Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen?
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode, I got the
Speaker 5: occult reject Mada scientist Lisa joining me. I got Mike,
Speaker 5: and I got my boy Thrash. And tonight very special guests. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know one hasn't been on in a while. We
Speaker 5: got my man Colby back. It's been a hot minute.
Speaker 5: I always love having them on. Always had good chats,
Speaker 5: always had a lot of laughs. And back by popular demand.
Speaker 5: We've got Julia joining us again tonight Cosmic Peach, and
Speaker 5: tonight we will be talking about a topic that interests
Speaker 5: all of us. You're very much Laurel Canyon, real quick,
Speaker 5: I guess so, Mike and Thrash. You don't even actually
Speaker 5: have anything to plug my bad all right, so Kolby,
Speaker 5: we'll go with you real quick. Koby, you want to
Speaker 5: let everybody know like what your deal is and everything,
Speaker 5: and like where they can find some of your stuff.
Speaker 2: Sure, I do conspiracy play time, which is pretty sporadic
Speaker 2: these days. That's anywhere you're lucky if you can find
Speaker 2: it on YouTube sometimes. But Disinfobation is the weekly shit
Speaker 2: talking show I'd do with my buddy Dusty, and that
Speaker 2: one's bi weekly, and that one you can find everywhere
Speaker 2: but Apple and YouTube.
Speaker 5: AWESO mean I think I have your website in the
Speaker 5: description already.
Speaker 1: That's good enough.
Speaker 2: Oh I need to update this.
Speaker 5: Okay, my bad. I'll let the other links in if
Speaker 5: you want after the show. And Julia, just in case
Speaker 5: people here joining us don't happen to know who you
Speaker 5: are yet, can you please let everybody know what your
Speaker 5: deal is?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think I'm becoming better known on your show,
Speaker 6: just for how many F bombs I drop every couple
Speaker 6: of words. But I'm Julia fuck Cosmic Beach, and I'm
Speaker 6: everywhere besides fucking YouTube. And I'm really happy to be
Speaker 6: here tonight talking about the Laurel Canyon because, like you said,
Speaker 6: it's one of my favorite topics by far, and Colby's
Speaker 6: as well, and I can't wait to get into it.
Speaker 2: Do you monetize on YouTube? Because she just really screwed
Speaker 2: that up for you.
Speaker 6: Sorry?
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, They have like a ten minute.
Speaker 6: Rule or something what every ten minutes, No.
Speaker 2: Like the first ten minutes, any profanity you get demountitored.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have no idea. I'm sure, I've screwed that
Speaker 1: up myself already.
Speaker 6: My fucking bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, we're good. We're good. I'm not really worried about
Speaker 5: YouTube anyway. So if it happens, it happens. Uh, you
Speaker 5: know what, we'll go around the well, we'll go with you.
Speaker 1: Kolby, what was it that got you like really into
Speaker 1: a Laurel Canyon, because I know you've been into that
Speaker 1: for a long time as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was kind of like the revitalization
Speaker 2: of like psyop conspiracy theory for me. I was really
Speaker 2: into that when I was younger, And I remember I
Speaker 2: was picking up a friend in Portland and he had
Speaker 2: just seen Dave Matthews live at the Gorge and he
Speaker 2: was on acid, and he told me a story about
Speaker 2: how bad his trip was because he just realized that
Speaker 2: he was at like a cult ritual and Dave was
Speaker 2: leading it, and he wasn't even a Dave Matthews man,
Speaker 2: but he said the whole time he just felt like
Speaker 2: he's witnessing sacrifices and stuff. And then I heard Jaye
Speaker 2: Dyer like that year talking about this book that McGowan wrote,
Speaker 2: Weird Scenes, and I read that with that story in mind,
Speaker 2: and just like how these performers were casting spells, and
Speaker 2: then he just lays it all up for you, like
Speaker 2: the structure of the whole thing and how they pulled
Speaker 2: it off. And I mean it was very sloppy in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, so so many decades later it
Speaker 2: was easy to kind of piece it all together. So
Speaker 2: I like conspiracy theories that blow your mind but are
Speaker 2: also like trace and you can actually tie it all together.
Speaker 2: Do you research on top of other people's research, And
Speaker 2: I mean Julie has done a good job of that, but.
Speaker 7: We both love the music too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing is, I almost think it's
Speaker 2: cooler the way that it really happened. It's like more
Speaker 2: mysterious than like, oh, a bunch of fucking stoned hippies
Speaker 2: just made some good music, and then when you see
Speaker 2: what was really going on there, it's it's a way
Speaker 2: more intriguing story.
Speaker 6: But I love CIA music. It's like the best shit
Speaker 6: out there. I grew up on Laurel Canyon music. It's
Speaker 6: my favorite fucking music. Seat there I go again. Sorry,
Speaker 6: And I actually when I read Strange Strange scenes, and
Speaker 6: then I went over to his blog and he has
Speaker 6: a great website. It's called an Uninformed American or something
Speaker 6: like that or I can't remember what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but he has a blog and you can go on there,
Speaker 6: and like he has a bunch of different topics, but
Speaker 6: Laurel Canyon is one of the on there, and he
Speaker 6: has like pictures and it's kind of easier to read
Speaker 6: than the book because he just kind of does like
Speaker 6: cliffs notes on the blog. And so I by the
Speaker 6: time I got done reading the book and then reading
Speaker 6: the blog, my mind was blown. But it was, like
Speaker 6: Colby said, I was like thinking to myself, this makes
Speaker 6: it almost cooler in a way because they're all military
Speaker 6: and they all like kind of grew up together at
Speaker 6: these military bases and shit. And Jim Morrison's dad started
Speaker 6: to fucking Vietnam War and shit, like that's a way
Speaker 6: better story. Log Cabin. Somebody just wrote a comment about
Speaker 6: the log Cabin. That's also interesting to me because who
Speaker 6: is a Jared Leto owns it? Now? No?
Speaker 2: I think he got Lookout Mountain Studios.
Speaker 6: Oh he got?
Speaker 8: Is that what he got?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is anybody in here now? Because we argue about that?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, No, it's a don't got Lookout Mountain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Okay, well I'm pretty sure somebody did you guys see
Speaker 6: that comment earlier.
Speaker 4: About the log cabin about Vince Neil.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, plane crash. Yeah. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: true or not.
Speaker 4: It's said that it's a head on collision. I just
Speaker 4: looked it up, like in the air there's a collision
Speaker 4: in the airlane.
Speaker 2: Another plane.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, another one that I know crashed before the podcast,
Speaker 5: Like I was, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're not supposed to be flying everybody, dude.
Speaker 6: I'm not flying fucking anywhere there. They're gonna know and
Speaker 6: they're gonna kill us.
Speaker 8: So the website just really quickly.
Speaker 9: Julia was a Center for an Informed America.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there you go, There you go. So on that
Speaker 6: website he's got stuff on like Abraham Lincoln. He's got
Speaker 6: stuff about the fake Moon landing. He's got stuff about
Speaker 6: Laurel Canyon obviously, and the Boston Marathon bombings. So it's
Speaker 6: just a really cool place you can go to check
Speaker 6: out a lot of his work. He doesn't actually have
Speaker 6: a blog about Program to Kill though, which surprises me
Speaker 6: because that's like one of my favorite books of all time.
Speaker 6: But something that we were kind of mentioning before we
Speaker 6: started recording. Is actually how Programmed to Kill and Laurel
Speaker 6: Canyon kind of dovetail each other because serial killers and
Speaker 6: the counterculture movement kind of run hand in hand with
Speaker 6: each other and one of those things. And I don't
Speaker 6: want to like jump too far ahead, but it's Charles Manson, obviously,
Speaker 6: who is a musician slash MK, ultra slash CIA, slash
Speaker 6: am I missing anything.
Speaker 2: Just a cool all around guy.
Speaker 9: Really, Yeah, my hero actor, right, actor, very versatile, diverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the first portfolio.
Speaker 8: There you go.
Speaker 6: Did you guys read Chaos?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 8: I did not know.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, honey, this is yours time to shine.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I just I think it's kind of coming out lately
Speaker 2: that that guy's a gatekeeper of sorts, and I'm busy.
Speaker 2: I'm extremely disappointed by that. But I also I'm not
Speaker 2: surprised because he said just enough to let everybody tie
Speaker 2: the pieces together. Like with the Jolly West Tate Ashbury
Speaker 2: Free Sex Clinic thing, he would just show you and
Speaker 2: then you would be the one to go. Oh, so
Speaker 2: Charles Manson knew Jolly West maybe, But see, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's making a Netflix series of it. A guy I
Speaker 2: liked interview on my podcast told me that last time
Speaker 2: I talked to him, and I mean.
Speaker 6: He's making a Netflix series.
Speaker 2: That's what I got.
Speaker 7: It's going to be fucking dog shit.
Speaker 2: Well we'll see, but I mean, I think.
Speaker 1: Who's making the search was making the Netflix sers.
Speaker 2: Netflix is doing the adaptation of the book. From what
Speaker 2: I understand, I don't.
Speaker 6: Want to see it, but we'll have to write to verify.
Speaker 2: I mean, at least started okay.
Speaker 6: But you saw what they did with Waco. They just
Speaker 6: fuck everything up.
Speaker 4: See, I've been saying, like that whole title alone, chaos
Speaker 4: is just added chaos to the case, and it just
Speaker 4: made it more convoluted. I get there's a lot of
Speaker 4: interesting stuff that came out, like you said, but it
Speaker 4: just made it even more confusion. You had to go
Speaker 4: all the way back to the beginning again and then yeah,
Speaker 4: it's literal chaos. And then he's coming out with the
Speaker 4: second one, which is going to be even now I
Speaker 4: don't even know that the new Sam's coming out.
Speaker 2: I think the most valuable part of that book for
Speaker 2: me was how he tore apart Bogliosi's narrative because a
Speaker 2: lot of people take that face value, and there was
Speaker 2: there's nothing real in Helter Skelter, the whole theory he
Speaker 2: lays out. In my opinion, I.
Speaker 7: Don't think it was. There was anything to that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And the fact that it shows that he was arrested
Speaker 10: on parole so many times and release does I mean
Speaker 10: it shows you that he was being let out, He's
Speaker 10: being watched. There's no way you get charges like that
Speaker 10: on parole, especially back then you're back in.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: You had, Like he had good interesting points in the book,
Speaker 4: like about like the parole officer and how the parole
Speaker 4: officer was like kept helping him and helping him and
Speaker 4: helping the kids and even helped Yeah, very odd for sure.
Speaker 6: And then the which I forget, which beach boy it
Speaker 6: is that died?
Speaker 7: Oh Dennis, Dennis are you sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on that dope for his car keys and
Speaker 2: kept swimming down to grab him until he died.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he said he was going to write a book,
Speaker 6: right and he was going to say what was really
Speaker 6: going on with Manson.
Speaker 2: I'd like to have a conversation with Neil Young about
Speaker 2: Charles Manson. If if there's someone left alive because he
Speaker 2: was all about it.
Speaker 6: Neil Young sucked his dick hole though.
Speaker 2: That guy, that's an interesting feat to pull off. He
Speaker 2: was doing it.
Speaker 6: He loved him. He would say like, oh, he's so talented,
Speaker 6: look at it. Check this guy out. So, I mean,
Speaker 6: if he would be honest about it, yeah, I doubt
Speaker 6: he would see. He was also a vaccine pusher, saying
Speaker 6: he was going to take a ship off Spotify.
Speaker 4: And the creepy Carpus is the one that supposedly taught
Speaker 4: manson guitar in prison. The mob guy, they were like
Speaker 4: swis and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Beach Boys actually stole some of his ship.
Speaker 4: And its kind of all right.
Speaker 2: I think I think it would have been better than
Speaker 2: a lot of the people that he was hanging out with.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it was. It would have been
Speaker 2: more like velvet underground type ship.
Speaker 4: Kind of has a good voice and everything.
Speaker 10: And the Beach Boys and all them they have studio musicians. Anyways,
Speaker 10: it was if you had it was of all about
Speaker 10: the charisma anyways. I mean the Birds and all those
Speaker 10: bands could barely even play the instruments.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, direct crew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I think they all learned along
Speaker 2: the way. I think that's where the doors stand out.
Speaker 2: And I think whether that music was written by them
Speaker 2: or not, they actually played it. They played it in
Speaker 2: the studio. They'd bring in a bass player. Ray Manzeric
Speaker 2: was probably one of the most talented musicians of that era.
Speaker 2: There was an instance in Amsterdam where Morrison was so
Speaker 2: fucked up that he passed out before the show. He
Speaker 2: wandered on to the stage when Jefferson Airplane was playing
Speaker 2: and fucked up their set. Then he passed out. This
Speaker 2: was probably all an act, but ray man Zak played
Speaker 2: bass with his left hand, played the keys with his
Speaker 2: right hand and saying just as good as Morrison and
Speaker 2: took it did the entire set. So those guys were
Speaker 2: a good musicians. No, that's Manseric. He wrote a lot
Speaker 2: of or not Manzeric, Robbi Kreeger, he wrote most of
Speaker 2: their radio hits.
Speaker 7: I really love that one.
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes they would like they'd like go into they
Speaker 4: would have to like almost improvise with Jim Morrison because
Speaker 4: he would go in like trances and he would take
Speaker 4: like a two to three minute song and turn it
Speaker 4: into like twenty minutes, and he for his age. It's
Speaker 4: odd just the words and the stuff that he's saying
Speaker 4: and talking about when you listen to the live performances.
Speaker 5: Like, well, you know, a lot of bands back then,
Speaker 5: Grateful Dead did that with their space and their drums.
Speaker 5: You had a lot of jam bands that really kind
Speaker 5: of was you doing with the Doors.
Speaker 1: The Doors were kind of like.
Speaker 2: A jazzy jazzy jam band when they were alive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I do think that going to do, especially
Speaker 5: in the later years.
Speaker 2: But I happened to think Morrison was acting the whole
Speaker 2: time and did really become a fucking bloated drunk because
Speaker 2: of what he was doing to America's youth. I mean,
Speaker 2: he'd scream at the crowd.
