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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of Your Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the.

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Speaker 2: Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 1: So, the House voted yesterday to release the Epstein files.

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One congressman voted against it. I forget his name right now.

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I don't think the Senate has voted as of this recording,

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but they will pass it.

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Speaker 2: And then Donald Trump said he will sign it. I

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find this just.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a terrible, terrible president to taking

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him take, you know, an investigation that has uncoorroborated accusations

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floated by people you know, aren't even you know, in

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the periphery of a case, third hand accounts, theories, rumors,

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just throw it out to the public so they can.

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And this is what people want to do, destroy the

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lives and reputations of a bunch of people who may

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or may not deserve it. We already know Epstein is

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a vile person, a depraved criminal. That doesn't mean anyone

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who spoke to him is like, let's take Larry Summers

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on what just happened to him. Larry Summers is a

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I think he was a Treasury secretary maybe under Clinton.

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You know, he's been around, he was a Harvard president.

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The House Committee just releases emails with him in Epstein

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destroys his life. Essentially, the guy can has lost all

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his professional associations. He is going to elicit almost no

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sympathy because he's an elitist. Conservatives don't like and progressives

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don't like him. He befriend at a creep like Epstein.

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But nothing in those emails are illegal. Nothing in those

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emails show that he did anything wrong. In fact, he

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stopped writing the day that Epstein was indicted on sex

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offenses years ago, and now his life is written.

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Speaker 2: Does he deserve it? I don't think that matters the House.

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They did this to Donald Trump as well.

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Speaker 1: With selective leaks, you know, during his first presidency. I

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just not leaks, you know, alleged investigations. The House Committee

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can now just open a DOJ investigation, find a person

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they don't like, embarrass them and ruin their lives. I

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think it's something people should be thinking about. There is

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an expectation of privacy. When you have an investigation going on,

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and if you did nothing criminal, your name should not

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be out there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm like one of the few people

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who's thinking this because you have every single House member

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but one voting to just throw this out there. Chump

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to the conspiratorial, paranoid mob that's now just going to

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sift through this without any context. I think it's I

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think it's problematic.

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Speaker 3: Well, I actually agree, and I said this publicly and

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gotten a lot of pushback from saying so. There are

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multiple problems there, and I think that you get both

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of them. One, anyone can make an allegation. Anyone can

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make an allegation that has nothing to do or very

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little to do with the allegation being shown to be true.

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And we have people make false or even just confused

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allegations all the time, Like someone might think something happened,

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but they're wrong about that. There's a reason why we

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put things through procedures and have rule of law for allegations.

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And then the other issue is, as you note, it's

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not a crime to email with a convicted sex offender,

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and turning it into a crime, it's not good. Probably

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now having said that I do think this is a

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legitimately awful, messy situation with very few good ways out

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of it. We have genuine concern about the role that

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Jeffrey Epstein played in the world. You know, he was

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talking to very powerful people. He was convicted of trafficking minors.

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He after he was convicted, continued to have very close

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relationships with quite a few people. And I don't want

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to be little that like, it hasn't been handled well.

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It hasn't been handled well by any Justice department going

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back like for presidents, And I don't know what the

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right answer for it is. I mean these You mentioned

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Larry Summers, and there was this email where Larry Summers

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asked Jeffrey Epstein if it was true that Trump is

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a cocaine head, and Epstein responded, if he could get

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a private Harvard tour for a member of the Rothschild family.

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It's kind of a salacious look at how these people operate, right,

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And Larry Summers does not come out of it looking good,

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and I think he was chastened, and yesterday said I'm

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sorry that I was such best friends forever with this guy,

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seeing how Michael Wolfe, who's speaking of whorors in journalism,

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A very bad guy who was giving advice to Jeffrey

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Epstein about how to rehabilitate his career after he was

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convicted of underage sex trafficking, and other journalists who were

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also giving him heads up about hit pieces that were

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coming of people look really bad in these. They're not

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being convicted of a crime. They are just being exposed

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for what they're doing, right.

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Speaker 2: Some of them.

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Speaker 1: I mean for sure, Larry Summers looks awful in those emails.

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There's twenty thousand pages of them. He never spoke to

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Epstein as far as we know, after he was convicted

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of being a sex offender. By the way, just really

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Larry Summer. Yeah, he stopped emailing him the day of

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the conviction.

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Speaker 3: That's not true. What was when far as I remember, when,

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was he convicted?

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Speaker 2: Twenty eleven nine or something?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the email I'm looking at is October second,

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twenty sixteen, and it's about Trump being a cocaine user,

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and the context is like, how are we going to

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keep Trump from being elected? So he definitely emailed him

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after that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, well I don't I don't have it

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in front of me. I thought I had read that

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he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Take Bill Clinton stopped his relationship with him when he

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became a convicted sex offender. But I could be wrong

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about that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, I could be I might well be wrong,

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but it does.

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Speaker 1: You know, the stuff he says is embarrassing, and a

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lot of it it's terrible. Most of it isn't, but

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a lot of it is. Anyway, a lot of famous

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people kept their relationship going with him post conviction, So

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that's all true.

