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Speaker 1: This is Eric, one of Jason's old college roommates, and

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you're listening to the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Over to you boys, Hello everybody, and welcome back to

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the sure That You Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 3: We are here today for album number four of five

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that we are covering from nineteen ninety four. We are

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going to be talking about live Throwing Copper today. We

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have previously covered Green Day Dookie, We've previously covered Bush

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sixteen Stone, and we have previously covered Beezer the Blue Album,

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and we still have Collective Soul of the Blue album

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to cover on our next episode.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: We've had some great guest hosts, and we have another

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great guest host today. Friend of the podcast, longtime listener,

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longtime Patreon member, mister Brad Moore.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing, Brad?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good, guys. How are you good? Man?

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Speaker 1: How's life treating you down there in USA?

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Speaker 5: I ran a rich dog. No, it's just good. I'm

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glad to be back. Finally we're able to do one

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of these again. Sorry, I had to flake out on

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the Patreon episode when we did epic.

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Speaker 1: That's all right, man, no problem, no problem.

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Speaker 4: You're a working Man.

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Speaker 3: So covering these albums from ninety four has led us

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not only to pick these five albums, but Jason and

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I just recently decided, once we're done with this, we're

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going to do our top five of nineteen ninety four,

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which I'm super excited about because this year was an

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amazing year for music and it's a great opportunity to

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be able to listen to these guys talk about the

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albums that they made thirty years ago. And one of

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the guys, you know, we just finished Bush sixteen Stone

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and listening to Gavin Rossdale talk, you know, I had

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it in my head that, you know, he's kind of

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a pretty boy. He's just the most down to earth

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friendly guy.

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Speaker 4: In the world. Okay.

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Speaker 3: And then the same thing with Live, I kind of

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had this image in my head of Ed Kowalcik that was,

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you know, he's kind of a stuck up intellectual guy.

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I'm listening to him and he's just the most easy going,

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friendly you know really yeah, I mean I just love it.

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And then as he's talking, he's like, well, you know,

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the interviewer is like, well, who have you met, you

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know in the industry that you've bonded with and he's like, oh,

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Gavin Rossdale and I have the best time in the world.

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So these guys are actually friends, they're close friends. But

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Gavin Rossdale, when I was listening to him talk, he said,

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this wonderful thing.

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Speaker 4: I wrote it down.

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Speaker 3: I forgot to mention in our Bush episode, but he said,

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there's only twelve notes. There's just an infinite way to

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arrange them. From Mozart to Slipknot, they're all using the

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same twelve notes. And I just thought that's exactly right.

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And then listening to Ed Kowalchik talk, he was like,

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ninety four was just one of those years where you

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had all of these incredible albums, but they were all

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very unique, like everything sounded different than everything else. And

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he said, within just a few years after that everything

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began to be homogenized and sound the same. And so

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it was really this, I mean, ninety four was kind

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of the beginning of the end of things being the

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way we grew up with them for you know, the

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twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: I would agree that's that's kind of the last place

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I planted my flag and the music world was ninety

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four ninety five. Hey, by the way before we got started.

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He was a little bit late to the podcast today.

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Brad sent us a Texas said, Hey, we are talking

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about three o'clock central, right, And I texted back and

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I said, I alone at this moment.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 4: That was good.

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Speaker 3: It was only three oh five, by the way, and

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I drove an hour.

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Speaker 4: To get here.

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Speaker 3: A little break here, Okay, So guys, tell me your

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experience with this album. We talked about some of these

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other albums, and I mentioned that Bush was the first

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one that I had that album back in nineteen ninety

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five and played it all the time. This is another

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one that I had in ninety five and I played

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it all the time. I loved this CD. I consider

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it possibly top ten albums of all time. When we're

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talking about albums that are flawless from beginning to end, wow,

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you know, put Ten by Pearl Jam in there, put

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Joshua Tree by you two in there. I mean, there

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are are very few albums that have no skippers, no fillers,

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just good, good music.

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Speaker 1: From beginning to end. And to me, Throwing Copper is

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one of those albums. Brad, what's your history with this one?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I had a roommate at the time.

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I've only been in Louisi in a short time when

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this album came out and his name was Spencer Calwell

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and I walked in one day and he was playing

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this album. He had gotten it. I don't know where

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he heard it first, but I alone was playing. I'm like,

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what is this and he's like, man, it's live. I'm

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like live where, Like this is a live show? He said, no,

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the band is called Live. This is phenomenal because yeah,

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the whole album's like this. It's great. See, you got

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to sit down and listen to it. I said, all right,

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let's do it, and we listened to the whole thing

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on that stereo. Right.

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Speaker 1: There are Vegas speakers in the world.

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Speaker 5: There are Sony speakers. I've had them since I was sixteen.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Some of the components have changed. But I gave it

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to my son body of turntable to go with it,

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and it's still kicking. That thing is built to last.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic nice.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I knew the hits from this they

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were unavoidable on radio, but this, this album took a

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massive step forward to me. When a catastrophic event happened

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in Oklahoma City in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we will definitely talk about that.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I want to hold that story until a little bit later.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this album was released April twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four.

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This went eight times platinum in the US. April of

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ninety four, we had a couple of people die. You

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had Richard Nixon pass away in April of ninety four.

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He was eighty one from a stroke. You also had

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Kurt Cobain who took his own life in April of

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ninety four. So a couple of significant deaths in April

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of ninety four.

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Speaker 3: Okay, first song out of the Gate is a song

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I love called the damn at Otter Creek.

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Speaker 7: When all you've looked it to you because your factor

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what's been done. This is where sadness free.

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Speaker 4: The sadness if you just cut the guys with the.

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Speaker 5: Damn it all the creaking nor the world backed off

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deep enough.

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Speaker 4: Too, dum Okay.

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Speaker 3: So before we started going on this one, I texted

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Jason and I was like, Okay, I want you to

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try to guess what my favorite track on this CD

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is and he was like I alone. I was like, nope,

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he's lightning crashes. I like, Nope, he's like selling the drama.

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No is it damn it Otter Creek? Yes, damn at

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Otter Creek is my favorite track on this whole CD,

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and I love every song.

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Speaker 5: Very hard to pick a favorite track on this CD.

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Speaker 3: This one just has such a unique sound. The build

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that they have at the beginning of this. I mean,

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I have never been fortune to see live live, but

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I can just imagine like the shadow silhouettes of these

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guys moving across the stage as this builds and builds

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at the beginning of this song.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely like a concert kickoff song.

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Speaker 4: Oh heck yeah.

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Speaker 1: As the curtains still up, you hear the hum and

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the guitar. By the way, that guitar riff, Chad Taylor

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said that it came to him in a dream. He

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also heard this like hum of power cables, and so

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he had a little journal by his bed and he

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rolled over and he wrote high tension power lines. So

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apparently Otter Creek is a tributary of the Susquehanna River

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in York, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Susquehanna River is a place where they would

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I mean, they would literally make dams. They would make

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these dams so that they could let the water build

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up deep enough to dive. But what resulted, you know,

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because these are just dumb kids doing this, is that

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quite a few people died diving into these waters. So

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you mentioned York, Pennsylvania. That is where these guys all

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grew up. They met in middle school when they were

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like thirteen years old. We got Ed Kawalchek on vocals

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and rhythm guitar. We've got Chad Taylor on lead guitar

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and backing vocals, Patrick Dahlheimer on bass, and Chad Gracie

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on drums and backing vocals. But these guys all went

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to middle school together. They all went to high school

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at the William penn Senior High School in York, Pennsylvania,

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which was a blue collar town, just like we've talked

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about a few of these bands, including Green Day, where

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you had a giant Harley Davidson factory and a giant

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Caterpillar factory across the street from each other, and pretty

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much everybody in the town work there, except for Ed's dad,

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who apparently was a high school teacher nearby.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about that opening guitar riff. Apparently when Chad

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taller was playing at ed walked in and hard. It's like,

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what is that? He's like, I don't know something I've gotten.

