Speaker 1: This is Eric, one of Jason's old college roommates, and
you're listening to the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
Speaker 2: Over to you boys, Hello everybody, and welcome back to
the sure That You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
Speaker 3: We are here today for album number four of five
that we are covering from nineteen ninety four. We are
going to be talking about live Throwing Copper today. We
have previously covered Green Day Dookie, We've previously covered Bush
sixteen Stone, and we have previously covered Beezer the Blue Album,
and we still have Collective Soul of the Blue album
to cover on our next episode.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: We've had some great guest hosts, and we have another
great guest host today. Friend of the podcast, longtime listener,
longtime Patreon member, mister Brad Moore.
Speaker 4: How are you doing, Brad?
Speaker 5: I'm doing good, guys. How are you good? Man?
Speaker 1: How's life treating you down there in USA?
Speaker 5: I ran a rich dog. No, it's just good. I'm
glad to be back. Finally we're able to do one
of these again. Sorry, I had to flake out on
the Patreon episode when we did epic.
Speaker 1: That's all right, man, no problem, no problem.
Speaker 4: You're a working Man.
Speaker 3: So covering these albums from ninety four has led us
not only to pick these five albums, but Jason and
I just recently decided, once we're done with this, we're
going to do our top five of nineteen ninety four,
which I'm super excited about because this year was an
amazing year for music and it's a great opportunity to
be able to listen to these guys talk about the
albums that they made thirty years ago. And one of
the guys, you know, we just finished Bush sixteen Stone
and listening to Gavin Rossdale talk, you know, I had
it in my head that, you know, he's kind of
a pretty boy. He's just the most down to earth
friendly guy.
Speaker 4: In the world. Okay.
Speaker 3: And then the same thing with Live, I kind of
had this image in my head of Ed Kowalcik that was,
you know, he's kind of a stuck up intellectual guy.
I'm listening to him and he's just the most easy going,
friendly you know really yeah, I mean I just love it.
And then as he's talking, he's like, well, you know,
the interviewer is like, well, who have you met, you
know in the industry that you've bonded with and he's like, oh,
Gavin Rossdale and I have the best time in the world.
So these guys are actually friends, they're close friends. But
Gavin Rossdale, when I was listening to him talk, he said,
this wonderful thing.
Speaker 4: I wrote it down.
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention in our Bush episode, but he said,
there's only twelve notes. There's just an infinite way to
arrange them. From Mozart to Slipknot, they're all using the
same twelve notes. And I just thought that's exactly right.
And then listening to Ed Kowalchik talk, he was like,
ninety four was just one of those years where you
had all of these incredible albums, but they were all
very unique, like everything sounded different than everything else. And
he said, within just a few years after that everything
began to be homogenized and sound the same. And so
it was really this, I mean, ninety four was kind
of the beginning of the end of things being the
way we grew up with them for you know, the
twentieth century.
Speaker 1: I would agree that's that's kind of the last place
I planted my flag and the music world was ninety
four ninety five. Hey, by the way before we got started.
He was a little bit late to the podcast today.
Brad sent us a Texas said, Hey, we are talking
about three o'clock central, right, And I texted back and
I said, I alone at this moment.
Speaker 5: Good.
Speaker 4: That was good.
Speaker 3: It was only three oh five, by the way, and
I drove an hour.
Speaker 4: To get here.
Speaker 3: A little break here, Okay, So guys, tell me your
experience with this album. We talked about some of these
other albums, and I mentioned that Bush was the first
one that I had that album back in nineteen ninety
five and played it all the time. This is another
one that I had in ninety five and I played
it all the time. I loved this CD. I consider
it possibly top ten albums of all time. When we're
talking about albums that are flawless from beginning to end, wow,
you know, put Ten by Pearl Jam in there, put
Joshua Tree by you two in there. I mean, there
are are very few albums that have no skippers, no fillers,
just good, good music.
Speaker 1: From beginning to end. And to me, Throwing Copper is
one of those albums. Brad, what's your history with this one?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I had a roommate at the time.
I've only been in Louisi in a short time when
this album came out and his name was Spencer Calwell
and I walked in one day and he was playing
this album. He had gotten it. I don't know where
he heard it first, but I alone was playing. I'm like,
what is this and he's like, man, it's live. I'm
like live where, Like this is a live show? He said, no,
the band is called Live. This is phenomenal because yeah,
the whole album's like this. It's great. See, you got
to sit down and listen to it. I said, all right,
let's do it, and we listened to the whole thing
on that stereo. Right.
Speaker 1: There are Vegas speakers in the world.
Speaker 5: There are Sony speakers. I've had them since I was sixteen.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: Some of the components have changed. But I gave it
to my son body of turntable to go with it,
and it's still kicking. That thing is built to last.
Speaker 4: Fantastic nice.
Speaker 1: So for me, I knew the hits from this they
were unavoidable on radio, but this, this album took a
massive step forward to me. When a catastrophic event happened
in Oklahoma City in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will definitely talk about that.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: I want to hold that story until a little bit later.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this album was released April twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four.
This went eight times platinum in the US. April of
ninety four, we had a couple of people die. You
had Richard Nixon pass away in April of ninety four.
He was eighty one from a stroke. You also had
Kurt Cobain who took his own life in April of
ninety four. So a couple of significant deaths in April
of ninety four.
Speaker 3: Okay, first song out of the Gate is a song
I love called the damn at Otter Creek.
Speaker 7: When all you've looked it to you because your factor
what's been done. This is where sadness free.
Speaker 4: The sadness if you just cut the guys with the.
Speaker 5: Damn it all the creaking nor the world backed off
deep enough.
Speaker 4: Too, dum Okay.
Speaker 3: So before we started going on this one, I texted
Jason and I was like, Okay, I want you to
try to guess what my favorite track on this CD
is and he was like I alone. I was like, nope,
he's lightning crashes. I like, Nope, he's like selling the drama.
No is it damn it Otter Creek? Yes, damn at
Otter Creek is my favorite track on this whole CD,
and I love every song.
Speaker 5: Very hard to pick a favorite track on this CD.
Speaker 3: This one just has such a unique sound. The build
that they have at the beginning of this. I mean,
I have never been fortune to see live live, but
I can just imagine like the shadow silhouettes of these
guys moving across the stage as this builds and builds
at the beginning of this song.
Speaker 1: It's definitely like a concert kickoff song.
Speaker 4: Oh heck yeah.
