1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: It's all behaved with Arden More, this show that teaches 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,199 you how to have harmony in the household with your pets. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,199 Speaker 1: Join Ardna. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: She travels coast to coast to help millions better understand 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,559 why cats and dogs do what they do. Get that 7 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:25,320 leadest scoop on famous faces, they're perfectly pampered pets, and 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,920 who's walking goo and rent him Tinseltown. From famous pet 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,839 experts and best selling authors to television and movie stars. 10 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:34,880 You'll get the latest buzz from Wagging Tongues and tails Garner, 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,719 great pet tips and have a dog on per flying 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,960 fun time. So get ready for the paws and applause 13 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:45,399 as we unleash your oh behave hosts America's pet edutainer 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,240 Arden Moore. 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: Hey, pet pals, Welcome to the Old Behave Show on 16 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,439 Pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Arden Moore. Now we 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,119 are so dogone lucky. That is because our special guest 18 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:03,079 today is one of the top veterinarians in the country 19 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,280 and a great author to boot. She's on a mission 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,560 to help people of all ages, even kids, learn how they, 21 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:16,280 in their own ways, can be possum pet advocates. She's 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,239 here also to talk about her latest must get book. 23 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:25,319 It is called a Dog named six or seven. I 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,319 got you curious as a cat right now, don't I 25 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,040 don't I so at this time, please give pause and 26 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:36,400 applause to doctor Nancy Cave. Welcome, Welcome, doctor Nancy. Thank you. Arden. 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: I'm so so happy to be here. 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: You know, we've been in the pet world, both of 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,719 us a few decades or two or three, and this 30 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:46,599 is our first time that we got to at least 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,159 meet via zoom. But I've always admired who you are 32 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:55,079 and what you do. And humbly, she's not gonna say this, guys, 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,799 but there's some big awards in the veterinary field that 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,319 veterinarians be honored with, and one is the Leo Bustead 35 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:08,400 Companion Animal Veterinarian of the Year. And this one's a 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,039 big one in the Hills Annual Animal Welfare and Humane 37 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:17,280 Ethics Award. So medicine and ethics not a bad double win, 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,199 doctor Nancy, thank you. 39 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:20,039 Speaker 1: That's all you're gonna say. 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 4: I mean, that's a big deal. 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: What's your bloss I mean, you know when they have 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,960 the Emmys and the Oscars that can never get the 43 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:27,240 celebrities off stage. 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,879 Speaker 4: I think it speaks to the fact that I love 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,960 what I do. I have always loved what I do, 46 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:37,360 and of course I love animals. I believe that I 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,199 emerged from the roomb loving animals, and what I found 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,599 after practicing for a few years is what I super 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,319 loved was helping give people peace of mind in terms 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,280 of taking care of their pets. 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,159 Speaker 3: I like that. 52 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 4: I love helping people in that way. 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,759 Speaker 3: Well, you're doing it, and you're doing it very well. Everyone. 54 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,639 We are speaking with doctor Nancy. Kay. We're going to 55 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:05,039 dive into her new book. 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:05,759 Speaker 4: You've got to get. 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: It's called a Dog Name six or seven. We're gonna 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,520 let you know a little bit by what that all means. 59 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,000 Like you all know the drill. We gotta take a 60 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,960 quick break, so sid stay, we'll be right back. 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,759 Speaker 1: Time for a pause. 62 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: Four very ones, actually sit and stay all behave. 63 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:28,439 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 4: Take a bite out of your competition. 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 5: Advertise your business with an ad in Pet Life radio 66 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,639 podcasts and radio shows. There is no other pet related 67 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:43,879 media that is as large and reaches more pet parents 68 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:47,039 and pet lovers than pet Life Radio, with over seven 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,039 million monthly listeners. 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All behavior 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,439 is back with more tail wagging ways to achieve harmony 77 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:25,480 of the household. 