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I don't know what it is, and he's like, keep going,

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keep going. And apparently he just spouted off several lines

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of lyrics right there.

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Speaker 4: I heard that.

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Speaker 1: When he brought it to the rest of the band,

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he said, Okay, guys, Chad and I have come up

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with this deal. What we're going to do is gradually ratchet.

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Speaker 4: Up the intensity and the speed.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they also recorded this song in a studio with

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massive bay windows during a lightning storm.

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Speaker 5: How you turn all the lights off? Didn't they They.

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Speaker 1: Turned off all the lights and it was in the

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middle of a lightning storm the studio of these huge windows.

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the intensity, kind of the drama of the song. And

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they got it all in one take.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Yeah, no, I can't even I mean, that's perfect.

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What a perfect image for this song. It makes it

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makes it even better in my mind.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: You know, you were talking about how these guys got

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started in the eighth grade. Well Patrick, Chad and the

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other Chad the drummer and the guitarist. They played in

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an instrumental band called First Aid. Yep ed Kowalcek joined

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as the singer in the eighth grade and he auditioned

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by singing Duran duranduran.

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Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He he auditioned with the band at the behest of

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his music teacher. Their eighth grade music teacher was like,

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you guys should try to do something together and do

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something for the eighth grade talent show, which is how

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they got together. And they actually credit I mean, it's

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just it's kind of crazy in this type of town

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that we've talked to. They credit some of the music

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teachers that they had in their high school with being

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very influential on teaching them about musical theory and exposing

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them to different artists and composers that really influenced how

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they play.

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Speaker 1: Once they got together, they changed their name to Public

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Affection and they played songs by the violent femmes are

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Em You.

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Speaker 4: Two and Brian Adams Nice. He said their heroes were

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you two. After reading The Unforgettable Fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a story on that actually, but I

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think we need to move on to the next song first.

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This is song number two on the album one you

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might have heard of called selling the Drama.

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Speaker 7: In Fine and tubern the crowd that has a name.

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Speaker 3: So obviously a lot of religious symbolism going on here.

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To love a God and to fear a flame, obviously

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in reference to Christianity and God and hell. To right

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or wrong is in the Hindu tradition, to meeker strong

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as a play on the attitudes of Jesus and then

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scream it from the wall, the wailing wall from the

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Jewish faith. So he's got all kinds of stuff going

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on here. He really had gotten into a philosophy at

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the time that he was writing these songs, by a

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guy named Krishna Mirtis. The idea was that behind this

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philosophy that this guy had was that you shouldn't be

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worshiping in an individual. You are surrounded by things that

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should impact who you are and find out the truth

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within yourself instead of looking out to others. This was

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back when he was eighteen years old and writing songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this song was the first single released February ninety four.

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And when I say single, it wasn't really a single.

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was the first song released to radio stations. Once again,

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in order to drive outBut them sales, they did not

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release physical singles.

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Speaker 5: Drama eight million times.

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Speaker 4: Good point, good point they did.

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Speaker 1: This reached number one on the Modern Rock charts and

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number forty three on the Hot one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you mentioned that this hit number one of

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the Modern Rock charts, and it didn't even hit the

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top forty on the Hot one hundred.

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Speaker 4: It only got to forty three.

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Speaker 3: So, inspired by my friend Jason Colvin, I thought, well,

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let me go see what the top ten was. That

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this thing only made it to number forty three, and

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my mind was blown, and not in.

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Speaker 4: A good way. All Right, you guys ready for this.

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Speaker 1: This is the top ten that is blocking this from

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getting up there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, keep going right, So number ten, if you go

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by John Succata, huh, all right? Number nine functified by

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de Brat number eight, back and forth by a Leah.

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Number seven, Can you Feel the Love Tonight by Elton John.

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That's the first one of a newer of hope right

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there right, okay. Fantastic Voyage by Coolio at number six,

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and number five, Don't Turn Around by Ace of Bass,

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the song that made me want to claw my ears

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off in nineteen ninety four, Oh My Gosh. Number four Anytime,

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Any Place by Janet Jackson.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 3: Number three Regulate by Warren g and Nate Doggre You Go.

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A memorable song, but not something that should have been

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forty places ahead of this song.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Number two Stay by Lisa Loeb and Nine Stories and

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at number one in its tenth week at number one.

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I swear by all for one, there was something wrong

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with the listening public or with the Billboard Hot one

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hundred in this time. I don't know what was going

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going on, but there's no way that those songs should

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have been in the top ten. And this one only

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hit forty three ten weeks at number one. At least

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ten weeks. This was just the tenth week it may.

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Speaker 4: Have gone on. I wow, No, I I spent there,

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but it's it was there a long time.

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Speaker 3: So back to you too, obviously you two had a

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bunch of religious symbolism as well. If you want to

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go back, was that season one that we did Yeah, yeah,

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so way back in season one we covered you two

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with Joshua Tree. Fantastic episode. I love it, as I said,

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it's one of those albums too. But nineteen eighty seven,

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Ed goes to a concert with a friend of his

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and it's you two they played, They paid sixty bucks,

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went over to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, watched from the nosebleed section,

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and he was so impacted that as they walked away,

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he said, I'm going to do what Bono in that

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band does, or I'm going to die try it.

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Speaker 4: That's cool. I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then of course he gets Unforgettable Fire, shows

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it to the rest of the band and they all

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are if they feel like they're reading their own story

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when they read this, they read that book.

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Speaker 4: That's great. Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 1: This was recorded at the same studio as Nirvana's in Utero,

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kind of a big deal at the moment. And this

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music video is the last one we have where Ed

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has long hair.

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Speaker 4: He looked like Benny from Vinnie and June.

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Speaker 3: He looked he had the he had the long hair,

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he had the John Lennon circle glasses. Yeah, and he

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had that hat and trench coat like Johnny Depp from

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Bennie and Jine.

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Speaker 1: And then he just buzzed it all off. So now

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he's he's mister clean right, he's cubeall well, he had

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rattail there for a while, it was buzzed except for

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the rat tail. I forgot about the rats, which which

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apparently he kept, like I guess once he cut that off.

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Finally he was like, I'll get this to the wall. Nice, nice,

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rad What do you what are your thoughts on this song?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's another one of the great ones.

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I mean, it's such a good song. It hooks you in,

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and a lot of these songs, this is one in particular.

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I feel like Ed's voice almost acts like an instrument.

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You know, he can go to so many different ranges.

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He can go high, he can go low, he can

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scream with the best of them. But if you've kind

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of listened everything behind the instruments, you still hear his

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voice and it's, like I said, it's almost like an

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additional instrument in the band. And I think that's one

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of the things that really hooked me on Live to

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begin with, was just the musicianship was such at a

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high level, and his voice is just, you know, incredible.

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He has such a dynamic voice that the only guy

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that I think compared to him that came around after

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That was Brent Smith of Shinedown.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's move on to the next song

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on the album, song number three. This song is called

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I Alone Not.

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Speaker 7: These Things You Agree sing in two.

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Speaker 8: Church Ba.

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Speaker 3: This one hit number six on the Modern Right Rock Tracks.

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I've played both at the Woodstock ninety four festival that

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we talked about when we talked about Green Day and

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the Mud Slinging.

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Speaker 4: Yep, so Collective Soul what we're going to talk about

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next week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Collective Soul was there selling The Drama was actually

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the first song on the first disc of the Woodstock

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ninety four double disc set. So obviously they were doing

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well at the time, so well that they invited them

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back for Woodstock ninety nine where they played this song.

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Speaker 6: Tole you thereby seting.

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Speaker 4: Nice nice.

