Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis
Speaker 1: your host, and I have a great guest from across
Speaker 1: the Pond, Philip Kinsella, and he will be on this show.
Speaker 1: He's a longtime author. He had a UFO experience right
Speaker 1: off the bat when he's young, and we're going to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that in his new book,
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Speaker 2: Hi Martin. Thank you very much for having me on
Speaker 2: your show.
Speaker 1: Oh you're very welcome, and I'm very glad to have
Speaker 1: you on. And I've heard your name for many years,
Speaker 1: and so it's great to finally meet you. And so's Yeah,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned in the beginning, I know that you
Speaker 1: had an encounter right at a very young age, I
Speaker 1: do believe, or fairly young age, And you'd like to
Speaker 1: just tell the audience a little bit about yourself and
Speaker 1: perhaps about that encounter as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, there have been multiple encounters, roughly four. There have
Speaker 2: been many more that were at close range, but four
Speaker 2: of them I remember very well. I'm a researcher like
Speaker 2: many and an author, and I've been exploring the paranormal
Speaker 2: and UFO filed in investigations for a number of years now,
Speaker 2: I think probably about thirty five years. Does that make
Speaker 2: me an expert? No, not by any means of the word.
Speaker 2: We're still scratching around in the dark trying to find
Speaker 2: theoretical models to put together. But the main experience that
Speaker 2: happened as a kid was when I have an identical
Speaker 2: twin brother, Ronald, who has also had his own abduction
Speaker 2: at the age of thirteen. My abduction occurred at the
Speaker 2: age of twenty. But the onslaught of the arrival of
Speaker 2: this strange craft occurred when we had been thirteen and
Speaker 2: before my brother's abduction in Middlesex, England, when we've been
Speaker 2: spending some time with our maternal grandparents. They lived in
Speaker 2: a big house there, and a sunny evening, maybe late afternoon.
Speaker 2: One person criticized me and said I should have got
Speaker 2: a diying written all down, but of course we were kids.
Speaker 2: But we saw in a disc this silver orb. It
Speaker 2: was about the size of a football, and it was
Speaker 2: in the sky and it came over to where we
Speaker 2: were positioned in the back garden, because my grandparents had
Speaker 2: a very big house. It was three stories high, and
Speaker 2: there was me and my brother and our maternal grandmother
Speaker 2: in the garden and the object positioned itself roughly around
Speaker 2: where the second floor windows have been of the house
Speaker 2: above her head, and it was the most strangest thing
Speaker 2: we've ever seen. People say, UFO, well you imagine the
Speaker 2: UFO is bigger than that, but this was like the
Speaker 2: size of a football. And now, looking back, I suppose
Speaker 2: it could be related to what was commonly known as
Speaker 2: the Foo fighters back in World War Two. And it
Speaker 2: just hung there and we asked our grandmother what it was,
Speaker 2: and she said humorously, or look, the fairies have come
Speaker 2: to take a closer look at us. And we didn't
Speaker 2: know whether or not she said that to lay our fears,
Speaker 2: and she didn't seem to react to it, which was
Speaker 2: very strange. And then the object moved up and was
Speaker 2: looking through the windows and then went over the top
Speaker 2: of the house. We ran to the house, through to
Speaker 2: the hall, up the winding staircase and into the opposite
Speaker 2: side where our grandparents room were I was. I saw
Speaker 2: it moving very quickly through the sky. And that was
Speaker 2: the first major event. The abduction with myself, if that's
Speaker 2: what we call it, occurred when I was age twenty,
Speaker 2: and that was in the village of Marston More Tame
Speaker 2: and it was in the winter. And of course from
Speaker 2: then onwards, not at that point, I record everything but
Speaker 2: that saw to what they call an abduction, but there
Speaker 2: were two paths to it, one of part of it
Speaker 2: happened on a physical level of integration. That means to
Speaker 2: say that the area and the environment changed when I
Speaker 2: was in the house with my brother and my sister
Speaker 2: and our dog, and then the early hours of the morning,
Speaker 2: I found myself being taken out through the house on
Speaker 2: my back, and my body such as it was, was
Speaker 2: able to move through solid objects. And the abduction was this,
Speaker 2: and of course has made me realize years later that
Speaker 2: we may be looking at several components with regards to
Speaker 2: the UFO phenomena, especially where alien interaction is concerned. And
Speaker 2: that changed everything for me because I was led to
Speaker 2: believe that aliens were benign, lovely, and I get that
Speaker 2: from people telling me what they are, who they are,
Speaker 2: where they come from. We still don't know. But all
Speaker 2: I can tell you is that the experience itself was
Speaker 2: raw and there was no explanation to it, but had
Speaker 2: left physical marks afterwards. And what could possibly and I
Speaker 2: use that word likely, possibly been an implant in my
Speaker 2: right ear that was removed when I had years and
Speaker 2: years later the JAB and we had an experience then,
Speaker 2: and that was relayed in terrestrial trespasses. So whether or
Speaker 2: not the jab itself or the injection had some reaction
Speaker 2: to it, we don't know. But yes, there were grays involved.
Speaker 2: And also embarrassingly, I have to use this word reptilians.
Speaker 2: You know, you say to people, I was abducted by reptilians,
Speaker 2: and like back in the day, most people would reject
Speaker 2: that outright. Because when I eventually wrote the piece and
Speaker 2: it was published in a magazine but then went on
Speaker 2: to write a book years later, the publisher attracted that
Speaker 2: part because he said, well, reptilians don't figure within the
Speaker 2: UFO department, and it's like taking a vital piece of
Speaker 2: evidence out of something and saying it doesn't exist. So
Speaker 2: that was the experience in nineteen eighty nine, and it
Speaker 2: was in nineteen ninety six that I was credited with
Speaker 2: a revolutionary speculation surrounding the grays and the possible reality
Speaker 2: of what they were, what they represented. The reptilians were
Speaker 2: something of a mystery. And this then led on to
Speaker 2: Rendelsham Forest that I explored for ten years and we
Speaker 2: summed UFO there and the last major one with the
Speaker 2: appearance of three massive huge circular UFOs that arrived over
Speaker 2: our property here on the ninth of April twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: are precisely eleven fifteen pm at night. And that was
Speaker 2: incredible and that that would that panned out in a
Speaker 2: very strange way. But Martin, we still don't know what
Speaker 2: we're dealing with. Well, well, I like.
