1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Woooo looking really good, Shirley Fans, really good. This is 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,839 the King of the K two Chris bamber Bauer here 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,599 to introduce your hosts of the Shirley you Can't Be 4 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:18,000 Serious podcasts d Hoops, Graves and Jason I want my 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,480 two dollars, Colvin. Let's blow the hatch and listen to them. 6 00:00:22,519 --> 00:00:26,800 Put their testicles, I mean tentacles all over. Two classic 7 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:30,800 cult movies, Better Off Dead and One Crazy Summer. 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: All right, listen up, everybody. 9 00:00:32,679 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 3: Your pop culture knowledge will be gauged, along with a 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,799 rating of one to ten on your style. Which will 11 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:41,520 you judge solely by me and my vast expertise of 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,320 eighties and nineties pop culture? Now, then, who would like 13 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:47,880 to hold my clipboard? 14 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: You make a fine little helper. What's your name? Jeff Johnson? 15 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:57,479 A film by podcast? Shut up? Geek? What's your name? 16 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:03,759 J C? Graves? This welcome back to the Surely you 17 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:06,959 Can't Be Serious Podcast? Everybody. We are here to talk 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000 about two epic movies from nineteen eighty five and nineteen 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,319 eighty six, turning thirty nine and forty this year, Crazy 20 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:19,359 as It May be, Yes, Better Off Dead and One 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,799 Crazy Summer. 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,719 Speaker 4: Go that way really fast. 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: If something gets in your way. 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 5: Turn. 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: I can't wait to talk to you about this because 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,439 these are very important movies for my growing up experience. 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: Where'd you first see these? How'd you become aware of them? 28 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:41,239 I can tell you that I can remember seeing the 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,719 preview for Better Off Dead and thinking, oh my gosh, 30 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:48,760 I have to watch this movie just because of the 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,079 damn shame somebody thrown away perfectly good bye boy like that. 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,400 It's a great line. Yes, yeah, I mean, what a 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,280 perfect line to put in the trailer. And yeah, so 34 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,599 I was definitely I I'm sure I saw it in 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,040 the theater. I know that I saw one crazy summer 36 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,680 because I had seen Better Off Dead, and then I 37 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,759 watched them over and over again on HBO as well. 38 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:12,919 One hundred percent. I saw him on HBO all the time. Yeah, 39 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:13,840 I recorded. 40 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: You know, this is back in the days when you 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,639 put in a blank VCR tape and record it and 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,960 just watch it over and over again. 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:19,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 44 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: My friend group at my youth group at church loved 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,199 quoting Better Off Dead. 46 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the weird thing is is that both of 47 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,879 these movies were not well received when they came out. 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,639 And I mean I watched the Ciskel and Ebert and 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,360 they were just I mean, it was a bash fast 50 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,039 killing it. It was awful. But you know what, I 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,919 remember they did that same thing for spies like us 52 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,840 and I was and I was like, oh, I guess 53 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,840 it's not a good movie. And then I went and 54 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,199 saw the movie. I'm like, Oh, these guys are idiots. 55 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,080 They have no idea what is a good movie. 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 6: Maybe they're all ingredients are there in this movie for 57 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,520 a funny black comedy about suburbia. But better off Dead 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,479 never ever finds the right note. And this is one 59 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:00,840 of those movies where you sit there saying, not only 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,800 do I know what's going to happen, but it's going 61 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:04,919 to be so boring that I won't even be amused 62 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,719 by the fact that I knew it was going to happen. 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 7: I have almost nothing to say about the film other 64 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,439 than it is. I've seen it. 65 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:12,719 Speaker 2: I know, I've tried. 66 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,479 Speaker 7: I have tried to not remember as much as possible. 67 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:19,400 You mentioned the garage scene. I just want to repeat 68 00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:21,560 the people and into the pattern of the film. You 69 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:23,759 see that the window broken once, you see had broken twice. 70 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:26,400 If he had broken three times, that's the whole pattern 71 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,039 of the movie. What did this director think was funny 72 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:31,319 that we would think it would be funny that when 73 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:32,919 we didn't think that it was going. 74 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,159 Speaker 6: To break, that it did break. 75 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 7: For example, then that director realize that we all know it's. 76 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:38,599 Speaker 6: Going to break again. 77 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 7: And doesn't that director realize that that's stupid and that. 78 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 6: Makes he makes himself. 79 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 8: For example, the whole idea of the newspaper carrier. Just 80 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,639 to take one little element in the film, this kid 81 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:48,840 who rides by every day breaking the window is even 82 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:50,280 in the last shot of the movie, is if he 83 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,919 has some kind of Felinia altered ego. 84 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 7: Don't use the word Fellini anywhere near this film. 85 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 86 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 8: I really must apologize to Fellini and for doing that. 87 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,680 This is a real bad movie. And I think you 88 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:04,199 put your finger right on it when you said you 89 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:06,240 could barely remember it. If I could, if I had 90 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,159 totally forgotten it, I'd be a happy man. 91 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:13,599 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about because Savage. Steve Holland responded 92 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,439 to the Cisco and Ebert discussion. Oh really in one 93 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,240 crazy summer. 94 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you'll have to tell me about that. Okay, 95 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:22,279 you about that now? Before we do. I got to 96 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,800 ask you a question. Yeah, these two movies are really 97 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,399 part of a trilogy. You told me that just a 98 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:31,120 bit ago, because I was looking and I saw that 99 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:33,600 there was a third movie that came out after this. 100 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,800 It was eighty nine. Eighty nine, Yeah, and it was 101 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:37,639 how I got into college. And I was like, oh, 102 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,920 it's got Laura Flynn Boyle in it. From Wayne's World 103 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,920 and from what she was. She was in one of 104 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,639 those lawyers. She was a lawyer and maybe one of 105 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:48,160 the csis I think, Okay, And then no, she was order, 106 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,759 law and order, that's what it was. Yeah, she was 107 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,759 Jack Nicholson's hot side mama for all. How many girls 108 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,480 could say that though? 109 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:53,639 Speaker 9: Right? 110 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: But it also had Anthony Edwards in it, Top Gun, Yeah, Goose, 111 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,399 But I never saw it. Is it good? It's good? 112 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:04,600 Another underrated classic. It is very underrated. As you know. 113 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:06,800 I'm a big proponent of nineteen eighty nine. 114 00:05:07,439 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: It is good. It's not better off dead good, but 115 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:11,720 it's good. 116 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: It's funny. 117 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: It got buried between Roadhouse and Indiana Jones in the 118 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:20,720 Last Crusade and then here comes did Poets Society and 119 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,879 Riggs and Murtau and James Bond and it just got 120 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,839 that Summer of eighty nine was so big, it just. 121 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,439 Speaker 2: Had no chance. 122 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: Okay, So, but it is definitely worth a watch, and 123 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:31,120 it's very funny. 