Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome into Thursday. It's time for total bases.
One series ended last night and it wasn't necessarily the
one I expected to end.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Blue Jays get it done, much to my dismay.
I had the Yankees, but I also had the Tigers,
who forced a game five, so it split for me.
Speaker 2: Yesterday.
Speaker 1: Brian Leonard, I think you might have hit a five
percent play yesterday.
Speaker 2: How was how was your day?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 3: I had the team total over in the first five
for Toronto, and I thought I was gonna win. At
the first inning they got they got a run, They
had a runner at third base with less than two out,
and I believe it was less than two out and
didn't get them in. Then I had to wait all
the way to the fifth inning and at the bottom
of the order for the Blue Jays, including the one
guy that Brandon talked about yesterday, had another huge day
for the Blue Jays. I didn't say who won, who
won the Player of the Do they do a player,
you know, the MVP of the series. But it should
have been handy yet like six eighty three, I take
in the series the third baseman.
Speaker 2: What about you? TV? How to Go yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went three and one. I had the Phillies.
We talked about it on the show. In divisional playoffs, Man,
nobody should be minus two hundred. Nobody h just they're
not the Miami Marlins, Man, they just aren't. But I
took them plus one and a half to be safe.
I was kind of surprised they won by a margin.
I figured they would lose by one, but they but
they they ended up winning, and I had I won
a couple of team total they think. I had the
Cubs first five over and I had the Mariners for
five over, So those were all good outs. Props are
so tricky in the playoffs. I had Nola, it was
eight and a half. I thought three innings, man, and
I talked about it on the show yesterday. Nola. Nola
had finished six innings in six out of seven of
his last starts, including a playoff start, so I was like,
I was just surprised they took him out so early.
But when when it's it could be your last game
of the season, you're willing to throw the kitchen sink,
and that's what they did. They ended up putting Rangers
Suarez in and and uh yeah, so I lost that one,
but yeah, three ones, all right, So that's how my
day went. I have a five percent played today. Congrats
to Brian on his five percent win. I know they're
kind of rare for him. So you had the over right.
Speaker 3: First first five over I asked, I had. I had
him on our parlay to pull a game over and
I was able to get there too, So yeah, just
a different way to play it. I I don't like
to uh to do that most of the time, but
I thought that was a good offensive game plan for
for Toronto, and the numbers I thought were really low,
So ain't it worked out that way? We've had a
lot of success twenty two on four and five star
plays and major League Baseball, and I think we won
five straight five percenters in baseball, so cannot complain at all.
And yeah, looking forward to today's games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had so the baseball gods have blessed us
with two games. Of course we could have had zero.
We could have had zero if the games went differently yesterday.
Both of the teams playing today needed needed a win
to extend the series. TV great call in the Phillies.
Let that's where we're going to start. The first game
of the day. So for me, like I unfortunately ruined
our parlay with with Dodgers, but I would say this
is the least for me personally, It's the least invested
I've been in any of the four series. I think
it's because you know, I over the weekend I talked
about wanting to find a spot to play the Dodgers.
Couldn't find that perfect spot. It ended up being the
spot to do. It was Game one. In Game two,
of course they come back for Game three. I gotta
be honest, I kind of that was That was the
series Brian Leonard that I figured would be done after yesterday.
It just I just didn't feel like the Phillies got
off the mat. Of course, you see Aaron Nola, I
had no faith in him whatsoever. And but credit to
and this is what I'll make this point every time
we do this show for the rest of the year.
Speaker 2: Regular season playoffs very different.
Speaker 1: Starting pitching, the way you might handicap a starting pitcher
in the regular season totally irrelevant. What Nola did in
the regular season irrelevant. If Zach Wheeler was on this team,
Aaron Nola might not be on this roster. He wouldn't
sniff a playoff start, so that didn't surprise me at all.
Props to the Phillies bringing in Ranger Suarez and he
pitched well, and you know they capitalized on their opportunity,
and suddenly these five game series, Brian, this is like
they can change on a dime. Suddenly we go two
to oher and it looks like they're dead and buried.
They get one win and now they're back with Christopher
Sanchez in a game that looks pretty even to me. So,
Phillies Dodgers, how are you seeing this one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this should be a good one. And the line
tells you that Glass now is going for the Dodgers.
Sanchez the lefty for Philadelphia. He's been their ace this
season and expect good things from him. Glass Now, when
pitching healthy, he's been very good, but he's had a
strange season. Glass right now is about a one twenty five.