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Speaker 3: But I just also want to say that the White

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House counsel lady who for a Barack Obama, she was

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having inappropriately intimate conversations with Epstein while she was in

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the Obama White House and he was asking for things

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and she was telling things. I mean, it just it

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was not good. This person did have friends in high places,

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was a prolific emailer, and was kind of an operator.

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But I think that people are confusing two separate things.

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He might have been unscrupulous in both of these things,

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but that doesn't necessarily mean they're related. So one is

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the child sex trafficking and his proclivities for young and

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in some cases underage women. The other is that he

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was a mover and shaker in high circles. That does

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not necessarily mean those two things interact. And people always

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just assume, because both of those things are true, that

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they are one hundred percent fused. And I don't see

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a ton of evidence that they were, do you know

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what I mean, like.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I see these emails people being like, hey, remember that

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underage chick I ordered.

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure everyone assumes there's a list. Everyone assumes

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that there's a pedophile ring running the world. Well, there's

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really no evidence for that yet. I'm not saying it's

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impossible that it never happened, but from what we know,

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he was procuring these young women for himself, not for others.

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and he had a lot of rich friends, and that's

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how it works.

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Speaker 2: I have very low I have.

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Speaker 1: A very low opinion of anyone who would be friends

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with someone like that. After two thousand and eight or

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nine or whenever he was came out what he did,

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even though probably people knew. But we have a rule

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of law, and we have expectations that investigators do not

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just indiscriminately release hearsay and stuff like that and that

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goes for everyone, even bad people.

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Speaker 2: If we allow the House.

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Speaker 1: Or the DJ to start saying, oh, well, this guy's

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kind of shady, so we're just going to let destroy him.

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And that's why they did this to Larry Summers. They

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destroyed him. I think that's a problem. I don't care

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what a bad guy you are or aren't. And there's

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a time and place. Listen, most of the victims are

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still alive. Most of the people involved are still alive.

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Journalists can go talk to them. Generalists can ask them questions.

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They can ask them who it was and who wasn't involved,

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like a lot of these victims, and trust me, I

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feel terrible for them. Keep making claims that are simply

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not they're not following up and telling us who was involved,

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or they're not giving any evidence. You can't just go

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around smearing anyone who talks to someone who's a bad

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guy in this way without evidence. I don't think you should,

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at least I don't think the state should. I just

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people think through what this means. It means that the

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Democratic House in the future is going to take an

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investigation into a politician.

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Speaker 2: You guys saw how many.

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Speaker 1: What can I call them corrupt investigations that were into

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Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they have access to emails.

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Speaker 3: These people who know that our investigative services or deep

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state services sometimes do things to make it look like

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people are bad when they're not. And then they're like,

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release all the files because now I suddenly trust the FBI.

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It's like, why, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Never going to be enough for people. You're going to

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release this and they're going to say, either the government's

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holding back what I really think happened, or there's some

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other files somewhere no one's giving us, Like, I don't know,

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you might know, but the grand jury files, I don't think.

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I think a judge has has stopped that from being released.

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Grand jury file should never be released. Those are just accusations.

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They haven't been proven.

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Speaker 2: So so there's.

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Speaker 3: Just one thing I want to say about these switches. Okay,

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I've said this before. I had people emailing me about

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Epstein for like so many years, and I always thought

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they were kooks. And then when I then he ends

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up being convicted and turns out to really have been

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a problem, and I feel chastened by that that I

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should have been more open to the idea that there

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really was this problem here. But people's interest in this

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has always seemed to be politically motivated, not people's in DC.

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People's interest is politically motivated. And it is so obvious

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that our media and other Democrats are only interested in

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the story, not because of the victims, not even because

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of like the high profile people who are involved in it.

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They are obsessed with finding Trump in these files. And

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of all the people out there, Trump is the one

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whose relationship with Epstein would kind of know the most about. Right,

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they're in the same scene. They are pictures of them,

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like even parting together in the eighties or nineties, and

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then quite famously, Trump kicks him out of mar A Lago.

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I think they I don't think they knew what was

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going on with trafficking. But one of the managers at

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mar A Lago is upset that he recruited women who

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were working at mar A Lago to work for him,

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and they just felt like that was an inappropriate use

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of his club membership or whatever. And he'd also publicly

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said that he thought that Epstein liked girls on the

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young side, or something like like, we know all of this,

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and we know that they had a famous falling out,

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famous there's no evidence that they had any relationship, whatsoeb

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from the point of conviction onward. And what's more, these

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emails show that Epstein is utterly obsessed with Trump, and

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byron Yorke had something about how you know? Again, this

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is according to known liar Michael Wolfe. But Michael Wolfe

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said that Epstein believed firmly that the reason he got

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in trouble with the law was because of Trump. So

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Epstein blames Trump for his conviction, is obsessed with him,

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is trying to bring him down, is emailing every Democrat

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on planet Earth to share dirt on Trump. None of

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it like works, And this is a problem for Trump.

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How you know what I mean? Like, it's not it

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doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean the Trump administration brought this on themselves,

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about that part. I get critical of that.

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I'm just saying, like, how is this a problem for Trump?

