WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.759 It's now for the beginning of the big show, Big hour. 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.679 Did we go age before beauty or beauty before age? 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:09.279 That's for you guys to decide. 4 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:12.519 Bowlers on the road with the jazz, and I wish 5 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:15.199 I was looking across from me in the studio to 6 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:15.599 see the. 7 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.239 Handsome face of Gordon Monks. 8 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:19.719 And yet he joins us via telephone today, Gord, where 9 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:20.640 you at, buddy. 10 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:25.199 I'm I'm at home in the middle of writing a column, 11 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:28.440 So that's where I am. And by the way, if 12 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:31.879 we're talking about handsome faces when it comes to Spence 13 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.799 check its if it comes to bowler Jack, I'll take 14 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:36.679 third place there. 15 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.359 Oh, don't do that to yourself. I believe you said. 16 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:41.719 What'd you say when you're in your prime? You really 17 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:42.439 had it going on? 18 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:44.240 Is that? Was that the old Monson. 19 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.960 Line he has about thirty years ago? Maybe forty? 20 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:50.479 All right, well, all right, fair enough, fair enough. 21 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.920 First of all, when it's Utah BYU week, when it's 22 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.320 Rivalry week, does it bring back the memory of when 23 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:01.359 you caught the touchdown pass over Danny ainge it? 24 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:05.040 You know that is in the back of my mind. 25 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.200 You know, I do think about that at times. A 26 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.319 moment of glory and then Amsia, you know, patting me 27 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.599 on the back saying, hell of a catch here. So 28 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.000 I mean, I do have that in my memory, but yeah, 29 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:19.319 it doesn't really apply. 30 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:22.480 Well, I mean, if I remember correctly, If I remember correctly, 31 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:24.439 you both were in your prime. He jumped as high 32 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:27.359 as he could, but you claimed you out jumped him 33 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:29.239 and snatched the ball from his hands. 34 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:29.640 Is that right? 35 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.239 That's you have a great memory. I'm telling you, because 36 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:36.840 because as the ball was spinning in the air, we 37 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:42.280 both jumped up and we both caught the ball. We 38 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.640 both caught. There were four hands on that ball, and 39 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:49.239 I ripped it away from him, you know. And that's 40 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.680 the way it happened. And look, I promise you this 41 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:58.519 is not some fabrication, some embellishment. It is the absolute truth. 42 00:01:58.599 --> 00:01:59.040 Trust me. 43 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.879 Did the alarm wake you up right after the catch? 44 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:04.879 Did you hear the alarm sound so you had to 45 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:05.480 get out of bed? 46 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:11.319 I'm just curious, I'm just curious. Well, I swear to 47 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.319 you if that is a true story. 48 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.759 Okay, all right, well moving on, moving on. Well we'll 49 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.759 give you that one, Gord. So let's just get right 50 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.960 down to the crux of the thing, like, the bottom 51 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.360 line is, if both teams do on Saturday what they've 52 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.159 done all year long, it feels like this is a 53 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.360 pretty easy BYU victory. The line is now three BYUS, 54 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:37.639 a three point favorite. It opened up at five, it's 55 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.280 moved down to three. But you've covered as many of 56 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.639 these as anybody I could talk to on the radio today, 57 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.319 So you know as well as anybody the craziness probably 58 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.400 will ensue, because it usually does. The last time BYU 59 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.400 was won by more than ten was ninety six, and 60 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.120 I think the last time they won in saw Lake 61 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:55.879 was way back in two thousand and six. I may 62 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.680 be incorrect there, but what's your gut tell you about 63 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:00.159 what we're in for Saturday night? 