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Speaker 2: I was about to mention that it was a beautiful Tuesday,
Speaker 2: but I have no clue what the weather is like
Speaker 2: right now because I've been in this k for the
Speaker 2: last two and a half hours. And I wouldn't I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. But
Speaker 2: today was kind of like a tease.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: We had the sun out, but it wasn't above like
Speaker 2: mid fifties, and it was windy. I'm I'm ready for
Speaker 2: some warm weather and I'm gonna get it next week
Speaker 2: because I'll be in Florida for our spring break trip
Speaker 2: and it'll be warmer there then it'll be here. But
Speaker 2: the last time I went to Florida this time of year,
Speaker 2: I mean I was reminded that, you know, warmer than
Speaker 2: where we are, but also like, you know, the ocean's
Speaker 2: gonna be freezing. And if it's in the seventies and
Speaker 2: you're you're on the beach and that winds whipping, like
Speaker 2: are you I mean you might need to put you know,
Speaker 2: like a layer on, right, I mean, I know it
Speaker 2: sounds soft. I'm sure I'll end up, you know, enjoying
Speaker 2: the sun and you know, showing off this phenomenal body
Speaker 2: thanks to the Louisville Men's Clinic. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: like spring in Florida. When I went to spring break
Speaker 2: many years ago at Panama City when I was like twenty,
Speaker 2: somehow survived. But the first year we went, it was warm,
Speaker 2: like I don't really remember. Well, I was kind of
Speaker 2: drunk the whole time, so I don't really remember a
Speaker 2: whole lot about the weather, but I don't remember it
Speaker 2: being like cold. But the next year we went, it
Speaker 2: wasn't cold, but it was breezy, like you you know,
Speaker 2: nobody was getting in any water, and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it was better than being back in Kentucky. But anyways,
Speaker 2: I'll stop complaining because you don't want to hear that, right,
Speaker 2: what's complaining do? And when it comes to complaining, that's
Speaker 2: what a lot of coaches are doing this day and
Speaker 2: age with the portal and nil and their complaints are
Speaker 2: a waste of time. But also they have a point
Speaker 2: that it's way different and it's harder to do their job.
Speaker 2: They got to make a jugs and that's you know,
Speaker 2: it's really what a lot of people have to do
Speaker 2: in every job. I mean, I'm sure there are exceptions,
Speaker 2: but I imagine a lot of you who've had different
Speaker 2: jobs have had to make adjustments along the way. Some
Speaker 2: were easier to adjust than other than others. But I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just part of it. So I'll bring that up
Speaker 2: to start the five o'clock hour because I think of
Speaker 2: all the different things that are really right in your
Speaker 2: face that tell you how different college sports is now
Speaker 2: than it was five six years ago. I think this
Speaker 2: graphic that shows where every player starting in the sweet
Speaker 2: sixteen started their career is the ultimate, Like, damn, this
Speaker 2: is kind of crazy because there's dudes like, for example,
Speaker 2: the Kentucky starting five, there was one guy who I
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out who it was, and then I realized, oh,
Speaker 2: he's transferred twice, So Kentucky starting five. This is where
Speaker 2: these guys started their career. San Diego State, Oklahoma, Dayton, Delaware,
Speaker 2: and Drexel. I mean, Delaware is where Andrew Carr was
Speaker 2: before he transferred up to Wake Forest. I mean, you've
Speaker 2: got a starting five here for Auburn that has one
Speaker 2: player in the lineup that started his career at Auburn.
Speaker 2: Everybody else Morehead State, de Kaine, Georgia Tech. And there's
Speaker 2: a G here that I don't know what that's for.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's for. I think it might
Speaker 2: be for Is it for Greensboro?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at the roster and I don't
Speaker 2: even know what the G would even stand for. In fact,
Speaker 2: they've got a guy that came from D two. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's maybe it's that guy. I'm looking at ole Misses
Speaker 2: starting five because they of course were in the Sweet
Speaker 2: sixteen with christ Beard, and I saw Louisville logo and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, wait a second, who is in the Sweet
Speaker 2: sixteen that played at Louisville? And I realized, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: a guy who's transferred twice. Drey Davis started his career
Speaker 2: at Louisville, ended up at Seaton Hall. Now he's at
Speaker 2: ole Miss. There's only one starter for ole Miss that's
Speaker 2: started his career at ole Miss. The others started at
Speaker 2: Saint Peter's Virginia Tech. Lowiell is mentioned in Vanderbilt. So
Speaker 2: I think that really is an eye opener, if not
Speaker 2: that you needed it, that things are a lot different now,
Speaker 2: but also I think it's it should it should make
Speaker 2: it to where when you see a guy transferring from
Speaker 2: a school like Kennesaw State, North Dakota State, Ohio, you're
Speaker 2: not worried about can they play. I mean, you never
Speaker 2: know if they're going to be good or not, but
Speaker 2: the proof is in the pudding. You you can you
Speaker 2: can have good. I mean, that's the the all the
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the Alabama. I mean I just mentioned the Auburn.
Speaker 2: I mean the number one overall. See that was Auburn.
