Speaker 1: Hey, how are you come on in, have a seat.
Speaker 1: I'm heading to Turkey on the twelfth of this month
Speaker 1: of August and looking forward to two weeks of exploration.
Speaker 1: Never been to Turkey, and I'll be reporting on some
Speaker 1: of the places that we see, particularly the ancient sites
Speaker 1: of Darren Kuru, the underground city Cappadocia, and when we visit,
Speaker 1: Go Beckley Teppe, and a prime of real great interest
Speaker 1: to me and many of the people on this tour
Speaker 1: is Carahan Teppi, where there's very tall figures are that
Speaker 1: they keep finding and you know, it's strange that they
Speaker 1: have stopped excavating. Go Beckley Tappy because there's a number
Speaker 1: of different temples that are still buried I think up
Speaker 1: to around twenty two or more. But at Carahan Tapby,
Speaker 1: because it's so new, they are continually excavating and finding
Speaker 1: just amazing artifacts. And I'll be reporting on those as
Speaker 1: well as filming much of these sites with this new
Speaker 1: camera that I have that takes just amazing video, So
Speaker 1: you can look forward to that and some reporting. I'll
Speaker 1: be back on the twenty fourth of August and we'll
Speaker 1: be able to talk a little bit about the experience.
Speaker 1: So again, I've never been there, and this is a
Speaker 1: brand new addition to the Earth Ancient Tours simply because
Speaker 1: we haven't had anyone that could provide us a tour
Speaker 1: with our interest, our focus on the pre flood people,
Speaker 1: the unknown civilizations prior to our written history, and also
Speaker 1: the megalith the megalithic buildings, the megalithic sites that just
Speaker 1: litter are all over Turkey, so looking forward to that now.
Speaker 1: With that being said, today's program kind of fits into
Speaker 1: that vein when we're talking about ancient unknown civilizations. Of
Speaker 1: course Atlantis falls into that realm as well as I
Speaker 1: think the Mayan culture is very much unknown, and I'd
Speaker 1: say predynastic Egyptians fits in that area too. But today
Speaker 1: we're talking about something that is very unique. It's called
Speaker 1: the Hermitica or corpus Hermetica based on the writings of Hermes,
Speaker 1: and Hermes was a Greek god that apparently was incarnated
Speaker 1: from thought, the famous Egyptian god. And what's fascinating about
Speaker 1: this this Hermetica is it's seventeen writings or seventeen dialogues
Speaker 1: Greek dialogues that were translated in the fifteenth century by
Speaker 1: a philosopher. It was translated from Greek into Latin, and
Speaker 1: it is fascinating. It actually has not only a philosophical
Speaker 1: bent or look at what it means to be human,
Speaker 1: but it's broken into what is considered technical information, technical data,
Speaker 1: and philosophical data, and more importantly, it is actually what
Speaker 1: I consider some of the earliest philosophical thought on what
Speaker 1: it is to be a human being. And as much
Speaker 1: as I've read about it, it's something that is not
Speaker 1: well known, but it's very very likely to have come
Speaker 1: from the earlier epoch, you know. And we've had people
Speaker 1: speaking about the Yugas and what it was like to
Speaker 1: live during the Satya and Treta Yuga period over eleven
Speaker 1: thousand BC and much earlier, and what the people on
Speaker 1: earth were like then, very very god like if you
Speaker 1: can say that, or what they what we would consider
Speaker 1: demigod and people could by locate, leave their body and
Speaker 1: go to someplace else. They can manifest. And the Hermitica
Speaker 1: has a number of properties within it that are considered esoteric,
Speaker 1: and this is alchemy, astrology and would you leave magic.
Speaker 1: Magic was in use in the previous epoch what we
Speaker 1: would consider magic, and I'm beginning to wonder if this
Speaker 1: is what is thought about as manifestations, the ability to
Speaker 1: manifest what we want. Wow, what a way, what a
Speaker 1: reality that would be. And also alchemy. We think of
Speaker 1: alchemy as kind of transmuting metals from perhaps copper into gold,
Speaker 1: or coming up with elixirs and various mixtures to empower
Speaker 1: us perhaps to know more, or to treat illnesses or desires.
Speaker 1: Treat desires in other words, you want someone to you
Speaker 1: want to have a relationship with somebody, so you give
Speaker 1: them a elixer. I don't know if that's good for
Speaker 1: the other person, and how It's a lot of data
Speaker 1: within this hermitica. And my guest today is the religious
Speaker 1: scholar Adam Stokes, who has been writing about this and
Speaker 1: has given a number of talks at AR, which is
Speaker 1: the Edgar Casey Foundation in Virginia Beach, Virginia. And so
Speaker 1: we're going to learn about this today. We're going to
Speaker 1: figure out exactly how it falls in place. And I
Speaker 1: have begun to think that this is not only an
Speaker 1: important series of documents, because there's, like I said, seventeen
Speaker 1: of them, but also this is what could be the boot,
Speaker 1: the reboot that we were provided following the devastation of
Speaker 1: our planet. Remember, during the devastation the global catastrophe nine
Speaker 1: five hundred BC, eighty percent of humanity we think was
Speaker 1: wiped out, was killed. And so when that many people
Speaker 1: are extinguished, then we have to think about a reboot.
Speaker 1: And when we think about go Beckley, Teppe, Carahan Teppe
Speaker 1: and some of these other places in Turkey, these are
Speaker 1: for all purposes reboot centers where data is imparted to people. Agriculture, engineering, cosmology,
Speaker 1: all these important techniques are imparted on the survivors, the
Speaker 1: civilizations that are rebooting, that are growing again. And it
Speaker 1: seems to me that the Hermetica, and we'll learn more
Speaker 1: about it today, is not only an esoteric series of documents,
Speaker 1: but it is the again what I call the software
Speaker 1: humanity that is used to restart the survivors of this catastrophe.
Speaker 1: So the program today is called Hermes and the Hermetica.
Speaker 1: And my guest today is Adam Stokes. Hey, we're in
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Speaker 1: our continual look at the ancient past finding evidence of philosophy,
Speaker 1: technical data, perhaps even engineering schematics is really critical to
Speaker 1: learn if there are trails that have a beginning. And
Speaker 1: today we're going to look at the ancient past from
Speaker 1: some documents that have been and have been around since
Speaker 1: the time of Plato. They're called the Hermitica Corpus her Medica,
Speaker 1: and they're very unusual. In some cases they're considered esoteric,
Speaker 1: and others they are considered the voice from the ancient past.
Speaker 1: They're a collection of seventeen Greek writings from the god Hermes,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. And my guest today is Adam Stokes.
Speaker 1: We've had Adam on a couple of different times. He
Speaker 1: is a religious scholar and he studies these things we've
Speaker 1: had him on. We had him on before talking about
Speaker 1: the Michigan relics. He's the author of Relic of Babel
Speaker 1: from Egypt to Ohio and he's written a number of articles,
Speaker 1: excellent articles in Ancient American magazine. So we want to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this. And the reason that
Speaker 1: we're having Adam on today is I believe, and he
Speaker 1: believes as well, that this is the potential information from
Speaker 1: a previous epoch. In other words, This could be from
Speaker 1: the forgotten continent of Atlantis. It could have been dialogue
Speaker 1: information from sources that are the beginning of man's Homo
Speaker 1: sapien sapient journey and the ancient wisdom that comes with that.
Speaker 1: So Adam, welcome back to Earth, ancients. How you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, Cliff, great to be back.
Speaker 2: Greetings to you from the Beverly Free Library. Speaking of
Speaker 2: ancient stuff, this place goes back to nineteen twenty nine,
Speaker 2: but we have in the back here behind me some
Speaker 2: pottery shirts that go back to the time of Abraham
Speaker 2: about two thousand BCE from the ancient Near East.
Speaker 1: That's funny that you mentioned that's a library, because it's
Speaker 1: a library and i'm mini museum there is it? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: well we're connected. You can't see it from here.