Speaker 6: You're all a bunch of slaves fuckers.
Speaker 9: One of the one of the things that we had,
Speaker 9: Nick and I had done a dive into Empedocles, which
Speaker 9: was an ancient philosopher, and one of the things that
Speaker 9: comes out of there is the discovery of I am
Speaker 9: a hexameter or hexameter. It's a type of poetry that
Speaker 9: it's like a six stanza type thing, and back in
Speaker 9: the day, only oracles from Delphi spoke in hexameter, and
Speaker 9: that if it didn't happen in hexameter, then it was
Speaker 9: considered not to be authentic to have been divinated from
Speaker 9: the oracle. So one of the things when we're looking
Speaker 9: at hexameter just as a quick reference, they said that
Speaker 9: Jim Morrison wrote his songs in hexameter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who was teaching him do this shit?
Speaker 6: That's also mentioned in American four story season covin which
Speaker 6: I keep trying to tell y'all.
Speaker 5: Asshole, we had a guy on We had a guy
Speaker 5: on a whole wild that covered Jim Morrison and he
Speaker 5: went into some stuff where you like he said he
Speaker 5: was like very young agent, like went to some specific library.
Speaker 8: Oh oh oh oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure where it was. It might have
Speaker 5: been in Washington where he went to some like specific
Speaker 5: library as like a very young kid to take out
Speaker 5: some book that was like a pretty much like occult stuff.
Speaker 1: And then we were like, how did you know?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, have the internet to tell you that the book
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 9: So they said that, like, his dad was stationed in
Speaker 9: LA and they made the trip to Washington when he
Speaker 9: got transferred, and on the way to DC, they stopped
Speaker 9: at an area in North New Mexico and Morrison claims
Speaker 9: at the age of three years old, he felt that
Speaker 9: the spirits of the native people who had passed away
Speaker 9: on an accident that had happened at Los Alamos Laboratory
Speaker 9: entered him and never left. And I had asked Paul,
Speaker 9: I was like, did he stop at Los Alamos? Was
Speaker 9: his dad affiliated with Los Almos?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 8: That's pretty damn specific.
Speaker 9: And I do know that Los Alamo's laboratory, they did
Speaker 9: you use Native hands to build the stuff, And so
Speaker 9: it would almost beg the question in passing, did they,
Speaker 9: you know, stop and Courier, I don't know whatever, And
Speaker 9: so he did make a stop there. And we do
Speaker 9: have significant people that went to Los Alamo's Ranch school,
Speaker 9: like Williams. Burrows and some other people with that ended
Speaker 9: up becoming huge prominent figures later in society for them
Speaker 9: to stop there. But what Nick was saying when they
Speaker 9: got to DC and he was going to school there,
Speaker 9: they said that he really wasn't interested in what regular
Speaker 9: kids were interested. He was always at the library, and
Speaker 9: that he went to the library Congress Library, Library.
Speaker 8: Of Congress, and that he asked.
Speaker 9: Specifically for a demonology book, and like the specific one
Speaker 9: that was written and Nick and I were saying that
Speaker 9: even when we did a deep dive into some of
Speaker 9: these grim wars, to know where these grimmores are, you
Speaker 9: have to like really search and find out where it's
Speaker 9: being housed. The fact that he knew that that specific
Speaker 9: book was at the Library of Congress and asked for
Speaker 9: it and studied it, to me, indicates that somebody was involved,
Speaker 9: either in grooming or letting him know about this stuff.
Speaker 9: But at a very young age he was going to
Speaker 9: the library and reading this stuff and wanted what an
Speaker 9: Encyclopedia Britannica or something at the age of something for
Speaker 9: his birthday. It was very odd, very very odd.
Speaker 6: Do you think that there's like ritualism involved, and like
Speaker 6: the CIA part is like separate or.
Speaker 4: Well to tie to tie in the books and the LSD.
Speaker 4: When it was the year before Morrison was joining the doors,
Speaker 4: he actually had a storage unit and he only had
Speaker 4: his books in the storage unit, and he literally lived
Speaker 4: on the roof and ate oranges from the orange tree
Speaker 4: and supposed tripped acid every single day on that roof,
Speaker 4: and he he supposedly would see his mom in the
Speaker 4: moon every time he would trip. And he had almost
Speaker 4: like a sexual fantasy for his mom and he almost
Speaker 4: had like a hatred for his dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lyrics of the end, I mean, and they
Speaker 2: touched on that pretty pretty well in the dolliver Stone
Speaker 2: movie and also what Lisa was talking about with the
Speaker 2: Indian stuff that's in the Doors movie. Morrison also mentions
Speaker 2: it in The American Prayer the Live Poetry album, and
Speaker 2: he claimed it was a car crash, but the way
Speaker 2: Lisa's talking about it is more intriguing to me. I've
Speaker 2: never gotten Yeah, I've never.
Speaker 7: Heard about that before.
Speaker 6: But do you feel like it's do you feel like
Speaker 6: did ant aspect of this? And I'm dis playing Devil's
Speaker 6: advocate because we weren't there, but we do know who
Speaker 6: his father was, and we do know about the Laurel
Speaker 6: can and what they were pulling on us to Like,
Speaker 6: sometimes I hear some of this stuff about musicians and
Speaker 6: I'm like, God, only fucking knows if any of this
Speaker 6: is true or it just made up bullshit to make
Speaker 6: this person seem more interesting, because it's like they have
Speaker 6: to have a character backstory to make this movie work
Speaker 6: and to make them interesting. And I don't think he's dead.
Speaker 6: I don't think he's part of the twenty seven club
Speaker 6: for real, I don't think. And it's like the Manson murders.
Speaker 6: You've got me convinced that they probably didn't even happen.
Speaker 6: So I think some of this stuff just it's like
Speaker 6: to sensationalize the character of Jim Morrison. But I almost
Speaker 6: wonder if everything we hear about these celebrities, musicians, whatever,
Speaker 6: especially coming out of the Laurel Canyon, especially someone whose
Speaker 6: dad literally started the Vietnam War and he never talked
Speaker 6: about that. For somebody was so anti war and so
Speaker 6: fucking counterculture, he never talked about that shit. So I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know how much. And it's not to discount
Speaker 6: anything that anybody's researched. It could be true, But I
Speaker 6: just don't know if he's as interesting as they make
Speaker 6: him out to be for real, because we were talking
Speaker 6: about it, and I think a more interesting story would
Speaker 6: be who he really was, like his dad's you know,
Speaker 6: in all this his connections, and that's more interesting than
Speaker 6: like tripping acid and wanting to fuck your mom and
Speaker 6: eating oranges. In my opinion, well, a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Stuff could be true. Like I don't think we need
Speaker 2: to throw the baby out with the bathwater in his
Speaker 2: past because he was gifted.
Speaker 6: He was You don't think it's sensationalized, of course it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love Slash hate the Doors movie the
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone made. I think it's a great movie, but
Speaker 2: maybe twenty five percent of it's even slightly true.
Speaker 5: One thing I did think was weird. And you know,
Speaker 5: me and Lisa, I think she had agreed with me.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying like, I didn't make me think the
Speaker 5: story is false per se. Maybe just stuff missing. But
Speaker 5: my opinion, a three year old coming out and saying
Speaker 5: a lot of that stuff or remembering that stuff from
Speaker 5: three years old is like a little like, really you
Speaker 5: really remember that much detail that you were going through
Speaker 5: Los Alismo three years oldly?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: Or maybe somebody told him that.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, but just the whole fact of Los Alamo's
Speaker 9: Ranch itself in and of itself was a huge deal
Speaker 9: in terms of a connection like the guy who started
Speaker 9: Los Alamo's school ranch school before Oppenheimer got there. Because
Speaker 9: Oppenheimer kind of kicked it all off with Los Alamos. They,
Speaker 9: I mean, all the credit goes to him in terms of,
Speaker 9: you know, the building and the construction and the upbringing
Speaker 9: and all that other stuff. But initially the Ranch School
Speaker 9: where William S. Burrows was going, where Edward T. Hall,
Speaker 9: Roy Chapman, all these guys, Colegate guy were all there.
Speaker 9: The main guy who started it, he was at Stanford
Speaker 9: and there were I believe he had some sort of
Speaker 9: tie to you know, psychology and all that other stuff,
Speaker 9: which we know that Stanford Psychology department. You see Essling
Speaker 9: kind of you know, blooming off of that. So to me,
Speaker 9: I feel like it's significant that they would make a
Speaker 9: trip there first and foremost. The other thing that I
Speaker 9: wanted to say is that Paul had mentioned in our
Speaker 9: interview with him that Morrison was constantly getting in trouble,
Speaker 9: like he was constantly getting in trouble with the law,
Speaker 9: whether it was state police, local police, it was constant,
Speaker 9: whether it was hotels, whether it was drunk, whatever it was,
Speaker 9: and that I think somebody had had it. I don't know,
Speaker 9: it's like federal or something, and they wanted to pick
Speaker 9: him up and take him in. Why that would be
Speaker 9: a big deal is that the dad, his dad apparently
Speaker 9: there was a letter that was written that the dad
Speaker 9: actually was wanting to submit his career or his title
Speaker 9: in exchange for letting Morrison go. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 9: if it's local law enforcement or state enforcement, that would
Speaker 9: mean nothing, like, Hey, I'm a rear admiral, here's my
Speaker 9: title to I don't know, State of Texas. Nobody cares.
Speaker 9: But why would it? Why would that letter come to me?
Speaker 9: I think is because he's submitting it to the federal level.
Speaker 9: And why is the federal level getting involved in what
Speaker 9: you know, disturbances? Morrison is causing it some of these concerts,
Speaker 9: I think, well, that's something that there's meat on that
Speaker 9: bone for sure.
Speaker 6: I think is he one of your favorites from the
Speaker 6: Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 4: Hm?
Speaker 8: Not not particularly.
Speaker 9: I mean yes, but I think there's some other ones
Speaker 9: that I really Eric Clapton was good, but I really
Speaker 9: like the females, the like Jodie Mitchell that really kind
Speaker 9: of like fades away into the you know, the linlight
Speaker 9: or whatever, more dark and twisty.
Speaker 6: Do you like like the Mamas and the Papas or anything.
Speaker 8: I did like them. I did like them.
Speaker 9: I like their music, But I think the story of
Speaker 9: like with Joni Mitchell, I think was very interesting, how
Speaker 9: she shows up and everybody's completely floored and fascinated by her.
Speaker 9: That Eric Clapton, you know, take his eyes off of
Speaker 9: her because of her voice. And the thing is that
Speaker 9: Joni Mitchell was brought over from Florida, and they all
Speaker 9: knew each other, every single one of the people that
Speaker 9: lived in Laurel Canyon. That was another thing when we
Speaker 9: talked to I think Vt. Wallace, is that they all
Speaker 9: knew each other. Their fathers all worked together in DC
Speaker 9: or in some sort of capacity with the OSS or
Speaker 9: with some sort of intelligentsia with the US. I think
Speaker 9: in Florida there was a couple of them that knew
Speaker 9: each other. I don't remember off the top of my
Speaker 9: head exactly why, but they all knew each other. So
Speaker 9: when they got there, it's like, you know, like a
Speaker 9: bunch of kids that grew up in Martha's vineyard, you know,
Speaker 9: taking up residence I don't know, in Martha, Texas or something.
Speaker 8: That's kind of how.
Speaker 10: And a lot of those guys were on strange trips
Speaker 10: as young people, traveling around Urgin a lot of different places,
Speaker 10: traveling around, and then they all start showing up right
Speaker 10: as the war is about to get kicked off, and
Speaker 10: the anti war movement's happening is when they all start
Speaker 10: showing up.
Speaker 6: But yeah, for no reason whatsoever, because the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 6: was not a music scene. The major music scene was
Speaker 6: like Memphis, where else like New York, New York, Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it wasn't fucking there wasn't anything going on in the
Speaker 6: Laurel Canyon. They just started migrating there for un explained reasons.
Speaker 7: Literally.
Speaker 2: Well, and Vito Pulkas is another interesting because he had
Speaker 2: the freaks that would show up at these concerts and
Speaker 2: a lot of people hadn't seen anything like that before,
Speaker 2: so that was mainly you know, that was the biggest
Speaker 2: tre action of a lot of these shows in these
Speaker 2: small la clubs was these freak freaky hippie chicks dancing.
Speaker 2: And the guy that orchestrated that, I mean, his son
Speaker 2: died when he was like he was like three or four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go to Paul and he was replaced by Bobby Bousselet
Speaker 2: and a Kenneth Anger. Film like this guy actually made
Speaker 2: it okay to go to one of these shows where
Speaker 2: the musicians really sucked and you would just it was
Speaker 2: just became a big party. And I mean in the fifties,
Speaker 2: you didn't really have that, like it was just about
Speaker 2: the music really in the dancing.
Speaker 6: But do you remember what I always say about like
Speaker 6: the plane crash with like Buddy Holly and the Big
Speaker 6: Bopper and all those fuckers on it. That was like
Speaker 6: the ending of an era for the counterculture scene to
Speaker 6: take off, because that was the last of that generation
Speaker 6: of like intent kind of like puppy dum music and
Speaker 6: then all over and after that craft hippie, don't shape pits,
Speaker 6: don't wear out all, don't take birth control, and also
Speaker 6: uh smoke drugs and.
Speaker 7: What else.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's in my opinion, I feel like it
Speaker 6: was almost like an overnight kind of transition from Buddy
Speaker 6: Haley to Frank Zappa.
Speaker 10: Yeah, hippie was invented right there in those clubs, right
Speaker 10: there by Laurel Canyon and complete, complete invention.
Speaker 3: And like you said, it was freaks. They wanted to go.
Speaker 10: People would show up for the freak aspect of it,
Speaker 10: and they didn't care how shitty the music was.
Speaker 9: So one thing, two things actually so Morrison, and that
Speaker 9: you know it sounds like I'm just suck on Morrison.
