waves,

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so we're really looking forward to see how that's going

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to move forward. He's going to be on some more

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shows coming up here soon. We also have the coming

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up in the twentieth gonna of this month, actually it's

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the eighteenth through the twenty first. There is Phenomenology one

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oh seven and as you know, you're well known.

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Speaker 1: I've attended the last few years.

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Speaker 6: Not going to be able to make it this year,

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but there's gonna be a lot of great people. It's

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going to be a great convention in York, Pennsylvania with

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a lot of celebrity guests and if you want to

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get more information on that, get tickets at Phenom events

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dot com. I mean, they're going to be having Travis

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the Sky Bookend movie and his experiences. We have ghost Cops,

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Stacy Jones is going to be there. Your good friend

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Bruce Bob Christopher is going to be there, Chris Fleming

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and Carmen Reid from the Haunting in Connecticut House. So

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it's going to be a lot of great people there.

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It's going to be a good fun event. So you

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can get your tickets and more information at phenom events

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dot com. And now, while I'm not going to be

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June twentieth, I am going to be here in New

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Jersey at the Strange Exchanged Weird Flea Market, which is

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being sponsored by the Weird New Jersey guys Mark and Mark.

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And that's going to be at the Welmont Theater in Montclair.

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It's going to be from twelve to five. I'm going

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to have a table there. It's from what I understand,

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there's going to be a lot of great strange vendors there.

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because I'm just selling books.

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Speaker 6: You can come on by and say hi, talk about

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So that will be again on June the twentieth at

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the Welmont Theater in Montclair. For more information, you can

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go to the theater's website at the Welmonttheater dot com and

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they have more information. And I don't know if they're

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selling tickets to get in or not, but I think

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if so, you can find out that information at that

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Speaker 1: And that's about it. How are things going on? You're

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Speaker 5: Good I had a nice conversation this morning for people

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who want to mark their calendars. A couple pages down,

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Bruce Tango gave me a call this morning. He's going

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to do his Halloween event for the second time. They've

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changed venues. That'll be here in Avenue, New Jersey. He's

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asked me to provide the sound for him again this year,

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and he does a great event. He's gonna have some

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special guests hopefully you know, his son Dave Tango from

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Ghost Stunters and Steve will be there, hopefully, he told me,

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and that's a great event. It's very intimate. He has

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a good time as dinner, he has dancing. He usually

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and greet, So I have more information on that going forward.

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that off. But I'm going to try to make a

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run down there if I can. At least the sale

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But great event. You should try to make it out

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to York, Pennsylvania, just outside of Gettysburg, and it's a

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lot of fun. They do a good job, so.

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Speaker 1: So definitely check that out.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's we should get right into our

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show tonight. We have a great guest. We're really excited

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to have her on. And this guest tonight is a

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very unique background and it starts off a little different

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guest for this show, but I think you're going to

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enjoy it. She's a comedian, an actress, and a New

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York Times best selling author and producer. And you may

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have seen her recently on Anger Management and she starred

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in her own television show, Grace under Fire. And we

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are very excited to welcome Brett Butler to the program tonight.

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How are you tonight?

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Speaker 7: Brett?

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Speaker 3: Hi, Mark, Hi, everybody, Thank you. I'm fine, And I've

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just been listening to all the events she's got going

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in which I were on the East coast. To tell

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Speaker 5: Come out there. There's events out on the West coast.

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Speaker 3: We're not phenomenology is just that gathering sounds exciting and

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how cool is the pull art bel thing? So I'm

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sickle to be here. Thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's great to have you on. I mean, somebody

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of your stature now real quick, you're what Grace Underfire

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was in the top ten for two or three years, right,

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I mean this was a I.

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Speaker 3: Think so, I think. So we run for one hundred

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and twelve shows that I remember about eighty of them.

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Speaker 5: Wow, wow, you know I've been working on a couple

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of Food Network shows on the crew for the last

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couple of years, and people that you know, after forty

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years of broadcasting, unless you've worked on a tough production

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schedule on set for a series, people don't realize the

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amount of work that goes into a show each and

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every episode.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, my crew, my crew worked hard.

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I'm sorry. I did not have a hard job. And

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anybody that is is a star of your own show

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and complains about being hard work, I strongly suggest you've

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embarked in reality protocole. Mike crew works with their butt

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off their collective button. Individually. It is a lot of work.

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And by the way, I'm not I'm not demeaning acting

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or anything. It's just you know that that didn't happen

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to me until I was thirty five. I've been you know,

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headlining and had had real jobs before. So it's I

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do miss the team part of it. That was great.

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Speaker 5: And but and you had a career as a comedian, uh,

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you know, going in into your your your studio work right.

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Speaker 3: Oh about twelve years just working with me and me

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and a microphone and and uh, and I'm doing that.

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I can Uh, that never goes Away. I mean it

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is like riding a bike in Away. I love stand

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up I always will.

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Speaker 5: Well, you've got a you've got a great style. Uh

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your stuff is just hilarious. I mean, uh, I we

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share one thing in common. Actually, I'm older than you,

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so I hope you take that as a compliment. But uh,

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I'm fine.

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Speaker 3: I'm fifty seven. I tell my age. I've never lied

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about my ugly my age or my weight. I used

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to lie about my height, of all the stupid things

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to tell fids about.

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Speaker 5: And you're a Southern girl, right, You're from where Alabama, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: I was born in Alabama, raised in Marietta, Georgia. But

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was twenty six, I felt more at home there than

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I've ever felt anywhere in my life. If I didn't

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have so many animals i've lived there. Now, I love

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Speaker 5: Wow, But Marietta's that's a fair sized town. I did

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Speaker 3: It wasn't fifty years ago. It seemed to be a

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lot further from Atlanta, and a bunch of my family's

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still there. I just I just don't really have an

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affinity for white southern people, and I know the irony

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of that. I know how that sound, and I'm sure

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there are some nice ones. I'm just I like big cities,

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and that's just how it is.

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Speaker 5: What was your what was your childhood like? Or what

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drove you do you? Was there any cathartic experience that

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got you into working as a stand up?

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Speaker 3: You know, the women and my family just cracked me

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up and the men. I also was raised in a

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family where, well, both my grandmothers had college degrees and

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neither grandfather did, so that was sort of unusual. That

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the women in our family were just articulate and really funny.

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We laughed a lot together. My cousins are funny, my sisters.

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I have four younger sisters, and I never laughed harder

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than when they're cracking me up. So and then I'll

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talk to somebody and they go, well, you had a

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really hard life, and I go, well, I guess you know,

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I never wrote about it that way, or I don't

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describe it that way. I just you know, I'm here,

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I'm still standing. How could I complain anything? Actually, ninety

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nine percent of difficulties I've ever had, I signed up

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Speaker 1: Well, you.

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Speaker 6: You did write a book before you started Grace Underfire.

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You you authored a book Knee Deep in Paradise.

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Speaker 3: I did that while the show was on.

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Speaker 1: While the show was on, Okay, right, okay now? And

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so what you know?

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Speaker 6: You you you were seeing the fighting of all the

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southern women and your family. So what made you want

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to get up and start expressing yourself in front of

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Speaker 3: Well, my mom told her that. I said when I

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was five, I was going to be a comedy And

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I hated to describe it this way, but I loved

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men comics. I like when men wore tuxedos and chicks

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and Fritz Twist brought them high balls and left the room.

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It's like I wouldn't have been a great lesbian comedian,

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but I like guys. I just love comedy. I love

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My mom would let me stay home from school to

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watch stand ups that were on Mike Douglas and Merv

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Griffin if they were good. Like one day I forgot

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who I wanted to stay out to see, and she said,

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that's not good enough to miss school. Fork And when

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I was eight, I did George Carling and a Christmas pageant,

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and I didn't even know what half of the joke's men.

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I was doing like al Fleet and Kay, what do

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you call your paza? I didn't know what getting high was,

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but I was doing a stone weather.

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Speaker 1: As long as he workeduring the seven dirty words.

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Speaker 3: No, no, that was a little bit after that that

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was and mom, let me do that too. She was extraordinary.

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She still is extraordinary. But when an eight year old

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some silly Christmas poem, I want to do what that

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guy did on ed Sullivan, And she said, what a

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great idea, honey, Like it was the most normal thing

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in the world. So I'm glad. I'm glad I wasn't normal.

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I guess you.

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Speaker 5: Were the first hippy dippy weather woman.

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Speaker 3: Then is at the camp might have been thank you.

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I'm gonna put on my resume. Now.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's yeah to aspire to that at such a young

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age as neat, But I think that that's the essence

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of comedy, just you know, seeing people as they are,

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and seeing how silly we are and how crazy we are,

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and how contradictory you know, our actions are. I mean,

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I tend to look as Mark knows I look at

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the world as a giant foreside cartoon. I mean, you

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got to look at it and shake out.

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Speaker 3: He's my favorite. Oh my gosh, I don't think I've

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got that. I'm sure you have the great, big, fat

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double book collection of his.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: I just remember, like laughing till my ribs were hurrying

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from God bless.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you, you know, anger management. You bring that up,

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But I'll tell you a dirty little secret about me.

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I literally keep one of the little, the smaller Gary

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Larson books with me at all times and when I

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really get ticked off. And it actually happened today at

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a corporate broadcast. I was just dealing with a corporate

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pinhead that was out of control, and I just reached

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in my bag, pulled out my Larsen book, and about

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three pages into it, all that you know, I was

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no longer going to unscrew the guy's head and bounce

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it down to you know, the conference like a basketball,

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because how can you. I mean, you know, when you

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see this, yes, So that's what we have to look

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at life.

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Speaker 3: You just go it diffuses everything. I had a like

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a client's I had a client on the phone, a

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few weeks ago, and she wanted to basically know that

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her ex was in hell. And I went, I went.

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I started to think all these things like, well, that's

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not how it worked, honey. And I mean I didn't

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tell her. I did say that he wasn't but I

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did leave out the fact that he was with her sister.

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Speaker 5: Did you tell them he was in fact in hell

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and he was living right downtown in Camden, New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: No, no, it's just it's funny. And then and she

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was with all these animals, and she said, I read

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you animals, and then I saw the animals. She she

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had had a lot of hard stuff in life, but

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basically what she told the animals was that no one

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will ever be good to you. People are bad. I'm

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the only good day. So she she was. She fostered

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all these animals that continued to be in fear. Does

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that make sense, like, yeah, comedy bad.

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Speaker 6: She really did, living too bitter with her life, and

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of course that emotion comes through and those animals will

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feel it.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of the reality of that, though, Brett, you have

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really and I compliment you because you have really gone

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through hell yourself. And uh, I bought the.

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Speaker 3: Ticket it's totally my doing.

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Speaker 5: You know that, you know what, we all make mistakes,

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no matter how true and no matter how realistic and

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harsh you are, and really, you know, telling the truth

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about that. The fact of the matter is, you know,

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you pulled out of the dive. To use a pilot's parlance,

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you pulled out of the dive. You turn yourself around,

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and that comes from nothing, but you know, an internal

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strength that hopefully you reach down far enough and grab

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it and turn around.

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Speaker 3: So that is that I'm glad I didn't die. It

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would have made the wrong people happy.

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Speaker 5: There you go. Yeah, yeah, I know that feeling. Yeah,

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just you know what, you just got to do it

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right to piss them off.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes, right, I just I'm so glad. Just that gratitude

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will never go. I am so glad to have I've

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had more than one second chance, so I'm really happy

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just to be here.

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Speaker 5: Well, the fact that you're sharing that that knowledge with people,

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you know, may may just be enough that somebody else

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that's on the edge turns around and gives it another

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takes another deep breath and straightens it out. You know

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the fact that we all do things that are stupid

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and hurtfull of ourselves and make a lot of bad mistakes,

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but you know, some of them are a lot more

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consequential than others. And you know what, you're a good

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person going forward and that's all positive. But we really

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want to get into this new facet of your life, which.

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Speaker 6: Before we do that, I do have one question since

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before before we change the subject, I wanted to ask Brett.

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Speaker 1: You know, we lost.

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Speaker 6: Last year or earlier this year, one of the most

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brilliant comedians I've ever had the pleasure of Robin growing

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up with, and I actually got to see him live

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one and you know, you can speak from it from

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your experience. How is it true that a lot of

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comedians they're channeling that inner pain, that inner the you know,

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the their demons, they're hiding it behind a smile and laughter.

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And I know Robin struggled with his demons for so

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many years and so long, and not only struggling with

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addiction and alcohol and but the depression. And you know,

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I feel so bad because he was just my favorite

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of just growing up with him.

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Speaker 1: Since I was in junior high school, and you.

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Speaker 3: Know, well he blew it out of the water for us.

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He really did he just showed us. All I mean

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was he was extraordinary. It was like another force of

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nature coming under the Saint. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Do you as from your perspective and what your own

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experiences were, do you feel that that, uh, that is

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true that a lot of comedians or people who go

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into comedy are channeling that type of dark.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, almost to a person. And and also, I'll take

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it a step further. I think most comedians really have

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this fantasy about doing like the most dramatic Shakespeare or

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singing like Frank Sinatra. And I'm only half kidding there.

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We have. That's why, you know, when you saw Jackie

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Bleefon or Andy Griffith, who were both really funny and

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had like one person acts that were hysterically funny. And

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that's then, by the way, people had to sing and dance.

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Go look at the old variety shows. You can't just

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be funny or just be a singer. You had to

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They made you work for your money, and so they

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were able to turn it into like phenomenally powerful dramatic performances.

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And then Robin was the one of our generations who

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did more than you know, like Good Morning Vietnam and

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Moscow and the Hudson. He just showed you know, dead

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poets society, and he knocked it over. He knocked it

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into the bleachers. I feel, you know, and I think

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if comedians have given themselves a chance to even I

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tell them when they start out, it will not hurt

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me to take some acting classes. Don't do like I

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didn't get your own show before. You realize you never

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learned how to act. In a way, learning how to

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act can be the worst thing to happen to someone,

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but you know, to just get familiar with it. Demons

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are a weird word, you know, because for everyone that's there,

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there's I promise there's a punchline attached to it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In Robin's case, in all fairness, I think that is

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the advent of a very physical and debilitating thing. Parkinson's

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disease part of what really really made things pulled in

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on him.

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Speaker 6: And you know, my father he passed away from Parkinson's

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and in congestive heart failure, but he dealt with the

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Parkinson's for the last few years of his life. I

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totally understand it, you know, wanting to not have to

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go through that or put his family through that. You know,

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it's just a shame. It really is a shame. I

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personally wish he could have been able to reach out

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and talk to people more.

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Speaker 3: And know his daughter's Elda said some of the most

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mature and evolved things in the wake of his death

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that have just I just I know Robin is so

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proud where he is. She's she just seems to be,

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and she's had to put up with some rather low

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brow energy and questions, and you know that just you

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know what happens. She has just done a beautiful job

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and is trying to do everything she can to make

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sure that his name lives on for all the right reasons.

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Speaker 1: You know he will. He will.

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Speaker 6: He was a legend and he will live on most definitely. Now, Bruce,

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I'm sorry to cut you off.

