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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.

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So excited it's been too long since we have talked

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to our bff, Denesh de Susa, who's got a new

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film out, The Dragons Prophecy, all about the Jews, the Palestinians,

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the Land that is fought over. Definitely add it to

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your must watch list. In the meantime, Denesh has been

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very vocal, much like we have, about this crazy rift

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that is currently taking place on the right between normal

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conservatives who have not lost sight of our conservative values

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and the insane gropers and the people like Tucker Carlson

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who are mainstreaming them. So Denesh, to just kick off

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this conversation, we want to know if you've ever gotten

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the kind of vitriol in your career like the kind

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that the gropers are currently dishing out, because for us,

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it is all.

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Speaker 2: It's a whole new level, NonStop, yeah, NonStop, very abusive.

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Speaker 3: The attitude appears to be that we can't possibly believe

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the things we do. We must be getting paid, or

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we must be People have actually tried to ransack my

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background to find out if I'm a secret jewunix it

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as this is my favorite. I'm a Hindu. Hindu meets you.

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I'm a Hindu. I love this. Yeah, this is I

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can do a comedy called the Hinju. It'd probably be

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a pretty good movie. So no, the But look, I

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want to say, you know, I debated Fuentes, as you

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guys probably know, I've got a little bit of an

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up close look at some of these characters. I do

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want to say, I think there's something a little strange

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going on here. And here's what I mean. These guys

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like Fuentes will go, you know, Team Hitler. They love

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this sort of I'm a Nazi and we are horrified

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appropriately and we go, oh my god. But the more

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I look at it more closely, the more I realize

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Nick Fouentees isn't actually a Nazi. He isn't actually Team Hitler.

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And his followers know this. This is an inside joke

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between Nick and his followers. In other words, he's a

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Nazi poser. Nazism is his shtick. Now, you and I

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can't get that because it's hard for us to believe

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why somebody would be an aspiring Nazi, Like, why would

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you want to do that?

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Speaker 4: And it's not funny, Yeah right, it is not funny,

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but it is the ultimate middle finger. It's the ultimate

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fu it is the ultimate rebel stance. And that is

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really what Nick is going for. I mean the reason

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you know, he's not a Nazi, he's the ultimate pansy.

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I mean, he's a complete beta male. He's got this

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high pitched, whiny voice. So the idea that he would

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actually do any of the things that Hitler did, no way.

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Speaker 3: You know, Hitler took on the brown Shirts and had

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the head of the brown Shirts. This tough guy executed

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Nick basically, you know, puts on his little narrow tie

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and his navy blazer. You know, he is he is

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doing a certain type of performance artistry. Now it's is

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it malevolent, yes? Is he an anti Semite? Yes, But

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I also think that some of this rhetoric that causes

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the Ben Shapiras of the world to hit the ceiling.

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We have to recognize that this is a game that

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he is playing with his followers who who like this

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kind of a sick game. Many of them are basement dwellers.

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They're kind of nihilistic. They think that there's an establishment

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that runs both parties and that elites have put everybody

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at the top of the list and they are at

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the bottom of the list. So this is the These

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are the fumes that give rise to this kind of

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performance politics. So do you think end Yeah, yeah, what

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is the point? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that he is just some sort of

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an agent to so discord and like chaos and the

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Republican Party? Do you think that's what his goal is?

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What do you think the goal is?

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Speaker 3: I think his goal is to use a certain type

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of dark energy, if I can put it that way.

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Nick is talented in this by the way. He knows

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how to skirt the edge right and essentially what he's

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doing is he's trying to burn it all down, which

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is what all nihilists try to do. Their idea is

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not that no one should be in charge, but what

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they want to do is they want to wreck the

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existing system. And they realize that to do that it's

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not going to be done in an organized manner. It's

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ultimately you're setting It's a kind of pyromania. You sort

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of politically try to set fire to everything, hoping that

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out of the ashes your side will emerge stronger than

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it is now. And I think that's the game that

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Nick is playing. Tucker is playing a little bit of

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a different game than Nick. I think Tucker's game is

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he recognizes that you've got these basement dwellers, and even

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though they're not that large in number, this is a

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key thing to remember. These are people who have no life.

