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Speaker 1: Steve Hayward, John You and power Lines International Woman of
Speaker 1: Mystery Lucretia Got.
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Speaker 4: Welcome everybody to the Three Whiskey Happy Hour. This is
Speaker 4: a very special edition of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour,
Speaker 4: even more special than every special edition is special. And
Speaker 4: I'm working on my chemalisms because it's we are recording
Speaker 4: on Halloween, not my favorite holiday in the world, in
Speaker 4: the world, but I used to like it when the
Speaker 4: little children came in their costumes to the door. We
Speaker 4: get a ton of children, but they're all middle school
Speaker 4: and above. Now it seems like and I think all
Speaker 4: the nice couples with their little ones and the strollers
Speaker 4: take them to trunk or treat somewhere at their church
Speaker 4: or something, you know, because just not all that. They
Speaker 4: do something in a parking lot and everybody comes and
Speaker 4: fills their trunks with candy, and you go around and
Speaker 4: I guess I've never been to one, but it seems
Speaker 4: to be popular, and I will tell you guys, it's
Speaker 4: kind of interesting. Really quickly, there were a lot of
Speaker 4: Mexicans who showed up to trick or treat in my neighborhood.
Speaker 4: I mean, not very far away from Mexico, but I
Speaker 4: don't ever recall that being the case. A lot of
Speaker 4: U and driving in cars down the street coming out
Speaker 4: because the cars are at the houses a little bit
Speaker 4: far apart here. And yeah, that was, I mean not
Speaker 4: even speaking English kind of thing. So anyway, I made
Speaker 4: it through, and I'm wondering if you guys were drinking
Speaker 4: what I was drinking. It certainly wasn't smokehead high voltage.
Speaker 4: I lay whiskey, Steve, is that like thatfy seven proof
Speaker 4: something like that, which is pretty high for whiskey.
Speaker 3: No, fifty seven is low.
Speaker 4: Yes, get one hundred and fourteen proof.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mix them up.
Speaker 4: But Ghosted Reserve twenty six year old. It is a
Speaker 4: blended whiskey, which okay, I know, I know for us purists,
Speaker 4: but but here's the thing. It's called ghosted. Ghosted whiskey
Speaker 4: is whiskey, blended whiskey that's made with casks of whiskey
Speaker 4: from distilleries that are no longer in business. Oh, and
Speaker 4: there's there's three or four of them that are supposedly
Speaker 4: very famous and very expensive. So for Halloween, we were
Speaker 4: celebrating ghosted whiskey. What are you guys drinking?
Speaker 3: I just had wine because I was out to dinner.
Speaker 2: So we're still trying to work off this will it
Speaker 2: which will take me forever?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was waiting to start to pour it. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 4: It pours nice sound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what are you going to talk about? I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, there is a lucretia, you know, the end
Speaker 3: of a bad basketball game. The announcers say, well, we're
Speaker 3: into garbage time, and that's come back to me this week, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, sorry, hey.
Speaker 4: Don't get ahead of me here. I got stuff to
Speaker 4: talk about. That's actually that is next. I know, one
Speaker 4: last thing about Halloween. Three little girls I'm guessing they
Speaker 4: were eight to nine year old. They were triplets. Wow,
Speaker 4: they show up dressed like garbage collectors. Anyway, what do
Speaker 4: you guys think? The last thing I saw on the
Speaker 4: TV was that Trump. You know, this was one of
Speaker 4: Trump's stupid stunts. He actually got in a It wasn't
Speaker 4: it wasn't his garbage truck, you guys. Yeah, and he
Speaker 4: didn't actually drive it because he doesn't have a license
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell whether those those tweets were serious or
Speaker 3: whether there are people mocking the media for, you know,
Speaker 3: complaining about he didn't really work in Bcgonalds. You know,
Speaker 3: it's hard to tell these days. How do you tell
Speaker 3: satire from the real thing anymore?
Speaker 4: It was one of them was in political and was serious?
Speaker 3: Really? Oh god?
Speaker 2: Well, although this is That's another reason it's a genius move.
Speaker 2: Because now every time some liberal says he's committing an
Speaker 2: OSHA violation, I'm sure except another vote in Pennsylvania, we.
Speaker 4: Should probably fry just a little context for any reader
Speaker 4: who might have, you know, been in a coma for
Speaker 4: the last four or five days. What a crazy four
Speaker 4: or five days it's been up until Halloween. The so
Speaker 4: at Trump's rally at the Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 4: It started out with some comedian who made an off
Speaker 4: color joke about Puerto Ricans. Everybody makes jokes about Puerto Ricans, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, well, you guys, but.
Speaker 2: It was an unforced erar, that's right, Like that probably
Speaker 2: because Trump, because you know, if Trump gave a really
Speaker 2: good speech, it might have been his best speech of
Speaker 2: the campaign.
Speaker 4: And he didn't know anything about it. It wasn't somebody
Speaker 4: okay or so he said, but it was still everybody
Speaker 4: makes those kind of off color jokes, all right, So
Speaker 4: yes he has. But it didn't matter. I mean, that
Speaker 4: wasn't the reason. They called everybody there, including all of
Speaker 4: the people at their Israeli flags, Nazis. So they went
Speaker 4: on and on about it for three days. And then
Speaker 4: kamalamading Dong does a speech her supposedly her last major speech.
Speaker 4: Why would it be her last major speech? I don't know,
Speaker 4: But anyway, at the Ellipse, trying to sort of provide
Speaker 4: the imagery of what happened with Trump at the Ellipse
Speaker 4: on January sixth, and but in the middle of it,
Speaker 4: Biden's on a phone call with the Voto Latin X,
Speaker 4: which means that there's a stupid group anyway, because no
Speaker 4: real Latin person would ever call themselves a Latin AX.
Speaker 4: And he says he basically calls says the Puerto Rican people.
Speaker 4: I knew them, of course he did in Pennsylvania, wherever
Speaker 4: he's from. But the real garbage floating around are his supporters,
Speaker 4: which is exactly what he said. The tapes played over
Speaker 4: and over, so then of course the White House said, no,
Speaker 4: there's an apostrophe.
Speaker 3: You didn't hear the apostrophe. Yeah, I heard an umlaut.
Speaker 4: But the latest thing I saw was that not just Congress,
Speaker 4: but the Official Stenographers organization is very upset because they
Speaker 4: changed the transcript. And that's actually problematic for all these
Speaker 4: different reasons, and Congress is going to investigate. But anyway,
Speaker 4: so Trump Biden calls Trump supporters garbage after Hillary called
Speaker 4: them deplorables and so on, and somebody, I guess, Mark
Speaker 4: Rubio tells Trump on stage and he's just brilliant. And
Speaker 4: then the next day they find a garbage truck, a
Speaker 4: brand new, big, beautiful. It was a beautiful, beautiful. It's
Speaker 4: the best beautiful garbage truck with you know, blazoned on
Speaker 4: the side. And then so he gets on and he
Speaker 4: makes them snarky comments. They're just perfect. And then he
Speaker 4: goes into the rally and he's got the orange vest
Speaker 4: on and he says, give me my jacket. I want
Speaker 4: to take this thing off. And he's telling this at
Speaker 4: the rally and they're like, okay, sir, you should wear it. Oh,
Speaker 4: I'm not wearing this, give me my jacket. Well, sir,
Speaker 4: it makes you look thinner. And the crowd goes nuts
Speaker 4: and he says, so so I'm wearing it, and he says,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna wear that blue jacket again for the
Speaker 4: rest of the campaign. I mean I was. I was
Speaker 4: driving down the road laughing, my you know what, yea,
Speaker 4: what was amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, the whole five minutes, I mean, the lead up
Speaker 3: to that was him talking about, Oh, I had to
Speaker 3: climb up in his truck and it's really tall, and
Speaker 3: you know he is, he is an overweight, seventy eight
Speaker 3: year old guy. But he did it right, hit me
Speaker 3: and I did it. Yeah. The subtext there is, you know,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden he once claimed to have driven a long
Speaker 3: haul over the road truck. Couldn't do that, right, we
Speaker 3: all know. Anyway, No, it was he had great fun
Speaker 3: telling that story. And you know, Trump said his best
Speaker 3: when he's talking about these kind of things, rather than terriffs,
Speaker 3: I think. But there you go.