Speaker 1: I like that part because I think that's a very honest,
Speaker 1: a very honest part. And you know, I mean, when
Speaker 1: you think about the whole you know situation, there's too
Speaker 1: many people out there that claim they know, you know,
Speaker 1: they know what it is, and you know, that's I
Speaker 1: think that's a big mistake.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, and we have to use theoretical content. Now,
Speaker 2: going back to the abduction back in nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: and what puzzled me more than anything was that I
Speaker 2: come into the house after coming back from work from
Speaker 2: the train. It was winter, it was dark, and our
Speaker 2: house was quite large in the village of Marston Marteine
Speaker 2: outside of Bedfordshire. And when I walked into the hall
Speaker 2: and I went into the kitchen, we had a large kitchen,
Speaker 2: a kitchen, diner, and then there was a big conservatory opposite.
Speaker 2: I just laid myself against the counter, looking out upon
Speaker 2: the hall that i'd just come through. My brother was
Speaker 2: in front of me, standing directly in front of me
Speaker 2: in the dining area, so he didn't have a view
Speaker 2: of the hall of where I was, and my sister
Speaker 2: was to my far left, and our dog was in
Speaker 2: the front by the breakfast bar. And the atmosphere started
Speaker 2: to change. It was almost electric, and I could feel
Speaker 2: the hairs on my arms going up, and the dogs
Speaker 2: started to react. And of course where had come up
Speaker 2: from our house, there was a driveway. And my brother
Speaker 2: then did something very strange and odd. He just looked
Speaker 2: at me and then he raised his head to the
Speaker 2: ceiling and he said, there's going to be an earthquake,
Speaker 2: or Grandma's going to die, or there was no earth coase.
Speaker 2: And our maternal grandmother at that point had still been
Speaker 2: very much alive. But he froze that way. Yet he
Speaker 2: froze that way. And when I was my attention out
Speaker 2: to the hall, the atmosphere had changed to her like
Speaker 2: an electric feel to it, if that's the right word
Speaker 2: to use. And when my attention was focused out to
Speaker 2: the hall, that was most of it was glass. There
Speaker 2: was this light that was coming up that was quite
Speaker 2: bright and white, and I thought that my mother at
Speaker 2: that point had come back from her work shift early,
Speaker 2: and the car was coming up the drive. But the
Speaker 2: light increased in intensity. And as this happened, the dog
Speaker 2: was going crazy, and the glass to the front of
Speaker 2: the door seemed to be manipulated, moving, becoming pliable. I'm
Speaker 2: standing there with my brother frozen in front of me.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what my sister was doing, whether or
Speaker 2: not she was frozen or I have no idea. It
Speaker 2: all happened so quickly, and through this light which was
Speaker 2: affecting the panels of the door, this small being that
Speaker 2: was about three foot in height, diminutive in nature. It
Speaker 2: had a big what I thought was a motorcycle helmet
Speaker 2: on its head. It was all black. Of course, it
Speaker 2: wasn't a motorcycle helmet. It just was referenced that the
Speaker 2: cranium was bigger than the body. And it stepped through
Speaker 2: the pliable glass that went back to normal, and it
Speaker 2: shot ahead into the room that my brother and I
Speaker 2: had shed then, a big room that was bedroom and
Speaker 2: a study, and we had a shower next to it,
Speaker 2: showering next to it, and my brother snapped out of
Speaker 2: his chance, and I shouted, there's an intruder in the house.
Speaker 2: And then immediately this thing shot from the far left
Speaker 2: in the hall corner where our room was, and then
Speaker 2: across the hall, up the stairs and disappeared, and I screamed,
Speaker 2: there's an intruder in the house. And I pulled out
Speaker 2: a knife from the drawer, and we searched the house
Speaker 2: and there was nothing there. And it was then in
Speaker 2: the early hours of the morning that the abduction occurred.
Speaker 2: And shall I explain that? Sure? Yeah? Yeah, wait you
Speaker 2: to hear yep. So I found myself laying on my
Speaker 2: back in the hall where this thing had originally come through,
Speaker 2: floating on my back and my head facing the kitchen
Speaker 2: dining room area door that way, and I was started
Speaker 2: to being pulled forward by some unknown force. And I'm awake,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, well, I shouldn't be here. Am I
Speaker 2: having an obe or something like that? But I have
Speaker 2: my full faculties, and as I'm going through the door,
Speaker 2: I'm wondering what I can get through glass. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's happening, right, And then it's like being pulled directed
Speaker 2: on my back towards the conservatory and then out into
Speaker 2: the garden. I saw the dog asleep in the corner.
Speaker 2: He didn't react to anything that was going on with me,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I'm awake, I'm here, but I
Speaker 2: got no control. As I came out into the garden,
Speaker 2: I was lifted up because I was on my back,
Speaker 2: and then lifted up to a point where I'm up
Speaker 2: and I'm looking into the sky and incredibly ridiculously, there
Speaker 2: are lots of lights going past, and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 2: they're all here. Is undebatable, it's you know, the UFOs
Speaker 2: are real. But there was one object that was stationary,
Speaker 2: a larger one. It looked like a dirty, silvery gray,
Speaker 2: and as soon as I clocked it, I felt myself
Speaker 2: being pulled up to it, like being on a roller
Speaker 2: coaster when you just take about taking a dip. You
Speaker 2: got that feeding in your your solar plexus. And it
Speaker 2: was faster and faster than I blanked out the next part.
Speaker 2: There's two more parts, quite interesting, and very very quickly.
Speaker 2: Here I found myself in a small room. It was
Speaker 2: like a medical room. It was semi dark. There was
Speaker 2: some light coming directly to my front but to the left,
Speaker 2: and there were some fixtures that seemed to be molded
Speaker 2: into the floor. But I was on a bed, and embarrassingly,
Speaker 2: I was naked and I couldn't move up. Stunned when
Speaker 2: I woke up because it was hot, but I realized
Speaker 2: two things. When I looked to my right, I was
Speaker 2: horrified to see these very tall, huge, reptilian type beings.
Speaker 2: And at the same token, I felt there was something
Speaker 2: I had been placed in the lower party anatomy that
Speaker 2: I could feel within the lower abdonomal area. It was pulsating,
Speaker 2: and at that point I just freaked, like, you know,
Speaker 2: what is happening to me. But these beings, whatever they were,
Speaker 2: and I've had people telling me what they are, where
Speaker 2: they come from, even their rank and their serial number
Speaker 2: and their names, forget it, I'm out of here, but
Speaker 2: they exuberated this intense fear degradation. It's almost as if
Speaker 2: I was just a piece of meat, and I started
Speaker 2: to scream. At that point. When I looked again, they
Speaker 2: had gone and whatever had been inserted was being retracted mechanically.
