WEBVTT 1 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:22.320 Hey, how are you come on in, have a seat. 2 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:28.839 I'm heading to Turkey on the twelfth of this month 3 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:33.479 of August and looking forward to two weeks of exploration. 4 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.880 Never been to Turkey, and I'll be reporting on some 5 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:41.280 of the places that we see, particularly the ancient sites 6 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:47.719 of Darren Kuru, the underground city Cappadocia, and when we visit, 7 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:52.799 Go Beckley Teppe, and a prime of real great interest 8 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.079 to me and many of the people on this tour 9 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.520 is Carahan Teppi, where there's very tall figures are that 10 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:04.599 they keep finding and you know, it's strange that they 11 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:08.760 have stopped excavating. Go Beckley Tappy because there's a number 12 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:11.959 of different temples that are still buried I think up 13 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.840 to around twenty two or more. But at Carahan Tapby, 14 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:20.959 because it's so new, they are continually excavating and finding 15 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:25.319 just amazing artifacts. And I'll be reporting on those as 16 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.439 well as filming much of these sites with this new 17 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:34.640 camera that I have that takes just amazing video, So 18 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.480 you can look forward to that and some reporting. I'll 19 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.719 be back on the twenty fourth of August and we'll 20 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:45.239 be able to talk a little bit about the experience. 21 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.799 So again, I've never been there, and this is a 22 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.480 brand new addition to the Earth Ancient Tours simply because 23 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:59.159 we haven't had anyone that could provide us a tour 24 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:04.560 with our interest, our focus on the pre flood people, 25 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:10.719 the unknown civilizations prior to our written history, and also 26 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:16.319 the megalith the megalithic buildings, the megalithic sites that just 27 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:23.159 litter are all over Turkey, so looking forward to that now. 28 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.560 With that being said, today's program kind of fits into 29 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:33.520 that vein when we're talking about ancient unknown civilizations. Of 30 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:38.039 course Atlantis falls into that realm as well as I 31 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.240 think the Mayan culture is very much unknown, and I'd 32 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:46.800 say predynastic Egyptians fits in that area too. But today 33 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:49.280 we're talking about something that is very unique. It's called 34 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:56.159 the Hermitica or corpus Hermetica based on the writings of Hermes, 35 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:02.280 and Hermes was a Greek god that apparently was incarnated 36 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:07.400 from thought, the famous Egyptian god. And what's fascinating about 37 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:15.560 this this Hermetica is it's seventeen writings or seventeen dialogues 38 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:21.479 Greek dialogues that were translated in the fifteenth century by 39 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:26.639 a philosopher. It was translated from Greek into Latin, and 40 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:32.400 it is fascinating. It actually has not only a philosophical 41 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.360 bent or look at what it means to be human, 42 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:41.800 but it's broken into what is considered technical information, technical data, 43 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:49.919 and philosophical data, and more importantly, it is actually what 44 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:56.639 I consider some of the earliest philosophical thought on what 45 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.759 it is to be a human being. And as much 46 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.599 as I've read about it, it's something that is not 47 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:08.919 well known, but it's very very likely to have come 48 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.560 from the earlier epoch, you know. And we've had people 49 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:15.080 speaking about the Yugas and what it was like to 50 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:20.279 live during the Satya and Treta Yuga period over eleven 51 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:27.879 thousand BC and much earlier, and what the people on 52 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:34.279 earth were like then, very very god like if you 53 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.959 can say that, or what they what we would consider 54 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:41.439 demigod and people could by locate, leave their body and 55 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:47.480 go to someplace else. They can manifest. And the Hermitica 56 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:54.920 has a number of properties within it that are considered esoteric, 57 00:04:55.040 --> 00:05:01.000 and this is alchemy, astrology and would you leave magic. 58 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:06.800 Magic was in use in the previous epoch what we 59 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.720 would consider magic, and I'm beginning to wonder if this 60 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:17.519 is what is thought about as manifestations, the ability to 61 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:22.240 manifest what we want. Wow, what a way, what a 62 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:26.399 reality that would be. And also alchemy. We think of 63 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:33.839 alchemy as kind of transmuting metals from perhaps copper into gold, 64 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:40.600 or coming up with elixirs and various mixtures to empower 65 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:49.720 us perhaps to know more, or to treat illnesses or desires. 