Speaker 2: He's a great showman too. Yeah, right, it's a great showman.
Speaker 2: He has a great timing and sense of putting on
Speaker 2: a show. By the way, I was thinking, who are
Speaker 2: all these nimble, athletic garbageman that you're comparing him to?
Speaker 2: Who can leap up into a cab of a garbage
Speaker 2: truck so easily? I mean, he doesn't look that different
Speaker 2: than a lot of the garbage.
Speaker 3: Well okay, well.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're not all maybe they have steps. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but he said that guy that he that was driving
Speaker 4: the garbage truck was a young looked like a young
Speaker 4: carry grant.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, Yeah, really handsome guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: That was funny.
Speaker 2: Iver. Tell you guys, I had was when I was
Speaker 2: an intern reporter for the Wall Street Journal. I wrote
Speaker 2: a story about the highway system, and so one of
Speaker 2: the things I did is I got in the cab
Speaker 2: of an eighteen wheeler and drove it along with the
Speaker 2: driver across Louisiana because Louisiana had the worst highways. It
Speaker 2: was great. I loved being in that truck. I bet Trump.
Speaker 2: I bet Trump. What they should have done is have
Speaker 2: Trump drive the truck and go into the drive in
Speaker 2: and at McDonald's.
Speaker 4: They need me because there's no driving I know of
Speaker 4: McDonald's driving I know of that would have accommodated that truck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, but still it would have been fun to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have been fun. The guy's a genius
Speaker 4: from that point of view. And you know, it just
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened to Kamala's joy. Maybe she
Speaker 4: just transferred it in a you know, counts over to
Speaker 4: Trump's campaign because there's lots of joy there and is
Speaker 4: so is it desperation? I you know, you can speculate
Speaker 4: all day long about whether Biden did that purposefully called
Speaker 4: you know, called Trump supporters garbage, or whether he is
Speaker 4: just senile and stupid. It's hard to tell. I don't
Speaker 4: know what you guys think. A lot of speculation, So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the spot.
Speaker 3: Well, I got to thinking about somebody was asking me
Speaker 3: earlier today about Project twenty twenty five, and you know
Speaker 3: that whole controversy, and I got to think, how come
Speaker 3: the Democratic candidates never put out their own version of
Speaker 3: Project twenty twenty five. No, I mean, the pattern for
Speaker 3: Democratic candidates for the last thirty years has been to
Speaker 3: conceal their ideas, to conceal their leftism, and run on
Speaker 3: attacking I'm not Trump, I'm not Romney whatever. They never
Speaker 3: put out detailed blueprints of what they want to do
Speaker 3: or who they want to hire, right, and so you know,
Speaker 3: I think it's very telling and it's really gotten the
Speaker 3: worst ever with Harris and so I don't know. That's
Speaker 3: my first thought is that's all they've got is to
Speaker 3: you know, call names and these crazy stunts of trying
Speaker 3: to track men by threatening to take away their poor
Speaker 3: and that's on your list, I know. Or have you
Speaker 3: seen this ad narrated by Julia Roberts about oh, okay, I.
Speaker 4: Get to talk about that one because you know, I
Speaker 4: actually joined a knitting group so that on Tuesday I
Speaker 4: could pretend that I was going to my knitting group
Speaker 4: and so mister Lucretia would not know that I was
Speaker 4: going to go out and vote for for Okay, that
Speaker 4: one doesn't work. I don't know. I can't even say it. No,
Speaker 4: I can't even.
Speaker 3: Say a lot of sharp knitting needs though, to.
Speaker 4: Believe it or not, but I don't belong to a
Speaker 4: knitting group and I did not join one. Can you imagine? Though?
Speaker 4: It's so cringe and yeah, uh, but you know it
Speaker 4: goes back to my argument, you fear that kind of woman,
Speaker 4: It proves they should have never passed venteent't amendment. I mean, really,
Speaker 4: if that's what the Democrats expect from women, They've insulted women,
Speaker 4: they insulted men. Mark uh Mark Cuban came out and
Speaker 4: said there's no intelligent women or strong women around Trump.
Speaker 4: I come on, why would you say something so dumb?
Speaker 4: I mean, does he really believe that Malania is some
Speaker 4: uh you know, scared to death, uh dumb duped woman
Speaker 4: that does whatever Trump tells her to. Never mind Ivanka no, Evanna,
Speaker 4: I get him mixed up? Evanna Laura Trump you know?
Speaker 4: And Hutchinson No, what's her name? How could be? And
Speaker 4: Kaylie Mcananey and even though his his first campaign manager, whose.
Speaker 3: Name Fitzpatrick Conway? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, and on and on and then from the
Speaker 4: Biden administration, what do we get, mophead?
Speaker 3: You won't have her for much longer. It will be nice.
Speaker 4: Don't have to be nice. She's a lying dumb.
Speaker 2: She's I sound like Trump.
Speaker 4: I'm okay with that. I'm tired of they're the only
Speaker 4: people who get to call people names.
Speaker 3: But I mean, what can I just mention? I mean,
Speaker 3: one more thing on that line, which is, you know,
Speaker 3: the media is all the way your usual thing. They've
Speaker 3: done it for forty years now, there's this huge gender gap.
Speaker 3: Republicans do poorly with women. Actually, Trump's numbers of women
Speaker 3: apparently picked up the last two weeks. Another sign. But
Speaker 3: how come media never says to Democrats, why do you
Speaker 3: have such a problem with men? How come men favorite
Speaker 3: Republicans by such a huge margin? Shouldn't it be the
Speaker 3: gender gap? But be a two way street. It's never
Speaker 3: a two way street. It's almost a gender gap.
Speaker 4: Right street.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the respond to the original question, which
Speaker 2: I think it was, why did you know was this
Speaker 2: well from Biden actually what he thinks? Or was it
Speaker 2: actually really you know, malapropism? But isn't it just of
Speaker 2: a kind with Yeah, as you said, Hillary's de plorables
Speaker 2: I remember Obama was.
Speaker 3: They were the bitter clingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bitter clingers. You guys are the experts on left
Speaker 2: of it? Leftisn't But isn't the cerotypical of the way
Speaker 2: the left intellectual class thinks of the people, which is,
Speaker 2: it's not their job, it's not the job of government
Speaker 2: to express what you know, represent what the people want.
Speaker 2: It's to lead them to what they should want, and
Speaker 2: so it has to treat them as a sort of
Speaker 2: great or it doesn't have to, but it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a Marxist thing, isn't it like to treat the
Speaker 2: people a sort of great, unwashed mass of ignorant people
Speaker 2: who believe, you know, religion is just their opiate and
Speaker 2: they need to be brought out into enlightenment.
Speaker 4: But the difference is they're usually much more subtle about it.
Speaker 2: They.
Speaker 4: I mean, where they've gotten into trouble every single time
Speaker 4: is when their true feelings are expressed, you know, the
Speaker 4: basket of deplorables and the whole thing. My question was
Speaker 4: actually a little more specific, John, not that you didn't
Speaker 4: answer a good portion of it, but mine was, did
Speaker 4: Biden do this to undermine Harris?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: That's my question. I probably didn't express it very well.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think. I think Biden actually
Speaker 2: hates Trump so much that.
Speaker 4: He actually for him. I actually think he's very unhappy
Speaker 4: with Harris, and he keeps asking to be able to
Speaker 4: go out on the campaign trail and they just don't
Speaker 4: return his calls.
Speaker 3: Well, but nobody, nobody wants him he's not campaigning for
Speaker 3: any Senate candidates. He's not making any appearances for the
Speaker 3: House candidates or any governors anywhere.
Speaker 4: Harris for the most well.
Speaker 3: I mean, they bring the candidates up, but whatever state
Speaker 3: she goes to, she'll do that. That's that's sort of normal.
Speaker 4: But are avoiding her though, That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 3: I mean, look Obama, well, look Obama and Bill Clinton
Speaker 3: are out on the campaign trail and they're appearing with candidates,
Speaker 3: and it'll.
Speaker 4: Be they're also dissing, I.
Speaker 3: Know, you know, leave that aside for the moment. The
Speaker 3: point is they're out there and Biden's not. And By's
Speaker 3: always been a bitter, petty, thin skinned guy. And I
Speaker 3: think John he can have two thoughts in mind at once.
