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Speaker 1: Yes, us, it's up and I'm a hello everybody, and

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welcome back to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast.

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We are back for part two of our Dirty Dancing

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Versus Saturday Night Fever escapade movie versus movie, album versus album.

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And the music on this stuff is amazing.

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Speaker 2: The music is great, the movies are great, the characters

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are great. It's iconic, two of the most iconic musical

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movies of the decades. Yeah, now we're gonna be talking

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about Saturday Night Fever, which has reached its forty fifth anniversary,

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and Dirty Dancing, which has reached it's thirty fifth anniversary.

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Movie to movie, we're trying not to talk to music

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this time around. Then we'll compare soundtrack to soundtrack. We'll

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dive into the music. But I want you to know

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that talking about these movies is much more than just talking.

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You gotta feel it. It's a heartbeat.

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Speaker 1: Boom boom, boom boom. Jason, you have your hand on

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my chest.

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Speaker 2: Watch the hair, watch the hair.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back. We're so glad to have you.

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our Toto and Duran Duran episode and we had some

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people meet that challenge.

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Speaker 2: Let me read you one of these okay, okay, okay.

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So we received one of these reviews from Sean Niehoff.

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This was from the Toto and Duran Duran episodes we

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Speaker 2: Well here from them a lot, great guy. Thanks Sean,

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We appreciate you. Here's what he had to say. It's

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these guys hit the best of the best of movies

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and music. Keep up the good work. This podcast is

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Speaker 2: Thanks Sean, appreciate you. Buddy. Take the challenge, five star review.

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Hashtag Night Fever, hashtag carry the Watermelon?

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Speaker 1: What are we like teenagers? You don't have to put

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a hashtag. Just say the word, man, just say the word.

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I thought hashtag was like the thing you don't even

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know what I.

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's dive back into the movies, Saturday

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Night Fever and Dirty Dancing.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we just finished up our last episode

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with casting. Now we're into production, and so Saturday Night fever.

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In addition to not having the completed script and just

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now getting the actors and a very new director and

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a music style that was going out, they had another problem.

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New York City knew who John Travolta was and they

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wanted to.

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Speaker 2: See Yeah, this is incredible. So the first day of shooting,

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they're shooting in Brooklyn and all of a sudden word

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gets out that Bennie Barberino is out on the street

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filming a movie, and they had thousands upon thousands of

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people show up right ever ruined the first day. They

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had to go home on lunchtime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they couldn't film a scene where there weren't hordes

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of people in the background messing up the scene.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they went home at lunch. He's like, forget this,

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we'll start over. They had to come out with fake

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call sheets, we're going to be here when we're really here,

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and they had to get up at five o'clock in

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the morning and shoot before people were up and around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they it was all very bait and switch

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and sneaking around just to get the scenes that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool. One of the things I thought

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was interesting about the development of this movie. Yeah, they

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had to they're trying to find the tone, and the

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movie that they were trying to sort of remake was

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Rebel Without a Cause.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that now.

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Speaker 2: Then I have a question for you. Yes, sidebar okay,

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is Urban Cowboy a remake of Saturday Night Fever except countryfied?

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Speaker 1: It is kind of a countryfied version, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's dancing and sex and dishonest nastiness all

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Speaker 2: Be talking about yourselves. Yeah, Urban Cowboy modern remake.

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Speaker 1: Topic for a discussion. Hit us up on Facebook. What

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do you think Is Urban Cowboy just the countryfied version

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of Saturday Night Fever.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I've got something for you. This is a really

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cool tidbit I found. Okay, okay, Yeah, So John Badam

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who became the second director and ultimately the director of

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Saturday Night Fever. So he's a Birmingham, Alabama guy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: And we've got a couple of buddies of ours that

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we've interacted with. One of them is Van Allen Plexico.

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He's an Alabama guy and David Wright lived in Birmingham,

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Alabama for a long time. Okay, so I texted him aike, hey, Dave,

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you got you know who John Badam is. He said, oh, yeah,

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he's He's a huge Birmingham guy and he ultimately did wargames.

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Remember the So here's the tidbit that I that I read. Okay,

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So the multi colored dance floor that is hugely famous.

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It's on the album cover, it's on the movie cover.

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Speaker 1: It's iconic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that wasn't in the Odyssey. They got that

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from a place called the Club in Birmingham, Alabama. What

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does that match up with Birmingham, Alabama, not Birmingham in

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England where is from? Birmingham, Alabama is responsible for the

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dance floor in the New York City Discotheque. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: But like I think, after this, everybody probably started emulating that,

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trying to get that same light up floor.

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Speaker 2: So I called him, I said, hey, listen, are you

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familiar with the club in Birmingham. He's like, oh yeah,

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like yeah, yeah, everybody knows the club.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: It's like this fancy country club like place. Wow, that's

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where they got the multicolored dance floor.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: How about that great?

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Speaker 1: So we mentioned before in our last episode that John

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Travolta had fallen in love with this girl named Diana Hyland. Yes,

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when he was making the first TV movie that he made,

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which was Boy in the Bubble, and they were together,

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they were close, and she was the one who had

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encouraged him to go make this movie, even though at

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the time she was battling breast cancer.

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Speaker 1: And so while he's filming the movie, he gets a

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phone call. They say, she's only got a couple days left.

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to leave the movie in the middle of the movie,

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has to leave, go to be with her, watch her die,

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go to her funeral, and then go back and continue

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to film this movie.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And they said they'd see him on set and he

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would just be over in a corner and quiet and

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maybe tearful and looking away in a despondent way. And

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they're like John, I've ever seen And he would pop up,

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go do the scene, nail it, and then go back

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and sit down and contemplate life. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I got a couple of tidbits for you. Okay, Yeah,

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these are found fascinating. Okay, so one of the very

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first times ever in history, you have the use of

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the steady cam. Okay, this guy named Garrett Brown who

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would ultimately win a nineteen seventy eight oscar for his invention.

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H He came up with this camera stabilizing device. Yeah,

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that allowed him to carry it and it looked.

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Speaker 1: Smooth on film. We've talked about him before. I'm not

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remembering what episode, but I know that we've talked about

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Garrett Brown and the steady cam before.

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Speaker 2: You know what else? Was the first time to appear

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in this movie the term.

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Speaker 1: Job as in okay, just give me a yes, Oh

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my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're gonna break down a few of the scenes

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in this movie. But that's the first time ever.

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Speaker 1: So talking about the steady cam.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the opening scene of this movie is iconic.

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Speaker 1: Walk him along the sidewalk, you know, he looks like

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he's ready to go to the club. And we figure

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out later why is he carrying a paint can? I know,

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but you have this ultra cool, ultra well dressed guy

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walking with a paint can checking out the girls and

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these amazing shoes.

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Speaker 2: Right, he does have amazing shoes.

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Speaker 1: So there was a rumor that went around for a

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long time that those were not John travolt his feet. Now,

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if you look at some point, you can see it

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pans up from his shoes up to his face. So

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at least part of it has to be his feet.

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in addition to the dance scenes, of course, is that

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they wanted to be able to go from foot to face.

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You can't. You don't want to cut away because you

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want to see the rhythm of the walk and you

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want to see the beautiful man.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right.