Speaker 2: One guy from Auburn. Elsewhere it was Morehead State to Kane,
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, and then I think green un see Greensboro.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Alabama. Who's going back to the final four.
Speaker 2: They've got guys that started their career at Kennessas State,
Speaker 2: North Dakota State, Ohio. And this is a Power five program,
Speaker 2: but it's Rutgers the other one. So the only school
Speaker 2: in the Sweet sixteen that has all of their starters
Speaker 2: being guys that started their career there. It's a rare
Speaker 2: program that's successful. And that's Purdue. Purdue's weird, and I
Speaker 2: mean that in a good way. Matt Painter seems to
Speaker 2: be a guy that has been able to maintain success
Speaker 2: despite all the changes in college basketball. Duke has four.
Speaker 2: But Duke's also rare because if you're good at Duke,
Speaker 2: you're likely not going to leave Duke. They have four starters,
Speaker 2: and by the way, three of them are five star freshmen,
Speaker 2: I believe, and in fact, I'm not even sure who
Speaker 2: their four starter is that would be a Dukey. I
Speaker 2: know the point guard transferred from Tulane. He's the only
Speaker 2: guy in the starting lineup that did not start his
Speaker 2: career at Duke. So I just the visual and again
Speaker 2: it's not even about and this is what's Maybe it's
Speaker 2: just my capacity upstairs or lack thereof. You could, like
Speaker 2: show me a roster and I could, I could, you know,
Speaker 2: see these guys and then see you know, height, weight,
Speaker 2: previous school. But seeing the logos of these school for
Speaker 2: some reason is just what makes it really set in
Speaker 2: that like, these dudes started their career at at some
Speaker 2: of them at a lot at a much lower level. Houston,
Speaker 2: they've got three starters from that started at Houston. The
Speaker 2: other tour from Baylor in Oklahoma. And then there's some
Speaker 2: schools that I like, this is this is the This
Speaker 2: is the only complaint I have about this awesome graphic
Speaker 2: that was put together by a Twitter account called NCAA
Speaker 2: Buzzer Beaters and Game Winners. They don't give you which
Speaker 2: school is which, Like I could tell that if you've
Speaker 2: got four starters who started their career at Michigan State,
Speaker 2: good chance that's Michigan State, right, But there's one start,
Speaker 2: there's one Sweet sixteen team that I can't figure out
Speaker 2: who it is they have. Oh, I think I know now,
Speaker 2: it's got to be Texas Tech because they've got a Nevada,
Speaker 2: New Mexico, North Carolina Texas Tech, And I think.
Speaker 1: Is that.
Speaker 2: Howard Howard, which is a small level D one. And
Speaker 2: then I guess Florida would be the school that has
Speaker 2: one Gator that started there. And then the rest a
Speaker 2: Washington State, Belmont Fau and Iona. Yeah, that's because I
Speaker 2: own Walter Clayton junior. We all know he went to Iona.
Speaker 2: Therefore that's what that's what makes it clear that it's them.
Speaker 2: So anyways, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
Speaker 2: But what really really seems to be hard to ignore
Speaker 2: is that he's really all about money.
Speaker 4: Right, Like.
Speaker 2: If Walter Clayton Junior was at Florida last year, which
Speaker 2: he was, and he was you know, let's just say
Speaker 2: Walter Clayton Junior didn't get the same inile money or
Speaker 2: he didn't get more in ale money after showing last
Speaker 2: year a Florida that he was a really good player,
Speaker 2: well he probably would go elsewhere. I mean, Dray Davis,
Speaker 2: he left Louisville to go to Seaton Hall. Seton Hall,
Speaker 2: by the way, is believed to be the school with
Speaker 2: the least amount of nil money in the Power five.
Speaker 2: So it's no brainer. Loves loves shean Holloway. In fact,
Speaker 2: Dre and him are still super close. Drey had a
Speaker 2: baby while he was at Seaton Hall and it's actually
Speaker 2: a sad story, not super sad, but she and Holloway
Speaker 2: shared the story that he had to tell his wife
Speaker 2: to stop getting so close to his players because they're
Speaker 2: gonna leave, and like it's just gonna make you sad.
Speaker 2: So Dre had a baby with his with his longtime
Speaker 2: girlfriend and coach Holloway's wife got really close, became really
Speaker 2: close to just Dre, his girlfriend and the baby, and
Speaker 2: he left, and you know, she was like heartbroken. But
Speaker 2: it's just the way it is now. Because money matters
Speaker 2: in every aspect of life. It does matters a lot.
