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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm busy Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, Nicole. Hope you have a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>As we wender away towards Saturday, we'll get you to

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<v Speaker 2>about eleven fifty eight and you can handle it the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the two minutes. The rest of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Dan Ray, the host of Nightside, heard every

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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate that. But I'm here be here all

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<v Speaker 2>the program today, or produce the program today. And we

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<v Speaker 2>have a couple of topics coming up later on tonight

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<v Speaker 2>then I think we'll interest you. One is the arrival

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<v Speaker 2>of congestion pricing. If you're heading to New York, it's

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<v Speaker 2>law in Florida which is intended to protect firefighters, police

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<v Speaker 2>New Year's resolutions are they still intact? Well, it was

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<v Speaker 2>good to see the stock market having a comeback today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see the Red Sox and maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>Bruins and certainly the Patriots have a comeback like the

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<v Speaker 2>stock market had today. But it's always up and down

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<v Speaker 2>at the stock market and in sports. And here with

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<v Speaker 2>his twenty twenty five Boston sports predictions, Boston Globe sports

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<v Speaker 2>reporter Chad Finn. Chad, I read your article and you're

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<v Speaker 2>out in the limit a couple but it's an interesting piece.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, Dan, great talking to you. I fully expect

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<v Speaker 3>my crystal ball to be as faulty as ever this

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's uh, there's one here that you know again.

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<v Speaker 2>I like sports. Sports are not my daily work. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't make my living covering Sports, But I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>see them give Jarrod Mayo a second opportunity here. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he got delt to bad a bad hand. But

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<v Speaker 2>you think he's done.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, But I've been really wish you washing on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Two weeks ago I wrote that he should keep his job,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it went so badly against the Chargers last Saturday,

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<v Speaker 3>including putting rookie quarterback Drake Mayo is really the one

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<v Speaker 3>hopeful thing on their offense in a bad situation where

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<v Speaker 3>he had taken a couple of hits to the head.

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<v Speaker 3>They had him out there up down thirty points late

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<v Speaker 3>in the game, and that kind of felt like a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a tipping point with me to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to whether or not may ultimately Mayo ultimately keeps his job.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's so, this is not what you wish. These

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<v Speaker 2>are your predictions, what you believe will happen. Just to

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<v Speaker 2>make it very clear. Okay, Well, maybe you could be both,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it could be both. I guess I hope

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<v Speaker 2>they give him a second chance, that's all. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty nice guy, and I think you get dealta bad hand. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics are going to repeat. I'm not so sure

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<v Speaker 2>about that. They've looked a little shaky in December they did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they're running into a tough part of the

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<v Speaker 3>schedule right now with a bunch of West Coast games.

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<v Speaker 3>Full disclosure, I wrote that section while they were beating

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<v Speaker 3>the Toronto Raptors by fifty four points, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was very might have been a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the over on that? What was the over

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<v Speaker 2>on the Toronto Raptors game? Thirty points four?

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no, I know it was fifty four,

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought it was interesting that I guess four

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<v Speaker 2>of the six fifty plus wins have come under coach Missoula.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly in the last yeah, a few years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's one of the differences between this year and

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<v Speaker 3>last year. Was last year they crushed some teams. I

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<v Speaker 3>think they've set a league record for thirty point victories.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe they were ten, and they've had a few

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<v Speaker 3>this year. That Toronto game was won. But they haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been quite the same team this year. They haven't had

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<v Speaker 3>their best six players together for more than six games

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<v Speaker 3>because christeps Porzingis has been hurt. But I have total

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<v Speaker 3>faith in this team that once it comes to playoff

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<v Speaker 3>time and the stakes are the highest that they'll play

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<v Speaker 3>their best. They I think they're in that you know

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<v Speaker 3>that trust last year with the way they handled themselves

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<v Speaker 3>in the postseason, ultimately winning the championship.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Absolutely, So you're predicting the Brewers won't make the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>They only have forty four points at the halfway mark,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight. Probably won't do it, but I think their

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<v Speaker 2>goaltending should get them there. Maybe they won't too well.

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<v Speaker 2>But why do you think you're saying Pastor and Acts

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<v Speaker 2>only gonna won't won't reach thirty goals. I've tried to

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<v Speaker 2>look up how many he has right now. Was he

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<v Speaker 2>got about fifteen?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was thirteen when I wrote that. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know I think what he's said since, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he said thirty at least thirty every year of his career,

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<v Speaker 3>going back to believe twenty sixteen, other than the COVID

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<v Speaker 3>year where everything was abbreviated, he hasn't quite been right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think part of the issue of this team

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<v Speaker 3>is that they've got guys playing just sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>level up from where they need what they really are.

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<v Speaker 3>A guy who's a third liner is playing in the

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<v Speaker 3>second line. Second liner is on the first line, and

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<v Speaker 3>Jeremy Swaven the goalie, came into camp lay because of

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<v Speaker 3>his contract situation, took him over the time to find

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<v Speaker 3>his stride. And I think they get overtaken by the

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<v Speaker 3>Lightning once the Lightning has played as many games as

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<v Speaker 3>the Bruins and Bruns will be looking at a wild card.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about fifty to fifty where they get one in probability.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just don't think they're that good. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think this is a great team.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason I think they might make the playoffs

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<v Speaker 2>is they had that Western Canadian trip out of the way,

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<v Speaker 2>so they don't have to go back to Winnipeg. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't go back to Calgary, even Vancouver. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>caught Vancouver on an off night, so we'll say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>of course the Red Sox. We saved the best for last.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the line about predict Craig Breslow will someday

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<v Speaker 2>answer a question without the question of requiring tooth of