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and raise up in a smooth transition the whole way.

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these rumors. Those were my feet. Those were not a

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stand in's feet, not at all except for one scene. Yes,

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haven't even seen his face yet. He walks up next

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to the shoe store, sees the shoes in the window,

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lifts his own foot up. That was the stand in,

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and John Travolta was like, when I saw the movie

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and I saw that and saw him kind of bounce

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up and down like no balance, I would not have

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done that to me. It was he was like dancing

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to the rhythm of the music in his head or whatever.

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double foot that he had.

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Speaker 2: That guy's foot pissed him off. So here's what I

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found interesting. Okay, the beaches weren't involved until post production, right, Okay,

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the songs that they're dancing to, yeah, it's like Boss gags. Right,

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So when Tony and Neett are in the dance studio

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and they're dancing to the song, they weren't actually dancing

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to more than a woman. They were dancing to a

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song called low Down by Boss Skaggs. And I text

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you this week, right, you know who wrote that song?

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Speaker 1: I do because you texted it to me. Why don't

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you tell.

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Speaker 2: Me Boss Skaggs and David Page that's right, of Toto,

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and who was playing on it, Steve Picaro and David

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Hungate of Toto once again Toto making their stamp.

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Speaker 1: So the Boss Skaggs song did not end up in

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the movie, but they had done this. They had done

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a dance scene to this Boss Gag song. Yes, so

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there's a composer for this movie. Beyond the Beg's there's

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a guy named David Shire. You hear the classical pieces

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that are to the disco sound, right, He's the guy

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that would put that stuff in. And so whenever they

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that they no longer did, he was the one that

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was charged with composing music that would fit the scene

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to the rhythm of the Boss Skag song.

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to plug and play as they do the dancing and

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the music didn't match up perfectly, and so they had

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to adjust some of the cuts to make it work. Yeah,

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it seems to me when you hit exactly on the

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same beat, it's just plug and play. But it wasn't

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plug and play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things were much less computerized back then.

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Speaker 2: They thought they were in trouble. Yeah, so before I

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leave the Boss Gags thing, Okay, he turned down the

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opportunity to have low Down on the soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: They were actually hoping to put it in another disco

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movie that ultimately didn't pan out. Estimated costing five million dollars.

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What five million bucks is.

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Speaker 1: What he could have made had he left it.

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Speaker 2: In there, if it had been on the soundtrack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow, we're going to get into the soundtrack next week.

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But gosh, it was the biggest selling soundtrack of all

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time until The Bodyguard overtook it in ninety two. But

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it was the best selling album of all time until

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Thriller overtook it.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I want to talk about is

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the dancing scene. So John Tavolda we talked about how

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he would have worked three hours a day. I cracked up, laughing,

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I can't dance. But John Tavilda said, I would dance

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for three hours and I'd run two miles a day. Mike, Well,

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the three hours is impressive, two miles not so much.

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He lost twenty pounds and actually when you look at

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his audition tape, you can tell he lost He trimmed up, right,

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He slimmed up. So he goes to watch the premiere

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and when he watches it, He's like, where's my dance

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and scene? I worked for nine months dancing every single

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day and it's all close up. She can't see my feet.

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So he got really mad. He's like, this is bull crap.

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I worked freaking hard and you can't see my feet.

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Are you kidding me? Nobody's gonna buy this, So he

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called the producer, called Robert Stigman, and Robert Stigman said, listen,

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here's the deal. I will let you choose which scenes

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you want and which angles you want the directors in

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the editing room right now, you know more about this

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than I do. Go to the editing room, sit down

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with them, and choose your scenes. So essentially, he gave

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him final approval on all the scenes. So when he

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shows up in the editing room, the director is like, say, what,

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you're gonna tell me what to put in this movie?

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So they're really mad and Jodge Villas, Look, I'm not

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gonna take up your time. Here's what I'm gonna tell you.

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I want full by. I want head to toe coverage

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until I point the finger, then you can go close

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up everything else. I want to see everything on the

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dance floor. That's the difference. Yeah, we believe he can

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dance because we can see it.

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Speaker 1: The scene would have lost all meaning had it been

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in a close up. The entire time, John Travolta was

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one hundred percent right, stay on the main shot until

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I point and move, go to a medium shot for that,

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and then go back to the main shot to That's

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all you have to do, not hard.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. He So he's shooting Greece

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at the time they're editing this, right, he invites the

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Grease people with him, okay, and that's when he's sitting

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there and he's like, this is bull crap. You guys

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don't understand. I've been dancing for nine months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And they're like this is great, and he's like, I'm

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freaking getting a piece of somebody tomorrow, right.

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Speaker 1: Robert Stegman also produced Grease, By the way, is that right? Yeah?

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I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: That's why freaking the Beegi's are on the Grease soundtrack.

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Of course, it makes sense now, it all makes sense. Wow, Okay,

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I got something. This cracked me up, all right. Huh

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So the iconic pose of John Travolta in the white

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suit with us out and the one arm pointed in

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the air, right, It's on the freaking soundtrack, It's on

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the movie cover, it was on posters, it was everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not in the movie. It's not in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Waiting for that, I'm like, where's the scene from Airplane?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? I was just getting ready to say, you know

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what movie it is in Airplane? Yep, but that finger

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pointing thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This happened at the end of a fourteen hour day

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and the photographer said to John Travolti. He's like, okay,

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I need a couple of pictures. He's liked, dude, I'm

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so tired. I just want to go home and go

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to bed. And he's like, no, no, no, just a

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few more minutes. Let's just take some pictures while you're

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all dressed up and stuff. So you picture, pitch your picture,

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picture my trip. And he's like, all right, all right,

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you have anything else that you can do. He's like, well,

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how about this coun And he thought next thing? You know,

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that pose is everywhere and he's like, I can't believe

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that's the one that they chose. Yeah, in credible right, yep.

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Let's talk about the bridge scene. For a second.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's bring the music and the lights down a

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little bit, shall we.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh my gosh, I mean this movie is kind

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of a bummer, right, kind of kind of a bummer,

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kind of a bummer, yes, yes, and the Holocaust also

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kind of. So for whatever reason, these morons decided to

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pull the car over on the bridge and they're dancing

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around on the dirtors and they're taking their lives in

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their own hand. But while they were shooting, Donna Pesco

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is watching them, and there's that scene where it's kind

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of a fake fall, right. They're all jump and like

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ah yeah, and she's like ah, she freaks out. They

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played a trick on her. She thought they had actually

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fallen off.

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Speaker 1: Her reaction is genuine legit wow, because it's terrified when

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she's like that was real, that wasn't scripted.

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Speaker 2: Nice, that's not cool.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not cool, but freaking not cool. Yeah. I

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thought you're going to talk about the next bridge scene

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where he does actually fall right after she gets gang

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raped in the back.

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Speaker 2: Of the car. What in the world is going on

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at the end of Saturday Night Fever. It's like they

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kiss you and then they kick you. In the nuts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know that. I'd call it a

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good kiss, right, Right, It's like it's like they showed

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you a pretty picture and then they kick you in

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the nuts. That's true, and then they kicked you in

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the nuts again. They kind of build up I mean, what.