124 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,079 Speaker 2: I like it a lot. So was this one that 125 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,160 was in the HBO rotation as well or in VHS VHS. 126 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,079 I'm gonna say I can actually remember that the when 127 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:42,519 I saw the picture, I was like, oh, I kind 128 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:45,519 of remember this from the from the video store, you know, 129 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,199 whatever it might have been. 130 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, it's definitely worth a watch. Yeah, I 131 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,920 will tell you this How I Got into College. Also 132 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:54,240 has Diane Franklin, Oh nice, Yeah, Taylor Negron, which we're 133 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,160 going to talk about here in a minute. 134 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: And Curtis Armstrong is in it as well. Yeah, it's 135 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,360 no John Cusack, but right, well obviously, well we'll talk 136 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,720 about why on that one in a minute. Right, So 137 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:06,959 if you don't know, not only do do both of 138 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:09,240 these movies have John Cusack in them, but they were 139 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,279 both written and directed by a guy named Savage Steve Holland. 140 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:17,879 Now his parents did not give him the name Savage. 141 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,839 That was in fact a nickname. And uh, do you 142 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:25,519 want another story this? Please tell? Okay, So he was 143 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,160 an artistic little kid, you know, not a not a 144 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:32,360 WrestleMania kid like you might expect with that name. But 145 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:37,519 he's playing soccer as a little kid, and some kid 146 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,079 on the other team falls over and he accidentally kicks 147 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,519 him in the face. Now, this kid had a loose tooth, 148 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:45,519 which he then kicked it out, and of course, with 149 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,639 you know, even when you're it's a loose tooth, there's 150 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,480 still blood. And so this kid has lost a tooth 151 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:54,839 is bleeding, and Steve, little Stevie Holland just starts crying 152 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,560 because he thinks he's murdered this little child, and they 153 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:01,560 and so Savage was a joke. It was like calling 154 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,920 a big guy tiny, because he was anything but savage. 155 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:07,360 He was just this you know, tenderhearted little kid who 156 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,720 couldn't stop crying because he had hurt some other little kid. 157 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:13,160 So the name Savage stuck. I love it. I love it. 158 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:14,240 What can we talk? 159 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,959 Speaker 3: I mean before we dive into the drama involving Better 160 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,680 Off Dead? Yeah, why don't you tell us a little 161 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,879 bit about his history and how this movie came to 162 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,279 be made? 163 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:27,319 Speaker 2: So this is it's a great story. I mean, he 164 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:32,519 he's very much like the Curtis Armstrong character in One 165 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,680 Crazy Summer, like the Atac character, he's a softer guy 166 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,480 who has this kind of you know, heavy tough dad. 167 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,519 But he when he was a kid, he fell in 168 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:44,680 love with the idea of making movies when he saw 169 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,240 a Planet of the Apes. He loved Woody Allen and 170 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,319 how Woody Allen would put animation and other kind of 171 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:53,720 weird comedy things in his movies. And so he would 172 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,160 they had, you know, like the old cam quarters like 173 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:59,279 you had, And he would make movies with his little 174 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:01,839 sister as the star of the movie. And would you 175 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,480 like to guess the little sister's nickname, Squid? That is correct, Yes, 176 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:09,279 the little sister in One Crazy Summer is named after 177 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:12,120 Savage Steve Holland's actual little sister. 178 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:15,399 Speaker 3: While we're here, that little girl says two words in 179 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:19,240 One Crazy Summer. Actually, technically she says one word twice, right. 180 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: Right, right, she says Bosco, which is of course the 181 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:26,680 name of the dog. Yes, right, the uliest dog in 182 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:27,040 the world. 183 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,319 Speaker 6: Right. 184 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he're some ugly kids in this neighborhood. That's a 185 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,759 great scene. But so he's making movies with her, but 186 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,039 he's having her do her own stunts, and she's getting 187 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,879 hurt and she's like, I'm done with this. I'm not 188 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,000 doing this anymore. And so he realizes that he's got 189 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,679 to draw. He's so he does stop animation with his 190 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,080 cam quord and he's animating pictures just like, I mean, 191 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,279 both of these movies, your main character is an artist 192 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,000 who's doing cartoons, right. 193 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,159 Speaker 10: Very autobiographical these two movies, right, And so he's doing 194 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,399 that and he applies he wants to be a film director, 195 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,879 of course, and so he applies to Cal Arts to. 196 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: Get into their film directing school. And as you might expect, 197 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,480 his family was like, is this really a good idea? 198 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:11,919 Are you going to be able to make any money 199 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:13,759 doing this? I mean, you're just a guy who draws 200 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,240 dumb pictures. And his dad says, listen, if you get in, 201 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,080 I will support you. If you don't get in, you 202 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,759 have to go to military school. So once again, just 203 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:28,200 like backac in One Crazy Summer, right, Well, he gets in. 204 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:32,200 He's not you know, he's not like the best student 205 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,600 in his class. He's not a George Lucas or Steven 206 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:39,120 Spielberg from his class. But he makes this kind of 207 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,080 dumb little black and white movie based upon a birthday 208 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,000 party he had when he was eleven years old, and 209 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,360 he literally calls it my eleven year old birthday party. Right. 210 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,440 I look for this on YouTube. I cannot. I can't 211 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,120 find it either. But he makes that movie, and then 212 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,320 he gets out of film school and the only job 213 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,039 he can get is with this brand new show that's 214 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,919 even just like a sequence on another new show called 215 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,039 Entertainment Tonight. 216 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, this is the et Entertainment Tonight. 217 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:10,279 Speaker 2: When it very first started, Yes, and they would have 218 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,120 little animated bits that they did, and Savage Steve Holland 219 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:16,279 was the guy who would animate those things. As it 220 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,480 turns out, the producers of a new game show see 221 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,720 some of the animation that he has done with this 222 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,759 Entertainment Tonight show. Right, do you know the game show? 223 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,879 I do? Can you tell the crowd what the game 224 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:30,559 show is? That is called Press Your Luck? And if 225 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,679 you don't know it from the name, you'll know it 226 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,799 from Nomy's No Emmy's no w Emmy. Stop all right, players, 227 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:38,039 just what we've all been waiting for? 228 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: The big board over eighty thousand in cash up. 229 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: They're waiting for you to take it away. 230 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:43,279 Speaker 7: One prize worth more than five thousand dollars. 231 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 5: However, the bad news is there's some Wammies, both Tammy 232 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,679 and Wemmy are up there looking to take away. 233 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: Your money, big bucks, stop, stop at our whom He 234 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,120 drew the as on that show, every single one of them. 235 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:04,919 And if you if you don't remember from the show, 236 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,039 if it's been too long, when they hit a whammy, 237 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,879 there would be a different little scene of that whammy 238 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,440 crawling across the screen, you know, laborating and doing something, 239 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,600 bowing the yard, any number of things. And here's the 240 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,559 other thing. He had to do it in twelve frames, 241 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,600 like he had twelve frames to create that little story. 