Speaker 1: I know the things differently, so you can never find
these frickin things. That's what's so annoying. It's like you
can't just search the simple you know, NATO Cognitive Warfare Document,
like it's not going to come up. A lot of
these ended up in the members section, a lot of
them ended up on Rockfin So but I know one
of the positive is that we ended up covering a
lot of those many times. So there should be multiple
podcasts and talks on, say the NATO Cognitive Warfare Document,
which is all about transhumanism by the way, that's the one,
by the way that talks about weaponizing online trolling. So
what does that tell you? Rage baiting trolling? Oh you
thought this was just all organic? No, No, you understand everything
is being studied by militaries, army bases, naval research, British intelligence,
the CIA, They're all studying everything that's happening that we're doing,
all of it, the whole internet trolling four Chan, that's
all ops, bro, what's up? H Browsey? You hear me?
Speaker 2: All right? All right? So I have two like one
on one statement, one question. So for the first part,
and I'm a preface by saying I'm not making light of,
you know, the death of Charlie.
Speaker 1: At all of what I can't hear you the death
of Charlie Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So but like just a minute ago
when you were talking about these like the dumbass conspiracy
theories or whatever, I have a personal favorite, and it's
it's because this guy just keeps rage faiting people and
it's working over and over.
Speaker 1: So who's that seeing.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I don't follow them. I
have no clue who to do it is.
Speaker 3: I don't want to follow them.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not assuming whoever it is is a leftist,
but he like he ultimately is somewhat making light of
his of his death. But what he's doing is like
every I've seen him in like maybe three and I've
seen like a bunch of these like dumb conspiracy theories
or whatever. But I've seen him in three separate ones,
and one of them he got like like fifteen thousand
likes on his on his post, but he's just making
shut up. So he took it. He like got a
screen shot and he and he like like you could
you can actually just use like a little airbrush on
on your iPhone camera map and put like what looks
like smoke. And what he's saying is that what happened
to Charlie was there was like he's wearing a vest
and and it exploded underneath his shirt. And and that's
why I said the whole airbrush thing. So there's like
this little extra white ship, just a little gray off
to the off to the right of Charlie's right. He's saying,
that's what happened, m hm, and it's and it's working,
and I don't know why. It's so damn funny, like
just seeing people continues to fall like fall for dumb
ship like this, but uh, like I mean overall, like
the complete like the idea that there needs to be
some and I get, you know, questioning things, but like
I mean, not everything needs to be either, like Doug
so far deep into like this matter. So it is
kind of annoying seeing so many damn people, you know,
come up with a whole bunch of things like what
Cannis was saying with those like with the like for
him possibly being shot from the sewers. I mean, that's
that's why that dude when the dude earlier said the
whole like Candas is taking their schizo pill. I kind
of agree with because I cannot believe she said that
that was that was insane. What what was.
Speaker 1: The thing that she said that was crazy?
Speaker 2: Like so there was some sewers or something like something
like that argument, Yeah, exactly, that's I'm not. I laughed
hard as hell when I when I saw that video,
and I cannot believe she uh she like, it's just
it's just not that deep, you know. But the second part,
which is again it's it's kind of providential with it.
We were talking about the whole truck that you know,
you brought up Old Charlie Kurt thinking men there Ago
and so and I'm being dead and I'm I'm I'm
dead serious when I say this, dude. So I see
I see you online a lot, you know, people ask like,
what what is it like? Like I guess the best
way to put it is a well adjusted black to
be like around like what you what you see in
viral video or like the average black person. And I
and this is actually pretty sad for me personally because
he's a my life literally lifelong friend. So the day,
the day happened to Charlie both of them. I got, like,
we I have a I have a group chat with
two guys I went to elementary school, middle school, and
high school with I just I just can't associate with
anymore man like you know, they were making you know,
they were talking about you know, he deserved it. They
called the called him racist and all all type ship.
I've been going back and forth with them for years
and obviously as I take a complete opposite position of that,
and I've been going back and forth with them for
years over this. I've been destroyed them on the whole
Trump being racist. The destroyed them on the whole the
republic Republican establishment actually being racist. Uh Like, obviously, as
far as we're concerned, they're retarded, they don't actually know
what's going on. And there's there's a massive amount of
blacks that don't just completely cyten to believe about, particularly
by their mothers, that uh, you know, the they're just
they're racist because they're white. And like so yesterday one
of one of my guys, he he sent like there
was the whole thing with eric A. Kirk and Trump
being on stage.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, I think like that like
her reaction to it. It does seem kind of weird
to me. Whatever, but I didn't, you know, I didn't
respond to it. And and the other one of the
other guys in the group that he just replied just
like blatantly, you know, Charlie Kirk and I just like
it's just unbearable, you know. It gets to a point
where like even though I've known these guys my entire life, uh,
you know, they've met my kids. I met one of
their only one of them as a kid, you know
I've met Is.
Speaker 1: It's just like Cana or do they think she's crazy?
Speaker 2: Well, actually, this is a funny thought, that is off.
What do you think? What do you think they feel
about Canis?
Speaker 1: I honestly don't have no idea.
Speaker 2: That's that's how they feel about chemist.
Speaker 1: What do you mean it's like, you know, the term
coon or yeah, but what when a black person says
that about Candace? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: She's a she's a house in word like like she
she she feels, I guess like the best word to
put like she.
Speaker 1: Shields for white like an uncle Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So that's that's that's their position on Candas,
that's their position on Ben Carson. That's their position, Thomas,
that's their position. It doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter
who it is if and they are leftist, don't like,
don't get me wrong, they are like absolutely anti gay,
anti you know, t where all of that, all of
that stuff. But above all, right, maybe I'm not gonna
say above all like absolute, but maybe above all they're
anti white and that's it and that's the truth.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that black people were always this
way or is it just ramped up nowadays and it
was more silent like back in the eighties and nineties,
Because it seems to me like and maybe maybe black
people were on the down low always against whites, but
they just didn't outwardly show it. But like, it doesn't
seem like I remember in the eighties and the nineties, Uh,
it didn't seem as uh out there, you know what
I mean, Like the racial divide seems to have been
really ramped up, not and it was it was it
this way in the eighties and nineties, and black people
just didn't vocalize it as much.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wasn't born I'm wait, you know,
I'm born in two thousands. Ik oh, I can't necessarily speak.
I can't necessarily.
Speaker 1: Speak to got you like you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but I mean my mother, well I can't
like that. Obviously my father, he was born and raised
in Africa. My like my dad is an American. He doesn't,
he's not. He has nothing against white he definitely has,
as you can tell by me, like I got it
from somebody. He's definitely. He doesn't like black American black.
Let me let me be specific. He doesn't like American black,
so obviously I don't either. And my mom, my mom
was never My mom was never racist, though she she
didn't like Hispanics. Uh, you know, we grew up around
a lot of them. We like, I came up in poverty,
so like you know, you're you're in an environment, in
that type of environment where it's like basically nothing but
black and Hispanics for Latinos into like a few whites
here or there. But yeah, she didn't yeh, she didn't
like Hispanics. But it wasn't a problem for me growing
up and then till I'm assuming it wasn't, like you know,
for my mom and obviously my dad. He doesn't really
have any experience with with whites until he moved to
France from college. So I don't. Yeah, I don't really know,
but if I had to guess, I actually would say,
maybe maybe there's a chance that you know, they actually
they maybe they did always feel this way and just
over time with like I don't up being golded into
about media and like other ship like that, maybe it
just got worse over time. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not
entirely sure, but it's it's just gotten to a point
now where they just did, like it's just really hard
to coexist. And I'm like, it's kind of weird saying
that because obviously I'm black, but obviously I don't live
around these motherfuckers. Man. That that's why I I made
sure I did enough, Like and I've come up, like
I said, I'm only twenty five, but and I'm not
I'm not doing a frag thing or whatever. I do
make a lot of money, so when I was twenty three,
got my own place, and I don't I don't think
there's more than what like five bat black families in
my entire neighborhood. So yeah, you won't see if you
around these motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Definitely not everybody in the chat says man, I thought
you were fifty. You were born in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm twenty five years old.
Speaker 1: Dang, I'm out in.
Speaker 2: The chat before.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know how.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think they should be surprised am of it. Yeah,
I mean that's basically I had. And that's it's not
like that's super.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: Like I know, I've seeing like hundreds of damps about
like I left this or whatever, and you people think
it's just purple hair freaks.
Speaker 5: No, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's normal. It's just normal as hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I appreciate that. I mean, it does seem
like I agree with people in the chat. Uh, it
does seem like this has been ramped up because, as
you guys know, I played basketball all through my youth,
which meant I was usually one of two white dudes
on the team. And in the eighties and nineties it
seemed like pretty much people got along. I mean, I
lived in California as a kid when I played basketball,
and I was always on basketball teams with different leagues
and whatnot. I don't recall much like racial issues. In fact,
the funny part was where I was black people and
white people were the minority, and it was all Filipino,
So I guess the minorities stick together when it's all
Filipino and there's fewer blacks and whites. And then in
high school, middle school, in high school there were maybe
a few more white guys, but still predominantly I think
black guys on the basketball team, at least that's my memory.
Maybe it was half and half. I don't even remember.
But it didn't seem like there was a whole lot
of racial stuff. I remember in high school at one
time there was a racial It wasn't a riot. There
was supposed to be like a fight, right, Like, one
black dude talks smack to a guy at high school.
His name was Reggie, and Reggie was always trying to
start fights with people. And then all the red neck
dudes were like, all right, meet us at the McDonald's
parking lot. So a bunch of black dudes and a
bunch of white dude this is a funny story. And
a bunch of red neck dudes went to the McDonald's
parking lot to fight, and everybody thought nothing was going
to happen. But it turns out Reggie brought a baseball
bat and he cracked one of the red necks over
the head with a bat, and so this became this
huge like racial issue, which I mean it was to
a degree, but I mean, and yeah, hitting a dude
with a baseball bat is pretty crazy, but like the
whole town was, so I was all worried about it.
So they put up I'm not laughing at the dude
getting his head cracked in because that's that sucks. But
the town put I don't know, this is so stupid
that they thought this was going to do that. My
hometown put up American flags all over the roads everywhere
because they thought that would remind everybody that we're all Americans.
It was so gay. It was just like, dude, nobody
gets a shit on that. But uh, and by the way,
I wasn't involved that. I was not a redneck in
high school, right, So if you don't know, like in
high school, there's clicks, and I was high school in
the South in Tennessee, so Tennessee story time, that's right.
Everybody says to everybody has clicks. And like he was
talking about the the the uncle Tom. Like in high
school too, you had the black dudes that acted like
white dudes. I remember there was one one black dude
that wore a tie every day to high school.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He probably went on to be successful, but he didn't
act like a black dude, like a super He was
like a actor like you know, Brian Gumbel type of
black dude. And then the more thug black dudes, they
just kind of hung out, you know, stuck to themselves.
And then there would just be kind of like the
normal black dudes on the basketball team that I interacted with,
But I was not in I wasn't a jock, That's
the thing. Like, I wasn't because jocks would also kind
of hang out with like the popular black dudes that
were good at sports.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And in the nineties there wasn't a whole lot of thud.
