Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.
So excited it's been too long since we have talked
to our bff, Denesh de Susa, who's got a new
film out, The Dragons Prophecy, all about the Jews, the Palestinians,
the Land that is fought over. Definitely add it to
your must watch list. In the meantime, Denesh has been
very vocal, much like we have, about this crazy rift
that is currently taking place on the right between normal
conservatives who have not lost sight of our conservative values
and the insane gropers and the people like Tucker Carlson
who are mainstreaming them. So Denesh, to just kick off
this conversation, we want to know if you've ever gotten
the kind of vitriol in your career like the kind
that the gropers are currently dishing out, because for us,
it is all.
Speaker 2: It's a whole new level, NonStop, yeah, NonStop, very abusive.
Speaker 3: The attitude appears to be that we can't possibly believe
the things we do. We must be getting paid, or
we must be People have actually tried to ransack my
background to find out if I'm a secret jewunix it
as this is my favorite. I'm a Hindu. Hindu meets you.
I'm a Hindu. I love this. Yeah, this is I
can do a comedy called the Hinju. It'd probably be
a pretty good movie. So no, the But look, I
want to say, you know, I debated Fuentes, as you
guys probably know, I've got a little bit of an
up close look at some of these characters. I do
want to say, I think there's something a little strange
going on here. And here's what I mean. These guys
like Fuentes will go, you know, Team Hitler. They love
this sort of I'm a Nazi and we are horrified
appropriately and we go, oh my god. But the more
I look at it more closely, the more I realize
Nick Fouentees isn't actually a Nazi. He isn't actually Team Hitler.
And his followers know this. This is an inside joke
between Nick and his followers. In other words, he's a
Nazi poser. Nazism is his shtick. Now, you and I
can't get that because it's hard for us to believe
why somebody would be an aspiring Nazi, Like, why would
you want to do that?
Speaker 4: And it's not funny, Yeah right, it is not funny,
but it is the ultimate middle finger. It's the ultimate
fu it is the ultimate rebel stance. And that is
really what Nick is going for. I mean the reason
you know, he's not a Nazi, he's the ultimate pansy.
I mean, he's a complete beta male. He's got this
high pitched, whiny voice. So the idea that he would
actually do any of the things that Hitler did, no way.
Speaker 3: You know, Hitler took on the brown Shirts and had
the head of the brown Shirts. This tough guy executed
Nick basically, you know, puts on his little narrow tie
and his navy blazer. You know, he is he is
doing a certain type of performance artistry. Now it's is
it malevolent, yes? Is he an anti Semite? Yes, But
I also think that some of this rhetoric that causes
the Ben Shapiras of the world to hit the ceiling.
We have to recognize that this is a game that
he is playing with his followers who who like this
kind of a sick game. Many of them are basement dwellers.
They're kind of nihilistic. They think that there's an establishment
that runs both parties and that elites have put everybody
at the top of the list and they are at
the bottom of the list. So this is the These
are the fumes that give rise to this kind of
performance politics. So do you think end Yeah, yeah, what
is the point? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you think that he is just some sort of
an agent to so discord and like chaos and the
Republican Party? Do you think that's what his goal is?
What do you think the goal is?
Speaker 3: I think his goal is to use a certain type
of dark energy, if I can put it that way.
Nick is talented in this by the way. He knows
how to skirt the edge right and essentially what he's
doing is he's trying to burn it all down, which
is what all nihilists try to do. Their idea is
not that no one should be in charge, but what
they want to do is they want to wreck the
existing system. And they realize that to do that it's
not going to be done in an organized manner. It's
ultimately you're setting It's a kind of pyromania. You sort
of politically try to set fire to everything, hoping that
out of the ashes your side will emerge stronger than
it is now. And I think that's the game that
Nick is playing. Tucker is playing a little bit of
a different game than Nick. I think Tucker's game is
he recognizes that you've got these basement dwellers, and even
though they're not that large in number, this is a
key thing to remember. These are people who have no life.