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Speaker 2: We're kind of getting in judgment here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't care. We're talking about the movie. We're

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talking about how it come out. So you've got this

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seemingly horrible human being, right, Yes, he's racist, he's sexist,

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he is a crap employee. I mean, he's he cares

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about nothing but himself, right, yes. And the only thing

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he's good at is dancing. Yes, and he only uses

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that as a way to show off and to get chicks.

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I mean that's it. Yes, And so you think, oh, hey,

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he's gonna win the dance competition at the end and

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it's gonna be redeeming. Except yeah, he wins it, but

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then he gives the prize away and says it's not

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real and then goes tries to rape a girl in

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the back that's supposed to be the love interest.

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Speaker 2: What the heck. I'm totally with you, man, because I'm

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watching I'm like, Hey, they won, and they steal every

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ounce of joy out of that victory because he's acting

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like a total jerk after they won.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if the message is supposed to be, hey, guys,

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if you're about the mead generation and the me decade

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of the seventies, this is what a douchebag you look like.

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Then they succeeded. I cannot figure out how this is

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Gene Siskel's favorite movie of all time.

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Speaker 2: Kenn either can either imagine the movie The Karate Kid.

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Daniel LaRusso kicks Johnny Lawrence in a face to win

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the Hill Valley Karate Championships, and then he turns to movies,

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and then he turns into a brat at the end

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and breaks his trophy and says, this is stupid. I quit,

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and then.

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Speaker 1: Has a friend go killing and then treats the one

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redeeming character in the whole movie like crap until she

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gives herself up after taking numerous drugs and then gets raped.

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Speaker 2: It's just this movie is profane, it is racist, it

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is sexist.

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Speaker 1: It's homophobic, it is it's just bad all over the place. Obviously,

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you can see how we feel about the movie. We

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we kind of tipped our hand a little early on this.

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But it's iconic, and I can't figure out how it's

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iconic other than this is why I said this on

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the last episode. The music and it captured a moment

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in time.

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Speaker 2: It really did. Yeah, and I'm with you. The music

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is so massive to the success of this movie. Ye,

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except Gene Siskel, this is his all time favorite movie.

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Speaker 1: He bought the suit. He bought the White Points.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and forty five thousand dollars for the suit.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. It is iconic and you had

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to maybe you had to be in New York City

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in the seventies to really but I mean it's it

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was worldwide. I don't Yeah, Okay, keep going.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen to this, the part where Annette comes up

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to Tony and says, guess what good news? Handful of condoms?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you think this poor girl is so desperate, so lonely,

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and then Tony just crushes her. You are not even

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worthy to consider. I mean, I just feel terrible for

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this girl the entire and then she's gang raped in

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the back of the car where they're driving around. It's gosh, okay,

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and then you have the ridiculous bridge scene where.

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Speaker 1: The other guy who you at least feel sorry for,

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he's kind of the runt of the group. Yeah, and

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he's a coward and he gets fed up with nobody

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listening or caring about him. And the freaking the fight

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scene they go to this they wrecked the car, they

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go through this mask. I'm like, well, at least they

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stand up for their buddy. And then they go and

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see the buddy. He's like, well, yeah, it might have

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been that. They're like, what do you mean might have

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been He's like, well, that's what I said. I thought

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it was because you said that you thought it was that,

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And it's like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I met like I thought, I wasn't sure what

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they Still all the joy from that scene.

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Speaker 1: Is every time there was some kind of redeeming thing

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going on, they yanked the rug right out from under you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm glad that you feel that way. Have

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you ever seen the movie Staying Alive?

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Speaker 1: I have. I don't recall it. It's been thirty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Entertainment Weekly named it the worst sequel of all time.

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Now we're getting ready to do Superman four this summer. Yeah,

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and Josh four. Yeah, and I talked about Crystal School.

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We might have something to say about that, right, The

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gang fight, the gang rape, the bridge death.

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Speaker 1: And then what's the end of the movie. What is

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the end? Like he watches his friend kill himself and

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his long night of self reflection makes him realize he

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needs to go back to the girl that he tried

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to rape and see if he can move into the

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city with her. That's his big aha moment.

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? She barely lets him in the room,

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and I don't blame her. I'd been like, screw you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she hugs him at the end. It's so bizarre.

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Speaker 2: All right, before we move on, let's go back.

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Speaker 1: To Dirty Dancing. She's on the wind too much?

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I want to talk about the filming locations

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of Dirty Dancer really quick, OA, because it's supposed to

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be the Catskills in New York. Yeah, they actually filmed

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it mostly in North Carolina and Virginia. Yep, it's kind

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of right on the edge of both states. Yeah, they

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found a hotel in both of the places that was

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the right fit. But obviously they're not the same style.

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00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:58,200
They're in two different states, So do you know what

470
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,680
their magic ingredient was for making you feel like you're

471
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,960
in the same place. Now, what the posts and the lights.

472
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:06,480
If you'll notice when you watch the movie, people who

473
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,759
are listening to this podcast, check it out the next

474
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,519
time you watch the film. They're white posts with little

475
00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:13,640
lamps on top of them all over the place.

476
00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:17,319
Speaker 1: Okay, all they did was put them up in Virginia

477
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,519
when they packed up and left, they took him and

478
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:21,839
even though it's a completely different place, you felt like

479
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,519
it was the same place because it had the same

480
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:24,799
posts and lamps.

481
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: That's fascinating.

482
00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: Kicks them over. He kicks it over at one point,

483
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,000
kicks over the post and the lamp so that he

484
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,319
can break through the window of the car. Yeah, I do.

485
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,519
That was the key to making them appear to be

486
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:34,200
the same location.

487
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: That's interesting. They did a good job with that.

488
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:36,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

489
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,079
Speaker 2: Now that scene you're right there you're referring to, yeah,

490
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,960
is stupid because it's like, Okay, it's raining. Patrick Swayze

491
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:46,799
is like, let's get out of here. He goes to

492
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,599
his car and he's like, crap, I locked my keys

493
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,640
in the car. And when I first watched it, I'm like,

494
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,640
I think he's stealing this car. I don't think this

495
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,039
car belongs to him. But he gets pissed and he

496
00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:01,279
takes his post and he smashes the window. Maybe check

497
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:04,400
your pockets. You got a replacement key instead of bashing

498
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,400
out the window a little?

499
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,079
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you see the keys in there,

500
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,119
they're definitely in there. But yeah, I mean, get a

501
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,799
coat hanger. I mean, is this we're talking about a

502
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,880
fifties car. It wasn't like it had theft prevention on it.

503
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,279
Get a coat hanger. Pull the lock up. Go ahead.

504
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,079
Speaker 2: I've locked my keys in my car many times.

505
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: How many times have you smashed the window?

506
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: About zero?

507
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:20,599
Speaker 3: All right?

508
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,279
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the thing about the location I want

509
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,400
to talk about. Okay, So Lake Lure, North Carolina. The

510
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,200
Mountain Lake Hotel was very near Pembroke, Virginia. Okay, So

511
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,519
the lake, the beautiful lake setting of dirty dancing. This

512
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:37,119
is a place I want to go. I want to

513
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,200
go and fish and golf and hang out. No, really

514
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,039
want to dance, but I want to go. This place

515
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:42,440
looks gorgeous and beautiful.