Speaker 3: One of them is, yeah, I hate Trump, but there's
Speaker 3: the pride in the guy. You know, if Harris loses,
Speaker 3: I can boast forever that I'm the only person who
Speaker 3: could have beat him, or I'm the only person who
Speaker 3: ever did beat Trump. Now that's the bragging rights for him.
Speaker 3: And so you know, I don't know, I could see
Speaker 3: wanting revenge on his own party for pushing him aside.
Speaker 3: Add to that, by the way, I think I said
Speaker 3: this once before, but where's Gavin Newsom out on the
Speaker 3: campaign trail? Where's Witmer? Where's Josh Sapiro? I guess has
Speaker 3: turned up a couple of Pennsylvania things, all of them.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you want her to lose. Oh yeah, specially
Speaker 3: of course because if if Kamila wins, she gets renominated
Speaker 3: four years and eight years from now, the next chance
Speaker 3: they'd all have, they'll beat yesterday's news. There'll be new
Speaker 3: candidates come along, they'll miss their chance. Their only chance
Speaker 3: to run for the top ring is four years from now,
Speaker 3: when Trump would leave office. So none of them want
Speaker 3: Harris to win, and they may not be overtly undermining her,
Speaker 3: but I know that privately they want her to lose, such.
Speaker 4: As the one person you were wrong about that is Whitmer.
Speaker 4: She has actually been campaigning with Chris.
Speaker 2: Okay, yep, and.
Speaker 4: Yes, didn't you see the whole cringey beer. Anyway, it's
Speaker 4: not worth talking about that woman is just vile, both
Speaker 4: of them anyway. Okay, Well, I think that that Biden
Speaker 4: probably did it on purpose. He does seem to have
Speaker 4: moments of clarity, and that the question I mean, because
Speaker 4: what John said is absolutely right. Was it just a
Speaker 4: malaproprism or was it what you know, who knows? Was
Speaker 4: it his sinility? The fact that the Democrats at the
Speaker 4: left and the media are claiming it was his sinility
Speaker 4: and we should have shown a little grace about it,
Speaker 4: or Trump she has shown a little grace about it
Speaker 4: tells me that they actually think he did it on purpose.
Speaker 4: And you know, again, all the back room chatter about
Speaker 4: what's happening between the Hairs campaign and Biden would lead
Speaker 4: you to believe that that things are not rosy there.
Speaker 4: But in the meantime, Biden, if he's not going to
Speaker 4: be president, he can always go out and bite babies. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you didn't see that, John.
Speaker 3: It's just weird.
Speaker 4: It's a Halloween party at the at the White House
Speaker 4: and a mom has what looks to be a little
Speaker 4: boys maybe six months old, maybe a little The mom's
Speaker 4: cradling it so and it's got the baby's got a
Speaker 4: Halloween costume on, and Biden walks up and bites him
Speaker 4: on the leg.
Speaker 3: Really, it's uh yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull
Speaker 3: it up here. I mean, I know what it's uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean yes, yeah, our viewers. Uh there, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that weird. I mean it's yeah, I mean this.
Speaker 2: Is so weird. It's so weird. I would have thought
Speaker 2: this was AI generated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not it yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's hard to say one way or
Speaker 4: the other. So okay, I don't I still don't get.
Speaker 2: It anyway to a garbage man.
Speaker 4: Your explanation, both of your explanation is a good start.
Speaker 4: But still they want to win so badly. Why are
Speaker 4: they making these mistakes? Why why can't they they shut
Speaker 4: up long enough to I mean, to pretend that they
Speaker 4: care about what happens to the middle classic, pretend that
Speaker 4: they care about what happens in the fly ower states.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the way that leftists and democrats usually conduct themselves.
Speaker 4: They lie about who they are, They lie about what
Speaker 4: they want to do. They lie about their agenda because
Speaker 4: they know that they could never get Americans to go
Speaker 4: for it if they were honest about it. But all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, all of these idiots are out there saying,
Speaker 4: you know, no strong women, women are you know, so
Speaker 4: intimidated by their husbands that they have to sneak into
Speaker 4: the voting booth and wink at each other when they
Speaker 4: cast their vote, and they actually had one for men too.
Speaker 4: Did you see that? Yes, three guys walking into the
Speaker 4: voting booth. Oh may God, we're dude patriotic blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And then the one guy, Kama Harris, did you do
Speaker 4: the patriotically? You bet I did. It's so awful. I
Speaker 4: just anyway, I don't understand it. Do they just have
Speaker 4: idiots running things right now?
Speaker 3: Well? I mean I think it's pretty simple losing campaigns,
Speaker 3: which I think this one is acquire a momentum of
Speaker 3: dysfunction and message and discipline and bad morale. And I
Speaker 3: mean again, you know my moml for this was George H. W.
Speaker 3: Bush in nineteen ninety two. Nothing they did worked, Things
Speaker 3: got worse and worse. Everyone was yelling out how their
Speaker 3: life is not fair, and you know, some truth to
Speaker 3: all that. And then Bush fly with attack on Gore,
Speaker 3: which I liked actually, but he called him o Zone man.
Speaker 3: You know, you got this crazy guy from Arkansas and
Speaker 3: his running mate ozone man. And I like, I say,
Speaker 3: I understood what he meant by that, but it totally
Speaker 3: flopped as an epithet. It was not effective at all.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what's happening now is when Mark
Speaker 3: Cuban says silly stuff, and you know, Biden says crazy stuff,
Speaker 3: and the campaign just has They've lost all control of
Speaker 3: everything because they don't know what to.
Speaker 2: Do, but yet they're they're tied basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's the amazing thing is that they've kept it so
Speaker 5: close this whole time, and that it still looks like
Speaker 5: something could happen in the next few days and still
Speaker 5: change the outcome of the election. Well, except the third
Speaker 5: of the vote is in is where you want to
Speaker 5: go Lucretia.
Speaker 4: Probably, Yeah, fifty seven million people as of this afternoon
Speaker 4: had cast their votes already in some states. Steve, it's
Speaker 4: over half. Yeah, So how much does an October surprise,
Speaker 4: actually a November surprise is what it would be. Now,
Speaker 4: how much if an influence can it have? I mean,
Speaker 4: no matter what catastrophic thing might happen at this point
Speaker 4: and the momentum is going down.
Speaker 2: For well, if the battleground states are all they seem
Speaker 2: all to be like within one or two percent, isn't
Speaker 2: something could just change the outcome by causing fifty thousand
Speaker 2: people to vote differently in each of these states.
Speaker 4: Maybe probably less, it would take less.
Speaker 3: But hard to see what it would be. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know that you know the left, so you know
Speaker 3: Mark Halpern, guy who does his two way thing on
Speaker 3: YouTube that's actually pretty interesting on the rare occasions I
Speaker 3: get to take it in. About ten days back, he
Speaker 3: said someone has been approaching me with a story about
Speaker 3: Trump that would end his campaign and end his political
Speaker 3: career if it's true. And people thought, oh, and then
Speaker 3: other people said, yeah, I've been pitched that story too,
Speaker 3: And then Halpern came back the next day and said,
Speaker 3: I want to be clear, I think the story I've
Speaker 3: been pitched is completely bogus. It's made up, its false.
Speaker 3: And I thought that he was raising all that because
Speaker 3: he thinks somebody will bite on this story. So maybe
Speaker 3: you're going to see the Guardian or some disreputable tabloid
Speaker 3: come out with something insane about Trump in the next
Speaker 3: forty eight hours. And I think, you know, a reporter
Speaker 3: like Helpren has already laid down a marker to expect
Speaker 3: something crazy like this to come along. So you know,
Speaker 3: that's one possibility that I've filed a way for future notice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It seems as if the early
Speaker 4: voting seems to be favoring Republicans, but not everywhere. I
Speaker 4: don't believe it's I don't believe it's favoring Republicans, John
Speaker 4: in your home state. I believe that in many places
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania where Trump needs to be doing better, he's
Speaker 4: not doing well in the early voting. I've read that today,
Speaker 4: But you know, I don't know. I do know that,
Speaker 4: getting ahead of myself here, that Pennsylvania seems to be logging,
Speaker 4: lots and lots of elect or shenanigans happening, And we'll
Speaker 4: come back to that, but I thought i'd mentioned that there.