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In fact, they hate their life, and they will spend

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eight hours, usually in the middle of the night on

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X blasting everybody telling me to go back to India,

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attacking my son in law. They live for this kind

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of stuff, and because they are, they basically never get

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off social media. Their influence appears greatly magnified. But I

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think Tucker is trying to create his own, you know,

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almost to his own little army, if you will. Private

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army is little militia, social media militia of these guys

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to sort of terrorize the rest of us and beat

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the Republican Party into submission to Tucker's own ideology.

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Speaker 2: Do you talk about social media and like I and

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how these people are amplified because of social media and

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through social medi I don't like. I don't even think

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that Tucker votes Republican. I know flent Day Shirtley doesn't.

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he's not a conservative, he's not a Republican. And we

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pay attention to all of this stuff, right, but what

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about like Jane and Joe Q taxpayer, Like, do you

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think that they give half a crap about this one

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days guy, or about Tucker over that matter, or Candice

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or any of those people, Like what do you think?

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Speaker 3: I mean? I always laugh when I see people on

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social media go, you know, the base of the Republican

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Party is really upset. That's not the base. The base

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of the Republican Party is the forty five percent of

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Americans who vote for any Republican candidate with an R

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after his or her name. And now, yes, Trump has

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to go from forty five to fifty one, and that

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means he's got to add some you know, blacks, He's

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got to add some Latinos in the Rio Grande Valley.

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He's got to find some independent voters, working class voters

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who are outside the traditional coalition. But even none of

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those people are the They are the additions to the

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base that get you to the finish line. So my

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concern is not so much that the ordinary Republican cares

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about any of this, but that the Democrats will be

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able to use this and put a millstone around our neck.

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I think the game that Tucker's playing is not whether

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he votes Republican. I don't think he cares about that.

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I think what he's trying to do is to cow JD.

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Vance into submission. Tucker already has an in with Vance.

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His son works for Vance. He thinks Vance is in

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his back pocket. He thinks Vance owes him because he

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Tucker put Vance into the Senate. So I think Tucker's

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given up on Trump, but he's betting that the future

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of the Republican Party belongs to him because he controls JD. Vans.

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Now I'm not saying he does control JD. Vance. I

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think JD. Vans is a really smart guy. I've had

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him on my podcast a couple of times. Obviously, Jadie

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Vans as an Indian wife and brown kids, so Jdvans

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is not going to go full Groyper on us. But

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that being said, I think this is the game that

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Tucker is playing. It's a very malevolent game, and it

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has serious consequences. So we are right to be all

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in on this. But I also think we need to

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recognize that to some degree, every time a Mark Levin

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or Ben Shapiro comes in and talks about how much

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Israel is doing for the United States. It kind of

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plays into the hands of the Tuckers and Nick Fuente,

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who go, yeah, well, look, I mean this is all

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Israel first. The three of us on this panel are

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quite emphatically America first, and I think it's important that

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we frame our arguments inside of that. Inside of that, lady,

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Speaker 1: That was actually going to be One of my questions

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for you is specifically about JD. Vance because at his

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appearance at the OSU Turning Point event, for example, it

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did seem like some of the audience members were groper

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infiltrators right the way that they were framing their questions,

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and then even to the extent that he was tactful

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and diplomatic in the way that he responded, it raised

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red flags for a lot of people about JD and

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whether he would be tough enough to really push back

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on that groyper phenomenon. Do you I mean, because you

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know him, and I mean he's going to get a

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lot of pressure because of Tucker and because of now

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you know Nick and being platformed by Tucker, will he

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be able to push back?

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Speaker 3: I sense that this is what JD is wrestling with.