Speaker 2: We're connected to the Burlington Historical Society, so they have
Speaker 2: a bunch of ancient stuff as well.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Well, Hey, this document that you want to work with,
Speaker 1: that you have been thinking about, and perhaps a book's
Speaker 1: coming out of this. The Hermitica is a very unusual document.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about your discovery of it and
Speaker 1: why you find it a fascinating subject.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, my interaction with the Hermerica goes Backcliff to about
Speaker 2: twenty years when I was in Divinity School, and my
Speaker 2: last year of Divinity School, the National Geographic Society published
Speaker 2: an edition of the Gospel of Judas. They published two editions.
Speaker 2: One was just a straight up English translation that anybody
Speaker 2: could use, and then they published this lovely critical edition
Speaker 2: of the Gospel of Judas, which was from the entire
Speaker 2: codex that the translation was taken. So it was a
Speaker 2: codex written in Coptic. And it was interesting because in
Speaker 2: addition to the Gospel of Judas, there were a bunch
Speaker 2: of other Gnostic.
Speaker 1: Texts in there.
Speaker 2: This was a codex that was used by an ancient
Speaker 2: Gnostic Christian set, the Canites, and one of the documents
Speaker 2: in there, one of the manuscripts in there was a
Speaker 2: translation from Greek Intocoptic of the Hermetica, which fascinated me.
Speaker 2: And when you look at the content of the America,
Speaker 2: you can see why Gnostic Christians would be so interested
Speaker 2: in this material. So the Hermitica has always been something
Speaker 2: that has always been in the back of my mind.
Speaker 2: I've once I learned Greek, I was able to read
Speaker 2: it in its original language. I'm working on a translation
Speaker 2: of it now that's going extremely extremely slowly. It'll eventually
Speaker 2: get there. But I was able I've read from time
Speaker 2: to time. I've really gotten into the Hermerica. And then
Speaker 2: last year I was able to present on the Hermerica
Speaker 2: for the Association for Research and Enlightenment and shout out
Speaker 2: to Greg Little.
Speaker 1: With oh Edgar Casey's Foundation. Yes, yes, okay, Now that's
Speaker 1: an interesting side view of her Medica. If you're speaking
Speaker 1: to Casey, well, we're gonna have to learn more about that.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about your feeling on the so called person
Speaker 1: that is featured, which is Hermes. Now Hermes we know
Speaker 1: is a Greek god, right, but if we go further
Speaker 1: into deep history, a lot of these figures that are
Speaker 1: considered gods to the Greeks into the Egyptians, like Osirian
Speaker 1: and Hermes and others, it's possible that they were humans,
Speaker 1: actual human beings. Talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: You get that a lot in ancient history. So, for example,
Speaker 2: to use something I'm more familiar with within biblical studies,
Speaker 2: the god el who later gets equated with the God
Speaker 2: the Old Testament, the god the Hebrew Bible was.
Speaker 1: Probably a human being.
Speaker 2: Originally he was a Canaanite king who later in later
Speaker 2: generations and with later followers, he was such a kind
Speaker 2: of a kick ass king, if I can say that,
Speaker 2: such an amazing king. Later people deified him to the
Speaker 2: status of a god. So he becomes the main god
Speaker 2: in the Cannite pantheon, and then he's appropriated by the Israelites.
Speaker 2: So whenever you have in Hebrew the term l the
Speaker 2: Israelites always understood that as referring to their god, the
Speaker 2: Hebrew God. So this happens a lot in Sumerian context.
Speaker 2: The Sumerian kings were probably human beings at one time
Speaker 2: who later followers deified. Zachariah Stitching talks a little bit
Speaker 2: about this. So this is a common trend where we
Speaker 2: have these humans. If you were a really amazing human,
Speaker 2: you were later on deified or given the status of
Speaker 2: a god. In classical studies, to use another example, many
Speaker 2: classicists believe that figures such as Achilles and Hercules were
Speaker 2: probably historical figures who themselves were later defied. Hercules deliberately
Speaker 2: explicitly gets deified. There's a whole call to him. In
Speaker 2: Greco Roman times, there's still a temple of Hercules that
Speaker 2: still remains in Greece, So this was something that commonly happened.
Speaker 2: So it's likely that that happened with Hermes as well.
Speaker 1: When we look at Greek history though, and the gods
Speaker 1: in the Greek time period, Zeus and these other individuals,
Speaker 1: are they speaking from the ancient pre Deiluvian past or
Speaker 1: even further back? Would you say?
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this is super ancient, super
Speaker 2: esoteric knowledge that goes very very very far back. We
Speaker 2: get glimpses of that. You know, even in the Biblical tradition.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things to talk about, as you
Speaker 2: well know, are the ancient giants. And when you have
Speaker 2: the giants described, for example in Genesis chapter six, they're's
Speaker 2: described as coming from this civilization, from this culture that
Speaker 2: even the Biblical author himself can't identify. So going back
Speaker 2: to kind of Hermes and the Greek gods and stuff,
Speaker 2: I think that you know, they're described, and the teachings
Speaker 2: and the sayings that are attributed to them are things
Speaker 2: that you know, can't be dated.
Speaker 1: Now we know when.
Speaker 2: These things were actually written down, So these are oral
Speaker 2: traditions that passed that passed on to people over thousands
Speaker 2: of years, over a long span of time, and were
Speaker 2: finally written down many many centuries later, but they go
Speaker 2: back to a time period that can't be specified or identified.
Speaker 1: Are there parallels? As a religious scholar, would you say
Speaker 1: there are parallels between say, the Book of Genesis and
Speaker 1: the Hermitica, where we have corresponding events, corresponding individuals that
Speaker 1: you can trace. I think in some ways. Yes, So.
Speaker 2: This idea and the Hermetica kind of picks up on it,
Speaker 2: this wisdom coming from this long loss civilization. We definitely
Speaker 2: that would definitely be a parallel with for example, Genesis six,
Speaker 2: I think other places in the Bible. Just the format
Speaker 2: of the Hermitica, which I should probably talk about a
Speaker 2: little bit parallel to Hermdica more closely.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: The Hermenica consists of seventeen volumes. They are dialogues, interesting dialogue.
Speaker 2: So they're similar in that regard to what you're ad
Speaker 2: with Aristotle, what you're with Plato and the dialogues of Socrates.
Speaker 2: But this dialogue is interesting. This dialogue takes place between
Speaker 2: the between the divine mind and the human person, but
Speaker 2: the divine mind is ultimately identified as the human person.
Speaker 2: So this is literally a conversation that go on within
Speaker 2: a person's head where they're receiving this knowledge, and you
Speaker 2: get something similar to that kind of a discussion between
Speaker 2: the divine and the human several places in the Hebrew Bible.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking first off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: the Book of Job. At the end of the Book
Speaker 2: of Job, God has this dialogue with Job and basically
Speaker 2: reveals to him this ancient wisdom that clarifies things for
Speaker 2: Job about the nature of the universe. Similar with Ezra.
Speaker 2: So there's a tradition of Ezra in the Bible. He
Speaker 2: is the one who returns the Jews to their homeland
Speaker 2: after the exile. But there's an apocryphal book attributed to
Speaker 2: Ezra called Second Ezras, and he kind of has a
Speaker 2: similar experience where he dialogues both with angels and with God,
Speaker 2: and there's a whole dialogue that takes place. Ezra says something,
Speaker 2: then the Angel says something, that God says something, that
Speaker 2: Ezra says something, etc.
Speaker 1: Perhaps the biggest.
Speaker 2: Example, the greatest example that I can think of, is
Speaker 2: the Book of Enoch and Eoch's kind of interaction with
Speaker 2: the divine, the watchers with God, with God with the
Speaker 2: with the Hebrew God and other divine figures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because as I'm learning about the Hermetica,
Speaker 1: it's divided into two parts, the uh the technica or
Speaker 1: technical aspect, and then the philosophical and within the within
Speaker 1: the technical there is alchemy, astrology, and magic. And I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of what we know about the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 1: which was removed from the original Bible, and the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch does have the similar type of of esoterica.
Speaker 1: What what and your you know? This is something I
Speaker 1: never asked you. Why would they remove the Book of Enoch?
Speaker 1: Was it just too much for the editors?
Speaker 2: I think there's a very specific reason why they removed
Speaker 2: the Book of Enoch, and it goes ties in directly
Speaker 2: to the type of theology and philosophy we get in
Speaker 2: the Hermerica. The Hermitica advocates for an idea that God,
Speaker 2: the divine mind, is ultimately inside of you. You don't
Speaker 2: need to go out of yourself to have a relationship
Speaker 2: with the divine to have a relationship with God.