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Speaker 5: You please do it all. I think that that's that's

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very insightful because as you know, I worked for a

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number of years with the Rodney Dangerfield and got to

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know him quite well.

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Speaker 3: Whenever he was he was great. He was one of

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the guys in New York that gave me the first

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time on the stage.

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Speaker 5: Really and honest sincere real time. I mean, here's a

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guy he really was just like you know, he would

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just continually badger me and try to get me to

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stay up, stay after the show and have steaks with him,

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and uh, you know, and I had I had to

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drive all the way across the state and he's you know,

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I just found him to be a real guy, telling

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a real story. And Sharon, he was.

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Speaker 3: He was at the bar one night and I'm like

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a kid. I'd driven there from New York and he

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comes up and goes, what the hell is the meddle

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with you? And I said, well, I'm just waiting to

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go on, and he goes to really he does that

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double take to really talk like that. He and Jackie

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Mason were betting that I was from Scarsdale and I

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was just doing this say boy and thing at the bar.

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He says, you know what, I'm going to put you

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on because I'm curious. He let me go on, and

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can I tell you a great Rodney story?

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Speaker 5: Sure? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, this is not apocryphal, and I'm not

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going to say the other comedian's name in it, but

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he was a Romper Stomper Bomper boo. This is way

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back way back in the eighties. The two of them

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had worked in Vegas together and had done that last

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cocaine stop around the room, you know, because they'd done

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all the blow there was to do. And this guy

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was so excited doing blow with Rodney. He goes, I

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didn't even need to blow. I'm in the room, were

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with Rodney. So they find Rodney goes, hey, I found

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some more and they chop it up, and I'm sorry

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if this is shocking to people, but this is the

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eighties and I've earned the right to talk about this.

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So they chop it up and do it, and it

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just doesn't feel right somehow. And then they realized that

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Rodney has had his feet propped on the table and

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they had chopped up his foot powder and sported it.

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And Rodney goes, He goes, I'm gonna throw up, and

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it's my feet. But kid, if you ever tell anyone this,

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ifot he was on the horn to all of us

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the next day, and then, you know, I'm sorry, I'm

477
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,000
sorry if that grossed anyone out, But there's the eighties

478
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,240
in a nutshell right there.

479
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 5: He was a real guy, I mean, and I think

480
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,319
that's where you resonate when when comedians really get on

481
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,079
their own, you're telling life stories that we can always share.

482
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,720
We can all share the humanity and it because we're

483
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,559
all human beings.

484
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 3: I mean, while we're while we're doing that, I have

485
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,119
to say because I just I feel him around, and

486
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,839
I don't mean literally. My buddy Bill Hicks was just

487
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,640
who left us way too young at thirty three, and

488
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,559
Bill was I remember seeing Bill in Houston, and Bill

489
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:23,640
started comedy when he was fifteen years old. But his

490
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:27,079
stuff on cats and dogs was funnier than our most

491
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,400
esoteric steff we could come up with. He was He

492
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,640
was just beyond beyond talented. And I love that his

493
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:38,599
parents came to understand and love what he did a

494
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,759
whole lot. And you know, there's there's a bunch of

495
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,519
those guys that are up there hopefully laughing at us

496
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,119
for all the right reasons right now.

497
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: Well, good for you, And I tell you there's nothing

498
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:53,480
that helps heal all the bad stuff we deal with

499
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:57,160
every day as part of living life than laughing. And

500
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,519
I think laughing at yourself has been a official as

501
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,519
any of it. And we've lost a lot of that

502
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:05,720
ability to make fun of ourselves and each other. And

503
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,359
I think people take everything a little too seriously today,

504
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:12,920
And you know that's why the tension just builds like

505
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,279
a cauldron. I think in society and comedians serve a

506
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,720
very valuable purpose to everybody's mental health and well being.

507
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:23,759
I think that that's absolutely true. So good for you.

508
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: We have a leg up in spirit. I'm not saying

509
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,880
they can't be funny in spirit, and I have had

510
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,759
you know, I have had them come across and they

511
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,000
convey really funny things. But in terms of flat out

512
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,240
punchlines and stuff that you know, people when we're in

513
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,319
these hard school skins we get in this life, you know,

514
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,079
be as funny as you can now, because I'm not

515
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,160
sure it's as easy to get to over there.

516
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It gets lost in translation.

517
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,079
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe I'm just not hearing the right sound.

518
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359
Maybe maybe I need a sound check the other side.

519
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 5: I thought it was all. I thought there was all

520
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,759
those parties and Margarita's and you know strip over here.

521
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:03,559
I guess I was wrong again.

522
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: No, No, my friend, my friend is an Episcopal priest

523
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,240
and said that one of the parishioners asked him if

524
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,119
we're on the hush one day and you have sick

525
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,960
for them, and and he goes, I think so, but

526
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:14,000
you can't feel it.

527
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,519
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's one more thing that's no different than

528
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:25,759
let me make a note of that.

529
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,319
Speaker 1: I think I think we need like a you know,

530
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,480
a drum in the background.

531
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: People no need to fake it.

532
00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, Brett, let's ask you then, because you've already

533
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,319
alluded to it, and Bruce was going to lead into it.

534
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:48,200
Here you are now working and doing consultations, spiritual consultations

535
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:48,839
for people.

536
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: And I'm so sorry that that's the phrase. I'm sorry

537
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,480
someone else put that up there. I think of Oprah

538
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,359
as a spiritual consultant. I am a psychic medium. Okay,

539
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:00,680
Dave Strader said that, gey But okay, I'm cheesy.

540
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,519
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, you know what, And you know, I get

541
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:05,799
reluctant saying that term too, because a lot of people

542
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:09,039
don't like being labeled with a term with that term.

543
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: But you know, it's the last thing I want to

544
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,359
hear is a celebrity that takes them more spiritual than

545
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,160
they are. I think, well, like Oprah this month on

546
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,519
her magazine, she's got a cell phone pointed at herself

547
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,720
like she's taking a selfie. I'm just waiting for her

548
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,519
pap smeares to be on the cover. I just you know,

549
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,119
if I don't keep if I don't keep the blade

550
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,359
close to me, yes, yes, so I'm basically see dead

551
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,160
people and not only dead people. It's better than that,

552
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:34,599
you know.

553
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 6: Well, then let's let's get right into that then, because

554
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,720
you know that's where we get into the meat of

555
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:43,200
this show. And so let me ask you the question

556
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,200
is when did you first realize that you had some abilities,

557
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,960
were able to see things or hear things that other

558
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:51,119
people were not.

559
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,039
Speaker 3: It's sort of the mediumship happened to me pretty much

560
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,039
like that just dropped on me from the sky quite

561
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,920
suddenly in one particular instance. And when I look back

562
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,839
at things, and most people can do this if you

563
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,079
just really get a blank book and write down all

564
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,160
the times in your life that you've known more than

565
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,839
what song comes on the radio or who's on the phone.

566
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,240
All of us have some psychic ability. There's lots of

567
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,400
ways to get to the other side, like the lucinogenic drugs,

568
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,279
astral travel, near death. I'm like a radio and I

569
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:26,640
want to say this right off. When it happened to me,

570
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,559
the first thing I thought was not, oh gosh, I

571
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,200
must be special chosen. I do think I'm special, but

572
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,640
for other reasons. The first thing I thought was that,

573
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,720
wait a minute, this is happening to other people, and

574
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,400
also the fact this is alarming but true. There are

575
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,319
people with no moral compass at all who possess profound

576
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:50,160
psychic gifts. So that's kind of the only reason I

577
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,359
outed myself. Believe me, nobody's eyes roll back faster. I'm

578
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,519
going great sitcom star from another century suddenly has this

579
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,720
new thing. I've been doing it for about I call

580
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,920
them drive bys for maybe eight years, and several months

581
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,759
ago a mutual friend said why don't you do this

582
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,799
for money? And I said, I'm afraid my abilities would diminish,

583
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,759
and I was afraid of exposure. I thought maybe it

584
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,720
would go away or something. And I'm glad that all

585
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,160
this stuff i'd been doing has been practiced. But the

586
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,519
mediumship part happened pretty suddenly, and the rest of it

587
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,799
I think I'd just always been psychic and didn't pay

588
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,359
that much attention to it. It's just like one of

589
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:31,359
my sixes, you know.

590
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 6: Are you able to talk about what was the event

591
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,359
or what was the yea the time we.

592
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,359
Speaker 3: Had that, and it sounds I was with my girlfriend Claire,

593
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,640
and the reason I tell that we went into a

594
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,920
walmart and I knew this elderly greeters name is mister Henry.

595
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:53,160
And that night it was late at night, and i'd

596
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,839
been real sick. I'd been very, very sick. I think

597
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,480
maybe my defenses were down or something. And I turned

598
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,319
around and I can't remember the sequence of questions except

599
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:07,039
that suddenly his grandfather identified first and last name, the

600
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:10,000
city where he was born. There's several specific I'm an

601
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,039
evidential medium. That means I'm not going to just say

602
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:17,319
I have a grandfather energy here and not all the time.

603
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,079
By the way, nobody's dead on but on the which

604
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:24,000
side it's on, just different things about them. Whereas my

605
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,160
mom says, let me get this straight. People give you

606
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,039
money and you tell them stuff they already know. But anyway,

607
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,319
after I said about seven things and they were all right,

608
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,240
I felt high in a good way. I felt like

609
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,240
just in the zone. And this old man looked at

610
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,039
me and said, now this is in north almost in Appalachia.

611
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,799
He said, miss Brett, you've got the shining. And I

612
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,319
was embarrassed. I looked at my girlfriend and said, oh

613
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,480
my god, I see dead people. And then she shocked me.

614
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,119
She said, I've been waiting for you just to know this.

615
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,759
And she's an art teacher who's my age, normal woman.

616
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,279
Kid's husband had been an accident at seventeen that killed

617
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,880
everyone but her, including her father, and she'd been psychic

618
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,039
since then. And I asked her, what may anyway several

619
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,759
things that I'd indicated before. She kind of knew this

620
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,240
about me, so it didn't scare me, but it was weird.

621
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,400
I thought it was just some like maybe the way moon,

622
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,680
the phase of the moon. I didn't know what it was.

623
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,920
For a couple of years. I thought, Okay, you guys

624
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,319
know that a good used car salesman could seem to

625
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:35,880
be psychic, right, yes, you know like that. There's just

626
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,519
ways people help you. That's why I don't like looking

627
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,599
at people when I'm giving them a reading, because they

628
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,000
give you too many hints. So I would just I would,

629
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,640
I forget. I could do it until i'd be out someplace,

630
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,599
and it was a weird way to go up to

631
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,279
someone and go, I know this sounds crazy, but I'm

632
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,440
sort of psychic. And I would do it almost apologetically,

633
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:02,599
and it just kept passing. So and I remember this

634
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
twenty years ago. It's not I don't think it's important

635
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,160
who she is. But a pretty famous medium told me

636
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:12,000
Gary Shanling introduced me to her and said you've got

637
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:13,799
to get a reading, and I made fun of them.

638
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:15,440
I said, oh, you're out in la and believe all

639
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,039
that stuff. The first thing she told me when she

640
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:20,480
started the reading was you can do what I can do.

641
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,039
So a few years ago I wrote her a letter

642
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,279
thanking her for the heads up and telling her that

643
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,720
I was giving readings. And here's what she wrote back,

644
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,480
be careful. You don't know all the rules, and I

645
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:37,480
was sort of surprised. I realized it was probably proprietary,

646
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:40,720
and I made my mind up to learn what those

647
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,599
rules were, and they involved protection basically. So I think

648
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,400
if I keep my sense of humor and don't you

649
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,039
know and don't overshoot, I do think of it as

650
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,240
a gift. I didn't ask for it, and I love

651
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,240
having it, and it seems to be I don't I'm

652
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,400
not afraid it don't go away anymore. So I hope

653
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,039
I answered your question. It is a weird thing to

654
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,480
talk about. I just know I can do this most

655
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:04,960
of the time.

656
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 5: Well, I've worked on some of the television series with

657
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,680
psychics and work with a couple here locally, and Mark

658
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:19,039
certainly knows some. And I have to tell you something.

659
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:27,680
I tell people, you really can't understand how game changing

660
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:31,759
it is until you've worked with these folks like yourself

661
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,680
and find out, you know what. I don't have any

662
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,720
explanation for it in technical terms and scientific terms, but

663
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:46,599
once you've either observed someone like you at work or

664
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,240
have had stuff revealed to you that there's no possible

665
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,880
way that an individual could know, that's it. You can't

666
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,559
put that genie back in the bottle once again. And

667
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,240
Mark and I have said this many times on the

668
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,880
show that we're the best beneficiaries of what goes on

669
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,240
in this show because we learned so much, and as

670
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:08,559
an investigative journalist, my eyes have been widened every week

671
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,599
we do the show. And uh, it's got to be,

672
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,480
in my mind, kind of a balancing act because you

673
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,639
realize how unique your your you know, this blessing is

674
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,480
that you have, and how powerful it is, And so

675
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,519
I imagine there's a there's a tempering of Hey, you know,

676
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:30,559
I've got something here that has some real serious consequences

677
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,519
for the people I interact with. Is that a Is

678
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:33,760
that a fair statement.

679
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,599
Speaker 3: Or no, it is. And by the way, I love

680
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,239
uh the investigative part of it, my left brain and

681
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,679
I'm not being set fist. Men get born with the

682
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,280
more developed left brain. One could argue that the left

683
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,079
brain math and science built the world, and one could

684
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,000
argue that the right brain intuition and watercolor makes it

685
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:56,719
more livable. My left brain was a flabby, quadriplegic when

686
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,719
I started doing this. I when I discovered mediumship, I

687
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:07,280
discovered my inner skeptic. I really put myself through. I

688
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,599
made this. Have I put it. I demand evidence to

689
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:14,480
It's really important to stay to stay critical. And I

690
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,000
don't mean babies in bath water. And I do respect criticism.

691
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,519
I think sometimes some of the people who are skeptical

692
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,239
have have have thrown the babies out with the bath

693
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,440
water just because I'm in a world where I believe.

694
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,920
This doesn't mean I believe in reptilians and fast Watch

695
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,800
and all of a sudden, I mean, it's like every

696
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,400
door is open, you know. I try and be open

697
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,199
minded about other things too. There are two things that

698
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,880
can block a reading. I thought that if I was

699
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,280
reading someone who is skeptical, no one would come through.

700
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,800
And that's not true. Really, yeah, it's really not And

701
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,199
and and I'm very careful around people with this. It

702
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,079
is a sometimes if I you know, it comes up,

703
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,000
then I'm psychic or a medium. I can tell people

704
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:03,719
are afraid. They get scared, and they don't have anything

705
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,760
to be afraid of, like walls go up. And and

706
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,679
I said to my manager once, I said, oh, you know,

707
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,400
I felt so bad because I could tell he was

708
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,599
scared around me. I said, I'm not reading you, and

709
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,280
he goes, damn it. I was just thinking that, you know,

710
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,920
I would no more read someone against their will than

711
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,039
I would watch them dress if they forgot to leave

712
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,000
the window and let's the window open? You know.