242 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:24,120 And that's what he did with Wayman, and it paid 243 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,879 him pretty good money, which will come up here in 244 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:30,759 a minute, right right. And so with this dumb little 245 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:33,879 black and white movie that he's got, he somehow somehow 246 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:38,320 gets it as an opening for like the premiere of 247 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,480 Eating Raoul. Okay, okay, so you remember the movie Eating Rawulf, 248 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,679 Well they have the premiere and his his show is 249 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,679 like the opening little short, right, some sad clown and 250 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,840 the eleven year old birthday party thing right right, And 251 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:56,000 he meant for it to be sad, right, so sad, 252 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:59,799 but it ended up being really funny, kind of like 253 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:02,879 killing yourself should be sad, but he made it funny, 254 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,720 that's right. And so he has this dumb show that 255 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:09,159 he does right, and he gets home. Back in the 256 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,440 days when people had answering machines, he gets home and 257 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,159 he has three hundred and sixty messages from people who 258 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:20,799 have loved the show. Right, that's insane. Later that evening, 259 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:24,279 same night that he's like on cloud nine because everybody 260 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:26,799 has loved a show and he's gotten all these voicemails 261 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:30,759 about how much everybody loves his show. His girlfriend breaks 262 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,639 up with him right that same night, and so he 263 00:12:36,759 --> 00:12:40,159 goes back and he's like, I thought this was love. 264 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,519 I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't think 265 00:12:42,519 --> 00:12:45,200 I can go on living without her, and he literally 266 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:51,720 starts contemplating suicide. He thinks about hanging himself in the garage, 267 00:12:51,919 --> 00:12:54,200 and he's like, I should at least call Henry Winkler. 268 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Henry Winkler, Henry Wad the Fonds is one of the voicemails, 269 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:02,039 one of the guys who's seen this premiere. He's one 270 00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:04,600 of the voicemails on his answering machine, and so he 271 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:07,200 calls him up and he's like, listen, I loved it. 272 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,399 I've got a spare office at my office. You can 273 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,720 use the Xerox machine. You just come in and you 274 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:14,600 just write whatever you want to write. And so he 275 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,399 just kind of shows up. He's still kind of bummed 276 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:20,679 out about his girlfriend breaking up with him, and Henry 277 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,279 Winkler is like, so, what are you going to write 278 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:24,159 about it? He's like, I don't know. He goes, well, 279 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:26,600 you can do that the clown thing with the birthday thing, 280 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,519 and he's like that was kind of the whole story. 281 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,440 He's like, well, what's going on in your life and 282 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,360 he's like, well, I'm kind of suicidal because my girlfriend 283 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,440 broke up with me. And Henry Wrinkler is like, great, 284 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,200 right about that? 285 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:39,639 Speaker 9: Right? 286 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:43,919 Speaker 2: Well, so that is how we got the script for 287 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,840 Better Off Debt. 288 00:13:53,799 --> 00:13:56,879 Speaker 3: It's crazy. So Henry Winkler when he says, hey, come 289 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,879 to my office that's on Paramount Campus, Yeah, that gets 290 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:01,720 him through the gate. 291 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, at this point, he's much more than 292 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,159 the Fonds, Like, he is a producer and one of 293 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:12,399 the shows that he produced stars a young actor named 294 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:16,720 John Cusack. That's called the sure Thing. Sure Thing, Now, 295 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:19,159 I love the sure Thing. Yeah, I haven't seen it. 296 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: Okay, it's a Rob Ryder movie. It's got Daphnine Zuniga 297 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,279 from space Ball. 298 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: Spaceball. Yeah, it's got Nicolette Sheridan. She's the sure Thing, 299 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:31,519 right right. Anthony Edwards is in that as well, okay, perfect? Yeah, 300 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:34,000 oh yeah he is. I know he's for you. Yeah. 301 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:35,679 He's the guy who's he's talking to on the phone 302 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,200 saying you need to come out here too. He's the 303 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,320 guy saying, yeah, that's she's the sure Thing. Yes. 304 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:41,879 Speaker 3: And then you've got John Cusack, who's the leading man 305 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:42,960 in that movie. 306 00:14:42,759 --> 00:14:47,679 Speaker 2: First leading performance. Yes. So he's got this script. He's 307 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,159 got this little black and white movie that he's done. 308 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,799 But they can't get this script sold to anybody. They're 309 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:54,960 showing it to all kinds of producers and directors and 310 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,279 stuff like that. And so he's thinking, well, maybe if 311 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,080 I just like write a do a short that's kind 312 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,240 of a piece of this better off Dead idea, maybe 313 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,159 I can do something with that. And so he knows 314 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,879 Henry Winkler, the freakin' fund, the freaking Fonds, who's helping 315 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,039 him out here, right, and he's like, Henry's like, yeah, 316 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,879 I'll play a part in this little short film of yours. 317 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:17,440 And so he's like some evil ice cream salesman or 318 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,360 something in this, okay. And then in the process of 319 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,039 trying to to get this film made, he's met several 320 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:31,039 film directors, including Amy Heckerling, Amy Heckerling, Fast Times, Richemont 321 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,799 High just got done directing it. She loves his stuff, 322 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,759 and she's like anything I can do to help, And 323 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:39,840 he's like, hey, Amy, I'm gonna make a short film. 324 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:42,480 Will you be in the short film? So he has 325 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:46,080 her act. Okay, Okay, so he has her act and 326 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,559 so what he does is he makes this short film, 327 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:50,919 this first date short film that's kind of a shorter 328 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:54,440 version of The Better Off Dead right, and Amy Heckerling 329 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:56,440 is the star. Now here's the beautiful part about this. 330 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,080 She is dating a big time movie producer, and so 331 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,320 whenever it's like, hey, my girlfriend's not directing but starring 332 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:10,399 in this short film, he calls all of his producer 333 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:14,039 buddies up and they all watch it together. And then 334 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:16,360 all of a sudden, the offers start to come in. 335 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:19,840 Guys from the breakfast club I think end up picking 336 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,000 it up, but they don't end up shooting it. It's 337 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,399 like up and down, as scripts tend to go. But ultimately, 338 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,000 this guy named Michael Jaffe, who's produced a ton of stuff, 339 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,919 he calls Savage Steve Holland and says, hey, I want 340 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,000 you to doctor a script for me. You know, I'm 341 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,480 trying to make one of these high school movies that 342 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,919 everybod's so excited about. And so Savage Steve Holland meets 343 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,159 with him and he's like, hey, you know, if you 344 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:44,919 if you're talking to me because you liked my script, 345 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:47,039 why don't you just make my script? And he's like, 346 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,639 I don't know, I just can't see it. And Savage 347 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:52,559 Steve Holland, being the artist, he's like, oh, well, it's 348 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,960 okay because I've already got it storyboarded out, and he's 349 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,279 got the whole storyboard and that's how he ultimately finds 350 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,879 the producer for Better Off Debt. That's fantastic. 351 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,279 Speaker 3: So I just want to go back over this because 352 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:06,559 he really is at the bottom floor on so many 353 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:12,039 events like crisscrossing eighties pop culture. So you've got entertainment 354 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,640 tonight number one, You've got Pressure Luck, which was an iconic. 