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<v Speaker 1>It's the Ben and Skin Show, ninety seven point one

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<v Speaker 1>The Eagle. Thank you for hanging with us today. More

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<v Speaker 1>and more news just keeps coming down. The main thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that people still have not gotten over the shock

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<v Speaker 1>of Luka Doncic being traded to the Lakers. He had

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<v Speaker 1>his press conference today with Rob Pelinka, the GM of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakers, and we sweet Christina went there and grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of audio that and we will go through

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<v Speaker 1>that audio with you at five o'clock. And beware, if

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<v Speaker 1>you are still angry about this, some of the things

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<v Speaker 1>you hear might make you even angrier. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that Ben and I like to do back

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<v Speaker 1>in our days at ESPN, whenever we wanted to get angry,

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to hook up with a guy that had

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<v Speaker 1>an edge to him. We wanted to play basketball with

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that would swing elbows. We wanted to throw

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<v Speaker 1>down with a guy who took nothing from nobody. And somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>through all this time we've remained good friends. And he

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<v Speaker 1>is on the Ben and Skin hotline right now, probably

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<v Speaker 1>from a different NBA city somewhere, not here in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies in jail from ESPN, The Great Tim McMahon, Hello, Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>how are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Howdy Howdy partners. I agree with everything he gets said,

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<v Speaker 2>except for the good friends part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, son of a bit, you know, the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't say. Also, he's also the best Dallas Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>media person of all time and he doesn't even cover the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cow Don't get me in trouble with with Aha and

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<v Speaker 2>all those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the still You are the straw that stirs

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<v Speaker 1>the drink. You are fearless. You're the only one who

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<v Speaker 1>looked into Carlisle's cold dead eyes and just stood there

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<v Speaker 1>and looked right back at him. And you did the

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<v Speaker 1>same stuff with that, you know, with the Cowboys. I

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<v Speaker 1>miss you covering that too. But dude, you're you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>so so well. You're doing great at ESPN. You got

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<v Speaker 1>a new book coming out in March. It's called The

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<v Speaker 1>Wonder Boy, comes out March twenty fifth, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>guess now there's probably another chapter to write.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, and eight thousand of those bad Boys have

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<v Speaker 2>been printed already. However, the folks that get the those copies,

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<v Speaker 2>there will be a final final chapter now that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to crank that bad Boy out next week. That'll

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<v Speaker 2>be available to them to download on a website. The

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<v Speaker 2>final chapter will be in the rest of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the books that are printed. I appreciate the plug there,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's crazy because, like when I agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to this book deal and I didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>like a straight biography, I knew Luca was gonna want

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<v Speaker 2>to cooperate whatever, and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I said. Was an interesting angle to me is kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>The pressure on a franchise once they draft the prodigty

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of the build that continder around them or

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<v Speaker 2>they might leave type of deal. So, as I'm writing this,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously I'm reporting stuff along the way, and things

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<v Speaker 2>are unfolding along the way. I thought all along until

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<v Speaker 2>really the last month the last regular season, going into

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs, I thought all along there was a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>decent chance that the book might end with Luca Dombs

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<v Speaker 2>just being traded. I thought it was because he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to request to trade when they couldn't put.

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<v Speaker 3>A contender around him.

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<v Speaker 2>I never, my wildest imagination could have come up with

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<v Speaker 2>this plot twist where they somehow scramble and are able

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<v Speaker 2>to build a contender around him. They do go to

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<v Speaker 2>the finals A few years after batching, after the Porzingist

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<v Speaker 2>thing blows up, after batching the whole Brunson situation, they're

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<v Speaker 2>able to put this supporting cast together. He goes for

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four to ten and nine, leads the league, scoring

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<v Speaker 2>danniar averages a triple double, takes him to the finals,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's gone before the next trade deadline, where he

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<v Speaker 2>feels completely blind sided and betrayed.

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<v Speaker 3>I never could have seen this coming now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it truly is one of the most shocking stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of your buddies that used to work with

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<v Speaker 1>that ESPN jumped on social media the other night and

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<v Speaker 1>compared it to when Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of just like shocking moments in sports that

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<v Speaker 1>you really can't believe. And one of the things that's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, great about you. I know, we have local

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<v Speaker 1>people here that really know you, but you're plugged in

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<v Speaker 1>all throughout the league, and so I'm curious as you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to different people around the league, what has been

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<v Speaker 1>the overall general consensus of what happened here and how

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, clearly aside from the stock right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the number one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I've talked to all.