66 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:53.959 Treat desires in other words, you want someone to you 67 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:55.959 want to have a relationship with somebody, so you give 68 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.600 them a elixer. I don't know if that's good for 69 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.480 the other person, and how It's a lot of data 70 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:08.279 within this hermitica. And my guest today is the religious 71 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:12.560 scholar Adam Stokes, who has been writing about this and 72 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.879 has given a number of talks at AR, which is 73 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:21.199 the Edgar Casey Foundation in Virginia Beach, Virginia. And so 74 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:23.360 we're going to learn about this today. We're going to 75 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:28.680 figure out exactly how it falls in place. And I 76 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.759 have begun to think that this is not only an 77 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.759 important series of documents, because there's, like I said, seventeen 78 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.759 of them, but also this is what could be the boot, 79 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:46.360 the reboot that we were provided following the devastation of 80 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:52.240 our planet. Remember, during the devastation the global catastrophe nine 81 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:58.040 five hundred BC, eighty percent of humanity we think was 82 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.720 wiped out, was killed. And so when that many people 83 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.839 are extinguished, then we have to think about a reboot. 84 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.399 And when we think about go Beckley, Teppe, Carahan Teppe 85 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.040 and some of these other places in Turkey, these are 86 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:26.240 for all purposes reboot centers where data is imparted to people. Agriculture, engineering, cosmology, 87 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:35.279 all these important techniques are imparted on the survivors, the 88 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:39.240 civilizations that are rebooting, that are growing again. And it 89 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.800 seems to me that the Hermetica, and we'll learn more 90 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:47.600 about it today, is not only an esoteric series of documents, 91 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:53.920 but it is the again what I call the software 92 00:07:54.920 --> 00:08:03.040 humanity that is used to restart the survivors of this catastrophe. 93 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.399 So the program today is called Hermes and the Hermetica. 94 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:16.160 And my guest today is Adam Stokes. Hey, we're in 95 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.759 the summer months right now and people are thinking about 96 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:23.480 getting away for a vacation. 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The 113 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.080 Sacred Temples of Mexico is a unique tour because we 114 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:43.759 have selected sites that you can actually connect with physically, 115 00:09:43.840 --> 00:10:32.679 mentally and spiritually. Earthgents dot com Forward slash Tours in 116 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:39.159 our continual look at the ancient past finding evidence of philosophy, 117 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:47.000 technical data, perhaps even engineering schematics is really critical to 118 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:52.639 learn if there are trails that have a beginning. And 119 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.679 today we're going to look at the ancient past from 120 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:02.919 some documents that have been and have been around since 121 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:08.639 the time of Plato. They're called the Hermitica Corpus her Medica, 122 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:17.360 and they're very unusual. In some cases they're considered esoteric, 123 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.559 and others they are considered the voice from the ancient past. 124 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:29.080 They're a collection of seventeen Greek writings from the god Hermes, 125 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.799 which is interesting. And my guest today is Adam Stokes. 126 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.000 We've had Adam on a couple of different times. He 127 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.279 is a religious scholar and he studies these things we've 128 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:42.000 had him on. We had him on before talking about 129 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:46.480 the Michigan relics. He's the author of Relic of Babel 130 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:51.879 from Egypt to Ohio and he's written a number of articles, 131 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:57.320 excellent articles in Ancient American magazine. So we want to 132 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.120 get to the bottom of this. And the reason that 133 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:03.240 we're having Adam on today is I believe, and he 134 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:09.200 believes as well, that this is the potential information from 135 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:14.080 a previous epoch. In other words, This could be from 136 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:20.279 the forgotten continent of Atlantis. It could have been dialogue 137 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:26.799 information from sources that are the beginning of man's Homo 138 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.639 sapien sapient journey and the ancient wisdom that comes with that. 139 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.080 So Adam, welcome back to Earth, ancients. How you doing. 