Speaker 1: As the curtains still up, you hear the hum and
the guitar. By the way, that guitar riff, Chad Taylor
said that it came to him in a dream. He
also heard this like hum of power cables, and so
he had a little journal by his bed and he
rolled over and he wrote high tension power lines. So
apparently Otter Creek is a tributary of the Susquehanna River
in York, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Susquehanna River is a place where they would
I mean, they would literally make dams. They would make
these dams so that they could let the water build
up deep enough to dive. But what resulted, you know,
because these are just dumb kids doing this, is that
quite a few people died diving into these waters. So
you mentioned York, Pennsylvania. That is where these guys all
grew up. They met in middle school when they were
like thirteen years old. We got Ed Kawalchek on vocals
and rhythm guitar. We've got Chad Taylor on lead guitar
and backing vocals, Patrick Dahlheimer on bass, and Chad Gracie
on drums and backing vocals. But these guys all went
to middle school together. They all went to high school
at the William penn Senior High School in York, Pennsylvania,
which was a blue collar town, just like we've talked
about a few of these bands, including Green Day, where
you had a giant Harley Davidson factory and a giant
Caterpillar factory across the street from each other, and pretty
much everybody in the town work there, except for Ed's dad,
who apparently was a high school teacher nearby.
Speaker 5: You're talking about that opening guitar riff. Apparently when Chad
taller was playing at ed walked in and hard. It's like,
what is that? He's like, I don't know something I've gotten.
I don't know what it is, and he's like, keep going,
keep going. And apparently he just spouted off several lines
of lyrics right there.
Speaker 4: I heard that.
Speaker 1: When he brought it to the rest of the band,
he said, Okay, guys, Chad and I have come up
with this deal. What we're going to do is gradually ratchet.
Speaker 4: Up the intensity and the speed.
Speaker 1: Apparently they also recorded this song in a studio with
massive bay windows during a lightning storm.
Speaker 5: How you turn all the lights off? Didn't they They.
Speaker 1: Turned off all the lights and it was in the
middle of a lightning storm the studio of these huge windows.
This is in Cannon Fall, Minnesota, and it added to
the intensity, kind of the drama of the song. And
they got it all in one take.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Yeah, no, I can't even I mean, that's perfect.
What a perfect image for this song. It makes it
makes it even better in my mind.
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: You know, you were talking about how these guys got
started in the eighth grade. Well Patrick, Chad and the
other Chad the drummer and the guitarist. They played in
an instrumental band called First Aid. Yep ed Kowalcek joined
as the singer in the eighth grade and he auditioned
by singing Duran duranduran.
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He he auditioned with the band at the behest of
his music teacher. Their eighth grade music teacher was like,
you guys should try to do something together and do
something for the eighth grade talent show, which is how
they got together. And they actually credit I mean, it's
just it's kind of crazy in this type of town
that we've talked to. They credit some of the music
teachers that they had in their high school with being
very influential on teaching them about musical theory and exposing
them to different artists and composers that really influenced how
they play.
Speaker 1: Once they got together, they changed their name to Public
Affection and they played songs by the violent femmes are
Em You.
Speaker 4: Two and Brian Adams Nice. He said their heroes were
you two. After reading The Unforgettable Fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a story on that actually, but I
think we need to move on to the next song first.
This is song number two on the album one you
might have heard of called selling the Drama.
Speaker 7: In Fine and tubern the crowd that has a name.
Speaker 3: So obviously a lot of religious symbolism going on here.
To love a God and to fear a flame, obviously
in reference to Christianity and God and hell. To right
or wrong is in the Hindu tradition, to meeker strong
as a play on the attitudes of Jesus and then
scream it from the wall, the wailing wall from the
Jewish faith. So he's got all kinds of stuff going
on here. He really had gotten into a philosophy at
the time that he was writing these songs, by a
guy named Krishna Mirtis. The idea was that behind this
philosophy that this guy had was that you shouldn't be
worshiping in an individual. You are surrounded by things that
should impact who you are and find out the truth
within yourself instead of looking out to others. This was
back when he was eighteen years old and writing songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this song was the first single released February ninety four.
And when I say single, it wasn't really a single.
It wasn't a physical single that they sold, but It
was the first song released to radio stations. Once again,
in order to drive outBut them sales, they did not
release physical singles.
Speaker 5: Drama eight million times.
Speaker 4: Good point, good point they did.
Speaker 1: This reached number one on the Modern Rock charts and
number forty three on the Hot one hundred.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you mentioned that this hit number one of
the Modern Rock charts, and it didn't even hit the
top forty on the Hot one hundred.
Speaker 4: It only got to forty three.
Speaker 3: So, inspired by my friend Jason Colvin, I thought, well,
let me go see what the top ten was. That
this thing only made it to number forty three, and
my mind was blown, and not in.
Speaker 4: A good way. All Right, you guys ready for this.
Speaker 1: This is the top ten that is blocking this from
getting up there.
Speaker 3: Okay, keep going right, So number ten, if you go
by John Succata, huh, all right? Number nine functified by
de Brat number eight, back and forth by a Leah.
Number seven, Can you Feel the Love Tonight by Elton John.
That's the first one of a newer of hope right
there right, okay. Fantastic Voyage by Coolio at number six,
and number five, Don't Turn Around by Ace of Bass,
the song that made me want to claw my ears
off in nineteen ninety four, Oh My Gosh. Number four Anytime,
Any Place by Janet Jackson.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: Number three Regulate by Warren g and Nate Doggre You Go.
A memorable song, but not something that should have been
forty places ahead of this song.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Number two Stay by Lisa Loeb and Nine Stories and
at number one in its tenth week at number one.
I swear by all for one, there was something wrong
with the listening public or with the Billboard Hot one
hundred in this time. I don't know what was going
going on, but there's no way that those songs should
have been in the top ten. And this one only
hit forty three ten weeks at number one. At least
ten weeks. This was just the tenth week it may.
Speaker 4: Have gone on. I wow, No, I I spent there,
but it's it was there a long time.
Speaker 3: So back to you too, obviously you two had a
bunch of religious symbolism as well. If you want to
go back, was that season one that we did Yeah, yeah,
so way back in season one we covered you two
with Joshua Tree. Fantastic episode. I love it, as I said,
it's one of those albums too. But nineteen eighty seven,
Ed goes to a concert with a friend of his
and it's you two they played, They paid sixty bucks,
went over to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, watched from the nosebleed section,
and he was so impacted that as they walked away,
he said, I'm going to do what Bono in that
band does, or I'm going to die try it.