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<v Speaker 2>services and a copy of the Baseball Analytics for Dummies

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<v Speaker 2>to comprehend the answer. These yalely guys, these these these

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<v Speaker 2>the Yale guys, they they have some big words, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>They They do, and US sportswriter guys don't know a

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<v Speaker 3>lot espersonally. Now, you'd never know talking to Kirk Breslo

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<v Speaker 3>that he pitched more than ten ten seasons in the

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<v Speaker 3>major leagues because he doesn't sound like a guy's ever

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<v Speaker 3>been in a clubhouse. He's just incredibly smart, but and articulate,

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<v Speaker 3>but in a jiargony kind of way that sometimes gets

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<v Speaker 3>in the way of his the messages intending coming out

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<v Speaker 3>the way that he wants. And if he could be

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<v Speaker 3>a little more plain spoken, I think it would serve

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<v Speaker 3>him well, and maybe maybe the fan base enough simple

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<v Speaker 3>sports writers would would understand his thinking a little better.

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<v Speaker 2>Two things I like. I like the signing of Bueller,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy from the Dodgers. And I also think that

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<v Speaker 2>Richard fitz showed me a lot in his four starts

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<v Speaker 2>last September. I don't he did. I don't know if. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think he could be a sleeper, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know in the four or.

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<v Speaker 3>Five Yeah, I mean, you can't make a better impression

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<v Speaker 3>than he did down the stretch last year. And the

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<v Speaker 3>one thing that we know is going to be better

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<v Speaker 3>about this team as a starting pitching where there were

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<v Speaker 3>so many questions going into last year, some guys emerged.

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<v Speaker 3>Tanner hawku barely made the starting rotation out of spring training,

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<v Speaker 3>ended up being the best starting pitch. Now they've got Bueler,

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<v Speaker 3>They've got Garrett Crochet, who's just he's fantastic to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Durability has been a question in his career and he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have a long track record, but he's a spectacular

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<v Speaker 3>pitcher and he's going to be their ace if if

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<v Speaker 3>he's healthy. So there, they're in a better spot there

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<v Speaker 3>with the rotation than they've been in quite a while,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's to me, signifies progress. They still need some

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<v Speaker 3>help on this team, but it's not been a lost

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<v Speaker 3>off season like so many have in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you'd like to see them sign Bragman, and my

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<v Speaker 2>question is what do you do with him? Put him

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<v Speaker 2>at second base? What do you do with Grissom?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Grissom. I like him. I think they

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<v Speaker 3>have questions about whether he's strong enough and whether he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a durable player. But he's very young

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<v Speaker 3>still and they give up Chris Sale to get him,

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<v Speaker 3>so they thought highly of him. They've Christian Campbell, who's

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<v Speaker 3>their number two prospect, a terrific young hitter, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think gets there this year. That was one of my

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<v Speaker 3>pretty he's a Rookie of the Year candidates. But I

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<v Speaker 3>Bregman fits in a few ways. I think you can

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<v Speaker 3>play them at third base and DH Devers more Devors.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a real detriment defensively at third base the

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<v Speaker 3>last few years. Bregman's a leader out. Corr really likes

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<v Speaker 3>him from their time together in Houston, and he's a

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<v Speaker 3>and this team has been a bad defensive team for

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<v Speaker 3>too long now. So he's a declining hitter in it

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<v Speaker 3>in a way, but he's still a productive one and

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<v Speaker 3>he's got a lot of other stuff going for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Chad Finn, You've got a lot of stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>for you. We've covered the waterfront here and we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to do an update. Well we'll do We'll do a

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<v Speaker 2>few updates during the year, but we'll see, we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. And I love the piece and I love

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<v Speaker 2>when to come on the show. You had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun to talk with and I love love talking sports.

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<v Speaker 2>I know just enough about each of these professional sports

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<v Speaker 2>teams to be able to have a conversation with guys

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<v Speaker 2>like you, and I really enjoy talking to you. Chad.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for coming on any time. Dan,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk soon, all right, Chad Finn the Boston Globe

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<v Speaker 2>his twenty twenty five predictions. Great piece. I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>get a chance to read it. We come back, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about an event that is coming up tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>rally for Nelly. We will explain. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with Dan Nelly who lost his mom to als, and

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<v Speaker 2>the polar punge, we'll get all the information for you

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<v Speaker 2>coming up right after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Delighted to be joined by Dan Nallly. Dan lost his

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<v Speaker 2>mom to als in twenty twenty two. Kathy Nally was

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed with this horrific condition. Back in October of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Nally joins us because we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>an event. It's tomorrow morning, so it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>little short notice, but we noticed it. And Dan Nally,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, welcome to Night's side.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, thank you so much for having me on, Dan,

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<v Speaker 5>I really appreciate it our pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the fourth annual rally for Neale and it

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<v Speaker 2>will be held on January fourth. Is January fourth? Was

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<v Speaker 2>that your mom's birthday?

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<v Speaker 5>It was? Yeah, so definitely a very special special day

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<v Speaker 5>for us for multiple reasons, celebrating her birthday and just

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<v Speaker 5>the legacy that she left for us in Balley.

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<v Speaker 2>Thisvesnon. Try to make sure your mom's name was Kathy.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us a little bit about your mom.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Mom's name was Kathy. She was the absolute best.