We'll say one twenty five favorite here, seven and a
half to the over or you can get I see
a couple of eighths to the under out there, which
is pretty low for a Dodgers game. But we've got
two starters that are very good when they are on
Christopher Sanchez. Obviously is had a hell of a season
two point five ERA, three point oh two expected one
point oh six whip. Everything he does is league averager better,
and he's just a terrific pitcher. He's been great all
season long. I won't go over his numbers, but I
will say he only throws three pitches, and he throws
the sinkers changing a slider. If he adds another pitch
in the offseason, and that's probably what they'll do. I
think he can get to the next level if he
has at least one more pitch where he can keep
people off. At this point, when you throw your cinker
almost half the time, people can look for. Certain things
has changed. He does very well thirty seven percent of
the time and slider seventeen. But he's he's been terrific
all season long, and I expect nothing more than that here.
He's been very good. Tyler Glass now three point one
nine ERA, three point twenty five expected one point one
oh whip, still has problems. He can't get the chase rate.
He's first in baseball, a first percentile in baseball with
a chase rate that is a concern, and his walk
grade is seventh percentile, so you would have as much
as I like Glass now in his career at three
point seventy four ERA at one point one five whip
shows that he's very good. The pitching edge, I think
is with Philadelphia in this one. And when you look
at Philadelphia's bullpen, they did some players yesterday, but you know,
Kirkering eleven pitches, Banks one, Walker, and Suarez as far
as obviously the starter went seventy two pitches, but Walker
eighteen another starter, so they're really set up very well
in the bullpen, so they should be able to throw
everybody out there. From the Dodgers standpoint, from their bullpen
also trying to pitch ten again, I don't know why
they I'll leave it at that. I don't know why
they continue to pitch him, but Dryer bound and even
Kershaw got in the game yesterday, so they should be
pretty set on bullpens too. Even though the line is low,
it's seven and a half. That would be the way
I would look at this with the intensity of the
game with Philadelphia having to win to continue on. As
much as I like the hitters on both these teams,
the pitchers line up very well right here. So you
get that under eight for minus one thirteen. Certain places
out there, I see heritage. He's got it right now.
That would be the way that I would look in
this one. I'm not a nothing's jumping on me in
baseball today. I may end up passing, but I'm gonna
give that Philadelphia Dodgers game a look at The under
is probably the only way I'm gonna look at this game.
Speaker 4: Quick crypt promo, guys, wager talk. Lets us put out
our MLB plays at nine dollars. Anything less than a
five percent play will go out for nine dollars. I
have a five percent play up today, but it's at
regular price. And let me put a nail in the
Yankees coffin here. A lot of comments here. I've been
critical of Judge. I don't think he's overrated. He is
a generational talent, no doubt about it. But the fact is,
in these playoffs, despite all of his hits, only one
of the games he made a difference in the score.
So he got a lot of hits when they were
down thirteen to nothing, So I really don't count those. Sorry,
that's my opinion. I think I think he's he he
I think the Yankees just we're a bad team, dropped
the ball too much, unreliable pictures, and that's that was
the Yankees' fate. So they're gone. So fortunately we don't
have to hear about the historical, historically great Yankees onto
this game. Two really good pictures I have. I have
Sanchez ranked number three out of every starting picture. That's
like two hundred and fifty guys. I haven't ranked number
three on the season. But like Brian said, playoffs are different.
The playoffs are a different animal. Or was it Adam
that said that, We all know that though playoffs are
a different animal. But Sanchez, Sanchez has good numbers against
these batters, but they're not great numbers, they're just kind
of good. What does he have here. He's got a
two forty four average against and a six ninety one OPS.
So those are both numbers that I would consider slightly
below the Mendoza line, which are which is good for
a picture and glass now also slightly below Mendoza line
numbers two forty six average against in the seven to
forty one ohs, So those are both low. It's really
hard to take an under. It's really hard to take
an under here because These are two of the best
lineups in in baseball, and the Dodgers probably have the
best six, seven, eight nine now that Will Smith is
back Edmund actually hit a home run yesterday, which I
wasn't expecting. But the I'm never going to take an
under with these two lineups. I just can't do it.
The bullpen's also slightly unreliable, although the Dodgers got some
improvements since the playoff came and the Sasaki's out there.