Speaker 4: That's cool. I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then of course he gets Unforgettable Fire, shows
it to the rest of the band and they all
are if they feel like they're reading their own story
when they read this, they read that book.
Speaker 4: That's great. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: This was recorded at the same studio as Nirvana's in Utero,
kind of a big deal at the moment. And this
music video is the last one we have where Ed
has long hair.
Speaker 4: He looked like Benny from Vinnie and June.
Speaker 3: He looked he had the he had the long hair,
he had the John Lennon circle glasses. Yeah, and he
had that hat and trench coat like Johnny Depp from
Bennie and Jine.
Speaker 1: And then he just buzzed it all off. So now
he's he's mister clean right, he's cubeall well, he had
rattail there for a while, it was buzzed except for
the rat tail. I forgot about the rats, which which
apparently he kept, like I guess once he cut that off.
Finally he was like, I'll get this to the wall. Nice, nice,
rad What do you what are your thoughts on this song?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's another one of the great ones.
I mean, it's such a good song. It hooks you in,
and a lot of these songs, this is one in particular.
I feel like Ed's voice almost acts like an instrument.
You know, he can go to so many different ranges.
He can go high, he can go low, he can
scream with the best of them. But if you've kind
of listened everything behind the instruments, you still hear his
voice and it's, like I said, it's almost like an
additional instrument in the band. And I think that's one
of the things that really hooked me on Live to
begin with, was just the musicianship was such at a
high level, and his voice is just, you know, incredible.
He has such a dynamic voice that the only guy
that I think compared to him that came around after
That was Brent Smith of Shinedown.
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's move on to the next song
on the album, song number three. This song is called
I Alone Not.
Speaker 7: These Things You Agree sing in two.
Speaker 8: Church Ba.
Speaker 3: This one hit number six on the Modern Right Rock Tracks.
I've played both at the Woodstock ninety four festival that
we talked about when we talked about Green Day and
the Mud Slinging.
Speaker 4: Yep, so Collective Soul what we're going to talk about
next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Collective Soul was there selling The Drama was actually
the first song on the first disc of the Woodstock
ninety four double disc set. So obviously they were doing
well at the time, so well that they invited them
back for Woodstock ninety nine where they played this song.
Speaker 6: Tole you thereby seting.
Speaker 4: Nice nice.
Speaker 1: I read that this song there are elements of this
song that is based on Luke Chapter eight, verses twenty
two through twenty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I listened to him talk about composing the song. He said,
you know, the lyric came into his head of it's
easier not to be wise, and he just like he
was like, wow, that just kind of summed up this
really big thing. And then later he came up with
the I sank into Eden with you, and he's like, gosh,
these you know, I'm really happy with these lyrics, but
obviously they don't rhyme. So he did the same thing.
He did the same thing that Mutt Lang and def
Leppard did when they're writing Pour some Sugar on mean.
He scattered some lyrics and that's how he came up
with and measured these things. By your brains alone in
the church, by and by.
Speaker 5: Well and then, like I said earlier, this is the
first song I ever heard by live and just such
a good song. And there's so many different changes in tempo,
and it's one of those songs you know, it's up
there with me, like with Stairway to Heaven and you
know Tom Sawyer and whatever else Hotel Coller It it's
a perfect song. It really is in all aspects. Wow
song on the album, but it's it's that kind of song.
It had to me. It has that kind of reach.
Speaker 3: For our listening audience who doesn't know Brad as well
as we do. Putting it up next to Tom Sawyer
is a big deal. He's literally wearing a Rush T
shirt in front of us right now.
Speaker 1: That's Hot Praise, despite being their third out. They did
not have any money when he wrote this, Like his
dad knew a guy who had a barn that they
could live in, and so that's when he wrote this song,
living in a barn in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4: He was I alone.
Speaker 3: So I sent you guys a link today as I
was driving over here to record.
Speaker 4: I wonder what that was for a restaurant?
Speaker 3: Okay, So cause I was listening and I was wondering,
I was like, huh, I wonder if this is still
a restaurant around, but the name what of the restaurant is?
Because it's still there. Grand Falloon's Tavern there in York, Pennsylvania.
They started this band when he was thirteen years old.
At fourteen years old, he got a job as a
dishwasher there and continued to work there because he he said, like,
I needed money to buy a guitar, and so he
continued to work there through the time that they released
Metal Jewelry. Like, He's like, we still didn't have any
money by the time Metal Jewelry came out, so I
was still working over there. So she's, you know, from
fourteen to twenty one whatever they were when metal Jewelry
came out. He was working over at Grand Fluon's tavern.
Speaker 4: We need to go there. That would be cool. Yeah,
awesome place to visit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we move on from this one, if it
were not for one particular memory with a song, this
would be my favorite. So this is my second favorite
song on the album.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you pointed the religious imagery in here.
Obviously it's throughout the songs, but just for the one
you mentioned the part in the Bible. It's the lyrics
of the song is you'll need them. Your boat is
at sea, your anchor is up, You've been swept away,
and the greatest of teachers won't hesitate but to leave
you there by yourself, chain to fate. That is all
about the moment that Christ was out in the walking
on the water and Peter went out to him during
the storm. All right, yep, So that moves us on
to the next song on the album. This one is
called Iris.
Speaker 7: Alone, just like yesterday song, said Simon tu.
Speaker 6: Always.
Speaker 4: I love the intro to this song.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that we just went from Bible
versus to a blowjob. I like the way my hand
looked on your head in the presence of my knuckles.
I like the way my hand looked on your head
in the presence of my struggle. Well, I don't think
there's really any doubt about what we're talking about in
that scenario.
Speaker 4: I mean, he is a young man, So there you go.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 3: Now what's interesting is he does then still again throw
it back to the Bible. He says, the Felix of
your truth will always break it. This is a reference
to Antonius Felix in the Bible, the guy who is
so tired of listening to Paul talk about Jesus that
he put him in jail. This is that's that Felix
that he's referred to.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1: This is another song that was performed at Woodstock ninety four,
which I have a feeling we're going to talk a
little bit more about next week.
Speaker 5: I'm fighting the roverbial of Doc Martin. This is my
favorite song.
Speaker 1: Oh spiking the Doc Martin.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I always like this when he just has
go back to the tempo changes and I mean it
slows down, it kicks back up, and it just rocks
out at the.
Speaker 9: End of the song, and I've just always loved it.
Speaker 8: Fa Wow, say remember We're listening to that whole album
through the first time, and it got the song and
we were only four songs in.