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Speaker 1: It just no, for sure, Democrats. Democrats ran everything. They

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could have released these files years ago. And that's one

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of the things. I'm not the only one who said this,

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But if you I just don't believe you could go

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through a demo, you know, the Biden years and something

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in that file would be incriminating of Donald Trump or

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put him in even in a very poor light, that

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it wouldn't have been leaked or ready to depress. At

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some point we would know about it.

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about the way Epstein made his money and all of

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these high level contacts he had, And I wish we

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had a media that could do more of explaining that,

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as opposed to who could do more explaining of that,

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as opposed to just trying to find Trump in the files.

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I am curious, like I don't know how that part

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of the world lives. The people who fly in the

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private jets and who are have everybody's phone number, all

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the powerful people's phone numbers. I mean, I have power

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people's phe numbers, but we're not involved in that kind

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of thing. You know, It's a different thing when you're

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a journalist. And I just wish we knew more about

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how he operated, what was going on. I mean, we

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know a lot, but we could we could use a

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little more insight into the Larry Summers type stuff. And

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that it's out, it seems like we could.

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Speaker 2: I bite journalism.

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Speaker 1: There's two issues here. Journalists should do their job and

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figure these things out. You know, I am I'm like

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a maximalist on journalism. You do whatever you have to

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do to get a real story. But the state, the

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state has a job, and its job is not to

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go around, you know, cracking open grand jury testimony to

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find something embarrassing about someone just to destroy them. I

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don't care who it is. But I also want to say,

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even if you find an email where Epstein says Donald

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or that, just because he says it doesn't make it

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Speaker 2: We don't know. This is why we have rule of law.

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Speaker 1: This is why we have a process that we're supposed

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to uphold.

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Speaker 3: So but he even like, I don't think there's evidence

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that Trump did It would be kind of cool if

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Trump had turned in Epstein for the crimes. I don't

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think there's evidence to support that other than Epstein thinking it.

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or say something does not mean it's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why people are so.

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Speaker 1: I think what happens is the legend grows and things

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you don't know. Always you assume there's something more dramatic

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behind the scenes. I mean, Epstein's was a schmoozer and

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not a dumb guy. I think he had some kind

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of math degree, and you know, he made his money

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in the eighties like a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people in those days did.

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Speaker 1: And and you know he wasn't a stupid man, just

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an evil man.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure this is going to be just crazy because

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every name that appears now I would just warn people, like,

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no one listens to me. But you still going out

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there and calling people pedophiles just because they had some

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kind of relationship with Jeffery Epstein. You're going to probably

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get sued. You should be sued, honestly anyway. So we're

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going to hear, unfortunately more about that. One of my

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least favorite topics because it is just meaning the Epstein

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file itself, because he's dead and you think you're going

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to figure stuff out from these files that others have,

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and it seems very high it seems highly unlikely to

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me that anyone will.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on.

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Speaker 1: There was one story we wanted to talk about, and

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one more story that we wanted to talk about. There's

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a poll that came out that people were talking about

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that showed that more men or young men I think

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it was twelfth grader is seventy something percent boys. You know,

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young men wanted to get married like it was something

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they hoped to do, while far fewer ten percent fewer

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women wanted to get married. And then the imagination and

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historical contexts, you think that in the way culture depicts women,

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you would assume women would be far more interested in

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getting married and men would delay wanting to do that

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until they were older. But it seems like that has

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now switched.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Pugh asks twelfth graders over time, different questions,

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so seniors in high school, and in nineteen ninety three,

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when they asked twelfth graders if they thought they would

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choose to get married in the long run, eighty three

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percent of girls and seventy six percent of boys said yes. Now,

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twelfth graders can be idiots, and you can think you're

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not going to get married and you do get married,

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or you can think you are going to choose to

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get married and it doesn't happen for you. But it's

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just interesting that eighty three percent of girls and seventy

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six percent of boys in nineteen ninety three, that's about

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when I was a senior in high school, thought they

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would choose to get married in long run. Okay, Now,

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if you cut to thirty years later, it's about the

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same percentage of boys say that they would choose to

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get married. So it dropped just a little seventy six

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to seventy four percent, But among women it dropped twenty

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two percent. Among girls, now only sixty one percent of

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twelfth graders say they are most likely to choose to

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get married in the long run. And that's yeah, thirteen

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points lower than boys. This is not healthy. You know,

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girls might not be answering honestly or whatever, but that

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would have been true in nineteen ninety three two And

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so to see that twenty plus point drop indicates that

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marriage is not being valued and being taught or being

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modeled as a good thing. And it's very bad because

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marriage is a wonderful thing and you should put a

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lot of work into marrying the right partner and having

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a happy, stable home and having kids. That's where most

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of what's good in life happens. And these kids are

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not being taught this at all, and it's probably going

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to be harder. I mean, I did have a little

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like glimmer of excitement that this means that any daughters

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I have who are marriage minded will have a better market. Right.