But you can always rely or you never feel easy
when you take a Dodgers under, or even Dodgers on
the money line in a tight game, because the manager
just makes dumb decisions like he did the other night
putting Trining in. I don't blame him for putting him
in last night, but the night before that in a
really tight game, tight situation, not a good decision, So
you're always on pins and needles. I don't know which
way to go in this one, to be honest, And
let me make a comment on Otani. You guys are saying, oh,
Judge is bad, but Otani's great. Otani's struggling a little bit,
But what's judges era and how many strikeouts has he
thrown this season. Just tell me that Otani is just
a different animal. He's a unicorn. I think he'll I
don't think his pressure or anything. It just batters go
up and down, and he's just down right now. He
has hit a home run in the playoffs. But yeah,
Otani's a little cold. Despite him being cold, the Dodgers
are still in the driver's seat. So just imagine if
Otani gets hot, how dominant they will be. I can't
pick a side in this one, though, and I can't
pick an over under. So that's my long winded way
of saying I don't know in this game. Sorry, I'm
just one.
Speaker 3: Comment about he hasn't had to pitch last year, which
is why he had such a terrific season. Now he's
got the time that he would be using in the
batty cage. He's got to worry about pitching now. So yes,
offensively it's a step back, but still the advantages of
him being the starting pitcher and he's a very good
one or something that we just haven't seen. And he's,
like you said, he's a generational talent. And from the
judge standpoint, who would have been the Yankees MVP for hitters?
In the in the playoffs so far, would have been judging.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I've got pulled up.
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Judge hit five hundred and twelve seventy
three ops in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, incredible. Yeah, the rest of the team
was awful.
Speaker 1: That there's not another guy on that team that had
a decent playoffs Maybe Paul Gold. Paul would have been
like your next best and he was like in a
in a borderline platoon, right, like because they were, you know,
kind of flipping him in rice around sometimes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the boone awful. Gonna have to move on
from him.
Speaker 1: Why did Jackson Domingia is not getting at that until
the ninth inning last night, right, I mean, of course
he comes up hits a bullet, but but they want
to force Austin Wells out there and vulpiece of a disaster.
Speaker 2: He's going to keep that seat warm.
Speaker 1: Uh, for our guy George Lombard and then they can
send him to the moon as well. Yeah, the Yankees
are awful. You're right, that's that's an overrated team. But
let's not slander Aaron Judge on this show. He's the
best player in the Weekue it's not Closelayer, Yeah, Otani
and Judge, it's it's there's no one else in the
conversation right now, but none of us. Who else do
you put in the conversation? Who else would be on
the same stratosphere as A Yeah, he's had a trumper.
Speaker 4: Swarver next level down maybe, but yeah, none of Judges
hits madded except the last game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's it's irrelevant because it's not
irrelevant though, because this is a betting show and that
doesn't really help us cash tickets.
Speaker 2: So let's get back to this game.
Speaker 1: Uh, they'll only like again, I'll go back to the
the beginning of the handicap here. This series, for me personally,
just the least I've been invested in any of the four.
I doubt I'll have a bet here. I think I
agree with with TV in the respect that I'd love
to somehow get money on Christopher Sanchez. I don't know
if I want to do it in the context of
needing a Phillies full game win. But when I look
at the two starting pitchers, so I don't know if
this is a plus or a positive or negative, but like,
they really struggle. They struggled with Suarez yesterday, so that
wrinkle of bringing in ranger Suarez after Nola seemed to
quiet the Dodgers offense down a little bit. Now Christopher
Sanchez is is like a far better sort of version
of of Swarz and lot of ways where it's like,
you know, they they you're gonna get the lefty, which
maybe the Dodger struggled with. Now having Will Smith back
helps them a ton against left handed pitching. But I
have more faith than Suarez than Glass now right now.
So outside of that, I'm with you TV. It's a
it's it's splitting hairs between these two teams. But Glass
now this year, of course, he's another guy that had
to come off of injury when he hasn't had his command.
It's it's not been great, like he's put guys on,
you know. The the fact that he doesn't get a
ton of swing and miss out of the zone is
a little bit concerning.
Speaker 2: And then again it's not to me.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a concern over the in the context
of like a regular season start, but when you're in
the playoffs and everything's magnified, I think Christopher Sanchez is
the is the starter.
Speaker 2: I would prefer here.
Speaker 1: So I say, maybe like Christopher Sanchez props, whatever props
are correlated to him, maybe a Phillies first five. I
didn't even look at that. What can you let me
check the price on like Phillies first five? Uh, are
they going to give you the half run?
Speaker 2: Or no? Are they?
Speaker 1: Are they giving you the half run at like anything
reasonable here should have looked before we were doing the show,
but we got time.
Speaker 3: There's only two Well, you can get Philadelphia with just
straight up and one. Ten is the best number out
there right now at the soft point.
Speaker 1: But now they are I mean you can get you
can get that half a run for minus one thirty
maybe minus one thirty five. It looks like I'm not
saying that that's like the best bet in the world
from a price standpoint, but I could see them at
least holding Serve through the first five innings. Glass now
Suarez here, and I don't know which bullpen gives it up.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, it's a tough game.