64 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:05.479 I would expect I agree with you, first of all, 65 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.599 if both teams play to their potential, BYU wins this game. 66 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.199 And that's something that if you had ask me before 67 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.360 the season, or even at the start of the season, 68 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.199 beginning in parts of the season, I would have I 69 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.719 would have thought a different way. But as we've seen 70 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:23.800 what the evidence in front of us, b YU is 71 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:28.840 a superior team. Now. The rivalry game brings all kinds 72 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:33.479 of different things into play. Foremost two things come to mind, 73 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:38.120 emotion and motivation. And if U tak and play at 74 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.199 the top of its game, and BYU, because it has 75 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:46.719 more to lose, comes out with nerves jangled and you know, 76 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:52.560 making mistakes because they have in their mind if we 77 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.400 blow this opportunity, man, we're blowing a lot and they 78 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:02.120 could lose this game. That's why anybody who lays too 79 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.280 much money on a game like this, I think is 80 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:05.080 making a mistake. 81 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:07.199 Oh, I wouldn't touch the line. 82 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.159 I've told people all week, like, don't touch the thing, man, 83 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.840 because you have no idea how it's going to play out. 84 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:13.800 All right. 85 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.680 The bottom line is this, The data indicates the numbers 86 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:18.680 indicate Utah And you. 87 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.120 Know what, you don't have to look at numbers. You 88 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:21.079 can just watch the game. 89 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.480 The last time Utah was dynamic offensively was the first 90 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:27.879 half of the Baylor game when Cam was under center. 91 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.920 Since then, and look, they went up to Utah State, 92 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.199 they hung thirty eight on the aggis all due respect 93 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.120 to our friends, you know in the North, it's just 94 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.519 not a great litanus test. Oklahoma State's the worst team 95 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.800 in the conference and they've lost four straight and over 96 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.439 the four game losing streak. The offensive numbers are anemic, 97 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:47.639 near to near the bottom of the conference, some near 98 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.759 bottom of the country, so we know that, you know, 99 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.959 it's going to be Brandon Rose or Isaac Wilson. I 100 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.439 guess they're splitting reps coach WIT's going to join us tomorrow. 101 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:56.800 We'll see if we have an update there. 102 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.720 And I honestly don't know that it matters who's under 103 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.279 center between the two because we just haven't seen enough 104 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:04.120 from either to indicate that this is going to be 105 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:07.319 somewhat of an explosive offensive team all of a sudden. 106 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.319 So for me, Gord, if Utah wins, it feels like 107 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:12.279 it's going to be one of those thirteen to ten 108 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.160 three nothing right, Like one of those games where defensively, 109 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.600 where the numbers indicate Utah is still very good, they're 110 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:21.560 going to have to try to limit BYU. But I 111 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.199 just they haven't scored more than twenty four points against 112 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.600 a P four team. It feels like if Utah gets this, 113 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.639 it's one of those trenches. You know, stop the run, run, 114 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.360 you know, run the football, control time of possession, and 115 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.959 they win a very low scoring game. That's where I'm at, 116 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:37.079 Give me your thoughts on it. 117 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.160 Yeah, I agree, Utah has been pretty good at time 118 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.920 of possession, but they just have not been able to 119 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:47.560 take advantage of scoring opportunities. And this has been much 120 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.759 on the mind of Kyle Whittingham. They're inefficiency in the 121 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.160 red zone. That's been a real problem for that team. 122 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:58.839 That's why I think that if BYU makes mistakes that 123 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.519 enable say Utah's defense to score touchdown or something along 124 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:07.040 those lines, then in a low scoring game. And I'm 125 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.920 not sure it's going to be low scoring on BYU's inn, 126 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.759 but it certainly could be what you fashioned it to be. 127 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.519 You know, those kinds of turnovers could make a huge difference. 128 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.040 The problem for the Utes is that BYU has been 129 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:26.399 much better getting turnovers and having a turnover margin in 130 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.800 their favor than Utah has been, and that stems to 131 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.639 all kinds of things. I mean, you could trace that 132 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.360 back to Kyle has said that the team has not 133 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:37.680 been as physical this year, and I think that's been 134 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.120 obvious to anybody who's watched, and so they haven't caused 135 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.519 those turnovers. BYU, on the other hand, has and so 136 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.319 the very thing that the Utes need to have in 137 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:51.399 their favor in order to give themselves a legitimate chance 138 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:54.720 is the thing that BYU has thrived at, not the utes. 139 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.920 So to underscore that point, the stat that probably has 140 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:00.959 hit me across the face. 141 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:01.560 More than any other. 