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Speaker 1: All right, strap yourselves in, because today we're going deep,

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like really deep into a world that's a bit of history,

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a bit of spy thriller, and uh maybe even a

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touch of sci fi.

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Speaker 2: Oh I like where this is going.

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Speaker 1: We're talking government secrets, the kind that make you wonder

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if the truth really is stranger than fiction.

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Speaker 2: And trust me, some of these are so wild you'll

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swear they came straight out of a Hollywood writer's room.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so where do we even begin.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's fascinating to me is how many of these

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secrets were hidden in plain sight.

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Speaker 1: Hidden in plain sight, you mean, like right under our

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noses exactly.

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Speaker 2: We're talking everyday objects, technologies you might even use that

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had these incredible double lives.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm intrigued. Give me an example.

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Speaker 2: Picture this. You're walking down the street, iPod, your buds in,

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jamming to your favorite.

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Speaker 1: Tunes, just another day in the city.

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Speaker 2: Right, But what if I told you that you're not

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just enjoying the music, You're also on a secret mission

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measuring radiation level.

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Speaker 1: Wait, what a radiation detecting iPod?

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Speaker 2: That's right. A seemingly ordinary iPod designed by Apple no less,

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was once a covert tool for the US Department of Energy.

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Speaker 1: So this wasn't just your typical music player.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. Hidden inside was a sophisticated Geiger counter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is wild talk about a hidden track, right,

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But seriously, why go through all that trouble.

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Speaker 2: Well, imagine you're trying to detect smuggled uranium or maybe

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even evidence of a dirty bomb program.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess a scientist walking around with a big,

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clunky Geiger Counter would stand out a bit.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, But someone blending in with the crowd, just enjoying

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their music. Perfect cover.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant in its simplicity. It makes you wonder what

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other everyday gadgets might have secret lives hidden in plain sight.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, who knows what your smartphone is really

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capable of?

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Speaker 1: Now you've got me paranoid. But okay, let's switch gears

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for a second and talk about something a little more legendary.

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Speaker 2: You can't possibly mean, Oh but I do Bigfoot? No way,

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you're kidding.

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Speaker 1: Turns out even the FBI has a file on this

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elusive creature.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying I believe in Bigfoot, but the

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FBI doesn't usually deal in mythical beings.

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Speaker 2: And their policy is pretty clear they only release files

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on individuals after they're deceased. So the mere existence of

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a Bigfoot file is well interesting to say the least.

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Speaker 1: It's like they're acknowledging without actually confirming that maybe, just

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maybe there's something more to the legend, or maybe someone

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in the FBI has a wicked sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. Either way, it definitely sparks the imagination,

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doesn't it, And it reminds us that even in this

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age of information, there are still mysteries out there that

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defy easy explanation.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of mysteries, let's talk about one that's been captivating

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people for decades.

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Speaker 2: UFOs Ah, Yes, UFOs, the Great Unknown.

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Speaker 1: And we're not just talking about grainy photos or anecdotal

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accounts here. We're talking about official government programs, leaked videos,

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and even admissions from the Pentagon that they're things in

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our skies that they can't explain, things.

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Speaker 2: They can't explain. That's both exciting and a bit unnerving exactly.

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Speaker 1: And it all started with a program you might have

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heard of, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program or a

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TIP for short.

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Speaker 2: A tip, yes, a program specifically dedicated to investigating UFO reports.

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It was super secret for years.

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Speaker 1: The super secret. Huh so what happened?

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Speaker 2: Well, in twenty twenty two, they actually went public with it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, they actually admitted it existed.

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Speaker 2: Yep. They even created a new office, the All Domain

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Anomaly Resolution Office or RO, to continue the investigation publicly.

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Speaker 1: So they're basically saying, Okay, we don't know what these

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things are, but we're going to try to find out.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much, It's like they finally decided to acknowledge what

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many people have suspected all along, that there are things

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out there in the vastness of space that we simply

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: And it gets even wilder. Some people claim the government

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possesses actual off world vehicles.

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Speaker 1: Off real vehicles yea, as in like a spaceships.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's just say there are those who believe that

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recovered materials from certain events point to technology not of.

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Speaker 1: This earth, not of this earth. Okay, now we're getting

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into some serious sci fi territory.

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Speaker 2: I know, right.

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder, doesn't it. What if those stories

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of alien encounters of advanced technology beyond our comprehension are

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more than just science fiction. What if there's actually some

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truth to them?

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Speaker 2: Those are questions that have captivated humanity for centuries, and

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as we delve deeper into these government secrets, we may

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find more clues that challenge our assumptions about what's possible,

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what's out there, and what role our own governments might

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be playing in this whole cosmic mystery.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, on that slightly unsettling note, I think we

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need to bring things back down to earth literally with

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the story that combines Cold War intrigue, the Himalayas and

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a missing piece of radioactive material.

