Speaker 1: I know the things differently, so you can never find
Speaker 1: these frickin things. That's what's so annoying. It's like you
Speaker 1: can't just search the simple you know, NATO Cognitive Warfare Document,
Speaker 1: like it's not going to come up. A lot of
Speaker 1: these ended up in the members section, a lot of
Speaker 1: them ended up on Rockfin So but I know one
Speaker 1: of the positive is that we ended up covering a
Speaker 1: lot of those many times. So there should be multiple
Speaker 1: podcasts and talks on, say the NATO Cognitive Warfare Document,
Speaker 1: which is all about transhumanism by the way, that's the one,
Speaker 1: by the way that talks about weaponizing online trolling. So
Speaker 1: what does that tell you? Rage baiting trolling? Oh you
Speaker 1: thought this was just all organic? No, No, you understand everything
Speaker 1: is being studied by militaries, army bases, naval research, British intelligence,
Speaker 1: the CIA, They're all studying everything that's happening that we're doing,
Speaker 1: all of it, the whole internet trolling four Chan, that's
Speaker 1: all ops, bro, what's up? H Browsey? You hear me?
Speaker 2: All right? All right? So I have two like one
Speaker 2: on one statement, one question. So for the first part,
Speaker 2: and I'm a preface by saying I'm not making light of,
Speaker 2: you know, the death of Charlie.
Speaker 1: At all of what I can't hear you the death
Speaker 1: of Charlie Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So but like just a minute ago
Speaker 2: when you were talking about these like the dumbass conspiracy
Speaker 2: theories or whatever, I have a personal favorite, and it's
Speaker 2: it's because this guy just keeps rage faiting people and
Speaker 2: it's working over and over.
Speaker 1: So who's that seeing.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I don't follow them. I
Speaker 2: have no clue who to do it is.
Speaker 3: I don't want to follow them.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not assuming whoever it is is a leftist,
Speaker 2: but he like he ultimately is somewhat making light of
Speaker 2: his of his death. But what he's doing is like
Speaker 2: every I've seen him in like maybe three and I've
Speaker 2: seen like a bunch of these like dumb conspiracy theories
Speaker 2: or whatever. But I've seen him in three separate ones,
Speaker 2: and one of them he got like like fifteen thousand
Speaker 2: likes on his on his post, but he's just making
Speaker 2: shut up. So he took it. He like got a
Speaker 2: screen shot and he and he like like you could
Speaker 2: you can actually just use like a little airbrush on
Speaker 2: on your iPhone camera map and put like what looks
Speaker 2: like smoke. And what he's saying is that what happened
Speaker 2: to Charlie was there was like he's wearing a vest
Speaker 2: and and it exploded underneath his shirt. And and that's
Speaker 2: why I said the whole airbrush thing. So there's like
Speaker 2: this little extra white ship, just a little gray off
Speaker 2: to the off to the right of Charlie's right. He's saying,
Speaker 2: that's what happened, m hm, and it's and it's working,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why. It's so damn funny, like
Speaker 2: just seeing people continues to fall like fall for dumb
Speaker 2: ship like this, but uh, like I mean overall, like
Speaker 2: the complete like the idea that there needs to be
Speaker 2: some and I get, you know, questioning things, but like
Speaker 2: I mean, not everything needs to be either, like Doug
Speaker 2: so far deep into like this matter. So it is
Speaker 2: kind of annoying seeing so many damn people, you know,
Speaker 2: come up with a whole bunch of things like what
Speaker 2: Cannis was saying with those like with the like for
Speaker 2: him possibly being shot from the sewers. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's why that dude when the dude earlier said the
Speaker 2: whole like Candas is taking their schizo pill. I kind
Speaker 2: of agree with because I cannot believe she said that
Speaker 2: that was that was insane. What what was.
Speaker 1: The thing that she said that was crazy?
Speaker 2: Like so there was some sewers or something like something
Speaker 2: like that argument, Yeah, exactly, that's I'm not. I laughed
Speaker 2: hard as hell when I when I saw that video,
Speaker 2: and I cannot believe she uh she like, it's just
Speaker 2: it's just not that deep, you know. But the second part,
Speaker 2: which is again it's it's kind of providential with it.
Speaker 2: We were talking about the whole truck that you know,
Speaker 2: you brought up Old Charlie Kurt thinking men there Ago
Speaker 2: and so and I'm being dead and I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: dead serious when I say this, dude. So I see
Speaker 2: I see you online a lot, you know, people ask like,
Speaker 2: what what is it like? Like I guess the best
Speaker 2: way to put it is a well adjusted black to
Speaker 2: be like around like what you what you see in
Speaker 2: viral video or like the average black person. And I
Speaker 2: and this is actually pretty sad for me personally because
Speaker 2: he's a my life literally lifelong friend. So the day,
Speaker 2: the day happened to Charlie both of them. I got, like,
Speaker 2: we I have a I have a group chat with
Speaker 2: two guys I went to elementary school, middle school, and
Speaker 2: high school with I just I just can't associate with
Speaker 2: anymore man like you know, they were making you know,
Speaker 2: they were talking about you know, he deserved it. They
Speaker 2: called the called him racist and all all type ship.
Speaker 2: I've been going back and forth with them for years
Speaker 2: and obviously as I take a complete opposite position of that,
Speaker 2: and I've been going back and forth with them for
Speaker 2: years over this. I've been destroyed them on the whole
Speaker 2: Trump being racist. The destroyed them on the whole the
Speaker 2: republic Republican establishment actually being racist. Uh Like, obviously, as
Speaker 2: far as we're concerned, they're retarded, they don't actually know
Speaker 2: what's going on. And there's there's a massive amount of
Speaker 2: blacks that don't just completely cyten to believe about, particularly
Speaker 2: by their mothers, that uh, you know, the they're just
Speaker 2: they're racist because they're white. And like so yesterday one
Speaker 2: of one of my guys, he he sent like there
Speaker 2: was the whole thing with eric A. Kirk and Trump
Speaker 2: being on stage.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, I think like that like
Speaker 2: her reaction to it. It does seem kind of weird
Speaker 2: to me. Whatever, but I didn't, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: respond to it. And and the other one of the
Speaker 2: other guys in the group that he just replied just
Speaker 2: like blatantly, you know, Charlie Kirk and I just like
Speaker 2: it's just unbearable, you know. It gets to a point
Speaker 2: where like even though I've known these guys my entire life, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, they've met my kids. I met one of
Speaker 2: their only one of them as a kid, you know
Speaker 2: I've met Is.
Speaker 1: It's just like Cana or do they think she's crazy?
Speaker 2: Well, actually, this is a funny thought, that is off.
Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think they feel
Speaker 2: about Canis?
Speaker 1: I honestly don't have no idea.
Speaker 2: That's that's how they feel about chemist.
Speaker 1: What do you mean it's like, you know, the term
Speaker 1: coon or yeah, but what when a black person says
Speaker 1: that about Candace? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: She's a she's a house in word like like she
Speaker 2: she she feels, I guess like the best word to
Speaker 2: put like she.
Speaker 1: Shields for white like an uncle Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So that's that's that's their position on Candas,
Speaker 2: that's their position on Ben Carson. That's their position, Thomas,
Speaker 2: that's their position. It doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: who it is if and they are leftist, don't like,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, they are like absolutely anti gay,
Speaker 2: anti you know, t where all of that, all of
Speaker 2: that stuff. But above all, right, maybe I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say above all like absolute, but maybe above all they're
Speaker 2: anti white and that's it and that's the truth.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that black people were always this
Speaker 1: way or is it just ramped up nowadays and it
Speaker 1: was more silent like back in the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 1: Because it seems to me like and maybe maybe black
Speaker 1: people were on the down low always against whites, but
Speaker 1: they just didn't outwardly show it. But like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like I remember in the eighties and the nineties, Uh,
Speaker 1: it didn't seem as uh out there, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like the racial divide seems to have been
Speaker 1: really ramped up, not and it was it was it
Speaker 1: this way in the eighties and nineties, and black people
Speaker 1: just didn't vocalize it as much.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wasn't born I'm wait, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm born in two thousands. Ik oh, I can't necessarily speak.
Speaker 2: I can't necessarily.
Speaker 1: Speak to got you like you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but I mean my mother, well I can't
Speaker 2: like that. Obviously my father, he was born and raised
Speaker 2: in Africa. My like my dad is an American. He doesn't,
Speaker 2: he's not. He has nothing against white he definitely has,
Speaker 2: as you can tell by me, like I got it
Speaker 2: from somebody. He's definitely. He doesn't like black American black.
Speaker 2: Let me let me be specific. He doesn't like American black,
Speaker 2: so obviously I don't either. And my mom, my mom
Speaker 2: was never My mom was never racist, though she she
Speaker 2: didn't like Hispanics. Uh, you know, we grew up around
Speaker 2: a lot of them. We like, I came up in poverty,
Speaker 2: so like you know, you're you're in an environment, in
Speaker 2: that type of environment where it's like basically nothing but
Speaker 2: black and Hispanics for Latinos into like a few whites
Speaker 2: here or there. But yeah, she didn't yeh, she didn't
Speaker 2: like Hispanics. But it wasn't a problem for me growing
Speaker 2: up and then till I'm assuming it wasn't, like you know,
Speaker 2: for my mom and obviously my dad. He doesn't really
Speaker 2: have any experience with with whites until he moved to
Speaker 2: France from college. So I don't. Yeah, I don't really know,
Speaker 2: but if I had to guess, I actually would say,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there's a chance that you know, they actually
Speaker 2: they maybe they did always feel this way and just
Speaker 2: over time with like I don't up being golded into
Speaker 2: about media and like other ship like that, maybe it
Speaker 2: just got worse over time. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: entirely sure, but it's it's just gotten to a point
Speaker 2: now where they just did, like it's just really hard
Speaker 2: to coexist. And I'm like, it's kind of weird saying
Speaker 2: that because obviously I'm black, but obviously I don't live
Speaker 2: around these motherfuckers. Man. That that's why I I made
Speaker 2: sure I did enough, Like and I've come up, like
Speaker 2: I said, I'm only twenty five, but and I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not doing a frag thing or whatever. I do
Speaker 2: make a lot of money, so when I was twenty three,
Speaker 2: got my own place, and I don't I don't think
Speaker 2: there's more than what like five bat black families in
Speaker 2: my entire neighborhood. So yeah, you won't see if you
Speaker 2: around these motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Definitely not everybody in the chat says man, I thought
Speaker 1: you were fifty. You were born in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm twenty five years old.
Speaker 1: Dang, I'm out in.
Speaker 2: The chat before.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know how.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think they should be surprised am of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's basically I had. And that's it's not
Speaker 2: like that's super.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: Like I know, I've seeing like hundreds of damps about
Speaker 2: like I left this or whatever, and you people think
Speaker 2: it's just purple hair freaks.
Speaker 5: No, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's normal. It's just normal as hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I appreciate that. I mean, it does seem
Speaker 1: like I agree with people in the chat. Uh, it
Speaker 1: does seem like this has been ramped up because, as
Speaker 1: you guys know, I played basketball all through my youth,
Speaker 1: which meant I was usually one of two white dudes
Speaker 1: on the team. And in the eighties and nineties it
Speaker 1: seemed like pretty much people got along. I mean, I
Speaker 1: lived in California as a kid when I played basketball,
Speaker 1: and I was always on basketball teams with different leagues
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I don't recall much like racial issues. In fact,
Speaker 1: the funny part was where I was black people and
Speaker 1: white people were the minority, and it was all Filipino,
Speaker 1: So I guess the minorities stick together when it's all
Speaker 1: Filipino and there's fewer blacks and whites. And then in
Speaker 1: high school, middle school, in high school there were maybe
Speaker 1: a few more white guys, but still predominantly I think
Speaker 1: black guys on the basketball team, at least that's my memory.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was half and half. I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: But it didn't seem like there was a whole lot
Speaker 1: of racial stuff. I remember in high school at one
Speaker 1: time there was a racial It wasn't a riot. There
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a fight, right, Like, one
Speaker 1: black dude talks smack to a guy at high school.
Speaker 1: His name was Reggie, and Reggie was always trying to
Speaker 1: start fights with people. And then all the red neck
Speaker 1: dudes were like, all right, meet us at the McDonald's
Speaker 1: parking lot. So a bunch of black dudes and a
Speaker 1: bunch of white dude this is a funny story. And
Speaker 1: a bunch of red neck dudes went to the McDonald's
Speaker 1: parking lot to fight, and everybody thought nothing was going
Speaker 1: to happen. But it turns out Reggie brought a baseball
Speaker 1: bat and he cracked one of the red necks over
Speaker 1: the head with a bat, and so this became this
Speaker 1: huge like racial issue, which I mean it was to
Speaker 1: a degree, but I mean, and yeah, hitting a dude
Speaker 1: with a baseball bat is pretty crazy, but like the
Speaker 1: whole town was, so I was all worried about it.
Speaker 1: So they put up I'm not laughing at the dude
Speaker 1: getting his head cracked in because that's that sucks. But
Speaker 1: the town put I don't know, this is so stupid
Speaker 1: that they thought this was going to do that. My
Speaker 1: hometown put up American flags all over the roads everywhere
Speaker 1: because they thought that would remind everybody that we're all Americans.
Speaker 1: It was so gay. It was just like, dude, nobody
Speaker 1: gets a shit on that. But uh, and by the way,
Speaker 1: I wasn't involved that. I was not a redneck in
Speaker 1: high school, right, So if you don't know, like in
Speaker 1: high school, there's clicks, and I was high school in
Speaker 1: the South in Tennessee, so Tennessee story time, that's right.
Speaker 1: Everybody says to everybody has clicks. And like he was
Speaker 1: talking about the the the uncle Tom. Like in high
Speaker 1: school too, you had the black dudes that acted like
Speaker 1: white dudes. I remember there was one one black dude
Speaker 1: that wore a tie every day to high school.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He probably went on to be successful, but he didn't
Speaker 1: act like a black dude, like a super He was
Speaker 1: like a actor like you know, Brian Gumbel type of
Speaker 1: black dude. And then the more thug black dudes, they
Speaker 1: just kind of hung out, you know, stuck to themselves.