78 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:25,759 Speaker 1: With your pets. 79 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,959 Speaker 2: Now back to your fetching host, America's pet ed You 80 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:30,439 Tayner Ardenmore. 81 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the old Behave show on Petlife Radio. 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,079 I'm your host, Ardenmore. Our special guest is a great gal. 83 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:40,120 Her name is doctor Nancy Kay. She is a vetner 84 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:42,360 and yet put that DVM at the end of her name. 85 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,959 But she also has written that one, not two, but 86 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:48,959 three books maybe even more, and her I guess your 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,439 heartbeats dog, cat and other critters, right. 88 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,879 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, for sure. And I'm pretty passionate about horses too. 89 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, so she is a nay sayer 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,079 in a good way. Oh that's bad. That's bad. What 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,279 I love and why I'm so glad you're on our 92 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:07,680 show today. We could talk for hours about all the 93 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,519 things that you've done, but we need to reach what's 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,560 going on, and that is you are here to help 95 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,560 us shine a light on puppy Mills. I don't like 96 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:21,040 that Puppy Mills, and you did it in a very 97 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:25,000 creative way. And the book A Dog Named six forty 98 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,439 seven is actually a novel, and I'm going to have 99 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,920 her fill in the blanks, but you brought out your 100 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:32,959 inner pre teen in this. I mean, I'm reading the 101 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,560 dialogue between the main characters Mia and Cassie, and I'm like, 102 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,279 doctor Nancy, did you just do a Freaky Friday with 103 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:42,279 fur Ah? 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 4: That's funny, That's super funny. My first exposure to puppy 105 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,519 Mills was as a practicing veterinarian, and I would see 106 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:56,480 from time to time puppies that were recently purchased and 107 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,040 brought in horribly sick with an insectious disease or a 108 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,600 congenital disease, which means a birth defect, and the puppy 109 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,519 just came into the people's home, they picked it up 110 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,240 at the airport, or they were met with the puppy 111 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:16,600 halfway to where the kimel is. And oftentimes what these 112 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,600 puppies have isn't fixable, or if it is fixable, it's 113 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,000 going to be at great expense. And the people are devastated. 114 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:29,720 And it turns out that they and they retrospectively figured 115 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,120 out that they purchased their puppy from a puppy mill, 116 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,240 which is a large scale commercial breeding facility. I would 117 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,079 call it factory farming of puppies because what it really 118 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:45,319 is is profit is prioritized over the wellbeing, physical and 119 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:47,519 psychological wellbeing of the dogs. 120 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,319 Speaker 3: You gave some numbers about how many puppies are sold 121 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,920 every year and about how many puppy mills are there 122 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,560 in the country. 123 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,759 Speaker 4: There's estimated to be and it's an estimate because a 124 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,680 lot of puppy mills are not licensed in the United 125 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,519 States through the USDA. So it's estimated that there are 126 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:09,040 ten thousand puppy mills scattered across the United States. Arden. 127 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,160 Can you guess which state has the most dense population 128 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:13,000 of puppy mills? 129 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: Well, I read your books, so I know. So I'm 130 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,600 going to let you just show me misstery. It's miss A. 131 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:26,079 Speaker 4: And these puppy mills produce approximately twenty six million puppies 132 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,120 a year. Oh my gosh, either go to pet stores 133 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:33,120 across the country. About ninety five percent of pupp cut 134 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,160 store puppies are from puppy mills, and they're also sold online. 135 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:40,920 And this really makes the task of avoiding a puppy 136 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,120 mil purchase so simple. There's only two things you have 137 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,000 to do. One never purchase a puppy from a pet 138 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,720 store and two, never purchase a puppy online without going 139 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:55,879 to the kennel, touring the kennel, and meeting the mama dog. 140 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,319 Most puppy mill beaders won't let you come anywhere near 141 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,759 their facility because they have too much to hide. So 142 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,040 if you can't go visit the kennel, forget about it. 143 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,000 No matter how great the websites, let's see, because a 144 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,720 lot of puppy peoples have websites that are complete shams. 