1
00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,640
Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome. I am Kerry Anne and this is seventh

2
00:00:19,679 --> 00:00:23,640
Sanctum and this evening. As always, I'm being joined with

3
00:00:23,679 --> 00:00:26,039
my co host Natalie. Have I heard Natalie? How are

4
00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,600
you all right?

5
00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:29,399
Speaker 2: Thank you? Everybody else is okay?

6
00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely? For me, today has been the most Monday's Mondays

7
00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,640
for many days that could ever happen. I don't know

8
00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,159
whether this is universe or of course everyone else as well,

9
00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,039
but what day. It's been an interesting one. I don't

10
00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:46,679
know what's what the planets are doing, or whether it's

11
00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:49,520
what's happening, but it's been a weird one today.

12
00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,520
Speaker 2: What about you? Me in particular, I've been trying to

13
00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:00,520
stay out of trouble. It's nice hiding it home home today,

14
00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:01,719
trying to stay out trouble.

15
00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:10,040
Speaker 1: It's far less peoplely in here. Absolutely, this evening, we've

16
00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,560
been joined with Lou and Ben. Welcome. Thank you so

17
00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,560
much for joining us. How are you you're right?

18
00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,959
Speaker 3: Guys? Hi?

19
00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for having us.

20
00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:33,040
Speaker 5: Braine, like you said, absolutely, I personally, I think maybe

21
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,680
we should give this a little bit of space.

22
00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:37,519
Speaker 1: It's honorous and name it a little bit. I don't

23
00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,280
know what's been going on today, it seems got so

24
00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,879
many different people. We've had lots of things happen, so

25
00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,760
I don't know whether it's numerology or whether it's the

26
00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:49,640
way the planets are sitting. I have no idea. Are

27
00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,680
you guys aware of anything that could be happening today

28
00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:56,799
that can impact everything everything in the world?

29
00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,120
Speaker 3: Rough well, there is.

30
00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:05,120
Speaker 2: There were three planets in retro grade, but they're in

31
00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,400
retrograde for quite a long period of time, so I

32
00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:12,280
don't know today in particular. Although eleven eleven supposedly angelic

33
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,719
new morology isn't it, but it's supposed to be good

34
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:20,639
for manifesting stuff. So unless people are manifesting stuff they

35
00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,360
don't want, maybe it's focusing slightly off. I don't know.

36
00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:28,080
I don't know anything else that's going on today, to

37
00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:28,599
be honest.

38
00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's been a bit of a strange one.

39
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,400
But thank you guys so much for joining us. I

40
00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:37,560
think when we have guests on, it's always interesting to

41
00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:40,439
know a little bit about you guys, and how you've

42
00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:42,879
got to where you are and what you do now.

43
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,719
I know, briefly before we went live, when we were

44
00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:49,599
talking a little bit about how we'd spoke many years ago,

45
00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,319
when you first kind of emerged with I think at

46
00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:57,280
the time, we've done a talk about demonology and a

47
00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:03,319
lot around Egyptian kind of narratives and kind of hypothesis

48
00:03:03,319 --> 00:03:06,000
and stuff. So where are you now? What's what's been

49
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:06,879
going on since then?

50
00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 6: Uh?

51
00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,400
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start, because when we

52
00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,560
first spoke, I've just been dragged out of retirement because

53
00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,280
I disappeared out of the paranormal world quite at an

54
00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:21,400
early age, intended to stay out of it, and then

55
00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,759
I got dragged into it. And now I've been on Bloody,

56
00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:27,199
been dragged onto TV, YouTube and everything.

57
00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:33,280
Speaker 1: It sounds like it sounds like a reluctance. I did

58
00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:34,159
not consent to this.

59
00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:40,039
Speaker 3: Oh, it's I upset a lot of people in the

60
00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:47,840
paranormal world. Okay, I've become more. People have noticed me more,

61
00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:52,360
and a lot of the I'm going to say this now,

62
00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:54,879
these are my own beliefs. So anyone else has a

63
00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:57,000
problem with this, it's just me that you have a

64
00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,120
problem with. No one else. But I upset probably nine

65
00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,879
and half percent of the demonologists that are out there

66
00:04:07,879 --> 00:04:11,560
because I'm the only one that doesn't believe in demons.

67
00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:16,079
Speaker 1: I was just about to say yes, yeah, I was

68
00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,040
going to say, that's a really good place to start.

69
00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:21,800
So I suppose when it comes to demonology, having a

70
00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,279
belief or not a belief, it's probably unusual. So what

71
00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:28,800
does that look like when you do have conversations with

72
00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:33,560
other people with the same kind of you know, similar ideologies,

73
00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:34,879
what does that look like?

74
00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,600
Speaker 3: The last one retired after twenty five years of doing

75
00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:47,519
being a demonologist, spent part with me. It's it's I

76
00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,600
really sound like I'm being I'm trying not to swear,

77
00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,480
you know. It's it's not that. The problem is with

78
00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,920
demonologists is all the demonologies you get either dawn a

79
00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,480
twenty quid course on the internet or they hail from

80
00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,920
like one of the single churches that do deemonology basically

81
00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,079
all the spiritual church and stuff, so they don't really

82
00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,680
look into the history that you get taught when you're

83
00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:23,879
doing it. For the esoteric studies of demons are only used.

84
00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,240
It's only a word used by Christianity everything else. They

85
00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:32,519
have other descriptions of what it will be and it

86
00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:34,360
not being a demon, if that makes sense.

87
00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,800
Speaker 2: So I'm just sorry, I'm just trying to think how

88
00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,360
to weird it without.

89
00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:43,519
Speaker 3: So what.

90
00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,319
Speaker 2: More like energy forces? So that rather than being demons

91
00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:54,480
and entities like you know, with the specific evil agenda,

92
00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,600
they were more like forces of nature.

93
00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:05,480
Speaker 3: Is that what you and the ancient gods ancient gods? Yeah,

94
00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,079
Temple not mentioning a certain name because I'm still waiting

95
00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,959
for a reply of him. On one day, I'm just

96
00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,160
just embarrassing with it. And a certain gentleman on it

97
00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,240
was on Prime TV. I didn't want to I can't

98
00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:27,040
remember that it was either on Prime or it was

99
00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:30,120
it was on a said TV show apparently spoke to

100
00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:36,319
a demon called Ball. Just gequick history on Ball is

101
00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:40,879
one of the ancient Samarian gods in the Middle East.

102
00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,199
Apparently this gentleman was talking to him in an abandoned

103
00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:45,360
hotel in Wales.

104
00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:52,839
Speaker 1: I think that's a really I find that actually that's

105
00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,519
that kind of I'm trying to formulate. I'm allowing it

106
00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,800
to marinate and formulate. So I I think that's quite

107
00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,759
interesting because actually when I think some of the places

108
00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,759
that I've investigated, for example, we went to a derelict

109
00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:15,160
kind of train station and then this energy. Again I'm

110
00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:17,560
being quite vague because I'm a little bit skeptical about

111
00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,360
what actually played out, but there was an energy that

112
00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:26,519
proclaimed to be a demon, and it just didn't correlate

113
00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,360
with me. It didn't quite make sense. It's the same

114
00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:33,519
when you know, the woman in the Spirituist church says

115
00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,800
that she all of a sudden channels Jesus through trance mediumship.

