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Speaker 3: God. I don't know what.
Speaker 2: It was, but it's from at least to three thousand
Speaker 2: feet above us. See, I passed right over the top
Speaker 2: of us ninety one one.
Speaker 1: You just called both to mee be four RESU they're
Speaker 1: after staying the airplanes.
Speaker 3: He say to God. More calm on an unidentified object
Speaker 3: every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 4: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're
Speaker 2: all doing okay. I'm the Khunter and this is the
Speaker 2: UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest, Kevin, comes to us from
Speaker 2: the state of Florida in the US, and Kevin will
Speaker 2: be sharing a couple of sightings that he's had over
Speaker 2: the years. The first one was while he was on
Speaker 2: deployment in the desert of twenty nine Palms when he
Speaker 2: witnessed a black triang or fly overhead. And then a
Speaker 2: sighting from twenty twenty three when he witnessed something in
Speaker 2: the shape of a dumbbell while he was looking through
Speaker 2: night vision goggles. Kevin is up next, but first, if
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you Nick, it's good to be here.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us tonight and you'll call in
Speaker 2: from Florida in the US. Yes, sir, Now, Kevin, you
Speaker 2: have some strange encounts to share with us. So would
Speaker 2: you like start at the beginning please?
Speaker 1: I would. I'm just to give you a quick background
Speaker 1: on who I am and my experience in aviation. I've
Speaker 1: from the age of nineteen I was working on military planes.
Speaker 1: I worked on Ava B Harriers. I worked on F
Speaker 1: eighteen Alpha, Charlie and Delta model aircraft. I've worked on
Speaker 1: Coobers and Huey's or h Ones h ones. I have
Speaker 1: also worked on transport helicopters for marine corps and I
Speaker 1: have roughly we called roughly twenty five years experience around aviation.
Speaker 1: I've got aircraft carrier, flight deck time, three different ships
Speaker 1: in country Iraq in Afghanistan, seen and been around plenty
Speaker 1: of types of aircraft. I've put my hands on you two's,
Speaker 1: I've been around b ones and B two's, F one
Speaker 1: seventeen's up close all of those aircraft. So I'm relatively
Speaker 1: familiar with at least the what stealth those stealth planes
Speaker 1: look like, but I've never touched them as far as
Speaker 1: worked on them. Done any mainenance on them. I don't
Speaker 1: have that kind of familiarity with them, but seeing them
Speaker 1: in the sky, I can at least pick them out
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, well that's what that was. But that's
Speaker 1: my that's more or less my background with aviation. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty confident in my ability to see something in the
Speaker 1: sky and say, well, you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is. I can admit when I don't know what
Speaker 1: something is, and then I can look at a look
Speaker 1: at a plane or a helicopter ands oh, that's that's
Speaker 1: or even hear them sometimes and be able to tell
Speaker 1: you what it is. So I have enough experience around
Speaker 1: aviation to see things in the sky and know that
Speaker 1: it's probably not anything that I can explain, nor could
Speaker 1: anybody else with me at the times that I've seen
Speaker 1: these things. So we were we were on a deployment
Speaker 1: and twenty nine Palms, just in preparation for big deployments
Speaker 1: to go overseas, and we you know, we live in
Speaker 1: the desert and you work in the desert, and we
Speaker 1: would work. I was on night crew, my particular shift
Speaker 1: at the time. We would go to work at say
Speaker 1: four pm, and then we would get off anywhere between
Speaker 1: three and sometimes as late as even seven am. But
Speaker 1: on this particular night, my friend Edgar and I were
Speaker 1: walking through the desert walking back or we had secured
Speaker 1: for the evening, and we were walking back from our
Speaker 1: spaces on the flight line, and we were going back
Speaker 1: to where we were staying at the time in the
Speaker 1: quant nuts. We were walking through desert, and I've always
Speaker 1: looked at the skies. I've always even as a kid,
Speaker 1: I've always just looked at the skies and loved to
Speaker 1: look at stars and shooting stars. And now you know,
Speaker 1: satellites are even easier to see than they were when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. But you know, when you get
Speaker 1: out into these dark places like aircraft care flight decks
Speaker 1: at night or even at back Afghanistan or Kwait, you know,
Speaker 1: you get get out there where there's really low light
Speaker 1: pollution and you can just you can see satellite snaked
Speaker 1: eye just crisscrossing the sky. Sometimes I've always found that interesting.
Speaker 1: So my friend, my friend Edgar, and I were walking
Speaker 1: across the desert and we were watching for satellites, and
Speaker 1: I happened to look from what I recounted on maps,
Speaker 1: you know, to spent some time, but I looked to
Speaker 1: our left, and I could see what appeared to be
Speaker 1: stars being blacked out on the horizon, roughly on the
Speaker 1: horizon over I'm over. I don't want to I hesitate
Speaker 1: to call them mountains because they're probably not much taller
Speaker 1: than like say, fifteen hundred or two thousand feet. They're
Speaker 1: not very tall, but they're rocky hills. We would call
Speaker 1: mountains if we were to describe them. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: over these mountains and I see this area of stars
Speaker 1: that are just being blacked out, And I could tell
Speaker 1: that whatever it was was moving because the stars are
Speaker 1: reappearing behind it as it's progressed towards us. Seemingly, this
Speaker 1: thing got my buddy's attention, and we sat there and
Speaker 1: watched this thing come right towards We just stood there
Speaker 1: and we watched them. We're like, man, the things, they're
Speaker 1: right over us. And sure enough, this enormous it appeared
Speaker 1: to be a triangle. It came up as it came
Speaker 1: over it was a triangle. I mean we couldn't you
Speaker 1: couldn't tell from the distance, but as it came towards us,
Speaker 1: we were able to tell it was just a triangle shape.
Speaker 1: And it was very strange because it was so hard
Speaker 1: to see. It was dark, but it was a clear night.
Speaker 1: This thing was enormous and lumbering seemingly, so it came
Speaker 1: over as extremely low speed as what I would say,
Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been probably maybe moving one
Speaker 1: hundred better than one hundred miles an hour, maybe close
Speaker 1: close to two hundred miles an hour. Was just so
Speaker 1: large that when big things like that are moving in
Speaker 1: the sky. You've seen jumbo jets and such, they don't
Speaker 1: you know, when they're taken off, they're moving one hundred
Speaker 1: plus miles an hour, but they're lumbering. You know, they're
Speaker 1: big objects, and they're not they don't have the speed
Speaker 1: up yet. But anyway, so this thing's cruising over us,
Speaker 1: and as it cruises over us, there is absolutely no sound,
Speaker 1: and I think we were probably just standing there jaws dropped, like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this is unreal. Like there's no way
Speaker 1: to describe it other than that it was a large,
Speaker 1: dark triangle with a faint red glow in the very
Speaker 1: center of it that lit up the surface of this craft.
Speaker 1: And it was a it looked to be grayish or black,
Speaker 1: almost like we would paint stealth like the stealth technology
Speaker 1: you'd see on air on our airplanes. But this thing
Speaker 1: was no B two. This thing had a red light glowing.
Speaker 1: Now that you hear about TR three bees and such,
Speaker 1: the I think that's just a you know, it's something
Speaker 1: the public is labeled. There's nothing confirmed that there is
Speaker 1: a TR three B. But you see illustrations of these things,
Speaker 1: and they have a red light in the center, and
Speaker 1: they have white lights out at the tips. The all
Speaker 1: the all of these illustrations and then some of the
Speaker 1: photographs that people have snapped of these leeged t R
Speaker 1: three b's. I didn't see any white lights out on
Speaker 1: the tips. I didn't see any navigation lights. I didn't
Speaker 1: see any anti collision lights flashing lights. When planes operate
Speaker 1: in the US, they especially over friendly airspace, they're going
Speaker 1: to have anti collision lights on at a minimum. And
Speaker 1: this plane was coming from what I believe to be
Speaker 1: the north east and moving. It seemed like it was
Speaker 1: moving south and it would have been heading towards Mexico,
Speaker 1: you know, out of you know, from California, if it
Speaker 1: kept on the path. The as it went over, absolutely
Speaker 1: no sound, no rumble, no nothing. It was a quiet
Speaker 1: night there were no planes turning, there was no you know,
Speaker 1: all of the airfield was the airfield was closed, so
Speaker 1: all the lights were off. There was no light pollution,
Speaker 1: no no engine noise anywhere. And this thing went right
Speaker 1: over us. And I think we told our some friends
Speaker 1: about it, and they were just kind of like, they
Speaker 1: just kind of blew us off. They didn't. They were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys are crazy. You know, maybe even we probably
Speaker 1: even caught some hell over it, you know, calling us
Speaker 1: UFO nuts or something. But at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't even think I made that that
Speaker 1: big of a deal out of it, or tried to
Speaker 1: tell too many people about it, because you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I knew then that that there are craft and things
Speaker 1: that you know, our government operates and clandestinely that they're developing.
