WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What What's gonna happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:12.880 I think. 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 5 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:28.600 Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode, I got the 6 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:32.039 occult reject Mada scientist Lisa joining me. I got Mike, 7 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:37.640 and I got my boy Thrash. And tonight very special guests. Uh, 8 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:40.079 you know one hasn't been on in a while. We 9 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.039 got my man Colby back. It's been a hot minute. 10 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.240 I always love having them on. Always had good chats, 11 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:48.719 always had a lot of laughs. And back by popular demand. 12 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:52.359 We've got Julia joining us again tonight Cosmic Peach, and 13 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.280 tonight we will be talking about a topic that interests 14 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:59.920 all of us. You're very much Laurel Canyon, real quick, 15 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.200 I guess so, Mike and Thrash. You don't even actually 16 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:05.400 have anything to plug my bad all right, so Kolby, 17 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:08.400 we'll go with you real quick. Koby, you want to 18 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:10.519 let everybody know like what your deal is and everything, 19 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:12.040 and like where they can find some of your stuff. 20 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:17.280 Sure, I do conspiracy play time, which is pretty sporadic 21 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:20.439 these days. That's anywhere you're lucky if you can find 22 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:25.000 it on YouTube sometimes. But Disinfobation is the weekly shit 23 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.599 talking show I'd do with my buddy Dusty, and that 24 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:31.400 one's bi weekly, and that one you can find everywhere 25 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:32.519 but Apple and YouTube. 26 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:35.359 AWESO mean I think I have your website in the 27 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:36.319 description already. 28 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:37.120 That's good enough. 29 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:38.239 Oh I need to update this. 30 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:40.480 Okay, my bad. I'll let the other links in if 31 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:44.000 you want after the show. And Julia, just in case 32 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.120 people here joining us don't happen to know who you 33 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.239 are yet, can you please let everybody know what your 34 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:48.640 deal is? 35 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.599 Yeah? I think I'm becoming better known on your show, 36 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.799 just for how many F bombs I drop every couple 37 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:02.879 of words. But I'm Julia fuck Cosmic Beach, and I'm 38 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:08.199 everywhere besides fucking YouTube. And I'm really happy to be 39 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.599 here tonight talking about the Laurel Canyon because, like you said, 40 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.360 it's one of my favorite topics by far, and Colby's 41 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.800 as well, and I can't wait to get into it. 42 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.000 Do you monetize on YouTube? Because she just really screwed 43 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:23.520 that up for you. 44 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:24.039 Sorry? 45 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.560 Oh sorry, They have like a ten minute. 46 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.680 Rule or something what every ten minutes, No. 47 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.560 Like the first ten minutes, any profanity you get demountitored. 48 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.439 Oh, I have no idea. I'm sure, I've screwed that 49 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:36.439 up myself already. 50 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:37.520 My fucking bad. 51 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:38.840 Yeah. 52 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.159 No, we're good. We're good. I'm not really worried about 53 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.960 YouTube anyway. So if it happens, it happens. Uh, you 54 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:48.560 know what, we'll go around the well, we'll go with you. 55 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.560 Kolby, what was it that got you like really into 56 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:52.280 a Laurel Canyon, because I know you've been into that 57 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:53.520 for a long time as well. 58 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:57.199 Yeah, I mean it was kind of like the revitalization 59 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.800 of like psyop conspiracy theory for me. I was really 60 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:03.879 into that when I was younger, And I remember I 61 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.719 was picking up a friend in Portland and he had 62 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.879 just seen Dave Matthews live at the Gorge and he 63 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.159 was on acid, and he told me a story about 64 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:15.800 how bad his trip was because he just realized that 65 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.599 he was at like a cult ritual and Dave was 66 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.000 leading it, and he wasn't even a Dave Matthews man, 67 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.680 but he said the whole time he just felt like 68 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.319 he's witnessing sacrifices and stuff. And then I heard Jaye 69 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:34.919 Dyer like that year talking about this book that McGowan wrote, 70 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.919 Weird Scenes, and I read that with that story in mind, 71 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.479 and just like how these performers were casting spells, and 72 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.280 then he just lays it all up for you, like 73 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:48.080 the structure of the whole thing and how they pulled 74 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.120 it off. And I mean it was very sloppy in 75 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.080 a lot of ways, so so many decades later it 76 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:55.919 was easy to kind of piece it all together. So 77 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:58.479 I like conspiracy theories that blow your mind but are 78 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:01.800 also like trace and you can actually tie it all together. 79 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.400 Do you research on top of other people's research, And 80 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.800 I mean Julie has done a good job of that, but. 81 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:10.319 We both love the music too. 82 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.719 Yeah, And that's the thing is, I almost think it's 83 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.439 cooler the way that it really happened. It's like more 84 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:20.040 mysterious than like, oh, a bunch of fucking stoned hippies 85 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:22.920 just made some good music, and then when you see 86 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:25.279 what was really going on there, it's it's a way 87 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:26.360 more intriguing story. 88 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.120 But I love CIA music. It's like the best shit 89 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.439 out there. I grew up on Laurel Canyon music. It's 90 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:36.120 my favorite fucking music. Seat there I go again. Sorry, 91 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:42.920 And I actually when I read Strange Strange scenes, and 92 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:45.279 then I went over to his blog and he has 93 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:50.480 a great website. It's called an Uninformed American or something 94 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:54.120 like that or I can't remember what it is. Yeah, 95 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:56.600 but he has a blog and you can go on there, 96 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.480 and like he has a bunch of different topics, but 97 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.279 Laurel Canyon is one of the on there, and he 98 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.800 has like pictures and it's kind of easier to read 99 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.160 than the book because he just kind of does like 100 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:11.839 cliffs notes on the blog. And so I by the 101 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.360 time I got done reading the book and then reading 102 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.319 the blog, my mind was blown. But it was, like 103 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.360 Colby said, I was like thinking to myself, this makes 104 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:25.879 it almost cooler in a way because they're all military 105 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.399 and they all like kind of grew up together at 106 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:34.439 these military bases and shit. And Jim Morrison's dad started 107 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.519 to fucking Vietnam War and shit, like that's a way 108 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:45.600 better story. Log Cabin. Somebody just wrote a comment about 109 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.879 the log Cabin. That's also interesting to me because who 110 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.040 is a Jared Leto owns it? Now? No? 111 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.240 I think he got Lookout Mountain Studios. 112 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:53.759 Oh he got? 113 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:54.680 Is that what he got? 114 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:55.040 Okay? 115 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.759 Is anybody in here now? Because we argue about that? 116 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.279 Okay, yeah, yeah, No, it's a don't got Lookout Mountain. 117 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:01.720 Yeah. 118 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:06.000 Okay, well I'm pretty sure somebody did you guys see 119 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:07.399 that comment earlier. 120 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:10.879 About the log cabin about Vince Neil. 121 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:14.000 Oh yeah, plane crash. Yeah. I don't know if that's 122 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:14.319 true or not. 123 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.399 It's said that it's a head on collision. I just 124 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:19.800 looked it up, like in the air there's a collision 125 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.680 in the airlane. 126 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:23.759 Another plane. 127 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:27.040 Oh yeah, another one that I know crashed before the podcast, 128 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:28.759 Like I was, oh my god. 129 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.279 Yeah, yeah, we're not supposed to be flying everybody, dude. 130 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:36.920 I'm not flying fucking anywhere there. They're gonna know and 131 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:38.120 they're gonna kill us. 132 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:40.920 So the website just really quickly. 133 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.759 Julia was a Center for an Informed America. 134 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.519 Yeah, there you go, There you go. So on that 135 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:53.240 website he's got stuff on like Abraham Lincoln. He's got 136 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.680 stuff about the fake Moon landing. He's got stuff about 137 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:03.040 Laurel Canyon obviously, and the Boston Marathon bombings. So it's 138 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.639 just a really cool place you can go to check 139 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.759 out a lot of his work. He doesn't actually have 140 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.639 a blog about Program to Kill though, which surprises me 141 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:14.680 because that's like one of my favorite books of all time. 142 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.680 But something that we were kind of mentioning before we 143 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:23.800 started recording. Is actually how Programmed to Kill and Laurel 144 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.879 Canyon kind of dovetail each other because serial killers and 145 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.040 the counterculture movement kind of run hand in hand with 146 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:36.759 each other and one of those things. And I don't 147 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:41.480 want to like jump too far ahead, but it's Charles Manson, obviously, 148 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:49.560 who is a musician slash MK, ultra slash CIA, slash 149 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:51.240 am I missing anything. 150 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:52.600 Just a cool all around guy. 151 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:59.759 Really, Yeah, my hero actor, right, actor, very versatile, diverse. 152 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.000 Yeah, it's the first portfolio. 153 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:03.199 There you go. 154 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:06.079 Did you guys read Chaos? 155 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:06.959 No? 156 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:08.199 I did not know. 157 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:10.839 Go ahead, honey, this is yours time to shine. 158 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:11.240 No. 159 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.399 I just I think it's kind of coming out lately 160 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:17.600 that that guy's a gatekeeper of sorts, and I'm busy. 161 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:20.319 I'm extremely disappointed by that. But I also I'm not 162 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:25.120 surprised because he said just enough to let everybody tie 163 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.160 the pieces together. Like with the Jolly West Tate Ashbury 164 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.600 Free Sex Clinic thing, he would just show you and 165 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:32.919 then you would be the one to go. Oh, so 166 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.600 Charles Manson knew Jolly West maybe, But see, I don't know. 167 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.480 He's making a Netflix series of it. A guy I 168 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.799 liked interview on my podcast told me that last time 169 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:42.879 I talked to him, and I mean. 170 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:44.440 He's making a Netflix series. 171 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:45.080 That's what I got. 172 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:46.720 It's going to be fucking dog shit. 173 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:49.320 Well we'll see, but I mean, I think. 174 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:53.279 Who's making the search was making the Netflix sers. 175 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.639 Netflix is doing the adaptation of the book. From what 176 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:58.279 I understand, I don't. 177 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.399 Want to see it, but we'll have to write to verify. 178 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:03.919 I mean, at least started okay. 179 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.399 But you saw what they did with Waco. They just 180 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:07.440 fuck everything up. 181 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.960 See, I've been saying, like that whole title alone, chaos 182 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.519 is just added chaos to the case, and it just 183 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:19.480 made it more convoluted. I get there's a lot of 184 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.759 interesting stuff that came out, like you said, but it 185 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.559 just made it even more confusion. You had to go 186 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:29.320 all the way back to the beginning again and then yeah, 187 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.720 it's literal chaos. And then he's coming out with the 188 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:34.600 second one, which is going to be even now I 189 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:37.000 don't even know that the new Sam's coming out. 190 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.200 I think the most valuable part of that book for 191 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:44.200 me was how he tore apart Bogliosi's narrative because a 192 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.200 lot of people take that face value, and there was 193 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.639 there's nothing real in Helter Skelter, the whole theory he 194 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.399 lays out. In my opinion, I. 195 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.960 Don't think it was. There was anything to that at all. 196 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:57.320 Yeah. 197 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.679 And the fact that it shows that he was arrested 198 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:04.320 on parole so many times and release does I mean 199 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.039 it shows you that he was being let out, He's 200 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.080 being watched. There's no way you get charges like that 201 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.600 on parole, especially back then you're back in. 202 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:14.360 That's it. 203 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.320 You had, Like he had good interesting points in the book, 204 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.039 like about like the parole officer and how the parole 205 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.039 officer was like kept helping him and helping him and 206 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.879 helping the kids and even helped Yeah, very odd for sure. 207 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.879 And then the which I forget, which beach boy it 208 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:34.799 is that died? 209 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.519 Oh Dennis, Dennis are you sure? 210 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.960 Yeah, he's on that dope for his car keys and 211 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.039 kept swimming down to grab him until he died. 212 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.480 Yeah, because he said he was going to write a book, 213 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.960 right and he was going to say what was really 214 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:50.080 going on with Manson. 215 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.799 I'd like to have a conversation with Neil Young about 216 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.840 Charles Manson. If if there's someone left alive because he 217 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:56.519 was all about it. 218 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.879 Neil Young sucked his dick hole though. 219 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:04.519 That guy, that's an interesting feat to pull off. He 220 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:05.320 was doing it. 221 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.720 He loved him. He would say like, oh, he's so talented, 222 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:13.600 look at it. Check this guy out. So, I mean, 223 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.840 if he would be honest about it, yeah, I doubt 224 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:20.679 he would see. He was also a vaccine pusher, saying 225 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:22.360 he was going to take a ship off Spotify. 226 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:27.960 And the creepy Carpus is the one that supposedly taught 227 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:33.919 manson guitar in prison. The mob guy, they were like 228 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.000 swis and stuff. 229 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:40.320 So yeah, the Beach Boys actually stole some of his ship. 230 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.639 And its kind of all right. 231 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.679 I think I think it would have been better than 232 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:48.759 a lot of the people that he was hanging out with. 233 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:50.600 Oh yeah, I mean it was. It would have been 234 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.679 more like velvet underground type ship. 235 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:56.720 Kind of has a good voice and everything. 236 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.639 And the Beach Boys and all them they have studio musicians. Anyways, 237 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:03.639 it was if you had it was of all about 238 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.240 the charisma anyways. I mean the Birds and all those 239 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.879 bands could barely even play the instruments. 240 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:11.559 Oh yeah, direct crew. 241 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.960 Yeah, and I mean I think they all learned along 242 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.799 the way. I think that's where the doors stand out. 243 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.879 And I think whether that music was written by them 244 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.000 or not, they actually played it. They played it in 245 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.919 the studio. They'd bring in a bass player. Ray Manzeric 246 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.240 was probably one of the most talented musicians of that era. 247 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:32.399 There was an instance in Amsterdam where Morrison was so 248 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:34.720 fucked up that he passed out before the show. He 249 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:37.639 wandered on to the stage when Jefferson Airplane was playing 250 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:40.480 and fucked up their set. Then he passed out. This 251 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:44.440 was probably all an act, but ray man Zak played 252 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:46.759 bass with his left hand, played the keys with his 253 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:49.720 right hand and saying just as good as Morrison and 254 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.480 took it did the entire set. So those guys were 255 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:57.799 a good musicians. No, that's Manseric. He wrote a lot 256 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.360 of or not Manzeric, Robbi Kreeger, he wrote most of 257 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:01.360 their radio hits. 258 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:02.840 I really love that one. 259 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.720 Well, sometimes they would like they'd like go into they 260 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:10.559 would have to like almost improvise with Jim Morrison because 261 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.679 he would go in like trances and he would take 262 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:15.960 like a two to three minute song and turn it 263 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.799 into like twenty minutes, and he for his age. It's 264 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.879 odd just the words and the stuff that he's saying 265 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.559 and talking about when you listen to the live performances. 266 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.519 Like, well, you know, a lot of bands back then, 267 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:32.240 Grateful Dead did that with their space and their drums. 268 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:34.440 You had a lot of jam bands that really kind 269 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:36.000 of was you doing with the Doors. 270 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:37.200 The Doors were kind of like. 271 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.399 A jazzy jazzy jam band when they were alive. 272 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:44.120 Yeah, and I do think that going to do, especially 273 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:45.000 in the later years. 