145 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:17,240 The problem is is that people fall in love with 146 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:21,959 a photo of a puppy online and they keep going 147 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,759 with it. And I say, if you go onto a 148 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,879 breeder's website and there are dozens of puppies for sale. 149 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:34,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's jump in. Because there are reputable dog breeders 150 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,879 out with veterinarians and veterinary geneticists and others to maintain 151 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,320 the health of a line. And I think there's like 152 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,039 over two hundred recognized dog breeds by the American Kennel Club, 153 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:48,960 So I think you're making a clear distinction, right. 154 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:54,279 Speaker 4: Absolutely, A responsible or a reputable breeder is someone who 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,600 really wants to enhance the quality of the breed. They're 156 00:08:57,639 --> 00:09:00,399 not going to take their show poodle and mix it 157 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,000 up with a Bernise Mountain dog. They're not going to 158 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,240 do that. And they will insist that you come to 159 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,639 their kennel because guess what, they have more questions for 160 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:12,399 you than you have for them. And they may not 161 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,559 have a puppies available. They may breed only two litters 162 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,559 a year, in which case he'll probably refer you to 163 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:21,960 another responsible breeder or say get on the waiting list 164 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,039 for next year. So it's really so simple. Can you 165 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:28,600 visit the kennel. If the answered yes, go visit. If 166 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:32,399 the answer is no, please walk away. Because this is 167 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,240 a matter of supply and demand, and if we back 168 00:09:36,279 --> 00:09:39,440 off in the demand department, guess what, Couppy Miller's are 169 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,720 going to go out of business. That's right, that's exactly right. 170 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: So instead of being a like a preachy tone that 171 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:49,919 you could have done in a blog or put in 172 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,120 a book, you got this creative juice in your brain 173 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,960 and said, I'm going to channel my inner pre team 174 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,519 and get the message out through a character named Mia 175 00:09:59,759 --> 00:10:02,279 in a book called a dog named six four seven. 176 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:06,120 When did that all happen? Were you sipping on a latte? 177 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:06,879 What was going on? 178 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 4: No? No, I spent a couple of years getting to 179 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:13,879 that point. Here's why I wrote the book. I've been 180 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,360 disillusioned what adult generations have done in terms of stop 181 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,799 eating puppy mills. I just am not a patient person, 182 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:24,399 and I don't want to spend a year or two 183 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:28,120 on legislation that's going to increase cage size by two inches. 184 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,519 I remember being very inspired by Greta Chemberg. 185 00:10:32,039 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and tell the two people on the planet 186 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:36,440 who she is that don't know her. 187 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 4: She is no longer a kid, but she was a 188 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,000 kid when she became a very vocal, well known climate 189 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,440 activist and she I was so impressed by her, and 190 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:49,279 I thought, well, this is it. We need to take 191 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,600 the puppy mill lessons to kids, because middle grade kids. 192 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,360 They're just developing this burgeoning awareness of social issues out 193 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,399 in the world, kind of looking outside of themselves and 194 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:07,200 their friends and sight. Oh, they're recognizing social issues. So, 195 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,440 you know, Arden, as you know, I'm a nonfiction writer 196 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,840 for the most part, my previous books have been nonfiction. 197 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: Well wait, mitute, this is where we you're gonna love me. 198 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Author to author everybody ready, I haven't write in my 199 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,600 notes before that. She did a book which is a 200 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,080 great book. It's called Speaking for Spot and it was 201 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,440 an Amazon is an Amazon bestseller. Lots of winds, probably 202 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,879 not a new car, but you've got lots of things 203 00:11:32,919 --> 00:11:37,399 to dust, and then your dog's best health. And did 204 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:37,960 I get it right? 205 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:43,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a dozen reasonable things to expect from your vet. Yeah. 206 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: Okay, So get back to this. So in preteen years, 207 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,360 they're they're kind of getting ready to not be a 208 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:53,039 look at myself. They're kind of looking now at the 209 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:54,480 world exactly. 210 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: So I sat down and wrote a nonfiction book about 211 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,559 puppy mills for middle grays. 