Speaker 5: I mean, what else did they call them this album
that could be even remotely good? Little did I know?
The rest of the entire album's good, but this has
always been one that stuck out for me. I always
loved the song, my favorite for sure.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Yeah, I love this song. And you know, unsurprisingly,
this is yet another band who has cited the Pixies
as an influence to them, and obviously this is that
same Let's be quiet, Let's be loud, Let's be quiet, Let's.
Speaker 4: Be loud moment.
Speaker 3: I can't I can't get over how good the guitar
riff sounds on this with the powerful stop dunt stop.
It's an amazing song that doesn't sound like anything that
we've heard on the album so far. They're using those
twelve notes the way they should.
Speaker 1: All right, move on to my favorite song on the album,
the song that was huge the summer of ninety five.
Speaker 4: That song is called Lightning Crashes.
Speaker 7: Gosh Mother.
Speaker 3: So Ed wrote this song on an acoustic guitar in
his bedroom, in his brother's bedroom actually, just before he
moved out of the house. It was dedicated to a
friend that they had in school named Barbara Lewis, who
was killed by a drunk driver in nineteen ninety three.
But she had donated her organs and her liver went
to save the life of a ten month old baby.
Now you watch the video on this one, which is
absolutely amazing, and you think it's all about the loss
of a child in childbirth. But Ed has said, now,
what he had really envisioned on this was a hospital
where in one room you have an old person who
is dying, and then in another room a new life
is being born. This goes back to the philosophy of
Krishna Murti that he had followed of living life from
a place of selflessness and humility and finding the truth within. Now,
what happens ultimately with this song is something surprising and
a weird coincidence. I'll let Jason tell you about.
Speaker 7: That angel closes.
Speaker 6: The confusion that.
Speaker 7: Belongs no baby Dona Long.
Speaker 1: So on April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, the Olklahoma City
bombing occurred. Something strange happened. There was a DJ in
Oklahoma City who took this song and added like news
clippings and sound clips and created a version of this
song with all of those, with President Clinton speaking and
victims talking, and for me, it went viral around the world.
I'm surprised that not as many people knew about it
as I did, but it was a big, big deal
in Oklahoma City, and I was living in Norman, which
is about twenty miles south of Oklahoma City at the time.
Speaker 4: One of these you feel your chase us out of
our chairs onto the poor.
Speaker 5: It could have come caving in on me at any
any point in time, but I never gave that one thought.
Speaker 4: I'll never want to look at anything like that again
in my life.
Speaker 5: This moment, she's been of the forty one children who
had been enrolled in the daycare center.
Speaker 4: Some of them were burned beyond recognition.
Speaker 3: I allowed my three year old daughter, unbelievable sangy ovens here.
Speaker 5: Some of myself said that couldn't look down at the children.
Speaker 7: They were carrying colors resents the sun.
Speaker 1: I remember that day incredibly well. Me and my two roommates,
Ericmatorier and Cameron Eckert, rushed to Oklahoma City to give blood,
and Cameron and I, because of our blood type had
so many people up there to giving blood, they wouldn't
take us, but my friend was oh negative. They rushed
him right to the front of the line and you
could still see the smoke from the building. And it's
just one of those weird events in your life where
this catastrophic event happens and then a song in popular
culture attaches itself to that event. And to me, these
things are just totally inerlate. So every time I hear
of this song, it just makes me think about all
those people who lost their lives.
Speaker 3: Incredible stuff. So here's the interesting twist on things. And
they talked about this, like the guys in the band
were kind of mystified. They described it as surreal to
have this heartbreaking event be connected to something that they wrote.
But as you mentioned early on, this album was released
in April of ninety four. It had been out for
over a year. Whenever the Oklahoma City bombing happened, it
had started to decline in sales. By May sixth of
ninety five, just two weeks after the bombing, it was
the biggest selling album in the world. And I have
no doubt that it had something to do with that
connection to the Oklahoma City bobbing.
Speaker 4: You want to hear the top five that week? Sure?
What was the top five on May fifth, nineteen.
Speaker 1: Ninety four, So that I found that totally incredible as well,
like it jumps back to the number one spot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So number five was Me Against the World by Tupac.
Speaker 4: Albums Alcocking Albums.
Speaker 1: I'm talking albums best selling albums for the week of
May fifth, nineteen ninety five. Number four was the Lion
King soundtra okay, which was huge, right right. Number three
was Cracked for a Window by Hooti.
Speaker 4: And the Blowfish. I had it its massive.
Speaker 1: Number two was The Friday Soundtrack Okay, and then number
one was Throwing Copper.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, this song did not have a physical
single release, so based on airplay alone on radio stations,
it reached number twelve on the Hot one hundred. Pretty incredible.
It was number one on Modern Rock charts for nine
weeks and was the third single an incredible and one
that still gives me chills.
Speaker 4: Brad, what are your thoughts man? Now?
Speaker 5: You're just talking about that anything I didn't reize there
was that connection there. I've always loved the song, but
I guess about six seven years ago actually went to Oklahoma City,
went to the Bombing Museum, and I remember when we're
sitting in there and they're playing I guess the meeting
they're having the water department next door or whatever, and
you could hear the bomb go off and everything just
goes quiet, And I mean it literally just sends chills
up and un file And No, it's not really related
to the album, but I can imagine living there at
the time and having that created that connection to that
song has to be something that will never leave. Even
going to that museum and you seeing all the empty
chairs out there outside and all that. I can't imagine.
I really can't.
Speaker 1: My good friend Roman was working at the University of
Oklahoma Health Science Center as a hospital area where they
trained students and they you know, to be doctors and
nurses and stuff. And he said when it went off,
he looked out and every doctor like on campus plus
students was racing on foot to the building.
Speaker 4: Incredible.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Billboard ranked Lightning Crashes as the
seventieth biggest hit in the history of mainstream rock charts. Okay,
I hate to move on so quickly from this one,
but next song on the album is called Top.
Speaker 7: Is Not helping Me at All in the name of
God and the distribute.
Speaker 1: Okay, so right after a song where we mentioned the
word placenta, we have a song about Hitler.
Speaker 4: This song is about Hitler. They mentioned Hitler in it.
Speaker 1: Oh, Hitler in a robe.