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Speaker 2: The Malayas radioactive material.

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Speaker 1: This should be good, Oh it is. It's the story

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of the lost plutonium in the Himalayas. Back in the

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nineteen sixties, the US and India IT teamed up on

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this mission to monitor China's nuclear development.

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Speaker 2: They were worried about China's growing nuclear capability, so they

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came up with this plan to install sensors powered by

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plutonium two thirty eight high up in the Himalays.

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Speaker 1: Plutonium two thirty eight that's pretty serious stuff.

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Speaker 2: It is highly radioactive and very dangerous.

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Speaker 1: So they're talking about hauling radioactive material up a mountain.

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Speaker 2: It definitely had its risks, and as it turned out,

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those risks materialized. Dangerous conditions forced the team to abandon

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the mission before they could install the sensors properly. Oh no,

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So what happened to the plutonium When they went back

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the sensors and the plutonium were.

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Speaker 1: Gone, vanished, vanished, just gone. What did it sprout legs

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and walk off?

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Speaker 2: That remains a mystery. Some speculate it was buried by

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an avalanche. Others believe the Chinese might have recovered it,

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so it could be sitting in a Chinese lab somewhere possibly.

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plutonium is still active and it's can contributing to glacial

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melting in the region.

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Speaker 1: Wow, now that's a chilling thought. A Cold War relic

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lost in the Icy Heights potentially contributing to environmental changes

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really makes you think it does.

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Speaker 2: It's a reminder of the long lasting impact of our

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actions and how even seemingly isolated events can have ripple

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effects across the globe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, from the Icy Heights of the Himalayas. Let's dive

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into another chilling tale.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm ready for another dose of intrigue.

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Speaker 1: This one involves a retired Navy commander, a torpedo, and

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a very strange encounter in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: A Navy commander and a strange encounter in the ocean. Okay,

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you've got my attention.

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Speaker 1: It's the story of Commander David FRAVERR. And the Dark Mass.

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He was on a routine mission retrieving a torpedo from

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the ocean when he and a helicopter pilot witnessed something

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truly bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Bizarre. How was it a submarine, a whale, some kind

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of sea monster.

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Speaker 1: It was something far more difficult to explain. They described

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it as a large, dark, circular mass hovering just below

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the surface of the water, much larger than any known submarine,

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and it was moving in ways that defied explanation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm getting goosebumps. What happened next? Did they

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try to contact it?

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Speaker 1: Fravor, being a pilot, naturally, wanted to get a closer look.

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As he approached the object, it started ascending rapidly towards

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his jet. He described it as climbing like a billet

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and he had to pull up sharply to avoid a collision.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, that's terrifying. So what happened to the object? Did

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it disappear just as suddenly as it appeared?

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Speaker 1: It vanished, gone without.

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Speaker 2: A trace, vanished just like that.

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Speaker 1: And the helicopter pilot who witnessed the entire event described

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it as disappearing into a white tic tac shaped object

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that took off at an incredible speed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now that is strange. So what was this thing?

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Speaker 1: The incident remains unexplained to this day. There were no

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submarines in the area and no known aircraft capable of

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such maneuvers.

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Speaker 2: So what were we talking aliens? Again?

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Speaker 1: Some people speculated was an advanced underwater drone, perhaps from

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a foreign power, but others believe it was something far

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more extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Something far more extraordinary. You've got to admit that's a

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pretty intriguing possibility.

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Speaker 1: It is, isn't it? And it makes you question what

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we really know about our world and what might be

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lurking in the depths of our oceans. It's a reminder

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that there are still mysteries out there, phenomena that defy

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our current understanding, and that sometimes the truth is stranger than.

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Speaker 2: Fiction, sometimes a lot stranger. Welcome back to our deep

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dive into the world of government secrets. I hope you're

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ready for more, because we're just getting started.

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Speaker 1: Oh believe me, I'm all ears. I'm dying to know

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what other crazy stories you've uncovered. We were talking about

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hidden technology, right right.

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Speaker 2: And this next one is a real head scratcher. Remember

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that iPod we talked about.

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Speaker 1: The one with the hidden Geiger counter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: Well that's just the tip of the iceberg. We're talking

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about another secret iPod, but not the kind you'd use

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to listen to your favorite tunes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you've got my full attention. What was so

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special about this iPod?

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Speaker 1: Imagine you're strolling through a bustling city, earbuds in, blending

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music lover enjoying their day.