Speaker 2: I assume I didn't see anything taking it out. And
Speaker 2: then there was this small gray that appeared from that
Speaker 2: opening in front of me to the left where the
Speaker 2: light source was and came forward and the straps released.
Speaker 2: I was told to dress, so I picked up my garments,
Speaker 2: put them on, and I wanted to get out. And
Speaker 2: the thing, this small cream colored gray, took me to
Speaker 2: that left area, which was a corridor. We came to
Speaker 2: a wall I thought was a wall. I had the
Speaker 2: image of a head. Sorry, I had the image of
Speaker 2: a tree in my head. I didn't know what that
Speaker 2: was about. And then the opening was there. It was
Speaker 2: like it was a door that just suddenly opened and
Speaker 2: I could see the village from my height. The gray
Speaker 2: wanted me to leave, and I got upset and it
Speaker 2: was almost like I was pushed. And as I came
Speaker 2: down to the ground. There is the last part, which
Speaker 2: is more interesting, I think because another research. I found
Speaker 2: a connection here. When I came down to the ground
Speaker 2: with two other grays beside me, I was ordered not
Speaker 2: to look at them, but in front of me was
Speaker 2: another gray and it was standing where our pond area was,
Speaker 2: and there was another smaller craft under it. And It's like,
Speaker 2: what on earth is going on with me? What is
Speaker 2: happening to me? I can't believe I've just been up
Speaker 2: there and I've seen that, but this gray is more muscular,
Speaker 2: its face is more pronounced. It is a gray, but
Speaker 2: it's wearing a one piece uniform, and it has this
Speaker 2: pointed hat on its head that seemed to be quite
Speaker 2: smart with in conjunction with its uniform, and it had
Speaker 2: his arms folded. It wore knee length boots. I could
Speaker 2: still see him now clearly, and he's looking at me
Speaker 2: really angry, like really angry. And I'm like floating there again,
Speaker 2: three feet off the floor because I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: more elevated than him. Always three feet, always through glass,
Speaker 2: always this whole theme, and I'm like, I wanted to
Speaker 2: punch him. I wanted to really hit him, but I
Speaker 2: couldn't move. And I thought, right, I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: you a question, and you're going to answer it. How
Speaker 2: the hell I'm able to get through locked and bolted doors?
Speaker 2: And I knew that, you know, if I had an answer,
Speaker 2: I would tell people this is real. And he looked shocked,
Speaker 2: and then he started to slowly lift his head up
Speaker 2: to the underneath of his uh this object and a
Speaker 2: rasp in this unintelligible electronic rasping sound, And at that
Speaker 2: point I came crashing back through the glass and threw
Speaker 2: into my room, came back into my body, I assume
Speaker 2: because I came up, I had a nosebleed and had
Speaker 2: to sort myself out, and very lastly, very quickly. The
Speaker 2: next day, my brother examined me because the event really
Speaker 2: upset me. I had continuous nose bleeds. They were going
Speaker 2: to cauterize that two years later, had three triangular marks
Speaker 2: behind my right ear that we tried to take pictures
Speaker 2: off with a self developing codec camera that wouldn't develop
Speaker 2: three marks on my right arm, and I found it
Speaker 2: difficult to walk, and I also had problems with my
Speaker 2: right ear. That was also connected with the doctors who
Speaker 2: suggested and asked if I had been abducted by aliens
Speaker 2: and the truth of God. But a researcher the very
Speaker 2: last bit now had discovered that. That's why I say
Speaker 2: that when you have an experience, however strange it is,
Speaker 2: don't you know, people add some check No, never have
Speaker 2: done what the gray had been doing at the last
Speaker 2: part of the production. When I asked it how the
Speaker 2: hell I was able to get through locktonbol Door's material,
Speaker 2: it looked shocked and raised its head up, well it did.
Speaker 2: It was mimicking what my brother had done in the
Speaker 2: dining area that night when he said there's going to
Speaker 2: be an earthquake or Grandma's going to die. Now you
Speaker 2: tell me, Martin, what the hell that is about. And
Speaker 2: another research I reckon there's some kind of folk law,
Speaker 2: maybe a change of timelines from these entities wherever they
Speaker 2: come from. So that was that, and at that point
Speaker 2: then I was traumatized. But then I w to find
Speaker 2: out the truth whether or not you know, these things exist,
Speaker 2: where they come from, why they're here, and yeah, So
Speaker 2: through a continuous thinking about this, it was nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six where this thought came into my head about the Grays.
Speaker 2: It was like a download the only time ever, if
Speaker 2: that's what they call it, because it's like an opening
Speaker 2: within the psyche. And of course they published the article
Speaker 2: in the Alien's Encounter called Spirits in a Material World.
