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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome back to The Unseen Podcast, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to missing people, unresolved cases, and UK true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to be exploring the case of Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas in nineteen sixty one. This case has taken me

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<v Speaker 1>longer to research and write as it has many interesting

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<v Speaker 1>nuances and connections to other cases which I believe are

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<v Speaker 1>important to highlight. This will also be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>few times that I cover a case that, while technically unsolved,

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<v Speaker 1>is also closed. This murder of a fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>girl caused a large police response at the time and

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<v Speaker 1>uncovered some important evidence. This episode contains descriptions that, while nevergraphic,

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<v Speaker 1>may contain details that some listeners find distressing. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>discusses the murder of two children, and so listener discretion

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<v Speaker 1>is always advised. On Friday, August twenty fifth, nineteen sixty one,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old James Ponting was out walking his dog

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<v Speaker 1>called Mick, in the inner city suburb of Bardsley Green,

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<v Speaker 1>around two miles from the city of Birmingham. It was

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<v Speaker 1>around five thirty p m. Ponting later explained that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been walking along the path and had decided to take

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<v Speaker 1>a side path as he saw a man with a

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<v Speaker 1>dog up ahead and wanted to avoid any confrontation. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>as I walked down the main path, I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>man with a dog further up the path. To avoid

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<v Speaker 1>any dog fight, I took a small side path. Mick

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<v Speaker 1>ran into the long grass, and although I called him twice,

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<v Speaker 1>he would not return. I thought that he was after

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<v Speaker 1>a rat, so I went into the long grass to

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<v Speaker 1>fetch him. Then I saw a head. I thought at

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<v Speaker 1>first it was a young man. I looked closer and

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<v Speaker 1>saw that there was a body sprawled there in the

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<v Speaker 1>waist high grass in an area known as the Allotments,

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<v Speaker 1>James Ponting had found the body of a young woman.

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<v Speaker 1>He quickly informed the Badsley Green Police station of his

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<v Speaker 1>discovery and Superintendent Nick Brennan responded to the scene. This

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<v Speaker 1>scene was clearly distressing for those that witnessed it. However,

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<v Speaker 1>fact finding was the most important part of this initial investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon close inspection, police were able to establish that this

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<v Speaker 1>was the body of a young woman dressed in a

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<v Speaker 1>black sweater, white jeans and a suede at jacket. She

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<v Speaker 1>was found with a floral piece of multicolored material wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>around her neck. It was initially thought that this was

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<v Speaker 1>a multicolored scarf. However, it was later found that it

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<v Speaker 1>was the young woman's floral slip which had been worn

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<v Speaker 1>underneath her clothes. This detail raised some flags about whether

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<v Speaker 1>a sexual assault had taken place, and it would later

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<v Speaker 1>be confirmed that the young woman had indeed been assaulted

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<v Speaker 1>at some point during her attack and murder. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no handbag found with the young woman, and all they

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<v Speaker 1>recovered from her body was some matches in her jean's pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>It was clear that her clothing had been disarranged. However,

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<v Speaker 1>officers could find no evidence of a struggle taking place

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<v Speaker 1>or any defensive injuries on her body. Her cause of

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<v Speaker 1>death would later be established as strangulation. Whatever had happened

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<v Speaker 1>to this young woman, there were not many clues as

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<v Speaker 1>to her identity at the scene or on her person. However,

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<v Speaker 1>looking through missing person reports from the local area gave

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<v Speaker 1>the police a name, Jacqueline Thomas. Fifteen year old Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas lived on Everton Road in their area of Alan Rock,

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<v Speaker 1>less than a mile away from Bardsley Green. Jacqueline, who

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<v Speaker 1>went by Jackie, lived with her very large family. Her

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<v Speaker 1>mother and her seven sisters, who were both older and

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<v Speaker 1>younger than her. Her father also lived with them, However,

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<v Speaker 1>it appears that he had had significant health issues and

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<v Speaker 1>had been in and out of Winston Green Hospital as

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<v Speaker 1>a patient since nineteen forty nine. Growing up, Jackie's mother

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<v Speaker 1>explained that she'd been a good girl and was always

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<v Speaker 1>helpful with her sisters. As she reached young adulthood, she

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<v Speaker 1>got a job at the local Hughes biscuit factory. She

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed doing things that many teenagers liked during the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties. She enjoyed socializing with her friends, going out

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<v Speaker 1>to cafes, and meeting people. Jackie was interested in any

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<v Speaker 1>event that was going on in that area and could

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<v Speaker 1>be found chatting and having fun. On the evening of

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth of August nineteen sixty one, Jackie and her

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<v Speaker 1>younger sister, Dorothy, who was thirteen, were very excited to

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<v Speaker 1>go and have a look at the Bob Wilson's Funfair,

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<v Speaker 1>which was taking place at ward End Park. Wardend Park