Speaker 1: I knew that, and it occurred to me that that
Speaker 1: could have been something like that. And even still I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not going to claim to know what it was.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to claim that it was a TR
Speaker 1: three B, but I can tell you that that was
Speaker 1: that kind of technology, whether it's alien or whether it's
Speaker 1: whether it's ours or whoever human made it, definitely was
Speaker 1: a technology that is not available to the US, or
Speaker 1: to say it is not available us as civilians to
Speaker 1: benefit from that kind of technology. There's no way that
Speaker 1: that kind of technology was acknowledged back then and definitely
Speaker 1: still not now. But seeing that and reading about it
Speaker 1: later because I started, you know, the TR three B
Speaker 1: started to pop up, and I thought back, and I
Speaker 1: contacted my friend, and my friend and I we still
Speaker 1: talk about it sometimes. In fact, we were just in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and we brought it up just briefly tod,
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of recount it a little bit.
Speaker 1: And it was I guess thirty years ago, nearly thirty
Speaker 1: years ago. And surely if that was technology like that might,
Speaker 1: at least in my theory, that technology would have been
Speaker 1: has been developed on since. So God only knows if
Speaker 1: that was US. Sky only knows what we have now.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of the other things we're seeing in the
Speaker 1: sky could be US. And I, you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: describe myself as a UFO NT, but I'm wildly fascinated
Speaker 1: by the subject UAPs and UFOs, So it is something
Speaker 1: that I do pay attention to. And I don't go
Speaker 1: out and hunt and post up outside and look and
Speaker 1: just look for these things. But I do watch the skies.
Speaker 1: And in another instance that I had in Afghanistan, my friend,
Speaker 1: my friend Wade and I we were walking out from
Speaker 1: our spaces and we were walking out to work on
Speaker 1: our airplanes, and we just so happened to look in
Speaker 1: the direction of the army airfield side where the helicopters
Speaker 1: are based out of. And you know that it was
Speaker 1: late and I don't think they were even flying or
Speaker 1: operating that I could tell. I didn't see any helicopters
Speaker 1: or here. We didn't, you know, there are none of
Speaker 1: our birds returning. We noticed two lights on again mountains,
Speaker 1: if you will, ridges, you know, these these hills that
Speaker 1: were probably low, you know, a couple thousand feet off
Speaker 1: the ground. But the at the top of these hills
Speaker 1: there was a valley in between two ridge lines, and
Speaker 1: on either ridgeline there were perched each each ridgeline had
Speaker 1: a white light perched on top of it, and there
Speaker 1: was nothing where these lights were. And to see two
Speaker 1: white lights in the sky like that that were seemingly
Speaker 1: almost like a like a car headlight. They were bright,
Speaker 1: it was bright, it was shining, it was broadcasting light.
Speaker 1: Each one was and they were approximately i'd say they
Speaker 1: were probably two hundred feet off the top, no more
Speaker 1: than two hundred feet off the top of each ridgeline, seemingly.
Speaker 1: And we watched them, My buddy and I stood there like,
Speaker 1: what is that? There's nothing there? You know, we were
Speaker 1: both kind of taken back by it, and we just
Speaker 1: sat there and watched it for a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then we went on about our business, and you know,
Speaker 1: we worked, worked around for a couple few hours and
Speaker 1: looked back over there and the lights are still sitting there.
Speaker 1: The lights were still just sitting there in the sky.
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything, you know, extraordinary. It didn't you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't flash or you know, put on a light show.
Speaker 1: It didn't move fast. But they were just stationary and
Speaker 1: they weren't supposed to be there, and just so happened.
Speaker 1: When we walked around did our thing, you know, we're
Speaker 1: working throughout the night. And then it occurred to me
Speaker 1: to look back in that direction again to see if
Speaker 1: they were still there. And as I did, the ridge
Speaker 1: line on the left the light had disappeared, it was gone.
Speaker 1: But the ridge line on the right, there was a light.
Speaker 1: There was one of it. I assumed it was the
Speaker 1: same light. It had moved seemingly five six miles down
Speaker 1: the ridge line. It was pretty far, almost out of view,
Speaker 1: but it had moved down the ridge line and was
Speaker 1: still stationary in the sky seemingly, but just had moved positions.
Speaker 1: You know. I look for things like that, and I
Speaker 1: wish more people did, because I think they would take
Speaker 1: some of the stigma off of it. If more people
Speaker 1: talked about things they'd see in the sky, I think
Speaker 1: it would invoke a lot of conversation and eventually maybe
Speaker 1: we could somewhere and figure figure out what some of
Speaker 1: this stuff is. That's that's one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: like to I like to talk about it. The third
Speaker 1: incident that I would like to share was probably the
Speaker 1: most to me. That triangle at the time was wildly
Speaker 1: fascinating and I'll never forget it memorable. But this thing
Speaker 1: that I saw, and it was in November. It was
Speaker 1: November twenty ninth of last year. I And the reason
Speaker 1: I know that is because after I saw this, I
Speaker 1: immediately sat down and drew it out on my phone.
Speaker 1: I just drew it out, you know, very simple, very
Speaker 1: simple drawing, and I even shaded it in the colors
Speaker 1: that you would see through night vision goggles. But I
Speaker 1: was able to see on this object definition and I
Speaker 1: drew the definition and I've sent I've sent you the
Speaker 1: quick picture, you know, the quick little drawing that i've
Speaker 1: that I've put together. I sent that to you. But
Speaker 1: the way that that came about, I was in my
Speaker 1: backyard and I have relatively low light pollution in the backyard,
Speaker 1: and I like to sit out there with a telescope
Speaker 1: or or just sit out and watch, you know, watch
Speaker 1: stars at night and listen to music, sit with friends
Speaker 1: and talk. We can see you can see satellites relatively easy.
Speaker 1: I had a set of night vision goggles and I
Speaker 1: was searching for satellites and just watching the skies, not
Speaker 1: looking for UFOs, because again that's not something I do,
Speaker 1: or I wouldn't even sit out here and do it now.
Speaker 1: It's it doesn't call me like that. But I was
Speaker 1: watching watch for satellites and I looked happened to look
Speaker 1: in in a northeasterly direction, and I picked up something
Speaker 1: again moving across the horizon, moving across the sky, and
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't blacking out stars, per say, but
Speaker 1: because I could see an object through my MVGS. But
Speaker 1: what set me back was there was no lights on it.
Speaker 1: And anyone that's been around military aircraft or just aircraft
Speaker 1: in general know that they're going to have anti collision
Speaker 1: lights on in the sky. They're going to have they're
Speaker 1: going to have some kind of position lights on. They're
Speaker 1: going to have a red and a green or even
Speaker 1: a white light glowing at some point on the aircraft,
Speaker 1: you know, to just as a safety. Right. So what
Speaker 1: I saw through the MVGS as it got closer was
Speaker 1: if you could imagine a dog bone or a dumbbell,
Speaker 1: just shaped object, but instead of squared off, rounded, kind
Speaker 1: of rounded front and back with a with the connecting
Speaker 1: connecting mass in the center of it. And then it
Speaker 1: had two circular you know, front and back. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call them the cells, but it just it looked the
Speaker 1: way I drew it out, it it almost looked like
Speaker 1: a hoverboard or something. Just it had edges to it.
Speaker 1: It had a circular inside of each on the front
Speaker 1: and the back of it. It had it was circular,
Speaker 1: but it had circles inside that, or at least the
Speaker 1: design I could see. It's very tough to get any
Speaker 1: kind of depth perception out of night vision goggles, as
Speaker 1: you may know. But as this thing came over, I
Speaker 1: got my friend who was standing there next to me,
Speaker 1: and I tried to get her to see it through
Speaker 1: the mvgs, but she couldn't acquire it. So I just
Speaker 1: I got am back from her and I was able
Speaker 1: to watch it go right over the house. But when
Speaker 1: I try to explain to her what I was seeing,
Speaker 1: I mean, I at first I thought, is this a
Speaker 1: satellite or something? But you can't see definition on satellites.
Speaker 1: You can catch a glow off of satellite, their sun's
Speaker 1: reflection office satellites, you know, you can see that's the
Speaker 1: light you're seeing, you know, when you look in the sky,
Speaker 1: and that shows up really well. With MVG's you can
Speaker 1: see satellites really really high up in an altitude compared
Speaker 1: to and stuff you can't see naked eye. You can
Speaker 1: see with night vision goggles or any kind of you know,
Speaker 1: night vision device. You can see satellites moving that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to see naked eye. This thing, you
Speaker 1: couldn't have seen this naked eye. It was relatively clear
Speaker 1: night and it was high enough an altitude that you
Speaker 1: couldn't see it naked eye. You might catch stars being
Speaker 1: blocked out, but you wouldn't have been able to see
Speaker 1: any kind of definition on it. As it went over
Speaker 1: my house seemingly you know. Again, I don't I hesitate
Speaker 1: to throw a number out there on altitude, but I
Speaker 1: want to say that it just it seemed pretty high up,
Speaker 1: like into the thousands of feet, seemingly large, but large,
Speaker 1: you know, large enough for me to see a definition.