Speaker 2: So that was the major part of the abduction that
Speaker 2: I am embarrassed and I was then to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Well I understand. I mean, it's if the average person
Speaker 1: is listening to this, you know, they would think, oh man,
Speaker 1: that is just crazy. Yeah, but when you pay attention
Speaker 1: to the subject. Do you hear it long enough? You know,
Speaker 1: like when I very first started looking into this, I
Speaker 1: didn't think there was anything too any of you know,
Speaker 1: what these people were saying, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: And you know, after all these years of hearing it,
Speaker 1: there's so many people that claim the same, very similar
Speaker 1: type of situations that it's hard not to you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard not to look at it seriously, and it
Speaker 1: seems like a traumatic event. And also I've said this
Speaker 1: a number of times on my show over the years,
Speaker 1: that I feel with like something like this was actually
Speaker 1: happening to me, I don't think I could function in
Speaker 1: the world. I think I would just want to curl
Speaker 1: up in a ball somewhere and hope that it never
Speaker 1: happens again, you know, I mean, I can't imagine the
Speaker 1: emotional part of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think also this had a kind of
Speaker 2: like a knock on effect because at that point I
Speaker 2: was very structured, very grounded, and I wanted to find
Speaker 2: out what this was because when people spoke about UFOs
Speaker 2: and aliens, I always assumed that it was on a
Speaker 2: very physical level of integration. And this then led into
Speaker 2: the theoretical aspect of interdimensional contact, but where from? You know,
Speaker 2: what are we looking at?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And this then led into areas of the psyche, the
Speaker 2: human brain, consciousness, and then exploring those facets. So that
Speaker 2: fired up shortly after my maternal grandmother had passed over
Speaker 2: because I had some experiences and people say, well, did
Speaker 2: the UFO experiences we call it UFO have some kind
Speaker 2: of knock on effect with regards to that. What I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you. All I can tell is when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, I knew things. So this then led
Speaker 2: further into me investigating and not happy with the way
Speaker 2: that the current viewpoint of viewrphology was being taken in
Speaker 2: terms of well the nuts and poltse nature. What we
Speaker 2: have to understand is that this phenomena is able to
Speaker 2: enter our realm in a kind of physical way, but
Speaker 2: also disperse in a non physical way. So there seems
Speaker 2: to be two aspects, and I think that's why we're
Speaker 2: trying to look at the intertermensional hypothesis but also trying
Speaker 2: to work out how that has achieved. And this then
Speaker 2: led years and years later into you know, it's not
Speaker 2: just about UFOs here or psychic phenomena or the other
Speaker 2: side or life after death or consciousness. This also brings
Speaker 2: into the fray other errors such as cryptozoology, and there
Speaker 2: does seem or appear to be connections within sasquatch, dogmen
Speaker 2: and other elements of the paranormal. They seem to have
Speaker 2: this this theme about them. And this is very disturbing,
Speaker 2: you know, because when you want to get close to
Speaker 2: the phenomena, you know, it eludes our sense of reality.
Speaker 2: It comes in, it interacts with us, and then leaves
Speaker 2: no hardly any proof. But it does traumatize the individual
Speaker 2: or individuals. So I think this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a relative basically described to me,
Speaker 1: and this is a very sensitive person, So describe to
Speaker 1: me what sounded just like an abduction. But he said,
Speaker 1: but the strangest thing, he said, he could see him
Speaker 1: rising up to the ceiling, going through the ceiling, through
Speaker 1: the roof, and then up above to a craft. He goes,
Speaker 1: Nobody ever says anything like that, do they? And I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no one ever talks. But people do, people do, And
Speaker 1: it defies what we know. You know, everything is about vibration,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe there's some type of way we
Speaker 1: can go through matter, you know. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: very it's a very hard thing to picture and understand and.
Speaker 2: Believe that it will be done. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the same thing is with when you talk about
Speaker 1: interdimensional and you know, there's there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that that would answer.
Speaker 2: Yes and and literally with regards to what we represent
Speaker 2: as the human because I believe now that there are
Speaker 2: two parts to us. One is the biological structure and
Speaker 2: one is the second body, the astral connect And it's
Speaker 2: possible that wherever this force comes from, whatever they're doing
Speaker 2: is they are bringing the real you into their locale
Speaker 2: so that their interaction is then made possible. We found
Speaker 2: this through nd reports near death experiences, where someone has
Speaker 2: a near death episode, they cross over to the other side,
Speaker 2: the realm is more real than the one they left behind.
Speaker 2: Communication is achieved through telepathy, and if the body, the
Speaker 2: corporeal self is left and diseased, in a lot of cases,
Speaker 2: when the person returns from that interdimensional level of reality,
Speaker 2: when they come back into the body, the body is
Speaker 2: in a lot of cases healed. So we can see
Speaker 2: that the composites of the astral and the biological, I
Speaker 2: think are important, and the grays that we look at them.
Speaker 2: They appear to come across as non productive species. They
Speaker 2: cannot reproduce, and therefore the big question is why are
Speaker 2: they interested in reproduction hybridization. I didn't see that, but
Speaker 2: you hear a lot about this, and this gave away
Speaker 2: a few signs about what possibly could be going on
Speaker 2: with regards to a species that may have self replicated
Speaker 2: itself out of creation. Now, now with this subject, you're
Speaker 2: going to go real, you get real deep. And they
Speaker 2: always say, you know, try and stay away from yourpology
Speaker 2: because once you get involved in it, it's like you
Speaker 2: go down that rabbit hole and it's like this here
Speaker 2: is trying so hard to hold onto reality. But I
Speaker 2: think after a while, structurally in terms of our thinking
Speaker 2: as intelligence, because we are an intelligent species, we're a
Speaker 2: clever species, there is this kind of like non acceptance
Speaker 2: in gullibility but also an acceptance in terms of how
Speaker 2: you're seeing things which our system is telling us does
Speaker 2: not exist. And yet you're wondering, well, either I'm lying
Speaker 2: or you're lying. So I wanted to find out which
Speaker 2: of those was a reality. And we can see this
Speaker 2: because within the UFO or UAP Department of Study, the
Speaker 2: system that we serve is so it pains to systematically
Speaker 2: deny the existence of this reality, and the question is why.
Speaker 2: And that is interesting because I think that if the
Speaker 2: system was to tell the public, it's not just about
Speaker 2: spacemen or ships coming from another planet. We're talking about
Speaker 2: something far more complexed, and I think something this system
Speaker 2: is fully aware of or not able to control. So
Speaker 2: that that that's another angle that we are looking at
Speaker 2: in terms of the phenomena as to why it's being suppressed,
Speaker 2: Why this denial, it's bizarre. We have some ideas though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things I've heard, you know, a partlation
Speaker 1: is that the Greater kind of like worker beat m
Speaker 1: you know, because people describe them often as like non
Speaker 1: empathetic or just kind of no like just doing their job,
Speaker 1: you know, type of thing. And I wonder what you
Speaker 1: thought about that.
Speaker 2: They seem to be very Yeah, yeah, Martin, I agree
Speaker 2: that they've come across as very prosaic. They don't seem
Speaker 2: to have any emotion or awareness of self identity. Now,
Speaker 2: what's interesting and also frightening is that the way that
Speaker 2: we're going as a human species is that I think
Speaker 2: our system wants us to end up the same way.
Speaker 2: They don't want us to be individual. They want to
Speaker 2: know what we're thinking. And it's possible that these grays
Speaker 2: are perhaps the end result of a genesis's gone wrong.