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<v Speaker 2>Star players who are just you know, all these players like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like this and.

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<v Speaker 2>The Jimmy Butler situation. It feels like there's a turn

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<v Speaker 2>in the U in the player empowerment, you know, trend

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<v Speaker 2>over the last generation. But as far as like talking

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<v Speaker 2>to gms, talking to other executives around the league about

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<v Speaker 2>their reaction to what the Mapicks actually did, there's two

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<v Speaker 3>Things that are kind of themes.

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<v Speaker 2>One is, you get, no matter how frustrated you are,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how many you know Bruski's he throws down,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter you know how many concerns you have about durability,

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<v Speaker 2>you just can't trade a generational talent before he reaches

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<v Speaker 2>what should be his prime years when he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to leave. So that's one. The other theme is, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand wanting to get out of the Luca business

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<v Speaker 2>because of those, you know, the concerns, the conditioning. Is

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<v Speaker 2>his body going to break down?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this going to be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Situation I can bed with Philadelphia right now where you're

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<v Speaker 2>paying seventy million dollars to get you know, hopefully thirty

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<v Speaker 2>forty games per year they said, I can understand wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of Lukadancich's business.

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<v Speaker 3>But you'd have to maximize the return.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had not talked to anybody around the league.

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<v Speaker 3>That feels like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Magicks were able to maximize the return with this super secretive,

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<v Speaker 2>one team only negotiation where Nico Harrison locked in.

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<v Speaker 3>He wanted Anthony Davis. That's the guy he wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, brob Flinkl was able to walk away

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<v Speaker 2>with a picks, a first round pick still in his pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I talked to another team and says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we would have offered this young all star on our

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<v Speaker 2>roster and at least four first round picks, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>would have could have built an offer from there. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish they would have called us.

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<v Speaker 3>And so there was, like I said, those two things

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<v Speaker 2>It was one, and I get why you did it,

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<v Speaker 2>but you got a maximize their turnity he didn't with

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking to the great Tim McMahon from ESPN on

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<v Speaker 1>the Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just for the time being, let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>the Mavericks decided they want to get out of the

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<v Speaker 1>Luca business, and they also want to get the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>possible return. They could. Wouldn't Luca and his agent and

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<v Speaker 1>his team then step in and say, we're only going

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<v Speaker 1>to go get a deal done with them, or we're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing business. It couldn't they have controlled it and

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>That was certainly Nico's concern with opening up the bidding

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<v Speaker 2>process is, you know, Bill Duffy is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most respected agents in the league. He's been through a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of rodeos, and you know, if Bill is

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<v Speaker 2>involved in the trade discussions, then he's certainly going to

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<v Speaker 2>have an influence. They did not want. They did not

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<v Speaker 2>want to allow that to happen. They did not want

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the backlash to be thought of the Maverick

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<v Speaker 2>shopping Luka Doncics from the fan base to influence things.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted to keep this.

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<v Speaker 2>As hush hush as possible, and they succeeded in that goal.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Tim, you just said something that I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>really thought about, and it's like, you know, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of Okay, once you start shopping him, there's a fan backlash,

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder if Nico was thinking, if I do

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<v Speaker 1>shop him and the backlash starts happening, then the ownership

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<v Speaker 1>group will understand that this is a really bad pr

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<v Speaker 1>move and then back off of it as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and quite frankly, I'm I don't know that Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Dumont really had a firm grasp of the potential financial

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<v Speaker 2>ramification to this. You know, you can see oh man

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifty million dollar commitment, and he hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he hadn't played in over a month, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're telling me just like you're afraid he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be constantly breaking down, like you can see those numbers

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<v Speaker 2>and feel that financial risk. I don't know that he

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<v Speaker 2>really had a firm grasp on just how much of

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<v Speaker 2>a potential financial blow essentially dumping Luka Doncic could have

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<v Speaker 2>for the Mavericks. I listen, there's there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of season tickets canceled. Anthony Davis, It's crazy