Speaker 1: And once again, absolutely no sound whatsoever, no glow of
Speaker 1: lights from a cockpit, absolutely no light emitted, which you know,
Speaker 1: blew me away. I was extremely excited about seeing that.
Speaker 1: Immediately sat down and drew it out. And then as
Speaker 1: after I drew it out, I started the searching on
Speaker 1: the internet, and I found where people had seen a
Speaker 1: similar a similar UFO I say, UFO similar object that
Speaker 1: it was twenty thirteen and nineteen seventy eight. That where
Speaker 1: I think I read read that people had seen it,
Speaker 1: and I'd love to talk to some more people and
Speaker 1: see if they could remember texture. Remember not texture, that's
Speaker 1: not the right description there. If somebody could see the
Speaker 1: definition of it, I'd like to see what I'd like
Speaker 1: to know what they saw because if we're seeing the
Speaker 1: same thing, then you know, if from from nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 1: that's not there's no in my opinion, that's not like
Speaker 1: our technology. That's just my opinion. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that could be our Potentially, I don't think that could
Speaker 1: be our technology, but who knows, it could be an
Speaker 1: advancement of even what I saw in the desert if
Speaker 1: that was ours. But it just sucks that, you know
Speaker 1: that technology is advancing, but we're still driving around and
Speaker 1: cars burning gas and you know, oil and rebber tires
Speaker 1: kind of thing. That's just but that's a subject for
Speaker 1: another day, discussion for another day, another time. That is
Speaker 1: that's pretty much my extent, the extent of my experience
Speaker 1: with things that I've seen in the sky that I
Speaker 1: couldn't describe, but I do like talking about them. I'd
Speaker 1: be like bringing it out to friends and see if
Speaker 1: they've they've seen anything. Some people just laugh and uh,
Speaker 1: other people are just completely disinterested. It's wild to me
Speaker 1: that the stigma and the and the and the lack
Speaker 1: of interest and care that people have because these things
Speaker 1: could potentially be from from outside our outside of our
Speaker 1: you know, outside of our socialsm outside of our planet.
Speaker 1: You know, they could be off world. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit over It can be overwhelming if you think too
Speaker 1: much about it, you know, But I uh, I find
Speaker 1: I'm at least fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by it.
Speaker 1: So I like to watch the you know, the UFO
Speaker 1: shows or the you know. I like to get on
Speaker 1: YouTube and watch trying to think of the gentleman's name
Speaker 1: I have a I have a picture of course, I
Speaker 1: follow your podcast. You had Gary Boorhees on there, and
Speaker 1: I sure liked hearing him talk. I liked hearing his
Speaker 1: uh his account of the tic tac on the on
Speaker 1: the Knimics encounters. That is an outstanding uh an outstanding production.
Speaker 1: I think that they did very well with that. I'm
Speaker 1: usually really picky when they do re enactments, and even
Speaker 1: just the radio traffic, the way they were talking to
Speaker 1: the pilots and back and forth the air traffic controllers,
Speaker 1: it was it was really well put together. They weren't
Speaker 1: exaggerating or embellishing anything, and it was just a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, like, hey, and they don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Nobody's trying to say that it's UFOs or it's aliens.
Speaker 1: And I mean because nobody really can't nobody can say
Speaker 1: at this point, but I would like to. I think
Speaker 1: I'd love to sit down and talk to those guys.
Speaker 1: That would be fascinating talking to Gary and those guys,
Speaker 1: some of those guys that I've seen in the Nimics
Speaker 1: Encounters podcasts that I like to watch. Ross Coltheart. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard of him, Yeah, sure have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's got some fascinating, fascinating interviews. He's an
Speaker 1: investigative journalist. It's really really doing good work. Like you,
Speaker 1: I think, I think this podcast is awesome work. It's
Speaker 1: it gets people talking, and I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be a good resource for people when they're doing research
Speaker 1: and when they're trying to piece together and make sense
Speaker 1: of some of.
Speaker 2: This wonderful stuff. Now we know the military, when we
Speaker 2: hear about certain tech which is coming out or come out,
Speaker 2: usually it's already been operational for twenty thirty years beforehand.
Speaker 2: Of course, an example would be the the SR seven
Speaker 2: to one blackbird, so that've been around for many years.
Speaker 2: When you hear about these objects being seen, there's always
Speaker 2: that possibility that it can be military hardware here.
Speaker 1: I believe. So I believe that there is a chance. Now.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I will say that kind of
Speaker 1: takes away from that. I was watching that Ross Coltheart
Speaker 1: channel on YouTube. I think it's Channel seven News. He's
Speaker 1: out of Australia. I believe he interviews some really smart people,
Speaker 1: some professors, some scientists that are really they're accredited, and
Speaker 1: they're coming in and they're not they're not like nuts,
Speaker 1: and they don't have wild hair, and they're not trying
Speaker 1: to make they're not trying to romanticize this and make
Speaker 1: it scary. They're just factually saying like, hey, look it
Speaker 1: could be us. But because of the required energy that
Speaker 1: it would take to make something like one of those
Speaker 1: the tic TACs, if you were to expend that kind
Speaker 1: of energy, you know, to go from fifty feet to
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty eight thousand feet or even fourteen
Speaker 1: fourteen miles into outer space to be able to do
Speaker 1: that in under three seconds or under zero point seventy
Speaker 1: five seconds, to go from fifty feet to twenty eight
Speaker 1: thousand feet, the amount of energy needed to create that
Speaker 1: kind of momentum. They put it in. They related it
Speaker 1: in terms of I think it was something like I've
Speaker 1: heard one person say that you would have to harness
Speaker 1: the power of the sun to be able to fly
Speaker 1: like that, or you would have to be able to
Speaker 1: you it's basically all of the power on the Earth
Speaker 1: being generated at one time to be able to make
Speaker 1: a movement like that. That's huge power demand. It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to wrap my head around that that we
Speaker 1: have that technology as humans, because there's not even an
Speaker 1: inkling of that in our society. You know, there's no
Speaker 1: you know, we're still burning fossil fuels, splitting atoms and stuff. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I just don't understand how that, you know, how
Speaker 1: our government or even you know, China or Russia, whoever
Speaker 1: could have that, because that's world dominating technology. It absolutely is.
Speaker 1: We've had similar we've had technology. I'd love to talk
Speaker 1: to those guys I had. I had a question about.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen the limits encounters. They illustrate one
Speaker 1: tic TAC like one they had visual contact with one
Speaker 1: tic TAC, but they had radar returns, radar contact returns
Speaker 1: of multiple aircraft, but that I recall anybody ever put
Speaker 1: eyes on one, and even in the go Fast video
Speaker 1: they talk about some ASA and I don't forget I
Speaker 1: forget exactly what that might be, but I'm sure that
Speaker 1: has something to do with radar. But the returns that
Speaker 1: they had, they said, oh, there's a whole fleet of them.
Speaker 1: So I don't remember anybody ever seeing visually with their
Speaker 1: eyeballs and confirming that they saw fleet. So that's that's
Speaker 1: projection technology, and that has existed, that's existed for a
Speaker 1: long time. To be able to do that, to be
Speaker 1: able to project and say and make an enemy think
Speaker 1: that there's more than one out there, that's that's existed
Speaker 1: for a long time. That's nothing out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: But as far as the technology that could make those
Speaker 1: craft do that, I mean the t R three b's
Speaker 1: those are alleged to be able to you know, they're
Speaker 1: supposed anti gravity. And this thing that I heard, this
Speaker 1: wasn't a B two B two's roar. When they come
Speaker 1: overhead they're loud. I mean, I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: been around B twos, but when they move they're loud.
Speaker 1: You know, they especially close to the ground, you're going
Speaker 1: to hear them. That's just hard for me to wrap
Speaker 1: my head around that we would have that kind of technology.
Speaker 1: That's why I you know, I was when I first
Speaker 1: started watching that, I was thinking, that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just unacknowledged, you know, experimental if you will,
Speaker 1: but secret stuff that basically ensures our freedom and liberties,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't necessarily a problem
Speaker 1: with our government doing that. But to the tune of
Speaker 1: the you know, the millions of dollars like or billions
Speaker 1: of dollars that Ross cool Heart brings up in these
Speaker 1: in these uh in these interviews and these videos and
Speaker 1: and uh things he talks about. It's it's actually scary
Speaker 1: because that's where you know, we're like you, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you pay taxes, we pay tax over here in that
Speaker 1: that those tax dollars are are going towards that. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of problems in this in our
Speaker 1: country and around the world. You know that we could
Speaker 1: probably solve with some of the technology, maybe not all
Speaker 1: of it. I've heard it related that that technology can't
Speaker 1: get out because if it does, then everyone has a
Speaker 1: bomb because of the power generation potential with anti gravity stuff.
