WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.679 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis 2 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:33.560 your host, and I have a great guest from across 3 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:37.600 the Pond, Philip Kinsella, and he will be on this show. 4 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:42.200 He's a longtime author. He had a UFO experience right 5 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:44.759 off the bat when he's young, and we're going to 6 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:46.679 talk a little bit about that in his new book, 7 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:54.240 Extraterrestrial Trespassers. And our blog this week is from Charles 8 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.439 Lear as usual a UFO encounter in a pickup truck 9 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:01.159 and talks about nineteen seventy three a lot of things happening, 10 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:04.959 which of course that's when the Pascagoula case was and 11 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:08.120 all that. 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And without further ado, I'm bringing in our guests. Hello, Philip, welcome. 46 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.560 Hi Martin. Thank you very much for having me on 47 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:21.000 your show. 48 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.840 Oh you're very welcome, and I'm very glad to have 49 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.080 you on. And I've heard your name for many years, 50 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:34.759 and so it's great to finally meet you. And so's Yeah, 51 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:37.319 as I mentioned in the beginning, I know that you 52 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.639 had an encounter right at a very young age, I 53 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.479 do believe, or fairly young age, And you'd like to 54 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:45.840 just tell the audience a little bit about yourself and 55 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.080 perhaps about that encounter as well. 56 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.080 Yes, there have been multiple encounters, roughly four. There have 57 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:57.800 been many more that were at close range, but four 58 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:02.520 of them I remember very well. I'm a researcher like 59 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.560 many and an author, and I've been exploring the paranormal 60 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.879 and UFO filed in investigations for a number of years now, 61 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:12.159 I think probably about thirty five years. Does that make 62 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.919 me an expert? No, not by any means of the word. 63 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.480 We're still scratching around in the dark trying to find 64 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:22.439 theoretical models to put together. But the main experience that 65 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:25.319 happened as a kid was when I have an identical 66 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.120 twin brother, Ronald, who has also had his own abduction 67 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.240 at the age of thirteen. My abduction occurred at the 68 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.160 age of twenty. But the onslaught of the arrival of 69 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.120 this strange craft occurred when we had been thirteen and 70 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:43.040 before my brother's abduction in Middlesex, England, when we've been 71 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.600 spending some time with our maternal grandparents. They lived in 72 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:52.519 a big house there, and a sunny evening, maybe late afternoon. 73 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:55.120 One person criticized me and said I should have got 74 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.439 a diying written all down, but of course we were kids. 75 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.680 But we saw in a disc this silver orb. It 76 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.319 was about the size of a football, and it was 77 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:08.199 in the sky and it came over to where we 78 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.680 were positioned in the back garden, because my grandparents had 79 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.839 a very big house. It was three stories high, and 80 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:15.680 there was me and my brother and our maternal grandmother 81 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.600 in the garden and the object positioned itself roughly around 82 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:21.959 where the second floor windows have been of the house 83 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:26.000 above her head, and it was the most strangest thing 84 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:28.759 we've ever seen. People say, UFO, well you imagine the 85 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.120 UFO is bigger than that, but this was like the 86 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.439 size of a football. And now, looking back, I suppose 87 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:36.519 it could be related to what was commonly known as 88 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.439 the Foo fighters back in World War Two. And it 89 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.800 just hung there and we asked our grandmother what it was, 90 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.560 and she said humorously, or look, the fairies have come 91 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.360 to take a closer look at us. And we didn't 92 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:50.480 know whether or not she said that to lay our fears, 93 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.839 and she didn't seem to react to it, which was 94 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:56.160 very strange. And then the object moved up and was 95 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.480 looking through the windows and then went over the top 96 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.279 of the house. We ran to the house, through to 97 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.360 the hall, up the winding staircase and into the opposite 98 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:07.360 side where our grandparents room were I was. I saw 99 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:11.120 it moving very quickly through the sky. And that was 100 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:16.639 the first major event. The abduction with myself, if that's 101 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.879 what we call it, occurred when I was age twenty, 102 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:22.600 and that was in the village of Marston More Tame 103 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:25.279 and it was in the winter. And of course from 104 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.920 then onwards, not at that point, I record everything but 105 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.680 that saw to what they call an abduction, but there 106 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.480 were two paths to it, one of part of it 107 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.600 happened on a physical level of integration. That means to 108 