212 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,759 Speaker 3: Wow, that's not brilliant. 213 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,519 Speaker 4: But I did about three or four iterations, done a 214 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,559 lot of time on it, and at the end of 215 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:12,279 each iteration, I said, man, if I were a middle grader, 216 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,600 there's no way I would read this book. 217 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:16,039 Speaker 1: So what'd you do? 218 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: I pivoted, and I decided I need to write fiction. 219 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,399 And I wrote some fiction when I was in high school. 220 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:28,440 As you might imagine, writing fiction is a big learning curve, yes, 221 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,480 and I literally spent years learning the craft of writing fiction. 222 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:39,159 I took classes, I did seminars I have been participating 223 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,679 for years and two writers critique groups who write children's fiction. 224 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:48,840 And I went through several revisions of my fiction, the 225 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,879 novel A Dog named six four seven, and I would 226 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,759 have an editor look and tell me it really needs 227 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:00,279 major revisions. And each time I just put the book 228 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,000 a side and felt like I can't do this, And 229 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,679 then I would recall the look on a particular Docson's face. 230 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,759 I went undercover into Puppy Mills and also attended her 231 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:16,919 dog auction undercover. It took everything in my power to 232 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,440 wipe any emotion off my face. And I remember in 233 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,720 one Puppy Mill, one Docson looked at me the way 234 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:29,240 dog six four seven looked at Mia. This soul to 235 00:13:29,399 --> 00:13:35,639 soul helped me kind of communication, and I would picture 236 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,720 that dog and I just give it just got to 237 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:40,279 chill up my spine. I do every time, and then 238 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,919 I would go back to work on the novel. 239 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, Wow, doctor Nancy, how 240 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:49,799 did you get to be undercover at a puppy mail first? 241 00:13:49,919 --> 00:13:52,360 If you're able to share, I love what you did 242 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,840 because I learned, if your mother tells you she loves you, 243 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,279 check it out. So you got to see it firsthand. 244 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 4: I felt like I didn't have credibility if I didn't 245 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:02,240 see it firsthand. 246 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,279 Speaker 3: So how did you do it? 247 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: I happened to meet a particular person whose name will 248 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:08,039 not be named. 249 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: Don't worry, we don't need a divorce. 250 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 4: No, and she goes into puppy emails. I'm not even 251 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,559 going to go further than that. 252 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: No, No, And I respect that, But that's a gutsy 253 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:20,480 broad move on your part, doctor Nancy, to say I'm 254 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,519 gonna I'm going to do this. 255 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:25,159 Speaker 4: I had to do it. I needed street cred and 256 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,960 I felt about doing that. I didn't have street cred, okay, 257 00:14:29,159 --> 00:14:31,720 And it was painful, Arden, let me tell you that 258 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:34,799 it was painful. And I would go back out to 259 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:37,960 the van and cry, and then white white hears and 260 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:38,960 go to the next fem. 261 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:41,759 Speaker 3: You know you're a physician for pets and you probably 262 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:44,600 wanted to immediately help a pet that was not doing 263 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,080 well so that but you had to think of the 264 00:14:47,159 --> 00:14:49,000 greater help, right right. 265 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:52,759 Speaker 4: I mean, these are animals that spent their entire lives 266 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:56,639 in a cage with wire mesh floors, and they have 267 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,720 in some automatic feeders, automatic water, so nobody ever even. 268 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:02,799 Speaker 3: Has touches up. 269 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:04,159 Speaker 4: Nobody touches them. 270 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,559 Speaker 3: Hey, everyone, this is a serious topic and we need 271 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,000 to have this out there, and we're gonna dive in 272 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,600 more after we take this quick break, So sit stay, 273 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:14,519 we'll be right. 274 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:20,679 Speaker 2: Back time for a walk on the red carpet, of course, 275 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:24,919 all behave. We'll be backing up lash right after these messages. 276 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,759 Speaker 1: We wear fur and we're damn proud of it. What 277 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,919 hands our four legs and our tail and we go 278 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,720 to the bathroom outside, Well, we may not be too 279 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:40,600 proud of that. Sniff around, Ben, mark your spot right here. 280 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: Pet Life Radio, Let's talk pets, Let's talk past it, 281 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:54,120 Let's pet headline Radio, petlight Radio dot Com. Hi, this 282 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,240 is John O'Hurley reminding you you're listening to the O 283 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,039 Behave show with our and more. 284 00:15:57,919 --> 00:16:01,919 Speaker 1: On tet Life Radio. 