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<v Speaker 1>was less than a mile from Everton Road, where the

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<v Speaker 1>sisters lived. The pair left shortly after tea time at

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<v Speaker 1>around six thirty pm, and headed out to the fair

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<v Speaker 1>This seemed to be a routine Friday night, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was not unusual for Jackie, her sisters, or her friends

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<v Speaker 1>to go out together in the evening. At some point

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<v Speaker 1>during the night, however, thirteen year old Dorothy turned to

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<v Speaker 1>look for Jackie, but reportedly couldn't find her anywhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd or at the park. As she couldn't find her,

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<v Speaker 1>Dorothy decided to go home. She arrived home and told

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<v Speaker 1>her family that she couldn't find Jackie. However, is the

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<v Speaker 1>evening had not yet ended, this was not necessarily a

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<v Speaker 1>concern straight away, her sister Carol said about the evening,

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<v Speaker 1>they went to the fairground at ward End together. After

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<v Speaker 1>they had been there a bit, Dorothy turned around and

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline had gone. I waited up until eleven thirty, but

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't come home. Jackie's disappearance that evening did alarm

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<v Speaker 1>her family, and they reported her missing to the police

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<v Speaker 1>that night when she still had not come back. When

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<v Speaker 1>she had still not come home by the next morning,

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<v Speaker 1>they went out to look for her. Dorothy put on

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie's coat and went out to look for her on

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<v Speaker 1>the Saturday and then again on the Sunday when she

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<v Speaker 1>still hadn't returned. She hoped that she would be able

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<v Speaker 1>to find Jackie somewhere. However, she didn't, and she even

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<v Speaker 1>came across some of Jackie's friends, who all said that

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't know where she was. It was strange to

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<v Speaker 1>her family that nobody knew where Jackie was or what

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<v Speaker 1>she might have been doing. In articles would appear during

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<v Speaker 1>later reporting that Jackie had been frequenting cafes in the

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<v Speaker 1>area of Alan Rock More and More in recent months,

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<v Speaker 1>and that her family had noticed that this had been

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<v Speaker 1>having an impact on her behavior. Her mum told a

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper she was going out every day as I thought

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<v Speaker 1>to go to work and returning home in the evening.

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<v Speaker 1>I've since found out that she had not been going

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<v Speaker 1>to work, but she'd been spending her days hanging around

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<v Speaker 1>the cafes. Police were also aware that Jackie had been

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<v Speaker 1>reported missing once before, a few weeks previously. She had

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<v Speaker 1>returned the next day, and police labeled this as a

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<v Speaker 1>one off, saying she was missing for one night and

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<v Speaker 1>after she returned, the matter was treated as an escapade.

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<v Speaker 1>This was clearly not the same situation, however, given that

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<v Speaker 1>as the week passed, Jackie had still not been heard

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<v Speaker 1>from or seen by anyone that knew her. The discovery

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<v Speaker 1>that was then made on Friday the twenty fifth, a

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<v Speaker 1>week after she'd last been seen, was an immediate worry

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<v Speaker 1>for both the police and her family. Sadly, it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be long before she was identified as the young woman

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<v Speaker 1>that had been found murdered at the allotments. She was

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<v Speaker 1>officially identified by her family and a murder investigation was launched.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a huge gap in information about Jackie's whereabouts

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<v Speaker 1>after she arrived at the fair that night. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also the task of trying to narrow down when Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>had been killed and her body left in the site

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<v Speaker 1>where it was discovered. A week had gone by since

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<v Speaker 1>she disappeared, and it wasn't clear what exactly had happened

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<v Speaker 1>during this time. Doctor Benjamin Tillott Davis, lecturer in pathology

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<v Speaker 1>at Birmingham Union, later stated at the inquest into Jackie's

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<v Speaker 1>death that he believed that she'd died between four days

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<v Speaker 1>and a week before the discovery. However, he believed that

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<v Speaker 1>it had been around the eighteenth or nineteenth of August,

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<v Speaker 1>very soon after her disappearance. Dr Ernest George Gregory The

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<v Speaker 1>police divisional surgeon who attended the scene after the discovery

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<v Speaker 1>of Jackie's body, agreed that there had been some time

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<v Speaker 1>elapsed between the murder and the discovery, saying that she

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<v Speaker 1>had been dead for three days, before correcting himself and

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<v Speaker 1>saying by that, I mean she's been at dead at

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<v Speaker 1>least three days. The common theory was that Jackie had

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<v Speaker 1>been murdered either on the evening that she went missing

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<v Speaker 1>or very soon afterwards, with doctor Benjamin Tillett saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he believed it was an estimate of forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Another clue as to what Jackie may have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>during her time at the fair was the toxicology analysis

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<v Speaker 1>that was conducted. They found that Jackie had consumed the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of a pint of beer or two measures of