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Speaker 2: It sounds pretty ordinary to me. But what if I

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told you that you're not just enjoying music. You're on

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a secret mission for the US Department of Energy measuring radiation.

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Speaker 1: Level Wait, what another radiation detecting iPod?

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Speaker 2: Seriously, dead serious. Apple teamed up with the DOE to

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create this covert device. Hidden inside this seemingly ordinary iPod

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was a highly sensitive geiger counter.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. All the secrecy, though, why not just use

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a regular geiger counter?

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Speaker 2: Well, think about it. If you're trying to detect smuggled

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geranium or evidence of a dirty bomb operation, you don't

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want to attract attention, right, Yeah, that makes sense. A

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scientist walking around with a clunky geiger counter is going

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to raise eyebrows, but someone casually listening to their iPod

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nobody bets an eye.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant blending cutting edge technology with everyday objects to

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create a tool for covert operations. It really makes you

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wonder what other seemingly ordinary devices might have secret lives.

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I mean, maybe my phone is secretly a laser beam.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. Maybe you never know what's lurking beneath the

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surface in the world of espionage. But speaking of lurking,

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our next story takes us back to the Cold War,

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a time of heightened tensions and top secret operations where

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the US military took a let's say unique approach to

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understanding their adversary.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm intrigued. What kind of approach are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Picture this American pilots flying Soviet Meg fighter jets, not

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in a simulation, not in a captured aircraft, but in

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actual operational MiGs secretly acquired and operated by the US military.

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Speaker 1: Wait what our pilots were flying enemy aircraft? Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Completely serious? It was all part of a top secret

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program called Constant PEG. The logic was simple. To truly

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understand your enemy, you need to know their strength and

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weaknesses firsthand.

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Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense. But how did they even

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get their hands on these megs.

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Speaker 2: It was a combination of covert acquisitions, defections, and some

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shall we say, creative gartering. It was a shadowy world

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of backroom deals and clandestine operations, all done under a

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veil of secrecy.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I can only imagine the political fallout if the

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Soviets found out.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it would have been a diplomatic nightmare. But they

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managed to keep it under wraps. They established these remote

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training areas, far from prying eyes, where pilots could practice

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dog fighting maneuvers and familiarize themselves with the migs' capabilities.

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Speaker 1: That level of secrecy is mind blowing. It reminds me

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of another operation during the Vietnam War where the CIA

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used a suicide drone to gather intelligence on Soviet missiles.

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Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, Operation United Effort. Those say two missiles supplied

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by the Soviets were causing major problems for US forces

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in Vietnam. Yeah, they needed to find a way to

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counter this threat, but they needed intel and that's where

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the SAM Sniffer came into play.

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Speaker 1: Sam Sniffer, Okay, that's a pretty cool name. What was it? Exactly?

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Speaker 2: Think of it as a trojan horse with wings. It

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was essentially a drone disguised as a U two spyplane,

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but instead of cameras, it was loaded with sensors designed

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to collect data on the SA two's guidance systems.

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Speaker 1: So they basically sent this drone into a hot zone,

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hoping to trigger a missile launch and collect intel before

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it got blown to bits.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, it was a one way mission, hence the nickname

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suicide drone. A calculated risk, but the information they gained.

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Speaker 1: Was crucial, so they intentionally got this drone shot down.

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I mean it sounds crazy, but I guess it worked.

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Speaker 2: It did. The sensors captured critical information about the SA

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twos radar and proximity fuse systems. This intel was crucial

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in developing countermeasures that helped protect US aircraft from those

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Speaker 1: So this one drone sacrifice potentially saved countless lives. That's incredible,

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it really is.

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Speaker 2: It shows how unconventional tactics and sometimes even sacrifices are

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necessary to achieve a strategic objective.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a reminder that sometimes you have to think

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outside the box, take calculated risks to get the job done.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of strange encounters, I can't help but think

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back to that story about the Navy commander and the

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dark mass. It's just so.

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Speaker 1: Bizarre Amanda Fraver's encounter. Yeah, that was hard to shake.

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It really makes you question everything you thought you knew

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about what's out there. He and another pilot witnessed this

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massive unidentified object hovering below the surface of the ocean.

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It's like something out of a science fiction movie.

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Speaker 2: And remember Fraber was a highly experienced pilot, not someone

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prone to making outlandish claims, and yet both he and

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the other pilot saw it with their own eyes.

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Speaker 1: They described it as a large, dark, circular mass, much

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bigger than any submarine they'd ever seen, and it was

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moving in ways that defied explanation.

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Speaker 2: Hovering, darting, even ascending towards Fraverr's jet at an incredible speed.

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It's no wonder he had to take evasive action.

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Speaker 1: That's terrifying. Do they ever figure out what it was?