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Speaker 1: I only have theories here, you know. Part of it,

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I think is that over the years, there's cultural depictions

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and you know, imbued with feminist kind of ideology that

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demeans the idea of getting married right away or you know,

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being just quote unquote a housewife, or that those things

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should be put off because there are important things you're

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going to do or you won't be able to do

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if you get married right away, which isn't true. Married

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couples are more successful than non married couples. I don't

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really understand why boys are more inclined to want to

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be married than women, because a lot of you, I mean,

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I have to be honest, in twelfth grade, I wasn't

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thinking about getting married. It was like it wasn't anywhere

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on my mind. I wanted to live my life. So

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I don't really get that part of it. But also though,

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I think because of that feminist and cultural pressure that

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maybe some of these young women just feel like they

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have to say that that it's not in their immediate plans,

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don't you think. I mean, yes, you're right. In nineteen

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ninety three, maybe they would have felt the same thing.

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But I do think it's more pronounced these days. We've

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had decades and decades of demeaning the idea of marriage

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for young women. So all right, well, let's hope that

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turns around, because marriage is vital to keeping a civilization going,

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because the later get married, the fewer kids you have,

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and the more you will regret not having them.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, also, older.

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Speaker 3: People don't get mad at younger people for not feeling

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marriage minded. Help them get married, help like talk to them,

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be honest about why it's good, how they should use

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a spouse, you know, how to have a happy life.

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But offer them help introduce them to people. Everyone should

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be a matchmaker if you're good at it, not if

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you're bad at it, I guess. But but the way

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that we just like let kids fend for themselves is

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not healthy or good.

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Speaker 4: New York's new mayor z or on Mom Donnie claims

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owner is stealing from their workers and he's supposed to

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Speaker 3: Okay, I wanted to read my favorite note that we

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got this week. We got some good notes again this week,

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I think, and it always blows me away. How thoughtful

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I don't know, just like how much time people put

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into them too.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to worry people are breaking the

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two thousand word rule left and right.

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Speaker 2: Just letting you know.

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Speaker 3: I love that people keep on being like, I have

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to get to this quick because David won't read it otherwise.

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But this was this was Yeah, let me do it it.

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Stick with me on this because I think this was

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really interesting. A note so Dear Molly and David. A

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note on the recent troubles on the right or in

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the conservative movement that Molly aptly summed up with I

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kind of hate everybody right now. A problem that the

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Internet has created is mass sophistry without mass education to

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respond to it. The likes of Nick Fuentes and then

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in princeheses there are many more than he with substantial

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followings that have not risen to the level of being

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talked about yet close parentheses have basically free reign to

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develop whole worlds of interconnected meaning, memes, jokes, arguments, half arguments, lies,

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cruel mockeries, and intermingled among the rest some actual, sometimes

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true observations. That weird sophistic mix of funny, powerful half

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truths and full lies cannot be cured by a column

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or an OpEd. It requires the kind of work that

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I have done all my adult life, namely waiting into

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the errors of my students and getting them truly to

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say what they think in a trusting environment, such that

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they can actually have their conclusions tested and very often

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found wanting. That process usually came about through verbal, in person,

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community and in print, then television and radio, which made

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the problem more like mass media. Due to the monolithic

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nature of the networks, etc. There were still only a

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few pathways of error and sophistry possible, so you could

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actually deal with it publicly because all the generations were

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familiar with the arguments of this or that sophistical argument,

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think the Murphy Brown scandal or Will and Grace regarding LGBTQ.

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But now hundreds of hours of elaborate sophistry are deployed

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and devoured by the young, completely out of the view

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of the older generations. That means when someone tries to

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deal with the problem socratically and publicly, the whiplash and

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horror of just what the hell is under that rock

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when it is pulled up and examined in public. Mass

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media is intense and justifiably strong, But that is a

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real problem which people more in tune with young people

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are trying to address. How can you combat mass media

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sophistry with the kind of socratic treatment that isn't merely

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thoughtless propagandistic counter programming and fearsome shame and cancelation, which

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only further alienates young people under the sophist's spell. Having

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a conversation that is public yet not effrontery with the

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likes of Nick fuentis wherein you gently steer such a

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guy to discard his worst opinions, or at least admit

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their weakness by comparison has been considered a crucial part

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of what needs to happen by many of us. It

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needs to be public so those under mass media sophistry

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can experience the kind of one on one argumentation vicariously

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in a mass media format, given that actual one on

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one socratic dialogues with all of them will never come

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close to catching up with the mass effects of rumble

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and YouTube. Now I kind of hate everybody is not

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wrong here because it isn't as though Tucker were only

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doing that. He is doing that. I think with a

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strongly intermingled agenda on foreign policy, some nasty ill will

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toward his opponents in this debate, et cetera. All sides

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have PTSD. I think from handing handling each other all

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so unkindly for so long, it's a mess. But I

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think it would be good, regardless of all the other arguments, good, bad,

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and ugly, to recognize that the quote platforming quote framework

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has a serious cost. And I think, as I've argued here,

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that cost is an educative cost, and I think that

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that cost is quite high. I wish to goodness there

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00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,839
were people famous enough who did not also have a

480
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,000
political agenda and an axe to grind. Who could garner

481
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,119
enough eyeballs to both attract the likes of Fuentes to

482
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,880
debate and discuss in this more friendly socratic way. But

