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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. When

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it comes to Brian Cohberger and the murders in Moscow,

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one of the biggest pieces of evidence that the police

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have in their possession, most certainly is his vehicle. Considering

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how gruesome the crime scene is or was, you would

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have to think that Brian Colberger had blood on him

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or some sort of DNA on him. If he's the

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man the government's telling us he is when he got

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into that vehicle, and if he did and there was

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any DNA on him whatsoever, they're gonna be able to

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find it in that vehicle. They're gonna pull everything apart,

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like we saw in the warrants. They pulled out the cushions,

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they pulled out the visors, everything, they're ripping it apart,

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and they're testing all of that material that they pull out.

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And if there's even one little speck of DNA on that,

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Brian Colberger is as good as cooked. And I would

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be shocked at this point if it comes out later

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on that they didn't find any DNA in that car,

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If they didn't find anything in that car, that might

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be something that goes as a check mark towards Coburger right,

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as far as the jury's concerned. Anyway, his attorney can

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get up there and say, look, there wasn't any DNA

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in this car. You mean to tell me that this

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dude went in there and killed four people and didn't

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bring any DNA with him back to his vehicle. That'll

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be the argument if they can't find any DNA here.

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So it's gonna be interesting to see what they pull

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from this car when all is said and done. Today

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we have an article talking about this from Newsweek headline

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why Brian Coberger's car could be a key to the case,

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according to a former CIA officer. This article was authored

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by Kalita Rockman. Brian Coberger's HONDEI Lantra will be the

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key to the case against him, according to a former

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CIA officer. I agree with that. I think that this

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car is gonna pay off in spades when all is

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said and done. And I think that literally, it's a

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rolling crime scene. And unless he had plastic everywhere in

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the car, you know, over the seats, everywhere, I mean everywhere,

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chances are these investigators are going to find some DNA. Coburger,

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twenty eight, is accused of breaking into a rental home

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in Moscow, Idaho, in the early hours of November thirteenth,

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and fatally stabbing Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and

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Ethan Chapin. The four were students at the University of Idaho,

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and at the time of the slayings, Coburger was a

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PhD student at Washington State University in nearby Pullman. He

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has not yet entered a plea to four counts of

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first degree murder and one count of burglary, but a

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previous lawyer said he was eager to be exonerated. A

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preliminary hearing is scheduled for late June, and we know

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that he is going to plead not guilty. At this point,

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there's no way that he's going to get up there

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in June and say, yup, you know what I did it.

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I'm willing to take my punishment, especially now that we

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have heard that the governor has signed into law death

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by firing squad. Pretty sure Brian Coberger doesn't want to

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deal with that. Police searched Coburger's Hondai a Lantra as

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well as his family's home following his arrest. At his

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family's home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, and we went through

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that warrant, and in that warrant it told us what

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they took out of that car. A whole bunch of stuff.

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I mean a shovel, tire, iron, the visor, seat cushions,

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the door handle, all kinds of stuff, and all of

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that stuff is going to be run through the ringer

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and tested for the DNA of the Moscow four. They

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took a door panel, seat cushions, headrests, a seat belt advisor,

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and breaking gas pedals from the car, according to court

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documents unsealed earlier this month, police also seized hiking boots,

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a shovel, goggles, gloves, floor mats, a band aid, maps, documents,

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and other items from the vehicle. So he had that

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shovel in there, those hiking boots. My guess is this, folks,

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And this is what I've said from the beginning. After

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Brian Koberger allegedly murdered the Moscow for he took that

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long route home so that he could get rid of

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all of this shit, have a burn pit, dig a hole,

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whatever it was. And that's where the shovel came into play.

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As far as the hiking boots. Who knows. Living out

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in Idaho, Washington, you know, Pullmon area, hiking is a

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big activity for people, and I don't find it that

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strange that he had hiking boots in his car. In fact,

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I keep a fully stocked bag in my car just

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in case I ever want to go climb or go

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on a hike. So I understand that part of it.

