Speaker 1: It's Nice Eye.
Speaker 2: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: Before we spent last hour talking about reparations for Boston's
Speaker 1: black community. Our guest was the Reverend Kevin Peterson, who
Speaker 1: has been a leader in this effort. And I think
Speaker 1: we will continue to talk about that. And again, I
Speaker 1: know that viewpoints are strong on the issue and that
Speaker 1: people disagree, but that's okay. That's what we do here
Speaker 1: in Nightside, and we can always do it in a
Speaker 1: way in which is civil, just as last night's debate
Speaker 1: was was civil between the Republican and Democratic candidates for
Speaker 1: Vice President, Senator Vance of Ohio and Governor Waltz Walls
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. And we may get to that a little
Speaker 1: bit later on tonight too, but in the meantime, let's
Speaker 1: get to more phone calls and exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Going to go to stup in Pennsylvania. Stu, you're next
Speaker 1: Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see Dan, and.
Speaker 4: I guess runs gone. I have a question about the
Speaker 4: reverend what what church and what faith is he from?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, to be really honest with you, I
Speaker 1: I could look that up. There's a there's a very vibrant,
Speaker 1: you know, a black church, Black churches here in Boston,
Speaker 1: which has been you know, active for for for decades,
Speaker 1: and so he is of of that those faith groups.
Speaker 1: But I'll again, I should know that off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. But you go ahead and make whatever
Speaker 1: comment while I look that up for you, go right ahead.
Speaker 4: Well is this reverend a black man or is he
Speaker 4: a white man?
Speaker 1: No, he's he's he's a black minister.
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, Well here's the analogy. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: took a crayle crayon box, there must be fifty different
Speaker 4: colors in there. Yeah, and uh, I don't really see
Speaker 4: aces a black or white.
Speaker 1: By the way, just to answer your question, he's an
Speaker 1: ordained minister based at the Metropolitan Baptist Church in the
Speaker 1: Dorchester section of Boston, and he is a graduate of
Speaker 1: the School of Theology at Boston University, where doctor Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King graduated from about fifty years ago, well more
Speaker 1: than fifty years ago now, back sometime in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 4: Okay, what my analogy is is all colors than a
Speaker 4: crowd on box. They're not just black or white. And
Speaker 4: the people they gain their.
Speaker 1: You're busting stew You're you're busted up on me here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask Rob to bring your uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, if you're in a bad spot, if you're driving,
Speaker 1: if you're in a car, and then we'll get back
Speaker 1: to you. I promise. Let me go to uh. Don't
Speaker 1: lose to and make and make sure he can call
Speaker 1: us back if we do lose him. Okay, Warren in
Speaker 1: Fall River, Warren, you were next to a Nightsacer right ahead?
Speaker 3: Hey, Dan, Yeah, there's a singing that like, if you
Speaker 3: keep on looking back, you can never know where you're going.
Speaker 3: Well when when you if you can never go forward,
Speaker 3: if you if you keep keep on looking backstand you
Speaker 3: know no, and it's you know, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 3: you know, to put.
Speaker 1: Another way or to put another way. It's tough to
Speaker 1: drive your car when you're only looking through the rearview.
Speaker 3: Mirror exactly exactly. Yeah. But yeah, there's no one alive
Speaker 3: from from that error. And and I don't I mean,
Speaker 3: why should a person like myself be punished, you know,
Speaker 3: with my with my tax fair dollar two for something
Speaker 3: that I never did that I.
Speaker 1: Was not I know, I understand that, I understand that question.
Speaker 1: I think that is fundamentally the best question the reason
Speaker 1: that I thought it was interesting to have Reverend Peterson
Speaker 1: on tonight. Uh And and I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure people understand that is I've had him on before.
Speaker 1: He had an event at the Park Street Church here
Speaker 1: in the Arlington Street Church excuse me, in Boston, which
Speaker 1: is a church right on the corner of Arlington and
Speaker 1: in Newbury Street downtown, right by the way the public garden.
Speaker 1: And it didn't generate a lot of media interest. There
Speaker 1: were no TV stations that I could find that covered it.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Boston Globeal, the Boston Herald covered it.
Speaker 1: Only w b Z Radio covered it. And I just thought, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, they're making a statement. This involves Protestant, white,
Speaker 1: white Protestant churches in Boston, some very old churches. And
Speaker 1: he told me that the group not only signed this statement,
Speaker 1: these pastors signed the statement, but in addition to that,
Speaker 1: they had pledged a total of fifty million dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if the churches want to pledge that, that's that's.
Speaker 1: Fine, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was talking, but he was talking about going
Speaker 3: into like bonds and you know, tax payers, could you
Speaker 3: know it would have to would have to pony up
Speaker 3: and what would have to be done with that, and
Speaker 3: I disagree with that.