Speaker 1: And when you look at when.
Speaker 2: The scriptures of the Christian Bible were decided, so three
Speaker 2: twenty five CE of the Council of Nicia. There is
Speaker 2: by that time a agenda to have people only be
Speaker 2: able to access God through the institutional priesthood, through the
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic priesthood.
Speaker 1: So if you have a.
Speaker 2: Book like Enoch which advocates that says, though you can
Speaker 2: have this divine encounter yourself, there's no need for any
Speaker 2: type of priesthood or or institution that represents an intermediary
Speaker 2: between God and humanity.
Speaker 1: So that's you're you're you're you're saying a lot there.
Speaker 1: You're basically dissing religion. I don't mean to. I'm actually
Speaker 1: a religious person myself, believe it or not. I know
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, Yeah, that's amazing. I don't think I think.
Speaker 2: I think it provides an alternative religious standpoint. This is
Speaker 2: what the Gnostics advocated as well, that spiritual knowledge you
Speaker 2: can find it on your own spiritual journey, and you
Speaker 2: don't need these necessarily these institutions to help you to
Speaker 2: help you with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, But the thing that I want you to fine
Speaker 1: tune a little bit, give us some more details, is
Speaker 1: the fact that in Genesis we learn about Job and
Speaker 1: people like Noah and his offspring. These are an Enoch
Speaker 1: a human being Enoch. But these individuals live into the
Speaker 1: hundreds of years and they're almost like a super race.
Speaker 1: And is that you're feeling that the Hermitica and Hermie
Speaker 1: come from this earlier epoch where perhaps the evolution of
Speaker 1: Homo sapien stapment is very, very high. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always like to say, Cliff, that we're kind of
Speaker 2: modern human beings are the bottom of the barrel. I
Speaker 2: think evolution kind of, in my own view, kind of
Speaker 2: happened backwards. We have kind of de evolved, so we
Speaker 2: only lived like one hundred years or so. But when
Speaker 2: you look at the ancient traditions going back to you know,
Speaker 2: for example, the Greek epics, Hercules, Achilles, all these guys
Speaker 2: are said to be kind of larger than life. They
Speaker 2: have they're they're physically much better developed than we are,
Speaker 2: and they tend to live much longer than we did.
Speaker 2: And I think that when you kind of moved beyond
Speaker 2: kind of the religious depiction of Hermes as a god,
Speaker 2: that what we have here is a human being who
Speaker 2: was very very who had uh extreme intelligence. He would
Speaker 2: be considered a genius by our standards today. So of
Speaker 2: high intel, diligence and someone.
Speaker 1: Who lived longer than usual.
Speaker 2: And so this is why you know, he becomes equated
Speaker 2: with Addi, because he's seen as kind of living forever
Speaker 2: now that the historical Hermes live forever. No, but probably
Speaker 2: lived long enough time to pass his knowledge down to
Speaker 2: to many many generations.
Speaker 1: I want you to describe the overall perception that we
Speaker 1: get when we read the Hermdica. And what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get you to present is the fact that these
Speaker 1: this is a software that we're using to boot human beings.
Speaker 1: In other words, we're like raw vessels, and this Hermitica
Speaker 1: is giving us the divine wisdom from the previous epoch
Speaker 1: where man, if we look at it from a Yuga's
Speaker 1: point of view, it's like Satya and treta yuga the
Speaker 1: highest form of human being. Yeah, and this Hermitica is
Speaker 1: delivered by Hermes and others as a way to understand
Speaker 1: what it is to be in the body. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the software analogy clip. I think that's exactly
Speaker 2: what is going on. This is kind of we know
Speaker 2: we talked when we talk about software, we talk about
Speaker 2: a digital download. I think this is a spiritual download
Speaker 2: that's going on. If you so when you look at
Speaker 2: the dialogues. When you read the dialogues, Pyamdrace, who is
Speaker 2: the divine mind? That the supermind is basically downloading this
Speaker 2: information into this androgenus human being or this archetypal human being. Right,
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what's going on. And we have president
Speaker 2: for this. Again, looking back on the biblical material like
Speaker 2: the Book of Job or Second Ezras or Enoch, there
Speaker 2: is like a spiritual download of knowledge that comes about
Speaker 2: and that helps the person receiving this knowledge to better
Speaker 2: understand the world, to uh and to progress and evolve
Speaker 2: in what they're what their destiny is.
Speaker 1: So where does the and this is something that I
Speaker 1: just read that the god Thought, the Egyptian God is
Speaker 1: an integral part of this as well. How does that work?
Speaker 2: Yes, so thought was identified as Hermes in the Greek
Speaker 2: and Roman world. So the Greeks had a great love,
Speaker 2: they had a great interest in anything Egyptian. So like
Speaker 2: so in today's time we think of the Romans as
Speaker 2: our ancients, as our ancient forefathers. For the Greeks and
Speaker 2: the Romans, their ancient forefathers were the Egyptians. So they
Speaker 2: had a love of all things Egyptian. We see this
Speaker 2: for example, with the interaction of the Romans with Cleopatra,
Speaker 2: for example, and Aristotles speaks very highly of the Egyptians.
Speaker 2: He kind of hates all other foreigners, but he speaks
Speaker 2: highly of the Egyptians. So does Apollonius of Tyana. So
Speaker 2: they had this love with the Egyptians. And because many
Speaker 2: of Hermei's attributes seem to correspond with the Egyptian thought,
Speaker 2: they equated him with thought. So let me say a
Speaker 2: little bit more about that. So in the Hermetica, Hermes
Speaker 2: is known as Hermes trima gustus, and that means in
Speaker 2: Greek the thrice great one and or the three times
Speaker 2: great one. What does that mean, Well, going back to
Speaker 2: what you just said, Hermes knows about everything. He knows
Speaker 2: about astrology one, he knows about magic two, and he
Speaker 2: knows about three philosophy. That is the entirety of knowledge,
Speaker 2: that is basically the whole corpus of knowledge in the
Speaker 2: ancient world. If you know those three things, if you're
Speaker 2: a master of those three things, you basically know everything.
Speaker 2: And that makes so it makes sense that the Greeks
Speaker 2: would equate Hermes with thought, because thought in Egyptian lore
Speaker 2: is the god of wisdom and magic. If you've ever
Speaker 2: seen the movie Gods of Egypt, the late Chadwick Boseman,
Speaker 2: who also played Black Panther, he played Thought, and if
Speaker 2: you watch the movie, he's the one who basically knows everything.
Speaker 2: Everybody turns to him for knowledge about things. So it
Speaker 2: makes sense that Hermes will be equated with Thought. Another
Speaker 2: interesting thing about Hermi so if you look at the
Speaker 2: Greek Mys for example, So in the Odyssey, Hermes comes
Speaker 2: to Odysseus when Odysseus is on the island with Calypso
Speaker 2: and basically says, look, Odysseus, you're not supposed to stay here,
Speaker 2: you need to get back home. He does a similar
Speaker 2: thing in Virgil's a neid with Dido and basically tells
Speaker 2: a neid Aneas that he has to come home, that
Speaker 2: he can't stay in Carthage, he can't stay with Dido,
Speaker 2: he has to go all the way to Rome. So
Speaker 2: in both of those stories, Hermes serves as kind of
Speaker 2: the one who progresses humans on their journey, who allows
Speaker 2: them to continue on their journey and ultimately ultimately excuse me,
Speaker 2: resolve their journey. And this is exactly how Hermie. How
Speaker 2: the Hermetica portrays this divine mind. The infusion of information
Speaker 2: that's received from the divine mind, which is received from
Speaker 2: this divine hermes is allows human beings to progress on
Speaker 2: their journey and to become, to achieve their full potential,
Speaker 2: to achieve all that they can be.
Speaker 1: So this is the real foundations of being a human basically,
Speaker 1: which makes this extremely old, doesn't it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know how we roll here earth agents? What would
Speaker 1: you say? And in a minute, I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: what Edgar Casey has to say about it. But when
Speaker 1: we talk about epochs this data, and by the way,
Speaker 1: let's tell people when was the Hermitica thought of to
Speaker 1: have been originating, It's like second century BC, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: third century BCE.