483
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,640
I don't see the sophists and trolls coming out from

484
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:43,000
under their bridge for anything other than billy goat gruff

485
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,839
to try their hand at more public polemics. Perhaps an

486
00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,759
impasse is all we can have right now, But pretending

487
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:52,480
we aren't paying a cost, I would argue a very

488
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,839
great one by circumscribing the discourse by means of a

489
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,160
platforming framework rather than a moral and philosophical formation. And

490
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,799
framework is not the way. So what what's the action

491
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,160
item here? Good question? I suppose a bit of grace

492
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,599
to recognize this educative mixed motive in Tucker or Kevin Roberts,

493
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:15,440
in whom I strongly suspect the educative motive was far

494
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:19,480
less mixed and more teacherly in concern than Tucker's. Perhaps

495
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,920
openly praising that aspect might be one idea that could

496
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,519
call attention to the still desperate need to meet this

497
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,079
challenge of mass media sophistry. But that may not be

498
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
fitting for either of you to do I cannot say.

499
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,240
I guess my hope is that this little note, my

500
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,039
first after listening to you all with great enjoyment from

501
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:40,759
the beginning, might make you more discerning civic actors as

502
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,000
you try your best to lead opinion for every generation

503
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:47,079
of Americans toward the truth, a thing you both love

504
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,440
more than any two interlocutors in the wide world, in

505
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,680
the wild world of podcastry. As I know it, it's

506
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:55,880
high praise, but that it is why I listen to

507
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,559
you too, so faithfully, and is why I hopefully bring

508
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:01,039
these thoughts to your attention to bite this moment in

509
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,759
opinion making being such an emotionally super charged one. Okay,

510
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,039
I know that was long, but wasn't that like interesting?

511
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:09,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

512
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:11,039
Speaker 1: It was a great It was a great letter. And

513
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,839
I I mean, I don't have any answer to those questions.

514
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,799
I think there's just a it's something that is unstoppable

515
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,880
right now. As far as the dynamics of what happens

516
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:28,000
online in the incentives, I think the only the only

517
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,319
part I would push back a little bit on is

518
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,240
I think he's and he wasn't being overly charitable, but

519
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,880
he was being a little bit charitable towards Tucker and

520
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,480
the alleged educational I think he was trying to lift

521
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,559
up Nick fent Test. That was my problem, a platforming.

522
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,519
I don't even like using that word. I try to

523
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,920
avoid it, but but it But who we decide to

524
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,000
lift up and help and the like? Just talk about Tucker,

525
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,720
because that's what this is about. He has a massive audience.

526
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,880
He is the guy who could act actually have done it.

527
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,960
He is the guy who actually could have had him

528
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,839
on and challenged the under the real assertions of Nick Fuentes,

529
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400
the real ones that he makes, not the water down

530
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,920
ones that Tucker pretended that he makes, and challenge them.

531
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:17,480
But he does have ulterior motives and so it didn't

532
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,039
happen well.

533
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,319
Speaker 3: And he, you know, he can show that not to

534
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,880
be true by how he behaves in the future. And

535
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,759
I don't think there's you know, meaning, if he really

536
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:31,319
is hoping to educate these other people away from an

537
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,920
insidious ideology, we'll see it in the future. We have

538
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,839
not seen a ton of it in the past, right.

539
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,440
But more than that, I like the idea that we

540
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,480
should be looking for people and formats to have this

541
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,160
kind of discussion publicly that will not be tainted with

542
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:55,359
all of these side issues, and even I was thinking

543
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:59,160
about this with Buckley, with Bill Buckley, William F. Buckley,

544
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,200
and some people recently were talking about like, oh, he

545
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,640
wasn't that great of a person and blah blah blah.

546
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,000
And I'm not freaking out about people saying that, but

547
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,599
there were ways in which he would have debates with

548
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:18,160
people with bad ideology, So you know, yes, publicizing it,

549
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:25,240
but the debate yielded good results because the bad ideology

550
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:31,559
tended to crumble upon the slightest bit of inspection. And

551
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,680
I have great confidence that some of these evils that

552
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,680
are out there in the meme world and in the

553
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:47,359
way that the youths are communicating information will crumble under

554
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,119
the slightest bit of investigation of light. And so we

555
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,960
have to think, and I think it's important that that happened,

556
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,440
because if it doesn't happen, they can just kind of

557
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,079
fester in that underneath the rock picture that was painted there,

558
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,640
and there aren't many people who are trusted to do that,

559
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,079
and we should be looking for those people. Some of

560
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:16,000
it can happen privately, apart from what was just said

561
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:18,400
in this note, but we should be looking for better

562
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:24,200
public ways to in good faith take on and defeat

563
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,160
the evil arguments.

564
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: Well, do we give the name of the letter writer

565
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:30,319
or should be No?

566
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to, Okay, Well, I guess I also

567
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,920
take issue with another aspect of this, and that is

568
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,039
that all these young people are alienated and they're just

569
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,240
if we just gave them a truthful argument, they would turn.