Speaker 1: I likely won't have a play, but I think there
is some value in Christopher sanchez stuff first five. Maybe
an out over This is one where I could see
him kind of it being his game to an extent,
I think he is one of the type of one
of the guys that maybe has earned the right a
little bit here, especially knowing that they're going to have
a Game five coming up, So that would be how
I would play it. Okay, anyone else have because we
have the time. Does anyone have anything to add on
Philly Dodgers before we move on here?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: All right, heading to the night game, heading to Wrigley Field.
This one we've got, I guess a little bit of
unknown with what the teams are going to do here.
Speaker 2: Brian Leonard.
Speaker 1: Do we have official pitching announcements for either of these
two teams yet?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it it. There's been talk about bringing
some guys back short on rest, and I don't like that,
so I for this one, I don't see anything right
now from a bullpen standpoint. Milwaukee's bullpen and looks like
they're a pretty good shape. Let me take a look
at the Cubs.
Speaker 4: I read, but I don't know how we eyable what
I read was, but it's looking like the Brewers there's
a possibility they'll start par Alta in four days rest
and it's also possible that the Cubs will start Boyds,
so but that's not set by any means. I would
agree with Milwaukee starting par Alta, but we'll get to
that in a minute. I guess I don't know if
they will or not. But Milwaukee's bullpen sure has been
hot as hell, haven't.
Speaker 3: They just looks really good here. But the Cup bullpen,
the Cubs used all their best relievers yesterday Polentia fifteen,
kitch Rich eighteen, Keller nineteen, Phil Borrow eleven, and Palmeranch fifteen.
Now they didn't pitch the game before that or the
day before that, but I would think having to use
those guys gives Milwaukee a little bit of an edge
in the bullpen. And if it is the picture that
you had mentioned, I think that's an edge for Milwaukee
because as I've talked about the situation with the Cubs
with with Boyd, he's running out of gas. It's clear
that he's running out of gas, and they keep bringing
him in here on short that's just a disaster waiting
to happen. They should have kept more starters on their
on their playoff roster. If he does pitch, they may
only pitch him at any or two. So you know,
at the current line right now, we're looking at Milwaukee
about you know about a one fifteen favorite total of seven.
Based on that, if we do get those two starting pitchers,
I think Milwaukee has an advantage here. But without the
knowledge of that, knowing who's going to go, I can't
make a major comment. But like I said, the other
one of these games jumping out of me today, so
I'll likely pass on this one.
Speaker 4: This could be a short show. Let me let me
just expound a little bit on what I was saying.
I think I agree with Brian. The Cubs bullpens a
little bit spent. Milwaukee's bull has been hot. If if
Milwaukee starts praulta, I think they have a huge advantage.
He held him down pretty good in his last start
against him. Boyd was yanked after two outs against the
Brewers his last start, and he gave up six runs
against them in a start earlier. I think in July
July twenty ninth or so around there are was it, yeah, July,
So you know, I mean, I don't some people in
the comments are saying the Brewers are just toying with
the Cubs. Now, I don't think that's the case. The
Cubs are a good team. Look when you get to
the divisional series, nobody is the White Sox here. Every
team is good, every team can win. No team at
all should be a minus two hundred at this point
in the season, even if you have Nolan Ryan against
I don't know who am I trying to think of.
That that fat guy from Aruba. What was his name
of pitch for the Orioles. You know who I'm talking about. God,
I can't remember his name. He's like the worst picture
I ever saw, big fat guy from Aruba. It pitched
for the and then he went to the Yankees about
twenty years ago. You guys don't know what I'm talking about, Okay, anyways,
not Bartolo Colon. It was a big white guy from Aruba. Anyways,
out the name will come to me in a minute.
But even in that situation, you shouldn't be a minus
two hundred. So I think Milwaukee has a huge advantage here.
Sidney Ponson, thank you, TESSI Yes, Sidney Ponson is the
guy I was thinking of exactly. Anyways, I think the
Brewers have an advantage here, But the Cubs are going
to be back to the wall. Now, I am not
as much of a situational capper as like a guy
like Marco, So I don't think back to the wall
really means that much at this point, because when you're
out there trying to hit a ball, you're not thinking, oh,
my team's down three to one, I better hit this
harder than I did yesterday. You're not thinking like that.
You're just thinking, I have to hit the ball. You
have a ceiling of a limited ability, and every player does,
and you do your best to hit the ball on
a certain day. So I'm not much of that back
against the wall kind of thing. I think that works
in college sports, but I don't think that really works
in pro sports. That's just my opinion. So I think
the Brewers have a big advantage here. Their team totals
three point five. I think that's a little light. The
only thing that concerns me is they're on the road.