Speaker 1: And then there would just be kind of like the
Speaker 1: normal black dudes on the basketball team that I interacted with,
Speaker 1: But I was not in I wasn't a jock, That's
Speaker 1: the thing. Like, I wasn't because jocks would also kind
Speaker 1: of hang out with like the popular black dudes that
Speaker 1: were good at sports.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And in the nineties there wasn't a whole lot of thud.
Speaker 1: There was some thuggery, but it wasn't.
Speaker 7: As many thugs as you might think.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really a jock, uh, because I quit the
Speaker 1: I actually quit the back I would have been a
Speaker 1: jock far I kept playing. I quit the basketball team
Speaker 1: because I wanted I was going to do stand up,
Speaker 1: so I wrote a standard routine and I became a
Speaker 1: thief dude. And yes I'm heterosexual. That story was juicy.
Speaker 1: It is a funny story. It's just like the thought
Speaker 1: of the town, like if we put up American flags
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere, this will solve the racial problems. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: was a theater kid. Yeah. In fact, speaking of let
Speaker 1: me show you this. Y'all want a little bit of
Speaker 1: lore or is just getting stupid? Everybody leaving is too
Speaker 1: much dumb?
Speaker 8: Lord?
Speaker 1: Yeah, check this out, and I'm gonna have a hard
Speaker 1: time convincing you that I'm a heterosexual after I show
Speaker 1: you this. But I had no say in this, even
Speaker 1: though I spent all four years of high school involved
Speaker 1: in I'm talking about intensely involved in theater, speech tournaments,
Speaker 1: drama tournaments all the time. This is my high school
Speaker 1: senior play. My mom found this and she sent it
Speaker 1: to me. And by the way, it's weird because it
Speaker 1: looks absolutely like mint Condition from nineteen ninety seven. Nothing
Speaker 1: has changed, Like here is my senior play, West Side Story,
Speaker 1: And then you can see my name right here. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I autographed my own playbill or bulletin
Speaker 1: or whatever this is. I don't remember. And then I
Speaker 1: see like some other people that I remember from the
Speaker 1: place signed it. But I also think that maybe I
Speaker 1: was making a joke about forging people's names, because I
Speaker 1: don't understand why they would have signed my playbill in
Speaker 1: a pencil, and it looks like somebody tried to sign
Speaker 1: it twice. Anyway, it just doesn't make any I don't
Speaker 1: remember what was going on. But yeah, here's my West
Speaker 1: Side story. And the funny thing about this which will
Speaker 1: get me canceled, is that I was Bernardo. So you're
Speaker 1: familiar with webside story, which I don't care for. I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of stupid. It's just Romeo and Juliet
Speaker 1: uh with wasps and Puerto Ricans or Cubans. Are they
Speaker 1: Cuban or Puerto Rican? I don't remember what the story is.
Speaker 1: But when y'all red jet, y'all rad jet all the
Speaker 1: way from your first cigar rat to y'all last die
Speaker 1: in day, so I got to be by the way
Speaker 1: in brown face. People don't know this. I was in
Speaker 1: brown face because in the nineties nobody even thought anything
Speaker 1: about it. Like if I was going to play the
Speaker 1: villain Bernardo, well, I had to be brown because Cubans
Speaker 1: or Puerto Ricans or whatever, right, So I had brown face.
Speaker 1: And anyway, that's my story. It's that's so pretty much
Speaker 1: all I remember. I'm just so was surprised that this
Speaker 1: has has nowhere and tear whatsoever. It's just it's like perfectly,
Speaker 1: it looks like you're about to go see the play.
Speaker 1: By the way, Westside sorts stuck. Sucks to you, by
Speaker 1: the way, it's annoying. Now somebody's got a super chat
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Speaker 1: thank you guys. When y'all right, jet, y'all right, jet
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Speaker 1: last time day. I don't remember those lyrics, and uh,
Speaker 1: I think we I can't remember does Bernardo sing that
Speaker 1: that part? I can't remember. I know the Wasp guys
Speaker 1: sing it, which, by the way, it's really funny if
Speaker 1: you think about it, because it's super gay to think
Speaker 1: about dance fighting, think about gang's dance fighting. It's just funny.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then if you watch I was
Speaker 1: watching Jacko's uh not thriller. What's it? What's what's Jacko's song?
Speaker 2: The Air?
Speaker 1: The beat It beat that. Yes, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is West Side story. And if you look at by
Speaker 1: the way, we did have that. We did have to dance.
Speaker 1: I don't remember doing no gay dance though, but we
Speaker 1: did have to do this scene. Oh so I guess
Speaker 1: I did have to do this scene because the Wasps
Speaker 1: they do their dance against the Cubans or the Puerto Ricans,
Speaker 1: whatever they are. Right, So you got the Wasps, They're
Speaker 1: coming over here doing that white boy dance, right, And
Speaker 1: then I think we need to teach the gangsters dance fighting,
Speaker 1: and then gangs would stop fighting. If we just had
Speaker 1: a bunch of gay boys leading the gangs and doing
Speaker 1: dance fighting, bro, then we wouldn't have gang problem, no
Speaker 1: more gang wars.
Speaker 9: Dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see that's me. That's I was Bernardo and then
Speaker 1: the lot gang is all. They're all getting up on
Speaker 1: my face right trying to trying to outdance me. You're
Speaker 1: about to make a mistake, son, You're gonna outdance me.
Speaker 2: Huh huh.
Speaker 1: A little troop of twelve gay gay boys trying to
Speaker 1: outdance me. Shit, hell no, but no, but I had
Speaker 1: the exact outfit though I had a purple shirt and
Speaker 1: a tie. I was freaking and brown face. I was
Speaker 1: straight up Bernardo. What's wrong with the internet is internet out?
Speaker 1: Can y'all see me? How the hell did we get
Speaker 1: to talk about West Side Story from we were talking
Speaker 1: about NATO Cognitive Warfare. By the way, I found this video.
Speaker 1: I forgot about this one. Here's a twelve minute video
Speaker 1: on the NATO Cognitive Warfare document. So there's that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there was a point here's me. Actually West Side Story
Speaker 1: was written by Arthur Lawrence, but the music and the
Speaker 1: lyrics are by son Time and Bernstein, so I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know who Arthur Lawrence is, but it does
Speaker 1: kind of have a I guess it's an anti wasp
Speaker 1: immigrant type of message because Maria falls in love with
Speaker 1: the the white gang or the guy who's adjacent to
Speaker 1: the gang. Right. Anyway, this is all stupid shit. Who
Speaker 1: cares about West Side Story? Talaho? What's up? By the way,
Speaker 1: that's actually been spoofed. If you remember, in Flight of
Speaker 1: the Concords, they had a good skit about this where
Speaker 1: they were gonna have a gang fight, but it was
Speaker 1: gonna be a gang fight like West Side Story, which
Speaker 1: is a dance fight. And also remember the show with
Speaker 1: Mister Mister Show with Bob and Dave. I think they
Speaker 1: did a similar type of spoof. It's just a funny
Speaker 1: idea though, like gangs dance fighting. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: where they spoof anyway. What's up? Man? We lost you? Vincent?
Speaker 1: What's up? Mark's as for five dollars? Are you reprising
Speaker 1: your role in West Side Story for a performance for
Speaker 1: the Pope at the Vatican? Yes, because I will be
Speaker 1: stripping off that purple layer shirt that you saw, and
Speaker 1: we all know what happens when hot men like myself
Speaker 1: strip off shirts in front of the Pope, things get
Speaker 1: a little, a little spicy. What's up?
Speaker 2: How come?
Speaker 1: Remember he keeps dropping off? Tell you what's up? Dude?
Speaker 1: Living laughing? I'm madicey, I'm dye. See all the songs
Speaker 1: are coming back to me now, even though I hate,
Speaker 1: absolutely hate this musical. What's up? I'm mute, dude? What's
Speaker 1: on your mind?
Speaker 10: I heard that one black guy was talking about the
Speaker 10: racial experience with three whites.
Speaker 3: Started to listen to the full thing. But I would
Speaker 3: love to talk about like my experience as.
Speaker 2: A black Christian, how.
Speaker 11: Blessed black people becoming Christian there is I don't know.
Speaker 1: Less less of them? Yes, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 10: So because I'm an Orthodox Catechulan, I go to a Greek.
Speaker 3: Church and I was mentioned this to my priests about.
Speaker 12: A couple of things about the black community and African
Speaker 12: Orthodox Church.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of about that. About
Speaker 2: what now the African Orthodox Church?
Speaker 1: I have that.
Speaker 10: I was telling my priests about how it started by
Speaker 10: this like Anglican.
Speaker 12: Bishop who left Episcopalian or stuff like that because of racism,
Speaker 12: but he's wanted to join Orthodoxy because of there was
Speaker 12: no racism, right, but he made us all denomination called
Speaker 12: an Orthodox. So like I told my priest, like why
Speaker 12: he didn't become Orthodoxy make a movement of black people
Speaker 12: converning Orthodoxy is beyond me, but I.
Speaker 2: Have them the idea. M hm.
Speaker 1: So do you do you have any other black days? There?
Speaker 1: Are you the only black dude at the Greek church?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a couple of black guys.
Speaker 2: Actually, we talked about.
Speaker 4: Our experience with Christianity.
Speaker 10: But I literally told my priests growing up, always here
Speaker 10: you go to a white.
Speaker 2: Church or a black church.
Speaker 3: He was bath but it was like what.
Speaker 1: We used to know. We used to have one of
Speaker 1: these dudes from Africa who goes to an African Orthodox church.
Speaker 1: He used to call in all the time. I think
Speaker 1: he's one of these guys.
Speaker 2: It was like I was telling my priests, is like,
Speaker 2: you know, I hear.
Speaker 13: A lot of black atheists arguments about TikTok and suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Well, I was like, you know, and one of the
Speaker 12: stuff they objections to this stuff is the objections to
Speaker 12: the Baptist.
Speaker 3: And Pentecostal churches.
Speaker 8: I was like, even though you guys arguments.
Speaker 3: Suck, I could kind of.
Speaker 2: Get where you're coming from.
Speaker 12: Because a lot of them churches are atheist factory.
Speaker 1: Right right right? Yeah exactly. Yeah. Well, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: glad you found Orthodoxy. That's good to hear. I noticed
Speaker 1: when we were at the Ludwell conference there was like
Speaker 1: at least eight or ten black dudes there, which it
Speaker 1: surprised me. I didn't expect to see a bunch of
Speaker 1: black dudes there. But I appreciate your comments today and
Speaker 1: what's up, Hbrises, You want to say something about that?
Speaker 2: No, I left one thing out because I realized, you know,
Speaker 2: I answered that I didn't. I couldn't. I can't really
Speaker 2: speak to you know what's happened. Maybe you know, blacks
Speaker 2: having us underlying you know, hatred white in years past,
Speaker 2: but as far as my life time, they always have.
Speaker 2: I'm talking from a very young age, like very very
Speaker 2: young age. The second grade. I had a kid named
Speaker 2: heart h r T spelled spelled like that. He got suspended.
Speaker 2: I'm like, he stood up in class, he got like
Speaker 2: there was some some some small confrontation between him and
Speaker 2: him and the teacher, our teach him is part and
Speaker 2: he literally shouted to the top of as lung as
Speaker 2: I hate white people. I'm not making this up. I
Speaker 2: swear to God.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So like we were seven, obviously we were second grade.
Speaker 2: We were seven, yeah, seven years old at that point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it started and started home, and they keep
Speaker 2: it with him, you know, as they get older. And
Speaker 2: I had the idea one work thing. Yeah, And obviously
Speaker 2: I'm everybody against everybody on Twitter at least can clearly
Speaker 2: tell I'm heterosexual. My son is literally laying on my
Speaker 2: chest in my profile picture. But I took dance in
Speaker 2: eighty three and I wound up like failing the very
Speaker 2: last I saignment because there was there was a part
Speaker 2: of a dance where you had to do a hip hop.
Speaker 2: I wasn't doing that, ship man. It's basically like shaking
Speaker 2: your ass, So I'm not I'm not doing that.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I only brought that up because you know, you were
Speaker 2: doing the whole you were talking about the whole love.
Speaker 1: You know you're the senior play west Side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it was fun all right, man?
Speaker 15: That was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny. I mean so basically h Broseley saying
Speaker 1: he was not Tupac because if you watch those clips
Speaker 1: of Tupac, Tupac seems a little a little light in
Speaker 1: his loafers. Anyway, Oh, I forgot to play the rest
Speaker 1: of this clip here. I got totally distracted. Did you
Speaker 1: did you want to say something to fother dickon Arrow
Speaker 1: became a member or has been a member, He says,
Speaker 1: will you bring me up? I am an icon of
Speaker 1: the father, Yes, father Diagon. Do you want to say something?
Speaker 2: Well, at least you didn't grow up like doing what
Speaker 2: was the mc hammer dance? Do you know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: The like where he like.
Speaker 16: Like like all these dances like in the late eighties.
Speaker 2: Like the Running Man Roger Rabbit.
Speaker 1: No, I remember, No, we did the Bart Simpson and
Speaker 1: the Roger Rabbit. I grew up with that because I
Speaker 1: was in California. I grew up at that time in California.
Speaker 8: Actually I said, at least like that was better that
Speaker 8: that was actually a better time.
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah, I don't even remember. How do you
Speaker 1: do this? Let's let's say, here's the black dude is
Speaker 1: going to show us how to do it.
Speaker 2: How do you do.
Speaker 1: You know to do the bark Simpson. So when I
Speaker 1: was in like fifth grade in California, this is what
Speaker 1: everybody's trying.
Speaker 2: To do to the bar.
Speaker 17: An that time, Simpsons were a brand new bar Simpson
Speaker 17: was the man.
Speaker 2: He was the home boy.