713
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 5: Oh well, hell, I do that all the time.

714
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,559
Speaker 3: Why have they think, well, that's that's creation. Yeah.

715
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,519
Speaker 5: Well that brings up a very interesting point that I

716
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:38,800
don't know that I've ever spoken to to a medium about. You.

717
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,760
Do you have the ability then to to read someone's

718
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,440
thoughts in your presence as well? Is that is that? Because?

719
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: Yes, but I don't do it. I don't do it.

720
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,360
I do not. You remember a long time ago, I'm

721
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,239
bewitched when Samantha would not use her witchcraft to clean

722
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,960
the house, and my mom said, then she should give

723
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,480
it to somebody who will. Wow. I feel that way.

724
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,599
Yes I can, and sometimes, like I said, I forget.

725
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,440
I can do it until spirits come around. If I'm

726
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:15,920
in a big public place, I will get sometimes really

727
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,079
Christ for help or what I hear a lot of

728
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:21,280
I'll see and I'll look in center and I'll see

729
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,239
it will be on the person who may be laughing

730
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,800
the hardest, and I sort of check with spirit. I go,

731
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,280
really that person, there's an sos. And now I have

732
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,440
a friend who is uh has been mediumistic since birth.

733
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:40,320
She sees dead people like partially formed and suffering. I

734
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,920
could not. I could not abide that. That's not how

735
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,320
I see them. But in answer to your question, yes

736
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,280
I can. But I never even if they're a butt head,

737
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,039
even if there's somebody that is a jerk or malevolent,

738
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,159
I do not invade them.

739
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:59,119
Speaker 5: What about if they have there's zill will directed towards you.

740
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:00,880
I mean, does that come through no matter whether.

741
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 3: You're it doesn't bother me. I'm sure I see that

742
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,159
it doesn't bother me. It bothers me less about me.

743
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,239
Then I have a problem with people who are bullies

744
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,800
to other people. I have to be real careful that

745
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,800
I don't get out my lightning bolts. You know, I

746
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:21,519
ask Spirit to intercede. That there's always something look, you know,

747
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,800
my stin skin aside. It's never about me. If I've

748
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,960
learned anything in life, this has nothing to do with

749
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:32,719
being psychics. It's never personal, especially when it seems personal.

750
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,760
And sometimes people who are victims keep signing up for it.

751
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,440
They are just so used to it that they and

752
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,880
then they want to go, well, help me, it's not fair,

753
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,920
and I want to go, no, it's not, but you're

754
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,000
comfortable with it.

755
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 5: You keep standing next to the punching bag.

756
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:54,039
Speaker 3: That probably exactly exactly, And it's in that old game rock,

757
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,280
paper scissors. I never understood why paper covered rock. I think,

758
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,400
I think underline think. I think that's about love and

759
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,000
ultimately how forceful it is. So even though all psychics don't,

760
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,079
you know, I have a long way from perfection. When

761
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,760
I get mad or judgmental, I've learned to try and

762
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440
hold and just kind of say that's when I say

763
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,840
help to Spirit, like, let me see this from a

764
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,880
bigger perspective. You know, Usually the pause of that stuff

765
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,920
is pain in someone Pain or fear makes people act

766
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,320
that way.

767
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 6: Well, you just touched on a point there too, and

768
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,880
you mentioned it a little bit earlier. You know, having

769
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,679
psychic abilities in no way at all infers that that

770
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,960
person is spiritually advanced.

771
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you wouldn't know to hear some psychics.

772
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, I have been around some psychics.

773
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,199
I've dealt with some personally. I've been around these so

774
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,440
called famous ones and I'm not going to mention any names.

775
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,960
And you know, the ones, especially the ones who are

776
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,440
quote unquote famous and on TV that I have met,

777
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,280
have been absolute, you know, stuck up jerks, and they

778
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:11,800
think the world the sun signs and shut sets on

779
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,719
their butt and they you know, they're rude to people.

780
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: They've been rude to me.

781
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,559
Speaker 6: And these are the people like, hello, I'm sorry. You know,

782
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,199
if it wasn't for us, you wouldn't be where you

783
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:21,639
are now.

784
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 3: And well, you know what surprises me too is a

785
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,239
bunch of them will not say when they don't get

786
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,159
a hit. And nobody is one hundred percent. When I

787
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,239
started reading, I go the part of it that's the mediumship.

788
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,920
I go, Look, don't just answer yes or no, do

789
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:42,559
not help meet with anything. I think it's real important

790
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,920
that stuff come from Stuart. And it's like and not

791
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000
to feel bad when they say no, because you'll hear

792
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:50,800
I go as in a man's name, does it start

793
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,119
with this? Doesn't sound like this because it's it comes

794
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:56,360
in that way, and you tell people want to help you.

795
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,480
And this has been going on. Early in the reading.

796
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,440
I can tell whether I'm going to get anything or not,

797
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,159
and I'll go like this, you know what, I think

798
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,119
I probably have to give your money back. I'm just nope,

799
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,079
sorry enough that's coming through. And when I say that,

800
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:14,199
and when I'm willing to concede, somehow things just start

801
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:17,320
piling in. Things start coming in. I guess it's surrender

802
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,920
of a sort. And a lot of the time it

803
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,679
has to do with the person that they I know.

804
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,199
I know people have shifted their opinions of mediumship in

805
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,239
the middle of readings. But when when the psychic is famous,

806
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,199
it's hard, it's it's it's I mean, but they that's

807
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,559
a real important time to stay humble. That's when you

808
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,920
have to every single day. It's like sobriety. I have

809
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,199
today sober and I've managed to, you know, be that way.

810
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,559
For it will be seventeen years in July. But I

811
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,360
just have it a day at a time. And that's

812
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,239
how I have this thing too. The minute I take

813
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,800
it for granted I've handled this way I've handled I wasn't.

814
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,039
I didn't handle star them as well as I would

815
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,559
have liked. I did a lot of stuff right, and

816
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,639
I did a lot of stuff wrong. So and it

817
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,000
was I did come through hell and high water on

818
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:14,320
my own. So this is every day here. As you said,

819
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,280
as the rest of the show, every day above ground

820
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,039
is a bonus. Yes, I do think people do have abilities,

821
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,199
and I encourage people like at the end of the callbook,

822
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,960
But would you tell my mom this? I go. The

823
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,079
whole point of this is so that you know that

824
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,719
you can tell her these things directly. Cool and you

825
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,800
don't need a middle I know what they call it

826
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,840
a medium because I'm in between those people and some

827
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,559
people want readings too soon after the second one. I

828
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,320
don't want to do that either. I don't want to

829
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,400
box or dependency.

830
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 6: My only problem that I've really had, and I have

831
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:52,320
worked with, you know, with my background as a paranormal investigator,

832
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,639
and I've been investigating for over fifteen years now, and

833
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,280
I've worked with several psychics in the past, and you know,

834
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,440
what I've learned in that that, you know, the people,

835
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,880
they all have varying levels of abilities. What gets me, though,

836
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,559
is the few of them who are trying to make

837
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,039
a name for themselves or they do the gallery readings,

838
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:14,760
and they try to do it for money and they're

839
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,800
trying to make do it as their full time work,

840
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,199
that they're not honest with themselves on what their limitations are.

841
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,119
And then they start falling into the trap of cold

842
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,320
performing cold readings, you know, letting, you know, letting the

843
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,719
audience lead them, or starting off by, you know, doing

844
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,679
a gallery reading saying oh, yeah, I know somebody in

845
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,199
your is having problem with their knee. Okay, well that's

846
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:36,960
like three quarters of.

847
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,559
Speaker 1: The audience right right, And you know, and I've seen.

848
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,199
Speaker 6: Them actually do things that convince me they do have abilities.

849
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,800
But then they're also falling into the old trap because

850
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,440
they've got to keep the money flowing in.

851
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not one of these.

852
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 6: And I talked to you about this the other day

853
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,800
when we when we first talked, is you know I

854
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
in the past, I used to think that you shouldn't

855
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,760
charge money for it because it's a spiritual gift. And

856
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,239
now I'm realizing, well, you know, if somebody's coming to

857
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,079
you and they're asking for a service, then there's you

858
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,599
have every single right to be compensated for that service.

859
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:11,079
And there's nothing wrong with it. It's the people who

860
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:15,840
are going out there and trying to sell themselves and stepping,

861
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,519
I guess, beyond their reach and their abilities and to

862
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,840
try to like bring in more and more people for

863
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,559
them instead of just hey, okay, here's my service. Do

864
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:27,440
you want me to help you find? This is my fee?

865
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,679
And I do this, and you know, I applaud you

866
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,199
and respect you for the fact that you've been able

867
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,440
to say nope, I'm not getting nothing, here's your money back.

868
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,119
Speaker 1: More of them should.

869
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,599
Speaker 6: Really do that, because it's not an exact science. It

870
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:42,159
doesn't happen all the time.

871
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,519
Speaker 3: And well, well some people, you know what, I'll never

872
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,719
need money so much for it. There's some people I know,

873
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,760
and it doesn't happen very often that they we're saving

874
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,800
their money. Well, I don't want their money. It's just

875
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,840
not worth the read, it's not worth time, it's not

876
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,880
worth tangling with that energy and you're right about. There

877
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,800
was a woman. She doesn't need to be named, but

878
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,360
she was was a terrific author of some of the

879
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:19,519
most demystifying and uplifting metaphysical information. She could basically tell

880
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,719
anybody how to go from zero to sixty embracing your

881
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,400
own abilities. And I did for kudos for that. But

882
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,840
in recent years she has fallen under the publish or

883
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,079
parish thing where she thinks she's got to write like

884
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,960
a book a week or something, and gosh, they're basically

885
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,840
about leprechaun farts. Now, I just gotten fighting ridiculous love.

886
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,119
And when you do that, when you add too much

887
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:44,960
to the fire, I want to go. Look you you

888
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:49,400
were talking about things that are sacred, that the Indians

889
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,960
had a thing called ho hookee, the parts of the

890
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,480
people in the tribe who used to mock the sacred

891
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:57,679
to make it more accessible. And I got I was

892
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,320
proud to get it. The other day I got my

893
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,760
first year going to hell for doing this letter. And

894
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,840
I remember thinking, I will where sunscreen is, heaven is

895
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,679
with people like you.

896
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:09,599
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, yeah, well that's true. That's you know, you

897
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,480
bring up some very interesting points, and I the strange

898
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:17,000
dichotomy and Mark and I and I I actually was

899
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,159
very close to a situation like that in in the

900
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:24,920
area of UFO UH investigations, where the reality of it is,

901
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,079
you know, you you don't say to a painter, well,

902
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,840
you're really going to charge me for this oil painting

903
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,159
you've spent the last three years on or and yet

904
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:37,280
you don't tell the plumber you should be doing it

905
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,119
for free because you do. You know, you make you

906
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,920
sweat joints pretty nicely, and they're nice and clean, So

907
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,559
what is wrong with you providing a service and charging

908
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,000
for it? And the other side of that coin is

909
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:49,559
the reality you know, I really don't need a hobby

910
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,320
uh and I like to feed myself and keep the

911
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,480
lights on in the house. So what is unethical about that?

912
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,320
I think, as Mark says, if it's presented open and

913
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,280
above the board, with some state of humility for the

914
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,159
unique gift you have. How let me ask you a

915
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:08,360
practical question, how do you are you doing readings full time?

916
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,880
What's what's the logistics of how you do it?

917
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: Do you?

918
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 7: No?

919
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: I don't, just because I actually have And there's one thing,

920
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,559
and I want of these toy people that won't talk

921
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:18,559
about it. But I'm very excited. I have a show

922
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:22,679
in development. Yeah baby yet work. Yeah, I'm very excited.

923
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,719
And I'm also trying to write another book. So I suppose,

924
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,119
like my buddy Joe, who told me he does thirteen

925
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,920
readings a day, Uh, there's no way I'm going to

926
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,159
do that, Manny, I get you, really, you can get

927
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,719
fried out doing that. So but I'm I'm booked up.

928
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,800
I'm booked, And I had to send a note out

929
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,880
to people going because you are responding, there's going to

930
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,920
be a little bit of a delay and some side

931
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,239
you have to book into next year. So I don't

932
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,880
feel bad about making people wait. When they have me,

933
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,119
they have my complete attention. And uh, if anything I have,

934
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,599
Joe had to help me with this. I have a

935
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,960
hard I had a hard time hanging up when the

936
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,519
time was over. I stopped doing one and a half

937
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:08,159
and two hour readings because you know, frankly, if the

938
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:10,840
psychic needs longer than that, you're you know, you're really

939
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,199
dazzling with something else.

940
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 5: Did you, I'm sorry to me, what network you're doing?

941
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I didn't. I didn't And well, I'm

942
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:26,920
just I'm excited because it kind of came. It kind

943
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,320
of came out of the blue and it involves yeah,

944
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,440
and it does feel good because I turned down reality

945
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,320
shows that just want to you know, I just those

946
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,800
are so unpleasant for the most part. The ones I

947
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like are so trashy, like cops and stuff like that. Anyway,

948
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:47,119
I actually wish I could use this for uh. I

949
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:50,360
would never problicize it if I did, but I wish

950
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,920
there were cops with open minds who would ask me

951
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,760
about things, because I would like to use this for

952
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:57,880
you know, if there's a way it could help people.

953
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,920
I do know psychicks that will will not use it

954
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,360
to help cops because of the karma rules. I try

955
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,039
not to quarrel with anyone else's beliefs on this.

956
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: You know, well that's true, that's for each But Psychic

957
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,800
Detectives I think was one of the best television shows

958
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,480
ever and one of the most felling, and that was

959
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,840
on Ane and I don't know why it was discontinued

960
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:25,400
because you know, to juxtapose chief of police, a detective,

961
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,559
a state trooper, an attorney general and say, hey, look,

962
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:32,280
I don't know how this person did this.

963
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,199
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of cops out there who are

964
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,599
so psychic and they know it, they just don't call

965
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,760
it that. They're really heroic. And by the way, Chip

966
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,599
Coffee was doing an amazing show where he helped children,

967
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,239
and that is so important because so many children are

968
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,239
coming into the I mean, there are poor little things

969
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,519
are third eyes opening and people are freaked out about it.

970
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,840
Chip was not only demystifiant, he was helping protect them.

971
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, we you know, speaking of phenomenon phenomenon, Chip was

972
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,000
down there. What was the last year mark when we

973
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,400
were down there.

974
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: He's been down there the last couple of years.

975
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's going to be there, it

976
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,159
would have been And what an honest sincere. You know,

977
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,960
that man's in it for all the right reasons to

978
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:13,400
help add a lesson he's got.

979
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:17,559
Speaker 3: Like laser vision and what he did, he's sort of

980
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,239
I really wish there were two of him. One he

981
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,599
could help with show his parents, because most kids w

982
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,400
show this their parents should be in federal prison. Chip

983
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:30,960
was just he knows the right things. And you know

984
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,880
when you said that a while ago about you know,

985
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,519
I saw an amazing UFO. I just want to say this.