But Hubbs Bullpens a little spent. Maybe a Brewers team
total might be a way to go here. Three and
a half seems a little light to me.
Speaker 1: So the problem, I guess the problem. It's not a
bad problem to have. The Brewers are up to one
in this series, but like to me, it's clear that
it's going to be Matthew Boyd for the Cubs. He'll
be on normal He threw thirty pitches before they took
him out of that game on Saturday, So right, Saturday, Sunday, Money, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
it's its fifth day. He threw thirty pitches in his
last start. So regardless of what you the only reason
to not start Matthew Voyd here is is if you
have no confidence in Matthew Voyd, Like that would be
the reason not to start him. Not that he's on
short rest because he's not on short rest like the
guy that would be on short rest would be what
would be Well, I guess he's not even really on
short rest either because they had the extra day off.
Speaker 2: So that's that this will.
Speaker 1: Like right, it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, so
I'm pretty confident that's what you're gonna see for the matchup.
No one's on short rest because they had the extra
off day, so they played Saturday and they were the
game one starters. The National League had the off day
on Sunday because they want to spread out the games
and where they are on the TV. So Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
both starters are are on regular rest.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they wouldn't be the starter in
this game, Like why haven't has that not been announced yet?
Like no one's no one's pitching on short rest. That
was in my head. I was like, Oh, well they
pitched Sunday, but they have it. They pitched Saturday, it's Thursday.
That's uh right, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, it'll be
the fifth day. So why I I don't I don't
really get that whole go ahead.
Speaker 4: Quick comment in the article I read that said per
Alta could be a likely starter somehow. Now I don't
know how the actual math or how the calendar works out,
but they said if they save him for a possible
game five, then it works out perfectly for him to
start game one of the next series. Now I don't
know the math or the.
Speaker 2: There's no way that can't yeah, possible.
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure how it would be.
Speaker 2: It would be if he starts tonight.
Speaker 1: If he starts tonight, it might work out for him
to start game two. No, these these series are going
to start on like Sunday or Monday. There there's no like,
there's no like gap. This isn't the NBA.
Speaker 4: There no when they go right to the next They
didn't make a lot of sense when I read it.
But so anyways, Yeah, I think they should start him
today and just put the nail in the coffin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't understand what the like, why like why
you wouldn't start either of those guys unless you're sting
because again, like I the only thing I can think
of is the Brewers are sitting there like they would
theoretically they would be in a bullpen game in game
five if if Peralta doesn't get it done here, because
you're gonna probably be in the Ashby Miserski type set
up again like you were in game two. But like,
I don't know that that would be what are you
gonna do? Like, what are you gonna just go bullpen
game here? You probably couldn't use Miserroski the way you
would want to because he threw on Monday fifty some
odd pitches. So to me, it's a no brainer. I
think you're gonna see Peralta, boyd, I'm gonna I'm gonna
right now, I'm handicapping this game as if those two
are the starters.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're gonna see. I'm with you, Brian,
like Boyd hasn't been hasn't been as sharp second half,
but I mean I don't know that. Like, okay, So
here's the other thing. I think the Cubs might be
less committed to Boyd in this game, then the Brewers
will be to Peralta. So it's like, if you're the
Brewers and you're up to one in the series and
you know that Game five is gonna be essentially a
mix of like Ashby, because remember Woodruff I don't think
is on the roster at all. So so if you're
gonna go to Game five at home and you know
it's gonna be like Ashby, Misserroski, like I do think
the Brewers need to a little bit manage this game
with the back of their head being like, Okay, we
have to have all the big guns lined up the
way we want to for game five because we don't
really have a guy that like, we don't know exactly
who it's gonna be, right, So it's gonna be maybe
Ashby is the opener, Maybe Misserroski for three or four innings,
like to me, whereas like this game, it's like for
the Cubs, all right, we'll start with Matthew Boyd and
then we'll kind of go from there.
Speaker 2: We'll unload just to keep this going.
Speaker 1: They are at home, so really this to me, the
handicup cap is very like, how much do you trust
Freddie Peralta. He's been their ace. They just saw they
did just see him, So like that's the key here.
If the Cubs can get to Peralta, they probably wouldn't
this game because I don't think the Brewers would. I
think they'd be very careful with who they use after Paralta,
knowing that they're going to need like their best four
or five relievers to win Game five. That really creates
an interesting wrinkle in this game to me, the fact
that that's probably how it's gonna play out.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Brian, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Want to talk about the Cubs pitching situation. I agree.
