WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.039 a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.480 thirty one. Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.279 UFO over hey, we want to one of those data. 5 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:16.559 Areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a report 6 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:17.320 of any kind of it? 7 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 8 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:27.199 Time areas thirty one me neither there. See if it 9 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.600 was anybody a h above us to pass us, like 10 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:34.759 thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay, 11 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.039 off fi the UFO. 12 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.920 Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over. 13 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:43.840 God. I don't know what. 14 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:46.479 It was, but it's from at least to three thousand 15 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:48.240 feet above us. See, I passed right over the top 16 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:53.479 of us ninety one one. 17 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:56.799 You just called both to mee be four RESU they're 18 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.240 after staying the airplanes. 19 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:05.920 He say to God. More calm on an unidentified object 20 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:14.239 every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object. 21 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share 22 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 23 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.519 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 24 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:47.920 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 25 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.200 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're 26 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.840 all doing okay. I'm the Khunter and this is the 27 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:58.439 UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest, Kevin, comes to us from 28 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:01.159 the state of Florida in the US, and Kevin will 29 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:03.280 be sharing a couple of sightings that he's had over 30 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.680 the years. The first one was while he was on 31 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:09.479 deployment in the desert of twenty nine Palms when he 32 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:13.280 witnessed a black triang or fly overhead. And then a 33 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.319 sighting from twenty twenty three when he witnessed something in 34 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:20.280 the shape of a dumbbell while he was looking through 35 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.639 night vision goggles. Kevin is up next, but first, if 36 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:26.520 you enjoy the show and you would like to help 37 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.520 support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for 38 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.080 as little as one dollar a month. Head on over 39 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:36.599 to patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles Podcast. You 40 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.280 can also find a link in the description of this episode. 41 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:59.439 Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Kevin, 42 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:01.199 Welcome to the podcast. 43 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:03.479 Thank you Nick, it's good to be here. 44 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:06.520 Thank you for joining us tonight and you'll call in 45 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:11.120 from Florida in the US. Yes, sir, Now, Kevin, you 46 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.039 have some strange encounts to share with us. So would 47 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:15.680 you like start at the beginning please? 48 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.159 I would. I'm just to give you a quick background 49 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:22.400 on who I am and my experience in aviation. I've 50 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.360 from the age of nineteen I was working on military planes. 51 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:31.159 I worked on Ava B Harriers. I worked on F 52 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:36.199 eighteen Alpha, Charlie and Delta model aircraft. I've worked on 53 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:40.639 Coobers and Huey's or h Ones h ones. I have 54 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:46.599 also worked on transport helicopters for marine corps and I 55 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:52.639 have roughly we called roughly twenty five years experience around aviation. 56 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.719 I've got aircraft carrier, flight deck time, three different ships 57 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:02.199 in country Iraq in Afghanistan, seen and been around plenty 58 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.759 of types of aircraft. I've put my hands on you two's, 59 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.919 I've been around b ones and B two's, F one 60 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.520 seventeen's up close all of those aircraft. So I'm relatively 61 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:16.199 familiar with at least the what stealth those stealth planes 62 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:20.120 look like, but I've never touched them as far as 63 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:22.439 worked on them. Done any mainenance on them. I don't 64 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.319 have that kind of familiarity with them, but seeing them 65 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:25.839 in the sky, I can at least pick them out 66 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.199 and say, Okay, well that's what that was. But that's 67 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:32.240 my that's more or less my background with aviation. I'm 68 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.319 pretty confident in my ability to see something in the 69 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:37.720 sky and say, well, you know, I don't know what 70 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:39.279 that is. I can admit when I don't know what 71 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.720 something is, and then I can look at a look 72 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:43.720 at a plane or a helicopter ands oh, that's that's 73 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:45.839 or even hear them sometimes and be able to tell 74 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:47.680 you what it is. So I have enough experience around 75 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.480 aviation to see things in the sky and know that 76 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:57.000 it's probably not anything that I can explain, nor could 77 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.240 anybody else with me at the times that I've seen 78 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:03.319 these things. So we were we were on a deployment 79 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.399 and twenty nine Palms, just in preparation for big deployments 80 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:11.720 to go overseas, and we you know, we live in 81 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.160 the desert and you work in the desert, and we 82 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.519 would work. I was on night crew, my particular shift 83 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.240 at the time. We would go to work at say 84 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:22.519 four pm, and then we would get off anywhere between 85 