Speaker 9: I apologize to the chatting to you. Morrison got a
Speaker 9: degree in cinematology, sorry, cinematography from UCLA, which would be
Speaker 9: Liberal Arts type college, right or the department, right. Usually
Speaker 9: you have them kind of collated in departments. And so
Speaker 9: one of the things that we talk about as Stanford
Speaker 9: and Essellin always being associated, what we don't realize is
Speaker 9: that some of the original professors or scientists that started
Speaker 9: this whole kickoff with Stanford and Essellin first came from
Speaker 9: UCLA and they started in that department of the Liberal
Speaker 9: Arts College. So that's also to kind of keep in mind.
Speaker 9: And it was about the time when Morrison was in
Speaker 9: school at UCLA. So I think again we have another connection.
Speaker 9: Another connection, kind of pivoting off of what Mike said,
Speaker 9: is that no one really looks at the Troubador, which
Speaker 9: was the club where all these people were playing there
Speaker 9: outside of Laurel Canyon, and he was the main guy
Speaker 9: that if you played there, you could play there for free,
Speaker 9: as long as that when you made it big, you
Speaker 9: had to come back and play. His parents, I believe
Speaker 9: his parents were German or he was of German descent
Speaker 9: of sort. The owner from the Troubadour, I forget his name,
Speaker 9: but nobody really mentions him. He had to have been
Speaker 9: integral into this whole scene, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9: I mean they had to have gotten exposure somewhere. And
Speaker 9: who designated Troubadour to be the club to be exposed
Speaker 9: exposing these people?
Speaker 7: I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 3: That, are you.
Speaker 2: I didn't know about the guy I know about the club.
Speaker 8: Let me look up the name of the Troubadour a
Speaker 8: second Alexander Douglas Weston.
Speaker 7: Oh, that sounds like a suspicious name.
Speaker 8: He was the owner of the Troubadour.
Speaker 6: Alexander what.
Speaker 8: Alexander Douglas Doug Weston, And he was the owner of
Speaker 8: the Troubadour and it was located at ninety eighty one
Speaker 8: Santa Monica Boulevard. Wen, but I was initially a coffeehouse?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 6: I know, was it on the Sunset Strip?
Speaker 2: Santa Monica?
Speaker 6: Santa Monica? Is that close?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's all close down there, depending on traffic.
Speaker 2: But I would Yeah, there's like three clubs that were
Speaker 2: kind of featuring these bands.
Speaker 6: And the freaks were at some club on Sunset Strip.
Speaker 2: Well there was there was the Whiskey Go Go, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what it was, and the Troubadour. I don't I'm
Speaker 2: blinking on the other one, but you know, in the beginning,
Speaker 2: it was kind of crazy because the log Cabin was
Speaker 2: like a kind of a hangout spot where Zappa and
Speaker 2: I mean this is really close to the Manson Slanes too.
Speaker 2: I mean it all links together, but uh, Frank Zappa,
Speaker 2: Mama Cass And one that nobody even really talks about
Speaker 2: that's one of my favorites is Captain Beefheart. He kind
Speaker 2: of came on later, but Captain Heart's stories crazy. He
Speaker 2: would actually like in prison his bandmates and make them
Speaker 2: record under extreme hydration and starvation. I think, yeah, the
Speaker 2: third album. I like beef Heart's first few albums and
Speaker 2: he kind of gets out there, but I just think
Speaker 2: he's one that doesn't really get talked about with the
Speaker 2: Laurel Kingy's stuff.
Speaker 6: Blocked them up and dehydrated and starved them instead play this.
Speaker 2: Music, yes, and it was like real weird off the
Speaker 2: wall music. One of the I think it was the
Speaker 2: drummer escaped during the recording sessions and he ended up.
Speaker 2: I think he came back out of guilt or something.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Not only that, the bass player who also was the
Speaker 4: bass player for Zappa for a while. I can't remember
Speaker 4: his name right offhand, but he's actually a like a
Speaker 4: sexual predator, Like he's had cases against him since the
Speaker 4: seventies and I think he's even back in prison again.
Speaker 6: Well, he deserved to be dehydrated and.
Speaker 7: Maybe something.
Speaker 4: When he was a child, he was a child prodigy sculptor,
Speaker 4: and there was like a lot of mystery behind the
Speaker 4: teacher and everything. And they've actually there's actually been a
Speaker 4: lot of information that's come out about the guy that
Speaker 4: taught him how to sculpt when he was a little kid.
Speaker 4: And then he actually became really good friends with Zappa
Speaker 4: in high school, and then he was in the Zappa Band,
Speaker 4: and then he separated from that and started the Befart
Speaker 4: Captain b Fart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and wasn't Zappa kind of the main producer of
Speaker 2: his like launch into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he produced and that was Cooper.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say those were his two brand
Speaker 2: children really exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Didn't Zappa grow up Edgewood Arsenal.
Speaker 2: Well, that's where his dad worked. And funny because you
Speaker 2: get Morrison's dad at the Gulf of Tonken and and
Speaker 2: you have Zappa's dad making the chemical weapons that they
Speaker 2: were going to use.
Speaker 6: John Phillips dad fucking I mean Jackson Brown's dad, and
Speaker 6: someone else that people forget about, John Denver, who is
Speaker 6: definitely Laurel Canyon, and his dad was some high up motherfucker.
Speaker 6: What was he a captain at Roswell Army Airfield?
Speaker 11: I think he was Air Force, Yeah, Roswell literally, and
Speaker 11: then he goes on to be on the Board of
Speaker 11: Governors for NASA for many years.
Speaker 6: He's responsible for the first citizens space flight hit the Challenger.
Speaker 6: That's John Dinver's fucking idea. And then it I mean,
Speaker 6: whether or not you believe those people actually died, it's
Speaker 6: just as fake as everything else that came out of
Speaker 6: the Laurel Canyon. But I mean John Denver was friends
Speaker 6: with Mama Cass and all of them. I mean, look,
Speaker 6: Denver was a sharpshooter during the Korean More. Thank you, Evanna.
Speaker 6: I didn't fucking know that. That is some good information
Speaker 6: to know.
Speaker 2: I never heard that one either.
Speaker 7: That's another one.
Speaker 2: Fucking Crosby was one of the more interesting ones to
Speaker 2: me because I think a lot of these guys were
Speaker 2: just like useful idiots. But then you had people at Crosby,
Speaker 2: who probably had a hand and orchestrated the whole scene.
Speaker 6: His family literally goes back to the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 4: A pretty important character. He's I don't think maybe directly
Speaker 4: tied to Laurel Canyon, but but Bill Graham, the promoter,
Speaker 4: he had like the Phillmore East, he had the Fillmore West.
Speaker 4: He was basically the guy that started the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 4: He started Santana, he started Quicksilver Messenger Service. All the
Speaker 4: San Francisco bands, Jimmy Hendricks, all the same stuff.
Speaker 1: Raked all those bands, as you just mentioned though, playing live,
Speaker 1: they are known for going into like weird jam jam sessions,
Speaker 1: all three of those. All those people do.
Speaker 6: But do you think it almost kind of like brings.
Speaker 5: Something that the boy did that Velvet Underground did that too.
Speaker 4: Live the acid test, the original acid tests where the
Speaker 4: Grateful Dead was just the house band, and they started
Speaker 4: up there in northern California. They worked their way down
Speaker 4: every basically every night to a different area where they
Speaker 4: got all the way down to Watts l A. And
Speaker 4: every night they just dripped acid and uh, they just
Speaker 4: had peep. It was just a house party. They would
Speaker 4: have like instruments laying around and microphones that would be everywhere,
Speaker 4: and people were encouraged to just like make noises and
Speaker 4: say all kinds of strings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll answer that last comment about the police, because yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh yeah, the Copeland brothers and then I mean
Speaker 2: they all they had like three major record labels. It
Speaker 2: was the CIA, the I R S, and I don't
Speaker 2: remember the third one. But uh McGowan in his prologue
Speaker 2: as if maybe he was planning on doing a Laurel
Speaker 2: Canyon esque out of the eighties, and the Copeland thing
Speaker 2: is huge. I think that one, like somebody should actually
Speaker 2: write that book because it's just as intriguing. I mean,
Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon formula never really stopped. I love to compare
Speaker 2: it to grunge because the formula was the same. They
Speaker 2: tweaked it a little bit for the times. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the the Copeland thing is a really good tangent to
Speaker 2: look into. The other one was the FBI. I was
Speaker 2: going to say that, but I was like, fuck, I
Speaker 2: guess it was.
Speaker 6: The comments are on fire, and somebody cleared up that
Speaker 6: thing about John Denver too. They said it was a rumor.
Speaker 2: It's like how mister Rogers had had all these kills
Speaker 2: and tats being I remember believing that when I heard.
Speaker 6: It, Well didn't but didn't. So we actually interviewed a guy,
Speaker 6: his name is John Gusty, and he said that John Denver.
Speaker 2: He thinks he's trans.
Speaker 6: It's trans. That John Denver is a woman.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. The
Speaker 2: next time we had that plan, I don't remember what
Speaker 2: song it was, but I was like, that could easily
Speaker 2: be a chick. I'm not saying I believe it.
Speaker 6: He's small and he has small hands. I do love
Speaker 6: John Denver.
Speaker 7: Though else did he say? He said somebody else from
Speaker 7: the Laurel Canyon didn't.
Speaker 2: He He thinks a lot of people are trans.
Speaker 4: Maybe my grandpa, my grandpa, We said. Rod Stewart was still.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say we should get him in on
Speaker 2: one of these.
Speaker 6: Dammit you else was kind of small. Jackson Brown definitely
Speaker 6: could be trans and his dad was in the OSS,
Speaker 6: so he's a trans Nazis.
Speaker 1: What do you think, like overall, what do you think
Speaker 1: was the purpose of like Lower Canyon? Was that, like
Speaker 1: you think it was a bunch of different things going on.
Speaker 1: It was everything was tied into each other.
Speaker 7: Can I go first?
Speaker 6: I think that they were running the counterculture movement at
Speaker 6: the same time with the serial killer movement, because they
Speaker 6: the main the first serial killers came out of the
Speaker 6: sixties around the same time all this Laurel Canyon stuff
Speaker 6: was going down, and they were like forcing independence on
Speaker 6: women and telling him to get out there and go
Speaker 6: do stuff. And then at the same time there was
Speaker 6: people like mans Zodiac Ed Bundy just ripping and running
Speaker 6: through chicks, just literally slashing their way up and down
Speaker 6: the coast, and so it was like a mixting of
Speaker 6: different cultural It's a five layer burrito, okay, countercultures. At
Speaker 6: the bottom, it's the rice, and then the beef is
Speaker 6: programmed to kill, right with the serial killers. But then
Speaker 6: there's other layers, right like the nacho cheese, and you
Speaker 6: keep going. But I think it's it was just part
Speaker 6: of like a multi layered psychological operation because they affect
Speaker 6: the culture and then it's so easy. It's like Colby said,
Speaker 6: they just repeated it throughout time with new serial killers
Speaker 6: and new music scenes. So it was like the eighties
Speaker 6: and then the nineties with like Nirvana and shit, and
Speaker 6: they just get new people to play these same archetypal
Speaker 6: characters and they just keep like upping every time.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, honey, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it is a layer of things. You
Speaker 2: got to talk about like Gordon Wasson going down to
Speaker 2: Mexico with the Time magazine article. At the same time,
Speaker 2: Timothy Timothy Larry's doing his thing coming out of Harford
Speaker 2: with the LSD stuff. He admitted he was a CIA
Speaker 2: guy like way before he died. And then you got
Speaker 2: to take into the Bay areas going on around then too.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, you can control culture, but you
Speaker 2: don't really control culture unless you control the counterculture. And
Speaker 2: the best way to control it is to create it.
Speaker 2: And it's just I mean the Hegelian dialectic divide and conquer.
Speaker 2: It's I don't think there's like one easy way to
Speaker 2: just wrap it up in a sentence.
Speaker 6: Well, it went from like literally like Buddy Hawley to fucking.
Speaker 7: Do have halos?
Speaker 2: You're talking about your.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes? Well, you know something else that people don't talk
Speaker 6: about in relation to the Laurel Canyon is that with
Speaker 6: the serial killer movement thing with Manson coming out of California,
Speaker 6: Zodiac coming out of California, there's also the fucking Black Dahlia,
Speaker 6: which isn't necessarily part of the sixties. Oh, Lisa, you
Speaker 6: know about this, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So the whole forty seven nineteen forty seven, you
Speaker 9: know Roswell, you have a switchover from OSSCIA, You have
Speaker 9: the creation of the Air Force Division of the military.
Speaker 9: You also have Crowley dying in December. The main event
Speaker 9: that's been forty seven at the very beginning was in
Speaker 9: January was the Black Dahlia death. It kicked it all off,
Speaker 9: and I think it was one of the most publicized
Speaker 9: deaths and almost like a traumatizing way to traumatize the
Speaker 9: public was that.
Speaker 6: And if you look into who was probably responsible for that,
Speaker 6: it does go back to the Laurel Canyon because because
Speaker 6: the Hodel guy, right, George Hodell, his daughter later became
Speaker 6: friends with Michelle Phillips right from the Mamas and the Papas,
Speaker 6: So it does tie back to Laurel Canyon. But I mean, okay,
Speaker 6: I feel like if there's anything that's like CIA or
Speaker 6: you need to look into it some more, it'll be
Speaker 6: on an episode of Ghost Adventures. And fucking Nick knows
Speaker 6: this because.
Speaker 7: We talk about it all the time.
Speaker 6: If you want to know some sketchy ass shit. Zach
Speaker 6: Began's will show up with a freaking EMF detector, and
Speaker 6: he went to George Hodell's house in the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 6: and was like, oh, he was incestuous with his daughter
Speaker 6: and all that, And I'm like, of course he shows
Speaker 6: up there, like that's perfect, But I do think that
Speaker 6: it was probably him, and he was incestuous with his daughter.
Speaker 6: A lot of the weirdos out of the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 6: were incestuous with their daughters. John Phillips was apparently, Frank
Speaker 6: Zappa was doing weird stuff with his codes, and there
Speaker 6: was another one am I forgetting.