Speaker 2: That means to say, if they have replicated themselves through
Speaker 2: the active cloning, that the original copy themselves have removed
Speaker 2: themselves from the process of incarnation reincarnation. I've said, there's
Speaker 2: another part to this where we are unique in the
Speaker 2: terms of what we represent as a species, as the human,
Speaker 2: and we don't know yet enough about the human to
Speaker 2: warrant answering that. But one thing we do know is
Speaker 2: that we are so far removed from the whole of
Speaker 2: nature completely, and even the paranormal it would seem, because
Speaker 2: they all seem to operate on an intermensional level. And
Speaker 2: yet we are so unique. So the grays are interested
Speaker 2: in what we represent, our thoughts, our emotions, are feelings, colour, tastes, smell,
Speaker 2: aging things that they have been denied. So whether or
Speaker 2: not they are a force or a worker force, as
Speaker 2: you quite rightly said, that is doing the bidding for
Speaker 2: something else. Well, we may not have seen this something else,
Speaker 2: you know, with regards to the ultimate agenda. But I
Speaker 2: kept thinking why the hybridization program. What do they want
Speaker 2: in terms of cross breeding, perhaps possibly a human with
Speaker 2: a gray Is it something to do with the spark
Speaker 2: of awareness of spirit that we have that they are denied.
Speaker 2: Are they wanting on some level to bring us into
Speaker 2: their domain so that this interaction between flesh, bone, material
Speaker 2: and spirit can be connected on some level. We're not sure,
Speaker 2: and that's like way out there, but I believe that
Speaker 2: they are interested in us and what makes us so unique,
Speaker 2: because they seem to be devoid of that and they
Speaker 2: perhaps want that back something they have lost themselves. And interestingly,
Speaker 2: the last point here, going back into Antidavilian cultures in
Speaker 2: terms of the Acadianist Samarian and especially of course the
Speaker 2: wonderful and late z Isahran's work within the Acadian of
Speaker 2: Samarian Texas, that our gods originally created us apparently allegedly
Speaker 2: first of all, not to be able to reproduce, and
Speaker 2: that was linked with en Li Lilenki. And what's interesting
Speaker 2: is that they allowed the human to reproduce. But what's
Speaker 2: to say that these so called gods did not themselves
Speaker 2: create another species that could not reproduce, and that species
Speaker 2: has somehow in terms of perhaps in a remote viewing way,
Speaker 2: remote influence way, or astral projection way, have found a
Speaker 2: planet that can reproduce. So a bit like Prometheus is
Speaker 2: like them coming to find us, and we're trying to
Speaker 2: find them. And so there's a number of theoretical aspects
Speaker 2: we can take towards this. It doesn't mean to say
Speaker 2: that we have the answers, but one of the things
Speaker 2: that we do know is that the phenomena continually eludes us.
Speaker 2: It's smart, The intelligence behind it is smart. It hides
Speaker 2: within the corners. One minute they come forward and we
Speaker 2: hear stories of them being wonderful friends, people having wonderful
Speaker 2: journeys with them. I've never experienced that myself, and others
Speaker 2: that have very disturbing encounters with them. And even to
Speaker 2: the point which we know when someone has had an
Speaker 2: abduction where the person being abducted is seeing their dead
Speaker 2: relatives on board that craft, alleged craft or perhaps that
Speaker 2: stationary point that's being held to bring you into their domain,
Speaker 2: so to speak. That's very interesting. It all are there for.
Speaker 1: So I have to tell you, I have to tell
Speaker 1: you and come clean a little bit about something that
Speaker 1: happened here. But it's kind of funny and that is
Speaker 1: when I went to record this show. By accident, I
Speaker 1: hit live and we were live this whole time. So
Speaker 1: and we have a you know, a good, good size
Speaker 1: audience watching considering it's another scheduled time. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to thank everyone that's in the in the chat and
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on this unscheduled event because this
Speaker 1: was going to be a pre recorded show and then
Speaker 1: released at the normal time at seven o'clock. So I
Speaker 1: apologize for that. But also I do thank thank you
Speaker 1: Stella for your donation here. And also there was a
Speaker 1: question someone asked if you were related to Michael. Is
Speaker 1: that your twin brother Michael?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, is there a Michael You're related to?
Speaker 2: Only a great nephew. That's all I'm connected.
Speaker 1: I see, okay, all right, So there may be some
Speaker 1: questions that come up, you know, in the chat. And again,
Speaker 1: thank you all for being here, people watching on Facebook
Speaker 1: and YouTube and whatever other site. I see another unusual
Speaker 1: site that we have connected here. And but anyway, it's
Speaker 1: not the schedule time, but I appreciate everyone being here.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, it's working out, so there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people watching, so maybe this is a good time
Speaker 1: for me to do my show.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, I have to thank you, Martin,
Speaker 2: because I am in the United Kingdom and you know
Speaker 2: it's slowly creeping up to quarter to ten here, so
Speaker 2: I am grateful. But you know, with regards to the
Speaker 2: phenomena itself, again, for me, we still don't know what
Speaker 2: we're dealing with. We only have theoretical content those models
Speaker 2: that we've been working on. And as I said before,
Speaker 2: it's interesting because it's not just about euphology or aliens
Speaker 2: as we call them. Because my argument has been, well
Speaker 2: where are they? If you can tell me, Martin, which
Speaker 2: pub they're hanging out, Let's go down there and have
Speaker 2: a talk with them, because we need a real deep
Speaker 2: conversation with them. But they elude us. But I think
Speaker 2: what's happening here is that the Telltale signs are linked
Speaker 2: apparently and allegedly with the Pentagon because of what's been
Speaker 2: going on at the moment, and with regards to David Grush, now,
Speaker 2: a lot of that is quite interesting and I do
Speaker 2: and you know, I have to say, I do believe
Speaker 2: the guy and what he's been going through. But every
Speaker 2: single time someone of authority of rank comes forward, there's
Speaker 2: a big hammer that comes down to silence them. And
Speaker 2: that to me is very interesting because that's not just
Speaker 2: you know, if we want disclosures saying well UFOs exist, Yeah, fine, yay,
Speaker 2: they're there and aliens. But the more complex question that
Speaker 2: we will start to ask is, hang on just a minute.
Speaker 2: You told us that is the system that they didn't exist,
Speaker 2: and now you're admitting that they're here. So what's the
Speaker 2: next stage to this? Where are they coming from? Wh hear?