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I think JD knows that a lot of these young

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people have they have this kind of view that the

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American dream has eluded them, and they have the view

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that these elites in the deep state. Remember this is

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some of the stuff we've been telling them too, right,

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that you've got these sort of orchestrated powers hidden deep

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inside the bowels of the government. So the pipe Piper

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is like Tucker and Candace and so on have come

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into this story and in a way they have added

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one sort of added element. And guess what. This whole

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entire system is being puppeteered by the elite of the elites,

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namely that's the Jews. So the Jews are the master

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key to understanding the police state, the deep state, the

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UNI Party. So you can see why for a lot

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of young people they are like, oh wow, well this

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is amazing. We didn't know this. So I think JD

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knows that this is where this is coming from. And

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it is in an era after COVID and the lies

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of Fauci and the lies of the FBI and the

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propaganda of the professors. These young people are not entirely

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bad people at all they have fallen for this, And

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I don't really blame them so much as I blame

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the pied pipers who are leading them to the precipice.

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So I think JD's challengees and my challenge in yours,

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all of ours, is how do we lead them away

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from the precipice instead of to the precipice? And I

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think that's the way we need to look at this

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because for JD just to denounce them and denounce the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in meantime, we got, you know, a guy

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in New York City that's an Islamo commy that's about

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could very well win takeover. And then I and that's

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happening all over the country, and there's they don't seem

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to be concerned about that. We're concerned about that.

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Speaker 3: We're concerned about it because Mom, Donnie is the walking

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embodiment of the Red Green Alliance, right, my wife calls him,

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and it is a walking Islamic human victory arch which

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over New York City. Because we know that Islamic armies

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historically have built these victory arches in places like Istanbulds,

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a big one of course in Jerusalem called the Dome

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of the Rock. So yes, if Mam Donnie wins, as

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he's likely too, this is going to be a model

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for all blue cities. We're going to see this pushed

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and also in Red states, we're going to see some

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places like Houston and you're yallos, So this is a

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real threat. Now you have to ask yourself if a

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guy like Tucker is well meaning, right, what unites the

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Red Green Alliance? They're not the same group. They don't

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want to live in each other's worlds. They are united

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by common hatred of the Jews and Israel on the

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one hand, and the principles well the Christians and the

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principles of America and the West on the other. So

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it doesn't it make common sense for the Jews and

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the Christians, America and Israel to come closer together to

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fight this threat. It's not this right. So if anybody

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is trying to drive a big wedge between Jews and Christians,

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a big wedge between America and Israel, that can't be

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coming from a good place. And I don't think it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like who is it? Like who That's

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the thing that people will be like, you're getting seven thousand.

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your page. You're like every single post you make that

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has to do with any of this stuff, people are

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like seven thousand, seven thousand, and you're like, oh my god,

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I can't, like we would be so richly.

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Speaker 3: But I mean the same could be said for.

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Speaker 2: The other side, right, like it's something.

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Speaker 3: Really important for us to do what we're doing. And

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I say this because we're coming at it from the

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Christian angle. Yeah, you know, all their charges against us

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don't work. Now you're so obsessed with Israel. Well, i've been.

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I've had a career of thirty years. I've actually never

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mentioned Israel for twenty nine and a half of them.

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I'm not in the book. I've never made a movie

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about Israel. I went to Israel for the first time

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like two and a half years ago. So so as

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a result, they are more determined than ever to show

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that we must have some ulterior motive, and they're flailing

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trying to show what that is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now it's interesting to see what's happening with

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the phrase woke right, because now we are being accused

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of being the woke right when we are no such thing.

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It's actually the people that were pushing back against the

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hardest that we believe are the horseshoe equivalent of the

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woke left, and that includes the Tuckers of the world,

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who are It's amazing to me to see that phrase

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get so misused and then the whole Christ is King

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phrase getting so in.

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Speaker 3: A different way.

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Speaker 1: And we asked groc the other day, like when did

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this start becoming such a thing on X And it

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was literally right when Candice used it in that way

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that she did, to be like a dig at Ben Shapiro.

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And now it's just like everybody is piled on and

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they're all saying it. And some of the people that

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have Christ as King and their bios are the most vitriolic,

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the worst, most vulgar of all of the so called

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Christians that are coming after us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the absolutely worst.

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Speaker 3: This is why my film is called The Dragon's Prophecy

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because the word dragon refers to the devil. Now it

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is just downright devilish. So as we say diabolical, to

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figure out a ruse in which you can actually use

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the name of Christ against the Christians who separate them

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from the Jews, right because this from Lucifer comes Lucifer,

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whose name means light. And you see a deception right there.