Speaker 2: We have some that I think don't prioritize it as
Speaker 2: much as others because maybe they don't have to, or
Speaker 2: maybe they're just more you know, they have more integrity.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but money now matters in college basketball,
Speaker 2: and I'm torn because, yes, like that sucks for schools
Speaker 2: that don't have it, because the likelihood of you being successful,
Speaker 2: especially long term or consistently, if you don't have any
Speaker 2: nil money, Like I don't even know how it would
Speaker 2: be possible to do it, you know, with longevity. So
Speaker 2: it sucks. But you expecting players to not do what's
Speaker 2: best for them and their livelihood because you have a
Speaker 2: great fan base, Like, that's not realistic, right, Like, compare
Speaker 2: it to really any other aspect of life. If you
Speaker 2: are playing at let's say Mark Sears, first team All American,
Speaker 2: he started his career at Ohio the Bobcats, not Ohio State, Ohio,
Speaker 2: the Bobcats in the MAC like them, expecting to keep
Speaker 2: him would really just be charity, right, Like, there's no
Speaker 2: way he can make them. I mean, it's him leaving
Speaker 2: money on the table. And most people in their jobs, yeah,
Speaker 2: they'll they'll take a job that might pay a little
Speaker 2: less because they realize they've got a great benefits page
Speaker 2: or they have less stress. Like sometimes you will, you know,
Speaker 2: it'll it'll be you'll have a range and maybe you'll
Speaker 2: take the low end of said range because there's other
Speaker 2: things that come with it that are just really valuable
Speaker 2: to you that you know, means more than the monetary
Speaker 2: side of it. I mean, that's that's life with a
Speaker 2: lot of people, right Like people I bet right now
Speaker 2: know they could probably get a job making more money
Speaker 2: doing something different, but it wouldn't be that big of
Speaker 2: a difference, and they're comfortable. Well, like if you're at Ohio,
Speaker 2: think about the ceiling you have to make money through
Speaker 2: nil compared to the ceiling you would have at a
Speaker 2: place like Alabama. Like the expectation, and again it's hard
Speaker 2: to just all of a sudden overnight realize that you know,
Speaker 2: you really can't keep anybody that's worth a certain amount
Speaker 2: because you can't pay them. But like most people wouldn't do,
Speaker 2: Like you would never expect somebody to just okay, I'll
Speaker 2: stay here because you know, because you can keep in mind,
Speaker 2: if you're not going pro in the NBA and you're
Speaker 2: not like a guy that could potentially play the game
Speaker 2: for a decade at the highest level in Europe, the
Speaker 2: money you can make in college is life changing for you.
Speaker 2: So when I say I'm torn, I do feel for
Speaker 2: fans that literally this changes everything for them. But also
Speaker 2: like you being mad about it, again, it's got to
Speaker 2: be a tough spot from an emotional standpoint as a fan,
Speaker 2: because let me just give me an example. The San
Speaker 2: Diego State team that went to the championship two years ago,
Speaker 2: Like that may be the best example of how Hey,
Speaker 2: it's not just the mid majors in the MAC or
Speaker 2: the Swack or the Missouri Valley. You can be in
Speaker 2: the Mountain West, Hell, you can be you can be
Speaker 2: in like the Big twelve maybe or the Big East,
Speaker 2: certainly the Big East. And if you don't have the
Speaker 2: right money, like you're gonna lose players. Yeah, they're making
Speaker 2: some money, but they can make a lot more elsewhere
Speaker 2: and they know that, and them choosing not to do
Speaker 2: it would just be a gift to you as a
Speaker 2: fan in your program. So San Diego State, I mean again,
Speaker 2: they made the championship game two years ago, and the
Speaker 2: starting five that championship game has all they all left.
Speaker 2: Some stuck around for longer than others, like Lamont Butler
Speaker 2: stayed one more year. Now he's at Kentucky. He's in
Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen. Kashaw Johnson left and went to Arizona.
Speaker 4: You've got.
Speaker 2: And by the way, they just got. Like Nick Boyd
Speaker 2: who played at FAU for their I think he was
Speaker 2: a freshman on their team that went to the final
Speaker 2: four FAU. He transferred to San Diego State. Well, now
Speaker 2: he's in the portal as a is a guy that
Speaker 2: was the leading scorer for San Diego State this year.
Speaker 2: So he's gonna he us San Diego State for a year,
Speaker 2: got some money, and now he's jumping trying. He's probably
Speaker 2: gonna try to jump up again. They have a guy
Speaker 2: named Magoon Gwoth who is the newcomer of the Year
Speaker 2: in the Mountain West and no star recruit who has
Speaker 2: a lot of potential. He at the Portla yesterday. So
Speaker 2: you've got a coach like Brian Dutcher who clearly gets
Speaker 2: guys that not everybody else wants, recruits them, develops them,
Speaker 2: and then he loses them, and you know, he took
Speaker 2: what he built to a championship game and then it all,
Speaker 2: you know, was gone and he continued. You know, now
Speaker 2: he's trying to build back up to get there, and
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's unable to even keep guys around
Speaker 2: because even without runs to the Final four or the
Speaker 2: national championship game, they're still doing enough to basically use
Speaker 2: that level San Diego State to then jump up and
Speaker 2: go elsewhere, and like that's just that's now where you
Speaker 2: exist within college basketball, which he does suck, but I also,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm gonna read for you, this
Speaker 2: is a this is the San Diego State. It's not
Speaker 2: an NIL collective because I get the logo is similar,
Speaker 2: but there's a there's a San Diego State nil collective
Speaker 2: Twitter account that has their coach, Brian Dutcher, basically begging
Speaker 2: for people to donate money for ANIL and I mean
Speaker 2: it's kind of sad, but like it's what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: They apparently have somebody that's willing to do like a
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars match that kind of stuff, so
Speaker 2: they're trying. But this is a this is a fan
Speaker 2: account it's called as tech tracker. It says pay to play,
Speaker 2: no transfer set out years, zero INCAA regulations, back alley negotiations,
Speaker 2: fake agent operatives, contacting players mid season, luring them away.