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<v Speaker 5>Could not have asked for a better mother grown up

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<v Speaker 5>And as you mentioned, she was diagnosed unexpectedly as it

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<v Speaker 5>is for everyone with als, back in twenty twenty, and

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<v Speaker 5>in the two years that she was baling that disease,

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<v Speaker 5>she never complained. She just you know, kept her head

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<v Speaker 5>up and said, what can I do to try to

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<v Speaker 5>raise awareness to make sure that other people don't have

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<v Speaker 5>to go through this themselves? And she was just always

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<v Speaker 5>that positive, bright spirit and impact so many lives that

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<v Speaker 5>she met, so many lives that she hasn't met, and

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<v Speaker 5>just you know, we're trying to carry on that legacy

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<v Speaker 5>of her.

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<v Speaker 2>So the legacy continues tomorrow morning from well, the event

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<v Speaker 2>is from ten to two. It starts at Carson Beach

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<v Speaker 2>in South Boston, so everybody knows what Carson Carson Beach

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<v Speaker 2>is and I guess the Plunges is at eleven o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>but the event begins at ten with registration and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. Tell us about what people need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it's a little late to have people try to

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<v Speaker 2>check it out, but you got a website. Give us

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<v Speaker 2>the website and tell us what folks can do to

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<v Speaker 2>support the cause, whether they're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>attend or not.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, whether or not you're able to attend. We have

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<v Speaker 5>a website with all the details. Give butter like a

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<v Speaker 5>stick of butter, dot com, flash rally, the number four

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<v Speaker 5>and nally which has all the details. But as you said,

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<v Speaker 5>if you want an extra cold bath to start your

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<v Speaker 5>day tomorrow, we'll be there bright and early ten ham

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<v Speaker 5>registration at Carson Beach. We'll be running into the water

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<v Speaker 5>at eleven am. We'll be running out even faster at

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<v Speaker 5>probably eleven you know one, and then we have reception

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<v Speaker 5>over at Amoris in South Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, everybody be able to warm up at a reception,

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<v Speaker 2>that that is for sure. So this is the fourth year.

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<v Speaker 2>Has it always been held at Carson Carson Beach?

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<v Speaker 5>It has been. Yeah. We grew up just outside of Boston.

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<v Speaker 5>My sister and I lived in South Boston for a

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<v Speaker 5>while and so had gone down to that beach for

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<v Speaker 5>you know, many years, and it just seemed like the

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<v Speaker 5>perfect spot to hold this, you know, with the whole

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<v Speaker 5>Boston style in the background there. Get to say, that's

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<v Speaker 5>always meant a lot to us, and yeah, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>think of a better place to hold it.

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<v Speaker 2>So how is it easily accessible? I've gone to some

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<v Speaker 2>of these events when I was younger, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they're road races or again polar plunges, which are great.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that people need to know who want

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<v Speaker 2>to get there, because if they've never been to Carson Beach,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's pretty easily accessible off of the

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<v Speaker 2>Expressway and also off of Morrissey Boulevard, but parking pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's parking along the beach front there. Give

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<v Speaker 2>us a sense of what people might run into tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Just just paint the picture for Since this is the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth I'm assuming that accessibility is pretty good.

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<v Speaker 5>Accessibility is usually very very good. As you said, it's

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<v Speaker 5>just off the highway, you've got parking right there. The

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<v Speaker 5>one year where accessibility was a bit of the problem

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<v Speaker 5>was actually our first year, when it snowed about a

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<v Speaker 5>foot the day before, and so we had the shovels

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<v Speaker 5>out right and early that morning getting everything prepared. Still

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<v Speaker 5>went off without a hitch. The feat were a bit

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<v Speaker 5>colder going into the water that was catched there, but

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<v Speaker 5>no knock on woods. Should be very easy to find

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<v Speaker 5>parking and make it down to the beach tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>And the funds that are raised people can donate. Is

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<v Speaker 2>is there a minimum that people are encouraged to contribute

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the road races now, particularly a marathon,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're lucky enough to get a number for the

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<v Speaker 2>marathon and you want join one of the charitable teams

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<v Speaker 2>there there's an obligation in some reason, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>those those are valuable numbers. And marathons, what are people

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<v Speaker 2>expected to raise or is there an expectation does it matter?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that you're looking to raise forty

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<v Speaker 2>to that figure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no minimum at all. I mean, whatever anyone can contribute,

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<v Speaker 5>we always appreciate it. And unlike the marathon, is a

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<v Speaker 5>much shorter run down to the water and back, so

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<v Speaker 5>hopefully makes a little bit easier on people.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no heartbreak hill or anything like that. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>no heartbreak kill.

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<v Speaker 5>I gotta say, come back up from the water. It

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<v Speaker 5>feels like heartbreak hill. Yeah, it's not much of an incline,

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<v Speaker 5>but it certainly feels like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. And then at the am Rine's event afterwards, which

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<v Speaker 2>is also a big, a big part of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>there's lunch, there's cocktails. I think you got an auction

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<v Speaker 2>over there as well. So you're really hoping to have

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<v Speaker 2>a really full day celebrating in mom's life and also

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<v Speaker 2>contributing to the fight against als.

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<v Speaker 5>Right exactly, silent auction, raffle and just people all getting together.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's the biggest thing. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 5>an event to certainly raise funds for ALF at the

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<v Speaker 5>same time, It is a celebration of our mom and

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<v Speaker 5>just one incredible person she was, and even more so

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<v Speaker 5>tomorrow on her birthday. So we'll have a ki out there,

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<v Speaker 5>we'll have a card. It's going to be a great day,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're hoping to raise a ton of money in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask a tear jerker question, Now, what

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<v Speaker 2>how old wuld have your mom been? How old would

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<v Speaker 2>your mom be tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>If you'd be Yeah, this would have been her sixty

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's an awful young age to lose your mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty five is not like what it used to be

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<v Speaker 2>many years ago. And she certainly raised a great sun.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Sue. By the way, the contributions that you

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<v Speaker 2>raise are going to go to support a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>other great organizations. Tell tell us about that, because I

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<v Speaker 2>want people to understand that this money is going to

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<v Speaker 2>help some great a great cause.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, thank thanks for asking that. All the funds that

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<v Speaker 5>Peter Frady's Family Foundation, which just had their own plunge

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<v Speaker 5>last week and and raised a ton of money there

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<v Speaker 5>and they were so supportive of my mom right out

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<v Speaker 5>of the gates, providing her funds to make sure that

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<v Speaker 5>she could stay in the Boston area she fought this disease.