There was some thuggery, but it wasn't.
Speaker 7: As many thugs as you might think.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really a jock, uh, because I quit the
I actually quit the back I would have been a
jock far I kept playing. I quit the basketball team
because I wanted I was going to do stand up,
so I wrote a standard routine and I became a
thief dude. And yes I'm heterosexual. That story was juicy.
It is a funny story. It's just like the thought
of the town, like if we put up American flags
everywhere everywhere, this will solve the racial problems. Anyway, I
was a theater kid. Yeah. In fact, speaking of let
me show you this. Y'all want a little bit of
lore or is just getting stupid? Everybody leaving is too
much dumb?
Speaker 8: Lord?
Speaker 1: Yeah, check this out, and I'm gonna have a hard
time convincing you that I'm a heterosexual after I show
you this. But I had no say in this, even
though I spent all four years of high school involved
in I'm talking about intensely involved in theater, speech tournaments,
drama tournaments all the time. This is my high school
senior play. My mom found this and she sent it
to me. And by the way, it's weird because it
looks absolutely like mint Condition from nineteen ninety seven. Nothing
has changed, Like here is my senior play, West Side Story,
And then you can see my name right here. I
don't know why I autographed my own playbill or bulletin
or whatever this is. I don't remember. And then I
see like some other people that I remember from the
place signed it. But I also think that maybe I
was making a joke about forging people's names, because I
don't understand why they would have signed my playbill in
a pencil, and it looks like somebody tried to sign
it twice. Anyway, it just doesn't make any I don't
remember what was going on. But yeah, here's my West
Side story. And the funny thing about this which will
get me canceled, is that I was Bernardo. So you're
familiar with webside story, which I don't care for. I
think it's kind of stupid. It's just Romeo and Juliet
uh with wasps and Puerto Ricans or Cubans. Are they
Cuban or Puerto Rican? I don't remember what the story is.
But when y'all red jet, y'all rad jet all the
way from your first cigar rat to y'all last die
in day, so I got to be by the way
in brown face. People don't know this. I was in
brown face because in the nineties nobody even thought anything
about it. Like if I was going to play the
villain Bernardo, well, I had to be brown because Cubans
or Puerto Ricans or whatever, right, So I had brown face.
And anyway, that's my story. It's that's so pretty much
all I remember. I'm just so was surprised that this
has has nowhere and tear whatsoever. It's just it's like perfectly,
it looks like you're about to go see the play.
By the way, Westside sorts stuck. Sucks to you, by
the way, it's annoying. Now somebody's got a super chat
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thank you guys. When y'all right, jet, y'all right, jet
all the way from your first say right till y'all
last time day. I don't remember those lyrics, and uh,
I think we I can't remember does Bernardo sing that
that part? I can't remember. I know the Wasp guys
sing it, which, by the way, it's really funny if
you think about it, because it's super gay to think
about dance fighting, think about gang's dance fighting. It's just funny.
I don't know. But then if you watch I was
watching Jacko's uh not thriller. What's it? What's what's Jacko's song?
Speaker 2: The Air?
Speaker 1: The beat It beat that. Yes, I was like, this
is West Side story. And if you look at by
the way, we did have that. We did have to dance.
I don't remember doing no gay dance though, but we
did have to do this scene. Oh so I guess
I did have to do this scene because the Wasps
they do their dance against the Cubans or the Puerto Ricans,
whatever they are. Right, So you got the Wasps, They're
coming over here doing that white boy dance, right, And
then I think we need to teach the gangsters dance fighting,
and then gangs would stop fighting. If we just had
a bunch of gay boys leading the gangs and doing
dance fighting, bro, then we wouldn't have gang problem, no
more gang wars.
Speaker 9: Dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see that's me. That's I was Bernardo and then
the lot gang is all. They're all getting up on
my face right trying to trying to outdance me. You're
about to make a mistake, son, You're gonna outdance me.
Speaker 2: Huh huh.
Speaker 1: A little troop of twelve gay gay boys trying to
outdance me. Shit, hell no, but no, but I had
the exact outfit though I had a purple shirt and
a tie. I was freaking and brown face. I was
straight up Bernardo. What's wrong with the internet is internet out?
Can y'all see me? How the hell did we get
to talk about West Side Story from we were talking
about NATO Cognitive Warfare. By the way, I found this video.
I forgot about this one. Here's a twelve minute video
on the NATO Cognitive Warfare document. So there's that. Anyway,
there was a point here's me. Actually West Side Story
was written by Arthur Lawrence, but the music and the
lyrics are by son Time and Bernstein, so I don't
I don't know who Arthur Lawrence is, but it does
kind of have a I guess it's an anti wasp
immigrant type of message because Maria falls in love with
the the white gang or the guy who's adjacent to
the gang. Right. Anyway, this is all stupid shit. Who
cares about West Side Story? Talaho? What's up? By the way,
that's actually been spoofed. If you remember, in Flight of
the Concords, they had a good skit about this where
they were gonna have a gang fight, but it was
gonna be a gang fight like West Side Story, which
is a dance fight. And also remember the show with
Mister Mister Show with Bob and Dave. I think they
did a similar type of spoof. It's just a funny
idea though, like gangs dance fighting. I'm not talking about
where they spoof anyway. What's up? Man? We lost you? Vincent?
What's up? Mark's as for five dollars? Are you reprising
your role in West Side Story for a performance for
the Pope at the Vatican? Yes, because I will be
stripping off that purple layer shirt that you saw, and
we all know what happens when hot men like myself
strip off shirts in front of the Pope, things get
a little, a little spicy. What's up?
Speaker 2: How come?
Speaker 1: Remember he keeps dropping off? Tell you what's up? Dude?
Living laughing? I'm madicey, I'm dye. See all the songs
are coming back to me now, even though I hate,
absolutely hate this musical. What's up? I'm mute, dude? What's
on your mind?
Speaker 10: I heard that one black guy was talking about the
racial experience with three whites.
Speaker 3: Started to listen to the full thing. But I would
love to talk about like my experience as.
Speaker 2: A black Christian, how.
Speaker 11: Blessed black people becoming Christian there is I don't know.
Speaker 1: Less less of them? Yes, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 10: So because I'm an Orthodox Catechulan, I go to a Greek.
Speaker 3: Church and I was mentioned this to my priests about.
Speaker 12: A couple of things about the black community and African
Orthodox Church.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of about that. About
what now the African Orthodox Church?
Speaker 1: I have that.
Speaker 10: I was telling my priests about how it started by
this like Anglican.
Speaker 12: Bishop who left Episcopalian or stuff like that because of racism,
but he's wanted to join Orthodoxy because of there was
no racism, right, but he made us all denomination called
an Orthodox. So like I told my priest, like why
he didn't become Orthodoxy make a movement of black people
converning Orthodoxy is beyond me, but I.
Speaker 2: Have them the idea. M hm.
Speaker 1: So do you do you have any other black days? There?
Are you the only black dude at the Greek church?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a couple of black guys.
Speaker 2: Actually, we talked about.
Speaker 4: Our experience with Christianity.
Speaker 10: But I literally told my priests growing up, always here
you go to a white.
Speaker 2: Church or a black church.
Speaker 3: He was bath but it was like what.
Speaker 1: We used to know. We used to have one of
these dudes from Africa who goes to an African Orthodox church.
He used to call in all the time. I think
he's one of these guys.
Speaker 2: It was like I was telling my priests, is like,
you know, I hear.
Speaker 13: A lot of black atheists arguments about TikTok and suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Well, I was like, you know, and one of the
stuff they objections to this stuff is the objections to
the Baptist.
Speaker 3: And Pentecostal churches.
Speaker 8: I was like, even though you guys arguments.
Speaker 3: Suck, I could kind of.
Speaker 2: Get where you're coming from.
Speaker 12: Because a lot of them churches are atheist factory.
Speaker 1: Right right right? Yeah exactly. Yeah. Well, I mean I'm
glad you found Orthodoxy. That's good to hear. I noticed
when we were at the Ludwell conference there was like
at least eight or ten black dudes there, which it
surprised me. I didn't expect to see a bunch of
black dudes there. But I appreciate your comments today and
what's up, Hbrises, You want to say something about that?
Speaker 2: No, I left one thing out because I realized, you know,
I answered that I didn't. I couldn't. I can't really
speak to you know what's happened. Maybe you know, blacks
having us underlying you know, hatred white in years past,
but as far as my life time, they always have.
I'm talking from a very young age, like very very
young age. The second grade. I had a kid named
heart h r T spelled spelled like that. He got suspended.
I'm like, he stood up in class, he got like
there was some some some small confrontation between him and
him and the teacher, our teach him is part and
he literally shouted to the top of as lung as
I hate white people. I'm not making this up. I
swear to God.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So like we were seven, obviously we were second grade.
We were seven, yeah, seven years old at that point.
So yeah, it started and started home, and they keep
it with him, you know, as they get older. And
I had the idea one work thing. Yeah, And obviously
I'm everybody against everybody on Twitter at least can clearly
tell I'm heterosexual. My son is literally laying on my
chest in my profile picture. But I took dance in
eighty three and I wound up like failing the very
last I saignment because there was there was a part
of a dance where you had to do a hip hop.
I wasn't doing that, ship man. It's basically like shaking
your ass, So I'm not I'm not doing that.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I only brought that up because you know, you were
doing the whole you were talking about the whole love.
Speaker 1: You know you're the senior play west Side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it was fun all right, man?
Speaker 15: That was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny. I mean so basically h Broseley saying
he was not Tupac because if you watch those clips
of Tupac, Tupac seems a little a little light in
his loafers. Anyway, Oh, I forgot to play the rest
of this clip here. I got totally distracted. Did you
did you want to say something to fother dickon Arrow
became a member or has been a member, He says,
will you bring me up? I am an icon of
the father, Yes, father Diagon. Do you want to say something?
Speaker 2: Well, at least you didn't grow up like doing what
was the mc hammer dance? Do you know what I'm
talking about?
Speaker 1: The like where he like.
Speaker 16: Like like all these dances like in the late eighties.
Speaker 2: Like the Running Man Roger Rabbit.
Speaker 1: No, I remember, No, we did the Bart Simpson and
the Roger Rabbit. I grew up with that because I
was in California. I grew up at that time in California.
Speaker 8: Actually I said, at least like that was better that
that was actually a better time.
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah, I don't even remember. How do you
do this? Let's let's say, here's the black dude is
going to show us how to do it.
Speaker 2: How do you do.
Speaker 1: You know to do the bark Simpson. So when I
was in like fifth grade in California, this is what
everybody's trying.
Speaker 2: To do to the bar.
Speaker 17: An that time, Simpsons were a brand new bar Simpson
was the man.
Speaker 2: He was the home boy.
Speaker 1: Would do that sort of like he would like shuffle
and it looks like he's start out.
Speaker 17: We're going to go side the legs first. Let's start
with the legs right center together. So we're going to
try and.