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The art here is not to have evil be explicit,

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but to come disguised, not only in the name of good,

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but the greatest good. And what could be a greater

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good than Christ as King, which under normal circumstances all

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three of us would absolutely affirm an echo. So that's

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what makes the whole thing kind of insidious. I do

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think the good news is that with Tucker, he is

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actually going off the deep end, and I think he's

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going to implode. Not only does he have a passionate

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defense of Maduro, the narco terrorist socialist regime of Venezuela.

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when Qatar is deploying massive resources to lobby Trump not

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to do anything to overthrow Maduro. It's like the timing

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couldn't be more perfect for Tucker. But more lately, in

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his newsletter, he has a thing now where he says,

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you know, the Christians are being slaughtered in Nigeria, And

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I was expecting Tucker to say, you know, and this

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is terrible and it needs to be stopped. He pivots

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straight to Israel. He goes, basically, Israel is kind of

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doing the same thing. And he goes, but yet we

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won't call it out. Well, is Israel burned hundreds of

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churches or thousands, as Israel murdered thousands of Christians deliberation,

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as these Islamic radicals. So this is becoming so over

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the top and so transparent that I think the vast mainstream,

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that while the left has allowed anti Semitism to seep

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into that party really unchecked, it's not going unchecked on

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the Republican side. Even the Heritage Foundation, which thought it

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could be sort of a little too clever here by

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pretending like all of this is not about just canceling Tucker. No,

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it's not about canceling Tucker. In fact, to my knowledge,

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no one has even called for a boycott of Tucker's advertiser, right,

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not a single conservative has called for that. So he

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has a huge platform. He'll continue to have a huge platform.

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The only question is do are we endorsing the ideas

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that are coming out from that platform. Unfortunately, heritage has

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sort of gone. It put itself into a hole, and

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instead of getting out, Kevin Roberts appears to be like

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looking for shovels to dig himself in deeper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jamaic of Tucker's apology or apology, I should

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use air quotes around that.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is what I call my new phrase for

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this and applies to Candace also, replacement ideology. It's not

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replacement theology, it's replacement ideology. Here's what I mean. Candace

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will float some outrageous theory eight days later has proven

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to be absolutely preposterous. She never apologizes a backtrack, she

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replaces it with another one and going in the expectation

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that people will never figure out that there's no end

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to the stupidity. Now with Tucker, he apologizes for calling

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the Christian Zionists the people he hates the most, and

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he goes essentially what he does is he apologizes while

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replacing his old libel with a new one, because he goes,

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what I was really thinking about is all these Christian

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Zionists who are cheering while Israel is bombing churches and

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killing all these civilians. Well, we weren't cheering about that

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as far as I know. There was one case where

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there was an accidental bombing of a church. The government

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of Israel apologizes immediately, So there is no deliberate targeting

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of Christians or churches or any of that. So again, Tucker,

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what he's doing is he's pulling back, beating a tactical

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retreat while advancing on another front, and putting out a

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kind of a new slander or a new libel, hoping

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that his apology will be remembered, but people won't focus

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on the next kind of poison pill that he's injecting

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into the public square. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think you made a great point. We should be

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positive about the fact that at least there are those

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of us out here on the right that are fighting

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this nonsense.

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Speaker 3: We're fighting it.

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Speaker 2: It's just that it's weird to maybe because it's not

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a lot of the younger people, which goes back to

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again your whole point of I just think that some

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of these kids, i'd say kids, because they are kids

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to us. You know, we're older, We've been doing this

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a long time, and I think a lot of them

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they either don't know, they haven't been taught the right things,

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or they're just they're easily swayed because they forget they

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haven't lived some of the history that we've lived.

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Speaker 3: Well, notice that that even the young people do not

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defend Tucker on substance right. I don't see young people saying, well,

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Tucker's right, cherry law isn't that bad because it does

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bring law and order. True, you might see some people

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on the street missing an arm or missing a leg,

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but they're not going to be robbing any stores anytime soon,

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are they. I mean, you hear me say that, but

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you don't hear a lot of young people say that,

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or they don't come to his defense on Venezuela, or

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they don't say Tucker's right. You know, Hamas has been

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long called a terrorist group. They're not really a terrorist group.