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<v Speaker 1>whiskey or three measures of port before her death. Police

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<v Speaker 1>began to conduct interviews with people who knew Jackie had

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<v Speaker 1>been at the fair that night or that lived in

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<v Speaker 1>the general vicinity of Wardend Park or of Badsley Green,

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<v Speaker 1>where the allotments were located. Chief Detective Superintendent Gerald Bomber

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<v Speaker 1>Head of Birmingham CID was in charge of the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>and began to trace Jackie's friends and peers in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very open about who he believed would have

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<v Speaker 1>the key to their case, telling the press, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>that the answer to this murder can be supplied by

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers in the city. The issue was speaking to teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>who were out most weekends and socialized with many people

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<v Speaker 1>each evening, was that information was not always consistent, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was also another problem. As Jackie had been missing

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<v Speaker 1>for a week before her discovery, many people didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that that Friday was so significant and so did not

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<v Speaker 1>remember exact times. There were several people who came forward

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<v Speaker 1>with information about Jackie on Friday the eighteenth. However, these

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<v Speaker 1>are contradictory at times and clearly cannot have taken place

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<v Speaker 1>at some of the times that were stated. They do

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<v Speaker 1>give some idea of a timeline of where Jackie may

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<v Speaker 1>have been or what her evening had been like. The

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<v Speaker 1>earliest witness in the evening that I have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to find is Nellie Beale. She said at around eight

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<v Speaker 1>forty pm, she saw Jackie sitting on the floor in

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<v Speaker 1>the doorway of the Pelham Arms with another girl and

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<v Speaker 1>two boys. Jackie left at nine pm. She then added

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<v Speaker 1>that She saw her again at eleven twenty pm, hurrying home,

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<v Speaker 1>and she came from the direction of the allotments. Another teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>mag Maureen Stewart, aged fourteen, then explained that she was

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<v Speaker 1>with Jackie at the fair and they left together at

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<v Speaker 1>around nine to fifteen pm. She stated, as they went

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<v Speaker 1>down slade Field Road with her younger brother, they met

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<v Speaker 1>a big gang of teddy boys. The boys chased them

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<v Speaker 1>and her and her brother ran across the road. Maureen

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<v Speaker 1>said that they quote got Jacqueline by the railings, but

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<v Speaker 1>she caught up with them in a few minutes. She

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<v Speaker 1>asked her and her friend Yvonne if they would go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the fair with her, and they said no.

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<v Speaker 1>She was last seen at around nine thirty five pm,

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<v Speaker 1>heading down Pelham Road as though back to her home.

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<v Speaker 1>Her friend Olive Rhodes then added on some more detail

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<v Speaker 1>about the evening. She said that she'd been with Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>that Friday night and they were with three boys and

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<v Speaker 1>three girls. She said, we had a drink at a

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<v Speaker 1>public house and then they dropped me at home. Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>pans a boy called Tony, but I don't know his

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<v Speaker 1>other name. We went to a public house on Hodgehill Common,

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<v Speaker 1>halfway between Wardend and Castle Bromwich, where we had a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>We left about closing time and came back home. Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>was her usual self, but did tell me that she

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<v Speaker 1>was not going to go home that night. She was

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<v Speaker 1>friendly with a number of boys, but there was nothing

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<v Speaker 1>serious about any of the affairs. They dropped me near

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<v Speaker 1>my home at around half ten and I never saw

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie again. This information was interesting given that they knew

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<v Speaker 1>from the toxicology report that Jackie had been drinking on

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<v Speaker 1>have been the time that this happened. It's also interesting

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<v Speaker 1>as she'd made the comment that she didn't plan on

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<v Speaker 1>returning to her home that night. Two further witnesses who

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<v Speaker 1>claim to have seen are spoken to Jackie that night

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<v Speaker 1>both confirmed that she was not alone. In fact, they

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<v Speaker 1>both said that she was with a man. Jackie's friend

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<v Speaker 1>June Frank, said that she'd last seen Jackie at ten

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<v Speaker 1>pm that night and had seen her walking with a

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<v Speaker 1>man from the park. The man had either blonde or

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<v Speaker 1>ginger hair, however, she didn't know him directly. She said

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<v Speaker 1>she did later see the same man about a week later,

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<v Speaker 1>going through the gate at Wardend Park. She said that

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<v Speaker 1>when she told police about this sighting, she attended an

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<v Speaker 1>identity parade but did not recognize the boy from the

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<v Speaker 1>line up. Twenty three year old Malcolm Perry also said

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<v Speaker 1>that he saw Jackie twice that evening. He stated that

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<v Speaker 1>he had met her at the fair on the day

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<v Speaker 1>she disappeared. He said that he'd taken his dog to

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<v Speaker 1>make a fuss of it. He said he was sure

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<v Speaker 1>that it was her. At about ten twenty five to