I think Boyd will be on a less release here
and based on the way he's pitched, and you know,
the only other starters they've used is a Monaga who's
been terrible in a time on who who's actually been
pretty good for them coming down the stretch. But they
do have guys that have started in the past. They
have Soroka, Savally Ray, and Brown. Ray pitched sixty pitches
on Monday, so he won't be there. But you've got Soroka,
Savali and Brown who could come in and give you
give you some extended numbers. Wouldn't it be ironic if
Arisavali comes in, it shuts down his former team that
wouldn't let him start, and sends this game to the fifth,
fifth game of the series. That would be funny. It
would be great for Savali, not so great for the Browers,
but just an interesting way to look at this game.
Speaker 4: One interesting thing also about Peralta. He has great numbers
against the Cubs in his career, but his away numbers
quite a big dichotomy between his home and away. His
home numbers are just unreal, and he's away numbers are
like three seven e R not great. But you can
live with the three seven e RA if your hitters
are hitting the ball. Another thing about Boyd You mentioned
that the Cubs will probably have a short leash on him. Well,
he got two outs the last game before they took
him out, So he got pulled in the first inning.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, but that's because he was that's because
he was ineffective though, Yeah, that's because, Yeah.
Speaker 4: He gave up to two earned too earned. It's a
quick lease though, I mean to earned for a starter,
usually leave him in in the regular season. But yeah,
it's the playoffs. It's the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But I also think the Cubs.
Speaker 1: I also think the Cubs may maybe did that because
they knew they were going to be in this spot, right.
They had to, like because they knew they don't have
Kate Morgan, so they had to they had to think, like,
all right, the second I'm sure that was the game plan. Hey,
we fall behind a little bit here, we're just gonna
like I guarantee you that that was all discussed, and
it's like, okay, we we need to just.
Speaker 2: Make boyd our game for a starter.
Speaker 1: He only threw thirty pitchers, so he's you know, again,
both these are normal rest here, but pretty normal start
last time out. So again, like I I think, you know,
he shut he shut the Cubs down earlier this year.
Last time he faced him six innings, Well, the Cubs
got to him previously, so it's it's an interesting game.
Probably it is a tough sort of handicap because when
Peralta's on, he's an ace. The Cubs have seen him plenty,
which can help an offense, Like you see a guy enough,
you know, especially like the Cubs. A lineup like the Cubs,
like they can get to just about anyone they see,
they see repeatedly, and in these.
Speaker 2: Types of spots.
Speaker 1: I kind I think I like how this sets up
for the Cubs a little bit better just because they're
they're they're gonna be so quick to get away from
Boyd if they have to. Maybe creates a little bit
of a dynamic like you saw with the J's last night,
which sets which seemed to work for them. I'm not
saying it's gonna work here, but it could be a
similar mentality. It's an interesting bolt. What sucks Cubs didn't
have Horton. Yeah, I mean that was huge like that.
I kind of said it before these series. I didn't
think the Cubs could really win this series without Horton,
and I didn't think the Phillies could win their series
without Wheeler. Like there's dude starting pitching their unicorns these days,
like good starters, not.
Speaker 2: Many teams have them, and you need them in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You really do like you need to have a couple
of good starting pitchers that can go six seven innings
in the playoffs or it's tough to win a playoff series.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Brian, Yeah, I read an article that Kate horton,
if the Cubs continue on in the playoffs, he may
be available, which at one point I thought he was
completely out. So that's something to look forward to if
you're a Cubs fan. He may be back. Who knows
if he'll be fully healthy, but he gives them another
quality arm.
Speaker 4: And we're talking about how much of a unicorn it
is to have a good starting pitcher who can give
you five good innings. Otani can do that, and he
can be number two in MLB in home runs.
Speaker 2: So up with this?
Speaker 4: Otani is overrated? Complete BS talk in the chat.
Speaker 2: I don't know why anyone would call Otani or Judge.
Speaker 4: Over They say Alberto is better than Otani. I asked,
what's Albert Pujols's e r A. You know, seriously, come on,
was a great player, but just was a great hitter, absolutely, and.
Speaker 3: Not a good runner, especially elderly years.
Speaker 4: But I mean, if you want to talk who is
the best in their prime, I mean Mike Trout was
the best five tool player in his prime probably. I
mean he's one of them. You could go back to
the seventies. But I mean, stop saying Oti's overrated. Just
stop stop.