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<v Speaker 5>And then Compassionate Care Als based out of Falmouth, another

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<v Speaker 5>providing resources to people battling als and sam as the

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<v Speaker 5>phrase Family Foundation. They were there from the start to

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<v Speaker 5>support my mom and and made those last two years,

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<v Speaker 5>as you know, as fruitful as possible for all of us.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, we're just hoping that other people can

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, you folks have raised an incredible amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money in the you know, in the last three years.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to embarrass you, but you guys have

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<v Speaker 2>raised three hundred and forty thousand dollars. So that is

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<v Speaker 2>a very serious fundraiser and one that that you have

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<v Speaker 2>uplish amazing things so far. The other thing we say,

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<v Speaker 2>the number four nolly n a l y, very very

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<v Speaker 2>rhythmic there. Everybody, a lot of folks are wearing some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty fun uniforms or costumes. I guess would be the

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<v Speaker 2>weather with the way to describe it, what's the background

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<v Speaker 2>doing the costumes? Tell us about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the first year, my mom had just this incredible

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<v Speaker 5>curly blonde hair, and so we thought it was a

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<v Speaker 5>nice little tribute to that as a surprise for her,

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<v Speaker 5>we'd all show up with these curly blonde wigs on.

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<v Speaker 5>And so you're a bunch of yeah, a bunch of

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<v Speaker 5>frosty frows going into the wire that first year, and

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<v Speaker 5>then it kind of spirals from that where people are like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>costumer that costume, And we've seen more creativity year for year.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a competition for the Golden Plunger Award very co toward.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not quite the Stanley Cup, but it's maybe just

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<v Speaker 5>Best Dress Costume. So we'll be awarding that again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, Dannally, thanks so much again. Let's give that

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<v Speaker 2>to and contribute or go to and get information and

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<v Speaker 2>physically be in Carson Beach tomorrow morning between ten and twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the website.

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<v Speaker 5>The website again is www dot give butter dot com,

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<v Speaker 5>slash rally the number four and Nally and A L

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<v Speaker 5>L Y. Thank you again so much. Dan. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>This my pleasure. I can't begin to tell you how

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<v Speaker 2>much I appreciate you carrying on your legacy and raising

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<v Speaker 2>funds to find somehow a way to beat back this disease.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the cruelest disease that I can imagine amongst

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cruel diseases. So again, congratulations, and I

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<v Speaker 2>make a donation. Thanks so much, Dan, appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Here your mom, I'm just looking down and smiling, particularly tomorrow. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks again, Thank you. You're welcome. All right, here comes

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<v Speaker 2>the news at the bottom of the hour, And when

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<v Speaker 2>we get back on the other side, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to a gentleman about failing your way to success.

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<v Speaker 2>May sound a little oxymoronic, but it's not failing your

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<v Speaker 2>way to success with Jim Sweeney coming up right after

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<v Speaker 2>the news right here on wbz's Night Side. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Boston WBZ, Boston's news Radio. My name's Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nights Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Delighted to be joined by Jim Sweeney. Jim is an

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<v Speaker 2>entrepreneur who is founded, amongst of the things, fourteen healthcare companies,

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<v Speaker 2>including care Mark. But he has a book out, Creative

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<v Speaker 2>Insecurity is but it's uh. It's called Leaning to the

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<v Speaker 2>Unknown and Unleash your Inner misfit Secrets to Failing your

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<v Speaker 2>way to Success Jim, as I said that in the

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<v Speaker 2>preview before the newscast, almost sounds a little oxymoronic, failing

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<v Speaker 2>your way to success, as some people say that military

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence and all of that. But it's entitled Creative Insecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us a little bit about yourself as an entrepreneur,

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<v Speaker 2>and tell us what lessons you learned along what I

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<v Speaker 2>guess was occasionally a bumpy road.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, thank you for having me on. I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 6>ad just that issue and others as well. So I

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<v Speaker 6>think that you know, most people think about failure as

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<v Speaker 6>being in one extreme and success of being the other extreme.

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<v Speaker 6>And we want to fail to succeed rather, and my

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<v Speaker 6>view is that they're intertwined inexcurricably. You can kind of

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<v Speaker 6>blink your fingers together in your hand, and you continue

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<v Speaker 6>to fail as you become successful. Your listeners are probably

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<v Speaker 6>familiar with the product WD forty. What's happened to be

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<v Speaker 6>the San Diego Company and I'm from San Diego. They

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<v Speaker 6>got the name w D forty. They're now in one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and sixty seven countries with four hundred and ten

432
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<v Speaker 6>million dollars in revenue because they tried forty times to

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<v Speaker 6>get the formula right. That's how they get about the

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<v Speaker 6>name w D forty. They failed thirty nine times.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you this, WD four mirror success, Jim. I'll

436
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<v Speaker 2>tell you many one who has ever used WD forty.