116
00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:41,399
I believe in trance mediumship. I participate in trance mediumship. However,

117
00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:45,160
there's sometimes these things just don't quite match for me.

118
00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:53,800
Speaker 7: Sorry, that's the first time that anyone say that that's

119
00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:57,319
that kind of was against the whole doctrine of the

120
00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:59,920
church being able to channel Jesus through.

121
00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:03,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

122
00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. We were in Biller Ricky, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

123
00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,800
So I kind of understand the sentiment about the you know,

124
00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,800
it just doesn't correlate, and why then, and why why

125
00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:28,240
they're so Yeah, I kind of it will be like

126
00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:28,800
when you.

127
00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,320
Speaker 4: Said that the demon said that it was a demon

128
00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:32,679
to you.

129
00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:33,519
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

130
00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,279
Speaker 4: We've found that quite often they're not anything like that.

131
00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:39,519
The human spirits just trying to like scaree.

132
00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like the tricks, the sort of mythology and

133
00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,279
the paranormals quite ubiquitous, isn't it. And it's like that

134
00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:57,720
the few times I've I'm not massively experienced paranormal investigator,

135
00:08:57,799 --> 00:08:59,320
but at the same time, a few times that I've

136
00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,720
seen people do in wigi boards and things, it's like,

137
00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:05,039
there's one group I did two or three ghosts ons

138
00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:08,320
with them, and we had what appeared to be a

139
00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,879
different spirit every single time we did the wigi board,

140
00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:13,159
but it's way of talking was exactly the same. And

141
00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,440
I was saying there, thinking, this spirit is following you

142
00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,000
around and taking the mickey. It's totally taking the mickey.

143
00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,879
And I turned around and said, I think this is

144
00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:23,600
taking the mickey. There was one where it was masquerading

145
00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:27,240
as a German soldier called Terry, and I was like,

146
00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,720
I'm not entirely convinced that Terry is a German name,

147
00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,480
and I mean to be fair, as soon as I

148
00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:36,519
called it out, I've got a very very cold feeling

149
00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,360
around me. And I was like, oh, I'm in trouble

150
00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:42,000
now because I've called you out. And I wasn't part

151
00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:43,879
of the circle, so I don't think I was kind

152
00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:45,840
of in the protective sphere. But I was just like,

153
00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:49,000
it is taking the mickey out of you. And it's

154
00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:51,399
like and this was the same group and I'd been

155
00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,440
on two or three investigations, and I was just like,

156
00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,639
this is not what it says it is. It's taking

157
00:09:56,639 --> 00:10:00,159
the mickey, so I could well believe that there's a

158
00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:03,159
a group of spirits on the other side. They're like,

159
00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,840
we're gonna have a total laugh with this, because it's

160
00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,799
like it's so ludicrous that somebody's believing me. I'm just

161
00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,879
going to pretend because you would, wouldn't you if you

162
00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,600
still got a sense of humor. On the other side,

163
00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,279
he would sort of like play around a bit of

164
00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:19,559
it if you could.

165
00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:27,480
Speaker 3: You yes, about and between four foot and far foot

166
00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,080
off the ground round you.

167
00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,919
Speaker 2: I was sitting down and I've got no sense of

168
00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,399
anything around us at the time, although I knew there

169
00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,279
was sort of like activity, but it was very strange.

170
00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:46,279
It was sort of I would say it was circular

171
00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:52,240
in nature and sort of like about just what yeah,

172
00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:55,360
four or five, but I don't know. I can't say

173
00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,159
if it was off the ground. So I was sitting down,

174
00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:00,919
but it sort of came over me and sort of

175
00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:04,480
around me, and I was sort of like and then afterwards,

176
00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:06,720
when I left the grew, I felt some it took

177
00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:08,399
put a hand on my back and there was no

178
00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,000
one there, so I knew knew there was something, but

179
00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:14,039
it was an odd sense. It was like it felt

180
00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,480
like a cold mist for want of a better word,

181
00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,279
but it was like circular, like it's no cylinder, if

182
00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:25,480
that makes sense. So it just sort of like, yeah, that.

183
00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,440
Speaker 3: Is the stereotypical mark of an entity called a mimic.

184
00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, I wasn't far off with the trickster

185
00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,519
analogy then, Okay.

186
00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,919
Speaker 3: In cortology and esoterics studies and stuff like that I

187
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,440
mentioned as being spirits that will mimic people and do

188
00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,360
have a terrible sense of humor. One of the most

189
00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,639
famous ones being is and you're you all heard of

190
00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:56,919
this when I say it, the most famous mimic going

191
00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,679
around is the mimic Zozo.

192
00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

193
00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,799
Speaker 3: There isn't There is an entity or there is an

194
00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:12,720
old god called that, but the names spelt differently. Okay,

195
00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:18,440
this entity been trapped the past, well since the eighteen hundreds,

196
00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:25,879
has always spelt his name the zo Zo. Bit that's

197
00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:30,840
a mimic. Not so these things have been recorded and

198
00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,559
been around for a long time.

199
00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,679
Speaker 2: That wouldn't surprise me either, because it's like, say it

200
00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:38,159
was with a wiki board, So it's sort of like

201
00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,200
you know from the eighteenth century the seance thing. That's interesting,

202
00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,480
So you think it's an entity rather than a person,

203
00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,759
or you know it's just masquerading as people, or do

204
00:12:49,799 --> 00:12:53,320
you think it's a person that's just good.

205
00:12:54,679 --> 00:13:02,480
Speaker 3: Were think so I can end up talking out Sorry. Basically,

206
00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,159
the studies that have been that have been done since

207
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,639
then with like groups like ghosts, for example, they've been

208
00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:12,279
going around since that since the eighteen hundreds have found

209
00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,759
that you do get these mimiced spirits, so they're not human.

210
00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:21,360
They classified as different entities or elementals that do play

211
00:13:21,399 --> 00:13:25,559
on people's beliefs and ideas. And what you don't realize

212
00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,840
is that you're sat on a weegeboard. You're actually fueling

213
00:13:27,879 --> 00:13:30,840
it by giving it the information. Because a lot of

214
00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,759
people don't go tell me your name. They'll go, oh,

215
00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,039
tell me name. What you tell us your name? And

216
00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,080
then they'll pronounce the first letter and we're in the

217
00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,360
first letters. Humanity has this thing where we have to guess,

218
00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,639
have to be proven right that we've guessed right. So

219
00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,519
we instantly give them the information, We instantly give them

220
00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,679
the name, and they'll just run with that and then

221
00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:54,960
run with everything else.

222
00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,000
Speaker 2: About that concurs with my experience. It's like, because the

223
00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,799
thing when it sort of like came around me, I

224
00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:06,720
like say, I got the feeling I was being sort

225
00:14:06,759 --> 00:14:08,960
of told off by it a little bit, but it

226
00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,759
didn't feel like a human thing, and it did sort

227
00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:14,840
of set Man, I'm not entirely sure I'm safe here,

228
00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,919
senses off because I'm annoying it now, But with it

229
00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,600
being an entity, that would probably explain it because I

230
00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,879
was sensing something slightly different to a normal human spirit.