516
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:42,799
Speaker 1: Okay.

517
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,599
Speaker 2: So ever since two thousand and three, okay, that lake

518
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,640
has been dry.

519
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I saw that it was had

520
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,599
completely dried up.

521
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: It's like heartbreaking, right, Yeah, it's something natural about this lake.

522
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,480
It goes away and then it comes back. What it

523
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,359
goes away and it comes back. I'm not a geologist,

524
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:04,200
but here's the thing I saw.

525
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: Sorry, keep going. I'm not a geologist.

526
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm not a geologist, but I do have an opinion.

527
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't wait.

528
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to report the lake is coming back.

529
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,880
Oh wow, I saw a video of a girl who

530
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,839
had visited during the pandemic last summer. Yeah, and it's not.

531
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: What it was.

532
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: But the lake is coming back. Wow, it's restoring.

533
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:36,319
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

534
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: So nineteen years later, Yeah, it's coming back.

535
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: So crazy. I wonder how that works. I don't Maybe

536
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,160
we should ask a geologist.

537
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,079
Speaker 2: Speaking of that lake, there's a famous scene in the

538
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:51,839
movie where they're working on the lift.

539
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

540
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So they started filming Dirty Dancing September fifth, nineteen

541
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:03,279
eighty six. They wrapped production in October twenty eighth. Well,

542
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,279
this is one of the last scenes shot in the movie.

543
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:07,960
In fact, it was cold, the weather was cold, and

544
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,359
the water was cold. And in fact, if you look

545
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,200
Jennifer Gray's lips are actually blue.

546
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,079
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at her lips, but I could still

547
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,039
tell it was cold.

548
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Winter. That scene was of course shot in that lake

549
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:29,640
that has eventually gone away, and there were indications that yes,

550
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,400
she was cold.

551
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeap. So on that topic, during the love making scenes, yeah,

552
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,519
she did have nudity in those scenes.

553
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:41,079
Speaker 2: This blows me away. Keep going.

554
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,319
Speaker 1: So she comes back later on and says, do we

555
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,480
really need the nude scenes in there? Is there any

556
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,440
way that we can get rid of those? And who

557
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:55,759
she Jennifer Gray, okay, And the producer is like, well, yeah,

558
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:58,000
I don't know. I mean, let's talk to a Meal

559
00:26:58,039 --> 00:26:59,559
about it and then let's see what he thinks. And

560
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,119
a Meal like, I think it might be better without them,

561
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:08,319
because without the nude scenes, she maintained that purity, that youth.

562
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,599
I mean, obviously this is a girl who is becoming

563
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,680
a woman. Yes, but I think that to have that,

564
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,559
to have the nude scenes in the love making part

565
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:19,880
of the movie would have taken away from it. And

566
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,440
I think it was the perfect choice to take it out.

567
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree with you. Yeah, Baby is

568
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,640
supposed to be seventeen, the character's age of seventeen. Yeah,

569
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,559
when you remove the nudity, it does allow that sort

570
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:35,319
of innocence to maintain. You do kind of see her

571
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,200
bare back, you can tell that they've had sex, that

572
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,720
you can tell she has not remained pure, but it

573
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:43,039
does allow for that kind.

574
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: Of it's more of a beautiful love making thing, that's right.

575
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And I love the fact, unlike Saturday

576
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,680
Night Fever, where all those guys care about it getting

577
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,480
laid the entire time, Johnny is not really interested in that.

578
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,200
It just kind of their relationship develops and goes to

579
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,799
the next level and it just happens rather than chasing

580
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:04,880
her the whole movie. So I think it's interesting that

581
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,039
Johnny's character and Penny's character had a relationship they have

582
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,079
sort of since outgrown. Yeah, one of the things we

583
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,640
need to talk about the fact that Penny gets pregnant

584
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,880
by Robbie.

585
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

586
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: You know that almost forty percent of the people who

587
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:20,640
viewed this when they came out of the movie theater

588
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,559
did not realize that there was a subplot involving abortion.

589
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: It's impressive and important because they were targeting, you know,

590
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,559
fourteen year old girls like that was that was the

591
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,960
target demographic for this movie, right yep. So it got

592
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,839
an R rating and they're like, crap, that ruins everything.

593
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,519
And so Linda Gottlieb called up her friend was the

594
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,960
MPAA director. He's like, what needs to go Listen if

595
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,279
I take out two and three minutes we Puvedichi and

596
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:54,400
he's like, yeah, you can do that, and so they

597
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,759
took it out, and they guess taken out the nudity.

598
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,000
So that's not a problem either, although in the eighties

599
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,720
nudity was less of a problem. The f bomps right,

600
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:06,200
but the abortion part was still a problem because the

601
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:10,240
company that was sponsoring the movie, the distribution of the

602
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,599
movie was Clear, a cell.

603
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: A product for teenagers, a.

604
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,799
Speaker 1: Pimple product for teenagers. They were going to put a

605
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,200
clear cell bottle picture on every poster.

606
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: Really, yes, And.

607
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: So then clearsil watches the movie and they're like, wait

608
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,599
a minute, wait the abortion? What?

609
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: What? What?

610
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,759
Speaker 1: And so they contact the producers, one of which is

611
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,200
the woman who wrote the movie, and they say, can

612
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,759
you take out the abortion part? And she says, if

613
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,799
the abortion is gone, there's no reason for her to

614
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,599
dance with Johnny, there's no reason for her to have

615
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,920
this close contact with them all the time. There's no

616
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,640
reason you lose the entire thing if you take that out, Like, yeah,

617
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440
I guess so. So they lost clear sell As as

618
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,799
a sponsor. Wow, Cynthia Rhodes says. At some point as

619
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:58,599
they're filming, as they're in production, goes to Eleanor Bergstein

620
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,200
and says, I feel like my character needs to explain

621
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,759
why what happened happened? Okay, and Eleanor says, I think

622
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,640
you're right, and goes and writes the scene. That was

623
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,920
Cynthia Rhodes's idea that she should explain, Hey, here's what happened,

624
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,960
and here's why it happened. Thought I was in love? Yeah. Yeah.

625
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: Robbie's such a turd.

626
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,039
Speaker 1: He is a total hate Robbie.

627
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: Well, Robbie could hang out with the guys from Saturday

628
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:19,720
Night Fever.

629
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: He really can't.

630
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: So the abortion is vital to the plot of the

631
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,480
movie because if there's no abortion, there's no reason for

632
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,039
Penny to miss the dance, and therefore Jennifer Gray doesn't

633
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,359
have to step in. I get all that. What I

634
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,559
don't get is, could you not read schedule for a

635
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,279
different day if it's that important? I mean they talk

636
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,359
about how they have to do this dance so they

637
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,680
can have the money and all that is. I mean,

638
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:47,440
it's a back alley doctor, I get it. But it's

639
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,279
illegal at that point. Well, that's true.

640
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: So to find the guy that's going to do it,

641
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,200
that's going to be in the neighborhood is probably pretty tricky,

642
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,799
that's true. Okay, So this movie starts off with no

643
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,440
not baby, but it's the opening credits and it's black

644
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,079
and white footage of people dirty dancing.