Speaker 2: Find it fascinating, certainly, it can be dangerous. Billions of
Speaker 2: tax dollars is obviously going into this, But what's the
Speaker 2: use of as you know, there's not going to be
Speaker 2: nothing to protect well, you know, the countries are all
Speaker 2: falling apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do want to say that I'm by
Speaker 1: no means an you know, I'm I'm a patriot, you know,
Speaker 1: I serve my country and I and I do love
Speaker 1: this country, and I've you know, I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: mess with politics.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe politics, but I do, I do love
Speaker 1: this country and I and I find it see acouraging.
Speaker 1: If that's our stuff, If that is our stuff, and
Speaker 1: it's secret, and as long as it's not being used
Speaker 1: for nefarious purposes, you know which it more than likely is.
Speaker 1: If it is, if it's anybody's, if it's humans, it's
Speaker 1: it can be used and probably is being used for
Speaker 1: nefarious purposes.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it is. But if it does keep the
Speaker 2: country safe and it gets off a country's send this
Speaker 2: time down.
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Speaker 2: These dumbbell shaped UFOs and I had a guest on
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago by his sight in he
Speaker 2: was episode seventy nine from twenty thirteen. Relatively recently another
Speaker 2: report came out and it was he was a Pentagon contractor.
Speaker 2: This is up in Canada. Also twenty thirteen he had
Speaker 2: a siting on a logging road and both of these
Speaker 2: accounts were about one month apart, where one was in
Speaker 2: Canada and then one was in Washington State and then
Speaker 2: there was another site in back in the late seventies.
Speaker 2: So these dumbbell, barbell, dog bone shaped objects are definitely
Speaker 2: being seen and when it comes to design of it,
Speaker 2: but very unusual. They don't look like something which could
Speaker 2: very easily move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or stay in the air. I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like it just should stay in the air. You'd
Speaker 1: have you know, even if you look at drones, drones
Speaker 1: typically you know, the they'll have four rotors typically on
Speaker 1: a drone maybe I mean maybe even three some of them,
Speaker 1: depending on the type of drone. But I've just never
Speaker 1: seen a drone that basically was in the shape of
Speaker 1: a barbell. And even if the propulsion system was in
Speaker 1: the front and back, I mean, it's it's wildly unstable.
Speaker 1: But this thing as it went over, you know, it
Speaker 1: just it just cruised over. It was just like it was,
Speaker 1: I mean, like it was floating. It was just but
Speaker 1: it was in a straight line. And then as it
Speaker 1: got a good distance away it it turned slightly. It rotated.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was still flying along in the same direction,
Speaker 1: but it spun. I guess on its axis, if you will,
Speaker 1: it turned maybe sideways camera if it turned clockwise or counterclockwise.
Speaker 1: Seemingly in my minds, I remember it turning clockwise, almost
Speaker 1: like it'd be looking back at me. And then you know,
Speaker 1: if you will, it was as it was going over,
Speaker 1: but it was pretty high up there, I know, I
Speaker 1: know that it could not have been a drone. Even drones.
Speaker 1: You can't see definition on a drone, you know, especially
Speaker 1: a commercial, and you're not gonna be able to see
Speaker 1: the definition of them. So I think it's cool that
Speaker 1: people see them. And like you said, the technology, I mean,
Speaker 1: the technology in those things, if it's human, it's not advancing.
Speaker 1: But if it's not human, it really doesn't need to advance,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, why would it need to
Speaker 1: advance if it's if it's doing what if if they
Speaker 1: if it's doing what it's designed to do, and it
Speaker 1: only needs you know, it only needs to fool us
Speaker 1: when it comes to being you know, visible at times
Speaker 1: or invisible. And I can tell you that that thing
Speaker 1: was intended not to be, not to be. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the gentleman that you interviewed could describe lights
Speaker 1: on the craft, if he said there was any lights
Speaker 1: coming from it. But I'm telling you now, if you
Speaker 1: if you were in a car and you you turn
Speaker 1: on a map light and a car and you're blocks
Speaker 1: away from me, it's going to light that entire car up,
Speaker 1: so I can see, you know. I've used night vision
Speaker 1: for years around airplanes and when there's any kind of
Speaker 1: illumination in a cockpit, even at the planes in the
Speaker 1: air I can see the illumination in the cockpit, you
Speaker 1: can see any little glowing light whatsoever with mvgs from
Speaker 1: an aircraft, and there was absolutely no light from this thing,
Speaker 1: which blew my mind because even on that triangle that
Speaker 1: I saw in the desert when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you knowect I was nineteen, there was a light on that.
Speaker 1: There was you could see the surface illuminated by a
Speaker 1: faint red glow in the center and the very center
Speaker 1: of this thing, which again, as far as I know,
Speaker 1: that is not a signature light on a B two,
Speaker 1: And that's the only comparable triangle object of large size.
Speaker 1: It's in toy but experimental maybe sure. And then maybe
Speaker 1: this dog bone thing is human and experimental, but I
Speaker 1: lean towards not. Man. I don't think that that was.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that I've seen in my life
Speaker 1: because those lights that I saw in Afghanistan, I can't
Speaker 1: say for sure that that was an you know that
Speaker 1: that was that wasn't something humans were doing. I can't
Speaker 1: say that it was an experimental in human aircraft. It
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't a helicopter or any kind of aircraft that
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with. And I've been around drones and of
Speaker 1: all types, you know, in different areas in different places.
Speaker 1: I've been around, you know, the reapers and and the
Speaker 1: UH and the big drones in Afghanistan that you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't predator predator aircraft. I don't see that
Speaker 1: thing being a drone. This thing that dog bones, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe a drone, but what is propelling that thing? You know,
Speaker 1: if I just it's so fascinating to me. I'd love
Speaker 1: to know. And I would really like people to pay
Speaker 1: more attention to their surroundings. And I wish people would
Speaker 1: just watch the skies more. But everybody's so seemingly so busy.
Speaker 1: I mean, who takes the time to just go out
Speaker 1: in their backyard and just watch the skies?
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely keep watching the skies because you really
Speaker 2: don't know what's going overhead most of.
Speaker 1: The time, any kind of light pollution. You know, the
Speaker 1: best places, like I mentioned the aircraft carriers, and I
Speaker 1: used to love to just sit out set out at
Speaker 1: night when they're what we had didn't have much to do,
Speaker 1: if we if we were done with our work, I
Speaker 1: could sit there and lean against the aircraft fuel tank
Speaker 1: and watch the skies and and and just listen to
Speaker 1: the ocean, and you you have incredible views at sea
Speaker 1: of the stars. You have incredible and if you go
Speaker 1: to you know these deserts in Iraq, in Afghanistan where
Speaker 1: there's no cities and no light pollution, and there's many
Speaker 1: places in the US too where you can go up
Speaker 1: into the mountains. I was in Alabama and my friends
Speaker 1: and I we saw starlink go over when they're when
Speaker 1: they're linked up and before they deploy, I think when
Speaker 1: they first put them into orbit. They're linked up at
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time and then they distribute
Speaker 1: them as they need. That was barely visible, but we did,
Speaker 1: we were able to see it, knew and immediately what
Speaker 1: it was. It didn't you know, I've seen things like that.
Speaker 1: I've seen starlink in the sky and it's brilliant. You know,
Speaker 1: it looks like a sparkler in the sky when it's
Speaker 1: when it's really close and you get a good view
Speaker 1: of it. And that's not that's not a mystery to me.
Speaker 1: You know, things things that you can see easily, Things
Speaker 1: that you can see easily like lights and stuff like
Speaker 1: that usually aren't much. They usually don't seem to be
Speaker 1: too much. Maybe a glowing light. You see a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff where people show you bright flashing lights and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've just I've personally never seen anything
Speaker 1: like that that I didn't that it wasn't an airplane,
Speaker 1: that I didn't know what it was. You know, no
Speaker 1: matter what it is, if it's aliens or if it's
Speaker 1: clandestine aircraft, they they're not intended to be seen. So
Speaker 1: you're not going to catch them unless you just so
Speaker 1: happen to catch them in a vulnerable time and when
Speaker 1: they don't expect to be caught. But I'd love to
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have gotten that on film
Speaker 1: because if I could show you this, if I could
Speaker 1: could have showed you that video what I saw with
Speaker 1: my eye, if I could have shown you, I think
Speaker 1: that anybody would have it would blow them away, Like
Speaker 1: that's you can't explain away what that was. There's no
Speaker 1: way you could explain away what that was without saying, hey,
Speaker 1: that's just a UAP. It's an actual UFO or UAP.