986
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,199
When I was twenty one and really it was. It

987
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,400
was beautiful and even made me sad when it left.

988
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,559
It was like a close encounter of the third Time

989
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:46,719
movie moment. And I think it was just my thoughts

990
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,159
that people had been confusing angels and aliens maybe for

991
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,239
thousands of years.

992
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Speaker 5: Wow, this is something Mark and I have been discussing

993
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,920
with a lot of our guests, the crossover that maybe

994
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,400
there is is not a line of demarcation between what

995
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,280
we think is spiritual. And I find more and more

996
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,840
evidence to support exactly what you said, that maybe we

997
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:13,920
just don't understand that they're all one of the same continuum.

998
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960
And I think you have a very good insight into that,

999
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:18,800
and we could talk about it.

1000
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 3: You know, there's probably and there's probably fallen angels or

1001
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,400
malevolent extraterrestrial entities, and I can say so with certainty

1002
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,559
that I will not have to tangle with them. It's

1003
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,079
not because I'm special, it's just the way it lined

1004
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,599
up in this life. And I do believe a lot

1005
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,000
of people who are called they prefer to be called

1006
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,079
experiencers versus abductees.

1007
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 5: Right.

1008
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: I'm just very glad that that experience or implants aren't

1009
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,119
part of my loop that I go.

1010
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:53,639
Speaker 6: In We've had many of those experiencers on our shows,

1011
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:55,760
and some of them are actually good friends of ours.

1012
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,920
So yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from. The

1013
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,920
from there, because especially with what a few of them

1014
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,679
are going through right now, it's not fun.

1015
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,119
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've also heard some of them say

1016
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,440
so gladly that they were not well, they were not

1017
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,360
chosen this, that it's transforming them.

1018
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, how could it not? You know, here my approach,

1019
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,360
over all these years, forty years of being in media,

1020
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,760
I am a very skeptical if you will, but not

1021
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,199
in a negative sense, but just a cautious investigator. That's

1022
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,079
that always has that little guy on my shoulder saying,

1023
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,719
don't forget as you go through this, what if? What

1024
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,000
if this is real? Think of the consequences and what

1025
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:44,159
a you know, I feel sorry, and I don't say

1026
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,079
this in an arrogant way. I feel sorry for the

1027
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,159
for the poor woman or man that goes through life

1028
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,159
and sees nothing beyond their daily drudgery and existence that

1029
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,960
doesn't understand that there are things that are readily available

1030
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:04,519
and and objectively provable that we don't understand. The change

1031
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:08,599
everything about how mundane a survival.

1032
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 3: All that off exact exactly. Cheekspeare said it right when

1033
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,800
he said there are more things than heaven and Earth

1034
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,199
that you have dreamed of a ratio. It's when we

1035
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,599
when we lose the ability to be capable of childlike wonder.

1036
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,599
And I know that's where skeptics run in, going aha,

1037
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,920
that's where he got you that it is wishful thinking

1038
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:32,039
or delusion. It's uh. I can't quarrel with it. I

1039
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,159
don't even show fords it, you know, except how do

1040
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,119
these things help? And it's one thing that I have

1041
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,400
in common with a lot of mediums. Every time it happens,

1042
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,920
I hope, I hope. I can't see today where I'll

1043
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,400
be jaded enough where when specific information comes in as

1044
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,639
in names, first and last names, there's there's no way.

1045
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,920
And I can't do this. If I scratch my face

1046
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,519
up like Tabitha Samantha's kid, I'm be wished. I can't

1047
00:53:58,519 --> 00:53:58,840
do it.

1048
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,079
Speaker 5: I can't make that analogy. But I also think, and

1049
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,159
this is a total aside, forgive me, Mark, I'm going

1050
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,320
to take you down a side street here, but go

1051
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,079
for I think there's there's far we have far too

1052
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:14,239
much of the mentality of ethyl krabits in this country anymore.

1053
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,400
We got people look at you, sticking their nose in

1054
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:22,320
everybody else's business and watching what you're doing. And right, exactly,

1055
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,079
I guess obviously we watched the same show as while

1056
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:25,800
we were growing up.

1057
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: But she's a stab ribbing harpy and you know what,

1058
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,679
And don't think I don't know I have something in

1059
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,079
common with her. If I resent something, God knows, I

1060
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,239
resemble it. So Nancy Grace and I are both expressive,

1061
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:43,880
you know, but righteous Southern women. But I just I

1062
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,239
don't want to. I don't want to ever be so

1063
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,440
sure of myself about meeting out punishment the way she is.

1064
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:51,559
And I you know, it's it was a lesson for.

1065
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,559
Speaker 1: Me to see her, Nancy Grace, heck and Colter.

1066
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: Oh and Coulter, Well, that's just you know, the things

1067
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,159
I've done in this life, I've never done that.

1068
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:06,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, What can I ask you some practical questions

1069
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,519
on how how you go through the process? Do you

1070
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,800
do you have Is there a team on the other

1071
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,480
side that you interact with on a regular basis, or

1072
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,679
it is just you know, folks.

1073
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,679
Speaker 3: Will somebody asked me like several months ago, like and

1074
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,559
she just seems so sure. I know. She goes, what

1075
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:23,639
are your spirit guide's names? And I went, I don't know.

1076
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:27,480
I Neette and Carlos. I have no idea. It's not

1077
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,599
because I'm cowed. It's just there's a place on the

1078
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:34,039
other side that is so past names. I do something

1079
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,840
that I consider important about protection. I say it, it's

1080
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,840
something it's beyond words, but I actually do say. You

1081
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,639
guys know Robert Monroe from the Neroe Institute out of body, well,

1082
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,280
he was so so so beautifully left brain. He and

1083
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,639
his team wrote a technical induction that basically says, we

1084
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:02,159
deeply decide desire the assistants understand of soul that our

1085
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,079
level of experience and beyond, and we ask for protection

1086
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,639
from anything that would provide us when less than our

1087
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:11,920
stated desires. That when he began to do that fifteen

1088
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,840
years after his first obees, a profound different happened in

1089
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,159
their experiences, both collectively and individually. That they were shown

1090
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,880
by a plurality of highly intelligent spiritual entities, things that

1091
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,519
we're illuminating in specific like past life ways all the

1092
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:35,599
way to higher consciousness. So I'm mystified by that. It's

1093
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:38,480
sort of like I see there's dead loved ones, and

1094
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,199
beyond that there are spirit guides, and then I know

1095
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,679
angel just means messenger, and apparently they can take on

1096
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,639
human form because we vapor. Luck if we saw that

1097
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,119
light and people have high vibrations, that helps the reading.

1098
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,960
And sometimes right before, right before I have the appointment,

1099
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:00,519
I will get like well one d I inferticular. For

1100
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,480
the first few minutes for the call, I kept hearing

1101
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:05,400
a buzzing in my ear and I didn't think I

1102
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,360
was going to get anything for him, And finally I

1103
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,920
blurted out, do you have tonightis? And when the guy said, God, yes,

1104
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:13,440
at that moment, the buzzing in my ear stopped.

1105
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 5: Wow. So how do you explain that?

1106
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,519
Speaker 3: I don't know unless it's the impath part of me.

1107
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,519
And I don't know how to break this down into

1108
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,440
all the different clayers, clairvoyance, clor ghosts, stuff like that.

1109
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:31,239
But when a particular thing is coming up for me strongly,

1110
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,639
when they're trying to give me audio, it almost always

1111
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,599
involves the fact that the person to whom I'm speaking

1112
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:41,360
has a gift in this particular area. I want to

1113
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,960
lie all the time, but most of the time we're.

1114
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 5: Coming up on our break real quick and we'll be back.

1115
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:48,159
I want to leave you with this concept we had

1116
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:51,280
Marty Roseblatt on a couple months ago. Was fascinating in

1117
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,519
a remote viewer if you're familiar with that. And I

1118
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:58,639
continually look as Mark knows at where the tangents of

1119
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:04,079
where the unquote scientific community that that side of life

1120
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,559
is now just you know, punching around the edges of

1121
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,599
things that they always dismissed as being fufu and nonsense

1122
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:15,559
for years, And once again I'm looking at, you know,

1123
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:21,039
the writings of people, the beliefs of many world religions

1124
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,880
of all types, and how this you know, I'm trying

1125
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,360
to read to draw a common thread through this as

1126
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,760
we learn more about it. And when we come back,

1127
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,039
i'd like to have you, you know, give your thoughts

1128
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:35,119
on that. I mean, you're in it and you handle it,

1129
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:39,000
and you are a practitioner of a very amazing set

1130
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:42,159
of capabilities, and you know, what are your thoughts when

1131
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:44,320
we come back after the breakout on that.

1132
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,199
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's time for us to go to break.

1133
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,639
Speaker 6: So you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio and we'll be

1134
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,639
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1135
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don't go away.

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Speaker 2: Add what a lovely day, guys. Don't forget.

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Speaker 4: Skywatchers Radio is now live every Wednesday night at ten

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pm to midnight right here on the Dark Matter Radio Network.

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Speaker 6: And welcome back to everybody to Unknown Organs Radio here

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on the Darkner Radio Network. I'm Mark Johnson, your host,

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and joining me is our co host Bruce Pearson, and

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we are talking tonight with actress, comedian, author, and psychic

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medium Brett Butler. And Bruce, you were asking some questions

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just before we wanted to go on the when we

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went on the break, and I was wondering if you

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could just summarize that real quick and we'll see what

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Brett has to say about that.

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Speaker 5: So Brett does, is the left half and the right

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half of your brain having a fistfighter? Are they shaking

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hands in water?

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Speaker 3: They're shaking hands more than ever. But my right side

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has to chill out sometimes, and on my left. I'm

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out of my left brain for even stepping into the phrase,

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because it would be like me taking you know, say

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teaching advanced math. But that way it would be laughable.

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There are people with impeccable academic crudentials, Thank goodness. I'm

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giving an example Larry Dawsy, MD, who wrote a wonderful

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book about precognition and how it has served humanity four

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thousands of years. And sometimes when people just hear that

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regular people have access to these gifts, they they I'll

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just tryed it like this. I was a really great waitress,

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and I will wash a waiter or a waitress carrying

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the tray with a great deal of trepidation, and I

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will say, don't look at the tray. Your body knows

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how to balance it right. And if they hear me

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in it, they're flying across the room with that tramp

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in their hands, with all those plates on it. There's

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a place right next to our conscious thought. That doesn't

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mean it's mindless or that we're making it up, but

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that's why they call it intuition. And Bob and Roe's

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theory about it, it's an interesting one, is that we're

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born on a beautiful planet where we cannot just see

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beautiful things on the earth. We can see the stars,

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and our ability to communicate in nonverbal ways has diminished

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because of all these exciting things outside of us. And

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part of the experience is that other people have had

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in out of body exploration have to do with, you know,

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places where nonverbal communications just required. I think we're moving

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towards a telepathic society. One hundred years ago. This is

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just me. I think it was the golden age of

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mediumship because of World War One and influenza. It was

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the first time in recorded history. Well maybe it's exception

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of the plague in the Dark Ages where that many

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people were leaving the earth, and one hundred years ago

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you could be an intelligent, upstanding member of society and

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deeply interested in spiritualism and not laughed at like you know,

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people like William James and Sir Arthur Cone Boyle. They

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studied it and they and they stopped all over people

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who were faking it too. You know, I'm in a

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carnival now where some of the people really can seem

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to they're like magic acts. They seem like they have

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the gifts, but they don't. I'm not here to judge them.

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It's everybody, you know, I'm an entertainer. But if people

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who are you know, engaged, like Gary Schwartz and Arizona

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who studied this academically and people at them in Row Institute,

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the more work these people do, the better it is

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for all of us to access the stuff.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, you mentioned that you think we may

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be going into a more being, a coming a psychic society,

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and you know, one of the things that you know,

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in all the research that I've done and talking with people,

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I actually feel that it was quite possible. We used

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to be a highly psychic society before. If you if

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you go back to most cultures have have a story

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of a great flood and that destroyed society of the world,

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and then you could find that, you know, whether it's

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in the Bible or any other culture around the planet.

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But yet there's also these long standing cultures that they

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talked about before. Then with you know, have Atlantis or

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Lemuria or any of these highly advanced civilizations that you know,

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whatever reason they were destroyed, there's a possibility always looked

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at there's a kernel of truth in most legends, and

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it seems that it's quite possible we are born with

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this ability.

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Speaker 1: We've had it.

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Speaker 6: I think it got kind of taken away from us,

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and we've been living in these dark ages for these

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last five ten thousand years, whatever it is, and now

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we're getting to a point where it's we have a

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potential to bring it back. And then at the same time,

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I also see what's happening with us with society, with

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all the flashy toys and gadgets and everything that's distracting

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us every five minutes, that that is a detriment to that.

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Speaker 5: I would like to enhance that because I think you're

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right on Mark, and i'd like to get Brett's opinion

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of this. I think that's it's a dichotomy that even

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though as we advance and is something as simple in

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paranormal investigations to have the recording equipment as a broadcast

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engineer that allows us to do absolutely spectacular, high quality

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digital recording that will allow us to evaluate evidence that

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we collect by the same token. And here's the perfect

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you know, as far as I'm concerned, the poster child

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for how how disengaging technology is sit in a you know,

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next time you're in a TGI Fridays or someplace, sit

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and watch two teenagers texting each other and they're they're

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within arm's length of the technology serves a purpose to

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distance us from each other and blocks any kind of that.

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So I think it. I think it works in both directions.

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And they're a counter you know, counter capabilities. I don't

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know what is that a kind of a crazy concept

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or do you think that that's a valid observation.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's real. And the parents and I've noticed

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over the last twenty thirty years it's like I used

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to tell my mother, like, I'm bored, and in that

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time of being bored, that kid, a kid has a

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chance to day dream, right, And I suppose I had

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I had a mean a friend's mean mother used to say,

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if you're bored, you're boring, which I got, come on,

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she's eight years old. That's a bit much. But in

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that in that off time where parents, I guess, we're

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so afraid my kids will in that minute run off

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of the bad ground or start taking drugs. We all

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know babies talk to the corner of rooms before they

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can they're babbling to something. When we come in and speech,

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the necessity for speech is rightly pulls us away from

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that spirit world. It's why I'm glad I don't walk

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around knowing about my past life because I have to

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turn left and clean tat box within this one, right,

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But every now and then the other side signals. And

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the fact is is that there are things we can

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only do in this skin that we can't do over there.

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And I think they help us, they root for us

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in a lot of ways. You're right. I think technology

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it hasn't it hasn't failed us, and perhaps there's a

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way to Like you said, the equipment is. I knew

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some guys in North Georgia that were Civil War reenactors

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and they were really die hard. They'd even played Yankees,

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so but they kept having so much stuff come across

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in EVP and video and even one on one apparitions

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that they fell out, regrouped and came back. Is a

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paranormal investigating group with a really high standard of evidential proof.