Speaker 1: You're not an authority over black people when it comes
to dances. So this this, this black man is going
to do the Roger Rabbit and show us up. I
didn't even know that's what it was. I think I'm
thinking of the Running Man. No, what's the other one?
I just went blank.
Speaker 2: Did you say Roger Rabbit or the two?
Speaker 1: There's another one that I can't remember of or I
can't think of. Uh do you not do the Cupid shuffle?
We went to? So this is a funny story. When
I when I was about ten years ago and uh
my stepbrother was getting married and we were at it
was a pretty big wedding and everybody I know, I
mean not the like senior citizens, boomers, but like everyone
gen X and under millennial. When the Cupid shuffle came on, everyone,
all white people got up and did this dance, and
it blew my mind. I was like, how do all
of these white people in Tennessee know how to do
this Cupid scheff?
Speaker 2: I got another one for you, criss cross can make
you jump jump?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay. Anyway, so I guess the white people
have been watching the instructional videos from this black guy
on how to do the keep it shuffles. All of
my family knew how to do this, and I was like,
what is going on? How did anybody learn this? Anyway?
Kick kick to the left, to the left to the
right to the right anyway, it's a popular wedding dance.
Speaker 2: What's up, icon, Hey Jay, how's going. I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm good, So I believe it or not.
Speaker 15: I was gonna call in and talk about Trump because
he did something extremely illegal. But since you had like
a couple of black guys on, I just want.
Speaker 2: To let you know.
Speaker 15: I'm also a black guy, and our church has a
couple of black people who know exactly who you are,
and they joined Orthodoxy because of you.
Speaker 4: WHOA.
Speaker 15: I just want to Yeah, I wanted to let you know, like, yes, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta even word pass from me.
Speaker 2: So that's one two.
Speaker 15: I'm gonna let you know, like you're the biggest reason
for like why most of the black people in our
church converted. So like don't let nobody who's weird like
let you know, Like, oh, like it doesn't work combating stupid.
Speaker 2: No, like you actually converted a lot of our church.
Speaker 4: Since like twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: One, Like our church has like exploded.
Speaker 2: Like quadruple.
Speaker 1: Somebody said we're collecting homies.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, we would be a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's funny. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Er wait wait, wait, I have one one more things.
I want to. This is the important one that.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 4: So it was about Trump.
Speaker 15: I don't know if you know too much about tech,
but apparently in video is like a monopolistic corporate.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest AI.
Speaker 15: Yes, so apparently they tried to buy Intail. They pumped
five billion dollars into Intail.
Speaker 2: I heard about that, so if you look on.
Speaker 15: I don't remember the page, but Trump has a speech
about breaking in video up and then apparently he found
out in video was powerful and had a lot of money,
so he decided not to do it. So he actually
pumped fifty billion dollars into in video right now, So
they invested in a monopolistic corporation. So I don't know
if you know too much about that, but like what
he's doing right now, and I think he did that
because all the other bs is going on, so he
just did that in secret and nobody's saying anything about it.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's new to me, but I'm not surprised.
But also I think one of the other things that
Trump did that I didn't really care for was they
got really heavily into all coins and then because originally
it was big coin, Strategic reserve and all that, which
is good, and then suddenly it's like, oh, we're also
going to have World Liberty coin, and we're going to
have this other coin and that coin and all this
other stuff, which what happens is a Milania coin and
these end up being like rug pulls, right, So that
was that was a sus stuff there, So I'm not surprised, Matt.
Let's see, we're not doing tag stuff, So if you
want to ask me tag questions, I'm just I'm not
in the move for that agent. What's up? But you
can all learn to do the Cupid shuffle, what's up?
Speaker 4: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 18: Jay?
Speaker 13: I was listening to your live stream the other day
and I think you and father Anna and I were
write about the modern dating.
Speaker 2: I'm twenty eight, so man can't just point at woman.
Speaker 13: And say it's all her fault because that's what Adam did, right,
So we obviously learned from Saint Adam's lesson and we.
Speaker 2: Don't repeat that.
Speaker 13: But so kind of a different perspective I want to
offer is like life moves so fast.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to.
Speaker 13: School, I work, I'm writing a novel. So it seems
like there's just not time to.
Speaker 4: Interact with women.
Speaker 13: So I don't know that. I just kind of wanted
to offer that perspective. It's not so much finger pointing
at women and saying they're the problem. I guess it's
just growing up and not having much time to interact
with them.
Speaker 1: Now, I thought I thought about this today. Actually, funny
you said that because I was thinking, well, because I
was listening to this guy who makes videos on the
attitudes and morals of different class structures, so you know,
working class, lower class, upper middle class, wealthy class. This
guy makes interesting videos on class attitudes, and he was
talking about how things that were more normative for lower
classes become normal as the economy declines for all the classes,
even the upper class. Oddly enough, because well, I guess
there's different reasons for it. But it's called prole drift
p ro l e proll from Proletariat or you know
nineteen eighty four when Orwell talks about the proles, that's
the working class. And so I meant to actually mention
this guy's video, but one of the things he talked
about is the attitudes of dating and courting and all
that kind of stuff in the different social strata and
the different classes. So he's a finance bro, so it's
not Marxist class warfare. He's just like a finance dude
that analyzes class attitudes. And I was thinking about that because, Yeah,
I think if you if you're a young guy and
you don't have money, then you might not want to
You're not You're probably not going to focus on chicks
because you don't have the ability to really set that
up right, So you might want to focus on building
a business, getting financially situated, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 8: For sure, Hey, can I add something so, you know,
talk to some of the young guys to They said,
of Z.
Speaker 2: Generation guys, they feel.
Speaker 16: A tremendous pressure to get married right away, and we
need to as clergy, we have to address that. Like
you said, I guess we could kind of maybe I
don't know, we call her in maybe can kind of
talk about that, like do you feel that, what are
the kind of reasons why, because really you need to
kind of, like as Jay was saying, you know, the
young guys need to kind of work on becoming men
and becoming established so they have something to offer the women.
But all the young guys I've talked to you are
like paralyzed that, like they have to find a wife
right away.
Speaker 1: No, everything has been delayed, right, So what younger generations
would have done thirty four years ago at age twenty five,
people are now doing at age thirty five and forty.
So that's just a necessity. And one thing that this
finance bro says that I'd not really thought about was,
although we can't make everything socioeconomic factors, socioeconomic factors do
actually play a pretty big role in a lot of this.
For example, one reason why people don't get married younger
is that they don't have the income and the stability
that boomers had when they were you working a lifetime job.
They were going to live in one city. That was
still normal back at the time of the boomer era
when they were getting married, buying a house and so forth.
That's a lot harder nowadays because what's been normalized is
gig economy. You're going to move probably ten times in
your life. Right, it's a lot different. So what that
means is that unfortunate people and myself included, Right, I'm
pretty much on the edge of millennial and Gen X,
so I can kind of shift between both like a
reptilian shape shifter. Gross exactly, I can be what I
need to be.
Speaker 2: I should have qualified that. By the way, not all
Zoomers think that way.
Speaker 8: It's Orthodox zoomers because you look at other Zoomers and
I don't want anything to do with marriage, right. But
I'm just trying to figure this out because you know,
is gen x or I feel the pressure of getting
married like and so is it just something right?
Speaker 1: But you weren't Orthodox when you were that age.
Speaker 2: I know That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to think
through Mike. Is that just because I was an Orthodox?
Speaker 8: What is it about young guys becoming Orthodox or like,
I've got to get married like as fast as possible.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess because they think, you know, either going
to be in monastic life or married life. So because
I wake up every day with a boner, I got
to get married, right. So but I would say the
end of the world, yeah, I would say probably a
lot of people are going to have to. It's probably
gonna take a little while to get situated because the
world is so different. This guy has an interesting point here,
So here let's listen to what he says here. Prole
drift is the idea that what is usually or what
has been norms for the poor class, the working poor, uh,
the precarious precarious class, which is interesting, that's that's also
a class, and the blue collar people. Their norms become
gradually the norms of the higher strata over time as
the economy gets bad, which is fascinating.
Speaker 19: Only the process which behaviors, norms, and aesthetics that originate
from the proletariat, so like the working class or the
precariates most likely spread upward into the middle or even
the upper classes. In modern times, since we developed welfare state,
a lot of negative social trends, often from the dependent classes,
trickle up into the precario and working classes and work
their way up there. Instead of trickle down aspiration, where
people try to aspire to achieve the goals and status
symbols of those above them, or try to live like
the ways the people of the upper classes. People tend
to cope with the chance the odds they'll never make
it up there and they've lost the status and the
class of their upbringing, so they adopt and reband the
lower class behavior as a lifestyle choice. It starts to
downward social mobility, which leads to esthetic or ideological reframing.
The normalization that behavior leads to further downward mobility and
often can be a doom spiral.
Speaker 1: So another thing that is relevant here is that he
points out that a lot of the things that are
actually socially engineered behaviors like tiny living, austerity, and minimalism,
those are actually signs not of lifestyle choices, but poverty
and economic decline. Speaking of the US economy in general, Yes,
I will link the video. Don't worry, and you don't
need to worry about my I don't understand these people
coming to the chather like they want to know all
about my personal life. Just you can just assuage your
consciences and your desire to expose me by I'm going
to go ahead and tell you I am in a
Panamanian drug lord cult and I work for the KGB
and it's all fake. So there you go.
Speaker 2: No, you should set up like.
Speaker 8: A special membership for people who like paid two three
thousand dollars and then you can actually go over all
the private details of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to figure out how to monetize the deep,
dark secrets of my life. Let's see, Yeah, but I
want to I'm thinking of a Panamanian drug lord with
one of those one of those hats, like a drug
lord hat, like a nor Jega type of dude, but
not a kernel hat like a hey man.
Speaker 8: I lived in Panama, Thank Hulu man, think it easy?
Speaker 1: Panama, Panama? What's uh?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're asking me how many kids I have? The real
question is how many illegitimate kids do I have?
Speaker 19: It usually originates from economic necessity, not freshly. Why all
these people adopted these quote unquote trashies adopting certain lifestyle
example traits. The most blatant example, which we've been talking
about in several videos recently, is marriage. The idea of
marriage being optional is more that marriage is inaccessible. The
narrative adopters you don't need to get married to validate
your relationship. The reality is that median income individuals can
no longer afford to marry or support a household in
the traditional way in a high cost of living city.
As a result, marriage has become a status good and
achievement for unlocking financial stability, and not a starting point.
Instead of saying I can't afford to get married, yet
you say I don't want marriage to cope with the
fact you may never be able to afford the wedding
you dream of. The other one is this idea of
several alternative lifestyles. The traditional thing is, especially for men
and most generations, is that I want to get an
education and work hard so that I can make enough
money to provide for a stay at home wife, has
a few kids and give them a better life.
Speaker 3: Than I had.
Speaker 19: And that was able to work for several generations in
American history, mostly in the mid twentieth century. When I
can I have force has changed and it became more
difficult and impossible to achieve that a lot of people
instead of saying, oh, I can't really afford to have
the traditional family lifestyle, I'll try to invalidate and say, oh,
I never wanted that. I want a more alternative lifestyle
with more free expression.