Speaker 1: And I think that if the City of Boston were
Speaker 1: and when we get to that point, I want to
Speaker 1: see the commitment of fifty billion, fifty million dollars. That's
Speaker 1: a significant amount of money. If if that commitment is fulfilled.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to virtue signal and say I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this, I'm going to do that. If that
Speaker 1: commitment is fulfilled, and then how is that money used?
Speaker 1: Fifty million dollars sounds like a huge amount.
Speaker 3: Of money, but it is a huge amount of money, right.
Speaker 1: But in Boston, in Boston, if you were to divide,
Speaker 1: let's say that there are if I hit the guests,
Speaker 1: just just say that there are one hundred thousand black
Speaker 1: people in Boston. You're talking about somewhere around maybe five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per percon or something. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: to I mean, it's not a huge amount of money
Speaker 1: when it breaks down on an individual basis, and it's
Speaker 1: just to be interesting. That's the first step. And now
Speaker 1: if next five years from now, the City of Boston
Speaker 1: say we're going to increase everybody's property taxes, you know,
Speaker 1: to create a fifteen billion dollar endowment of some sort whatever.
Speaker 1: We talk about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're I mean, we're already doing that with
Speaker 3: the illegals, you know, you know, I mean we're our
Speaker 3: tax bills are going to explode in the next two
Speaker 3: three years because of what more Heally's doing apps And
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, yeah, I see society bending over
Speaker 3: backwards to appease what happened with slavery and all stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and you know, with affirmative action and all these.
Speaker 1: Other affirmative action is a bit of an acknowledgment of
Speaker 1: past practices. I to be honest with you, I'm more concerned,
Speaker 1: initially momentarily about the influx of people who are coming
Speaker 1: into this country who have never contributed to this country
Speaker 1: in any form of fashion, absolutely, and are coming in here.
Speaker 1: We don't even know who they are. You saw those
Speaker 1: statistics last week, that Holding Insecurity release, which indicated that
Speaker 1: there were a lot of bad people. We knew there
Speaker 1: were bad people, but those figures are just astonishing. I'm
Speaker 1: very much because I think you're talking there about not
Speaker 1: just billions, hundreds of billions, trillions of.
Speaker 3: Dollars, Yeah, it would be trillions, and just one more
Speaker 3: point and then I'll let you go. You know, this
Speaker 3: reparation should have taken place right after the Civil War. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like if it was going to happen, that's when it
Speaker 3: would have should have happened, and you could have held
Speaker 3: people were actively doing that part of the part of
Speaker 3: the problem accountable. But you know, to like, I mean,
Speaker 3: how long has it been since slavery has been eradicated? Yeah? Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: one's eighteen sixty three is the sixty three, so that
Speaker 3: we're going on almost you know, like we're going over
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty years. Yeah, absolutely, and so there's
Speaker 3: no one. Yeah. So again, you know, I feel I
Speaker 3: feel bad that America had slavery, but you know, you know,
Speaker 3: we you know, we've we've been society beens over backwards
Speaker 3: to try to appease it the best that they can.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think ultimately it comes down to a political issue,
Speaker 1: to be really honest with you. Yeah, And if a
Speaker 1: city of Boston, through its leadership, said we want to
Speaker 1: put fifteen billion dollars aside, that that is that's up
Speaker 1: to the City of Boston and their and their leadership.
Speaker 1: I mean, the I think the Boston budget is somewhere
Speaker 1: around four I think it's about four trillion dollars. The
Speaker 1: City of Boston budget, which includes obviously salaries for all
Speaker 1: the city employees and expenses. The state budget is about
Speaker 1: fifty eight billion dollars. And I hope if I said trillion,
Speaker 1: I'm meant to say billion. Fifty eight billion dollars. And
Speaker 1: the the homeless shelter program or the the the immigrant
Speaker 1: you know, right. The shelter program has cost the city
Speaker 1: rather the state a billion dollars last year, will cost
Speaker 1: another billion dollars this year. So absolutely runs into real
Speaker 1: money after a while.
Speaker 3: Warn oh, yeah, run in the real money.
Speaker 1: Billion a billionaire and a billionaire you got, you got some.
Speaker 3: Real Yeah, like a person like myself don't doesn't have.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm scraping Nichols to get by right now.
Speaker 3: I had a lucky day to day. I found a
Speaker 3: penny on the street.
Speaker 1: I walked out of the gym this morning and right
Speaker 1: on the driveway there was a penny. I picked it up.
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I picked pennies up.
Speaker 3: Thanks one, Yeah, thanks, okay, thanks again, Dan.
Speaker 1: Talk to Thanks great. You'll get Stu coming back on
Speaker 1: the other side of the break. Just tell Stu make
Speaker 1: sure he's okay, coming back. I got George, I got Patrick,
Speaker 1: I got room for you. But this is the secret
Speaker 1: number six one seven reparations for Boston. It's different types.