140 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:37.559 I'm doing good, Cliff, great to be back. 141 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.840 Greetings to you from the Beverly Free Library. Speaking of 142 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.559 ancient stuff, this place goes back to nineteen twenty nine, 143 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.720 but we have in the back here behind me some 144 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.519 pottery shirts that go back to the time of Abraham 145 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.279 about two thousand BCE from the ancient Near East. 146 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:59.159 That's funny that you mentioned that's a library, because it's 147 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.159 a library and i'm mini museum there is it? Yes, yes, 148 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.039 well we're connected. You can't see it from here. 149 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:07.879 We're connected to the Burlington Historical Society, so they have 150 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:09.679 a bunch of ancient stuff as well. 151 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:15.279 Amazing. Well, Hey, this document that you want to work with, 152 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.440 that you have been thinking about, and perhaps a book's 153 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:23.240 coming out of this. The Hermitica is a very unusual document. 154 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.440 Talk a little bit about your discovery of it and 155 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.519 why you find it a fascinating subject. 156 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:35.480 Absolutely, my interaction with the Hermerica goes Backcliff to about 157 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.519 twenty years when I was in Divinity School, and my 158 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:44.039 last year of Divinity School, the National Geographic Society published 159 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:48.679 an edition of the Gospel of Judas. They published two editions. 160 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:50.960 One was just a straight up English translation that anybody 161 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:55.159 could use, and then they published this lovely critical edition 162 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.360 of the Gospel of Judas, which was from the entire 163 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.440 codex that the translation was taken. So it was a 164 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:07.960 codex written in Coptic. And it was interesting because in 165 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.120 addition to the Gospel of Judas, there were a bunch 166 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:11.440 of other Gnostic. 167 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:12.360 Texts in there. 168 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.480 This was a codex that was used by an ancient 169 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:21.519 Gnostic Christian set, the Canites, and one of the documents 170 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:26.279 in there, one of the manuscripts in there was a 171 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:32.240 translation from Greek Intocoptic of the Hermetica, which fascinated me. 172 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:34.600 And when you look at the content of the America, 173 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.840 you can see why Gnostic Christians would be so interested 174 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:41.279 in this material. So the Hermitica has always been something 175 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.080 that has always been in the back of my mind. 176 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:47.759 I've once I learned Greek, I was able to read 177 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.200 it in its original language. I'm working on a translation 178 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:54.159 of it now that's going extremely extremely slowly. It'll eventually 179 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:59.639 get there. But I was able I've read from time 180 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:02.519 to time. I've really gotten into the Hermerica. And then 181 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.679 last year I was able to present on the Hermerica 182 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.960 for the Association for Research and Enlightenment and shout out 183 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:10.639 to Greg Little. 184 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:16.480 With oh Edgar Casey's Foundation. Yes, yes, okay, Now that's 185 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:23.200 an interesting side view of her Medica. If you're speaking 186 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.879 to Casey, well, we're gonna have to learn more about that. 187 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:34.000 I'm curious about your feeling on the so called person 188 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:38.679 that is featured, which is Hermes. Now Hermes we know 189 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.320 is a Greek god, right, but if we go further 190 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:48.399 into deep history, a lot of these figures that are 191 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:53.519 considered gods to the Greeks into the Egyptians, like Osirian 192 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:59.720 and Hermes and others, it's possible that they were humans, 193 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.519 actual human beings. Talk a little bit about that. 194 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.279 You get that a lot in ancient history. So, for example, 195 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.840 to use something I'm more familiar with within biblical studies, 196 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:13.360 the god el who later gets equated with the God 197 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.879 the Old Testament, the god the Hebrew Bible was. 198 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.320 Probably a human being. 199 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.360 Originally he was a Canaanite king who later in later 200 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.480 generations and with later followers, he was such a kind 201 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.600 of a kick ass king, if I can say that, 202 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:33.039 such an amazing king. Later people deified him to the 203 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:35.720 status of a god. So he becomes the main god 204 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:39.279 in the Cannite pantheon, and then he's appropriated by the Israelites. 205 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.480 So whenever you have in Hebrew the term l the 206 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.120 Israelites always understood that as referring to their god, the 207 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.600 Hebrew God. So this happens a lot in Sumerian context. 