355 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: Eighties game show The Fawns. 356 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,079 Speaker 3: You've got the freaking Fawns in the early eighties. Who 357 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,880 is a superstar at the time, Amy Heckerling, who is 358 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,960 about to make maybe the most influential teen movie of 359 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,839 all time, which probably gave us that run of teen 360 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,680 movies that we got in the eighties, and then office 361 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,839 on paramount and things are starting to happen. 362 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: What going to start happening to me today? I mean, 363 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,160 it's incredible just being there at that correct time, you know. Yeah, 364 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,200 And so of course Henry Winkler, having produced The Sure Thing, says, hey, 365 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,200 I got the perfect kid to star in your movies. 366 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: So I know the studio was nervous with John Cusack 367 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,000 because the only thing he had been in that they 368 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,480 had seen up to that point with sixteen Candles. 369 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: Right where, he's a nerd. He's like the brothers and 370 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,400 the twins that are just he's Farmer Ted's right hand man, 371 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,640 who's a geek, a sidekick. He's a sidekick, right right. 372 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,799 Speaker 3: And you and I were laughing about the quote when 373 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,599 farmer Ted knocks over that giant pile of beer cans. 374 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:22,039 He turns around, he says, come on, I can't bring 375 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:27,240 you anywhere this week, right, And then John Kyszack turns 376 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,200 to his brother and. 377 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,839 Speaker 2: Says, real smooth Cliff. 378 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 5: Very nice. 379 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:42,279 Speaker 2: We're five minutes and I'm gonna loss. 380 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,079 Speaker 9: Real smooth Cliff. 381 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,079 Speaker 2: He leaves, and that poor Cliff brother is just standing 382 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:52,000 there now that he was in he was in better 383 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,599 off dead. I know you told me this the other day. 384 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,319 Who is he? So in the scene where you've got 385 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,319 the you've got the math class where he's talking and 386 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,000 it's just this no math that any human being would understand, 387 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,599 and everybody's just entranced and they're all excited and laughing 388 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,039 and volunteering and stuff. He's like, all right, now, if 389 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:13,480 you'll get it, get out your assignments that I gave 390 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:15,960 to you, answers to this paltry little problem that I 391 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,799 gave you. 392 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: You. 393 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: Remember, there's a kid who like gets out this full 394 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,599 sized suitcase, opens it up and has a dot Matrix 395 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,319 printer in it. That's brother Cliff from sixteen. 396 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 3: Sixty candis Yes, side note, Yes, I got into a 397 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,319 college major where I shouldn't have been for a while, yeah, 398 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,200 which required me to take math for majors. Right, And 399 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,599 I looked around in my calculus for major's class and 400 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,200 realized it was like that class, everybody was on top 401 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:48,480 of it. 402 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 2: Not this guy. Yeah, I can't identify with that I had. 403 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,400 I had honors calculus my first semester in college, having 404 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,720 never had any calculus at all, not pretty calculus or 405 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:03,519 and I was like, okay, because I could figure it out. 406 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:05,400 That's what I did in high school. I'll figure it 407 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,559 out right. It was fine. And then the professor first 408 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:10,319 day of class, he's like, now, I know a lot 409 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,640 of professors will give you partial credit for your work 410 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,000 even if you don't have the answer right. I don't 411 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:18,640 do that. If you get the answer wrong, the whole 412 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,839 thing is wrong. It doesn't matter how good your work is, 413 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,279 because if you get it wrong. When you work for NASA, 414 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,640 the shuttle flies into the sun, does nobody's gonna give 415 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,119 you credit for your most of your work being right 416 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,119 if it flies into the sun. I'm like, I'm not 417 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,640 going to work for NASA. And then he asked to 418 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,200 date your girlfriend. Yeah, so this is a little awkward. 419 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,440 That's a funny running joke throughout Better Off Dead. It's 420 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,160 great name. 421 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,079 Speaker 9: This is a bit awkward. I've heard a few things 422 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:56,960 and well, I was wondering if you would mind if 423 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,200 I took out Beth. 424 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: Which, by the way, in real life Savage Steve Hollins's 425 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,000 girlfriend broke up with him. 426 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, he became suicidal. I heard him mention that he 427 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:13,200 went into his garage strung up a noose and when 428 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:16,200 he tried to do the. 429 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: Act, the wire broke. 430 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,519 Speaker 3: He landed on the trash can, busted the trash can, 431 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,599 the pipe started leaking water on top of his head, 432 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:27,079 and his mom came out and yelled. 433 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,319 Speaker 2: At was she the one that knocked him over while 434 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,839 she was a vacuumating right, exactly? 435 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,799 Speaker 3: So serious thing, funny event, Yeah, you know, yeah, so 436 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:38,119 I think that's hilarious. 437 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, she was. I mean, we can't really 438 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,920 switch over to one game. This is like a sequential thing. 439 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,519 This is a nice deal when we have the same director, writer, 440 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,839 same star. This is one thing happens and the next 441 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:53,000 thing happens. And so the only jump that we're going 442 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:55,240 to make from Better Off Dead to One Crazy Summer 443 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:58,400 is they were in the middle of shooting One Crazy 444 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Summer when they watched Better Off Dead for the first time. 445 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,359 And this is what we were alluding to before and 446 00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:07,720 John Cusack gets up in the middle of it and 447 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:09,079 walks out to me. 448 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: This is the biggest story of the entire two part podcast, 449 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,799 the fact that John Cusack hated Better Off Dead so 450 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:22,799 much that he didn't speak to his director the entire time. 451 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,799 Speaker 2: He makes one crazy summer right, like he confronted him 452 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,599 after seeing Better Off Dead and says, you've ruined my career. 453 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,160 I can't believe you did this, which to me, I 454 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,680 don't know, like, how are you filming the scenes in 455 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:39,400 Better Off Dead? And you don't know what's going on? Well, 456 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,640 not only that they're watching dailies together, right, it just 457 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,079 doesn't make any sense. Savagete vall and said they would 458 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:49,279 go back to their room together, watch dailies together and 459 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,359 laugh their asses off. So I heard John Cusack talk 460 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,039 about this, and you know, he has said that in 461 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,759 all movies that he watches, he's embarrassed by the movie. 462 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:04,359 But then you know, that's just the way that it is. 463 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,799 It's just you find the things that are wrong on 464 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:09,680 it with it, and you tend to focus on those things. 465 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,240 And he said, not about these movies, because I doubt 466 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:15,640 that he's probably watched them again, but he says I've 467 00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:18,400 I've seen myself in movies and thought, oh my gosh, 468 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,519 I've done so terrible in this this is such an 469 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:23,039 awful movie. And then years later i'll see it again 470 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:25,200 I'll be like, oh, actually, that was kind of a 471 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,039 good decision. And so it's just it's human nature, you know, especially, 472 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,720 I mean, you just got to think about it. You 473 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,480 were a young kid. I mean he's early twenties, he's 474 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,359 like twenty, Yeah, on the cusp of maybe being a star, 475 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,640 and you do this kind of goofy movie. It could 476 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,519 scare you, it could. I mean, if I was twenty, 477 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:47,880 I could see myself being scared that. I get his fear. 478 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: I do, because it's it's a one of a kind movie. Yeah, 479 00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:53,559 it's goofy, it's absurd, it's oddball. 