Speaker 2: And why do we have these cases of abduction? And
Speaker 2: it's got to be said here as well too. People
Speaker 2: don't like it, but it's the truth. You know, cattle
Speaker 2: mutilation and in some cases the other mutilation. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. Yeah, because there are disturbing elements
Speaker 2: also that connects with this, and looking at areas of
Speaker 2: skin walk garage and of course the ancient curse that
Speaker 2: was allegedly placed upon the area tells us that human consciousness,
Speaker 2: this is another ara I've been looking into, is more
Speaker 2: powerful than we are led to believe. Opening of dimensions
Speaker 2: of awareness, that type of thing, and this will tell
Speaker 2: us a lot more about why it is systematically that
Speaker 2: we live by a system, which is absolutely intent in
Speaker 2: bringing us down, in subjugating human consciousness, in narrowing our
Speaker 2: field frequency of awareness, not letting us know about our
Speaker 2: true genus, our true place within the universe, not just
Speaker 2: that hiding, secreting all of the evidence which suggests otherwise.
Speaker 2: So I think and feel that it's possible that the
Speaker 2: system that we serve knows a lot more than we do.
Speaker 2: And when I say the system, I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: our governments or the Senate. I'm talking about those hidden
Speaker 2: members within the elite. It's possible that they are aware
Speaker 2: of how to summon these things, or more about them
Speaker 2: at least anyway. And this is why the human has
Speaker 2: been told, no, don't use your mind, fear it, because
Speaker 2: the churches used to indoctrinate that fear in you, and
Speaker 2: you were a witch if you thought outside the box,
Speaker 2: and you were drowned and burned and made an example
Speaker 2: of We can see this occurring today, and that's quite
Speaker 2: interesting because it doesn't mean to say all that we're
Speaker 2: creating this within our minds. What I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: our minds are gateways doorways. A consciousness is a filter,
Speaker 2: rather like the Internet, like the signals through a mobile
Speaker 2: phone network system that we all have access to a
Speaker 2: pool of consciousness. And yet we've been blinded by the system.
Speaker 2: Not just within yourphology, cryptozoology or eralements of the power ormal,
Speaker 2: we have been blinded and let down this very narrow
Speaker 2: and eventual cul de suck in the way that we're
Speaker 2: trying to understand reality and what's going on. Still know,
Speaker 2: the system says, just get on with your work, do
Speaker 2: a job you hate doing, pay your textes, keep quiet,
Speaker 2: do as told, and then die. So you know it's crazy,
Speaker 2: right Martin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you just sort of touched a little bit
Speaker 1: on something that you know, you hear often that people
Speaker 1: not people, you know, some people I guess you know
Speaker 1: Loue al Zana talks about it. Perhaps even in the
Speaker 1: government may believe that these things there's a demonology asked
Speaker 1: back to it. And you know, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on on that part? I mean, I I think, like
Speaker 1: you said, we don't really know what these things are.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really the bottom line. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that is that in one of the.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely yes, we have to be open to all
Speaker 2: forms of consideration. The danger is to put yourself in
Speaker 2: a bracket and say this is what it is, and
Speaker 2: it's okay to believe in that, but be very careful,
Speaker 2: because I've always said before, be very extremely careful, because
Speaker 2: we have to be open to all forms of consideration,
Speaker 2: all forms of speculation. If someone says, no, Philip, you're wrong, Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: then I'm wrong. But the way I see it is
Speaker 2: that I am open to all of those areas of
Speaker 2: research material. Now that's interesting about the demonic. Now let's
Speaker 2: take the dogmin for an instant for instance. Let's take
Speaker 2: that as an example. Some people believe that and giveness
Speaker 2: within cryptozology because when you get involved in neupology, there's
Speaker 2: so many ologies, but it will find you being let
Speaker 2: down these other areas. Now with the dogmen, there was
Speaker 2: a case here in England by my good friend and
Speaker 2: best any author and wonderful cryptosologist and neupologist, Paul Sinclair,
Speaker 2: where some people saw a dogman here in England which
Speaker 2: would be considered a werewolf, and as it stood up
Speaker 2: and it's terrifying way, it was wearing an ear ring.
Speaker 2: It's wearing an ear ring. So the question is, okay,
Speaker 2: so we have dogmen, we have sasquatch that have glowing
Speaker 2: eyes that can mind speak with the individuals that encounter them.
Speaker 2: We have the grays that can communicate through telepathy as
Speaker 2: well too, through mind to mind. And there is also
Speaker 2: this connection with missing time and also of displacement of time,
Speaker 2: where people disappear in them reappear again or sadly in
Speaker 2: most cases their bodies and under mysterious circumstances. So when
Speaker 2: you talk about the demonic aspect of it, what we
Speaker 2: think of demonic is perhaps the way that we see
Speaker 2: the ancient way of it, like a devil with a
Speaker 2: pitchfork and the horns. I think perhaps in this modern terminology,
Speaker 2: the force itself is raw and could possibly be definitely
Speaker 2: into dimensional and trying to find a way bridging a
Speaker 2: gap back into the material world. Because these forces can't
Speaker 2: remain in our environment for very long periods of time.
Speaker 2: This has proven, so when they come in it has
Speaker 2: to be quick and they go out, but they're able
Speaker 2: to physically integrate with this environment before they go out,
Speaker 2: And I think that you're correct in terms of then
Speaker 2: matching the density or energy vibrations from their realm they
Speaker 2: lower it into ours. So there's a connection to be had.
Speaker 2: So yes, we have to consider that. And I did
Speaker 2: think about that postulate one of those theories with regards
Speaker 2: to the reproduction process, perhaps through the hybridization program of
Speaker 2: this force trying to ingest and create itself and then
Speaker 2: bypass into our realm. I met doctor David Jacobs many
Speaker 2: years ago. We had a long chat, and he is
Speaker 2: of the opinion that they are here now walking among us.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, Brandon Frugal, I've never met the man,
Speaker 2: the good Man himself, but he says the same. And
Speaker 2: you find that things get really, really weird and strange.
Speaker 2: And lastly, to finish this off here, one of the
Speaker 2: disturbing elements with regards to the UFO Department, not just
Speaker 2: the so called appearance of creatures that come from the
Speaker 2: depths of our conscious minds within mythology, the werewolf, the dogman,
Speaker 2: the sasquatch. But there's a toy like quality, an element,
Speaker 2: especially within the UFO Department of Investigations, almost like this
Speaker 2: kind of like childlikeness to it, which is very disturbing.
Speaker 2: And that's eras we're still looking into. So whether or
Speaker 2: not we are dealing with a force that is as
Speaker 2: old as the universe, that has molded itself into our mythology.