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:26.319 three and sometimes as late as even seven am. But 86 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.120 on this particular night, my friend Edgar and I were 87 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.600 walking through the desert walking back or we had secured 88 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:35.319 for the evening, and we were walking back from our 89 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.040 spaces on the flight line, and we were going back 90 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.319 to where we were staying at the time in the 91 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:45.000 quant nuts. We were walking through desert, and I've always 92 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.160 looked at the skies. I've always even as a kid, 93 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:48.920 I've always just looked at the skies and loved to 94 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.560 look at stars and shooting stars. And now you know, 95 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.759 satellites are even easier to see than they were when 96 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.360 I was a kid. But you know, when you get 97 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:59.040 out into these dark places like aircraft care flight decks 98 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.720 at night or even at back Afghanistan or Kwait, you know, 99 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.519 you get get out there where there's really low light 100 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.040 pollution and you can just you can see satellite snaked 101 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:10.720 eye just crisscrossing the sky. Sometimes I've always found that interesting. 102 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.120 So my friend, my friend Edgar, and I were walking 103 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:18.199 across the desert and we were watching for satellites, and 104 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:22.439 I happened to look from what I recounted on maps, 105 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.319 you know, to spent some time, but I looked to 106 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.199 our left, and I could see what appeared to be 107 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.000 stars being blacked out on the horizon, roughly on the 108 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.920 horizon over I'm over. I don't want to I hesitate 109 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.079 to call them mountains because they're probably not much taller 110 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.720 than like say, fifteen hundred or two thousand feet. They're 111 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:46.000 not very tall, but they're rocky hills. We would call 112 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.000 mountains if we were to describe them. So I'm looking 113 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:51.800 over these mountains and I see this area of stars 114 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:53.920 that are just being blacked out, And I could tell 115 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.480 that whatever it was was moving because the stars are 116 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:02.519 reappearing behind it as it's progressed towards us. Seemingly, this 117 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.040 thing got my buddy's attention, and we sat there and 118 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.800 watched this thing come right towards We just stood there 119 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.240 and we watched them. We're like, man, the things, they're 120 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:17.279 right over us. And sure enough, this enormous it appeared 121 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:19.759 to be a triangle. It came up as it came 122 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.360 over it was a triangle. I mean we couldn't you 123 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:23.360 couldn't tell from the distance, but as it came towards us, 124 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.279 we were able to tell it was just a triangle shape. 125 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.439 And it was very strange because it was so hard 126 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.920 to see. It was dark, but it was a clear night. 127 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.879 This thing was enormous and lumbering seemingly, so it came 128 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.560 over as extremely low speed as what I would say, 129 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:41.439 I mean, it could have been probably maybe moving one 130 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.480 hundred better than one hundred miles an hour, maybe close 131 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:46.240 close to two hundred miles an hour. Was just so 132 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.319 large that when big things like that are moving in 133 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.600 the sky. You've seen jumbo jets and such, they don't 134 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.199 you know, when they're taken off, they're moving one hundred 135 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.279 plus miles an hour, but they're lumbering. You know, they're 136 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:00.879 big objects, and they're not they don't have the speed 137 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.199 up yet. But anyway, so this thing's cruising over us, 138 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:08.279 and as it cruises over us, there is absolutely no sound, 139 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:12.639 and I think we were probably just standing there jaws dropped, like, 140 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.360 oh my goodness, this is unreal. Like there's no way 141 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.240 to describe it other than that it was a large, 142 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:25.079 dark triangle with a faint red glow in the very 143 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:30.439 center of it that lit up the surface of this craft. 144 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:35.600 And it was a it looked to be grayish or black, 145 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.519 almost like we would paint stealth like the stealth technology 146 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.440 you'd see on air on our airplanes. But this thing 147 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.720 was no B two. This thing had a red light glowing. 148 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.320 Now that you hear about TR three bees and such, 149 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:53.399 the I think that's just a you know, it's something 150 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.759 the public is labeled. There's nothing confirmed that there is 151 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:59.000 a TR three B. But you see illustrations of these things, 152 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.120 and they have a red light in the center, and 153 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:06.120 they have white lights out at the tips. The all 154 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.000 the all of these illustrations and then some of the 155 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.240 photographs that people have snapped of these leeged t R 156 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.279 three b's. I didn't see any white lights out on 157 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.919 the tips. I didn't see any navigation lights. I didn't 158 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:22.120 see any anti collision lights flashing lights. When planes operate 159 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.840 in the US, they especially over friendly airspace, they're going 160 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.879 to have anti collision lights on at a minimum. And 161 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:32.639 this plane was coming from what I believe to be 162 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:37.519 the north east and moving. It seemed like it was 163 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.080 moving south and it would