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<v Speaker 2>It will do everything. I mean, I think the only

438
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<v Speaker 2>thing that doesn't do is make people's hair grow. It's

439
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<v Speaker 2>if you got a problem at home, spray a little

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<v Speaker 2>w D forty on it. Most of the time it

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<v Speaker 2>fixes it. So that's that is a great example. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim's funny when you talk about, for example, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a baseball fan or not, you from San Diego,

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<v Speaker 2>is that what you're telling me.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I am okay, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You got pretty good basebe about day the padres and

447
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<v Speaker 2>they've failed a lot. But you know, if you're a

448
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<v Speaker 2>major League baseball player and you get to bat three

449
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<v Speaker 2>times and you strike out the first two times and

450
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<v Speaker 2>you get a single the third time, and you're hitting

451
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<v Speaker 2>three thirty three, if you keep that up for your career,

452
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<v Speaker 2>three thirty three put you in the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to periodically fail. Tell us about a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of your failures, maybe your most spectacular failure, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we can talk about some of your successes in

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<v Speaker 2>the book.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, my most objecular failure was the care Mark, which

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<v Speaker 6>I started and it went extremely well, and I took

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<v Speaker 6>a public and it went extremely well. The start split

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of times, and it was trading at about

461
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<v Speaker 6>thirty thirty sellers to share. Metcair called me and said,

462
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<v Speaker 6>you know you're doing home Parentual Electrician, which were reimbursing.

463
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<v Speaker 6>Then you're also doing info electric and we decided that

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<v Speaker 6>that's like feeding people, so we're going to stop. We're

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<v Speaker 6>not going to pay for that. So and one day

466
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<v Speaker 6>my stock went from thirty to three as a result,

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<v Speaker 6>of that, and I had I realized that I'm not

468
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<v Speaker 6>a I'm not a hero on Wall Street. I'm also

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<v Speaker 6>not a bum. And so when I when the stock

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<v Speaker 6>went down to three, I had to work for eight

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<v Speaker 6>quarters to get it up to forty five dollars this year.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's the example of you know, failing your way

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<v Speaker 6>to success.

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<v Speaker 2>Well once again. You know when when someone knocks on

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<v Speaker 2>your door and says, the worst thing to hear is

476
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<v Speaker 2>I'm from the governments, that I'm here to help you.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was an example of what the government came

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<v Speaker 2>in and they were not there to help you. That

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<v Speaker 2>that is for sure.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I could spend an hour talking about healthcare, because

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<v Speaker 6>help share is the five trillion dollars to your business decimated.

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<v Speaker 6>We had, we lose about we had, we waited about

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<v Speaker 6>a trillion, but that five trillion dollar business ranks the

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<v Speaker 6>last in terms of developed companies and countries in terms

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<v Speaker 6>of outcomes. So I could go on for hours about

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<v Speaker 6>healthcare and what's along with that, more importantly, how to

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<v Speaker 6>fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you come up and fix it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that we're having problems with here

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<v Speaker 2>in the Boston area or in New England is just

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<v Speaker 2>to find a personal care physician is very, very difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a shortage of personal care physicians.

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<v Speaker 6>And well, one of the things the other problem there.

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<v Speaker 6>The other problem with that is that they're now promoting

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<v Speaker 6>your practitioners and position assistance to where they're now writing

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<v Speaker 6>prescriptions without any oversight from positions. There's a consequence. The

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<v Speaker 6>rate at which people are dying from medication erors is

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<v Speaker 6>beyond anything you could possibly imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a great point, the most you'll ever go.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that I'm also concerned about, and I've I've

501
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<v Speaker 2>done this story a couple of times, is that we

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<v Speaker 2>have law schools. I'm a lawyer as well as a broadcaster,

503
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<v Speaker 2>and it's easy to go to law school there's law

504
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<v Speaker 2>schools everywhere. It's very difficult to get into medical schools.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are a lot of young Americans who are

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<v Speaker 2>eminently qualified to become doctors, you know, you know, personal

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<v Speaker 2>care physicians who have to go offshore to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these medical schools in the Caribbean. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why we can't open more doors. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>a story for another time. Let's talk about your book, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>how long has it been out? Tell me about the

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<v Speaker 2>book and how's it doing.

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<v Speaker 6>The book came out on December tenth, so it's just

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<v Speaker 6>been out a very short period of time. The most

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<v Speaker 6>important thing about the book. I didn't do the book

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<v Speaker 6>to make a nickel. I did the book because I

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<v Speaker 6>want to help influence people and what they can do

518
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<v Speaker 6>to get out of their own way to be successful.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the underpinning of the book. And I've been blessed

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<v Speaker 6>with the fact that I've already had dozens of people

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<v Speaker 6>who say my life has changed as the guilt of

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<v Speaker 6>this book. And so to me, if I could affect

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<v Speaker 6>one person's life, I would say the book was successful,

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<v Speaker 6>and what we will see how successful it becomes. But

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<v Speaker 6>most importantly, how many people can make a difference in

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<v Speaker 6>their life because of something to think the book. That's

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<v Speaker 6>my main objective. I say in the book that being

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<v Speaker 6>first is more important than being right. The reality is

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<v Speaker 6>you can only be first once, then you could be

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<v Speaker 6>right later, and you're never right when you start. You're

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<v Speaker 6>going to constantly pivot to get it to where it's right.