Speaker 5: Of truth, like he had to come out several times
and say I'm not a Nazi Hitler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you shave your head to the album, come,
you got some splaining to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this one has again some more deeply philosophical lyrics
in it. I mentioned, did I mention that the producer
on this one is Jerry Harrison from Talking Heads? No
you didn't, Okay, So the producer he did Metal Jewelry
as well, right, And so when they first found out
that they were going to get a producer, they all
they said, is a guy from Talking Heads and he
adds like David Burn, Yeah, the only guy that I
know from Talking Heads, and he's like, oh no, not him. Okay,
he plays the keyboards all right? Cool, But as it
turned out, they hit it off very well. They would
they would go have lunch and talk about their philosophical ideas,
and that highly influenced his writing of a lot of
these songs. But Jerry at the time was also a
rock star, and so in ninety three he gets them
backstage to Nirvana. In there in Utero tour, we mentioned
this album is recording the same place as and you're
they're excited. You know, they're still just kids who haven't
made it yet and they're getting to go listen to Nirvana,
who were a big influence on them. They go backstage,
they go into the dressing room, which he described as gigantic,
as opposed to the ones at CBGB's Plywood, right, he said,
But when he got in there, it was just Dave
and christ that was it. Like they were looking at
some pictures. They were really interested, and they keep waiting
around for Kurt. And then it was like, well, I
guess he's not going to come. And he's He's like, okay,
well we need we got to go. The show is
going to begin. He's like, okay, I got a pee
real quick. He goes to the bathroom, he's taken a piss.
Somebody steps up next to him and all he turns
and looks and it's Kurt Cobains.
Speaker 4: He said, he's on there.
Speaker 3: He talked to him for a half a second and
then he knew he's going on stage. But before he
sees him on stage, he sees him curled up in
a fetal position, like on the side of the stage
before they go on, and he's like, oh my gosh,
there's something wrong with this guy. They go out in
the audience and he said it's the best show he's
ever seen in.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Yeah, I want to hear
that conversation.
Speaker 4: What's up, dude, Hey.
Speaker 1: Eyes on the peace spot.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is the first.
Speaker 1: Song where I'm like, Eh, this one really didn't do
it for me. I mean, you got killer Killer, Killer Killer,
And then this one's like, it's less amazing as the
rest of the songs on the album, but I still
love it. I yeah, absolutely love this song.
Speaker 5: It's a good song, but when you compare it to
the ones that you know proceeded, it's, you know, it
doesn't quite have the teeth that that one do, but
like you know, he just said, it's still a great song.
Speaker 1: The next song on the album is called all Over You.
Speaker 7: I love like what ben in you?
Speaker 3: Gosh, They're so good, these are these songs are so
freaking good, and this is as close as we get
to a love song from Live so far. Listening to
Ed Talk, I got almost the exact same story that
we got from Billy Joe Armstrong. He had somebody take
him to a r EM concert and he would listen
to the Cure and Husker Do and was like, Wow,
these guys are writing lyrics that are not just your
standard I love you lyrics. These are songs with lyrics
with something behind them. This is the kind of music
that I want to write. And so that's how we
get this. But even with his love songs like he's
he almost sounds angry when he's singing these lyrics, but
it's so powerful what he's putting out there.
Speaker 6: For us.
Speaker 1: Fourth single on the album, released December of ninety four,
This reaches number four in the Modern Rock Charts, number
two on Mainstream rock charts.
Speaker 4: This is a banger. I love it.
Speaker 5: It's a great song. I think a lot of people
when I was reading thought it was about prostitution. It
said lay me down, pay me now, you know, And
that's kind of hard not to draw that same conclusion.
But then you listen to ed Talk about it and
you realize it's a little bit more than that. But yeah,
it's a great song. It's said right up there with
the rest of them. It's no, they're just great song
to rock out too, and they just keep going.
Speaker 4: I thought that too.
Speaker 1: So we got we got Bible verses, we've got blow jobs,
we've got prostitutes.
Speaker 5: You gotta Hitler.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't forget Hitler and.
Speaker 1: Hitler right list senses right. But he did say he
said he wrote this song when he was about what
twenty one. He said that this is the first time
in their life where everybody was now really interested in women,
and he said it kind of broke up their boyhood solidarity.
This song was used in The X Files in season
three shout out to Deaf David. Also used in the
movie Love and Sex starring Jon Favreau and fam Key Jansen.
Speaker 4: Okay, Majors, I might check that out.
Speaker 1: Anything else on this one, Brad?
Speaker 7: Nope?
Speaker 1: Okay, hit stop on your tape player, kick it out,
flip it over ver side two, and the next song
is called.
Speaker 3: Are we allowed to say the name of this next song?
With our PG thirteen audience?
Speaker 4: Down weavers leave up.
Speaker 7: The street from me.
Speaker 2: Back.
Speaker 6: They leave down the street.
Speaker 3: For me, so Ed said after they released this song,
they were not very welcome in their hometown anymore.
Speaker 4: What what what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, apparently he lived down the street from the
Weavers and up the street from the crackheads, but it
was okay because nobody mowed the grass and you couldn't
see him anyway.
Speaker 1: I heard that he wanted to use the cleavers.
Speaker 4: Like like June and like Ward like the Beef.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they couldn't get permission to do that. But
I did hear that he said from the stage, don't
ever go there, Do not ever go unless you like
York peppermint patties or Harley Davidson's.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I like both of those. Yeah, sure
I could do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't really I like
this song. I just don't really like the I don't
like the sentiment of trashing your hometown too much.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but maybe you had a good hometown
and grow up yeah like my hometown. Yeah, you didn't
grow up next to the smokestacks of the big factories
in town and live down the street from the craw kids.
Speaker 1: I lived down the street from Mazio's pizza sounds so
much much better.
Speaker 4: It was nice, It was nice. Okay.
Speaker 3: So here's the story on how they got out of
the shit town. Okay, yes, all right. So they started
playing local gigs and they ultimately, you know, they they're like, hey,
we're doing well enough, we should start charging people at
the door. They charged four dollars ahead, four dollars ahead. Yes,
sold out a four hundred seat club and had to
turn people away because it was they had gotten so
big locally, right And of course, now I say locally,
like they they lived in York, which is a two
hour drive from just about anywhere you want to go,
like New York City, Washington, DC, all that other stuff, right, okay,
And so they're like, hey, we need management, and they
wanted this guy named David Cystack to be their manager,
but he wouldn't take their calls. He was like, I
don't know who you are, Stop bugging me, blah blah
blah blah. So Chad Taylor, the guitarist, daddy steps in.