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<v Speaker 1>ten forty five pm that night, he saw her again

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<v Speaker 1>with a man on the corner of Belcher's Lane and

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<v Speaker 1>Cotterill's Lane. He said she was coming from Pelhams accompanied

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<v Speaker 1>was a yard or two in front of her. They

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be shouting at each other. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>loud conversation. They were bawling at each other. The man

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<v Speaker 1>He described the man as five feet ten, maybe touching

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<v Speaker 1>six feet. He looked a adverage build and had on

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<v Speaker 1>or something over his arm. He said that the name

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<v Speaker 1>that he heard Jackie shout sounded something like Johnny. This man

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<v Speaker 1>called Johnny was a line of inquiry for the police,

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<v Speaker 1>and they issued a description of him to the public

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<v Speaker 1>in the hope that someone would recognize him and they

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<v Speaker 1>could eliminate him. He was described as about seventeen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>with crew cup blonde hair, a leather jacket, tight blue jeans,

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<v Speaker 1>black pointed shoes, and a light colored shirt. The jacket

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<v Speaker 1>may have had an animal's head or flashes on the back.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sometimes referred to as Johnny and frequented the funfair,

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<v Speaker 1>who was thought that he might have been irish. It

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<v Speaker 1>appears that they did eventually find Johnny, and there does

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<v Speaker 1>not seem to be much in more information about him,

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<v Speaker 1>aside from the fact that there were two young men

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<v Speaker 1>called Johnny who frequented the funfair regularly. It appears at

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<v Speaker 1>by eleven pm Jackie had been spotted in several different locations,

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<v Speaker 1>and some people even believed that they spotted her after

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night. Jannis Gloria Robinson said she saw her on

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<v Speaker 1>a bus on the Tuesday after she disappeared. She was

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<v Speaker 1>sat with a man. Police believed that this couldn't be true,

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<v Speaker 1>but the public were being cooperative and people were coming

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<v Speaker 1>forward with information. One person was certainly on their radar

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<v Speaker 1>as being an important part of the puzzle, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was a young girl between the ages of fourteen and

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen who had been seen speaking to Jackie at the

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<v Speaker 1>fair on that Friday night. The girl described as being

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<v Speaker 1>freckled and wearing heavy makeup. She was also thought to

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<v Speaker 1>have had an issue with one eye. This girl would

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<v Speaker 1>come to be known as bubble cut Girl in the

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<v Speaker 1>papers due to her haircut. This girl was of interest

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<v Speaker 1>to the police because she'd been seen speaking to Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 1>at the fair not long before she disappeared. She seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of the last people who had been

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<v Speaker 1>seen speaking to her that night. Police made significant inroads

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<v Speaker 1>in trying to locate her, and they created an e

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<v Speaker 1>fit of the girl they wanted to speak to. They

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<v Speaker 1>also went to all the schools in the city in

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<v Speaker 1>order to try and find out where she might have

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<v Speaker 1>attended school or anyone who knew her. There were many

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<v Speaker 1>appeals in the newspapers to try and find her, with

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<v Speaker 1>detectives reaching out to ask her to come forward. Several

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<v Speaker 1>months passed in the case, with investigations ongoing. Police stated

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<v Speaker 1>that the public had been a great help and there

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<v Speaker 1>had been several people who had come forward to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with them. On September thirteenth, Jackie's funeral took place at

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Matthew's Church, where Jackie and her family had attended

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<v Speaker 1>and Jackie attended the Sunday School before they moved due

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<v Speaker 1>to redevelopment plans in the city. It was reported that

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of people attended to mourn Jackie's death and celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>her life. It was a tragedy for many people who

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the city, and the community as a whole

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<v Speaker 1>was mourning the loss of such a young life. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>the huge loss at the community felt there was a

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<v Speaker 1>sense that Jackie had recently begun to be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the lifestyle that had put her at risk. This

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<v Speaker 1>idea that Jackie had been engaging with risky lifestyle choices

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<v Speaker 1>before her murder permeates into the narrative in the newspapers,

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<v Speaker 1>with Jackie's father telling a newspaper at the time, I

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<v Speaker 1>blamed myself. Jackie had become a good time girl. I

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<v Speaker 1>gave up my job to try and save her, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was too late. The idea that Jackie had somehow

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<v Speaker 1>played a part in the murder and became a good

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<v Speaker 1>time girl is very much representative of the time that

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<v Speaker 1>this took place in the early sixties. The police had

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<v Speaker 1>been diligently following up leeds into the murder throughout this time,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was only in December of nineteen sixty one

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<v Speaker 1>that more information became available about the investigation. This is

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<v Speaker 1>when the inquest took place in front of the coroner,

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<v Speaker 1>mister George Billingham, and they could piece together all of

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<v Speaker 1>the known events of August eighteenth, including many of the

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses such as her friends June Franks and Malcolm Perry.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two very noticeable and important witnesses. One of

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<v Speaker 1>them was fifteen year old Annie Broughton. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>girl known as Bubble Cup, who the police had been

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<v Speaker 1>trying to locate during the investigation. She had eventually been

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<v Speaker 1>found through their inquiries at local schools. Annie testified at

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<v Speaker 1>the inquest, stating that she had seen Jackie at the

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<v Speaker 1>fair that night and that she did not come forward

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<v Speaker 1>sooner as she didn't know that Jackie was actually missing.