142 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:06.959 On Monday, I read that BYUS outscored their opponents sixty 143 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:11.040 nine to ten off of turnovers, which is nuts. They've 144 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:14.079 allowed one touchdown all year off of turnover and one 145 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:19.199 field goal. So what's the combination of way to go, 146 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.240 tip of the cap. That's awesome and that can't continue? 147 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.000 Right Like, it's a little bit of both. What are 148 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.000 your thoughts on that stat, which to me underscores everything 149 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.439 they've been doing as far as causing turnovers and making 150 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.680 sure that they stay clean and if they do, they 151 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.000 don't allow a lot of points. 152 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:36.839 What does that say to you? 153 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.639 Yeah, it comes down to a coaching cliche that we've 154 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.439 heard a thousand times, and that is clean execution. If 155 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.160 the youths can do that. And I think because Kyle's 156 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:51.720 been hitting this hard about being more physical, he's telling 157 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.720 his team and to utilize the fuel of the emotion 158 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:01.639 to play physically with the rival. Now, that can either 159 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.279 work in their advantage or it could work to their disadvantage. 160 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.319 If they get too hyped up and they start leaving 161 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:12.439 their assignments and trying to do too much, that could 162 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:16.040 be a problem. But if they're able to play physical 163 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:19.839 Utah football to do what b what to do to BYU, 164 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.040 what BYU has done to so many of its opponents 165 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:26.720 this year, that gives them a chance to flip that script. Now, 166 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.800 whether they can do that or not, or whether they're 167 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.800 capable of doing that, I don't know. And that's talking 168 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.480 about defense. On offense, they're going to have to take 169 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:36.480 care of the ball for the very reasons that we've 170 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:39.559 been talking about, because BYU has been so good at 171 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:44.200 pressuring the quarterback and then grabbing interceptions or taking advantage 172 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:47.840 of weird plays that put them in scoring position and 173 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:50.679 allow them to build up these big leads that they're getting. 174 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.360 The US are scoring twenty two points a game, and 175 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:57.159 that includes the earlier success and the success that you 176 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:03.600 mentioned against Utah State, as BYU's averaging what thirteen fourteen 177 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.519 points more than that per game, and so that's got 178 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.919 to be changed in order for the youth stev a shot. 179 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.399 The other thing BYU does really well well. They do 180 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.240 a lot of things really well, but this year, they're 181 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.120 starting fast out of the gates, and they're starting fast 182 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:18.039 out of the locker room. 183 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.480 Their first and third quarter splits. 184 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:23.840 Are insane, and I think if you're a ute fan, Gord, 185 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.600 I think the concern is the ability to come back 186 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:29.279 from a big deficit. So to me start and this 187 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.320 is not We're not, you know, breaking news here. The 188 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:34.159 start of the game is going to be so key 189 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:37.679 because if BYU comes out and they have two really 190 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:40.480 good drives and suddenly it's fourteen zero and Utah can't 191 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.799 move the football, that will allow a Rod to really 192 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:47.480 change his game plan to basically kill out the clock 193 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.000 and not allow Utah the oxygen because I just don't 194 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.000 think Utah can come back now if it's like three 195 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.799 to nothing after one, and it is that kind of 196 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.200 dogfi that we dissected, I think you fan should feel 197 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.440 pretty good. But what do you make about just simply 198 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.360 how important it is for both teams to start well 199 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:08.799 and then once the emotion of the rivalry kind of dissipates, 200 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.799 you can get back to the meat and potatoes of football, 201 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:13.600 because you know that stadium is going to be crazy loud. 202 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.919 Yeah, I concur with everything that you just said. There's 203 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.080 not much more to say about it. I do believe, 204 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:25.799 and that's why Utah's defense has to be at its 205 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:30.399 best because if it, if it limits BYU offensively and 206 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.240 then you have a tight game, then those nerves that 207 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.200 we talked about before. B why's a very confident team 208 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.120 right now? I mean they think they deserve to win 209 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:42.159 and they think they will win. Now if Utah goes 210 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.240 out and what what did Mike Tyson say? Everyone has 211 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:47.240 a plan until they get punched in the head. How's 212 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:48.120 that that saying? 