Speaker 2: Of course, Dr Jack Valley has said very much the
Speaker 2: same thing. We don't know, but what we do know
Speaker 2: is that when you get involved within youropological research, cryptosology,
Speaker 2: or elevates the paranormal, you will find that you're led
Speaker 2: and drawn into these other areas, as though another deeper
Speaker 2: part of you is trying to say to you, hey, look,
Speaker 2: you know, look at this area, look there, see what's
Speaker 2: happening there. Whereas there's been a divide, a deliberate divide
Speaker 2: with each category, which then makes it more difficult for
Speaker 2: us to put those dots together to find out what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Right now, we have a couple of questions that came
Speaker 1: in here, and I thought, I put this one up
Speaker 1: in particular right now, and why is it working here?
Speaker 2: We are?
Speaker 1: What do you think about the recent paper in hypothesis
Speaker 1: written by academics of plasma being non human, non biological
Speaker 1: life form living in our thermostrophic atmosphere or food fighters,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I before you answer that, I'd like
Speaker 1: to reference what I've heard alu el Zuondo and I
Speaker 1: had him on a little while ago, a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I do believe I asked him this question and
Speaker 1: because he basically says something along the lines what if
Speaker 1: something has been here? What if we're not the top
Speaker 1: of the food chain, but it's been with us all along?
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: along the same, you know. And we have another question
Speaker 1: after that, so we just also have to watch our
Speaker 1: time here we get about another yeah, okay, twelve minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So it's like the Thing the film The Thing,
Speaker 2: John Copps is the Thing. I mean that the thing
Speaker 2: itself molded itself into our reality by copying biological matter.
Speaker 2: And I think that this force is able to come
Speaker 2: in and obviously replicate itself in this way. That's an
Speaker 2: air been working into the plasma. Subject is very interesting.
Speaker 2: I think that wasn't it Robert was it Temple who
Speaker 2: wrote a book about this, about this plasma being out
Speaker 2: in space and it's huge, and it's covering parts of
Speaker 2: the Moon and the Earth, and there are two clouds
Speaker 2: of it that is able to they think, replicate life.
Speaker 2: So that is a distinct possibility that there is energy
Speaker 2: that's intelligence that has some kind of what we consider
Speaker 2: organic but biomaterial intelligence, and that is very interesting as well.
Speaker 2: That is an area that must be looked into because
Speaker 2: that I've read about that very complicated. Also dealing with
Speaker 2: areas of the sun creating plasma, So looking at the planets,
Speaker 2: because we think everything's out there, but it could be
Speaker 2: within the structuring of the universe, beyond that subatomic level
Speaker 2: of reality and into the deeper, finer aspects of what
Speaker 2: we consider is space. So yes, absolutely, I'm all for
Speaker 2: that as well. Absolutely, brain starting to hurt a little,
Speaker 2: will be pleasant with out. It will be pleasant with out.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a fascinating Here's another question here, let's see,
Speaker 1: and this is from Terrence for both of us, I
Speaker 1: guess it is what are we all doing here? We
Speaker 1: really want to know that. What are they doing here?
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Why do you think we
Speaker 1: are racing towards technology away from spirituality? I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned this a number of times that
Speaker 1: on this show I had an astrophysicist named Jeffrey Bennett,
Speaker 1: and you know he said that his fellows a NASA
Speaker 1: when he worked there, you know, they water cooler talk
Speaker 1: would say, you know, we have to get through the
Speaker 1: bottleneck of technology without blowing ourselves up, and any other
Speaker 1: species that has done this shame exact thing will be
Speaker 1: traveling with start, you know, will be searching and traveling.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that there is this agenda if
Speaker 2: I may just point this out, and it's no conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Whatever is controlling behind the scenes here on Earth at
Speaker 2: the moment cannot be human if we think about it.
Speaker 2: It seems to me that the powers that we are
Speaker 2: trying to thwart spirituality, they're trying to disrupt our minds
Speaker 2: into a chaos, as though we're not allowed to think.
Speaker 2: Every time something good comes along, they will bring something
Speaker 2: even worse around the corner. And the big question of
Speaker 2: us as the human has always eluded me, and I've
Speaker 2: been looking for that like everyone else. Why are we're here?
Speaker 2: What's our purpose? You know? Where do we derive from?
Speaker 2: And a system that we serve that is just giving
Speaker 2: us the Sunday School version, and that's quite happy when
Speaker 2: it comes to faith because faith has no real scientific conviction.
Speaker 2: They're happy to go along with that. But when it
Speaker 2: comes to asking the right questions, and any politician cannot
Speaker 2: be trusted, I can assure you are nearly all of them.
Speaker 2: So it's like going around in a circle. So all
Speaker 2: you want is to be told the truth, but all
Speaker 2: you get back is untruths or half truths. And this
Speaker 2: is the frustrating part about it. But I agree, and
Speaker 2: I do feel that there is a force here, an
Speaker 2: ancient force that does not have the humans interest at heart.
Speaker 2: Maybe where that food's food surplus. I don't know that energetically,
Speaker 2: who knows, but it seems to me like we're trapped
Speaker 2: and very quickly here. Someone said to me once, oh,
Speaker 2: in spiritualism, which I believe in the afterlife and so
Speaker 2: on and so forth, but they said, oh, we write
Speaker 2: our charts what we come down. Really, they come into Auschwitz,
Speaker 2: third world countries, war torn countries. You're telling me that
Speaker 2: the soul will come through that experience. Something's gone wrong
Speaker 2: and this is what we're trying to look at, and
Speaker 2: it's very interesting. So I agree totally. I think that
Speaker 2: this war on spirituality and it is a silent war
Speaker 2: because the system knows how to play us all psychologically.
Speaker 2: They know about that up there. Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 1: This is just a statement. It's an invite to Joshua
Speaker 1: Tree as you and your lovely brother Ronald from a
Speaker 1: fellow bred that's from Nadia. Here's another question here in
Speaker 1: just a second, and this question is from Tony.
Speaker 2: Thank you Tony.
Speaker 1: Do you think about the phenomenon introducing itself to you
Speaker 1: once you took an interests as Chris Bledsoell does talk.
Speaker 2: About absolutely, a very good point absolutely on well, when
Speaker 2: the phenomena becomes aware of view or you it, it
Speaker 2: seems to have a connection and it's like a drug.
Speaker 2: It's like it pulls you in. So Paul Sinclair, again
Speaker 2: from Benton up north here in England, says that when
Speaker 2: you become aware of it, it becomes aware of you.