Speaker 1: Would do that sort of like he would like shuffle
Speaker 1: and it looks like he's start out.
Speaker 17: We're going to go side the legs first. Let's start
Speaker 17: with the legs right center together. So we're going to
Speaker 17: try and.
Speaker 1: You're not an authority over black people when it comes
Speaker 1: to dances. So this this, this black man is going
Speaker 1: to do the Roger Rabbit and show us up. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that's what it was. I think I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of the Running Man. No, what's the other one?
Speaker 1: I just went blank.
Speaker 2: Did you say Roger Rabbit or the two?
Speaker 1: There's another one that I can't remember of or I
Speaker 1: can't think of. Uh do you not do the Cupid shuffle?
Speaker 1: We went to? So this is a funny story. When
Speaker 1: I when I was about ten years ago and uh
Speaker 1: my stepbrother was getting married and we were at it
Speaker 1: was a pretty big wedding and everybody I know, I
Speaker 1: mean not the like senior citizens, boomers, but like everyone
Speaker 1: gen X and under millennial. When the Cupid shuffle came on, everyone,
Speaker 1: all white people got up and did this dance, and
Speaker 1: it blew my mind. I was like, how do all
Speaker 1: of these white people in Tennessee know how to do
Speaker 1: this Cupid scheff?
Speaker 2: I got another one for you, criss cross can make
Speaker 2: you jump jump?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay. Anyway, so I guess the white people
Speaker 1: have been watching the instructional videos from this black guy
Speaker 1: on how to do the keep it shuffles. All of
Speaker 1: my family knew how to do this, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? How did anybody learn this? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Kick kick to the left, to the left to the
Speaker 1: right to the right anyway, it's a popular wedding dance.
Speaker 2: What's up, icon, Hey Jay, how's going. I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm good, So I believe it or not.
Speaker 15: I was gonna call in and talk about Trump because
Speaker 15: he did something extremely illegal. But since you had like
Speaker 15: a couple of black guys on, I just want.
Speaker 2: To let you know.
Speaker 15: I'm also a black guy, and our church has a
Speaker 15: couple of black people who know exactly who you are,
Speaker 15: and they joined Orthodoxy because of you.
Speaker 4: WHOA.
Speaker 15: I just want to Yeah, I wanted to let you know, like, yes, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta even word pass from me.
Speaker 2: So that's one two.
Speaker 15: I'm gonna let you know, like you're the biggest reason
Speaker 15: for like why most of the black people in our
Speaker 15: church converted. So like don't let nobody who's weird like
Speaker 15: let you know, Like, oh, like it doesn't work combating stupid.
Speaker 2: No, like you actually converted a lot of our church.
Speaker 4: Since like twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: One, Like our church has like exploded.
Speaker 2: Like quadruple.
Speaker 1: Somebody said we're collecting homies.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, we would be a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's funny. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Er wait wait, wait, I have one one more things.
Speaker 2: I want to. This is the important one that.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 4: So it was about Trump.
Speaker 15: I don't know if you know too much about tech,
Speaker 15: but apparently in video is like a monopolistic corporate.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest AI.
Speaker 15: Yes, so apparently they tried to buy Intail. They pumped
Speaker 15: five billion dollars into Intail.
Speaker 2: I heard about that, so if you look on.
Speaker 15: I don't remember the page, but Trump has a speech
Speaker 15: about breaking in video up and then apparently he found
Speaker 15: out in video was powerful and had a lot of money,
Speaker 15: so he decided not to do it. So he actually
Speaker 15: pumped fifty billion dollars into in video right now, So
Speaker 15: they invested in a monopolistic corporation. So I don't know
Speaker 15: if you know too much about that, but like what
Speaker 15: he's doing right now, and I think he did that
Speaker 15: because all the other bs is going on, so he
Speaker 15: just did that in secret and nobody's saying anything about it.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's new to me, but I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1: But also I think one of the other things that
Speaker 1: Trump did that I didn't really care for was they
Speaker 1: got really heavily into all coins and then because originally
Speaker 1: it was big coin, Strategic reserve and all that, which
Speaker 1: is good, and then suddenly it's like, oh, we're also
Speaker 1: going to have World Liberty coin, and we're going to
Speaker 1: have this other coin and that coin and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff, which what happens is a Milania coin and
Speaker 1: these end up being like rug pulls, right, So that
Speaker 1: was that was a sus stuff there, So I'm not surprised, Matt.
Speaker 1: Let's see, we're not doing tag stuff, So if you
Speaker 1: want to ask me tag questions, I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: in the move for that agent. What's up? But you
Speaker 1: can all learn to do the Cupid shuffle, what's up?
Speaker 4: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 18: Jay?
Speaker 13: I was listening to your live stream the other day
Speaker 13: and I think you and father Anna and I were
Speaker 13: write about the modern dating.
Speaker 2: I'm twenty eight, so man can't just point at woman.
Speaker 13: And say it's all her fault because that's what Adam did, right,
Speaker 13: So we obviously learned from Saint Adam's lesson and we.
Speaker 2: Don't repeat that.
Speaker 13: But so kind of a different perspective I want to
Speaker 13: offer is like life moves so fast.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to.
Speaker 13: School, I work, I'm writing a novel. So it seems
Speaker 13: like there's just not time to.
Speaker 4: Interact with women.
Speaker 13: So I don't know that. I just kind of wanted
Speaker 13: to offer that perspective. It's not so much finger pointing
Speaker 13: at women and saying they're the problem. I guess it's
Speaker 13: just growing up and not having much time to interact
Speaker 13: with them.
Speaker 1: Now, I thought I thought about this today. Actually, funny
Speaker 1: you said that because I was thinking, well, because I
Speaker 1: was listening to this guy who makes videos on the
Speaker 1: attitudes and morals of different class structures, so you know,
Speaker 1: working class, lower class, upper middle class, wealthy class. This
Speaker 1: guy makes interesting videos on class attitudes, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about how things that were more normative for lower
Speaker 1: classes become normal as the economy declines for all the classes,
Speaker 1: even the upper class. Oddly enough, because well, I guess
Speaker 1: there's different reasons for it. But it's called prole drift
Speaker 1: p ro l e proll from Proletariat or you know
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four when Orwell talks about the proles, that's
Speaker 1: the working class. And so I meant to actually mention
Speaker 1: this guy's video, but one of the things he talked
Speaker 1: about is the attitudes of dating and courting and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff in the different social strata and
Speaker 1: the different classes. So he's a finance bro, so it's
Speaker 1: not Marxist class warfare. He's just like a finance dude
Speaker 1: that analyzes class attitudes. And I was thinking about that because, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if you if you're a young guy and
Speaker 1: you don't have money, then you might not want to
Speaker 1: You're not You're probably not going to focus on chicks
Speaker 1: because you don't have the ability to really set that
Speaker 1: up right, So you might want to focus on building
Speaker 1: a business, getting financially situated, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 8: For sure, Hey, can I add something so, you know,
Speaker 8: talk to some of the young guys to They said,
Speaker 8: of Z.
Speaker 2: Generation guys, they feel.
Speaker 16: A tremendous pressure to get married right away, and we
Speaker 16: need to as clergy, we have to address that. Like
Speaker 16: you said, I guess we could kind of maybe I
Speaker 16: don't know, we call her in maybe can kind of
Speaker 16: talk about that, like do you feel that, what are
Speaker 16: the kind of reasons why, because really you need to
Speaker 16: kind of, like as Jay was saying, you know, the
Speaker 16: young guys need to kind of work on becoming men
Speaker 16: and becoming established so they have something to offer the women.
Speaker 16: But all the young guys I've talked to you are
Speaker 16: like paralyzed that, like they have to find a wife
Speaker 16: right away.
Speaker 1: No, everything has been delayed, right, So what younger generations
Speaker 1: would have done thirty four years ago at age twenty five,
Speaker 1: people are now doing at age thirty five and forty.
Speaker 1: So that's just a necessity. And one thing that this
Speaker 1: finance bro says that I'd not really thought about was,
Speaker 1: although we can't make everything socioeconomic factors, socioeconomic factors do
Speaker 1: actually play a pretty big role in a lot of this.
Speaker 1: For example, one reason why people don't get married younger
Speaker 1: is that they don't have the income and the stability
Speaker 1: that boomers had when they were you working a lifetime job.
Speaker 1: They were going to live in one city. That was
Speaker 1: still normal back at the time of the boomer era
Speaker 1: when they were getting married, buying a house and so forth.
Speaker 1: That's a lot harder nowadays because what's been normalized is
Speaker 1: gig economy. You're going to move probably ten times in
Speaker 1: your life. Right, it's a lot different. So what that
Speaker 1: means is that unfortunate people and myself included, Right, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty much on the edge of millennial and Gen X,
Speaker 1: so I can kind of shift between both like a
Speaker 1: reptilian shape shifter. Gross exactly, I can be what I
Speaker 1: need to be.
Speaker 2: I should have qualified that. By the way, not all
Speaker 2: Zoomers think that way.
Speaker 8: It's Orthodox zoomers because you look at other Zoomers and
Speaker 8: I don't want anything to do with marriage, right. But
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to figure this out because you know,
Speaker 8: is gen x or I feel the pressure of getting
Speaker 8: married like and so is it just something right?
Speaker 1: But you weren't Orthodox when you were that age.
Speaker 2: I know That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: through Mike. Is that just because I was an Orthodox?
Speaker 8: What is it about young guys becoming Orthodox or like,
Speaker 8: I've got to get married like as fast as possible.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess because they think, you know, either going
Speaker 1: to be in monastic life or married life. So because
Speaker 1: I wake up every day with a boner, I got
Speaker 1: to get married, right. So but I would say the
Speaker 1: end of the world, yeah, I would say probably a
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to have to. It's probably
Speaker 1: gonna take a little while to get situated because the
Speaker 1: world is so different. This guy has an interesting point here,
Speaker 1: So here let's listen to what he says here. Prole
Speaker 1: drift is the idea that what is usually or what
Speaker 1: has been norms for the poor class, the working poor, uh,
Speaker 1: the precarious precarious class, which is interesting, that's that's also
Speaker 1: a class, and the blue collar people. Their norms become
Speaker 1: gradually the norms of the higher strata over time as
Speaker 1: the economy gets bad, which is fascinating.
Speaker 19: Only the process which behaviors, norms, and aesthetics that originate
Speaker 19: from the proletariat, so like the working class or the
Speaker 19: precariates most likely spread upward into the middle or even
Speaker 19: the upper classes. In modern times, since we developed welfare state,
Speaker 19: a lot of negative social trends, often from the dependent classes,
Speaker 19: trickle up into the precario and working classes and work
Speaker 19: their way up there. Instead of trickle down aspiration, where
Speaker 19: people try to aspire to achieve the goals and status
Speaker 19: symbols of those above them, or try to live like
Speaker 19: the ways the people of the upper classes. People tend
Speaker 19: to cope with the chance the odds they'll never make
Speaker 19: it up there and they've lost the status and the
Speaker 19: class of their upbringing, so they adopt and reband the
Speaker 19: lower class behavior as a lifestyle choice. It starts to
Speaker 19: downward social mobility, which leads to esthetic or ideological reframing.
Speaker 19: The normalization that behavior leads to further downward mobility and
Speaker 19: often can be a doom spiral.
Speaker 1: So another thing that is relevant here is that he
Speaker 1: points out that a lot of the things that are
Speaker 1: actually socially engineered behaviors like tiny living, austerity, and minimalism,
Speaker 1: those are actually signs not of lifestyle choices, but poverty
Speaker 1: and economic decline. Speaking of the US economy in general, Yes,
Speaker 1: I will link the video. Don't worry, and you don't
Speaker 1: need to worry about my I don't understand these people
Speaker 1: coming to the chather like they want to know all
Speaker 1: about my personal life. Just you can just assuage your
Speaker 1: consciences and your desire to expose me by I'm going
Speaker 1: to go ahead and tell you I am in a
Speaker 1: Panamanian drug lord cult and I work for the KGB
Speaker 1: and it's all fake. So there you go.
Speaker 2: No, you should set up like.
Speaker 8: A special membership for people who like paid two three
Speaker 8: thousand dollars and then you can actually go over all
Speaker 8: the private details of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to figure out how to monetize the deep,
Speaker 1: dark secrets of my life. Let's see, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: want to I'm thinking of a Panamanian drug lord with
Speaker 1: one of those one of those hats, like a drug
Speaker 1: lord hat, like a nor Jega type of dude, but
Speaker 1: not a kernel hat like a hey man.
Speaker 8: I lived in Panama, Thank Hulu man, think it easy?
Speaker 1: Panama, Panama? What's uh?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're asking me how many kids I have? The real
Speaker 1: question is how many illegitimate kids do I have?
Speaker 19: It usually originates from economic necessity, not freshly. Why all
Speaker 19: these people adopted these quote unquote trashies adopting certain lifestyle
Speaker 19: example traits. The most blatant example, which we've been talking
Speaker 19: about in several videos recently, is marriage. The idea of
Speaker 19: marriage being optional is more that marriage is inaccessible. The
Speaker 19: narrative adopters you don't need to get married to validate
Speaker 19: your relationship. The reality is that median income individuals can
Speaker 19: no longer afford to marry or support a household in
Speaker 19: the traditional way in a high cost of living city.
Speaker 19: As a result, marriage has become a status good and
Speaker 19: achievement for unlocking financial stability, and not a starting point.
Speaker 19: Instead of saying I can't afford to get married, yet
Speaker 19: you say I don't want marriage to cope with the
Speaker 19: fact you may never be able to afford the wedding
Speaker 19: you dream of. The other one is this idea of
Speaker 19: several alternative lifestyles. The traditional thing is, especially for men
Speaker 19: and most generations, is that I want to get an
Speaker 19: education and work hard so that I can make enough
Speaker 19: money to provide for a stay at home wife, has
Speaker 19: a few kids and give them a better life.
Speaker 3: Than I had.