570
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,079
I was a young person, and the young people like

571
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,960
to play with dangerous ideas, right, they like to piss

572
00:32:55,079 --> 00:33:00,640
off boomers, right, they like moral pornography, just this on. Fortunately,

573
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,680
they like regular pornography. So I think we don't need

574
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480
to take them as seriously as everyone says, in the

575
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,720
sense that, oh if I only showed Nick Fuentes that

576
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,359
actually Hitler did kill six million people, that that's going

577
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,160
to change anyone's mind. We know that the more Holocaust

578
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,440
education you push on people, the more anti the less

579
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,160
likely they are to believe it. For instance, truth is

580
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,079
not always going to turn people, and we shouldn't have

581
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,160
these quixotic views about how large groups of people are

582
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,440
just going to accept your truth. But his underlying point

583
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,960
I agree with completely. These people will get older, these

584
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,920
young people will become more serious, They will have adult

585
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,759
lives and you can challenge them then. And also just

586
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,799
quickly with this, I think the stigma of anti Semitism

587
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,119
has dropped, so people are much more comfortable saying things

588
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,640
they wouldn't have in the past. I don't know that

589
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,200
it's going to remain that way in the long term,

590
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,359
and maybe some of these people are going to pay

591
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:59,640
a price for being the way they are right now.

592
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,680
You know, call it cancelation. I don't you know whatever.

593
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
You can't just say there are repercussions to the things

594
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,719
you say and the things you spread in your reputation.

595
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:10,199
Speaker 2: That's just the real world.

596
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: And that's something young people should think about as well,

597
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,400
and maybe we should tell them. This is why anonymity

598
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,000
I think is a big problem online.

599
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,559
Speaker 2: Because I was.

600
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 3: Thinking about this. Our local high school was the scene

601
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:25,320
of many many beat down stabbings, even shootings, and they

602
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,960
ban Governor Youngkin It's great governor banned cell phones from

603
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,320
school environments, and they were saying that the conflict went

604
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,679
way down, and I think in part is because of

605
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,239
what you just said. When you have to face to

606
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,119
face say to someone that you disagree with them, counterintuitively,

607
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,679
it lowers the heat. You know, It's very easy to

608
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,639
be behind a screen and fire off your most extreme sentiment,

609
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,480
of course, and it can lead to people getting really radicalized.

610
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,519
When you have to sit in class with someone and say, hey,

611
00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:59,519
I didn't like what you said about my girlfriend or

612
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:04,519
whatever it's you might have some physical interaction. Maybe that's

613
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,960
even an okay thing, but it might be in a

614
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,239
more controlled, reasonable way.

615
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:12,599
Speaker 1: I'm sure this has happened to you. It used to

616
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,199
happen to me all the time. Someone would send me

617
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,519
an email or say something about me in the paper

618
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,719
or somewhere else when I was in Denver, for instance,

619
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400
that's awful and angry about me. Then I would meet

620
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,119
them in real life, the tone would change immediately. It's

621
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,599
very difficult to be that way face to face, but

622
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:29,440
we can't do that.

623
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: It is what it is. You're not going to be

624
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,880
able to stop the digital world.

625
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,079
Speaker 3: And I would just say on this issue, and to me,

626
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:39,880
it's so much bigger than Nazism or meaning. There are

627
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,239
a lot of bad ideologies they're taking root in our

628
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,000
country right now, but understanding that what, for instance, you

629
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,360
and I do is different than what some you know,

630
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,800
as the letter writer puts it, Educative people are doing

631
00:35:56,159 --> 00:36:00,280
is also good and just understanding that what they're doing

632
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,599
will look different like you and I are going to

633
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,039
be really harsh and be like this is wrong and

634
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,119
this is evil. But what other people are doing in

635
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,400
a more open minded setting to try to get the

636
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,280
person to a better place, it's going to look differently

637
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,360
than what you or I say.

638
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say this though.

639
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: Remember not like half an hour ago we were talking

640
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,639
about I just want to be a writer and make

641
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,159
my arguments. I'm not a life coach. I don't really

642
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,920
care that much, honestly, Like, I'm not here to I'm

643
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,119
not an educator. This letter writer sounds like an incredibly

644
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,559
good person to me, and a very smart person and

645
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,639
a person who can teach young people how to think differently.

646
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,199
But that's not really what I.

647
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 2: Do, right.

648
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: I am here to give my opinion and I'm not

649
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,519
here to be a life coach to some person who thinks,

650
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:48,280
you know, drawing a swastika is fun.

651
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,559
Speaker 2: So I don't know. We all have different jobs in

652
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:51,199
this exactly.

653
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,559
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks for letting me go through all that, though,

654
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:55,360
But we get so many great letters, and I also

655
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,559
love when you get We'll get like long letters and

656
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,079
people always have these interesting affiliations or places that they live,

657
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,400
and it's humbling also when I think I've said this before,

658
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,800
but like United States senators will be like I totally

659
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,440
agreed with what David said or not. You know, I'm like, wow,

660
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,840
do they do they really have time to be listening

661
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,000
to this? Should they be?

662
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:18,519
Speaker 2: I'm always hard.

663
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: I forget when we're talking that we're talking to other people.

664
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,159
Sometimes I just you know, it's just a conversation we're

665
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,719
having that we would have normally maybe And.