Speaker 1: The first that we're talking about is some white Protestant
Speaker 1: churches in Boston. It would be very interesting to see
Speaker 1: if they follow through on this pledge. We'll certainly will
Speaker 1: follow that for you. And then Reverend Kevin Peterson, who
Speaker 1: was with us earlier. He is currently a graduate student
Speaker 1: at the School of Theology, Boston University and founded the
Speaker 1: New Democraties Coalition and the Fantal Hall Race and Reconciliation Project,
Speaker 1: so he's been very busy on these issues. To answer
Speaker 1: Stu's questions, Stu, we're going to come back to and
Speaker 1: you'll hopefully have a better line. We'll be back on
Speaker 1: Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: We're going back to Stu. Let's see if we get
Speaker 1: that line cleared up. Stu, I hope it's a better line.
Speaker 4: Go right ahead, Yeah, Dan, Well, as I was saying,
Speaker 4: I don't think all the money in the world would
Speaker 4: rectify something that happened through the ages, to all cultures,
Speaker 4: all colors, and then to judge people on two colors,
Speaker 4: black or white. If you look at a crayon boxer
Speaker 4: must be fifty different colors. And that's the way humanity
Speaker 4: is now. I'm not saying slavery wasn't wrong, but who
Speaker 4: sold these people to these slave ship owners that brought
Speaker 4: them over here? And by the way, one of the
Speaker 4: first slave owners in this country was a black man.
Speaker 4: I don't think money's gonna rectify this. This kind of
Speaker 4: reminds me of the church when they say, if you
Speaker 4: were molested by the church, we're going to give you money. Well,
Speaker 4: the church isn't actually giving the money. The congregation that
Speaker 4: comes into the church is giving the church the money
Speaker 4: to give to the poor children that were molested. And
Speaker 4: that's like a ring in a tree. That ring will
Speaker 4: be there forever.
Speaker 1: No, it's absolutely true. And by the way, that whole
Speaker 1: crisis in Boston was the center, the epicenter in many
Speaker 1: respects of that horrific abuse that that has incredibly damaged
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church in Boston. It's just incredible to realize
Speaker 1: the damage that that was done, and that not only
Speaker 1: was it done by the the aberrant priests. But it
Speaker 1: also was there was a cover up, which is even
Speaker 1: worse than you know, as they always say, the cover
Speaker 1: up is worse than the crime. Well, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: any crime being worse than molesting kids. But I used
Speaker 1: to see that the leaders of the Catholic church in
Speaker 1: Boston at the time did not say, bring those priests
Speaker 1: in here. They moved them around from Paris to Paris.
Speaker 1: Bring those priests in here. I want to rip their calls.
Speaker 4: The biggest crime it is, and all the money in
Speaker 4: the world's not going to rectify that. It's a ring
Speaker 4: and a tree, and that ring will be there forever.
Speaker 4: People should start getting back to judging people by their soul,
Speaker 4: not by color. This color stuff is just going to
Speaker 4: divide us. So I see it as a tool to
Speaker 4: keep the people divided. And this is going to create
Speaker 4: more division. And that's what some people in power what
Speaker 4: they want.
Speaker 1: To Stu you've called before. I happen to agree with
Speaker 1: you that part of this is to split us up.
Speaker 1: And you've heard me say many times that the countries
Speaker 1: around the world that we need to be worried about,
Speaker 1: like the Irans and the Chinas and Russia, They don't
Speaker 1: care what your races, they don't care what your background is,
Speaker 1: your ethnicity, they don't care what your level of education is,
Speaker 1: they don't care what your gender is, what your sexual
Speaker 1: preference is. They hate everyone who are Americans. And unless
Speaker 1: we start to understand that we have not been together
Speaker 1: as a country, with a few exceptions when nine to
Speaker 1: eleven occurred, we were good for about a month, but
Speaker 1: then we splintered again. We're a splincht society right now
Speaker 1: and we've been that way for decades.
Speaker 4: And they like it that way. They want the people divided.
Speaker 4: And it's the old statement and united we stand. And
Speaker 4: what are we standing against? Uh? Tyranny? And that's why
Speaker 4: our founders came here and gave us freedom of speech
Speaker 4: first and then second, if the tyranny did not stop,
Speaker 4: we had a way to protect and defend our unalienable
Speaker 4: rights which superseded the Pope, the Bishop, the Queen, the
Speaker 4: king and people in Lord Octon's power. So, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't see this as being the answer. The answer
Speaker 4: is not money.
Speaker 1: Okay, sir, Stu you got it in and the and
Speaker 1: the phone is remarkably good right now, So thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: You met to have a good night.