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Speaker 1: I read that this song there are elements of this

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song that is based on Luke Chapter eight, verses twenty

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two through twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I listened to him talk about composing the song. He said,

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you know, the lyric came into his head of it's

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easier not to be wise, and he just like he

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was like, wow, that just kind of summed up this

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really big thing. And then later he came up with

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the I sank into Eden with you, and he's like, gosh,

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these you know, I'm really happy with these lyrics, but

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obviously they don't rhyme. So he did the same thing.

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He did the same thing that Mutt Lang and def

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Leppard did when they're writing Pour some Sugar on mean.

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He scattered some lyrics and that's how he came up

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with and measured these things. By your brains alone in

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the church, by and by.

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Speaker 5: Well and then, like I said earlier, this is the

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first song I ever heard by live and just such

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a good song. And there's so many different changes in tempo,

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and it's one of those songs you know, it's up

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there with me, like with Stairway to Heaven and you

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know Tom Sawyer and whatever else Hotel Coller It it's

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a perfect song. It really is in all aspects. Wow

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song on the album, but it's it's that kind of song.

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It had to me. It has that kind of reach.

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Speaker 3: For our listening audience who doesn't know Brad as well

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as we do. Putting it up next to Tom Sawyer

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is a big deal. He's literally wearing a Rush T

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shirt in front of us right now.

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Speaker 1: That's Hot Praise, despite being their third out. They did

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not have any money when he wrote this, Like his

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dad knew a guy who had a barn that they

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could live in, and so that's when he wrote this song,

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living in a barn in the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 4: He was I alone.

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Speaker 3: So I sent you guys a link today as I

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was driving over here to record.

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Speaker 4: I wonder what that was for a restaurant?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So cause I was listening and I was wondering,

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I was like, huh, I wonder if this is still

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a restaurant around, but the name what of the restaurant is?

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Because it's still there. Grand Falloon's Tavern there in York, Pennsylvania.

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They started this band when he was thirteen years old.

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At fourteen years old, he got a job as a

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dishwasher there and continued to work there because he he said, like,

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I needed money to buy a guitar, and so he

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continued to work there through the time that they released

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Metal Jewelry. Like, He's like, we still didn't have any

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money by the time Metal Jewelry came out, so I

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was still working over there. So she's, you know, from

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fourteen to twenty one whatever they were when metal Jewelry

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came out. He was working over at Grand Fluon's tavern.

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Speaker 4: We need to go there. That would be cool. Yeah,

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awesome place to visit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before we move on from this one, if it

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were not for one particular memory with a song, this

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would be my favorite. So this is my second favorite

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song on the album.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you pointed the religious imagery in here.

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Obviously it's throughout the songs, but just for the one

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you mentioned the part in the Bible. It's the lyrics

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of the song is you'll need them. Your boat is

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at sea, your anchor is up, You've been swept away,

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and the greatest of teachers won't hesitate but to leave

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you there by yourself, chain to fate. That is all

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about the moment that Christ was out in the walking

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on the water and Peter went out to him during

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the storm. All right, yep, So that moves us on

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to the next song on the album. This one is

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called Iris.

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Speaker 7: Alone, just like yesterday song, said Simon tu.

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Speaker 6: Always.

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Speaker 4: I love the intro to this song.

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Speaker 3: I love the fact that we just went from Bible

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versus to a blowjob. I like the way my hand

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looked on your head in the presence of my knuckles.

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I like the way my hand looked on your head

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in the presence of my struggle. Well, I don't think

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there's really any doubt about what we're talking about in

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that scenario.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he is a young man, So there you go.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Now what's interesting is he does then still again throw

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it back to the Bible. He says, the Felix of

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your truth will always break it. This is a reference

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to Antonius Felix in the Bible, the guy who is

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so tired of listening to Paul talk about Jesus that

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he put him in jail. This is that's that Felix

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that he's referred to.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 1: This is another song that was performed at Woodstock ninety four,

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which I have a feeling we're going to talk a

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little bit more about next week.

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Speaker 5: I'm fighting the roverbial of Doc Martin. This is my

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favorite song.

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Speaker 1: Oh spiking the Doc Martin.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I always like this when he just has

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go back to the tempo changes and I mean it

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slows down, it kicks back up, and it just rocks

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out at the.

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Speaker 9: End of the song, and I've just always loved it.

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Speaker 8: Fa Wow, say remember We're listening to that whole album

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through the first time, and it got the song and

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we were only four songs in.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what else did they call them this album

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that could be even remotely good? Little did I know?

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The rest of the entire album's good, but this has

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always been one that stuck out for me. I always

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loved the song, my favorite for sure.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Yeah, I love this song. And you know, unsurprisingly,

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this is yet another band who has cited the Pixies

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as an influence to them, and obviously this is that

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same Let's be quiet, Let's be loud, Let's be quiet, Let's.

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Speaker 4: Be loud moment.

478
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: I can't I can't get over how good the guitar

479
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:35,039
riff sounds on this with the powerful stop dunt stop.

480
00:23:35,319 --> 00:23:37,960
It's an amazing song that doesn't sound like anything that

481
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960
we've heard on the album so far. They're using those

482
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,559
twelve notes the way they should.

483
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,559
Speaker 1: All right, move on to my favorite song on the album,

484
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:47,920
the song that was huge the summer of ninety five.

485
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: That song is called Lightning Crashes.

486
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,759
Speaker 7: Gosh Mother.

487
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: So Ed wrote this song on an acoustic guitar in

488
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,759
his bedroom, in his brother's bedroom actually, just before he

489
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,519
moved out of the house. It was dedicated to a

490
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,440
friend that they had in school named Barbara Lewis, who

491
00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:32,880
was killed by a drunk driver in nineteen ninety three.

492
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,640
But she had donated her organs and her liver went

493
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,519
to save the life of a ten month old baby.

494
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,319
Now you watch the video on this one, which is

495
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,799
absolutely amazing, and you think it's all about the loss

496
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:49,559
of a child in childbirth. But Ed has said, now,

497
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:51,880
what he had really envisioned on this was a hospital

498
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,720
where in one room you have an old person who

499
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:57,279
is dying, and then in another room a new life

500
00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:01,200
is being born. This goes back to the philosophy of

501
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:05,640
Krishna Murti that he had followed of living life from

502
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:12,000
a place of selflessness and humility and finding the truth within. Now,

503
00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:16,920
what happens ultimately with this song is something surprising and

504
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,640
a weird coincidence. I'll let Jason tell you about.

505
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 7: That angel closes.

506
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 6: The confusion that.

507
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 7: Belongs no baby Dona Long.

508
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,519
Speaker 1: So on April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, the Olklahoma City

509
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:45,359
bombing occurred. Something strange happened. There was a DJ in

510
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,359
Oklahoma City who took this song and added like news

511
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,160
clippings and sound clips and created a version of this

512
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:57,559
song with all of those, with President Clinton speaking and

513
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:02,920
victims talking, and for me, it went viral around the world.

514
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:05,119
I'm surprised that not as many people knew about it

515
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,079
as I did, but it was a big, big deal

516
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,440
in Oklahoma City, and I was living in Norman, which

517
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,559
is about twenty miles south of Oklahoma City at the time.

518
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: One of these you feel your chase us out of

519
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,880
our chairs onto the poor.

520
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 5: It could have come caving in on me at any

521
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,000
any point in time, but I never gave that one thought.

522
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: I'll never want to look at anything like that again

523
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:30,960
in my life.

524
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,039
Speaker 5: This moment, she's been of the forty one children who

525
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:37,640
had been enrolled in the daycare center.

526
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,839
Speaker 4: Some of them were burned beyond recognition.

527
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: I allowed my three year old daughter, unbelievable sangy ovens here.

528
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 5: Some of myself said that couldn't look down at the children.

529
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:53,599
Speaker 7: They were carrying colors resents the sun.

