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Well, now it 19 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,560 is time from October fifth, nineteen fifty for the Big thirty. 20 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:58,359 Speaker 2: Eight the story you were about to hear is true, 21 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,560 only the names have been change to protect the innocent. 22 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,479 You're a detective sergeant here assigned a robbery detail. A 23 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,479 store clerk has been murdered, shot to death in a robbery. 24 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,159 The hold up man is described as tall, well dressed. 25 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:37,840 He escapes in a taxicab. Your job get him. 26 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime. While the 27 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,000 next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, 28 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:47,080 you will travel step by step on the side of 29 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,159 the law through an actual case, from official police fins, 30 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,280 from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. Dragnet is 31 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:56,240 the story of your police force in action. 32 00:02:59,439 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 4: Was free. 33 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 5: August seventeen was hot in Los Angeles. We were working 34 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,800 the night Watch out of robbery detail. My partner's Ben Romero, 35 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,960 the boss's captain Walker, my name is Friday. Was eight 36 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:11,039 thirty five pm when we got to the Church of 37 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:20,960 Saint Damian the vestibule. That must be her playing the organ. Yeah, 38 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,680 I don't see any stairs. I wonder how you get up. 39 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,159 Speaker 4: There to the loft. Looks like that might be the 40 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,280 sect and they we're there, or let's ask. 41 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:34,719 Speaker 5: Her excuse me, sir. Ye, we're looking for an Ernestine Matthews. 42 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,520 Understand she's the organist. 43 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:36,759 Speaker 4: Here at the church. 44 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 6: Oh that's her playing up there now, playing over a 45 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:39,680 few pieces for Sunday. 46 00:03:39,879 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: Could you tell us how to get up to the 47 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:41,680 choir lof. 48 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 5: Sureley through that door over there, follow the stairway straight up, 49 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:45,319 cad Miss thank you? 50 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,479 Speaker 4: Sure has been a long time. Yeah. 51 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 5: What's that climbing stairs to a choir saying a lot 52 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,319 in church when I was a kid? Mooieprano? All right, 53 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,520 can you finally throw me out? Boy's change? 54 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: Yes? 55 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:11,159 Speaker 7: Did you want something? 56 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: Are you? And missus Ernestine Matthews? Yes? 57 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 7: Did you come about the new provoos? 58 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,959 Speaker 4: No, ma'am Police officers, Oh. 59 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:17,399 Speaker 7: Can I help you? 60 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:20,519 Speaker 4: It's about your husband as Matthews brute? 61 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 7: What about him? Has brit done something? 62 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:23,399 Speaker 4: He was hurt? Ma'am? 63 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 7: Well, I don't understand Bert's working at store. What do 64 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:26,959 you mean he was hurt? 65 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: I was a hold of you God, my husband. 66 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 7: Was he hurt? Bad? 67 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:32,759 Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am? Where is he? 68 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 7: I've got to go to him? Is he in pain? No, 69 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,240 ma'am what are you trying to say to God? Tell 70 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:39,759 me the truth? Which hospital is he in? 71 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: It took him to Georgia Street. They helped him all 72 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:42,920 they could. 73 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:46,639 Speaker 7: Not trying to tell him the BRIT's dead. Not trying 74 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,439 to tell me that are you. 75 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: I'm sorry man. 76 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 5: In the past sixteen days, seven armed robberies had been committed, 77 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,639 apparently with the same man. The suspect was described victims 78 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:02,639 as tall, heavily built, and very nervous. 79 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:03,399 Speaker 4: He was armed. 