Speaker 1: Then you do, Stu, keep calling the show. Okay, I
Speaker 1: like you thoughts, thank you very much. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: get one more in here before we got to go
Speaker 1: to break Patrick and Charlestown. Patrick, I do not want
Speaker 1: you to have to wait through the news. You and
Speaker 1: next one, I said.
Speaker 4: Hey, I don't.
Speaker 6: So, just a couple of issues if if you're limited
Speaker 6: all the time.
Speaker 5: Number one was.
Speaker 1: We got a few we got a few minutes. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not cutting you off.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to have you wait through the news.
Speaker 1: On the other side, go right ahead.
Speaker 6: I get you, I get you. So just a couple
Speaker 6: of points I wanted to make real quick and then
Speaker 6: my main point. But number one, standing with all due
Speaker 6: respect to the Reverend Peterson, and I have much respect
Speaker 6: for you, Reverend Peterson, but you know I have questions
Speaker 6: about standing. Does this man have the right to speak
Speaker 6: for all people of a certain ethic group. I don't
Speaker 6: think he does. Number two, Uh, the issue of a
Speaker 6: full and final settlement. Does he somehow have the authority
Speaker 6: to sign off on this settlement permanently, once and for all,
Speaker 6: or is this going to be a continuing stream of
Speaker 6: pursuit of funds.
Speaker 4: I wonder, uh.
Speaker 6: Second, they said, he said that the church is third,
Speaker 6: they said, the church is consented. That's the same thing
Speaker 6: that they said about consent agreements agreed to by all
Speaker 6: municipal police and fire departments around the Boston municipal area,
Speaker 6: all around the rest of the country. Where you would
Speaker 6: get the Department of Justice to Suic City, and then
Speaker 6: the city would have one well placed person sign a
Speaker 6: consent decree, and now every single applicant who was of
Speaker 6: a certain race would be discriminated against pursuant to the
Speaker 6: terms of the consent decree as if they had consented
Speaker 6: to it. But as a matter of fact, is just one,
Speaker 6: one well placed person who is who is consented saying
Speaker 6: the church is consented. I mean that doesn't say the congregants,
Speaker 6: does it?
Speaker 3: Well, I think, well.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I'm what I'm let me just
Speaker 1: respond to that, and I'm not going to rush on
Speaker 1: time here, don't worry. The point is that if you
Speaker 1: happen to be a congregant at one of these churches,
Speaker 1: and the church decides, the pastor or like anything else,
Speaker 1: decides we're going to donate three or four million dollars.
Speaker 1: It's not going to come out of the pastor's pocket
Speaker 1: obviously contribute to it. But he's going to call upon
Speaker 1: his congregation, and it then is up to the congregation
Speaker 1: either to rise to the occasion or to object to
Speaker 1: the request.
Speaker 6: And that pastor and elite left wing liberal Yankee circles
Speaker 6: is going to be revered. He's going to walk in
Speaker 6: any people are going to beam, and he's going to
Speaker 6: have red, rosy cheeks and be so proud of what
Speaker 6: he just did, given away everyone else's money.
Speaker 1: Well, but again he has to get he has to
Speaker 1: get the We're talking about substantial money here. We're talking
Speaker 1: about fifty million dollars. This is not the church making
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars contribution, which is nothing more than virtual signaling.
Speaker 1: This is a pastor really putting his name in reputation
Speaker 1: and his standing as the head of this congregation. And
Speaker 1: a lot of those churches, they may have people who
Speaker 1: are going to say, whoa wait a second there, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's it's interesting, it's I think it's a very interesting,
Speaker 1: small key political question as to how these churches will respond.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe everybody in the congregation sits there and
Speaker 1: say and nods their head.
Speaker 5: Maybe not if I may.
Speaker 6: I just want to say this too. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't know. The gentleman's well spoken, he seems like seems
Speaker 6: like a very intelligent guy. But I did look up
Speaker 6: his background and he's a student at Boston University. He's
Speaker 6: on the page for the Center for Anti Racist Research,
Speaker 6: which was headed by Ibram X. Kendy, who was given
Speaker 6: fifty million dollars in twenty twenty and which has gone undergone.
Speaker 6: And it's amazing it happens to be fifty There's several sources.
Speaker 6: One says forty million, one says fifty fifty million dollars,
Speaker 6: which apparently they've had a massive problems managing and they
Speaker 6: had to lay off nineteen people just several years later.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think there's been some questions where where the
Speaker 1: money went, what it was used for. It's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons that I, as a graduate of Boston University
Speaker 1: Law School, have have not contributed to my law school
Speaker 1: in a long time.
Speaker 6: At least ten fifty million dollars down the drains. Yet,
Speaker 6: how long is it going to take for Reverend Peterson
Speaker 6: to blow that down the drain?
Speaker 1: I'm just say, let's not assume that I mean Reverend Peterson.
Speaker 6: Assuming it, I'm asking a question.