have been heading towards Mexico, 164 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.399 you know, out of you know, from California, if it 165 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:47.600 kept on the path. The as it went over, absolutely 166 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.720 no sound, no rumble, no nothing. It was a quiet 167 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.480 night there were no planes turning, there was no you know, 168 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:55.639 all of the airfield was the airfield was closed, so 169 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.240 all the lights were off. There was no light pollution, 170 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.039 no no engine noise anywhere. And this thing went right 171 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:06.120 over us. And I think we told our some friends 172 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:07.840 about it, and they were just kind of like, they 173 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:10.679 just kind of blew us off. They didn't. They were like, yeah, 174 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:14.279 you guys are crazy. You know, maybe even we probably 175 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.320 even caught some hell over it, you know, calling us 176 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:19.639 UFO nuts or something. But at the time, you know, 177 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:22.000 I didn't. I don't even think I made that that 178 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:23.759 big of a deal out of it, or tried to 179 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.080 tell too many people about it, because you know, I know, 180 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:32.200 I knew then that that there are craft and things 181 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:36.440 that you know, our government operates and clandestinely that they're developing. 182 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.000 I knew that, and it occurred to me that that 183 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.519 could have been something like that. And even still I 184 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.320 don't I'm not going to claim to know what it was. 185 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:44.639 I'm not going to claim that it was a TR 186 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.519 three B, but I can tell you that that was 187 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:52.039 that kind of technology, whether it's alien or whether it's 188 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:57.600 whether it's ours or whoever human made it, definitely was 189 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.360 a technology that is not available to the US, or 190 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.600 to say it is not available us as civilians to 191 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.039 benefit from that kind of technology. There's no way that 192 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:13.240 that kind of technology was acknowledged back then and definitely 193 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:18.840 still not now. But seeing that and reading about it 194 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:20.679 later because I started, you know, the TR three B 195 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:22.879 started to pop up, and I thought back, and I 196 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.360 contacted my friend, and my friend and I we still 197 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.639 talk about it sometimes. In fact, we were just in 198 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:31.399 Las Vegas and we brought it up just briefly tod, 199 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:33.279 you know, to kind of recount it a little bit. 200 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.279 And it was I guess thirty years ago, nearly thirty 201 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.240 years ago. And surely if that was technology like that might, 202 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.360 at least in my theory, that technology would have been 203 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.200 has been developed on since. So God only knows if 204 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:48.759 that was US. Sky only knows what we have now. 205 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:50.600 Maybe some of the other things we're seeing in the 206 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.200 sky could be US. And I, you know, I wouldn't 207 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:58.080 describe myself as a UFO NT, but I'm wildly fascinated 208 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.399 by the subject UAPs and UFOs, So it is something 209 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.399 that I do pay attention to. And I don't go 210 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.879 out and hunt and post up outside and look and 211 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:15.200 just look for these things. But I do watch the skies. 212 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:19.159 And in another instance that I had in Afghanistan, my friend, 213 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.759 my friend Wade and I we were walking out from 214 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:24.360 our spaces and we were walking out to work on 215 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.639 our airplanes, and we just so happened to look in 216 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.360 the direction of the army airfield side where the helicopters 217 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.480 are based out of. And you know that it was 218 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:35.720 late and I don't think they were even flying or 219 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.759 operating that I could tell. I didn't see any helicopters 220 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:40.360 or here. We didn't, you know, there are none of 221 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:46.480 our birds returning. We noticed two lights on again mountains, 222 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.960 if you will, ridges, you know, these these hills that 223 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.679 were probably low, you know, a couple thousand feet off 224 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:55.600 the ground. But the at the top of these hills 225 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.320 there was a valley in between two ridge lines, and 226 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:05.360 on either ridgeline there were perched each each ridgeline had 227 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.840 a white light perched on top of it, and there 228 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:13.639 was nothing where these lights were. And to see two 229 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:17.440 white lights in the sky like that that were seemingly 230 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.039 almost like a like a car headlight. They were bright, 231 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.639 it was bright, it was shining, it was broadcasting light. 232 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:29.279 Each one was and they were approximately i'd say they 233 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:32.600 were probably two hundred feet off the top, no more 234 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.519 than two hundred feet off the top of each ridgeline, seemingly. 235 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:38.120 And we watched them, My buddy and I stood there like, 236 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.840 what is that? There's nothing there? You know, we were 237 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:44.120 both kind of taken back by it, and we just 238 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:45.440 sat there and watched it for a little bit, and 239 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.759 then we went on about our business, and you know, 240 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.600 we worked, worked around for a couple few hours and 241 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.200 looked back over there and the lights are still sitting there. 