Speaker 4: My favorite quote of the week, having just talked about
Speaker 4: all that, is that Trump isn't running against Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: He's running against electoral fraud. In other words, Well, but
Speaker 4: I mean, there's lots and lots of anecdotal evidence and
Speaker 4: evidence that's making it's the way all the way to
Speaker 4: the courts now in different places of just regularities. You know,
Speaker 4: you go into the voting booth and the voting machine
Speaker 4: won't even allow you to vote for Trump, or we're
Speaker 4: just smaller things like it's a two page long list
Speaker 4: of presidential candidates, you know, with every third party waco
Speaker 4: in the world there and Trump is on the second page.
Speaker 4: You can go to the second page, you know, funny
Speaker 4: little things like that that's not really voter fraud or
Speaker 4: voter suppression or voter intimidation like some of the other
Speaker 4: people are alleging. I mean, you just if you go
Speaker 4: on Twitter, you see this stuff all the time. John,
Speaker 4: you should go on Twitter, or maybe they have it
Speaker 4: on Facebook or maybe Facebook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's the problem. I mean, you really don't.
Speaker 3: I mean some of these stories you really have no
Speaker 3: way of knowing if they're true or not because they're
Speaker 3: not very well sourced. There isn't you know, a news
Speaker 3: account do it even and even a news account, I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily believe. I think what's significant, or at least
Speaker 3: two things. One is they've caught some of these things.
Speaker 3: I mean I think it's I'm not sure it's a prosecutor,
Speaker 3: but a county in Pennsylvania where they're extremely sloppy, to
Speaker 3: put it charitably, they've caught it. They caught it here,
Speaker 3: you know, week or ten days ahead of the election. No,
Speaker 3: there are places I don't know, possibly, But that's the
Speaker 3: second bigger point, which is, you know most of it.
Speaker 3: This is what we've argued about four years now. Most
Speaker 3: voter fraud is usually on the local level, in local elections,
Speaker 3: and that's around election can turn on less than a
Speaker 3: thousand votes for a city council or mayor, or maybe
Speaker 3: a congressional district. That's happened a couple of times. At
Speaker 3: least the industrial scale you would need to do in
Speaker 3: this race, I think would be too conspicuous to get
Speaker 3: away with it. In other words, you know Hewett's old
Speaker 3: line is if the margin's big enough, they can't cheat.
Speaker 3: In other words, I'm thinking, and you're gonna ask those
Speaker 3: predictions later, but I think Trump's gonna win beyond the
Speaker 3: margin of cheating.
Speaker 4: That it's running against Kamala Harris, he's running against electoral fraud.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing you can see.
Speaker 2: I mean this is I mean this, but this is
Speaker 2: the thing. Trump does have teams of lawyers all over,
Speaker 2: including in Pennsylvania. And you know the thing, the thing
Speaker 2: I saw that was most prominent was county officials in
Speaker 2: some place closing down the line to casture mail in ballot.
Speaker 2: But then the but the county officials were mistaken and
Speaker 2: they changed the they were, they changed their and the
Speaker 2: judge actually I think had to Ultimately, no.
Speaker 4: The county officials didn't do it. They went to a judge,
Speaker 4: and the judge extended. The deadline was the thirtieth.
Speaker 2: I think, But I think, but look, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know, I would. Look. My sense of it is
Speaker 2: reading the stories that this was not done to hurt Trump.
Speaker 2: It was just these county officials misread the rules. But
Speaker 2: I'm glad to judge intervened. But I think it's a
Speaker 2: step to say that these county officials are actually trying
Speaker 2: to suppress the vote in favor of Trump. In fact,
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly clear, because I would think Republican voters
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania are still going to turn up more often
Speaker 2: at the polling place, and that people who are mailing
Speaker 2: in their ballots are actually going to be a majority Democrat.
Speaker 4: Not this time, not at all in most places, well,
Speaker 4: because they've been pushing Republicans to do.
Speaker 2: What voting still George Authority are still Democrats.
Speaker 3: But John just said Pennsylvania, Lucretia. I mean, and you
Speaker 3: you were just saying a minute ago, you got Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: Republicans are coming in light on mail and voting in
Speaker 3: some places.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I saw videos and you can that for
Speaker 4: what it's worth, John, But it's not as christine as
Speaker 4: you make it out to be. First of all, it
Speaker 4: wasn't always county officials. It was democratic operatives pretending to
Speaker 4: be county officials, getting police to rough up people who
Speaker 4: wouldn't get out of line, who were saying, the line
Speaker 4: is supposed to be open. We were here at four thirty,
Speaker 4: it doesn't close till five, and the police were saying,
Speaker 4: you know, there's this one police officers, just the typical
Speaker 4: police officer jerk, just saying there's going to be trouble
Speaker 4: for you if you don't get out of here right now.
Speaker 4: I mean, the whole thing was not some stupid county officialscaster.
Speaker 2: Right next to the county, right next to the county
Speaker 2: that I grew up in. I know Lancaster County very well.
Speaker 2: It is not a democratic county by any means. It's
Speaker 2: actually Amish country. It's going to be conservative. I have
Speaker 2: a hard time believing the county officials and Lancaster were
Speaker 2: trying to suppress a Republican vote this way. I'm not saying,
Speaker 2: I mean I read the accounts in like the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Speaker 2: I didn't look at Twitter. I didn't see any accounts
Speaker 2: of police officers roughing people up. I mean, that's outrageous.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that happened. I didn't see anybody.
Speaker 2: But that's why I say I gotta be careful and
Speaker 2: not necessarily believe things people post on Twitter. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a judge there. I didn't see a judge make
Speaker 2: any kind of determination that the police were roughing up
Speaker 2: voters in line. I mean, that's really seriously, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just want to take a face value
Speaker 2: someone posting something on Twitter saying that.
Speaker 4: But I also don't take it at face value that
Speaker 4: the county officials say they made a mistake. I don't
Speaker 4: take that well at all.
Speaker 3: Well, remember that our elections are run by amateurs, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, they're run by volunteers often.
Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, five o'clock on October thirtieth, you don't shut
Speaker 4: down the line early. You just don't. There's no excuse
Speaker 4: for that whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Well, you're the one that doesn't. But you're the one
Speaker 3: who don't want to early voting at all. You want
Speaker 3: to done an election day, right, do you matter?
Speaker 4: If they are rules, you let people vote by the rules.
Speaker 4: I don't vote early.
Speaker 3: All those people can still vote an election day, though,
Speaker 3: can't they?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were asking for early let's see on demand
Speaker 4: mail in ballots, and maybe they can't. Maybe they're going
Speaker 4: there because for whatever reason between now and then, they
Speaker 4: needed a mail in ballot, and it's past the deadline that.
Speaker 2: In Pennsylvania you can always go and vote in person
Speaker 2: like they're a mailion mail and they'll give you a
Speaker 2: mail in ballot, but you don't have to return it
Speaker 2: and you can just go to the poll and vote
Speaker 2: on election day.
Speaker 4: I'm saying this particular part of the procedure is this
Speaker 4: last minute. I didn't ask for a mail in ballot
Speaker 4: when I should have. But I can go stand in
Speaker 4: line and on demand get a mail in ballot that
Speaker 4: I can turn in because I realized I can't for
Speaker 4: whatever reason vote in person now on election day. That's
Speaker 4: that's the whole point. So yes, of course you can,
Speaker 4: and probably some of them will. But the reason they
Speaker 4: were doing it, presumably is because they didn't get a
Speaker 4: mail in vallet, because they didn't think they needed to
Speaker 4: that's that's I mean, it's a very specific kind of situation.