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<v Speaker 6>I have something called the innovator's trifecta, which is a

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<v Speaker 6>triangle at the base of that triangle is humility. On

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<v Speaker 6>one other side of the triangle is vision, and on

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<v Speaker 6>the other is what I learned from the Navy fields,

536
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<v Speaker 6>which is the no quickening, which is you'll die before

537
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<v Speaker 6>you quit. If you're able to take that innovator's perfecta

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<v Speaker 6>and apply it to a you're doing, I believe that

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<v Speaker 6>will greatly improve your ability be successful, while at the

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<v Speaker 6>same time asking yourself continuing the question of one am

541
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<v Speaker 6>I missing? One of I missing, and U versus a

542
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<v Speaker 6>great undoer. The whole bedrock of all of this is humility,

543
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<v Speaker 6>not hu verus. And to hire people who are better

544
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<v Speaker 6>than you are, who wants your job. I do what

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<v Speaker 6>I call it pre mortemis. I think I am doned

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<v Speaker 6>that tournal. Maybe I didn't. But a pre mortem is

547
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<v Speaker 6>you interview so many you want to hire. At the

548
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<v Speaker 6>end of the interview, you predict why they will fail.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a pre mortem. And you don't do that because say, oh,

550
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<v Speaker 6>I told you so, that's why you failed, and so

551
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<v Speaker 6>you can make sure that you help them avoid that

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<v Speaker 6>from being a failure, at the same time having them

553
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<v Speaker 6>write their own job description, so you break the job

554
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<v Speaker 6>around the person instead of mold it instead of trying

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<v Speaker 6>to mold a person to the job. My job is,

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<v Speaker 6>I have a one line job description. My job is

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<v Speaker 6>the CEO of a company is to make sure if

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<v Speaker 6>you're more excited on Monday morning than you are on

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<v Speaker 6>Friday night, and that means you have the passion and

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<v Speaker 6>the excitement and you want to change the world and

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<v Speaker 6>make it a better place.

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<v Speaker 2>All great, great points. Look, you also have I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>on your website you have something called the Contrarians Checklist,

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<v Speaker 2>and you offer this to people. They can get this

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<v Speaker 2>framework to evaluate your big ideas. So if they go

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<v Speaker 2>to your website, they can find the book. The website

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<v Speaker 2>is the name of the book, Creative Insecurity dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great easy website to remember. They can order

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<v Speaker 2>a copy. I assume it's available Amazon and all the

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<v Speaker 2>regular places. But again they should go down to the

571
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<v Speaker 2>bottom and says get this framework to evaluate your big ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>the Contrarians Checklist. I'm a bit of a contrarian myself,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, So I'm going to try to get

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<v Speaker 2>the Contrarians Checklist and you send that out to people

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<v Speaker 2>for free. They just have to give you an email

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<v Speaker 2>address and their first name, and you'll send this to

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<v Speaker 2>them for free, as I understand it. Correct, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, The Innovative checklist is a guideline that I believe

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<v Speaker 6>will help you and others examine what their idea and

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<v Speaker 6>go through the checklist, and it will help you address

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<v Speaker 6>all of the issues that I believe you need to

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<v Speaker 6>take your business to make it a success. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>mean to be statypical when I tell you this, Robert.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the fifteen companies that I've started, I haven't had

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<v Speaker 6>one fail. I've never had a down rounds in financing

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<v Speaker 6>because I under promise and over deliver. And these are

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<v Speaker 6>all things that are a part of the Contrarians checklist

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<v Speaker 6>that I believe can help people like you and me

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<v Speaker 6>who are contrarians who want to be old a company

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<v Speaker 6>and want to build a business, can go for that

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<v Speaker 6>checklist and greatly improve their odds of success.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's great, really nice to talk with you. Know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that I like to stay I

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<v Speaker 2>like to avoid people. I know, if you've heard the

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<v Speaker 2>phrase often mistaken, never in doubt. I like to be

596
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<v Speaker 2>the opposite of that. I doubt, yeah, right, but I

597
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<v Speaker 2>like to be the opposite of that. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>say to me, is the sun going to rise tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>in the east. I will tell you the sun is

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<v Speaker 2>highly likely to rive, but he can never be one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent sure about anything because it might just not

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<v Speaker 2>rise in the east tomorrow morning, although it has a

603
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<v Speaker 2>very good track record. So again I think a little

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<v Speaker 2>insecurity in the way you think and the way you

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<v Speaker 2>approach ideas is valuable, even on something as certain as

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<v Speaker 2>the sun rising in the east. Jim Sweeney, I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Anybuddy of mine who used to play for

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<v Speaker 2>the Padres who was a Sweeney, Mark Sweeney, great baseball

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<v Speaker 2>player for many years with the San Diego Padres. So

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a great last name, that's for sure. Thanks Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to talk with you. Good night, good night time.

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<v Speaker 6>And I really appreciate enjoyed talking with you as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Thanks very much. Dan. Rob's my producer. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>okay again, we all make mistakes, Thanks Jim. We come back.

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<v Speaker 2>But to talk with a woman who has a really

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<v Speaker 2>tough cautionary tale, Patricia Bonus. She has written a book

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<v Speaker 2>called Jetta Bride. Way do you hear this story coming up? Particularly? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a frightening story. I will explain it right after

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<v Speaker 2>the break here on night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back. The next guest that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to tells a story. He has written a book.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is Patricia Bonus. I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a bonus of Bonnis, Patricia, it's Bonus Bonus. Okay, Well, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Night's Side. You're a wealthy college graduate and

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<v Speaker 2>spent obviously a lot of time in Boston, and you

629
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 2>fell in love with a gentleman from a far away country,

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<v Speaker 2>Saudi Arabia, and you have a tale to tell in

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<v Speaker 2>this book, which is an incredible story, and it's also

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00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>an incredible cautionary tale. It's gonna we cannot cover it

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<v Speaker 2>in the few minutes that we have, but if you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>just outline for us. This is a wild tale of

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00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a world win romance with the son of a wealthy

636
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Saudi family and how you were separated from your children

637
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 2>for over fourteen years after he kidnapped your children. It's frightening.