530
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,079
Speaker 1: I remember that day incredibly well. Me and my two roommates,

531
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,519
Ericmatorier and Cameron Eckert, rushed to Oklahoma City to give blood,

532
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,079
and Cameron and I, because of our blood type had

533
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,400
so many people up there to giving blood, they wouldn't

534
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,319
take us, but my friend was oh negative. They rushed

535
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,039
him right to the front of the line and you

536
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,480
could still see the smoke from the building. And it's

537
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,319
just one of those weird events in your life where

538
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,039
this catastrophic event happens and then a song in popular

539
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,200
culture attaches itself to that event. And to me, these

540
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,720
things are just totally inerlate. So every time I hear

541
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,200
of this song, it just makes me think about all

542
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:50,440
those people who lost their lives.

543
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,519
Speaker 3: Incredible stuff. So here's the interesting twist on things. And

544
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,640
they talked about this, like the guys in the band

545
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,319
were kind of mystified. They described it as surreal to

546
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,960
have this heartbreaking event be connected to something that they wrote.

547
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,279
But as you mentioned early on, this album was released

548
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:10,759
in April of ninety four. It had been out for

549
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,599
over a year. Whenever the Oklahoma City bombing happened, it

550
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,799
had started to decline in sales. By May sixth of

551
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,480
ninety five, just two weeks after the bombing, it was

552
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,880
the biggest selling album in the world. And I have

553
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,880
no doubt that it had something to do with that

554
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:31,799
connection to the Oklahoma City bobbing.

555
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,039
Speaker 4: You want to hear the top five that week? Sure?

556
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,920
What was the top five on May fifth, nineteen.

557
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: Ninety four, So that I found that totally incredible as well,

558
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640
like it jumps back to the number one spot.

559
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

560
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: So number five was Me Against the World by Tupac.

561
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 4: Albums Alcocking Albums.

562
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm talking albums best selling albums for the week of

563
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,400
May fifth, nineteen ninety five. Number four was the Lion

564
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,400
King soundtra okay, which was huge, right right. Number three

565
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,000
was Cracked for a Window by Hooti.

566
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: And the Blowfish. I had it its massive.

567
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: Number two was The Friday Soundtrack Okay, and then number

568
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,920
one was Throwing Copper.

569
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:05,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

570
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: By the way, this song did not have a physical

571
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,640
single release, so based on airplay alone on radio stations,

572
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,799
it reached number twelve on the Hot one hundred. Pretty incredible.

573
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,319
It was number one on Modern Rock charts for nine

574
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:25,759
weeks and was the third single an incredible and one

575
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:26,759
that still gives me chills.

576
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,839
Speaker 4: Brad, what are your thoughts man? Now?

577
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 5: You're just talking about that anything I didn't reize there

578
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,200
was that connection there. I've always loved the song, but

579
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,400
I guess about six seven years ago actually went to Oklahoma City,

580
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,720
went to the Bombing Museum, and I remember when we're

581
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,039
sitting in there and they're playing I guess the meeting

582
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,680
they're having the water department next door or whatever, and

583
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,079
you could hear the bomb go off and everything just

584
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,200
goes quiet, And I mean it literally just sends chills

585
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:51,839
up and un file And No, it's not really related

586
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,079
to the album, but I can imagine living there at

587
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,079
the time and having that created that connection to that

588
00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,960
song has to be something that will never leave. Even

589
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:04,200
going to that museum and you seeing all the empty

590
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:08,160
chairs out there outside and all that. I can't imagine.

591
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:08,880
I really can't.

592
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: My good friend Roman was working at the University of

593
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,640
Oklahoma Health Science Center as a hospital area where they

594
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,079
trained students and they you know, to be doctors and

595
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,160
nurses and stuff. And he said when it went off,

596
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,839
he looked out and every doctor like on campus plus

597
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,480
students was racing on foot to the building.

598
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: Incredible.

599
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Billboard ranked Lightning Crashes as the

600
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:34,720
seventieth biggest hit in the history of mainstream rock charts. Okay,

601
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,319
I hate to move on so quickly from this one,

602
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,240
but next song on the album is called Top.

603
00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 7: Is Not helping Me at All in the name of

604
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:02,720
God and the distribute.

605
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so right after a song where we mentioned the

606
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,039
word placenta, we have a song about Hitler.

607
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: This song is about Hitler. They mentioned Hitler in it.

608
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:17,359
Speaker 1: Oh, Hitler in a robe.

609
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 5: Of truth, like he had to come out several times

610
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,359
and say I'm not a Nazi Hitler.

611
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you shave your head to the album, come,

612
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:28,319
you got some splaining to do.

613
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

614
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: So this one has again some more deeply philosophical lyrics

615
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,839
in it. I mentioned, did I mention that the producer

616
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,039
on this one is Jerry Harrison from Talking Heads? No

617
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:43,119
you didn't, Okay, So the producer he did Metal Jewelry

618
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,519
as well, right, And so when they first found out

619
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,799
that they were going to get a producer, they all

620
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,680
they said, is a guy from Talking Heads and he

621
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:53,640
adds like David Burn, Yeah, the only guy that I

622
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,319
know from Talking Heads, and he's like, oh no, not him. Okay,

623
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:58,880
he plays the keyboards all right? Cool, But as it

624
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480
turned out, they hit it off very well. They would

625
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,279
they would go have lunch and talk about their philosophical ideas,

626
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,400
and that highly influenced his writing of a lot of

627
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,680
these songs. But Jerry at the time was also a

628
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:15,880
rock star, and so in ninety three he gets them

629
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:20,519
backstage to Nirvana. In there in Utero tour, we mentioned

630
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,039
this album is recording the same place as and you're

631
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,799
they're excited. You know, they're still just kids who haven't

632
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,920
made it yet and they're getting to go listen to Nirvana,

633
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,559
who were a big influence on them. They go backstage,

634
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,440
they go into the dressing room, which he described as gigantic,

635
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,920
as opposed to the ones at CBGB's Plywood, right, he said,

636
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880
But when he got in there, it was just Dave

637
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,279
and christ that was it. Like they were looking at

638
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,960
some pictures. They were really interested, and they keep waiting

639
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,799
around for Kurt. And then it was like, well, I

640
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,720
guess he's not going to come. And he's He's like, okay,

641
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,519
well we need we got to go. The show is

642
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:55,079
going to begin. He's like, okay, I got a pee

643
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,359
real quick. He goes to the bathroom, he's taken a piss.

644
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,720
Somebody steps up next to him and all he turns

645
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,960
and looks and it's Kurt Cobains.

646
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:03,359
Speaker 4: He said, he's on there.

647
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,839
Speaker 3: He talked to him for a half a second and

648
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,079
then he knew he's going on stage. But before he

649
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,200
sees him on stage, he sees him curled up in

650
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,759
a fetal position, like on the side of the stage

651
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:13,599
before they go on, and he's like, oh my gosh,

652
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,480
there's something wrong with this guy. They go out in

653
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:18,440
the audience and he said it's the best show he's

654
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,000
ever seen in.

655
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,079
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Yeah, I want to hear

656
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:22,839
that conversation.

657
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,279
Speaker 4: What's up, dude, Hey.

658
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:26,559
Speaker 1: Eyes on the peace spot.

659
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,119
Speaker 4: Okay, this is the first.

660
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,599
Speaker 1: Song where I'm like, Eh, this one really didn't do

661
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,119
it for me. I mean, you got killer Killer, Killer Killer,

662
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:37,039
And then this one's like, it's less amazing as the

663
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:38,960
rest of the songs on the album, but I still

664
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,640
love it. I yeah, absolutely love this song.

665
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,839
Speaker 5: It's a good song, but when you compare it to

666
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,079
the ones that you know proceeded, it's, you know, it

667
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,680
doesn't quite have the teeth that that one do, but

668
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,519
like you know, he just said, it's still a great song.

669
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: The next song on the album is called all Over You.

670
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 7: I love like what ben in you?