231
00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:30,159
So are they dangerous or they're just pranksters?

232
00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:36,240
Speaker 3: Well, from what we've seen a study reports and stuff

233
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,840
like that, they've never been dangerous. This is the world

234
00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:42,639
and stuff. They're not mimics, are not dangerous in any way,

235
00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:46,600
shape or form. The only time they can be dangerous,

236
00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,600
and this is what's known with another entity that you

237
00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:55,519
get as well, is if kids are involved. Okay, they

238
00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:59,480
are highly protective of children. It children's spirits or actual

239
00:14:59,559 --> 00:15:04,559
children on living children. It can be very protective of

240
00:15:04,559 --> 00:15:06,679
the Okay.

241
00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,159
Speaker 1: And how would that how would that present itself? How

242
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,799
would you how would that show what kind of things

243
00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:14,000
could be experienced with that?

244
00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:18,720
Speaker 3: It would instantly start playing on your greatest fears. They'll

245
00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:21,279
pick up on your fears and they will do everything

246
00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,399
they can to make you leave the area.

247
00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,879
Speaker 1: And how would someone be able to know the difference

248
00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:34,120
between the myriat mimic and what is not a mimic?

249
00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,399
Speaker 3: Oh, the human nsity. They'll threaten you would be in

250
00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:41,159
a demon and will be coming from Hell and they'll

251
00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:43,679
bring Satan and everything else with you. A mimic will

252
00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:49,000
generally try to convince you to leave, to go somewhere else,

253
00:15:49,039 --> 00:15:52,440
to go looking somewhere else for them.

254
00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,799
Speaker 1: Okay, that's very okay, thank you for sharing that. So

255
00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:01,200
if we think a little bit about you know, the

256
00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:04,600
average show, the average person that's now currently going out

257
00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,600
investigating because we're heavily influenced by what we see, and

258
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:13,840
there's a lot in TV and through different media outlets,

259
00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000
what do you think is the most dangerous conception concept

260
00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,879
in terms of demonology and paranormal research that's emerging at

261
00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:22,600
the moment.

262
00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,320
Speaker 3: Demonology yourself, I think going into fair there is abandoned

263
00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:28,919
places here.

264
00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,159
Speaker 4: There's a lot of urban exploring happening at the moment

265
00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,360
into territories that's not saved both from like you don't

266
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,240
know what's in their sort of enterity wise, but also

267
00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:43,360
the whole structure of the building just likely. It seems

268
00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,320
to really taken off hands it just going into places.

269
00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,399
And you hear there was a lady over in America

270
00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:51,559
the other year. She walked into abandoned building. It'd been

271
00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,879
sectioned off, I believe, because it was unsafe, and she

272
00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,879
was in the dark, and she just walked out and

273
00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,559
plummeted however many feet and died.

274
00:16:59,360 --> 00:16:59,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

275
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:00,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

276
00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:04,160
Speaker 4: You know it's old well and good going off exploring

277
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,599
these places, but you know, I take a little bit

278
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,960
of precaution for your own safety.

279
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

280
00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,880
Speaker 2: Normally they do suggest you don't do it on your

281
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,319
own anyway, don't they The people that do a little

282
00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,160
bit more seriously, they always say, don't don't ever go

283
00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:20,720
anywhere like that on your own. But I would like

284
00:17:20,759 --> 00:17:22,880
to walk around an abandoned building in the dark like

285
00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,759
that anyway, you know, like you say, because you just

286
00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:29,039
don't know, you know, you don't know why it's abandoned,

287
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,599
Like you know, the floor go out from under you

288
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,519
and you could just end up somewhere you don't want to.

289
00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,119
Speaker 3: Be, especially nowadays as well with a lot of the

290
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,440
old buildings, I believe it or not, I don't do

291
00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:50,880
this is an actual job. Yeah, well, so I work

292
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,160
in the construction industry after most of my life, and

293
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,799
you'd be surprised how many of these old buildings have

294
00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:57,599
got abestos.

295
00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah that's true.

296
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah about that. That is one of the most

297
00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,720
painfulest ways to go. You don't want to breathe that

298
00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:08,440
stuff in all.

299
00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, lady, you see worries.

300
00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,119
Speaker 1: And I think as well, Sorry, Ben, oh, you're right,

301
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,480
you go first. I was just going to say, and

302
00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,920
I think there's the changing in laws depending where you are.

303
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,599
So for example, in Scotland's there's no laws or policies

304
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,240
or anything in place that stops people from going into

305
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,880
an exploring. We're over here, we've got more trespassing laws

306
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,640
and stuff that kind of protect the land and protect

307
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,200
the property. So I suppose in terms of safeguardian it

308
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,720
gets a little bit more difficult in different areas, isn't it. Really.

309
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people in this country are just

310
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,640
ignoring it. They're like, oh, yeah, there's the science as

311
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,000
trespasses were prosecuted. Oh there's a security cameras we're going

312
00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:53,920
in any way risk I'll look on it.

313
00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:01,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in terms going men, sorry.

314
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,720
Speaker 3: But there's a there's a place in Darby near us

315
00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:09,480
that a lot of people go investigating in and it's

316
00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:12,599
got a lot of signs up saying no trespassing and

317
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,920
stuff like that, and they post them all on Facebook

318
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,759
and all that. That's fine, but I always say to me,

319
00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:23,119
you need to remember, no, you need to remember who's

320
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,640
watching your pages, because obviously you know with the person

321
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,000
owner and it's watching and we've said location. I always

322
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,359
get a lot of people saying, well that they never know,

323
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,519
they never know, they know because I'm the one that

324
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,799
used to help run the security there and knows the

325
00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:44,519
bloke who owns it. So when I say on them

326
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,559
please don't go in, they suddenly realize that it's you've

327
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,799
just identified that you've gone in. You've given me the

328
00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:54,160
photographic entrance. I will pass it on to the bloke,

329
00:19:54,359 --> 00:20:02,200
will press charges. I have to be careful, wake, absolutely. Yeah.

330
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 2: People seem to think that they're anonymous when they're online,

331
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,759
even when like you say, they just you know, you've

332
00:20:08,759 --> 00:20:12,720
got your face, your name, you've got the identifying things

333
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,640
in the background and yeah, and everyone seems to think

334
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,039
that nobody watches it, and yeah, you know, like you say,

335
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,640
brief internet search would probably pull up a video if

336
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,200
you've meant you know, Yeah, it is. The Internet's very

337
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:30,799
strange thing to human perception. It's yeah, it's done weird.

338
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,319
Speaker 3: We're watched a few large where I've seen people, even

339
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,359
paranormal people go to locations and start going, oh, yeah,

340
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,880
this has happened, this has happened, And I will be

341
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,079
starting in the video, not watching, and then all of

342
00:20:43,079 --> 00:20:46,920
a sudden, I go, that's never happened there, or how

343
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,400
do you know? Because I used to work there as well.

344
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,759
Speaker 4: We went on natural when we were part of an

345
00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:58,720
investigation around that area and apparently the English version of

346
00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:01,799
the Texas Chain until massacre happened there and the bodies

347
00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:03,279
were strewn all over the ground.