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<v Speaker 1>She dismissed a question asking whether she'd been too scared

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<v Speaker 1>to come forward and said this wasn't the case. She

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't know that she knew anything important. She stated

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<v Speaker 1>that she thought she had also spotted Jacket on the

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<v Speaker 1>Monday evening as well as the Friday evening. This seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be at odds with the medical testimony from the experts,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was also something else that the coroner wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to take into consideration. If this Monday sighting was incorrect

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<v Speaker 1>based on the medical evidence, then there was someone else

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<v Speaker 1>who was seen with Jackie after Annie Broughton. A twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four year old man named Anthony Ian Hall. Hall testified

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<v Speaker 1>that he had been with Jackie that evening. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd met her at the fair, but did not

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<v Speaker 1>know her name at the time, so he called her Sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that he asked her to go for a

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<v Speaker 1>walk and they went to some grass next to the

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<v Speaker 1>boat in lake. He said he kissed her and admitted

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<v Speaker 1>to trying to have sex with her. He said, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>been drinking, I saw her there among the bright lights

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<v Speaker 1>and bustle of the fair, and on the spur of

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, I asked her to go for a walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie didn't speak much. We both just sat there in

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<v Speaker 1>the warm night. I began thinking about my wife. Then

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly Jackie jumped up and she must be off as

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<v Speaker 1>she had someone to meet at the fair. The last

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<v Speaker 1>I saw of her was the flash of her white

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<v Speaker 1>jeans as she hurried back towards the lights and the music.

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<v Speaker 1>Hall had representation in the form of a solicitor at

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<v Speaker 1>the inquest, who said Hall wanted to give evidence to

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<v Speaker 1>prove that he had nothing to do with this murder

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<v Speaker 1>and wanted to clear his name. He said, his instructions

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<v Speaker 1>to me have been that he wants to give evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that though he may not be an angel, the finger

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<v Speaker 1>of suspicion over him can be cleared up. The coroner

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<v Speaker 1>responded by saying that he didn't need to give evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>as this was just to prove how Jackie had died.

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<v Speaker 1>Hall stated that he left Jackie at the fair around

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty pm and then went to break into some

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<v Speaker 1>shops afterwards, arriving home at around two am. It's evident

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<v Speaker 1>during his testimony at the inquest that police had spoken

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<v Speaker 1>to Hall quite soon into the investigation, and that he

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<v Speaker 1>had been questioned and had three small, superficial abrasions on

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<v Speaker 1>his hands, looked at only a day after Jackie's body

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<v Speaker 1>had been discovered. At the inquest, he explained that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>given a false alibi to police. During this questioning. He

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<v Speaker 1>told them that he'd been at his mother's house at

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thirty PM speaking to a friend outside of the home.

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<v Speaker 1>He later admitted that this had not been true, and

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd asked his mother to tell police he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>there talking to the friend. He said he lied initially

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<v Speaker 1>quote jokingly and out of bravado, and because he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want his wife, who had just had his baby, to

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<v Speaker 1>know what he'd been up to. Is Jackie at the fair.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he didn't make up the alibi because he'd

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<v Speaker 1>murdered Jackie. He stated, when I left that girl that night,

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<v Speaker 1>she was alive and well, I never saw her again.

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<v Speaker 1>The coroner explained that, as far as he was aware,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul had been the last person to see her alive.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, it may be a very important matter for

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<v Speaker 1>us to ascertain if we can the day she actually

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<v Speaker 1>came to her death, whether it was Friday or some

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<v Speaker 1>other time. You may hear some teenage girls saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they think they saw her on the Saturday, the Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>or even on the Monday or the Tuesday. The last

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<v Speaker 1>person who can definitely be identified as being with her

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<v Speaker 1>is a young man aged twenty four, Anthony Ian Hall

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<v Speaker 1>explain this could not be confirmed as Annie Broughton had

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<v Speaker 1>said that she had seen her on the Monday and

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<v Speaker 1>this could not be ruled out. The coroner corrected himself

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<v Speaker 1>and replied, what I should have said was Anthony Hall

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<v Speaker 1>was the last person seen with her on the night

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<v Speaker 1>in question, Friday, the eighteenth of August. Paul later gave

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<v Speaker 1>an interview at home with his wife and his baby, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>the mental torture of the past weeks has made me ill.