Chad Taylor's dad calls up David Cestack and says, listen
your are they going to listen to these guys or
you're going to make the biggest mistake of your career. Wow,
And that was enough to get him to listen. Like
helicopter Dad came in and made things happen. And when
David says, Dak listened to him, he was like, you
know what, you guys are good, but you need an album.
Speaker 4: So what do they do? This is great.
Speaker 3: They sold junk bonds to their friends and family for
an interest in their first album. Oh my god, for like,
you know, one hundred bucks apiece or whatever. They're selling
an interest, which of course nobody ever got paid anything
from this course. But they raised ten thousand dollars to
make their first album, which was the Death of a Dictionary,
when they were still under the name they had before,
which was Public Affection. They pressed about two thousand copies.
That's kind of hard to find now, the Death of
a Dictionary. But it was a great success, and so
they're like, Okay, let's see if we can give this
band thing a go. Now Ed had a scholarship to
American College. They were like, we'll pay for your entire
tuition everything, and he said, I deferred it for two years.
I said, we will give ourselves two years to make
it as a band, which is the same story that
we've already told with Weezer.
Speaker 4: Weezer, Yeah, a scholarship. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And fortunately in that two year time period they did
very well. The Death of a Dictionary got a Washington
Post review where the writer said they may be able
to take over the modern rock scene from U two
and ra em Wow. That gets them gigs at CBGB's,
which gets them funding from a record company named Giant.
They did a demo with Jay Healy and then Jay Heey,
by the way, produced John Mellencamp. But then once they
had the demo, Giant didn't like it so much, but
Radioactive Records did like it. They signed the band, had
them change their name to Weity Toity I guess, and
they literally drew the name live.
Speaker 4: Out of a hat.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how that is like the worst
name of a band. I'm serious because when you google it,
you know, you type in live lightning crashes, you know
what You're going to get a bunch of live versions
of lightning crashes.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe, just maybe. Back in nineteen ninety four, like
fifteen years before Google existed, they didn't have the foresight
to know would be searching for their their songs on YouTube.
Speaker 4: That's Fair, That's Fair.
Speaker 5: Its first live Parentheses band.
Speaker 4: By the way, you know who else went to American University?
Who's that? Catherine Colvin?
Speaker 1: Really she went one semester yep. Wow, she could have
gone with ed culture all right. Time to move on
to the next song on the album. This one is
called TBD.
Speaker 3: No Losing Good, Reaching Forward then this is like a
break song. This is like we've been hitting you hard,
hitting your heart. Okay, now we're gonna give you something mellow.
And first lyrics in this song are in the moment
I was losing my head, reading too much and losing
my head, and I was reaching forward. I was already there,
reading too much and losing my head. This information caused
a cut in the line. Now I'm remembering God and
reading too much. This is in reference to the author
all This Huxley, who wrote A Brave New World, who
was a staunch atheist, who's while he was on his
deathbed and on a morphine drip, his wife read him the.
Speaker 4: Tibetan Book of the Dead. That's why we have the name.
Speaker 5: I've always liked this song. I love the bass intro.
It's just kind of slow it's kind of relaxing. But
it's just a very smooth intro to this song, and
it's a total departure of everything else that's on the album.
But it's a really really good song.
Speaker 3: Could easily be on the Makeout List of nineteen ninety five.
This is a smooth you know if you're if you're
in the pool room at two eight m this song
comes on and the girl is still checking you out.
This is where you go over and start talking.
Speaker 4: I can see that.
Speaker 1: I can see that, Okay, moving on to the next
song on the album. That song is called Stage. This
is a crowd slammer. This is a mosh pit song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is them doing punk rock, which
is Ed's voice might just be too good for punk rock,
but man, it's a banger for sure.
Speaker 5: Well from one extreme the other after TBD exactly. If
I had to pick one song that's probably my least
favorite on there, it's probably this one.
Speaker 4: You're not a punk rock guy though, no.
Speaker 5: I'm not a punk rock guy, so that's just kind
of a little bit too much like that. I don't
hate it, but when you compare it to everything else
in the album, it's if it's a skipper. This is
the one for me.
Speaker 4: So lyric in the song.
Speaker 3: He was a rock and roll messiah and she was
known for her child care. You guys remember when Courtney
Love admitted that she did heroin while she was pregnant. Yeah,
that's these two lines are about Courtney Love. Then Kurt
Cobain ironically released the month he commits suicide.
Speaker 4: Interesting. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes me the song more interesting to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the.
Speaker 1: Moment in the concert when Brad and I are going
to go get drinks. I'm jumping in the mach Do
you guys enjoyed the mash bit? Yeah, you guys, thirsty
I did hear. I thought this was a great quote.
Ed Kualchek said, at thirteen years old, they believed that
they were going to rule the world. And he said,
right before they had to go to college. They landed
that record deal which we talked about, right. Yeah, so
they made a video for five thousand bucks and he
couldn't believe it, but MTV put it on smacked between
Michael Jackson and Madonna.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so that one.
Speaker 3: Radioactive Records ends up producing Metal Jewelry, their big hit.
Speaker 4: If you want to call it that.
Speaker 3: I mean, his big hit on college radio was called
Operation Spirit because college radio played it and MTV had
it in pretty high rotation. That album sold five hundred
thousand copies. That's that's not too bad.
Speaker 4: That's gold Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not too bad for the first album under
a different name. But these, I mean, these guys, you know,
I read something. This is twenty twenty four report that
credits this album as the beginning of the post grunge movement. Okay,
I didn't really you know, I hadn't really thought about
that before. But like with grunge, you've got a lot
of nihilism and angst, and so what is the post
grunge reaction to that? Well, if we're talking about this,
it's spiritualism and hope for joy, Like that's really the message.
I mean, he's got some intellectual messages behind his lyrics
that are more promising and hopeful than what we've had
in the past.
Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the next song. This song is
called Waitress.
Speaker 7: Behind the Bitch down Onside, she was a bitch. Change
is good enough. Change Todd's got.
Speaker 3: Fam So this is a little less deep than the
fast song.
Speaker 4: It's a been all right, guys, hear me on I
got a great song.
Speaker 1: It's about tipping your waitress because everybody's good enough for
some change.
Speaker 4: Listen at the time that I was listening.
Speaker 3: At the time that I was listening to this album
on heavy rotation on my CD player, I was working
as a waiter, and so I loved the song.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 3: She's got a funky bread in her hair. I was
just like, oh, yeah, I know that girl. She is
an f and bitch, but leave her some change. Because
here's here's what you know as a waiter. If somebody
leaves you change, that is to say, much less than
the standard fifteen to twenty percent at the time, right,
That means they didn't forget to tip you. They just
thought you sucked.