645
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:07,839
Speaker 2: Right.

646
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,119
Speaker 1: It gives it away right out of the gate. Hey,

647
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,200
here's what dirty dancing is gonna be. And it seems

648
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,000
like maybe that would be something that you wanted to

649
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,240
save until later. But because they had this target audience

650
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,720
of pre teenagers or teenagers that they were hoping to get,

651
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,240
they put that scene first to kind of give them, hey,

652
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,640
heads up, Hey, there's what's going to be coming later

653
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,960
on the dirty dancing part, right, And then we're going

654
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,759
to move from that into the real opening scene of

655
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,359
the movie where she narrates a little bit as she's

656
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,319
reading this book. Interesting, Okay, the name of the book

657
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,759
is The Plight of the Peasant. Okay, when I listened

658
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,720
to the commentary, Eleanor Bergstein made a point of pointing

659
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,200
that out and said nothing else about it. There's no

660
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:51,839
such book. It is a book that appears to have

661
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,039
been made just for the movie, but for some reason

662
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,279
she wanted to point it out and then not explain it.

663
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,680
I don't get it. There is no book called Plight

664
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,440
of the Peasant. Now, this movie is very much about

665
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:05,640
classes and the separation between them, and so maybe that

666
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,839
plays into it a little bit.

667
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: But it's just.

668
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,359
Speaker 1: Weird to me that not only are they going to

669
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,720
put a prop titled book in there, but she's going

670
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:13,599
to point it out on the commentary and then not

671
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,000
explain it. I don't get it.

672
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,079
Speaker 2: That is weird. Yeah, let's talk about the dirty dancing scene.

673
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:20,079
We can't really talk about dirty dancing without talking about

674
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:21,160
the dirty dancing scene.

675
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I do want to note before we

676
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,279
get to that, the music changes. Right when you hit

677
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,680
that scene. You've got a different kind of music, a

678
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480
different style of music than you had leading up to

679
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:32,200
that scene.

680
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was deliberate.

681
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: She wanted clean music up until that point, and then

682
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,079
when she hits the dirty music, that is where Baby

683
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:40,839
finds her rhythm.

684
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Okay, she's gone on a walk. She's wandered into the

685
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:47,960
area where the staff stays. Yep, clearly they're having a party.

686
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,799
She carried a watermelon. Guys of Karens trying to carry

687
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,519
three gigantic watermelons, so she helps him out. She has

688
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,720
crossed over rights, a little threshold. She crosses the threshold. Yeah,

689
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,200
that staircase, by the way, is in North Carolina. Okay,

690
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,359
on private property now in case she wanted to go

691
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,559
see it. Oh wow, okay, especially permission to go there.

692
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,559
But when she enters, it's like Dorothy going to Oz.

693
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,759
It is you open the door, her eyes are opened.

694
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,839
What is going on here? Dirty dancing and they're having

695
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,000
a blast and all that crappy little waltzon and stuff

696
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,640
that I've been doing with my parents and stuff. I

697
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,039
don't want to do that. I want to do this.

698
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: So the scene, that dirty dancing scene where she pops

699
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,759
in and it's like the Wizard of Oz doors opening. Yes,

700
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,079
they only had three days to shoot that scene. And

701
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:39,000
after shooting for two days, they watched the footage. Eleanor

702
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:42,680
Bergstein watches the footage and she's like, this is the

703
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,599
most important scene in the movie. And they didn't get it, okay,

704
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,240
they didn't get it right, okay, and so they've only

705
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160
got one day left. They don't have enough money to

706
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,079
keep on going. Like there's she thinks it's ruined, like

707
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,480
the movie is ruined. She stays up the entire night crying.

708
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,440
She gets up the next morning, has her assistant helper

709
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,839
like put ice on her eye so they don't seem

710
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,840
all red. She goes in and a Meal immediately is like, okay,

711
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,679
what's wrong, What's what's going on? What's happened? And she's like,

712
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,239
I just we didn't get it. We didn't. It's not right.

713
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,159
It doesn't wow me, it doesn't pop like it needs

714
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,559
to pop. And Emil says, give me the day and

715
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,559
I will make it. And it was that last day.

716
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,719
It was that third day, okay. Took those dancers and said, yep, okay,

717
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,880
we're gonna do this. We're gonna shoot it differently, and

718
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,679
that's what we get. And that's the scene that makes

719
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,000
that crucial part of.

720
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,079
Speaker 2: The movie app Absolutely. It has to change baby's life, right, Yeah,

721
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,400
she's got to see it. She's in oz now, she's

722
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,039
changed forever forever. Yes, all right, do you let's take

723
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:41,760
a quick break and just hear from our friends at

724
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,039
Vintage Video Pod.

725
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: On the Vintage Video Podcast, we'll be reviewing every single

726
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,480
wide release of the nineteen eighties in chronological order, over

727
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,280
two hundred and fifty episodes to enjoy and thousands more

728
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,320
to come. Sean enters the store now to order another

729
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,519
can of ether. I picture him outside like Homer with

730
00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:58,519
the gas a halt when.

731
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: For you win for me?

732
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,159
Speaker 4: I also like to think about that the kids renew

733
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,000
their vow not to talk about the murder. They're taking

734
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,480
a blood open with someone else's blood.

735
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: The stuff is seven times more powerful than uranium.

736
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: Hey, they open up the vault that it's contained and

737
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,800
not wearing any kind of protective gear, and it's wooden Crates,

738
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,840
Wooden Crates. It's like the guys in Chernobyl picking up

739
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,800
the graphite rocks, Yeah, and going because there's rocks hugging

740
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,599
the elephant foot. It's just like, oh, this thing's smooth,

741
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,480
it's so warm. He turns to dial the number from

742
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,440
the classified AD without even thinking about the numbers. We

743
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,559
know this because we can hear his thoughts, and he's

744
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,880
talking about how A J was right that ninjas are

745
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,360
misdirecting him. I really wish they'd turn to the fun

746
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,159
of men, Like six six five Vintage Video we're rewatching

747
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:43,880
the eighties, so you don't have to love it.

748
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: Definitely go subscribe to that podcast.

749
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 2: They're great fun. They do kind of what we do

750
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,280
over there. Check them out Vintage Video Pod.

751
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: There were three different types of music, and therefore three

752
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,239
different types of dance that they used. You had the

753
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,000
dirty dancing dancing that what that represented the low class,

754
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:05,000
the peasants, if you will. And then you had the

755
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,719
kind of foxtrot of all the old people up in

756
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,760
the gazebo that was being led by Penny, and that

757
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,840
was the rich class music. And then you had the

758
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,199
tango scene between Johnny and Penny in front of everybody else,

759
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,679
and that was kind of the we're trying to make it,

760
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,000
you know, we're trying to get out of one class

761
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,119
and into another class, and we're driven and passionate, and

762
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,280
that's those are your three classes of dance.

763
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: That seems interesting to me because Johnny and Penny are

764
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,360
killing it and mister Kellerman gives them the dirty look,

765
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:36,480
they have to knock it off.