Speaker 1: I can. Yeah. And he's pointing out that like it's
sold as if it's freedom and bohemian lifestyle and all
this stuff, when it's actually cultural engineering and it's from
the top down. Anyway, he doesn't get conspiratorial with it,
but that's kind of basically what he's saying. He gives
a bunch of examples of things that for example, car culture,
monster trucks, you know, people getting their you know, trucks
jacked up, the obsession with pit bulls, people being really
interested in bizarre things like bowling, leagues, acts, throwing like
a lot of these, everybody dressing down casual all the time.
He lists a bunch of things that are really interesting.
I'm not gonna play this whole video, but if you
want to check it out, it was It was an
interesting cultural analysis. And he was also talking about how,
you know, marriage usually took a degree of money and stability,
and so as the economy declines, that just automatically makes
marriage more and more difficult. So yeah, here's the here's
the Panama jackat I don't know why I can't think
of Panama Jack, which also I think functions as an
nice drug lord chic sort of hat. So this is
this is my real attire. Also, do you know about
the Disney adults. Isn't this interesting because we did podcasts
some I don't know, ten years ago where we talked
about this would be the future where people would begin
to adopt theme park lifestyles they would actually want to
live in theme parks, and I'm still predicting that as
things get crazier, you're actually gonna have communities that eventually
evolved and developed from this pop culture gibberish. So you're
gonna have people going and living in Star Wars world.
You're gonna have people living in Harry Potter World. I'm
not kidding. We're already getting what the Pope of the
future predicted almost ten years ago, target cities and Walmart cities.
They're building high rises now on top of targets and Walmart's,
Sam's Clubs, etc. So just wait, we're not far from
this is the phase before it. Disney Adults.
Speaker 14: This is just a small selection of YouTube shorts with
the tag Disney bound Today.
Speaker 1: We're Disney bounding as a character from Aladdin.
Speaker 14: If you don't know, Disney says costume and costume masks
may not be worn in the park. Disney Bounding is
the enthusiastic way to get around it if you are
bound for Disney.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the Internet keeps cutting out acting weird.
Today the stream seems to be good, so at least
it's not cutting out. Okay, So now there's Disney Adults
which is, by the way, we're in Florida, so I'm
aware of this. In fact, we were just talking about
people who live this Disney line not too long ago,
and I noticed it the last time that I went
to Disney, which was several years ago. But I noticed,
why are all these weird adults seemingly obsessed with this?
Were you gonna say.
Speaker 8: Something, hey, so you know I came from it back
in Anaheim, the original Disney, not the fake version for it.
Speaker 2: What's up with the club in your place?
Speaker 1: You're John? We can't hear you. It's super bad, static, John. No,
Club Club thirty three is a quasi Masonic secret society.
Even though Walt himself wasn't a Freemason. He was I
think in demo let when he was a kid, and
he sort of utilized this idea of Disney having its
own sort of secret society called Club thirty three. I
wouldn't be surprised if there's not something nefarious about it.
But what were we gonna say?
Speaker 8: Well, I was just wondering if they had one over
in Florida, because they had one in Disneyland, a Club three.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they have one at both of them.
I know there's I know about the one you're talking about,
and it's it's like a just a single door, like
it's a secret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta pay much of money to get in.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it could be nefarious or could
just be like another monetary scam, you know, scamming people
that pay exorbitant amounts of money to be in Club
thirty three or whatever.
Speaker 14: But Walt weirdo Disney freak. I was shocked to learn
that the term Disney adult is so new. You can
find the phrase as early as nineteen ninety two and
in a guide book a year later, but both are
largely in the context of a full Disney family. The
modern sensibility is the Urban Dictionary definition a millennial adult
with or without kids that can't stop talking about Disney.
Speaker 1: What a weird dystopian situation. This is crazy, John, Did
you want to try again? All right? So the internet's
just not one to work, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: No? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, Club thirty three. So there was a restaurant.
I mean, I'm sure it's still there, but there was
a restaurant right next to Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: The secret room was where Club thirty three was.
Speaker 20: And as far as I know, like you guys were saying,
it's like kind of a exclusive, like you know, you
just pay a higher price to get in there.
Speaker 4: And but I had a friend who got in.
Speaker 20: A fight at Disneyland one time, and there is a
Disneyland underground yeah.
Speaker 1: And because yeah tunnels.
Speaker 20: Yeah, he got in a fight at Disneyland and they
they immediately knew where the fight was happening and all
swarmed on him and took him. And this is from
his description. He got taken into an underground tunnel and
then it led to another side of the park and
the cops were waiting there to pick him up and
take him to jail.
Speaker 2: Oh, it gets crazier than that. They have actually underground.
They have a morgue and jail cells.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like we called growing up at Disney and we
called it the DA.
Speaker 2: This is an analogien's agency because they had little things
like there.
Speaker 16: Yeah, they have cameras and and then they're like.
Speaker 2: They got in a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 8: I can't remember. It was probably about twenty five thirty
years ago. Somebody died and they just handled it. Yeah,
I remember the person of the body and the morgue
and the police were like, what do you mean you
handled They're like, well.
Speaker 2: We're just for the d for the DIA. We just
dealt with it.
Speaker 1: No, you're not actually far from the truth in the
sense that I mean Disneyland actually has its own police,
they have their own constitution, and they're actually legally kind
of a state within a state, believe it or not exactly.
And that's because build Onovan and the CAA actually helped
Walt procure the land in Florida, So that's why they
have this really special status. Going back a.
Speaker 20: Long time, the speaking to this, the stuff earlier pertaining
to I can't remember what the guy called in about,
but like cybernetics and Gregory beats, and they were even
doing tests on like the way newspaper articles traveled between people.
And what they would do is they would plant certain
newspaper articles in certain neighborhoods and they would see how
and they would see how fast it traveled by word
of mouth. And that's like the early development of cybernetics
and information travel is they were even doing it even
before any sort of digital scape or internet or anything.
They were already seeing how fast and stories and newspapers
that they purposely planted would travel by word of mouth
and if it would make it back to like their
agent that they had planted in a in a.
Speaker 2: Neighborhood or something, that's crazy.
Speaker 20: Yeah, that's that's like in the forties when they were
doing that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so like all the you.
Speaker 20: Know, what's the uh, what's the book I'm thinking of
Ecology of the Mind by Greg Ray Bates and he
kind of talks about that in there, and they were, yeah,
like all the stuff you're talking about, you know, Rand
Corporation in uh what the Mind has no firewall?
Speaker 2: Yes, and all those.
Speaker 20: Papers, that stuff once it gets into the digital scape.
Speaker 2: And I know this sounds wild. It doesn't sound wild.
Speaker 20: To you guys, but they tested all that stuff out
in the real world first, and the speed of information
as it traveled from person to person by way of
newspaper and television and radio, and that's how they were
able to develop information speed in the digital world.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This article says Walt did not hire the CIA
to help him build Disney World. Not exactly. However, he
hired two CIA members, Paul Hallowell and Bill Donovan, to
strategically acquire the real estate under the names of numerous
fake companies. Donova's law firm was set up as Reedy
Creek Ranch Corporation, enabling Disney to buy the entirety of
the property for an average of only a few hundred
dollars acre. So again, from the very inception of Disney,
it was a CIA operation. And that's why I think
you see such a close connection between it and the
Semen's Corporation, which builds Epcot and is the sponsor of Epcot,
and why there's so many weird, you know, mind control
in chault type stuff that's been there from the beginning
with Disney. Now, I don't know that that means that
Walt himself was like super deep involved and do everything.
I mean, a lot of these people I don't. I mean,
he might have been a weirdo. He seems a little
bit of an oddball, but I don't know that he
himself was some you know, super mk ultra handler type
of person. I think more so probably what Disney is
is a way, as Gregory bates And said, to capture
the imagination, rather than being a promoter of creativity and
the imagination. Gregory eights And said if you really wanted to.
And he was one of the mk Ultra operatives. He said,
if you really wanted to control people, you have to
capture their imagination. So I think that that's the role
that Disney plays, which is cultural engineering and in that sense,
mind control on a mass scale more so than like
if you remember that movie Escape from Tomorrow Land or
so Escape Escape from Tomorrow, Escape From It's a good
independent movie that is pretty creepy and in many ways
kind of predicted the trick that the Disney would take
and did take some of It's pretty dark, so I'm
gonna I'm gonna warn you if you do intend to
watch it. It's a really well done indie film. Is
that Make sure I got the title right? Yeah? This
is Escape from Tomorrow and it's a it's about this
family that goes. It's all black and white, really weird,
creepy stuff starts happening. There's a lot of references to
m k LT mind control stuff, kids disappear. A lot
of the stories that you hear, you know, the sort
of nefarious things you hear about Disney, are in the film.
And I won't spoil it for you, but it is
is pretty wild. Supposedly the movie was acts was made
in Disney without Disney's approval. I'm not sure I believe that, because,
as John says, yeah, anything that happens in Disney like
they're they're immediately on it. And I've noticed that too.
I remember, you know, when I was there, there's cameras everywhere.
They know everything happening in the in the in the park.
So I tend to think that that's probably not true
that this movie was made with some tacit underground approval.
But there's one very revealing thing in the movie that
I'm not gonna spoil that has a lot to do
with the gender propaganda that goes on. That's actually in
Escape from Tomorrow if you pay attention. So I didn't
want to play a little bit of this.
Speaker 21: I forgot to be back in December of twenty twenty four,
and now Representative Barry Laudermilk, chair of the House Administration's
Subcommittee on Oversight, has called for more details on whether
these newly reviewed.
Speaker 1: All right, never mind, it's not going to work for
whatever reason, the Internet keeps cutting out. So this was
an interesting story that popped up today. Soros Sex Dungeon.
I remember actually, I think years ago this came out. Yeah,
and I remember talking to Patrick Henningson about this former
New York financier who managed money for Soros has been
arrested on charges spanning bait fraud and human tr f
f I C K I n G supposedly spend a
million dollars on such activities. Yes, this was the New
York City Manhattan BDSM sexe. This was in the news
years ago, and I'm not sure why it's just now happening,
but you'll notice he has a bruise. Remember when all
the famous people suddenly popped up with bruises, including Pope Francis.
Where they all going to weird sex dungeons? I mean,
I don't know what that was, like, why were they
Why do they all have black eyes? All of a sudden,
Trump is ordering troops to Portland. So now we're getting
the situation where because the left has basically said burned
the cities down, this was the Podesta plan. Alex is
correct about that. If you go and find the actual
New York Times articles and the stuff that they were
writing at that time, and then that justifies the quote
martial law because the cities can't even function without, you know,
troops on the street everywhere, like it's some sort of
third world country, And why wouldn't it be a third
world country when we brought in the third World into
the country by design. So things are getting crazy. I
don't know where it's going. Everybody asks me, where's it going.
I don't know if we have time to watch all this.