274 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:49.320 But I happened to think Morrison was acting the whole 275 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.279 time and did really become a fucking bloated drunk because 276 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.399 of what he was doing to America's youth. I mean, 277 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:55.919 he'd scream at the crowd. 278 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:00.320 You're all a bunch of slaves fuckers. 279 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.600 One of the one of the things that we had, 280 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:06.360 Nick and I had done a dive into Empedocles, which 281 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.440 was an ancient philosopher, and one of the things that 282 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.120 comes out of there is the discovery of I am 283 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:17.639 a hexameter or hexameter. It's a type of poetry that 284 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:21.279 it's like a six stanza type thing, and back in 285 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:26.320 the day, only oracles from Delphi spoke in hexameter, and 286 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.840 that if it didn't happen in hexameter, then it was 287 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:32.679 considered not to be authentic to have been divinated from 288 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.519 the oracle. So one of the things when we're looking 289 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.440 at hexameter just as a quick reference, they said that 290 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.960 Jim Morrison wrote his songs in hexameter. 291 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:43.799 Yeah, and who was teaching him do this shit? 292 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:48.519 That's also mentioned in American four story season covin which 293 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:49.879 I keep trying to tell y'all. 294 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.159 Asshole, we had a guy on We had a guy 295 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.559 on a whole wild that covered Jim Morrison and he 296 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.159 went into some stuff where you like he said he 297 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:01.279 was like very young agent, like went to some specific library. 298 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.240 Oh oh oh oh yeah, yeah. 299 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:06.720 I'm not exactly sure where it was. It might have 300 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:08.960 been in Washington where he went to some like specific 301 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:10.879 library as like a very young kid to take out 302 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.279 some book that was like a pretty much like occult stuff. 303 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.039 And then we were like, how did you know? 304 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:15.600 Then? 305 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.440 Yeah, have the internet to tell you that the book 306 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:18.879 was there. 307 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.159 So they said that, like, his dad was stationed in 308 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:25.039 LA and they made the trip to Washington when he 309 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:30.159 got transferred, and on the way to DC, they stopped 310 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:34.759 at an area in North New Mexico and Morrison claims 311 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:37.240 at the age of three years old, he felt that 312 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.120 the spirits of the native people who had passed away 313 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.960 on an accident that had happened at Los Alamos Laboratory 314 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:50.240 entered him and never left. And I had asked Paul, 315 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.600 I was like, did he stop at Los Alamos? Was 316 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:54.399 his dad affiliated with Los Almos? 317 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:54.720 Why? 318 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:56.320 That's pretty damn specific. 319 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.799 And I do know that Los Alamo's laboratory, they did 320 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.519 you use Native hands to build the stuff, And so 321 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:06.440 it would almost beg the question in passing, did they, 322 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:09.440 you know, stop and Courier, I don't know whatever, And 323 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.960 so he did make a stop there. And we do 324 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:16.120 have significant people that went to Los Alamo's Ranch school, 325 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.639 like Williams. Burrows and some other people with that ended 326 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:24.399 up becoming huge prominent figures later in society for them 327 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.799 to stop there. But what Nick was saying when they 328 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.080 got to DC and he was going to school there, 329 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:33.000 they said that he really wasn't interested in what regular 330 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:35.240 kids were interested. He was always at the library, and 331 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.279 that he went to the library Congress Library, Library. 332 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.080 Of Congress, and that he asked. 333 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:45.600 Specifically for a demonology book, and like the specific one 334 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.840 that was written and Nick and I were saying that 335 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:49.679 even when we did a deep dive into some of 336 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:53.720 these grim wars, to know where these grimmores are, you 337 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.399 have to like really search and find out where it's 338 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.480 being housed. The fact that he knew that that specific 339 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:04.160 book was at the Library of Congress and asked for 340 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:08.759 it and studied it, to me, indicates that somebody was involved, 341 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.680 either in grooming or letting him know about this stuff. 342 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.079 But at a very young age he was going to 343 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.680 the library and reading this stuff and wanted what an 344 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:22.039 Encyclopedia Britannica or something at the age of something for 345 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.680 his birthday. It was very odd, very very odd. 346 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:31.920 Do you think that there's like ritualism involved, and like 347 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.920 the CIA part is like separate or. 348 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.839 Well to tie to tie in the books and the LSD. 349 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:45.440 When it was the year before Morrison was joining the doors, 350 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:51.519 he actually had a storage unit and he only had 351 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:55.359 his books in the storage unit, and he literally lived 352 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.640 on the roof and ate oranges from the orange tree 353 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.319 and supposed tripped acid every single day on that roof, 354 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.680 and he he supposedly would see his mom in the 355 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:13.039 moon every time he would trip. And he had almost 356 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:17.640 like a sexual fantasy for his mom and he almost 357 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:19.480 had like a hatred for his dad. 358 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.720 Yeah, the lyrics of the end, I mean, and they 359 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.480 touched on that pretty pretty well in the dolliver Stone 360 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.799 movie and also what Lisa was talking about with the 361 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:35.920 Indian stuff that's in the Doors movie. Morrison also mentions 362 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:41.160 it in The American Prayer the Live Poetry album, and 363 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.799 he claimed it was a car crash, but the way 364 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.240 Lisa's talking about it is more intriguing to me. I've 365 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:47.440 never gotten Yeah, I've never. 366 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:48.640 Heard about that before. 367 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:50.559 But do you feel like it's do you feel like 368 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.200 did ant aspect of this? And I'm dis playing Devil's 369 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.920 advocate because we weren't there, but we do know who 370 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:59.559 his father was, and we do know about the Laurel 371 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.440 can and what they were pulling on us to Like, 372 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.880 sometimes I hear some of this stuff about musicians and 373 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.720 I'm like, God, only fucking knows if any of this 374 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:10.720 is true or it just made up bullshit to make 375 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:14.039 this person seem more interesting, because it's like they have 376 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.599 to have a character backstory to make this movie work 377 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.279 and to make them interesting. And I don't think he's dead. 378 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:23.799 I don't think he's part of the twenty seven club 379 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:26.680 for real, I don't think. And it's like the Manson murders. 380 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.079 You've got me convinced that they probably didn't even happen. 381 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:31.720 So I think some of this stuff just it's like 382 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:36.119 to sensationalize the character of Jim Morrison. But I almost 383 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:41.240 wonder if everything we hear about these celebrities, musicians, whatever, 384 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.480 especially coming out of the Laurel Canyon, especially someone whose 385 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.079 dad literally started the Vietnam War and he never talked 386 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.640 about that. For somebody was so anti war and so 387 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:54.759 fucking counterculture, he never talked about that shit. So I mean, 388 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.839 I don't know how much. And it's not to discount 389 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:01.440 anything that anybody's researched. It could be true, But I 390 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:04.119 just don't know if he's as interesting as they make 391 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:06.960 him out to be for real, because we were talking 392 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:10.240 about it, and I think a more interesting story would 393 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:14.160 be who he really was, like his dad's you know, 394 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.160 in all this his connections, and that's more interesting than 395 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.559 like tripping acid and wanting to fuck your mom and 396 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:24.640 eating oranges. In my opinion, well, a lot of that. 397 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.759 Stuff could be true. Like I don't think we need 398 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:29.519 to throw the baby out with the bathwater in his 399 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.599 past because he was gifted. 400 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:36.599 He was You don't think it's sensationalized, of course it is. 401 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.119 I mean, I love Slash hate the Doors movie the 402 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.960 Oliver Stone made. I think it's a great movie, but 403 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.440 maybe twenty five percent of it's even slightly true. 404 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.319 One thing I did think was weird. And you know, 405 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.880 me and Lisa, I think she had agreed with me. 406 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.000 I'm not saying like, I didn't make me think the 407 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:58.680 story is false per se. Maybe just stuff missing. But 408 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.720 my opinion, a three year old coming out and saying 409 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.640 a lot of that stuff or remembering that stuff from 410 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.319 three years old is like a little like, really you 411 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.160 really remember that much detail that you were going through 412 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:11.440 Los Alismo three years oldly? 413 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:12.519 Right? 414 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:15.880 Or maybe somebody told him that. 415 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.440 No, no, no, but just the whole fact of Los Alamo's 416 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.759 Ranch itself in and of itself was a huge deal 417 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:28.720 in terms of a connection like the guy who started 418 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.240 Los Alamo's school ranch school before Oppenheimer got there. Because 419 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.000 Oppenheimer kind of kicked it all off with Los Alamos. They, 420 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.160 I mean, all the credit goes to him in terms of, 421 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:39.680 you know, the building and the construction and the upbringing 422 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.759 and all that other stuff. But initially the Ranch School 423 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:46.200 where William S. Burrows was going, where Edward T. Hall, 424 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.880 Roy Chapman, all these guys, Colegate guy were all there. 425 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:55.319 The main guy who started it, he was at Stanford 426 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.519 and there were I believe he had some sort of 427 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:02.279 tie to you know, psychology and all that other stuff, 428 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:05.839 which we know that Stanford Psychology department. You see Essling 429 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.920 kind of you know, blooming off of that. So to me, 430 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:12.759 I feel like it's significant that they would make a 431 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:15.799 trip there first and foremost. The other thing that I 432 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:17.960 wanted to say is that Paul had mentioned in our 433 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.519 interview with him that Morrison was constantly getting in trouble, 434 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:24.960 like he was constantly getting in trouble with the law, 435 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.559 whether it was state police, local police, it was constant, 436 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.200 whether it was hotels, whether it was drunk, whatever it was, 437 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:35.079 and that I think somebody had had it. I don't know, 438 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:37.640 it's like federal or something, and they wanted to pick 439 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.759 him up and take him in. Why that would be 440 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:45.480 a big deal is that the dad, his dad apparently 441 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.279 there was a letter that was written that the dad 442 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:54.839 actually was wanting to submit his career or his title 443 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:58.920 in exchange for letting Morrison go. And I'm like, okay, 444 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.559 if it's local law enforcement or state enforcement, that would 445 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.480 mean nothing, like, Hey, I'm a rear admiral, here's my 446 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:09.079 title to I don't know, State of Texas. Nobody cares. 447 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.240 But why would it? Why would that letter come to me? 448 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:16.400 I think is because he's submitting it to the federal level. 449 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:19.559 And why is the federal level getting involved in what 450 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:23.880 you know, disturbances? Morrison is causing it some of these concerts, 451 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:29.559 I think, well, that's something that there's meat on that 452 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:30.359 bone for sure. 453 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:34.680 I think is he one of your favorites from the 454 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:35.839 Laurel Canyon. 455 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:37.599 Hm? 456 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:39.279 Not not particularly. 457 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.079 I mean yes, but I think there's some other ones 458 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:46.359 that I really Eric Clapton was good, but I really 459 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:51.480 like the females, the like Jodie Mitchell that really kind 460 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.880 of like fades away into the you know, the linlight 461 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.759 or whatever, more dark and twisty. 462 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:01.599 Do you like like the Mamas and the Papas or anything. 463 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:03.559 I did like them. I did like them. 464 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.240 I like their music, But I think the story of 465 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.200 like with Joni Mitchell, I think was very interesting, how 466 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.680 she shows up and everybody's completely floored and fascinated by her. 467 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.759 That Eric Clapton, you know, take his eyes off of 468 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.359 her because of her voice. And the thing is that 469 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:22.279 Joni Mitchell was brought over from Florida, and they all 470 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:25.400 knew each other, every single one of the people that 471 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.079 lived in Laurel Canyon. That was another thing when we 472 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:32.200 talked to I think Vt. Wallace, is that they all 473 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.480 knew each other. Their fathers all worked together in DC 474 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.079 or in some sort of capacity with the OSS or 475 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:42.680 with some sort of intelligentsia with the US. I think 476 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:44.839 in Florida there was a couple of them that knew 477 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:46.599 each other. I don't remember off the top of my 478 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.559 head exactly why, but they all knew each other. So 479 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.880 when they got there, it's like, you know, like a 480 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.839 bunch of kids that grew up in Martha's vineyard, you know, 481 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.680 taking up residence I don't know, in Martha, Texas or something. 482 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:00.000 That's kind of how. 483 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:05.000 And a lot of those guys were on strange trips 484 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:10.720 as young people, traveling around Urgin a lot of different places, 485 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.279 traveling around, and then they all start showing up right 486 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.000 as the war is about to get kicked off, and 487 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.519 the anti war movement's happening is when they all start 488 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:20.119 showing up. 489 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.440 But yeah, for no reason whatsoever, because the Laurel Canyon 490 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.640 was not a music scene. The major music scene was 491 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:37.599 like Memphis, where else like New York, New York, Chicago. Yeah, 492 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.839 it wasn't fucking there wasn't anything going on in the 493 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:47.160 Laurel Canyon. They just started migrating there for un explained reasons. 494 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:47.839 Literally. 495 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.319 Well, and Vito Pulkas is another interesting because he had 496 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:54.799 the freaks that would show up at these concerts and 497 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.559 a lot of people hadn't seen anything like that before, 498 00:25:57.680 --> 00:25:59.839 so that was mainly you know, that was the biggest 499 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:01.519 tre action of a lot of these shows in these 500 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:05.799 small la clubs was these freak freaky hippie chicks dancing. 501 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.000 And the guy that orchestrated that, I mean, his son 502 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:12.200 died when he was like he was like three or four. Yeah, 503 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:16.839 go to Paul and he was replaced by Bobby Bousselet 504 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:21.960 and a Kenneth Anger. Film like this guy actually made 505 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.880 it okay to go to one of these shows where 506 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.440 the musicians really sucked and you would just it was 507 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.440 just became a big party. And I mean in the fifties, 508 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.000 you didn't really have that, like it was just about 509 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:35.559 the music really in the dancing. 510 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.240 But do you remember what I always say about like 511 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.480 the plane crash with like Buddy Holly and the Big 512 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.319 Bopper and all those fuckers on it. That was like 513 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:48.160 the ending of an era for the counterculture scene to 514 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.920 take off, because that was the last of that generation 515 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.640 of like intent kind of like puppy dum music and 516 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:04.279 then all over and after that craft hippie, don't shape pits, 517 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:09.519 don't wear out all, don't take birth control, and also 518 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.920 uh smoke drugs and. 519 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:14.839 What else. 520 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.640 I mean, that's in my opinion, I feel like it 521 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.279 was almost like an overnight kind of transition from Buddy 522 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.599 Haley to Frank Zappa. 523 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.720 Yeah, hippie was invented right there in those clubs, right 524 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:32.960 there by Laurel Canyon and complete, complete invention. 525 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.240 And like you said, it was freaks. They wanted to go. 526 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.880 People would show up for the freak aspect of it, 527 00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:41.640 and they didn't care how shitty the music was. 528 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:47.559 So one thing, two things actually so Morrison, and that 529 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:49.640 you know it sounds like I'm just suck on Morrison. 530 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.200 I apologize to the chatting to you. Morrison got a 531 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:59.160 degree in cinematology, sorry, cinematography from UCLA, which would be 532 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:05.079 Liberal Arts type college, right or the department, right. Usually 533 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:09.160 you have them kind of collated in departments. And so 534 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.960 one of the things that we talk about as Stanford 535 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.920 and Essellin always being associated, what we don't realize is 536 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.039 that some of the original professors or scientists that started 537 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.200 this whole kickoff with Stanford and Essellin first came from 538 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.640 UCLA and they started in that department of the Liberal 539 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.400 Arts College. So that's also to kind of keep in mind. 540 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:35.440 And it was about the time when Morrison was in 541 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:39.920 school at UCLA. So I think again we have another connection. 