In fact, they hate their life, and they will spend
eight hours, usually in the middle of the night on
X blasting everybody telling me to go back to India,
attacking my son in law. They live for this kind
of stuff, and because they are, they basically never get
off social media. Their influence appears greatly magnified. But I
think Tucker is trying to create his own, you know,
almost to his own little army, if you will. Private
army is little militia, social media militia of these guys
to sort of terrorize the rest of us and beat
the Republican Party into submission to Tucker's own ideology.
Speaker 2: Do you talk about social media and like I and
how these people are amplified because of social media and
through social medi I don't like. I don't even think
that Tucker votes Republican. I know flent Day Shirtley doesn't.
Obviously with all the stuff that you said, he doesn't
he's not a conservative, he's not a Republican. And we
pay attention to all of this stuff, right, but what
about like Jane and Joe Q taxpayer, Like, do you
think that they give half a crap about this one
days guy, or about Tucker over that matter, or Candice
or any of those people, Like what do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean? I always laugh when I see people on
social media go, you know, the base of the Republican
Party is really upset. That's not the base. The base
of the Republican Party is the forty five percent of
Americans who vote for any Republican candidate with an R
after his or her name. And now, yes, Trump has
to go from forty five to fifty one, and that
means he's got to add some you know, blacks, He's
got to add some Latinos in the Rio Grande Valley.
He's got to find some independent voters, working class voters
who are outside the traditional coalition. But even none of
those people are the They are the additions to the
base that get you to the finish line. So my
concern is not so much that the ordinary Republican cares
about any of this, but that the Democrats will be
able to use this and put a millstone around our neck.
I think the game that Tucker's playing is not whether
he votes Republican. I don't think he cares about that.
I think what he's trying to do is to cow JD.
Vance into submission. Tucker already has an in with Vance.
His son works for Vance. He thinks Vance is in
his back pocket. He thinks Vance owes him because he
Tucker put Vance into the Senate. So I think Tucker's
given up on Trump, but he's betting that the future
of the Republican Party belongs to him because he controls JD. Vans.
Now I'm not saying he does control JD. Vance. I
think JD. Vans is a really smart guy. I've had
him on my podcast a couple of times. Obviously, Jadie
Vans as an Indian wife and brown kids, so Jdvans
is not going to go full Groyper on us. But
that being said, I think this is the game that
Tucker is playing. It's a very malevolent game, and it
has serious consequences. So we are right to be all
in on this. But I also think we need to
recognize that to some degree, every time a Mark Levin
or Ben Shapiro comes in and talks about how much
Israel is doing for the United States. It kind of
plays into the hands of the Tuckers and Nick Fuente,
who go, yeah, well, look, I mean this is all
Israel first. The three of us on this panel are
quite emphatically America first, and I think it's important that
we frame our arguments inside of that. Inside of that, lady,
I mean.
Speaker 1: That was actually going to be One of my questions
for you is specifically about JD. Vance because at his
appearance at the OSU Turning Point event, for example, it
did seem like some of the audience members were groper
infiltrators right the way that they were framing their questions,
and then even to the extent that he was tactful
and diplomatic in the way that he responded, it raised
red flags for a lot of people about JD and
whether he would be tough enough to really push back
on that groyper phenomenon. Do you I mean, because you
know him, and I mean he's going to get a
lot of pressure because of Tucker and because of now
you know Nick and being platformed by Tucker, will he
be able to push back?
Speaker 3: I sense that this is what JD is wrestling with.
I think JD knows that a lot of these young
people have they have this kind of view that the
American dream has eluded them, and they have the view
that these elites in the deep state. Remember this is
some of the stuff we've been telling them too, right,
that you've got these sort of orchestrated powers hidden deep
inside the bowels of the government. So the pipe Piper
is like Tucker and Candace and so on have come
into this story and in a way they have added
one sort of added element. And guess what. This whole
entire system is being puppeteered by the elite of the elites,
namely that's the Jews. So the Jews are the master
key to understanding the police state, the deep state, the
UNI Party. So you can see why for a lot
of young people they are like, oh wow, well this
is amazing. We didn't know this. So I think JD
knows that this is where this is coming from. And
it is in an era after COVID and the lies
of Fauci and the lies of the FBI and the
propaganda of the professors. These young people are not entirely
bad people at all they have fallen for this, And
I don't really blame them so much as I blame
the pied pipers who are leading them to the precipice.
