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Speaker 1: Senator Ran Paul will be dollon in here soon. He's
Speaker 1: scheduled to be on the program. Talk about well, Christy
Speaker 1: Nooam's hearing which for the Department of Homeland Security, which
Speaker 1: has been kicked for a day. I guess there was
Speaker 1: some paperwork that had to be done. I saw some
Speaker 1: reporting on Politico on that and then the Russ Vaught
Speaker 1: officer management and budget. And he has interesting perception which
Speaker 1: I think is probably an accurate one, although it did
Speaker 1: rub some of the Democrats the wrong way. He said
Speaker 1: that he does not have to spend or the Trump
Speaker 1: does not have to spend money that has been allocated
Speaker 1: by Congress, authorized by Congress. He's got no obligation to
Speaker 1: do that. Presidents have the ability to spend less than
Speaker 1: an appropriation if they can do it for less. And
Speaker 1: on that topic, welcome back to the fifty five Cassey
Speaker 1: Morning Show, Senator Ran Paul. It's always a pleasure to
Speaker 1: have you on my program Sir.
Speaker 3: Glad to be with you. Good morning.
Speaker 1: My understanding is, I know Christy Noams Department of Homeland
Speaker 1: Security here is on the agenda for us to talk
Speaker 1: about and we can. I just saw that it got
Speaker 1: kicked for a day it's supposed to have They're supposed
Speaker 1: to have that tomorrow. Is that is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yes, yesterday we had Russ Vote, who will be the
Speaker 3: OMB director and he was the previous OMB director under
Speaker 3: Trump in the last administration. Nome, we're still waiting on
Speaker 3: some paperwork. Everybody goes to an FBI background check and
Speaker 3: some ethics paperwork and it wasn't completed. We're hoping it'll
Speaker 3: be completed, so we can do that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I get the impression you're probably on board
Speaker 1: with Nome as the director of the Department Homeland Security.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna sport both Nome and rust Vote. And
Speaker 3: really most of Trump's picks have been pretty good. In fact,
Speaker 3: some of them so good that I would have picked
Speaker 3: him myself. Just met with Marty McCarey yesterday. Marty McCarey's
Speaker 3: the doctor from John Hopkins who's going to be head
Speaker 3: of FDA. He's going to be probably the best director
Speaker 3: of the FDA we've ever had. Jay baticharia doctor from
Speaker 3: Stanford who I know well, is going to be in
Speaker 3: charge of NIH and hopefully cleaning house over there. Cash
Speaker 3: Hotel at the FBI is going to clean house bad
Speaker 3: Bondye at Department of Justice. I mean, just a lot of.
Speaker 1: Good people, a lot of hysterics and the Democrats during
Speaker 1: some of these hearings. But I guess that's to be
Speaker 1: expected in terms of russ vote. I saw him that
Speaker 1: he said in during the hearings that for two hundred
Speaker 1: years presidents had the ability to spend less than an
Speaker 1: appropriation if they could do it for less. He was
Speaker 1: asked infestitti if he thought Donald Trump didn't have to
Speaker 1: spend what had been allocated as it pertains of parameters
Speaker 1: of how we would use that. That's something that his
Speaker 1: team would have to consider in the confirm That obviously
Speaker 1: rubbed Democrats the wrong way, including Richard Blumenthal, who expressed
Speaker 1: astonishment that someone would even say that.
Speaker 3: It is a technical question, but it is an important one.
Speaker 3: It's called impoundment. So if the Congress allocates a billion
Speaker 3: dollars for an aircraft carrier, and let's say Elon mus
Speaker 3: gets involved looking at every nut and volt for eight
Speaker 3: hundred million, you've saved two hundred million to the president
Speaker 3: be able to impound that there is a real question.
Speaker 3: I mean, there have been some laws against him doing that.
Speaker 3: But there is another possibility of an impoundment that's absolutely
Speaker 3: legal and no question on that's called recision. The president
Speaker 3: could templarly shift the two hundred billion dollars back to Congress.