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But when you look at it in the totality of

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what happened here, or what the government tells us what

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happened anyway, there's no other reason for him to go

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home the long way like he did unless he's trying

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to get rid of some kind of evidence. That evidence

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will be crucial to the prosecution's case. Tracy Walder, a

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former CIA officer and FBI agent, told News Nation, I've

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always felt that the car was the key to this case,

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and I've said that really all along, she said, and

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she has been pretty consistent with that commentary. And once

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we found out about the car, I knew that eventually

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when they found it, it would be a treasure trove

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for the investigators because there's no way that he hid

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all of that DNA if he had it on him

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when he got in that car, some of it got somewhere,

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and with as crazy as the forensic teams go looking

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for this stuff once it's in their possession, I find

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it hard to believe that they're not going to come

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away with something and something significant. They did say that

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in the warrant that became unsealed that the car really

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had been disassembled completely by law enforcement, and that's what

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you'll see a lot in cases like this drug cases.

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The cobs will pull your car apart until it's nothing

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but bolts. She said. Investigators would be searching for any

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biological evidence that might have been left in the nooks

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and crannies of the car, and checking if the vehicle

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had been tampered with in an attempt to cover up

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any crime. And what they'll do there is they'll look

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for any kind of excessive cleaning, any kind of you know,

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substances used that shouldn't be used in a car, you know, bleach,

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stuff like that, and all of that sounds insignificant, but

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when it's added to the totality of what we already

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know and brought before the jurors, it's going to weigh

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very large and heavy. Experts have previously told Newsweek how

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prosecutors could use Coburger's vehicle to make the case against Coburger.

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If investigators have identified blood or any other trace evidence

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from the victims in Coburger's vehicle, that would be huge.

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Joseph Gaclone, adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice,

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is said, if they can uncover evidence of trying to

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get rid of evidence, such as bleach, that will also

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be damaging for the defense. Absolutely. You know, all of

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these little mundane things, they don't seem like they are

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important or like they matter, But in the grand scheme

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of things, when we're talking about the totality of the

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case and presenting the evidence as a grand sum to

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the jury, all of that stuff is super important because

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they're all ties that bind, and when you weave a

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web like this, all of these ties end up connecting

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to each other, and that's what gives you, as a prosecutor,

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a winning case. Investigators honed in on Coburger as the

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suspect in the killings after searching for a white sedan

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that was seen near the home at the time of

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the killings. According to the probable cause affidavid, investigators narrowed

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the vehicle down to the twenty eleven through twenty sixteen

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white HONDEI a Lantra and told regional law enforce Horse

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meant to be on the lookout for a vehicle matching

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that description. And when they first came out, remember, they

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weren't willing to say if he was a person of

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interest or just somebody who had critical knowledge of the murders.

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And a lot of that was gamesmanship on behalf of

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the prosecution. On November twenty ninth, a Washington State University

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officer found the twenty fifteen Hondai A Lantra registered to Coburger.

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Another officer that day saw Coburger's vehicle in a parking lot,

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looked up his name, and noted he had switched his

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car registration from Pennsylvania to Washington on November eighteenth, five

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days after the murders, completely suspect, even though it was

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due to be changed. When you're somebody who committed a

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murder or murderers, like they say Brian Coberger did, the

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last thing you want to do is get on their

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radar at all. He should have got rid of this

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car right away. Hell, he should have never used this

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car in the first to commit these murders. Talk about

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world's dumbest criminals. The affidavit said investigators looked at Coburger's

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history and saw he had given a deputy a cell

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phone number during an August traffic stop. They used surveillance

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footage and cell phone data to sketch out a possible

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travel route on the night of the killings. FBI agents

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later surveilled Coburger as he made a cross country drive

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with his father in the Elantra to his parents' home

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in Pennsylvania in mid December. So this guy knew that

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everybody was looking for this Lantra and he still had

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the audacity to drive it across country with his dad.

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Imagine having that kind of hubris and at all points

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to him being a narcissist. He was arrested after DNA

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recovered from the trash discarded from the family's home was

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connected to DNA found on a knife sheath found at

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the crime scene. Look, folks, there's no doubt that the

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car is going to prove crucial here. And the question

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obviously is have they found anything in that car, And

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we just don't know yet. What we do know for

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sure is that those warrants were executed, and we know

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that those items were taken from the car and they're

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now being tested or have been tested, and if it

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comes back when those results are in that there's any

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DNA from any of these victims in that car, well, folks,

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you can line Brian Coohberger up right against the wall,

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all right, everybody that's gonna do it for this one.

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