766
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to slow it down and start dancing

767
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,000
with the other folks. And here I want to point

768
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,800
this out. We didn't mention last time when we were

769
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,360
talking about casting. Max Kellerman, the owner of the hotel,

770
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,199
is played by Jack Weston. Yes, and Eleanor is you know,

771
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,800
before they've started production. Eleanor is walking by him and

772
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,280
he's running over his lines, and he's doing it in

773
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,960
this kind of weird sing songy voice and trying to

774
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:01,639
find the character, you know, and she stops and she says, Jack,

775
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,119
Max is the king of the hotel. The hotel is

776
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,400
his kingdom, and he is the king. And so Jack

777
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,000
is like, okay, I had a bow tie on. He leaves,

778
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,840
he comes back, no bow tie, He's got a straight tie.

779
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Now this is the bow tie made me look too comic.

780
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,920
I want the straight tie. And if you watch it,

781
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,840
think it. If you like look at this guy and

782
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,920
you say that guy thinks he's the king, you're right.

783
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,119
That's exactly what's going on.

784
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,559
Speaker 2: That's that's great man.

785
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,199
Speaker 1: His son, Neil Kellerman is the character. Lonnie Price is

786
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,480
the guy who plays this character. So here's my story.

787
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:31,639
Speaker 2: Here.

788
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: After they had come out with the movie, it's playing

789
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,280
in various theaters. They're getting a feel for how it's doing,

790
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,840
and Eleanor talks to Lannie on the phone and she's like, so,

791
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:43,880
you know what other theaters have you seen it in

792
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,480
since we saw it together. And he's like, oh, I

793
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,280
haven't gone to see it anywhere else, and she's like, oh,

794
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,159
you should. There are different reactions for different audiences. You

795
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,400
should definitely go see it. And so about a week later,

796
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,280
she calls him up. She's like, so, did you go

797
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,639
and see it in another theater? And he's like, yeah,

798
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,800
I did, and she's like, well, what's wrong. He says, well,

799
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:03,320
there were these girls that were sitting in front of me,

800
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,559
and whenever I had my line, there's just some things

801
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:08,519
you don't want to see the girl in front of me.

802
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:16,639
Yielled Yeah, like your face, poor guy, poor loney price.

803
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to talk about the line nobody puts

804
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,679
baby in a corner.

805
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: Okay, nobody puts baby in the corner.

806
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: That line. Patrick Swayzey dug his heels in and said,

807
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,039
I am not freaking saying that it's ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

808
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: And it's not as though Eleanor Bergstein was tied to

809
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440
the line either. She was like it's just the line,

810
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,480
you know, no big deal.

811
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:43,039
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because it is so iconic.

812
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,559
Speaker 1: It's it's maybe more famous than the movie itself. People

813
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:50,280
will know nobody puts Baby in the corner and not

814
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,679
know that it comes from Dirty Dancing.

815
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,679
Speaker 2: And Patrick Swayze is like, I'm not freaking saying this.

816
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,239
It's stupid.

817
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense either. She's not really in

818
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,480
a corner. She's next to a pillar. She's sitting at

819
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,480
the table with her family. Nobody puts baby at a

820
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:06,039
table with her parents. I yeah, I My only thought

821
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,719
is that because it seems slightly out of character, and

822
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,840
also because it's like him kind of rescueing her back.

823
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,239
I mean, when they part ways, you know, and he

824
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,360
drives off on the gravel road and kicks up those rocks,

825
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,920
you think the movie might be over right, right, and

826
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,719
this is just one of those movies where she had

827
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,920
a summer experience and grew as a woman, and that's it, right.

828
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:30,719
That comeback scene is like, oh wow.

829
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,039
Speaker 2: Yes, we got to talk about that scene. The finale

830
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,119
of Dirty Dancing, when Patrick Swayze it comes back storms

831
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,239
the stage and says, I always get the last dance

832
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,519
of the summer. He's already been fired. Get out of here,

833
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,519
see ya, Yeah, he says, nope, I'm coming back. It's

834
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,159
almost like the end of Officer and a Gentleman. He

835
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,639
kicks in the door. I'm here to get my woman

836
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,440
and do our dance right right, and I'm sorry. I

837
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,079
don't care how masculine you are. You are soul dead

838
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,920
if the lift doesn't make you a little bit misty

839
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,440
where you're like, all right, it's freaking off. Yeah, absolutely,

840
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,559
so they come back. He shows up, He cues the

841
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,400
guy with the record, All the other dancers start dancing

842
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,079
in line. He does this massive jump off the stage.

843
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,639
Of course, the song is incredible. I've had the time

844
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:16,880
of my life. And the lift scene that's so famous.

845
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,880
Jennifer Gray said they did it one time and she

846
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:20,800
hasn't done it since.

847
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: It is a way to bring it home like I

848
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,360
wanted to happen in Zaturday Night Fever that I did not.

849
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: I got kicked in the nuts.

850
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, my ninth grade girlfriend would have married

851
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:47,639
me on the spot if I could have pulled off

852
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,440
the lift right. And the song's great and everybody's dancing.

853
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,440
Kelly Bishop, who plays her mother, says, I think she

854
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,920
gets that from me. That's a nod to her because

855
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,079
she was in the original cast of.

856
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: The course line.

857
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a dancer, she's a dancer. Yeah, we've already said.

858
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,920
I mean, women just love this movie because it's from

859
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960
a woman's point of view and Johnny takes the time

860
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,639
to teach her how to dance and brings her into

861
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:13,639
his world and rescues her from the safety of her parents.

862
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,599
And this movie just appeals across the board to women. Yeah,

863
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,119
it appeals to me. I love it.

864
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: So of course you see the same dirty dancers all

865
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,679
the time, right, yes, And these are all actors who

866
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,000
didn't know each other before. They came to the set

867
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,199
and started pumping and grinding on each other like they

868
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,280
knew each other a long time. So they to make

869
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,360
the girls more comfortable, they told all of the guy dancers.

870
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,159
They're like, listen, here's the rule. You can't make any

871
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,639
kind of phone calls or contacts with any of these

872
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:45,280
girls until six months after the movie. Like that's the rule. Okay, Well,

873
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,960
there's no freaking way they can enforce them. I mean

874
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,119
what I mean, they're already there. They were already going

875
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,000
to hire what are you going to do get the

876
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,679
money back? No, it's not going to happen, right, she says.

877
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,320
So then they start dancing. They're shooting all these scenes,

878
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,400
and at some point the guys come back up to

879
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,159
her and they're like, okay, so do you mean six

880
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:04,199
months from when the film wraps or six months from

881
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:05,440
when the movie is released.

882
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: He's like, there's no sweet.

883
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: They're trying to do exactly what I said, but they

884
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,800
definitely wanted to call those girls.

885
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,679
Speaker 2: It's kind of like when the camp counselor tells you

886
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,559
not to go over to the girls area at summer camp.

887
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

888
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that everybody followed the rules, but at

889
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,440
least they tried.

890
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So two interesting little cameos that happened in

891
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:29,000
Dirty Dancing. Okay, okay. Eleanor Bergstein, the writer. Yes, you

892
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,480
can see her for just a split second, just as

893
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,199
Baby comes running up to get Johnny. He's dancing with

894
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,039
this woman. The woman that he's dancing with is Eleanor Bergstein.