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.439 say that the area and the environment changed when I 109 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.319 was in the house with my brother and my sister 110 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.959 and our dog, and then the early hours of the morning, 111 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.480 I found myself being taken out through the house on 112 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:53.360 my back, and my body such as it was, was 113 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:59.839 able to move through solid objects. And the abduction was this, 114 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:05.800 and of course has made me realize years later that 115 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.720 we may be looking at several components with regards to 116 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:14.839 the UFO phenomena, especially where alien interaction is concerned. And 117 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.160 that changed everything for me because I was led to 118 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:22.519 believe that aliens were benign, lovely, and I get that 119 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.759 from people telling me what they are, who they are, 120 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.879 where they come from. We still don't know. But all 121 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.839 I can tell you is that the experience itself was 122 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:33.319 raw and there was no explanation to it, but had 123 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:37.720 left physical marks afterwards. And what could possibly and I 124 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:40.720 use that word likely, possibly been an implant in my 125 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:45.560 right ear that was removed when I had years and 126 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.920 years later the JAB and we had an experience then, 127 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.839 and that was relayed in terrestrial trespasses. So whether or 128 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:58.759 not the jab itself or the injection had some reaction 129 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:03.560 to it, we don't know. But yes, there were grays involved. 130 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.639 And also embarrassingly, I have to use this word reptilians. 131 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.240 You know, you say to people, I was abducted by reptilians, 132 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.279 and like back in the day, most people would reject 133 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:19.160 that outright. Because when I eventually wrote the piece and 134 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.040 it was published in a magazine but then went on 135 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.600 to write a book years later, the publisher attracted that 136 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:27.959 part because he said, well, reptilians don't figure within the 137 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.680 UFO department, and it's like taking a vital piece of 138 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.480 evidence out of something and saying it doesn't exist. So 139 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:40.759 that was the experience in nineteen eighty nine, and it 140 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:44.799 was in nineteen ninety six that I was credited with 141 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:50.360 a revolutionary speculation surrounding the grays and the possible reality 142 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.559 of what they were, what they represented. The reptilians were 143 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.879 something of a mystery. And this then led on to 144 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:00.159 Rendelsham Forest that I explored for ten years and we 145 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.919 summed UFO there and the last major one with the 146 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:08.559 appearance of three massive huge circular UFOs that arrived over 147 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:11.759 our property here on the ninth of April twenty sixteen 148 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.000 are precisely eleven fifteen pm at night. And that was 149 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.120 incredible and that that would that panned out in a 150 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:21.799 very strange way. But Martin, we still don't know what 151 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:25.480 we're dealing with. Well, well, I like. 152 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:33.320 I like that part because I think that's a very honest, 153 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.320 a very honest part. And you know, I mean, when 154 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.840 you think about the whole you know situation, there's too 155 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.080 many people out there that claim they know, you know, 156 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.039 they know what it is, and you know, that's I 157 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:49.200 think that's a big mistake. 158 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.960 Yes, I agree, and we have to use theoretical content. Now, 159 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.639 going back to the abduction back in nineteen eighty nine, 160 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.919 and what puzzled me more than anything was that I 161 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.679 come into the house after coming back from work from 162 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.080 the train. It was winter, it was dark, and our 163 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.080 house was quite large in the village of Marston Marteine 164 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.639 outside of Bedfordshire. And when I walked into the hall 165 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.600 and I went into the kitchen, we had a large kitchen, 166 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:18.200 a kitchen, diner, and then there was a big conservatory opposite. 167 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.440 I just laid myself against the counter, looking out upon 168 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.399 the hall that i'd just come through. My brother was 169 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.440 in front of me, standing directly in front of me 170 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.279 in the dining area, so he didn't have a view 171 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.039 of the hall of where I was, and my sister 172 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.120 was to my far left, and our dog was in 173 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.480 the front by the breakfast bar. And the atmosphere started 174 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.600 to change. It was almost electric, and I could feel 175 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:42.600 the hairs on my arms going up, and the dogs 176 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.879 started to react. And of course where had come up 177 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:48.840 from our house, there was a driveway. And my brother 178 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:52.720 then did something very strange and odd. He just looked 179 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:54.879 at me and then he raised his head to the 180 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:57.159 ceiling and he said, there's going to be an earthquake, 181 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.000 or Grandma's going to die, or there was no earth coase. 