Speaker 3: It gets an expedited vote, and the expedited vote can
Speaker 3: be fifty percent vote, so there's no filibuster, meaning that
Speaker 3: Republicans alone could cut that two hundred billion. So I
Speaker 3: think it's a tool that has never been fully utilized.
Speaker 3: Trump tried it once in the previous administration for only
Speaker 3: fifteen billion, and two Republicans deserted and voted with the
Speaker 3: Democrats and we lost even a fifteen billion car recision.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping they will try again, and it's one of
Speaker 3: those things they have to understand. They're going have to
Speaker 3: come and lobby, not people like me who are for cutting,
Speaker 3: but there are some of the bigger government Republicans. They're
Speaker 3: just have to come over and lobby them and try
Speaker 3: to convince them to vote for it, and convince some
Speaker 3: really that the circumstances of our debt are pretty dire
Speaker 3: and growing more dire. Interest rates aren't coming down. And
Speaker 3: that's you know, not only is it the debt with
Speaker 3: accumulated but with interest rates twice what they were ten
Speaker 3: years ago. You know, we're paying off the debt at
Speaker 3: two percent. Now we're paying off the debt at four percent. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: That is a huge deal. Well, that that recision. I
Speaker 1: love that concept because it outs the so called rhino is,
Speaker 1: the ones that aren't interested in being fiscally responsible. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have to vote on that, and that's something I
Speaker 1: was having a conversation with Congressman Massy about. He says,
Speaker 1: you know, it was the Omnibus Bill and of course
Speaker 1: the Reconciliation Bill, And I said, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: are in charge now, you can just deliver on cutting
Speaker 1: and he just kind of chuckled, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about cutting projects in a
Speaker 1: Republican's home state, they're a little they're wary to do,
Speaker 1: you know, not going to do it because it's their
Speaker 1: stuff and it's there, it's their pet project. And even
Speaker 1: if it's something ridiculous like the F thirty five, you
Speaker 1: know they won't cut. I said, well, why don't you
Speaker 1: start naming names. Let'spread the word on who's doing that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, so we cannot make the same mistake
Speaker 1: next time around. And he said, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: got to work with these people. I just got it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't comforted by that statement.
Speaker 3: Well, part of the problem is is newspapers and media
Speaker 3: used to be better at this. I can remember even
Speaker 3: in Bowling Green, when I first came to Bowling Green
Speaker 3: and finished my medical training, there would periodically be four
Speaker 3: or five votes in the paper of how they voted.
Speaker 3: Third party groups do this, like there are libertarian groups
Speaker 3: that Republican Liberty Caucus, which is Libertarian Republicans says a
Speaker 3: Libertarian leaning index each year. There are business groups that
Speaker 3: do it, but it's just not far and wide enough
Speaker 3: and it's not out there. And you know, the Internet
Speaker 3: has so much information, but you rarely come across, you know,
Speaker 3: rating systems that have prominence which show how how your
Speaker 3: congressman voted. You know, if you know, I pointed out
Speaker 3: in Festivus report this year that there was a four
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars grant to study whether or not lonely
Speaker 3: rats use more cocaine than group social rights and load
Speaker 3: ball when you're lonely. You tapped the cocaine button more
Speaker 3: And anyway, the thing is is what kind of grief
Speaker 3: would the public give if they knew that their congressman
Speaker 3: not only voted for this, but voted to double the
Speaker 3: amount of money given to this agency. It's called the
Speaker 3: National Science Foundation. And we had a bill which was
Speaker 3: to subsidize billion dollar chip companies and also double the
Speaker 3: size of the National Science Foundation, and every Democrat voted
Speaker 3: for it, and half the Republicans voted for it. But
Speaker 3: you're right, somebody's got to point it out. Somebody's got
Speaker 3: to point out who's voting for these things.
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, you are, I understand the chair of the
Speaker 1: newly seeded chair of the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about what you're going to be doing
Speaker 1: on that as well as the remain in Mexico hearing,
Speaker 1: which I understand is a guesst Today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this morning, we're going to have a first hearing.