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<v Speaker 1>Only the knowledge that I was innocent and that my

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<v Speaker 1>wife fully believed in my innocence kept me going. Powells

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<v Speaker 1>and neighbors have been wonderful. They assured me right from

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<v Speaker 1>the start that they were behind me. But there are

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<v Speaker 1>still a few people who think I'm the killer, and

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<v Speaker 1>for them I have a message. You can tell these

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<v Speaker 1>people that all I am waiting for is the day

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<v Speaker 1>when the killer is caught. I will do all I

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<v Speaker 1>can to speed that day. When it comes, I will

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<v Speaker 1>have the last laugh. The inquest was not a criminal

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<v Speaker 1>case and was merely to a stab what may have

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Jacket to have caused her death. A verdict

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<v Speaker 1>was reached which was murdered by person or persons unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>This will have been a fact already well known to

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<v Speaker 1>the police, who from the outset knew that this was

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<v Speaker 1>a murder case. The inquest, however, had brought out some

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting facts. Police had investigated many angles and had

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<v Speaker 1>tracked down as many leads as they could, even sending

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<v Speaker 1>papers to the Crown Prosecution Service in November nineteen sixty one,

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<v Speaker 1>shortly before the inquest. This meant that they sent evidence

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<v Speaker 1>they had to the CPS to assess whether an arrest

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<v Speaker 1>could be made. However, the decision was made that they

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<v Speaker 1>did not have enough evidence and so could not proceed

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<v Speaker 1>with any charges. Jackie's case was far from being an

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved case. However, having evidence and having enough evidence was

422
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<v Speaker 1>something completely different, and it appears in this case there

423
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<v Speaker 1>was simply not enough for a conviction. This would normally

424
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<v Speaker 1>be where I would leave a case on the unseen

425
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>with little coverage over the years and the case remaining unsolved. However,

426
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<v Speaker 1>this is where Jacqueline's case differs to many others that

427
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<v Speaker 1>I have covered. In two thousand and seven, there was

428
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<v Speaker 1>an interesting and surprising development. Having been reinvestigated by Glenn

429
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<v Speaker 1>Moss at the West Midland's Major Crime Review Team, a

430
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.519
<v Speaker 1>seventy year old man was arrested for Jacqueline's murder. The

431
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.319
<v Speaker 1>man's name was also well known to anyone who read

432
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>about the case at the time. The man arrested was

433
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<v Speaker 1>antony Ian Hall. Hall had been extensively investigated during nineteen

434
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>sixty one, and while an arrest was not made, he

435
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 1>had been the last person to see Jacqueline alive and

436
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 1>had admitted to trying to have sex with her that night.

437
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Following this reinvestigation into the circumstances surrounding Jackie's murder, police

438
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:10.839
<v Speaker 1>believed that Hall was responsible. In two thousand and eight,

439
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.279
<v Speaker 1>the case went before Judge Frank Chapman at Birmingham Crown Court.

440
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>He came to a conclusion which no doubt was a

441
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>disappointment to the police who investigated it and Jackie's family.

442
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:25.799
<v Speaker 1>He stated that the case was just too long ago

443
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to give Hall a fair and balanced trial. As twenty

444
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>one witnesses from the original investigation had since died and

445
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 1>others were too ill or could not be traced. As

446
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 1>well as this, he said that although these witnesses gave

447
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>statements at the time, it was too long ago for

448
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 1>any of them to realistically recollect it now. He also

449
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>stated that the prosecution had not brought forward any new

450
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 1>evidence in the case, and this would have made all

451
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the difference, as well as the poor record keeping that

452
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>meant that the defense in a new trial would not

453
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>be able to investigate properly. He stated, I'm aware of

454
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the strong public interest in bringing a killer to justice.

455
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm aware that this must be the very last chance

456
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 1>to bring someone before a court for the death of

457
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline Thomas. But I must not let these pressures compound

458
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:19.319
<v Speaker 1>one injustice on another. In my view, any trial which

459
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>was to follow in this case would not be balanced unfair.

460
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.279
<v Speaker 1>The prosecution said that they were not looking to charge

461
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>anyone else with the murder and were not looking for

462
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 1>any other suspects for the crime. Glenn Moss from the

463
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Major Crime Review Team said, clearly, we are not looking

464
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 1>for anyone else, but we respect the decision of the court.

465
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<v Speaker 1>This must have been a blow to the police, who

466
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>liked the officers back in nineteen sixty one believed that

467
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Hall had committed this crime. There were now other

468
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>reasons for West Midland's police to believe this. In two

469
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven, at the time of his arrest for

470
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline's murder, Hall was already in prison serving a life

471
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>sentence for the murder of another teenager in nineteen sixty seven,

472
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 1>a murder for which he had remained in prison for

473
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 1>since nineteen sixty eight. While Hall could not be convicted

474
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 1>for the murder of Jacqueline Thomas, he had been successfully

475
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>convicted of the murder of sixteen year old Sylvia white

476
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 1>House in Marston Green in Warwickshire in December nineteen sixty seven.