671
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,519
Speaker 3: Gosh, They're so good, these are these songs are so

672
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,280
freaking good, and this is as close as we get

673
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,079
to a love song from Live so far. Listening to

674
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,920
Ed Talk, I got almost the exact same story that

675
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,239
we got from Billy Joe Armstrong. He had somebody take

676
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,320
him to a r EM concert and he would listen

677
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,519
to the Cure and Husker Do and was like, Wow,

678
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,119
these guys are writing lyrics that are not just your

679
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,199
standard I love you lyrics. These are songs with lyrics

680
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,920
with something behind them. This is the kind of music

681
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,199
that I want to write. And so that's how we

682
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,119
get this. But even with his love songs like he's

683
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,280
he almost sounds angry when he's singing these lyrics, but

684
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,199
it's so powerful what he's putting out there.

685
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 6: For us.

686
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: Fourth single on the album, released December of ninety four,

687
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,800
This reaches number four in the Modern Rock Charts, number

688
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,360
two on Mainstream rock charts.

689
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,119
Speaker 4: This is a banger. I love it.

690
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:33,559
Speaker 5: It's a great song. I think a lot of people

691
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,639
when I was reading thought it was about prostitution. It

692
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,480
said lay me down, pay me now, you know, And

693
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:41,880
that's kind of hard not to draw that same conclusion.

694
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,800
But then you listen to ed Talk about it and

695
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,360
you realize it's a little bit more than that. But yeah,

696
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,440
it's a great song. It's said right up there with

697
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,360
the rest of them. It's no, they're just great song

698
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,400
to rock out too, and they just keep going.

699
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 4: I thought that too.

700
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: So we got we got Bible verses, we've got blow jobs,

701
00:35:58,519 --> 00:35:59,559
we've got prostitutes.

702
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,199
Speaker 5: You gotta Hitler.

703
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,519
Speaker 4: Well, I don't forget Hitler and.

704
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:06,079
Speaker 1: Hitler right list senses right. But he did say he

705
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:07,800
said he wrote this song when he was about what

706
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,559
twenty one. He said that this is the first time

707
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:14,039
in their life where everybody was now really interested in women,

708
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:17,800
and he said it kind of broke up their boyhood solidarity.

709
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,800
This song was used in The X Files in season

710
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,519
three shout out to Deaf David. Also used in the

711
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:28,320
movie Love and Sex starring Jon Favreau and fam Key Jansen.

712
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,599
Speaker 4: Okay, Majors, I might check that out.

713
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,159
Speaker 1: Anything else on this one, Brad?

714
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 7: Nope?

715
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,079
Speaker 1: Okay, hit stop on your tape player, kick it out,

716
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:38,119
flip it over ver side two, and the next song

717
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:38,960
is called.

718
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: Are we allowed to say the name of this next song?

719
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,400
With our PG thirteen audience?

720
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,159
Speaker 4: Down weavers leave up.

721
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 7: The street from me.

722
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: Back.

723
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,199
Speaker 6: They leave down the street.

724
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:06,079
Speaker 3: For me, so Ed said after they released this song,

725
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,480
they were not very welcome in their hometown anymore.

726
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 4: What what what are you talking about?

727
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, apparently he lived down the street from the

728
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:16,760
Weavers and up the street from the crackheads, but it

729
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,079
was okay because nobody mowed the grass and you couldn't

730
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:19,760
see him anyway.

731
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: I heard that he wanted to use the cleavers.

732
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: Like like June and like Ward like the Beef.

733
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they couldn't get permission to do that. But

734
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,360
I did hear that he said from the stage, don't

735
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,559
ever go there, Do not ever go unless you like

736
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,599
York peppermint patties or Harley Davidson's.

737
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I like both of those. Yeah, sure

738
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:41,840
I could do that.

739
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't really I like

740
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,159
this song. I just don't really like the I don't

741
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,400
like the sentiment of trashing your hometown too much.

742
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

743
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,599
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but maybe you had a good hometown

744
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,800
and grow up yeah like my hometown. Yeah, you didn't

745
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,199
grow up next to the smokestacks of the big factories

746
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,480
in town and live down the street from the craw kids.

747
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: I lived down the street from Mazio's pizza sounds so

748
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,800
much much better.

749
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,639
Speaker 4: It was nice, It was nice. Okay.

750
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 3: So here's the story on how they got out of

751
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,559
the shit town. Okay, yes, all right. So they started

752
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:16,119
playing local gigs and they ultimately, you know, they they're like, hey,

753
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,440
we're doing well enough, we should start charging people at

754
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,400
the door. They charged four dollars ahead, four dollars ahead. Yes,

755
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,239
sold out a four hundred seat club and had to

756
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,199
turn people away because it was they had gotten so

757
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,599
big locally, right And of course, now I say locally,

758
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,960
like they they lived in York, which is a two

759
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000
hour drive from just about anywhere you want to go,

760
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,280
like New York City, Washington, DC, all that other stuff, right, okay,

761
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,599
And so they're like, hey, we need management, and they

762
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,880
wanted this guy named David Cystack to be their manager,

763
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,360
but he wouldn't take their calls. He was like, I

764
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,280
don't know who you are, Stop bugging me, blah blah

765
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,599
blah blah. So Chad Taylor, the guitarist, daddy steps in.

766
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,760
Chad Taylor's dad calls up David Cestack and says, listen

767
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,360
your are they going to listen to these guys or

768
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,159
you're going to make the biggest mistake of your career. Wow,

769
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,400
And that was enough to get him to listen. Like

770
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,000
helicopter Dad came in and made things happen. And when

771
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,039
David says, Dak listened to him, he was like, you

772
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,079
know what, you guys are good, but you need an album.

773
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,039
Speaker 4: So what do they do? This is great.

774
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:23,159
Speaker 3: They sold junk bonds to their friends and family for

775
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,239
an interest in their first album. Oh my god, for like,

776
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,840
you know, one hundred bucks apiece or whatever. They're selling

777
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,840
an interest, which of course nobody ever got paid anything

778
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,960
from this course. But they raised ten thousand dollars to

779
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:40,079
make their first album, which was the Death of a Dictionary,

780
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,920
when they were still under the name they had before,

781
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,119
which was Public Affection. They pressed about two thousand copies.

782
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,039
That's kind of hard to find now, the Death of

783
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,400
a Dictionary. But it was a great success, and so

784
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,239
they're like, Okay, let's see if we can give this

785
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,800
band thing a go. Now Ed had a scholarship to

786
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,639
American College. They were like, we'll pay for your entire

787
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,320
tuition everything, and he said, I deferred it for two years.

788
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,119
I said, we will give ourselves two years to make

789
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,719
it as a band, which is the same story that

790
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,519
we've already told with Weezer.

791
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 4: Weezer, Yeah, a scholarship. Yeah.

792
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,519
Speaker 3: And fortunately in that two year time period they did

793
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,320
very well. The Death of a Dictionary got a Washington

794
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,119
Post review where the writer said they may be able

795
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,639
to take over the modern rock scene from U two

796
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:32,440
and ra em Wow. That gets them gigs at CBGB's,

797
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,679
which gets them funding from a record company named Giant.

798
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,519
They did a demo with Jay Healy and then Jay Heey,

799
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,960
by the way, produced John Mellencamp. But then once they

800
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,960
had the demo, Giant didn't like it so much, but

801
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,840
Radioactive Records did like it. They signed the band, had

802
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,239
them change their name to Weity Toity I guess, and

803
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,079
they literally drew the name live.

804
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: Out of a hat.

805
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how that is like the worst

806
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,199
name of a band. I'm serious because when you google it,

807
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,679
you know, you type in live lightning crashes, you know

808
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:05,639
what You're going to get a bunch of live versions

809
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:06,679
of lightning crashes.

810
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:11,639
Speaker 3: Well, maybe, just maybe. Back in nineteen ninety four, like

811
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,159
fifteen years before Google existed, they didn't have the foresight

812
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,400
to know would be searching for their their songs on YouTube.