208 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.440 The Sumerian kings were probably human beings at one time 209 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:57.440 who later followers deified. Zachariah Stitching talks a little bit 210 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.200 about this. So this is a common trend where we 211 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.279 have these humans. If you were a really amazing human, 212 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.480 you were later on deified or given the status of 213 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.720 a god. In classical studies, to use another example, many 214 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:16.519 classicists believe that figures such as Achilles and Hercules were 215 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:21.319 probably historical figures who themselves were later defied. Hercules deliberately 216 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.400 explicitly gets deified. There's a whole call to him. In 217 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:26.960 Greco Roman times, there's still a temple of Hercules that 218 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:31.920 still remains in Greece, So this was something that commonly happened. 219 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:34.000 So it's likely that that happened with Hermes as well. 220 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.759 When we look at Greek history though, and the gods 221 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.319 in the Greek time period, Zeus and these other individuals, 222 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:48.920 are they speaking from the ancient pre Deiluvian past or 223 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:50.599 even further back? Would you say? 224 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.920 I think a lot of this is super ancient, super 225 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.200 esoteric knowledge that goes very very very far back. We 226 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.519 get glimpses of that. You know, even in the Biblical tradition. 227 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:05.400 One of my favorite things to talk about, as you 228 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.480 well know, are the ancient giants. And when you have 229 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.640 the giants described, for example in Genesis chapter six, they're's 230 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.960 described as coming from this civilization, from this culture that 231 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:20.039 even the Biblical author himself can't identify. So going back 232 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:22.279 to kind of Hermes and the Greek gods and stuff, 233 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:26.920 I think that you know, they're described, and the teachings 234 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.200 and the sayings that are attributed to them are things 235 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.359 that you know, can't be dated. 236 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:33.839 Now we know when. 237 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.640 These things were actually written down, So these are oral 238 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.279 traditions that passed that passed on to people over thousands 239 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.319 of years, over a long span of time, and were 240 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:47.200 finally written down many many centuries later, but they go 241 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.359 back to a time period that can't be specified or identified. 242 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:54.720 Are there parallels? As a religious scholar, would you say 243 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:58.799 there are parallels between say, the Book of Genesis and 244 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:05.759 the Hermitica, where we have corresponding events, corresponding individuals that 245 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:10.200 you can trace. I think in some ways. Yes, So. 246 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.559 This idea and the Hermetica kind of picks up on it, 247 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:20.720 this wisdom coming from this long loss civilization. We definitely 248 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.400 that would definitely be a parallel with for example, Genesis six, 249 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.119 I think other places in the Bible. Just the format 250 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:29.319 of the Hermitica, which I should probably talk about a 251 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:32.319 little bit parallel to Hermdica more closely. 252 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:32.599 So. 253 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:39.559 The Hermenica consists of seventeen volumes. They are dialogues, interesting dialogue. 254 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:41.960 So they're similar in that regard to what you're ad 255 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:46.000 with Aristotle, what you're with Plato and the dialogues of Socrates. 256 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:50.039 But this dialogue is interesting. This dialogue takes place between 257 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:53.799 the between the divine mind and the human person, but 258 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.920 the divine mind is ultimately identified as the human person. 259 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:01.200 So this is literally a conversation that go on within 260 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:06.200 a person's head where they're receiving this knowledge, and you 261 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.839 get something similar to that kind of a discussion between 262 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.720 the divine and the human several places in the Hebrew Bible. 263 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:16.599 So I'm thinking first off the top of my head, 264 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.039 the Book of Job. At the end of the Book 265 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.559 of Job, God has this dialogue with Job and basically 266 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.920 reveals to him this ancient wisdom that clarifies things for 267 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:31.680 Job about the nature of the universe. Similar with Ezra. 268 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.880 So there's a tradition of Ezra in the Bible. He 269 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.200 is the one who returns the Jews to their homeland 270 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.519 after the exile. But there's an apocryphal book attributed to 271 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:44.359 Ezra called Second Ezras, and he kind of has a 272 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:49.359 similar experience where he dialogues both with angels and with God, 273 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:52.799 and there's a whole dialogue that takes place. Ezra says something, 274 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.200 then the Angel says something, that God says something, that 275 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:56.920 Ezra says something, etc. 276 00:20:57.799 --> 00:20:59.319 Perhaps the biggest. 