I did want to watch this interview because Larry Johnson
seems to be a pretty decent former CIA analyst that
Patrick Henningson has had on. He seems to understand a
lot of these geopolitical conflicts, including Israel, very well, and
he was on with Rachel Blevins, who just had Jim
jatras on. But I've not watched this yet. But I
don't know if we have time to watch this, and
the internet seems to keep cutting out, so I guess
there's no point in that. Let's see who's next in
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for five dollars. I'm at an oca mensa tree and
the speaker keeps bringing up quote WORTHO bros. Why are
they obsessed? Why are they mad? At about zealous converts.
A lot of reasons. The OCA is closely aligned with
the aspects of the State Department and the deep state.
You could say, doesn't mean everybody's bad. It doesn't mean
all the church is bad. It just means that there's
a long standing relationship there that goes back to the
Cold War. A lot of the OCA is Americanists first
in orthodox Second, a lot of the OCA is a
top down sort of military like structure. So they're told
these people bad. Don't worry about investigating it. See that's
the case, just trust us. So, I mean it's a
complex situation. There's also I'm sure people are envious because
they feel like they should have the attention and the
people should be listening to them, and why are they
listening to these people on the internet. So, I mean
there's a lot of different reasons. Why. Also, they don't
control guys that are listening to me and convert to Orthodoxy.
They want people structured and brought in and sifted out
according to whether they you know, take orders, and whether
they're good, you know, people pleasers. They would rather have
controllable soy men going into the priesthood than people that
you know, are critical thinkers and know the theology and
the argumentation who will probably not submit to For example,
if the OCA went in the direction of skittle stuff,
I'm not saying that they're right now. I'm saying that
the OSAA moves in the direction and wanting to be
recognized by the EP, which they do. If they go
in the direction of wanting to have a single American
jurisdiction all that kind of stuff that the epe go
arch and the CAA in the State Department want for
American Orthodoxy, the people who will oppose that are people
like myself and all the people that listen to what
I talk about. So that's that's why that's really simple
right there. They want to eventually go towards Rome. They
want to eventually have Ecumenism, and they won't to eventually
have skittle stuff. Not every OCA, parish or person. I'm
talking about certain bishops and hierarchs and compromise people. That's
the direction they want to go, and so naturally they
would have to say that anybody like myself or anyone
that would oppose that are all bad people. And you
can list any reason that you want why I'm back.
So G twenty six five dollars. From now on, all
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one or two. You apparently have a whole gang. Yeah.
I guess I have more black fans than I realize.
That's interesting. Saint Sizzle twenty dollars. How do you reconcile
Romans ninth through eleven that talks about the quote future
salvation with the Jews, with the second Exodus motif, and
all of the imminent time statements of the New Testament.
I guess you're are you talking about partial preterism, Like
why wouldn't not Romans ninth through eleven be fulfilled in
a partial preadist way or a full predis way, like
somehow before seventy eighty. I mean, do you think that
the world and Judaism as a whole converted before seventy AD.
I just think that's kind of preposterous.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's crazy. There's a guy I don't know who
is the person.
Speaker 22: There's somebody that says they're interesting worth the box, either
convinced by the arguments, but they can't leave full preterism.
And I'm like, I can't think of a stupider position.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can be fished.
Speaker 1: I mean, this could be this person. I don't. They
don't really say what they're talking about. They asked me
if if my reconciliation is the doctrine of recapitulation. I
don't think that has anything to do with that. I don't.
I'm not understanding your argument, Saint Sizzle, I apologize.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's somebody different. Yeah, so it's come up.
Speaker 8: You know, it might be an interesting stream just for
you and I to do is a refutation of full prederism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do. I do have several clips
that have been clipped where we address the I mean,
for one, like it ends up denying the bodily resurrection.
Evil is eternal, So it ends up being a Manichean
dualist position, which is just kind of preposterous. But h
Rossey ten dollars. He says pitbulls are just black people
in dog form. That's a black guy saying that, not me,
So you can't can't me when he says that if
you're going to cancel me, it's you have to cancel
me for being Bernardo in West Side Story Eb. Five dollars. No,
we did that journey of abound twenty dollars. How would
you respond to some person saying that since Covenant blessings
and curses in the Old Testament are not contingent upon
the real presence, then why would First Corinthians eleven thirty
be contain blessings and cursings? And so the symbolic view
of the Eucharist is not gnostic. That's a really weird
line of argumentation because the argument assumes that because it's
like a parts whole fallacy. So because some things in
the Old Testament are the basis for blessings and cursings,
there can't be anything different in the New Testament that
contains blessings and cursings. And that just seems to be
a completely bizarre line of argument. I mean, Jesus applies
the blessings and cursings to the Church and Revelations two
and three. The Church doesn't exist in that form in
the Old Testament. So would I then say that you
can't apply the blessings and cursings to the church. I mean,
it just doesn't follow from the fact that because there's
blessings and cursings in the Old Testament without the real Presence,
that there couldn't be blessings and cursings attached to the
real presence. It's just silly. I mean, the whole point
of the argument is that you're you're going to potentially
kill yourself, unlive yourself spiritually and perhaps even physically because
you do not regard the reality of the sacrament. It's
just a non secutor. What are you going to say?
Speaker 8: Hey, just on topic, there's a guy common sense two
three two three is requesting. He said he made a
bad joke and he got blocked by you, but he
really likes you.
Speaker 1: And wants to Okay, I'll try to find I'll try
to find that profile.
Speaker 2: He's one of your favorite followers, he says.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, sometimes the people that say that are lying.
But I'll see counterdox five dollars. Can you ask your
niece Natalia Dier to give me an autograph?
Speaker 7: Thanks?
Speaker 1: It's funny, I noticed I don't have any knowledge that
I'm related to her. By the way, there's like tens
of thousands of people with name Dier. It's a pretty
common English name. But I think she is from Tennessee,
which is odd. She's the girl from Stranger Things, not eleven,
but the sister. Yeah, she's from Nashville. Actually, Natalia Danielle
Dyer is from Nashville, and she kind of has that
kind of smushed pixie pixie girl type of face. Anyway,
individuated Unity, did you want to say something.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 23: I had a comment earlier about something related to the
Disney comment and all that.
Speaker 2: It kind of took me a minute to get on.
Speaker 23: But the have you heard of Fermi Lab and the
symbolism around the Fermi Lab. It's like a government laboratory
where they do uh I honestly don't know what they do.
It's like particle accelerating, but the symbolism behind it is wild,
and I just I was kind of curious about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know about it. I mean I know about
like the the cern and all the symbolism of.
Speaker 23: The You would be really interested in this f e
r M EI.
Speaker 1: Or if I know, I don't know.
Speaker 23: About this lab, but if you look up the symbolism
like forer me lab symbolism, the cult symbolism within their
branding and everything is pretty wild.
Speaker 2: I just let you be interested in that.
Speaker 1: Where where I read about the occult.
Speaker 23: I would just say, look look up a like google
Fermi lab a symbolism and you'll you'll find they're like
they've had several branding things for decades, decade gone, and
it's just wild occult symbolism. But it's the fact that
it's a a government laboratory and that they're they.
Speaker 2: Who knows what they do? Honestly, who knows what they do.
It's kind of wild lab.
Speaker 23: But anyway, the symbolism behind it's wild, like people think
they do time travel or whatever they're doing. I don't know,
but anyway, just kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate that. I'll check it out. I got
it pulled up here. It looks like they're it looks
like they're pulling from like mcsher type stuff or I
don't know if that's what this is. Let's see.
Speaker 7: Symmetry magazine.
Speaker 1: Lucky Dog. What's up. I'm met.
Speaker 2: A J Canary. Yeah.
Speaker 24: Hey, I'm first of all, I want to say I'm
a huge fan. I am a self confessed ortho bro,
I'm ashamed Orthobro. I'm in kind of a weird situation
because I was attending an Antiochian parish up here in
uh in, Maine on the coast, and the priest said
that he was one of the people in your discord
for a while and was like very complimentary to you,
and complimentary to a lot of people in like the
online Orthodox space.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 24: Was very you know, based in red build for lack
of a better praise, But basically the dude was placating
me and like a bunch of the other people who
were more theologically astute, I guess for just to say,
and was also placating sort of the more Americanist individualist
pacifist type people as well.
Speaker 2: And it turned out that basically the guy was like.
Speaker 24: Poisoning the well with a lot of these more pacifists
sort of casually not so theologically astute people, to try
to turn them against the people at our parish who
were more Orthobra adjacent, to the point where literally like
we were told that we were trying to start a
coup and that we were like violent people. And basically
I getting kicked out because I brought all this stuff
to the parish council into the bishop. So I kind
of am in a weird spot right now because it's
the only parish within like two hours from me.
Speaker 2: Kind of curious if you had any advice.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an odd story. I've never heard of a
situation like that. I mean, there there have not been
very many clergy that we're in that discord. I'm not
really active in that discord like I used to be,
at least not for the last several years.
Speaker 24: So I'm happy to say the guy's name because I mean,
at this point I'm ready to go public.
Speaker 1: But I mean priests are public figures. So I mean,
if you.
Speaker 24: Yeah, his name is father justin Slaughter dotye and the
parish is Saint Euphemia Orthodox Church in Rockland. May very
very weird guy. I'm kind of exasperated on it because
even the bishop, Bishop John out of out of Worcestern, Massachusetts,
is like he tells us like, oh, you know, he'll
take me six months to look into this because like
myself and like several other families have come to him
about this and have raised issues and basically we're all
told to take a hike because the parish council acknowledges
that there's an issue, but they are like, oh, we
don't have another priest to fill in, and so like,
you know, you guys got to leave. Basically, the guy
made an ultimatum and lied that I said I was
gonna threaten to hurt him or something, and then literally
like ran off to Massachusetts and said I'm not coming
back unless this guy leaves, and uh, you know, like
I'm honestly I'm in disbelief about it because I've never,
like in a million years.
Speaker 2: Done that.
Speaker 1: I've never heard I mean, I don't know this person,
never heard of them. So it's weird when when people say, oh,
I know him, I used to be in the discord
and this and that. That's like I have no idea
who this person is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I figured, I mean the dude
is like at this point, you.
Speaker 24: Know, locally is a reputation for like not you know,
telling the truth of hundred percent. But yeah, yeah, it's
just it's been super weird. Basically, like was giving coded
homilies Sunday saying to people that they were like heretics
within the parish and like schismatics trying to tear things
apart and all this kind.
Speaker 2: Of stuff is super bizarre. Man.
Speaker 24: I think back to a lot of some of the
stuff that you said in the past about some of
these sort of corrupt figures, corrupt bishops, corrupt parrish priests
and stuff like that, and then I can't help but
think that the guy may be compromising in some way
or maybe working towards some sort of political goal, because
it's to me, it's not indicative of somebody who is
working honestly or in good faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, did you get them. Usually what happens
with these kinds of situations or with these individuals is
like they're actually just like liberals, Like their their whole
ethos is like they're you know, they come from a
Democratic party family, their their families or you know liberals
or you know, that kind of a thing, and then
they bring that to you know, their priesthood or their
their religion, which ironically and then they're the ones that
are always touting stuff like you know, we don't bring
politics into orthodoxy and we don't, but they're actually like
political activists as their activist priests. So I mean, is
that do you think it was that or do you
think that like he was just told by higher clergy
to try to get rid of anybody that was quote
an ortho bro.