Speaker 2: Oh there's many and they were.
Speaker 6: All just running train on their own kids. The Oh no, wait, no,
Speaker 6: that was.
Speaker 4: The hotel he would he would even let like when
Speaker 4: he had house parties like at the like celebrities and stuff,
Speaker 4: have sex with his daughter and everything, and then the
Speaker 4: house was like a Mayan temple.
Speaker 12: Yep, yep, and so the and she was like it
Speaker 12: ties into the house they found like the black Dollia's body,
Speaker 12: like in the same kind of concrete bags that they
Speaker 12: had at the house that was used during construction.
Speaker 6: I don't know what this comment is about the Layton family.
Speaker 6: If you read Dave McGowan's blog, there's a whole section
Speaker 6: just on the black Dahlia. And after you read that,
Speaker 6: after you see the evidence, I doubt you'll you'll think
Speaker 6: it's anybody but the Hodell family. And also she got
Speaker 6: pregnant by her father and that kid is still alive.
Speaker 6: And you know that the brother of I think her
Speaker 6: name was Tamar, wasn't it, yes, Maar Hodell. Yeah, her
Speaker 6: brother wrote has written books and done interviews and he
Speaker 6: apparently they were doing ritualism in that house. I mean,
Speaker 6: it wasn't just a black dahlia. They were like cutting
Speaker 6: bitches up and the basement and stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, doctor Hodell, that's what he did. He did illegal abortions.
Speaker 4: That was part of what he did. It was like
Speaker 4: a thing he couldn't even do then, but he did
Speaker 4: him illegally for celebrities and the lay Wait it is second.
Speaker 6: So that's American.
Speaker 2: Horne murder House. I was gonna say, I thrash can
Speaker 2: can finish talking without Julia talking about American horror story
Speaker 2: because yeah, it's the Matt Ross character in season one
Speaker 2: is supposed.
Speaker 3: To be him.
Speaker 6: I mean it's George Odell.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to see.
Speaker 6: I told you guys, we're living in the most interesting
Speaker 6: season of American horror story. We're living in a conglomeration
Speaker 6: of all the seasons put together. And I will stand
Speaker 6: by that until day I'm dead.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if you throw some black Mirror in there.
Speaker 7: Too, black mirror slash American Horror Story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be pretty point.
Speaker 6: Nick, Who is your favorite out of the Laurel cany
Speaker 6: You though I have not ever heard you.
Speaker 1: Say, I don't think I really have one. Tell you
Speaker 1: the truth like.
Speaker 6: Getting to head right now, you have to pick one
Speaker 6: artist out of the Laurel Canyon to listen to until
Speaker 6: you're dead.
Speaker 1: Ooh, man might actually go with the Dead who grateful Dead? Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, they were in the bay.
Speaker 6: But I mean, you have to pick canyons so it
Speaker 6: can be like Morrison, Mama's in the Papas.
Speaker 7: Who else?
Speaker 2: The Turtles?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Turtles, David Kross, Crosby Stills, and.
Speaker 2: Nash Hendrick's kind of was around the scene. The birds
Speaker 2: love Eric Clapton.
Speaker 5: He'll probably just take Airic Clapton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love you.
Speaker 1: Got what's what's his dealing with over there.
Speaker 2: That guy's story is weird.
Speaker 10: Well, he that's where his kid died, right, He lived
Speaker 10: up there at that time, and he was totally tied
Speaker 10: in with the monkeys and all of them, like all
Speaker 10: of them were tight. They all have pictures together.
Speaker 7: Who is Graham Parsons with.
Speaker 4: The Flying Burrito Brothers?
Speaker 6: I think is Graham Parsons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he died in the town that I grew
Speaker 4: up in when I was a little kid. My grandpa
Speaker 4: like built a house there and everything. Joe, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: he died in that hotel there, and.
Speaker 6: Zach Began's Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 4: And there's a Ghost Adventures episode I was gonna say
Speaker 4: at that hotel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. And isn't there
Speaker 6: like that weird story where they took Graham's body and
Speaker 6: they like buried it on the soul.
Speaker 2: They made a really good movie on that with what's
Speaker 2: the fucking jackass guy's name?
Speaker 4: So, yeah, grand theft Parsons, I think is that's.
Speaker 2: What it is? I mean to me, Like she keeps
Speaker 2: talking about how this is all like keeping the story alive.
Speaker 2: So I would have to say Ghost Adventures just another
Speaker 2: way that they keep these legends going, Oh for sure,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: We talked about it when we cover Jeffrey Dahmer because
Speaker 6: I said he'll show up at Jeffrey's apartment and I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, no, he can't because they burnt it down.
Speaker 6: They built a playground there. So it's it's just funny
Speaker 6: how he shows up at these places that like, how does.
Speaker 7: He know about this?
Speaker 6: Literally the he goes to the hotel where Grandparsans dies,
Speaker 6: He went to Kenneth Anger's old house and interviewed Kenneth Anger.
Speaker 6: Did you guys thrash did you yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And they like shoved the lion
Speaker 4: claw marks that were like at the mansion when Levey
Speaker 4: owned a lion and yeah yeah they did. They did
Speaker 4: like an investigation like in one of the rooms where
Speaker 4: they did one of the rituals and everything. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: Angers like just all talking about summoning demons and everything
Speaker 4: right on that eide.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Literally, his Lucifer jacket, his Lucifer jacket.
Speaker 6: What channel do they play Ghost Adventures on? Is it
Speaker 6: like TLC or some shit like that.
Speaker 4: Get Travel Channel, her Travel Travel channel.
Speaker 6: That's what they literally are just clicking around on TV
Speaker 6: and freaking Kenneth Anger pops up with this Lucifer jacket
Speaker 6: rummining demons. Yeah, literally so. But Kenneth Anger is a
Speaker 6: whole other aspect of the Canyon though, because he uh
Speaker 6: wasn't the Rolling Stones and they were going to do
Speaker 6: some project with him or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean he's heavily tied in with a
Speaker 2: lot of the Manson people.
Speaker 4: Well, there's even rumor that the original guitar player of
Speaker 4: the Rolling Stones yea, that he was doing a black
Speaker 4: magic ritual and I don't think he finished it and
Speaker 4: they found him like drowned in the pool.
Speaker 7: Yep, that is true.
Speaker 6: And then I guess if we're talking about the Stones,
Speaker 6: we should bring up the Uh.
Speaker 7: It's in the book, right. The Altamont Park.
Speaker 2: I don't know. This one to me is one where
Speaker 2: everybody just there. He's about what went down that day,
Speaker 2: Like I think we got into some hot water last
Speaker 2: time we talked about it.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the video?
Speaker 2: I never did see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the video, and you can see the whole
Speaker 4: thing go down between the Hell's Angel and Uh, there's
Speaker 4: like a black dude I think he has a knife
Speaker 4: and you can see pull no, I think he pulls
Speaker 4: out a gun and then the Hell's Angel pulls out
Speaker 4: like a k bar and you can they just it
Speaker 4: just they just get into a whole fight right there
Speaker 4: in the crowd. And there's like a whole story of
Speaker 4: one of the Hell's Angels named Animal. He would wear
Speaker 4: like a fox he had like a fox head he
Speaker 4: would wear and uh, you can see him actually instigating
Speaker 4: something like he takes like a like a billy club
Speaker 4: or something and jabbed somebody. They were like messing with
Speaker 4: the band of Jefferson Airplane. It was just like chaos
Speaker 4: from all all day. Like the Hell's Angels were just
Speaker 4: bullying people around. You can see you could watch on
Speaker 4: video where like Animal he's like bullying people and like
Speaker 4: smacking crowd members and just because they're getting a little
Speaker 4: too close to the stage.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and the Rolling Stones hired them as security.
Speaker 4: Yeah why would yeah, yeah, why would you.
Speaker 2: Look Like there's the Hunter S. Thompson thing. There's a
Speaker 2: Bundye victim that was supposedly taken away by Hell's Angels
Speaker 2: from like a big picnic. These guys always kind of
Speaker 2: have they're just in the background.
Speaker 4: And the acid tests they were directly involved at the
Speaker 4: attest too.
Speaker 2: And I mean and they did do a lot of black,
Speaker 2: black market drug dealing back then too, Like they definitely
Speaker 2: had connections to Wait.
Speaker 10: And all started by ex military. They were passes just
Speaker 10: like the military.
Speaker 4: I mean named after the squadron, the Hell's Angels. What
Speaker 4: squadron it was an Air Force squadron named the Hills Angels,
Speaker 4: and that's what they named their.
Speaker 10: All the major biker gangs have ties from the Vietnam War.
Speaker 10: They come back. A lot of them were started there
Speaker 10: and the original ones were started to World War Two
Speaker 10: because they would learn how to ride motorcycles over there
Speaker 10: and then they became available.
Speaker 6: So wis Hybrid and Parsons Laurel Canyon decade.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that was earlier, but still it's it's
Speaker 2: around the time Lisa was talking about nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: That era, like a lot of big things going on there.
Speaker 2: I do think that scientology and its naval intelligence connection
Speaker 2: can't be overlooked if we're talking about how.
Speaker 4: The Laurel Canayan ties in direct I'm sorry, but the
Speaker 4: Laurel Canyan ties in directly to Jack Parsons and the
Speaker 4: Oto Lodge. He was a part of which is called
Speaker 4: the Agape Lodge in California, and there's evidence that Charles
Speaker 4: Manson was Actually there's some weird stuff where they hired
Speaker 4: them to break into the lodge to get a bunch
Speaker 4: of files and documents because there was like a like
Speaker 4: an argument between Israel Regardi and the other person that
Speaker 4: was running the lodge at the time, m And they
Speaker 4: had the Mansons dude like creepy crawl into the lodge
Speaker 4: and it was in Death Valley. And then there's all kinds.
Speaker 4: There's a weird story that ties into that lodge called
Speaker 4: the Boy in the Box.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna see there was a boy that
Speaker 6: was locked in a box somewhere and they were somehow
Speaker 6: able to Okay.
Speaker 7: So you know that story good?
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he was locked in a box at the
Speaker 4: lodge and supposedly they were like using him for ritual
Speaker 4: and stuff, and they found him chained up and he
Speaker 4: had just like a bowl of water and like some food.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they said like they weren't.
Speaker 6: He was just like pisson and shitting all over himself
Speaker 6: in the box. And it was a lot like how
Speaker 6: they talk about the kids at Presidio Air Force Base.
Speaker 6: They were getting pissed on and shipped on, and like
Speaker 6: that's one of the main things if you look for Satanism,
Speaker 6: is like kids getting literally pissed and shipped on and
Speaker 6: some I think it was actually in McGowan's blog about
Speaker 6: this kid that was locked in the box. I can't
Speaker 6: remember all the details.
Speaker 4: Like thrash it was. He had a whole chapter on
Speaker 4: it directly with the Laurel Canyon and like Manson and
Speaker 4: then some some band.
Speaker 5: That you know, not to get back to, like the
Speaker 5: piss and ship stuff, but that didn't come up. That
Speaker 5: did come up that they come up in one of
Speaker 5: Paul Bonacci's story, not to him, but the chick I
Speaker 5: forgot the girl that he was with a lot.
Speaker 1: They had both left ones.
Speaker 5: I think they actually got into a plane and went
Speaker 5: somewhere and they both got split apart. Yeah, when she
Speaker 5: came back into the car to get back into the riot,
Speaker 5: I mean he said she was covered in just kiss shit.
Speaker 6: Well, and I think that's where isn't that the story
Speaker 6: where Hunter S. Thompson gets involved. Is he king?
Speaker 2: I mean he's he was. He'd spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time in the Bay and La, but yeah, the Bonazzi
Speaker 2: stuff about him, and McGowan was convinced that Hunter s
Speaker 2: Thompson was one of the bad ones. I listened to
Speaker 2: an interview where you can just hear the heartbreak in
Speaker 2: his voice, and I feel the same way. Like that
Speaker 2: one's kind of hard to swallow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hunter s Thompson, he's no good.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean the more I look into it,
Speaker 2: the more I don't want to, but I can't stop.
Speaker 2: We're actually going to do a huge episode on him.
Speaker 4: He's literally the model nightmare neighbor. He's literally just like
Speaker 4: taking US forty four and just like on loading it
Speaker 4: at the ebor and running a sheriff. Yeah, eff and
Speaker 4: shaved his head and he had like the what was
Speaker 4: it the peote button logo for the sheriff.
Speaker 10: And well that's another Up there is in Aspen, Aspen
Speaker 10: and Boulder, they're connected and they have the same kind
Speaker 10: of thing. Glenn Fry from the Eagles was up there
Speaker 10: and a lot of weird stuff like that, like he
Speaker 10: had a pass from the lot to do whatever he
Speaker 10: wanted to do up.
Speaker 2: There, and yeah, Bill Murray and Brian Doyle Murray were
Speaker 2: hanging out with Hunter s Thompson quite a bit too.
Speaker 2: So that sucks.
Speaker 7: That really sucks. I love Bill Murray Colby told me
Speaker 7: that he.
Speaker 2: Fucked his cat Hunter s Thompson. So do you guys
Speaker 2: know this story about the Screwjack post?
Speaker 7: My gosh, you guys are gonna fuck.
Speaker 6: You throw Well.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, I was a huge Hunter S
Speaker 2: Thompson fan. I read everything I could get my hands on.
Speaker 2: And not long after he died, they published this like
Speaker 2: collection of short stories called Screwjack. And you all know
Speaker 2: about how he kind of, oh, this is fiction, but
Speaker 2: is it with fear and loathing and all that? I mean,
Speaker 2: he knows that he has to claim that it's satire,
Speaker 2: and but it's a first person account about him fucking
Speaker 2: his cat. And I read that and just kind of
Speaker 2: does the cats on the cover? The cat's on the
Speaker 2: cover of the book too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's a cute cat. I've seen a million
Speaker 6: cats like that. It's a little black cat. Yeah. Do
Speaker 6: you believe it?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: Now I can't. I gotta wonder.
Speaker 3: As far as as far as counterculture, I mean.