477
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Sylvia white House was working as a shop assistant in

478
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>the area of Great Bar in the northwest of Birmingham.

479
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>As she was working in that area, Sylvia was staying

480
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 1>with her married sister, who lived closer to work. This

481
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>seemed to work out well for both of them, as

482
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Sylvia was closer to her job, but she also helped

483
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 1>her sister out with babysitting. During that time, Sylvia's brother

484
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>in law was in the hospital and so she babysat

485
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 1>for her sister on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. While

486
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>her sister visited her her husband. Tuesday evenings were for Sylvia,

487
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and she often chose to head down to the Tangent

488
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Club in Small Heath to meet her friends and go

489
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:14.119
<v Speaker 1>for a dance. This was Sylvia's night to let her

490
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 1>hair down and enjoy herself. On Tuesday, December twelfth, Sylvia

491
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>did as she usually did and headed out to the

492
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Tangent Club. She met up with some friends and one

493
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.039
<v Speaker 1>of them, her friend, Kenny, later testified about what happened

494
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.359
<v Speaker 1>that night. He said, I did not arrange to meet

495
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 1>her there, but I go to the club nearly every night,

496
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.359
<v Speaker 1>and so does Sylvia whenever she can. She came into

497
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 1>the club on her own and I knew her well.

498
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 1>We had been classmates since the second year at Oakley

499
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Road Secondary School. We got talking and we spent most

500
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 1>of the evening at the dance together. She danced either

501
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>with me or her friend Jenny Peacock. The group danced

502
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>for most of the night together, and Kenny stated that

503
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.759
<v Speaker 1>the dance ended at ten thirty and the friends left

504
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the club at around ten forty pm. Kenny said that

505
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.559
<v Speaker 1>there around three of his mates and a couple of

506
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 1>other girls who walked out of the club together. He

507
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 1>said that some of the rest of the group left

508
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>to get their own buses, and he walked up to

509
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.279
<v Speaker 1>the bus stop with Sylvia. It turned out that Sylvia

510
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 1>had missed the earlier boss that she wanted to get

511
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 1>and so had to get on the midnight service instead.

512
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Kenny said that he walked up to the depot with

513
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:32.599
<v Speaker 1>her between eleven and eleven thirty pm. He said that

514
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>when they approached the depot it was well lit and

515
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>there were lots of other people stood there waiting for

516
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 1>the same bus. He later said, I thought she would

517
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 1>be okay. Kenny then returned home, and his mother confirmed

518
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that he walked into the house at around eleven thirty

519
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>as a TV program called The Court Martial was just

520
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>coming on. Sylvia did not return home on that midnight service,

521
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and the next day, Ali d named John Swain, who

522
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.759
<v Speaker 1>was going to pick up some supplies from a scaffolding company,

523
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 1>had stopped just off the road in Bickenhill Lane in

524
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Marston Green, just off the A forty five. As he stopped,

525
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>he spotted what looked like a body hidden behind a hedge.

526
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>This would turn out to be sylvia White house, and

527
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:25.839
<v Speaker 1>she was partly clothed and hidden under her coat. This

528
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>area has been described as a lover's lane and appears

529
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 1>to be somewhat secluded. Sylvia had multiple stab wounds, forty

530
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>five in total, and it appeared that she'd been viciously

531
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>attacked with what looked to be a screwdriver. There seemed

532
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>to be several items missing which had been with Sylvia

533
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 1>when she'd been waiting at the bus stop. These included

534
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a black patent barrel handbag, a square pink scarf, beige

535
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>high heel shoes, and black framed glasses. These items would

536
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>have been with Sylvia that night, so it would appear

537
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that the killer had taken them with him. A large

538
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>investigation was launched into what might have happened to Sylvia,

539
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>including interviewing other people who were at the bus stop

540
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that night and examining the bus route. Sylvia was known

541
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>as a responsible girl who cared deeply for other people,

542
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 1>even being called the good little Samaritan, given that she

543
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>would help the elderly people who lived on her street.