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<v Speaker 2>that this first ballot Hall of fame or top seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five player still an All NBA player is almost like

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<v Speaker 2>an afterthought in this deal. But you're not selling as

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<v Speaker 2>many number three jerseys as those number seventy substances. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be even close.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I do think this is going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have some serious financial ramifications for the Mavericks franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking to timick Man, Tim, so help help help us,

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<v Speaker 1>help MAVs fans, help anyone scratching their head going, what

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<v Speaker 1>in the hell how did this happen? How serious are

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<v Speaker 1>those concerns about his conditioning, lifestyle, commitment, all those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, you know these are saying like you

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<v Speaker 2>have eyeballs and you see it right, Like it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that none of this is like shocking. These are things

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<v Speaker 2>that we've been talking about and been reporting on with

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<v Speaker 2>Luca essentially since he stepped in the door. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>midway through his rookie year, Doc Rivers, you know, flirted out. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>if this guy ever gets in shape, look out, look

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<v Speaker 2>at rookie Luca compared to now, and you're like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, look how lean that guy was. And again

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<v Speaker 2>it's no longer about hey boy, if he ever takes

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<v Speaker 2>conditions seriously, Wow, he could really maximize just this historic potential.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if he ever takes conditions seriously, Like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about potentially one of the best players ever to

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<v Speaker 2>walk the face of the earth. You So we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a guy who might be able to get in

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<v Speaker 2>a mat or in a Lebron Jordan kind of conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the type of talent he has. But it's no

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<v Speaker 2>longer about maximizing the potential. It's about boys. How often

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<v Speaker 2>is he going to be available? That's now a major

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<v Speaker 2>major fear, especially with this calf. It's a recurring calft strain.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a calf strain in camp as well as

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<v Speaker 2>a contusion. They kept the strength thing under rafts, but

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<v Speaker 2>three years, including twice in twenty twenty four, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a major, major concern.

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<v Speaker 3>So all that stuff's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, was Luke at the easiest guy to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>from a franchise perspective, Absolutely not. And you know, his relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>especially I think with with with Nico took a sour

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<v Speaker 2>turn this year. The you know Lucas quote unquote body

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<v Speaker 2>team and the Maverick staff, which, by the way, the

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<v Speaker 2>Maverick staff being pretty significantly turned over as far as uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the performance group, the strength and condition group,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know the medical group.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, those relationships were non existent essentially.

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<v Speaker 3>That didn't help things.

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<v Speaker 2>But as much as anything, this was them feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>they could not trust Luca to be a three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty million dollar base of the franchise. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Nico Harrison was determined to get a guy he felt

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<v Speaker 2>like he could trust. The relationship with Nico and Luca

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<v Speaker 2>took a very sour turn. Nico has known Anthony Davis

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<v Speaker 2>and Sad he was a teenager, so AD's in Dallas

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<v Speaker 2>and Luca's in LA was his buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>JJ Reddick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you what, Tim, I know you're busy

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<v Speaker 1>as hell, and we appreciate the time, and I look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to seeing you Saturday at an NBA game in

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon that I think we'll have one of the

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<v Speaker 1>strangest atmospheres of any game I have ever been to.

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<v Speaker 1>That vibe is going to be very weird in that building.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, I would agree with that, and I would agree

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<v Speaker 2>it will also be quite weird that same afternoon when

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<v Speaker 2>I think Luca Dontris will make his Lakers debut against

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<v Speaker 2>those cold, steely eyes Carlisle in the NP.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's good, So all right, Tim safe travels.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, all right, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Phillos there he goes, he's really that was so nice

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<v Speaker 1>him to jump on. He's too busy to jump on, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have that time. He doesn't have that time

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<v Speaker 1>when you have. He's on top of the biggest story

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<v Speaker 1>really in all of sports. And also there's more trades

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Trade deadline is Thursday. I know he's traveling.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you to our old buddy Tim McMahon. He

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<v Speaker 1>has the biggest balls of anyone I've ever met in media.

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<v Speaker 2>He does not care.

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<v Speaker 1>He backs down from no one. And I cannot wait

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<v Speaker 1>to read his book The Wonder Boy, coming out March

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, and look for a brand new shiny chapter

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<v Speaker 1>and that Bad Boy too. I might wait for that version.