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They're a political group, kind of like the literal party.

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No one actually defends anything Tucker says, because I think

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that the way young people look at it is that

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these things are not really said to be taken substantively.

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There are a certain type of a wink wink to

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an audience. They are a form of communication in which

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the substance itself is irrelevant. So again we sort of

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jump on it and do a substance of critique of Tucker.

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But notice that the other thing is Tucker himself never

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defends any of it. Tucker will never say, I'm going

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to give you let's look at World War two. I'm

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going to give you some really good reasons why we

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should have allied with Hitler in the first place. You'll

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never do that. He'll put it out there, he'll scratch

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his head, interesting idea, you know that's been suppressed for decades,

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but he'll never actually argue the case. And this is,

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by the way, why Tucker will never have a truly

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intelligent interlock leader on his podcast. He's terrified to do that.

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He'll never have Victor Davis Hanson. He'll never have me,

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because we will expose him as a fool in ninety

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seconds and he can't afford that. He can't afford that

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to show that to his adoring audience, which, as I say,

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is looking to him not so much to say anything,

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but to do the kind of malevolence that he is

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now become. That is now kind of his moo. Yeah, well,

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and you you do get out there.

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Speaker 1: I saw that you are planning to debate Dave Smith

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on is it going to be on his show?

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Speaker 3: Show It's going to be like one hand clapping. I mean, seriously,

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I'm not happy to do it because I think a

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lot of these guys fancy themselves. You know, their idea

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of being an expert is having listened to two podcasts,

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They're like, let me tell you what Christianity really means, Danesh,

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the New Testament of the Old really don't belong together.

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The early Christians had it all wrong. I can't wait show.

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It hasn't been hasn't been set up. I just want

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to make sure I'm not being set up for an

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ambush or something. Is a real debate, and of course

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the real debate needs to happen, I think with Tucker

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because the other characters are all part of the Tucker

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side show, you know. I mean, nobody wants to really

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debate Candice, right, I mean it's right.

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Speaker 1: She wanted us to debate her, and she tried.

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Speaker 3: Crazy. Yeah, I don't want to be anywhere near you. Yeah,

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that's not really what we do.

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Speaker 2: But we also we're just not like we're not going

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to hang out and talk to Holocaust deniers. Thank you,

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have a good day to.

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Speaker 3: Me look again. Though again, it's not even so much

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that the appeal of Candace, I think is the appeal

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of like midget bowling. Right, It's sort of like it's

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a little bit distasteful, but you can't look away from it,

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right there, just like going down and hitting the pins

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and it's like, what what did I just see? You know? So,

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so a lot of it is that people are mesmerized

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by what Candace is doing because of its sheer, sort

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of preposterous audacity. It's it's unknownally entertaining. But entertainment, of course,

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of this low quality, I mean, of this bizarre quality

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is really not the same as political discourse.

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Speaker 1: That is true, But we do know good entertainment, and

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that includes your new movie, The Dragon's Prophecy.

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Speaker 3: Tell people how they can see it, Well, it's in

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streaming and DVD. Go to the Dragons Plural Prophecy film.

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Forget the film The Dragon's Prophecy film dot com. You

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can stream it on a bunch of platforms and also

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by DVDs, which are pretty good stocking stuffers for Christmas. Now, yes,

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the film covers all the stuff we've just been talking about.

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Tucker's in the film, I take Tucker's question to Ted Cruz,

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I pose it to Ned and Yahoo. So the film

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I think works beautifully because it's timely and yet it's

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quite timeless. It steps back and it gives you the

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larger biblical perspective, not only going back three thousand years,

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but projecting forward into at least hints of biblical prophecy.

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Where's it going?

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Speaker 2: It's a must see.

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Speaker 1: We need to do this more often. Denash, it's always, always,

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always great to talk to you. Thank you so much

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for being with us anytime.

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Speaker 3: Guys,