Speaker 1: Who the fuck needs twenty million dollars a year to
live well.
Speaker 2: Not only that, but look at people like Doug Wilson.
You know, he lives very well. He's a very wealthy man.
A lot of these these religious leaders are very very wealthy.
That's why I I, you know, and again i'll.
Speaker 1: I'll these churches, some of these churches a million dollar church.
Speaker 2: Must And you know, I get and again I get
accused by a family member of being anti Christian when
I say this stuff. But it's like, I'm actually not
anti Christian. I think I think Gandhi was right. You know,
when Gandhi I can never get the exact quote right
when he said, it's it's it's not it's not your
christ I don't like. It's your Christians. I don't like
because they're so unlike your christ Or as a friend
of mine used to paraphrase, I have a friend who
passed away a few years ago, but he used to
say his version of that was Christianity is a great idea.
Somebody should actually try it, because you know, these people
so so blatantly, so flagrantly. I call it ironic Christianity.
You know, which is this this version of Christianity where
you say you love Christ and he's your savior, while
actively having as little to do as possible with anything
Christ actually said or taught and behaviors. Yeah, exactly exactly.
That's why you know, I'm I'm pretty skeptical about all
of it because I don't think any of these people
actually it's does.
Speaker 3: Jesus say, for I was a stranger in your land
and you fed me?
Speaker 1: For I was a stranger.
Speaker 3: There's a whole section of the Bible and Jesus says,
you know, you fed me, you clothe me, you housed me,
you did right by me.
Speaker 1: And then he goes after the people on the.
Speaker 3: Other side and he says, for I was a stranger
in your land and you did not feed me, and
you did not clothe me. And he casts them down
because they're not the real Christian. The real Christian is
the one who brought them in. The real Christian is
the one that goes over to the poor and feeds
them and close them. And here's what's the kicker for you. Okay,
the whole thing about government is not going to doesn't
want to do charity things.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not gonna we shouldn't have food stamps.
We should have churches with food banks. That's the answer.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't have free things because the churches will do it.
Speaker 1: These are the churches and they're not doing it.
Speaker 3: And then, yeah, so the same people who are saying
the church is to be doing it are the same
people who are that the.
Speaker 1: Leaders in these churches who won't freaking.
Speaker 2: Do it, right you want? Yeah, sorry, I just wanted
to say to be fair. So when we talk about this,
you know, we're talking about the churches that are obviously
all about the money, or at least obviously those of
us who are looking at them with a critical eye.
There are I just want to acknowledge that it. You know,
in communities all across the country, there are also small
churches that actually do do things for the community like
run soup kitchens and various charities and food drives and
clothing drives and everything. So I want to acknowledge that too.
I don't want to paint everybody with that, because yeah,
there are people who are actually believe it or not
trying to do Christ's work in communities all across the country,
and they they need to be uh acknowledged and praised
for that. Because they're actually they're actually doing something good,
so we don't want to pay with a broad brush.
But we're talking about the Charlatans, who unfortunately are the
ones who get all the media coverage, who are who
are not doing Christ's work because my theory is they're
they're atheists. I always say this about televangelists, there's no
way they actually believe in God, because if they like
people like people away. No, No, I don't think it's even that.
I have a different theory about that. I know everyone
says that, but they do. I think no. I think
they're full on atheists. I'll tell you why, because if
there were any part of them that actually believed, wouldn't
they be afraid of going to Hell for what they do?
I think they will. I think they're atheists because.
Speaker 1: I don't think they all believe in what they're saying.
Speaker 3: When I lived a God lived in Kentucky years ago,
I looked in Kentucky and I worked in a real
sweatshop sewing factory. We made pajamas and I had to
like sew sleeves onto these shirts, and you had to
look at your machine if you were caught looking at
somebody else you'd get yelled at in front of everybody
and threatened with getting fired. No talking not they There
were multiple times that Friday would roll around and they'd
tell us that the banks screwed something up and when
our paychecks weren't there, or you'd go to the bank
to cast your paycheck.
Speaker 1: And it would bounce. There wouldn't bet any money left
in the account if you didn't get there fast enough
to get your paycheck.
Speaker 3: But every Friday at three pm, we were to shut
our machines off and they would play original Sin doctrine
sermons over the speakers. If you didn't want to listen
to it, you were supposed to go back to work.