666
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: Okay, So on that note, do you have any culture?

667
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched a show called Death by Lightning. Okay,

668
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:43,280
it's on Netflix. It is good. It's about, believe it

669
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,840
or not, the presidency of James Garfield and his vice president,

670
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,840
Chester A. Arthur played by Nick Offerman, James Garfield played

671
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,440
by Michael Shannon, and his assassin and his assassin. So

672
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,000
it's like the parallel stories of the two. It's not

673
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,960
I would call it even mildly comedic, and it's you

674
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239
wouldn't think it would be as entertaining. I mean, I

675
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:11,280
am like, oh, this is just you know, they made

676
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,239
this for me, but it's actually I think has an

677
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,719
appeal a white more widespread of appeal than you'd think.

678
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,239
The other two things I did was I read. When

679
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,679
I go on errands and stuff, I have books on

680
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,719
my phone, so when I'm going shopping with my wife,

681
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,719
I follow with the card and read my book. You know.

682
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,760
So I read two books on music that were sort

683
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,480
of brain dead kind of things. But one's by Evan

684
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:35,239
Dando of the Lemonheads called Rumors of My Demise?

685
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,559
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, what are you Gonna Do? And the

686
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:39,760
other one is what's his name?

687
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,639
Speaker 1: Is that? Mike Joyce. He was the drummer of the

688
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,440
smith It's called The Drums. It's about his life with

689
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,840
the Smiths. Those are the two books I read that

690
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,119
We're not very serious, but if you enjoy that sort

691
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:49,480
of thing, I.

692
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: Think Mark would enjoy Rumors of My Demise.

693
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,119
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, I think so.

694
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,679
Speaker 1: Another thing, I don't know if you guys are fans

695
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,920
of the Jesus and Mary Chain or not.

696
00:38:59,119 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 3: Yes.

697
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: So it's the fortieth anniversary of Psycho Candy and that

698
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:12,639
podcast I mentioned last week called Life of the Record

699
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,320
has like an hour and a half podcast. So the

700
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,800
two brothers in that band, the Red Brothers, just talking

701
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:23,159
about how they became musicians, about that album just fantastic.

702
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,639
Speaker 2: So if you're into that, okay, great sol Yeah.

703
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: Okay, So I first off, I thought I turned in

704
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,679
all the final final final edits for my book last Thursday,

705
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,360
which meant that I didn't sleep on Wednesday night and

706
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,760
Mark said, do you want to celebrate somehow? I said yes,

707
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,800
I would like to go to bed early and I

708
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,360
went to pick it. But then like on Friday, they

709
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,679
sent another round from like the last proofreader with a

710
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,360
bunch of suggestions, most of which were excellent. Was that

711
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,559
they wanted me to change every so I use I

712
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:07,039
use the word he in a gender inclusive way, you

713
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:11,159
know he or she, I mean he or she, And

714
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,760
they wanted me to change my keys today them's and theirs.

715
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,480
And then that meant that I'm using a plural pronoun

716
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,920
with a singular antecedent and it really bothered me, and

717
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,320
I I'm not joking. It bothered me like all weekend

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and they were like, get it back by Monday. And

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on Tuesday They're like, you were supposed to get everything

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back by monday, and I'm like, I try to accept

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all edits, but I feel very bad about these and

722
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I wrote this whole, like long note about why I

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have a problem with like thirty seconds later, the editor

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writes back, like, yeah, that's that's fine. That's uh, like

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you didn't need like we just suggested that you don't

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have to, like it's no big deal.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I'll just say I love writing

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a book. Right, It's hard, but in the end number

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but the editing process to me is I just dread

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it with all my heart. It's so difficult. I think

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it's harder than writing the book. I don't know why

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I'm telling everyone this, but it's true.

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Speaker 3: I love good editing, and I have been blessed to

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have some of the best editors in the business. And

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the person who edited my first book with Carrie Severino,

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is editing this book, Tom Spence. He's amazing. I mean,

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he's just a wonderful editor. And then they have other

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layers of editing too, which is where these other things

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came in. But they've caught like, you know, I said

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something happen in twenty that Linda Greenhouse said something in

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twenty twenty two, and they caught that it was twenty

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twenty one. And I don't like to have errors in

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my writing. So I was just like, I love these people.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I love my editors. I just don't like

745
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going through it. I like to hand in my work

746
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and never see it again. I never read it. I

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never want to see it. But anyway started to interrupt that.

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Speaker 3: So then though, I've watched so many movies because I

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was making up for like a year and a half

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of not having seen anything, and we Mark and I

751
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just like hung around the house watched movies all weekend long.

752
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So I have a bunch. First one, the Big Short

753
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mm hmm. Have you seen that one? I have about

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the housing bubble crisis and about how.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's a fiction, but it's a good movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and I thought it was a really well

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done movie that was failing in a few parts when

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it tried to be political, like they were trying to

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say that everybody didn't blame the banks for that housing

760
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bubble crisis mortgage problems, they blamed immigrants and the poor.

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And I'm like, I don't think that's that does not

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match with my recollection of events.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean the whole, the whole idea that the

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person blaming the bank is like the outsider and everyone's

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mad at them.