Speaker 2: College basketball is no longer the beautiful game. It's a cutthroat,
Speaker 2: backstabbing hell hole between the haves and have nots. So
Speaker 2: that's one emotional side of it to where that's a
Speaker 2: fan going through it coping pretty, you know pretty. It's
Speaker 2: a hard cope there from that person who clearly realizes
Speaker 2: the likelihood of us ever really having sustainable success in
Speaker 2: college basketball. It just seems hard because you've got to
Speaker 2: have money. So that's a really tough place to be
Speaker 2: as a fan. But who are you mad at? Because
Speaker 2: here's where I would feel the ultimate If I was
Speaker 2: a San Diego State fan, I would feel helpless because
Speaker 2: I wouldn't you know, what do you do? But I
Speaker 2: wouldn't really know who to be mad at because.
Speaker 4: The system is what it is.
Speaker 2: Do you want players to not be able to make money?
Speaker 2: Because that's never happening again never. I mean that's why
Speaker 2: the settlement took place, to where they told the instable, a, yeah,
Speaker 2: what you did for you know? Generations really illegal. You
Speaker 2: got a billion dollar business that is you know, the
Speaker 2: ntuablea tournament alone, and these guys get free school, they
Speaker 2: get stipend, they're not going without. They're taken care of.
Speaker 2: But look at what is like, you know, you got
Speaker 2: these guys are actually the show that is helping you
Speaker 2: generate the billion dollar that the billions of dollars that
Speaker 2: you get from the n douablea tournament like them, not
Speaker 2: getting at least a revenue share of that is illegal.
Speaker 2: So that's why we're here. So again, take the thought
Speaker 2: out of your mind. And it's hard to do, I
Speaker 2: guess because in the previous world, where players couldn't get
Speaker 2: paid and they couldn't leave, they were stuck with you. Well,
Speaker 2: now they have power, they have freedom, they can do
Speaker 2: whatever they want, like most of us in the world,
Speaker 2: who can just you know, go quit a job, go elsewhere. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's just a harsh transition for some, including programs
Speaker 2: like San Diego State.
Speaker 4: And I get.
Speaker 2: The frustration, but like, who are you mad at if
Speaker 2: you're med at the ns doable A. I guess you
Speaker 2: could be mad at them for I guess not having
Speaker 2: any ability to enforce anything. But I know there's some
Speaker 2: that just won't accept this, but think about it, like
Speaker 2: if a guy can or a guy or girl can
Speaker 2: transfer and be in the band without sitting out, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't or why why would a football player or a
Speaker 2: basketball player have sit out? Like that's one of those
Speaker 2: things that like, I you know, I get it, Like
Speaker 2: it's crazy. They have all the power and it's hard
Speaker 2: for coaches. But let's just talk about like right or wrong.
Speaker 2: Why should a citizen not be able to just decide
Speaker 2: where they want to go to school and play without
Speaker 2: sitting out? Like there's just no, there's no there's no
Speaker 2: reason for it to. It all just comes down to
Speaker 2: because it makes it difficult. It's hectic. Coaches would have
Speaker 2: to you know, it's just harder. Yeah, all that's true,
Speaker 2: But we're talking about right or wrong. Why would a
Speaker 2: player a nineteen year old, twenty year old not be
Speaker 2: able to just decide where they want to go to
Speaker 2: school and play. So what would really get me is
Speaker 2: just not knowing who to be angry at. I just
Speaker 2: think it was a certain way for so long, and
Speaker 2: it was really again an archaic model, the amateurism model,
Speaker 2: and it got body bag toe tagged, it's dead and
Speaker 2: gone and everything is so different now. And as it
Speaker 2: plays out here in the early stages, it is the
Speaker 2: haves and have nots and fans really are helpless. But like,
Speaker 2: if your school wants to be good and they want
Speaker 2: to compete at a high level, they've got to find
Speaker 2: a way to get money. Easier said than done, right.
Speaker 2: Everybody wish is they could just find an easy way,
Speaker 2: but like you have to invest in a team, really
Speaker 2: maybe a department that is just out there to raise funds.
Speaker 2: And that's why you have the collectives and they're important,
Speaker 2: they matter. Like Louisville has a great collective. That's why
Speaker 2: they are believed to have a really big bank roll
Speaker 2: to go build a roster, or because Louisville. I think
Speaker 2: what happened is Louisville prioritizes basketball in a major way.
Speaker 2: Well we've always known that, but I think, just just
Speaker 2: a hunch, the reason you're seeing the report from A
Speaker 2: three Sports that Louisville has apparently eight million dollars to
Speaker 2: spend on their basketball roster is because I think everybody
Speaker 2: saw in the last two years combined the last year
Speaker 2: of Kenny, first year of Pat Kelcey. It's not that
Speaker 2: we didn't know this, but we saw it firsthand. We
Speaker 2: experienced it firsthand. Everything around here is not as good
Speaker 2: and valuable business life like louis basketball needs to be
Speaker 2: prioritized not only by the school but by the city.