Speaker 4: But you know, there were multiple things, and Twitter does
Speaker 4: allow community rates and people to come back and say
Speaker 4: this isn't true, and they have all sorts of things
Speaker 4: on there. None of that was the case. They seem
Speaker 4: to be pretty prominently displayed across Twitter. So you need
Speaker 4: to take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, like I said, if there was, they
Speaker 2: did not follow the rules, and it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: I think actually that Trump has lawyers around and if
Speaker 2: there are irregularities go to court. I think ultimately, I
Speaker 2: think it reinforces faith in the integrity election if both
Speaker 2: sides have observers and then have every chance to challenge
Speaker 2: what somebody, what some election official is doing. And so
Speaker 2: if Pennsylvania's got like ten thousand lawyers from both sides
Speaker 2: crawling all over the place watching, all the better and
Speaker 2: they caught it and like officials themselves, the officials themselves
Speaker 2: in these counties, I think it was like York County actually,
Speaker 2: which is actually up in near the Great Lakes. But
Speaker 2: this is right, they're the ones who you know, turned
Speaker 2: in that some of these registration registrations were mysteriously in
Speaker 2: the same handwriting and misspelled things in Michigan. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't even the Trump lawyers that found that out,
Speaker 2: that was just the officials themselves. These are all too similar. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, also, I mean one thing I'm not clear on
Speaker 3: here Lucretia. Was this one precinct or was it the
Speaker 3: county building?
Speaker 4: It wasn't in Lancaster.
Speaker 2: It was in buck Well County, but I thought it
Speaker 2: was in Lancaster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Also the Lancaster was the problem you
Speaker 4: were just talking about John the twenty six hundred, you
Speaker 4: know where the county officials discovered it? That was Lancaster County.
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, well that actually Bucks County has been a
Speaker 3: swinging county that's not county.
Speaker 2: Used to be a rural county, but it's kind of
Speaker 2: in between Philadelphia and New York. So it's becoming a
Speaker 2: little bit more liberal because people who live there commute
Speaker 2: can commute into New York City. Now. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: think conservative because it's still a rural county, primarily rural county,
Speaker 2: so it's still I mean, I I think I think
Speaker 2: Democrats have won it the last few elections.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where the persistence guy has been out there
Speaker 4: registering Republicans to vote. He flipped the registration from Democrat
Speaker 4: to Republican in Bucks County.
Speaker 3: Right. But now, okay, here's my question to Crease. It
Speaker 3: was this just one precinct but this was happening, or
Speaker 3: was the county administration building that was collecting votes for
Speaker 3: the whole county or you know, twenty precincts. Well, see,
Speaker 3: that's a see. I don't think one precinct is going
Speaker 3: to make a difference in the in the election outcome.
Speaker 4: I think the money it's going to make a difference either.
Speaker 3: But it's wrong, okay, but I think a much bigger
Speaker 3: in the in the vote fraud area or sketchy vote area,
Speaker 3: a much bigger problem. Is the Democratic machine going to
Speaker 3: be able to harvest votes from a lot of marginal
Speaker 3: or maybe even non voters who they're voting for them? Right,
Speaker 3: That's what I think they could be alleged to have
Speaker 3: done in twenty twenty and maybe even strictly speaking legal,
Speaker 3: although actually it's not legal to vote for somebody else's ballot.
Speaker 3: But I'll bet that's the kind of thing I think
Speaker 3: that they might have done in twenty twenty and that's
Speaker 3: what the big numbers are. It's not in some precinct
Speaker 3: where you have people intimidating voters and whatnot. I don't think.
Speaker 4: Well, let me remind you what the difference in the
Speaker 4: vote in two thousand was in Florida. That wasn't a
Speaker 4: case of intimidation. But what I'm saying is, if the
Speaker 4: polls are even close to right about how close this
Speaker 4: election is in the battleground states, it could make a
Speaker 4: difference if you have twenty four hundred ballots that were
Speaker 4: all signed by the same people. Or there's the one
Speaker 4: I think it's in Georgia where the same voter ID
Speaker 4: numbers used on something like two thousand, So two thousand
Speaker 4: people voted on the same voter ID and you can
Speaker 4: see the evidence of that. Again, maybe not, probably not,
Speaker 4: but if it's a very close election, it just might.
Speaker 4: And I agree with you that this is probably not
Speaker 4: some grand conspiracy. It's usually just some rabidly fanatic county person.
Speaker 4: Either they're incompetent or they're you know, an ideological hacker both,
Speaker 4: and I don't think it's necessarily a mass attempt to
Speaker 4: commit voter fraud. It's hard to say, though.
Speaker 3: You know, well, now I think that. I think it's related.
Speaker 3: It's on your list. It's one of the interesting interesting
Speaker 3: things are these ballot boxes that were burned in Portland
Speaker 3: and Vancouver, Washington, apparently by left wingers, you know, by
Speaker 3: antifa like people.
Speaker 4: Right, that's that's by pro Palestinian.
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, that's left wingers, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's a little bit different. It's a little
Speaker 4: more specific.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, the point is it's going to cause problems
Speaker 3: for the people who want to expand drop boxes and
Speaker 3: all the rest of that to make voting easier.
Speaker 4: Why is it going to cause problems?
Speaker 3: Well, because if a right.
Speaker 4: Winger had done it, and maybe people would be up
Speaker 4: against it. But if a left winger did it, they
Speaker 4: probably want to destroy ballots for right wingers. So everybody's
Speaker 4: going to be okay with it.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I think if there's serious doubt among all
Speaker 3: the look the government reformer people, the googoos I like
Speaker 3: to call them, they're the ones who are for expanding
Speaker 3: mallet drop boxes, and if suddenly they're being destroyed by
Speaker 3: left wing agitators or pro Hamas people, they're going to
Speaker 3: have to rethink all that. I don't think it matters
Speaker 3: which side, does it. I kind of like it better
Speaker 3: that's happening from left wingers, because you know, if they're
Speaker 3: destroying if they're destroying drop boxes and Republican areas and say, well,
Speaker 3: tough luck, but they're destroying ballot boxes in heavily democratic areas,
Speaker 3: and that's that's the point.
Speaker 2: See Okay, I see, maybe.
Speaker 3: I should have said that straight up on the front.
Speaker 3: They just destroyed two mail boxes full of Democrat votes.
Speaker 4: Which won't matter. By the way, Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3: If the Vancouver area is a swinging house district, so
Speaker 3: you know the one I said, if it comes down
Speaker 3: to a thousand votes, that box could make a difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could. I want to ask John a who
Speaker 4: he thinks might be winning the legal challenge battle out there,
Speaker 4: the Trump team or the Harris team, And what does
Speaker 4: all this mean? If so, we've had some decisions that
Speaker 4: have come out before, even one from the Supreme Court
Speaker 4: before the election is over, making decisions that actually have
Speaker 4: some impact on the election as it's being conducted right now.
Speaker 4: But there will be more, right is that that's what
Speaker 4: you were implying that you know, after the election is over,
Speaker 4: there will also be challenges.
Speaker 2: So there have been these two cases where the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court has made, you could say, make a difference. One
Speaker 2: was it refused to kick RFK off the ballot in
Speaker 2: Michigan and Wisconsin, I think, which deferring to state election
Speaker 2: officials judgments that he could he should stay on the ballot.
Speaker 2: But then in Virginia, the Supreme Court overruled a district
Speaker 2: judge who tried to block this effort by governor by
Speaker 2: the governor to clean up some of the voter rules.
Speaker 2: And it's not a large number. I mean, there's only
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred people who were struck off the roles. And
Speaker 2: these are people who had put on the driver's license
Speaker 2: applications that they were not citizens. And so the Biden
Speaker 2: Justice Department sued on behalf of these people and against
Speaker 2: Virginia to get them to have the right to vote.
Speaker 2: And it's incredible. And so, you know, so that one
Speaker 2: was you could say it was pro Trump, I would say,
Speaker 2: you know, the guiding principle in both of this is
Speaker 2: that the Supreme Court isn't really voting for Trump or Harris.
Speaker 2: It's just following the Constitution. People forget the Constitution puts
Speaker 2: the responsibility to run elections in states. That's why we're
Speaker 2: having all these crazy arguments about this county and that
Speaker 2: canvasy board. It's because elections are run by the three
Speaker 2: thousand counties in the country. I mean, the Constitution gives
Speaker 2: the power to the states or recognizes the power of
Speaker 2: the states to conduct elections, and almost every state pushes
Speaker 2: the job down to the county. So that's so far.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Supreme Court has been you know,
Speaker 2: grow one party or the other, despite what you you know,
Speaker 2: hear in the media where you hear people on the
Speaker 2: left saying the Supreme Court, you know, you know, in
Speaker 2: the pocket of Donald Trump. But I think there's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of litigation after if it's a
Speaker 2: close election, you know, if Steve's right and it actually
Speaker 2: could be a significant vote for Trump or or even
Speaker 2: or Harris, then you don't you're not gonna have litigation.