Speaker 19: And that was able to work for several generations in
Speaker 19: American history, mostly in the mid twentieth century. When I
Speaker 19: can I have force has changed and it became more
Speaker 19: difficult and impossible to achieve that a lot of people
Speaker 19: instead of saying, oh, I can't really afford to have
Speaker 19: the traditional family lifestyle, I'll try to invalidate and say, oh,
Speaker 19: I never wanted that. I want a more alternative lifestyle
Speaker 19: with more free expression.
Speaker 1: I can. Yeah. And he's pointing out that like it's
Speaker 1: sold as if it's freedom and bohemian lifestyle and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, when it's actually cultural engineering and it's from
Speaker 1: the top down. Anyway, he doesn't get conspiratorial with it,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of basically what he's saying. He gives
Speaker 1: a bunch of examples of things that for example, car culture,
Speaker 1: monster trucks, you know, people getting their you know, trucks
Speaker 1: jacked up, the obsession with pit bulls, people being really
Speaker 1: interested in bizarre things like bowling, leagues, acts, throwing like
Speaker 1: a lot of these, everybody dressing down casual all the time.
Speaker 1: He lists a bunch of things that are really interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play this whole video, but if you
Speaker 1: want to check it out, it was It was an
Speaker 1: interesting cultural analysis. And he was also talking about how,
Speaker 1: you know, marriage usually took a degree of money and stability,
Speaker 1: and so as the economy declines, that just automatically makes
Speaker 1: marriage more and more difficult. So yeah, here's the here's
Speaker 1: the Panama jackat I don't know why I can't think
Speaker 1: of Panama Jack, which also I think functions as an
Speaker 1: nice drug lord chic sort of hat. So this is
Speaker 1: this is my real attire. Also, do you know about
Speaker 1: the Disney adults. Isn't this interesting because we did podcasts
Speaker 1: some I don't know, ten years ago where we talked
Speaker 1: about this would be the future where people would begin
Speaker 1: to adopt theme park lifestyles they would actually want to
Speaker 1: live in theme parks, and I'm still predicting that as
Speaker 1: things get crazier, you're actually gonna have communities that eventually
Speaker 1: evolved and developed from this pop culture gibberish. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna have people going and living in Star Wars world.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have people living in Harry Potter World. I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding. We're already getting what the Pope of the
Speaker 1: future predicted almost ten years ago, target cities and Walmart cities.
Speaker 1: They're building high rises now on top of targets and Walmart's,
Speaker 1: Sam's Clubs, etc. So just wait, we're not far from
Speaker 1: this is the phase before it. Disney Adults.
Speaker 14: This is just a small selection of YouTube shorts with
Speaker 14: the tag Disney bound Today.
Speaker 1: We're Disney bounding as a character from Aladdin.
Speaker 14: If you don't know, Disney says costume and costume masks
Speaker 14: may not be worn in the park. Disney Bounding is
Speaker 14: the enthusiastic way to get around it if you are
Speaker 14: bound for Disney.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the Internet keeps cutting out acting weird.
Speaker 1: Today the stream seems to be good, so at least
Speaker 1: it's not cutting out. Okay, So now there's Disney Adults
Speaker 1: which is, by the way, we're in Florida, so I'm
Speaker 1: aware of this. In fact, we were just talking about
Speaker 1: people who live this Disney line not too long ago,
Speaker 1: and I noticed it the last time that I went
Speaker 1: to Disney, which was several years ago. But I noticed,
Speaker 1: why are all these weird adults seemingly obsessed with this?
Speaker 1: Were you gonna say.
Speaker 8: Something, hey, so you know I came from it back
Speaker 8: in Anaheim, the original Disney, not the fake version for it.
Speaker 2: What's up with the club in your place?
Speaker 1: You're John? We can't hear you. It's super bad, static, John. No,
Speaker 1: Club Club thirty three is a quasi Masonic secret society.
Speaker 1: Even though Walt himself wasn't a Freemason. He was I
Speaker 1: think in demo let when he was a kid, and
Speaker 1: he sort of utilized this idea of Disney having its
Speaker 1: own sort of secret society called Club thirty three. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if there's not something nefarious about it.
Speaker 1: But what were we gonna say?
Speaker 8: Well, I was just wondering if they had one over
Speaker 8: in Florida, because they had one in Disneyland, a Club three.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they have one at both of them.
Speaker 1: I know there's I know about the one you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like a just a single door, like
Speaker 1: it's a secret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta pay much of money to get in.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it could be nefarious or could
Speaker 1: just be like another monetary scam, you know, scamming people
Speaker 1: that pay exorbitant amounts of money to be in Club
Speaker 1: thirty three or whatever.
Speaker 14: But Walt weirdo Disney freak. I was shocked to learn
Speaker 14: that the term Disney adult is so new. You can
Speaker 14: find the phrase as early as nineteen ninety two and
Speaker 14: in a guide book a year later, but both are
Speaker 14: largely in the context of a full Disney family. The
Speaker 14: modern sensibility is the Urban Dictionary definition a millennial adult
Speaker 14: with or without kids that can't stop talking about Disney.
Speaker 1: What a weird dystopian situation. This is crazy, John, Did
Speaker 1: you want to try again? All right? So the internet's
Speaker 1: just not one to work, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: No? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, Club thirty three. So there was a restaurant.
Speaker 20: I mean, I'm sure it's still there, but there was
Speaker 20: a restaurant right next to Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: The secret room was where Club thirty three was.
Speaker 20: And as far as I know, like you guys were saying,
Speaker 20: it's like kind of a exclusive, like you know, you
Speaker 20: just pay a higher price to get in there.
Speaker 4: And but I had a friend who got in.
Speaker 20: A fight at Disneyland one time, and there is a
Speaker 20: Disneyland underground yeah.
Speaker 1: And because yeah tunnels.
Speaker 20: Yeah, he got in a fight at Disneyland and they
Speaker 20: they immediately knew where the fight was happening and all
Speaker 20: swarmed on him and took him. And this is from
Speaker 20: his description. He got taken into an underground tunnel and
Speaker 20: then it led to another side of the park and
Speaker 20: the cops were waiting there to pick him up and
Speaker 20: take him to jail.
Speaker 2: Oh, it gets crazier than that. They have actually underground.
Speaker 2: They have a morgue and jail cells.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like we called growing up at Disney and we
Speaker 8: called it the DA.
Speaker 2: This is an analogien's agency because they had little things
Speaker 2: like there.
Speaker 16: Yeah, they have cameras and and then they're like.
Speaker 2: They got in a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 8: I can't remember. It was probably about twenty five thirty
Speaker 8: years ago. Somebody died and they just handled it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I remember the person of the body and the morgue
Speaker 8: and the police were like, what do you mean you
Speaker 8: handled They're like, well.
Speaker 2: We're just for the d for the DIA. We just
Speaker 2: dealt with it.
Speaker 1: No, you're not actually far from the truth in the
Speaker 1: sense that I mean Disneyland actually has its own police,
Speaker 1: they have their own constitution, and they're actually legally kind
Speaker 1: of a state within a state, believe it or not exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's because build Onovan and the CAA actually helped
Speaker 1: Walt procure the land in Florida, So that's why they
Speaker 1: have this really special status. Going back a.
Speaker 20: Long time, the speaking to this, the stuff earlier pertaining
Speaker 20: to I can't remember what the guy called in about,
Speaker 20: but like cybernetics and Gregory beats, and they were even
Speaker 20: doing tests on like the way newspaper articles traveled between people.
Speaker 20: And what they would do is they would plant certain
Speaker 20: newspaper articles in certain neighborhoods and they would see how
Speaker 20: and they would see how fast it traveled by word
Speaker 20: of mouth. And that's like the early development of cybernetics
Speaker 20: and information travel is they were even doing it even
Speaker 20: before any sort of digital scape or internet or anything.
Speaker 20: They were already seeing how fast and stories and newspapers
Speaker 20: that they purposely planted would travel by word of mouth
Speaker 20: and if it would make it back to like their
Speaker 20: agent that they had planted in a in a.
Speaker 2: Neighborhood or something, that's crazy.
Speaker 20: Yeah, that's that's like in the forties when they were
Speaker 20: doing that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so like all the you.
Speaker 20: Know, what's the uh, what's the book I'm thinking of
Speaker 20: Ecology of the Mind by Greg Ray Bates and he
Speaker 20: kind of talks about that in there, and they were, yeah,
Speaker 20: like all the stuff you're talking about, you know, Rand
Speaker 20: Corporation in uh what the Mind has no firewall?
Speaker 2: Yes, and all those.
Speaker 20: Papers, that stuff once it gets into the digital scape.
Speaker 2: And I know this sounds wild. It doesn't sound wild.
Speaker 20: To you guys, but they tested all that stuff out
Speaker 20: in the real world first, and the speed of information
Speaker 20: as it traveled from person to person by way of
Speaker 20: newspaper and television and radio, and that's how they were
Speaker 20: able to develop information speed in the digital world.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This article says Walt did not hire the CIA
Speaker 1: to help him build Disney World. Not exactly. However, he
Speaker 1: hired two CIA members, Paul Hallowell and Bill Donovan, to
Speaker 1: strategically acquire the real estate under the names of numerous
Speaker 1: fake companies. Donova's law firm was set up as Reedy
Speaker 1: Creek Ranch Corporation, enabling Disney to buy the entirety of
Speaker 1: the property for an average of only a few hundred
Speaker 1: dollars acre. So again, from the very inception of Disney,
Speaker 1: it was a CIA operation. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: you see such a close connection between it and the
Speaker 1: Semen's Corporation, which builds Epcot and is the sponsor of Epcot,
Speaker 1: and why there's so many weird, you know, mind control
Speaker 1: in chault type stuff that's been there from the beginning
Speaker 1: with Disney. Now, I don't know that that means that
Speaker 1: Walt himself was like super deep involved and do everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of these people I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: he might have been a weirdo. He seems a little
Speaker 1: bit of an oddball, but I don't know that he
Speaker 1: himself was some you know, super mk ultra handler type
Speaker 1: of person. I think more so probably what Disney is
Speaker 1: is a way, as Gregory bates And said, to capture
Speaker 1: the imagination, rather than being a promoter of creativity and
Speaker 1: the imagination. Gregory eights And said if you really wanted to.
Speaker 1: And he was one of the mk Ultra operatives. He said,
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to control people, you have to
Speaker 1: capture their imagination. So I think that that's the role
Speaker 1: that Disney plays, which is cultural engineering and in that sense,
Speaker 1: mind control on a mass scale more so than like
Speaker 1: if you remember that movie Escape from Tomorrow Land or
Speaker 1: so Escape Escape from Tomorrow, Escape From It's a good
Speaker 1: independent movie that is pretty creepy and in many ways
Speaker 1: kind of predicted the trick that the Disney would take
Speaker 1: and did take some of It's pretty dark, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna warn you if you do intend to
Speaker 1: watch it. It's a really well done indie film. Is
Speaker 1: that Make sure I got the title right? Yeah? This
Speaker 1: is Escape from Tomorrow and it's a it's about this
Speaker 1: family that goes. It's all black and white, really weird,
Speaker 1: creepy stuff starts happening. There's a lot of references to
Speaker 1: m k LT mind control stuff, kids disappear. A lot
Speaker 1: of the stories that you hear, you know, the sort
Speaker 1: of nefarious things you hear about Disney, are in the film.
Speaker 1: And I won't spoil it for you, but it is
Speaker 1: is pretty wild. Supposedly the movie was acts was made
Speaker 1: in Disney without Disney's approval. I'm not sure I believe that, because,
Speaker 1: as John says, yeah, anything that happens in Disney like
Speaker 1: they're they're immediately on it. And I've noticed that too.
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, when I was there, there's cameras everywhere.
Speaker 1: They know everything happening in the in the in the park.
Speaker 1: So I tend to think that that's probably not true
Speaker 1: that this movie was made with some tacit underground approval.
Speaker 1: But there's one very revealing thing in the movie that
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spoil that has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with the gender propaganda that goes on. That's actually in
Speaker 1: Escape from Tomorrow if you pay attention. So I didn't
Speaker 1: want to play a little bit of this.
Speaker 21: I forgot to be back in December of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 21: and now Representative Barry Laudermilk, chair of the House Administration's
Speaker 21: Subcommittee on Oversight, has called for more details on whether
Speaker 21: these newly reviewed.
Speaker 1: All right, never mind, it's not going to work for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, the Internet keeps cutting out. So this was
Speaker 1: an interesting story that popped up today. Soros Sex Dungeon.
Speaker 1: I remember actually, I think years ago this came out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I remember talking to Patrick Henningson about this former
Speaker 1: New York financier who managed money for Soros has been
Speaker 1: arrested on charges spanning bait fraud and human tr f
Speaker 1: f I C K I n G supposedly spend a
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Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm not sure why it's just now happening,
Speaker 1: but you'll notice he has a bruise. Remember when all
Speaker 1: the famous people suddenly popped up with bruises, including Pope Francis.
Speaker 1: Where they all going to weird sex dungeons? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was, like, why were they
Speaker 1: Why do they all have black eyes? All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Trump is ordering troops to Portland. So now we're getting
Speaker 1: the situation where because the left has basically said burned
Speaker 1: the cities down, this was the Podesta plan. Alex is
Speaker 1: correct about that. If you go and find the actual
Speaker 1: New York Times articles and the stuff that they were
Speaker 1: writing at that time, and then that justifies the quote
Speaker 1: martial law because the cities can't even function without, you know,
Speaker 1: troops on the street everywhere, like it's some sort of
Speaker 1: third world country, And why wouldn't it be a third
Speaker 1: world country when we brought in the third World into
Speaker 1: the country by design. So things are getting crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't know where it's going. Everybody asks me, where's it going.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have time to watch all this.