Speaker 2: So when Louisville basketball is good and it's it's it's
Speaker 2: something people want to be a part of, want to
Speaker 2: go to games, They want to go watch games at businesses,
Speaker 2: at sports bars, that kind of stuff. Like I think
Speaker 2: if there's I mean, I know football is always going
Speaker 2: to matter a lot as well because it's the biggest
Speaker 2: payday you get when you open up your stadium and
Speaker 2: let fans come in. And obviously the TV deals with
Speaker 2: the with the networks and the football like that's what
Speaker 2: really pays the bills. But if there's ever like a
Speaker 2: moment where Louisville Athletics or maybe the city as a whole,
Speaker 2: as far as you know, those who want to give
Speaker 2: money to NIL collectives to pay players because they want
Speaker 2: to support and they want it to be good. Like
Speaker 2: if we got down to where okay, you can only
Speaker 2: you only got this money, and it's got to go here.
Speaker 2: It needs to go to basketball I mean, I know
Speaker 2: football matters, trust me, I'm not trying to act like
Speaker 2: it doesn't. But this city's rare. Man, when Louisville basketball,
Speaker 2: I mean you you couldn't go get a seat anywhere
Speaker 2: last Thursday at noon in Louisville. And it's because Louisll
Speaker 2: was playing, right, the tournament's always gonna have people coming
Speaker 2: to watch it, but like it was different because Louisville
Speaker 2: was back a part of it. And I just think
Speaker 2: that you now know that, hey, you're gonna get what
Speaker 2: you pay for in every aspect.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: They're putting a new deal together together for Kelsey, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: and that's because you got to keep him here because
Speaker 2: you've got to keep this rolling, and you've got to
Speaker 2: round up money to pay these players to come here
Speaker 2: because Louisville basketball it needs to be good for everything
Speaker 2: else to work. I mean, you could still have success elsewhere,
Speaker 2: but like louis of basketball, we saw three years really
Speaker 2: of it just being something we hope to never see
Speaker 2: and then this year to kind of see that resurgence.
Speaker 2: And I know we still didn't have sellouts and that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but each game, the attendance grew, the energy,
Speaker 2: grew and we made a huge, huge jump in year
Speaker 2: one as far as getting back to where we want
Speaker 2: to be, and I think that was evident. Therefore not
Speaker 2: a huge shock to see that the money's there. I
Speaker 2: do feel bad because I that, you know, like whenever
Speaker 2: I seek fans complaining about college sports being terrible because
Speaker 2: of you know, you got to have money. I mean again,
Speaker 2: you gotta have money in every aspect of life. College
Speaker 2: sports was the pure thing that I guess didn't involve
Speaker 2: money that made it to where you could, you know,
Speaker 2: escape reality of the real world. But now here we
Speaker 2: are money matters. You got to pay to get players,
Speaker 2: and you know some can and that sucks. Does it
Speaker 2: mean to respond to the people with this Austin?
Speaker 4: How the money off the poor people around?
Speaker 3: What's your procrast?
Speaker 4: I saw that on Twitter?
Speaker 2: Is that pretty cool?
Speaker 4: It was great? I literally was just scrolling and saw that.
Speaker 2: Sorry, anyways, we'll take a quick break. We'll come back
Speaker 2: on the other side. If you are a sports better
Speaker 2: I got to know what you would do with this
Speaker 2: insane cash or hedge decision that one better has where
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money that he could have right now,
Speaker 2: but even more money if Duke wins the national championship.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it on the other side right here
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Speaker 2: to any He just didn't want to be labeled. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it was a smart move for him because it was
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm sure he's still got criticism, and
Speaker 2: everybody gets criticism when you're that level of famous and
Speaker 2: that successful, but it was something that stood out to
Speaker 2: me is at that time it was a really big
Speaker 2: deal in him turning it down. I didn't know was
Speaker 2: he'd be in a snob but he just said, look,
Speaker 2: appreciate the honor, but I don't want any I don't
Speaker 2: want I want to do as much as I can
Speaker 2: throughout my career as an artist to not be specifically
Speaker 2: thought of in one in one genre, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And you know he was, Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: more popped than anything. But like and he's you know,
Speaker 2: there's a there's there's some that have come from I
Speaker 2: guess his background where you know, he's not somebody who
Speaker 2: has maybe the same story, the same background as a
Speaker 2: lot of people who've become super successful in the world
Speaker 2: of hip hop. But though in those people who you know,
Speaker 2: I guess, maybe portray something that they're not in order
Speaker 2: to really get big in that world. They're called culture
Speaker 2: of culture vultures the stuff. For me to say, I
Speaker 2: think he had a good radar for that to where
Speaker 2: he was at all times going to not try to like,
Speaker 2: you know, go there to where he could be accused
Speaker 2: of just trying to maybe be something that he's not
Speaker 2: in order to you know, take over a certain industry
Speaker 2: or something. But yeah, I mean again, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's cool and what's not anymore. But I've always felt
Speaker 2: like he's really talented. Yeah, and I'm a fan. He's
Speaker 2: done the rock thing.