182 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.879 And our maternal grandmother at that point had still been 183 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.840 very much alive. But he froze that way. Yet he 184 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.480 froze that way. And when I was my attention out 185 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:11.639 to the hall, the atmosphere had changed to her like 186 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.639 an electric feel to it, if that's the right word 187 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.960 to use. And when my attention was focused out to 188 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.000 the hall, that was most of it was glass. There 189 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.399 was this light that was coming up that was quite 190 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.720 bright and white, and I thought that my mother at 191 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.120 that point had come back from her work shift early, 192 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:30.200 and the car was coming up the drive. But the 193 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:35.360 light increased in intensity. And as this happened, the dog 194 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.240 was going crazy, and the glass to the front of 195 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:44.360 the door seemed to be manipulated, moving, becoming pliable. I'm 196 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.799 standing there with my brother frozen in front of me. 197 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:49.399 I didn't know what my sister was doing, whether or 198 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.799 not she was frozen or I have no idea. It 199 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:57.039 all happened so quickly, and through this light which was 200 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:03.720 affecting the panels of the door, this small being that 201 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:08.240 was about three foot in height, diminutive in nature. It 202 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:10.879 had a big what I thought was a motorcycle helmet 203 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:13.320 on its head. It was all black. Of course, it 204 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.919 wasn't a motorcycle helmet. It just was referenced that the 205 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.919 cranium was bigger than the body. And it stepped through 206 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.360 the pliable glass that went back to normal, and it 207 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:27.879 shot ahead into the room that my brother and I 208 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:29.919 had shed then, a big room that was bedroom and 209 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.080 a study, and we had a shower next to it, 210 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.000 showering next to it, and my brother snapped out of 211 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.919 his chance, and I shouted, there's an intruder in the house. 212 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:43.240 And then immediately this thing shot from the far left 213 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.440 in the hall corner where our room was, and then 214 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.320 across the hall, up the stairs and disappeared, and I screamed, 215 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:51.240 there's an intruder in the house. And I pulled out 216 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:54.919 a knife from the drawer, and we searched the house 217 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.159 and there was nothing there. And it was then in 218 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:01.639 the early hours of the morning that the abduction occurred. 219 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.360 And shall I explain that? Sure? Yeah? Yeah, wait you 220 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.919 to hear yep. So I found myself laying on my 221 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.960 back in the hall where this thing had originally come through, 222 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.960 floating on my back and my head facing the kitchen 223 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.360 dining room area door that way, and I was started 224 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.320 to being pulled forward by some unknown force. And I'm awake, 225 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:28.919 and I'm thinking, well, I shouldn't be here. Am I 226 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:31.720 having an obe or something like that? But I have 227 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.320 my full faculties, and as I'm going through the door, 228 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.240 I'm wondering what I can get through glass. I mean, 229 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:43.000 it's happening, right, And then it's like being pulled directed 230 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:47.879 on my back towards the conservatory and then out into 231 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:50.200 the garden. I saw the dog asleep in the corner. 232 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:52.759 He didn't react to anything that was going on with me, 233 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.799 and I'm like, well, I'm awake, I'm here, but I 234 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.879 got no control. As I came out into the garden, 235 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.559 I was lifted up because I was on my back, 236 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:05.960 and then lifted up to a point where I'm up 237 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:10.080 and I'm looking into the sky and incredibly ridiculously, there 238 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.799 are lots of lights going past, and I'm thinking, well, 239 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:17.799 they're all here. Is undebatable, it's you know, the UFOs 240 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.039 are real. But there was one object that was stationary, 241 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:26.000 a larger one. It looked like a dirty, silvery gray, 242 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.559 and as soon as I clocked it, I felt myself 243 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.639 being pulled up to it, like being on a roller 244 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.639 coaster when you just take about taking a dip. You 245 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.559 got that feeding in your your solar plexus. And it 246 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.799 was faster and faster than I blanked out the next part. 247 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.799 There's two more parts, quite interesting, and very very quickly. 248 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:48.360 Here I found myself in a small room. It was 249 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.879 like a medical room. It was semi dark. There was 250 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.440 some light coming directly to my front but to the left, 251 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.759 and there were some fixtures that seemed to be molded 252 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.519 into the floor. But I was on a bed, and embarrassingly, 253 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:04.679 I was naked and I couldn't move up. Stunned when 254 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:08.799 I woke up because it was hot, but I realized 255 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.000 two things. When I looked to my right, I was 256 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:19.000 horrified to see these very tall, huge, reptilian type beings. 