542 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.400 Another connection, kind of pivoting off of what Mike said, 543 00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.519 is that no one really looks at the Troubador, which 544 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.839 was the club where all these people were playing there 545 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.440 outside of Laurel Canyon, and he was the main guy 546 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:58.200 that if you played there, you could play there for free, 547 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:00.160 as long as that when you made it big, you 548 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.039 had to come back and play. His parents, I believe 549 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.200 his parents were German or he was of German descent 550 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:09.440 of sort. The owner from the Troubadour, I forget his name, 551 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:13.559 but nobody really mentions him. He had to have been 552 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.240 integral into this whole scene, you know what I mean. 553 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.759 I mean they had to have gotten exposure somewhere. And 554 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:24.039 who designated Troubadour to be the club to be exposed 555 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:25.599 exposing these people? 556 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:28.160 I'm not familiar with. 557 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:28.559 That, are you. 558 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.200 I didn't know about the guy I know about the club. 559 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.960 Let me look up the name of the Troubadour a 560 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.960 second Alexander Douglas Weston. 561 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.240 Oh, that sounds like a suspicious name. 562 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.000 He was the owner of the Troubadour. 563 00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:46.960 Alexander what. 564 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.960 Alexander Douglas Doug Weston, And he was the owner of 565 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.640 the Troubadour and it was located at ninety eighty one 566 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:04.359 Santa Monica Boulevard. Wen, but I was initially a coffeehouse? 567 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:05.680 Was it? 568 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:07.319 Like? 569 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.359 I know, was it on the Sunset Strip? 570 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:12.920 Santa Monica? 571 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.759 Santa Monica? Is that close? 572 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.880 I mean, it's it's all close down there, depending on traffic. 573 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.920 But I would Yeah, there's like three clubs that were 574 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:25.079 kind of featuring these bands. 575 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.880 And the freaks were at some club on Sunset Strip. 576 00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.400 Well there was there was the Whiskey Go Go, Yeah, 577 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.000 that's what it was, and the Troubadour. I don't I'm 578 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.759 blinking on the other one, but you know, in the beginning, 579 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.119 it was kind of crazy because the log Cabin was 580 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.200 like a kind of a hangout spot where Zappa and 581 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.759 I mean this is really close to the Manson Slanes too. 582 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.000 I mean it all links together, but uh, Frank Zappa, 583 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.640 Mama Cass And one that nobody even really talks about 584 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:57.279 that's one of my favorites is Captain Beefheart. He kind 585 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:01.440 of came on later, but Captain Heart's stories crazy. He 586 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:05.279 would actually like in prison his bandmates and make them 587 00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:10.279 record under extreme hydration and starvation. I think, yeah, the 588 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.119 third album. I like beef Heart's first few albums and 589 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.680 he kind of gets out there, but I just think 590 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:17.599 he's one that doesn't really get talked about with the 591 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.000 Laurel Kingy's stuff. 592 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.680 Blocked them up and dehydrated and starved them instead play this. 593 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.960 Music, yes, and it was like real weird off the 594 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.960 wall music. One of the I think it was the 595 00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.720 drummer escaped during the recording sessions and he ended up. 596 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.319 I think he came back out of guilt or something. 597 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:35.720 Oh my god. 598 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.839 Not only that, the bass player who also was the 599 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.720 bass player for Zappa for a while. I can't remember 600 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:50.640 his name right offhand, but he's actually a like a 601 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:55.400 sexual predator, Like he's had cases against him since the 602 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.200 seventies and I think he's even back in prison again. 603 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.680 Well, he deserved to be dehydrated and. 604 00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.799 Maybe something. 605 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:10.200 When he was a child, he was a child prodigy sculptor, 606 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.519 and there was like a lot of mystery behind the 607 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.000 teacher and everything. And they've actually there's actually been a 608 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.279 lot of information that's come out about the guy that 609 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.240 taught him how to sculpt when he was a little kid. 610 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.119 And then he actually became really good friends with Zappa 611 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:32.680 in high school, and then he was in the Zappa Band, 612 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.480 and then he separated from that and started the Befart 613 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:36.519 Captain b Fart. 614 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.559 Yeah, and wasn't Zappa kind of the main producer of 615 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.839 his like launch into it. 616 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.240 Yeah, he produced and that was Cooper. 617 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:45.519 Yeah. 618 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.200 I was just gonna say those were his two brand 619 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.279 children really exactly. 620 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:49.799 Yeah. 621 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.559 Didn't Zappa grow up Edgewood Arsenal. 622 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.680 Well, that's where his dad worked. And funny because you 623 00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.119 get Morrison's dad at the Gulf of Tonken and and 624 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.680 you have Zappa's dad making the chemical weapons that they 625 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:03.319 were going to use. 626 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:09.599 John Phillips dad fucking I mean Jackson Brown's dad, and 627 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:15.279 someone else that people forget about, John Denver, who is 628 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.240 definitely Laurel Canyon, and his dad was some high up motherfucker. 629 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.440 What was he a captain at Roswell Army Airfield? 630 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.240 I think he was Air Force, Yeah, Roswell literally, and 631 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.720 then he goes on to be on the Board of 632 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.319 Governors for NASA for many years. 633 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:40.640 He's responsible for the first citizens space flight hit the Challenger. 634 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.000 That's John Dinver's fucking idea. And then it I mean, 635 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.279 whether or not you believe those people actually died, it's 636 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.640 just as fake as everything else that came out of 637 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.759 the Laurel Canyon. But I mean John Denver was friends 638 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.079 with Mama Cass and all of them. I mean, look, 639 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:01.480 Denver was a sharpshooter during the Korean More. Thank you, Evanna. 640 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.559 I didn't fucking know that. That is some good information 641 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:05.039 to know. 642 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:07.440 I never heard that one either. 643 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:12.639 That's another one. 644 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.559 Fucking Crosby was one of the more interesting ones to 645 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.039 me because I think a lot of these guys were 646 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.559 just like useful idiots. But then you had people at Crosby, 647 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.360 who probably had a hand and orchestrated the whole scene. 648 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:29.119 His family literally goes back to the Declaration of Independence. 649 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.159 A pretty important character. He's I don't think maybe directly 650 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.639 tied to Laurel Canyon, but but Bill Graham, the promoter, 651 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.239 he had like the Phillmore East, he had the Fillmore West. 652 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.119 He was basically the guy that started the Grateful Dead. 653 00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:54.000 He started Santana, he started Quicksilver Messenger Service. All the 654 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:59.800 San Francisco bands, Jimmy Hendricks, all the same stuff. 655 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.039 Raked all those bands, as you just mentioned though, playing live, 656 00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.800 they are known for going into like weird jam jam sessions, 657 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.760 all three of those. All those people do. 658 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.320 But do you think it almost kind of like brings. 659 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:19.519 Something that the boy did that Velvet Underground did that too. 660 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:25.159 Live the acid test, the original acid tests where the 661 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.679 Grateful Dead was just the house band, and they started 662 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.280 up there in northern California. They worked their way down 663 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:37.400 every basically every night to a different area where they 664 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.199 got all the way down to Watts l A. And 665 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.679 every night they just dripped acid and uh, they just 666 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.159 had peep. It was just a house party. They would 667 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:52.760 have like instruments laying around and microphones that would be everywhere, 668 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.639 and people were encouraged to just like make noises and 669 00:35:58.840 --> 00:35:59.960 say all kinds of strings. 670 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:07.960 Yeah, I'll answer that last comment about the police, because yeah, 671 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.639 it's uh yeah, the Copeland brothers and then I mean 672 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.079 they all they had like three major record labels. It 673 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.679 was the CIA, the I R S, and I don't 674 00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:21.199 remember the third one. But uh McGowan in his prologue 675 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.039 as if maybe he was planning on doing a Laurel 676 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:30.119 Canyon esque out of the eighties, and the Copeland thing 677 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.400 is huge. I think that one, like somebody should actually 678 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.440 write that book because it's just as intriguing. I mean, 679 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.559 Laurel Canyon formula never really stopped. I love to compare 680 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:47.239 it to grunge because the formula was the same. They 681 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.119 tweaked it a little bit for the times. But yeah, 682 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.920 the the Copeland thing is a really good tangent to 683 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:56.800 look into. The other one was the FBI. I was 684 00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.039 going to say that, but I was like, fuck, I 685 00:36:59.079 --> 00:36:59.719 guess it was. 686 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.239 The comments are on fire, and somebody cleared up that 687 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:08.119 thing about John Denver too. They said it was a rumor. 688 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.360 It's like how mister Rogers had had all these kills 689 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.639 and tats being I remember believing that when I heard. 690 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.400 It, Well didn't but didn't. So we actually interviewed a guy, 691 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:25.199 his name is John Gusty, and he said that John Denver. 692 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.400 He thinks he's trans. 693 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:32.559 It's trans. That John Denver is a woman. 694 00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:34.920 Well, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. The 695 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.920 next time we had that plan, I don't remember what 696 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.559 song it was, but I was like, that could easily 697 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.159 be a chick. I'm not saying I believe it. 698 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:46.360 He's small and he has small hands. I do love 699 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:47.079 John Denver. 700 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.800 Though else did he say? He said somebody else from 701 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.199 the Laurel Canyon didn't. 702 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.760 He He thinks a lot of people are trans. 703 00:37:54.039 --> 00:38:05.559 Maybe my grandpa, my grandpa, We said. Rod Stewart was still. 704 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:08.960 I was gonna say we should get him in on 705 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:09.480 one of these. 706 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.840 Dammit you else was kind of small. Jackson Brown definitely 707 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.440 could be trans and his dad was in the OSS, 708 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.800 so he's a trans Nazis. 709 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.000 What do you think, like overall, what do you think 710 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.079 was the purpose of like Lower Canyon? Was that, like 711 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.800 you think it was a bunch of different things going on. 712 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.960 It was everything was tied into each other. 713 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:34.679 Can I go first? 714 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.440 I think that they were running the counterculture movement at 715 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.440 the same time with the serial killer movement, because they 716 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.840 the main the first serial killers came out of the 717 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.360 sixties around the same time all this Laurel Canyon stuff 718 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:54.199 was going down, and they were like forcing independence on 719 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:56.360 women and telling him to get out there and go 720 00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.840 do stuff. And then at the same time there was 721 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:03.199 people like mans Zodiac Ed Bundy just ripping and running 722 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.559 through chicks, just literally slashing their way up and down 723 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.920 the coast, and so it was like a mixting of 724 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:17.079 different cultural It's a five layer burrito, okay, countercultures. At 725 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.599 the bottom, it's the rice, and then the beef is 726 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.360 programmed to kill, right with the serial killers. But then 727 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.159 there's other layers, right like the nacho cheese, and you 728 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.039 keep going. But I think it's it was just part 729 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:38.679 of like a multi layered psychological operation because they affect 730 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.119 the culture and then it's so easy. It's like Colby said, 731 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.159 they just repeated it throughout time with new serial killers 732 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:49.599 and new music scenes. So it was like the eighties 733 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.800 and then the nineties with like Nirvana and shit, and 734 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.519 they just get new people to play these same archetypal 735 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:00.800 characters and they just keep like upping every time. 736 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:02.119 Go ahead, honey, what do you think? 737 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.599 Well, I think it is a layer of things. You 738 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.119 got to talk about like Gordon Wasson going down to 739 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.679 Mexico with the Time magazine article. At the same time, 740 00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:14.760 Timothy Timothy Larry's doing his thing coming out of Harford 741 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.360 with the LSD stuff. He admitted he was a CIA 742 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:22.360 guy like way before he died. And then you got 743 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:26.239 to take into the Bay areas going on around then too. 744 00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.079 It was like, yeah, you can control culture, but you 745 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.039 don't really control culture unless you control the counterculture. And 746 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:34.039 the best way to control it is to create it. 747 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.920 And it's just I mean the Hegelian dialectic divide and conquer. 748 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.400 It's I don't think there's like one easy way to 749 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:43.880 just wrap it up in a sentence. 750 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:48.599 Well, it went from like literally like Buddy Hawley to fucking. 751 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:50.679 Do have halos? 752 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:52.920 You're talking about your. 753 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:54.639 Oh? 754 00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:00.679 Yes? Well, you know something else that people don't talk 755 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.039 about in relation to the Laurel Canyon is that with 756 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:09.079 the serial killer movement thing with Manson coming out of California, 757 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:14.199 Zodiac coming out of California, there's also the fucking Black Dahlia, 758 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.239 which isn't necessarily part of the sixties. Oh, Lisa, you 759 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:18.320 know about this, right. 760 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.960 Yeah, So the whole forty seven nineteen forty seven, you 761 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.119 know Roswell, you have a switchover from OSSCIA, You have 762 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.360 the creation of the Air Force Division of the military. 763 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.880 You also have Crowley dying in December. The main event 764 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.320 that's been forty seven at the very beginning was in 765 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:44.320 January was the Black Dahlia death. It kicked it all off, 766 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.079 and I think it was one of the most publicized 767 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:53.280 deaths and almost like a traumatizing way to traumatize the 768 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:54.719 public was that. 769 00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:00.320 And if you look into who was probably responsible for that, 770 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:07.280 it does go back to the Laurel Canyon because because 771 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:14.559 the Hodel guy, right, George Hodell, his daughter later became 772 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:19.039 friends with Michelle Phillips right from the Mamas and the Papas, 773 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:25.400 So it does tie back to Laurel Canyon. But I mean, okay, 774 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.159 I feel like if there's anything that's like CIA or 775 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.239 you need to look into it some more, it'll be 776 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.880 on an episode of Ghost Adventures. And fucking Nick knows 777 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:36.840 this because. 778 00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:37.920 We talk about it all the time. 779 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.400 If you want to know some sketchy ass shit. Zach 780 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:45.079 Began's will show up with a freaking EMF detector, and 781 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:48.280 he went to George Hodell's house in the Laurel Canyon 782 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.840 and was like, oh, he was incestuous with his daughter 783 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.960 and all that, And I'm like, of course he shows 784 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.159 up there, like that's perfect, But I do think that 785 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.360 it was probably him, and he was incestuous with his daughter. 786 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.119 A lot of the weirdos out of the Laurel Canyon 787 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:10.960 were incestuous with their daughters. John Phillips was apparently, Frank 788 00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.880 Zappa was doing weird stuff with his codes, and there 789 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:16.400 was another one am I forgetting. 790 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.320 Oh there's many and they were. 791 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:23.360 All just running train on their own kids. The Oh no, wait, no, 792 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:24.039 that was. 793 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:29.599 The hotel he would he would even let like when 794 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.400 he had house parties like at the like celebrities and stuff, 795 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.119 have sex with his daughter and everything, and then the 796 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.320 house was like a Mayan temple. 797 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:46.719 Yep, yep, and so the and she was like it 798 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:50.920 ties into the house they found like the black Dollia's body, 799 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.119 like in the same kind of concrete bags that they 800 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.800 had at the house that was used during construction. 