Speaker 1: No. Well, but I think inherently the question, in honesty
Speaker 1: is that he will put it down the drain. I
Speaker 1: think the question would be, what how will Reverend Peterson
Speaker 1: as the head of the group if he does, if
Speaker 1: these pledges are fulfilled, which I think is an open question,
Speaker 1: how is that money dispersed by him?
Speaker 6: Look at the implication. Look at the implications for church attendees.
Speaker 6: Vermont's Catholic diocese just went bankrupt settling claims, and that
Speaker 6: is good, honest people who want to go to church
Speaker 6: and worship. Odd they have had their entire diases go
Speaker 6: into bankruptcy because of lawsuits and grifting and pressuring because money.
Speaker 1: Because Jesus bad leadership within the capitol there.
Speaker 6: Jesus, give us money, Dear Jesus, Please give us money.
Speaker 6: Dear Jesus, won't you please give us more money? Please
Speaker 6: give us fifty million dollars?
Speaker 1: Dear Jesus. Oh, the tell you, Patrick, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're still a church goer. When I go to
Speaker 1: services at Catholic churches, I'm on the wrong side of
Speaker 1: fifty and I'm one of the younger members of the
Speaker 1: congregation that it's frightening to think that, yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, that's the destruction of the family. Then
Speaker 6: that's the destructive family.
Speaker 1: A lot of that there. I can remember as a
Speaker 1: kid going to you know, churches on Sunday or Saturday
Speaker 1: night with the family, and then on Sunday there'll be
Speaker 1: a family dinner. You know that that has changed. But
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church does have the additional problem of the
Speaker 1: petiph File priest scandal, and there was no willingness of
Speaker 1: the church to recognize that they were people in their employment,
Speaker 1: you know, priests her aberrant, aberrant behavior with children, and
Speaker 1: even when it was brought to the attention of Cardinal
Speaker 1: law and others in position of authority, they chose to
Speaker 1: treat this aberrant behavior as whiskey priests and sent them
Speaker 1: to just move them around from parish to parish. And
Speaker 1: all it did was it gave the aberrant priests a
Speaker 1: new flock of young children to abuse.
Speaker 6: Sadly, and I grew up in this city during that
Speaker 6: whole time.
Speaker 1: I'm well, well, no, no, I'm not lecturing you, not
Speaker 1: lecturing you, Patrick, I'm making sure that people understand that
Speaker 1: as someone who grew up Catholic still thinks of himself
Speaker 1: as a very imperfect, practicing Catholic. I'm appalled by what
Speaker 1: has has gone on within my church. I recently came
Speaker 1: back from Rome. By the way, Patrick, I led a
Speaker 1: group of nightside listeners on a trip to Rome and
Speaker 1: Mouthfee Coast. We were inside the Vatican. The amount of
Speaker 1: money that that is inside the Vatican, in terms of
Speaker 1: the artwork and the buildings, is astronomical, and I don't
Speaker 1: think much of those funds have ever been used for
Speaker 1: anything other than Vatican City, if you get.
Speaker 6: My drift, well, which the Catholic Church has fed a
Speaker 6: lot of hungry mouths, and it's educated a lot of people,
Speaker 6: I think, including maybe even you, so so.
Speaker 1: Wonderful things at wonderful hospital schools. I defend the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: the history of the Catholic Church, but I'm not going
Speaker 1: to defend the way in which men became priests. The
Speaker 1: educational system did not recognize they were They were people
Speaker 1: who obviously had severe personal problems. They were pedophiles, and
Speaker 1: and and then even when they were caught in the
Speaker 1: practice of pedophilia, they were not disciplined and removed from priesthood,
Speaker 1: and they were simply transferred by the leadership in this
Speaker 1: di diocese to other churches.
Speaker 6: That's awful. That's awful. Last thing I want to make
Speaker 6: is I think Stu brought up a point, and he
Speaker 6: brought up, how you know there's fifty different Crayola crayons
Speaker 6: in the box, and there's there's so many people who
Speaker 6: have ethnic grievances, including Irish people who have been through
Speaker 6: who have been through untold misery.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 6: But but there's you know what in just in the
Speaker 6: United States, if we're going to start giving reparations, I
Speaker 6: think we then have an obligation to do a full
Speaker 6: and fair ledger of ethnic grievances. Like a good place
Speaker 6: to start Massachusetts would be to go through all our
Speaker 6: records and human resources locate every single person whiteer, Asian,
Speaker 6: or a man who's been bypassed for a job. We
Speaker 6: could do it. We have the technology.
Speaker 4: We put a man on the moon, we do what.
Speaker 6: We find each and every single one of those people
Speaker 6: and we contact them and now we have a ledger
Speaker 6: of ethnic grievances and all ethnic groups get to come
Speaker 6: to the table and all ethnic groups get to file
Speaker 6: their claims, but against the.