Speaker 10: Who he was huge and drugs and especially the Hell's Angel,
Speaker 10: Like he broadcasted that and made it popular, so that
Speaker 10: whole counterculture movement would and the Hell's Angels wouldn't be
Speaker 10: nearly as popular if you didn't write that book and
Speaker 10: show up on that TV show where.
Speaker 2: The one Yeah, and let's not forget that Adrenochrome was
Speaker 2: published in the nineteen seventy two novel where you know
Speaker 2: it kind of faded away. We didn't really know about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can look into the history of it
Speaker 2: and it's all pretty credible. But then he brought it
Speaker 2: into mainstream culture, and then again with the movie in
Speaker 2: the nineties with Johnny Depp.
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember being a kid and I used
Speaker 4: to be obsessed with looking up different drugs. For some reason.
Speaker 4: I would look up every drug possible and what they
Speaker 4: did and everything. And I remember watching Fear and Loathing
Speaker 4: in Las Vegas and here, oh, what's that one? Let
Speaker 4: me read that one up? And I remember looking it
Speaker 4: up on like eroid dot org or whatever. Nice And
Speaker 4: there was a lot of interesting stuff back then. It
Speaker 4: was like two thousand and five, two thousand and six,
Speaker 4: I Love I Loved Ye, and then like a lot
Speaker 4: of that disappeared.
Speaker 7: What did it say?
Speaker 4: Just all kinds of stuff, like the different doctors and
Speaker 4: alkaloids and like different experiments that are done. We're done
Speaker 4: with it and everything, real kinds of detailed information. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then it would also say that it's mainly only
Speaker 4: was talked about in that book, and that's was like
Speaker 4: where it was first heard of really in the public.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: Well, I think if we're going to talk Laurel Canyon stuff,
Speaker 6: we should also mention actors from the Laurel Canyon, because
Speaker 6: I don't think we did that last time we covered
Speaker 6: the canyon, did we.
Speaker 2: I think we skimmed it a little bit.
Speaker 9: I think I have a list. Oh, go ahead, as
Speaker 9: you look. As you look up a list. I wanted
Speaker 9: to kind of mention something that about Frank Zappa. I
Speaker 9: don't know if if y'all have already mentioned this before,
Speaker 9: but did y'all know about his dad, Frank Zappa's dad.
Speaker 8: Mm hm, Edward Arsenal, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 9: And so he he actually was like a metallurgist for
Speaker 9: Lockheed and Convet Aircraft corporations as well. And during this time,
Speaker 9: that's when Edgewood was also affiliated with MK oh I'm
Speaker 9: sure one time, and they were running LSD experiments at
Speaker 9: the same time. So It's just pretty interesting that you
Speaker 9: have that and then you have Frank Zappa kind of
Speaker 9: show up and then this whole psychedelic scene. But the
Speaker 9: other thing is Zappa's wife was also intelligence, so she
Speaker 9: came from a long line of intelligence people as well.
Speaker 9: And then you know, you go down the whole list
Speaker 9: of I think it was like his manager. If you
Speaker 9: already mentioned this, I apologize. He was like a gun
Speaker 9: runner in the Caribbean.
Speaker 6: I mean, just what was his name, his manner?
Speaker 8: Cohen?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do remember that from the book, Herb Cohen.
Speaker 6: And there wasn't there another one though, a Rothschild though, No,
Speaker 6: that was.
Speaker 2: For the doors Paul paula Rothschild, Yeah, apparently discovered them
Speaker 2: and I think he was elected records.
Speaker 4: But Frank Zappa, he even claimed, like when his dad
Speaker 4: worked at Edgewood Arsenal and they were there, that he
Speaker 4: had horrible problems breathing and he had horrible coughing problems
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And then when they moved to California,
Speaker 4: a lot of that cleared up. But then famously Frank
Speaker 4: Zappa died horribly.
Speaker 6: Of cancer AINUS cancer, yeah, ainus cancer, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: So was he breathing through his ass.
Speaker 6: He was doing all kinds of stuff with his ass.
Speaker 7: If you ask me, everybody.
Speaker 4: Weren't.
Speaker 9: Wasn't this wasn't this where they were developing all the
Speaker 9: nerve gases saren and orange and all that other stuff
Speaker 9: to be later used in Vietnam.
Speaker 8: This was at that time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my notes say that his dad was the head
Speaker 6: of operation what is this a chemical warfare and mk
Speaker 6: ultra operations at the experimental Edgewood Arsenal Facility. That's what
Speaker 6: I have in my notes. But you were talking about
Speaker 6: his wife, and actually John Phillips's wife was a direct
Speaker 6: descendant of President John Adams. And I think his John
Speaker 6: Phillips's sister was a career employee of the Pentagon. And
Speaker 6: so yeah, I mean, all these guys, it's like, and
Speaker 6: I said about Crosby earlier, like his family tree goes
Speaker 6: back to like signers of the Declaration of Independence, high
Speaker 6: ranking Mason's people were paying to like have his baby,
Speaker 6: weren't they like, please nut inside me, please nut inside me.
Speaker 6: But I don't, I mean, I don't know what's going
Speaker 6: on with them.
Speaker 8: And the whole my whole point.
Speaker 9: And I know everybody said this already. I know in
Speaker 9: every Laurel Canyon stuff they keep saying this, But if
Speaker 9: you have a bunch of military brats, right, because that's
Speaker 9: what they were, and they all move to an area
Speaker 9: where it's an air force base, Lookout Mountain, and then
Speaker 9: you have all of these I don't know ops coming
Speaker 9: out of Lookout Mountain that were influencing the culture. I
Speaker 9: think they just diversified their portfolio, like Nick said, well,
Speaker 9: manipulating society.
Speaker 10: So a part of the book is so back then
Speaker 10: almost everybody or there was a good percentage chance that
Speaker 10: you were going to get drafted.
Speaker 3: And whether you made it or not through.
Speaker 10: The medical and all that, that's another thing. But at
Speaker 10: least being drafted huge likelihood. And he went through and
Speaker 10: none of the people in Laurel Canyon got drafted. So
Speaker 10: it seems like these high ranking people found you know,
Speaker 10: creative ways of getting their kids not to get slaughtered.
Speaker 6: And or maybe they were drafted but in different capacity,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like they were drafted, but
Speaker 6: they were carrying out a different operation and they were
Speaker 6: very useful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were very useful. So
Speaker 6: there was no way that they were going to like
Speaker 6: ship them off somewhere. They were doing a great job here,
Speaker 6: you know, at home.
Speaker 4: Well, remember they did that with Elvis, they had him
Speaker 4: all dressed up in the military and army and everything,
Speaker 4: and then they did that with Jimmy Hendricks as well.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 10: And Elvis was literally an agent. He was a DA agent.
Speaker 10: And people go through these books and they're like, oh,
Speaker 10: it's just you know, some goofy thing he did because
Speaker 10: he has that much clout. But he was deputized in
Speaker 10: like several agencies.
Speaker 6: I mean, so isn't that where he met Priscilla too?
Speaker 6: In Germany?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 4: No, isn't that like Priscilla like his.
Speaker 2: Like by the way, Yeah, but think she I think
Speaker 2: she was even younger than that when the courtship.
Speaker 6: He was thirteen when the courtship began. But I swear
Speaker 6: he was he like met her while he was overseas.
Speaker 6: I want to say it brought her back he came.
Speaker 2: I think he came home on leave or something and
Speaker 2: met Priscilla. I mean, it's a story.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I covered it a long time ago. But actually.
Speaker 6: I was going to have you tell your theory about
Speaker 6: Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I think that Jack Nicholson, He's got one
Speaker 2: of the most intriguing stories out of any of the
Speaker 2: Hollywood guys come out. Yeah, but he's because he was
Speaker 2: definitely kind of not huge. He was doing his acting
Speaker 2: in the beginning, and the story is is that he
Speaker 2: decided to become more of a producer and then Rip
Speaker 2: Torn had a schedule conflict when they were doing Easy Writer,
Speaker 2: and so they got Nicholson and then that role helped
Speaker 2: him blow up. But his story is so similar to
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy's, like with him being raised by a grandmother
Speaker 2: that he thinks is his mother and his sister is
Speaker 2: actually his mom. No birth certificate, no birth certificate. But
Speaker 2: we were covering Ted Bundy and ever since, you know,
Speaker 2: probably like the last five years or so, when I've
Speaker 2: started to think a lot of this stuff is just bullshit.
Speaker 2: Stage to that Syops, I thought there was an interview
Speaker 2: with Ted Bundy. I think it was in Colorado, and
Speaker 2: I swear it to Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's compelling.
Speaker 2: It's it.
Speaker 4: Did you ever see the movie psych Out with Jack Nicholson?
Speaker 2: Is that one of the like the ones he made
Speaker 2: with Fonda and Dennis Hopper where they did Easy Writer,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: Like it's like a it's like an acid movie through
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of worked their way up to Easy Writer,
Speaker 2: which to me, I love Easy Writer. That was one
Speaker 2: of my favorite.
Speaker 4: And then he also he also did a biker movie too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, wasn't that Easy Writer.
Speaker 4: No, I mean not a different one if it's almost
Speaker 4: like Hell's Angels kind of thing. Really it was called
Speaker 4: Hell's Angels.
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't remember he played the Joker too, Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah he did.
Speaker 6: I think Jack Nicholson is probably one of the most
Speaker 6: well known out of the list. I mean maybe my
Speaker 6: list is Jack Nicholson, Warren Bady, Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, Salminio,
Speaker 6: and James Dean. Which there's a whole thing about James
Speaker 6: Dean too. I can't remember what it is though he
Speaker 6: was gay, right.
Speaker 2: And uh was he gay? I know Montgomery Cliss ever.
Speaker 6: I remember reading something in the Gallas Rock Hudson was gay.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe they all were.
Speaker 7: Who maybe they're they're gay together.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the list is. But you got to throw
Speaker 2: Roman plan Ski in there.
Speaker 7: One hundred Romans.
Speaker 2: He's not an actor.
Speaker 6: But you should also didn't say your theory about the
Speaker 6: the Tate murders being staged.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've just come to the point where I
Speaker 2: think a lot of these things never really happened, and
Speaker 2: the Lobbianca ones I think probably get overlooked a lot
Speaker 2: just because of the you know, the scope of the
Speaker 2: Tate killings. But I don't know, I can't be convinced
Speaker 2: after reading everything about Laurel Canyon and who her dad
Speaker 2: was and the way they blew it up. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like how I also don't think the West Memphis
Speaker 2: three thing even is real. It just seems like they
Speaker 2: take these moments in time to really shift everything, and
Speaker 2: I really don't think they would have to kill anybody.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes you think.
Speaker 7: It was like a Hollywood stage, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, Hollywood is CIA, CIA is Hollywood, and throw
Speaker 2: Disney in there with Laurel Kannon Sharon Tates that I
Speaker 2: don't remember if what branch of military he was, but
Speaker 2: he kind of came in and just took over after
Speaker 2: it happened, And I mean, they just all the stuff
Speaker 2: they found that the Polansky household it if she is dead,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm kind of on the fence about it,
Speaker 2: But if I had to say, you know, life or
Speaker 2: death situation, gun to head, I would say that they
Speaker 2: staged a lot of it. Yeah, and the Polansky Nicholson
Speaker 2: connection is huge too, And that's whose house the hot
Speaker 2: tub incident happened with the girl, you know, the whole
Speaker 2: reason they had to extradite him and or not extradite
Speaker 2: but move him over to France. So a lot of
Speaker 2: the Hollywood stuff really goes overlooked when we talk about
Speaker 2: Laurel Cannon just because the music scenes huge, way easier
Speaker 2: to get kind of engulfed in. But a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that is the darkest was going on with
Speaker 2: the movie stars.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but Lookout Mountain had state of the art equipment.
Speaker 10: That's where they were filming nuclear films, right for the
Speaker 10: nuclear blasts.
Speaker 6: And that's what they said officially. I think they were
Speaker 6: doing a lot of stuff unofficially that will never know
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 2: They say that's where they like developed the films.
Speaker 6: Okay, then why did Marilyn Monroe have tops?
Speaker 2: Well, what he's saying, I always thought that those things
Speaker 2: looked like a model.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they look fake and gay.
Speaker 2: And that's where they're probably filming all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: And like if Kubrick really did film the moon landing.
Speaker 2: If it was him or somebody else, lookout, that's probably
Speaker 2: where they would have done it.
Speaker 6: I mean, Marilyn Monroe, she was one of the astronauts.
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Frank Sinatra had tops apparents.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know why I'm blanking. Oh Seabring, Jay Sebering.
Speaker 4: I brought it up last time, but you have have
Speaker 4: to watch the j Sebring documentary. It's interesting.
Speaker 6: Where can we find it?
Speaker 4: It's just it was just on Amazon when it came out,
Speaker 4: and I think I readed it for like two or
Speaker 4: three bucks.
Speaker 7: It's just called j Sebring or what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just about it's about him. It's it's pretty interesting,
Speaker 4: but they it. It has the lawyer and everything, and
Speaker 4: it kind of talks about he was saying that Sharon
Speaker 4: was trying to divorce Polanski and that she was trying
Speaker 4: to get back with Seabring, and it's pretty interesting. I
Speaker 4: found it interesting anyway. But the only problem again, it
Speaker 4: just adds to the case. You're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: now here's this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, I know, but isn't J Sebring the one
Speaker 6: that used to cut Jim Morrison's hair, jeg.
Speaker 4: I mean he was the Jerseyson Sinatra, Sinatra, Sammy Davis,
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, all those people, almost anybody that what's his
Speaker 4: what's his name? Steve McQueen was like his best friend, mm.
Speaker 6: Was Natalie Wood Laurel Canyon? I mean I think like
Speaker 6: Laurel Kenyon adjacent definitely, because I know she was tight
Speaker 6: with Warren Batty. Who is Laurel Canyon? And that I
Speaker 6: did an episode a long time ago on like how
Speaker 6: weird her death was too, because.