Speaker 2: But if it's close, if it follows the polling, then
Speaker 2: this new law that was passed two years ago, the
Speaker 2: Electoral count Reform Act, not only just not only guarantee
Speaker 2: invites litigation, almost guarantees it, and eve even creates a
Speaker 2: whole new process for it so it creates a more
Speaker 2: specific Yeah, it creates a new system where if there's
Speaker 2: any legal challenge to the presidential election, it goes to
Speaker 2: a special federal court of three judges, and of the
Speaker 2: three judges meet in the capital of the state where
Speaker 2: the irregularities are challenged. So I suppose right, So if
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania say this happen, say exactly what you described happened,
Speaker 2: and then Trump decided to sue after the election, it
Speaker 2: would have to go to a special three federal judge
Speaker 2: court that would sit in Harrisburg, because that's the capital Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Then this is so that never existed before. And then
Speaker 2: this new law creates an ex bedighted process where any
Speaker 2: any challenge to the decisions of this special court has
Speaker 2: to go directly to the Supreme Court on an expedited basis.
Speaker 2: And the law even orders the Supreme Court to decide
Speaker 2: in time for the electoral votes to be counted. So
Speaker 2: this is remarkable. It's never been trying. You know, it's
Speaker 2: brand new. It's only it was just you know, it's
Speaker 2: in the law that was enacted just two years ago.
Speaker 2: It's never gone into so that could write. I think
Speaker 2: one thing you saw in the last go round four
Speaker 2: years ago, you know, the Trump team filed hundreds of
Speaker 2: lawsuits before all kinds of different courts. You know, they
Speaker 2: lost in the end, but it was chaotic. It's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot less chaotic now. Now there's this
Speaker 2: sort of streamlined process that's designed to take in these
Speaker 2: presidential election claims. We'll see, we'll see. We've never seen
Speaker 2: this before, it's never been tested before.
Speaker 3: Big question about the three judges. It sounds like special
Speaker 3: masters that you hear on the state level and stuff.
Speaker 2: You know what it's like. It's like challenges under the
Speaker 2: voting right sack. So there'll be two federal appeals judge
Speaker 2: and one trial judge.
Speaker 3: And how are they picked? How are they selected?
Speaker 2: It doesn't say in the law, So I assume it'll
Speaker 2: be to the federal court. So yeah, so the federal.
Speaker 3: In the district right in that place.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I hope, I mean, I assume it would
Speaker 2: be random selection. So Pennsylvania, say this all happens in
Speaker 2: my home state, Pennsylvania. That's what it's called the Third
Speaker 2: Circuits headquartered in Philadelphia, you know, so you'll take you know,
Speaker 2: includes Delaware and New Jersey. So you would get two
Speaker 2: circuit judges from the third Circuit and then probably the
Speaker 2: district judge who sits over in harrisbur But you know
Speaker 2: what the harder thing. You know, creates a streamline process.
Speaker 2: But the law doesn't really give you any sense of
Speaker 2: the law. You know that what we call the cause
Speaker 2: of action, Like, what are the principles that you're going
Speaker 2: to Right, That's it's very hard to like it could
Speaker 2: just be Bush versus War. You could say, voters in
Speaker 2: that county. You know those votes are counted in this county,
Speaker 2: you didn't count the same kind of votes. Right. That's
Speaker 2: that's a challenge under Bush versus Core that should be
Speaker 2: able to fly. What if you claim, like Lucretian, does
Speaker 2: you county officials or kicking people out of lines to vote?
Speaker 4: You're confusing the two the two it was a hypothetical. Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: but I'm saying what you said didn't happen. Didn't happen
Speaker 4: in Lancaster They tried to.
Speaker 2: They tried to, Yeah, but they failed.
Speaker 4: No, No, in Lancaster County. What you what you said
Speaker 4: is absolutely right, and that the county officials themselves discovered
Speaker 4: what was wrong. What I talked about was what happened
Speaker 4: in Bucks County, And I didn't say it was county officials.
Speaker 4: I said it was democratic operatives posing as county officials
Speaker 4: who stopped the people from going, staying in the line,
Speaker 4: who said you have to leave, you have to disperse,
Speaker 4: and they they had badges on and so on. And
Speaker 4: it just turned out that these were all democratic operatives
Speaker 4: trying to stop people from going in. And presumably, I,
Speaker 4: of course cannot I have no evidence to back this up,
Speaker 4: this part that they were going in to vote for Trump.
Speaker 4: So two separate things. What you said is absolutely true.
Speaker 4: Even CNN had a long article about it, and of
Speaker 4: course they used it as an opportunity to slam Trump
Speaker 4: because he's called it out what happened in Lancaster County,
Speaker 4: and that the county officials say, we know it's all
Speaker 4: screwed up, we know that this happened, but we're fixing it,
Speaker 4: so just be patient with us.
Speaker 2: Basically, so, actually this is a different issue. So the
Speaker 2: story I'm looking at actually says it was according to
Speaker 2: the Trump lawyers, it was actually county officials who ordered
Speaker 2: people to leave, And that actually makes more sense because
Speaker 2: then the Trump campaign can sue the government or failing
Speaker 2: to operate. It's like you know, Harris people, you know,
Speaker 2: you know Harris people playing dirty tricks. You wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to sue the county. You'd have to sue the
Speaker 2: Harris campaign. So actually, I think it really actually was
Speaker 2: a Buck County officials. That's actually who you would want
Speaker 2: to sue. That's like that that actually gives rise to
Speaker 2: a violation of the laws. I'm just saying, suppose something
Speaker 2: that actually did happen, you know, again closer to election,
Speaker 2: then Trump would have to sue through this new law.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't. The new law doesn't really tell you
Speaker 2: whether Trump should win or lose that case. So that's
Speaker 2: the like, what the standards are for government for guaranteeing
Speaker 2: the election is fair are still just as sort of
Speaker 2: ambiguous as they were four years ago.
Speaker 4: Would you presumably you wouldn't put forward any any legal challenges,
Speaker 4: any suits if it was not going to be decisive
Speaker 4: in that particular state for the say, the majority voters something, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, Trump's not going to sue everywhere where there's
Speaker 4: allegations of voter fraud or electoral malfeasans or whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it. You would only bother to put
Speaker 4: your resources towards those places where the vote was close, correct.
Speaker 2: And where it at you no, no, So I think
Speaker 2: that's right because this did happen four years ago. Remember
Speaker 2: that again. In Pennsylvania, there's a rule that when you
Speaker 2: send a mailed in ballot, you have to put it
Speaker 2: in a envelope you know, guarantees as a not anonymity,
Speaker 2: and then you have to sign and date it on
Speaker 2: the outside. And there were roughly ten thousand votes where
Speaker 2: the I mean, this is pretty simple, right, like, but
Speaker 2: these there are ten thousand votes where people didn't do this.
Speaker 2: And so the Supreme it was challenged the Trump campaign
Speaker 2: and actually I think really the Republican Party Pennsylvania challenged.
Speaker 2: They went to the Supreme Court and Justice Alito, who
Speaker 2: hears emergency appeals out of the third Circuit out of
Speaker 2: pennsylvani and you said, segregate those ballots. And in the
Speaker 2: end Biden won by much more than ten thousand votes,
Speaker 2: so they didn't matter. And then that's so the case
Speaker 2: was kind of dropped because of that. So I think
Speaker 2: you're in there refer it to really matter, it has
Speaker 2: to be in a state that's close where right, the
Speaker 2: number of votes affected would have or be around the
Speaker 2: margin of victory. Otherwise, I think the federal courts are
Speaker 2: going to says say, Now, I will say Justice Thomas.
Speaker 2: Justice Thomas wanted, he dissented. He said we should go ahead,
Speaker 2: and do you know he's pressing, And I said, four
Speaker 2: years ago, we should go ahead and decide this to
Speaker 2: make clear what the rule is because it might happen again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and everyone I think the other justice like, ah, now,
Speaker 2: this is a one time thing. It will never happen again.