348
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like I'm there going, no, it's just

349
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,480
an old building. There was never any murder here. There's

350
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,880
no bonies, No, there's no grapes here or anything like

351
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,880
that whatsoever.

352
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: Funny, isn't it. It's like you'd think there was a

353
00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:25,319
murder in every house. Sometimes it's like it's just like

354
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,279
I think I would have remember that if i'd have

355
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:27,880
been here.

356
00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of the time as well,

357
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:38,160
when when with with some paranormal locations, it's clickbait, isn't it.

358
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,559
It's that it's kind of like fit. As much as

359
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,440
we talk about how we feed into when we're working

360
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,960
with something that might be on the spirit board and

361
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,279
feeding them information to develop that power, it's the same

362
00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:51,680
when we think about content, and there's always that kind

363
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,000
of looking for that bit of adrenaline and chasing that

364
00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:59,599
a little bit and trying to get that reaction. I

365
00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,119
know that the the location that we work with, and

366
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,960
it's based in Esex and I know that other locations

367
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,319
have booked it or they do events there, and they've

368
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,839
claimed that Julius Caesar is connected to the location. There's

369
00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:17,720
no links there whatsoever in the whole entire world, just

370
00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:19,680
as much as Jesus didn't turn up in Biller Ricky.

371
00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:23,359
It's it's incredible. So I do.

372
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 3: A mimic might be there pretending, Yeah, that would probably happen.

373
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,839
Speaker 2: Okay, fairs, we have, we have some some I was

374
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,599
going to say that the entities and the mimics probably

375
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:45,160
have little clubs. They're like sort of like the Guild

376
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,920
of Jesus impersonate. I'm going to burn in hell. No,

377
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,400
the Guild of Jesus Impersonators. And it's like, oh, you know,

378
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,319
we're all pretend to be Cleopatra. You know they have

379
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,920
little conferences where.

380
00:22:55,759 --> 00:23:05,799
Speaker 8: Each of them what tonight, Yeah, I just I can't.

381
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,079
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you need to work on your cleopatrum

382
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,119
impersonation a bit more, get these facts a bit more right.

383
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,880
And it's like, oh, we found this one was a

384
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,279
good one to try. And all that person over there,

385
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,359
she's a great one to play with. When she's on

386
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,119
a weedy board. It's like keep an eye out for

387
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,920
her because she takes she falls for every single time.

388
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,480
You know. It's like I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

389
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,799
It's like share information.

390
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: I know we've spoken a little bit about Ben and

391
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,039
your journey up to this point, but Lou, I know

392
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,079
that you are also you have your own specialties, and

393
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,799
you've been doing some amazing things like Ben over the

394
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:43,799
last couple of months that I've seen. I'm sure it's

395
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:45,599
been a lot longer than a couple of months, but

396
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,440
could you share a little bit about your journey?

397
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ben dragged me along basically you drag me along.

398
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,160
I was like, here, you do this, you dragged.

399
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,279
Speaker 3: Me out of retirement. I just went, okay, I'm.

400
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 4: Going yeah, I card of do more background kind of stuff.

401
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:14,079
Really don't tie. They're like the talks we do, because

402
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,279
we do some talks at the Haunted Museum and Spirit

403
00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:23,680
Shopster Contrent shout out great, Yeah, so you do have

404
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,720
the actual talk and the presentation of it, whereas I

405
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:31,119
put together or the slide show and the battle with

406
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,400
the technology of trying to actually get it to work

407
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,079
because I'm trying to click the button and it's just

408
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,759
always as part of it where it just randomly stops

409
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:41,039
and it goes forward, and it's just.

410
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, on Black Place or there is I had

411
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,839
a lot of stuff that does happen there.

412
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,319
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that because Stake's

413
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,960
not too far from me either, So it's like I

414
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,319
was looking at the videos, some of the videos he

415
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,079
puts up on his Facebook page, and it does look

416
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,599
incredibly active. I was going to ask you if you

417
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,640
had found that for yourself, because you've You've done quite

418
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,759
a bit there now, haven't you.

419
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do a lot of talk from one of

420
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,440
our artifacts is there as well, which is from a

421
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,359
case that happened in Whales of an actual spirit attack,

422
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:24,519
full blown nasty spirit attack, and that's sat there as well.

423
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:26,640
We do the talk on stuff like that and how

424
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,359
to avoid these sorts of situations and stuff. Well, it's

425
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,319
a brilliant place to go.

426
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:35,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It really that active because like say,

427
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:39,880
he's constantly putting up photos of things leaping off shelves

428
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,920
and falling over, and you know a lot of noises

429
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,920
and everything, and it does look like it's a very

430
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,720
active place.

431
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:50,039
Speaker 4: He knows about all the artifacts he's got there. He's

432
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,759
got case file for everyone. He doesn't just take in

433
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,240
any person's random bit of like, oh this might be haunted.

434
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,519
He only takes it in if they've got quite written evidence,

435
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,720
they've got photographic evidence or some sort of evidence to

436
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,799
back up the claims to go with the artifact, and

437
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:07,559
then he'll bring it to the museum and then they'll

438
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:09,400
do their own sort of research. They do a whole

439
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,000
lot that you don't see puts up online because they

440
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,880
do their own private stuff with it as well. Yeah,

441
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,599
so everything there, like I say, it's.

442
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: All got background files on.

443
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: So when stuff does start happening you kind of like,

444
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,519
yeah's happening. That's weird.

445
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,799
Speaker 3: As well. That tracks he was telling me about it.

446
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,839
I can't remember what it is. Tracks movement and it

447
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,440
tracks like human movement.

448
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got the different scores on. It's what one

449
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,400
square for the like the human movement, which is one

450
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,440
calor and then it's got like a different sensor to

451
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,519
pick up all the movement.

452
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,839
Speaker 3: It's weird. It really is weird.

453
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, go check it out.

454
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:03,559
Speaker 1: Absolutely so do they do so from Essex? So I

455
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:05,640
do venture to Stoke con Trent quite a lot of

456
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:08,559
quite a few times a year. So is this somewhere

457
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,319
that can be books out for investigations or how how

458
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,000
does it work if anyone wait to go along, how

459
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,119
would they be able to do that?

460
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 4: Get in touch with Craig message the actual page the

461
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,119
ghosts want the museum and Spirit sharp.

462
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: Stoke on Trent booking on the day tours where you

463
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,599
will take you around and explain all the items, or

464
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,759
you can book on a night investigation with teams that

465
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,920
are there and that the dates or next year book

466
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,799
on one of our nights and come and spend them

467
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:45,319
out was.

468
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: Amazing.

469
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,279
Speaker 1: So those dates are available to book already and where

470
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,000
would they where would people be able to find that

471
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:57,200
they're not available yet?

472
00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: We're after Christmas, but once Christmas is sorted, we held them.

473
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,640
We hold them the talks once a.

474
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 4: Month eight months and.

475
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: You can find those tickets on sale on their page

476
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,240
or on the other dimension page as well.

477
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we share them absolutely, We'll share that onto our pages.

478
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:21,519
Thank you so thinking a little bit about a bit.

479
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,319
Speaker 3: So you just have to plug.