242 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.240 The lights were still just sitting there in the sky. 243 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:00.279 It wasn't anything, you know, extraordinary. It didn't you know, 244 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.480 it didn't flash or you know, put on a light show. 245 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:06.240 It didn't move fast. But they were just stationary and 246 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.519 they weren't supposed to be there, and just so happened. 247 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.360 When we walked around did our thing, you know, we're 248 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.879 working throughout the night. And then it occurred to me 249 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:15.360 to look back in that direction again to see if 250 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:18.879 they were still there. And as I did, the ridge 251 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:21.120 line on the left the light had disappeared, it was gone. 252 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.360 But the ridge line on the right, there was a light. 253 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.200 There was one of it. I assumed it was the 254 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:30.559 same light. It had moved seemingly five six miles down 255 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.120 the ridge line. It was pretty far, almost out of view, 256 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.200 but it had moved down the ridge line and was 257 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.759 still stationary in the sky seemingly, but just had moved positions. 258 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:46.440 You know. I look for things like that, and I 259 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:50.519 wish more people did, because I think they would take 260 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.080 some of the stigma off of it. If more people 261 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.639 talked about things they'd see in the sky, I think 262 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:59.639 it would invoke a lot of conversation and eventually maybe 263 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:02.159 we could somewhere and figure figure out what some of 264 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:04.840 this stuff is. That's that's one of the reasons I 265 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.240 like to I like to talk about it. The third 266 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.320 incident that I would like to share was probably the 267 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:16.559 most to me. That triangle at the time was wildly 268 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.919 fascinating and I'll never forget it memorable. But this thing 269 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:24.120 that I saw, and it was in November. It was 270 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.840 November twenty ninth of last year. I And the reason 271 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:30.480 I know that is because after I saw this, I 272 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.519 immediately sat down and drew it out on my phone. 273 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.440 I just drew it out, you know, very simple, very 274 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.559 simple drawing, and I even shaded it in the colors 275 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:42.240 that you would see through night vision goggles. But I 276 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.960 was able to see on this object definition and I 277 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.080 drew the definition and I've sent I've sent you the 278 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.279 quick picture, you know, the quick little drawing that i've 279 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:53.320 that I've put together. I sent that to you. But 280 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:55.600 the way that that came about, I was in my 281 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.039 backyard and I have relatively low light pollution in the backyard, 282 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:01.519 and I like to sit out there with a telescope 283 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.360 or or just sit out and watch, you know, watch 284 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.440 stars at night and listen to music, sit with friends 285 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:10.360 and talk. We can see you can see satellites relatively easy. 286 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:12.600 I had a set of night vision goggles and I 287 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.279 was searching for satellites and just watching the skies, not 288 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.519 looking for UFOs, because again that's not something I do, 289 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:22.399 or I wouldn't even sit out here and do it now. 290 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.159 It's it doesn't call me like that. But I was 291 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.720 watching watch for satellites and I looked happened to look 292 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:34.799 in in a northeasterly direction, and I picked up something 293 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.279 again moving across the horizon, moving across the sky, and 294 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.720 it was it wasn't blacking out stars, per say, but 295 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.279 because I could see an object through my MVGS. But 296 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.440 what set me back was there was no lights on it. 297 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.399 And anyone that's been around military aircraft or just aircraft 298 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.159 in general know that they're going to have anti collision 299 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.960 lights on in the sky. They're going to have they're 300 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.360 going to have some kind of position lights on. They're 301 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.679 going to have a red and a green or even 302 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:08.000 a white light glowing at some point on the aircraft, 303 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:11.720 you know, to just as a safety. Right. So what 304 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:16.279 I saw through the MVGS as it got closer was 305 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:22.880 if you could imagine a dog bone or a dumbbell, 306 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:29.680 just shaped object, but instead of squared off, rounded, kind 307 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.799 of rounded front and back with a with the connecting 308 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.640 connecting mass in the center of it. And then it 309 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:41.039 had two circular you know, front and back. I wouldn't 310 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.440 call them the cells, but it just it looked the 311 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.680 way I drew it out, it it almost looked like 312 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:51.000 a hoverboard or something. Just it had edges to it. 313 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.519 It had a circular inside of each on the front 314 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.440 and the back of it. It had it was circular, 315 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.480 but it had circles inside that, or at least the 316 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.319 design I could see. It's very tough to get any 317 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.519 kind of depth perception out of night vision goggles, as 318 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:08.599 you may know. But as this thing came over, I 319 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.519 got my friend who was standing there next to me, 320 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.279 and I tried to get her to see it through 321 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.559 the mvgs, but she couldn't acquire it. So I just 322 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.640 I got am back from her and I was able 323 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.240 to watch it go right over the house. But when 324 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:21.200 I try to explain to her what I was seeing, 325 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.920 I mean, I at first I thought, is this a 326 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.960 satellite or something? But you can't see definition on satellites. 