801 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.920 I don't know what this comment is about the Layton family. 802 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:08.960 If you read Dave McGowan's blog, there's a whole section 803 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.679 just on the black Dahlia. And after you read that, 804 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.639 after you see the evidence, I doubt you'll you'll think 805 00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.840 it's anybody but the Hodell family. And also she got 806 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.159 pregnant by her father and that kid is still alive. 807 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.440 And you know that the brother of I think her 808 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.920 name was Tamar, wasn't it, yes, Maar Hodell. Yeah, her 809 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.960 brother wrote has written books and done interviews and he 810 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:40.239 apparently they were doing ritualism in that house. I mean, 811 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.760 it wasn't just a black dahlia. They were like cutting 812 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.960 bitches up and the basement and stuff. 813 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.320 Well, doctor Hodell, that's what he did. He did illegal abortions. 814 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.360 That was part of what he did. It was like 815 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.360 a thing he couldn't even do then, but he did 816 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.719 him illegally for celebrities and the lay Wait it is second. 817 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.480 So that's American. 818 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.039 Horne murder House. I was gonna say, I thrash can 819 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.039 can finish talking without Julia talking about American horror story 820 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.360 because yeah, it's the Matt Ross character in season one 821 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:14.360 is supposed. 822 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:14.440 To be him. 823 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:16.119 I mean it's George Odell. 824 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:16.920 It's supposed to see. 825 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.920 I told you guys, we're living in the most interesting 826 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.719 season of American horror story. We're living in a conglomeration 827 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:28.400 of all the seasons put together. And I will stand 828 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.840 by that until day I'm dead. 829 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.039 Well, yeah, if you throw some black Mirror in there. 830 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:35.400 Too, black mirror slash American Horror Story. 831 00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:37.119 Yeah, it would be pretty point. 832 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.000 Nick, Who is your favorite out of the Laurel cany 833 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.000 You though I have not ever heard you. 834 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.119 Say, I don't think I really have one. Tell you 835 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:46.559 the truth like. 836 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:48.679 Getting to head right now, you have to pick one 837 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.800 artist out of the Laurel Canyon to listen to until 838 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:52.280 you're dead. 839 00:45:53.239 --> 00:46:00.360 Ooh, man might actually go with the Dead who grateful Dead? Oh? 840 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:01.639 Well, they were in the bay. 841 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:05.440 But I mean, you have to pick canyons so it 842 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:09.000 can be like Morrison, Mama's in the Papas. 843 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:09.639 Who else? 844 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:10.519 The Turtles? 845 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:16.800 Yeah, the Turtles, David Kross, Crosby Stills, and. 846 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.800 Nash Hendrick's kind of was around the scene. The birds 847 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.400 love Eric Clapton. 848 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.639 He'll probably just take Airic Clapton. 849 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.480 Yeah, I love you. 850 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.960 Got what's what's his dealing with over there. 851 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.280 That guy's story is weird. 852 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.880 Well, he that's where his kid died, right, He lived 853 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.760 up there at that time, and he was totally tied 854 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.239 in with the monkeys and all of them, like all 855 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:48.519 of them were tight. They all have pictures together. 856 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:51.960 Who is Graham Parsons with. 857 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.280 The Flying Burrito Brothers? 858 00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.000 I think is Graham Parsons. 859 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:05.639 Yeah, And he died in the town that I grew 860 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.079 up in when I was a little kid. My grandpa 861 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.760 like built a house there and everything. Joe, Yeah, and 862 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.880 he died in that hotel there, and. 863 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.360 Zach Began's Ghost Adventures. 864 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.800 And there's a Ghost Adventures episode I was gonna say 865 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:22.880 at that hotel. 866 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.679 Yeah, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. And isn't there 867 00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:29.440 like that weird story where they took Graham's body and 868 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:31.119 they like buried it on the soul. 869 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.639 They made a really good movie on that with what's 870 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:38.039 the fucking jackass guy's name? 871 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:42.880 So, yeah, grand theft Parsons, I think is that's. 872 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.639 What it is? I mean to me, Like she keeps 873 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.519 talking about how this is all like keeping the story alive. 874 00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.880 So I would have to say Ghost Adventures just another 875 00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.800 way that they keep these legends going, Oh for sure, 876 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:55.440 I don't know. 877 00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.400 We talked about it when we cover Jeffrey Dahmer because 878 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.760 I said he'll show up at Jeffrey's apartment and I 879 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.840 was like, oh, no, he can't because they burnt it down. 880 00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:08.039 They built a playground there. So it's it's just funny 881 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:11.079 how he shows up at these places that like, how does. 882 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:12.000 He know about this? 883 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.800 Literally the he goes to the hotel where Grandparsans dies, 884 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.079 He went to Kenneth Anger's old house and interviewed Kenneth Anger. 885 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.400 Did you guys thrash did you yeah? 886 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And they like shoved the lion 887 00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:30.280 claw marks that were like at the mansion when Levey 888 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.920 owned a lion and yeah yeah they did. They did 889 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:36.840 like an investigation like in one of the rooms where 890 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.960 they did one of the rituals and everything. Yeah, and 891 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:44.239 Angers like just all talking about summoning demons and everything 892 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:45.079 right on that eide. 893 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:45.559 Yeah. 894 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:51.159 Literally, his Lucifer jacket, his Lucifer jacket. 895 00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.599 What channel do they play Ghost Adventures on? Is it 896 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.440 like TLC or some shit like that. 897 00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.199 Get Travel Channel, her Travel Travel channel. 898 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.440 That's what they literally are just clicking around on TV 899 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.480 and freaking Kenneth Anger pops up with this Lucifer jacket 900 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.199 rummining demons. Yeah, literally so. But Kenneth Anger is a 901 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:16.960 whole other aspect of the Canyon though, because he uh 902 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.000 wasn't the Rolling Stones and they were going to do 903 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.440 some project with him or something like that. 904 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.719 Yeah, And I mean he's heavily tied in with a 905 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:26.760 lot of the Manson people. 906 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.760 Well, there's even rumor that the original guitar player of 907 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:37.360 the Rolling Stones yea, that he was doing a black 908 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.400 magic ritual and I don't think he finished it and 909 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.239 they found him like drowned in the pool. 910 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.599 Yep, that is true. 911 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.760 And then I guess if we're talking about the Stones, 912 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:51.599 we should bring up the Uh. 913 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.400 It's in the book, right. The Altamont Park. 914 00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.199 I don't know. This one to me is one where 915 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:01.519 everybody just there. He's about what went down that day, 916 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:05.760 Like I think we got into some hot water last 917 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:06.599 time we talked about it. 918 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:08.039 Have you seen the video? 919 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:10.119 I never did see it. 920 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:15.000 Yeah, there's the video, and you can see the whole 921 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:18.039 thing go down between the Hell's Angel and Uh, there's 922 00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.960 like a black dude I think he has a knife 923 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.000 and you can see pull no, I think he pulls 924 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.000 out a gun and then the Hell's Angel pulls out 925 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.000 like a k bar and you can they just it 926 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.159 just they just get into a whole fight right there 927 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:35.679 in the crowd. And there's like a whole story of 928 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.920 one of the Hell's Angels named Animal. He would wear 929 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.400 like a fox he had like a fox head he 930 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:47.400 would wear and uh, you can see him actually instigating 931 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.800 something like he takes like a like a billy club 932 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.880 or something and jabbed somebody. They were like messing with 933 00:50:54.920 --> 00:51:01.000 the band of Jefferson Airplane. It was just like chaos 934 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:04.599 from all all day. Like the Hell's Angels were just 935 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.119 bullying people around. You can see you could watch on 936 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.119 video where like Animal he's like bullying people and like 937 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.840 smacking crowd members and just because they're getting a little 938 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.039 too close to the stage. 939 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:18.119 And yeah, and the Rolling Stones hired them as security. 940 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.400 Yeah why would yeah, yeah, why would you. 941 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:24.840 Look Like there's the Hunter S. Thompson thing. There's a 942 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.039 Bundye victim that was supposedly taken away by Hell's Angels 943 00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.280 from like a big picnic. These guys always kind of 944 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.440 have they're just in the background. 945 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.079 And the acid tests they were directly involved at the 946 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.000 attest too. 947 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:38.880 And I mean and they did do a lot of black, 948 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.599 black market drug dealing back then too, Like they definitely 949 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.760 had connections to Wait. 950 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.519 And all started by ex military. They were passes just 951 00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:49.440 like the military. 952 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:56.199 I mean named after the squadron, the Hell's Angels. What 953 00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:01.199 squadron it was an Air Force squadron named the Hills Angels, 954 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.199 and that's what they named their. 955 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.239 All the major biker gangs have ties from the Vietnam War. 956 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.679 They come back. A lot of them were started there 957 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.559 and the original ones were started to World War Two 958 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:18.960 because they would learn how to ride motorcycles over there 959 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:20.639 and then they became available. 960 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:26.559 So wis Hybrid and Parsons Laurel Canyon decade. 961 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.440 Well, I mean that was earlier, but still it's it's 962 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.519 around the time Lisa was talking about nineteen forty seven. 963 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.599 That era, like a lot of big things going on there. 964 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.119 I do think that scientology and its naval intelligence connection 965 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.159 can't be overlooked if we're talking about how. 966 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:48.639 The Laurel Canayan ties in direct I'm sorry, but the 967 00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:55.519 Laurel Canyan ties in directly to Jack Parsons and the 968 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.280 Oto Lodge. He was a part of which is called 969 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:02.840 the Agape Lodge in California, and there's evidence that Charles 970 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:08.559 Manson was Actually there's some weird stuff where they hired 971 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.960 them to break into the lodge to get a bunch 972 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.400 of files and documents because there was like a like 973 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:20.440 an argument between Israel Regardi and the other person that 974 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:25.760 was running the lodge at the time, m And they 975 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.840 had the Mansons dude like creepy crawl into the lodge 976 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:33.079 and it was in Death Valley. And then there's all kinds. 977 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.960 There's a weird story that ties into that lodge called 978 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:39.119 the Boy in the Box. 979 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:41.280 I was just gonna see there was a boy that 980 00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:44.599 was locked in a box somewhere and they were somehow 981 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:45.800 able to Okay. 982 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.320 So you know that story good? 983 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.440 Yeah. Yeah, he was locked in a box at the 984 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:54.800 lodge and supposedly they were like using him for ritual 985 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.239 and stuff, and they found him chained up and he 986 00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.239 had just like a bowl of water and like some food. 987 00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:05.760 Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they said like they weren't. 988 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.480 He was just like pisson and shitting all over himself 989 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.159 in the box. And it was a lot like how 990 00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:15.519 they talk about the kids at Presidio Air Force Base. 991 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.039 They were getting pissed on and shipped on, and like 992 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.800 that's one of the main things if you look for Satanism, 993 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.800 is like kids getting literally pissed and shipped on and 994 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.599 some I think it was actually in McGowan's blog about 995 00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.599 this kid that was locked in the box. I can't 996 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:31.760 remember all the details. 997 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.760 Like thrash it was. He had a whole chapter on 998 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:39.920 it directly with the Laurel Canyon and like Manson and 999 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.159 then some some band. 1000 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.119 That you know, not to get back to, like the 1001 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.159 piss and ship stuff, but that didn't come up. That 1002 00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.760 did come up that they come up in one of 1003 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:56.360 Paul Bonacci's story, not to him, but the chick I 1004 00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:58.079 forgot the girl that he was with a lot. 1005 00:54:58.719 --> 00:54:59.880 They had both left ones. 1006 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:01.679 I think they actually got into a plane and went 1007 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:05.960 somewhere and they both got split apart. Yeah, when she 1008 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.599 came back into the car to get back into the riot, 1009 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:12.000 I mean he said she was covered in just kiss shit. 1010 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.599 Well, and I think that's where isn't that the story 1011 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:21.239 where Hunter S. Thompson gets involved. Is he king? 1012 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.760 I mean he's he was. He'd spent a lot of 1013 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.400 time in the Bay and La, but yeah, the Bonazzi 1014 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:31.920 stuff about him, and McGowan was convinced that Hunter s 1015 00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:33.719 Thompson was one of the bad ones. I listened to 1016 00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.760 an interview where you can just hear the heartbreak in 1017 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.400 his voice, and I feel the same way. Like that 1018 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:42.000 one's kind of hard to swallow. 1019 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.280 Yeah, Hunter s Thompson, he's no good. 1020 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:48.880 I mean, yeah, I mean the more I look into it, 1021 00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:50.760 the more I don't want to, but I can't stop. 1022 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.079 We're actually going to do a huge episode on him. 1023 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:57.800 He's literally the model nightmare neighbor. He's literally just like 1024 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:00.679 taking US forty four and just like on loading it 1025 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:06.079 at the ebor and running a sheriff. Yeah, eff and 1026 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.679 shaved his head and he had like the what was 1027 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.599 it the peote button logo for the sheriff. 1028 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:17.639 And well that's another Up there is in Aspen, Aspen 1029 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:20.480 and Boulder, they're connected and they have the same kind 1030 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:23.719 of thing. Glenn Fry from the Eagles was up there 1031 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.480 and a lot of weird stuff like that, like he 1032 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:29.679 had a pass from the lot to do whatever he 1033 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:30.559 wanted to do up. 1034 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.880 There, and yeah, Bill Murray and Brian Doyle Murray were 1035 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:36.280 hanging out with Hunter s Thompson quite a bit too. 1036 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.159 So that sucks. 1037 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:41.199 That really sucks. I love Bill Murray Colby told me 1038 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:41.599 that he. 1039 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.920 Fucked his cat Hunter s Thompson. So do you guys 1040 00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.760 know this story about the Screwjack post? 1041 00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:51.639 My gosh, you guys are gonna fuck. 1042 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:52.440 You throw Well. 1043 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:54.760 So, like I said, I was a huge Hunter S 1044 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.119 Thompson fan. I read everything I could get my hands on. 1045 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.320 And not long after he died, they published this like 1046 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:05.840 collection of short stories called Screwjack. And you all know 1047 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.400 about how he kind of, oh, this is fiction, but 1048 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.679 is it with fear and loathing and all that? I mean, 1049 00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:15.639 he knows that he has to claim that it's satire, 1050 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:19.559 and but it's a first person account about him fucking 1051 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:23.599 his cat. And I read that and just kind of 1052 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.199 does the cats on the cover? The cat's on the 1053 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:27.159 cover of the book too. 1054 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.679 Yeah, and it's a cute cat. I've seen a million 1055 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:37.239 cats like that. It's a little black cat. Yeah. Do 1056 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:37.880 you believe it? 1057 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:38.199 Though? 1058 00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:41.400 Now I can't. I gotta wonder. 1059 00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:45.079 As far as as far as counterculture, I mean. 1060 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:51.320 Who he was huge and drugs and especially the Hell's Angel, 1061 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:55.519 Like he broadcasted that and made it popular, so that 1062 00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.760 whole counterculture movement would and the Hell's Angels wouldn't be 1063 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.840 nearly as popular if you didn't write that book and 1064 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:03.840 show up on that TV show where. 1065 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:08.599 The one Yeah, and let's not forget that Adrenochrome was 1066 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.199 published in the nineteen seventy two novel where you know 1067 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:15.639 it kind of faded away. We didn't really know about it. 1068 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:17.480 I mean, you can look into the history of it 1069 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:20.280 and it's all pretty credible. But then he brought it 1070 00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.039 into mainstream culture, and then again with the movie in 1071 00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:24.320 the nineties with Johnny Depp. 1072 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.639 I mean, I remember being a kid and I used 1073 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.920 to be obsessed with looking up different drugs. For some reason. 