Speaker 2: You know, I do believe when the twenty thirteen the
Speaker 2: siting happened up in Canada. I think the contractor attempted
Speaker 2: to record the object, but I think he was only
Speaker 2: left with white noise and interference on the video.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: So whatever this was, it was flying overhead was effecting
Speaker 2: the video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it seems wild for me to wrap my
Speaker 1: head around it. But you know about the thing in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas maybe a year ago where a family claimed
Speaker 1: that something landed in their backyard and there were creatures
Speaker 1: walking around in their backyard, tall creatures, and the videos
Speaker 1: blurred out, and they tried to film it and they
Speaker 1: couldn't get couldn't get it on video, and they were disturbed.
Speaker 1: These people were scared, and the cops showed up and
Speaker 1: they believed them. And I think that even the cops,
Speaker 1: you know, they on their body cams, was blurred to
Speaker 1: that effect. I didn't pay a whole bunch of attention
Speaker 1: to it because you know, it's nick that's just so
Speaker 1: hard for me to filter through. Man, it's the supernatural stuff.
Speaker 1: I've seen some wild things. I've seen some I might
Speaker 1: have seen a skun cape when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I could tell you about that if
Speaker 1: you'd like to hear about it. But that's unrelated to you.
Speaker 1: He's in UFOs Man and I don't want to sound
Speaker 1: like a nut.
Speaker 2: It's all welcome on the show.
Speaker 1: Kevin can run it down for you if you want
Speaker 1: to hear about it.
Speaker 2: We love to hear about the Skun Cape.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, the Skun Cape, which is many people
Speaker 1: know it's just a stinky bigfoot. I guess I was
Speaker 1: maybe fourteen fourteen fifteen at the oldest, and we had
Speaker 1: a patch of wood, just sex and of woods. When
Speaker 1: I lived down down in South Florida, we had a
Speaker 1: section of woods. It was probably a few hundred acres
Speaker 1: between wooded areas, separated by a road. I left my
Speaker 1: friend's house and I was taking a shortcut through the woods.
Speaker 1: I don't exactly remember where I was going, but I
Speaker 1: was walking through a path that we traveled frequently. And
Speaker 1: I might have had a skateboard in my hand or
Speaker 1: I don't think. I didn't have a bike with me
Speaker 1: at the time, but I was walking on the path
Speaker 1: just behind my friend's house. You know, it's pine scrub forest,
Speaker 1: you know, scrub pine forest. You know, palmetto palmetto bushes.
Speaker 1: You see so much you could you could just look
Speaker 1: up a picture of a Florida forest, and this is
Speaker 1: what it looks like. You know, as I'm walking on
Speaker 1: this path, I hear palm fronds rustling to my right,
Speaker 1: and so I just I look. And as I look
Speaker 1: to my right, I'm immediately I immediately see what is
Speaker 1: making this noise, and about I would say, ten feet
Speaker 1: away from me, I looked dead in the eyes of
Speaker 1: a what I called at the time. I called it
Speaker 1: a monkey man. I didn't correlate that was bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: didn't call it a skuncape. I froze and I tried
Speaker 1: to yell, and I couldn't get anything out. But by
Speaker 1: the time I was finally able to get my wits
Speaker 1: about me, I ran back to the front, or ran
Speaker 1: back from from the back of my friend's house out
Speaker 1: to the front, and I grabbed my friends that were
Speaker 1: out front, and I told them. I was like, there's yelling,
Speaker 1: probably you know, just adrenaline rush. I was scared at
Speaker 1: the same time, too, so I was telling them there's
Speaker 1: a monkey man back here. You guys got to get
Speaker 1: back here and see this. So of course they all
Speaker 1: came running. We went running back to the clearing where
Speaker 1: this thing was in the bushes and there was nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, there wasn't you know, we weren't looking for
Speaker 1: big foot footprints or anything, but you know, pine needles
Speaker 1: all over the ground anyways, But we didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't smell anything. We just you know,
Speaker 1: it was gone. But I absolutely know it was there.
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to know that. I mean, it could
Speaker 1: have been a big foot, sure, but you know, you
Speaker 1: hear people talking about cryptids and things being able to
Speaker 1: move potentially from dimensions and whatnot. I don't know about
Speaker 1: any of that stuff, man, I just hear about it.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that really got me about and
Speaker 1: it might you know, when you when you hear this,
Speaker 1: it might kind of they might kind of bring it home.
Speaker 1: My family and I were sitting around talking to the
Speaker 1: family gathering a few years ago, and I was telling
Speaker 1: that story that I saw what was could what you
Speaker 1: could attribute at bigfoot or a skunk cape and the
Speaker 1: bushes behind behind my friend's house in South Florida, and
Speaker 1: my brother's turns white as a ghost, you know, his
Speaker 1: jaws like dropping. He looks at me and he says,
Speaker 1: I seen the same thing. Man. So my younger brother,
Speaker 1: who seven years younger than I. He is playing with
Speaker 1: his friends and they were probably, you know, up to
Speaker 1: no goods, some mischief kids were doing. And they went
Speaker 1: to run back into the woods, away from way from
Speaker 1: the road where they were at, and they were running away,
Speaker 1: and my brother and running this in the same kind
Speaker 1: of pomp, you know, in the same kind of force,
Speaker 1: but just maybe maybe a half mile away from where
Speaker 1: I originally saw what I saw when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: So my brother's running and turns around to yell at
Speaker 1: his friends like hurry up. As he turned around to
Speaker 1: running the path of his travel again to face the
Speaker 1: path of his travels, he's running, he locks eyes with
Speaker 1: this bigfoot or a monkey man that walks right in
Speaker 1: front of him, across the path in front of him,
Speaker 1: and he slid to the ground and got up, and
Speaker 1: he was petrified, you know, and goes running back to
Speaker 1: his buddies and tell him what he saw. But he
Speaker 1: also saw a monkey man, probably probably six or seven
Speaker 1: years after I, well, maybe not that long. He could
Speaker 1: have been anywhere between five and seven years after I
Speaker 1: saw what I saw in the woods, So who knows
Speaker 1: what it was, But I didn't cook it up. I
Speaker 1: couldn't have cooked that up in my head. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been a you know, I wouldn't have been that
Speaker 1: scared of just some bushes. I would have you know,
Speaker 1: figured it out. But I heard I think what the
Speaker 1: rustling and the bushes is what is what startled me
Speaker 1: because that just you know, you don't just hear rustling
Speaker 1: and bushes, and then when you turn to look at something,
Speaker 1: there's ten feet away, there's a there's a from chest up,
Speaker 1: there's a monkey man. You don't you don't expect that,
Speaker 1: and it definitely scared As a kid, it scared the
Speaker 1: hell out of me. I think now I might I'd
Speaker 1: probably be pretty startled by it, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I would freeze like I did. I might be a
Speaker 1: little bit more curious as to what it is, but
Speaker 1: at the same time cautious because you know, you don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, there's I'm in the woods all the time,
Speaker 1: and there are things that can reach out and touch
Speaker 1: in the woods, bite you in the woods. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't like, I don't think I would be scared of
Speaker 1: something like that. If I saw it now, I'd probably
Speaker 1: be more curious.
Speaker 2: So you saw this and your brother also had a
Speaker 2: sight in it of this skunk cape. Was this at
Speaker 2: the same family property, Well.
Speaker 1: It wasn't family property. It was just it was neighborhood woods.
Speaker 1: I mean we lived in a you know, it was
Speaker 1: a it was an area that it's probably been I'm
Speaker 1: almost positive that it's all been bulldozed and developed now.
Speaker 1: It was just undeveloped Florida land where we're at. It was,
Speaker 1: it was in. It was probably old. It's just old
Speaker 1: forced I mean that's that's effectively what it was. But
Speaker 1: it was privately owned land. We just roamed it as kids.
Speaker 1: You know, there were you know, we rode dirt bikes
Speaker 1: back there, and we built forts in the woods. So
Speaker 1: I was in the woods all the time. I mean
Speaker 1: all the time. I spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: the woods as a kid, just playing paintball, I mean,
Speaker 1: roam in the woods, mischief stuff. But you know, it
Speaker 1: was just it's the kind of thing where if where
Speaker 1: if it was somebody scaring kids in a suit, or
Speaker 1: if it was something that was seen all the time,
Speaker 1: it would have made the news. You think an adult
Speaker 1: would have seen it and made a bigger deal out
Speaker 1: of it than a couple of kids. You know, because kids.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna believe kids. I thought. I went home and
Speaker 1: told my mom, and my mom was just like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: who cares. I got bigger things to worry about, you know,
Speaker 1: just raising kids. But she didn't seem to have any
Speaker 1: kind of any kind of interest. Nobody had any kind
Speaker 1: of interest. You know. It's kind of like now, when
Speaker 1: you talk about seeing things in the sky that you
Speaker 1: can't explain, you know, most people just blow it off
Speaker 1: unless they've had similar experiences, and then they sometimes will
Speaker 1: share with what they've seen. But you know, even sometimes
Speaker 1: people telling me some of their stories, I can kind
Speaker 1: of you know, just from their story, I can tell
Speaker 1: that it might have been an aircraft. There's a good
Speaker 1: chance that it was an aircraft the way it performed.