480 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,279 Speaker 2: But it's so. 481 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 3: Sweet, right, and so cute. Yeah, it's basically irresistible. But 482 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,079 I can see where he would be, you know, uncomfortable 483 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,519 with it. Yeah, But to point the finger at him 484 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:09,440 and say, you tricked me, you deceived me, Yeah, and 485 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,759 I hate you and don't freaking talk to me again. 486 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: Right, it's twenty yeah, but that was also forty years ago, right, Yeah, No, 487 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,839 I get that, and I think that he's kind of 488 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,559 he's eased up on his reaction to it. But I 489 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:25,920 mean that doesn't mean that he's going to go make 490 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,359 friends with savage Steve Holland. 491 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,039 Speaker 3: Again, that bothers me. You know, I've got something for you. Okay, 492 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,279 and wait, wait real quick before we go there. 493 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: Okay. So he bawls out Savage Steve Holland, and then 494 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:44,119 he follows this movie with Hot Pursuit right five point 495 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,319 seven on I it's not good. I've seen it. And 496 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,799 this movie that I've never heard of with him and 497 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,759 Tim Robbins called tape Heads. I'm not seeing that. I'm 498 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:58,000 so five point seven, like, I mean, he wasn't picking 499 00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:58,839 good ones. Anyway. 500 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: Let me throw John Cusack a bone before I fix 501 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,599 in a tear him down, right, Okay, So he does 502 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,039 two movies I love Better Off Dead. I love I 503 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,160 think it's eighties iconic, it's hilarious, it's fun, it's sweet, 504 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,319 it's genuine, all these things. One Crazy Summer is also 505 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,799 those things. He does those two crap movies. He then 506 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,000 does say anything Right eighty nine, which you covered recently, Right, 507 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:26,960 I just did that with Document seventy seven. I did 508 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,880 it with Amber Lewis and Dayton Johnson. We had a 509 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,680 great time discussing one of the most romantic movies of 510 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,200 nineteen eighty nine. In fact, I'd love to cover it 511 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,319 some time, maybe against When Harry Met Sally, two of 512 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,279 the best romantic comedies of eighty nine. 513 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:40,759 Speaker 2: Nice. 514 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,279 Speaker 3: He is so awesome in that movie, and he's not 515 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:51,240 at all nerdy, goofball, It's sweet, genuine, it's yeah, it's. 516 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: Just a great movie anyway. And then he does eight 517 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,480 min out after that, right, eight min out was in 518 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,400 eighty eight, which is previous to that. Oh okay, so 519 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,839 he did eight min out and then he did say anything, yes, okay, gotcha. 520 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,559 Speaker 3: But I mean, four years later, you're still playing a 521 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,480 high school kid, which right, yeah, of course by Jay 522 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,799 Fox was twenty five and back in the future. So 523 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,400 before I give him all this crap, I'm just gonna say, 524 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:16,599 is John Cusack the greatest actor of all time? Because 525 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,759 he makes us believe that he is a lovable loser 526 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,640 in all of these movies when maybe he's not so lovable, 527 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,319 and he's definitely not a loser. 528 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: He's definitely not a loser. I will tell you. I mean, 529 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,799 I've I've heard him interview in podcasts as a as 530 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:38,440 an adult. I mean this was four years ago, you 531 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,960 know that. And he's he is a man with humility 532 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,160 who has said, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. 533 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:48,359 It's crazy that I am this lucky. He's also very intelligent. 534 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,599 He is. I don't necessarily agree with the things that 535 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,599 he says all the time, but he's you can't say 536 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,960 that he's not well thought out. It's not educated, and 537 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,559 somebody who speaks with humility and respect, And so I 538 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,680 tend to think, hey, you know, he was a dumb 539 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,400 kid when he was twenty, so was I Maybe he 540 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,759 grew up a little bit, all right. 541 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,279 Speaker 3: So on that note, I want to I want to 542 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,799 tell you something funny. Yeah, okay, So in say anything, 543 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,960 he's pursuing the unattainable girl, right right and better off dead. 544 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,720 He gets dumped by his girlfriend and stumbles upon this 545 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:24,000 French exchange students and it's great fun. In one crazy summer, 546 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,440 he stumbles into a romance that he didn't expect to happen. 547 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,079 So I'm partially kidding, of course. Let me give you 548 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,640 a list of women that he has dated in real life. 549 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,079 Oh okay, okay, So this lovable loser thing is not 550 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,640 who he is, right, Okay, he has dated keep up now, 551 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,839 Uma Thurman okay, Lily Taylor say anything? 552 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: Oh got youa? Yeah, Claire for. 553 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: Lannie okay, Maul Rats, yes, okay, Alison Eastwood Clint Eastwood's daughter, 554 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,319 who's a babe? 555 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:02,599 Speaker 2: Okay? Meg Ryan Wow, never can amble? Okay, Minie Driver 556 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:04,720 all right. 557 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,079 Speaker 3: Jennifer love Hewitt Okay, right, yeah, Janice Dickinson the first 558 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:16,000 supermodel okay, yeah, Brooke Burns okay, major babe all right, 559 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:24,039 Gina Gershawn, oh hello, Jamie Gertz, Wow, Rebecca Romaine, Pamela Anderson. 560 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:34,599 Speaker 2: Gilbert, Oh my gosh, Ryl Crow okay, Susannah Melvoine, Oh wow? 561 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:41,160 You remember her? Uh yeah, the sister of uh the 562 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,200 other Melvoye from from Princess band Revere. Yes, Wendy Melvoyne, 563 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:45,599 thank you? 564 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:49,279 Speaker 3: Uh Shoshanna Gross Does that mean anything to you? 565 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,039 Speaker 2: I think I know who that is too. Yeah. 566 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: She was Jerry Seinfeld's high school girl, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 567 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,039 smoking hot? 568 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, any spears okay, yeah, probably in the heyday and 569 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,559 not right now. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. 570 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,160 Those are famous women that he has dated d Gum, 571 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,640 So he is the luckiest guy in the world. I mean, 572 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,000 he's he's doing well for himself. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Okay, 573 00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,240 So obviously we know that John Cusack is the star 574 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,599 of both of these movies, but you have you have 575 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,160 some other overlap in it. Curtis Armstrong is, yes, one 576 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,920 of the overlaps, and then Taylor Taylor Negron. Taylor Negron 577 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,559 is in both the Laura Waterbury's in both of them. Okay, 578 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,200 Rich Little is in both of them. He's he's he 579 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,519 was in Better Off Dead? Where was he in Better 580 00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:40,079 Off Dead? 581 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 3: Allow me to educate you on the cast of Dead? Okay, 582 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,079 all right, yeah, so I just want to talk about 583 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,559 it a few of these okay, real quick, Okay, John 584 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,000 Cusack is Lane Meyer. How he almost got the part 585 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,519 of John Bender in Breakfast Club? Okay, How different is 586 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:02,039 his career if an eighty five he goes John Bender 587 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:03,160 rather than Lane Meyer. 