Speaker 1: But if you turned your machine and went back to work,
somebody would yell at you that they couldn't hear the sermon.
Speaker 3: Right, he's seeing holier than and they believed Oh did
they believe me? Lord?
Speaker 4: I understand that they and literally them came out of
the office and said to me, the reason we weren't
getting paid was because the fax machine messed up the
numbers when they sent it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I told him I knew how a fax
machine worked. And I went home with my paycheck and
I was told that I was to say nothing or
I would be fired, and so would my husband.
Speaker 1: But these are the same people here.
Speaker 3: These guys make so much money off of the faithful,
but they believe wholeheartedly that God wants them to do this.
Speaker 1: God wants them to have these things just to clarify
them for the hard work that they're doing.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's called it's called prosperity gospel. But what
I'm I'm just saying, I'm talking about the people at
the very top, the very top, like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White,
Joel Olstein.
Speaker 1: I just I personally she excused.
Speaker 2: No, no, No, that's what I'm saying. I believe I
believe that they don't believe at all. I'm saying this
is purely.
Speaker 3: A business that I'm surprised that you say that.
Speaker 2: Did I say what that?
Speaker 1: You don't think they're real believers?
Speaker 2: You're you're surprised, No, I don't. I don't think. I
don't think that's what I'm Yeah, I don't think Paula
what they really.
Speaker 1: I do believe she does. I do think she's a
true believer.
Speaker 3: I think she so believes that she's been chosen by
this power that if she gets us stinging in her foot,
it's God's telling her something.
Speaker 2: No, it's a business. It's a business to them. It's
a business to them.
Speaker 1: They I will agree to disagree with you.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows. I mean who knows. I don't know.
I don't know what what goes on in their brains
are in their hearts. But no, I don't. That's always
been my theory that that I'm talking about. I'm talking
about the really rich televangelists like Paula White, Joel Oldstein.
I don't. I don't think they don't. I don't think
that they actually believe that there's a deity who's going
to judge them when they die. Because if they actually
believed that, wouldn't they be afraid to do what they do?
And this you see?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Let me let me say I lived in Kentucky for
three years, and you want to talk about uber uber
Christian like these people are Christians you've never met?
Speaker 2: No, But that's not who I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: But that's what I know. I disagree with you there.
These people are those people. They are those believers that
carry it like a badge of courage, and they truly
believe there's something magical inside them. When that woman stands
up Ryan and she believes that God is going to
give her the strength to move a hurricane with.
Speaker 1: A stick while she's speaking in tongues.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, yes, she knows it's good. She knows.
Speaker 1: They believe that ship, lockstock and barrel. They'll fight you
over it. They'll kill you.
Speaker 3: My Actually, my father in law Breton to shoot me.
Speaker 1: He was gonna like threaten to kill me.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Excuse me? He accuse me of doing witchcraft lighting?
Speaker 2: H No, I understand that.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the people that these people. I've
met these people.
Speaker 3: I've met some of these people who are a ship
ton of money and they justify it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the people at the though they believe.
Speaker 3: No, I think they believe it. I think they're firm believers.
I don't think you think Joel.
Speaker 2: You think Joel actually believes as a God judge.
Speaker 3: Him, Yes, yes, but he doesn't believe God's going to
judge him poorly.
Speaker 1: They don't fear judgment. You got to understand something, too, honey.
Speaker 3: A lot of these people believe that once in grace
always engrace.
Speaker 1: Once you're saved. You're always saved, which.
Speaker 2: Gives you all, which gives you a perpetual get out
of jail free.
Speaker 1: Ever you commit always engrace.
Speaker 3: And if you don't believe one hundred percent and that
you believe that once you repent, you're fine. As long
as you ask God for forgiveness, you go to heaven.
So no matter what you do, even if you come
to believe that something you did was wrong, as long
as you prayed on it and turned it over to God.
Speaker 1: Left it on the altar.
Speaker 2: Well so well, So do you believe that Trump actually
believes all of his own bullshit? Or is this a
con see I apply the same sea. I look at
Trumps the same way I look at these televangelists, because
I also know that that Trump is a con man,
and he's just conned millions of people who are gullible
enough to believe he found.
Speaker 1: He tapped in and realized.