213 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.200 Punched in the mouth? But you you're nearly there. 214 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.360 So so if that's what the youths are able to 215 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.600 do to BYU, then they start to go, wait a minute. 216 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.399 You you look at you look at BYU through all 217 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:04.399 its season, after games, it's been all hyped up and 218 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.360 we win. Nobody beats us. You know, it's all that 219 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.200 talk that they seem to have been able to conjure 220 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:15.000 amongst themselves. But if Utah limits that to them, suddenly 221 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.879 by You's looking at each other going, wait a minute, 222 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:20.759 this isn't. This isn't what we expect. If this isn't 223 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.039 what should be happening. And when you put a team 224 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:27.240 in that position. Suddenly, that confidence may sheer away a 225 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.799 little bit, especially when you're playing in a building like 226 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.600 White Ecls. And I know the Utes haven't been grited 227 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:37.039 on their home field, but in this kind of emotional atmosphere, 228 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.080 that could give the Utes their best chance if they 229 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.279 can rattle the Cougars and not make mistakes themselves. If 230 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.360 the Utes make mistakes, then they're in for a long, 231 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:50.720 long night. Yeah. 232 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:55.440 In the past, you have confidence in Cameron Rising and 233 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.919 Andy Ludwig, and you know, say they lose the turn 234 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.440 say the turnover battles minus one or maybe even minus two. 235 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:03.960 In the past, you had an offense that could make 236 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:07.480 up for some of those mistakes, or a more opportunistic defense. 237 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.879 They could find diamonds where you didn't even know that 238 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.200 they were looking over there, with pick sixes and scoops 239 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:17.799 and scores and big game changing plays by Clark Phillips 240 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.440 and Devin Lloyd and Eric Quad and the list goes 241 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.559 on and on. But the problem is right now that 242 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.200 offense isn't good enough to make up for stubbing your 243 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.720 toe more than once or twice, and for all of 244 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.960 the metrics that indicate Utah's defense is really good in areas. 245 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:33.919 They're the number one scoring defense in the Big Twelve. 246 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.600 They're among the best in the country at both first 247 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.000 and third down. What they're not doing is creating havoc 248 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.360 plays and turnovers and the offense can't move the ball. 249 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.759 Like the margin of error, to underscore your point for 250 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.080 Utah's mistakes is razor thin. 251 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.720 If they want to win this football game, how. 252 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:53.159 About this for an idea, Kyle Wavingham telling his team, man, 253 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.519 this is what you guys are going to do. We're 254 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.399 going to throw the ball here and there, but we're 255 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:01.039 going to go out and play physical, off offensive football. 256 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.360 That offensive front go out, hit these guys, create space, 257 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.399 allow us to run the football, and allow us to 258 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.519 burn time off the clock. If they're able to do 259 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.799 that and sustain drives, which they haven't been able to 260 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:18.519 do really and haven't been able to capitalize on those drives. 