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Speaker 2: The Navy investigated, of course, but they couldn't come up

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with a definitive answer. Some speculator it was an advanced

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underwater drone, maybe from a foreign power, but others believe

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it was something far more extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: Something far more extraordinary. I mean, it's certainly a possibility,

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and it makes you wonder what else might be out there,

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hitting in the depths of our oceans, operating beyond our understanding.

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Speaker 2: It's a humbling thought, isn't it. We tend to think

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we've explored and charted every corner of our world, but

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stories like this remind us that there are still mysteries

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out there, phenomena that defy our current understanding. Sometimes those

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mysteries are right beneath our noses, or in this case,

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beneath the waves.

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Speaker 1: And we're back for the final leg of our deep

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dive into government secrets. I don't know about you, but

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I'm still reeling from some of the things we've talked about.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely been a wild ride. But hold on type

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because we've saved some of the most mind boggling revelations.

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Speaker 1: For last Oh, you've got to be kidding me. What

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could possibly top robot, catfish and secret iPods?

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Speaker 2: Well, how about a project that sounds like it came

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straight out of a nineteen fifty I FI A movie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now you've really got me intrigued. What are we

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talking about?

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Speaker 2: Imagine this? The US military, at the height of the

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Cold War, obsessed with reports of UFO sightings.

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Speaker 1: I could see where this is going.

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Speaker 2: They decided to take matters into their own hands and

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launch a top secret program with one ambitious goal build

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their own flying saucer.

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Speaker 1: You're kidding, right, They actually tried to build a flying saucer.

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Speaker 2: I'm totally serious. Project seventeen ninety four was a real program,

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funded by real taxpayer dollars, with the aim of creating

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a supersonic aircraft that could outmaneuver anything the Soviets had.

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Speaker 1: So what did this flying saucer look like? Was it

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a sleek silver disc like the ones we see in

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the movies.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was definitely disc shaped, about the size of

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a small car, with a rounded cockpit in the center.

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It was designed for vertical takeoff and landing, and it

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was supposed to be incredibly fast and agile.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like something out of the Jetsons. Did they

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actually manage to build a working prototype?

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Speaker 2: They made some progress, they developed designs, built models, and

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even conducted some preliminary tests, but the technology just wasn't

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there yet.

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Speaker 1: Ah So it was a bit ahead of its time exactly.

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Speaker 2: It was just too ambitious for the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: That's a shame. I would have loved to see a

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real life flying sauce or inaction. But okay, let's jump

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forward a few decades. What other secret aircraft projects have

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you dug up?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's one that shrouded in even more secrecy than

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Project seventeen ninety four. It's called the Next Generation Air

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Dominance Program or MNGAD for short NGAD.

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Speaker 1: That sounds pretty serious. What do we know about it?

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Speaker 2: Not much, Honestly, it's one of the most classified military

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projects in recent history. We know it's a new fighter

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jet and that it's breaking all sorts of records.

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Speaker 1: So it's like a real life stealth project hidden from

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public view. What kind of records are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: We can only speculate. The Air Force has hinted that

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it's a sixth generation fighter with advanced stealth capabilities, hypersonic

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speeds and maybe even artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Artificial intelligence in a fighter jet. That sounds like something

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straight out of it Tom Cruise movie. But while the secrecy,

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why not show off their new toy to the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, in the world of military strategy, maintaining a technological

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edge is crucial, keeping your adversaries guessing, staying one step

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ahead is everything, and in this case, they're clearly playing

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their cards close to the vest.

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Speaker 1: So basically, they're saying, we've got something amazing, but we're

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not telling you what it.

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Speaker 2: Is pretty much, which, let's face it just makes it

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even more intriguing, it really does.

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what other technological marvels are being

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developed in secret labs around the world. It's like a

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whole secret world of innovation hidden from public view.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing about secrets, isn't it. They have

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a way of sparking our curiosity, making us want to

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dig deeper, uncover the truth.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's what this whole deep dive has been about,

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exploring the hidden corners of history, uncovering the stories that

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often go untold.

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Speaker 2: It's been a journey, that's for sure. From the depths

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of the ocean to the heights of the Himalayas, we've

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encountered rope bot catfish, secret iPods, vanishing plutonium, and even

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attempted flying saucers.

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Speaker 1: And through it all we've learned that the truth can

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be far stranger and far more intriguing than anything we

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could imagine.

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Speaker 2: So to everyone listening, we hope you've enjoyed this deep

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dive into the world of government secrets. Remember, the world

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is full of mysteries. Keep those curious minds engaged, keep

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asking questions, and who knows what you might uncover.

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Speaker 1: And on that note we'll sign off. Thanks for joining us.