So I think JD's challengees and my challenge in yours,
all of ours, is how do we lead them away
from the precipice instead of to the precipice? And I
think that's the way we need to look at this
because for JD just to denounce them and denounce the
Groypers and so on in some ways is to play
into the hands of a of a Tucker or Nick Falantes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in meantime, we got, you know, a guy
in New York City that's an Islamo commy that's about
could very well win takeover. And then I and that's
happening all over the country, and there's they don't seem
to be concerned about that. We're concerned about that.
Speaker 3: We're concerned about it because Mom, Donnie is the walking
embodiment of the Red Green Alliance, right, my wife calls him,
and it is a walking Islamic human victory arch which
over New York City. Because we know that Islamic armies
historically have built these victory arches in places like Istanbulds,
a big one of course in Jerusalem called the Dome
of the Rock. So yes, if Mam Donnie wins, as
he's likely too, this is going to be a model
for all blue cities. We're going to see this pushed
and also in Red states, we're going to see some
places like Houston and you're yallos, So this is a
real threat. Now you have to ask yourself if a
guy like Tucker is well meaning, right, what unites the
Red Green Alliance? They're not the same group. They don't
want to live in each other's worlds. They are united
by common hatred of the Jews and Israel on the
one hand, and the principles well the Christians and the
principles of America and the West on the other. So
it doesn't it make common sense for the Jews and
the Christians, America and Israel to come closer together to
fight this threat. It's not this right. So if anybody
is trying to drive a big wedge between Jews and Christians,
a big wedge between America and Israel, that can't be
coming from a good place. And I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like who is it? Like who That's
the thing that people will be like, you're getting seven thousand.
You know, you've been getting on your I'm sure on
your page. You're like every single post you make that
has to do with any of this stuff, people are
like seven thousand, seven thousand, and you're like, oh my god,
I can't, like we would be so richly.
Speaker 3: But I mean the same could be said for.
Speaker 2: The other side, right, like it's something.
Speaker 3: Really important for us to do what we're doing. And
I say this because we're coming at it from the
Christian angle. Yeah, you know, all their charges against us
don't work. Now you're so obsessed with Israel. Well, i've been.
I've had a career of thirty years. I've actually never
mentioned Israel for twenty nine and a half of them.
I'm not in the book. I've never made a movie
about Israel. I went to Israel for the first time
like two and a half years ago. So so as
a result, they are more determined than ever to show
that we must have some ulterior motive, and they're flailing
trying to show what that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now it's interesting to see what's happening with
the phrase woke right, because now we are being accused
of being the woke right when we are no such thing.
It's actually the people that were pushing back against the
hardest that we believe are the horseshoe equivalent of the
woke left, and that includes the Tuckers of the world,
who are It's amazing to me to see that phrase
get so misused and then the whole Christ is King
phrase getting so in.
Speaker 3: A different way.
Speaker 1: And we asked groc the other day, like when did
this start becoming such a thing on X And it
was literally right when Candice used it in that way
that she did, to be like a dig at Ben Shapiro.
And now it's just like everybody is piled on and
they're all saying it. And some of the people that
have Christ as King and their bios are the most vitriolic,
the worst, most vulgar of all of the so called
Christians that are coming after us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the absolutely worst.
Speaker 3: This is why my film is called The Dragon's Prophecy
because the word dragon refers to the devil. Now it
is just downright devilish. So as we say diabolical, to
figure out a ruse in which you can actually use
the name of Christ against the Christians who separate them
from the Jews, right because this from Lucifer comes Lucifer,
whose name means light. And you see a deception right there.