1074 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.000 I would look up every drug possible and what they 1075 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.639 did and everything. And I remember watching Fear and Loathing 1076 00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:42.480 in Las Vegas and here, oh, what's that one? Let 1077 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.239 me read that one up? And I remember looking it 1078 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:49.679 up on like eroid dot org or whatever. Nice And 1079 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.840 there was a lot of interesting stuff back then. It 1080 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.199 was like two thousand and five, two thousand and six, 1081 00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.559 I Love I Loved Ye, and then like a lot 1082 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:00.519 of that disappeared. 1083 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.519 What did it say? 1084 00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.239 Just all kinds of stuff, like the different doctors and 1085 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:10.679 alkaloids and like different experiments that are done. We're done 1086 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:14.400 with it and everything, real kinds of detailed information. Yeah, 1087 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.519 and then it would also say that it's mainly only 1088 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.639 was talked about in that book, and that's was like 1089 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.360 where it was first heard of really in the public. 1090 00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:27.119 Mm hmm. 1091 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.239 Well, I think if we're going to talk Laurel Canyon stuff, 1092 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:36.199 we should also mention actors from the Laurel Canyon, because 1093 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.639 I don't think we did that last time we covered 1094 00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:39.679 the canyon, did we. 1095 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.039 I think we skimmed it a little bit. 1096 00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:45.079 I think I have a list. Oh, go ahead, as 1097 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:46.880 you look. As you look up a list. I wanted 1098 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.440 to kind of mention something that about Frank Zappa. I 1099 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.119 don't know if if y'all have already mentioned this before, 1100 00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.039 but did y'all know about his dad, Frank Zappa's dad. 1101 00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.440 Mm hm, Edward Arsenal, Yeah, yep. 1102 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:06.679 And so he he actually was like a metallurgist for 1103 01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:12.679 Lockheed and Convet Aircraft corporations as well. And during this time, 1104 01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:19.880 that's when Edgewood was also affiliated with MK oh I'm 1105 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.840 sure one time, and they were running LSD experiments at 1106 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.280 the same time. So It's just pretty interesting that you 1107 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.400 have that and then you have Frank Zappa kind of 1108 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.920 show up and then this whole psychedelic scene. But the 1109 01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:34.679 other thing is Zappa's wife was also intelligence, so she 1110 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:38.239 came from a long line of intelligence people as well. 1111 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.320 And then you know, you go down the whole list 1112 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:47.239 of I think it was like his manager. If you 1113 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:49.360 already mentioned this, I apologize. He was like a gun 1114 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:50.679 runner in the Caribbean. 1115 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.079 I mean, just what was his name, his manner? 1116 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:55.719 Cohen? 1117 01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.239 Yeah, I do remember that from the book, Herb Cohen. 1118 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:05.519 And there wasn't there another one though, a Rothschild though, No, 1119 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:06.039 that was. 1120 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:11.320 For the doors Paul paula Rothschild, Yeah, apparently discovered them 1121 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.679 and I think he was elected records. 1122 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:19.639 But Frank Zappa, he even claimed, like when his dad 1123 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.920 worked at Edgewood Arsenal and they were there, that he 1124 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:27.760 had horrible problems breathing and he had horrible coughing problems 1125 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.559 and stuff like that. And then when they moved to California, 1126 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.039 a lot of that cleared up. But then famously Frank 1127 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:36.440 Zappa died horribly. 1128 01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:41.239 Of cancer AINUS cancer, yeah, ainus cancer, yeah, yep. 1129 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:44.559 So was he breathing through his ass. 1130 01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:46.400 He was doing all kinds of stuff with his ass. 1131 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.639 If you ask me, everybody. 1132 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:50.800 Weren't. 1133 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.679 Wasn't this wasn't this where they were developing all the 1134 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.840 nerve gases saren and orange and all that other stuff 1135 01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.559 to be later used in Vietnam. 1136 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:00.960 This was at that time. 1137 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.320 Yeah, my notes say that his dad was the head 1138 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:09.280 of operation what is this a chemical warfare and mk 1139 01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:14.320 ultra operations at the experimental Edgewood Arsenal Facility. That's what 1140 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.239 I have in my notes. But you were talking about 1141 01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:23.360 his wife, and actually John Phillips's wife was a direct 1142 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:30.320 descendant of President John Adams. And I think his John 1143 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.639 Phillips's sister was a career employee of the Pentagon. And 1144 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:38.440 so yeah, I mean, all these guys, it's like, and 1145 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.599 I said about Crosby earlier, like his family tree goes 1146 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:45.360 back to like signers of the Declaration of Independence, high 1147 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:50.320 ranking Mason's people were paying to like have his baby, 1148 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:54.039 weren't they like, please nut inside me, please nut inside me. 1149 01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:57.920 But I don't, I mean, I don't know what's going 1150 01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.679 on with them. 1151 01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.280 And the whole my whole point. 1152 01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:03.480 And I know everybody said this already. I know in 1153 01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:06.159 every Laurel Canyon stuff they keep saying this, But if 1154 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:10.519 you have a bunch of military brats, right, because that's 1155 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.920 what they were, and they all move to an area 1156 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:19.840 where it's an air force base, Lookout Mountain, and then 1157 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.760 you have all of these I don't know ops coming 1158 01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:28.440 out of Lookout Mountain that were influencing the culture. I 1159 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.639 think they just diversified their portfolio, like Nick said, well, 1160 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:34.639 manipulating society. 1161 01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:39.679 So a part of the book is so back then 1162 01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:44.119 almost everybody or there was a good percentage chance that 1163 01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:45.159 you were going to get drafted. 1164 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:47.760 And whether you made it or not through. 1165 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:49.880 The medical and all that, that's another thing. But at 1166 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:54.239 least being drafted huge likelihood. And he went through and 1167 01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.719 none of the people in Laurel Canyon got drafted. So 1168 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.559 it seems like these high ranking people found you know, 1169 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:04.320 creative ways of getting their kids not to get slaughtered. 1170 01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:09.800 And or maybe they were drafted but in different capacity, 1171 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.400 you know what I mean, Like they were drafted, but 1172 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:16.440 they were carrying out a different operation and they were 1173 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.960 very useful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were very useful. So 1174 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:22.719 there was no way that they were going to like 1175 01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:25.519 ship them off somewhere. They were doing a great job here, 1176 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:27.079 you know, at home. 1177 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.920 Well, remember they did that with Elvis, they had him 1178 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:36.079 all dressed up in the military and army and everything, 1179 01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.639 and then they did that with Jimmy Hendricks as well. 1180 01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:41.360 That's true. 1181 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:47.480 And Elvis was literally an agent. He was a DA agent. 1182 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:50.559 And people go through these books and they're like, oh, 1183 01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:54.119 it's just you know, some goofy thing he did because 1184 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.119 he has that much clout. But he was deputized in 1185 01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:58.320 like several agencies. 1186 01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:03.119 I mean, so isn't that where he met Priscilla too? 1187 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:04.119 In Germany? 1188 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.280 I'm not sure about that. 1189 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:09.679 No, isn't that like Priscilla like his. 1190 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:15.480 Like by the way, Yeah, but think she I think 1191 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:17.559 she was even younger than that when the courtship. 1192 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:22.639 He was thirteen when the courtship began. But I swear 1193 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:26.360 he was he like met her while he was overseas. 1194 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.119 I want to say it brought her back he came. 1195 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.159 I think he came home on leave or something and 1196 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:34.239 met Priscilla. I mean, it's a story. 1197 01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:34.719 I don't know. 1198 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.280 I covered it a long time ago. But actually. 1199 01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:43.440 I was going to have you tell your theory about 1200 01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:44.519 Jack Nicholson. 1201 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:49.000 Oh well, I think that Jack Nicholson, He's got one 1202 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.199 of the most intriguing stories out of any of the 1203 01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:57.239 Hollywood guys come out. Yeah, but he's because he was 1204 01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:01.159 definitely kind of not huge. He was doing his acting 1205 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.920 in the beginning, and the story is is that he 1206 01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:07.000 decided to become more of a producer and then Rip 1207 01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:11.679 Torn had a schedule conflict when they were doing Easy Writer, 1208 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.400 and so they got Nicholson and then that role helped 1209 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.880 him blow up. But his story is so similar to 1210 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:23.559 Ted Bundy's, like with him being raised by a grandmother 1211 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:25.760 that he thinks is his mother and his sister is 1212 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:29.639 actually his mom. No birth certificate, no birth certificate. But 1213 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:34.239 we were covering Ted Bundy and ever since, you know, 1214 01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:36.320 probably like the last five years or so, when I've 1215 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.440 started to think a lot of this stuff is just bullshit. 1216 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:42.519 Stage to that Syops, I thought there was an interview 1217 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.599 with Ted Bundy. I think it was in Colorado, and 1218 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:47.400 I swear it to Jack Nicholson. 1219 01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:49.400 Yeah, I think it's compelling. 1220 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:50.079 It's it. 1221 01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:55.519 Did you ever see the movie psych Out with Jack Nicholson? 1222 01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:57.840 Is that one of the like the ones he made 1223 01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:00.920 with Fonda and Dennis Hopper where they did Easy Writer, 1224 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:01.920 and yeah, it's. 1225 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.480 Like it's like a it's like an acid movie through 1226 01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:05.079 the whole thing. 1227 01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:08.880 Yeah, they kind of worked their way up to Easy Writer, 1228 01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.119 which to me, I love Easy Writer. That was one 1229 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:11.840 of my favorite. 1230 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:15.239 And then he also he also did a biker movie too. 1231 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:17.800 Yeah, wasn't that Easy Writer. 1232 01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:21.039 No, I mean not a different one if it's almost 1233 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:24.199 like Hell's Angels kind of thing. Really it was called 1234 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:25.039 Hell's Angels. 1235 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:30.039 Maybe I don't remember he played the Joker too, Oh. 1236 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:30.599 Yeah he did. 1237 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.440 I think Jack Nicholson is probably one of the most 1238 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:39.599 well known out of the list. I mean maybe my 1239 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:44.639 list is Jack Nicholson, Warren Bady, Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, Salminio, 1240 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:48.400 and James Dean. Which there's a whole thing about James 1241 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:51.000 Dean too. I can't remember what it is though he 1242 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:52.119 was gay, right. 1243 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:56.280 And uh was he gay? I know Montgomery Cliss ever. 1244 01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:00.920 I remember reading something in the Gallas Rock Hudson was gay. 1245 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:01.960 I mean maybe they all were. 1246 01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:03.880 Who maybe they're they're gay together. 1247 01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.920 But yeah, the list is. But you got to throw 1248 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.000 Roman plan Ski in there. 1249 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:10.719 One hundred Romans. 1250 01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:11.679 He's not an actor. 1251 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:17.039 But you should also didn't say your theory about the 1252 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.560 the Tate murders being staged. 1253 01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:23.079 Oh yeah, I've just come to the point where I 1254 01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:26.279 think a lot of these things never really happened, and 1255 01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:30.680 the Lobbianca ones I think probably get overlooked a lot 1256 01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:35.000 just because of the you know, the scope of the 1257 01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:39.520 Tate killings. But I don't know, I can't be convinced 1258 01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:42.960 after reading everything about Laurel Canyon and who her dad 1259 01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:45.880 was and the way they blew it up. It's kind 1260 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.840 of like how I also don't think the West Memphis 1261 01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.159 three thing even is real. It just seems like they 1262 01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:55.159 take these moments in time to really shift everything, and 1263 01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.560 I really don't think they would have to kill anybody. 1264 01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:59.680 Oftentimes you think. 1265 01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.399 It was like a Hollywood stage, Like. 1266 01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:08.800 I mean, Hollywood is CIA, CIA is Hollywood, and throw 1267 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:12.239 Disney in there with Laurel Kannon Sharon Tates that I 1268 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:14.960 don't remember if what branch of military he was, but 1269 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:18.399 he kind of came in and just took over after 1270 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:22.640 it happened, And I mean, they just all the stuff 1271 01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.359 they found that the Polansky household it if she is dead, 1272 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:28.800 I mean, I'm kind of on the fence about it, 1273 01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:31.399 But if I had to say, you know, life or 1274 01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:34.479 death situation, gun to head, I would say that they 1275 01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.880 staged a lot of it. Yeah, and the Polansky Nicholson 1276 01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:41.520 connection is huge too, And that's whose house the hot 1277 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:44.560 tub incident happened with the girl, you know, the whole 1278 01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:47.880 reason they had to extradite him and or not extradite 1279 01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:51.239 but move him over to France. So a lot of 1280 01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:54.439 the Hollywood stuff really goes overlooked when we talk about 1281 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.239 Laurel Cannon just because the music scenes huge, way easier 1282 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.199 to get kind of engulfed in. But a lot of 1283 01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:03.520 the stuff that is the darkest was going on with 1284 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:04.399 the movie stars. 1285 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.920 Yeah, but Lookout Mountain had state of the art equipment. 1286 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.359 That's where they were filming nuclear films, right for the 1287 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:14.319 nuclear blasts. 1288 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:18.319 And that's what they said officially. I think they were 1289 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.319 doing a lot of stuff unofficially that will never know 1290 01:10:21.399 --> 01:10:21.720 about it. 1291 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:24.239 They say that's where they like developed the films. 1292 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:27.000 Okay, then why did Marilyn Monroe have tops? 1293 01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.840 Well, what he's saying, I always thought that those things 1294 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:30.840 looked like a model. 1295 01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:33.000 Yeah, they look fake and gay. 1296 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:35.119 And that's where they're probably filming all that type of stuff. 1297 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.680 And like if Kubrick really did film the moon landing. 1298 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.439 If it was him or somebody else, lookout, that's probably 1299 01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:41.359 where they would have done it. 1300 01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:45.720 I mean, Marilyn Monroe, she was one of the astronauts. 1301 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:48.600 Frank Sinatra, right. 1302 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:51.079 Yeah, Frank Sinatra had tops apparents. 1303 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:57.560 Well, I don't know why I'm blanking. Oh Seabring, Jay Sebering. 1304 01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:00.159 I brought it up last time, but you have have 1305 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.680 to watch the j Sebring documentary. It's interesting. 1306 01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.760 Where can we find it? 1307 01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:08.279 It's just it was just on Amazon when it came out, 1308 01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:10.119 and I think I readed it for like two or 1309 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:10.920 three bucks. 1310 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:12.800 It's just called j Sebring or what. 1311 01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.880 Yeah, it's just about it's about him. It's it's pretty interesting, 1312 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:21.439 but they it. It has the lawyer and everything, and 1313 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:24.880 it kind of talks about he was saying that Sharon 1314 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.760 was trying to divorce Polanski and that she was trying 1315 01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:34.840 to get back with Seabring, and it's pretty interesting. I 1316 01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:38.079 found it interesting anyway. But the only problem again, it 1317 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:41.600 just adds to the case. You're like, oh my gosh, 1318 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:42.199 now here's this. 1319 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.720 Yeah, right, I know, but isn't J Sebring the one 1320 01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:48.720 that used to cut Jim Morrison's hair, jeg. 1321 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:56.960 I mean he was the Jerseyson Sinatra, Sinatra, Sammy Davis, 1322 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:06.840 Uh yeah, all those people, almost anybody that what's his 1323 01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:11.600 what's his name? Steve McQueen was like his best friend, mm. 1324 01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:19.880 Was Natalie Wood Laurel Canyon? I mean I think like 1325 01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:24.560 Laurel Kenyon adjacent definitely, because I know she was tight 1326 01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:28.680 with Warren Batty. Who is Laurel Canyon? And that I 1327 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:32.119 did an episode a long time ago on like how 1328 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:35.600 weird her death was too, because. 1329 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:37.520 Well a lot of people watched Once upon a Time 1330 01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:40.079 in Hollywood with the Brad Pitt out on the boat 1331 01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.960 with the harpoon thing, and because they maybe killed his wife, 1332 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:47.560 that that was a nod to Natalie Wood, right situation. 1333 01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:50.359 I didn't know that, but I mean, yeah, there's a 1334 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:53.039 lot of suspicious, weird stuff about what happened to her, 1335 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.680 because wasn't who was on the boats? 