Speaker 4: Take this home for me, Brad, what are your thoughts
in this one?
Speaker 5: I was a waiter when this song came out, too,
and waiter a college student, and we've all been there.
You know it did it just because that's what they do.
But then you know, I preserved the change. But yeah,
he'd had mints words in this song at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he was thinking of somebody at the tavern
that he worked at New York, Pennsylvania Grand Faloons, Grand Falloons,
which I really want to go visit now, I really
want to go.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about York Patties all day. I just
want to meet this waitress because I'm sure she's still
working there. Hey, everybody's good enough for some change, all right?
Were ready for the next one?
Speaker 5: Moving on?
Speaker 1: Next song on the album is called Pillar of Davidson.
Speaker 7: Modiza zoom on on Machines that can on be Magma.
Speaker 3: This is a beautiful song. To me, This song puts
me in a very calm and easy mood. And it's
another song about their hometown, but a little a little
kinder this time.
Speaker 5: To me, it's one of the more underrated songs on
the on the album, and it took me a while
to warm up to it because it's so slow at first.
But then it's in the chorus and it's a little
bit you know, more up tempo, brighter, I guess you
could say. But yeah, I've always liked this song. It's
a really really good one. It doesn't buried kind of
deepen the album. Not a lot of people talk about it,
but it's a really good song.
Speaker 3: So I mentioned earlier that everybody pretty much in the
town worked at one of two factories, one making Harley
Davidson parts, the other one making caterpillars. That's how we
get the name of the song, Killer of Davidson.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think about that. I didn't know it
either until Ed turned me on. I was like, ah,
that's actually that makes me like it more pretty creative.
I did like his quote on this one.
Speaker 1: Ed qua Check said, it's a song that you can
sing and maybe feel a little bit less lonely.
Speaker 4: Dig it Yeah, love it. Wow.
Speaker 3: So of note, if you had the vinyl, if you
were still buying vinyl records in nineteen ninety four and
nineteen ninety five, you didn't get this song. I had
the CD, so I got this song, but this was
not on the vinyl pressing of ninety four.
Speaker 4: Were people buying records in ninety four? I don't think
anybody was hard Well I guess I was. Yeah. Cool.
Moving on to the next one. The song is called
White Discussion.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: This is the fifth and final single on the album.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as the disciples of this disenchanting discourse continue
to dampen the day, that's solid songwriting right there.
Speaker 7: Guy.
Speaker 4: That is awesome.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of a cocin clan political correctness. It's
a good one. It's another one just like the one before.
It's kind of very deep in the album, but it's
such a really good song.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He really put a lot of time and thought into
those lyrics. I mean, not many people can pull off
that and make it sound good.
Speaker 1: This is my favorite song on side too Nice. Yeah,
I really like this one. You know, he samples that
Colorado speak, that Colorado preacher. Yes, who was delivering you?
I prepared you delivering a sermon on the end of
the world. And Ed recorded him just because he liked
his voice. Yeah, Sam Kennison, Yeah, you know right. This
song was used in the movie Virtuosity nineteen ninety five,
starring Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe.
Speaker 6: At the viral.
Speaker 7: Sunset rush here and the clock is fine.
Speaker 4: I missed that one. It's kind of a junk science
fiction movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, well let me ask you if did you guys
see Fight Club? Yes, So, as I'm watching Fight Club
in the theater, there's a scene where they're Helena Bottom,
Carter and Ed Norton are talking in a little diner
and a waiter comes up and as I'm watching the movie,
I'm like, ah, that looks like the lead singer Alive
right there.
Speaker 4: And I'm so turn to my date. I'm like, is
that the lead singer of Live? And she's like, I
don't know who that is.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, that really And it took years before
I finally figured it out because we didn't have IMDb
or anything else like that. And finally I confirmed it. Yes,
that is Ed Kowalcik playing the part of the waiter.
Now I got the full story behind it, all right.
So he moves out to LA He's the only guy
in the band that moves from Pennsylvania out to LA
But he's out there being his rock star and he
he has a friend who is a talent agent named Sean,
and so they go to dinner one night and he's
joking around with Sean and he's like, Hey, I'm a
big rock star. Now you should get me into a movie.
By the way, his only acting experience was playing Captain
Hook in his school production of Peter pant and It's Buddy.
Sean is like, are you serious, and he's like, well, sure, yeah, whatever,
you know, No, not really but okay. A couple of
days later, Sean sends him the script for the movie
Fight Club, and he's like, would you be interested in
being this? And he said, I read it and was
blown away at how good it was. I bought the
book and read that and was blown away at how
good it was. And so he's like, I don't know
if I'm going to get this part or not, but
I got to audition for this part, right, So he
goes to audition for the part, and as it turns out,
David Fincher, who he loves because he loved the game.
Speaker 4: David Fincher is a big fan of the band Live.
Oh that's cool and so yeah.
Speaker 3: So the part that he was supposed to get, there's
a scene where like this car attendant it keeps spraying
people as they walk by on the sidewalk trying to
inside a fight. And one of the guys he sprays
is this preacher and that was originally who Ed Qualtchik
was supposed to play. But David Fincher was like, no, no, no,
I want you to have a talking part, and so
he gives him this part of this waiter and I
don't think he says much more.
Speaker 4: Than you know.
Speaker 3: He's like Helena Bottom Carter orders of the soup, and
Ed Norton is like, just the clean ones. And he's like, then,
may I suggest not that soup? Right, that's right, Yeah, whatever,
I'll have the clam chowder, the fried chicken with a
baked potato with everything and a chopa.
Speaker 7: Scompie clean food please in that case, sir, may I
advise against the lady to eating the clem chok.
Speaker 4: No clem chow or thank you.
Speaker 3: So he says he gets the part, and David Fincher says, Okay,
have you seen The Shining.
Speaker 4: He's like yeah, he says, go watch it again. Look
at the bartender.
Speaker 3: I want you to be the bartender from The Shining
when you're playing this waiter that's obviously a member of
the fight club.
Speaker 1: Wow, great story, man, I remember that part of the
movie now that you bring it up.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think there's rumors out there that he
had gotten the part because Brad Pitt was a big
Live fan, But he said, I never even met Brad
Pitt because the way he.
Speaker 4: Was in the scene.
Speaker 3: He said that scene, that small little scene they shot
for fourteen hours because David Fincher won't edit as he's going.