The art here is not to have evil be explicit,
but to come disguised, not only in the name of good,
but the greatest good. And what could be a greater
good than Christ as King, which under normal circumstances all
three of us would absolutely affirm an echo. So that's
what makes the whole thing kind of insidious. I do
think the good news is that with Tucker, he is
actually going off the deep end, and I think he's
going to implode. Not only does he have a passionate
defense of Maduro, the narco terrorist socialist regime of Venezuela.
And he's doing this right at a time when Venezuela,
when Qatar is deploying massive resources to lobby Trump not
to do anything to overthrow Maduro. It's like the timing
couldn't be more perfect for Tucker. But more lately, in
his newsletter, he has a thing now where he says,
you know, the Christians are being slaughtered in Nigeria, And
I was expecting Tucker to say, you know, and this
is terrible and it needs to be stopped. He pivots
straight to Israel. He goes, basically, Israel is kind of
doing the same thing. And he goes, but yet we
won't call it out. Well, is Israel burned hundreds of
churches or thousands, as Israel murdered thousands of Christians deliberation,
as these Islamic radicals. So this is becoming so over
the top and so transparent that I think the vast mainstream,
I mean already by enlarge, the mainstream of the Republican
Party has I think we should feel proud of this
that while the left has allowed anti Semitism to seep
into that party really unchecked, it's not going unchecked on
the Republican side. Even the Heritage Foundation, which thought it
could be sort of a little too clever here by
pretending like all of this is not about just canceling Tucker. No,
it's not about canceling Tucker. In fact, to my knowledge,
no one has even called for a boycott of Tucker's advertiser, right,
not a single conservative has called for that. So he
has a huge platform. He'll continue to have a huge platform.
The only question is do are we endorsing the ideas
that are coming out from that platform. Unfortunately, heritage has
sort of gone. It put itself into a hole, and
instead of getting out, Kevin Roberts appears to be like
looking for shovels to dig himself in deeper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jamaic of Tucker's apology or apology, I should
use air quotes around that.
Speaker 3: Well, this is what I call my new phrase for
this and applies to Candace also, replacement ideology. It's not
replacement theology, it's replacement ideology. Here's what I mean. Candace
will float some outrageous theory eight days later has proven
to be absolutely preposterous. She never apologizes a backtrack, she
replaces it with another one and going in the expectation
that people will never figure out that there's no end
to the stupidity. Now with Tucker, he apologizes for calling
the Christian Zionists the people he hates the most, and
he goes essentially what he does is he apologizes while
replacing his old libel with a new one, because he goes,
what I was really thinking about is all these Christian
Zionists who are cheering while Israel is bombing churches and
killing all these civilians. Well, we weren't cheering about that
as far as I know. There was one case where
there was an accidental bombing of a church. The government
of Israel apologizes immediately, So there is no deliberate targeting
of Christians or churches or any of that. So again, Tucker,
what he's doing is he's pulling back, beating a tactical
retreat while advancing on another front, and putting out a
kind of a new slander or a new libel, hoping
that his apology will be remembered, but people won't focus
on the next kind of poison pill that he's injecting
into the public square. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you made a great point. We should be
positive about the fact that at least there are those
of us out here on the right that are fighting
this nonsense.
Speaker 3: We're fighting it.
Speaker 2: It's just that it's weird to maybe because it's not
a lot of the younger people, which goes back to
again your whole point of I just think that some
of these kids, i'd say kids, because they are kids
to us. You know, we're older, We've been doing this
a long time, and I think a lot of them
they either don't know, they haven't been taught the right things,
or they're just they're easily swayed because they forget they
haven't lived some of the history that we've lived.