Speaker 2: There's a connection. We're trying to find the distinction of
Speaker 2: what makes those people not with we're all special or
Speaker 2: all unique, but those people targets, if I use that
Speaker 2: word lightly to this phenomena, What is it about them?
Speaker 2: Are they operating differently in the system that we serve?
Speaker 2: Sends out it's those on those other levels of inter
Speaker 2: dimensional connection to check you out. Who knows? We don't know,
Speaker 2: So I think there is this is This is in
Speaker 2: the Terrestrial Trespasses and in a new book I'm working
Speaker 2: on with regards to the spiritual aspects that has to
Speaker 2: be brought into the fray, which is quite interesting. So
Speaker 2: there's a war, and it just tells us something is
Speaker 2: trying to keep us flat and low, justesn't want us
Speaker 2: to know. Hmm.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I've heard a number of people that you know,
Speaker 1: claim they have well they call themselves experiences or you
Speaker 1: know that, claim they have had abductions during their life,
Speaker 1: that it as they get older in life, it stops
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, older adulthood, say, you know,
Speaker 1: after their thirties or something like that. And I just
Speaker 1: wondered if you had heard that type of thing. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you have looked into other people claiming similar things
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Yes, so well, the last encounter that we had with
Speaker 2: UFOs was on the ninth of April twenty sixteen, at
Speaker 2: eleven to fifteen pm at night. There was no more
Speaker 2: offen that. I think they probably considered myself and my
Speaker 2: twin brother a couple of old washed out oh has
Speaker 2: been So I do have a sense of humor. You
Speaker 2: have to have a sense of humor here, yeah, Martin,
Speaker 2: because you know I have one. Yeah, it's like that,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So yeah, I agree. I think that
Speaker 2: perhaps there's something about our energy that diminishes that probably
Speaker 2: they can't see your light as clearly as before. Maybe
Speaker 2: they've had done with you. But there obviously is some
Speaker 2: kind of genealogical and intergenerational connection. And another author, I
Speaker 2: no brilliant man, Steve has been, has said the same
Speaker 2: thing with regards to the abduction program.
Speaker 1: So we only get about five minutes here or four
Speaker 1: minutes actually, So your twin brother, were you always openly
Speaker 1: speaking with Ronald about that?
Speaker 2: In Ronald speaking to you about this, absolutely, and what's
Speaker 2: very wonderful is it? Well not so wonderful, But the
Speaker 2: last experience had been documented with the UFOs on that
Speaker 2: ninth of Raye Paul encounter at least to filmed them
Speaker 2: as well to the have been analyzed. Thank goodness for that,
Speaker 2: because you want to bring it to the table and
Speaker 2: show people and say check it out, it's all yours.
Speaker 2: Just do what you need to do. I want the truth.
Speaker 2: So yeah, my brother has always been open and very
Speaker 2: connected in terms of us trusting one another, very openly,
Speaker 2: very honestly, and that's the way that we deal with it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: within yourphology, it's not I'm so I've got to said,
Speaker 2: it's not a red carpeted situation here with let's collect
Speaker 2: our guns and having best performance. It's about the research,
Speaker 2: it's about the truth. It's not about the identity or
Speaker 2: the individual. It's fine if you're doing something and you're
Speaker 2: helping and you're moving towards that movement, but so many
Speaker 2: times other people are trying to knock you off your
Speaker 2: pedestal or bring you down. Fine, fine, But what we're
Speaker 2: after here is the truth. That's what we want, the
Speaker 2: ultimate truth, and that's passion that drives within the very
Speaker 2: essence and being of what you are. Because we have
Speaker 2: been lied to, all of us have been led to,
Speaker 2: and we want to know why that is. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot of shady areas that we need to investigate.
Speaker 2: They were still investigating, by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with that, you know, that's all
Speaker 1: I just want to know. That's why I did the show.
Speaker 1: And the last question we only have a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes here, is do you believe it's a possibility that
Speaker 1: because you're an identical twin that you two have been studied?
Speaker 2: No, I think that we are all of interest to
Speaker 2: them twins or not. If we take the war and
Speaker 2: of course we were going to detail, but medical connections
Speaker 2: within Alschwitz twins were selected as well as well as
Speaker 2: other people. So no, I think we were just perhaps
Speaker 2: of interest to them to some slight degree. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make a special As I said, we're all special,
Speaker 2: we're all important. You believe that, man, That's what they
Speaker 2: said in American You believe that, man. I love you guys.
Speaker 1: Did you were there? There was never a situation where
Speaker 1: you were both abducted at the same time.
Speaker 2: Though, right, No, no, yeah, not as far, not as
Speaker 2: far as we are aware, Kathleen Mardin. Kathy Mardin does
Speaker 2: consider that that is a possibility with us, but we
Speaker 2: have no clear many and memory. And I can only
Speaker 2: report what I know. I can't add or embellish upon information,
Speaker 2: and I won't. I see.
Speaker 1: That's good because you don't need to embellish. I say
Speaker 1: this all the time, you know, I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many real things going on people don't need to embellish.
Speaker 1: And even if it was a percentage of you know,
Speaker 1: a story that happened, you know, I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many crazy things going on. No one needs to make
Speaker 1: the money.
Speaker 2: Oh no, just just report it as it happens changed nothing,
Speaker 2: and then you'll find that eventually you can try and
Speaker 2: put the bits, a few bits together, not all of them.
Speaker 2: We're still trying to that even to this day. Is
Speaker 2: a nightmare. But it's exciting and it shows as it
Speaker 2: gives us hope because we are more, much more than
Speaker 2: just flesh and blood with a cell by date. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, it gives us hope.
Speaker 1: That's right, right. It's been a real pleasure, Philip. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed having on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Good luck with your book, the books.
Speaker 1: Up here on the screen here, trust your trespassors, the grays,
Speaker 1: abductions and areas of high strangeness.
Speaker 2: You've been wonderful. Thank you so much. You have been
Speaker 2: the star. Thank you so much. And to your viewers
Speaker 2: as well, to God bless them all.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, take care, bye bye bye. Now,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll see you next week. It could be
Speaker 1: with it could be with Jim Harold, but also it
Speaker 1: could be with another group of people. I'm just not
Speaker 1: positive at this time. And thank you all for paying
Speaker 1: attention watching the show, and remember keep your eyes to
Speaker 1: this guy.