Speaker 1: Country, Patrick, and I understand the point you're making, But
Speaker 1: what this does it shreds US as a society of Americans,
Speaker 1: because whoever is figuring this stuff out are going to
Speaker 1: pit the people like you and me who happen to
Speaker 1: be Irish against people who were Italians, against people who
Speaker 1: were Jewish, against people who were Yankees. It would never end.
Speaker 1: But I understand the point you're making.
Speaker 6: You know that one last thing, one last thing, if
Speaker 6: you'd be so kind, I just want to say, my
Speaker 6: American African American brothers and sisters, I see you, and
Speaker 6: I acknowledge the suffering you've been through over the years,
Speaker 6: and I don't mean to disrespect that. I know how
Speaker 6: much you've been through, and I don't think anybody, anybody
Speaker 6: would down play that for one second. So all right,
Speaker 6: thank you for your time, Dan.
Speaker 1: Thank you, you've got You've got a good amount of
Speaker 1: time there. Thanks, we'll take a break. We're a little
Speaker 1: late for the news. Coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 2: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna keep rolling here. We're talking about an
Speaker 1: hour that we just conducted concluded with Reverend Kevin Peterson
Speaker 1: talking about reparations for Boston's black community. Where are we
Speaker 1: gonna go next? Let's go to George in Bridgewater. George,
Speaker 1: you are next on Nightside. Welcome?
Speaker 8: Yeah, how you doing?
Speaker 4: How you doing?
Speaker 5: Dan?
Speaker 1: Doing great? George? Thanks for calling in. What's your take
Speaker 1: on this?
Speaker 4: Oh, you're very welcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I'm wondering if the pastes from the white churches have
Speaker 8: already discussed this, the ones that have already signed, I'm
Speaker 8: reading that some have signed, and there are others that
Speaker 8: have not signed yet, if they're discussing this with the flock,
Speaker 8: because I think they do this make a commitment.
Speaker 1: You certainly would hope they would.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when they but I think when they start putting
Speaker 8: money in the box and and the pastor is asking
Speaker 8: for more money for reparations, I think they're going to
Speaker 8: be losing half of their flock. So I think there's
Speaker 8: some ramifications there that you know, if my I'm Catholic,
Speaker 8: you know that if my chair said, you know, you
Speaker 8: need to kind of double up on what you're paying
Speaker 8: for reparations for just blacks in Boston. We have blacks
Speaker 8: and Brockton to what about them, I would leave that church.
Speaker 8: I would I just because, like many of your colleges
Speaker 8: have said, we can't go back. It's over with and
Speaker 8: throw money at this problem is not going to fix it.
Speaker 1: Well, again, that's a point of view that I think
Speaker 1: is a legitimate point of view, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's a point of view that different people have pressed
Speaker 1: differently tonight, and it's something people need to think about.
Speaker 1: As they say, I think that this in theory seems
Speaker 1: great and justifiable. But we as a country right now
Speaker 1: have a thirty six trillion dollar federal debt that is
Speaker 1: a time bomb that is ticking and it will affect everyone.
Speaker 1: It's like being in a room where there's there's a
Speaker 1: hand grenade in which someone has pulled the pin. Nobody
Speaker 1: is going to be unimpacted by that hand grenade unless
Speaker 1: they get out of the room.
Speaker 8: Well, you were sinuating what the pastor wants to do
Speaker 8: here in Boston will go country wide and we'll add
Speaker 8: more to our debt. Obviously, I read today between fifteen
Speaker 8: and twenty two trillion dollars.
Speaker 4: You know, if we was to pay.
Speaker 8: Reparations for slavery, that.
Speaker 1: Would be that would be nationally I assume, but yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. What I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: that if we want to talk about I don't know
Speaker 1: how we pay off our national debt. I mean, can
Speaker 1: you imagine having a debt on your credit card which
Speaker 1: is maybe one hundred and fifty percent of your salary?
Speaker 1: Would you think, Let's assume you make seventy thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and you have one hundred thousand dollars in credit card debt,
Speaker 1: and you have no idea how are you going to
Speaker 1: pay that off? You got to live on your money,
Speaker 1: you have to eat, you have to pay rent, you
Speaker 1: have to pay a mortgage or whatever. You cannot pay
Speaker 1: that down once it gets to that point. I don't
Speaker 1: know how we are ever going to pay down our
Speaker 1: federal debt. And by the way, that is owed by
Speaker 1: every American citizen of black, white, all sorts of backgrounds,
Speaker 1: whatever their gender is. That's something that everybody should be
Speaker 1: concerned about, but we're not.
Speaker 4: You know, it's right, Well, you know I did.
Speaker 8: I did the numbers, you know, on fifty million, and
Speaker 8: there's one hundred and fifty thousand blacks in just Boston,
Speaker 8: which I think you know would not make the Broncton
Speaker 8: Blacks too happy that would come out to be three
Speaker 8: hundred and thirty dollars. I think that's an insult.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know the total.