Speaker 1: And the sound that the thing that gets me is
Speaker 1: is no sound coming off of off of off of
Speaker 1: off of objects that I see in the sky. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the thing that gets me is the no sound.
Speaker 1: The lights. Sure, lights are no lights, that could be anything.
Speaker 1: But when when something doesn't produce a sound, that's alien
Speaker 1: to what we know as far as propulsion of any kind,
Speaker 1: Because even stealth planes, even stealth fighters roar when they
Speaker 1: come over, you know, and when they're after burners are on,
Speaker 1: they roar, you know. And they're they're jet engines, their
Speaker 1: turbine engines. They're they're going to make some noise. So
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that really fascinates me is the
Speaker 1: is the propulsion side of it that there's no sound
Speaker 1: and no light emitted from or smoke emitted. You know
Speaker 1: that that thing that came over my friend and I
Speaker 1: the as are we should have our eyeball should have
Speaker 1: been shaken with the frequencies coming off those engines. You know,
Speaker 1: that's how close it was to us if if it
Speaker 1: had an engines. Sorry to circle back to the to
Speaker 1: the UAP thing again, I kind of went back from cryptids.
Speaker 1: If you will to that.
Speaker 2: That's no problem. What I'll do is I'll make Kevin's
Speaker 2: images that he sent into us on the podcast website,
Speaker 2: so you can go checking out and any listeners out
Speaker 2: there which you've had similar sightings and very possibly you know,
Speaker 2: you might have more detail to add. Please email in
Speaker 2: Kevin the image that you've sent in of the.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked about that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, is of the bar bell you've got the
Speaker 2: connecting mass. Now, the two circles on either end, were
Speaker 2: they from what you could see from your advantage point,
Speaker 2: was it flat? Were they rounded like balls on the end?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, it is when you witness something, you
Speaker 1: see something in the sky. The important thing to me
Speaker 1: was to get inside and sit down and draw it
Speaker 1: right away. So I think that I drew it with
Speaker 1: the best picture that I had right in my memory
Speaker 1: that was it was fresh. But you know, when I
Speaker 1: think about it now, I'm I'm picturing angled lines on it,
Speaker 1: like angled angled front. But I do remember that it
Speaker 1: was round. It was circular on the front and the back,
Speaker 1: and it seemingly they were the same diameter circular area.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, inside of that circular area that
Speaker 1: I could see, I could see another distinct circular line.
Speaker 1: That's what that's the definition that I'm talking about. And
Speaker 1: on that that center connecting piece, I could see that
Speaker 1: there were definitions that were there were lines in that
Speaker 1: like it wasn't just a flat dogwell and flying to
Speaker 1: the sky and no angles and lines to it. This thing.
Speaker 1: It was strange because I could see that it had
Speaker 1: texture and that it was a physical craft or a
Speaker 1: physical object. But I couldn't. I couldn't see light reflecting
Speaker 1: off of it. I couldn't see shine because you know
Speaker 1: a lot of airplanes have shiny surfaces. There was no
Speaker 1: ground light reflecting off this thing. It is. It was
Speaker 1: the single strangest thing that I've ever seen in the
Speaker 1: sky ever. I've never seen anything like that in my life.
Speaker 1: Out of all the things that I've ever witnessed in
Speaker 1: my life, that was the strangest, definitely. I mean, even
Speaker 1: to me, stranger than the monkey man or the you know,
Speaker 1: the triangle that I saw in the desert. That was
Speaker 1: that really made me fascinated and caused me to sit
Speaker 1: down and start researching and reading some of the stuff
Speaker 1: I do. Have you ever have you ever gotten changing
Speaker 1: subjects again on you? Have you ever read or have
Speaker 1: you listened to any of Eric von Dannik and stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, I've listened to a few of them,
Speaker 1: and he brings up some really good points in some
Speaker 1: of the stuff. Find the history that he talks about,
Speaker 1: the different locations around the planet with different monoliths and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I find that fascinating. That's stuff I really find fascinating.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to these crafts, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't have anybody that's an expert. You don't have anybody
Speaker 1: that can say definitively yes, it is government, or hey,
Speaker 1: you don't you know, no concern, it's aliens, but they're benevolent.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't You don't hear that, And there's
Speaker 1: nobody that can say that. There's nobody that can. That's
Speaker 1: a little disharning. But did I answer your question about
Speaker 1: the about the texture or the shape of the craft
Speaker 1: you did?
Speaker 2: And of course if there's any information that if you
Speaker 2: put pen to paper again and there's any details or
Speaker 2: anything that you know you want, feel free, we can
Speaker 2: add that to the website. I think the interesting thing is,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just very easy people to shrug their
Speaker 2: shoulders and just say, oh, it's militure tech, it's tr
Speaker 2: freeb it's something which is we hear quite a lot.
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing would be that if we do
Speaker 2: have this tech, which is possibly decades maybe one hundred
Speaker 2: years in advance of what we've got presently, is it
Speaker 2: possible that they did acquire this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like reversed engineered, or if it's just basically off
Speaker 1: of Tesla's some of Tesla's theories. Yeah, it would be
Speaker 1: I would love to know them. But you know, that's
Speaker 1: the and I've said that, like, hey, man, we should
Speaker 1: have this technology. But you know one of the professors
Speaker 1: that was talking about it the other day that was
Speaker 1: talking to one of the guys on one of the
Speaker 1: YouTube channels I was paying attention to, it could be
Speaker 1: a bomb. Like if if somebody can make that kind
Speaker 1: of energy, then everybody has bombs. And you can't have
Speaker 1: that kind of technology in the hands of people that
Speaker 1: that don't value life and you know, basically terrorists. You
Speaker 1: can't have terrorists with that kind of equipment or even
Speaker 1: a office rocker dictator. You know, you can't have they
Speaker 1: can't have that technology. They can't have access to it.
Speaker 1: And if if it makes if they introduce any of it,
Speaker 1: you know, and say hey, look, you know we have
Speaker 1: these and this is what we're doing with them, it
Speaker 1: makes us vulnerable. And I get it. That's the that's
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, that's that's the reason we may
Speaker 1: never know this stuff in our lifetimes. Man, Like seriously.
Speaker 1: But I also the one thing that really kind of
Speaker 1: I mentioned it before, but we're in a I think
Speaker 1: we're in a technology gap. Have you paid attention to
Speaker 1: the movie three Body Problem. That's show three Body Problem
Speaker 1: on Netflix.
Speaker 2: It's actually on I was telling my wife about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I am aware.
Speaker 1: Nick. You got to watch that, man, you got to
Speaker 1: watch that. And here and here's the reason why I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin it for you because it
Speaker 1: really is fascinating. And I'm telling you if it goes
Speaker 1: along the lines of all this stuff. Even though they
Speaker 1: don't illustrate anything with uapes and cryptids or they don't
Speaker 1: talk about any of the stuff in there, they just
Speaker 1: talk about why scientists are dying all around the world.
Speaker 1: They're made to stop. They're encouraged to stop their experiments
Speaker 1: and they're problem solving and they're investigating, and they're and
Speaker 1: they're solving problems through science through their particular fields. They're
Speaker 1: told to stop or they're going to be or they're
Speaker 1: going to die, and some of them, a lot of
Speaker 1: them do die because they don't stop. But this this
Speaker 1: show goes on what it is is. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: do you have any idea of what the show is about?
Speaker 2: I must admit I did get somewhat curious, Kevin, and
Speaker 2: I did google about the Panama Canal.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the nanofibers been there. Yeah, that was that
Speaker 1: was wildly fascinating. That was really cool and and some
Speaker 1: of that stuff is far fetched. But do you do
Speaker 1: you know what the show is about. I don't want
Speaker 1: to ruin it for you, man.