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00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 2>It's frightening what you went through. So just tell us,

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<v Speaker 2>give us a little sense of the story, if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be so kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, thank you, Dan, thank you for giving me this

642
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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to speak about Jeddah Bride my book. Yes, I

643
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 4>was at Wellesley and he was at Boston University School

644
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.800
<v Speaker 4>of Management, and we met. And at the time, in

645
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<v Speaker 4>the late seventies early eighties, there was a huge I

646
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<v Speaker 4>don't know if there still is now, but there was

647
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<v Speaker 4>a huge international crowd of students from every country. Boston

648
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 4>and it probably still is now was a magnet for

649
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.960
<v Speaker 4>all of these international students, and so we really, you know,

650
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.960
<v Speaker 4>it was great fun and everything was so exciting, and

651
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 4>I fell in love and he wanted to marry me,

652
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:43.320
<v Speaker 4>and I did, and so I went to Saudi Arabia

653
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 4>in like nineteen eighty as his wife. And it was

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<v Speaker 4>quite horrifying to you know. It was nothing I really expected,

655
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<v Speaker 4>no matter how much you would describe it. It was

656
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<v Speaker 4>like stepping into the Bible, like two thousand years ago,

657
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<v Speaker 4>and it was extraordinary. Things happened to me when I

658
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 4>was there that were terrifying. I witnessed things with my

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00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 4>own eyes that were terrifying. I heard stories that were

660
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 4>even more terrifying from other ladies that lived there and

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00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 4>other people they.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there were I don't know if there's still going on,

663
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<v Speaker 2>but there were public executions at that time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I witness won myself when I was just walking

665
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<v Speaker 4>from my car to a store and I turned around.

666
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<v Speaker 4>I heard all these people screaming, and I looked and

667
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<v Speaker 4>there was a lady getting stoned, and they actually killed

668
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<v Speaker 4>her in front of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And when they say stoned in Saudi Arabia, they're

670
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>not talking about marijuana. They're talking about stony. Literally, no, no,

671
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<v Speaker 2>I'm serious. Look, I want you to know, Patricia, I

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<v Speaker 2>might have crossed paths with you. I'm probably from that

673
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<v Speaker 2>I'm from that same generation. I was at Boston University

674
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 2>law school back in the nineteen seventies and.

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<v Speaker 4>They probably there at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were many of the clubs that you probably frequented,

677
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>were clubs that you go to Jason's on Clarendon Street

678
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>back in the day. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, you know so,

679
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean those were all the hotspots around Boston. So

680
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 2>this guy, he went so far not only to try

681
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>to control you in a different culture, but then you

682
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 2>were able to get your two children out of there,

683
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>but he kidnapped them here in America and our law

684
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 2>enforcement and our state department, they really weren't able to

685
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 2>help you.

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00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 4>No, they weren't. And you know it's still that way.

687
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 4>People don't realize that I'm involved with an organization called

688
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Find my Parent and this is going on all the time.

689
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:53.119
<v Speaker 4>There is a Hague Convention that many countries find and

690
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 4>it controls international child abduction and custody issues. Saudi Arabia

691
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 4>has not sign that still not and you really have

692
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 4>no I mean, you can't fight it. You cannot fight it.

693
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<v Speaker 4>When you're in that country, they'll just throw you in

694
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<v Speaker 4>jail and kill you. I mean, it just happens like that.

695
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 4>You'll disappear and nobody'll be able to find you and

696
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.760
<v Speaker 4>that'll be the end of you. So I wasn't about to.

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<v Speaker 4>I will never step one in that country again.

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<v Speaker 2>And how long how long were you were you married

699
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<v Speaker 2>to this guy?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, let's see, like probably nine years, nine years? And

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<v Speaker 4>I did I waited to have children. You know, we

702
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 4>kept having these issues and I kept thing, should I shouldn't,

703
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 4>should I shouldn't? And then I did and then I

704
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<v Speaker 4>had two children and that was really you know, had

705
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.440
<v Speaker 4>I not had the children, had they not been kidnapped.

706
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 4>I could have told this story a long time ago,

707
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 4>my hair raising marriage to a Saudie, But once my

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00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 4>children were kidnapped, there was no way I was going

709
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<v Speaker 4>to make waves and make it worse.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been able to re establish I guess through a

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00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>stroke of luck. You found out you were living in

712
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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. But you found out that your son was

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<v Speaker 2>going to prep school here in New England.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, can you imagine? Yes, no, my son, Kareem

715
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<v Speaker 4>was in Culver Military Academy. It's a boarding school in Indiana.

716
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.280
<v Speaker 4>I think Indiana, I don't think. I think that was

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<v Speaker 4>probably chosen because it was so kind of off the grid.

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00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.599
<v Speaker 4>But I do know a lot of people whose kids

719
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<v Speaker 4>went there. But I didn't know this, and I until

720
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 4>someone called me mysteriously in my office and told me,

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00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.039
<v Speaker 4>your son is in the United States playing polo at

722
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 4>boarding school. And I looked up all the boarding schools

723
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 4>that had polo, and then I found a listen. Then

724
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 4>I gave it to a private investigator and they found

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00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 4>him and he was a graduating senior at that time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I could have driven, I could have jumped in

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00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.119
<v Speaker 4>my car and run to Indiana that day, but I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>wait a minute, waitmen, this is a military school. Who

729
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<v Speaker 4>knows what's happening, who knows if he'll even't accept to

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<v Speaker 4>see me? I thought, okay, let me wait. They found

731
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<v Speaker 4>he was going to go to Boston in the fall.