261 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.919 If they can do those two things, and those are 262 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.960 big ifs, I get it. But if they can do 263 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:27.240 those things and then the defense does enough to nick 264 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.879 up Jake Retz laugh and make him a little bit 265 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:33.720 nervous or make him a little off his normal timing 266 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.159 a little bit, you know, keep those receivers under control, 267 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.720 then again, that works the huge advantage. The problem is 268 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.080 actually executing it, and I'm not sure whether they can 269 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.639 do that, but I would be shocked if this was 270 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.840 like some sort of wipeout. That speaks to what you 271 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.840 were talking about before. If the Cougar's get a big lead, 272 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.480 then I think the game is going to be over 273 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.440 unless they just get so full of themselves. They're just 274 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.480 doing stupid things on defense and they let let off 275 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.559 the gas a little bit. But if you talk and 276 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:09.840 keep it close and run the football and do it 277 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.840 in a physical banner that puts by U in a 278 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:17.159 situation where they go they're uncomfortable, they're they're not used 279 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:23.120 to that in that particular environment, then I think things 280 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:25.480 could go the youth's way. But that's a whole lot 281 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.960 to ask and I'm not sure whether the youths could 282 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.679 pull that off. I think they can, but whether they 283 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.039 will that, uh, that's very much And well. 284 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:36.200 It's back to where we started. 285 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:39.519 If both teams continue to do what they've done so far, 286 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:41.840 there's a chance that this is a blood death. And 287 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.639 you know like that, we only can go off of 288 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.879 the data that we have. I mean, you try to 289 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:49.559 predict things in a business like this, and you're going 290 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:50.559 to be wrong a lot. 291 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:51.679 And as we've talked. 292 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:55.000 About, I've been so wrong about this Utah football team 293 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.039 that it is going to take some sort of random 294 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.639 Burton block, Scott Mitchell coming out of no where, you know, 295 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.480 John Why, Jason Shelley with a big comeback, like all 296 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.960 of the crazy rivalry memories we have should give youth 297 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.960 fans confidence because this game is different than other games 298 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.639 on the schedule. But what we've seen so far simply 299 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.440 is BYU is a much better team almost all the 300 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.039 way around. But let's dig into a little bit, Gordon, 301 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.960 your opinion on what that stadium is going to look 302 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.480 like on Saturday night, because it has become a narrative 303 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:27.799 that's gotten a little out of control. There are online 304 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.080 ticket outlets where you can look and kind of see 305 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.519 what's available, and it's hard to tell whether or not 306 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:35.120 BUYU fans or snatching up all these tickets that a 307 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.720 lot of youth fans seem to be selling. I have 308 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.759 a hard time believing there's gonna be a ton of blue. 309 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.080 I do think youth fans will show up. I mean, 310 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.759 in a way, this is going to be potentially the 311 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.399 most important game on the schedule for the rest of 312 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.480 the season for Utah football. Even if they go to 313 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.399 a bowl, it's gonna be somewhat meaningless. The only thing 314 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.600 worse than playing in a throwaway bowl game is not 315 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.799 being eligible for one. So this is massive for Utah 316 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.159 to show the community maybe one time this season that 317 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.440 they are who we thought that they could be. So 318 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.279 what are you hearing in your vantage point from your 319 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.799 vantage point about you know, fan attendance. I know there's 320 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:16.639 a lot of anxiety and nervous feelings by youth fans, 321 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:19.480 But do you think we're going to see a good 322 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.960 portion of blue in saut Lake on Saturday night. 323 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.000 I think we'll see more blue than is typically the 324 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.080 case in these rivalry games. But youth fans are going 325 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:32.440 to show up. I mean, I think they are worried, 326 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.480 but I think they're going to show up and they're 327 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.440 going to pour the same emotion that they always do 328 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.960 in this particular game, you know, and if the youths 329 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.399 can feed off of that. But the youthes have to 330 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.360 give the crowd, you know, they have to give them 331 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:50.200 encouragement that hey, they're not wasting their time and it's 332 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.039 for instance. Okay, So one of the things that I 333 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.240 think will be really interesting to see is, uh, will 334 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:02.080 j Hill I'm sorry, will Morgan Scalley pressure Jake Rhtz left? 335 