813
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:20,639
Speaker 4: That's Fair, That's Fair.

814
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 5: Its first live Parentheses band.

815
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: By the way, you know who else went to American University?

816
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:27,199
Who's that? Catherine Colvin?

817
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,519
Speaker 1: Really she went one semester yep. Wow, she could have

818
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:35,480
gone with ed culture all right. Time to move on

819
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,079
to the next song on the album. This one is

820
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,400
called TBD.

821
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:09,039
Speaker 3: No Losing Good, Reaching Forward then this is like a

822
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,119
break song. This is like we've been hitting you hard,

823
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:14,199
hitting your heart. Okay, now we're gonna give you something mellow.

824
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,519
And first lyrics in this song are in the moment

825
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:20,360
I was losing my head, reading too much and losing

826
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,679
my head, and I was reaching forward. I was already there,

827
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,320
reading too much and losing my head. This information caused

828
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,599
a cut in the line. Now I'm remembering God and

829
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,360
reading too much. This is in reference to the author

830
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,320
all This Huxley, who wrote A Brave New World, who

831
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,760
was a staunch atheist, who's while he was on his

832
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,320
deathbed and on a morphine drip, his wife read him the.

833
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,119
Speaker 4: Tibetan Book of the Dead. That's why we have the name.

834
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 5: I've always liked this song. I love the bass intro.

835
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,800
It's just kind of slow it's kind of relaxing. But

836
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,559
it's just a very smooth intro to this song, and

837
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:57,880
it's a total departure of everything else that's on the album.

838
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,519
But it's a really really good song.

839
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: Could easily be on the Makeout List of nineteen ninety five.

840
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,960
This is a smooth you know if you're if you're

841
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,679
in the pool room at two eight m this song

842
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,000
comes on and the girl is still checking you out.

843
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:12,639
This is where you go over and start talking.

844
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 4: I can see that.

845
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,199
Speaker 1: I can see that, Okay, moving on to the next

846
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:34,119
song on the album. That song is called Stage. This

847
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,639
is a crowd slammer. This is a mosh pit song.

848
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is them doing punk rock, which

849
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,679
is Ed's voice might just be too good for punk rock,

850
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,079
but man, it's a banger for sure.

851
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 5: Well from one extreme the other after TBD exactly. If

852
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,960
I had to pick one song that's probably my least

853
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,360
favorite on there, it's probably this one.

854
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 4: You're not a punk rock guy though, no.

855
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 5: I'm not a punk rock guy, so that's just kind

856
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,119
of a little bit too much like that. I don't

857
00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:58,920
hate it, but when you compare it to everything else

858
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,039
in the album, it's if it's a skipper. This is

859
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:01,800
the one for me.

860
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:04,039
Speaker 4: So lyric in the song.

861
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: He was a rock and roll messiah and she was

862
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,280
known for her child care. You guys remember when Courtney

863
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,360
Love admitted that she did heroin while she was pregnant. Yeah,

864
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:18,199
that's these two lines are about Courtney Love. Then Kurt

865
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,480
Cobain ironically released the month he commits suicide.

866
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,639
Speaker 4: Interesting. Yeah, I love it.

867
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:27,199
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes me the song more interesting to me.

868
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the.

869
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: Moment in the concert when Brad and I are going

870
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,119
to go get drinks. I'm jumping in the mach Do

871
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:35,719
you guys enjoyed the mash bit? Yeah, you guys, thirsty

872
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,760
I did hear. I thought this was a great quote.

873
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Ed Kualchek said, at thirteen years old, they believed that

874
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,280
they were going to rule the world. And he said,

875
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,199
right before they had to go to college. They landed

876
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,519
that record deal which we talked about, right. Yeah, so

877
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,920
they made a video for five thousand bucks and he

878
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,440
couldn't believe it, but MTV put it on smacked between

879
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,079
Michael Jackson and Madonna.

880
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:00,119
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so that one.

881
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 3: Radioactive Records ends up producing Metal Jewelry, their big hit.

882
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:06,519
Speaker 4: If you want to call it that.

883
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: I mean, his big hit on college radio was called

884
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,239
Operation Spirit because college radio played it and MTV had

885
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,960
it in pretty high rotation. That album sold five hundred

886
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,039
thousand copies. That's that's not too bad.

887
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: That's gold Man.

888
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not too bad for the first album under

889
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,920
a different name. But these, I mean, these guys, you know,

890
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,000
I read something. This is twenty twenty four report that

891
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:34,159
credits this album as the beginning of the post grunge movement. Okay,

892
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,119
I didn't really you know, I hadn't really thought about

893
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,920
that before. But like with grunge, you've got a lot

894
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,119
of nihilism and angst, and so what is the post

895
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,599
grunge reaction to that? Well, if we're talking about this,

896
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,760
it's spiritualism and hope for joy, Like that's really the message.

897
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,039
I mean, he's got some intellectual messages behind his lyrics

898
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,079
that are more promising and hopeful than what we've had

899
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:55,639
in the past.

900
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the next song. This song is

901
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,400
called Waitress.

902
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 7: Behind the Bitch down Onside, she was a bitch. Change

903
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,000
is good enough. Change Todd's got.

904
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: Fam So this is a little less deep than the

905
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:29,920
fast song.

906
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,119
Speaker 4: It's a been all right, guys, hear me on I

907
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:32,880
got a great song.

908
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:36,599
Speaker 1: It's about tipping your waitress because everybody's good enough for

909
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,199
some change.

910
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 4: Listen at the time that I was listening.

911
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,559
Speaker 3: At the time that I was listening to this album

912
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:44,840
on heavy rotation on my CD player, I was working

913
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,559
as a waiter, and so I loved the song.

914
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,559
Speaker 4: I loved it.

915
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,119
Speaker 3: She's got a funky bread in her hair. I was

916
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,280
just like, oh, yeah, I know that girl. She is

917
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,119
an f and bitch, but leave her some change. Because

918
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,360
here's here's what you know as a waiter. If somebody

919
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,239
leaves you change, that is to say, much less than

920
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,599
the standard fifteen to twenty percent at the time, right,

921
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,760
That means they didn't forget to tip you. They just

922
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,679
thought you sucked.

923
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,159
Speaker 4: Take this home for me, Brad, what are your thoughts

924
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:13,519
in this one?

925
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:15,119
Speaker 5: I was a waiter when this song came out, too,

926
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,119
and waiter a college student, and we've all been there.

927
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,039
You know it did it just because that's what they do.

928
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,559
But then you know, I preserved the change. But yeah,

929
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,559
he'd had mints words in this song at all.

930
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he was thinking of somebody at the tavern

931
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:34,920
that he worked at New York, Pennsylvania Grand Faloons, Grand Falloons,

932
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,199
which I really want to go visit now, I really

933
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,599
want to go.

934
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about York Patties all day. I just

935
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,800
want to meet this waitress because I'm sure she's still

936
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,079
working there. Hey, everybody's good enough for some change, all right?

937
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:48,039
Were ready for the next one?

938
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 5: Moving on?

939
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: Next song on the album is called Pillar of Davidson.

940
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 7: Modiza zoom on on Machines that can on be Magma.

941
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,159
Speaker 3: This is a beautiful song. To me, This song puts

942
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:32,480
me in a very calm and easy mood. And it's

943
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,920
another song about their hometown, but a little a little

944
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,800
kinder this time.

945
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,639
Speaker 5: To me, it's one of the more underrated songs on

946
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,760
the on the album, and it took me a while

947
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,519
to warm up to it because it's so slow at first.

948
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,239
But then it's in the chorus and it's a little

949
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,199
bit you know, more up tempo, brighter, I guess you

950
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,039
could say. But yeah, I've always liked this song. It's

951
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,320
a really really good one. It doesn't buried kind of

952
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,559
deepen the album. Not a lot of people talk about it,

953
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:57,599
but it's a really good song.