Speaker 3: If it was that, I would be like very I
think it would be pretty easy to identify.
Speaker 24: The weird thing about this guy is like he espouses
all the all the sort of same politics that like
people like you or me would say, like, you know,
he believes in like weather modification, he believes in all
this like like like he he knows a lot about
theology and he knows a lot about politics.
Speaker 2: And he even told me.
Speaker 24: At one point like so he and I used to
be like buddies when I first came to the parish,
and uh he he because he's like twenty seven, he's
a really young guy.
Speaker 2: I'm the young guy.
Speaker 24: Also, he told me that before he wanted to be
a priest, he wanted to be a politician, and that
he was like pen Palace was a big new Bershensky
and he was trying to trying to go to work
for him, And I.
Speaker 1: Was like, wow, all right, that sounds like a lie
right away. Well, pen pals was the big Nighbersenski first
of all, a twenty seven year old. I mean Brezenski
died like seven years ago or so so so he
was pen pals with Brezenski when he was nineteen or twenty.
It sounds like this is a person who's a pathological liar.
Speaker 24: Honestly, I would I would agree with that, but I
would say, I mean, some parts of his background I
do find interesting, like his his grandfather on his mom's
side was like the lawyer to Waylon Jennings.
Speaker 2: And but I ain't like that.
Speaker 1: First of all, then Berzsenski doesn't have time to be
pen pals with twenty year olds. That just sounds like complete,
That's like, that's actually funny.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he wasn't pen pals exactly. Maybe I'm misromon
ring or something.
Speaker 24: But he said basically he was working very hard to
try to be like an apprentice to it Vigi Bersinski
somehow when he was much younger.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that would mean that he comes from a
established if that's true, which I doubt it. That sounds
like an established Democratic Party family.
Speaker 24: Well, and again I verified like his grandfather actually was
Waylon Jennings, like Hank Williams junior, Johnny Cash's lawyer.
Speaker 2: Like that, that's like, well, I mean, what is that like?
Speaker 1: So what like I'm not trying to be rude, but like,
that's not like that's like, that's not like some power
player position to be Like, I mean, I know Hank
Williams Junior. It's not like I don't call it. I
don't call the shots because I know Hank Williams.
Speaker 2: No, I get what you're saying with that.
Speaker 24: I I'm not I'm not saying that's like, uh, you
know one hundred percent, you know, indisputable proof that he's okay.
Speaker 1: So Brazil eight years ago. So again, so if he's
twenty five or seven, would you say.
Speaker 2: Was I'm guessing he's twenty seven.
Speaker 24: I don't remember exactly, but he's I mean, he's definitely
under thirty five.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I Paul, I'm sorry you have a situation
like that. I would just try to wait until you
can find a different, you know, better church. I hate
to hear that, but father, you can. Do you have
any advice on clergy that try to say that everybody
who is is a listener of Jay Dyer is an
evil extremist who's gonna hurt people. It's just so ridiculous.
FDA are either all right, I guess he's ill disposed.
Maybe if he got a Ouiji board. He could be
a pen pal with Razinski from the other side, so
it's not too late to be that's actually funny. But
Mark Medlick five dollars, medic, are you reprising your well, No,
we already read that more Heads sixty four. Your Palpatine
sounds like Cobra Commander. That wasn't my Palpatine. That was
supposed to be Alex Jones's voice doing Palpatine. Jake the
guitar got fight dollars. If you was in the hood,
you would know us gangsters get into tickle fights all
the time. That's how real man so to hit beef.
We don't do this debate shit. No, I agree with that.
That's kind of a I mean, you got two levels
to this. You got dance fighting and then you got
the extreme tickle fights. Polycart FDA are either polycart. We
want to on mute.
Speaker 11: Tested tist. That's so I want to talk about it.
If your thinks go on actually one topic related about
sexually one topic, so I want to talk about too.
Quarantine six fourteen seventeen, where Saint Paul tells us not
to be an unequally yoke with unbelievers and what concord
has CHRISTI pelile come out of me, separate, come out
from midamie, separate says Lord, etcetera.
Speaker 4: But I don't think this is.
Speaker 2: Am Orthodox. I don't think this is I don't think.
Speaker 6: This rule is obeyed in the Orthodox Church in general,
because you have a clergy saying that it's okey to
marry a non Orthodox under certain exceptional situations, which is
which I say, is impossible potography, you have many Orthodox
having no non Orthodox friends. But actually, but whether it
be in the lives of the same sort of writings
of the stay we see, you see actually no example
of that, like like, for example, let's say let's take
marriage with Donox for example, I see multiple coculus. You
said it's allowed, can be alive.
Speaker 1: You said to not even have Orthodox non Orthodox friendship.
That's silly. Get out of here, dude, all right, you
can just go be pious on your own. What's up, Josh, Josh,
I'm you.
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 25: Ajay, how's it going, mate? Mane, Look, I'm just I'm
just sitting here with the cold foster's in my hand.
And look, let me tell you straight. The banks don't
actually want you to know this. But Sooshi. He was
an ausy.
Speaker 3: My dad said, my camera's on the run.
Speaker 25: There's lizard people and they're all panicking because kangaroo coins
about to replace the dollar.
Speaker 1: That was funny. Lead, what's up, fleet us? What's up?
I'm you.
Speaker 4: Mall.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not trying to be rude. I
was just waiting. I was waiting for it to make
me laugh, and it just it wasn't really making me laugh.
So I'm not I'm not being rude.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 8: Hey, Jay?
Speaker 9: I'm a newly converted all thoughts Christian from the UK.
My diets you' spinned the Ecumenical Patriarch. I think it's
twenty eighteen hour under Moscow. It's a rassianal thoughts parish
and I'm just curious to someone.
Speaker 2: Who's new to all of it.
Speaker 9: Can you explain why the Ecumenical Patriarch is doing what
he's doing in terms of the Ukraine situation, the ecumenism
and how is it to such a point by.
Speaker 1: Such a high Yeah, I have two old podcasts to
talk about that, so you can look up and then
in the interviews with Jim Jatras. So it's a little
too much to kind of rehearse all that, not being rude.
I'm just saying, like you can look up the old
podcast on that. So yeah, let's see Daniel h Yeah, Yeah,
go ahead, Yeah, are there.
Speaker 26: I have a comment to make on I wish father
or Nice is here, but I'll talk about my next
my next thing.
Speaker 2: So Sam Hyde kind of talked.
Speaker 26: About this, how uh, boomers and millennials are kind of
like the responsibility for why the West and especially the
like and politics have declined, because when you go to
like these leftist protests or I'm in California, I saw it,
and I work in LA and San Francisco and I
kind of see them occasionally, and it's just like forty
to fifty year old cairns with masks on and just
I don't know how it even gossip like bad? How
are boomers so brainwashed it's becoming like this, And the
millennials especially, they're the most like comfortable with just letting
Americans get replaced in their own countries, and like.
Speaker 2: Especially in the UK, like holy shit, it's so bad
over there.
Speaker 26: People are just complicit with getting replaced by third of olders.
Speaker 2: And my kind of question is, like there's a.
Speaker 26: Revival of Christianity in the West, especially among But do
you think it's gonna stay the same way because or
kind of be different because like all gen Z women
like I don't buy the traad wife like they're absolutely
brainwashed from TikTok as well into leftist ideologies.
Speaker 1: And yeah, uh well I would you're cutting out, we
can't hear you, But I would not. I would try
to avoid being black pilled because I don't think everybody's
bad and uh but at the same time, I mean,
you can't really control a lot of that stuff, So
I would worry more so about your own situation and
fixing things in your life rather than a temptation to
worry about what the boomers are doing at the protest,
what's happening in the UK. Like, none of that is
going to be fixed by you. I'm not saying you
can't read about it or be aware of it. It's
just not. As you get older, you're going to be
thinking more and more about your own situation and your
own potential mate and you can find good people. There
are still good In fact, we have at our church,
you know, girls that just showed up that are new
converts and young and I'm sure, the young guys at
our church are going immediately going to hop on those opportunities.
So I'm just saying, like, you can't be blackpilled and
think that everything is bad and every I mean, it
really depends on what you make of your situation in
your life. I know that sounds like every boomer says this,
every millennial says that, but it's true.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I used to be complaining as a twenty year old
that no, no, but no older person understands how about
it is and this and that, And then at a
certain point I was like, I'm not getting anywhere complaining
about this all the time, so I need to take
this time and energy and effort and put it into
actually changing.
Speaker 2: So what did I do?
Speaker 1: Well? Instead of whining and playing video games, I started
writing essays and that turned into a book, and that
book opened up the doorway to other things TV show, Right,
So it took a lot of time, it took a
lot of effort. And I'm not saying you have to
write a book. I'm just giving an example of like
I could have continued to lament my situation or whatever,
or decide to make the changes and deprioritize all the
things happening two thousand miles away. Right again, like a
lot of young guys are obsessed with politics, and it's like,
why are you even obsessed? It's like being obsessed with something.
It's it's almost as dumb as being obsessed with sports, right,
Like people that are smart young guys that get really
interested in politics, they dis guys that are into sports justifiably.
But then it's like, well, politics are just as dumb
as sports, because what are you, Like, are you actually
going to be out there on the field with Dontarius
or whatever, like whoever, I don't even know these sports
ball heroes are. But it's like, no, okay, well are
you going to be running a think tank in Washington
or a PR firm telling don Trump what to do?
Speaker 2: And no?
Speaker 1: So then who cares? Like what is the What does
any political shit actually do in your day to day
life to change your life?
Speaker 3: Not much?
Speaker 1: And by the time that you're thirty five and forty,
you're going to realize that the politicians come and go,
the scandals come and go. All the same rhetoric and
that you heard when you were eighteen is the same
rhetoric and stuff you're going to hear when you're forty
and has anything changed. Well, probably the dystopia marched on
regardless of the rhetoric of the politicians. So what does
that mean. It means that it's deprioritized. Doesn't mean you
can't be interested in it or whatever. But what should
I have done in my twenties? Put way more time
into building my own business and doing my own stuff,
figuring things out on my own, not whining and bitching,
not playing video games, not wasting time drinking at the
bar all the time, as I did in the twenties.
In my twenties, not in the nineteen twenties. I mean,
I understand, I appreciate the sentiment of thinking that you're
going to have some future young conservative man run for president,
but it's just so you guys are so naive. Man,
do you think the president actually changes things and controls things?
But I guess that's just something that twenty year old
guys are going to have to learn the hard way.
So you guys are going to learn the hard way,
and then as you get older, you'll see that what
we're saying is correct. Christ is risen. What's up? Even
if you got a based dude elected? Like, what do
you think that's going to do. Yeah, are you there?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yep, I saw.
Speaker 3: I just want to ask a quick question.
Speaker 27: My friend told me I'm here, so I hear a
lot of Orthodox say to Protestants, Oh, you just follow
the Canon of Jerome. My question to you is from
the Patristic age.
Speaker 1: Where it Rome? What are you talking about Bible?