285 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:04,639 Speaker 2: We're back from the lot. Just check the paper and 286 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:07,679 we had our record showing at the box, the letterbox 287 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,000 that is now back to old Behave. 288 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: Here's Hardy Welcome back to the Old Behaved show on 289 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:16,559 pet Life Radio. I'm your host, I'd moore. Wow, this 290 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,080 is a powerful guest. She is doctor Nancy Kay, a veterinarian, 291 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:24,440 an author and a gutsy woman who said I needed 292 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,399 to get some street cred and she got into infiltrated 293 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:32,399 a puppy mill and then this is horrible a dog auction. 294 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:33,240 Talk about that. 295 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 4: So dog auctions, and there aren't many in the United States, 296 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,440 but on any given day when they sell, they can 297 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,759 go through a few hundred dogs. Basically, it's a place 298 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:50,120 where puppy millers congregate to trade their awares. You know, 299 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,159 they may have five older poodles that they don't want anymore, 300 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,039 and they might buy four or five new breeding stock, 301 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,919 mostly breeding stock that they're optioning on. And it's not 302 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,000 just one dog at a time. They'll put five little 303 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,200 chiuawas up on a table and there's all kinds of 304 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,920 bids and the person with a winning bid can buy 305 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,839 each dog at that price, or they can choose which 306 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,759 one they want and then others fall in behind them. 307 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,359 There are also rescue organizations who attend these auctions, and 308 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,640 I don't know, Arden, if you're aware of some concerns 309 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,559 and issues going on within the rescue community. 310 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: Well, I know there's a lot of issues, but which 311 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,720 one you're pointing to. It's only a half hour show, 312 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,599 doctor Nanson, but go ahead, Okay. 313 00:17:40,839 --> 00:17:44,759 Speaker 4: Well, basically, it's hard to see rescue organizations paying top 314 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,400 dollar for these dogs one because we know how hard 315 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,680 it is for them to get that money too. It's 316 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:54,160 perpetuating what the puppy millers are doing. I think other 317 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,160 rescue organizations come in and the dogs that really aren't 318 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,960 being bid on they can buy for and those might 319 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:01,759 be the dogs that. 320 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,599 Speaker 3: They take, but they still have to buy them. 321 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 4: They still have to buy them. 322 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: That's correct. So let's pivot just a minute, because I'm 323 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:11,359 trying to tease people to get your book A Dog 324 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,839 named six four seven. I need you, as one author 325 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,799 to another. You need this because you've got a powerful message. 326 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:20,359 There is a couple of very important websites that I 327 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,720 want you before we forget that, I want you to 328 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:27,519 mention your personal one, and what about the Kids United. 329 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:28,920 I'm not going to say the whole thing. I'll let 330 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,000 you do it. Sure. 331 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 4: So my personal website where there's a lot of information, 332 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,519 general information that I think is helpful to readers, and 333 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:43,480 that is Dr Nancy K. So no doctor, No, it's 334 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:48,200 just Dr NANCYK dot com. And the other organization I'm 335 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:51,720 creating and it's in process, is called Kids United for 336 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:55,799 Animal Welfare dot org dot org. Yeah, so it'll be 337 00:18:55,839 --> 00:18:59,200 a nonprofit. And the way that what I've done there 338 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:03,119 is I'm powering kids to know the facts about the 339 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:08,119 animals they eat and puppy bills as well. So for example, 340 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:12,240 there's a whole section on interpreting food labels, and you 341 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:15,920 know how confusing egg carton labels are. I spell it 342 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,880 out so that one can know, Yeah, I do need 343 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,039 to pay nine dollars for this dozen eggs because yeah, 344 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:26,799 it's free range or not even free range, pasture raised pasture. 