257 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.039 And at the same token, I felt there was something 258 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:25.879 I had been placed in the lower party anatomy that 259 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:29.600 I could feel within the lower abdonomal area. It was pulsating, 260 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.840 and at that point I just freaked, like, you know, 261 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:39.759 what is happening to me. But these beings, whatever they were, 262 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.120 and I've had people telling me what they are, where 263 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.679 they come from, even their rank and their serial number 264 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:48.639 and their names, forget it, I'm out of here, but 265 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:55.039 they exuberated this intense fear degradation. It's almost as if 266 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:56.879 I was just a piece of meat, and I started 267 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.840 to scream. At that point. When I looked again, they 268 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:05.480 had gone and whatever had been inserted was being retracted mechanically. 269 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.399 I assume I didn't see anything taking it out. And 270 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.399 then there was this small gray that appeared from that 271 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.000 opening in front of me to the left where the 272 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.600 light source was and came forward and the straps released. 273 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:22.279 I was told to dress, so I picked up my garments, 274 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.000 put them on, and I wanted to get out. And 275 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.080 the thing, this small cream colored gray, took me to 276 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.279 that left area, which was a corridor. We came to 277 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.000 a wall I thought was a wall. I had the 278 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.360 image of a head. Sorry, I had the image of 279 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.559 a tree in my head. I didn't know what that 280 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:43.039 was about. And then the opening was there. It was 281 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:44.679 like it was a door that just suddenly opened and 282 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.159 I could see the village from my height. The gray 283 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.519 wanted me to leave, and I got upset and it 284 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.240 was almost like I was pushed. And as I came 285 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.480 down to the ground. There is the last part, which 286 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.679 is more interesting, I think because another research. I found 287 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.720 a connection here. When I came down to the ground 288 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:03.919 with two other grays beside me, I was ordered not 289 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:05.920 to look at them, but in front of me was 290 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:11.079 another gray and it was standing where our pond area was, 291 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.440 and there was another smaller craft under it. And It's like, 292 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:15.839 what on earth is going on with me? What is 293 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:17.720 happening to me? I can't believe I've just been up 294 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:21.559 there and I've seen that, but this gray is more muscular, 295 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.200 its face is more pronounced. It is a gray, but 296 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.640 it's wearing a one piece uniform, and it has this 297 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.119 pointed hat on its head that seemed to be quite 298 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.000 smart with in conjunction with its uniform, and it had 299 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:34.680 his arms folded. It wore knee length boots. I could 300 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.559 still see him now clearly, and he's looking at me 301 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.880 really angry, like really angry. And I'm like floating there again, 302 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.680 three feet off the floor because I'm a little bit 303 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:47.279 more elevated than him. Always three feet, always through glass, 304 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:51.279 always this whole theme, and I'm like, I wanted to 305 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.359 punch him. I wanted to really hit him, but I 306 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.839 couldn't move. And I thought, right, I'm going to ask 307 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.960 you a question, and you're going to answer it. How 308 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.079 the hell I'm able to get through locked and bolted doors? 309 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.240 And I knew that, you know, if I had an answer, 310 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.400 I would tell people this is real. And he looked shocked, 311 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.279 and then he started to slowly lift his head up 312 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.960 to the underneath of his uh this object and a 313 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:19.160 rasp in this unintelligible electronic rasping sound, And at that 314 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.839 point I came crashing back through the glass and threw 315 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:27.200 into my room, came back into my body, I assume 316 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.039 because I came up, I had a nosebleed and had 317 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:33.559 to sort myself out, and very lastly, very quickly. The 318 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.960 next day, my brother examined me because the event really 319 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.319 upset me. I had continuous nose bleeds. They were going 320 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:44.160 to cauterize that two years later, had three triangular marks 321 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.240 behind my right ear that we tried to take pictures 322 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.000 off with a self developing codec camera that wouldn't develop 323 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.880 three marks on my right arm, and I found it 324 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:56.319 difficult to walk, and I also had problems with my 325 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.960 right ear. That was also connected with the doctors who 326 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.119 suggested and asked if I had been abducted by aliens 327 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:09.440 and