588 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: Very different? I think, so too, right, Yeah for sure? Okay, 589 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,640 David Ogden Steers is his dad. Mash Mash. That's it, Like, 590 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,119 that's that. I'm like that. I immediately go to Mash 591 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,519 all right, quick trivia question, Yes. 592 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: What world famous animated character did David Ogden Steer's voice. 593 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,319 Speaker 2: He was the clock in Beauty and the Beast. That's right, 594 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,720 Disney's Beauty in the Beat. That's love it, love it 595 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,920 to see you out in the bout Madmoiselle. I am 596 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,680 Cogsworth the household. 597 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,599 Speaker 3: This is a chante Chevy points for d Thank you, 598 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,079 good job, all right. 599 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: And then you have Diane Franklin, who is Monique Juneau. Yeah, hey, yes, 600 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,240 something is wrong. 601 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 4: How you say, doc head? 602 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,359 Speaker 5: He is an unlessh sex fiend Ricky. 603 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: He will not leave me alone. He sinks because I 604 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,519 stay here. I am his love. God. This is astre No. 605 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,279 We know that she is the one of the princesses 606 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,759 in the Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. 607 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: Yes, she was in an earlier teen comedy called The 608 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,920 Last American Virgin. 609 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,119 Speaker 2: Okay, did you ever see that? I haven't seen it. 610 00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: Pretty influential movie in the early eighties. Heartbreaking scene at 611 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,039 the end, kind of a crusher at the end. Okay, 612 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,599 And she's talked about this many times, but I mean, 613 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,000 if you watch that movie, at the end. 614 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, oh my goodness. Okay, So don't give 615 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,119 it away, don't spoil it for me. Her French accent 616 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,319 she had done just prior to in a movie called 617 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640 Second Time Lucky. Okay, oh that was the one you 618 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,480 sent me the picture of she looked good. Well, yeah, okay. 619 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,799 Kim Darby plays Jenny Meyer. That's his mother. 620 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 4: In honor of our special guests, I've created dinner Mondu. First, 621 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:10,200 we have French fries and French dressing and fronch bread 622 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,759 and to drink. 623 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,759 Speaker 2: Peru. Do you know something about this? 624 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,119 Speaker 5: Yeah? 625 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: She was the little girl in True Grit. She was 626 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,519 the little girl in True Grit. Yeah. That to me. 627 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,079 I was bowled over by that. Yeah, that's awesome, the original. 628 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: True Grit Wayne, Right, Okay. Now, Curtis Armstrong plays Charles Dumar. 629 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 9: Listen to Styalin Kid. 630 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:32,359 Speaker 3: He's a funk. 631 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 9: Now you show rock, you show him. 632 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:40,759 Speaker 3: Hawsteer really Steez, right, his best buddy who got the 633 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,599 job because savag Steve Holland liked him. 634 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: In Risky Business, Yeah, he had been in He had 635 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,440 been in Risky Business in eighty three and Nerds was 636 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,119 eighty four eighty four. He played Booger in Revenge of 637 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,720 the Nerds. Right, Yeah, we had which is funny because 638 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,119 we had just when I when I talked about One 639 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,079 Crazy Summer with Jeff Johnson from the A Film By podcast, 640 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,400 we had just gotten finished with Nerds versus Animal House. Yeah, 641 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,920 and I have some overlap with Animal House as well. Yeah, 642 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:19,440 but yeah, so guys, that was a Patreon episode for 643 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,319 a film Buy, but it's free, So I would encourage 644 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,119 everybody go over to a film Buy. You just put 645 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,319 your email in and you get that free episode with 646 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,319 some other free episodes that they have. They do like 647 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:30,960 a best of eighty six. I think they're trying to 648 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,039 get eighty six of the movies. They just dropped their 649 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,519 eighty sixth. Nice episode. Definitely go check that out. Okay. 650 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,279 Speaker 3: The girl who plays Beth in Better Off Dead, Yeah, 651 00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:45,759 that's Amanda wiss Yep. Her claim to fame is she 652 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,720 is the first person killed by Freddy Krueger in the 653 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:52,160 original Nightmare in Elm Street. 654 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: I knew I recognized her face from something. 655 00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:59,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's back when those movies were actually scary. Yeah, 656 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,839 she's climbed along on the ceiling. He's killing her and 657 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,559 she's they're freaking out. They're watching her on the ceiling 658 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,559 or like cuts start happening. 659 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,759 Speaker 2: On her body. 660 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 3: And I first time I saw that, I was like, 661 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,079 oh my gosh, that Beth and I can't remember what 662 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,440 her character's name is, but she's the first person killed 663 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,199 by Freddy Kirker. 664 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,199 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay. Now, then Aaron Doser plays Roy Staalin. 665 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:31,559 Speaker 6: Where looking really good today, Buddy, looking real good. 666 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: He is the ski guy that steals Beth away from him. 667 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:41,360 Is the best douchey bully like he he he's Johnny 668 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:49,159 from a karate Kid level good seeing a boyfriend? How 669 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,880 did this guy not get more John Lawrence parts? Well, 670 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,280 I don't know because you told me. Like he he 671 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,599 came into the audition as that guy, right, Yeah, like 672 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,679 saw savage Steve Holland in his in his Hawaiian shirt. 673 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,960 He says, he said, who's the chubby kid? And like 674 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,320 showy magnum. 675 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 3: P I over here exactly right, So listen to what 676 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,880 he was up against. They were they were looking at 677 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,559 Charlie Sheen for that part. They were looking at Chad 678 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,480 McQueen we talked about in The Karate Kid. 679 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,119 Speaker 2: He played Dutch in The Karate Kid. Steve McQueen's son. 680 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,360 He just passed away. I think this past year. 681 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the matter, I mean, not here to address you. 682 00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,840 That guy was awesome in the Karate Kid and he 683 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,760 could have been super scary. 684 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,679 Speaker 2: But listen to this. 685 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 3: So here's what Roy excuse me, Aaron Doser, not Roy Stallin, 686 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,320 the actor who played Roy Stallin, said they had hired 687 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,960 somebody that he wouldn't name, okay, which tells me it's 688 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,159 somebody famous, which is probably one of those two guys. 689 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,719 He couldn't make pig noises. 690 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna he couldn't ski. He couldn't 691 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,679 make pig noise. 692 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 3: He couldn't make pig noises. And as you know, in 693 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,280 that part in the humiliating scene where Blaine is thrown 694 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,159 out of the kitchen, he's like, we you looking really 695 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:14,760 good today? 696 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,039 Speaker 2: Right? 697 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 3: He couldn't make pig noises, and so they fired him 698 00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:19,199 because this. 699 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 2: Dude could do it. Wow. I thought that was hilarious, man. 700 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,119 So I think the best part about this is what 701 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,920 happens to him later in life. No, he doesn't get 702 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,000 any more starring roles. What happens to him tell me? 703 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 3: He becomes a ski instructor for Boston College, their their 704 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:36,920 ski team. 705 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 2: He's a coach. That is fantastic. Asked me if he 706 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,079 could ski before he did Better Off Dead. Could he ski? 707 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,039 He could not. He couldn't ski. 708 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:47,159 Speaker 3: What he and Cusack went up a few days early 709 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:48,960 just to get acquainted with skis. 710 00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is crazy. 