345 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:31,039 Free range can mean they're in a crowded bonnard and 346 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:34,000 there's one little open door that very few of the 347 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,839 chickens get out of, So not even free range, does it? 348 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,720 Pasture raised is what one should be looking for, and 349 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,880 it talks about the five freedoms that define animal welfare, 350 00:19:46,599 --> 00:19:50,680 and so the beginning of the pigs page, for example, 351 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:54,880 demonstrates what pigs need to be happy and healthy and 352 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,400 in terms of the five freedoms, and then you scroll 353 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,880 down and you see factory farming of pigs, which is horrific. 354 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:04,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. 355 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,079 Speaker 4: I think kids need to know that. And I'm not 356 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,920 out there trying to convince anyone to become vegan or vegetarian. 357 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: Yes, I understand. So one of the real powerful, i think, 358 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:21,000 very creative approach to strategies you're taking is you are 359 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:24,319 writing from the voice of a twelve year old girl 360 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:27,279 named Mia. Yes, in the book a dog named six 361 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,640 four seven. So she's got a pal Cassie. And can 362 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,720 you kind of tea us up how this all starts. 363 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:35,079 I'm not going to give away the finish or anything, 364 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,720 but people want to know because I thought it was 365 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:40,039 a twelve year old right there. You had me at 366 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:40,799 twelve years old? 367 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 4: Thank you? 368 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 369 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,279 Speaker 4: Mea is kind of a grumpy girl. Her parents are 370 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,960 divorced and she doesn't understand the divorce. She doesn't do 371 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:53,000 well in school, Her single mom works all the time. 372 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,480 There's never enough money and the worst thing of all 373 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,759 is Nia is dog crazy and her mom is terrified dogs, 374 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:03,480 so she doesn't have a dog in her house. So 375 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:05,160 that's sort of MIA's character. 376 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,599 Speaker 3: I like that, was that adapted from others or even 377 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,160 a little bit of yourself growing up? 378 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 4: I don't know me as a tomboy. That's true for me. 379 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,559 And there's a lot of characteristics in Cassie that are 380 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:17,039 true for me as well. 381 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: And who's Cassie? Tell me? 382 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,759 Speaker 4: Cassie is her twelve year old best friend. There's a 383 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:24,359 little bit of an outcast in the sense that she 384 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:29,400 dresses eccentrically, she colors her hair all different colors, and 385 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:32,160 she's Jewish. And Mia spends a lot of time at 386 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,519 her house, and by virtue of eating Sabbath dinners over there, 387 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,000 learns a little bit about Judiaism. And Cassie has two 388 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:43,680 dogs whose names are my own two dogs do a 389 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,279 shout out, Quinn and Nelly. 390 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,759 Speaker 3: Quinn and Nellie are like, you better put us in 391 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:49,119 this book exactly. 392 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 4: So the opening scene is Mia is walking to the 393 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:56,559 river to meet Cassie to go swimming. It's a hot 394 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:01,359 September day. School has just started, and Mia hears some 395 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,960 sounds out in the meadow and it's clear where all 396 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:07,720 the tall grass is and she can't see what's coming 397 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:11,559 at her, but there's something sweeping through the meadow coming 398 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,720 at her, and it scares the bajitis out of her, 399 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,000 and she finds out, oh, it's a dog. And it 400 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:23,119 turns out this is six four seven, and how is 401 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,599 it where shul It's in permanent marker on a little 402 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,680 plastic collar that she wears. So it turns out she's 403 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,640 a pregnant runaway from a puppy mill. 404 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: And what kind of dog is she? 405 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,559 Speaker 4: A Golden Retriever and she's being followed trapped by a 406 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,119 man with a rope. So the mission for Mia becomes 407 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,720 the man drags the dog away, and Mia just feels 408 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:49,000 helpless and hopeless to do anything about it. But she 409 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,839 can't let it go, and so she recruits Cassie and 410 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,880 together they do a lot of Nancy Drew like things. 