Speaker 2: Well a lot of people watched Once upon a Time
Speaker 2: in Hollywood with the Brad Pitt out on the boat
Speaker 2: with the harpoon thing, and because they maybe killed his wife,
Speaker 2: that that was a nod to Natalie Wood, right situation.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that, but I mean, yeah, there's a
Speaker 6: lot of suspicious, weird stuff about what happened to her,
Speaker 6: because wasn't who was on the boats?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Remember the other her husband and they got in an
Speaker 4: argument or something, right, she had hung out with Christopher
Speaker 4: Walking all day or something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what it was, and he was on the boat.
Speaker 6: I do remember that, but gosh, I wish I could
Speaker 6: remember from that episode. But there was like even like
Speaker 6: a witness or something that saw her like in the
Speaker 6: water screaming for help, and nobody would throw her a floaty.
Speaker 6: I mean, she couldn't swim, so but I couldn't remember
Speaker 6: if she was Laurel Canyon or like Laurel Canyon adjacent.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that McGowan does bring her up
Speaker 2: in the book.
Speaker 6: He also brings up Phil Hartman too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Phil Hartman's an interesting one just because of I don't
Speaker 2: remember exactly what he was doing, but he ended up
Speaker 2: being like the guy who designed a lot of the
Speaker 2: logos right, Yeah, did some album cover artwork.
Speaker 7: He came up with Crosby Stills in Nash logo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think his death is really suspicious. I
Speaker 2: used to just buy the story.
Speaker 4: But his wife shot him, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I heard someone talk about it once and
Speaker 2: then when they said that she used to step down
Speaker 2: to kill herself, then she used to kill him. That
Speaker 2: right there, it was like, Okay, you got to look
Speaker 2: into this one because there's a lot of fucker your
Speaker 2: foot on that one. And he was around all these
Speaker 2: guys when he was really young.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I can't remember where what part of the block.
Speaker 6: I think it was like on the last page or
Speaker 6: something he talked about like Phil Hartman and some people
Speaker 6: who were like distantly related to the Canyon. I think
Speaker 6: that's when Natalie Wood comes up. But I mean, I.
Speaker 7: Feel like I've asked everybody except for.
Speaker 6: Mike and Thrash who their favorite Laurel Canyon people. Did
Speaker 6: I ask you, Lisa? You did? I did ask you.
Speaker 2: You asked if the doors were her favorite?
Speaker 6: Oh and you said yes.
Speaker 8: I said, I mean, I like them, yes. But I think,
Speaker 8: like I said, Joni Mitchell.
Speaker 9: All right, yeah, that's what she said, because he really
Speaker 9: talks about that. They're kind of in the background, probably
Speaker 9: watching it all happen.
Speaker 3: You know, Eric Clapton all day. For me, I love
Speaker 3: Eric Clapton.
Speaker 6: Is that what Nick landed on to?
Speaker 2: I think so yes.
Speaker 4: That leaves Thrash well, it's it's either Frank Zappa or
Speaker 4: Jim Morrison. Like I'm but I have more Jim Morrison books.
Speaker 4: But I feel like I'm more into Frank Zappa's music.
Speaker 4: I feel like Frank Zappa actually said a lot with
Speaker 4: his music, like he was kind of exposing a lot
Speaker 4: of MK ultra and stuff in my opinion, even though
Speaker 4: he was still kind of a garbage guy.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, well the best ones are what was.
Speaker 7: It, mothers of invention?
Speaker 4: But he started he like gave like so many good
Speaker 4: musicians got their start through Frank Zappa.
Speaker 2: Un as far as just musically speaking, he was so
Speaker 2: extimental and I think he's probably influenced so many people
Speaker 2: that probably wouldn't be playing music today. He's definitely he's eccentric.
Speaker 4: He literally has albums called Shut Up and Play Your Guitar,
Speaker 4: and it's there's like four or five albums and they're
Speaker 4: literally nothing but guitar solos. It's just it's a band
Speaker 4: and just him just shredding for twenty minutes, I think.
Speaker 4: But like Terry Bosio, he would always somehow find child prodigies.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, like Terry Bozio is probably the one
Speaker 4: of the greatest drummers ever and he started the Frank
Speaker 4: Zappa Steve I started with Frank Zappa.
Speaker 6: Ye didn't Crosby Stils and Nash start with them?
Speaker 4: One hundred jammed, He jammed with everybody and uh, Frank
Speaker 4: Zappa even had like a beef with John Lennon because
Speaker 4: you could find a little clip of him talking crap.
Speaker 4: So they did like a live show with Yoko Oh
Speaker 4: and John Lennon and uh Zappa. They played one of
Speaker 4: Zappa's songs and then on John Lenn's album he credited
Speaker 4: hisself that they wrote the song and he changed the
Speaker 4: title and everything, so.
Speaker 7: They had like bad blood.
Speaker 4: Well he just yeh friank. Zappa was kind of outspoken.
Speaker 4: He would just kind of like if you did something
Speaker 4: like that, he would just call you out on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, who this, who's this fucking Tavistock puke
Speaker 2: coming out?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I was gonna say because the Beatles were at
Speaker 6: some point hanging out with them, weren't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some overlap there. I know Lennon was
Speaker 2: there quite often. There was even there's Harry Nilsen right, yep,
Speaker 2: befriended the Beatles and there's some suspicious stuff that went
Speaker 2: on with that guy and at his house one hundred.
Speaker 6: Wasn't that who Mama Cass was hanging out with when
Speaker 6: she choked on the ham.
Speaker 2: Sandwhich I think she did.
Speaker 6: Quote unquote she choked on a ham sandwich.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Mama Cass and then we're supposed to be
Speaker 4: going over to the Tatehouse to have a party that night,
Speaker 4: like that was right, and that's why Steve McQueen supposedly
Speaker 4: went by and got the drugs from the house before
Speaker 4: the police got there.
Speaker 6: There is, Lisa, Were you going to screen misterang just kidding?
Speaker 9: No, No, no, I was. I think I was going
Speaker 9: to say something about something else. Oh, I was going
Speaker 9: to make a joke because you were saying bad blood.
Speaker 9: I was like Taylor Swift bad blood. It was a
Speaker 9: bad joke.
Speaker 6: No, it's a good joke.
Speaker 7: I like it.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. And isn't it. Did her Man win
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: No, no he did not. He did not want but
Speaker 6: he did.
Speaker 8: Look on movie stori Is anyway, Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 7: I saw that.
Speaker 6: But I was gonna say somebody posted something about Yoko
Speaker 6: Ono a comment, oh that she was a psychopath. I
Speaker 6: actually do believe that. Have you ever heard the story
Speaker 6: of like what John Lennon, like what made him fall
Speaker 6: in love with her? Have you guys heard this bullshit
Speaker 6: ass story?
Speaker 10: Oh guys, it's like mk algo, you saw sees a
Speaker 10: sign and says yes or something?
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Watch the right he goes to like an art exhibit
Speaker 6: and all this stuff is like really dark and really
Speaker 6: like macabre, and there's like an art piece where you
Speaker 6: have to climb a ladder and go all the way
Speaker 6: to the top of the ladder to see like what
Speaker 6: the art piece is. And he thought he was going
Speaker 6: to get to the top and it was going to
Speaker 6: say suck my dick or something like that, but instead
Speaker 6: it said something really beautiful and positive, and he was like,
Speaker 6: I need to meet the person who made this, and
Speaker 6: it was Yoko's bitch ass, and I guess they just
Speaker 6: fell in love after that. This is why I say
Speaker 6: I think a lot of this stuff is actually made up.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm almost ninety nine point nine percent certain that
Speaker 6: John is trans at this point because he's he's like
Speaker 6: John Dinver. He's small and dainty, kind of feminine.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a lot of people out there.
Speaker 6: Who say all of them are, they're all training.
Speaker 2: I can't like every We'll.
Speaker 6: Never say George is a training. I love George. George
Speaker 6: is the best beetle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think there's inversion that goes on.
Speaker 2: But at the.
Speaker 7: Level of Yoka was trans.
Speaker 2: I mean i'd buy that way.
Speaker 7: Look at her.
Speaker 6: Holy shit, I was gonna say something before that though. Oh,
Speaker 6: I think my favorite out of the Laurel Canyon is
Speaker 6: the mom's in the papas. I don't know if if
Speaker 6: Janice is the honorable mention? Is she Laurel Canyon?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Living really? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she even died in a hotel that it
Speaker 4: was like, right, Aaron, Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 6: Is she twenty seven club?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, So she supposedly died from this. She had the
Speaker 4: same heroine that supposedly Jim Morrison died. They had the
Speaker 4: same heroin dealer who was the same dealer for the Stones,
Speaker 4: and that dealer ended up dying from his own stuff.
Speaker 4: He was like a French like related to French royalty,
Speaker 4: and he had like connections to Morocco and everything, and
Speaker 4: he was like shipping stuff all over And I think.
Speaker 6: She killed herself though sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm supposedly too.
Speaker 4: I don't think I think there was a lot of
Speaker 4: I think heroin was becoming a thing around right after
Speaker 4: the stuff. I think she was addicted to it, in
Speaker 4: my opinion, but.
Speaker 6: Like accidental overdose though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because his stuff was supposedly so strong that he
Speaker 4: even died from.
Speaker 6: It, right, But they put her down as like a suicide,
Speaker 6: and I don't think she killed herself, no, Janet, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't think Janice killed herself because she was about
Speaker 6: to get married. She was so happy.
Speaker 4: I could see her accidentally doing it. Maybe yes, maybe accidentally.
Speaker 6: Or maybe because she's part of the twenty seventh club,
Speaker 6: like she had it was her time to go, and
Speaker 6: they fucking set it up to make it look like.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: There was also blind Now Wilson who was a part
Speaker 4: of Yeah, he who was also the twenty seven club,
Speaker 4: who's directly tied into Laurel kan I.
Speaker 6: Mentioned that with William Ramsey if you go on the blog.
Speaker 6: I don't know if we could do a share screen
Speaker 6: or something, but there's this whole Laurel Kenyon death list
Speaker 6: that he lists off the blog and blind Out Wilson
Speaker 6: is on there, Janice is on there, Jimmy Hendrix is
Speaker 6: on there. I mean, they're all there. But it's like,
Speaker 6: it's just odd to me how many get ruled a
Speaker 6: suicide when the circumstances around the quote unquote suicide are.
Speaker 7: Just so suspicious.
Speaker 6: It's like, there's no way these are all fucking suicides,
Speaker 6: Like you're not convincing me of that No way.
Speaker 9: One thing that I thought of when you were saying
Speaker 9: twenty seven club. I mean you hear twenty seven club
Speaker 9: over and over and over, right, But you know what
Speaker 9: people haven't talked about people who die at seventy two?
Speaker 7: Seventy two?
Speaker 8: Yeah, because twenty so make it that.
Speaker 6: Long out of the Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 8: John Wayne was seventy two, and so is Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 6: Ew Old Blue Eyes.
Speaker 2: I was gonna sayid, but I think he was seventy one.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I always liked the ones that die at either twenty
Speaker 2: six or twenty eight because it's like, uh, you almost
Speaker 2: had it.
Speaker 6: I think anybody who dies in their twenties, well, I
Speaker 6: mean you could Phoenix.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of It's like twenty six to thirty
Speaker 2: two is the one where it's basically all of them,
Speaker 2: like ow.
Speaker 6: Old, what wasn't Kurt thirty three?
Speaker 2: Who Kirk.
Speaker 3: Club?
Speaker 6: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 6: And uh, what's her name?
Speaker 2: Amy Winehouse? Yeah, Brandon Jones kind of kicked it off
Speaker 2: because they do say that what's the guy's name?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: I used to love him, did the he had the
Speaker 2: Crossroads legend. He was a blues guitarist.
Speaker 3: Oh is Robert Johnson?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Robert Johnnson.
Speaker 6: It was twenty seven, wasn't he the o G twenty
Speaker 6: seventh club though? That's why they put it in No brother,
Speaker 6: We're arty. I sold my soul to the devil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he sposed like the first one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, mm hmmm. He taught me how to play this
Speaker 6: guitar reel.
Speaker 2: I read a book a while back that kind of
Speaker 2: tied some old classical European musicians into it too. There's a.
Speaker 6: Really what I mean, I guess do you think it's real? Though?
Speaker 2: It's the real as we wanted to be?
Speaker 7: How old was Selena? She was young, twenty two? I
Speaker 7: think I.
Speaker 4: Think it's like Amy Winehouse is a part of it.
Speaker 6: Mids much are all the elders die at seventy two?
Speaker 6: That's interesting over there, con cocted some ship.
Speaker 1: I was sorry I was that. I found that deathly
Speaker 1: Oh cool?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So if you look on there, Nick, I don't
Speaker 6: know if you can share screen or not, but there
Speaker 6: are so many deaths that get ruled a suicide out
Speaker 6: of the canyon, and a lot of them have like
Speaker 6: real weird like circumstances around the suicide, Like do you
Speaker 6: did you listen to that episode I did with William Ramsey.
Speaker 7: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 7: Like it's like, oh, it was ruled the suicide, but well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of their lot, the Brothers band, one of
Speaker 2: the guys gotten a wipeout and his motorcycle at an intersection.
Speaker 2: And then it was like almost a year I think
Speaker 2: it was almost a year later they the other guy
Speaker 2: did it too, and they said his was.
Speaker 6: A suicide, right, see what I mean, like.
Speaker 2: He ran it purpose because he was so depressed about
Speaker 2: his bandmate dying.
Speaker 6: You know what I think if they're going to rule
Speaker 6: some of these suicides would have been an interesting one
Speaker 6: with Mama cass As. She killed herself on a ham
Speaker 6: sandwhich just to like humiliate her because they always made
Speaker 6: fun of how fat she was.
Speaker 2: Oh she lost all the weight by then.
Speaker 9: I wonder, you know how like they had a scribbled
Speaker 9: pig on Sharon Tates I thing the whole ham pork.
Speaker 2: Old shoes, especially because she was supposed to be there
Speaker 2: that night.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, you think that's what I thought?
Speaker 6: Oh that is so crazy.