Speaker 1: I did want to watch this interview because Larry Johnson
Speaker 1: seems to be a pretty decent former CIA analyst that
Speaker 1: Patrick Henningson has had on. He seems to understand a
Speaker 1: lot of these geopolitical conflicts, including Israel, very well, and
Speaker 1: he was on with Rachel Blevins, who just had Jim
Speaker 1: jatras on. But I've not watched this yet. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if we have time to watch this, and
Speaker 1: the internet seems to keep cutting out, so I guess
Speaker 1: there's no point in that. Let's see who's next in
Speaker 1: Individuated Unity. By the way, if you want to support
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Speaker 1: for five dollars. I'm at an oca mensa tree and
Speaker 1: the speaker keeps bringing up quote WORTHO bros. Why are
Speaker 1: they obsessed? Why are they mad? At about zealous converts.
Speaker 1: A lot of reasons. The OCA is closely aligned with
Speaker 1: the aspects of the State Department and the deep state.
Speaker 1: You could say, doesn't mean everybody's bad. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: all the church is bad. It just means that there's
Speaker 1: a long standing relationship there that goes back to the
Speaker 1: Cold War. A lot of the OCA is Americanists first
Speaker 1: in orthodox Second, a lot of the OCA is a
Speaker 1: top down sort of military like structure. So they're told
Speaker 1: these people bad. Don't worry about investigating it. See that's
Speaker 1: the case, just trust us. So, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: complex situation. There's also I'm sure people are envious because
Speaker 1: they feel like they should have the attention and the
Speaker 1: people should be listening to them, and why are they
Speaker 1: listening to these people on the internet. So, I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different reasons. Why. Also, they don't
Speaker 1: control guys that are listening to me and convert to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 1: They want people structured and brought in and sifted out
Speaker 1: according to whether they you know, take orders, and whether
Speaker 1: they're good, you know, people pleasers. They would rather have
Speaker 1: controllable soy men going into the priesthood than people that
Speaker 1: you know, are critical thinkers and know the theology and
Speaker 1: the argumentation who will probably not submit to For example,
Speaker 1: if the OCA went in the direction of skittle stuff,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're right now. I'm saying that
Speaker 1: the OSAA moves in the direction and wanting to be
Speaker 1: recognized by the EP, which they do. If they go
Speaker 1: in the direction of wanting to have a single American
Speaker 1: jurisdiction all that kind of stuff that the epe go
Speaker 1: arch and the CAA in the State Department want for
Speaker 1: American Orthodoxy, the people who will oppose that are people
Speaker 1: like myself and all the people that listen to what
Speaker 1: I talk about. So that's that's why that's really simple
Speaker 1: right there. They want to eventually go towards Rome. They
Speaker 1: want to eventually have Ecumenism, and they won't to eventually
Speaker 1: have skittle stuff. Not every OCA, parish or person. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about certain bishops and hierarchs and compromise people. That's
Speaker 1: the direction they want to go, and so naturally they
Speaker 1: would have to say that anybody like myself or anyone
Speaker 1: that would oppose that are all bad people. And you
Speaker 1: can list any reason that you want why I'm back.
Speaker 1: So G twenty six five dollars. From now on, all
Speaker 1: debates will be handled by ballerina dance battle, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna have you versus Lofton. Yes, I will ballerina dance
Speaker 1: fight Michael Lofton positive nitrogen balance five dollars. Let your
Speaker 1: boy Andrew borrow some of these black fans. He's got
Speaker 1: one or two. You apparently have a whole gang. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess I have more black fans than I realize.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Saint Sizzle twenty dollars. How do you reconcile
Speaker 1: Romans ninth through eleven that talks about the quote future
Speaker 1: salvation with the Jews, with the second Exodus motif, and
Speaker 1: all of the imminent time statements of the New Testament.
Speaker 1: I guess you're are you talking about partial preterism, Like
Speaker 1: why wouldn't not Romans ninth through eleven be fulfilled in
Speaker 1: a partial preadist way or a full predis way, like
Speaker 1: somehow before seventy eighty. I mean, do you think that
Speaker 1: the world and Judaism as a whole converted before seventy AD.
Speaker 1: I just think that's kind of preposterous.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's crazy. There's a guy I don't know who
Speaker 2: is the person.
Speaker 22: There's somebody that says they're interesting worth the box, either
Speaker 22: convinced by the arguments, but they can't leave full preterism.
Speaker 22: And I'm like, I can't think of a stupider position.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can be fished.
Speaker 1: I mean, this could be this person. I don't. They
Speaker 1: don't really say what they're talking about. They asked me
Speaker 1: if if my reconciliation is the doctrine of recapitulation. I
Speaker 1: don't think that has anything to do with that. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not understanding your argument, Saint Sizzle, I apologize.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's somebody different. Yeah, so it's come up.
Speaker 8: You know, it might be an interesting stream just for
Speaker 8: you and I to do is a refutation of full prederism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do. I do have several clips
Speaker 1: that have been clipped where we address the I mean,
Speaker 1: for one, like it ends up denying the bodily resurrection.
Speaker 1: Evil is eternal, So it ends up being a Manichean
Speaker 1: dualist position, which is just kind of preposterous. But h
Speaker 1: Rossey ten dollars. He says pitbulls are just black people
Speaker 1: in dog form. That's a black guy saying that, not me,
Speaker 1: So you can't can't me when he says that if
Speaker 1: you're going to cancel me, it's you have to cancel
Speaker 1: me for being Bernardo in West Side Story Eb. Five dollars. No,
Speaker 1: we did that journey of abound twenty dollars. How would
Speaker 1: you respond to some person saying that since Covenant blessings
Speaker 1: and curses in the Old Testament are not contingent upon
Speaker 1: the real presence, then why would First Corinthians eleven thirty
Speaker 1: be contain blessings and cursings? And so the symbolic view
Speaker 1: of the Eucharist is not gnostic. That's a really weird
Speaker 1: line of argumentation because the argument assumes that because it's
Speaker 1: like a parts whole fallacy. So because some things in
Speaker 1: the Old Testament are the basis for blessings and cursings,
Speaker 1: there can't be anything different in the New Testament that
Speaker 1: contains blessings and cursings. And that just seems to be
Speaker 1: a completely bizarre line of argument. I mean, Jesus applies
Speaker 1: the blessings and cursings to the Church and Revelations two
Speaker 1: and three. The Church doesn't exist in that form in
Speaker 1: the Old Testament. So would I then say that you
Speaker 1: can't apply the blessings and cursings to the church. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't follow from the fact that because there's
Speaker 1: blessings and cursings in the Old Testament without the real Presence,
Speaker 1: that there couldn't be blessings and cursings attached to the
Speaker 1: real presence. It's just silly. I mean, the whole point
Speaker 1: of the argument is that you're you're going to potentially
Speaker 1: kill yourself, unlive yourself spiritually and perhaps even physically because
Speaker 1: you do not regard the reality of the sacrament. It's
Speaker 1: just a non secutor. What are you going to say?
Speaker 8: Hey, just on topic, there's a guy common sense two
Speaker 8: three two three is requesting. He said he made a
Speaker 8: bad joke and he got blocked by you, but he
Speaker 8: really likes you.
Speaker 1: And wants to Okay, I'll try to find I'll try
Speaker 1: to find that profile.
Speaker 2: He's one of your favorite followers, he says.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, sometimes the people that say that are lying.
Speaker 1: But I'll see counterdox five dollars. Can you ask your
Speaker 1: niece Natalia Dier to give me an autograph?
Speaker 7: Thanks?
Speaker 1: It's funny, I noticed I don't have any knowledge that
Speaker 1: I'm related to her. By the way, there's like tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of people with name Dier. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: common English name. But I think she is from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: which is odd. She's the girl from Stranger Things, not eleven,
Speaker 1: but the sister. Yeah, she's from Nashville. Actually, Natalia Danielle
Speaker 1: Dyer is from Nashville, and she kind of has that
Speaker 1: kind of smushed pixie pixie girl type of face. Anyway,
Speaker 1: individuated Unity, did you want to say something.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 23: I had a comment earlier about something related to the
Speaker 23: Disney comment and all that.
Speaker 2: It kind of took me a minute to get on.
Speaker 23: But the have you heard of Fermi Lab and the
Speaker 23: symbolism around the Fermi Lab. It's like a government laboratory
Speaker 23: where they do uh I honestly don't know what they do.
Speaker 23: It's like particle accelerating, but the symbolism behind it is wild,
Speaker 23: and I just I was kind of curious about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know about it. I mean I know about
Speaker 1: like the the cern and all the symbolism of.
Speaker 23: The You would be really interested in this f e
Speaker 23: r M EI.
Speaker 1: Or if I know, I don't know.
Speaker 23: About this lab, but if you look up the symbolism
Speaker 23: like forer me lab symbolism, the cult symbolism within their
Speaker 23: branding and everything is pretty wild.
Speaker 2: I just let you be interested in that.
Speaker 1: Where where I read about the occult.
Speaker 23: I would just say, look look up a like google
Speaker 23: Fermi lab a symbolism and you'll you'll find they're like
Speaker 23: they've had several branding things for decades, decade gone, and
Speaker 23: it's just wild occult symbolism. But it's the fact that
Speaker 23: it's a a government laboratory and that they're they.
Speaker 2: Who knows what they do? Honestly, who knows what they do.
Speaker 2: It's kind of wild lab.
Speaker 23: But anyway, the symbolism behind it's wild, like people think
Speaker 23: they do time travel or whatever they're doing. I don't know,
Speaker 23: but anyway, just kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate that. I'll check it out. I got
Speaker 1: it pulled up here. It looks like they're it looks
Speaker 1: like they're pulling from like mcsher type stuff or I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's what this is. Let's see.
Speaker 7: Symmetry magazine.
Speaker 1: Lucky Dog. What's up. I'm met.
Speaker 2: A J Canary. Yeah.
Speaker 24: Hey, I'm first of all, I want to say I'm
Speaker 24: a huge fan. I am a self confessed ortho bro,
Speaker 24: I'm ashamed Orthobro. I'm in kind of a weird situation
Speaker 24: because I was attending an Antiochian parish up here in
Speaker 24: uh in, Maine on the coast, and the priest said
Speaker 24: that he was one of the people in your discord
Speaker 24: for a while and was like very complimentary to you,
Speaker 24: and complimentary to a lot of people in like the
Speaker 24: online Orthodox space.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 24: Was very you know, based in red build for lack
Speaker 24: of a better praise, But basically the dude was placating
Speaker 24: me and like a bunch of the other people who
Speaker 24: were more theologically astute, I guess for just to say,
Speaker 24: and was also placating sort of the more Americanist individualist
Speaker 24: pacifist type people as well.
Speaker 2: And it turned out that basically the guy was like.
Speaker 24: Poisoning the well with a lot of these more pacifists
Speaker 24: sort of casually not so theologically astute people, to try
Speaker 24: to turn them against the people at our parish who
Speaker 24: were more Orthobra adjacent, to the point where literally like
Speaker 24: we were told that we were trying to start a
Speaker 24: coup and that we were like violent people. And basically
Speaker 24: I getting kicked out because I brought all this stuff
Speaker 24: to the parish council into the bishop. So I kind
Speaker 24: of am in a weird spot right now because it's
Speaker 24: the only parish within like two hours from me.
Speaker 2: Kind of curious if you had any advice.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an odd story. I've never heard of a
Speaker 1: situation like that. I mean, there there have not been
Speaker 1: very many clergy that we're in that discord. I'm not
Speaker 1: really active in that discord like I used to be,
Speaker 1: at least not for the last several years.
Speaker 24: So I'm happy to say the guy's name because I mean,
Speaker 24: at this point I'm ready to go public.
Speaker 1: But I mean priests are public figures. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 24: Yeah, his name is father justin Slaughter dotye and the
Speaker 24: parish is Saint Euphemia Orthodox Church in Rockland. May very
Speaker 24: very weird guy. I'm kind of exasperated on it because
Speaker 24: even the bishop, Bishop John out of out of Worcestern, Massachusetts,
Speaker 24: is like he tells us like, oh, you know, he'll
Speaker 24: take me six months to look into this because like
Speaker 24: myself and like several other families have come to him
Speaker 24: about this and have raised issues and basically we're all
Speaker 24: told to take a hike because the parish council acknowledges
Speaker 24: that there's an issue, but they are like, oh, we
Speaker 24: don't have another priest to fill in, and so like,
Speaker 24: you know, you guys got to leave. Basically, the guy
Speaker 24: made an ultimatum and lied that I said I was
Speaker 24: gonna threaten to hurt him or something, and then literally
Speaker 24: like ran off to Massachusetts and said I'm not coming
Speaker 24: back unless this guy leaves, and uh, you know, like
Speaker 24: I'm honestly I'm in disbelief about it because I've never,
Speaker 24: like in a million years.
Speaker 2: Done that.
Speaker 1: I've never heard I mean, I don't know this person,
Speaker 1: never heard of them. So it's weird when when people say, oh,
Speaker 1: I know him, I used to be in the discord
Speaker 1: and this and that. That's like I have no idea
Speaker 1: who this person is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I figured, I mean the dude
Speaker 2: is like at this point, you.
Speaker 24: Know, locally is a reputation for like not you know,
Speaker 24: telling the truth of hundred percent. But yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 24: just it's been super weird. Basically, like was giving coded
Speaker 24: homilies Sunday saying to people that they were like heretics
Speaker 24: within the parish and like schismatics trying to tear things
Speaker 24: apart and all this kind.
Speaker 2: Of stuff is super bizarre. Man.
Speaker 24: I think back to a lot of some of the
Speaker 24: stuff that you said in the past about some of
Speaker 24: these sort of corrupt figures, corrupt bishops, corrupt parrish priests
Speaker 24: and stuff like that, and then I can't help but
Speaker 24: think that the guy may be compromising in some way
Speaker 24: or maybe working towards some sort of political goal, because
Speaker 24: it's to me, it's not indicative of somebody who is
Speaker 24: working honestly or in good faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, did you get them. Usually what happens
Speaker 1: with these kinds of situations or with these individuals is
Speaker 1: like they're actually just like liberals, Like their their whole
Speaker 1: ethos is like they're you know, they come from a
Speaker 1: Democratic party family, their their families or you know liberals
Speaker 1: or you know, that kind of a thing, and then
Speaker 1: they bring that to you know, their priesthood or their
Speaker 1: their religion, which ironically and then they're the ones that
Speaker 1: are always touting stuff like you know, we don't bring
Speaker 1: politics into orthodoxy and we don't, but they're actually like
Speaker 1: political activists as their activist priests. So I mean, is
Speaker 1: that do you think it was that or do you
Speaker 1: think that like he was just told by higher clergy
Speaker 1: to try to get rid of anybody that was quote
Speaker 1: an ortho bro.