895
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:42,920
When they filmed it, the dancing part was much longer

896
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,679
and she had much more time on film. But when

897
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,480
they started editing, she gets a call from a meal

898
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:50,920
and He's like, listen, I'm really sorry, and I won't

899
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,440
do it if you don't want me to, but we

900
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:53,840
really need to just get rid of this part of

901
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,159
the scene.

902
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:54,639
Speaker 3: You need to get it.

903
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: She's like, do what you need to do, do what

904
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,119
you need to do. Uh huh. But then whenever they

905
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:01,000
would go to the movie afterwards, every time that scene

906
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:02,800
came up and she was with him, he would go,

907
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,440
who is that wonderful woman?

908
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: Why can't we see more fun?

909
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: That's good?

910
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know she wanted to hire doctor Ruth Westheimer

911
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,480
to play a part in this movie.

912
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: That funny, doctor doctor Ruth.

913
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:20,039
Speaker 2: Yes. The character that she wanted her to play was

914
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,840
Missus Schumacher, the thief. Okay, and doctor Ruth was like,

915
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,480
what she's a thief? No, I cannot Yeah, that's funny,

916
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,000
that's funny. Let's slip back to Saturday Night Fever and

917
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:42,519
talk reception. So we talked about how the seventies were

918
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:46,519
depressing really until Disco showed up. Right, Disco reminds people

919
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,440
that Saturday night is for having fun.

920
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

921
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,039
Speaker 2: Well, Paramount knew that they had good music, but they

922
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,760
didn't believe in this project at all. Okay, And to

923
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,920
say that they didn't believe in it is an understate.

924
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,599
Speaker 1: Okay.

925
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,039
Speaker 2: We talked about how this movie has profanity, it has racism,

926
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,159
it has rape, it has drugs, and there was also

927
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,920
that anti disco sentiment out there, right, disco sucks. Well

928
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,719
when they go to the premiere, they have it at

929
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,199
the man Chinese Theater. So at the premiere you had

930
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,239
Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams Lavernon, Charley Laverne, Shirley Shamiel Schmankle.

931
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,519
You had John Ritter and Suzanne Summers.

932
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: Yep.

933
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,639
Speaker 2: You had Hugh Hefner, Okay, you had Peter Frampton. Yeah,

934
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,559
and of course Ernest borgnine, Well sure, why not. I

935
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,199
mean he was about to be Vito Corleone except that

936
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:31,400
he wasn't, except that he didn't get that part right. Anyway,

937
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,480
it was just fun. Diana Shore was there interviewing John Travolta.

938
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,559
It is very seventies event. It was a lot of

939
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:39,519
fun to see these old celebrities. The movie made more

940
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:45,119
than two hundred and eighty five million dollars and revitalized disco.

941
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,199
It was a pop culture nuclear bomb. Yeah.

942
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: I was waiting for it.

943
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: It was I mean, it's not an exaggeration, and it

944
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:58,039
brought disco right back front and center for the next

945
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,800
few years. Yeah, absolutely, until disc Go Sucks Night at

946
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,719
the Shadow of White Sox Game seventy nine. Death of

947
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,559
Disco and then the soundtrack that comes with it was hugely,

948
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,840
immensely popular. Yep, I was telling you, and I don't

949
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,280
want to give too much away because we'll talk about

950
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,320
the soundtrack next week, but it's some of the earliest

951
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,119
songs I remember from my childhood.

952
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't put disco duck on there. Apparently at

953
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,639
one scene he danced a disco duck, but they then

954
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,119
put it on.

955
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: There was a disco Star Wars song, the John Williams

956
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,159
Star Wars theme Disco.

957
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, disco was big, Yes, it was okay, So reception

958
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,000
on Dirty Dancing, Yes. First they want to show the

959
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,519
film to the vestaurant people, right, yep. But honestly, none

960
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:39,519
of them have any significant movie producing experience. So they

961
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,000
call up this guy that they know named Aaron Russo.

962
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,360
Aaron Russo was a producer on Trading Places. He was

963
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,119
producer on The Rose with Bette Midler, and so they

964
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,639
bring him in to give his opinion on the movie,

965
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,800
and so they're all sitting there watching, and they're really

966
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,079
kind of watching him watch the movie, right, yeah, sure,

967
00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:00,440
and they're thinking, okay, that's going on, yeah watching, yeah yeah.

968
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,440
And so they get done. He turns to the board

969
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,760
and says, burn the negatives and get the insurance money.

970
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,599
Speaker 2: Such a heartbreaking story.

971
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,559
Speaker 1: And they're like, what he said, burn the negatives and

972
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,599
get the insurance money, as in, don't let anyone else

973
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,559
watch this movie. Get your whatever money you can get

974
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,719
back out of it, right now, burn the negatives.

975
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: And it's crazy. It doesn't make any sense to me.

976
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense, right.

977
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: He's solely you can't wash that lift scene and think

978
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:31,000
burn the negative.

979
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,119
Speaker 1: So they convinced the board to release it to one

980
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:36,679
theater before they make the decision on whether to release

981
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,480
it or not. Right, it's about a thousand people there

982
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,639
to watch the movie. End of the movie. Quiet for

983
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:46,679
a second, and then the crowd goes absolutely nuts and

984
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:48,960
they're like, ohh all right, well maybe this isn't as

985
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:49,920
bad as we thought it.

986
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: Was, right, Yeah, this sounds a lot like the reception

987
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,320
that Purple Rain got when they would drop it and

988
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,639
they would bring back the numbers and people were like, Nope,

989
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:57,840
don't believe it. Try again.

990
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't sure just based on this one audience

991
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:02,239
reaction that was going to do well. They thought it

992
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,440
was going to be like a weekend deal. You know,

993
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,280
it'll be out for the weekend and it won't do

994
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,920
that great and people will move on or whatever, right, right,

995
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,880
And so they come to watch it fourth night after

996
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,519
it's been released, right sure, and they're sitting in the

997
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:17,719
theater and Eleanor Burgstein is sitting with her husband. Now

998
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,920
you know that the scene is that it seems to

999
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480
be the end scene where they're seeing the Kellerman anthem

1000
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:24,840
where that Johnny comes in and interrupts with there they're

1001
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,440
all say, and it goes on for a little bit,

1002
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:28,800
quite a few words. Sure, well, her husband's the one

1003
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,960
that wrote that anthem. They're like, hey, we need a

1004
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,000
finishing anthem. He's a well regarded poet, and so they

1005
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,719
call on him. He's like, okay, I'll write the words.

1006
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,119
He writes the words to the anthem. And so they're

1007
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,440
in the theater now four days after it's been released,

1008
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,559
and that part of the movie comes on and there's

1009
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,679
this group of girls out in front who are singing

1010
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,039
a long word for word with the anthem. And so

1011
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,840
they leave the theater and Paul Michael Goldman is his name,

1012
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,239
and he's he's like, did you hear them singing my song?

1013
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:55,599
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1014
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:58,159
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, yeah, your song's really good. He goes,

1015
00:47:58,199 --> 00:47:59,719
do you know what this means? She goes, yes, I know.