Speaker 2: You left out piggy. We'll get you at the ham sandwich.
Speaker 4: Well there's there's a cure was black and honey baked
Speaker 4: for sure. There's speculation that it doesn't say pig, that
Speaker 4: it says pick, as in Pick Dawson, who is supposed
Speaker 4: to be one of the drug dealers.
Speaker 3: Mmm.
Speaker 6: I like the pig better because it makes Mama Cass's
Speaker 6: ham sandwich make more sense. But I also think that
Speaker 6: they just put a sacrificial pig.
Speaker 2: All right, Teresa, she's on one.
Speaker 6: Uh, Teresa, where the fuck are you? By the way,
Speaker 6: she's in the commons section, but she can't draw up,
Speaker 6: I know. But there was a story about Mama Cass
Speaker 6: where it was like they met her because she was
Speaker 6: like working at a bar or something, and like you
Speaker 6: know the story I always tell she got like bonked
Speaker 6: on the head by a pipe and then all of
Speaker 6: a sudden she could just start singing real good and
Speaker 6: they But the real story is they grew up with
Speaker 6: her on a military base.
Speaker 7: They were friends with her from childhood.
Speaker 2: Nick Morrison was in their kindergarten class.
Speaker 6: So the whole pipe and get balked. And but it's
Speaker 6: like I said that, it's it's not like they're talentless.
Speaker 13: Like they know they wouldn't pick talentless people that Bob
Speaker 13: Dylan got in like a motor cycle or a car accident,
Speaker 13: and he claimed that his voice got was better after
Speaker 13: the car accident, or.
Speaker 2: Well, it could only improve.
Speaker 6: Oh god, I was gonna say, was that the improved?
Speaker 2: And I'm above I'm a Bob Dylan fan. I think
Speaker 2: the guy can sing when he wants to.
Speaker 6: Did you hear him in that Michael Jackson song We
Speaker 6: Are the World? I don't know. I don't think he's that.
Speaker 6: I think he can write very well, but.
Speaker 2: Listen to his country stuff. He can sing.
Speaker 7: Was it before or after the accident?
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about that?
Speaker 6: Was he Laurel Kenyon?
Speaker 4: I mean, my grandpa always used to make fun of
Speaker 4: him because he thought he couldn't sing, ever, and used
Speaker 4: to laugh that he used to claim that after the
Speaker 4: accident that he could sing better, And my grandpa would
Speaker 4: always make fun of Bob Dylan being able to sing
Speaker 4: after the accident.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess, I guess he can technically sing,
Speaker 6: but I mean it's not great.
Speaker 7: I'll say that it's not great.
Speaker 6: There was another Laurel Canyon scene though going around on
Speaker 6: the around the same time, though in Memphis and Nashville, though,
Speaker 6: wasn't there in the sixties.
Speaker 2: I've never looked into it. I know Sean mccantuk's yeah.
Speaker 6: Sean and I talked about it a little bit. But
Speaker 6: that's where you get like a lot of like the
Speaker 6: big country stars, and it was really like very Laurel canyonesque.
Speaker 6: How they all kind of came out together. And I
Speaker 6: think the Birds actually tried to play at somewhere in
Speaker 6: Nashville and they got like boot off the stage. And
Speaker 6: there was like this whole thing where it was trying
Speaker 6: to turn the hippie culture against the country culture and
Speaker 6: like create division because you know, at that time they
Speaker 6: were calling them long hairs and shit like that, and
Speaker 6: the country scene was like straight laced and clean cut,
Speaker 6: and it was like hippies are trying to infiltrate, and
Speaker 6: like the whole country scene versus the hipp scene was
Speaker 6: like dividing conquered.
Speaker 2: Neil Young and Leonard Skinner remember the end of Easy Rider.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're riding through the South and they.
Speaker 2: Henry Lucases look alike picks him off with the shot.
Speaker 4: A bunch of hippies, right, So.
Speaker 6: I mean I think that it was kind of like
Speaker 6: I think Nick asked earlier, what do you think that
Speaker 6: they were trying to accomplish with this? And I think
Speaker 6: they had so many games running on people at the
Speaker 6: same time, like country music scene, hippie culture, and like
Speaker 6: the serial killers started popping up out of nowhere. It
Speaker 6: was just such a time to be alive. I'm surprised
Speaker 6: anybody fucking made it out.
Speaker 4: A little bit before the hippie scene. Was the beat
Speaker 4: nick scene?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she mentioned Los Alamos earlier. Who was it you said?
Speaker 2: One of the beat Knicks came out of there? Was
Speaker 2: it Burrows?
Speaker 8: It was what Aga?
Speaker 2: Maybe william S Burrow's Burrows.
Speaker 4: It was also big into occultism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have title lear too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Burrows was famous for chaos, magic and stuff, and
Speaker 4: he had a method of writing where he you and
Speaker 4: David Bowie used this to actually create his lyrics where
Speaker 4: you basically cut random words out and you just place
Speaker 4: him and the chaos basically is what creates the lyrics.
Speaker 4: And there's a whole video of David Bowie demonstrating how
Speaker 4: he does it and how you do it, and how
Speaker 4: he got it from Williams Burrows. What sh me, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'll get you the name of it here. I can't
Speaker 4: remember the name of it.
Speaker 1: He sent it to me and I watched that.
Speaker 9: Actually they had and it was I think it was
Speaker 9: an old boys school initially, if not in its entirety,
Speaker 9: but they had something and it was like ages twelve
Speaker 9: to eighteen or something. But they had something kind of
Speaker 9: like a kind to the Boy Scouts, and that when
Speaker 9: you graduated from high school you would basically obtain first
Speaker 9: rank in the Boy Scouts, or it was a requirement
Speaker 9: to graduate to have a rank in the Boy Scouts
Speaker 9: at this school in Los Alamos. But yeah, it was
Speaker 9: Roy Chapman, who basically was CEO of American Motor Corporation,
Speaker 9: Shirling Colegate, which you know we know that is william
Speaker 9: S Burrows Bill Veeck, which was the owner of the
Speaker 9: Chicago White Sox. He also had Gorbadal, who was grandson
Speaker 9: of Senator Thomas Gore. Arthur roberts Wood.
Speaker 7: Sounds for saying like Colegate, as in.
Speaker 4: Toothpaste, like Agail Folder, like Abigail Folger, so.
Speaker 6: The toothpaste guy.
Speaker 9: He was one of the family member. Nothing saw the Colgate,
Speaker 9: but hey.
Speaker 6: I swear to God, there's an episode of Ghost Adventures
Speaker 6: about him.
Speaker 9: So it came out I think when they were doing
Speaker 9: an expose on what was the name of Susan Jiski
Speaker 9: from YouTube or something.
Speaker 8: This YouTube video is gonna get cut for sure.
Speaker 9: Her Anne Wojiske, who is the owner or the developer
Speaker 9: of twenty three and meters, was the ex wife of
Speaker 9: serge A Brynn, who was the guy who invented a Google. Okay, well,
Speaker 9: they were talking about Anne and Susan's mom or grandmother,
Speaker 9: that she was kind of like the mom to all
Speaker 9: of these people in big tech, and that you could
Speaker 9: basically link back all the founders of big tech type things,
Speaker 9: whether you know, name it, they had a connection to
Speaker 9: their mom, and that all of them, somehow or another
Speaker 9: exposed their children to some sort of mk ultra program
Speaker 9: because they themselves, as mothers or whatever were exposed as well.
Speaker 9: And so it got me thinking, if this happened with
Speaker 9: big tech, surely this happened with the musician cub celebrities,
Speaker 9: or the movie celebrities, or even with the military. And
Speaker 9: I think this is just a continuation of this is
Speaker 9: what's happening, this is what's in our family. So I
Speaker 9: don't think it's far fetched at all to think that
Speaker 9: these children were exposed or brought up within that same framework.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I find it over and over again,
Speaker 6: even the episode we just did Lisa about Adolfo, Like,
Speaker 6: is it's generational for sure? I mean that will come
Speaker 6: out of the fucking woodwork, like they'd make you believe,
Speaker 6: and you know they're just you know, crazy people that
Speaker 6: came out of nowhere. But I mean that, So we
Speaker 6: got the toothpaste guy and the guy and somehow David
Speaker 6: Bowen learned after Somebody, Oh you mess Burrows Burrows Jesus good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the technique that Williams Burrows It's called the
Speaker 4: cut up technique and it's like a chaos magic technique
Speaker 4: and David Bowie almost exclusively used it in the seventies
Speaker 4: for his lyrics.
Speaker 6: So that what's that one song that he is just
Speaker 6: like completely while all of his songs are.
Speaker 4: But so he would like take his diary or like
Speaker 4: his like future thoughts, and then he would just randomly
Speaker 4: cut the words out from that and then he said
Speaker 4: that like it would like tell his future and all
Speaker 4: kinds of stuff.
Speaker 6: Is there life on Mars. I never did understand that
Speaker 6: motherfucker but it's still like, what were you saying about
Speaker 6: David Bowie the other day, Like he didn't believe in whatever,
Speaker 6: Like he sold an image to people that he did.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he kind of had some stuff
Speaker 2: he was saying at the end of his life where
Speaker 2: he's so it reminds me of Kurt Cobain. He was
Speaker 2: so willing to make it and get famous that he
Speaker 2: embraced all of the dark shit. And I think he
Speaker 2: kind of had a you know, I regret later in
Speaker 2: life because he said some things and I can't think
Speaker 2: of exactly what it was, just that he was kind
Speaker 2: of sorry that he did. But yeah, Bowie and Burrows,
Speaker 2: some of the stuff you're just saying, it reminds me
Speaker 2: of Rick Rubin, like some of his techniques that he'll
Speaker 2: use in recording studios. Right, he's a I mean, if
Speaker 2: you can name like somebody famous out of the last
Speaker 2: forty years, he probably had a hand in it.
Speaker 6: He writes songs.
Speaker 9: No, he's he's as Sanford. But he now has a podcast. Right,
Speaker 9: what is it Tetragramaton or something like that.
Speaker 4: Oh I've never heard, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have never heard.
Speaker 4: William S. Burrows would record messages and words, right, he
Speaker 4: would just record gibberish and random words and everything, and
Speaker 4: then he would cut the film and then put it
Speaker 4: together and then the random words would mean something. That's
Speaker 4: where it comes from. So that's where Rick Rubin is
Speaker 4: hitting that. He's like he would he cuts, like he'll
Speaker 4: just record random stuff and then they'll they'll cut parts
Speaker 4: of that out and then place it and make a
Speaker 4: whole song out of randomness.
Speaker 6: Basically, No, I mean it makes sense to me. Like
Speaker 6: I said before, is their life on Mars? I fucking
Speaker 6: love that song, but it makes zero sense, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: I mean, watch the video on it's on YouTube, David
Speaker 4: Bowie talking about cut up technique. It's literally like a
Speaker 4: minute a minute long, and you can see there's like
Speaker 4: lines of coke on the table and everything while he's
Speaker 4: talking about it.
Speaker 6: Well, what do you think about them saying stuff about
Speaker 6: like and this could be all made up? But they
Speaker 6: take like the master and they do these rituals on
Speaker 6: it and they mass produce it. So anytime you listen
Speaker 6: to it, you're getting demonized. And do you guys think
Speaker 6: that there's something to that or like, what what are
Speaker 6: your thoughts?
Speaker 1: I think so I have heard that.
Speaker 5: Supposedly sometimes these records even get pressed depending on astrological times.
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, so you do think like because I can't
Speaker 6: remember who it was, but it was like a guy
Speaker 6: who said they would take like the master and they
Speaker 6: would take it into like a secret room and they
Speaker 6: would have like a literal ritual and they would infuse
Speaker 6: it with I don't know, I mean you heard.
Speaker 3: This right, Yeah?
Speaker 4: Really I had the video say I'll give you the
Speaker 4: name of the guy.
Speaker 7: Oh you know what I'm talking about specifically, Okay.
Speaker 1: One thing that I all right, I'll put it this way.
Speaker 5: I would not doubt that happens with music because of
Speaker 5: just the simple fact Lon Milo Duquette comes out and
Speaker 5: emits I'm pretty sure in his book or on a
Speaker 5: podcast that he did that with his tarot deck to
Speaker 5: sell more tarot.
Speaker 1: So many that fucking dude's doing it. Why wouldn't the
Speaker 1: people be doing it with other products?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: Or like if you I think it's like if you
Speaker 6: play him backwards or something, there's like hidden messages.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a whole other thing. Like I know
Speaker 2: the Beatles were experimenting with that. Apparently there's some indication
Speaker 2: that they admit that Paul died.
Speaker 7: Ok, God, they need to admit it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's the whole Stairway to Heaven thing where if you
Speaker 2: play spring Clean for the may Queen backwards, it's something
Speaker 2: about my sweet Satan.
Speaker 7: Oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that stuff you could just
Speaker 2: kind of happen upon. But I mean they were doing
Speaker 2: it well, like Danzig on the on the first album.
Speaker 4: If like the song Possessed, if you play it backwards,
Speaker 4: it's there's a Latin exorcism prayer if you play the
Speaker 4: record backwards, like legit Yeah, the song Possessed, if you
Speaker 4: play it backwards, it's legitimately a Latin exorcism prayer.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, but it actually says words when it's playing.
Speaker 4: It's actually the actual exorcism prayer.
Speaker 2: Okay, does it sound?
Speaker 4: Song is supposed to be like summoning a demon, and
Speaker 4: if you play it backwards, you're you're doing the exorcism prayer. Basically,
Speaker 4: remind me never.
Speaker 7: To download that ship.
Speaker 2: We could go get the vinybl I don't want it.
Speaker 2: So is that misfits or solo stuff.
Speaker 4: It's the first album, the one with Mother and Twisted Cane.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I might have that one.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, but that that's that song is very creepy.
Speaker 4: If you play it backwards, sounds just sounds like it.
Speaker 6: Somebody wrote in the comments that they also watched that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was an interview or what
Speaker 6: it was. It was a recording of that producer who
Speaker 6: said they take the master and they put I guess
Speaker 6: they cast spells on it, is what they said in
Speaker 6: the comments.