Speaker 2: I mean what in Jerome?
Speaker 18: Er?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Orthodox say to like Protestants.
Speaker 2: Oh you just follow Jerome.
Speaker 1: Oh, I say, say, I see.
Speaker 3: Where do the Orthodox get their cannon?
Speaker 15: Front from the.
Speaker 1: Patristic Apostolic Canons and the Council of Rome. So one
of them is in the East, one of them is
in the West, and both of those accept the Doer
canonical books.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But isn't the Apostolic Canons that isn't it, missy?
Speaker 2: A couple of books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the point is that it accepts the duo canon.
So I'm not saying that that's the definitive state of
the canon being decided upon. That happens later a trollo.
I'm saying that by the fourth century the Church had
accepted in the East and the West the doer canonical texts.
I have been just go watch the videos on this book.
Go ahead. Oh, I have a whole response to west
Huff on this where I go through all of this.
Go ahead. That's that's basically all I want to accepts
the cannon that's in the Carthage list.
Speaker 7: Are you there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, that's basically all I want.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, you cut out there for a second. It
was hard to hear what you're saying. But yeah, stress test.
What's up? Yeah? The videos and clips addressing wes Huff
address do in more specific terms, stress test. Do you
want to I mute? I don't want the internet section.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm here, Go ahead, what's on your mind? Yeah?
This is our j Oklahoma. We just had quite a
visit to a conference business smith. Eric Trump showed up
to speak, uh, interesting aspects to that. I don't know
that it contribute much to the debate here, but I
just tuned in because my son's been a big listener.
Of course, I've heard you all on Info Wars your
show there. My son has become orthodox over the past years.
He's pretty pretty strong attendant, has got a couple of
kids and his wife. His life started going. Now we've
had our debates over whether there's a significant difference, and
I think there is, but I've never got it clear
with him what his major concern was. And my concern,
Jay is that Orthodox probably had the same cessationist doctrine.
That's the that Rome.
Speaker 1: That Rome has cessationism in the sense of miracles or
in the sense of Israel.
Speaker 4: What do you mean, I mean, I mean the supernatural
working of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: I don't think Orthodox Church or the Romancallic Church denies miracles.
Speaker 4: So as a regular practice, such as praying and the spirit.
Speaker 1: Well as Orthodox, we believe praying in the spirit is
noetic prayer, not what charismatic Pentecostals think.
Speaker 4: It helped me with that a little bit, meaning.
Speaker 1: Prayer of the heart. So it's a direct prayer and
perception of relationship with God that's not mediated. So it's
a more of an intimate inner prayer of the inner man,
not necessarily expressed with outward wrote prayers or something like that.
So it's an intimate form of prayer that we think
is real. But we don't believe that there are nude
public divine revelations because there's many places in the New
Testament where it's explicitly stated that revelation would cease in
the sense of public divine revelations. That immediately cuts off
all Pentecostal charismatic churches.
Speaker 4: You mean that there are three there are three expressions
of the Holy Spirit that are for you know, on
interpretation and speaking in an unknown language that the speaker
doesn't know, versus a personal player time of edification, which
is very different. That's a private that's a private form
of communication.
Speaker 28: The language you don't know is an actual language like
Latin or Romanian or something like that, and people aren't
doing that today.
Speaker 2: That was obviously that's a glossologia. That's the tongues of
the nations.
Speaker 8: We certainly don't believe that people speak unknown language and
unknown to anybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that absolutely does happen, and.
Speaker 2: Even should we believe it's either demonic or uh a
magication of mind.
Speaker 4: My uh passor that that was here in Tulisa for
a long time had notable miracles in his ministry, healing ministry,
who was in Russia when they first opened up, and
he was ministering through an interpreter, and then at one
point he was he just went into on his own.
A language is the Holy Spirit basically took over. He
was speaking, He was seping, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: How do you know that? How you know that that's
of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 2: You know, because I mean sorcerers and all kinds of
people can do miracles.
Speaker 4: Now, the point is that the listener was hearing Russian.
He was there opening a church with a minister who.
Speaker 2: You don't think You don't think demons have the.
Speaker 4: Power to do something demons can manifest? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well then how do you know that that was
of God and demonic?
Speaker 4: Well, it was a word to the to the lady
in line that spoke in the kind of encouragement that
it wasn't, you know, lying to her about something. It
was revealing things that only the Holy Spirit would know.
Dave Roverson does not know Russian.
Speaker 2: This was demons do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: You just admitted that demons can do that. So I'm
asking you, how do you know in this case it
wasn't the.
Speaker 4: Money I said demons can make. Demons can make. Uh,
I'm not saying they was speaking another language.
Speaker 1: They can, they can, So they don't know other languages.
Speaker 4: I think that they could go They're not going to
go manifest through a spirit field.
Speaker 1: And led the question, because how do we know that
they're actually filled with the Holy Spirit and not demonically energized?
Speaker 4: You mean the minister that is from know like the
one I know absolutely, I know.
Speaker 1: Well, we think we would say that you're all in delusion.
So the fact that you believe that you're of God,
I understand that you believe that sincerely, and I don't
mean to be rude to you, but I'm asking you,
how do we how does anybody else know publicly in
some verifiable way that that is the case.
Speaker 4: Because truth is spoken and it's not a Now, listen,
there are people that come up in a I want
to give credit to what you're saying. There there can
be uh familiar spirits is what they're called, that are
demonic that can tell someone, you know, how much money
is in the wallet, and and that's happened where uh
for that that gift has been abused? I will say that,
so it is it is an operating gift.
Speaker 8: The question is we're not saying stuff about wallets. The
devil quote scripture he uses.
Speaker 2: It's all the stuff that you're saying.
Speaker 8: So you're simply saying whoa he was preaching the gospel
and it was like, you know, and then something came true, like,
how do you know that's not the mind the devil?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when I turn on Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Copeland
says that he has all these same experiences in his
church with miracles and all this and that, and I
think that it's pretty obviously Kenneth Copeland is a con
man and a liar. So how would we judge between
the claims of your prophet and your your church versus
Kenneth Copeland's, Which how do we know what's right wrong?
Speaker 4: Well, if you're a president at the meeting and you
have the opportunity.
Speaker 1: But I'm not president at the meeting, and I'm not
president at your meeting. So when I have what the
what's the public verifiable way to judge between these infinity
charismatic claims which obviously can't all be true because they're
all teaching different doctrines.
Speaker 4: They saying that Copeland Copeland's or his doctrines are different
and some others that are Pentecostal.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean do you do you teach the
prosperity gospel?
Speaker 4: You know, there's a consistency for the scripture that comes out.
Speaker 1: Of what do you teach the prosperity gospel that Kenneth
Cope teaches?
Speaker 4: Not in the same way that he does.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's different doctrines. So how do I know
who's of the Holy Spirit here?
Speaker 4: It helps to be to be built up in the spirit,
like it says in June twenty that you spend time praying.
Speaker 1: In the right Well, that's a subjective situation. How do
I know what's the public verifiable way that any of
us have? Do you think Jesus left the church with
any public verifiable way to judge between these kinds of claims.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Paul demonstrates that in First Corinthians fourteen. He instructs
that people, the public judge that the group is there
will judge it if somebody comes up with the prophecy
that's flaky. You know, we don't see this as often today,
but and that's what Kevin Zaidai teaches a phenomenal minister
that let the public judge it, and that would be
the people that are present in that meeting, because a
lot of times they'll shout down someone that's flaky that
you know. The other times they don't because it could
prophecies today. Oh yes, there are, Yeah, there are.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically it comes down to what you decide.
Speaker 4: It needs to be people that are familiar with that,
that fellowship and the operation of the spirit.
Speaker 2: But it says you, that's what the Word of God says.
Speaker 1: Okay, So your interpretation of the Word of God is
the final rule and said, if we just listened to
you as our prophet, then everything would go smooth.
Speaker 4: Right, Jay, that's what Paul wrote in the scripture.
Speaker 1: I understand that you believe that that's what Paul wrote,
But that's your interpretation of what Paul wrote. We have
a very different interpretation of Paul. So who judges between
all the different interpretations of.
Speaker 4: Paul If we're sitting in a class and we're having
a discussion, you know, theologically over the scripture what it
actually means.
Speaker 1: Did Jesus leave any public authority that could bind people's
consciences after his death and after the apostle's death to
make these kinds of decisions?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1: Who okay? And and who what men make that decision
under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Anybody or just random.
Speaker 4: Had a solid church there's a there's a.
Speaker 1: What's the solid church. You just keep begging the question,
because that's what. How what's the public discernible way to
objectively decide between these conflicting.
Speaker 4: Claims For someone who's a skeptic, I don't. I don't
that's going to be anything.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be rude to you, but I'm
gonna we're just gonna have to stop here, and I
guess we just have to disagree because I'm asking you
a very fundamental question about the nature of authority in
church history. The things that you're promoting were immediately condemned
by the Church. They're called Montanus Montanism. Montanism was condemned
precisely because of the things that I'm listing. You could
never have any public, verifiable way with any authority to
say whose prophecies and whose interpretations are the new revelations
of the Holy Spirit. And that's why Montanism was immediately condemned,
because it leads to delusion and prelast. So, uh, that's
I don't know what else to say than that. I
have a whole video, by the way, if you're interested
in u seeing what the New Testament argumentation is for
why there's not public divine revelations anymore?
Speaker 3: Why that?
Speaker 2: What? No self awareness with people? Just consider this question.
Speaker 8: Because I'm really like the last couple week, especially with
my students, I'm trying to get them the introspect, which
is what we do is orthodox.
Speaker 2: Right. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not.
Speaker 26: How do I know the.
Speaker 8: Exact questions you were asking, Jay? But think about this,
doesn't it don't you find it odd that nobody's speaking
in these these tongues that they're saying all throughout church
history and it just pops up and.
Speaker 21: What the night?
Speaker 1: There actually are there actually are some historical instances, well,
there are groups that are heterodox and anti Trinitarian and
saying so that, like, I don't think you want to
align yourself with the few instances of these sort.
Speaker 2: Of fanatic things that it's weird. It's a weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird heterodox group. Now the video that
I'm thinking of is this right here? And the same
argument is applicable to Islam, Mormonism, Charismaticism, Seven Day Adventism,
and all colts, because every one of these types of
cults rests on the same assumption that there is a
new revelation, and to Father Deacon's point, oh, the Holy Spirit,
I guess he just got quiet for many, many centuries
until the Azuza Street Revival. Was a bunch of lunatics
in California, a bunch and by the way, many of
them anti Trinitarian. And I mean, if anti Trinitarians is
your benchmark for the movement to the Holy Spirit, then
it's not the Holy Spirit. It's a demon.
Speaker 2: Also, I figured this out when I was in Calvary
Chapel when.
Speaker 8: I was like fifteen or sixteen years old, because my
teachers used to try this SI out on me.
Speaker 3: Oh, the Holy Spirit told me that.
Speaker 2: You weren't doing your homework.
Speaker 8: And so my retort was always like, well, that's crazy,
because the Holy Spirit told me yesterday that.