Speaker 3: Well, notice that that even the young people do not
defend Tucker on substance right. I don't see young people saying, well,
Tucker's right, cherry law isn't that bad because it does
bring law and order. True, you might see some people
on the street missing an arm or missing a leg,
but they're not going to be robbing any stores anytime soon,
are they. I mean, you hear me say that, but
you don't hear a lot of young people say that,
or they don't come to his defense on Venezuela, or
they don't say Tucker's right. You know, Hamas has been
long called a terrorist group. They're not really a terrorist group.
They're a political group, kind of like the literal party.
No one actually defends anything Tucker says, because I think
that the way young people look at it is that
these things are not really said to be taken substantively.
There are a certain type of a wink wink to
an audience. They are a form of communication in which
the substance itself is irrelevant. So again we sort of
jump on it and do a substance of critique of Tucker.
But notice that the other thing is Tucker himself never
defends any of it. Tucker will never say, I'm going
to give you let's look at World War two. I'm
going to give you some really good reasons why we
should have allied with Hitler in the first place. You'll
never do that. He'll put it out there, he'll scratch
his head, interesting idea, you know that's been suppressed for decades,
but he'll never actually argue the case. And this is,
by the way, why Tucker will never have a truly
intelligent interlock leader on his podcast. He's terrified to do that.
He'll never have Victor Davis Hanson. He'll never have me,
because we will expose him as a fool in ninety
seconds and he can't afford that. He can't afford that
to show that to his adoring audience, which, as I say,
is looking to him not so much to say anything,
but to do the kind of malevolence that he is
now become. That is now kind of his moo. Yeah, well,
and you you do get out there.
Speaker 1: I saw that you are planning to debate Dave Smith
on is it going to be on his show?
Speaker 3: Show It's going to be like one hand clapping. I mean, seriously,
I'm not happy to do it because I think a
lot of these guys fancy themselves. You know, their idea
of being an expert is having listened to two podcasts,
They're like, let me tell you what Christianity really means, Danesh,
the New Testament of the Old really don't belong together.
The early Christians had it all wrong. I can't wait show.
It hasn't been hasn't been set up. I just want
to make sure I'm not being set up for an
ambush or something. Is a real debate, and of course
the real debate needs to happen, I think with Tucker
because the other characters are all part of the Tucker
side show, you know. I mean, nobody wants to really
debate Candice, right, I mean it's right.
Speaker 1: She wanted us to debate her, and she tried.
Speaker 3: Crazy. Yeah, I don't want to be anywhere near you. Yeah,
that's not really what we do.
Speaker 2: But we also we're just not like we're not going
to hang out and talk to Holocaust deniers. Thank you,
have a good day to.
Speaker 3: Me look again. Though again, it's not even so much
that the appeal of Candace, I think is the appeal
of like midget bowling. Right, It's sort of like it's
a little bit distasteful, but you can't look away from it,
right there, just like going down and hitting the pins
and it's like, what what did I just see? You know? So,
so a lot of it is that people are mesmerized
by what Candace is doing because of its sheer, sort
of preposterous audacity. It's it's unknownally entertaining. But entertainment, of course,
of this low quality, I mean, of this bizarre quality
is really not the same as political discourse.
Speaker 1: That is true, But we do know good entertainment, and
that includes your new movie, The Dragon's Prophecy.
Speaker 3: Tell people how they can see it, Well, it's in
streaming and DVD. Go to the Dragons Plural Prophecy film.
Forget the film The Dragon's Prophecy film dot com. You
can stream it on a bunch of platforms and also
by DVDs, which are pretty good stocking stuffers for Christmas. Now, yes,
the film covers all the stuff we've just been talking about.
Tucker's in the film, I take Tucker's question to Ted Cruz,
I pose it to Ned and Yahoo. So the film
I think works beautifully because it's timely and yet it's
quite timeless. It steps back and it gives you the
larger biblical perspective, not only going back three thousand years,
but projecting forward into at least hints of biblical prophecy.
Where's it going?
Speaker 2: It's a must see.
Speaker 1: We need to do this more often. Denash, it's always, always,
always great to talk to you. Thank you so much
for being with us anytime.
Speaker 3: Guys,