Speaker 1: Good uh good comment here from Steve. Yeah, PCA and
Tucker have good numbers against Paralta. That and that also
makes sense. I kind of like I thought Pa was
going to be the guy that really stepped up in
the playoffs for the Cubs, Like I felt like it
was was coming for him. I don't have his numbers
in front of me for the for like the playoffs
thus far. I know he's had a couple of big hits,
but you know, we could start going into you know,
maybe some props, like maybe a good day for a
for a PCA prop. He's only got a four fifty
four ops in the postseason.
Speaker 2: That's not very good.
Speaker 1: I feel like he is like Megadue for a big hit,
big spot. And so if he has decent numbers against Peralta,
maybe you get a they dropped him in the order
a little bit. Maybe you get a bargain on a
PCA prop. Maybe PCA goes yard tonight at Wrigley Rian.
What's our what's the weather looked like?
Speaker 3: At the winds blowing? I believe from left to right
or excuse me, let me make sure I checked that correctly.
Speaker 1: Left to right helps PC a a little bit. He
likes to put that ball in the right field seats,
so that could help him.
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go right to left. I'm sorry, going
right to help him. They expect twenty percent less runs
in this game, and then with the seven you can
see that that the wind's not blown out. The wind
is blown out a little bit of dot or stadium,
but they've only got a plus two or sent more runs.
But yeah, it's for myself. PCA was fantastic in the
first half. He's been pretty bad in the second half.
He continues to uh to swing and miss it, pitches
out of the strike. Soon he's got to make the
adjustment in the offseason. He needs to make the adjustment.
The pitchers have made it to him. And obviously he's
not the same player now as he was before. But
when he got that kind of speed, you're always going
to contribute to your team. But and he's a great
defensive player. But yeah, from a hitting standpoint, he needs
to make those adjustments to cut down on his strike
zone a little bit, be a little bit more selective,
and he can come back next year and play as
well as he did earlier.
Speaker 4: There's interesting thing about these two teams. As you would
think the Cubs are the uber talented lineup and Milwaukee
is just you know, guys who are out there, you know,
busting there, butt and squea and runs out. But actually
the Cubs or the Brewers actually have more hits than
the Cubs. They also have more runs than the Cubs.
The thing that the Cubs have a huge lead over
the Brewers in is home runs and slugging. So it
means the Cubs are a long ball team where the
Brewers are kind of a run manufacturing team. But man,
have they been doing it quite well? And who is it?
Terrang got the base stealer Terrang out there. But they
don't have a lot of sluggers, you know, in my opinion,
I mean.
Speaker 3: They don't have sluggers or some Philadelphia that the Yankees
and Philadelphia are the teams that hit a lot of
home runs and you know, don't do a whole lot
else And when it comes to playoffs and you're facing
the best of the best, it's hard hard to do that.
You've got to be able to manufacture runs, and that's
been the Yankees problem.
Speaker 4: It's funny, we see a lot of bunts in the
playoffs and you never see bunts in the regular season.
Speaker 3: Never, And that's the problem you run into. You got
to coach these guys up. You should always have somebody
on the team that teaches bunning and have them practice
that every week.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I don't think there's any question that
the better of these two teams of the Brewers, like
to me, like there's it's a it's not that close
in terms of like like like the better team is
Milwaukee all around, like if you were just to look
at like pretty much from every angle. But the thing is,
like these are two division rivals, They're not that far
apart get winning on a given day like that. That's
that's where the series becomes difficult for me, because I
think it's clear, like if I was just evaluating team
versus team, like Milwaukee's better, but these two teams have
now played this, this will I believe be there seventeenth
meeting of the year right. I think we get thirteen
regular season and then they've played now three times so
far this week. They know each other well that the
margin is between them is not that big, and that's
what makes it kind of a difficult handicap either way.
Like I could see either of these teams winning. I
do think the weather factors that Brian just pointed out
help the Brewers.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Paralta, I feel like, if you're gonna beat Peralta, you
gotta take him deep, Like that's kind of you know,
he's he's more of a fly ball pitcher. I feel
like you got to take him deep to really, like
you know, to beat him. And it's going to be
harder to do that if you know, the wind is
blowing right to left and it's blowing in. But that's
like going to be listen, this is gonna be the
tough part as we get deeper into the playoffs, there
is it's gonna be hard to find value.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard to find betting angles. You've got
really good team against really good team. So we'll do
our best to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But the I know, for me, like I've I've I've
had quite a bit of volume so far like more
than I expected. To this point in the playoffs, I
feel like my volume might start to thin out. It's
just you can make a case for both sides. I
feel like it's hard to bet that.