954
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: So I mentioned earlier that everybody pretty much in the

955
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,519
town worked at one of two factories, one making Harley

956
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:09,280
Davidson parts, the other one making caterpillars. That's how we

957
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,760
get the name of the song, Killer of Davidson.

958
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think about that. I didn't know it

959
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,719
either until Ed turned me on. I was like, ah,

960
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,159
that's actually that makes me like it more pretty creative.

961
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,079
I did like his quote on this one.

962
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: Ed qua Check said, it's a song that you can

963
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,920
sing and maybe feel a little bit less lonely.

964
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: Dig it Yeah, love it. Wow.

965
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: So of note, if you had the vinyl, if you

966
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,440
were still buying vinyl records in nineteen ninety four and

967
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,079
nineteen ninety five, you didn't get this song. I had

968
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:43,840
the CD, so I got this song, but this was

969
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,559
not on the vinyl pressing of ninety four.

970
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 4: Were people buying records in ninety four? I don't think

971
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,119
anybody was hard Well I guess I was. Yeah. Cool.

972
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,159
Moving on to the next one. The song is called

973
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:55,000
White Discussion.

974
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 6: Okay.

975
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:16,199
Speaker 1: This is the fifth and final single on the album.

976
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as the disciples of this disenchanting discourse continue

977
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,280
to dampen the day, that's solid songwriting right there.

978
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:25,519
Speaker 7: Guy.

979
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: That is awesome.

980
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,519
Speaker 5: It's just kind of a cocin clan political correctness. It's

981
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,199
a good one. It's another one just like the one before.

982
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:33,800
It's kind of very deep in the album, but it's

983
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:35,119
such a really good song.

984
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 9: Yeah.

985
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 5: He really put a lot of time and thought into

986
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,880
those lyrics. I mean, not many people can pull off

987
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,480
that and make it sound good.

988
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: This is my favorite song on side too Nice. Yeah,

989
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,840
I really like this one. You know, he samples that

990
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,559
Colorado speak, that Colorado preacher. Yes, who was delivering you?

991
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,440
I prepared you delivering a sermon on the end of

992
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,760
the world. And Ed recorded him just because he liked

993
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,519
his voice. Yeah, Sam Kennison, Yeah, you know right. This

994
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,639
song was used in the movie Virtuosity nineteen ninety five,

995
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,079
starring Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe.

996
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,159
Speaker 6: At the viral.

997
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,079
Speaker 7: Sunset rush here and the clock is fine.

998
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,519
Speaker 4: I missed that one. It's kind of a junk science

999
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:31,159
fiction movie.

1000
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,559
Speaker 3: Okay, well let me ask you if did you guys

1001
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:37,280
see Fight Club? Yes, So, as I'm watching Fight Club

1002
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,880
in the theater, there's a scene where they're Helena Bottom,

1003
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,360
Carter and Ed Norton are talking in a little diner

1004
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,440
and a waiter comes up and as I'm watching the movie,

1005
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:51,000
I'm like, ah, that looks like the lead singer Alive

1006
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:51,679
right there.

1007
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: And I'm so turn to my date. I'm like, is

1008
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,119
that the lead singer of Live? And she's like, I

1009
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:55,880
don't know who that is.

1010
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,599
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, that really And it took years before

1011
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:01,280
I finally figured it out because we didn't have IMDb

1012
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,519
or anything else like that. And finally I confirmed it. Yes,

1013
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,679
that is Ed Kowalcik playing the part of the waiter.

1014
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,039
Now I got the full story behind it, all right.

1015
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,400
So he moves out to LA He's the only guy

1016
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:17,280
in the band that moves from Pennsylvania out to LA

1017
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,519
But he's out there being his rock star and he

1018
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:23,840
he has a friend who is a talent agent named Sean,

1019
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,960
and so they go to dinner one night and he's

1020
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:27,920
joking around with Sean and he's like, Hey, I'm a

1021
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,920
big rock star. Now you should get me into a movie.

1022
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:33,320
By the way, his only acting experience was playing Captain

1023
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,159
Hook in his school production of Peter pant and It's Buddy.

1024
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,239
Sean is like, are you serious, and he's like, well, sure, yeah, whatever,

1025
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,320
you know, No, not really but okay. A couple of

1026
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,559
days later, Sean sends him the script for the movie

1027
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,360
Fight Club, and he's like, would you be interested in

1028
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,079
being this? And he said, I read it and was

1029
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,679
blown away at how good it was. I bought the

1030
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,119
book and read that and was blown away at how

1031
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:00,639
good it was. And so he's like, I don't know

1032
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:02,280
if I'm going to get this part or not, but

1033
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,960
I got to audition for this part, right, So he

1034
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,960
goes to audition for the part, and as it turns out,

1035
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:11,199
David Fincher, who he loves because he loved the game.

1036
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 4: David Fincher is a big fan of the band Live.

1037
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,159
Oh that's cool and so yeah.

1038
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,679
Speaker 3: So the part that he was supposed to get, there's

1039
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,920
a scene where like this car attendant it keeps spraying

1040
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,239
people as they walk by on the sidewalk trying to

1041
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,840
inside a fight. And one of the guys he sprays

1042
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,440
is this preacher and that was originally who Ed Qualtchik

1043
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:34,519
was supposed to play. But David Fincher was like, no, no, no,

1044
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:36,559
I want you to have a talking part, and so

1045
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,119
he gives him this part of this waiter and I

1046
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:40,719
don't think he says much more.

1047
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:41,519
Speaker 4: Than you know.

1048
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: He's like Helena Bottom Carter orders of the soup, and

1049
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,800
Ed Norton is like, just the clean ones. And he's like, then,

1050
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,119
may I suggest not that soup? Right, that's right, Yeah, whatever,

1051
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,360
I'll have the clam chowder, the fried chicken with a

1052
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,960
baked potato with everything and a chopa.

1053
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,079
Speaker 7: Scompie clean food please in that case, sir, may I

1054
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:03,199
advise against the lady to eating the clem chok.

1055
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 4: No clem chow or thank you.

1056
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:09,079
Speaker 3: So he says he gets the part, and David Fincher says, Okay,

1057
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,239
have you seen The Shining.

1058
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,639
Speaker 4: He's like yeah, he says, go watch it again. Look

1059
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:13,440
at the bartender.

1060
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 3: I want you to be the bartender from The Shining

1061
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,679
when you're playing this waiter that's obviously a member of

1062
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:20,480
the fight club.

1063
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,079
Speaker 1: Wow, great story, man, I remember that part of the

1064
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:25,119
movie now that you bring it up.

1065
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think there's rumors out there that he

1066
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,639
had gotten the part because Brad Pitt was a big

1067
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,199
Live fan, But he said, I never even met Brad

1068
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,159
Pitt because the way he.

1069
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: Was in the scene.

1070
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: He said that scene, that small little scene they shot

1071
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,320
for fourteen hours because David Fincher won't edit as he's going.

1072
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,119
He just shoots the whole scene over and over and

1073
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,480
over again, like fifty times. And he said he spent

1074
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,639
most of the time hanging out with Helen A. Bottom Carter,

1075
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,960
smoking cigarettes and she's like, so, how do you like acting?

1076
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,199
And he says, I like being in a band.

1077
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1078
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1079
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 3: When they finally got to see the movie, like before,

1080
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,239
everybody else is him, his buddy Sean and meat.

1081
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: Loaf and meat Loaf who has a part in that movie.

1082
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,199
Speaker 4: His name was Robert Paulson. All right.

1083
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: Last song on the album. This song is called Horse

1084
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:12,800
two three four.

1085
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 7: All the Things They make You. We know that Jay.

1086
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,559
Speaker 4: Dude pulling out the country on this post grunge. Yeah,

1087
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,800
I love it. Steal guitar in there, man, I dig it.