Speaker 2: I've actually got the books on order, so yeah, I
Speaker 2: know they're based on the trilogy books.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to ruin it for you. But
Speaker 1: when you when you watch the show or read the books,
Speaker 1: I think that it's such a plausible scenario that our
Speaker 1: technology is stifled on purpose. I think that that a
Speaker 1: lot of our technology has been over the especially over
Speaker 1: the past seventy years, it's been you know, we should
Speaker 1: not be living the way we live, you know, the power,
Speaker 1: the way we pay for fossil fuels, and now that's
Speaker 1: all built to you know, big corporations. It's it's built
Speaker 1: for people to make money, for the powerful to stay powerful,
Speaker 1: is what it is. That's why we pay into the system,
Speaker 1: and we're constantly constantly reproducing debt and having to pay
Speaker 1: it off, you know, consuming consuming fuels, consuming medical I mean,
Speaker 1: you name it. That the corporations around the world survive
Speaker 1: off of us, and if there's no need for it
Speaker 1: when they're when that kind of technology hits and really
Speaker 1: makes advance of the civilization, it kind of it would
Speaker 1: take the power away from people. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of that technology is suppressed. But
Speaker 1: it really could be suppressed because of because of a
Speaker 1: different type of control that's going on in this world
Speaker 1: in my opinions. But watch that show, dude, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I certainly will. I can certainly see this. I mean
Speaker 2: an example would be the pharmaceutical industry. You know, predominantly
Speaker 2: they're not there to cure you. They're just there to
Speaker 2: treat your symptoms and of course to keep you going
Speaker 2: back and seal. All this with some of the prices
Speaker 2: of the medicine these days, is crazy. So I can
Speaker 2: understand why we're in the stage we are, but we
Speaker 2: should we certainly shouldn't be not when you look at
Speaker 2: some of the advances we have made over the last
Speaker 2: hundred years, we just seem to be in a rut
Speaker 2: of the minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, marking time. And when you read those books and
Speaker 1: you watch that show, think about this conversation. When you
Speaker 1: read those books and watch the show. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that it's exactly that. Like, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: this world is in that scenario. I'm just saying there
Speaker 1: are some parallels that if you think about it, and
Speaker 1: you think about all the stuff that goes on this world,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to talk about UFOs. Everybody, you know, people
Speaker 1: make fun of it. There's a big tab it's taboo.
Speaker 1: You know. They ruin people's careers and they laugh journalists
Speaker 1: off the stage, you know, because they want to talk
Speaker 1: about things that people experience and and and have. They
Speaker 1: have whistleblowers that come out and they and they they
Speaker 1: label all the whistleblowers crazy or they're saying they discredit them.
Speaker 1: The amount of people that are coming out now and
Speaker 1: talking about this stuff, it's it's gaining momentum. But I
Speaker 1: think that that's been suppressed for years and it's still suppressed.
Speaker 1: Still is absolutely suppressed. I tried to show my buddies,
Speaker 1: you know, the one I mentioned that it was three
Speaker 1: of us in the wood in the desert that you
Speaker 1: know initially when you and I talked, but I had
Speaker 1: forgotten that it was only my friend Edgar and I
Speaker 1: and maybe a third person somebody else that we can't
Speaker 1: remember who it was that was with us that night,
Speaker 1: but seemingly it might have been only him and I
Speaker 1: when that try angles seemed to swoop down lower and
Speaker 1: come right directly at us in the desert. You know,
Speaker 1: it didn't change direction necessarily, but it seemed to get
Speaker 1: it seemed to be almost tracking right on us as
Speaker 1: it went over those mountains. It was when I remember,
Speaker 1: it was kind of ominous thinking back about it. But
Speaker 1: you know, that's the kind of thing that you know,
Speaker 1: if I try to talk to them about that, and
Speaker 1: you know, I showed them the Nimts encounters. I mentioned
Speaker 1: how that documentary was extreme. I say documentary, but that
Speaker 1: recreation of that and the way that those gentlemen all
Speaker 1: tell their stories. They're all professional about it. They're not embellishing,
Speaker 1: they're not romanticizing. Some could be a little bit better
Speaker 1: in the you know, orators, if you will, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, they're just plain language telling what they saw.
Speaker 1: And they're very credible, that's all. But the way they're
Speaker 1: talking about some of that stuff, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know about the rad I don't know anything about
Speaker 1: radar systems and stuff like that on these ships. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you that there's some really advanced stuff
Speaker 1: and they knew what they were talking about. They when
Speaker 1: they were talking about the tapes and stuff like that
Speaker 1: on airplanes. Yeah, absolutely, I mean that stuff is protected
Speaker 1: and when somebody wants it, if a certain entity comes
Speaker 1: in and wants it and they have their credentials, you're
Speaker 1: not going to say no to them. So I think
Speaker 1: that I think that it is. It sucks that I
Speaker 1: tried to, you know, get my buddies interested in this stuff,
Speaker 1: because I think they should care too, Like, at a minimum,
Speaker 1: you know, people should care because it's a program that
Speaker 1: if it was reeled in a little bit, it probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as expensive. And if it was reeled in
Speaker 1: a little bit, they might say, Okay, well some of
Speaker 1: this technology would benefit mankind. And it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be all of the technology they can build bombs out of,
Speaker 1: because let's face it, those things are weapons. If those
Speaker 1: tic tac objects they mentioned as soon as I saw
Speaker 1: the video, and they didn't mention in that video, but
Speaker 1: p dot tubes, they the appendages that were illustrated as
Speaker 1: hanging off the bottom of those things. To me, they
Speaker 1: look just like p dot tubes. And if you know
Speaker 1: what that that's an airspeed device, like it's just a
Speaker 1: it's a component and a system that has air rammed
Speaker 1: into it effectively, and it tells the airplane how fast
Speaker 1: this schooling is effectively the way that I remember it works.
Speaker 1: But they can heat them so they don't freeze at altitude,
Speaker 1: but they take in they take in that and they
Speaker 1: give the aircraft information. Now, if those things are pea
Speaker 1: doot tubes, they weren't seemingly facing in the right direction,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean they weren't peat tubes on those
Speaker 1: tick tacks. So the other part of that nick is
Speaker 1: what I'm telling you, is why would aliens have peat
Speaker 1: tubes on their craft? If they were aliens? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Why would they need such things? Why
Speaker 1: would they need p dot tube? Seriously, if they're thousands
Speaker 1: of years or millions of years in the future ahead
Speaker 1: of us, why would they need those on those tic TACs?
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. Something else that I would
Speaker 1: love to talk to that guy Gary about and any
Speaker 1: of those guys, is they they talked about when that
Speaker 1: tic tac was darting over the water. They illustrated darting
Speaker 1: over the water. But there was a disturbance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: No one talked about it. No one says, that's an
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier under the water. I think that that's what
Speaker 1: that was. I think that that's where those I think
Speaker 1: that they have the ability to enter and exit those
Speaker 1: that whatever was under the water. I think that that
Speaker 1: tic tack came out of it, either came out of it,
Speaker 1: or was escorting it somehow. But I believe that that's
Speaker 1: probably what that was, because it didn't It was a
Speaker 1: disturbance under the water and it went away and they
Speaker 1: couldn't they could make out that it was huge, like
Speaker 1: the size of a seven forty seven. I think they said,
Speaker 1: but if there are multiples, multiples of those tic tacks,
Speaker 1: like they were saying on radar, but nothing illustrated, nothing
Speaker 1: visually that I've heard anybody talk about, that has to
Speaker 1: be a carrier of some type under the water. It's
Speaker 1: about the only thing that I could think that it
Speaker 1: would be.
Speaker 2: I think he was kind of swaying into the opinion
Speaker 2: that you know, it was ours, and they were just
Speaker 2: in a place that it was experimented on.
Speaker 1: And so well, both of the times that they did it,
Speaker 1: both of the times they did that nick were on
Speaker 1: training events, so the planes weren't armed. So whoever alien
Speaker 1: or whoever or government tech, whoever has those knew that
Speaker 1: the planes weren't going to be armed. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: that the planes could shoot the tick tacks down. It
Speaker 1: was that if somebody shot off an AM nine X
Speaker 1: or they shot off an amram you know, name one twenty,
Speaker 1: if they shot off one of those missiles, there's a
Speaker 1: chance to get hit a plane or go errant and
Speaker 1: hit something else. So there was never any at least
Speaker 1: in those two instances when they getting harassed by the
Speaker 1: gimbal videos and they go fast, and then the tic
Speaker 1: TACs and back in two thousand and four, I think
Speaker 1: the tic TACs were happening around the aircraft carrier. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to somebody about what they
Speaker 1: actually saw in the videos they saw, if they wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about them, But you know, no more than
Speaker 1: curiously like I would like to, like if they were gonna, Man,
Speaker 1: I don't work anymore, you know, but I sure would
Speaker 1: like to go out and if they have those teams
Speaker 1: where they go out and just sit there and watch,
Speaker 1: I think that'd be fun. I've seen I've seen the
Speaker 1: videos where they do that, But I'm sure they have
Speaker 1: tons of people like willing to go and hang out
Speaker 1: with them and when to watch the sky, and I
Speaker 1: just I'm not willing to take that kind of step
Speaker 1: to commit that to it, but commit that kind of
Speaker 1: time to it. But I definitely find it fascinating. And
Speaker 1: what do you think? I mean, do you think do
Speaker 1: you think that the p dot tubes or maybe they
Speaker 1: were some kind of landing like a skid, like a
Speaker 1: helicopter skid. It could have been something like that, But
Speaker 1: why would they need those appendages on it if it
Speaker 1: wasn't man made.