Speaker 3: How much power there Isn't that Because if they stand
in front of you with the Bible preaching gospel, and
preaching gospel means you're saying anything godly. So Trump's standing
there with the Bible and saying something.
Speaker 1: Godly is God. This is God moving through him. Say
you believe it looks That's why he can't do anything wrong,
because God is directing it, all.
Speaker 2: Right, and as a plan for it was chosen by
God only he knows what he.
Speaker 3: You cannot understand the wonders of the Lord. You have
to put your faith in trust in it.
Speaker 2: And that's.
Speaker 1: To win. He wanted to win. He also wanted to
stay out of jail. And he saw that these.
Speaker 3: People latched on and he realized that if he gave
them the Christianity they were looking for, they'd be in
like crazy all over him. And that's exactly what's happened.
All he does is give them what they want, and
they're happy, and he keeps them, and he keeps their
their support and their favoritism and all of that.
Speaker 1: And that's all he kids about. I don't think he
knows shit about the freaking Bible.
Speaker 3: Anybody who stands there and goes two Corinthians has never
read the fucking Bible, because you don't even know how
it works.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite clip of all time is was
when side down No No, When Who's at John Heilman
and who is the other guy? Rob Halprin. This was
back during the twenty sixteen campaign when they asked him
after a debate, was he you know, if he had
a specific passage in the Bible that he's like, oh, no,
I like all of it. And ask him, well, are
you of a more of an Old Testament guy or
a New Testament guy? And he goes, well, you know,
I think I like them both equally. And it's like
he's but but and yet these Christian conservatives, they're so
easily conned by it.
Speaker 1: And they also they actual them very much to New Testament.
Speaker 3: Only Old Testament it was done away with with, was
fulfilled by Jesus.
Speaker 1: So you follow the New Testament. The Old Testament isn't
needed anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, the the world, but the Old well, but they
go to the Old Testament.
Speaker 3: Of course they validate shit, they'll validate stories or whatever
you mean testament, but that's not how you live by.
You live by what's in the New Testament and what
Jesus said. So we're not doing burnt offerings, No, they
don't do that.
Speaker 1: Goal we move to Sundays instead of Saturdays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't give a about They don't give
a shit about Jesus either, though, like that don't. I mean,
I mean, they love him and they accept him as
a savior, but they don't actually care about anything you
said or did.
Speaker 1: Oh, they do. They believe it.
Speaker 3: I'm living a godly life by following Jesus's teachings.
Speaker 2: But they don't. Though they don't they don't.
Speaker 1: Believe they are, they firmly believe they are. Well, I
think they I think they believe it.
Speaker 2: I think they kind of treat Jesus like he's like
the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving, Like, you know, we love him,
he's part of the family. But if Jesus wants to
just go to bed now and not say anything else
crazy like you know, you should take care of poor
people or not let children start over something. We've had
enough of that, Jesus, Why don't you just going on
to skip.
Speaker 1: Those pots that are inconvenient?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course it's all inconvenient.
Speaker 1: They and they twist.
Speaker 3: You know, take take any section of Scripture, hand it
to ten Christians, and they're all going to come up
with who you know, they'll come up with ten different
versions of what they think it says.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it's based on whatever they want it to.
Speaker 3: Be exactly exactly I'll justify my belief. I'll find a
verse that justify this one fits me. And that's how
it works. I can justify anything I want to believe.
Look at Doug believes that slavery was.
Speaker 1: Good for people. Doug Wilson is the one that said
slavery was good for people.
Speaker 2: That's a common narrative among his ilk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they believe that shit, and they justify it
biblically because you're supposed to be good to your slaves.
Speaker 1: It's in the Bible. They were good Christians, they were
good to their slaves. See, yeah, that's real.
Speaker 3: These people like I've been. I'm telling you, these people
will kill you for their belief. That's how strong the
belief is. It is one hundred percent. And everything you
do becomes for God, for God. It's that marching order,
and you justify and they justify it. They for I
believe that the vast majority of the fuckers think they're
doing the right thing under their faith.
Speaker 1: But Trump is doing money.
Speaker 3: Heck seth, I think he might be fucked up and
truly believe this shit because he's been a part of it.
Speaker 1: Long before you might hump orbit. He has been a
part of this a long time.