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.000 And how much will he pressure him? How much will 336 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.039 they try to get those big plays that you're talking about, 337 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.240 force those kinds of mistakes in order to do that. 338 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.680 If they let Jake Retz left sit back there and 339 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.279 peruse the field and get the ball to the right 340 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:20.200 place or to the right player for the right reasons, 341 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.559 then they're gonna lose this game. If they disturb him, 342 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.519 if they make him jumpy, then you know, he might 343 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.680 flash back to some of the things we saw a 344 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.400 year ago where he'll he will make mistakes, and so 345 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.519 is Morgan scally gonna be willing to do that? And 346 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.000 if he does do it and they get sacks, then 347 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.519 what happens? The crowd erupts and the emotion is there, 348 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.680 and the big plays are made and the Youthe fans 349 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.200 are feeling pretty good. If it doesn't happen and BYU 350 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:51.559 is as comfortable as it's usually been or almost always 351 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:55.599 been this season, then that that's not gonna work. So 352 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:58.240 the crowd has to work in the huge favor, But 353 00:17:58.359 --> 00:17:59.880 the utes have to feed that beast. 354 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.480 Yeah, I mean, there's been kind of a I hate 355 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.960 the term narrative, but that's kind of the right term 356 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.519 to use with this one. There's kind of this narrative 357 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:15.359 that's gone on around the marketplace here about how docile 358 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.799 that crowd has been this year and how uh you know, 359 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.119 it doesn't feel like it typically has over the past 360 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.039 decade or so to rise cycles. But you've got to 361 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:25.359 give them something to cheer for. You can't the muss 362 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.720 is always going to be the muss. But if Utah Football, 363 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.240 if they're players and coaches want to see this crowd 364 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.759 and hear this crowd the way it typically is, they've 365 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:35.799 got to feed them. Man, you can't expect them just 366 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:37.680 to go crazy if there's nothing going on. 367 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:41.160 So if the use make mistakes, it'd be why you 368 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.960 build that early lead that you're talking about, what's the 369 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.359 place going to look like? What I mean, what kind 370 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.759 of advantage that the youths usually or typically would have 371 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:56.039 that's going to dissipate? And then so really, I know 372 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.519 the youths want to depending on their crowd to really 373 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:00.960 give them a boost. But as you said, they have 374 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.599 to give my reason, and if they don't give them 375 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.200 that reason, then the place is going to get quiet 376 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:07.880 real quick. 377 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.240 You want to give us a little tease for the 378 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.200 column you're writing right now for our friends of the. 379 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.920 Trip, Well, I've written. I've written a couple of columns. 380 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:20.160 You know. I don't learn my lessons very well sometimes, Spence. 381 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.759 But I have the fifty things that are bound to 382 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.759 happen in this game, and I've got that written, and 383 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.759 I think that'll be either tomorrow or Saturday, I'm not 384 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:38.440 sure which, But I pick a stab at predicted specific 385 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:42.240 things that will happen in this game. And I got 386 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:44.480 to tell you, as I've done what you said, and 387 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:47.400 what you've been doing all week and before that, probably 388 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:51.519 studying the stats, looking at the numbers, looking at the record, 389 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:58.400 look examining what's happened in previous weeks, I don't see 390 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.720 a lot of practic coal reasons to pick the youth 391 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:05.599 still win. Now, in that same breath, I'll say that 392 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:09.160 is it possible that they can win? Yeah, it is possible. 393 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:12.839 But things that haven't happened very often this years aren't 394 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:16.039 going to have to happen against a team that is 395 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:18.920 playing really out of its mind. 396 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:24.119 What does it mean for Arsenal if Nick Kushing decides 397 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:24.640 to go to the. 398 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:32.920 Gunners disasters disasters, that's catastrophic. Yeah, I just think that's 399 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:34.759 something I think cannot allow to have. 400 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:38.920 Well said I Concur. All right, my friends, Well I 401 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:40.960