Speaker 3: If it was that, I would be like very I
Speaker 3: think it would be pretty easy to identify.
Speaker 24: The weird thing about this guy is like he espouses
Speaker 24: all the all the sort of same politics that like
Speaker 24: people like you or me would say, like, you know,
Speaker 24: he believes in like weather modification, he believes in all
Speaker 24: this like like like he he knows a lot about
Speaker 24: theology and he knows a lot about politics.
Speaker 2: And he even told me.
Speaker 24: At one point like so he and I used to
Speaker 24: be like buddies when I first came to the parish,
Speaker 24: and uh he he because he's like twenty seven, he's
Speaker 24: a really young guy.
Speaker 2: I'm the young guy.
Speaker 24: Also, he told me that before he wanted to be
Speaker 24: a priest, he wanted to be a politician, and that
Speaker 24: he was like pen Palace was a big new Bershensky
Speaker 24: and he was trying to trying to go to work
Speaker 24: for him, And I.
Speaker 1: Was like, wow, all right, that sounds like a lie
Speaker 1: right away. Well, pen pals was the big Nighbersenski first
Speaker 1: of all, a twenty seven year old. I mean Brezenski
Speaker 1: died like seven years ago or so so so he
Speaker 1: was pen pals with Brezenski when he was nineteen or twenty.
Speaker 1: It sounds like this is a person who's a pathological liar.
Speaker 24: Honestly, I would I would agree with that, but I
Speaker 24: would say, I mean, some parts of his background I
Speaker 24: do find interesting, like his his grandfather on his mom's
Speaker 24: side was like the lawyer to Waylon Jennings.
Speaker 2: And but I ain't like that.
Speaker 1: First of all, then Berzsenski doesn't have time to be
Speaker 1: pen pals with twenty year olds. That just sounds like complete,
Speaker 1: That's like, that's actually funny.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he wasn't pen pals exactly. Maybe I'm misromon
Speaker 2: ring or something.
Speaker 24: But he said basically he was working very hard to
Speaker 24: try to be like an apprentice to it Vigi Bersinski
Speaker 24: somehow when he was much younger.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that would mean that he comes from a
Speaker 1: established if that's true, which I doubt it. That sounds
Speaker 1: like an established Democratic Party family.
Speaker 24: Well, and again I verified like his grandfather actually was
Speaker 24: Waylon Jennings, like Hank Williams junior, Johnny Cash's lawyer.
Speaker 2: Like that, that's like, well, I mean, what is that like?
Speaker 1: So what like I'm not trying to be rude, but like,
Speaker 1: that's not like that's like, that's not like some power
Speaker 1: player position to be Like, I mean, I know Hank
Speaker 1: Williams Junior. It's not like I don't call it. I
Speaker 1: don't call the shots because I know Hank Williams.
Speaker 2: No, I get what you're saying with that.
Speaker 24: I I'm not I'm not saying that's like, uh, you
Speaker 24: know one hundred percent, you know, indisputable proof that he's okay.
Speaker 1: So Brazil eight years ago. So again, so if he's
Speaker 1: twenty five or seven, would you say.
Speaker 2: Was I'm guessing he's twenty seven.
Speaker 24: I don't remember exactly, but he's I mean, he's definitely
Speaker 24: under thirty five.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I Paul, I'm sorry you have a situation
Speaker 1: like that. I would just try to wait until you
Speaker 1: can find a different, you know, better church. I hate
Speaker 1: to hear that, but father, you can. Do you have
Speaker 1: any advice on clergy that try to say that everybody
Speaker 1: who is is a listener of Jay Dyer is an
Speaker 1: evil extremist who's gonna hurt people. It's just so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: FDA are either all right, I guess he's ill disposed.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he got a Ouiji board. He could be
Speaker 1: a pen pal with Razinski from the other side, so
Speaker 1: it's not too late to be that's actually funny. But
Speaker 1: Mark Medlick five dollars, medic, are you reprising your well, No,
Speaker 1: we already read that more Heads sixty four. Your Palpatine
Speaker 1: sounds like Cobra Commander. That wasn't my Palpatine. That was
Speaker 1: supposed to be Alex Jones's voice doing Palpatine. Jake the
Speaker 1: guitar got fight dollars. If you was in the hood,
Speaker 1: you would know us gangsters get into tickle fights all
Speaker 1: the time. That's how real man so to hit beef.
Speaker 1: We don't do this debate shit. No, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a I mean, you got two levels
Speaker 1: to this. You got dance fighting and then you got
Speaker 1: the extreme tickle fights. Polycart FDA are either polycart. We
Speaker 1: want to on mute.
Speaker 11: Tested tist. That's so I want to talk about it.
Speaker 11: If your thinks go on actually one topic related about
Speaker 11: sexually one topic, so I want to talk about too.
Speaker 11: Quarantine six fourteen seventeen, where Saint Paul tells us not
Speaker 11: to be an unequally yoke with unbelievers and what concord
Speaker 11: has CHRISTI pelile come out of me, separate, come out
Speaker 11: from midamie, separate says Lord, etcetera.
Speaker 4: But I don't think this is.
Speaker 2: Am Orthodox. I don't think this is I don't think.
Speaker 6: This rule is obeyed in the Orthodox Church in general,
Speaker 6: because you have a clergy saying that it's okey to
Speaker 6: marry a non Orthodox under certain exceptional situations, which is
Speaker 6: which I say, is impossible potography, you have many Orthodox
Speaker 6: having no non Orthodox friends. But actually, but whether it
Speaker 6: be in the lives of the same sort of writings
Speaker 6: of the stay we see, you see actually no example
Speaker 6: of that, like like, for example, let's say let's take
Speaker 6: marriage with Donox for example, I see multiple coculus. You
Speaker 6: said it's allowed, can be alive.
Speaker 1: You said to not even have Orthodox non Orthodox friendship.
Speaker 1: That's silly. Get out of here, dude, all right, you
Speaker 1: can just go be pious on your own. What's up, Josh, Josh,
Speaker 1: I'm you.
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 25: Ajay, how's it going, mate? Mane, Look, I'm just I'm
Speaker 25: just sitting here with the cold foster's in my hand.
Speaker 25: And look, let me tell you straight. The banks don't
Speaker 25: actually want you to know this. But Sooshi. He was
Speaker 25: an ausy.
Speaker 3: My dad said, my camera's on the run.
Speaker 25: There's lizard people and they're all panicking because kangaroo coins
Speaker 25: about to replace the dollar.
Speaker 1: That was funny. Lead, what's up, fleet us? What's up?
Speaker 1: I'm you.
Speaker 4: Mall.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not trying to be rude. I
Speaker 1: was just waiting. I was waiting for it to make
Speaker 1: me laugh, and it just it wasn't really making me laugh.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not being rude.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 8: Hey, Jay?
Speaker 9: I'm a newly converted all thoughts Christian from the UK.
Speaker 9: My diets you' spinned the Ecumenical Patriarch. I think it's
Speaker 9: twenty eighteen hour under Moscow. It's a rassianal thoughts parish
Speaker 9: and I'm just curious to someone.
Speaker 2: Who's new to all of it.
Speaker 9: Can you explain why the Ecumenical Patriarch is doing what
Speaker 9: he's doing in terms of the Ukraine situation, the ecumenism
Speaker 9: and how is it to such a point by.
Speaker 1: Such a high Yeah, I have two old podcasts to
Speaker 1: talk about that, so you can look up and then
Speaker 1: in the interviews with Jim Jatras. So it's a little
Speaker 1: too much to kind of rehearse all that, not being rude.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like you can look up the old
Speaker 1: podcast on that. So yeah, let's see Daniel h Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, are there.
Speaker 26: I have a comment to make on I wish father
Speaker 26: or Nice is here, but I'll talk about my next
Speaker 26: my next thing.
Speaker 2: So Sam Hyde kind of talked.
Speaker 26: About this, how uh, boomers and millennials are kind of
Speaker 26: like the responsibility for why the West and especially the
Speaker 26: like and politics have declined, because when you go to
Speaker 26: like these leftist protests or I'm in California, I saw it,
Speaker 26: and I work in LA and San Francisco and I
Speaker 26: kind of see them occasionally, and it's just like forty
Speaker 26: to fifty year old cairns with masks on and just
Speaker 26: I don't know how it even gossip like bad? How
Speaker 26: are boomers so brainwashed it's becoming like this, And the
Speaker 26: millennials especially, they're the most like comfortable with just letting
Speaker 26: Americans get replaced in their own countries, and like.
Speaker 2: Especially in the UK, like holy shit, it's so bad
Speaker 2: over there.
Speaker 26: People are just complicit with getting replaced by third of olders.
Speaker 2: And my kind of question is, like there's a.
Speaker 26: Revival of Christianity in the West, especially among But do
Speaker 26: you think it's gonna stay the same way because or
Speaker 26: kind of be different because like all gen Z women
Speaker 26: like I don't buy the traad wife like they're absolutely
Speaker 26: brainwashed from TikTok as well into leftist ideologies.
Speaker 1: And yeah, uh well I would you're cutting out, we
Speaker 1: can't hear you, But I would not. I would try
Speaker 1: to avoid being black pilled because I don't think everybody's
Speaker 1: bad and uh but at the same time, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't really control a lot of that stuff, So
Speaker 1: I would worry more so about your own situation and
Speaker 1: fixing things in your life rather than a temptation to
Speaker 1: worry about what the boomers are doing at the protest,
Speaker 1: what's happening in the UK. Like, none of that is
Speaker 1: going to be fixed by you. I'm not saying you
Speaker 1: can't read about it or be aware of it. It's
Speaker 1: just not. As you get older, you're going to be
Speaker 1: thinking more and more about your own situation and your
Speaker 1: own potential mate and you can find good people. There
Speaker 1: are still good In fact, we have at our church,
Speaker 1: you know, girls that just showed up that are new
Speaker 1: converts and young and I'm sure, the young guys at
Speaker 1: our church are going immediately going to hop on those opportunities.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, like, you can't be blackpilled and
Speaker 1: think that everything is bad and every I mean, it
Speaker 1: really depends on what you make of your situation in
Speaker 1: your life. I know that sounds like every boomer says this,
Speaker 1: every millennial says that, but it's true.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I used to be complaining as a twenty year old
Speaker 1: that no, no, but no older person understands how about
Speaker 1: it is and this and that, And then at a
Speaker 1: certain point I was like, I'm not getting anywhere complaining
Speaker 1: about this all the time, so I need to take
Speaker 1: this time and energy and effort and put it into
Speaker 1: actually changing.
Speaker 2: So what did I do?
Speaker 1: Well? Instead of whining and playing video games, I started
Speaker 1: writing essays and that turned into a book, and that
Speaker 1: book opened up the doorway to other things TV show, Right,
Speaker 1: So it took a lot of time, it took a
Speaker 1: lot of effort. And I'm not saying you have to
Speaker 1: write a book. I'm just giving an example of like
Speaker 1: I could have continued to lament my situation or whatever,
Speaker 1: or decide to make the changes and deprioritize all the
Speaker 1: things happening two thousand miles away. Right again, like a
Speaker 1: lot of young guys are obsessed with politics, and it's like,
Speaker 1: why are you even obsessed? It's like being obsessed with something.
Speaker 1: It's it's almost as dumb as being obsessed with sports, right,
Speaker 1: Like people that are smart young guys that get really
Speaker 1: interested in politics, they dis guys that are into sports justifiably.
Speaker 1: But then it's like, well, politics are just as dumb
Speaker 1: as sports, because what are you, Like, are you actually
Speaker 1: going to be out there on the field with Dontarius
Speaker 1: or whatever, like whoever, I don't even know these sports
Speaker 1: ball heroes are. But it's like, no, okay, well are
Speaker 1: you going to be running a think tank in Washington
Speaker 1: or a PR firm telling don Trump what to do?
Speaker 2: And no?
Speaker 1: So then who cares? Like what is the What does
Speaker 1: any political shit actually do in your day to day
Speaker 1: life to change your life?
Speaker 3: Not much?
Speaker 1: And by the time that you're thirty five and forty,
Speaker 1: you're going to realize that the politicians come and go,
Speaker 1: the scandals come and go. All the same rhetoric and
Speaker 1: that you heard when you were eighteen is the same
Speaker 1: rhetoric and stuff you're going to hear when you're forty
Speaker 1: and has anything changed. Well, probably the dystopia marched on
Speaker 1: regardless of the rhetoric of the politicians. So what does
Speaker 1: that mean. It means that it's deprioritized. Doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: can't be interested in it or whatever. But what should
Speaker 1: I have done in my twenties? Put way more time
Speaker 1: into building my own business and doing my own stuff,
Speaker 1: figuring things out on my own, not whining and bitching,
Speaker 1: not playing video games, not wasting time drinking at the
Speaker 1: bar all the time, as I did in the twenties.
Speaker 1: In my twenties, not in the nineteen twenties. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand, I appreciate the sentiment of thinking that you're
Speaker 1: going to have some future young conservative man run for president,
Speaker 1: but it's just so you guys are so naive. Man,
Speaker 1: do you think the president actually changes things and controls things?
Speaker 1: But I guess that's just something that twenty year old
Speaker 1: guys are going to have to learn the hard way.
Speaker 1: So you guys are going to learn the hard way,
Speaker 1: and then as you get older, you'll see that what
Speaker 1: we're saying is correct. Christ is risen. What's up? Even
Speaker 1: if you got a based dude elected? Like, what do
Speaker 1: you think that's going to do. Yeah, are you there?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yep, I saw.