411 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: That's good. 412 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, oh my gosh, yes, I read 413 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,680 Nancy Drew growing up? Did yousoutely? You know Nancy drew 414 00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:04,359 up in the heavens are like you go, doctor Nancy Cage, 415 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,160 you got me you. 416 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: And you know what kids are reading Nancy Drew Now 417 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,480 too good Good. I know it's timeless. So her goal 418 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:14,519 is to figure out where this dog is, but it 419 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,039 becomes a much bigger goal when she realizes that this 420 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,359 dog is from a puppy mill. 421 00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:22,759 Speaker 3: What has been the feedback? Do you have any twelve 422 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,279 year olds that have been good critiques of your book 423 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:26,640 A Dog named six four seven? 424 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 4: Well, I found twelve middle grade beta readers, oh smart, 425 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,680 and they gave me feedback. They loved the book. And 426 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,880 what I'm really jazzed about is that before reading a book, 427 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,960 fewer than half of them knew what a puppy mill was. 428 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:48,400 So I feel like this is the right market to 429 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:48,839 write this. 430 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, You've done a lot in the 431 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:55,799 world for a veterinary medicine I mean accomplished veterinarian. But 432 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:59,759 what's your take on this book? How has this changed 433 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:00,319 your life? 434 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 4: This book in particular, because. 435 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 3: First of all, it's finally there. 436 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 4: Oh and it's hard to believe because it's been so 437 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,720 long in coming, and the book launch was just on 438 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:13,680 September twentieth, And I am loving at the reviews you're 439 00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:17,079 rolling in and there are all five star reviews, knock 440 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,839 on Woods so Far, Ohio Animal Advocates wrote a beautiful 441 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,079 review of the book, and what I loved about it 442 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,079 is they completely got the point of the book that 443 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,960 kids are going to love it. Here is a quote 444 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,599 from them, why read it for youth? The novel provides 445 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,200 both a gripping narrative and an empowering message. You have 446 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,240 the ability to speak up for those without a voice. 447 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 3: There you go. How's that for an excerpt? Did I 448 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,119 do my homework on you? You did? 449 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 4: And I have always been a person who wants to 450 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,559 create change in the world, and this is my lane 451 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,200 animal welfare. 452 00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:01,759 Speaker 3: Wow. Wow. We have just a few minutes, doctor Nancy, Kay, 453 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,799 and we're going to get you back on to another time. 454 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,880 But I just want to salute you for what you're doing. 455 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,519 And I just recently got a new adoptee. Her name 456 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:16,559 is Nova. She is Oh my god. We did the 457 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,519 DNA and they said twenty seven percent Pomeranian and twenty 458 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:24,160 seven percent American pit poll. Who did what? 459 00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:26,839 Speaker 4: That sounds like a physical feat. 460 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,559 Speaker 3: But she was taken to a no kill shelter, Eastlake 461 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,400 Pet Orphanage and I was surrendered by a homeless couple 462 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,920 where my dog now and three other little females were 463 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,920 living in a car homeless, and they were able to 464 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,000 help the couple, and they were able to console the 465 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,920 couple about the importance. They didn't force, but they voluntarily 466 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,640 presented the animals to the place. And my dog's about 467 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,720 three years old and had never been spaded. Oh wow, 468 00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:59,759 she has turned out to be a gem. My dog 469 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,160 and my dog Emma, and my two cats, Rusty and 470 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,480 Casey have embraced her, and so has my wife Julie. 471 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,960 So I love this dog so every day. 472 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 4: I want to see her, and I suspect your fans 473 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,079 do as well. Can she come up on your lap? 474 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:20,079 Speaker 3: Well? I will show after. This is kind of awkward 475 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,960 because I have to turn everything off, but I will 476 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:26,720 run a photo and we will show a fat I 477 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,279 will show you after the show. But she already knows 478 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:35,400 watch me sit, leave it stay, come. And she's the 479 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,200 best hugger at night on the bed. 480 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: And how are all the dogs? How are all the 481 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,119 animals getting along with the goods? 482 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,039 Speaker 3: Slow and steady. Everybody she knows she gets fed last. 483 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,759 And she is a great little addition to our family. 