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Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous, but it was so well done like that.

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Speaker 3: I remained mad that we bailed out all these banks

768
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and came up with that whole too big to fail thing,

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but like anyway, well done. Enjoyed it. Also saw Michael Clayton.

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Have you seen that.

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Speaker 2: That's George Clooney is like the Fixer? Yes? From years ago?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I did see that two.

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Speaker 2: Thousand and seven movie with George Cloone. Well, George Clooney.

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Speaker 3: A great actor, but I also love you know, he

775
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has one brother who's a cop and one brother who's

776
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an addict, and he himself is like a former prosecutor

777
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who becomes this fixer but also is trying to get

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out of that side of things. And there was a

779
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line towards the end where the cop brother says, all

780
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the cops think you're a lawyer, and all the lawyers

781
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think you're a cop, but only you know who you are,

782
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and he means it as an insult, like your scum.

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And then he has this turn at the end toward

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being a quote unquote better person. But I liked it.

785
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I thought it was really well done too. I'm getting

786
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even worse in how old these movies are. So the

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final one is a civil action.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen ends with That's what John Travolta and

789
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James Gandolfini's in it before he was in Sopranos, right, Yes, Yes,

790
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it's about some bad company spillage or something there Pittsburgh

791
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or something.

792
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Speaker 3: Yes, So it's about these personal injury lawyers who suddenly

793
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developed an interest in a case that they'd you know,

794
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picked up like earlier, about a tannery dumping things into

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the ground and into the river in a way that

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led to like a cluster of leukemia or something like

797
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that in this small Massachusetts town, Massachusetts. And it was

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again well done, and I enjoyed it, but I'm annoyed

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at that thing we went through in the nineties. I

800
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think it was where we pretended that trial lawyers were

801
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heroes and that they were always like out for the

802
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common man instead of complete hucksters who had maybe destroyed

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industry in America working with the government. In this case,

804
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and this is based on a true story, there really

805
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,760
were legitimate, awful problems with the corporations involved, including that

806
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they lied during the trial about what was going on,

807
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or like suppressed testimony, and they were engaged in environmental damage.

808
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I just also was thinking about how the tannery closes,

809
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the businesses in that area closed. Probably now all the

810
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kids are dying from fentanyl overdose. And sometimes we don't

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have balance to these movies or to the way these

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stories are presented. And I'm not even talking about this

813
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one in particular, because yeah, it really was a bad situation,

814
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but that whole like Aaron Brockovich scam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, itixs stuff.

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Speaker 1: Is there a movie you can think of where capitalism

817
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is portrayed in a good light. I mean it's always

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that the capitalist is evil, will kill people for money,

819
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the minor, the this, that, that, and the lawyers are

820
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always the heroes. The lawyers are heroes, the actors are heroes.

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You know, so this give me.

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Speaker 3: Lawyers be heroes, but like the personal injury lawyers really Okay.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, this one I actually liked. I thought it

824
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was handled pretty well when I watched it, I believe.

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But I mean, there were there were so many movies

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like this in the nineties and two thousands, As you say,

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it was annoying.

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Speaker 2: Three movies wow.

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Speaker 3: And then I'm also watching Nobody Wants This season two,

830
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which is about the rabbi falling in love with the

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sex podcaster.

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Speaker 2: Six.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and there are many things I like about this show.

834
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I think it's really well done. But one of the

835
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,559
problems I have with it is that the two main

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characters are basically close to my age, right, and they're

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having a romance where they talk about like getting married

838
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,519
and having kids, and it's like, oh, guys, that ship

839
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,519
sailed for you like many years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they act very immature, like twenty year olds.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, because they look like they're in

842
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their forties, you know, like they're very pretty people. Kristin

843
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Bellen whoever that guy is, but still pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Kristin bell is forty five years old. So I don't

845
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know how large your family will end up being so

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like she is married.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kids are probably like ten years old, right.

848
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Speaker 2: I have no clue anyway.

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Speaker 1: All right, if you'd like to reach the show and

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send us some more thoughtful emails, please do so at

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radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 2: We like to hear from you. We'll be back next week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so sorry to interrupt. I want to apologize

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for my mispronunciation of educative and sophistry like I'm sure

855
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I said it like both of those words twelve different ways.

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And I know we have some people who are very

857
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intolerant of my many mispronunciations, and so I just want

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to say that I'm sorry. Now carry on.

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Speaker 1: So growing up, you know, as a big reader, but

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I often didn't hear the words so i'd read them.

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So my pronunciations were always off, and I became very

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shy about using certain bigger words until I heard them.

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Speaker 2: How did you say sophistry.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, sophistry? I think it's I don't know, and then

865
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I think I think it's educative. But I think I

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said it like fourteen different ways as I read it.

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It is not my fault that our listeners are so

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academic and area diet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, where was I?

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Speaker 1: So you can email us, except we will not read

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any emails mocking Molly's pronunciations.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week until them be lovers of

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freedom and anxious for the.

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Speaker 3: Right to discern, someone to because the stone is getting

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frosten to me, James Jash send someone