480
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely more than happy to.

481
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: So where where else? What else.

482
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:35,039
Speaker 1: With your talks? Does that take you all over? What

483
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,079
else does that look like? What else do you get

484
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,400
up to and you're not doing talks at the Haunty Museum.

485
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,839
Speaker 4: We get invited to the arts event where people do

486
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,079
Brain's gone.

487
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,519
Speaker 3: Like you know, like the you know like it like the.

488
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: Day events where people come in and they've got all

489
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,319
like the stalls around with the goods and whatnot.

490
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: Get ba to the spiritual affairs I bring you okay, Yeah,

491
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,319
we're usually around with We did the Large Exchange, were

492
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,200
around with a lot of people. Are Andy Moore and

493
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,160
Rush are too brilliant friends of ours?

494
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, did the Darkness the Evening? Didn't we when they

495
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:26,000
started up?

496
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,319
Speaker 2: So lou are you enjoying your experience with the paranormal? Then,

497
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,559
given the fact that it was Ben's fault that you

498
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,319
got into it by accident.

499
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 9: Not my fault, well, okay, you dragged me further what

500
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,720
you did because I was just like, oh, let's speak

501
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,720
of ghosts and stuff like that, and you're like, come

502
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:53,319
with me, I'll show you some dark stuff.

503
00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:03,359
Speaker 6: Was like, hy he started the end of it, then,

504
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,000
didn't you And he was like, no, come to the

505
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:05,680
dark side.

506
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,839
Speaker 2: It's like, that's the boring stuff. This is interesting stuff.

507
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: In this true beginning with one's wish that ended up

508
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,839
coming true.

509
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: That's not my fault.

510
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,359
Speaker 3: That was just the UNI sat watching Supernatural, drinking wine

511
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,599
and wishing that she had her own Winchester. Unfortunately she

512
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,839
got the wish version who turned up on the back

513
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,640
of the motorbike.

514
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,119
Speaker 2: We got that you expand that SI stuff in the

515
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,000
leather jacket.

516
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: It's apart from the looks in the car.

517
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,519
Speaker 1: I think what I'm finding the most interesting is how

518
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,240
we started this podcast. We've been saying, oh, I didn't

519
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,359
really have come out of retirement. I was forced to

520
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:00,920
do it, And how the story has.

521
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:08,799
Speaker 4: Changed interested in the past few years.

522
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: Hasn't it. Yeah?

523
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when I met you is when you had

524
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:17,200
you know, retired from the paranormal. And then you're like, oh,

525
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,720
I won't find going on a ghost one or something.

526
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,400
I was like, Okay, then we'll get booked on one,

527
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,160
and we did and it was wasn't it.

528
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's fast from there.

529
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: And I think the paranorm gets under your skin no

530
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,079
matter how far away I've taken breaks and come back,

531
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:35,920
no matter how far away you feel like you've moved

532
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,759
away from it in life, that it always pulls you

533
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:40,759
back in. And I find that with a lot of

534
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,759
people that within the paranormal, they take their breaks and

535
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,279
they come back. What do you why do you think

536
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:45,720
that is?

537
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,319
Speaker 3: I think it's the drownness of the unexplained. People want

538
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:55,880
to know answers. But it's I used to do and

539
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,079
still do a hell of a lot behind scenes, Like

540
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,319
we're not really seen active all the time because we don't.

541
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,680
Some of the cases we deal with we deal in private.

542
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,720
I will refuse to divulge details when someone comes to

543
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640
me with a case to privately come into with the

544
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,480
case or help them out privately. And I have to

545
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,519
met I've made enemies over the years for that because

546
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,680
we don't charge. We don't charge any money for anyone

547
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,480
that's got problems. And I've really really peered a lot

548
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,759
of people off in the years with that.

549
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: And why is it that.

550
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,119
Speaker 3: I will name and shame them because I don't really

551
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,759
care for mind body in soul and mind body in spirit.

552
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000
They abandon me from their events because I refuse to

553
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,039
charge to help people when they need it.

554
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: Okay, because I was going to say, in the spiritual world,

555
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,359
I mean, it's always a big debate over whether you

556
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,839
do or don't charge for certain things. But at the

557
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,359
same time, it's everybody's choice, isn't it. It's like, if

558
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,039
you don't want to charge, then then you feel like

559
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,559
you're offering a service. Then it's a service, isn't it.

560
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,480
And there's some, you know, some spiritual traditions that believe

561
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,920
you shouldn't charge at all because it is a service,

562
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,880
and you know, it's it's very individual. So to venue

563
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,039
for not charging is a bit unusual or do you

564
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,319
think it's because they don't want to upset other people

565
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:25,400
that do charge?

566
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:33,279
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not fussed in the slightest most of

567
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,359
the time, well all the time, what we do is

568
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,400
we help people. And I never asked for it, and

569
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,799
I always got wound up about it, and bless her.

570
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,400
I helped a lady out years ago, called Elaine, miss

571
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,200
her madly because she's passed away now unfortunately. But I

572
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,119
think it was two years after it helped her, I

573
00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:04,319
finally found that she'd slipped eighty quid cash into my jacket. Never, well,

574
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,920
we I've had stuff like I've had people donate books

575
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,039
to me and objects and stuff, and yeah, we don't

576
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,519
as I've never asked. It's it's what people do if

577
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:22,079
they want they feel comfortable. Well, we're always told and

578
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,760
you've always got told this by my lecturers and everyone

579
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920
else that I learned off around the world and stuff,

580
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,400
was you should never make money out of people's misery

581
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,880
because it will turn into your misery.

582
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: That's a fair, it's a fair, especially in that kind

583
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,519
of we're air. I don't know how to describe it.

584
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,519
It's not well, it's more of a calling in a way,

585
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,920
isn't it. But especially in that kind of subject matter,

586
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,519
there's the checks and balances are a little bit more extreme,

587
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,480
aren't they. If you because use your intention because there's

588
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,559
a lot of trouble, isn't it sometimes? So it's like

589
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,599
if you're going in with an intention not to gain,

590
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,639
then you're the energy pattern you're holding is different. So yeah,

591
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,199
if that makes sense, I'm being a bit addled today.

592
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,679
But it's like normally more eloquent.

593
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,199
Speaker 3: A knowledge beyond comparison of stuff that you can do too.

594
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,519
But it's weird saying like old rituals on how to

595
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,079
bend your fate and bend your fortune, bend people's minds

596
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,920
and all this sort of stuff, but you never use

597
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,239
it because it's considered break and breaking what's known as

598
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,679
breaking the balance. Having the knowledge is fine, using it

599
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,960
during an advantage is completely notly shunned on.

600
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I suppose there's always that price that needs

601
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,119
to be paid when things like that happen as well.

602
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,599
There is always a price of hoy when you work

603
00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:01,480
in that kind of in that kind of way, whether

604
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,320
it's you know, for your own personal gain or for

605
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,679
someone else's personal gain. But that price dependence is dependent

606
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,559
on what you're asking for, isn't it really, or what

607
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:11,519
your intention is.

608
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're taught that. Well. They used two examples of

609
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,440
people that have used the information and have used it

610
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,800
for their own benefit and found the consequences and all

611
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,599
of them everyone knows is Alista Crowley.