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And I ask them because what they're doing in their case,

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and this is my only argument with some of the

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shows where they punk grossed. You know, they go into

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a place where a hideous history and scream and try

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to start. That's like me going into a kindergarten classroom,

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finding the biggest five year old girl and telling her

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I could kick her butt. It's it's it's kids stuff,

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you know. But at a bigger level, imagine when you

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guys are talking about that event you're having here Gettysburg,

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which is pretty much if there's any sacred ground in

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the country of things where paranormal proof and also historical

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importance collides, that's a great place to find it. So

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if you're smart and your closet thing, and there are

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people I know that are ashamed of this, they'll tell me,

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you know, professionals in a confidential way. Like so, I

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never wanted to tell anyone this, but I swear after

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my dad died, I saw him or something. I go,

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you did did?

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Speaker 6: But see when I was growing up with my parents,

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and you know, my mother a lover, but you know,

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I had some strange experiences when I was young. I

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heard somebody calling my name on more than one occasion.

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I thought sometimes thought it was with my mother, and

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I go, what did you want? She goes, I didn't

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call you? And so that happened a few times. And

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then but then if I thought I saw something, whatever,

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what's the first thing ever out of her mouth?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's your imagination.

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Speaker 6: She absolutely refused to believe in anything, and she always

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made sure to tell us it was our imagination, or

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you dreamed it, or you're making it up.

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Speaker 3: You know, well, it happened to your mom too. That's

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why it's disconcerting, to say the least, to see to

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see things like that. And it also ships generations. You know,

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it's hard for me to uh in. One of the

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things the left brain negotiates better than the right brain

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is fear. And I learned this from reading Robert Monroe's

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books He went through because I'll call it the lower

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astral level. I think when light and love and purpose

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conspire to advance or multiply, that adversarial energy can come around.

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And the first mistake is in taking it personally, because

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it will manifest in scary ways, like something that says

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it'll sit on your chest before you're about to go

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to slut, things that you know, I just I don't

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want to deal with. But Robert Monroe, and you read

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in his books he was terrified and would just keep

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his mind on like the next best thing, like he

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would demand to be protected or think of love and

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it would it would help. And that also there's an

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abundance of stuff. Kevin Williams website on near death Experiences

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is another great way to study it. I'm just a radio.

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There's a lot of them. There's a lot of spirits

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that are tickled, and I'm a medium, and there's a

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bunch that don't like that would prefer to use another medium.

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You know, how do they how.

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Speaker 5: Do they explain that to you?

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Speaker 3: Do they It's it's because i've because they've kind of

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I know, it sounds crazy. They let me know because

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it was, you know, unless I make the mistake of

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being flattered that there are you know, one one in particular,

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it was one of my first, uh, one of my

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first uh. My my friend's father came through and after

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she was gone, I noticed that he was around and

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I'm not going to say he was a spirit guy,

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but he was kind of it's weird. So she was

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gone and I was like, well, he's still here, and

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he said, no, this is this is just they show

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me how it works, and then I get I'll be

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like I'll be made aware of some literature about this,

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and I've studied this for thirty years, but I study.

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I'm an interested person. I have books about a lot

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of things. I love history, anthropology, art, and suddenly I

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would find like that if you look up Paget messages

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for example, P A D G E T T. I

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went to my tablet the other night and it was

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on something completely different, and that website was up for me.

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It's less about the messages than explaining mediumship almost one

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hundred years ago. Just the way that it comes through.

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I don't it's a coincidence. I could have my cat

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could have walked on it. I have no idea why.

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But when people feel like I just say this, look,

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don't let it cap you on the shoulder for thirty

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years like it did me. Just pay attention to what if?

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What if this is possible? It doesn't happen. You don't

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have to quit your day job and put out a

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shingle and buy a crystal ball. As a matter of fact,

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please don't do that.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think just having it be open minded enough

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to say, you know, if this were real, is that

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not a game changer? That it puts everything it pales

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all the problems we have to deal with. I mean,

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is tough.

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Speaker 3: Game changer is the absolute way, and that's why I'm

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so fascinated with exopolitics. If you guys remember when several

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years ago the Vatica and made this very calm announcement

1408
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,560
that extraterrestrials will be our brothers and sisters in Christ.

1409
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,880
I heard that when I'm in the room with my mom,

1410
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,199
and my mother said, you think somebody's on the need

1411
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:17,119
to know list, like if people don't want to pay

1412
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:20,520
their bank notes. Now, imagine if that announcement were made, you.

1413
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 5: Know, Well, and why are the Jesuits running the most

1414
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,920
powerful terrestrial telescope you know in the Western hemisphere? Are they?

1415
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:32,279
Speaker 3: I love when science and this deism bump. Fanny's in

1416
01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:36,399
the nice guy that's just going to be just amazing, amazing.

1417
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,760
Gays are ahead, you guys.

1418
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm saying, Yeah, Mike, and I heard

1419
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,000
Mark's heard me say this many times, you know, when

1420
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:44,600
mainstream science is sticking its nose under the tent here

1421
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,479
a little bit. So I think that no matter how

1422
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,000
you you know, as simplistic as it sounds, whether we

1423
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,560
whether we answer some of these questions about you know,

1424
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,359
string theory, multiverse, alternate theoretical universe. And I'm certainly not

1425
01:15:59,399 --> 01:16:03,560
a physicist or theoretical physicists. But whether we figure out

1426
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,239
what's what's going on and explain it in our lifetime

1427
01:16:07,359 --> 01:16:09,920
or ten lifetimes, if we don't blow ourselves up or

1428
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:15,159
burn ourselves up or whatever it will, there will come

1429
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:18,399
a point where we understand there's no doubt. I mean,

1430
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,159
as an engineer, there's no doubt. People like you, you've

1431
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:25,079
witnessed it. You know, there's no way of telling, you know,

1432
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:27,720
a pilot with thirty thousand hours of what he didn't

1433
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,680
see when he knows damn well what he did see.

1434
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,600
And I've interviewed many of them, gone all over the

1435
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,960
world in cockpit. You're not going to tell people that

1436
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:38,840
those anecdotal pieces of evidence are not real. All right,

1437
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,279
If ninety percent of them are misconceptions or misconstruances or

1438
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,880
you know, things that that's fine. But sooner or later

1439
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,439
we will come to the understanding, just like we came

1440
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,760
to the understanding that the Earth is not flat, and

1441
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,079
so many other things, that the planes would fly and

1442
01:16:54,119 --> 01:16:57,760
so forth, we will come to that understanding that we

1443
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,199
just don't understand the physics and the mechan by which

1444
01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:06,560
this These are real, functional, actual activities. We just can't

1445
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,960
comprehend them anymore than we can see ultraviolet or infrared light.

1446
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,880
And yet we know that spectrum is there because we

1447
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,399
see what it does. I think that's a perfect analogy

1448
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,680
for how ignorant we are in the most literal and

1449
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:17,920
positive sense of the work.

1450
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 6: Well, I bring up this analogy all the time, the

1451
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,199
fact that one hundred years ago trying to explain radiation

1452
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:26,800
or even measuring it, and now we have a Geiger

1453
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,760
counter and you can measure the amount of radiation that

1454
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,960
you know. I feel that for a lot of not

1455
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:37,399
only psychic abilities, paramanormal events. You know, the skeptics say, well,

1456
01:17:37,399 --> 01:17:39,640
where's the proof, where's the proof. We're not at that

1457
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:44,119
technological level yet to find a way to measure it,

1458
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,159
to give that kind of proof, because I think a

1459
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:51,359
lot of mechanics are still just beyond our comprehension and

1460
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:53,439
we're not sure how to measure. Now we can measure

1461
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,960
the effects. And again we've mentioned our friend David Rowntree

1462
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,439
on the show many times and some of the work

1463
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,119
that he has been doing with measuring what seems to

1464
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:06,720
be what you would refer to as portals opening and

1465
01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:11,760
a type of Einstein rosenbridge that gives off gamma radiation.

1466
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:16,279
He's measured that radiation, and that radiation spikes whenever there's

1467
01:18:16,319 --> 01:18:20,319
paranormal activity, and then when that portal seems to close

1468
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,239
the end, the energy disappears, the activity stops. Same thing

1469
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:27,840
where he did some experiments working with psychics, and when

1470
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,800
a psychic medium such as yourself was starting to receive impressions,

1471
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:36,640
he started measuring a location where this gamma ray burst

1472
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,000
was coming from, where an Einstein rosenbridge was opening. There's

1473
01:18:40,039 --> 01:18:42,520
that portal and the information was coming through and the

1474
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,079
psychic was able to pick it up. So we're getting

1475
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:49,119
to a point where we can certainly measure some of

1476
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:51,119
the effects, but I still think we have a ways

1477
01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:55,159
to go to be able to definitively measure it. And then,

1478
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:56,680
of course you're going to get a lot of push

1479
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,439
and shove from other mainstream scientists who may be are

1480
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,199
you know, they're also religious and it goes against their

1481
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:04,119
religious beliefs.

1482
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,279
Speaker 5: Well yeah, And but if you look at how this communication,

1483
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,239
and let's let's just label it in the broadest sense

1484
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:17,880
of communication, how many different disparate entities from Nikola Tesla

1485
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:23,800
to you know, the Hopies, to mister Paget, I mean

1486
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:29,439
James Paget, he as you discussed the Paget messages, what

1487
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,840
you do on a regular basis. The proof is that

1488
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:37,079
whether we look at dark matter, whether we talk about

1489
01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:40,960
the continuum or the ether. Uh, look at major world

1490
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:44,359
religions that for thousands of years feel that, I mean,

1491
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:46,960
even the Catholic Church up until the Council of Nicea

1492
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:51,319
believed part of its catechism was reincarnation. Look at the

1493
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:54,600
factional evidence of children that have been reincardinating. There's no

1494
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,359
possible way it's been in the British landset. It's been

1495
01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:00,520
in the am a journal I mean, there's been doctors

1496
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:08,000
and psychologists and psychiatrists that have documented absolute journalistic you know,

1497
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,239
take it to court and you could prove your case

1498
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:15,479
documentation of children that have documented past lives. This this

1499
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,880
stuff is not anecdotal or or theoretical. We just don't

1500
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,199
understand this. I think it's a unified theory of how communications,

1501
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:28,600
verbal or nonverbal take place in our world. And perhaps

1502
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,399
we're slowly dragging ourselves out of the mud. If we

1503
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,760
live long enough to answer these questions. You're on a

1504
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:38,720
you know, you are manifesting through what you do, a

1505
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:45,520
real world, verifiable skill and capability that we just don't

1506
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,640
have the mechanism, as Mark said, to explain how it works.

1507
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,359
But it does work. There's no way of denying it anymore.

1508
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,119
You know, in the in the in the past, it

1509
01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:54,880
was easy to say, well, I got to get more sleep,

1510
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,479
or you know, or and God bless you, I know,

1511
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,600
you know, due respect to you, I've got to stop drinking,

1512
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,800
or your mom or dad saying you know, you had

1513
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,520
a nightmare, just go to bed and shut up. This

1514
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,920
is ridiculous. There's nobody in your room crawling around.

1515
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:10,159
Speaker 2: You know.

1516
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 5: Maybe guess what. Maybe these things were happening, but we

1517
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:17,159
just dismissed them because we didn't have the technical capabilities.

1518
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:19,840
It's like taking a nuclear sub and dropping it in

1519
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,640
the middle of the Spanish Armada. They couldn't deny that

1520
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,680
it was there, but they certainly didn't know what the

1521
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,520
hell it was or how it worked. And I think

1522
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,359
that that's a reasonable way to say, yeah, look, you

1523
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:30,640
got to take it a step at a time.

1524
01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 3: Well, I have Well, I think that many people, for example,

1525
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,760
are institutionalized because they just don't know where the voices

1526
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:38,600
are coming from.

1527
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 5: Well what about that? What about people that are doped

1528
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,720
up because you know you've got something, And let's face it,

1529
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,760
there are chemical problems and certainly illnesses and so forth.

1530
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,439
But yeah, what about how many people that really had

1531
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,279
somebody taking Let me ask you something though, Brett and

1532
01:21:55,279 --> 01:21:57,880
I think this is an important point. Do you see

1533
01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:02,000
the people that to communicate with you or do you

1534
01:22:02,079 --> 01:22:05,039
merely hear them? Is it an audible both?

1535
01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 3: It's both, And again I have a friend that sees

1536
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,560
them like it's like the movie. Does she sees them

1537
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,039
walking around? That would be first of all, I think

1538
01:22:13,159 --> 01:22:16,520
she needs to ask for greater protection. And as soon

1539
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,840
as we ask for it, it's given us. But it's

1540
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:23,600
although I'm able to describe physical and identifying things. Again,

1541
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,520
it changes. It goes from Claire buoyant to Claire audience,

1542
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,000
often depending on the person's energy to whom I'm speaking,

1543
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:36,319
Wow it. And again, anybody that says in the old

1544
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:38,399
days when you had to joggle a dial to get

1545
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,520
the station more clearly there you go to stations that way.

1546
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 5: I've said this a million times, just like the old

1547
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,159
m radios where you got two stations on this at

1548
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:49,199
the same time. That may be what's happening, either that

1549
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:52,560
late frequencies a little off of us or them. Because

1550
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,039
there's so many anecdotal descriptions of WHOA they were shocked

1551
01:22:56,079 --> 01:22:57,920
to see me as I was to see them, or

1552
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,119
they were freaked out.

1553
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:02,159
Speaker 3: I've said, well, if you guys heard of what was

1554
01:23:02,199 --> 01:23:07,159
his name, Friedrich Jurgensen was a guy who and he

1555
01:23:07,239 --> 01:23:09,319
was a renaissance man. I mean he was like an

1556
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:12,239
opera singer. He painted the commission portraits of the popes.

1557
01:23:12,279 --> 01:23:15,640
He was an amateur ornithologist. One day he was listening

1558
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,760
to bird calls that he had recorded and heard a

1559
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,439
voice saying, freedom freedl Is that you, my little freedel.

1560
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,239
It was his deceased mother that launched him into a

1561
01:23:25,319 --> 01:23:29,600
decade long investigation of after death communication. And he was

1562
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:35,600
friends with an international assortment of bona fide intellectuals, from

1563
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:41,000
psychologists to physicians to lawyers. And at the end when

1564
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,720
they closed their group they shut it down. It wasn't

1565
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,239
because they're not getting communication from the dead. He wrote

1566
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:51,199
the most jovial letter. He said, the fact is they're

1567
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:54,119
coming through on our computer. Screens, and this was when

1568
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:57,479
people were just getting computers in their homes. They're coming

1569
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,159
through on our televisions, they're coming on the reverse of

1570
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:04,920
audio tapes still and unsealed cartons. And from what I gather,

1571
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:10,239
there are whole schools in the in the great unseen

1572
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:15,399
that are working daily to find different ways to get

1573
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:19,479
in touch with us, and and mediumship is just one

1574
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,760
of the ways. And I happen to think it's one

1575
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,239
of the ways. Further down the ladder, I've I again,

1576
01:24:26,359 --> 01:24:29,119
it's I'm not demeaning it at all, but I think

1577
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:33,640
some of you people who are astronomers and historians are

1578
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,840
are working very much intuitively, and you're and that we're

1579
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:42,159
getting help from some really high guides. Wisdom doesn't end

1580
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:44,560
in a lifetime. And you guys have read when people

1581
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,720
cross over the after death stories, the first thing they

1582
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,399
say is who did you love? And what are you

1583
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,560
good at? Because by God you need it over here.