Speaker 2: The demon was going to visit you. I tell you,
was the Holy Spirit to tell you that stupid lie?
Speaker 8: And I'm like, so even if this is before I
was even introduced.
Speaker 2: To philosophy, I knew that. I'm like, this is just
stupid subjective.
Speaker 8: I just one up you because it's like, well, Saint
Paul says, and the Holy Spirit says and this, but
as you showed, there's no objective rumor just each person's
claiming the Holy Spirit and the Bible and Saint Paul,
and and they don't get it.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying, that that's that's distinct from
the public normative authority that makes a decision or that
in some way can delineate between conflicting claims, or that
binds people's consciences. That's the difference between normative authority versus well,
the Bible says this, well, but but Paul says this. Yeah,
but we but every heretic thinks that Paul's on his side, right,
So how do we go ahead?
Speaker 2: That's three point.
Speaker 8: None of us deny that the Holy Spirit can't subjectively
work in somebody. And we're not talking about new doctors.
But the Holy Spirit that fills all things is a
spirit of truth, like we obviously know it's like, if
you get the truth, it's obviously the Holy Spirit, okay,
And so that a subject can receive that in a personal, private,
subjective way, like I get that, right, And I'm not
talking subjectivism. However, when you come on to a stream
or an x space or something like this and you're
making public objective statements, you've moved out categorically out of
that realm. So, for example, what I'm saying is like, yeah,
the person who experiences a miracle Saint Paul on the
road to Damascus, that is a personal, private thing that
there's no way to be able to explain what that
was like. But when you move into the sphere of
saying well, you're wrong and this is right, you moved
into a different category and now you need you can't
just be like, well, because you had to be there.
Speaker 2: You have to experience what I well, I have the
Holy Spirit. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: M Jacob? Eights and five dollars? Do you have any
thoughts on Rousseau's Thomas Rousseau's America is only for Europeans?
What is the orthodox perspective on this? H I don't
know how you prove that or show that, or like
how even relevant that is At this point, I'm not
sure what to say on that. What's up, man, Jacob?
You want to I'm mute? I mean, as native Europeans
are in largely atheistic socialists, do we want a bunch
of them come up? Like Jacob? You want to mute?
What's up? Jacob's ladder? Last chance?
Speaker 2: Well, look what Russeau's read, you know, writing a particular history.
Speaker 1: No, no, this is a different not jockracy. This is
like a like a wig net cut, hilarious, Ali train,
what's up, great Scott? Five dollars, one body, one church,
three persons of the Yes, what's up man?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 2: Jane? Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: Just I want to.
Speaker 3: Pivot real quick to some geopolitics.
Speaker 5: And so I studied terrorism as like part of my
like field of expertise, and so I've been I I
don't know if you saw. I think you did a
video on this. I didn't fully see everything on it,
but it was about like how the National counter Terrorism
Center said that all Kainda.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like gonna attack again or whatever. I
don't know how familiar are.
Speaker 2: You with that?
Speaker 1: I mean it was in the news. So yeah, I
talked about that the other day when we were doing
our al Qaeda talk.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I've been What's interesting about that is I've been
following that. So I've been like kind of on the side,
following what al Qaeda and the Taliban have doing through
different independent nonprofit organizations as in like former like retired
intelligence officers and veterans, and I've talked to some of
them and have looked at some of their work.
Speaker 3: It's actually public, and.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've heard anything about this, but
they've they've been kind of like blowing the whistle essentially
for the past since I would say twenty twenty three
on this issue. And they've published a bunch of reports
talking about how al Qaeda since twenty twenty one has
grown exponentially to like basically it. They've published reports counter
to what the government has said. And I stumbled upon
these one time, and I had to weigh the difference
between like who's more credible, and as time has gone on,
what the government's claim of that al Qaeda's like no
longer in its prime and it's not like a big
problem or.
Speaker 3: Anything like that.
Speaker 5: Has been has not been substantiated, while the other people
that make a different claim have been more substantiated and
corroborated as time has gone on. For instance, the estimate
that I've seen is that al Qaeda has been funded
through our taxpayer dollars an them over the past four
years about twenty billion dollars through either NGOs or actually
direct support for quote unquote counter terrorism against ISIS, which
is hilarious but also fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: And uh so is there something a document you want
to point me to or something to read?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is there any?
Speaker 5: Would you be okay if I like just DM you
like a lot of some documents and resources to where Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, appreciate that.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, I thank you. You just send me
something on that. Maddie. What's up? I'm you, Maddie.
Speaker 2: What's bob am masigo? Can you hear me? Yeah, dude,
I've got a question.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I've actually got a question for you and Father
Deacon Anaaius.
Speaker 3: This might be a bit low tier.
Speaker 18: I was just reading what I'm going through the the
Old Testament with I guess orthodox goggles, trying to recognize
parts of it where I start.
Speaker 2: Seeing things which you refer to as theophanies, right m h.
Speaker 3: And I see you had a debate with some dude,
this spurg dude on Twitter a while back.
Speaker 2: I think I don't.
Speaker 3: Remember his name, of his name is called like a misfit.
Speaker 18: Patriot, right, oh yeah, yeah, remember he brought up the
argument they're like, oh, if you look at the Old Testament,
it mentions the numerous places where like God says, like,
you know, my covenant with you is forever. And then
the well in the debate, you mentioned him like these
things were fulfilled in Jesus, But the conversation starts to
derailing because he just starts spurging.
Speaker 2: I suppose you.
Speaker 18: Could just quickly, I mean, I know it's a bit
load t heer.
Speaker 2: I apologize.
Speaker 16: I'm showing if you could expand upon that, because you
want to reading Genesis and all about it does mention
about how like you know these and so forever.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's a change that happens when Jesus comment.
Speaker 1: Well, the change is just simply that that promise to Abraham,
the seed is the person of Christ. So the only
way that all the nations would be blessed through Abraham's
seed is a seed person who could bless all the nations,
who is the son of David, who is the fulfillment
of the Mosaic promises and the Mosaic Messianic prophecies. So
if you read Galatians three, it's going to talk about
who that seed is that's promised to Abraham. So the
whole chapter of Galatians three will help to tie that in.
But Paul and Corinthians also says that all the promises
of the covenants, and when he says promises, he's talking
about covenant promises are yay in Him in Christ. So
that means the Noaic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, the Davidic Covenant,
and even the Adamic Covenant, there's a covenant with Adam.
You read the New Testament, you realize that all of
those figures, Adam, Noah, Moses, David, they're all images and
predictors of Christ. So all the covenants converge and align
in Him. Thus there's only one covenant. And when you
read the Book of Hebrews, it will make this clear,
especially in chapter eleven when it says that all the
people of God from the beginning of time until the
end of the world are one heavenly city. And that's
the city that Galatians four talks about, the heavenly Jerusalem,
which is the Church. So hopefully that helps to kind
of clear that up, because you're right, I remember that now.
I did want to go kind of deeper into that.
And there's a lot more text, a lot I don't
want to overload you, but I have a video for example,
you could look up a couple on the Messianic prophecies
and how they're fulfilled in Christ, because it's the same
principle behind covenant theology, and all the covenants being fulfilled
in Christ as well, exact same principle. So just as
all the Messianic prophecies point to Him, they are covenantal promises,
so all the promises of the Messiah are Messianic covenantal promises.
And thus they all reach their apex in Him. And
thus there's not an Old Testament covenant with Israel the
nation state separate from this covenant with people of Christ
and so forth in the kingdom. That's dispensational theology, which
is which is heterodox, which is what misfit Patriot actually
believes without knowing it. Even though he claimed to be
a quote Catholic, He's a complete mora on. He has
absolutely no idea what anything is. Irrationally irritable. Became a
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what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: I just wanted to.
Speaker 29: Kind of piggyback off of what you were discussing earlier
in regards to like race relations between I guess African
Americans or as I prefer to be called up Black
American and the various ethnic groups that compose the white
community in the United States.
Speaker 2: I think that it's.
Speaker 29: Really and not to be too reductive about it, but
I think it's an issue of white liberals that causes
the racial divide the most spurren on by obviously black
liberals who support their initiatives and like growing up, you know,
in New York State and interacting with white Hispanics Asians,
there really isn't that much animus in that sense, at
least here. But I think that the liberal project really
spurns on these divisive subgroups of people. And I think
that for blacks and whites, like we can, at least
those that are American born, can reconcile our history insofar
as you know, we both contributed to the continual, the
continual growth of the nation, you know, either through quite
literally slave slave labor and later inventions by both groups.
And I feel like all that is pasted over for
a general you know, white people are bad, white people
are the cause of all the world's evils, when when
you really look at it, like most of the inventions
that you know, pushed forward human development were found, you know,
with the European groups, with certain Asian groups, even you know,
the Arabic numerals that we used today and the basis
for chemistry through their alchemical practices and things like that.
So not to sound liberal in the sense that like
we're all equal, but to really emphasize the point that
I think blacks and whites have a lot more in
common in America and especially like our culture. You know,
we have a lot of shared ground there, and I
think are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well, I'm you know, I'm I'm honorary black.
Speaker 2: You know that, right, Yeah, you have several cards. I'll
give you another one.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm like infinity level now, So thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, man.
Speaker 29: But yeah, I do think that it's it's important for these,
you know, conversations to happen because I think that, like,
especially with the situation with Black Lives Matter, and like
I was in college during that period of time, and
it was absolutely insane to get a word in when
it comes to like the fact that black people literally
do not live in a state of fear in America.
We currently live in the best time period to be
black in this country. Like institutional discrimination basically doesn't exist
and it's outlawed, and there are like certain forms of
discrimination that you know, I wish we had, you know,
I wish that, you know, our freedom of.
Speaker 2: Association was.
Speaker 3: Uninhibited. You know, like you can't have.
Speaker 29: Like men only or women only spaces or even you know,
black or white only spaces in the way that you
used to be able to after the Silk Rights Act.
Speaker 1: So no, I think if people had more freedom in
that regard, there will probably be more harmony. But people
can get sued under the guise of I don't know fairness,
I don't even understand the logic of it. Like, so,
because if there was an all women's space, could I
see them and get get money? Like I'm sorrying to
think maybe I should do that? Like is that is
that a way to get some bitcoins? Like sue some
women's spaces and get some money? Anyway, Hey, I appreciate
your comments. Man, uh good, good points there no one
says thank you for the strange I'm listening at work
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Aunt.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: Anybody disagree? Last chance? If you disagree, you go to
the head line. As we come to a close ant
you want to, I mute? Aunt? You want to? I mute?
Eighty two five dollars after reading my Bible. My conclusion
has led me to Orthodoxy. I am from a Mexican family.
Do you see a lot of Hispanic orthodox Most are Catholic.
Actually a lot of Catholics are of Hispanics are talking
about and getting interested in Orthodoxy, And so I guess
I think the Internet is exposing a lot of people
to Orthodoxy, and more than we tend to imagine. Because
I keep hearing stories of Orthodox churches tripling. Our church
is tripling. So I guess this is just becoming more
of a you know, common thing. So that's good. Uh,
anybody else, last chance? My mind is turning the mush.
It's getting.
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