327 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:28.759 You can catch a glow off of satellite, their sun's 328 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.759 reflection office satellites, you know, you can see that's the 329 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.480 light you're seeing, you know, when you look in the sky, 330 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.279 and that shows up really well. With MVG's you can 331 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.359 see satellites really really high up in an altitude compared 332 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.599 to and stuff you can't see naked eye. You can 333 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.200 see with night vision goggles or any kind of you know, 334 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.200 night vision device. You can see satellites moving that you 335 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.559 wouldn't be able to see naked eye. This thing, you 336 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.119 couldn't have seen this naked eye. It was relatively clear 337 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:59.480 night and it was high enough an altitude that you 338 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.759 couldn't see it naked eye. You might catch stars being 339 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.359 blocked out, but you wouldn't have been able to see 340 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:08.319 any kind of definition on it. As it went over 341 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:12.160 my house seemingly you know. Again, I don't I hesitate 342 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.039 to throw a number out there on altitude, but I 343 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.359 want to say that it just it seemed pretty high up, 344 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.200 like into the thousands of feet, seemingly large, but large, 345 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.039 you know, large enough for me to see a definition. 346 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:28.759 And once again, absolutely no sound whatsoever, no glow of 347 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:34.640 lights from a cockpit, absolutely no light emitted, which you know, 348 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.599 blew me away. I was extremely excited about seeing that. 349 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.039 Immediately sat down and drew it out. And then as 350 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.240 after I drew it out, I started the searching on 351 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:47.400 the internet, and I found where people had seen a 352 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:51.559 similar a similar UFO I say, UFO similar object that 353 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.759 it was twenty thirteen and nineteen seventy eight. That where 354 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:56.960 I think I read read that people had seen it, 355 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.160 and I'd love to talk to some more people and 356 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:03.720 see if they could remember texture. Remember not texture, that's 357 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:06.240 not the right description there. If somebody could see the 358 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.119 definition of it, I'd like to see what I'd like 359 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:11.400 to know what they saw because if we're seeing the 360 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:16.000 same thing, then you know, if from from nineteen seventy eight, 361 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.680 that's not there's no in my opinion, that's not like 362 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.759 our technology. That's just my opinion. I don't think that 363 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:24.839 that could be our Potentially, I don't think that could 364 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:29.119 be our technology, but who knows, it could be an 365 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.839 advancement of even what I saw in the desert if 366 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.400 that was ours. But it just sucks that, you know 367 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:40.000 that technology is advancing, but we're still driving around and 368 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.119 cars burning gas and you know, oil and rebber tires 369 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.559 kind of thing. That's just but that's a subject for 370 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.079 another day, discussion for another day, another time. That is 371 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.799 that's pretty much my extent, the extent of my experience 372 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:56.400 with things that I've seen in the sky that I 373 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.000 couldn't describe, but I do like talking about them. I'd 374 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.400 be like bringing it out to friends and see if 375 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.480 they've they've seen anything. Some people just laugh and uh, 376 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:08.519 other people are just completely disinterested. It's wild to me 377 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.039 that the stigma and the and the and the lack 378 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:16.279 of interest and care that people have because these things 379 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:20.880 could potentially be from from outside our outside of our 380 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:24.319 you know, outside of our socialsm outside of our planet. 381 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:27.240 You know, they could be off world. It's a little 382 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:28.960 bit over It can be overwhelming if you think too 383 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.480 much about it, you know, But I uh, I find 384 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.359 I'm at least fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by it. 385 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:36.759 So I like to watch the you know, the UFO 386 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:38.839 shows or the you know. I like to get on 387 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.440 YouTube and watch trying to think of the gentleman's name 388 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:44.720 I have a I have a picture of course, I 389 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.559 follow your podcast. You had Gary Boorhees on there, and 390 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.880 I sure liked hearing him talk. I liked hearing his 391 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:53.799 uh his account of the tic tac on the on 392 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:58.279 the Knimics encounters. That is an outstanding uh an outstanding production. 393 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.160 I think that they did very well with that. I'm 394 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.799 usually really picky when they do re enactments, and even 395 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.960 just the radio traffic, the way they were talking to 396 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.519 the pilots and back and forth the air traffic controllers, 397 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:13.200 it was it was really well put together. They weren't 398 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:17.559 exaggerating or embellishing anything, and it was just a matter 399 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.000 of fact, like, hey, and they don't know what it is. 400 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.039 Nobody's trying to say that it's UFOs or it's aliens. 401 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.359