Speaker 3: I just want to ask a quick question.
Speaker 27: My friend told me I'm here, so I hear a
Speaker 27: lot of Orthodox say to Protestants, Oh, you just follow
Speaker 27: the Canon of Jerome. My question to you is from
Speaker 27: the Patristic age.
Speaker 1: Where it Rome? What are you talking about Bible?
Speaker 2: I mean what in Jerome?
Speaker 18: Er?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Orthodox say to like Protestants.
Speaker 2: Oh you just follow Jerome.
Speaker 1: Oh, I say, say, I see.
Speaker 3: Where do the Orthodox get their cannon?
Speaker 15: Front from the.
Speaker 1: Patristic Apostolic Canons and the Council of Rome. So one
Speaker 1: of them is in the East, one of them is
Speaker 1: in the West, and both of those accept the Doer
Speaker 1: canonical books.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But isn't the Apostolic Canons that isn't it, missy?
Speaker 2: A couple of books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the point is that it accepts the duo canon.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that that's the definitive state of
Speaker 1: the canon being decided upon. That happens later a trollo.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that by the fourth century the Church had
Speaker 1: accepted in the East and the West the doer canonical texts.
Speaker 1: I have been just go watch the videos on this book.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Oh, I have a whole response to west
Speaker 1: Huff on this where I go through all of this.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. That's that's basically all I want to accepts
Speaker 1: the cannon that's in the Carthage list.
Speaker 7: Are you there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, that's basically all I want.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, you cut out there for a second. It
Speaker 1: was hard to hear what you're saying. But yeah, stress test.
Speaker 1: What's up? Yeah? The videos and clips addressing wes Huff
Speaker 1: address do in more specific terms, stress test. Do you
Speaker 1: want to I mute? I don't want the internet section.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm here, Go ahead, what's on your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 4: This is our j Oklahoma. We just had quite a
Speaker 4: visit to a conference business smith. Eric Trump showed up
Speaker 4: to speak, uh, interesting aspects to that. I don't know
Speaker 4: that it contribute much to the debate here, but I
Speaker 4: just tuned in because my son's been a big listener.
Speaker 4: Of course, I've heard you all on Info Wars your
Speaker 4: show there. My son has become orthodox over the past years.
Speaker 4: He's pretty pretty strong attendant, has got a couple of
Speaker 4: kids and his wife. His life started going. Now we've
Speaker 4: had our debates over whether there's a significant difference, and
Speaker 4: I think there is, but I've never got it clear
Speaker 4: with him what his major concern was. And my concern,
Speaker 4: Jay is that Orthodox probably had the same cessationist doctrine.
Speaker 4: That's the that Rome.
Speaker 1: That Rome has cessationism in the sense of miracles or
Speaker 1: in the sense of Israel.
Speaker 4: What do you mean, I mean, I mean the supernatural
Speaker 4: working of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: I don't think Orthodox Church or the Romancallic Church denies miracles.
Speaker 4: So as a regular practice, such as praying and the spirit.
Speaker 1: Well as Orthodox, we believe praying in the spirit is
Speaker 1: noetic prayer, not what charismatic Pentecostals think.
Speaker 4: It helped me with that a little bit, meaning.
Speaker 1: Prayer of the heart. So it's a direct prayer and
Speaker 1: perception of relationship with God that's not mediated. So it's
Speaker 1: a more of an intimate inner prayer of the inner man,
Speaker 1: not necessarily expressed with outward wrote prayers or something like that.
Speaker 1: So it's an intimate form of prayer that we think
Speaker 1: is real. But we don't believe that there are nude
Speaker 1: public divine revelations because there's many places in the New
Speaker 1: Testament where it's explicitly stated that revelation would cease in
Speaker 1: the sense of public divine revelations. That immediately cuts off
Speaker 1: all Pentecostal charismatic churches.
Speaker 4: You mean that there are three there are three expressions
Speaker 4: of the Holy Spirit that are for you know, on
Speaker 4: interpretation and speaking in an unknown language that the speaker
Speaker 4: doesn't know, versus a personal player time of edification, which
Speaker 4: is very different. That's a private that's a private form
Speaker 4: of communication.
Speaker 28: The language you don't know is an actual language like
Speaker 28: Latin or Romanian or something like that, and people aren't
Speaker 28: doing that today.
Speaker 2: That was obviously that's a glossologia. That's the tongues of
Speaker 2: the nations.
Speaker 8: We certainly don't believe that people speak unknown language and
Speaker 8: unknown to anybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that absolutely does happen, and.
Speaker 2: Even should we believe it's either demonic or uh a
Speaker 2: magication of mind.
Speaker 4: My uh passor that that was here in Tulisa for
Speaker 4: a long time had notable miracles in his ministry, healing ministry,
Speaker 4: who was in Russia when they first opened up, and
Speaker 4: he was ministering through an interpreter, and then at one
Speaker 4: point he was he just went into on his own.
Speaker 4: A language is the Holy Spirit basically took over. He
Speaker 4: was speaking, He was seping, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: How do you know that? How you know that that's
Speaker 1: of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 2: You know, because I mean sorcerers and all kinds of
Speaker 2: people can do miracles.
Speaker 4: Now, the point is that the listener was hearing Russian.
Speaker 4: He was there opening a church with a minister who.
Speaker 2: You don't think You don't think demons have the.
Speaker 4: Power to do something demons can manifest? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well then how do you know that that was
Speaker 1: of God and demonic?
Speaker 4: Well, it was a word to the to the lady
Speaker 4: in line that spoke in the kind of encouragement that
Speaker 4: it wasn't, you know, lying to her about something. It
Speaker 4: was revealing things that only the Holy Spirit would know.
Speaker 4: Dave Roverson does not know Russian.
Speaker 2: This was demons do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: You just admitted that demons can do that. So I'm
Speaker 1: asking you, how do you know in this case it
Speaker 1: wasn't the.
Speaker 4: Money I said demons can make. Demons can make. Uh,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they was speaking another language.
Speaker 1: They can, they can, So they don't know other languages.
Speaker 4: I think that they could go They're not going to
Speaker 4: go manifest through a spirit field.
Speaker 1: And led the question, because how do we know that
Speaker 1: they're actually filled with the Holy Spirit and not demonically energized?
Speaker 4: You mean the minister that is from know like the
Speaker 4: one I know absolutely, I know.
Speaker 1: Well, we think we would say that you're all in delusion.
Speaker 1: So the fact that you believe that you're of God,
Speaker 1: I understand that you believe that sincerely, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to be rude to you, but I'm asking you,
Speaker 1: how do we how does anybody else know publicly in
Speaker 1: some verifiable way that that is the case.
Speaker 4: Because truth is spoken and it's not a Now, listen,
Speaker 4: there are people that come up in a I want
Speaker 4: to give credit to what you're saying. There there can
Speaker 4: be uh familiar spirits is what they're called, that are
Speaker 4: demonic that can tell someone, you know, how much money
Speaker 4: is in the wallet, and and that's happened where uh
Speaker 4: for that that gift has been abused? I will say that,
Speaker 4: so it is it is an operating gift.
Speaker 8: The question is we're not saying stuff about wallets. The
Speaker 8: devil quote scripture he uses.
Speaker 2: It's all the stuff that you're saying.
Speaker 8: So you're simply saying whoa he was preaching the gospel
Speaker 8: and it was like, you know, and then something came true, like,
Speaker 8: how do you know that's not the mind the devil?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when I turn on Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Copeland
Speaker 1: says that he has all these same experiences in his
Speaker 1: church with miracles and all this and that, and I
Speaker 1: think that it's pretty obviously Kenneth Copeland is a con
Speaker 1: man and a liar. So how would we judge between
Speaker 1: the claims of your prophet and your your church versus
Speaker 1: Kenneth Copeland's, Which how do we know what's right wrong?
Speaker 4: Well, if you're a president at the meeting and you
Speaker 4: have the opportunity.
Speaker 1: But I'm not president at the meeting, and I'm not
Speaker 1: president at your meeting. So when I have what the
Speaker 1: what's the public verifiable way to judge between these infinity
Speaker 1: charismatic claims which obviously can't all be true because they're
Speaker 1: all teaching different doctrines.
Speaker 4: They saying that Copeland Copeland's or his doctrines are different
Speaker 4: and some others that are Pentecostal.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean do you do you teach the
Speaker 1: prosperity gospel?
Speaker 4: You know, there's a consistency for the scripture that comes out.
Speaker 1: Of what do you teach the prosperity gospel that Kenneth
Speaker 1: Cope teaches?
Speaker 4: Not in the same way that he does.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's different doctrines. So how do I know
Speaker 1: who's of the Holy Spirit here?
Speaker 4: It helps to be to be built up in the spirit,
Speaker 4: like it says in June twenty that you spend time praying.
Speaker 1: In the right Well, that's a subjective situation. How do
Speaker 1: I know what's the public verifiable way that any of
Speaker 1: us have? Do you think Jesus left the church with
Speaker 1: any public verifiable way to judge between these kinds of claims.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Paul demonstrates that in First Corinthians fourteen. He instructs
Speaker 4: that people, the public judge that the group is there
Speaker 4: will judge it if somebody comes up with the prophecy
Speaker 4: that's flaky. You know, we don't see this as often today,
Speaker 4: but and that's what Kevin Zaidai teaches a phenomenal minister
Speaker 4: that let the public judge it, and that would be
Speaker 4: the people that are present in that meeting, because a
Speaker 4: lot of times they'll shout down someone that's flaky that
Speaker 4: you know. The other times they don't because it could
Speaker 4: prophecies today. Oh yes, there are, Yeah, there are.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically it comes down to what you decide.
Speaker 4: It needs to be people that are familiar with that,
Speaker 4: that fellowship and the operation of the spirit.
Speaker 2: But it says you, that's what the Word of God says.
Speaker 1: Okay, So your interpretation of the Word of God is
Speaker 1: the final rule and said, if we just listened to
Speaker 1: you as our prophet, then everything would go smooth.
Speaker 4: Right, Jay, that's what Paul wrote in the scripture.
Speaker 1: I understand that you believe that that's what Paul wrote,
Speaker 1: But that's your interpretation of what Paul wrote. We have
Speaker 1: a very different interpretation of Paul. So who judges between
Speaker 1: all the different interpretations of.
Speaker 4: Paul If we're sitting in a class and we're having
Speaker 4: a discussion, you know, theologically over the scripture what it
Speaker 4: actually means.
Speaker 1: Did Jesus leave any public authority that could bind people's
Speaker 1: consciences after his death and after the apostle's death to
Speaker 1: make these kinds of decisions?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1: Who okay? And and who what men make that decision
Speaker 1: under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Anybody or just random.
Speaker 4: Had a solid church there's a there's a.
Speaker 1: What's the solid church. You just keep begging the question,
Speaker 1: because that's what. How what's the public discernible way to
Speaker 1: objectively decide between these conflicting.
Speaker 4: Claims For someone who's a skeptic, I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: that's going to be anything.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be rude to you, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna we're just gonna have to stop here, and I
Speaker 1: guess we just have to disagree because I'm asking you
Speaker 1: a very fundamental question about the nature of authority in
Speaker 1: church history. The things that you're promoting were immediately condemned
Speaker 1: by the Church. They're called Montanus Montanism. Montanism was condemned
Speaker 1: precisely because of the things that I'm listing. You could
Speaker 1: never have any public, verifiable way with any authority to
Speaker 1: say whose prophecies and whose interpretations are the new revelations
Speaker 1: of the Holy Spirit. And that's why Montanism was immediately condemned,
Speaker 1: because it leads to delusion and prelast. So, uh, that's
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say than that. I
Speaker 1: have a whole video, by the way, if you're interested
Speaker 1: in u seeing what the New Testament argumentation is for
Speaker 1: why there's not public divine revelations anymore?
Speaker 3: Why that?
Speaker 2: What? No self awareness with people? Just consider this question.
Speaker 8: Because I'm really like the last couple week, especially with
Speaker 8: my students, I'm trying to get them the introspect, which
Speaker 8: is what we do is orthodox.
Speaker 2: Right. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not.
Speaker 26: How do I know the.
Speaker 8: Exact questions you were asking, Jay? But think about this,
Speaker 8: doesn't it don't you find it odd that nobody's speaking
Speaker 8: in these these tongues that they're saying all throughout church
Speaker 8: history and it just pops up and.
Speaker 21: What the night?
Speaker 1: There actually are there actually are some historical instances, well,
Speaker 1: there are groups that are heterodox and anti Trinitarian and
Speaker 1: saying so that, like, I don't think you want to
Speaker 1: align yourself with the few instances of these sort.
Speaker 2: Of fanatic things that it's weird. It's a weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird heterodox group. Now the video that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of is this right here? And the same
Speaker 1: argument is applicable to Islam, Mormonism, Charismaticism, Seven Day Adventism,
Speaker 1: and all colts, because every one of these types of
Speaker 1: cults rests on the same assumption that there is a
Speaker 1: new revelation, and to Father Deacon's point, oh, the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 1: I guess he just got quiet for many, many centuries
Speaker 1: until the Azuza Street Revival. Was a bunch of lunatics
Speaker 1: in California, a bunch and by the way, many of
Speaker 1: them anti Trinitarian. And I mean, if anti Trinitarians is
Speaker 1: your benchmark for the movement to the Holy Spirit, then
Speaker 1: it's not the Holy Spirit. It's a demon.
Speaker 2: Also, I figured this out when I was in Calvary
Speaker 2: Chapel when.
Speaker 8: I was like fifteen or sixteen years old, because my
Speaker 8: teachers used to try this SI out on me.
Speaker 3: Oh, the Holy Spirit told me that.
Speaker 2: You weren't doing your homework.
Speaker 8: And so my retort was always like, well, that's crazy,
Speaker 8: because the Holy Spirit told me yesterday that.