711 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: Better Off Dead leads to a coaching position in a 712 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:56,079 Division one program. 713 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 2: Wow, how about that? That is crazy. I thought that 714 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,960 was fantastic. Oh gosh, Okay, okay. Now Damien Slade plays 715 00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:09,639 Johnny Gasparini. Is he he's the kid, He's the newspaper kid, 716 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,199 two dollars cash, I don't have a dime, didn'tess for 717 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,639 a dime. 718 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,679 Speaker 3: So that kid got the job because he played that 719 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,039 as a serial killer. 720 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 2: And I mean it's that part of the movie is 721 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,599 he's like the Stocking monster from a horror movie. He 722 00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,159 really is. He's the unstoppable killing him. He's like the terminator. 723 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,760 He really is. It's fantastic and maybe maybe the most 724 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,320 memorable line from the movie. If you see John Cusack 725 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,519 on the street, you might just say, I want my 726 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:43,599 two dollars. That is the line. He might punch in 727 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,559 the face too, because I'm sure he hears it a 728 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:46,760 million times a day. 729 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Damian Slade was twelve years old. Now get this, 730 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,360 Here's the Here's the Kicker. 731 00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know if you know this or not. 732 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,519 His lines were looped. Okay, did you hear this story? No, 733 00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,119 his lines were looped. This is according to Die and 734 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:04,880 Franklin by actor Yano Anaya. Okay, does that ring a 735 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,719 bell to you? Was he in another movie that I know? Yes? 736 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,239 Was it? Uh? Never ending story? 737 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,159 Speaker 3: No? 738 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: Okay, then tell me. He played Michael Anthony in the 739 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,159 Hot for Teacher video number one. 740 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,199 Speaker 3: As the kid as the kid. Okay, young Michael Anthony 741 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Hot for Teacher. He also plays Grover Dill in a 742 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,440 Christmas story The Toady. 743 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,679 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, wow, I didn't know it was the same 744 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,960 kid as the as the Hot for Teacher video. 745 00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:33,199 Speaker 6: Yeah. 746 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, that's awesome. And he's one of the little 747 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,960 Newspaper boy gang right yeah, when it's when it yet? 748 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,119 And what a great scene that is, Like I didn't 749 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,519 like they have their dramatic lighting coming up from it's 750 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:49,400 so absurd. 751 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 3: It's so absurd, but it's it's so funny. I just 752 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,519 don't know how they pull it off, right. 753 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 2: Scooter Stevens. 754 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,079 Speaker 3: The award for Best Name goes to Scooter steven who 755 00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:06,840 plays Badger his kid brother in the movie. 756 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 2: Oh right, not a single line in the whole thing. 757 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,039 Speaker 3: Doesn't say one single word, and manages to pick up 758 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:13,159 trashy women everywhere. 759 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 2: Yep, I want that book. Sorry, just kidding, just kidding. 760 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,920 He builds a laser, a space shuttle and picks up 761 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,159 trashy women in the entire movie. That's whatever a twelve 762 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,159 year old boy wanted to do. 763 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 3: At that point, I think, all right, this, I'm hoping 764 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,679 to blow your your your socks off here a little bit. 765 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Yugi a Kamoto, Yes, plays ye suk Ree? How 766 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,400 would cow sell? Yes? 767 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 3: Language lessons inspired words? Now do you recognize that actor? Okay, yes, well, shoot, 768 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,400 that's right. He is in He's in Karate Kid too. 769 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,239 He's the main bad guy, the main Yeah, he's the 770 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,639 main bat that Daniel has. And then he comes back 771 00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:59,199 again in Cobra Kai like season two or three, I think, 772 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,239 and and it's. 773 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 2: He's he's a great part. He's a great part in 774 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,639 that series too. 775 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,679 Speaker 3: He goes from this he's a goofball funny Howard Cosell 776 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,559 impersonating Chinese guy to danielssn's nemesis. 777 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:17,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he kills it because he's I mean he's 778 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,480 a tall, good looking guy. He's tough, and he didn't 779 00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,039 fall for no crane kick, by the way, right does 780 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,960 he falls for the but the and and here's another 781 00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:33,559 here's another interesting crossover for the movies. Right, that's not 782 00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:35,920 his voice doing the Howard co Cell voice. He is 783 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,159 lip syncing to who to Rich Little? Who was? I mean, 784 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,719 if if you grew up in the eighties, you know 785 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,519 who Rich Little was because he was the guy who 786 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,880 did all the impressions. He was constantly on HBO doing 787 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,880 stand up William Nelson, yes, and all the and Howard 788 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,079 Cosell and John Wayne and all of those. But he 789 00:40:56,199 --> 00:41:00,559 is also the DJ in One Crazy Summer where they 790 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,199 do in the big radio giveaway of a million dollars. 791 00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,679 Weren't you just ask me a minute ago? He was 792 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,599 in both movies. He's he is, he is in Better 793 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,320 Off Dead. His voice is in Better Off Dead is 794 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,320 Howard Cosell. And then he's the radio guy in One 795 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,000 Crazy Ses That's correct, Yes. 796 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 5: Okay, excuse Smiths as trolley us applying madam morphosis off. 797 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,119 Speaker 7: The lamee myer. 798 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 5: I think the clown's more expecting to say hair and 799 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,519 probably mount perhaps she'll can't tell us what what brought 800 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:44,519 on such an unchesteding accelerate thing. Faint language lessons why 801 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:50,159 which lesson inspired words from a man who knows how 802 00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:50,800 to escape? 803 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,119 Speaker 2: Now, then Laura Waterbury plays Missus Smith, missus, oh, missus 804 00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:01,079 Smith Ricky's mouth. Well, as we're discovering on our household, 805 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,079 you don't need words to speak the uh. 806 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 4: The international language, you know, love. 807 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,079 Speaker 3: Yes, Ricky's mom, Gee, Ricky, I'm really sorry, mom, blew up. 808 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,519 I guess you won't be able to eat any spicy 809 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:22,440 foods for a while. 810 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:28,199 Speaker 2: She is awesome and better off that she's really good. Yes. Oh, 811 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,679 and by the way, how about a real world foreshadowing 812 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,599 of somebody putting all of their testicles all everybody? Sorry, 813 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:39,519 what is it? 814 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,039 Speaker 7: No? 815 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,679 Speaker 2: I think it's testicals. It's actually testicles. So are we 816 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,599 here yet? We're here? We're here, We're here now, say 817 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,440 Dance Nighter now infamous Dance Snider. He was like top 818 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,800 dog at Nickelodeon, did all those shows with the Manda Bynes. 819 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,360 So I I saw, you know, obviously I saw this movie. 820 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,519 Knew him from that, Yes, and then I loved Head 821 00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:06,760 of the Class, which was he was on one of 822 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,639 the smart kids in the Head of the class. He 823 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,800 was the chubby guy who was friends with the cool 824 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,840 guy and they're all geniuses or whatever. And then later 825 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,119 on in life, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's direking movies 826 00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:22,639 for Nickelodeon. Cool, that's exciting. He was a superstar Nickelodeon, right, 827 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,679 And so then that Nickelodeon documentary whatever you want to 828 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,400 call it, comes out. I didn't even see it. I 829 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,639 haven't seen it. I just heard about what happened. And 830 00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,239 then my kids, I mean, my daughter is thirteen. She 831 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,519 watches the reruns of those shows, like The Victorious is 832 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:43,880 one of the shows, and I Carly and Sam and Kat. 833 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,360 She watches all of those shows, and I see that 834 00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:49,000 his name come up as director is one of those shows. 