612
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh for those that don't please share.

613
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: Alistair Crowley was personal beliefs. Again, not wishing to offend anyone. Blah.

614
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,320
The guy got certain information from a religious order called

615
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,960
the Golden Dawn, used it to his own personal gain

616
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,800
and then eventually it went insane and ended up dying

617
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,239
and screaming that they were coming for him as he died.

618
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,639
Speaker 2: He did go a little bit off the rails, didn't he?

619
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,760
Throughout his life? He started off pretty good, but then

620
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,159
went really off the rails. Yeah.

621
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 3: Again. And then the other one was the gentleman I

622
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,199
can never remember his name was in charge who created

623
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,519
the Church of.

624
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: Satanism, Anton Levy.

625
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 10: That yeah, saying towards the end, because again he took

626
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,719
the idea and towards the end of it, once he

627
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,079
realized that he got quite a good following that a lot,

628
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:32,320
he started to make it personal.

629
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,639
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know so much about his history, to

630
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,159
be fair, but I have to look I'll have to

631
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:41,760
look it up. So he sort of went off the

632
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,119
rails a bit at the end as well, because.

633
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: His last words were, oh my god, what have I done?

634
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, well we go it's like, oh crap, I've just.

635
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just sitting with that oh my god sentence

636
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:07,119
in there? In what that you know? I suppose if

637
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,440
you're acceptant of the of Satan of the devil, then

638
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,440
you are acceptant of the when you think of two

639
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,480
ends of the two sides of the coin, isn't it

640
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:18,679
you're accepted with one, you're accepted the other. But yeah, okay,

641
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:25,880
it's quite interesting. So do you have a story that's

642
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,400
similar to that, not lived experience, of course, but an

643
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,039
example without giving names, where you've seen that in real time.

644
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:45,679
Speaker 3: I've done it. I'm living proof. I ended up using

645
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,679
I found a certain path to go down with my

646
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,880
study in it ended up leading me in two more

647
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,480
darker stuff, should we say, to a point where I

648
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:03,360
nearly lost absolutely everything, concluded my life life. Luckily some

649
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,599
friends at the time, I should help you back. And yeah,

650
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,079
I'm living proof of what can happen if you start

651
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,280
using it, trying to use it personal game.

652
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,079
Speaker 2: So you able to with you having studied the occult

653
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,800
mat I think I remember a few years ago you

654
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,000
talked I used to comderate, embrace the dark paranormal And

655
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:28,719
you were on one of the moderators and you mentioned

656
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,000
using schigils and things for the work that you were

657
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,800
doing to help people. Are you do you find that

658
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:40,320
using things like that in that manner is effective and

659
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,440
sort of like and like you say, the balance is

660
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,039
there if you do or do you not do anything

661
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,960
like that anymore? You just sort of altered.

662
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: You still do that now into this day. It's just

663
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,920
remembering there's an equal balance for everything. Anything that is

664
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,559
taken or given must be balanced out.

665
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,559
Speaker 2: That's a very common what's the word, the very common

666
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:10,960
understanding amongst a lot of It's like the I don't

667
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,239
like using the words charman because everybody gets really upset

668
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,599
about it. But the shamanic oriented people are very big

669
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:21,360
on the balancing and the intention and using things in

670
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,559
a certain manner and being aware that there's always the

671
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,840
weights and checks, where so the responsibility on the practitioner

672
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,119
is actually heavier than it would be for sort of

673
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,719
like Joe blogs on the street. It's like, with regards

674
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,320
to what action you take and what you choose to

675
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,760
take as an action, do you find it a little

676
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,599
bit conflicting? Sometimes where you sort of think I could

677
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:45,159
do this, but I'm not sure what the consequences will be,

678
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,719
So I don't know whether to do it or not,

679
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,639
or do you.

680
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can find yourself in a loop with a

681
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,920
lot of the paranormal esoteric stuff. When you're helping someone out,

682
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:58,880
you can find that you have got to do certain

683
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:05,280
things for certain things to happen, and it's walking a minefield.

684
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:11,400
Sometimes it really can't be. You have to every single

685
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:19,000
ancient religion going, so you're looking at like Hinduism, Egyptian, Sumerian,

686
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,760
Native American beliefs, all the old tribal beliefs all have

687
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,880
that sameurve you have to respect. You have to have

688
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,400
respect of what you're taking. Respect it because something later

689
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,480
on is going to pay, like basically like karma incense.

690
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,159
Explain it better, like what sorry? Like karma?

691
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh god?

692
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah?

693
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose. It's sort of like it's fair enough though,

694
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,039
isn't it. It's a kind of reciprocity. It's like, you know,

695
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,440
if you just go in and use things, it's sort

696
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,079
of like those things get a bit annoyed after a while,

697
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,440
I should imagine in you know, but whereas if you're

698
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,800
like I acknowledge you in your own right, and I'm

699
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,559
asking for your help and using these you know, tools

700
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,920
or whatever to channel your energy. But I do appreciate

701
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,719
it or I recognize it. It's it's a different like

702
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,320
you say, it's a different mode of being, isn't it.

703
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,679
But it is a fine line between how use and

704
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,159
what's the weird not co creation, but sort of like.

705
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: What's theme o existence?

706
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, because it's I got told off once

707
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,039
because I got told to ask angels for help. And

708
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,440
now I was a bit a bit like you with

709
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,880
the weird demon. I was never quite sure what like

710
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,679
we'd angel represented, but I said one day, oh yeah,

711
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:54,760
I'm using sort of archangel microprotection. I got told off

712
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,360
using the weird use. So I was just like I

713
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,159
am working with or he is helping, or that energy

714
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,039
is helping me, rather than using, because I got told

715
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:11,159
off for that specific word. Because it's not using if

716
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:14,440
you're if you're asking, and it's it's agreeing to work

717
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,119
with you. It's a different relationship you have with that energy,

718
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:23,119
whatever it's original form is. But it is a very

719
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,400
slippery mental slope. Like say, words are tricky, So it's

720
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,280
sort of like you always has to be so careful

721
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,960
about the words you're using so that your mind doesn't

722
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,480
accidentally switch into the opposite. It is like you say,

723
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,519
it's a minefield, it is mindfield.

724
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: It is a bit. So some people do get really

725
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,320
stupid with picking up on different words. They're a bit.

726
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 4: As long as you know within yourself what you are meaning,

727
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,360
you are wanting. Yeah, the way you express it doesn't

728
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,440
really matter. It's just other people can be said dantic

729
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,719
because they like to think that they know more, and

730
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,199
they like to show up that they know more, and

731
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,960
they like they like to think they've got more power

732
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:06,920
because they know more.

733
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,119
Speaker 3: And yeah, she put it polite way, because I was not.

734
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:19,519
I don't do the whole snow king. I'd say it

735
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:21,599
as it is, and I get told off all the time.

736
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: With that in mind, how I'm just thinking a little

737
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:34,400
bit about when you're talking about work, how how how

738
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,400
do you balance the two between then the construction worker

739
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,159
and ben who I don't want to give you a

740
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,079
title that you haven't got up obviously, my my understanding

741
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:49,639
of your understanding is within demonology. So how does that balance?