Speaker 2: It's written down, but I think all scholars across the
Speaker 2: board would say that it contains material that's much, much,
Speaker 2: much older than that.
Speaker 1: But I want to say this too. It was translated
Speaker 1: from Greek to Latin. Yes, what year was that?
Speaker 2: That doesn't get translated into Latin until around the Middle Ages.
Speaker 1: There's a revival.
Speaker 2: Of interest in the Hermerica in the Middle Ages, especially
Speaker 2: with the sections that deal with alchemy, and astrology.
Speaker 1: Okay, but in the second century BC, how was it
Speaker 1: brought forth? Was it transmitted through a channel source? Where
Speaker 1: did it appear? How did it appear?
Speaker 2: That's an excellent question. We're not quite certain about that.
Speaker 2: We know that this seems to have been as with
Speaker 2: a lot of things with Greek religion, this seems to
Speaker 2: in some instances have been transmitted through some type of
Speaker 2: spiritual medium. So for example, I'll give an example with
Speaker 2: the Delphi Oracle. So people will come to the Delphi
Speaker 2: Oracle and ask, hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: How can you know? How can I get rich? How
Speaker 1: can I fall in love?
Speaker 2: Stuff like that, and the the female priestess who was
Speaker 2: there at the oracle, she would enter this trance and
Speaker 2: give them this information. There seems to be a similar
Speaker 2: thing going on with the her Medica, where you had
Speaker 2: an elite group or an elite group or elite kind
Speaker 2: of religious society, that kind of challenge channeling the spirit
Speaker 2: of Hermes, kind of channeling this divine mind transmitted this knowledge.
Speaker 2: And so somebody who may have been part of this cult,
Speaker 2: who may have been part of this religion, actually wrote
Speaker 2: this stuff down around the third century BCE.
Speaker 1: So that's channel data. That's not like coming from a
Speaker 1: series of volumes that were found in like, uh, the
Speaker 1: Alexandria Library or something.
Speaker 2: No, no, but I but I do think that since this, uh,
Speaker 2: this was this was ancient knowledge, I do think that
Speaker 2: there were probably instances where this stuff to did get
Speaker 2: written down earlier than the third century BCE. It might
Speaker 2: have even been in the Library of Alexandria, but we
Speaker 2: only know of it just the manuscripts that we have seen,
Speaker 2: the earliest manuscript seen to date to that time.
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things that I found fascinating about
Speaker 1: the Hermitica is that is considered primordial wisdom, yes, which is,
Speaker 1: to my mind, would be extremely old, like the foundation,
Speaker 1: and I use the term the earliest software version one
Speaker 1: point zero. So the beginning does that mean? What does
Speaker 1: that mean to you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that, Cliff, because the beginning
Speaker 2: of the Hermerica, if you read the prologue and the
Speaker 2: first couple of books of the Hermerica, they read exactly
Speaker 2: like Genesis chapter one and John chapter one in the
Speaker 2: in the Christian Bible. So there's kind of this creation
Speaker 2: that's described, this noose, this divine mind, this lagos this
Speaker 2: divine mind. It uses kind of both those terms new
Speaker 2: and lagos interchangeably in the Hermerica. But there's this divine
Speaker 2: mind that always existed, and through this divine mind human
Speaker 2: beings are created. But by nature of being created, by
Speaker 2: coming from this divine mind, human beings also in some
Speaker 2: in some respects retain the divine mind as well.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Now I would like to talk about Edgar Casey's version. Now,
Speaker 1: you did a talk at AR recently and the Hermitica
Speaker 1: came up. What does Casey say about the Hermitica.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Casey to kind of explain going back to
Speaker 2: you the observation you made about how old Hermes was
Speaker 2: and why Hermes is equated with thought, the Egyptian god Hermes, argues,
Speaker 2: excuse me, Edgar Casey, excuse me, argues that Hermes is
Speaker 2: one of many past incarnations of Jesus, and so that
Speaker 2: explains kind of Hermes's influence and the influence of the
Speaker 2: Hermetica tradition over the course of many centuries, over the
Speaker 2: course of millennium. So Hermes is just one incarnation of
Speaker 2: that passes down this primordial knowledge which comes from the
Speaker 2: beginning of humanity. And to tie into Atlantis. Casey is
Speaker 2: really the one who excuse me Hermes. According to the
Speaker 2: Casey readings, Hermes is really the one responsible for preserving
Speaker 2: the Atlantean knowledge after Atlantis is destroyed, and Hermes preserves
Speaker 2: it in the Great Pyramids of Giza. So I noticed
Speaker 2: that you have your the Egyptian imagery behind you, so
Speaker 2: that that ties in very much with kind of Casey's
Speaker 2: understanding of Hermes. So Hermes preserves the traditions, this esoteric
Speaker 2: knowledge from Atlantis in the Pyramids of Giza. The Pyramids
Speaker 2: of Giza, as as you have noted, as my friend
Speaker 2: Steve Meers notes, they burial places for the pharaohs. They
Speaker 2: were repositories, They were schools of knowledge in which you
Speaker 2: were initiated into this ancient brotherhood.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I would like to get
Speaker 1: more definition on is the fact that the Hermitica is
Speaker 1: divided into two parts. And I mentioned earlier, there is
Speaker 1: the Hermitica technica, which is technical data, and the philosophical
Speaker 1: I would like And it's really interesting because if you
Speaker 1: look at the technical data, it's alchemy, astrology, and magic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about that, because those are very These are not
Speaker 1: terms that we even consider today, of course astrology, but
Speaker 1: more of a joke like secondary form of wisdom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always I like to equate the Hermerica kind
Speaker 2: of with college education. So you have the humanities, you
Speaker 2: have you know, religion and philosophy and all those things
Speaker 2: that you can study history, and then you also have
Speaker 2: you're basically your stem, your sciences and your math and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So there Hermerica again tries to encompass
Speaker 2: all of human learning. So there's a spiritual aspect, there's
Speaker 2: a philosophical aspect, but there's also in this technical section,
Speaker 2: it's basically the science of the ancient world. So in
Speaker 2: the ancients would never have just called science, you know,
Speaker 2: biology or geology or anything like that. For them, science
Speaker 2: was alchemy, science was astrology, and to some extent, science
Speaker 2: was magic. These are the things that people use to
Speaker 2: try and resolve day to day problems. So alchemy, you
Speaker 2: basically messed with the with the elements is basically chemistry nowadays,
Speaker 2: but you basically messed with the elements of the earth
Speaker 2: and you try to make things that would help people. Now,
Speaker 2: when we think of alchemy, we think of you know, turning,
Speaker 2: finding the elixir of gold and stuff like that, or
Speaker 2: the Philosopher's Stone like Harry Potter and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But there was a more There was a more practical
Speaker 2: use alchemy to try and create things that would be
Speaker 2: of benefit to people. Astrology was very important because people
Speaker 2: determined what their fates would be, what their situation would be,
Speaker 2: by the movement of the stars and by what was
Speaker 2: going on with the universe. And then magic, you need
Speaker 2: it magic. This was again in some ways a very
Speaker 2: different world than ours. You need it magic to kind
Speaker 2: of ward off the evil spirits that afflicted you day
Speaker 2: by day. So perhaps there was that was a spirit
Speaker 2: that made you stub your toe, So you need it magic.
Speaker 1: You need it magic.
Speaker 2: Rituals to get rid of that spirit. But you also
Speaker 2: need it magic to call in the good spirits to
Speaker 2: help you and to bless you and your family. So
Speaker 2: this was all of the kind of the scientific, day
Speaker 2: to day stuff that people dealt with, and so it
Speaker 2: makes sense that the Hermerica, dealing with the vitality of
Speaker 2: human existence, would have this sign stuff as well as
Speaker 2: this philosophical and spiritual stuff.