He just shoots the whole scene over and over and
over again, like fifty times. And he said he spent
most of the time hanging out with Helen A. Bottom Carter,
smoking cigarettes and she's like, so, how do you like acting?
And he says, I like being in a band.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When they finally got to see the movie, like before,
everybody else is him, his buddy Sean and meat.
Speaker 1: Loaf and meat Loaf who has a part in that movie.
Speaker 4: His name was Robert Paulson. All right.
Speaker 1: Last song on the album. This song is called Horse
two three four.
Speaker 7: All the Things They make You. We know that Jay.
Speaker 4: Dude pulling out the country on this post grunge. Yeah,
I love it. Steal guitar in there, man, I dig it.
Speaker 5: It sounds like the song you put it in an
album that sounds like this has closed it off or
it's gonna play something little different, kind of like Van
Halen used to do with their you know, happy trails
on that kind of stuff. That's what it reminded me of.
It's it's a cool little tune. I think James and
them should cover it since Hidden Tracks will be covering
a hidden track that'd be a great.
Speaker 3: Perfect hidden tracks James Buckley and a Hidden should cover
this hidden track of Horse.
Speaker 1: This sounds like a song that Sandro What's her Face
should have played at the end of any which way
you can.
Speaker 4: This is so much better than anything.
Speaker 3: I remember when we're covering Huey Lewis in the News
and they ended with a Hank Williams song and you
were like, why am I listening to this? I want
to go back to the beginning, and you know, I
want a new drug and I'm like, no, dude, this
is good.
Speaker 4: This is showing the range here.
Speaker 1: By the way, we talked about how Live played Woodstock
ninety four YEP along with Green Day, and we're going
to talk about Collective Soul next week Friday, August twelfth,
nineteen ninety four on the North Stage Live then Kings
x Cheryl Crow, Collective Soul, Candlebox and Violent Fems Nice.
That's a pretty solid day right there.
Speaker 3: So interesting that you bring up Candlebox because here's what.
Here's the post release album, right we get a few
more albums after this. I really like the album that
came after this, Secrets Somandi. About that album, I loved it,
but not nearly as much as I loved this one.
But after they put out a few albums, eventually something
goes wrong with these guys that have been playing together
since they were thirteen years old. And basically they fire
like Chad Taylor, Patrick Dalmer and Chad Gracie fire ed
qualchik from the band.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like the main composer, yeah, of all
the songs.
Speaker 3: And that was really what it was about. I think
he was like, hey, you know, can I get like
a songwriter? You know, bonus here? Since I really am
the guy that's writing and singing all of this. I mean,
I've got the melodies, I've got the lyrics. They just
push him out of the band.
Speaker 4: They're like, we didn't like you in the eighth grade. Right. Well,
as it.
Speaker 3: Turns out, like some other things happen, and it kind
of I kind of got the impression that maybe it's
Chad Taylor kind of pushing the other guys around a
little bit. I looked like he had some sort of
bad business deal that he got sued over for misleading
the person about his net worth. And Chad Gracie, the
guy who was playing drums and with him since he
was thirteen years old. Was like, he's just a liar
and there's really not much I can do to back
him up when he's obviously irrefutably lying in this scenario.
So I think maybe Chad Taylor kind of tried to
push him around. Now they stuck together, and they partnered
up with Kevin Martin and Sean Hennessy from Candlebox, and
they formed a new band called The Gracious Few. Okay,
I don't know that they had anything that was really
that good, and obviously that one kind of fell apart
after a while. But then Ed gets back with the band.
Ed gets back with the.
Speaker 1: Band, and he somehow wrestles the majority of the ownership
of the band away, and the first thing he does
is fire Chad Taylor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then not long after that, the other two
guys are out too. They're like, we're out here. Yeah.
The band that is now live is just Ed and
three other guys.
Speaker 1: When you write all the songs, man, you got all
the power.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He was telling a story.
Speaker 3: Jason and I were listening to a story just before
we started recording, where he got a call they were
doing some very big show and their drummer had slipped
on a banana peel basically, I mean it was really like, wait,
are you serious? I mean this sounds like a joke.
Slipped on a banana peel. No, he slipped on a
banana and broke his arm, which is important for a drummer.
You gotta have your arms unless you're Rick Allen. Right, Well,
apparently that's what the drummer did. Like, they had some
other guy come in that was really good, but like
they put two drummers up on the stage and their
regular drummer played with one arm like Rick Allen, while
the other one was kind of a backup Phil Nice.
I don't know how it worked out, but I guess
they had a good show.
Speaker 4: I love it. Rick Allen the thunder God. Yeah, Brad,
what are your final thoughts on this one? Man?
Speaker 5: I mean, like I said earlier, it's one of my
favorite albums of all times, top top five for sure.
I mean, wow, yeah, this album album is obviously their best.
I mean it's just it's solid the entire way through
start to finish. You know, any day I don't have
to be in any particular movie like to listen to it.
Very very good album.
Speaker 4: I like this album too. I do think it's top heavy.
Speaker 1: I think the front side is really really strong, and
I think it falls off on the second side, but
there's some game changing bangers on the front side.
Speaker 4: Can't argue with that. Yeah, Like Brad said, this was
this was the one that was on a top list
of albums for me. I love it. I couldn't.
Speaker 3: When we very first started talking about this, and we've
been talking about covering this album four years, it was
it was going to be this one up against Collective Soul,
the Blue Album, And it was only upon realizing, oh hey,
Dookie came out in ninety four, Oh hey, sixteen Stone
came out in ninety four, Oh my goodness, Weezer came
out in ninety four, and then it was just a
waterfall and we had to just pick five, right, and
so we went with these five. I'm anxious to cover
Collective Soul, and then I'm really anxious to do the
top five of nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be an epic episode.
Speaker 5: I'm ready to listen to that Cluck of Soul episode
as well. They're one of my favorites during that time too.
I actually got to go see them because it's three
years ago. In Mississippi. They opened for Sticks and that
was both of the bands were incredible. That was a
great show. Tommy All came out and played with Collective
Soul for a couple of songs and fun a really,
really good show.
Speaker 4: Well you saw them with Jay Hudson. I did because
at the River wind Right I saw them about this
time last year. Yep. Nice, nice Brad. Thank you for
being here. Man, I hope you had a good time.
Speaker 5: I did, Man, thanks for having me on. As always,
I enjoyed it great.
Speaker 4: Can't wait to talk next week. Collective Soul