742
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,559
What does that look like? And and and as well

743
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:57,119
for Lou how's your relationship with that kind of narrative?

744
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:05,320
How how has that developed over time? Two questions? Sorry, bombardment, Well, I.

745
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 3: Can tell you what it looks like. The construction worker

746
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:16,679
Ben and the like cartologists Ben get the piss taken

747
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,679
out of him no matter what he's doing.

748
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: Okay, point Actually you get bands on both ends, don't you. Really?

749
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: You have to to maintain its still as it is.

750
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:38,519
You have to to maintain your mental stability. I work

751
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:43,599
in I work inside the warehouse with building an electrical transformers,

752
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,400
and there's some old boys there, and I mean proper

753
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,079
old boys there only believe one thing and that's it.

754
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,679
And they will give me some absolute mouthfuls of abuse

755
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,280
in one moment. Yet in the next moment they will

756
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,079
come up to me and go, seriously, though, I've got

757
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:03,639
a question I want to ask.

758
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 11: You get the balance of two words of like, this

759
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:09,519
bloke's just been ripping the hell out of you for

760
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,199
believing in this stuff, Yet twenty seconds later he's asking

761
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,119
you his own private opinion of can you help me

762
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:16,519
with this?

763
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: Okay?

764
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,599
Speaker 2: That's why they say, isn't it about the paranormal? It's

765
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,320
like everybody doesn't believe in the paranormal. But everyone's got

766
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,199
a ghost story.

767
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: There's a young lad at work lesson at the minute.

768
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,960
He's just moving into a new house and we're taking

769
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,079
the mickey out of going about today, taking the mickey

770
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:37,480
out of it and all this life. It's like, oh yeah,

771
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,400
I keep hearing noises and stuff like that and laughing.

772
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,079
I'm like, oh yeah, it's it's the ghosts of the

773
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,079
wood life running up the building and stuff like that.

774
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,960
And he was fine, laughing away. And then when he

775
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,000
walked away, he ca walked to me and he went, seriously,

776
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,320
then I need to ask you a question. I literally

777
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,320
put my beer can down on the window and he

778
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,719
blew across the window shield then got kicked off. Do

779
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,760
I need to do? I need to call a priest

780
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,400
or something? Do I needs? Like? I don't know what

781
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:08,119
started for you?

782
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 7: Because you really tell a lot of people, do you.

783
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,679
Speaker 3: I get found out one of the lads that work

784
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,320
when I first started. Just come up to when you're

785
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,159
bed Winfield. I've seen your.

786
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 4: Tvable, especially you know when you same jump, well, your

787
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,400
best disguise is your glasses. That's just funny. Yeah, because

788
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,519
someone recog I'm talking to you at comic com aren't

789
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,880
they here in Stoke.

790
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: To show you how fun it can be, because if

791
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,960
you watch most I'm not saying I was about say

792
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:56,840
Most Haunted, but if you've ever watched like Help my

793
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,719
House is Haunted, stuff like that. If you notice on

794
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,880
the seasons I was in, I wore the exact same clothes.

795
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,920
Just wind people up because it doesn't earn more. Yeah,

796
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,519
I owned more clothes. I did it to wind my mom.

797
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:13,760
So just in case anyone's watching this and you see

798
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,960
me on the yes, it's the same jumper. I do

799
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,800
it to wind my mom because she screams at me

800
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,679
every time saying, you've got more clothes, stop wearing the

801
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:28,599
same bloody jumper. Yeah. This this woman, bless her. She

802
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,119
was chatting away to me about the show and stuff

803
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:36,239
like that, and she was quoting all this demon largely

804
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,920
stuff with me that this off the Yeah, this demolarge

805
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,159
said off the show. In that line, she's quoting me.

806
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:47,840
And we didn't quite we didn't really say that. Oh no, no, no,

807
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,159
we said this. She said this, And mind you, I've

808
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,000
got my glasses on and a bit. I didn't think

809
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,440
I've not gone as a jumper. And she went on

810
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:57,800
for a while, and everyone around me is just peeing,

811
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,679
like Lou was in stitches at the side, like Craig

812
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,360
and a fewelers were just paying themself, and you could

813
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,360
see me getting wound up. And literally, I think I

814
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,039
went on for about ten minutes to dinner and I

815
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,840
just took the glasses off and went, it's me. I

816
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,880
know what, I bloody said.

817
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,599
Speaker 2: What did Clark Kent?

818
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:21,079
Speaker 3: Yeah?

819
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: Did she admit it? Then? Did she say, oh, no, no,

820
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,559
you're just joking or did she actually realize it was

821
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:27,960
you want to take your glasses off?

822
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: It's registered. It was me, didn't you? And then she

823
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:38,400
just kind of walked off. Yeah, very So.

824
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,039
Speaker 2: You haven't got Dean Winchester, like Carry says, you've got

825
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:44,960
Clark Kent instead. Then, but sort of like Clark Kent's like,

826
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:45,639
oh the brother.

827
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: I kind of wish I had the build of Clark Kent,

828
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:55,039
but I haven't.

829
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel.

830
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: Like I need to get a Superman costume, but with

831
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,480
a letter D in the middle. But people are just

832
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,800
going to register as something completely different.

833
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: It might be open to interpretation, but that's okay, Air

834
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:20,920
of mystery. Here's the man of Mystery. They'd be like

835
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,519
Oh it's you. Is that I am?

836
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 4: So you don't look like you know, people expect a demonologists,

837
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:29,559
do you know?

838
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:37,039
Speaker 3: I don't wear the the gothic stuff to let you

839
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:41,559
in on on a night. A fun thing that happened

840
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:44,639
was this gentleman that we recently spoke to his demon

841
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:49,599
just turned up to an event and he's got black boots.

842
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:54,239
Black boots on in fact, scratch that you go to.

843
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,400
People that are watching this and your ladies, yourself were

844
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:04,400
all from the same generation. Can any of you remember hello? Yeah,

845
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,960
he basically turned up looking like Hefflick.

846
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: Really with the big lung trench coat in the.

847
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: It might I'm not sure if that was fancy dress

848
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:17,079
on how he actually.

849
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: Dressed, but yeah, he turned up and started saying that

850
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,360
it's a demonarges honest lot. And then there's me there

851
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,239
in a pairy Jeens baggy shirt that says demon Hunter

852
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:35,400
on it because one of the centigraphics and our designs

853
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:38,039
like this demon Hunter one for me. Blessed that lou

854
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:42,519
brought me and it was just am there shirt, I'm

855
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:44,880
there in a audio that lot, and he just did

856
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,639
not expect me to be the professional one. And it's

857
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,920
just like I'm not professional, it's just my title.

858
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:57,559
Speaker 1: But I think that's a good example of not judging

859
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,559
a book by its cover, in the fact that sometimes

860
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,880
those that we think have the knowledge because they present

861
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,440
themselves as such, might not necessarily have. And what we

862
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:13,280
think is typical for a you know, an ideology or

863
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,320
you know, an idea. I can't think of another way

864
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:23,239
of putting it without kind of minimizing it in any way.