277 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:01.920 Example, the greatest example that I can think of, is 278 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:06.559 the Book of Enoch and Eoch's kind of interaction with 279 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:10.799 the divine, the watchers with God, with God with the 280 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.440 with the Hebrew God and other divine figures. 281 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:19.000 Yeah, it's funny because as I'm learning about the Hermetica, 282 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:24.759 it's divided into two parts, the uh the technica or 283 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.920 technical aspect, and then the philosophical and within the within 284 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:36.039 the technical there is alchemy, astrology, and magic. And I'm 285 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:39.039 thinking of what we know about the Book of Enoch, 286 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:42.519 which was removed from the original Bible, and the Book 287 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:46.839 of Enoch does have the similar type of of esoterica. 288 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.279 What what and your you know? This is something I 289 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.119 never asked you. Why would they remove the Book of Enoch? 290 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.960 Was it just too much for the editors? 291 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:58.519 I think there's a very specific reason why they removed 292 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:00.960 the Book of Enoch, and it goes ties in directly 293 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:04.000 to the type of theology and philosophy we get in 294 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:08.839 the Hermerica. The Hermitica advocates for an idea that God, 295 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.359 the divine mind, is ultimately inside of you. You don't 296 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:14.640 need to go out of yourself to have a relationship 297 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:16.839 with the divine to have a relationship with God. 298 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.319 And when you look at when. 299 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:24.119 The scriptures of the Christian Bible were decided, so three 300 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.359 twenty five CE of the Council of Nicia. There is 301 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:35.440 by that time a agenda to have people only be 302 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:40.519 able to access God through the institutional priesthood, through the 303 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:41.960 Roman Catholic priesthood. 304 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:44.799 So if you have a. 305 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:47.240 Book like Enoch which advocates that says, though you can 306 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.960 have this divine encounter yourself, there's no need for any 307 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:55.839 type of priesthood or or institution that represents an intermediary 308 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.640 between God and humanity. 309 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:03.079 So that's you're you're you're you're saying a lot there. 310 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.279 You're basically dissing religion. I don't mean to. I'm actually 311 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.200 a religious person myself, believe it or not. I know 312 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.960 you are. Yeah, Yeah, that's amazing. I don't think I think. 313 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.559 I think it provides an alternative religious standpoint. This is 314 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.279 what the Gnostics advocated as well, that spiritual knowledge you 315 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:23.079 can find it on your own spiritual journey, and you 316 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:27.640 don't need these necessarily these institutions to help you to 317 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:28.440 help you with that. 318 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:34.160 Okay, But the thing that I want you to fine 319 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.200 tune a little bit, give us some more details, is 320 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:40.279 the fact that in Genesis we learn about Job and 321 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:46.200 people like Noah and his offspring. These are an Enoch 322 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:51.640 a human being Enoch. But these individuals live into the 323 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:55.240 hundreds of years and they're almost like a super race. 324 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.880 And is that you're feeling that the Hermitica and Hermie 325 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:05.359 come from this earlier epoch where perhaps the evolution of 326 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:09.079 Homo sapien stapment is very, very high. Yeah. 327 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.440 I always like to say, Cliff, that we're kind of 328 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.039 modern human beings are the bottom of the barrel. I 329 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:16.240 think evolution kind of, in my own view, kind of 330 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:19.480 happened backwards. We have kind of de evolved, so we 331 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.039 only lived like one hundred years or so. But when 332 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.920 you look at the ancient traditions going back to you know, 333 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:29.400 for example, the Greek epics, Hercules, Achilles, all these guys 334 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:31.599 are said to be kind of larger than life. They 335 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:34.480 have they're they're physically much better developed than we are, 336 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.960 and they tend to live much longer than we did. 337 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.799 And I think that when you kind of moved beyond 338 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:46.319 kind of the religious depiction of Hermes as a god, 339 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.119 that what we have here is a human being who 340 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:55.440 was very very who had uh extreme intelligence. He would 341 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:59.400 be considered a genius by our standards today. So of 342 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.240 high intel, diligence and someone. 