1016
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,800
It means you wrote a really good song. He goes, no.

1017
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:04,960
The movie's been out for four days. They've come to

1018
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,039
see it over and over in order to memorize the

1019
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,960
words to that song. Yeah, you don't know what's about

1020
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,679
to happen, but I do. This is going to be amazing.

1021
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,440
And sure enough he was right.

1022
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: He was exactly right.

1023
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: It was a pop culture nuclear bomb.

1024
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it really was. Both of these movies were pop

1025
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,039
culture nuclear bombs. Now, the woman that I heard interviewed

1026
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:29,039
she had seen it like fifteen times in the first

1027
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:30,679
two weeks or whatever, and they're like, why do you

1028
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,360
keep coming back? We tell us why? What are we

1029
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,239
not understanding?

1030
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: She said?

1031
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: Listen, when I was young, I got pregnant, I married

1032
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,280
a guy that I didn't love, he left, I'm stuck,

1033
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,159
and here I am. I never ever had the time

1034
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:48,320
of my life, and this movie does it for me?

1035
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,800
It makes me want to like well up and cry

1036
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:51,920
here in that story.

1037
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I can't wait to talk about those songs.

1038
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:54,840
I know.

1039
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,119
Speaker 2: Right, One more quick story. Okay, So the director emil Arderlino, Yes,

1040
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,239
he tells us to sorry, I listened to the commentary.

1041
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.

1042
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: He tells a story. His mother was two weeks away

1043
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,840
from marrying a dentist. Okay, okay, and right before her wedding,

1044
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,199
she had already received all of her gifts. Church is reserved,

1045
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,159
dress has bought, everything's planned, They're ready to go. She's

1046
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,159
ready to walk down the aisle okay. And then her

1047
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:20,360
girlfriends take her out for dancing, sort of a bachelorette

1048
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,000
type of thing. She meets a guy on the dance floor,

1049
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:25,760
she falls in love, She calls off the wedding and

1050
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:27,920
never marries the dentist.

1051
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:29,199
Speaker 1: What yep?

1052
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: Okay, And he was the product of that love affair.

1053
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,960
Oh my gosh, pretty cool?

1054
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:37,679
Speaker 1: Right, wow, that's awesome.

1055
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: No word on how that marriage ended.

1056
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,679
Speaker 1: But his dad was Johnny Castle. That's exactly right, all right. Okay,

1057
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,639
So this is funny because this is making me think.

1058
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,079
So Rachel on Friends was supposed to marry Barry. Yes,

1059
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,280
and then she walks away like you should come to

1060
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,960
the very first episode, she's in the wedding dress, right,

1061
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,559
and then later on she has a friend show up

1062
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:02,360
who's going to marry Barry, and her friend is Jennifer Gray. Yes,

1063
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:05,480
and Barry is a dentist. Hey, oh my.

1064
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: Gosh, how about that.

1065
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. Okay, that's fantastic. Well, yeah, so

1066
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:14,199
emil Ardolina was a key component in this thing. He

1067
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,559
obviously dance was an important part of his upbringing. You know,

1068
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,679
it was the reason for his conception, I guess. Yeah.

1069
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:26,199
But they said that he had the ability to make you,

1070
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,000
as the audience member, feel like you were dancing. You

1071
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:32,360
saw all things through baby's eyes, and you felt like

1072
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,320
you were a part of what was going on on

1073
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,719
the dance for Key to the movie.

1074
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: Loved it. Okay, we ready for final judgment.

1075
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

1076
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,079
Speaker 2: You want me to go first? Sure, Okay, this is

1077
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,000
easy for me. I'll surprise, all right, I'll be quick,

1078
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,599
all right for me. Both of these movies are hugely

1079
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:52,760
iconic pop culture. Nuclear Bombs, It's Undeniable, Saturday Night Fever

1080
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,159
was huge in the seventies. Dirty Dancing was huge in

1081
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:59,679
the eighties. The soundtracks are massive and I can't wait

1082
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,679
to die into those. Okay, Now it comes down to

1083
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,119
me personally. I like to have fun and feel good

1084
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,920
when I'm at the movies. Okay, the last scene. Let's

1085
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,719
just take the last scene of both movies. Okay, Yeah,

1086
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,960
you have a dance contest that is spoiled by bad

1087
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:23,320
attitudes and discontentment, gang rape, and a suicide. Roll credits, right,

1088
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,559
three kicks in the balls and roll credits. At the

1089
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,639
end of Dirty Dancing, you have the hero coming back

1090
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:33,199
for the princess, rescuing her, having the dance. They play

1091
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,000
the pop song of nineteen eighty seven and he does

1092
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,039
this fantastic lift and it's all love and hugs and kisses,

1093
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:42,199
and it's everybody dancing, having a great time. It's like

1094
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,039
the end of Footloose, where you're at the problem and

1095
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,039
you're dancing, you're party and you're having a great time

1096
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,559
slamming the football down. The better movie is Dirty Dancing,

1097
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,559
unquestionably d r L.

1098
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, everybody has a right to their own opinion.

1099
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,519
It's just that your opinion is completely right. It is

1100
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:05,320
spot on right. I do not understand why Saturday Night

1101
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,840
Fever was the mega steamroller amazing success that it was.

1102
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,480
I don't understand why it's Gene Sisco's favorite movie. But

1103
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:15,679
here's the thing. I was born in the seventies. I

1104
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,880
didn't experience them to any significant degree. Nothing memorable for me.

1105
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,320
I kind of remember Disco from being a kid. But

1106
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,000
that scene is not a part of my life. And

1107
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,480
I don't know how anybody, even if it was a

1108
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,960
part of their life, could get married to what went

1109
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:33,239
on in that movie. I just don't get it. I

1110
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,760
don't get It's not a character development thing. It's literally

1111
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:42,920
nothing like there's no triumph, there's no change, there's no arc.

1112
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,559
It's just like, let's go further and further down and

1113
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,039
want nothing. I don't get with you one hundred percent.

1114
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,679
Dirty Dancing may be supposed to be a chick flick,

1115
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,239
but I love it. I'd watch it over and over again.

1116
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,519
I want the hero to win sometimes, and sometimes it's

1117
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:59,480
okay if they don't win. But if you got a

1118
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,360
movie where dancing is supposed to be about feeling good,

1119
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,039
shouldn't you have the people who watch the movie feel good.

1120
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 3: At the end.

1121
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: Isn't that the idea.

1122
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:09,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it.

1123
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:12,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is why we are both on the

1124
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,519
same page on this one. Tune in next week. We

1125
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,440
will cover Dirty Dancing the album, and then we will

1126
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,119
cover Saturday Night Fever the album, and we will compare

1127
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,280
those two and that one we may reach a different conclusion.

1128
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,559
Speaker 2: I am telling you right now, it's a different story

1129
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:27,360
with the soundtracks.

1130
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, be sure and tune in, hit that follow button,

1131
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,360
hit that subscribe button, be sure to do the five

1132
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,920
star rating in the review where you mentioned night Fever

1133
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:38,679
or carrying Watermelons, and we will see you all next week.

1134
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,039
Speaker 2: I'm ready. Let's do the lift right now. One, two

1135
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: N knock