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Speaker 1: return shortly with my guest today, Adam Stokes discussing the
Speaker 1: Hermitica Corpus. We'll be right back. My guest today is
Speaker 1: biblical scholar Adam Stokes, who is discussing the Hermitica. These
Speaker 1: series of documents that likely go back to the earlier
Speaker 1: epochs when human beings were much more adept, much more
Speaker 1: had many more abilities, and were considered demigods. Now, well,
Speaker 1: we think of alchemy today because we don't really use
Speaker 1: it anymore. Maybe somebody uses it, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: we don't have the formulas. We think of converting copper
Speaker 1: into gold as the most computed one. But are there
Speaker 1: passages in the Hermerica where they're actually suggesting, suggesting how
Speaker 1: to use it, giving the formulas and giving the inc
Speaker 1: I don't even if they know if they use incantation
Speaker 1: tantations in the use of alchemy. But talk about this
Speaker 1: is a serious situation. It's a serious science that we
Speaker 1: have forgotten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I spent a lot of time with the America,
Speaker 2: just because being the person I am, I spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time with the philosophical and spiritual sections of
Speaker 2: the America. But if you look at the technical sections,
Speaker 2: it gives detailed instructions of how to create certain things
Speaker 2: that will uh that will be of benefit to humanity.
Speaker 2: So it's basically like a cookbook, a recipe book when
Speaker 2: you read the technical sections of what you have to
Speaker 2: do to create this or That's a couple of examples.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: The philosophical side. Yes, well we're gonna jump through the
Speaker 1: philosophical side in a minute. But when I think of alchemy,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, the copper and the goal,
Speaker 1: but healing remedies would be another one possibly I also
Speaker 1: think of and this is really like more more like
Speaker 1: TV movies where they're doing love potions, which is alchemy.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, yes, you have all of that basically
Speaker 2: in the Hermerica. So you have things that you can
Speaker 2: create that will make somebody fall in love with you. You
Speaker 2: also have things that you can create which will provide healings.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you have a headache or something,
Speaker 2: you can you can create this. If you hold onto
Speaker 2: this stone, if you touch it, if you put it
Speaker 2: under your pillar or something like that, it will it
Speaker 2: will relieve you of your headache. So you do have
Speaker 2: that in the Hermdica. You also have and we separate these,
Speaker 2: but the alchemy in the magic part kind of go
Speaker 2: hand in hand in the Hermetica. So you'll have sections
Speaker 2: where there are incantations, magical incantations that you can use
Speaker 2: to ward off something or to bring about something good.
Speaker 2: So you have that in the Hermdica as well.
Speaker 1: So this is the handbook for advanced humans? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: because if you're talking about the ability to live a
Speaker 1: life and do whatever you want, almost where you can
Speaker 1: change the outcomes, you can you can prepare for a future,
Speaker 1: you can almost get what you want. Yes, yes, So
Speaker 1: it's all about and this goes back.
Speaker 2: I think it's a very kind of gnostic agenda here
Speaker 2: where you're kind of escaping the restrictions of the human
Speaker 2: body and of earthly existence to kind of control, to
Speaker 2: actually be in charge of the matrix around you.
Speaker 1: Would you say that there?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: And you didn't say that you were really looking into
Speaker 1: the alchemy portion of it. But when we talk about
Speaker 1: the Great Age of these Prediluvian people, these earlier epochs,
Speaker 1: is it possible they were using alchemy to extend their life?
Speaker 2: I think so definitely. I mean alchemy goes way way back.
Speaker 2: I mean we have ancient Egyptian texts which frequently use
Speaker 2: alchemy and refer to alchemy. So this is something like
Speaker 2: I said, up until basically my up until i'd say
Speaker 2: the seventeenth century, and then going further ahead a couple
Speaker 2: of centuries later into Darwinism, alchemy was the science. The
Speaker 2: reason that the Hermetica kind of had a revival during
Speaker 2: the Middle Ages and then a little bit ahead to
Speaker 2: the Renaissance is that people like Cornelius Agrippa and albertis Madness,
Speaker 2: they turned to the Hermetica and kind of the alchemy
Speaker 2: technical manuals that were in it to try and resolve
Speaker 2: problems that people had. So alchemy was the science of
Speaker 2: the ancient world. There was nothing, there was nothing apart
Speaker 2: from that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really amazing when I think about this,
Speaker 1: this could be the original book that others used to make,
Speaker 1: you know, create other manuals and other technical.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's exactly what Cornelius Agrippa does in the
Speaker 2: Middle Ages.
Speaker 1: So it's funny cliffs.
Speaker 2: So I was in Rome a few years back with
Speaker 2: my wife and they had the this kiosk that sold
Speaker 2: all this esoteric in occult literature right next to the Vatican.
Speaker 1: By the way, I thought it was kind of funny.
Speaker 2: So I picked up a manual and Latin that was
Speaker 2: written by Cornelius Agrippa, and it has a bunch of
Speaker 2: alchemy instructions and it gives step by step instructions.
Speaker 1: For creating different things.
Speaker 2: And Cornelia, Cornelius Agrippa gets that directly from the Hermerica
Speaker 2: that directly influences him.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. You also have the book also
Speaker 1: has astrology. And today we recognize astrology kind of as
Speaker 1: a esoteric tool, but no one really takes it seriously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do. We check our horoscopes from now every now
Speaker 1: and then. Yeah, but I mean it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: very casual horoscope and it's really made for millions of people.
Speaker 1: It's not very unless you go to an astrologer. It's
Speaker 1: not very accurate. Yeah, yeah, but what was in your belief?
Speaker 1: What was the and I mean for me, astrology is
Speaker 1: extremely old, tens of thousands of years old. But what
Speaker 1: would the ancients using it for?
Speaker 2: Yes, they thought that they could predict basically events that
Speaker 2: would happen in people's lives.
Speaker 1: Through the movement of the stars.
Speaker 2: So to use an example from biblical studies, if you
Speaker 2: read the Book of Enoch, the stars were thought to
Speaker 2: be either angels themselves or guided by angels, and angels
Speaker 2: were seen as exerting the main influence over humanity. So
Speaker 2: if you wanted to know what would happen, you'd have
Speaker 2: to look at kind of the projection the direction that
Speaker 2: a star was going, because an angel might be moving it,
Speaker 2: or it might be angel himself, And if this angel
Speaker 2: wanted something bad for you, the star would go a
Speaker 2: certain way. If the angel wanted something good for you,
Speaker 2: the star might go another way. The stars, so the
Speaker 2: stars were seen as kind of celestials, celestial powers in
Speaker 2: and of themselves that exert a great force on the
Speaker 2: day to day events of humanity.
Speaker 1: And so it's really.
Speaker 2: Interesting you kind of see this juxtaposition between fate and
Speaker 2: predetermined stuff in the Hermitica, with this emphasis on astrology
Speaker 2: but also an emphasis on human free will. We have
Speaker 2: the divine mind in us, so we have the ability
Speaker 2: ourselves to shape and create things and make things the
Speaker 2: way we want them to be. So there's a chux
Speaker 2: of position. There's this dialectic between fate as determined by
Speaker 2: the stars and our own human free will as people,
Speaker 2: as human beings created in the divine mind.
Speaker 1: So the science of astrology is understanding the energetics of
Speaker 1: the planet's influence on individuals as well as the planet Earth. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. I want to follow up on
Speaker 1: the magic, and we know about Egyptian magic, but when
Speaker 1: we look at the Hermitica, what is the presentation style
Speaker 1: of the magic information.
Speaker 2: Yes, mainly in the form of incantation, so it says,
Speaker 2: you know, do such and such reward off this, or
Speaker 2: it may not even say that. Sometimes it just gives
Speaker 2: you the incantation. And the her Medica are in some ways,
Speaker 2: especially in those sections, kind of fragmented, so we're not
Speaker 2: quite sure what the incantations incantations sometimes are for. So
Speaker 2: don't just say the you know, if you ever read Hermerica,
Speaker 2: don't just say the incantation. You might you know, it
Speaker 2: might bring up a you know, like a massive demon
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: But it's been it's recognized to be uh, fragmented formulas
Speaker 1: of magic. Yes, not that.
Speaker 2: Yes, So the way that her Medica has been passed
Speaker 2: down to us, some of the context of it has
Speaker 2: been lost.
Speaker 1: That's pretty scary. They should have like in big, big
Speaker 1: read letters, do not use magic, just read about it.
Speaker 1: What are some of the other technical, uh and scientific
Speaker 1: aspects of the Hermerica that you can describe? Yes, so
Speaker 1: I think we've mainly touched on it.