Speaker 4: Well, John, when you say, when you say that it's
Speaker 4: not really clear what the rule is and what standards
Speaker 4: should be brought to bear, brings up an interesting question
Speaker 4: that I kind of what I meant to talk about
Speaker 4: last time in the conversation went a different way and
Speaker 4: I didn't bring it back up. But I did talk
Speaker 4: about the fact that there seems to be this completely
Speaker 4: mistaken notion that the most important thing is that you're
Speaker 4: you get to vote, that the vote itself is some
Speaker 4: sort of you know, awesome religious experience that every citizen
Speaker 4: is entitled to and if you don't do it, and
Speaker 4: so you know, get out the vote drives. We talked
Speaker 4: about that, but I actually think there's one deeper thing
Speaker 4: happening that's completely lost on us now that our founders
Speaker 4: did in fact believe in, and that's voting. Who votes
Speaker 4: is not nearly as important as the process that will
Speaker 4: determine the best, the best, the best person chosen, the
Speaker 4: best possible president, the best possible member of Congress. And
Speaker 4: so we've lost that notion completely. How could you set
Speaker 4: up an electoral system designed to have to bring you
Speaker 4: very best person, Believe it or not. That was the
Speaker 4: idea behind the electoral college, more than anything, was the
Speaker 4: notion that, how do you back in those days with
Speaker 4: no mass communication, et cetera, et cetera, how do you
Speaker 4: have the people participate in choosing a president that they
Speaker 4: have no idea about the candidates? You know, and that's
Speaker 4: even before parties, so you didn't even have nominees. But
Speaker 4: just the general sense that when I debate people say
Speaker 4: about popular vote of the president versus the electoral college,
Speaker 4: they don't even care if what you end up with
Speaker 4: at the end of the day in a popular vote
Speaker 4: system for president is the best candidates. All they care, don't.
Speaker 4: All they care about is that it's more democratic and
Speaker 4: more people's vote counts or whatever you want to say.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just wondering if you guys think I'm
Speaker 4: nuts even bringing that up.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's the problem is that that
Speaker 3: train left the station a long time ago and getting
Speaker 3: it back is pretty hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean your fight is with Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a, that's since that's no. I mean I try
Speaker 3: to make the I mean, the argument I've been making
Speaker 3: for a long time is if you have very high
Speaker 3: turnouts in elections, that's actually a bad sign because it
Speaker 3: means your your political order is unhealthy, because it means
Speaker 3: more poor people think they have to vote because too
Speaker 3: much is at stake. Now, turnout's been going up, right,
Speaker 3: We have record turnout in twenty twenty, and so you know,
Speaker 3: and you know, I like to point out that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, I mean I hate to bring it up
Speaker 3: because of how bad this has been botched lately. But
Speaker 3: you know, turnout in Germany in the early thirties, including
Speaker 3: the faithful election of nineteen thirty two thirty three, was
Speaker 3: like ninety five percent something like that. That's all that's
Speaker 3: been true in other countries. So actually, you know, when
Speaker 3: you only have fifty five percent turnout of eligible voters.
Speaker 3: That's a sign of health in a democracy.
Speaker 2: I agree, sef. I thought that it was a bad
Speaker 2: thing that European turnout levels were so high, but that's
Speaker 2: because all their economic futures rest on what crandouts are
Speaker 2: going to get by the from the government, whereas in
Speaker 2: the United States, hopefully things are working well. You don't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't affect most people's lives who's in charge of
Speaker 2: the federal government, right They just go on in their
Speaker 2: own you know, in their own communities and do their
Speaker 2: own business and hopefully the federal garment doesn't reach down
Speaker 2: and affect them. But your rights, do you? I think
Speaker 2: there's so much at stake now because of all the
Speaker 2: power the federal governments accumulated. That doesn't really matter for
Speaker 2: everybody who's president.
Speaker 4: I agree to a point, except that in the United States,
Speaker 4: in relatively modern times, we don't even educate our citizens
Speaker 4: well enough in public schools anymore for them to understand
Speaker 4: what's at stake when they vote. You know, watching some
Speaker 4: of those shows that they do the Man on the
Speaker 4: Street interviews, the one today that was hilarious was the
Speaker 4: guy was asking people at a Harris rally two questions,
Speaker 4: what is it that you like about Harris me specific Oh,
Speaker 4: she's amazing, she's a woman, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But then do you think Trump is a fascist? Absolutely? Well,
Speaker 4: what's a fascist? Well, you know, I'm not really sure
Speaker 4: I could say, and at least you know, a dozen
Speaker 4: people did that. If you if you can't define what
Speaker 4: fascism is because your your education is so limited. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you graduated from high school, how did you not
Speaker 4: learn what fascism is? Except that you didn't study in
Speaker 4: high school because you didn't study any history we're studying.
Speaker 4: You instead studied, you know, indigenous people and whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 4: that I agree with you guys, absolutely, but I don't
Speaker 4: know that it's a sign in our country necessarily of health,
Speaker 4: because because these are people who don't even recognize what
Speaker 4: the political system means to them and whether if it
Speaker 4: changes hands it makes any difference.
Speaker 3: We all right, Well, I mean, well it does, except
Speaker 3: that my point is the higher the turnout goes, the
Speaker 3: more and more people you will be voting who they
Speaker 3: have no clue whatsoever, and what kind of government you're
Speaker 3: going to get out of that. By the way, what's
Speaker 3: one of the things that the Google Left really wants
Speaker 3: or the Goo Goo's they want the Australian rule of
Speaker 3: mandatory voting because I think that'll and why because I
Speaker 3: think they'll get a more left wing result. And they're
Speaker 3: probably right about that. I'm not certain it is, but
Speaker 3: it's probably right.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you know my view is is no, I mean, well,
Speaker 3: it's it will never happen because a basic American freedom
Speaker 3: is forget it. I don't you can't make me vote.
Speaker 3: I think Americans are rebel against it. But still that's
Speaker 3: that idea is.
Speaker 2: And I look at all the people who try to
Speaker 2: get out of jury duty.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, yes, right, right.
Speaker 2: And one one comment about Lucretia's original question again was
Speaker 2: about how, you know, how do you get better candidates.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's the federal system so much as
Speaker 2: it's the parties and how they won the run the primaries.
Speaker 2: And it's an interesting question. Yeah, you know, when the
Speaker 2: until nineteen sixty, you know, the pre nineteen sixty system
Speaker 2: where it was basically the parties, party bosses or party
Speaker 2: leaders were picking the nominees. Whether that was a better
Speaker 2: system for quality control than the popular primaries, Yeah, not
Speaker 2: sure popular, but I think it's popular primaries that are
Speaker 2: a fault. They also allow I know, I'm not gonna say,
Speaker 2: I don't mean to say this against Trump, but it
Speaker 2: also allows someone like Trump, who's a complete outsider, to
Speaker 2: just kind of right swoop in and conduct a hostile
Speaker 2: takeover of the party. I don't think Trump would have
Speaker 2: could have gotten nominated in the day when a political
Speaker 2: you know, when the party leaders ran the nomination process.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, the party leaders probably wouldn't have
Speaker 3: picked Ronald Reagan either, So it's amaxing think so you're
Speaker 3: the experts early. Oh yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I agree with everything you just said, John,
Speaker 4: But the whole thing is given the lie by the
Speaker 4: current political situation with Kamala Harris because she was chosen
Speaker 4: more or less by party leaders, and you know, she's
Speaker 4: a truly terrible candidate. I know that it's really not
Speaker 4: fair to.
Speaker 2: No. No, I actually agree with you. I think Harris
Speaker 2: is the example of the way it used to work.
Speaker 3: Well, yes or no, I mean I.
Speaker 4: Think they would have chosen someone better.
Speaker 3: Oh No, I think when, especially if Harris loses, I
Speaker 3: think you're going to hear all kinds of reporting, perhaps
Speaker 3: pretty soon, but certainly within the next six months that
Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi and Obama and probably the Clintons and other
Speaker 3: grandees did not want her to be the nominee. But Harris, Harris,
Speaker 3: you know, Biden put his photo the scales right. Oh no,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm absolutely there's allen rumors of this already. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there have been rumors of this already. And and you
Speaker 3: know Harris, he bulldozed everybody very quickly. She did move
Speaker 3: with great dispatch to nail it down, and she had
Speaker 3: Clyburne on her side. And so I think, so Ka.