343 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.039 Who lived longer than usual. 344 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:07.000 And so this is why you know, he becomes equated 345 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:10.440 with Addi, because he's seen as kind of living forever 346 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.920 now that the historical Hermes live forever. No, but probably 347 00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:17.319 lived long enough time to pass his knowledge down to 348 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:18.759 to many many generations. 349 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:24.319 I want you to describe the overall perception that we 350 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:28.160 get when we read the Hermdica. And what I'm trying 351 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:32.160 to get you to present is the fact that these 352 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:37.279 this is a software that we're using to boot human beings. 353 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:43.599 In other words, we're like raw vessels, and this Hermitica 354 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.960 is giving us the divine wisdom from the previous epoch 355 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.799 where man, if we look at it from a Yuga's 356 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.920 point of view, it's like Satya and treta yuga the 357 00:25:55.000 --> 00:26:00.240 highest form of human being. Yeah, and this Hermitica is 358 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:05.960 delivered by Hermes and others as a way to understand 359 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.519 what it is to be in the body. Yeah. 360 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:10.960 I love the software analogy clip. I think that's exactly 361 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.079 what is going on. This is kind of we know 362 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.119 we talked when we talk about software, we talk about 363 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.319 a digital download. I think this is a spiritual download 364 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.119 that's going on. If you so when you look at 365 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.960 the dialogues. When you read the dialogues, Pyamdrace, who is 366 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.920 the divine mind? That the supermind is basically downloading this 367 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:35.079 information into this androgenus human being or this archetypal human being. Right, 368 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.480 And that's exactly what's going on. And we have president 369 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.880 for this. Again, looking back on the biblical material like 370 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.240 the Book of Job or Second Ezras or Enoch, there 371 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.599 is like a spiritual download of knowledge that comes about 372 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.119 and that helps the person receiving this knowledge to better 373 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:58.200 understand the world, to uh and to progress and evolve 374 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.079 in what they're what their destiny is. 375 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.079 So where does the and this is something that I 376 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.960 just read that the god Thought, the Egyptian God is 377 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.599 an integral part of this as well. How does that work? 378 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:16.559 Yes, so thought was identified as Hermes in the Greek 379 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.720 and Roman world. So the Greeks had a great love, 380 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.960 they had a great interest in anything Egyptian. So like 381 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.160 so in today's time we think of the Romans as 382 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.480 our ancients, as our ancient forefathers. For the Greeks and 383 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.839 the Romans, their ancient forefathers were the Egyptians. So they 384 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:35.960 had a love of all things Egyptian. We see this 385 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.720 for example, with the interaction of the Romans with Cleopatra, 386 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.480 for example, and Aristotles speaks very highly of the Egyptians. 387 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.440 He kind of hates all other foreigners, but he speaks 388 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:52.000 highly of the Egyptians. So does Apollonius of Tyana. So 389 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.799 they had this love with the Egyptians. And because many 390 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.759 of Hermei's attributes seem to correspond with the Egyptian thought, 391 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:05.079 they equated him with thought. So let me say a 392 00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.920 little bit more about that. So in the Hermetica, Hermes 393 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:14.079 is known as Hermes trima gustus, and that means in 394 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:19.000 Greek the thrice great one and or the three times 395 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.359 great one. What does that mean, Well, going back to 396 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.599 what you just said, Hermes knows about everything. He knows 397 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:29.440 about astrology one, he knows about magic two, and he 398 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.519 knows about three philosophy. That is the entirety of knowledge, 399 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.759 that is basically the whole corpus of knowledge in the 400 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:37.799 ancient world. If you know those three things, if you're 401 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.079