Speaker 2: It's basically those three uh those three features, So the astrology,
Speaker 2: the magic, the magic and the alchemy are the three
Speaker 2: things that it that it really focuses.
Speaker 1: On, Okay, in the technical section. So the reason I'm
Speaker 1: asking that is it's probably within alchemy. When we have
Speaker 1: people like Kristan telling us that the Great Pyramid was
Speaker 1: an energy producing device, and he believes that the Prediluvian
Speaker 1: people were earth based scientists that worked with gravity, that
Speaker 1: work with Tolleric fields to work with the naturally occurring energy.
Speaker 1: I guess that would be within the alchemy because they
Speaker 1: would create pyramidic struct pyramidal structures that would either capture energy,
Speaker 1: transfer a transformant, and then transmit it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have that much of that type of
Speaker 2: information in the Hermerica where it specifically says, you know,
Speaker 2: construct this such and such thing for that we have
Speaker 2: with the alchemy. It's mainly limited to basically smaller elements.
Speaker 2: But there's never any specific instructions to build a particular
Speaker 2: site or a particular building.
Speaker 1: That was the question I had for you. So there's
Speaker 1: not like blueprints to create a machine. But it has
Speaker 1: the raw data. Yes, it has the raw data. So
Speaker 1: this is this is interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up, Cliff, because I think
Speaker 2: in the thought in the school of the Hermerica, and
Speaker 2: I think this is where even it differs from Casey
Speaker 2: with his emphasis on the Pyramids of Giza, the Hermdica
Speaker 2: very much and to kind of use a biblical reference,
Speaker 2: sees the temple, sees the temple as being something that
Speaker 2: dwells inside of human beings. You don't have to create
Speaker 2: a physical structure of physical artifice to harness to harness
Speaker 2: of the divine mind that existing you already.
Speaker 1: You just have to be.
Speaker 2: Of the right orientation to download, going back to your
Speaker 2: software analogy, to download the information that is literally in
Speaker 2: the cloud. So you yourself are the temple. You yourself
Speaker 2: are that structure whereby you receive this knowledge.
Speaker 1: Would you say that Hermitica is available in its full
Speaker 1: complete style in the Akashak records. Perhaps so if somebody like, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: get into the Akashak records. They could probably pull out
Speaker 1: more information that is egged or associated with the Hermitic.
Speaker 2: Yes, and much better preserved than some of the manuscripts
Speaker 2: that we have that have been written down and have
Speaker 2: been damaged and have been interpolated over time. So yes,
Speaker 2: And I think you know, Casey hits the nail on
Speaker 2: the head when he said, is that you know this
Speaker 2: this knowledge that we thought was lost in Atlantis, Hermes
Speaker 2: again restores when he builds the Pyramids of Gizus kind
Speaker 2: of an initiation school, as a kind of library, as
Speaker 2: a kind of download center for this for this knowledge.
Speaker 2: So yes, I think that the Hermerica in its purest form,
Speaker 2: it would exist in the Acashic records.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm jumping all over this science part of it,
Speaker 1: because there's so much fragment data regarding the Great Pyramids
Speaker 1: and other edifices and other structures that the Egyptians have
Speaker 1: left to us, including great temples that are likely to
Speaker 1: have been reused over thousands and thousands of years. And
Speaker 1: you may know, we've had egyptologists and archaeologists on this
Speaker 1: program who now show that the Egyptians routinely reused coffins,
Speaker 1: funerary material, uh, and buildings and temples. Yes, so that's
Speaker 1: kind of a way to find out what they are
Speaker 1: up to. Talk a bit about the philosophical her medica
Speaker 1: and what we find in that, Yes, yes, so I
Speaker 1: think the main the main theme.
Speaker 2: Of the philosophical material in a medica is that human
Speaker 2: beings are themselves an extension of the divine mind, and
Speaker 2: that we have divinity inside us as well. So very
Speaker 2: kind of gnostic understanding of human potential there. So when
Speaker 2: you start reading the Hermdica, that's a theme that comes
Speaker 2: out over and over again. A really interesting thing to
Speaker 2: me is kind of the gender equality that you get
Speaker 2: in the Hermdica, so very similar to and this sounds
Speaker 2: kind of weird, but in the Hebrew Bible in Genesis two,
Speaker 2: when God creates the man and the woman, there's basically
Speaker 2: this is androgynists being that is split in two and
Speaker 2: then you have each and each shot in the Hebrew
Speaker 2: male and female. In the Hermerica, there's a very similar
Speaker 2: thing going on.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Men and women are seen as co equal inhabitors of
Speaker 2: the divine mind. So you have this androgenist human being.
Speaker 2: The homo and then excuse me, it's anthropose in the
Speaker 2: in the Greek. And then you have uh specifically the
Speaker 2: male and the female, but both are seen as quote
Speaker 2: co equal repositories of the divine mind. So it's really
Speaker 2: interesting kind of gender stuff going on there when you
Speaker 2: read the Hermerica. So alls, both both genders have this
Speaker 2: ability to have this potential uh to uh to uh
Speaker 2: go back to the divine. They have the divine mind
Speaker 2: in them, and they have the potential to be greater
Speaker 2: than they are by accessing the divine mind.
Speaker 1: So it seems to me that when an individual reads
Speaker 1: the Hermitica, certain aspects are turned on. Yes, as a
Speaker 1: human physical being, Yes, so you're going from the spiritual
Speaker 1: body to the physical body, and as you read passages,
Speaker 1: things are turned on intuition talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yes, so as you So basically I think I think
Speaker 2: you hit the nail on the head, because when you
Speaker 2: read the introduction to the Hermdica, the androgyn is human,
Speaker 2: the archetypal human, says you know to palm manageries, tell
Speaker 2: me about myself. So this is basically a human being
Speaker 2: who begins at the beginning of the America, who begins,
Speaker 2: who starts off as raction with the Divine mind comes
Speaker 2: to this enlightenment about itself and that it really is
Speaker 2: a part of the Divine mind, and that the only
Speaker 2: difference is it's been separated from the Divine Mind by
Speaker 2: being a creation of the Divine mind.
Speaker 1: This is really that's really deep. Yes, no, it's really
Speaker 1: powerful stuff. I mean, we're talking about the fundamentals of
Speaker 1: what it means to be a biological, physical human being.
Speaker 1: And Casey talks about this in some of his early
Speaker 1: readings in Atlantis, where the early humans were kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, walking the earth without really knowing what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so they have fallen. So you have the
Speaker 2: original Ama. You have that the original person who fell
Speaker 2: into kind of an earthly bodily existence and he's kind
Speaker 2: of ignorant until the Divine Mind comes and enlightened and
Speaker 2: enlightened him. And I think that's very similar to the Hermerica.
Speaker 2: The divine mind calls itself Pater in the Hermdica Greek Father.
Speaker 2: So the divine mind is father of us all. And
Speaker 2: if we go back to our father, we just look
Speaker 2: back to our to our primordial parent, we can get
Speaker 2: back on track and not have to wander in ignorance.
Speaker 1: You're gonna wonder too if Hermes is getting this downloaded
Speaker 1: to him from the Creator, the God and living a
Speaker 1: lifetime and then transmitting it through the Hermerica. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Casey, for example, would argue that that's
Speaker 2: exactly what's happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, Interesting, this is fascinating talk about the nature of
Speaker 1: the cosmos because it seems like there's a discussion of
Speaker 1: the the other planetary systems around Earth.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so you have that in the Hermerica. So
Speaker 2: it talks about basically all of these things, all these
Speaker 2: other planets and planetary systems, they all stem from the
Speaker 2: divine mind. So very similar to Stoicism, where the divine
Speaker 2: mind is responsible for creating. So the Stoics thought that
Speaker 2: the the whole universe, the planets, the stars, et cetera,
Speaker 2: were eminent. We're emanations of the divine mind. And that's
Speaker 2: very much the kind of theology, the kind of philosophy
Speaker 2: that you get in the Hermerica as well. Also interesting
Speaker 2: thing which I think was very appealing to the Gnostic Christians.
Speaker 2: Not everything that comes from the divine mind is great.