Speaker 2: I've always been, even initially when it first come out
Speaker 2: about it, I've always been in the opinion that it
Speaker 2: was an experimental tech. The tubes are interesting because, like
Speaker 2: you said, if it was gathering information, it would be
Speaker 2: facing the other way. But if it did double up
Speaker 2: as for landing, then it would make sense to be
Speaker 2: able to turn it around. How they would work? You know,
Speaker 2: I really don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not an engineer. I don't pretend to know either,
Speaker 1: but fascinating observations and even the little bit of stuff
Speaker 1: that's been leaked out is wildly fascinating to me. I'd
Speaker 1: love to know who it is. I'd love to know
Speaker 1: if it's if it's human. But what I was getting at,
Speaker 1: you know, earlier, is and there's people talking about it there.
Speaker 1: I forget the one gentleman. He's an American and I
Speaker 1: think his family is Japanese and it's real famous scientist.
Speaker 1: I can't I forget his name. It's a simple name, Kufu,
Speaker 1: I think it is, or something like that. But this
Speaker 1: guy is talking about like there's really it can't be
Speaker 1: because of the power that you would need to generate
Speaker 1: to go up and down and you know, and left
Speaker 1: and right, or to be that tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: miles an hour instantly is wild. So where is that
Speaker 1: power generation coming from. That's scary to think that those craft,
Speaker 1: if they are, if they do, actually need that kind
Speaker 1: of power generation, because what they're talking about is magnetic
Speaker 1: you know, probably using something to do with the Earth's
Speaker 1: magnetic field and then maybe using that to propel aircraft potentially,
Speaker 1: But you'd have to you'd have to oppose one magnetic
Speaker 1: force with a powerful magnet, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: in theory, I think that's what that would have to
Speaker 1: do they have generating a lot of power and making
Speaker 1: a magnet that opposes the forces to be able to
Speaker 1: shoot it across the sky, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But drones is another thing. I was thinking they'd have
Speaker 1: to be drones in my opinion that it seemingly would
Speaker 1: have to be drones.
Speaker 2: If we have this technology that like you said, the
Speaker 2: amount of energy is like a bomb. I mean really,
Speaker 2: if we have that, other countries will eventually acquire this information.
Speaker 2: We've seen it before with the drone that went down over.
Speaker 1: Ran Well look at nukes, I mean nukes eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: countries developed nukes on their own.
Speaker 2: Is the case of we all have this technology, so
Speaker 2: you know, we all stand down or none of us
Speaker 2: have it. And if none of us have this technology,
Speaker 2: then you know we won't we won't develop, you know,
Speaker 2: we will never move forward. We would just kind of
Speaker 2: just stay in the stone age as it will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'll say this that if those things can
Speaker 1: do that in this atmosphere, I don't think it's restricted
Speaker 1: to the atmosphere unless it has to do just strictly
Speaker 1: off of Earth's magnetic magnetism, if you will. But if
Speaker 1: those things can get fourteen miles in the space, and
Speaker 1: they've been tracked at least that high. I think where
Speaker 1: else are they going? You know, because that's a planetary
Speaker 1: defense If it has the it's a planetary defense weapon,
Speaker 1: if you will. If it has that ability to get
Speaker 1: in it get out of the atmosphere like that, that quick,
Speaker 1: that thing would pass you know, hypersonic missiles like they're
Speaker 1: not there, like they could. It could just float right
Speaker 1: up to them and pop them out of the sky
Speaker 1: if it needed to. If they're that fast and they
Speaker 1: can move with you know, that kind of energy, then
Speaker 1: they can who knows the meteors whatever. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a planetary defense platform in my opinion. If it is ours,
Speaker 1: it's the potential for it to be a planetary defense platform,
Speaker 1: is there. It would have to be. But to hide
Speaker 1: it from humans and to not tell us that we
Speaker 1: have that stuff, I foresee a big problem coming. I
Speaker 1: have a friend that thinks that the Catholic Church has
Speaker 1: something to do with with and with introducing aliens and saying, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the aliens. But what happens when the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: doesn't get funded anymore because people don't believe in religion
Speaker 1: the way that they have for hundreds of years, thousands
Speaker 1: of years our religions. When they're not funding those religions
Speaker 1: and paying into them, what happens then, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be certainly interesting. But there might be
Speaker 2: the opinion that if God created us, then God created
Speaker 2: all life in the universe and beyond, I'd imagine. So
Speaker 2: I think that's maybe the role that will play. They
Speaker 2: know a hell of a lot more. There's going to
Speaker 2: be interesting times ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I just did. I want to live my
Speaker 1: retirement and I want to I want to relax and
Speaker 1: have and live the last half of my life and
Speaker 1: relative peace, you know what I mean. I really I
Speaker 1: was really looking forward to that. I hope it doesn't
Speaker 1: come crashing down. You see all these apocalyptic movies as
Speaker 1: you know, the plagued movies on TV. You know, you
Speaker 1: see the zombie movies and apocalyptic movies, everything falling apart.
Speaker 1: You know, that's just, uh God, I just hope that
Speaker 1: I can live the rest of my life. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happened at some point, you know, everything's going
Speaker 1: to come crashing down at some point. But I hope
Speaker 1: we can last fifty years or so.
Speaker 2: Another way of looking at it is, I mean, as
Speaker 2: there's always been these these kind of fear based movies
Speaker 2: from the science fiction movies of the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 2: If you imagine that the threat of the Cold War.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was born in seventy seven, and there
Speaker 2: was always this thing hanging over people. Who's going to
Speaker 2: let off a new first Everything's going to be destroyed.
Speaker 2: It never happened, so I can always look at it
Speaker 2: like that, you know, nothing's happened.
Speaker 1: At this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean what we've seen with pandemics
Speaker 2: and all the stuff which is going on the world now,
Speaker 2: it is a little bit scary.
Speaker 1: I must admit.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I kind of just want to live
Speaker 2: out the rest of my life in peace and tranquility
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find the subject fascinating. You know, it is fascinating,
Speaker 1: and it's it's cool to be able to tell my
Speaker 1: story at least, and you know, it's not there. There's
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of value to me telling the
Speaker 1: story as far as it's going to solve any problems.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously not going to solve any problems, but
Speaker 1: it Hopefully it gets people talking, and it gets it
Speaker 1: gets people interested, and it makes people think, well I
Speaker 1: saw something like that, And if enough people get together,
Speaker 1: there's going to be enough drive to try to find
Speaker 1: out what it is like are there? Are we really
Speaker 1: just puppets on this planet and we're just hanging out
Speaker 1: and everybody there's somebody else running this solar system and
Speaker 1: we're just along for the ride, and we just got
Speaker 1: to shut up in color kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 1: we just just just live.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is just live. I
Speaker 2: think for the period of time we spend on this
Speaker 2: planet and the period of time that the whole universe
Speaker 2: has been around, you know, we are literally just a dot.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, what's in our skies? That's that's my
Speaker 1: really as far as my interest goes right now, because
Speaker 1: nothing else. We can affect nothing else, dude, we can
Speaker 1: affect nothing else. If there are angels or aliens running
Speaker 1: this planet, man, we can't do anything about it. We
Speaker 1: can't even if that's their stuff. We can't touch them,
Speaker 1: you know, can't touch them. They're just there. It's like
Speaker 1: we're in a fishbowl and they just dump the water
Speaker 1: out every now and.
Speaker 2: Then, that's a good way of looking at it. Absolutely, Kevin.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for
Speaker 2: our listeners.
Speaker 1: It's been my honor. Thank you for giving me the
Speaker 1: time and let me tell my stories. I hope that
Speaker 1: that invigorates other people to get out there and look
Speaker 1: up and watch the skies and talk about what they're seeing.
Speaker 1: I want people to start having the conversation and really
Speaker 1: get interested in the anomalous things that are in the sky.
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating and I think that there is
Speaker 1: worth in knowing what it is.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Nick, I couldn't agree more. Kevin,
Speaker 2: keep in contact, okay, and we will speak soon and
Speaker 2: I enjoy the rest of the night.
Speaker 1: We'll do. Take care, sir.
Speaker 2: Thank you, take care bye for now. That is all
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Speaker 2: big thank you to Kevin for sharing tonight, and thank
Speaker 2: you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Speaker 2: Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye
Speaker 2: King