80 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 5: It's cold logic that every suspect was armed in the 81 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,680 commission of a robbery is a potential killer. It's a 82 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,000 fact that's been proved a hundred times over. The man 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,800 we were after had proven it again. We'd used every 84 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,759 means at our disposal to identify him, through the Stats Office, 85 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:22,319 the Record Bureau, laden fingerprints, through informants and witnesses. We'd 86 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:24,720 gotten not an APB on him containing his description and 87 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,759 his method of operation. We'd maintained stakeouts. We hadn't reached 88 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,079 him in time. Early that evening, a. 89 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,879 Speaker 4: Downtown grocery store had been held up. 90 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,519 Speaker 5: One of the clerks, thirty one year old Bert Matthews, 91 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:37,879 failed to empty the cash register quickly enough, and the 92 00:05:37,879 --> 00:05:40,759 band had shot him three times through the chest. He 93 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,720 died almost instantly in the hold up man escape. Was 94 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:46,560 only one witness, another clerk who had been on duty 95 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,079 in the store with Matthews at the time of the 96 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,600 hold up. His name was Jess Tallman. He was brought 97 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,560 to the city Hall, where we questioned him further. 98 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 4: Did you see Bird's wife to show him? 99 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, we dropped off at the church on the way 100 00:05:57,399 --> 00:05:59,199 in drover to his sister's place. 101 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:01,519 Speaker 8: Still can't get through my head. One minute I was 102 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,040 talking to Burt, the next minute he was dead. It's 103 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,160 kind of hard to take, you know. 104 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 5: I'd like to go over that description of the hold 105 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:10,839 up man. You were pretty upset out there at the story. 106 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,920 Do you feel up to it now? Yeah, I'm okay, 107 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:14,600 all right now, you just take it ease. He tell 108 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,720 us everything you remember and take all the time you need. 109 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 8: Well, I know he was a big guy, over six 110 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,199 foot anyway, I'm sure that he had a good build too. 111 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: Wasn't skinny? How about his face? Do yes? You get 112 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,920 a good look at it? Yeah? I did. 113 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 8: It was thin and he kept working it around, you know, 114 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,519 twitching that guy who was bloody, nervous. 115 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:33,959 Speaker 4: Can you tell us anything else about it? 116 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 8: He was young, about twenty one. I'd say had dark 117 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:40,759 color eyes. That's about all I'd swear to sergeant. He 118 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:41,920 had a hat on I know that. 119 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 4: How about the rest of his clothing, I wouldn't be 120 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:45,600 sure about. 121 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 8: It could have been a great coat, blue coat, I 122 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,720 don't know. I wouldn't want to give you a bump stare. 123 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:51,959 Speaker 4: Did you get a look at the gun. 124 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:54,439 Speaker 8: I couldn't miss that. It was a big one. It 125 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,800 wasn't shine. He was kind of dark blue color. I 126 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,480 can see the guy now walking in the store and 127 00:06:59,519 --> 00:06:59,920 pointing at it. 128 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 4: What time was that again, Jess? When the bandit showed up. 129 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 8: Just about seven thirty. Bert was behind the counter. I 130 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:08,439 was in the back stacking the shelves. The guy just 131 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:10,519 walked in, point of the gun, said gimme the dough. 132 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,040 I heard him say that. Bert was kind of surprised. 133 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,639 He just stood there for a minute and the guy said, 134 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,639 hurry up, give me the door. Bert said, okay, you 135 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,920 can have everything, and he reached to get the door 136 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:21,879 from the cash register. 137 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: That's when the guy did it. He hit Bert right 138 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,600 in the chest. What happened? Then? Bert moaned a little 139 00:07:27,639 --> 00:07:28,800 and fell down on the floor. 140 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:31,279 Speaker 8: I got Samantha started running for the guy, but he 141 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:33,360 swung around at me with a gun, said stay where 142 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,519 you are. Yeah, I didn't want to get killed. I stopped. 143 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,040 You can't blame me for that, can you? Did you 144 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:41,199 follow the man when he left? Well, you see, he 145 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:42,639 backed out of the store, and when he got to 146 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,800 the sidewalk, he jammed the gun in his pocket, ran 147 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:45,439 down the street. 148 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: I ran out after him, saw him jumping a taxi 149 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:50,439 cab and take off. Did you get the cabs number? 