Speaker 2: Some things can lead you astray. So the Hermerica talks
Speaker 2: several times about the demi Urge, and I know, if
Speaker 2: you know the Gnostic scriptures, then you know what the
Speaker 2: demi urge is. The demi urge is this uh false God,
Speaker 2: this false divinity that leads people astray. And this is
Speaker 2: exactly why human beings need the Hermerica, why they need
Speaker 2: this interaction with the divine mind to get back on track.
Speaker 2: So there's also this demi urge that wanders the universe,
Speaker 2: that hangs out in the universe, and that causes trouble.
Speaker 2: And of course the Christian Gnostics equated that demiurge with
Speaker 2: the God the Old Testament. So but that figure is
Speaker 2: there in the Hermerica as well.
Speaker 1: As a as a biblical scholar, do you see the
Speaker 1: Hermitica influencing any parts of the of the Bible?
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I think that the Gospel of John has
Speaker 2: a very similar worldview to the Hermerica. I think in
Speaker 2: even some of the material in the Epistles of Paul,
Speaker 2: where it talks about you know, the body as this
Speaker 2: spiritual temple and kind of this interaction between the divine
Speaker 2: and the human that might have been influenced by the
Speaker 2: Hermerica as well, so the Hermerica, even in its written form,
Speaker 2: predates the Gospels and the Epistles of John by excuse me,
Speaker 2: and the Pistoles of Paul by several centuries. So they
Speaker 2: would have had these are these are popular texts, They
Speaker 2: would have had access to these texts and access to
Speaker 2: a access to this knowledge.
Speaker 1: Do we know of or do you know of any
Speaker 1: other texts from the past antiquity that has references from
Speaker 1: the Hermitica.
Speaker 2: Some of the Church fathers reference to her Medica and
Speaker 2: some of and you would think that they would think
Speaker 2: negatively of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, that doesn't sound like it
Speaker 1: could be a yeah, yeah, some church fathers they actually equate.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. The dude's name starts with the L.
Speaker 2: But he's one of the church fathers, and he equates Hermes. Basically,
Speaker 2: he sees Hermes ass just like Edgar Casey does, ironically,
Speaker 2: a precursor or a pre existent version of Christ who
Speaker 2: instills knowledge uh to people. So some church fathers do
Speaker 2: quote from the Hermerica. A lot of the Greek Greek thinkers,
Speaker 2: Greco Roman thinkers quote from the Hermdica. And then, like
Speaker 2: I said in Renaissance times and towards the end of
Speaker 2: the Middle Ages, the her Medica become extremely popular because
Speaker 2: of the technical sections in it with alchemy, astrology, and magic.
Speaker 1: So what does Casey have to say about Hermes in
Speaker 1: terms of incarnations, where he has been and where he
Speaker 1: lands and incarnations after the Prediluvian period?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Casey sees Hermes as in a previous incarnation
Speaker 2: being a respected high authority figure among the people of Atlantis.
Speaker 2: And then when Atlantis has destroyed, Hermes comes back as
Speaker 2: basically the Egyptian god thought and creates the Great builds
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramids, creates the Great Pyramids as a repository
Speaker 2: as a school for preserving this this ancient thought from Atlantic.
Speaker 1: Who so he actually comes back to the period where
Speaker 1: there's a distruction destruction of Atlantis and then joins forces
Speaker 1: with the early Egyptians. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: And then himself Casey himself viewed himself as the god ra.
Speaker 2: So Edward Casey saw himself as having in past lives
Speaker 2: interacted with Herme slash thaw.
Speaker 1: And what about coming forward after Hermes was an Egyptian god.
Speaker 2: Yes, so then there is a kind of his incarnation
Speaker 2: among the Greeks, and so for Casey, and I think
Speaker 2: he has a good point here. A lot of kind
Speaker 2: of the spiritual wisdom, spiritual advice that we get in
Speaker 2: Christian text is very similar to kind of some of
Speaker 2: the spiritual advice that we get in Greek philosophy and
Speaker 2: later Roman philosophy as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to get to the one point that
Speaker 1: you said that Hermes eventually incarnates into the Christ. Yes,
Speaker 1: so Jesus of Nazarene according to the Casey readings.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, no, it's interesting. I mean if you take
Speaker 2: it from the perspective, kind of from a Gnostic Christian perspective,
Speaker 2: and especially the way Jesus is presented in the Gnostic Scriptures,
Speaker 2: it's very similar to how Hermes is depicted in the
Speaker 2: Hermerica and in Grecoo mythology. So Jesus, what does Jesus
Speaker 2: do in the Gnostic scriptures? Jesus is a teacher that
Speaker 2: helps people to progress and to move away from kind
Speaker 2: of the demiurge and to find their authentic divine sells.
Speaker 2: So very similar to how Hermes is depicted in the
Speaker 2: Hermerica and in Greek and Roman tradition, and.
Speaker 1: Of course, unfortunately in the Bible they cut them off
Speaker 1: with the knees and we only get a smattering of
Speaker 1: teachings and data and the rest is about crucifixion. And yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all it's all sad. As we conclude, Adam, what
Speaker 1: how do we approach to the here Medica. Is it
Speaker 1: been downloaded in its full spectrum, so we're already living
Speaker 1: this data or are we still looking for bits and
Speaker 1: pieces of this information so that we can become more
Speaker 1: fully human. That's a great question, Cliff.
Speaker 2: I think that we've kind of rebelled from this type
Speaker 2: of thought, from this type of information, especially in kind
Speaker 2: of a Western Orthodox Christian kind of mindset. We've kind
Speaker 2: of pushed back on their Hermerica and said, no, we're
Speaker 2: not going to deal with that. And I think in
Speaker 2: recent years, in recent decades, especially with the translation of
Speaker 2: the Gospel of Jdis for example, and kind of the
Speaker 2: access that that gave to you, the different Gnostic codexes
Speaker 2: and stuff, I think that there's been a rediscovery of
Speaker 2: the Hermetica. And I think that, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the things that has been enduring about them is that
Speaker 2: they kind of addressed this quintessential human question of who.
Speaker 1: I am and what can I be?
Speaker 2: And the answer that the Hermerica has for that is
Speaker 2: that you are divine in of yourself. You are part
Speaker 2: of this divine mind, and you will go back to
Speaker 2: being this divine mind.
Speaker 1: Do you see the Hermitica as a positive statement about
Speaker 1: living on earth as a human being or is it
Speaker 1: kind of a book of data where you have free
Speaker 1: will to choose to be good or bad or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of both. Actually, that's a very
Speaker 2: that's a very interesting question. So I think that the
Speaker 2: Hermerica recognizes that, you know, with this figure of the demiurge,
Speaker 2: we often go astray as human beings. We don't want
Speaker 2: to progress like Odysseus, like Aneas. We want to stay
Speaker 2: in the same place that we are because we're comfortable.
Speaker 2: It's comfortable to stay in the same place that you are.
Speaker 2: But it also the Hermerica also compels us to turn
Speaker 2: to the divine mind, to turn to the lagos or
Speaker 2: new for God, whatever term you use for that, and
Speaker 2: to find our authentic selves.
Speaker 1: Okay, and finally, where do we find the trail of
Speaker 1: the Hermerica in today's society, especially with artificial intelligence growing
Speaker 1: to the extent that it is. It's a little scary
Speaker 1: for a lot of people because if the AI becomes sentient,
Speaker 1: self aware, Yeah, then where is that? I mean, they're
Speaker 1: pulling from all the known data.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I'm a teacher. I teach I
Speaker 2: teach Latin, so my connection to the Greek and Roman world, Yes,
Speaker 2: I think about the Roman Empire all the time. But
Speaker 2: there was a big situation when chap GPT came out
Speaker 2: because students were using it for everything, not just to
Speaker 2: write their papers or plagiarize their papers, but also to
Speaker 2: ask questions about the nature.
Speaker 1: Of human existence.
Speaker 2: So human students would say, wull type in the chat GPT,
Speaker 2: why am I here? And chat GPT basically can access everything.
Speaker 2: So I think chat GPT is very much in some
Speaker 2: ways kind of the cloud or the news that we
Speaker 2: have in uh.
