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Speaker 1: Who the fuck needs twenty million dollars a year to

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Speaker 2: Not only that, but look at people like Doug Wilson.

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A lot of these these religious leaders are very very wealthy.

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That's why I I, you know, and again i'll.

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Speaker 1: I'll these churches, some of these churches a million dollar church.

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Speaker 2: Must And you know, I get and again I get

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accused by a family member of being anti Christian when

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I say this stuff. But it's like, I'm actually not

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anti Christian. I think I think Gandhi was right. You know,

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when Gandhi I can never get the exact quote right

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when he said, it's it's it's not it's not your

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christ I don't like. It's your Christians. I don't like

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because they're so unlike your christ Or as a friend

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of mine used to paraphrase, I have a friend who

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passed away a few years ago, but he used to

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say his version of that was Christianity is a great idea.

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Somebody should actually try it, because you know, these people

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so so blatantly, so flagrantly. I call it ironic Christianity.

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You know, which is this this version of Christianity where

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you say you love Christ and he's your savior, while

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actively having as little to do as possible with anything

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Christ actually said or taught and behaviors. Yeah, exactly exactly.

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That's why you know, I'm I'm pretty skeptical about all

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of it because I don't think any of these people

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actually it's does.

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Speaker 3: Jesus say, for I was a stranger in your land

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and you fed me?

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Speaker 1: For I was a stranger.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole section of the Bible and Jesus says,

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you know, you fed me, you clothe me, you housed me,

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you did right by me.

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Speaker 1: And then he goes after the people on the.

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Speaker 3: Other side and he says, for I was a stranger

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in your land and you did not feed me, and

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you did not clothe me. And he casts them down

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because they're not the real Christian. The real Christian is

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the one who brought them in. The real Christian is

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the one that goes over to the poor and feeds

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them and close them. And here's what's the kicker for you. Okay,

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the whole thing about government is not going to doesn't

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want to do charity things.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not gonna we shouldn't have food stamps.

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We should have churches with food banks. That's the answer.

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't have free things because the churches will do it.

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Speaker 1: These are the churches and they're not doing it.

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Speaker 3: And then, yeah, so the same people who are saying

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the church is to be doing it are the same

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people who are that the.

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Speaker 1: Leaders in these churches who won't freaking.

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Speaker 2: Do it, right you want? Yeah, sorry, I just wanted

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to say to be fair. So when we talk about this,

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you know, we're talking about the churches that are obviously

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all about the money, or at least obviously those of

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us who are looking at them with a critical eye.

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There are I just want to acknowledge that it. You know,

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in communities all across the country, there are also small

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churches that actually do do things for the community like

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run soup kitchens and various charities and food drives and

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clothing drives and everything. So I want to acknowledge that too.

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I don't want to paint everybody with that, because yeah,

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there are people who are actually believe it or not

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trying to do Christ's work in communities all across the country,

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and they they need to be uh acknowledged and praised

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for that. Because they're actually they're actually doing something good,

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so we don't want to pay with a broad brush.

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But we're talking about the Charlatans, who unfortunately are the

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ones who get all the media coverage, who are who

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are not doing Christ's work because my theory is they're

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they're atheists. I always say this about televangelists, there's no

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way they actually believe in God, because if they like

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people like people away. No, No, I don't think it's even that.

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I have a different theory about that. I know everyone

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says that, but they do. I think no. I think

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they're full on atheists. I'll tell you why, because if

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there were any part of them that actually believed, wouldn't

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they be afraid of going to Hell for what they do?

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I think they will. I think they're atheists because.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they all believe in what they're saying.

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Speaker 3: When I lived a God lived in Kentucky years ago,

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I looked in Kentucky and I worked in a real

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sweatshop sewing factory. We made pajamas and I had to

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like sew sleeves onto these shirts, and you had to

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look at your machine if you were caught looking at

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somebody else you'd get yelled at in front of everybody

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and threatened with getting fired. No talking not they There

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were multiple times that Friday would roll around and they'd

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tell us that the banks screwed something up and when

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our paychecks weren't there, or you'd go to the bank

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to cast your paycheck.

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Speaker 1: And it would bounce. There wouldn't bet any money left

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in the account if you didn't get there fast enough

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to get your paycheck.

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Speaker 3: But every Friday at three pm, we were to shut

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our machines off and they would play original Sin doctrine

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sermons over the speakers. If you didn't want to listen

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to it, you were supposed to go back to work.