1336 01:12:58.800 --> 01:12:59.079 Right? 1337 01:12:59.439 --> 01:12:59.640 Yeah? 1338 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.319 Remember the other her husband and they got in an 1339 01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:05.680 argument or something, right, she had hung out with Christopher 1340 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.039 Walking all day or something. 1341 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:10.399 Yeah, that's what it was, and he was on the boat. 1342 01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:13.560 I do remember that, but gosh, I wish I could 1343 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:16.560 remember from that episode. But there was like even like 1344 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.079 a witness or something that saw her like in the 1345 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.199 water screaming for help, and nobody would throw her a floaty. 1346 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:25.960 I mean, she couldn't swim, so but I couldn't remember 1347 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.920 if she was Laurel Canyon or like Laurel Canyon adjacent. 1348 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.239 I mean I think that McGowan does bring her up 1349 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:31.760 in the book. 1350 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:34.079 He also brings up Phil Hartman too. 1351 01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:34.560 Yeah. 1352 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:38.319 Phil Hartman's an interesting one just because of I don't 1353 01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:40.880 remember exactly what he was doing, but he ended up 1354 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:43.760 being like the guy who designed a lot of the 1355 01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:47.279 logos right, Yeah, did some album cover artwork. 1356 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.079 He came up with Crosby Stills in Nash logo. 1357 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:55.119 Yeah, and I think his death is really suspicious. I 1358 01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:56.560 used to just buy the story. 1359 01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:59.000 But his wife shot him, Yeah. 1360 01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:00.680 I mean I heard someone talk about it once and 1361 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.319 then when they said that she used to step down 1362 01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:05.279 to kill herself, then she used to kill him. That 1363 01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:07.000 right there, it was like, Okay, you got to look 1364 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:10.039 into this one because there's a lot of fucker your 1365 01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:13.000 foot on that one. And he was around all these 1366 01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:14.319 guys when he was really young. 1367 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:21.359 Yeah, and I can't remember where what part of the block. 1368 01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:23.319 I think it was like on the last page or 1369 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:26.079 something he talked about like Phil Hartman and some people 1370 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:29.239 who were like distantly related to the Canyon. I think 1371 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:34.319 that's when Natalie Wood comes up. But I mean, I. 1372 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:36.520 Feel like I've asked everybody except for. 1373 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:42.199 Mike and Thrash who their favorite Laurel Canyon people. Did 1374 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:45.640 I ask you, Lisa? You did? I did ask you. 1375 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:47.640 You asked if the doors were her favorite? 1376 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:49.880 Oh and you said yes. 1377 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:54.039 I said, I mean, I like them, yes. But I think, 1378 01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:56.000 like I said, Joni Mitchell. 1379 01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:59.319 All right, yeah, that's what she said, because he really 1380 01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:02.039 talks about that. They're kind of in the background, probably 1381 01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:03.039 watching it all happen. 1382 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:08.600 You know, Eric Clapton all day. For me, I love 1383 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:09.279 Eric Clapton. 1384 01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:11.000 Is that what Nick landed on to? 1385 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.279 I think so yes. 1386 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:19.560 That leaves Thrash well, it's it's either Frank Zappa or 1387 01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:26.760 Jim Morrison. Like I'm but I have more Jim Morrison books. 1388 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.319 But I feel like I'm more into Frank Zappa's music. 1389 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:36.920 I feel like Frank Zappa actually said a lot with 1390 01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:39.319 his music, like he was kind of exposing a lot 1391 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.920 of MK ultra and stuff in my opinion, even though 1392 01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:43.720 he was still kind of a garbage guy. 1393 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:49.560 Mm hmmm, yeah, well the best ones are what was. 1394 01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:50.760 It, mothers of invention? 1395 01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:54.800 But he started he like gave like so many good 1396 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:57.439 musicians got their start through Frank Zappa. 1397 01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:02.640 Un as far as just musically speaking, he was so 1398 01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:06.880 extimental and I think he's probably influenced so many people 1399 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:13.119 that probably wouldn't be playing music today. He's definitely he's eccentric. 1400 01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:17.199 He literally has albums called Shut Up and Play Your Guitar, 1401 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:20.920 and it's there's like four or five albums and they're 1402 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:25.399 literally nothing but guitar solos. It's just it's a band 1403 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:30.720 and just him just shredding for twenty minutes, I think. 1404 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:36.680 But like Terry Bosio, he would always somehow find child prodigies. 1405 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.920 In my opinion, like Terry Bozio is probably the one 1406 01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:44.039 of the greatest drummers ever and he started the Frank 1407 01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:48.159 Zappa Steve I started with Frank Zappa. 1408 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.880 Ye didn't Crosby Stils and Nash start with them? 1409 01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:58.159 One hundred jammed, He jammed with everybody and uh, Frank 1410 01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:02.840 Zappa even had like a beef with John Lennon because 1411 01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.479 you could find a little clip of him talking crap. 1412 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:10.239 So they did like a live show with Yoko Oh 1413 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.840 and John Lennon and uh Zappa. They played one of 1414 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:22.520 Zappa's songs and then on John Lenn's album he credited 1415 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:26.600 hisself that they wrote the song and he changed the 1416 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.000 title and everything, so. 1417 01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:31.479 They had like bad blood. 1418 01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:35.920 Well he just yeh friank. Zappa was kind of outspoken. 1419 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:38.239 He would just kind of like if you did something 1420 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:39.800 like that, he would just call you out on it. 1421 01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:42.800 Yeah, He's like, who this, who's this fucking Tavistock puke 1422 01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:43.359 coming out? 1423 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:45.079 Right? 1424 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.560 Yeah? I was gonna say because the Beatles were at 1425 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:52.000 some point hanging out with them, weren't they. 1426 01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:56.159 Yeah, there was some overlap there. I know Lennon was 1427 01:17:56.199 --> 01:18:01.279 there quite often. There was even there's Harry Nilsen right, yep, 1428 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:05.319 befriended the Beatles and there's some suspicious stuff that went 1429 01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:08.279 on with that guy and at his house one hundred. 1430 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.840 Wasn't that who Mama Cass was hanging out with when 1431 01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:12.880 she choked on the ham. 1432 01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:14.079 Sandwhich I think she did. 1433 01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:16.520 Quote unquote she choked on a ham sandwich. 1434 01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:20.279 Yeah, well, Mama Cass and then we're supposed to be 1435 01:18:20.359 --> 01:18:22.880 going over to the Tatehouse to have a party that night, 1436 01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:27.720 like that was right, and that's why Steve McQueen supposedly 1437 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:30.279 went by and got the drugs from the house before 1438 01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:31.239 the police got there. 1439 01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:35.479 There is, Lisa, Were you going to screen misterang just kidding? 1440 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:39.640 No, No, no, I was. I think I was going 1441 01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:41.800 to say something about something else. Oh, I was going 1442 01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:43.319 to make a joke because you were saying bad blood. 1443 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:47.000 I was like Taylor Swift bad blood. It was a 1444 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:47.520 bad joke. 1445 01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:49.479 No, it's a good joke. 1446 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:50.199 I like it. 1447 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:54.960 I appreciate it. And isn't it. Did her Man win 1448 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:55.760 the Super Bowl? 1449 01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:56.680 No? 1450 01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:59.279 No, no he did not. He did not want but 1451 01:18:59.319 --> 01:18:59.560 he did. 1452 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.119 Look on movie stori Is anyway, Yeah, I saw that. 1453 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:02.800 I saw that. 1454 01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:07.760 But I was gonna say somebody posted something about Yoko 1455 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:11.439 Ono a comment, oh that she was a psychopath. I 1456 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:14.479 actually do believe that. Have you ever heard the story 1457 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:17.840 of like what John Lennon, like what made him fall 1458 01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:20.000 in love with her? Have you guys heard this bullshit 1459 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:20.840 ass story? 1460 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:25.640 Oh guys, it's like mk algo, you saw sees a 1461 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:27.520 sign and says yes or something? 1462 01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:28.840 Right, Yeah, I. 1463 01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:33.359 Watch the right he goes to like an art exhibit 1464 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:36.279 and all this stuff is like really dark and really 1465 01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:39.760 like macabre, and there's like an art piece where you 1466 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:42.039 have to climb a ladder and go all the way 1467 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:43.920 to the top of the ladder to see like what 1468 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.239 the art piece is. And he thought he was going 1469 01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:47.560 to get to the top and it was going to 1470 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.279 say suck my dick or something like that, but instead 1471 01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:53.600 it said something really beautiful and positive, and he was like, 1472 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:55.600 I need to meet the person who made this, and 1473 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.399 it was Yoko's bitch ass, and I guess they just 1474 01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:01.239 fell in love after that. This is why I say 1475 01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:04.119 I think a lot of this stuff is actually made up. 1476 01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:07.600 I'm I'm almost ninety nine point nine percent certain that 1477 01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:11.319 John is trans at this point because he's he's like 1478 01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:15.159 John Dinver. He's small and dainty, kind of feminine. 1479 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:17.680 I don't know. There's a lot of people out there. 1480 01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:20.079 Who say all of them are, they're all training. 1481 01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:22.800 I can't like every We'll. 1482 01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:26.800 Never say George is a training. I love George. George 1483 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:28.039 is the best beetle. 1484 01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:31.920 Yeah, I don't know. I think there's inversion that goes on. 1485 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:32.520 But at the. 1486 01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:35.640 Level of Yoka was trans. 1487 01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:36.039 I mean i'd buy that way. 1488 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:37.079 Look at her. 1489 01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:41.520 Holy shit, I was gonna say something before that though. Oh, 1490 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.119 I think my favorite out of the Laurel Canyon is 1491 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.520 the mom's in the papas. I don't know if if 1492 01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:50.039 Janice is the honorable mention? Is she Laurel Canyon? 1493 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:54.000 Yeah? 1494 01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:56.119 Living really? Okay? Okay? 1495 01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:59.359 Oh yeah, she even died in a hotel that it 1496 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:00.920 was like, right, Aaron, Laurel Canyon. 1497 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:02.319 Is she twenty seven club? 1498 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:03.399 Yeah? 1499 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:08.159 Okay, So she supposedly died from this. She had the 1500 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.079 same heroine that supposedly Jim Morrison died. They had the 1501 01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:16.920 same heroin dealer who was the same dealer for the Stones, 1502 01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:20.079 and that dealer ended up dying from his own stuff. 1503 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:25.239 He was like a French like related to French royalty, 1504 01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:28.159 and he had like connections to Morocco and everything, and 1505 01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:31.560 he was like shipping stuff all over And I think. 1506 01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:33.239 She killed herself though sorry. 1507 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:34.039 I'm supposedly too. 1508 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:37.199 I don't think I think there was a lot of 1509 01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:42.039 I think heroin was becoming a thing around right after 1510 01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:46.319 the stuff. I think she was addicted to it, in 1511 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:48.439 my opinion, but. 1512 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:49.880 Like accidental overdose though. 1513 01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:55.159 Yeah, because his stuff was supposedly so strong that he 1514 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:56.840 even died from. 1515 01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:59.760 It, right, But they put her down as like a suicide, 1516 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.960 and I don't think she killed herself, no, Janet, Yeah, yeah, 1517 01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:06.520 I don't think Janice killed herself because she was about 1518 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:09.600 to get married. She was so happy. 1519 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:14.239 I could see her accidentally doing it. Maybe yes, maybe accidentally. 1520 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.159 Or maybe because she's part of the twenty seventh club, 1521 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:20.760 like she had it was her time to go, and 1522 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:22.680 they fucking set it up to make it look like. 1523 01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:23.279 Well. 1524 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:26.760 There was also blind Now Wilson who was a part 1525 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.359 of Yeah, he who was also the twenty seven club, 1526 01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:32.880 who's directly tied into Laurel kan I. 1527 01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:36.479 Mentioned that with William Ramsey if you go on the blog. 1528 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:38.520 I don't know if we could do a share screen 1529 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:41.840 or something, but there's this whole Laurel Kenyon death list 1530 01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:47.359 that he lists off the blog and blind Out Wilson 1531 01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:50.760 is on there, Janice is on there, Jimmy Hendrix is 1532 01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:53.199 on there. I mean, they're all there. But it's like, 1533 01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.359 it's just odd to me how many get ruled a 1534 01:22:55.479 --> 01:23:01.000 suicide when the circumstances around the quote unquote suicide are. 1535 01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:02.399 Just so suspicious. 1536 01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:06.039 It's like, there's no way these are all fucking suicides, 1537 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:12.920 Like you're not convincing me of that No way. 1538 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:14.239 One thing that I thought of when you were saying 1539 01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:16.560 twenty seven club. I mean you hear twenty seven club 1540 01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:19.319 over and over and over, right, But you know what 1541 01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:22.960 people haven't talked about people who die at seventy two? 1542 01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:24.760 Seventy two? 1543 01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:27.159 Yeah, because twenty so make it that. 1544 01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:28.560 Long out of the Laurel Canyon. 1545 01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:33.680 John Wayne was seventy two, and so is Frank Sinatra. 1546 01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:36.479 Ew Old Blue Eyes. 1547 01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:39.119 I was gonna sayid, but I think he was seventy one. 1548 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:40.760 Well. 1549 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:42.760 I always liked the ones that die at either twenty 1550 01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.239 six or twenty eight because it's like, uh, you almost 1551 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:45.640 had it. 1552 01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:48.800 I think anybody who dies in their twenties, well, I 1553 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:50.560 mean you could Phoenix. 1554 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:53.279 There's a lot of It's like twenty six to thirty 1555 01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:55.800 two is the one where it's basically all of them, 1556 01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:56.560 like ow. 1557 01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.560 Old, what wasn't Kurt thirty three? 1558 01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:00.239 Who Kirk. 1559 01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:02.319 Club? 1560 01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:02.960 Oh my god? 1561 01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:03.520 See? 1562 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:06.039 And uh, what's her name? 1563 01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:11.880 Amy Winehouse? Yeah, Brandon Jones kind of kicked it off 1564 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:15.000 because they do say that what's the guy's name? 1565 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:15.239 Oh? 1566 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.520 I used to love him, did the he had the 1567 01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:20.119 Crossroads legend. He was a blues guitarist. 1568 01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:21.840 Oh is Robert Johnson? 1569 01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:23.359 Yeah, Robert Johnnson. 1570 01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:25.960 It was twenty seven, wasn't he the o G twenty 1571 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:28.239 seventh club though? That's why they put it in No brother, 1572 01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:30.479 We're arty. I sold my soul to the devil. 1573 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:32.199 Yeah, he sposed like the first one. 1574 01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:35.000 Yeah, mm hmmm. He taught me how to play this 1575 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:35.960 guitar reel. 1576 01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:38.079 I read a book a while back that kind of 1577 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:41.920 tied some old classical European musicians into it too. There's a. 1578 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:48.960 Really what I mean, I guess do you think it's real? Though? 1579 01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:50.800 It's the real as we wanted to be? 1580 01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:55.479 How old was Selena? She was young, twenty two? I 1581 01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:56.079 think I. 1582 01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:58.640 Think it's like Amy Winehouse is a part of it. 1583 01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:02.720 Mids much are all the elders die at seventy two? 1584 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:07.239 That's interesting over there, con cocted some ship. 1585 01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:10.840 I was sorry I was that. I found that deathly 1586 01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:11.840 Oh cool? 1587 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:14.399 Yeah, So if you look on there, Nick, I don't 1588 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:17.079 know if you can share screen or not, but there 1589 01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:19.760 are so many deaths that get ruled a suicide out 1590 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.840 of the canyon, and a lot of them have like 1591 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:29.800 real weird like circumstances around the suicide, Like do you 1592 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:33.319 did you listen to that episode I did with William Ramsey. 1593 01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:35.079 Do you know what I'm talking about? 1594 01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:35.319 Right? 1595 01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:38.640 Like it's like, oh, it was ruled the suicide, but well. 1596 01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:43.680 Yeah, one of their lot, the Brothers band, one of 1597 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:46.800 the guys gotten a wipeout and his motorcycle at an intersection. 1598 01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:48.920 And then it was like almost a year I think 1599 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:51.880 it was almost a year later they the other guy 1600 01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:53.359 did it too, and they said his was. 1601 01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:56.800 A suicide, right, see what I mean, like. 1602 01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:58.840 He ran it purpose because he was so depressed about 1603 01:25:58.880 --> 01:25:59.840 his bandmate dying. 1604 01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:02.000 You know what I think if they're going to rule 1605 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:05.039 some of these suicides would have been an interesting one 1606 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:07.319 with Mama cass As. She killed herself on a ham 1607 01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:11.520 sandwhich just to like humiliate her because they always made 1608 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:12.640 fun of how fat she was. 1609 01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:14.840 Oh she lost all the weight by then. 1610 01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:17.960 I wonder, you know how like they had a scribbled 1611 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:24.439 pig on Sharon Tates I thing the whole ham pork. 1612 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:26.960 Old shoes, especially because she was supposed to be there 1613 01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:27.359 that night. 