Speaker 1: It sounds like great, fifty million dollars, but it's three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars. It's a it's a couple
Speaker 1: of restaurant meals.
Speaker 8: You had a great show with the Reverence before on
Speaker 8: the fanual haul Hall. You know, it was him and
Speaker 8: three other passes that changed himself to the door with
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty thousand blacks in Boston. He couldn't
Speaker 8: round up anymore. This guy is looking for his five
Speaker 8: minutes of the fame. I really, I really don't.
Speaker 1: Know what do do me a favorite? Since he's not here,
Speaker 1: don't don't criticize him. I have him on he he
Speaker 1: did an event, uh, and he's raising an important issue.
Speaker 1: And I think that if we ignore the issue, I
Speaker 1: think it's better to deal with it and have people
Speaker 1: consider it and go from there. And as they say,
Speaker 1: as these churches, I was pressing him a little bit
Speaker 1: on what churches. I wish he would have said to me, Hey,
Speaker 1: this church pledged ten this this church is pledged twenty.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the church will get the money,
Speaker 1: but maybe they have a lot of money in some
Speaker 1: of these churches.
Speaker 8: They're they're told they're going to have to you know,
Speaker 8: I'll stare whatever.
Speaker 1: Hey, George, always great, always great to hear your boys.
Speaker 8: So, my man, it's very great that it's nice to
Speaker 8: talk to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, You talk to you soon.
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Speaker 4: Thirteen years.
Speaker 5: I love your show.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go. This has been two hours of conversation,
Speaker 1: which has been fun. John in Boston, John next on Nightside.
Speaker 5: Welcome, Hi, aren't right? I'm okay, good, good evening. I
Speaker 5: will not be quite as eloquent. I'm afraid as many
Speaker 5: of your callers, but I must say I'm totally against
Speaker 5: this reparation business.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: I feel that society in general has been been creating
Speaker 5: groups or classes, if you will, of professional Uh well
Speaker 5: I won't say crib that's the wrong word, but professional victims,
Speaker 5: professional victims, you know, like this this happened. You know,
Speaker 5: how far back are we going to go in our history?
Speaker 5: I mean all of us are at one point. I
Speaker 5: guess we're avement type people. Knuckle dragons if you will.
Speaker 5: What does that mean now that we have to go
Speaker 5: that's how back in? And this sounds dumb. I number
Speaker 5: like re issue some kind of knuckled prevention, knuckled dragon.
Speaker 1: Prevention back a little fello. That would be a little ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know they have. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: think you can. You can. You certainly are able to
Speaker 1: go back a couple one hundred years, you know, slavery,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So that's that's the argument that's been made.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's going to try to go back
Speaker 1: much beyond that. I mean, we were people arrived in
Speaker 1: this country other than the Native Americans who were here
Speaker 1: in you know, sixteen twenty or sixteen ten. If you're
Speaker 1: going to count Jamestown, which I guess you know we
Speaker 1: count Plymouth. The people in Virginia count Jamestown. So but
Speaker 1: guess what it's it's it's it's an issue that is
Speaker 1: being raised legitimately by people, and it's an issue that
Speaker 1: needs to be faced and discussed. I'm pretty straightforward on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just can't say, guess what, I don't
Speaker 1: agree with it, So therefore let's take it off the table.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think it
Speaker 1: was a good conversation to in my opinion.
Speaker 5: Well, discussion is one thing. Discussion most the time is
Speaker 5: doesn't cost too.
Speaker 1: Much, right, but.
Speaker 5: The meaning of the discussion is rather ludicrous. I mean,
Speaker 5: fifty million right now and x number all to the
Speaker 5: other fifteen billion down the road, and what.
Speaker 1: About actually runs into some real money?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you know what was that? What is that expression?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this and that and then it becomes real money.
Speaker 1: You got it? You got it. Hey, John, you did
Speaker 1: a good job. I don't know. Have you called before?
Speaker 1: Is this your first time calling?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: I called once or twenty four?
Speaker 1: Well call more often. You get used to it. You
Speaker 1: did a good job, Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: I had a little butterflies, but thank you.
Speaker 1: That's okay, they go away eventually. Talk to you soon,
Speaker 1: every great one. Okay, good night. Let me get a
Speaker 1: couple more in here, at least maybe three, maybe four.
Speaker 1: Gary and Woburn, can you be quick for me.
Speaker 5: Gary, you're talking about reparations of the pretrecherous parts of
Speaker 5: the victims. Still, yeah, right, okay, obviously let them do it,
Speaker 5: let them have a ball. Why all the person is
Speaker 5: out there? Are you older people who are men and women?
Speaker 5: Because I'm sixty one, you go there, you give you
Speaker 5: a dollar bill, a five dollar bill in the offering.