Speaker 2: Harris, who can't run a national campaign has been such
Speaker 2: a disaster, was actually this great Machiavelian figure behind the
Speaker 2: scenes the nomination. The obvious explanation that it was Obama's
Speaker 2: people who were also Biden's people who coronated her.
Speaker 3: No, no, I I think I think we're gonna learn
Speaker 3: it's really it's been. It's been pretty reported that Pelosi
Speaker 3: was against it. Uh and Obama will see about But
Speaker 3: you know, Obama and Biden, there's no love loss between
Speaker 3: those two guys. I remember that. You know Obama's famous
Speaker 3: statement proof once again with the garbage comment, Uh is
Speaker 3: don't underestimate Biden's ability to f things up right.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 4: So let me just say one quick I know you
Speaker 4: want me to bring this to a close, Steed, but
Speaker 4: one quick thing. The Hill. The Hill had an article
Speaker 4: today Democrats start to point fingers. Yeah, and it's it's
Speaker 4: all exactly, and it's all the things you guys just
Speaker 4: talked about and more. But it's all It's interesting because
Speaker 4: there's no self awareness there, which is it's the reason
Speaker 4: that Kamala Harris is a bad candidate and Waltz is
Speaker 4: an even worse candidate. Actually is not. The reason that
Speaker 4: the left things that they're bad candidates is that they
Speaker 4: don't understand how to make progressive awful progressive politics palatable
Speaker 4: like by like Obama did for instance, and even Biden
Speaker 4: to some extent. So they made the wrong choice because
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is just no good at the kind of
Speaker 4: lies that are necessary to cover up the progressive project
Speaker 4: that she firmly, firmly believes in. And there's no self
Speaker 4: awareness of that that. Yeah, you guys get it. I
Speaker 4: don't want to go on. I'm asking for two predictions
Speaker 4: from you guys. The first one is who will win
Speaker 4: and the second one is if that person wins, will
Speaker 4: the other side riot?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll go first, Trump's gonna win, and yes, the
Speaker 3: other side is gonna riot and maybe a lot.
Speaker 2: I agree with Steve, I think, but I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not with Steve on I think it's gonna be significant.
Speaker 2: Think it's to be really really close. I think Trump
Speaker 2: is barely gonna win, and because of that, the left
Speaker 2: is gonna riot. I think that if Trump won, you know, significantly,
Speaker 2: it'd be hard for the left to right. If the
Speaker 2: American people like definitively said they want Trump back, but
Speaker 2: if it's close, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna They're
Speaker 2: the ones who are gonna be pressuring the vice president,
Speaker 2: who happens to be Kamala Harris.
Speaker 6: Not to count starting electoral votes this time. Kamala might
Speaker 6: hire our friend Johnny Sman to be her lawyer.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: Gosh, yeah, you guys. And if Harris wins, okay, I'm
Speaker 4: not predicting that she will. I am actually predicting, like Steve,
Speaker 4: that it's not gonna be as close as you think, John,
Speaker 4: But you know, mostly because the the polsters who are smarter,
Speaker 4: who have done better in the past, who actually got
Speaker 4: both twenty twenty and twenty sixteen right, they're they're predicting
Speaker 4: a larger Trump win. But anyway, we don't have to
Speaker 4: do that right now. I do want to ask you, though,
Speaker 4: if Harris were to win, what does the what what
Speaker 4: does the gun toting, despicable, deplorable.
Speaker 3: Bit of garbage people, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Garbage people, what do they do?
Speaker 2: They do they do? Like the three of us, they
Speaker 2: moved to Texas.
Speaker 4: Texas is in the not in the win category, in
Speaker 4: the the sure thing category. Texas I think is red
Speaker 4: on rcp's map, but it's not. It's not a sure thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to win it. It's well, here's why
Speaker 3: I think will happen. I mean, I think it will
Speaker 3: depend on whether there is widespread belief that Harris won
Speaker 3: by cheating, and if they're you know, if we also
Speaker 3: have some really big anomalies like we did last time,
Speaker 3: all bets are off, I could I could see people
Speaker 3: on our team getting really angry and taking to the streets.
Speaker 2: I don't really see conservatives or Republicans going out and
Speaker 2: protesting it. I think that's really you know a black
Speaker 2: that's gonna be like it's gonna be like black lives
Speaker 2: matter much much worse.
Speaker 3: Don't you remember the don't you remember the Brooks Brothers
Speaker 3: County in two thousand.
Speaker 6: I actually recognized several friends friends of that and that
Speaker 6: pseudo protest.
Speaker 4: That was okay, we could have a trucker thing like
Speaker 4: they did. You never know, all right, So on along
Speaker 4: those lines. Nation takes solace in the fact that, no
Speaker 4: matter who wins the election, the political text messages will stop. Yes,
Speaker 4: I probably get fifty a day now from both sides.
Speaker 2: Do you get any, Steve, I get get a few.
Speaker 3: I get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel so left out.
Speaker 4: No, you should feel so happy. Oh it's awful. Wife
Speaker 4: breathes sigh of relief after voting for Trump in the
Speaker 4: privacy of her voting booth, away from the watchful eye
Speaker 4: of creepy feminist husband. You gotta like that. You did
Speaker 4: see that? That that ad? Right?
Speaker 5: John? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not seeing any ads.
Speaker 4: This one I haven't. I never seen as an ad.
Speaker 4: I've seen it reported on. I guess is the right
Speaker 4: way to put it.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 4: I'll leave that one. Democrats scream and fury after spotting
Speaker 4: child that made it out of the womb alive. Did
Speaker 4: you see that one at all, John, The lady who
Speaker 4: attacked the baby, the little dollar, Yeah, she was I.
Speaker 2: Don't know where, outside.
Speaker 4: Outside of a somebody's rally. I don't know if it
Speaker 4: was it was Harris's or Trump's. But the dad is
Speaker 4: there and has the little toddler and a stroller in
Speaker 4: this white terre and just starts screaming obscenities at the
Speaker 4: little toddler about the toddler's father. It's awful. And the
Speaker 4: nice thing is is that this another Harris supporter who's
Speaker 4: a black woman, is standing next to her. She's like
Speaker 4: stopping her and saying, this is not good. You can't
Speaker 4: do this. And so she becomes the hero of the
Speaker 4: internet and the other one becomes the demon. But anyway, John,
Speaker 4: you have got to get in get in touch with
Speaker 4: the culture.
Speaker 3: He needs to give out more.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in touch with the culture.
Speaker 2: I'm an elitist. I want to stay far away from
Speaker 2: popular culture. What are you talking about? Okay?
Speaker 4: Tim Walls asks which button depress in Madden to make
Speaker 4: players slap each other's butts. Oh that is so bad.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: Okay, last one Biden fitted with muzzle so he can't
Speaker 4: bite any more babies.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's so weird.
Speaker 2: That picture so weird.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's done that kind of thing before, but
Speaker 4: that one's sort of the worst.
Speaker 2: Really, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I call him a corrupt pedophile all the time. John,
Speaker 4: He's always walking up to little kids and biting them
Speaker 4: and sniffing their hair and kissing on them.
Speaker 3: And he might just little cannibal. I don't know anyway.
Speaker 3: All right, John, send us out. We're way long.
Speaker 2: I'll always drink your whiskey.
Speaker 4: Meat.
Speaker 2: Let's go, Brandon and Steve. What's our sign off today?
Speaker 3: I have a new one I'm going to go with
Speaker 3: for a while. I hope you'll get the reference and
Speaker 3: it is. I hope your beeper doesn't go off.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: If you don't like who's in there, squatter, Election Day
Speaker 3: all about the.
Speaker 4: Biggest gone we've got.
Speaker 2: It's called the ballad books. So if you don't like
Speaker 2: who's in there, vote them out. Oh I'm out, I'm out,
Speaker 2: Vote on out. And when they're gone, we'll sing and
Speaker 2: dance and shall bring some new ones in and we'll
Speaker 2: start that ricochet.
Speaker 3: Join the conversation.