484 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,079 My dog Kna is a safety dog and a therapy 485 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,440 pet and I teach pet first staid vetinary proofd with 486 00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,519 my orange tabby Casey. And I think we've got one 487 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:04,359 in the make with Nova because law, because Conan's getting 488 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,079 a little older. So I just want to tell you 489 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,359 from my heart, I call them shelter a lums. 490 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: I like that. 491 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 3: Don't call them rescues. I love foster parents. Don't say 492 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,279 you're a foster failure. Say you're a foster success. 493 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:18,759 Speaker 4: Yeah. 494 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: If that pet does connect with you and your family, 495 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,640 why do they always apologize? Can you answer that? 496 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 4: No? No, it doesn't really make any sense. And I 497 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,920 think rescue is a tricky word. Yeah, And in this case, 498 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,480 the shelter rescued her from circumstances or way less than ideal. 499 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,279 But how lucky is Nova too has landed in your lap? 500 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:42,799 And how lucky are you? 501 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,519 Speaker 3: Oh? Trust me? For my twenty five years in the 502 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,000 pet world, I got a tattoo on my upper left 503 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:52,160 thigh that's a heart in between a cat and a 504 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,759 dog looking at each other. And we purposely made them 505 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:58,079 silhouettes with no eyes, so that you can make that 506 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,640 any dog, any cat. So that was my way of 507 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,680 that's my path. My path is to help people with pets, safety, 508 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,440 with first aid and rescue. 509 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,559 Speaker 4: Shouldn't we see your tattoo now that you've brought it up? 510 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,799 Speaker 3: Oh, Mark, this is gonna be great. Hey, we don't 511 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,839 know if we can do this. It's on my approtise, 512 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,200 so I won't show anything. Okay. Oh wow, there you 513 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:20,720 go heart. 514 00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:23,279 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love that Arden. 515 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: There you go, hey, pet all my pet pals. We've 516 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,079 been following the Old Behave show since two thousand and seven. 517 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,599 Ardn't just dropped her drawers to show you her heart 518 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,039 dog cat tattoo because doctor Nancy K told me to 519 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,000 do so, I take full credit. Hey, thank you so 520 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:43,359 much for being on. I really want everyone to go 521 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,720 out and get the book A Dog Named six four seven. 522 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,519 Go to Dr Nancy k dot com and also please 523 00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:55,079 check out Kids United for Animal Welfare dot org. Big 524 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,200 news on O Behave front, there was a million podcast 525 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,680 group I don't know. They just posted it on LinkedIn 526 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:05,839 and they picked the top one hundred podcasts and humbly, 527 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Oh Behave is number three, number three, number three. Oh 528 00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:11,559 and so at this time, I also want to do 529 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,480 a shout out to my producer, Mark Winter, executive producer 530 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,720 of Pet Life Radio because we've been doing this since 531 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,920 two thousand and seven together and it was a huge 532 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,400 honor to be named number three best pet podcast on 533 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,160 the planet. Please safety is my big mission. I do 534 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:31,880 veterinary approved Pet First Aid on different levels. I even 535 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,400 teach vetinarians and I teach people to be instructors. We 536 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:41,119 offer in person, interactive, zoom and now self paced courses. 537 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,759 So please check out Pet first Aid for you because 538 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:48,680 it always features pet safety dog Kona and pet Safety 539 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,799 cat Casey, which we add a little humor to our classes. 540 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,880 And until next time, this is your flea free host 541 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,119 Ard and Moore delivering just two words to all you 542 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,200 two three and four layers out there. 543 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,839 Speaker 2: All behave Coasta around the world. 544 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: It's all behaved with art and more. 545 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: Find out why cats and dogs do the things they do, 546 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,920 and get the latest buzz from Wagging Tongues and tails 547 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,440 and rin tin tinsel Town. From famous pet experts and 548 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,480 best selling authors to television and movie stars. You'll get 549 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,640 great tail whacking pet tips and have a fur. 550 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,759 Speaker 1: Flying fun time. 551 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,559 Speaker 2: All behave with America's Pet Entertainer Art More every week 552 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:38,720 on demand only on Petlive radio dot com.