835 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,519 I'm like, oh, I recognize that name. Where do I 836 00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,320 know that from? And I look him up. I'm like, oh, 837 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,880 it's the guy from Head of the Class. Oh my gosh, 838 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,760 what in the world. He is the guy who was 839 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:06,679 sexually inappropriate with all of these young mostly female like 840 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,960 asking for massages. And I don't I don't know how 841 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:15,519 bad it got, but definitely not politically correct in today's 842 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:16,079 world at all. 843 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,119 Speaker 3: Go if you, especially if you've got kids thinking about 844 00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:24,400 acting being in the entertainment world, go watch that documentary. 845 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,760 It will open your eyes. 846 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, I know that girl from Sam 847 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,199 and Kat is. Yeah, she's not not happy about that 848 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,000 old experience. And you said a man to binds. I 849 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,519 mean she was. She went way off the deep end. 850 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:42,079 Yeah she she That's a whole another podcast, right right, right. So, 851 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,199 so Dan Snyder, Ricky Ricky Ricky in Better Off Dead 852 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,960 becomes the director that is the source of all of 853 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,000 the turmoil at Nickelodeon. Okay, let's separate that for just 854 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,039 one second. Okay, let's look at it, because. 855 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 3: He is hilarious and better Off Dead and I enjoyed 856 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,639 that performance for a lot of years before I learned 857 00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:04,840 about the Nickelodeon stuff. 858 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 2: He's we could still like oj and Naked Gun, can't. 859 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 3: We absolutely totally nordburg But like he does funny things, 860 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,079 like he snorts jello and he makes you know, he 861 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:26,599 puts his tentacles all over Monique and uh, just he's 862 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:28,639 really funny. And of course he has the ski pole 863 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,639 sword fight at the. 864 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 2: End of the movie. Yeah, you shouldn't upset mother. Here's 865 00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,320 the one thing. Okay, So they they redeem his character 866 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,119 a little bit because after John Cusick wins the sword 867 00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,800 fight with Ricky and Ricky is laying on top of 868 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,280 his mother, right, he gets his hand up by a 869 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,760 nerdy girl. Right, yeah, mister golden opportunity. It should have 870 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,320 been the girl that John Cusack was forced to go 871 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,760 out on a date with, that was the daughter of 872 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:05,400 his dad's off firm partner who had the yes, was like, 873 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,119 you can pay this, you can pay this. How about 874 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,719 you just getting will you take a check? Yes? If 875 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,599 it was her, it would have been the perfect button. 876 00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,400 But it's just random geeky girl that we've never seen before. 877 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:15,719 You know what. 878 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 3: You're exactly right. That would have been the girl with 879 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,960 the horrible intent on her face. 880 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 2: I love that. That's so funny. Okay, I got one 881 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,199 more name for actually, I got a couple names for you. Okay. 882 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,280 Speaker 3: So Taylor Negrin plays the Mailman. Yes, right, yep, he's 883 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,800 in one of the guys that he's also in one 884 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,800 crazy summer stand up comedian of He's now dead. I 885 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:35,519 don't know if you know that. 886 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 2: No, really, he passed away. But he's funny. He's one 887 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,840 of the guys, is like Lane, I know you and 888 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,480 I don't really know each other, but I remember this, right. 889 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,320 Was he on the pee Wee Herman show too? Did 890 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,760 he do pee Wee Herman stuff? Maybe? Okay, maybe, okay. 891 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:50,840 He's one of the guys who asked Lane if he 892 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,519 can ask out Beth. Right. I know, I don't really 893 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:56,039 know you. What a great scene. Let me he's just 894 00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,400 walking down the road. Just dropped robbing Bill's opening stuff 895 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,000 into the book Trashy Women pick Up Women. How about 896 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,440 the name Chuck Mitchell as Rocko? Is that meaning thing 897 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,400 to you? Chuck Mitchell is Rocko? Is he the big 898 00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:14,239 guy who owns the restaurant that he keeps running into 899 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,159 his truck? Fat pig? Yes? Yeah, no, no, pet pig, 900 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,480 Pat pig, hot pig. Right, gonna go wash my hands. 901 00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:24,639 I got a mold and packed. You wash your hands 902 00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:26,679 on your own time. Boy, Now get to work. 903 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 3: So he's the one who gets like and throws him out, 904 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,559 And that's you know, reckon, I say him. 905 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 2: No, he plays Porky Porky's Oh that's right, Oh my gosh, 906 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,280 it's been a dang minute since I've seen Porky's. Right, 907 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,159 now that you say it. I forgot about that. 908 00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 3: Wow, yes, okay, and I got one more name for you, yeah, 909 00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:53,760 E G Daily, Elizabeth Daily. Okay, she is the girl 910 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,920 who is singing at the dance. 911 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,679 Speaker 2: Oh really, I could have sworn that was ps. Okay, 912 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,119 so no, EG Daily, EG Daily. She's the one who's 913 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:07,440 singing Better Off Dead. She's singing Better Off the theme songs. Yeah, okay, Yeah. 914 00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:11,199 Speaker 3: She does the voice for like Tommy Pickles, and she 915 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000 Rugrats and Powderpuff Girls. 916 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 2: That's right. She's also Dotty in Peele's Big Adventure. Oh okay, okay, right, 917 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,480 yeah Dotty. That's great. 918 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 3: So I think that they missed an opportunity in one 919 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,800 crazy summer. I mean, Demmy Moore is a bigger star, 920 00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,559 uh huh, But you can have a real singer. 921 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,599 Speaker 2: She wasn't at that point, though she is now, but 922 00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:37,559 she at that point, she wasn't like the she had 923 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,320 just the year before, I mean a couple of years 924 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,519 before she had done Blame it on Rio, right, but 925 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:45,599 she was. She was the girl that nobody was looking 926 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:51,039 at Demi Moore, that's right. And then she did. She 927 00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:57,519 did a small affair with John Cryer in eighty five. Okay, 928 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,639 she did sand Almo's Fire in eighty five. Yeah, but 929 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,280 like they're they're doing One Crazy Summer before sant Elmo's 930 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,239 Fire comes out, right, I mean yeah, And by eighty 931 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,920 six she's she's got about last night, she and st 932 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,599 Elmo's Fire and and but what I'm saying is she 933 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,800 wasn't much of anybody before that. That's right right before 934 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,360 she blows up, right before she blows up right, unlike 935 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,360 Creaky's mom, or just like Creaky. I can't really tell you, 936 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,400 ab Okay, So that does it for the cast of 937 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,239 Better Off Dead. Let us come back next time, start 938 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,440 with the cast for One Crazy Summer, see the crossovers 939 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:42,440 and the new folks who are awesome, and talk about 940 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,400 some of the trivia behind that movie, this movie and 941 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,280 maybe a sequel. I loved it. Yeah, okay, we will 942 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,280 see you guys next week. Why okay, Now I gotta 943 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,159 be okay.