Speaker 2: The demon was going to visit you. I tell you,
Speaker 2: was the Holy Spirit to tell you that stupid lie?
Speaker 8: And I'm like, so even if this is before I
Speaker 8: was even introduced.
Speaker 2: To philosophy, I knew that. I'm like, this is just
Speaker 2: stupid subjective.
Speaker 8: I just one up you because it's like, well, Saint
Speaker 8: Paul says, and the Holy Spirit says and this, but
Speaker 8: as you showed, there's no objective rumor just each person's
Speaker 8: claiming the Holy Spirit and the Bible and Saint Paul,
Speaker 8: and and they don't get it.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying, that that's that's distinct from
Speaker 1: the public normative authority that makes a decision or that
Speaker 1: in some way can delineate between conflicting claims, or that
Speaker 1: binds people's consciences. That's the difference between normative authority versus well,
Speaker 1: the Bible says this, well, but but Paul says this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we but every heretic thinks that Paul's on his side, right,
Speaker 1: So how do we go ahead?
Speaker 2: That's three point.
Speaker 8: None of us deny that the Holy Spirit can't subjectively
Speaker 8: work in somebody. And we're not talking about new doctors.
Speaker 8: But the Holy Spirit that fills all things is a
Speaker 8: spirit of truth, like we obviously know it's like, if
Speaker 8: you get the truth, it's obviously the Holy Spirit, okay,
Speaker 8: And so that a subject can receive that in a personal, private,
Speaker 8: subjective way, like I get that, right, And I'm not
Speaker 8: talking subjectivism. However, when you come on to a stream
Speaker 8: or an x space or something like this and you're
Speaker 8: making public objective statements, you've moved out categorically out of
Speaker 8: that realm. So, for example, what I'm saying is like, yeah,
Speaker 8: the person who experiences a miracle Saint Paul on the
Speaker 8: road to Damascus, that is a personal, private thing that
Speaker 8: there's no way to be able to explain what that
Speaker 8: was like. But when you move into the sphere of
Speaker 8: saying well, you're wrong and this is right, you moved
Speaker 8: into a different category and now you need you can't
Speaker 8: just be like, well, because you had to be there.
Speaker 2: You have to experience what I well, I have the
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: M Jacob? Eights and five dollars? Do you have any
Speaker 1: thoughts on Rousseau's Thomas Rousseau's America is only for Europeans?
Speaker 1: What is the orthodox perspective on this? H I don't
Speaker 1: know how you prove that or show that, or like
Speaker 1: how even relevant that is At this point, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what to say on that. What's up, man, Jacob?
Speaker 1: You want to I'm mute? I mean, as native Europeans
Speaker 1: are in largely atheistic socialists, do we want a bunch
Speaker 1: of them come up? Like Jacob? You want to mute?
Speaker 1: What's up? Jacob's ladder? Last chance?
Speaker 2: Well, look what Russeau's read, you know, writing a particular history.
Speaker 1: No, no, this is a different not jockracy. This is
Speaker 1: like a like a wig net cut, hilarious, Ali train,
Speaker 1: what's up, great Scott? Five dollars, one body, one church,
Speaker 1: three persons of the Yes, what's up man?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 2: Jane? Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: Just I want to.
Speaker 3: Pivot real quick to some geopolitics.
Speaker 5: And so I studied terrorism as like part of my
Speaker 5: like field of expertise, and so I've been I I
Speaker 5: don't know if you saw. I think you did a
Speaker 5: video on this. I didn't fully see everything on it,
Speaker 5: but it was about like how the National counter Terrorism
Speaker 5: Center said that all Kainda.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like gonna attack again or whatever. I
Speaker 3: don't know how familiar are.
Speaker 2: You with that?
Speaker 1: I mean it was in the news. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: talked about that the other day when we were doing
Speaker 1: our al Qaeda talk.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I've been What's interesting about that is I've been
Speaker 5: following that. So I've been like kind of on the side,
Speaker 5: following what al Qaeda and the Taliban have doing through
Speaker 5: different independent nonprofit organizations as in like former like retired
Speaker 5: intelligence officers and veterans, and I've talked to some of
Speaker 5: them and have looked at some of their work.
Speaker 3: It's actually public, and.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've heard anything about this, but
Speaker 5: they've they've been kind of like blowing the whistle essentially
Speaker 5: for the past since I would say twenty twenty three
Speaker 5: on this issue. And they've published a bunch of reports
Speaker 5: talking about how al Qaeda since twenty twenty one has
Speaker 5: grown exponentially to like basically it. They've published reports counter
Speaker 5: to what the government has said. And I stumbled upon
Speaker 5: these one time, and I had to weigh the difference
Speaker 5: between like who's more credible, and as time has gone on,
Speaker 5: what the government's claim of that al Qaeda's like no
Speaker 5: longer in its prime and it's not like a big
Speaker 5: problem or.
Speaker 3: Anything like that.
Speaker 5: Has been has not been substantiated, while the other people
Speaker 5: that make a different claim have been more substantiated and
Speaker 5: corroborated as time has gone on. For instance, the estimate
Speaker 5: that I've seen is that al Qaeda has been funded
Speaker 5: through our taxpayer dollars an them over the past four
Speaker 5: years about twenty billion dollars through either NGOs or actually
Speaker 5: direct support for quote unquote counter terrorism against ISIS, which
Speaker 5: is hilarious but also fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: And uh so is there something a document you want
Speaker 1: to point me to or something to read?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is there any?
Speaker 5: Would you be okay if I like just DM you
Speaker 5: like a lot of some documents and resources to where Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, appreciate that.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, I thank you. You just send me
Speaker 1: something on that. Maddie. What's up? I'm you, Maddie.
Speaker 2: What's bob am masigo? Can you hear me? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: I've got a question.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I've actually got a question for you and Father
Speaker 18: Deacon Anaaius.
Speaker 3: This might be a bit low tier.
Speaker 18: I was just reading what I'm going through the the
Speaker 18: Old Testament with I guess orthodox goggles, trying to recognize
Speaker 18: parts of it where I start.
Speaker 2: Seeing things which you refer to as theophanies, right m h.
Speaker 3: And I see you had a debate with some dude,
Speaker 3: this spurg dude on Twitter a while back.
Speaker 2: I think I don't.
Speaker 3: Remember his name, of his name is called like a misfit.
Speaker 18: Patriot, right, oh yeah, yeah, remember he brought up the
Speaker 18: argument they're like, oh, if you look at the Old Testament,
Speaker 18: it mentions the numerous places where like God says, like,
Speaker 18: you know, my covenant with you is forever. And then
Speaker 18: the well in the debate, you mentioned him like these
Speaker 18: things were fulfilled in Jesus, But the conversation starts to
Speaker 18: derailing because he just starts spurging.
Speaker 2: I suppose you.
Speaker 18: Could just quickly, I mean, I know it's a bit
Speaker 18: load t heer.
Speaker 2: I apologize.
Speaker 16: I'm showing if you could expand upon that, because you
Speaker 16: want to reading Genesis and all about it does mention
Speaker 16: about how like you know these and so forever.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's a change that happens when Jesus comment.
Speaker 1: Well, the change is just simply that that promise to Abraham,
Speaker 1: the seed is the person of Christ. So the only
Speaker 1: way that all the nations would be blessed through Abraham's
Speaker 1: seed is a seed person who could bless all the nations,
Speaker 1: who is the son of David, who is the fulfillment
Speaker 1: of the Mosaic promises and the Mosaic Messianic prophecies. So
Speaker 1: if you read Galatians three, it's going to talk about
Speaker 1: who that seed is that's promised to Abraham. So the
Speaker 1: whole chapter of Galatians three will help to tie that in.
Speaker 1: But Paul and Corinthians also says that all the promises
Speaker 1: of the covenants, and when he says promises, he's talking
Speaker 1: about covenant promises are yay in Him in Christ. So
Speaker 1: that means the Noaic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, the Davidic Covenant,
Speaker 1: and even the Adamic Covenant, there's a covenant with Adam.
Speaker 1: You read the New Testament, you realize that all of
Speaker 1: those figures, Adam, Noah, Moses, David, they're all images and
Speaker 1: predictors of Christ. So all the covenants converge and align
Speaker 1: in Him. Thus there's only one covenant. And when you
Speaker 1: read the Book of Hebrews, it will make this clear,
Speaker 1: especially in chapter eleven when it says that all the
Speaker 1: people of God from the beginning of time until the
Speaker 1: end of the world are one heavenly city. And that's
Speaker 1: the city that Galatians four talks about, the heavenly Jerusalem,
Speaker 1: which is the Church. So hopefully that helps to kind
Speaker 1: of clear that up, because you're right, I remember that now.
Speaker 1: I did want to go kind of deeper into that.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot more text, a lot I don't
Speaker 1: want to overload you, but I have a video for example,
Speaker 1: you could look up a couple on the Messianic prophecies
Speaker 1: and how they're fulfilled in Christ, because it's the same
Speaker 1: principle behind covenant theology, and all the covenants being fulfilled
Speaker 1: in Christ as well, exact same principle. So just as
Speaker 1: all the Messianic prophecies point to Him, they are covenantal promises,
Speaker 1: so all the promises of the Messiah are Messianic covenantal promises.
Speaker 1: And thus they all reach their apex in Him. And
Speaker 1: thus there's not an Old Testament covenant with Israel the
Speaker 1: nation state separate from this covenant with people of Christ
Speaker 1: and so forth in the kingdom. That's dispensational theology, which
Speaker 1: is which is heterodox, which is what misfit Patriot actually
Speaker 1: believes without knowing it. Even though he claimed to be
Speaker 1: a quote Catholic, He's a complete mora on. He has
Speaker 1: absolutely no idea what anything is. Irrationally irritable. Became a
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Speaker 1: what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: I just wanted to.
Speaker 29: Kind of piggyback off of what you were discussing earlier
Speaker 29: in regards to like race relations between I guess African
Speaker 29: Americans or as I prefer to be called up Black
Speaker 29: American and the various ethnic groups that compose the white
Speaker 29: community in the United States.
Speaker 2: I think that it's.
Speaker 29: Really and not to be too reductive about it, but
Speaker 29: I think it's an issue of white liberals that causes
Speaker 29: the racial divide the most spurren on by obviously black
Speaker 29: liberals who support their initiatives and like growing up, you know,
Speaker 29: in New York State and interacting with white Hispanics Asians,
Speaker 29: there really isn't that much animus in that sense, at
Speaker 29: least here. But I think that the liberal project really
Speaker 29: spurns on these divisive subgroups of people. And I think
Speaker 29: that for blacks and whites, like we can, at least
Speaker 29: those that are American born, can reconcile our history insofar
Speaker 29: as you know, we both contributed to the continual, the
Speaker 29: continual growth of the nation, you know, either through quite
Speaker 29: literally slave slave labor and later inventions by both groups.
Speaker 29: And I feel like all that is pasted over for
Speaker 29: a general you know, white people are bad, white people
Speaker 29: are the cause of all the world's evils, when when
Speaker 29: you really look at it, like most of the inventions
Speaker 29: that you know, pushed forward human development were found, you know,
Speaker 29: with the European groups, with certain Asian groups, even you know,
Speaker 29: the Arabic numerals that we used today and the basis
Speaker 29: for chemistry through their alchemical practices and things like that.
Speaker 29: So not to sound liberal in the sense that like
Speaker 29: we're all equal, but to really emphasize the point that
Speaker 29: I think blacks and whites have a lot more in
Speaker 29: common in America and especially like our culture. You know,
Speaker 29: we have a lot of shared ground there, and I
Speaker 29: think are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well, I'm you know, I'm I'm honorary black.
Speaker 2: You know that, right, Yeah, you have several cards. I'll
Speaker 2: give you another one.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm like infinity level now, So thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, man.
Speaker 29: But yeah, I do think that it's it's important for these,
Speaker 29: you know, conversations to happen because I think that, like,
Speaker 29: especially with the situation with Black Lives Matter, and like
Speaker 29: I was in college during that period of time, and
Speaker 29: it was absolutely insane to get a word in when
Speaker 29: it comes to like the fact that black people literally
Speaker 29: do not live in a state of fear in America.
Speaker 29: We currently live in the best time period to be
Speaker 29: black in this country. Like institutional discrimination basically doesn't exist
Speaker 29: and it's outlawed, and there are like certain forms of
Speaker 29: discrimination that you know, I wish we had, you know,
Speaker 29: I wish that, you know, our freedom of.
Speaker 2: Association was.
Speaker 3: Uninhibited. You know, like you can't have.
Speaker 29: Like men only or women only spaces or even you know,
Speaker 29: black or white only spaces in the way that you
Speaker 29: used to be able to after the Silk Rights Act.
Speaker 1: So no, I think if people had more freedom in
Speaker 1: that regard, there will probably be more harmony. But people
Speaker 1: can get sued under the guise of I don't know fairness,
Speaker 1: I don't even understand the logic of it. Like, so,
Speaker 1: because if there was an all women's space, could I
Speaker 1: see them and get get money? Like I'm sorrying to
Speaker 1: think maybe I should do that? Like is that is
Speaker 1: that a way to get some bitcoins? Like sue some
Speaker 1: women's spaces and get some money? Anyway, Hey, I appreciate
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Speaker 1: What's up?
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Speaker 1: Eighty two five dollars after reading my Bible. My conclusion
Speaker 1: has led me to Orthodoxy. I am from a Mexican family.
Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of Hispanic orthodox Most are Catholic.
Speaker 1: Actually a lot of Catholics are of Hispanics are talking
Speaker 1: about and getting interested in Orthodoxy, And so I guess
Speaker 1: I think the Internet is exposing a lot of people
Speaker 1: to Orthodoxy, and more than we tend to imagine. Because
Speaker 1: I keep hearing stories of Orthodox churches tripling. Our church
Speaker 1: is tripling. So I guess this is just becoming more
Speaker 1: of a you know, common thing. So that's good. Uh,
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Speaker 25: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't see anybody else. Thank you, guys, appreciate it.
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