150 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,439 Speaker 8: Well, he was too far away for that, at least 151 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,600 halfway down the block. I know somebody else must have 152 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,360 been driving it, though. How do you know that the 153 00:07:57,399 --> 00:07:59,560 cabs already moving when the whole up guy jumped in 154 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:00,720 and got front seat? 155 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,959 Speaker 4: You know it was the front seat and not the back. 156 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,879 Speaker 8: The way those cab doors open, you know, front doors 157 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:07,879 swing out to the left. Back when swing out to 158 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,639 the right tis end. Joe used the same memo, and 159 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,519 I was hold up last week. Yeah you got anything 160 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,480 else to add? Yes, anything you think we ought to know. 161 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 4: It's about the size of it, Sergeant. You all think 162 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,879 I'm yellow, do you? Well? What do you mean? 163 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:21,439 Speaker 3: I mean? 164 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: Because I stopped. 165 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,839 Speaker 8: When he pointed the gun at me, I guess I 166 00:08:23,839 --> 00:08:25,680 should have grabbed him, but that gun looked as big 167 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,279 as a cannon. 168 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: Let's face it, I'm not that much of a haircut. 169 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,079 I'll put in with you. Yes, neither am I. 170 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,279 Speaker 5: Along with a team of men from Homicide Detail, we 171 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,440 continued our investigation of the hold up and killing. Ballistics 172 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,639 reported that the slugs taken from the body of Bert 173 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Matthews had possibly been fired from a thirty eight caliber 174 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,039 Colt revolver. The slugs were in good condition for identification. 175 00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:52,440 All the possible suspects picked from the mud books by 176 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,759 the victims had been checked out. 177 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: All of them had been cleared. 178 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:57,639 Speaker 5: Fingerprints left by the bandit at the scene of his 179 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,000 latest crime were checked out. 180 00:08:59,320 --> 00:08:59,759 Speaker 4: No make. 181 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,919 Speaker 5: We tried to check the taxicab used in the escape. 182 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:03,799 We got nowhere. 183 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 4: The morning after the Matthew was killing, we got a. 184 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 5: Call from Sheriff's Homicide who went across the street and 185 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:10,799 checked with Inspector Bowers. 186 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 9: Either one of you remember that case about six months ago, 187 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,600 the Harry Solomon killing. 188 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I inspect here. It's pretty vague right now. 189 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,480 Your men handled it at Connecky. 190 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 9: Yeah, let me lay it out fair. It's just possible. 191 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,879 It might tie in without killing you. Phill asad last 192 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,799 night and what's the angle. Harry Solomon was a taxi 193 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:30,879 cab driver. The night of February twenty sixth somebody saw 194 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,879 him pick up a fair at Sunset and Highland about 195 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:35,919 ten thirty pm. That's the last time he was seen alive. 196 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I remember. 197 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 9: The next morning, we found Solomon's body in a ditch 198 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,279 out in the valley. Two thirty eight slugs in his head, 199 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,240 found his cab a few yards up the road. 200 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 4: Abandoned killer used a thirty eighth same kind of gun 201 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,519 used on last night's job. Here's something else that ties in. Yeah. 202 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,159 Speaker 9: A description of the passenger Solomon picked up at Sunsett 203 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:57,600 and Hyland the night he was murdered. The last fairy 204 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,600 ever handled. 205 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,759 Speaker 5: White man Eric over six feet tall, heavy bills, age 206 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:06,679 twenty twenty one, dark eyes, had a dark suit on the. 207 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:09,519 Speaker 4: Half matches all the way down the line. You had 208 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:11,639 a robbery motor figured on the Solomon killing, didn't you. 209 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,200 That's right? 210 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,799 Speaker 9: Except for a five dollar bill hidden in his wallet, 211 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:17,159 Solomon didn't have a penny of his receipts for the night. 212 00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:19,519 Might have been another reason behind the killing. 213 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: The size set. Yeah, it's just barely possible. Solomon might 214 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,279 have known the hold up man, the guy who killed it. 215 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,080 How do you figure it? 216 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 9: Solomon had been a cabby for fourteen years before he 217 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,039 was murdered from this hold up man's moo, using cabs 218 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:36,120 for a getaway car. It's possible he might have been 219 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,639 a cab driver at some time or other. 220 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 5: I mean, if the kell had got in a cab 221 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,639 and thought Solomon recognized him was suspicious, that. 222 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 9: I could have been reason enough for him to kill Solomon. 