Speaker 5: He did like a track with Ozzy Osbourne and my god,
Speaker 5: he auto tune that one to death, cause you have
Speaker 5: to with Ozzy oh gosh, like that one was still
Speaker 5: a good song. And then obviously he's dipped in his
Speaker 5: toe into the country music side. And I was actually
Speaker 5: expecting him fro Bourbon and beyond this year because I
Speaker 5: know that, you know, he's it's it's the new gimmick,
Speaker 5: right that he's doing. And he just released a country
Speaker 5: album that maybe he would do some do some tours,
Speaker 5: but he still hasn't. He's he's kind of like joining
Speaker 5: people like Morgemall and and stuff, I mean post Alone
Speaker 5: and Luke Combs. It and something that I knew I
Speaker 5: needed until I got it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love some Luke Combs too. See the
Speaker 2: same here, same here, good stuff.
Speaker 4: And you know post Malone's name is Austin.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like Austin Posts.
Speaker 2: I knew that he he comes from a family, uh
Speaker 2: and well, and I think it's just his dad, but
Speaker 2: his dad has worked for the Dallas Cowboys for like decades.
Speaker 2: Is like not a front office guy, like within the roster,
Speaker 2: but like I think he's like he's in charge of
Speaker 2: like the marketing ticket ticket stuff.
Speaker 4: So that's pretty cool. Yeah, he explains his fandom.
Speaker 2: I guess I remember being in of all places, I
Speaker 2: was in Phoenix, Arizona where you used to live, Arizona, Phoenix,
Speaker 2: and I remember I was I was on a work trip.
Speaker 2: This is so many years ago, and at the time,
Speaker 2: SoundCloud had become a real big way for people to
Speaker 2: show and it may still be. But he posted not
Speaker 2: as big as it was White Iverson on SoundCloud like
Speaker 2: maybe three weeks prior to me realizing what it was,
Speaker 2: and it had already blown up at the time, and
Speaker 2: I remember like, I don't know what this is, but
Speaker 2: it's kind of awesome. And then sure enough, here he is.
Speaker 2: He's insanely famous, all right, it's Coffee and Company fuel
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Speaker 2: damn right, we are maybe trying to just transition and
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Speaker 2: You know, we're not famous, but we're having fun again.
Speaker 2: We're fueled by Thornton's. That's we got that going for us.
Speaker 2: So appreciate you hanging out. We got about twenty five
Speaker 2: minutes left here and I've never put together one of
Speaker 2: these wagers, but I want to it sounds fun where
Speaker 2: you go through and you just decide to guess who's
Speaker 2: gonna win the national championship in these college events as
Speaker 2: well as pro you know, pro sports, Super Bowl, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So there's somebody that has the ultimate
Speaker 2: cash out or ride scenario here. So this this guy
Speaker 2: put five dollars on Tennessee to win the World Series.
Speaker 4: That happened.
Speaker 2: That was plus six fifty. He put in the same
Speaker 2: pat Another leg here is the La Dodgers to win
Speaker 2: the college or to win the World Series plus three hundred.
Speaker 2: He got that Ohio State to win the national championship
Speaker 2: in football plus four fifty. And then his fourth leg
Speaker 2: was the Philadelphia Eagles to win the Super Bowl. That
Speaker 2: was plus sixteen hundred. So he has one leg left
Speaker 2: on this parlay, and that is for Duke to win
Speaker 2: the national championship. That is plus eleven hundred. So that
Speaker 2: five dollars wager if he cash is out now, will
Speaker 2: pay him fifty thousand dollars. Or he could let it
Speaker 2: ride and make one hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars instead.
Speaker 4: What would you do?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: To me, it's easy, but I want your thoughts first.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's panicing right now.
Speaker 2: I'd easily cash out, easily cash yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean you can't predict what the term because I
Speaker 5: know that's you know how much you say was a
Speaker 5: bet again, I'm sorry he only bet five bucks?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah? To cash out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because one, you're already getting an insane return on
Speaker 2: that investment, and again if if Duke wins it, you'd
Speaker 2: get an even bigger one. But I would cash out
Speaker 2: and really laugh at anybody who told me, like, let's
Speaker 2: say you cashed out and Duke did win, I would
Speaker 2: I would laugh at anybody who would try to clown
Speaker 2: me for cashing out. Right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you're still fifty gs.
Speaker 4: But and you could have lost it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lost all of it, Like that's what it
Speaker 2: comes down to.
Speaker 4: And I know that.