Speaker 5: Don't do it anymore. Let the churches suffer and decision.
Speaker 5: What made the wrong decisions? Now we're broke? You like that?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that different churches will approach it differently.
Speaker 1: There may be some well funded churches who will make
Speaker 1: a commitment and they'll follow through on it. There may
Speaker 1: be others who might have parishioners will say, wait a second,
Speaker 1: you know that's not what I'm coming to church. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, different churches may respond differently.
Speaker 5: Okay, last one is this. I'm just like a meet
Speaker 5: head on all the family. I'm an agnostic. I question
Speaker 5: the existence from court, but I don't reign on anybody's parade.
Speaker 5: I've said this before, and your own Jack HoTT, who
Speaker 5: represents your station, gave his own opinion. He said, everybody's
Speaker 5: old fashion in life. Let it continue. Let the church,
Speaker 5: the priests not be married. I say, let them get married,
Speaker 5: get rid of the tradition.
Speaker 1: A little off topic. We'll save that for another night. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but thanks man, Doug. Too soon a compelling issue. But
Speaker 1: for another night. Where are we going to go next?
Speaker 1: Let me go to fill in Boston.
Speaker 7: Fill you go ahead, Yeah, I just got the I
Speaker 7: just got those guys, Butterfly. Yeah. I came in later
Speaker 7: in this, but I just him, and later in this
Speaker 7: I'm thinking I'm in Ben. I wasn't a call. But
Speaker 7: the reparations, what about the reparations for the guys we
Speaker 7: lost the fight in the South and one in the
Speaker 7: considered a wall. All the white guys that died trying
Speaker 7: to get three big guys that we're trying to give
Speaker 7: money to. Why don't they find out those guys? Maybe
Speaker 7: give the guy the first black guy that a shot
Speaker 7: and the revolution of his name is Christmas something like that.
Speaker 7: Give his family money. You can pay him. You're a
Speaker 7: big he plays sports to get a out of credit.
Speaker 7: Always a lot of housing sports. But when you play, ideally,
Speaker 7: when you play baseball, hockey, little Devin, you play and
Speaker 7: after the game you you feel bad, you lost, you
Speaker 7: to and you win, but you shake hands, you walk away,
Speaker 7: become friends sometimes even when a bully picks on it.
Speaker 7: Sometimes and you get can you knock them out? You know?
Speaker 7: Then you become friends why is this ever gonna end?
Speaker 1: I think that in our society, in your lifetime, in
Speaker 1: my lifetime, it won't end. And I think that we
Speaker 1: are a shredded society right now. There are people out
Speaker 1: there who want the society exactly.
Speaker 7: But what's gonna What's gonna happen after they get this?
Speaker 7: It's like a blackmail. Wise, we're gonna never get rid
Speaker 7: of the stuff. Man.
Speaker 1: All right, Phil, you got it in. You called late,
Speaker 1: so I got two more.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna try to thanks.
Speaker 1: You get rid of those butterflies. You always do well. Thanks,
Speaker 1: talk to you. Let me go quickly, Joe and Belmont. Joe,
Speaker 1: can you be quick for me? Please? Dan?
Speaker 8: I think Reverend Peter said it is crazy if he
Speaker 8: thinks he's gonna get my money.
Speaker 3: I'm against reparations.
Speaker 1: All right, well i'll tell you. Can you give me
Speaker 1: three reasons why.
Speaker 5: You're for it?
Speaker 1: I didn't say it was for it, but.
Speaker 7: What's your opinion?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I like the conversation. I want people to think, Joe.
Speaker 1: That's I'm not here to tell people how to think.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach them how to how to think.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling them what to think. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: teach them how to think.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was a pleasure, Dan.
Speaker 1: Thanks Joe, talk to you soon. Right back at you, Okay.
Speaker 1: I do have, thankfully thirty seconds for David in the
Speaker 1: north Shore. David, you're gonna assault shot. David, You're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap it up for ust. You gotta be quick. Go ahead, David.
Speaker 9: Hi, Uh, Well, I can't complete this in that short
Speaker 9: of time.
Speaker 1: You could say you got about twenty seconds, or call early,
Speaker 1: you called late, I got you in go ahead.
Speaker 9: Well, I'll just say, Dan, you made a remark don't
Speaker 9: criticize Reverend Peterson on the air, and then you said
Speaker 9: a few minutes ago, don't criticize him when he's not around.
Speaker 9: What do you mean, don't criticize I'm that's another.
Speaker 1: You can criticize someone to their face, but once someone's
Speaker 1: not here, they can't defend themselves. That's all.
Speaker 5: You don't like us to criticize what he's there.
Speaker 1: Well, you could be critical of his ideas. There's the difference.
Speaker 1: Listen to the show more carefully and I think you'll understand. David,
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