Speaker 1: I think I put it up actually earlier.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard it on Instagram, so it must be true, right,
Speaker 6: I hear. I hear all kinds of stuff on Instagram
Speaker 6: these days.
Speaker 1: So do do you think, uh if this well one?
Speaker 1: I actually do agree with some of these people.
Speaker 5: I think, like I wouldn't say act well kind of actors, yeah,
Speaker 5: or I think they're put out there. They might actually
Speaker 5: have somewhat talent and they you know, perform, But I
Speaker 5: think sometimes like their life story and how it ended,
Speaker 5: I think could be fabricated.
Speaker 6: Mean too, yeah, because it's like would they be as
Speaker 6: famous as they are if they didn't die in like
Speaker 6: some tragic way like Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain. I mean Yeah,
Speaker 6: they might, they might still be famous. Oh would you say,
Speaker 6: Mike hen Right, It's like would they be who they
Speaker 6: are if they didn't. It's like part of the deal
Speaker 6: that they.
Speaker 2: Have to die in this horrible way to like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. When we're talking to John Gusty, who she
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, he's worked in like on the production end
Speaker 2: of music, and he says that he's witnessed straight up
Speaker 2: that the artist wants to step away and they're given
Speaker 2: some options like we can fake your death, you can
Speaker 2: be replaced by somebody who looks just like you, or
Speaker 2: you know, you die and you don't get any of
Speaker 2: the royalties.
Speaker 7: But you have to take a different name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I don't know. I think like there's
Speaker 2: some interesting ones. I don't think Morgan Freeman was Jimmy Hendrix,
Speaker 2: but one that I like that within the last couple
Speaker 2: of years Morrison becoming Rush Limbaugh. That one's kind of
Speaker 2: fun because if you I mean, I I do think
Speaker 2: that Bill Hicks is Alex Jones. And I laughed at
Speaker 2: people when I first heard that. It's one of those
Speaker 2: that you're like, fuck off, because I love both of them.
Speaker 2: I did, like right around the early two thousands and
Speaker 2: Bill hicks Man Forever. But I do think that they
Speaker 2: do really do stuff like that, So yeah, who knows
Speaker 2: what really happens, and maybe some of them do get
Speaker 2: killed because they don't want to play.
Speaker 6: Well, if you had to put a percentage on it,
Speaker 6: like how many of these people actually die? Are you
Speaker 6: going to say like ten percent, fifty percent die and
Speaker 6: fifty percent get repurposed. Sure, so you're saying, so you're
Speaker 6: telling me there's a chance that Janice is still alive.
Speaker 2: Probably not now, I love Janie, she lived rough.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that whole like deciding that you're done and you
Speaker 9: have whatever. I think it plays into the whole Plus
Speaker 9: Ultra Hyperspace never Land persona. And you'll you all have
Speaker 9: heard of.
Speaker 6: That right kinda?
Speaker 7: I mean not really, not to the degree you probably do.
Speaker 8: You know, like that movie Finding Neverland.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, mh.
Speaker 9: And it was like leaving this dimension or this realm
Speaker 9: and going to another realm. And that's kind of one
Speaker 9: of the I guess the founding things that there was
Speaker 9: a society called Plus Ultra that Nikola Tesla, Walt Disney,
Speaker 9: all these people belonged to, and they believe that once
Speaker 9: they were done here, they they merited enough to leave
Speaker 9: and go into another hyperspace. So you think they're they're
Speaker 9: actually it's thought kind of like Atlas Shrugged almost.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you think like they're dead or you think
Speaker 6: they're they're repurposed, or like what do you think?
Speaker 8: I think?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think it depends.
Speaker 9: It depends if they can make enough money off of
Speaker 9: them already, just as is, they'll they'll kill them off,
Speaker 9: you know, because they don't need them, or if they
Speaker 9: are some like family blood tie, then they have an
Speaker 9: option to kind of get repurposed or reabsorbed into a
Speaker 9: different thing. I think it just depends money and blood
Speaker 9: always talk.
Speaker 6: Right, right, because it's like we were saying earlier, like
Speaker 6: with like Crosby and some of these guys whose family
Speaker 6: trees go all the way back to the beginning of time.
Speaker 6: You know, if they were going to fake a suicide
Speaker 6: on him, they'd probably give him the option of like
Speaker 6: just becoming a different person or some shit. But Janis
Speaker 6: was just a drugged out crackhead, and so she you know,
Speaker 6: she probably didn't get that lug or they brought killed
Speaker 6: her as I.
Speaker 4: Got a question for you. Then, Okay, so if they
Speaker 4: just kill Yeah, So if they just kill them, all right,
Speaker 4: and then like give him a new identity or whatever, Right,
Speaker 4: why not just kill off Paul McCartney, replace him with
Speaker 4: a completely new member and make him like a complete
Speaker 4: huge legend instead of, you know, supposedly replacing him with
Speaker 4: a lookalike. And he died in a car accident everything,
Speaker 4: why cover up him? But then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: like uh, James Droplin.
Speaker 6: Before I answered the question, can I ask you if you.
Speaker 7: Think he was replaced?
Speaker 4: I think he was replaced.
Speaker 6: I think he was replaced too. And to answer your question,
Speaker 6: I have no fucking idea.
Speaker 2: Well, that one is because if I had to think
Speaker 2: about it, you would say, like the Beatles had, there
Speaker 2: was so much stock in them at that point. And
Speaker 2: I mean, if they had this bizarre accident where it
Speaker 2: wasn't you know, it wasn't anything they planned and they
Speaker 2: wanted to keep that gravy train rolling, And if they
Speaker 2: really did replace him, I think they did. That's another
Speaker 2: one that I kind of scoffed at in the beginning. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean, shit, the guy's like for it, just taller.
Speaker 6: He's taller, and he's a way better musician.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is they found somebody who actually
Speaker 2: was the best musician in the band all said and done. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, you listened to some of the Beatles' early
Speaker 2: stuff and Paul McCartney's baselines are okay, and he went
Speaker 2: he went from being the smiley, bubbly one you know
Speaker 2: him and Ringo up there, and he completely changed. He
Speaker 2: doesn't look the same. But yeah, I think that each
Speaker 2: situation would be unique. Like if they're the one who
Speaker 2: choose to do the replacing and killing, it seems like
Speaker 2: that one was just kind of out of their control.
Speaker 4: Well like for like Morrison, right, so for your argument,
Speaker 4: like nobody ever saw his body, right, nobody of the
Speaker 4: band members. Nobody ever technically saw his body. And some
Speaker 4: of the band members even found that kind of odd,
Speaker 4: like I can't I think it was the keyboard player.
Speaker 4: I think he was like, well, how do I know
Speaker 4: he really died? We haven't even seen him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, And who else was it that they? Oh,
Speaker 6: like Elvis, They said there was weird stuff about like
Speaker 6: his corpse quote unquote was like melting in the casket
Speaker 6: or some shit like that. Like they were like, since
Speaker 6: Whendy dead body sweat there is just weird stuff, you know,
Speaker 6: So I just don't. That was a really good example though,
Speaker 6: like why would they replace Paul McCartney if they could just.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I think my thing is like, but
Speaker 4: if he dies tragically, look at how legendary that is, like,
Speaker 4: but it makes so much better, right.
Speaker 2: Well they save that for Lennon?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 4: They care you go, you're right, there, you go, there
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 7: They gave Georgia cancer death.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think John Lennon could be one
Speaker 2: of those that's not really gay.
Speaker 7: To ring go out because he's a fucking useless ass.
Speaker 2: He had to be on Thomas the train.
Speaker 1: That was part of his script.
Speaker 6: Lisa, were you going to say something a minute ago
Speaker 6: about this? No?
Speaker 10: I was.
Speaker 9: I was going to say something about like it wouldn't
Speaker 9: isn't it weird? How like with Paul McCartney, he ends
Speaker 9: up owning all this music?
Speaker 3: What is it like?
Speaker 9: He owns all of Frank Sinatra's music, all of the
Speaker 9: Beatles music.
Speaker 1: He was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Jackson, he was they actually helped falling out over some
Speaker 2: of that stuff.
Speaker 9: And apparently that he died shortly after right that, I
Speaker 9: guess the claim was that Michael Jackson had gone bankrupt
Speaker 9: and that Paul had offered to buy his music back
Speaker 9: or something, because I think Paul used to.
Speaker 8: Own all of Michael Jackson's right, Yeah, I remember incorrectly.
Speaker 2: Well, Michael Jackson bought some cocoono I think, and he
Speaker 2: ended up having the majority at some point, and I
Speaker 2: know that's when he sold it to the Paloss shoes
Speaker 2: commercial and Paul McCartney was like, the song's about revolution,
Speaker 2: it's not about selling shoes. And they you know, they
Speaker 2: did a song together. They were supposed to be Buddy
Speaker 2: Buddy and then but yeah, near the end of Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson's life, what what he was Apple Music. It was
Speaker 2: one of the big ones.
Speaker 8: Because everybody hates Sony like even.
Speaker 4: And then he sold it to Apple. Oh, he sold
Speaker 4: the entire catalog to Apple.
Speaker 2: And that's when it became such a big deal that
Speaker 2: you could get Beatles on iTunes. I remember when that happened.
Speaker 4: And that has now happened to Pink Floyd. I believe
Speaker 4: Google bought Pink Floyd or Apple bought Pink Floyd. Now
Speaker 4: they sold her name, catalog and everything and and look alike.
Speaker 4: So even probably AI and everything.
Speaker 8: Paul McCartney also owns Buddy how Lee's music.
Speaker 7: Oh does he Well that makes a ton of But.
Speaker 9: My whole point is that it's amazing how he comes
Speaker 9: into the situation of owning all of this music.
Speaker 8: You know what I mean if he was like a
Speaker 8: faux member of the band.
Speaker 9: Well not really because he became a better musician, but
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, Like, it's so weird how
Speaker 9: he somehow positions himself to profit off of so much,
Speaker 9: you know, not being an original member.
Speaker 4: Have you got from the Super Bowl yesterday with Adam Sandler?
Speaker 4: He was sitting next to Adam Sandler and they're all
Speaker 4: like pointing to each other and everything.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, what so what was the thing about? Like, uh,
Speaker 6: do you guys know who Jay Widner is. He does
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff about like the Shining and like
Speaker 6: Quebrick and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Nick just had writer Leon They made that
Speaker 2: movie together, right.
Speaker 6: So Jay Widner has talked extensively about how they replaced Paul,
Speaker 6: and like, I guess if you talk to this new
Speaker 6: Paul about it, like he gets all you know, weird
Speaker 6: and shit and like won't even bring it up, won't
Speaker 6: discuss it.
Speaker 7: Won't talk about it.
Speaker 6: I mean, the guy I like the Wings too, you know,
Speaker 6: and he didn't he like write a bunch of music
Speaker 6: for Ringo and shit after they split up. Okay, well,
Speaker 6: I'm just saying he was. Whoever replaced him was a
Speaker 6: great was a really great musician. Yeah, so what he
Speaker 6: married a chick with no legs. But I mean, I
Speaker 6: think he's a cool guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always thought there was a real
Speaker 2: darkness to Paul myself. He's the Walrus, He's I don't
Speaker 2: think he's a good dude at all.
Speaker 3: Knighted by the Queen of England herself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. That is true.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna probably wrap it up here. Actually,
Speaker 5: if you guys, it's almost close to two hours. Thought
Speaker 5: that was good. Thank you very much, Julian and Colby.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate that. I had a really good time,
Speaker 5: like I expected, had a lot of good laughs. Mike Thrash,
Speaker 5: appreciate it. Love when you guys are on and I
Speaker 5: knew this was a topic that you'd both be into. Lisa,
Speaker 5: thank you very much. As usual, always appreciate your input.
Speaker 1: Kolby will go with you. First, let everybody know where
Speaker 1: they can find your amazing stuff.
Speaker 2: Please, Conspiracy, play time and disinformation. You can find those
Speaker 2: where you find them. I'm pretty much everywhere with the
Speaker 2: first one. Second ones harder to find, but we do
Speaker 2: do that one more often, and it's more of like
Speaker 2: political satire shit talking, and it's it's you know, we
Speaker 2: do sprinkle conspiracy in there because it's Dusty and I
Speaker 2: and Julie and I are going to be doing a
Speaker 2: show together. I'd say next month or two we'll start
Speaker 2: seeing the kill room, where we're going to talk about,
Speaker 2: probably stuff we don't really talk about on our own shows,
Speaker 2: but where we kind of we we agree about a lot,
Speaker 2: but we disagree about it.
Speaker 6: We disagree a lot.
Speaker 2: Not to kill each other doing it.
Speaker 7: I have a sharpened blade to his throat.
Speaker 6: Say what I think.
Speaker 1: That's great, Say what I think?
Speaker 6: And you, Julia, Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcast
Speaker 6: Cosmic Peach and I'm also on the Cult of Conspiracy
Speaker 6: podcast every Saturday.
Speaker 1: Very nice, very How does that work? Is it just
Speaker 1: you and you and them or just just you?
Speaker 4: No, it's just me.
Speaker 6: It's just one day a week that they let me
Speaker 6: post a show about whatever it is that I'm interested
Speaker 6: in at the time. I do like some mini series
Speaker 6: for them, and Coolby was on the last one that
Speaker 6: I did. It's called Blood Ties and it's about some
Speaker 6: program to kill stuff and he drops his amazing Jack
Speaker 6: Nicholson ted Bundy theory in that in that show.
Speaker 2: But most people think it's bullshit, But I don't care.
Speaker 6: It's all right, honey. You can believe whatever you want
Speaker 6: to believe. But yeah, so you can find me on
Speaker 6: the Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday or Apple wherever, Spotify
Speaker 6: for Cosmic Peach for my normal stuff. But thank you
Speaker 6: for having me again, of course.
Speaker 5: No, that was great chat. Love it as usual, And
Speaker 5: that was a great talk. A lot of good things,
Speaker 5: you know, talked about a lot of interesting people. Uh yeah,
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