Speaker 4: So that's the problem with the playoffs is you got
it's like the Dodgers Phillies matchup. You know, you got
two uber talented lineups who can slug it hard. You
got two really good rotations and two poor bullpens. I
mean to me, the Dodgers and Phillies are almost like
a mirror of each other. The biggest difference would be
the six, seven, eight, nine hitters on the Dodgers have
a huge advantage, And actually I think the Phillies rotation
is a little better than the Dodger So it's really
a stalemate there. But this these two teams are not
mirrors of each other. The Brewers and Cubs are kind
of like opposites of each other. But the Brewers have
just I just I don't know how they did it. Honestly,
when I went on my rant before the All Star
break and said the Brewer season is done, They're cooked,
it couldn't have been more wrong. But I still now
looking at this team. I don't know how they're doing it.
It's not smoking mirrors though, because they've been doing it
consistently for a long time. I don't know how they're
doing it. I really don't.
Speaker 2: From a total standpoint.
Speaker 1: I think if you could get an eight in that
Phillies game, which is probably juiced at this point, that's
probably like maybe the best look on this slate here.
I think Brian mentioned that he liked the under in
that earlier game.
Speaker 2: But yeah, these are tough. These games are tough today.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope still doing the show at this
point is helpful, just us talking through and maybe it
gets you to look at something a certain way or
look at it differently. But that's kind of how these
these last few are gonna be. We probably won't go
even close to this long tomorrow, but we will be
on nine am Eastern to break to break down the
Tigers Mariners Game five, and we'll keep you know we're
with you right here through the World Series. We're obviously
trying to find winners as well. TB's got what he
loves tonight in some angle in one of these two games,
he's got a five per center and then any of
our plays the rest of the way that aren't five
percenters are nine bucks.
Speaker 2: So so check that out.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Brian Leonards got hockey going like the puck has dropped.
Uh car a lot of good hockey content on the site.
Admittedly I'm not a hockey guy, but I know Andrew
mckinnis started a new show, puck Time is Back. I've
always said like this was I wanted to have a
baseball show that kind of was like Puck Time and
what they did for hockey. So, uh that that's an
that's an o G show that I feel like. Puck
Time's been going on for like five years at this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I watching before I joined Wager Talk, I was
watching Puck Time. But you know what, there some the
football people are doing the End Zone Show live. Is
there any way we could do like a baseball live
show while watching baseball games. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think anyone would join, all right, I
got a lot of it's.
Speaker 3: They're doing all these things for football, and how do
you concentrate on the football games when you're listening to
other guys talk? That is the opposite of what I
want to do. I don't never want to be one
of those shows.
Speaker 5: I on Sports Grid for a while, Tony Tony and
I would fill in and try to do live and
it's they're talking and you can't pay attention and you
don't know who's coming up, and it's a complete waste
of time.
Speaker 3: Sorry. Sorry, I'm not interested in that. But I will
say time I will be on, and it's at eight
o'clock today. I will be on there on Thursdays, and
they do a terrific job. But no, no, I don't
want to be on one of those five things. I
gotta watch the game myself. I can't watch twelve games
at one time.
Speaker 2: No, I would. I would do it.
Speaker 1: I would do it for the NCAA tournament games if
like we were all together and the cameras were just
set up, like if I didn't have to be looking
at this nonsense back here, I'd probably do it, you
know what I'm saying. Like, but you're right, I've done
it a couple of times. It's very hard to concentrate.
But then again, the one pm slate is always hard
to concentrate anyway, like because it's like the NFL puts
way too many games on at the same time. So
you're already just like, wow, whatever, we'll just throw We'll
just throw red zone on and it's going to be
a ship show anyway. So why don't I why why
don't we just bs with six of our co workers
during the game. But uh yeah, I have zero interested
in doing that. For baseball, I need to be locked
I need to be locked in. I need to sound on.
I don't want to hear Tokyo Brandon. I don't want
to hear Brian. I want to hear fucking aj Prazinski
talk about whatever the hell he's going to talk about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. And baseball is all about matchups and
you can't really focus on the picture.
Speaker 5: Hitter matchups games in order to play some bad.
Speaker 4: That's kind of true. And baseball moves a little bit
slower than football. Yeah, sure, I got you, I got you. Okay, Well,
this will be our shortest show of the year so.
Speaker 2: Far, and shorter, I promise, probably.
Speaker 4: Even shorter, but we will be here to break it
down for you guys, and Brian will be in a
better mood, we promised.
Speaker 3: I got COVID shot yesterday, so I haven't been affected,
but my armhurts.
Speaker 4: Gotcha, gotcha? All right, Well we can close it out. Remember, guys,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck tonight.
Speaker 1: If you decided to get involved with these, keep an
eye on our pages and we'll see you guys.
Speaker 2: Nine am tomorrow to talk Mariners Tigers Game five