1584
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 5: Wow.

1585
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:55,239
Speaker 6: Let me let me ask you then, in terms of

1586
01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:58,920
your experiences, I mean, you've you've mentioned how you pick

1587
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,960
up information you and sense these energies when people are

1588
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,760
there and the information starts coming. Have you ever had

1589
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,239
any other types of experiences and that helps, you know,

1590
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:12,199
kind of validate some of your own thoughts anything in

1591
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:17,479
terms of out of body travel or astral protection or

1592
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,840
some type of listeners.

1593
01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:21,199
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. I talk about that a lot, and

1594
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:24,359
I studied the Monroe books and stuff because there's some

1595
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:29,560
of the more grounded explorations as opposed to going into

1596
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,800
things that are truly occult with rituals or things like that.

1597
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,640
I don't, as they say where I'm from, I don't

1598
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:39,960
have much truck with that. I'm interested in pragmatic attempts

1599
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,800
to figure this out, and I don't think anyone did

1600
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,640
a better job than Bob and Roe. There is a

1601
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,640
man named William Buehlman who was the living American expert

1602
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,720
and out of body experience. His definition of consciousness, by

1603
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,720
the way, is so I think it's so cool. He says,

1604
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:59,600
consciousness is non physical energy that extends its influence through

1605
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:05,439
the ball of biological vehicles. Wow, and I love that.

1606
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,800
But in his book it Ventures out of the Body,

1607
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,520
the whole first part of the book is it's brilliantly written,

1608
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:17,119
but very It's a simple, simply written account of out

1609
01:26:17,119 --> 01:26:21,119
of body astral travel on Earth by as recorded by

1610
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:25,680
humans and what happens, and how it's regarded in social

1611
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,399
and political ways, and how it's been diminished, and then

1612
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,239
the last part of his book, how only has won.

1613
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:34,840
He's got several techniques. And it's funny that I would

1614
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,840
see bad people and not be in a big hurry

1615
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,039
to leave my body several months ago, and it's probably

1616
01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:42,520
because I've been reading about this so much and meditating.

1617
01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:46,000
I had an inadverten out of body experience, but I

1618
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:48,279
was very sick at the time, and I saw my

1619
01:26:48,319 --> 01:26:50,319
body on the bed just from the ceiling, and I

1620
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:52,960
thought I died and panicked and got right back on

1621
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:55,600
my body. And then I'm glad I did because I

1622
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,520
was I think I would have kicked my own butt

1623
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,439
just then. I went, oh, damn it. You had a

1624
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,840
chance to go fly around. But it scared me. And

1625
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,920
that's because my west brain has not done the homework.

1626
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I've had experiences where I can't say

1627
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,000
if I've ever really had an out of body experience.

1628
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:19,239
I've had some lucid dreams where I fly and let

1629
01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:20,800
me tell you you tho now.

1630
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 3: By the way, because it's so cool, because don't it

1631
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,640
don't hardly ever have flying dreams anymore. That is awesome.

1632
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,399
Speaker 6: Let me tell you something, Not only do I get

1633
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:33,239
them fairly often, I freaking love it, okay, and it

1634
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,880
makes me diss It makes me disappointed when I can't

1635
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,720
do it in my everyday life because I just want

1636
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,960
to spring up off the ground, go flying around the neighborhood,

1637
01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:44,319
you know, go floating up and doing whatever I want.

1638
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:45,119
Speaker 1: I get that.

1639
01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 6: Happening in dreams, and it's always in a dream like state,

1640
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,359
so I but again, I'm still aware enough of it,

1641
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,479
and it happens enough that you know, and and when

1642
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,960
it happens it not only feels totally natural, I freaking

1643
01:27:58,039 --> 01:28:00,039
love it. And then here I come back and I

1644
01:28:00,039 --> 01:28:02,039
wake up in the morning, I'm going, damn it.

1645
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,079
Speaker 5: Well.

1646
01:28:03,159 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 3: Now, look, if you want, since that's in your wheelhouse,

1647
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,800
I got to tell you that you would probably if

1648
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,279
you made a concerted and yet it's hard to say this.

1649
01:28:14,359 --> 01:28:17,399
You have to make a concerted but relaxed, gentle effort

1650
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,000
with yourself to just do some of the things that

1651
01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:24,760
make you more susceptible in that hypnogogic, that pre sleep state.

1652
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,119
That's like with Einstein used to take naps, sitting up

1653
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:30,800
with the ball bearing in his hand. When the ball dropped,

1654
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,359
he was hurried to gather his thoughts because he believed

1655
01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:39,600
that that crossover into the spiritual, into the subconscious. And

1656
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,079
scientists have done this stuff. They stimulate the temporal lobes

1657
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,039
and that actually makes people feel that they're out of

1658
01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:49,119
their body, so they go, aha, see it's scientific. That's

1659
01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:52,439
what happens that. You know. They're so anxious to give

1660
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:58,199
an electrical definition to these phenomenal experiences. And maybe in

1661
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:01,439
that way, miracle is not a good word and implies scarcity,

1662
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,640
but they're everywhere. But from everything I've read and see

1663
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,159
on my own, you are a spit and a fanny

1664
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:10,640
shake away from having OBEs at will, which would be great.

1665
01:29:11,399 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 5: Is unique. That's a nice way to mante I like

1666
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:15,159
that term.

1667
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:17,399
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you also mentioned about with the skeptics

1668
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:20,600
and scientists. You know, they also try to claim that,

1669
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,600
you know, these people who have had near death experiences,

1670
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,159
and we've talked with many people here on the show

1671
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:29,039
who've had that that you know, they try to explain

1672
01:29:29,079 --> 01:29:31,720
away all wits, the synapses in the brain and the

1673
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:37,439
electrons misfiring and causing hallucinations. That doesn't work when the

1674
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:42,760
person is actually literally brain dead for several minutes and

1675
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,960
they can't possibly be getting any input, there's no neural

1676
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:50,640
activity whatsoever. And yet they come back and they can

1677
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,479
tell the doctors what they've all were.

1678
01:29:52,319 --> 01:29:54,520
Speaker 1: Doing in the room during that time, you know.

1679
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,199
Speaker 6: And then the science just poop poos it and says, well,

1680
01:29:57,239 --> 01:29:59,760
you know, it's the it's just the neurons. It's it's

1681
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:03,319
an it's an illusion, or it's a hallucination. But yet

1682
01:30:03,399 --> 01:30:06,159
that's not the case again, because we talked with several people,

1683
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,720
and there's many documented cases of some people who've been

1684
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:15,079
dead almost twenty minutes and cannot possibly be hallucinating during

1685
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:15,600
that time.

1686
01:30:16,039 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 3: I loved the story of George RhoD and Iya, the

1687
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:21,279
Russian man who was run over by the KGB and

1688
01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:25,000
in the morgue for three days. He George Ritchie and

1689
01:30:25,239 --> 01:30:30,439
thank God for Raymond Moody. At nineteen, I had what

1690
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,800
I didn't know was an NDE at the time I

1691
01:30:34,199 --> 01:30:37,199
was in the hospital, I had an ectopic pregnancy. And

1692
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,600
when I'm lucky because when I came to the little town,

1693
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,000
my family, my family doctor who was there, and I said,

1694
01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:48,199
I just saw my great grandfather. And also it hurt

1695
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:50,640
when I came back. It hurt my ears really bad.

1696
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,079
Just those two things are all I remember. And when

1697
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,439
and I had paired and I really was dying, And

1698
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,399
I'm not saying I was declared at all I know

1699
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,840
is what I said. And when I got back, he

1700
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,079
had a chair pulled up and said he was old.

1701
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:07,039
He said, Sugar, you would not believe the beautiful stories

1702
01:31:07,039 --> 01:31:10,560
that I hear about. He called it over yonder. And

1703
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,560
this was a man who'd worked in emergency rooms and

1704
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,920
had seen more people crossed than anyone. He said, there's

1705
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,079
no mama that will put it like this, that will

1706
01:31:20,119 --> 01:31:21,720
ever be without her baby again.

1707
01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 5: Wow. I see. That's how do you refute that, you know?

1708
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 3: And that would be a great anecdotal thing together. I mean,

1709
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,439
science be damned. Just go around and ask these people

1710
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,039
who have witnessed this stuff. And Raymond Mudy's book Life

1711
01:31:38,079 --> 01:31:40,960
after Life was a pioneering book, and then he wrote

1712
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,159
one about the psychomanions about how to have that. Why

1713
01:31:44,359 --> 01:31:48,600
then are there atheist and agnostic therapists who are actively

1714
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,920
using induced after death communication therapies because whatever happens to

1715
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,399
their patients, whether they just think they imagine that they saw,

1716
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,960
you know, their dad or their son or whatever, or

1717
01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:04,399
because of that, five more minutes you want to have

1718
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,520
with the deceased. They used to do regularly in a

1719
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,279
fear of Greeks. They had priests in the temple underground

1720
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:11,399
in a looklessing pool.

1721
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 5: Well there's you know. I was trained as a paramedic

1722
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,760
and worked as a number a year in R and

1723
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,720
R OTC and then worked and actually started the first

1724
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,960
private ambulance service out here in West Jersey back in

1725
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:24,439
the eighties.

1726
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 3: You've seen, you've seen people leaving.

1727
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:31,159
Speaker 5: I yes, unfortunately, I've had far too many people die

1728
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:37,840
in my hands. Uh, as of many ems workers. And uh,

1729
01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:41,399
you know it's I find this very strange and and

1730
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,720
if once again to divert but I think it puts

1731
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,920
it in context. You know, we all drive like idiots

1732
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,920
until we see somebody mangled on the road and then

1733
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,239
we slowed out for five minutes, and we still cannot

1734
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,600
internalize the fact that that's reality. Uh, until you have

1735
01:32:58,279 --> 01:33:00,159
you know, there's certain things in life they're kind kind

1736
01:33:00,199 --> 01:33:02,920
of hard to push aside. When you have somebody, you know,

1737
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,800
when you've been to war and you have somebody trying

1738
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,960
to kill you. That makes a lasting impression when you

1739
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,079
have somebody die in your arms, especially a child. Unless

1740
01:33:12,079 --> 01:33:15,720
you're a complete dirt bag, you will never forget that

1741
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:20,359
feeling and it and I am so thankful for the

1742
01:33:20,399 --> 01:33:23,960
eye opening effect that I and the experiences and my

1743
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,760
investigations and my documentaries and this show meeting people like

1744
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,039
you that have opened my eyes. I feel sorry for

1745
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:36,920
people who are so confined by their everyday materialistic and

1746
01:33:37,239 --> 01:33:39,399
that sounds very arrogant. It's not meant to be. It's

1747
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,279
a blessing to me to understand what a game changer

1748
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,319
this information is. And you know, I would just say

1749
01:33:47,359 --> 01:33:50,479
to people, think about let's go back to your discussion

1750
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,640
about when you're a kid. If you're bored, then you're boring.

1751
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:59,319
I would say this, what do practitioners of meditation tell you?

1752
01:33:59,319 --> 01:34:02,079
You need to clear all that clutter, that nonsense, that

1753
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:07,039
continual bombardment of communication and technology and information. You need

1754
01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:10,960
to quiet your mind, You need to relax and focus

1755
01:34:11,039 --> 01:34:15,920
on something beyond that cacophony of of It's so.

1756
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,520
Speaker 3: Hard to do. It's like, you know, we're asking. It's

1757
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,479
like walking on a beautiful country road and when you

1758
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,199
see a bunny rabbit. You can't go, oh, look a

1759
01:34:23,239 --> 01:34:25,039
bunny and go chase the bunny. You have to go, oh,

1760
01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:27,000
there's a rabbit. Keep on the road, Keep on the road.

1761
01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:31,079
It's it's worth that squirming to other out there. There's

1762
01:34:31,119 --> 01:34:32,239
a big payoff.

1763
01:34:33,319 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: It's like the dog in that cartoon, like, Hi, I

1764
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:36,600
love you. I'll have a squirrel.

1765
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Well for our listen.

1766
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,359
Speaker 5: I used to live in New Mexico, and I'll tell

1767
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:48,920
you nothing was more just demonstrable proof of what lies

1768
01:34:49,039 --> 01:34:51,920
beyond our daily existence than to go out. I used

1769
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,680
to go out outside of town once in a while,

1770
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:57,479
just pull my van off the road, or when I

1771
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,359
was riding a motorcycle at night, and just lay down

1772
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,920
on the ground and look at that blanket of stars

1773
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:09,840
and understand. You know, if you are totally concerned about this,

1774
01:35:10,039 --> 01:35:12,199
the reality of what we have to all deal with,

1775
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:15,720
you know, getting our way through this material existence every day,

1776
01:35:16,359 --> 01:35:18,760
that should be enough to let you know it's far

1777
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:24,239
beyond your imagination and hopefully incite people to think a

1778
01:35:24,279 --> 01:35:28,359
little bit beyond, you know, all the things that we

1779
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,439
have aspire to in the materialistic world. I know that

1780
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,600
sounds very esoteric and arrogant, but it's not meant to be.

1781
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,279
Speaker 3: It doesn't. I have to yank myself back on the

1782
01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:40,079
short leash. I'm having this conversation with you, and then

1783
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:41,680
later I have to go to a meeting and you

1784
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,399
watch me. I'll be behind someone who doesn't turn quickly

1785
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,680
up at all left light, and you watch what goes

1786
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,279
through my head. It's like, it's just terrible.

1787
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,399
Speaker 5: I have truly changed my field, and Mark knows this

1788
01:35:53,119 --> 01:35:56,079
my look. I now have come to realize that this

1789
01:35:56,279 --> 01:36:00,359
is a very short ride that we're on. The clock

1790
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:05,279
is winding down and we I've really come a long

1791
01:36:05,319 --> 01:36:08,239
ways to distance myself and say, you know, this bad stuff,

1792
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,359
it's all part of the ride, and sooner or later

1793
01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:13,920
it'll bottom out and you'll come back, or it's not.

1794
01:36:14,079 --> 01:36:17,079
You're not meant to come back, and don't and don't forget.

1795
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:20,039
Nothing's remain static. The good times are not going to

1796
01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:23,439
last forever. Enjoy them and treasure them, and the bad

1797
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:28,000
times will end too. And that changes how much I

1798
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:31,520
take the heart you know, the perceived ills that go

1799
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,159
I think it's all part of this learning process. That's

1800
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:37,079
a major change for me as a type A personality.

1801
01:36:37,079 --> 01:36:39,439
I always been driven to you know, goal oriented, what's

1802
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:43,840
the next step? And so on? And and I'm you know, interesting,

1803
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:46,600
I have I have a commercial driver's license and stuff.