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Speaker 1: But if you turned your machine and went back to work,

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somebody would yell at you that they couldn't hear the sermon.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's seeing holier than and they believed Oh did

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they believe me? Lord?

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Speaker 4: I understand that they and literally them came out of

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the office and said to me, the reason we weren't

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getting paid was because the fax machine messed up the

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numbers when they sent it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I told him I knew how a fax

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machine worked. And I went home with my paycheck and

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I was told that I was to say nothing or

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I would be fired, and so would my husband.

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Speaker 1: But these are the same people here.

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Speaker 3: These guys make so much money off of the faithful,

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but they believe wholeheartedly that God wants them to do this.

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Speaker 1: God wants them to have these things just to clarify

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them for the hard work that they're doing.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's called it's called prosperity gospel. But what

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I'm I'm just saying, I'm talking about the people at

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the very top, the very top, like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White,

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Speaker 1: I just I personally she excused.

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Speaker 2: No, no, No, that's what I'm saying. I believe I

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believe that they don't believe at all. I'm saying this

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is purely.

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Speaker 3: A business that I'm surprised that you say that.

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Speaker 2: Did I say what that?

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Speaker 1: You don't think they're real believers?

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Speaker 2: You're you're surprised, No, I don't. I don't think. I

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don't think that's what I'm Yeah, I don't think Paula

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what they really.

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Speaker 1: I do believe she does. I do think she's a

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true believer.

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Speaker 3: I think she so believes that she's been chosen by

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this power that if she gets us stinging in her foot,

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it's God's telling her something.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a business. It's a business to them. It's

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a business to them.

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Speaker 1: They I will agree to disagree with you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, who knows. I mean who knows. I don't know.

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I don't know what what goes on in their brains

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are in their hearts. But no, I don't. That's always

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been my theory that that I'm talking about. I'm talking

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about the really rich televangelists like Paula White, Joel Oldstein.

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I don't. I don't think they don't. I don't think

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that they actually believe that there's a deity who's going

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to judge them when they die. Because if they actually

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believed that, wouldn't they be afraid to do what they do?

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And this you see?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: Let me let me say I lived in Kentucky for

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three years, and you want to talk about uber uber

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Christian like these people are Christians you've never met?

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Speaker 2: No, But that's not who I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: But that's what I know. I disagree with you there.

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These people are those people. They are those believers that

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carry it like a badge of courage, and they truly

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believe there's something magical inside them. When that woman stands

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up Ryan and she believes that God is going to

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give her the strength to move a hurricane with.

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Speaker 1: A stick while she's speaking in tongues.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, yes, she knows it's good. She knows.

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Speaker 1: They believe that ship, lockstock and barrel. They'll fight you

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over it. They'll kill you.

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Speaker 3: My Actually, my father in law Breton to shoot me.

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Speaker 1: He was gonna like threaten to kill me.

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Speaker 2: What I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: Excuse me? He accuse me of doing witchcraft lighting?

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Speaker 2: H No, I understand that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the people that these people. I've

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met these people.

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Speaker 3: I've met some of these people who are a ship

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ton of money and they justify it.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the people at the though they believe.

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Speaker 3: No, I think they believe it. I think they're firm believers.

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I don't think you think Joel.

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Speaker 2: You think Joel actually believes as a God judge.

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Speaker 3: Him, Yes, yes, but he doesn't believe God's going to

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judge him poorly.

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Speaker 1: They don't fear judgment. You got to understand something, too, honey.

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Speaker 3: A lot of these people believe that once in grace

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always engrace.

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Speaker 1: Once you're saved. You're always saved, which.

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Speaker 2: Gives you all, which gives you a perpetual get out

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of jail free.

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Speaker 1: Ever you commit always engrace.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't believe one hundred percent and that

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you believe that once you repent, you're fine. As long

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as you ask God for forgiveness, you go to heaven.

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to believe that something you did was wrong, as long

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as you prayed on it and turned it over to God.

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Speaker 1: Left it on the altar.

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Speaker 2: Well so well, So do you believe that Trump actually

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believes all of his own bullshit? Or is this a

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con see I apply the same sea. I look at

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I also know that that Trump is a con man,

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and he's just conned millions of people who are gullible

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enough to believe he found.

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Speaker 1: He tapped in and realized.