1614 01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:31.279 Oh my god, you think that's what I thought? 1615 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:33.640 Oh that is so crazy. 1616 01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:39.199 You left out piggy. We'll get you at the ham sandwich. 1617 01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:45.319 Well there's there's a cure was black and honey baked 1618 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:49.800 for sure. There's speculation that it doesn't say pig, that 1619 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:53.399 it says pick, as in Pick Dawson, who is supposed 1620 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:54.720 to be one of the drug dealers. 1621 01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:55.720 Mmm. 1622 01:26:56.399 --> 01:26:59.720 I like the pig better because it makes Mama Cass's 1623 01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:04.159 ham sandwich make more sense. But I also think that 1624 01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:06.479 they just put a sacrificial pig. 1625 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.520 All right, Teresa, she's on one. 1626 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:12.520 Uh, Teresa, where the fuck are you? By the way, 1627 01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:16.119 she's in the commons section, but she can't draw up, 1628 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:22.239 I know. But there was a story about Mama Cass 1629 01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:25.439 where it was like they met her because she was 1630 01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:29.920 like working at a bar or something, and like you 1631 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:31.920 know the story I always tell she got like bonked 1632 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:33.479 on the head by a pipe and then all of 1633 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:36.439 a sudden she could just start singing real good and 1634 01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:39.960 they But the real story is they grew up with 1635 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:41.760 her on a military base. 1636 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:43.920 They were friends with her from childhood. 1637 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.039 Nick Morrison was in their kindergarten class. 1638 01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:51.960 So the whole pipe and get balked. And but it's 1639 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:55.760 like I said that, it's it's not like they're talentless. 1640 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:58.479 Like they know they wouldn't pick talentless people that Bob 1641 01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:01.479 Dylan got in like a motor cycle or a car accident, 1642 01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.720 and he claimed that his voice got was better after 1643 01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:05.800 the car accident, or. 1644 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:07.000 Well, it could only improve. 1645 01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:09.600 Oh god, I was gonna say, was that the improved? 1646 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.439 And I'm above I'm a Bob Dylan fan. I think 1647 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:13.880 the guy can sing when he wants to. 1648 01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:17.479 Did you hear him in that Michael Jackson song We 1649 01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:23.359 Are the World? I don't know. I don't think he's that. 1650 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:25.960 I think he can write very well, but. 1651 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:28.600 Listen to his country stuff. He can sing. 1652 01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:31.359 Was it before or after the accident? 1653 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:32.560 I didn't even know about that? 1654 01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:36.560 Was he Laurel Kenyon? 1655 01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:39.439 I mean, my grandpa always used to make fun of 1656 01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:43.000 him because he thought he couldn't sing, ever, and used 1657 01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:45.760 to laugh that he used to claim that after the 1658 01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.319 accident that he could sing better, And my grandpa would 1659 01:28:48.319 --> 01:28:51.920 always make fun of Bob Dylan being able to sing 1660 01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:52.960 after the accident. 1661 01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:59.399 I mean, I guess, I guess he can technically sing, 1662 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:02.359 but I mean it's not great. 1663 01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:04.039 I'll say that it's not great. 1664 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:08.479 There was another Laurel Canyon scene though going around on 1665 01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:12.199 the around the same time, though in Memphis and Nashville, though, 1666 01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:14.119 wasn't there in the sixties. 1667 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:17.720 I've never looked into it. I know Sean mccantuk's yeah. 1668 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:19.720 Sean and I talked about it a little bit. But 1669 01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:21.640 that's where you get like a lot of like the 1670 01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:26.840 big country stars, and it was really like very Laurel canyonesque. 1671 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:31.279 How they all kind of came out together. And I 1672 01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:36.279 think the Birds actually tried to play at somewhere in 1673 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:39.039 Nashville and they got like boot off the stage. And 1674 01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:41.159 there was like this whole thing where it was trying 1675 01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:45.800 to turn the hippie culture against the country culture and 1676 01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:50.079 like create division because you know, at that time they 1677 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:52.840 were calling them long hairs and shit like that, and 1678 01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:56.600 the country scene was like straight laced and clean cut, 1679 01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:59.600 and it was like hippies are trying to infiltrate, and 1680 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:03.760 like the whole country scene versus the hipp scene was 1681 01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:05.000 like dividing conquered. 1682 01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:09.039 Neil Young and Leonard Skinner remember the end of Easy Rider. 1683 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:13.760 Yeah, they're riding through the South and they. 1684 01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:16.760 Henry Lucases look alike picks him off with the shot. 1685 01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:21.159 A bunch of hippies, right, So. 1686 01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:23.079 I mean I think that it was kind of like 1687 01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.560 I think Nick asked earlier, what do you think that 1688 01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:28.840 they were trying to accomplish with this? And I think 1689 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:31.560 they had so many games running on people at the 1690 01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:36.319 same time, like country music scene, hippie culture, and like 1691 01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:39.760 the serial killers started popping up out of nowhere. It 1692 01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:41.840 was just such a time to be alive. I'm surprised 1693 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:44.279 anybody fucking made it out. 1694 01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:46.760 A little bit before the hippie scene. Was the beat 1695 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:47.479 nick scene? 1696 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:52.640 Yeah, she mentioned Los Alamos earlier. Who was it you said? 1697 01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:55.439 One of the beat Knicks came out of there? Was 1698 01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:56.119 it Burrows? 1699 01:30:57.119 --> 01:30:58.079 It was what Aga? 1700 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:00.720 Maybe william S Burrow's Burrows. 1701 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.000 It was also big into occultism. 1702 01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:05.640 Yeah, so you have title lear too. 1703 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:10.640 Yeah. Burrows was famous for chaos, magic and stuff, and 1704 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:15.560 he had a method of writing where he you and 1705 01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:20.000 David Bowie used this to actually create his lyrics where 1706 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:24.199 you basically cut random words out and you just place 1707 01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:29.720 him and the chaos basically is what creates the lyrics. 1708 01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:34.079 And there's a whole video of David Bowie demonstrating how 1709 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:35.720 he does it and how you do it, and how 1710 01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:42.640 he got it from Williams Burrows. What sh me, no, no, no, no, 1711 01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:44.359 I'll get you the name of it here. I can't 1712 01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:45.279 remember the name of it. 1713 01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:46.640 He sent it to me and I watched that. 1714 01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:49.720 Actually they had and it was I think it was 1715 01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:53.640 an old boys school initially, if not in its entirety, 1716 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:56.119 but they had something and it was like ages twelve 1717 01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.239 to eighteen or something. But they had something kind of 1718 01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:02.640 like a kind to the Boy Scouts, and that when 1719 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:05.840 you graduated from high school you would basically obtain first 1720 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.439 rank in the Boy Scouts, or it was a requirement 1721 01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:13.439 to graduate to have a rank in the Boy Scouts 1722 01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:16.279 at this school in Los Alamos. But yeah, it was 1723 01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:20.159 Roy Chapman, who basically was CEO of American Motor Corporation, 1724 01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:25.680 Shirling Colegate, which you know we know that is william 1725 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:29.039 S Burrows Bill Veeck, which was the owner of the 1726 01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:33.399 Chicago White Sox. He also had Gorbadal, who was grandson 1727 01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:38.479 of Senator Thomas Gore. Arthur roberts Wood. 1728 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:43.399 Sounds for saying like Colegate, as in. 1729 01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:54.239 Toothpaste, like Agail Folder, like Abigail Folger, so. 1730 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.960 The toothpaste guy. 1731 01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:03.039 He was one of the family member. Nothing saw the Colgate, 1732 01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:04.640 but hey. 1733 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:07.039 I swear to God, there's an episode of Ghost Adventures 1734 01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:07.560 about him. 1735 01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:14.800 So it came out I think when they were doing 1736 01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:20.680 an expose on what was the name of Susan Jiski 1737 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:23.399 from YouTube or something. 1738 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:25.840 This YouTube video is gonna get cut for sure. 1739 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:31.399 Her Anne Wojiske, who is the owner or the developer 1740 01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:35.840 of twenty three and meters, was the ex wife of 1741 01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:40.079 serge A Brynn, who was the guy who invented a Google. Okay, well, 1742 01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:43.600 they were talking about Anne and Susan's mom or grandmother, 1743 01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:45.840 that she was kind of like the mom to all 1744 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:48.920 of these people in big tech, and that you could 1745 01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:54.399 basically link back all the founders of big tech type things, 1746 01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:57.279 whether you know, name it, they had a connection to 1747 01:33:57.359 --> 01:34:00.600 their mom, and that all of them, somehow or another 1748 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:04.520 exposed their children to some sort of mk ultra program 1749 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:08.840 because they themselves, as mothers or whatever were exposed as well. 1750 01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:12.039 And so it got me thinking, if this happened with 1751 01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:16.399 big tech, surely this happened with the musician cub celebrities, 1752 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:21.399 or the movie celebrities, or even with the military. And 1753 01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:24.920 I think this is just a continuation of this is 1754 01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:27.439 what's happening, this is what's in our family. So I 1755 01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:29.560 don't think it's far fetched at all to think that 1756 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:34.479 these children were exposed or brought up within that same framework. 1757 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:37.640 Yeah, I mean I find it over and over again, 1758 01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:41.239 even the episode we just did Lisa about Adolfo, Like, 1759 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:45.079 is it's generational for sure? I mean that will come 1760 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:47.680 out of the fucking woodwork, like they'd make you believe, 1761 01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:50.840 and you know they're just you know, crazy people that 1762 01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:53.680 came out of nowhere. But I mean that, So we 1763 01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:58.039 got the toothpaste guy and the guy and somehow David 1764 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:03.239 Bowen learned after Somebody, Oh you mess Burrows Burrows Jesus good. 1765 01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:07.960 Yeah, and the technique that Williams Burrows It's called the 1766 01:35:08.039 --> 01:35:12.840 cut up technique and it's like a chaos magic technique 1767 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:18.159 and David Bowie almost exclusively used it in the seventies 1768 01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:19.039 for his lyrics. 1769 01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:22.359 So that what's that one song that he is just 1770 01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:24.680 like completely while all of his songs are. 1771 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:30.600 But so he would like take his diary or like 1772 01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:34.800 his like future thoughts, and then he would just randomly 1773 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:38.720 cut the words out from that and then he said 1774 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:41.159 that like it would like tell his future and all 1775 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:41.960 kinds of stuff. 1776 01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:46.319 Is there life on Mars. I never did understand that 1777 01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:50.600 motherfucker but it's still like, what were you saying about 1778 01:35:50.680 --> 01:35:53.439 David Bowie the other day, Like he didn't believe in whatever, 1779 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.199 Like he sold an image to people that he did. 1780 01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:59.960 Oh yeah, I mean he kind of had some stuff 1781 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:01.760 he was saying at the end of his life where 1782 01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:05.640 he's so it reminds me of Kurt Cobain. He was 1783 01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:09.319 so willing to make it and get famous that he 1784 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:12.600 embraced all of the dark shit. And I think he 1785 01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:16.439 kind of had a you know, I regret later in 1786 01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:19.520 life because he said some things and I can't think 1787 01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:21.399 of exactly what it was, just that he was kind 1788 01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:26.319 of sorry that he did. But yeah, Bowie and Burrows, 1789 01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:28.119 some of the stuff you're just saying, it reminds me 1790 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:30.960 of Rick Rubin, like some of his techniques that he'll 1791 01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:35.960 use in recording studios. Right, he's a I mean, if 1792 01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:38.960 you can name like somebody famous out of the last 1793 01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:40.920 forty years, he probably had a hand in it. 1794 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:42.319 He writes songs. 1795 01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:47.159 No, he's he's as Sanford. But he now has a podcast. Right, 1796 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.520 what is it Tetragramaton or something like that. 1797 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:55.039 Oh I've never heard, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have never heard. 1798 01:36:55.560 --> 01:37:00.279 William S. Burrows would record messages and words, right, he 1799 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:03.960 would just record gibberish and random words and everything, and 1800 01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:07.039 then he would cut the film and then put it 1801 01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:13.359 together and then the random words would mean something. That's 1802 01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:17.520 where it comes from. So that's where Rick Rubin is 1803 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:21.800 hitting that. He's like he would he cuts, like he'll 1804 01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:25.079 just record random stuff and then they'll they'll cut parts 1805 01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:27.399 of that out and then place it and make a 1806 01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:29.000 whole song out of randomness. 1807 01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:33.640 Basically, No, I mean it makes sense to me. Like 1808 01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:37.279 I said before, is their life on Mars? I fucking 1809 01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:41.239 love that song, but it makes zero sense, you know 1810 01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:42.119 what I'm talking about. 1811 01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:47.479 I mean, watch the video on it's on YouTube, David 1812 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:50.159 Bowie talking about cut up technique. It's literally like a 1813 01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:54.000 minute a minute long, and you can see there's like 1814 01:37:54.199 --> 01:37:56.680 lines of coke on the table and everything while he's 1815 01:37:56.760 --> 01:37:57.520 talking about it. 1816 01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:01.279 Well, what do you think about them saying stuff about 1817 01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:05.119 like and this could be all made up? But they 1818 01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:08.640 take like the master and they do these rituals on 1819 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:11.880 it and they mass produce it. So anytime you listen 1820 01:38:11.960 --> 01:38:16.439 to it, you're getting demonized. And do you guys think 1821 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:19.159 that there's something to that or like, what what are 1822 01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:19.800 your thoughts? 1823 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:23.199 I think so I have heard that. 1824 01:38:23.319 --> 01:38:28.039 Supposedly sometimes these records even get pressed depending on astrological times. 1825 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:31.640 Right, Okay, so you do think like because I can't 1826 01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:33.560 remember who it was, but it was like a guy 1827 01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:36.720 who said they would take like the master and they 1828 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:38.880 would take it into like a secret room and they 1829 01:38:38.880 --> 01:38:44.000 would have like a literal ritual and they would infuse 1830 01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:46.479 it with I don't know, I mean you heard. 1831 01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:47.960 This right, Yeah? 1832 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:53.039 Really I had the video say I'll give you the 1833 01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:53.760 name of the guy. 1834 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:57.560 Oh you know what I'm talking about specifically, Okay. 1835 01:38:57.880 --> 01:39:01.000 One thing that I all right, I'll put it this way. 1836 01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:04.159 I would not doubt that happens with music because of 1837 01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:06.960 just the simple fact Lon Milo Duquette comes out and 1838 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:08.520 emits I'm pretty sure in his book or on a 1839 01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:12.119 podcast that he did that with his tarot deck to 1840 01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:12.960 sell more tarot. 1841 01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.880 So many that fucking dude's doing it. Why wouldn't the 1842 01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:17.199 people be doing it with other products? 1843 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:19.000 Right? 1844 01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:21.560 Or like if you I think it's like if you 1845 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:26.520 play him backwards or something, there's like hidden messages. 1846 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.600 Oh yeah, that's a whole other thing. Like I know 1847 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:35.399 the Beatles were experimenting with that. Apparently there's some indication 1848 01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:37.279 that they admit that Paul died. 1849 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:40.359 Ok, God, they need to admit it. 1850 01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:41.680 I don't know. 1851 01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:44.720 There's the whole Stairway to Heaven thing where if you 1852 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:49.479 play spring Clean for the may Queen backwards, it's something 1853 01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:50.640 about my sweet Satan. 1854 01:39:51.079 --> 01:39:52.319 Oh, for God's sake. 1855 01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:53.960 I think a lot of that stuff you could just 1856 01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:56.680 kind of happen upon. But I mean they were doing 1857 01:39:56.760 --> 01:40:00.880 it well, like Danzig on the on the first album. 1858 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:05.239 If like the song Possessed, if you play it backwards, 1859 01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:09.359 it's there's a Latin exorcism prayer if you play the 1860 01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:14.399 record backwards, like legit Yeah, the song Possessed, if you 1861 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:19.960 play it backwards, it's legitimately a Latin exorcism prayer. 1862 01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:24.680 That's crazy, but it actually says words when it's playing. 1863 01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:27.520 It's actually the actual exorcism prayer. 1864 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:28.960 Okay, does it sound? 1865 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:34.520 Song is supposed to be like summoning a demon, and 1866 01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:40.319 if you play it backwards, you're you're doing the exorcism prayer. Basically, 1867 01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:41.439 remind me never. 1868 01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:42.600 To download that ship. 1869 01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:45.199 We could go get the vinybl I don't want it. 1870 01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:47.479 So is that misfits or solo stuff. 1871 01:40:48.039 --> 01:40:51.319 It's the first album, the one with Mother and Twisted Cane. 1872 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:54.279 Okay, I think I might have that one. 1873 01:40:54.600 --> 01:41:01.000 Oh my god, but that that's that song is very creepy. 