1804
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,760
And I used to haul pro paint part time at

1805
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,279
night in the winter, you know. And that's like driving

1806
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:53,119
down the road and a bomb waiting for somebody to

1807
01:36:53,159 --> 01:36:56,279
cut you off. Uh, people cut me off today. I

1808
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:57,880
you know, I say, hey, well it didn't hit me.

1809
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,840
I didn't scratch anything, no no harm, no foul. You know,

1810
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,279
next time, maybe I won't be so lucky. I don't

1811
01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:06,239
let it bother me anymore because it's just not worth

1812
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,039
in the big picture getting upset over and I and

1813
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:12,199
to me, that's amazing achievement in the way I do things.

1814
01:37:12,199 --> 01:37:15,760
And I think that what you do has to be

1815
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:22,239
so cathartic. Every time you connect someone with their family, relatives, friends,

1816
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:26,359
and see that the the you know, the startling change

1817
01:37:26,399 --> 01:37:29,920
that that that that brings upon them that they'll never erase.

1818
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,079
That's that's quite a remarkable blessing that, you know. I

1819
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,800
I really envy you for being able to do that.

1820
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:41,199
Speaker 3: Well. I quiet card trick. Okay, I'm the pretty sentimental

1821
01:37:41,239 --> 01:37:45,960
person that last week I got it was it was,

1822
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,800
so it was emotional for me because of a very

1823
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:52,760
specific kitten came forth to this woman and I described it,

1824
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,039
and it had a It was just a weird little

1825
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:57,920
kitten with real long leg that anyway, I described the

1826
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,560
spot on a titch. And this woman was in her

1827
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,119
seventies and that was her kitten, her only kitten she

1828
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:07,399
ever had. It died of the terrible, tragic accidental death.

1829
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,399
She it broke her heart so much that she said,

1830
01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:13,239
oh my god, I haven't been able to even look

1831
01:38:13,279 --> 01:38:16,800
at a cat fondly since then. And of all the

1832
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,640
things to come forward, and in my experience, animals tend

1833
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,119
to go and stay in the light sooner. But this

1834
01:38:22,359 --> 01:38:26,680
was sixty five years later. This kitten, with its little

1835
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:30,079
bent tale and its ear that never stood straight up,

1836
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:35,920
came walking back in this goofy little walk. And it's

1837
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,640
a funny name. The kitten's name was Carl, which is

1838
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,840
a weird name to name. I can't it's funny. It

1839
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:45,880
made me laugh. But what made me feel so good

1840
01:38:46,039 --> 01:38:48,159
is and I'll get choked up here. I had to

1841
01:38:48,199 --> 01:38:50,520
say goodbye to one of my dogs several months ago,

1842
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:54,000
and I haven't seen him. I don't use this for me,

1843
01:38:54,079 --> 01:38:57,000
I don't sit and scrunch up. And I've seen I

1844
01:38:57,039 --> 01:38:59,680
get messages for other family members and they come in

1845
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:04,119
my rings. But at least I know that that rainbow

1846
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:09,399
bridge thing, yes, isn't uh, it's it's And I'll probably

1847
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:12,159
have to be dead to understand what all these animals are,

1848
01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:14,279
the ones that you've been hearing the door open and closed,

1849
01:39:14,279 --> 01:39:16,520
that's me like my old dogs in an out full time.

1850
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,600
I I don't know what they're here to bring us,

1851
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,760
except my mom said I needed this many for me

1852
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:28,079
to understand unconditional love. That's maybe so and uh in

1853
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:31,760
your and your thing is that as an EMS worker,

1854
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,279
I think it was uh, you know DANGI and Brinkley.

1855
01:39:35,359 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 5: You know who that is absolutely listened to. We've never

1856
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,600
interviewed him where I haven't, but I know who he is.

1857
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,560
Speaker 1: I've read his book. I've read his book. And they

1858
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,239
made a movie about.

1859
01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 3: Somebody going from zero to sixty. I mean some of

1860
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,720
these people like had had such lives of this George

1861
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,439
Road and I as one of them. George Ritchie who

1862
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,840
later became a psychiatrist, and he had pneumonia in the army.

1863
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,680
The more you know, you guys, that are out there

1864
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:04,439
and had these experiences, particular, particularly war veterans. Part of

1865
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:10,319
PTSD in a lot of cases is not processing those amazing,

1866
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:15,319
not only agonizing, but also spiritually beautiful things that they've seen,

1867
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:18,560
they've been they're afraid of being mocked or afraid of

1868
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,279
somebody wants to give you medication to make them go away.

1869
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 5: Yep, oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I think you're

1870
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:26,680
absolutely right.

1871
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 3: There has to be a way to kindly approach the

1872
01:40:30,119 --> 01:40:34,760
significant uh. And they're called aberrant spiritual what ifs that

1873
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:39,119
people have had, and it is hard to accommodate those

1874
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:42,560
in everyday life. That's why again babies stop jabbering to

1875
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,760
angels when they learn to talk.

1876
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,159
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we're conditioned to set that aside. That capable.

1877
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,359
I think that maybe all of us or some of us,

1878
01:40:52,399 --> 01:40:56,520
But I also think that there's a there is a

1879
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:01,319
very tough task in my experience, of having to turn

1880
01:41:01,399 --> 01:41:03,119
that on and off like a light switch. And I

1881
01:41:03,159 --> 01:41:06,239
don't think we can do that very easily. You know,

1882
01:41:06,359 --> 01:41:09,359
when you used to when somebody you're cutting somebody out

1883
01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:12,000
of a car out here on the interstate, when I

1884
01:41:12,039 --> 01:41:14,319
was you know, on the rescue squad and then having

1885
01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:16,600
to come back in at five o'clock in the morning.

1886
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,560
You've been out in the rain cutting bodies out of

1887
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,600
a car, or somebody who was alive that died in

1888
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,279
your arms, and then oh, I got to go take

1889
01:41:24,279 --> 01:41:26,199
a shower and go to work and be mister nice

1890
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:30,520
guy like nothing ever happened. Wow. You know that's not

1891
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,760
an easy thing to do week after week, month after month.

1892
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:38,760
And it's strange how we are we Let's go back

1893
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,199
to television. I mean, I've studied this all my life.

1894
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,159
The first time you see a shooting on television, whether

1895
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:48,319
it's in a dramatic series or on the news, it's

1896
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:50,520
got to be pretty startling. I don't remember the first

1897
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,159
time I did. But after you've seen fifty thousand of them,

1898
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,800
you don't relate to the fact that that's, you know,

1899
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,399
that's depicting something that's horrible. Sorry, it doesn't go down easy.

1900
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:01,560
If you're the guy over there bleed to death or

1901
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:04,479
had your arm blown off, it's not funny. And yet

1902
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:08,000
we desensitize ourselves to it, and all of a sudden,

1903
01:42:08,359 --> 01:42:14,000
these type of realities are impossible for many people to

1904
01:42:14,079 --> 01:42:17,600
look at as realities. I don't know what that means.

1905
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:21,880
But I think that we when people realize in their

1906
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:25,319
heart of hearts that what you are experiencing and helping

1907
01:42:25,359 --> 01:42:30,880
people with is true. Man, it's a mind blower. You'll

1908
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:32,680
never tell them that it wasn't real.

1909
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,039
Speaker 3: And I was watching the first forty eight because I

1910
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,760
love you knowing which of those cops are really psychic? Now,

1911
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:43,399
I probably these are talk about boots on the ground soldiers.

1912
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:46,920
These people are working under you know, low budgets type

1913
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,119
scheduled hot cars. It's nothing, and I kind of want

1914
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:53,239
to tap them on the shoulders, saying, my god, your

1915
01:42:53,359 --> 01:42:58,039
instinct is just because I'm calling it instant, I'm not

1916
01:42:58,079 --> 01:43:01,479
implying they're not skilled, but they're instincts for figuring into

1917
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,439
how these things are salt. And I love watching them.

1918
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,680
I love watching people like you say no, we can't

1919
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,119
turn it on and off, but we can. When I

1920
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:11,800
was ten, we were sitting behind the car and the

1921
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,039
bumper's secret said God is my co pilot, and my

1922
01:43:14,039 --> 01:43:19,319
mother said, her soft voice, that man needs to change seats.

1923
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,279
And that's kind of where I try to go. In

1924
01:43:22,359 --> 01:43:24,960
points during the day, I go, Okay, who's driving here?

1925
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,560
Do I think I'm driving? Or who am I letting drive?

1926
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,560
And also when I see a person who is just

1927
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:34,199
bad energy, just and I spot him even before I

1928
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:37,760
meet him, I don't know what has been in that

1929
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,319
person's life to create that kind of gnarled energy or

1930
01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:46,840
resentment or difficulty. And as naive as it sounds, I

1931
01:43:47,159 --> 01:43:51,119
just imagine a rays of absolute light coming to them.

1932
01:43:51,399 --> 01:43:55,199
Speaker 5: You know, I think you could argue, with very few

1933
01:43:55,239 --> 01:43:58,279
exceptions that when a child is born, that's a pretty

1934
01:43:58,279 --> 01:44:01,199
clean slate. I don't think he like you said, that's uh,

1935
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,479
you know, I don't think Charlie Manson was born as

1936
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:07,199
an evil person. I think something happened and twisted the

1937
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:09,720
uh you know, the circuits got tangled up there a

1938
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:10,199
little bit.

1939
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:14,319
Speaker 3: And I Heer's dad apparently his dad, Hitler's dad first

1940
01:44:14,319 --> 01:44:16,920
words were kill it now. That excuse me? That Alf Hitler.

1941
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,800
I don't know. But uh, And when we all get

1942
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,840
these choices too, well, you think there are things that

1943
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,880
can tear our our And I know when I took

1944
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,239
drugs and I had some, you'll get you get hitchhikers,

1945
01:44:29,319 --> 01:44:32,079
you get you get bad hit shikers, you get things

1946
01:44:32,079 --> 01:44:36,000
that are uninvolved in you know, discarnate things that is

1947
01:44:36,359 --> 01:44:40,000
that's that's the downside of this. And I would exhort

1948
01:44:40,079 --> 01:44:43,560
people to really, when they're starting to come into your

1949
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,079
own with your abilities, don't negate the to me the

1950
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:50,479
necessity of protection. I'm not trying to I'm not someone

1951
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:53,359
telling you to go buy a bunch of guns. Psychically speaking,

1952
01:44:54,079 --> 01:44:57,840
just call in, call in your angels, because that old thing,

1953
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,720
unto whom much is given, much is expected. That's why

1954
01:45:02,119 --> 01:45:03,920
when I was a kid who played with Luigi board,

1955
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,000
nothing happened to me because I was a kid and

1956
01:45:06,039 --> 01:45:09,079
we were playing. Right, do you grow up that do

1957
01:45:09,239 --> 01:45:11,439
that stuff? Just you shouldn't be doing it?

1958
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 6: Do you use what a lot of mediums use, which

1959
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,880
is like surrounding yourself with the white lad of protection.

1960
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 3: It's it's really pretty simple. And when we give words

1961
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,560
to it, like Monroe did again out of you know,

1962
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,359
but he did it so technically, I love it. They

1963
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,239
hear us and respond to it. I'm a friend of

1964
01:45:29,239 --> 01:45:32,279
mine who's been a psychic for a lot longer than

1965
01:45:32,319 --> 01:45:35,079
I have said. Say, there's a guy in Missouri. He's

1966
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,159
fine with his dog and his boat and his leg

1967
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:41,000
He's got his guardian angel. The moment that guy needs more,

1968
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:45,520
they descend upon him to give him. But unlike and

1969
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,880
we've been pushed out of the way of disaster. You

1970
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:52,279
know how those guardians help us, but for living decisions

1971
01:45:52,279 --> 01:45:54,720
and stuff. The more we ask their good to help,

1972
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,279
the more it's present, the more we get it.

1973
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 5: So you've got to affirmatively ask for it and don't

1974
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:01,119
sit there.

1975
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,119
Speaker 3: Like you know, I think so, I think it helps.

1976
01:46:03,239 --> 01:46:07,199
I think it helps. I really do you along away

1977
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:11,079
from walking on water, Guys, That's not what I'm saying

1978
01:46:11,159 --> 01:46:13,000
at all. It's that's not gonna happen.

1979
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 6: My business partner, Irene Allen Block, who you know, she's

1980
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,399
She's shy about it, but she is. She is a

1981
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,920
psychic medium as well, and we get into a lot

1982
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,920
of deep conversations. We were actually having one this morning

1983
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:28,560
about the fact, you know, you're mentioning Hitler and uh,

1984
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,520
you know people who do who Charlie Manson, These people

1985
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:34,720
come into the world and they perpetrate evil. And yet

1986
01:46:35,239 --> 01:46:38,039
let me guess your thought then in terms of if

1987
01:46:38,039 --> 01:46:42,760
you mentioned past lives and reincarnation, because a person like

1988
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,039
that comes into the world and does evil, does that

1989
01:46:46,119 --> 01:46:50,479
doesn't make their soul evil. It doesn't make it's it's

1990
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:54,359
if you buy into the concept of karma and balancing

1991
01:46:54,399 --> 01:46:55,640
out the good.

1992
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 1: The bad, the light the dark.

1993
01:46:57,399 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 6: You know, people who come into this world and they

1994
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:03,920
they perpetrate evil and they do horrible things, but yet

1995
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:05,760
they could come back in the next life and for

1996
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,880
all you know, they could be a priest or or

1997
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,000
or somebody who does who does good and it's or

1998
01:47:12,039 --> 01:47:12,399
finds a.

1999
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:17,399
Speaker 3: Way to be somebody with incredible physical difficulty or handicaps.

2000
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:17,720
You know.

2001
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes back.

2002
01:47:20,359 --> 01:47:23,079
Speaker 3: Crazy sounding, but whenever you say Irene's name, I see

2003
01:47:23,079 --> 01:47:26,720
the most beautiful cobalt in purple lights around her. Wow,

2004
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:29,439
it's it's now the third time it's happened since and

2005
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:32,199
since I heard her voice. And I'm not being a peaker,

2006
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,359
I'm not a keeping calm. It's just I don't see

2007
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:38,359
lights that much, and they're the prettiest colors that are

2008
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:42,439
profoundly deep. And I'm not saying I'm not attaching significance

2009
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:44,720
to it other than I think that's an awesome sign.

2010
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 5: She that's really cool.

2011
01:47:47,039 --> 01:47:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's special.

2012
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 6: She's had her own group, Spirit Rescue International for many

2013
01:47:52,039 --> 01:47:55,640
years and she's been working with me. She produces our

2014
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,359
radio show too. And she usually likes to keep to

2015
01:47:58,399 --> 01:48:01,800
the background, but she she definitely has and one of

2016
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,000
the things she's talked about, and I'd like to get

2017
01:48:04,039 --> 01:48:08,319
your thought on this. Have you had experiences where you

2018
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:12,119
have trouble putting him into the words into the English language?