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<v Speaker 4>He was living in Fenway Park. He rented an apartment,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought, that's a much better way to approach him.

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<v Speaker 2>Not in Fenway Park, but living and living in living

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<v Speaker 2>in what we call the Fenway area.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, well Peterborough, Peterborough.

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<v Speaker 2>Peterborough Street. Sure, that's that's very close to the ballpark.

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<v Speaker 2>So you went unannounced, knocked on the door, and he asked,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you?

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<v Speaker 6>Who told you?

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<v Speaker 4>That's right? He was so shocked, he was really shocked.

742
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<v Speaker 2>You have a good relationship with him. Is he still

743
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<v Speaker 2>in the States or has he gone back?

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00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.960
<v Speaker 4>No, he's gone back. He runs his family company. And

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say that I blame him. He's doing very

746
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<v Speaker 4>well and he's, you know, he's happy with his life.

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<v Speaker 4>My daughter, the younger one of the two, she lived

748
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<v Speaker 4>in the United States. Now, she actually came here and

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<v Speaker 4>she went to Wellesley of her own volition because her

750
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<v Speaker 4>mom had gone.

751
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 3>There, I guess.

752
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.159
<v Speaker 4>And they accepted her. Actually, when she was sending in

753
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 4>her application, she told me, and I wrote a letter

754
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.599
<v Speaker 4>to Wellesley and I don't know if it affected her admissions,

755
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 4>but I begged them. I said, this is my daughter.

756
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 4>I was a student at Wellesley and she's kidnapped. I

757
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 4>haven't seen her since she was two years old. I

758
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 4>hope you accept her. And they did accept her, and

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00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 4>she did graduate from Wellesley and I saw her at

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00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 4>least once a month for the whole entire time that

761
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 4>she was a student there. So that was aing.

762
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>And she's resettled or settled in the US and not

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<v Speaker 2>likely to go back to Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope not likely. No, she's very happy here. Yes,

765
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 4>So it's a happy ending. Only the middle part is sad.

766
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.480
<v Speaker 4>The first part was exciting, shocking, daring. The second part

767
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 4>was tragic. For fourteen years I was I didn't even know.

768
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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't even think.

769
00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>I was what year did you reunite with you? So

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<v Speaker 2>if I could ask, I'm just trying to put it on.

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00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.119
<v Speaker 4>It was the year after nine to eleven, so what

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<v Speaker 4>would that be.

773
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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand, two thousand and.

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00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Two to two thousand and one. It was September nine,

775
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 4>to eleven have happened a year ago, right now? Whatever

776
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 4>nine eleven was, yeah, and nine eleven nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven two, Well, nine to eleven was nine eleven two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one because it was the first year in

779
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<v Speaker 2>the Bush administration, so you would have united in September

780
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<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and two. But you're still in contact.

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00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Are you still in contact with good?

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00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely?

783
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 5>Yes?

784
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>What What is what is the caution? What is the

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<v Speaker 2>cautionary the caution that you would give to other young

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<v Speaker 2>American women who are thinking about doing what you did,

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00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>falling in love with someone from a country that whose

789
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.199
<v Speaker 2>culture is so significantly different than ours?

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:54.880
<v Speaker 2>What?

792
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 4>What?

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00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 2>What would be your your message?

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<v Speaker 4>My message is my method is probably don't do it.

795
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.840
<v Speaker 4>But I'm not going to be that harsh. It's a

796
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 4>very difficult thing to do. It's very difficult in so

797
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.800
<v Speaker 4>many ways. You have to give up so much of

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00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 4>what your expectations are and what you might have dreamt

799
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 4>for yourself. It's difficult with raising children, there's so many

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00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:24.119
<v Speaker 4>different approaches to it. Their way, our way, and especially

801
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 4>with the girls in some of these repressive countries.

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00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.159
<v Speaker 5>I would have had to fight.

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00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 4>I mean, even if I had raised them. It never ends.

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00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 4>They don't want they don't want them to. You know,

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00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 4>a Muslim girl cannot marry anything but a Muslim man.

806
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 4>She could never be If my daughter married a Christian

807
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 4>man right now, she could never go back to Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 4>They could cut her head off if she wants to.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I don't understand. I see so many young

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<v Speaker 2>so called progressives in the streets demonstrating against Israel, and

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<v Speaker 2>uh uh And I'm a huge supporter of Israel, the

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<v Speaker 2>one beacon of hope in the Middle East that is

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00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 2>actually in the twenty first century. So I hope people

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<v Speaker 2>buy your book and read your book and learn whatever

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<v Speaker 2>lessons Jetta Bride j E. D. D A. H. Bride.

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<v Speaker 2>It's available everywhere. Patricia. So nice to talk with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You sound like an awfully wonderful woman. Uh And I

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<v Speaker 2>wish you all the best of success in life and

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<v Speaker 2>with this book. And I maybe somebody that can be

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<v Speaker 2>back and we could we could take some phone calls

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<v Speaker 2>from my listeners. We do our second one. Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have my producer get back in touch with you. Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I love I love talking to people answering questions. It

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<v Speaker 4>really It really clears a lot of things. People have

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of those great options.

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<v Speaker 2>Patricia Author My Pleasure, author of Jedabride. Congratulations and having

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<v Speaker 2>the courage in the backbone to accomplish what you've accomplished.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're more than welcome. What a story. When we get

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<v Speaker 2>back right after the nine o'clock news, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the concept of congestion pricing. Ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 2>It is coming to a downtown area near you. And

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<v Speaker 2>why do you hear? I think one of the dumbest

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<v Speaker 2>governors in America, Kathy Hokeel, talk about congestion pricing. It's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us.