Speaker 2: You know we're talking about three times more when it
Speaker 2: you know, if it does, if you let it ride
Speaker 2: and it hits, and that's great, or you could have
Speaker 2: nothing like I'll tell you know, I will easily take
Speaker 2: five dollars invested to get fifty grand and know that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I could have got more. And I
Speaker 2: just don't even think if I lost. I'm sorry, let
Speaker 2: me back up. I don't think even if I took
Speaker 2: the cash out and then Duke won, I would feel
Speaker 2: any way, because I just would know that I put
Speaker 2: five dollars in and that was the right thing to do,
Speaker 2: and that risk to get nothing when you had fifty
Speaker 2: g sitting there off five dollars bet it's just a
Speaker 2: no brainer, right, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, imagine how terrible you'd feel afterwards letting it ride
Speaker 5: and then watching Duke like something happened. They fumble it
Speaker 5: down the down up. Because the tournament's so hard to produce.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, the best team often does not win, you know, right,
Speaker 2: So I mean I would easily cash out, And I
Speaker 2: say that probably a little bit more strongly than I
Speaker 2: would have a year ago, because I I don't, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't bet a lot of money on anything,
Speaker 2: right Like I now am betting more than I ever
Speaker 2: do because it's that time of year to where I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do my annual cash out once the college basketball
Speaker 2: season comes to an end. So when I've only got
Speaker 2: you know, a certain amount left to bet on, I
Speaker 2: find myself being a little bit more risky, not to
Speaker 2: the point where if I lose, I'm gonna have nothing
Speaker 2: to take out at the end of the season. But
Speaker 2: I've had this year specifically that I could have cashed
Speaker 2: out and I and I didn't, And more often than not,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you were stupid, Like you know, yeah, you
Speaker 2: could have got two hundred and fifty, but one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty was sitting right there, like it's just the
Speaker 2: safer considering I'm placing such like, you know, twenty bucks
Speaker 2: here or there. Like to me, it was just I
Speaker 2: feel like I've been burned enough by bye bye. I've
Speaker 2: been burned by being greedy and not realizing, hey, I
Speaker 2: should just cash out and move on. And usually if
Speaker 2: I do cash out, I want to I'll try to
Speaker 2: intentionally not find out what happened in the next one,
Speaker 2: because it would be a bummer to know that that
Speaker 2: you know, you were weak and you didn't let it ride.
Speaker 4: But I feel laser just so hard to hit exactly.
Speaker 2: If you're ever on the fence about cashing out of
Speaker 2: parlay when you've got a leg left, that'll give you
Speaker 2: more juice. Obviously, consider the numbers, and I don't have
Speaker 2: them in front of me, but I'm sure you've heard them,
Speaker 2: and they're easy to find and that is that. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're sucker bets right. The books love when you bet
Speaker 2: parlays because it's free money more often than not to them.
Speaker 2: So if you've already got them in a position to
Speaker 2: where where they're cashing you out, where you're still making
Speaker 2: a really good return on what you bet initially, you've
Speaker 2: already won. Like, if they're offering you a cash out,
Speaker 2: you've already beat them. Yeah, because they're offering you you know,
Speaker 2: they're allowing you to concede. Now, you could also bury
Speaker 2: them if it's a real big payday at the end,
Speaker 2: but the likelihood of that happening is insanely rare and
Speaker 2: I've learned the hard way when it comes to that.
Speaker 2: So again, think about it that way. If you have
Speaker 2: bet ten bucks on a five leg parlay and you
Speaker 2: got one leg riding or to completely cash, but they're
Speaker 2: offering you, you know, one hundred bucks, and again it
Speaker 2: all depends on what the odds were as far as
Speaker 2: what you put together for your parlay. Just know you've
Speaker 2: already beat them. And I feel like if you have
Speaker 2: that mindset, you can you can cash out and not
Speaker 2: look at it like I'm leaving money on the table.
Speaker 4: They got me.
Speaker 2: No, they've already they're offered to you to cash out.
Speaker 4: Is is them losing.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. And you know, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: tougher to do because you want to stick it to
Speaker 2: the books, right, you want to bury them. But there's
Speaker 2: a reason why they do a lot better than us
Speaker 2: in most instances. All right, real quick, before we get
Speaker 2: to our last break, some breaking news here. This is
Speaker 2: from a lot of folks, but I saw it here
Speaker 2: from our news team overt News Radio eight forty whas
Speaker 2: UFL's board of trustees. They planned to meet at five
Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow to discuss personnel matters. I would imagine that
Speaker 2: this will be a new contract for Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 4: Don't know that. I'm just guessing. Trust me.
Speaker 1: I have no.
Speaker 2: Sources or no information, but I would imagine that would
Speaker 2: be That would be what it is. Quick break, we'll
Speaker 2: come back and wrap it up on the other side.
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Speaker 2: So Kevin Willard, he is apparently in the driver's seat
Speaker 2: here to take the Villanova job if he wants it,
Speaker 2: And I don't think he wants it, but I think
Speaker 2: he wants Maryland to know that they've got to they
Speaker 2: gotta they got to get figured out to where he
Speaker 2: has more resources for men's basketball or he will leave.