1874 01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:07.000 If you play it backwards, sounds just sounds like it. 1875 01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:12.279 Somebody wrote in the comments that they also watched that. 1876 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:14.159 I don't know if it was an interview or what 1877 01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:16.720 it was. It was a recording of that producer who 1878 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:20.159 said they take the master and they put I guess 1879 01:41:20.239 --> 01:41:22.760 they cast spells on it, is what they said in 1880 01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:23.479 the comments. 1881 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:26.479 I think I put it up actually earlier. 1882 01:41:28.039 --> 01:41:33.920 Yeah, I heard it on Instagram, so it must be true, right, 1883 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:41.359 I hear. I hear all kinds of stuff on Instagram 1884 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:42.079 these days. 1885 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:46.760 So do do you think, uh if this well one? 1886 01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:49.319 I actually do agree with some of these people. 1887 01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:52.359 I think, like I wouldn't say act well kind of actors, yeah, 1888 01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:56.239 or I think they're put out there. They might actually 1889 01:41:56.319 --> 01:41:59.760 have somewhat talent and they you know, perform, But I 1890 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:03.399 think sometimes like their life story and how it ended, 1891 01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:05.159 I think could be fabricated. 1892 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:09.800 Mean too, yeah, because it's like would they be as 1893 01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:12.760 famous as they are if they didn't die in like 1894 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:18.239 some tragic way like Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain. I mean Yeah, 1895 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:20.960 they might, they might still be famous. Oh would you say, 1896 01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:26.960 Mike hen Right, It's like would they be who they 1897 01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:29.279 are if they didn't. It's like part of the deal 1898 01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:29.760 that they. 1899 01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:33.479 Have to die in this horrible way to like, I 1900 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:35.600 don't know. When we're talking to John Gusty, who she 1901 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:38.720 mentioned earlier, he's worked in like on the production end 1902 01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:43.199 of music, and he says that he's witnessed straight up 1903 01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:48.640 that the artist wants to step away and they're given 1904 01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:52.039 some options like we can fake your death, you can 1905 01:42:52.119 --> 01:42:55.520 be replaced by somebody who looks just like you, or 1906 01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:58.479 you know, you die and you don't get any of 1907 01:42:58.520 --> 01:42:59.760 the royalties. 1908 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:01.239 But you have to take a different name. 1909 01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:03.319 Yeah, And so I don't know. I think like there's 1910 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:06.520 some interesting ones. I don't think Morgan Freeman was Jimmy Hendrix, 1911 01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:09.399 but one that I like that within the last couple 1912 01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:13.359 of years Morrison becoming Rush Limbaugh. That one's kind of 1913 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:17.439 fun because if you I mean, I I do think 1914 01:43:17.560 --> 01:43:20.199 that Bill Hicks is Alex Jones. And I laughed at 1915 01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:22.600 people when I first heard that. It's one of those 1916 01:43:22.640 --> 01:43:24.680 that you're like, fuck off, because I love both of them. 1917 01:43:25.239 --> 01:43:29.039 I did, like right around the early two thousands and 1918 01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:32.000 Bill hicks Man Forever. But I do think that they 1919 01:43:32.119 --> 01:43:34.920 do really do stuff like that, So yeah, who knows 1920 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:37.920 what really happens, and maybe some of them do get 1921 01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:39.439 killed because they don't want to play. 1922 01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:41.520 Well, if you had to put a percentage on it, 1923 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:43.720 like how many of these people actually die? Are you 1924 01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:47.359 going to say like ten percent, fifty percent die and 1925 01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:52.000 fifty percent get repurposed. Sure, so you're saying, so you're 1926 01:43:52.039 --> 01:43:55.359 telling me there's a chance that Janice is still alive. 1927 01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:58.960 Probably not now, I love Janie, she lived rough. 1928 01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:05.520 Yeah, that whole like deciding that you're done and you 1929 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:10.359 have whatever. I think it plays into the whole Plus 1930 01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:17.680 Ultra Hyperspace never Land persona. And you'll you all have 1931 01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:18.000 heard of. 1932 01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:19.960 That right kinda? 1933 01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:23.840 I mean not really, not to the degree you probably do. 1934 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:27.680 You know, like that movie Finding Neverland. 1935 01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:31.520 Yeah, yeah, mh. 1936 01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:35.960 And it was like leaving this dimension or this realm 1937 01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:39.920 and going to another realm. And that's kind of one 1938 01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:43.119 of the I guess the founding things that there was 1939 01:44:43.159 --> 01:44:47.079 a society called Plus Ultra that Nikola Tesla, Walt Disney, 1940 01:44:47.199 --> 01:44:50.000 all these people belonged to, and they believe that once 1941 01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:53.279 they were done here, they they merited enough to leave 1942 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:58.560 and go into another hyperspace. So you think they're they're 1943 01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:02.920 actually it's thought kind of like Atlas Shrugged almost. 1944 01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:06.439 Yeah, but you think like they're dead or you think 1945 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:10.399 they're they're repurposed, or like what do you think? 1946 01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:13.079 I think? 1947 01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:14.000 I don't know. 1948 01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:15.119 I think it depends. 1949 01:45:15.279 --> 01:45:17.960 It depends if they can make enough money off of 1950 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:21.439 them already, just as is, they'll they'll kill them off, 1951 01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:24.159 you know, because they don't need them, or if they 1952 01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:28.079 are some like family blood tie, then they have an 1953 01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:32.119 option to kind of get repurposed or reabsorbed into a 1954 01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:36.079 different thing. I think it just depends money and blood 1955 01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:36.960 always talk. 1956 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.479 Right, right, because it's like we were saying earlier, like 1957 01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:43.520 with like Crosby and some of these guys whose family 1958 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:46.079 trees go all the way back to the beginning of time. 1959 01:45:46.199 --> 01:45:48.760 You know, if they were going to fake a suicide 1960 01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:51.119 on him, they'd probably give him the option of like 1961 01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:54.920 just becoming a different person or some shit. But Janis 1962 01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:58.600 was just a drugged out crackhead, and so she you know, 1963 01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:01.199 she probably didn't get that lug or they brought killed 1964 01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:02.279 her as I. 1965 01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:05.039 Got a question for you. Then, Okay, so if they 1966 01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:08.000 just kill Yeah, So if they just kill them, all right, 1967 01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:11.399 and then like give him a new identity or whatever, Right, 1968 01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:15.439 why not just kill off Paul McCartney, replace him with 1969 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:18.640 a completely new member and make him like a complete 1970 01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:23.479 huge legend instead of, you know, supposedly replacing him with 1971 01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:27.119 a lookalike. And he died in a car accident everything, 1972 01:46:27.159 --> 01:46:29.520 why cover up him? But then all of a sudden, 1973 01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:33.920 like uh, James Droplin. 1974 01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:36.239 Before I answered the question, can I ask you if you. 1975 01:46:36.319 --> 01:46:37.439 Think he was replaced? 1976 01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:39.239 I think he was replaced. 1977 01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:42.560 I think he was replaced too. And to answer your question, 1978 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:43.800 I have no fucking idea. 1979 01:46:43.920 --> 01:46:47.039 Well, that one is because if I had to think 1980 01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:50.720 about it, you would say, like the Beatles had, there 1981 01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:53.600 was so much stock in them at that point. And 1982 01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:57.960 I mean, if they had this bizarre accident where it 1983 01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.520 wasn't you know, it wasn't anything they planned and they 1984 01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:03.600 wanted to keep that gravy train rolling, And if they 1985 01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:06.239 really did replace him, I think they did. That's another 1986 01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:08.439 one that I kind of scoffed at in the beginning. Now, 1987 01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:10.600 I mean, shit, the guy's like for it, just taller. 1988 01:47:10.760 --> 01:47:13.119 He's taller, and he's a way better musician. 1989 01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:15.680 Well, that's the thing is they found somebody who actually 1990 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:20.399 was the best musician in the band all said and done. So, 1991 01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:22.479 I mean, you listened to some of the Beatles' early 1992 01:47:22.600 --> 01:47:27.159 stuff and Paul McCartney's baselines are okay, and he went 1993 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:30.279 he went from being the smiley, bubbly one you know 1994 01:47:30.439 --> 01:47:33.600 him and Ringo up there, and he completely changed. He 1995 01:47:33.640 --> 01:47:36.760 doesn't look the same. But yeah, I think that each 1996 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:40.439 situation would be unique. Like if they're the one who 1997 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:43.279 choose to do the replacing and killing, it seems like 1998 01:47:43.359 --> 01:47:45.119 that one was just kind of out of their control. 1999 01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:49.920 Well like for like Morrison, right, so for your argument, 2000 01:47:50.239 --> 01:47:53.399 like nobody ever saw his body, right, nobody of the 2001 01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:57.560 band members. Nobody ever technically saw his body. And some 2002 01:47:57.720 --> 01:47:59.680 of the band members even found that kind of odd, 2003 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.600 like I can't I think it was the keyboard player. 2004 01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:08.520 I think he was like, well, how do I know 2005 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:11.119 he really died? We haven't even seen him? 2006 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:15.680 Yeah, exactly, And who else was it that they? Oh, 2007 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:18.520 like Elvis, They said there was weird stuff about like 2008 01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:25.199 his corpse quote unquote was like melting in the casket 2009 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:29.119 or some shit like that. Like they were like, since 2010 01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:34.079 Whendy dead body sweat there is just weird stuff, you know, 2011 01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:37.119 So I just don't. That was a really good example though, 2012 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:39.840 like why would they replace Paul McCartney if they could just. 2013 01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:43.960 Like, you know, I think my thing is like, but 2014 01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:47.960 if he dies tragically, look at how legendary that is, like, 2015 01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:50.960 but it makes so much better, right. 2016 01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:52.399 Well they save that for Lennon? 2017 01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:54.079 Yeah, yeah they did. 2018 01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:56.359 They care you go, you're right, there, you go, there 2019 01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:56.600 you go. 2020 01:48:57.159 --> 01:48:58.720 They gave Georgia cancer death. 2021 01:48:59.760 --> 01:48:59.960 Yeah. 2022 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:02.199 I don't know. I think John Lennon could be one 2023 01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:03.600 of those that's not really gay. 2024 01:49:03.439 --> 01:49:06.199 To ring go out because he's a fucking useless ass. 2025 01:49:07.039 --> 01:49:08.640 He had to be on Thomas the train. 2026 01:49:12.359 --> 01:49:14.640 That was part of his script. 2027 01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:17.520 Lisa, were you going to say something a minute ago 2028 01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:19.119 about this? No? 2029 01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:19.560 I was. 2030 01:49:19.800 --> 01:49:21.840 I was going to say something about like it wouldn't 2031 01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:24.239 isn't it weird? How like with Paul McCartney, he ends 2032 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:25.920 up owning all this music? 2033 01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:27.840 What is it like? 2034 01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:30.960 He owns all of Frank Sinatra's music, all of the 2035 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:32.000 Beatles music. 2036 01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:34.880 He was Michael Jackson. 2037 01:49:35.039 --> 01:49:38.479 Jackson, he was they actually helped falling out over some 2038 01:49:38.600 --> 01:49:39.199 of that stuff. 2039 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:44.159 And apparently that he died shortly after right that, I 2040 01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:47.279 guess the claim was that Michael Jackson had gone bankrupt 2041 01:49:47.800 --> 01:49:53.039 and that Paul had offered to buy his music back 2042 01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:55.359 or something, because I think Paul used to. 2043 01:49:55.439 --> 01:50:00.760 Own all of Michael Jackson's right, Yeah, I remember incorrectly. 2044 01:50:01.239 --> 01:50:04.960 Well, Michael Jackson bought some cocoono I think, and he 2045 01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:07.319 ended up having the majority at some point, and I 2046 01:50:07.439 --> 01:50:09.600 know that's when he sold it to the Paloss shoes 2047 01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:14.239 commercial and Paul McCartney was like, the song's about revolution, 2048 01:50:14.439 --> 01:50:17.760 it's not about selling shoes. And they you know, they 2049 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:19.760 did a song together. They were supposed to be Buddy 2050 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:22.399 Buddy and then but yeah, near the end of Michael 2051 01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:25.920 Jackson's life, what what he was Apple Music. It was 2052 01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:27.119 one of the big ones. 2053 01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:33.399 Because everybody hates Sony like even. 2054 01:50:37.039 --> 01:50:41.199 And then he sold it to Apple. Oh, he sold 2055 01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:42.920 the entire catalog to Apple. 2056 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:45.920 And that's when it became such a big deal that 2057 01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:48.720 you could get Beatles on iTunes. I remember when that happened. 2058 01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:52.600 And that has now happened to Pink Floyd. I believe 2059 01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:56.159 Google bought Pink Floyd or Apple bought Pink Floyd. Now 2060 01:50:57.199 --> 01:51:04.800 they sold her name, catalog and everything and and look alike. 2061 01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:06.800 So even probably AI and everything. 2062 01:51:09.800 --> 01:51:12.039 Paul McCartney also owns Buddy how Lee's music. 2063 01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:15.680 Oh does he Well that makes a ton of But. 2064 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:18.880 My whole point is that it's amazing how he comes 2065 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:22.079 into the situation of owning all of this music. 2066 01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:23.960 You know what I mean if he was like a 2067 01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:25.359 faux member of the band. 2068 01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:27.680 Well not really because he became a better musician, but 2069 01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:29.840 you know what I mean, Like, it's so weird how 2070 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:34.199 he somehow positions himself to profit off of so much, 2071 01:51:36.920 --> 01:51:38.439 you know, not being an original member. 2072 01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:42.960 Have you got from the Super Bowl yesterday with Adam Sandler? 2073 01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.800 He was sitting next to Adam Sandler and they're all 2074 01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:48.039 like pointing to each other and everything. 2075 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:55.439 Oh my god, what so what was the thing about? Like, uh, 2076 01:51:56.560 --> 01:51:58.960 do you guys know who Jay Widner is. He does 2077 01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:03.600 a lot of stuff about like the Shining and like 2078 01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:05.359 Quebrick and stuff like that. 2079 01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:08.520 Yeah, he's Nick just had writer Leon They made that 2080 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:09.840 movie together, right. 2081 01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:15.039 So Jay Widner has talked extensively about how they replaced Paul, 2082 01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:18.760 and like, I guess if you talk to this new 2083 01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:22.399 Paul about it, like he gets all you know, weird 2084 01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:25.560 and shit and like won't even bring it up, won't 2085 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:26.159 discuss it. 2086 01:52:26.239 --> 01:52:27.239 Won't talk about it. 2087 01:52:27.680 --> 01:52:31.960 I mean, the guy I like the Wings too, you know, 2088 01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:34.840 and he didn't he like write a bunch of music 2089 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:39.159 for Ringo and shit after they split up. Okay, well, 2090 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:41.640 I'm just saying he was. Whoever replaced him was a 2091 01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:45.079 great was a really great musician. Yeah, so what he 2092 01:52:45.239 --> 01:52:48.680 married a chick with no legs. But I mean, I 2093 01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:49.760 think he's a cool guy. 2094 01:52:50.680 --> 01:52:52.840 I don't know. I always thought there was a real 2095 01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:57.039 darkness to Paul myself. He's the Walrus, He's I don't 2096 01:52:57.039 --> 01:52:58.119 think he's a good dude at all. 2097 01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:03.399 Knighted by the Queen of England herself. 2098 01:53:04.439 --> 01:53:07.520 Yeah, that's true. That is true. 2099 01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:11.079 All right. 2100 01:53:11.079 --> 01:53:13.119 I think I'm gonna probably wrap it up here. Actually, 2101 01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:16.279 if you guys, it's almost close to two hours. Thought 2102 01:53:16.279 --> 01:53:19.479 that was good. Thank you very much, Julian and Colby. 2103 01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:21.840 I really appreciate that. I had a really good time, 2104 01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:26.279 like I expected, had a lot of good laughs. Mike Thrash, 2105 01:53:26.479 --> 01:53:28.279 appreciate it. Love when you guys are on and I 2106 01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:30.920 knew this was a topic that you'd both be into. Lisa, 2107 01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:34.800 thank you very much. As usual, always appreciate your input. 2108 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:38.520 Kolby will go with you. First, let everybody know where 2109 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:39.720 they can find your amazing stuff. 2110 01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:45.239 Please, Conspiracy, play time and disinformation. You can find those 2111 01:53:45.279 --> 01:53:47.840 where you find them. I'm pretty much everywhere with the 2112 01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:51.880 first one. Second ones harder to find, but we do 2113 01:53:52.039 --> 01:53:53.600 do that one more often, and it's more of like 2114 01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:56.720 political satire shit talking, and it's it's you know, we 2115 01:53:56.800 --> 01:53:59.279 do sprinkle conspiracy in there because it's Dusty and I 2116 01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:01.880 and Julie and I are going to be doing a 2117 01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:04.840 show together. I'd say next month or two we'll start 2118 01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:08.279 seeing the kill room, where we're going to talk about, 2119 01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:11.279 probably stuff we don't really talk about on our own shows, 2120 01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:15.439 but where we kind of we we agree about a lot, 2121 01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:16.479 but we disagree about it. 2122 01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:17.880 We disagree a lot. 2123 01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:19.920 Not to kill each other doing it. 2124 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:23.159 I have a sharpened blade to his throat. 2125 01:54:23.680 --> 01:54:24.600 Say what I think. 2126 01:54:26.680 --> 01:54:29.000 That's great, Say what I think? 2127 01:54:34.239 --> 01:54:38.079 And you, Julia, Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcast 2128 01:54:38.199 --> 01:54:42.039 Cosmic Peach and I'm also on the Cult of Conspiracy 2129 01:54:42.119 --> 01:54:43.680 podcast every Saturday. 2130 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:46.640 Very nice, very How does that work? Is it just 2131 01:54:46.720 --> 01:54:48.560 you and you and them or just just you? 2132 01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:49.640 No, it's just me. 2133 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:53.680 It's just one day a week that they let me 2134 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:56.680 post a show about whatever it is that I'm interested 2135 01:54:56.720 --> 01:54:59.920 in at the time. I do like some mini series 2136 01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:03.199 for them, and Coolby was on the last one that 2137 01:55:03.279 --> 01:55:05.840 I did. It's called Blood Ties and it's about some 2138 01:55:06.039 --> 01:55:10.159 program to kill stuff and he drops his amazing Jack 2139 01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:14.000 Nicholson ted Bundy theory in that in that show. 2140 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:16.279 But most people think it's bullshit, But I don't care. 2141 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:19.359 It's all right, honey. You can believe whatever you want 2142 01:55:19.439 --> 01:55:24.119 to believe. But yeah, so you can find me on 2143 01:55:24.199 --> 01:55:29.079 the Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday or Apple wherever, Spotify 2144 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:32.840 for Cosmic Peach for my normal stuff. But thank you 2145 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:35.199 for having me again, of course. 2146 01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:37.199 No, that was great chat. Love it as usual, And 2147 01:55:37.239 --> 01:55:38.680 that was a great talk. A lot of good things, 2148 01:55:38.960 --> 01:55:43.319 you know, talked about a lot of interesting people. Uh yeah, 2149 01:55:43.640 --> 01:55:45.760 And that is the end of another Occult Rejects again. 2150 01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:49.560 Thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up. There 2151 01:55:49.640 --> 01:55:51.159 was awesome. There's a lot of people here, a lot 2152 01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:54.439 of good stuff said. Had a good time and until 2153 01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:56.720 the next one, everybody be well later.