the truth of God. But a researcher the very 328 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:13.440 last bit now had discovered that. That's why I say 329 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.839 that when you have an experience, however strange it is, 330 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.799 don't you know, people add some check No, never have 331 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.319 done what the gray had been doing at the last 332 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.839 part of the production. When I asked it how the 333 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.319 hell I was able to get through locktonbol Door's material, 334 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:32.079 it looked shocked and raised its head up, well it did. 335 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.480 It was mimicking what my brother had done in the 336 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.000 dining area that night when he said there's going to 337 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.880 be an earthquake or Grandma's going to die. Now you 338 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.839 tell me, Martin, what the hell that is about. And 339 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.799 another research I reckon there's some kind of folk law, 340 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.359 maybe a change of timelines from these entities wherever they 341 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:55.799 come from. So that was that, and at that point 342 00:19:55.839 --> 00:20:00.440 then I was traumatized. But then I w to find 343 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.599 out the truth whether or not you know, these things exist, 344 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.480 where they come from, why they're here, and yeah, So 345 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.079 through a continuous thinking about this, it was nineteen ninety 346 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.799 six where this thought came into my head about the Grays. 347 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:16.319 It was like a download the only time ever, if 348 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.000 that's what they call it, because it's like an opening 349 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.039 within the psyche. And of course they published the article 350 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.759 in the Alien's Encounter called Spirits in a Material World. 351 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.160 So that was the major part of the abduction that 352 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.559 I am embarrassed and I was then to talk about it. 353 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:37.680 Well I understand. I mean, it's if the average person 354 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.079 is listening to this, you know, they would think, oh man, 355 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.160 that is just crazy. Yeah, but when you pay attention 356 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:47.480 to the subject. Do you hear it long enough? You know, 357 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.160 like when I very first started looking into this, I 358 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.559 didn't think there was anything too any of you know, 359 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:55.000 what these people were saying, to be honest with you, 360 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:57.640 And you know, after all these years of hearing it, 361 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.559 there's so many people that claim the same, very similar 362 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:08.839 type of situations that it's hard not to you know, 363 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:12.440 it's hard not to look at it seriously, and it 364 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.839 seems like a traumatic event. And also I've said this 365 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.960 a number of times on my show over the years, 366 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.400 that I feel with like something like this was actually 367 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.000 happening to me, I don't think I could function in 368 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.400 the world. I think I would just want to curl 369 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.799 up in a ball somewhere and hope that it never 370 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.720 happens again, you know, I mean, I can't imagine the 371 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:36.920 emotional part of this. 372 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.200 Yeah. And I think also this had a kind of 373 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:43.519 like a knock on effect because at that point I 374 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:47.079 was very structured, very grounded, and I wanted to find 375 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.240 out what this was because when people spoke about UFOs 376 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.160 and aliens, I always assumed that it was on a 377 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.279 very physical level of integration. And this then led into 378 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.960 the theoretical aspect of interdimensional contact, but where from? You know, 379 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:02.359 what are we looking at? 380 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:03.160 Right? 381 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.279 And this then led into areas of the psyche, the 382 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:12.720 human brain, consciousness, and then exploring those facets. So that 383 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:18.079 fired up shortly after my maternal grandmother had passed over 384 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.319 because I had some experiences and people say, well, did 385 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:26.039 the UFO experiences we call it UFO have some kind 386 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:28.519 of knock on effect with regards to that. What I 387 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:30.400 couldn't tell you. All I can tell is when I 388 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.400 was a kid, I knew things. So this then led 389 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.160 further into me investigating and not happy with the way 390 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:40.319 that the current viewpoint of viewrphology was being taken in 391 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.359 terms of well the nuts and poltse nature. What we 392 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:46.200 have to understand is that this phenomena is able to 393 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:50.039 enter our realm in a kind of physical way, but 394 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:55.240 also disperse in a non physical way. So there seems 395 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:57.279 to be two aspects, and I think that's why we're 396 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:01.039 trying to look at the intertermensional hypothesis but also trying 397 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:04.000 to work out how that has achieved. And this then 398 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:07.200 led years and years later into you know, it's not 399 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:10.599 just about UFOs here or psychic phenomena or the other 400 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.480 side or life after death or consciousness. This also brings 401 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.759