2019
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:15,560
Speaker 3: Where Wenny you should ask, because when this first story,

2020
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:20,880
I'd say about six years ago, I was minutely resentful

2021
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:24,359
because I thought, well, why just get a ray? I thought,

2022
01:48:24,399 --> 01:48:26,920
I make my living with words, so if I give

2023
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,399
the messages just as they're gotten, it took some of

2024
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,359
the oomph out of it for me. I thought, well,

2025
01:48:31,359 --> 01:48:34,359
I'm I mean the way I explained things, that's what

2026
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:37,439
makes me a comedian, a storyteller, a writer. And then

2027
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:42,239
I had one particular client and what had to transfer.

2028
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,159
There's no sign that comes on in our head that

2029
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:47,840
such attention, Brett, your next thought will be spirit given

2030
01:48:48,279 --> 01:48:52,159
it's nonverbal communication. They explain and like a like a thought.

2031
01:48:52,199 --> 01:48:54,840
But what it was was such a tender topic that

2032
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:59,920
involved a grandfather who had abused and neglected his grandson

2033
01:49:00,079 --> 01:49:02,600
had gone on to be quite successful in his field.

2034
01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:07,079
And if the grandfather were tuck were in flesh, his

2035
01:49:07,319 --> 01:49:09,720
chest would have been pressing up against the bicep. He

2036
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:14,840
was facing this young man and spirit was exhorting him

2037
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,880
to forgive him, not for the grandfather's sake. The grandfather

2038
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:22,199
owned up to the mistakes and said, what's worse than

2039
01:49:22,279 --> 01:49:24,880
hell is that I had to feel exactly what I

2040
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:29,520
made you feel. And I'm asking for your forgiveness, because

2041
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,359
if you can cross this grandson, if you can cross

2042
01:49:32,399 --> 01:49:35,640
this bridge to forgive me, how much better your life

2043
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:38,079
would be. And in that moment, I saw that young

2044
01:49:38,119 --> 01:49:41,319
man struggles with alcohol and he'd also hurt his young

2045
01:49:41,399 --> 01:49:45,000
bride that he loved very much because the demons of

2046
01:49:45,079 --> 01:49:48,760
the grandfather that were visited upon him. And after that,

2047
01:49:49,279 --> 01:49:52,760
I realized that it was worth whatever energy I had

2048
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:57,720
to expand to exactly transfer these feelings. It was emotional

2049
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,319
for me. And when I finished the this is the

2050
01:50:00,319 --> 01:50:03,319
first time that's happened, the grandfather looked at me and

2051
01:50:03,359 --> 01:50:06,399
put his finger on his nose, like we've been playing charade,

2052
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:10,039
And I got it right. That's not bragging. That doesn't

2053
01:50:10,119 --> 01:50:14,600
happen that often, that specifically. So when i'm if I

2054
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:17,199
just give the people the images I'm getting, I love

2055
01:50:17,279 --> 01:50:20,800
when the messages are what I cannot understand, but that

2056
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:24,800
the client does. That's that's a perfect that's a perfect

2057
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:25,439
reading to me.

2058
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:29,199
Speaker 6: We've got about seven minutes left in the show. I

2059
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,920
just want to bring up one more topic, but I

2060
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:33,920
don't want to get too deep into it at this point.

2061
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,039
But in your travels and experiences, you said that you

2062
01:50:37,279 --> 01:50:41,159
have felt and deal with like lower level energies or

2063
01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:44,199
have you ever come across something that you would consider

2064
01:50:44,319 --> 01:50:47,680
to be you know what other people referred to as demonic?

2065
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:52,560
Speaker 3: Uh no, and but I'm aware that they're there. I

2066
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,000
have felt, I have felt in seeing it, but there

2067
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:59,119
are so many and I don't have protection because I

2068
01:50:59,159 --> 01:51:02,600
am singled out for specialists. I simply have it because

2069
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:06,439
I'm I'm in a way, I'm a baby. I know

2070
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:11,279
whom my mama is. I stay in the light as

2071
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,239
much as I can and and urge people to You're

2072
01:51:16,319 --> 01:51:19,680
never being demanding to call the light. You're never demanding

2073
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:25,920
when you know, you're never selfish. Angels can appear simultaneously everywhere,

2074
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:30,000
and uh, it's that simple. There's there are people, for example,

2075
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:34,199
who put the topics of the cord cutting or chakra balancing,

2076
01:51:34,279 --> 01:51:36,279
and believe me, I wish there were other ways to

2077
01:51:36,319 --> 01:51:38,920
put it. I feel so new agey saying it. Those

2078
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:42,000
things there are people who make them expensive and complicated.

2079
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:46,680
The requirements for protection are as simple as a child

2080
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,079
crying out. That's no matter how smart you are, how

2081
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:54,640
academically accomplished you are. It works on very fundamental levels.

2082
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,199
And you'll hear this the other side, no matter what

2083
01:51:57,319 --> 01:52:00,119
they've done in life, to communicate with the simplicity of

2084
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:05,680
a child. And I've seen things and i'm and also

2085
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:10,079
it's why I recoil when I go by certain places

2086
01:52:10,279 --> 01:52:13,199
that like, if I go into a haunted house with you,

2087
01:52:13,279 --> 01:52:16,239
I probably won't see the ghost, but I'll see what

2088
01:52:16,279 --> 01:52:17,840
you're seeing. Does that make sense?

2089
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:22,399
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I think so, because.

2090
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:25,359
Speaker 3: I was okay. One of my earliest clients was a

2091
01:52:25,399 --> 01:52:28,319
couple and they didn't believe what I could do. They

2092
01:52:28,359 --> 01:52:31,199
had twins that were three, and before I went over there,

2093
01:52:31,239 --> 01:52:34,199
I said, the little girl here spirits and the boys

2094
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:36,880
sees them. That was enough for them to hire me.

2095
01:52:37,399 --> 01:52:38,960
And when I got to their house, they lived in

2096
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,239
one hundred and thirty year old house, and they saw

2097
01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:45,119
a crying old black man. The children did and I

2098
01:52:45,159 --> 01:52:47,880
said what he before they told me he was crying.

2099
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,039
I said, what song do you sing that makes him

2100
01:52:50,079 --> 01:52:53,760
stop crying? And they started to sing Jesus was the

2101
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,399
little children. These kids have been singing that in daycare.

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So I said, well, tell him. I couldn't see him,

2103
01:53:00,199 --> 01:53:02,000
saw what they were seeing. I said, tell him his

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01:53:02,119 --> 01:53:05,439
mama and daddy want to see him. So I'm talking

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01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,760
to these kids and the parents and their grandparents. And

2106
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:09,560
by the way, they were treating me like hired help.

2107
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,239
They were like, who's this girl that thinks she can

2108
01:53:11,279 --> 01:53:13,880
do this? So all of a sudden, the little boy

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01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,159
goes he's going to go now, and he says thank you,

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01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:19,000
And then the kids looked at each other, and the

2111
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,239
little girl gave her brother a bear and he ran

2112
01:53:21,279 --> 01:53:22,960
all the way down the hall and lifted this bear

2113
01:53:23,039 --> 01:53:24,680
up in the air and said, you forgot to kiss

2114
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:28,520
mister Buttons Goobye or whatever his name was. That clenched

2115
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:31,119
it for the parents. And they looked at me and said,

2116
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:32,640
did he leave? And I said, I don't know, I

2117
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:36,039
asked the kids. So see, I don't know how that worked.

2118
01:53:36,119 --> 01:53:38,279
I just saw what the children were seeing, and I

2119
01:53:38,319 --> 01:53:39,279
never did see the man.

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Speaker 5: That is there any precognitive nature of the work you do.

2121
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,720
I mean you, are you ever showing things that could

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01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:53,119
help people avoid something tragic in their lives?

2123
01:53:53,239 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try and be very very careful about that,

2124
01:53:56,800 --> 01:54:01,359
because anything that we get stone precognitively it's terrible, it

2125
01:54:01,359 --> 01:54:03,880
can be averted, and if it's wonderful, we can screw

2126
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:10,000
it up. And regarding things of a physical or mental

2127
01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:13,960
or medical way, again, I'm just assuming that people would know.

2128
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:16,960
Someone who was on a sitcom in another century who's

2129
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:20,760
doing phone psychic work probably doesn't have MD after her name.

2130
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:25,159
Being that as it may, I can tell when people

2131
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:29,079
are on the other side of something. And recently, somebody

2132
01:54:29,159 --> 01:54:32,960
I'm dealing with in business said, I ask her how

2133
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,840
she was. We don't discuss this, we're in business about

2134
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:39,000
something else, and she said she was scared something was wrong.

2135
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:41,560
And my hand went to the top of my head

2136
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,439
and I said, is this in your head? And I

2137
01:54:44,439 --> 01:54:47,800
didn't mean psychosomatic and she said yes, they thought it

2138
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,560
was a pituitary tumor. And then I blurted out, the

2139
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,359
guy that's going to fix it is at UCLA. And

2140
01:54:53,399 --> 01:54:56,600
two days later she called and apparently that's your granddaddy

2141
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:59,560
if this thing is And she asked what else I

2142
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:01,760
saw and I want I don't know. I can't believe

2143
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,920
I blurted that out. I think I'm on someone's turf

2144
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:09,600
when that happens. I just what's important is that people

2145
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:13,119
know just because someone's psychic, they don't have access to

2146
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:16,640
things that you don't have access to. Okay that no,

2147
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,199
I don't have to tell your mom that you love her.

2148
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:21,880
She knows it. And you have more knowledge of your

2149
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,880
own life. But if I do see somebody riding the

2150
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:27,039
bike without a helmet on, I tell them are you

2151
01:55:27,079 --> 01:55:30,960
wearing your helmet? They just show me what might happen.

2152
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:36,439
And people who drink or take drugs they know. I mean,

2153
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:40,039
chances are if they called me, there's already something ramping

2154
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:43,880
up in their lives about it. Most people know they're

2155
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,319
getting tapped on the shoulder, and hopefully all I do

2156
01:55:46,439 --> 01:55:47,199
is confirm that.

2157
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:52,439
Speaker 5: Wow. All I can say is at this point, because

2158
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:54,399
the clock's running down, and we want to let you

2159
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:58,039
tell everybody how they you know, can get in touch

2160
01:55:58,039 --> 01:56:00,920
with you and so on. But I could go on

2161
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,520
for hours listening. Are you keeping a diary of the

2162
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:05,479
work you do? Is that?

2163
01:56:06,359 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't like take notes on specific clients. But

2164
01:56:10,079 --> 01:56:12,720
I always I get so excited when things happen. I'm

2165
01:56:13,319 --> 01:56:16,359
like different, Like, for example, just real quickly, in the

2166
01:56:16,399 --> 01:56:19,520
last couple of weeks, I've been visited by spirits who

2167
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,680
were giving actually in one case, first and last name

2168
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:27,359
of someone's dead godfather twenty years later. Geez, that's ramping

2169
01:56:27,479 --> 01:56:30,039
up for me. So I'm seeing how this has all

2170
01:56:30,079 --> 01:56:33,359
happened over the last six months. So yeah, thank you,

2171
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,680
and thank you by the way. I so enjoyed talking

2172
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:37,319
to you both and wish you the best. I'm so

2173
01:56:37,359 --> 01:56:40,479
excited about Art coming back and may for this radio

2174
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:41,079
thank you.

2175
01:56:41,159 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 5: Oh well, if they want you to be a part

2176
01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:45,199
of what we're doing, and we'll talk to you about

2177
01:56:45,239 --> 01:56:48,720
that off the air. But you know, you've been so

2178
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:53,000
forthcoming and this has really been an amazing experience for me.

2179
01:56:53,079 --> 01:56:56,039
I hope that the audience has had as much got

2180
01:56:56,119 --> 01:56:57,960
as much out of it as I have. I mean,

2181
01:56:58,039 --> 01:57:00,000
thank you so much. I mean you've been very open

2182
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,560
and kind to us, and we appreciate it.

2183
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 1: Brett, can you tell people where they can find your website.

2184
01:57:05,279 --> 01:57:09,079
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's a real Brett Butler altogether, Realbrett Butler

2185
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:12,680
dot com, and they can find out. I think the

2186
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:16,119
words spiritual consultant are on there. I'm so sorry. I'm

2187
01:57:16,119 --> 01:57:20,319
a psychic medium and perhaps I do consult spiritually, but

2188
01:57:20,359 --> 01:57:23,000
for some reason, seeing it together just makes you feel embarrassed.

2189
01:57:23,079 --> 01:57:27,920
So anyway, that's what I do. I we'll see what happens.

2190
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,560
N if I'm believing you guys will be the first

2191
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:32,239
to know when the show starts rolling. And wow, I

2192
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:36,000
didn't say if I said when I'm about it.

2193
01:57:36,039 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 5: What about the comedy side of things?

2194
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:42,119
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, that's going to be I'm dying to get

2195
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:46,640
back there. I'm not only homesick, I'm I'm really really

2196
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:49,960
ready to have this kind of convert with stand up comedy.

2197
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:52,359
Speaker 5: Well, we'd love to have you back here. If you

2198
01:57:52,359 --> 01:57:55,800
get anywhere in the New York Philadelphia area, you've got

2199
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,359
to place the crash and hang out a little and

2200
01:57:58,399 --> 01:57:59,319
have some good Thank.

2201
01:57:59,159 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 3: You so much. I had a blast here. And thanks

2202
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:04,560
to Irene too. I hope I get to meet her

2203
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:04,960
one day.

2204
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, we can make that happen.

2205
01:58:07,239 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 6: Well, Brett, thank you very much for coming on the

2206
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:12,760
show tonight, and we'll definitely have to have you back again.

2207
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:14,279
Speaker 3: I had a ball.

2208
01:58:14,399 --> 01:58:17,159
Speaker 5: Good night, guys, Good Thank you, and.

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01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 6: Thank you everybody for listening to another edition of Unknown

2210
01:58:20,039 --> 01:58:23,359
Origins Radio. Tune in every Thursday night here at eight

2211
01:58:23,399 --> 01:58:27,079
pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark Matter Radio Network.

2212
01:58:27,399 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for spending some time with us. Have a safe,

2213
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:32,199
good weekend. We'll see you next week. We really appreciate

2214
01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:33,079
you being here, folks.

2215
01:58:33,079 --> 01:58:35,279
Speaker 6: Thanks, and you know what, I am going to bring

2216
01:58:35,359 --> 01:58:37,680
something back here. We are going to sign off with

2217
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:41,159
our weekly wisdom from yours truly.

2218
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:44,439
Speaker 1: You know they say that you can never go home again.

2219
01:58:45,159 --> 01:58:47,439
Speaker 6: Uh, and you know I found out that's true because

2220
01:58:47,479 --> 01:58:50,520
I recently tried going home and the people who are

2221
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,319
currently living there called the cops on me.

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01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:54,079
Speaker 1: Have a great night, everybody.

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01:58:54,279 --> 01:58:58,239
Speaker 5: Thanks Mark, be good, Bud, Irene Keith. Thanks a Bellion

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buddy a