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Speaker 3: How much power there Isn't that Because if they stand

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in front of you with the Bible preaching gospel, and

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preaching gospel means you're saying anything godly. So Trump's standing

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there with the Bible and saying something.

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Speaker 1: Godly is God. This is God moving through him. Say

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you believe it looks That's why he can't do anything wrong,

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because God is directing it, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, and as a plan for it was chosen by

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God only he knows what he.

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Speaker 3: You cannot understand the wonders of the Lord. You have

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to put your faith in trust in it.

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Speaker 2: And that's.

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Speaker 1: To win. He wanted to win. He also wanted to

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stay out of jail. And he saw that these.

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Speaker 3: People latched on and he realized that if he gave

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them the Christianity they were looking for, they'd be in

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like crazy all over him. And that's exactly what's happened.

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All he does is give them what they want, and

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they're happy, and he keeps them, and he keeps their

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their support and their favoritism and all of that.

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Speaker 1: And that's all he kids about. I don't think he

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knows shit about the freaking Bible.

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Speaker 3: Anybody who stands there and goes two Corinthians has never

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read the fucking Bible, because you don't even know how

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it works.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite clip of all time is was

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when side down No No, When Who's at John Heilman

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and who is the other guy? Rob Halprin. This was

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back during the twenty sixteen campaign when they asked him

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after a debate, was he you know, if he had

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a specific passage in the Bible that he's like, oh, no,

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I like all of it. And ask him, well, are

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you of a more of an Old Testament guy or

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a New Testament guy? And he goes, well, you know,

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I think I like them both equally. And it's like

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he's but but and yet these Christian conservatives, they're so

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Speaker 1: And they also they actual them very much to New Testament.

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Speaker 3: Only Old Testament it was done away with with, was

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fulfilled by Jesus.

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Speaker 1: So you follow the New Testament. The Old Testament isn't

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needed anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, the the world, but the Old well, but they

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go to the Old Testament.

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Speaker 3: Of course they validate shit, they'll validate stories or whatever

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you mean testament, but that's not how you live by.

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You live by what's in the New Testament and what

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Jesus said. So we're not doing burnt offerings, No, they

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don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Goal we move to Sundays instead of Saturdays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't give a about They don't give

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a shit about Jesus either, though, like that don't. I mean,

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I mean, they love him and they accept him as

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a savior, but they don't actually care about anything you

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said or did.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they do. They believe it.

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Speaker 3: I'm living a godly life by following Jesus's teachings.

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Speaker 2: But they don't. Though they don't they don't.

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Speaker 1: Believe they are, they firmly believe they are. Well, I

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think they I think they believe it.

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Speaker 2: I think they kind of treat Jesus like he's like

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the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving, Like, you know, we love him,

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he's part of the family. But if Jesus wants to

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just go to bed now and not say anything else

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crazy like you know, you should take care of poor

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people or not let children start over something. We've had

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enough of that, Jesus, Why don't you just going on

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to skip.

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Speaker 1: Those pots that are inconvenient?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course it's all inconvenient.

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Speaker 1: They and they twist.

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Speaker 3: You know, take take any section of Scripture, hand it

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to ten Christians, and they're all going to come up

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with who you know, they'll come up with ten different

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versions of what they think it says.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it's based on whatever they want it to.

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Speaker 3: Be exactly exactly I'll justify my belief. I'll find a

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verse that justify this one fits me. And that's how

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it works. I can justify anything I want to believe.

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Look at Doug believes that slavery was.

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Speaker 1: Good for people. Doug Wilson is the one that said

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slavery was good for people.

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Speaker 2: That's a common narrative among his ilk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they believe that shit, and they justify it

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biblically because you're supposed to be good to your slaves.

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Speaker 1: It's in the Bible. They were good Christians, they were

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good to their slaves. See, yeah, that's real.

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Speaker 3: These people like I've been. I'm telling you, these people

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will kill you for their belief. That's how strong the

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belief is. It is one hundred percent. And everything you

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do becomes for God, for God. It's that marching order,

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and you justify and they justify it. They for I

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believe that the vast majority of the fuckers think they're

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doing the right thing under their faith.

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Speaker 1: But Trump is doing money.

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Speaker 3: Heck seth, I think he might be fucked up and

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truly believe this shit because he's been a part of it.

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Speaker 1: Long before you might hump orbit. He has been a

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part of this a long time.