544
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Nobody who knew her thought she would willingly get into

545
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 1>someone's car of their own accord and thought this would

546
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>be very out of character. She had a loving family

547
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 1>who would deeply upset by her murder and could not

548
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 1>believe what had happened. Police were very vigilant of any

549
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.359
<v Speaker 1>cars that had been seen in the area, as during

550
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:51.359
<v Speaker 1>that time they had around twenty reports of women being

551
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>accosted by a man in the small Heath area. This

552
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>man was known to be a curb crawler who had

553
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>try to pick up women once the dance halls closed

554
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 1>and women who were waiting for a bus or a

555
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 1>lift from someone. A witness had spotted a green Morris

556
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Oxford type car with a white roof. This car had

557
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 1>been spotted at around three thirty am on December thirteenth,

558
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>traveling from Birmingham City Centre to Coventry Road. Another witness

559
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 1>saw a man in an Austin Cambridge or Morris Oxford

560
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>car looking over at people who were stood at the

561
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>bus stop. This lead about the Morris type car would

562
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>prove to be the key to the case. When police

563
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>managed to track its movements, they found that a car

564
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Speaker 1>matching the description had been stolen from Manchester on December

565
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 1>the eleventh. This car was a Morris Farina with two

566
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 1>odd wheels at the front. When analyzed, these matched tire

567
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>tracks that were found at the crime scene. Police were

568
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>able to trace the car to a house in Olroy

569
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Was in Staffordshire, where at five point thirty am on

570
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 1>December thirteenth, a fire broke out inside and woke up

571
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the neighbors. When firemen attended the scene, they found a

572
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 1>fresh trail of blood from the house, as well as

573
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a number of items in the grate that had been burnt,

574
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the handle of a handbag, some cosmetics and a pair

575
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>of shoes similar to that that Sylvia was wearing. As

576
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>well as this, they found antony Ian Hall inside the

577
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>house that he had been allowed to stay in by

578
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 1>some of his friends. Police were able to match fibers

579
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>from underneath Sylvia's fingernails and on her body to the

580
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 1>carpet that was in the stolen Morris Farina. Sylvia also

581
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>had an unusual blood group, and this same blood type

582
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>was found inside the car. From the police's perspective, Hall

583
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>had access to the Morris Varina, which has been shown

584
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 1>to have Sylvia inside, and had been found burning objects

585
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that looked like they belonged to her. This appeared to

586
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>be an open and shut case. Haul, on his part,

587
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>stated he did have access to the Morris Farina, however

588
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>he had not been driving it. He said he lent

589
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the car to his friend Dobie on December twelfth. However,

590
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 1>when he got the car back, he found the blood

591
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and the blood stained bag inside. He then put the

592
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.519
<v Speaker 1>objects on the fire to get rid of them. This

593
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 1>did not convince investigators, who charged him with Sylvia's murder.

594
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Just over a week after her murder. Paul pled not guilty. However,

595
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>at trial, the jury heard about the evidence that police

596
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>had collated against him during the investigation. The jury found

597
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 1>him guilty of murder and sentenced him to life in prison.

598
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Just as Stable said, you have been convicted of the

599
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 1>murder of this nice sixteen year old child standing on

600
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the threshold of life. The sentence imposed by law is

601
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.159
<v Speaker 1>that you will be imprisoned for life. I think that

602
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:11.159
<v Speaker 1>sentence in your case means what it says. As Hall

603
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 1>was led out of the courtroom, Sylvia's dad shouted, may

604
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 1>your black soul rot in hell. Hall appealed his sentence. However,

605
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Lord Justice Fenton, who was asked to consider this appeal,

606
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 1>said there was overwhelming forensic evidence that the murder had

607
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.840
<v Speaker 1>taken place in a car that Hall himself said that

608
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>he had access to, and so he would not consider

609
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>an appeal. Hal's background in Jacqueline's case becomes all the

610
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>more sinister when looking at what happened to Sylvia just

611
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>six years later. It's clear that the large amount of

612
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 1>forensic evidence collected in Sylvia's case was at odds with

613
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 1>the lack of evidence that could be collected in Jacqueline's,

614
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and as a result, Jacqueline's case remains unsolved, although officially

615
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 1>now a closed case. The difference in the way that

616
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>both cases were discussed in the press is very noticeable,

617
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>given that Jacqueline seems to have been portrayed as a

618
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.280
<v Speaker 1>good time girl and almost as though her behaviour contributed

619
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.079
<v Speaker 1>to her death, while Sylvia has been portrayed as a

620
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>good girl who helped the elderly. Both women were deserving

621
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of having their stories told, but it's always interesting to

622
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 1>see how and why women are portrayed as so in

623
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the media and how this affects the progress made on

624
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.039
<v Speaker 1>the case and the care that the public has for them.

625
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Did Jacqueline's image in the media have an impact on

626
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 1>the evidence collected or the people who came forward with information.

627
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>We don't know. And it's important to say that antony

628
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Ian Hall was never convicted of Jacqueline's murder. The police, however,

629
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 1>have never looked at any other suspects since their attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to convict him. Hall died in twenty twelve in custody

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<v Speaker 1>from a long illness, and so it seems this chapter

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<v Speaker 1>for both Jacqueline and Sila's family's over. However, the devastation

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<v Speaker 1>that's left behind will never leave them. The question of

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<v Speaker 1>what really happened to Jacqueline Thomas that night remains a mystery.

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