Speaker 2: Now what I don't know is I mean I doubt
Speaker 2: he'd do something, or he could do something to where
Speaker 2: he would, like, you know, put himself in a position
Speaker 2: to where he ruins his gig at Maryland, because like Villanova,
Speaker 2: maybe they don't wait around, like maybe they realize, Okay,
Speaker 2: we get it, Kevin, You're you're in a spot here,
Speaker 2: but we got to make a move. We got to
Speaker 2: go build a roster we got to use the portal,
Speaker 2: So maybe they hire Richard Pattino instead of Kevin Willard,
Speaker 2: and then Kevin Willard. You know, Kevin, Kevin Willard has
Speaker 2: has really Like if I was Villanova, I would do
Speaker 2: my best right now to try to determine is he
Speaker 2: really interested or is he just using us to potentially
Speaker 2: get more from Rutgers or for Maryland. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: let's be honest. Maryland, Maryland doesn't he didn't have a
Speaker 2: boss right now. Maryland's ad just left to take that
Speaker 2: job at SMU. So this is just fascinating, at least
Speaker 2: to me. Maybe it isn't to you. But there's an
Speaker 2: interview Kevin Willard, did you know, just a couple of
Speaker 2: days before he has to play Florida? Or he is
Speaker 2: so bluntly speaking on things that a lot of coaches
Speaker 2: say for private conversations, but he is, you know, he's
Speaker 2: out in the open about it, and if anything, I
Speaker 2: can just appreciate the transparency. Here's Kevin Willard earlier in
Speaker 2: a radio interview in DC.
Speaker 3: A really good women's program with a phenomenal lacrosse soccer program.
Speaker 3: This is not him yet, you know, I don't want
Speaker 3: to take basketball. You know, there's schools out there that
Speaker 3: are going to be able to do things that we
Speaker 3: can't do. So I don't I don't want I don't
Speaker 3: want someone telling me, especially since I don't have an
Speaker 3: athletic director. I don't want someone telling me that we're
Speaker 3: going to do it. I want to put in my contract.
Speaker 3: I don't want people making decisions about my program who
Speaker 3: aren't involved in my program, that make decisions that affect
Speaker 3: my staff life, my life, but doesn't affect their life.
Speaker 3: So those are big ones for me because you know,
Speaker 3: I live it, breathe it every single day, and again,
Speaker 3: you know, I want I want this place to be
Speaker 3: the best as you know, this fan base expects that,
Speaker 3: but it you know, to be personally honest that hasn't
Speaker 3: been treated that way for a long time, and my
Speaker 3: goal is to get it there.
Speaker 2: So I think everything he said is reasonable. It's just
Speaker 2: not something you hear coaches ever say publicly, especially when
Speaker 2: they're you know, two days away from potentially moving on
Speaker 2: to the Elite eight. But if you're Kevin Willard, like
Speaker 2: let's read the room here, do you think Villanova is
Speaker 2: in a better position than Maryland to give you what
Speaker 2: you need like they're not. Maryland is in the Big ten.
Speaker 2: That alone puts them in a different tax bracket. As
Speaker 2: far as resources, now, what is the real kicker here
Speaker 2: for him is that he's not only you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't just want to have conversations with people about what
Speaker 2: he's going to get as far as resources for his program.
Speaker 2: He wants it in the contract to where you know
Speaker 2: they if they break it, you know he can leave
Speaker 2: and no buyout. I mean, I don't know, so I
Speaker 2: don't know if that happens elsewhere, but wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: shock because there are coaches that have have complained about
Speaker 2: I was told this would happen and it didn't, so
Speaker 2: I doubt he leaves. I think he'll be Maryland's coach
Speaker 2: moving forward, because let's be honest, Maryland's a good job
Speaker 2: like Villanova. I mean, I don't know, we're in such
Speaker 2: a weird world. We're a weird world now to where
Speaker 2: Nova's got two championships in the last decade. But honestly,
Speaker 2: money matters in a major way, and they don't have
Speaker 2: that like Maryland does. And I just I think historically
Speaker 2: Villanova's a better job, much better job, but Maryland I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like that would be I mean, it would
Speaker 2: be foolish to leave Maryland for Nova. But if he
Speaker 2: thinks that what he's doing now is not sustainable, then
Speaker 2: maybe it would make sense to jump because he feels like, Hey,
Speaker 2: we had a good run here, but this I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't keep this going because we don't have the resource.
Speaker 4: We don't have to help.
Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for us. Appreciate you guys
Speaker 2: hanging out now. I'm gonna go watch the n I
Speaker 2: T because I got that n I T fever. We
Speaker 2: got Chattanooga Bradley tonight. We're taking Bradley minus three and
Speaker 2: a half. How about little North Texas Oklahoma State.
Speaker 4: What's the spread on that one?
Speaker 2: North Texas plus one? I kind of like it.
Speaker 4: What's that over under?
Speaker 2: Like one thirty six and a half?
Speaker 4: Give me under.
Speaker 2: I also like Illinois State minus six and a half
Speaker 2: against Incarnate Word. There you go, baby, who talks in
Speaker 2: it like us?
Speaker 4: Nobody?
Speaker 5: I felt like I bet on a lot Earlier in
Speaker 5: this basketball season. There were a few parlays that included
Speaker 5: incarnate Word that I'm pretty sure that won me money.
Speaker 2: So they're fresh in my brain, and that plus six
Speaker 2: that stuff you remember, is it not. Yeah, they're plus
Speaker 2: six and a half.
Speaker 4: Let's go, let's go incarnate word. Have a good night, everybody,