1088
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 5: It sounds like the song you put it in an

1089
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,800
album that sounds like this has closed it off or

1090
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,559
it's gonna play something little different, kind of like Van

1091
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:47,000
Halen used to do with their you know, happy trails

1092
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,880
on that kind of stuff. That's what it reminded me of.

1093
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,599
It's it's a cool little tune. I think James and

1094
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,000
them should cover it since Hidden Tracks will be covering

1095
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:56,840
a hidden track that'd be a great.

1096
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 3: Perfect hidden tracks James Buckley and a Hidden should cover

1097
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,599
this hidden track of Horse.

1098
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,079
Speaker 1: This sounds like a song that Sandro What's her Face

1099
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:07,719
should have played at the end of any which way

1100
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:08,000
you can.

1101
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:10,119
Speaker 4: This is so much better than anything.

1102
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,159
Speaker 3: I remember when we're covering Huey Lewis in the News

1103
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:16,679
and they ended with a Hank Williams song and you

1104
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,360
were like, why am I listening to this? I want

1105
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,800
to go back to the beginning, and you know, I

1106
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,599
want a new drug and I'm like, no, dude, this

1107
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,079
is good.

1108
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 4: This is showing the range here.

1109
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: By the way, we talked about how Live played Woodstock

1110
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,119
ninety four YEP along with Green Day, and we're going

1111
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:33,039
to talk about Collective Soul next week Friday, August twelfth,

1112
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:37,400
nineteen ninety four on the North Stage Live then Kings

1113
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:43,159
x Cheryl Crow, Collective Soul, Candlebox and Violent Fems Nice.

1114
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,039
That's a pretty solid day right there.

1115
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 3: So interesting that you bring up Candlebox because here's what.

1116
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,159
Here's the post release album, right we get a few

1117
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,599
more albums after this. I really like the album that

1118
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,880
came after this, Secrets Somandi. About that album, I loved it,

1119
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,199
but not nearly as much as I loved this one.

1120
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:06,440
But after they put out a few albums, eventually something

1121
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,519
goes wrong with these guys that have been playing together

1122
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:13,199
since they were thirteen years old. And basically they fire

1123
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:18,239
like Chad Taylor, Patrick Dalmer and Chad Gracie fire ed

1124
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,119
qualchik from the band.

1125
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like the main composer, yeah, of all

1126
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,000
the songs.

1127
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: And that was really what it was about. I think

1128
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,679
he was like, hey, you know, can I get like

1129
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,519
a songwriter? You know, bonus here? Since I really am

1130
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,960
the guy that's writing and singing all of this. I mean,

1131
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,559
I've got the melodies, I've got the lyrics. They just

1132
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:36,760
push him out of the band.

1133
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,519
Speaker 4: They're like, we didn't like you in the eighth grade. Right. Well,

1134
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,039
as it.

1135
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: Turns out, like some other things happen, and it kind

1136
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,960
of I kind of got the impression that maybe it's

1137
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,280
Chad Taylor kind of pushing the other guys around a

1138
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,719
little bit. I looked like he had some sort of

1139
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,960
bad business deal that he got sued over for misleading

1140
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,679
the person about his net worth. And Chad Gracie, the

1141
00:57:56,719 --> 00:57:58,920
guy who was playing drums and with him since he

1142
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,400
was thirteen years old. Was like, he's just a liar

1143
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,360
and there's really not much I can do to back

1144
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,039
him up when he's obviously irrefutably lying in this scenario.

1145
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,440
So I think maybe Chad Taylor kind of tried to

1146
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,280
push him around. Now they stuck together, and they partnered

1147
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,760
up with Kevin Martin and Sean Hennessy from Candlebox, and

1148
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,440
they formed a new band called The Gracious Few. Okay,

1149
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:25,480
I don't know that they had anything that was really

1150
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:28,000
that good, and obviously that one kind of fell apart

1151
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:31,119
after a while. But then Ed gets back with the band.

1152
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,239
Ed gets back with the.

1153
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,159
Speaker 1: Band, and he somehow wrestles the majority of the ownership

1154
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,639
of the band away, and the first thing he does

1155
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:39,679
is fire Chad Taylor.

1156
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then not long after that, the other two

1157
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,400
guys are out too. They're like, we're out here. Yeah.

1158
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,360
The band that is now live is just Ed and

1159
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:48,320
three other guys.

1160
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: When you write all the songs, man, you got all

1161
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:50,880
the power.

1162
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. He was telling a story.

1163
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,119
Speaker 3: Jason and I were listening to a story just before

1164
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:56,760
we started recording, where he got a call they were

1165
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,199
doing some very big show and their drummer had slipped

1166
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,079
on a banana peel basically, I mean it was really like, wait,

1167
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,360
are you serious? I mean this sounds like a joke.

1168
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Slipped on a banana peel. No, he slipped on a

1169
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,480
banana and broke his arm, which is important for a drummer.

1170
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,760
You gotta have your arms unless you're Rick Allen. Right, Well,

1171
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,480
apparently that's what the drummer did. Like, they had some

1172
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:20,840
other guy come in that was really good, but like

1173
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,000
they put two drummers up on the stage and their

1174
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,800
regular drummer played with one arm like Rick Allen, while

1175
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,320
the other one was kind of a backup Phil Nice.

1176
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:31,880
I don't know how it worked out, but I guess

1177
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,599
they had a good show.

1178
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 4: I love it. Rick Allen the thunder God. Yeah, Brad,

1179
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,239
what are your final thoughts on this one? Man?

1180
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,039
Speaker 5: I mean, like I said earlier, it's one of my

1181
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:43,199
favorite albums of all times, top top five for sure.

1182
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,239
I mean, wow, yeah, this album album is obviously their best.

1183
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,599
I mean it's just it's solid the entire way through

1184
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:52,639
start to finish. You know, any day I don't have

1185
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:54,480
to be in any particular movie like to listen to it.

1186
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:55,760
Very very good album.

1187
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,199
Speaker 4: I like this album too. I do think it's top heavy.

1188
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: I think the front side is really really strong, and

1189
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,360
I think it falls off on the second side, but

1190
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,480
there's some game changing bangers on the front side.

1191
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,599
Speaker 4: Can't argue with that. Yeah, Like Brad said, this was

1192
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,039
this was the one that was on a top list

1193
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:14,079
of albums for me. I love it. I couldn't.

1194
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,719
Speaker 3: When we very first started talking about this, and we've

1195
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:19,840
been talking about covering this album four years, it was

1196
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:23,079
it was going to be this one up against Collective Soul,

1197
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:27,199
the Blue Album, And it was only upon realizing, oh hey,

1198
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,960
Dookie came out in ninety four, Oh hey, sixteen Stone

1199
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,559
came out in ninety four, Oh my goodness, Weezer came

1200
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:34,639
out in ninety four, and then it was just a

1201
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,679
waterfall and we had to just pick five, right, and

1202
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,320
so we went with these five. I'm anxious to cover

1203
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,400
Collective Soul, and then I'm really anxious to do the

1204
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,000
top five of nineteen ninety four.

1205
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be an epic episode.

1206
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,239
Speaker 5: I'm ready to listen to that Cluck of Soul episode

1207
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,559
as well. They're one of my favorites during that time too.

1208
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:53,599
I actually got to go see them because it's three

1209
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:56,800
years ago. In Mississippi. They opened for Sticks and that

1210
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,960
was both of the bands were incredible. That was a

1211
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,320
great show. Tommy All came out and played with Collective

1212
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,960
Soul for a couple of songs and fun a really,

1213
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:04,639
really good show.

1214
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 4: Well you saw them with Jay Hudson. I did because

1215
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,360
at the River wind Right I saw them about this

1216
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,559
time last year. Yep. Nice, nice Brad. Thank you for

1217
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:14,960
being here. Man, I hope you had a good time.

1218
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 5: I did, Man, thanks for having me on. As always,

1219
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,679
I enjoyed it great.

1220
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,159
Speaker 4: Can't wait to talk next week. Collective Soul