Speaker 3: I thought it would be important to do it before
Speaker 3: the inaugurations. I think inauguration day is going to be
Speaker 3: busy and Donald Trump's go announced a lot of it
Speaker 3: about the border. Our hearings called remain in Mexico. We're
Speaker 3: going to have the previous director of Homeland Security under
Speaker 3: previous Trump administration, Ken Kuchinelli, talented lawyer, constitutional lawyer from Virginia,
Speaker 3: and he's going to talk about does the existing law
Speaker 3: already give the president the power to control the border.
Speaker 3: And this is the debate we had with the Democrats.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, well, we'd love to control the border,
Speaker 3: but we just need to give Biden the power to
Speaker 3: do it. We don't think that's true. We think the
Speaker 3: power already gives great latitude to how any kind of
Speaker 3: asylum program is created. We frankly think that the president
Speaker 3: has the power to simply make people who come across
Speaker 3: the border illegally ineligible for asylum. Then you wouldn't start
Speaker 3: these four year long processes applying people all over the
Speaker 3: US waiting for their when they'll be detained. We also
Speaker 3: think the president, for the couple million people that came
Speaker 3: in last year, unattended young males coming into our country,
Speaker 3: I think the president could move their detainment date the
Speaker 3: next month and say your detainment trial you're hearing is
Speaker 3: next month. This is what the ones that already got
Speaker 3: here that buy let in and if you don't show up,
Speaker 3: you're a felon. And then when we find you, you'll
Speaker 3: kick you out and never come back. And so I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of things that can be done.
Speaker 3: They're dramatic. I think Trump's going to use a lot
Speaker 3: of these dramatic things that he already has the power for.
Speaker 3: We wanted to make sure the public knew that the
Speaker 3: law actually supports quite a bit of latitude for the
Speaker 3: president well.
Speaker 1: Before we part company. I just have been observing that
Speaker 1: I've been expecting some sort of much like the first
Speaker 1: Trump administration mass protest along some lines previously was anti
Speaker 1: file or Black Lives Matter, I expect this deportation effort
Speaker 1: is going to result in masses of illegal immigrants taking
Speaker 1: to the streets in protests of being kicked out of
Speaker 1: the country. Any concerns along those lines, or concerns from
Speaker 1: a homeland security standpoint that terrorist activities might take place.
Speaker 3: Now, I guess if mass protests of illegal aliens happen,
Speaker 3: it'll be easier to find them. I love that, you know,
Speaker 3: I think. Look, and I don't want to don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, I am very pro immigration, lawful immigration. I
Speaker 3: have a lot of good friends who came here. Many
Speaker 3: of our best Americans just got here. But we just
Speaker 3: can't allow millions to come in without any kind of
Speaker 3: scrutiny or screening. Really, there have to be limits we
Speaker 3: can't have, and you can't let ten million people in
Speaker 3: a year. It sort of overwhelmed the country and overwhelms
Speaker 3: all the government systems in the hospital. So not to
Speaker 3: mention the risk of that bad people, terrorists, and also
Speaker 3: many of these countries that are run by socialists just
Speaker 3: empty their jail. Yes, you know, so Venezuela's just led
Speaker 3: a bunch of their criminals go. That's what Castro dies you.
Speaker 3: But you know with the Mario leto Is back in
Speaker 3: the eighties. So we can't do that. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, I want to make sure that at least
Speaker 3: this Republican isn't perceived as someone who doesn't like immigrants.
Speaker 3: I have many good friends who have just gotten this country,
Speaker 3: and I'm i'm I'm pleased with our friends.
Speaker 1: Senator Reun Poulsiz, is a pleasure to have you on
Speaker 1: the program with you best of luck with the Homeland
Speaker 1: Security Government Affairs Committee work and the hearings will kick in.
Speaker 1: We'll be watching and wish you luck on the remain
Speaker 1: in Mexico policy, among others. Until we talk again. Best
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