865
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,880
But we have this perception of what that should look like,

866
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,880
and I think there, you know, when we talk a

867
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,400
little bit, I'll say it most haunted when we think

868
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,199
about demonology and how that is presented, it very is

869
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,519
black clothes and big silver jewelry and things like that.

870
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:43,519
So I think again going back to what the media

871
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,960
is responsible for and the kind of concept misconceptions that

872
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,679
are now drip fed to the people that are coming

873
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,400
into the world. Now there's far more people researching the

874
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,360
paranormal than there was ten years ago. Fifteen years ago,

875
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,159
before we were the weirdos, not a lot of people

876
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,679
did it, and now it's everyone is.

877
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: I have to admit I found it with like some

878
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,280
of the YouTubers, Like recently, I was with a group

879
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,159
called overnights we did heal fire caves. It was brilliant

880
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,280
and to be fair, they had the best reaction to

881
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,880
me ever turning up because and honestly, go watch it.

882
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,760
There are a decent bunch of lads. But it was

883
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,000
the fact that they turn up and the first thing

884
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:34,719
they see is me leaning with my hoodie on, with

885
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,320
my ice hockey jersey at the side, leaning on my bike,

886
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:43,719
just like all right, lads, and when if you turned

887
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,079
up on anything else, we would have asked for our

888
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:51,199
money back. The fact that you turned up on a motorbike. Aslogist,

889
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:56,880
everyone expects you to look like the Exorcist guy turned

890
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:02,119
up a briefcase and happened. No, I'll just rock up

891
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:02,599
as it is.

892
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,519
Speaker 2: Well, the thing with a lot of the occults throughout

893
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:09,920
history is it's always been hidden, isn't it. It's like

894
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,920
that the people that were the most powerful in your

895
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,760
cult circles actually never showed it. It's just like, so

896
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,039
you know that a sign of power usually is the

897
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:24,039
fact that you don't wield it openly ironically, So it's like,

898
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:27,880
so in a weird kind of way, you're actually sort of.

899
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: You know, he's passed. And if any of my alot

900
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,639
watched this. Screw you. I can say what I want.

901
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:50,239
For example, the Freemasons in the UK for ages, no

902
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,840
one actually knew who was in charge of, and it

903
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,079
was Prince Philip. The last person you expect to be

904
00:54:56,159 --> 00:55:01,920
in charge of was Prince Philip in chargeable to his death,

905
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,320
and you generally want to think about it with the

906
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,920
way he acted because he just didn't care.

907
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: No, no, the Freemotions are very good at that, the

908
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,440
bait and switch thing. Like you say, the real power

909
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:20,880
is usual really him plain sight but hidden at the

910
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:21,840
same time.

911
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: People, the thest people you expect are the ones that

912
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,280
are in them sort of circles.

913
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, it's quite surprising. It's like it's the

914
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,880
nature of the occult though, isn't it in a weird

915
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,239
kind of way. It's sort of like it's there and

916
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,400
it's in front of you, but you can't always see it.

917
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 12: So I think I think for anyone that lives in cities,

918
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,239
if you want to go and you can find I

919
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,960
know where you can find these in Derby, but I'm

920
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,400
not really looked in other cities.

921
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,199
Speaker 3: But if you're ever knocking around any of the church buildings,

922
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,360
stuff like that or the big fancy buildings that have

923
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,039
been built if you want to see if they were

924
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:05,920
actually built or funded by the Freemasons. If you look

925
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,320
towards the entrance, you will see basically with a line

926
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,400
across the top and three dashes coming down inside, and

927
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,800
that's mark the Freemason buildings.

928
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,199
Speaker 1: Okay, so like a TP yeah, that kind of shape.

929
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: Okay, across the top, and they'll be on bridges and

930
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,400
stuff like that, stuff that's been made violence and people

931
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:31,440
just don't notice them.

932
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,159
Speaker 1: Interesting. I think that would be really I think if

933
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:36,159
anyone does come across that out, if they have any

934
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,000
in their local historical buildings, it'd be great to see something.

935
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:41,880
Send them in, be good to see. If we can.

936
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: I will take some of the photos next time in Derby.

937
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:46,679
I'll send them over to you and I'll take the

938
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,880
photographs of them. And a lot of the places are

939
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,760
like for people to meet and just talk.

940
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: Interesting.

941
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. We've come to the end of a show,

942
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:59,239
and I think that's a really good place to kind

943
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:06,840
of but no, absolutely not. It's been really nice getting

944
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,480
to know you where you are now, and obviously getting

945
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,639
to know Lou and Lou's journey as well, it's been

946
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,559
amazing to speak with you. What we love to do

947
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:16,960
at the end of the show is kind of talk

948
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,000
about where everyone can find anything you're doing, So please

949
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,400
feel free to yeah to let us know where can

950
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,360
people find you and what if you are coming up, find.

951
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:28,519
Speaker 3: Us on the Other Dimension page. We've not done a

952
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,079
lot of shows recently because we've got a lot going on,

953
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,960
but we're still posting on you.

954
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was taking a bit slow at the moment.

955
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,039
We've just had quite a bit of a busy and

956
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:44,679
busys so yeah, slowing it down a little bit, but

957
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,119
we're still putting bits and somewhere we're just kind of

958
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,079
have a breather, regather ourselves, think about what we're actually

959
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:56,840
doing next. Yeah, just pop on the Other Dimension.

960
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find us the earlier Other dimension. Like

961
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,800
I said, later on next year, early next year, you

962
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,239
can find us at Stoke doing the talks and hopefully

963
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,639
next year I'll be setting up lessons as well, teaching

964
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:16,239
themnology from there. And you can find us with hord

965
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,719
Exchange because they do events as well. You find them

966
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,760
on Facebook really or if you generally have any questions,

967
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,159
just get in touch with us at the page. One

968
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:27,480
of us is always knocked about.

969
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:32,519
Speaker 2: One of you is more savvy than the other. Remember that.

970
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,599
Speaker 3: On tech Savvy that when I text on there, I

971
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,559
put in brackets my name so they realize it's me

972
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:45,199
they're talking to. That's how tech savvy I am on

973
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:49,800
the end of it. Yeah, I don't. I'm a bit everything.

974
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,079
I'll right, I'll get a dosh dosh. Ben.

975
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much for joining us this evening,

976
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,239
and we will look forward to hopefully next year if

977
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:04,599
you've got some time, it'd be great to have you

978
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:05,000
back on.

979
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 3: See what you guys want.

980
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:10,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, see what Ben and Lose World looks like. Then

981
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:12,599
that's fantastic. So we're going to say thank you for

982
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:15,840
everyone that's joined us this evening. Thank you for watching.

983
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,559
We have some more shows that are coming up in

984
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:24,159
two weeks time. We have a defense Attorney and we

985
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,400
also have Graham as well, isn't it.

986
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Dower.

987
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: And Geo Munson, two complete different subjects, so one other,

988
00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:39,000
this girls the other. But yeah, it'd be great for

989
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:39,679
us to see.

990
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:40,159
Speaker 6: You there as well.

991
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:42,039
Speaker 1: So for now we're going to say good night, thank

992
00:59:42,079 --> 01:00:02,559
you for joining us. Back the

993
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:05,519
Speaker 3: Fact