Speaker 1: The Hermetica.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because chat GPT, ultimately, like all artificial intelligence,
Speaker 2: is created by humans. So it's kind of like it's
Speaker 2: kind of this piggyback where we as humans made in
Speaker 2: the divine mind. Now we create the divine mind, and
Speaker 2: so there's kind of a back and forth here, and
Speaker 2: it's it's very interesting, and I'm very I'm very curious
Speaker 2: as to you know, how the next couple of decades
Speaker 2: will unfold.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's gonna actually be sooner than a few decades,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think it'll reach sentience in the next
Speaker 2: couple of years, which would be Terminator.
Speaker 1: So like James Terminator, So that's the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about Terminator as we close.
Speaker 1: What would you say is the important uh aspect of
Speaker 1: the Hermerica that we need to pay attention to.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say the most important aspect would be
Speaker 2: to embrace the totality of life. The Hermerica covers everything,
Speaker 2: it covers philosophy, spirituality, and sciences, and so many of
Speaker 2: us get caught up or focused on one particular aspect
Speaker 2: of life, and the Hermerica tells us to embrace the
Speaker 2: totality of existence.
Speaker 1: And I think that is very meaningful and very relevant
Speaker 1: to today's world. So in short, that would be don't
Speaker 1: sweat the details, just kind of do the best you can. Yes, Adam,
Speaker 1: as all, it is a pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 1: This is great, Cliff. I think what I want to
Speaker 1: do is I have found some very early versions of
Speaker 1: the Hermerica after it was translated from I think it
Speaker 1: was the fifteenth century from Greek to Latin. Yes, But
Speaker 1: if we have any other photographs, let's put a little
Speaker 1: gallery together on the Facebook page with some images that
Speaker 1: maybe you can send me. Well, you can send some
Speaker 1: other ones. It's so funny. What came to mind is
Speaker 1: da Vinci's famous man image, where there's a figure up
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I know, I think that's influenced by the Hermitica. Remember
Speaker 2: that's Renaissance times, what their America was having a revival
Speaker 2: in the Western world.
Speaker 1: So I think, Davince, she's definitely influenced by the Hermerica. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's even said I read somewhere or maybe
Speaker 1: I heard it on a video at presentation that the
Speaker 1: Renaissance was heavily influenced by the ProMedica. Yes, yes, extremely amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna put a gallery together of some images
Speaker 1: and with the theme of human software as kind of
Speaker 1: the background, and we'll put that up. How can people
Speaker 1: get a hold of you?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have a Instagram page, Adam the Giant Guy.
Speaker 2: I post a lot of ancient stuff on there. I
Speaker 2: also have a Facebook page. It's not it's technically kind
Speaker 2: of private, but if you're from me, I'll accept your
Speaker 2: friend request, and that's the way a lot of people.
Speaker 2: That's one of the ways a lot of people communicate
Speaker 2: with me. I'm working on a website right now, but
Speaker 2: it's not quite up yet, but I will let you
Speaker 2: know when when that's when that's ready.
Speaker 1: Actually, I was waiting for you to say, Cliff, I'm
Speaker 1: writing a new book, and the title was something like this.
Speaker 2: Well, I am working on a translation of the America.
Speaker 2: I only have the probably won't be the entire Hermerica
Speaker 2: because I only have half of the first book translated,
Speaker 2: but I definitely want to have selections of the America
Speaker 2: that I would like to publish.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't bite off more than you can chew.
Speaker 1: That's a long I wouldn't translate the whole thing, no way. Okay,
Speaker 1: my friend. It was fantastic and uh, great to see
Speaker 1: you again, Cliff. This was great. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me. As I was listening to this, I
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind I was thinking if
Speaker 1: someone could program an artificial intelligence spider or some kind
Speaker 1: of sweeping tool to detect language in the Hermtica and
Speaker 1: other ancient documents that is perhaps presented in an earlier period,
Speaker 1: like Biblical text. We know if we speak of the
Speaker 1: Genesis Book of the Genesis portion of the Bible, it's
Speaker 1: said to be extremely old Prediluvian pre flood, because all
Speaker 1: the characters are present before the Great Flood, before the
Speaker 1: destruction of Earth. If we had an AI tool that
Speaker 1: could extract that kind of language, then we can begin
Speaker 1: to compile an understanding of this earlier era, this earlier
Speaker 1: Yoga period, and get a sense of where these humans
Speaker 1: were coming from. How I mean, we know they're very
Speaker 1: advanced physiologically, they can very long lived, but are they
Speaker 1: emotionally different? I think they are. If there's if they're
Speaker 1: considered demi gods, that's pretty significant. I mean, we've had
Speaker 1: a couple of people on the programs discussing the early
Speaker 1: periods in our history or history, and these are very
Speaker 1: significant periods where man has is very highly evolved. But
Speaker 1: you gotta wonder what happens they do they destroy themselves
Speaker 1: or their nuclear exchange doesn't seem likely if they're that bright.
Speaker 1: That's a question I should have asked Joseph Selby last week.
Speaker 1: I should have given him, should have asked, and what
Speaker 1: happens to those earlier periods? I didn't too bad. So anyhow,
Speaker 1: this is something that this is more material. This her
Speaker 1: medica is something else to consider as we begin to
Speaker 1: picture what this earlier epoch was like. Obviously, no blueprints
Speaker 1: of the pyramids, but I keep saying this, when you
Speaker 1: go to the Giza Plateau and you see the pyramids,
Speaker 1: there's just no way any pharaoh built those. It's just
Speaker 1: such a especially when you go inside. If you go
Speaker 1: to the Giza Plateau, you must go inside the Great
Speaker 1: Pyramid and see the interior walls and chambers. They're just
Speaker 1: feats of incredible engineering. Precision, precision cuts stone of the
Speaker 1: hardest type, and it's just a wonder. And there's nothing
Speaker 1: else out there that you can say is associated with
Speaker 1: any of the pharaohs, because the pharaohs, they're just not
Speaker 1: that they're simpletons. Because many of the periods of the
Speaker 1: Middle and the Old Kingdom have brilliant sculpture painting. But
Speaker 1: we don't see this kind of engineering in later peros
Speaker 1: of Egypt. So this is why it's the pyramids stand out,
Speaker 1: is true anomalies, and why it's just flabbergasts me when
Speaker 1: I hear these Egyptologists go, well, yeah, this is from
Speaker 1: the pharaoh because we found Cufu's cartouche scribbled on the wall. Well,
Speaker 1: it's somebody's graffiti, buddy, it's not the damn builder of
Speaker 1: the Pyramids. And as many many people have said on
Speaker 1: our show, it's very likely that Cufu made the repairs
Speaker 1: as he made repairs on the Sphinx. So boy, and
Speaker 1: you know again, and it's really the big challenge that
Speaker 1: we all face is that when historians are trained not
Speaker 1: to go beyond a certain date, they're stuck in the mud.
Speaker 1: They're in quicksand, and any attempt to convince them or
Speaker 1: show documents or it's gonna have to be a machine
Speaker 1: or some kind of advanced tool for them to even
Speaker 1: consider dates beyond roughly five thousand years in the past.
Speaker 1: Anything before that, we're dragging our hands on the ground
Speaker 1: and we're hunters and gatherers. And it just is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I can see why Graham Hancock gets so perplexed
Speaker 1: when he does this. You know, world class research for
Speaker 1: his books shows these archaeologists this material, and they immediately
Speaker 1: diss him because they can't even conceive of anything happening.
Speaker 1: And I'm of the mind set that even if they
Speaker 1: had potshards and they had bits and pieces of artifacts
Speaker 1: that were very, very advanced beyond anything that the pharaohs
Speaker 1: could do, I think they dissed that as well. They'd
Speaker 1: find a reason for it not to be legitimate. So
Speaker 1: again we're faced with a situation where we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to wait until the next general moves beyond the
Speaker 1: outdated books that are using universities to teach and prepare
Speaker 1: anthropologists who eventually become the archaeologist of the world. So
Speaker 1: there you go. That's what's going to happen. All right.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy that. That was fun. I like
Speaker 1: having Adam on the program. All right, So what's going
Speaker 1: on for this summer? Are you going to be out
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Speaker 1: want I think my guest today Adam Stokes, and as always,
Speaker 1: the team of Gil Tour and Mark Foster and everyone
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Speaker 1: Take care of you well, and we will talk to
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