223 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,200 I know there's a lot of goods and if some 224 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,000 maybees in it that I thought you might be. 225 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,759 Speaker 4: Interested, I would check it out. First thing. How are 226 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:55,200 your men coming on the Solomon case? Progress is pretty slow. 227 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,039 Speaker 5: I We'll keep you posted on anything near forty if 228 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:07,320 we can help. And we know, right, two sets of 229 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,039 thirty eight slugs, what do you think? Let's ask the 230 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,879 crime lab. We'd put in a request to RUSS Camp 231 00:11:15,879 --> 00:11:18,200 and Ballistics to check the thirty eight slugs found in 232 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:20,919 taxi driver Solomon's body against those found in the body 233 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:21,080 of G. 234 00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 4: Burt Matthews. Then we contacted the special agent at the 235 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,759 taxi camp company. We asked him for. 236 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 5: Pictures of all their drivers employed by the company during 237 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,799 the past year, who were six feet and highter over. 238 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,559 He told us that they'd have a file ready for us. 239 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,039 The following morning, we drove back to the office and 240 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,360 checked in with Russ Camp at the crime lab. He 241 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,320 was examining the thirty eight slugs under the comparison line. 242 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: Just a few more menus fellows have a share. 243 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, not much luck so far. 244 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 4: Well well, well, well that's it. 245 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, make these slugs come from two different guns. 246 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 5: That night, two more armed robberies were committed, one at 247 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,720 a liquor store, the other at a cafe. In both cases, 248 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:15,360 the hold up man escaped in a taxi cab. The 249 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,840 description of the man who robbed the liquor stor matched 250 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:20,120 that of the bandit who shot and killed Bert Matthews. 251 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: The big switch came when we checked the cafe hold up. 252 00:12:23,399 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: There. 253 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 5: The victims described the suspect as short and fat with 254 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,480 dark blonde hair. 255 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,159 Speaker 4: He had a deep scar on his chin. 256 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 5: During the robbery, this suspect had become so nervous that 257 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,039 he dropped his gun, but he'd succeeded in getting outside 258 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:37,559 and escaping in a taxi cab before it could be apprehended. 259 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,080 The gun was taken back to Lake Fingerprints and checked 260 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,919 was clean. Russ Camp checked it through ballistics. 261 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: Some days are like this, Fellas, what do you mean 262 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:47,679 that cab driver Solomon was shot with a thirty eight? 263 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:48,039 Speaker 4: Yeah? 264 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 8: Bert Matthews was shot with a thirty eight a different 265 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,559 one though it's gone the bandit dropped tonight. 266 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: It's a thirty eight too, you know, we know that. 267 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:56,159 What are you getting it? It doesn't match either case. 268 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 5: The next morning we started working one of the few 269 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,799 leads we had left. We drove down to the taxicab 270 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,039 company and collected the pictures of all the drivers that 271 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,200 they employed during the past year, who were six feet 272 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,120 and the hider over the eighty seven of them. We 273 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,799 started checking them out. That's what the working detective calls legwork. 274 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,240 It's slow and it's tedious, and you're not sure it's 275 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,360 going to amount to anything even by the time you finished. 276 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,559 Two nights later, the taxicab banned hit again. His first repeater, 277 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,360 a restaurant in South figure O. He robbed the same 278 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,039 place less than three weeks before. Ben and I interviewed 279 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,480 the manager of mister Cavallo tell. 280 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 4: You, Sogant, I can't take any more of it. 281 00:13:34,039 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 5: Twice in one month, Yes, sir, could we talk back 282 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,360 there in one of the bullets. 283 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, come on, you've got a good look at 284 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:41,480 the man. 285 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 5: Did Jimmy kavab two feet from him memorize his face 286 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,279 from the first time. 287 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: It's a a joke, you know, so I have no 288 00:13:47,919 --> 00:13:48,279 time for. 289 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,279 Speaker 5: The customers, and too busy opened the cash box for 290 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,919 that feet Yeah, shut. 291 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:53,759 Speaker 4: Up, thanks man. 292 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,039 Speaker 5: Well, and you're positive it's the same man who robbed 293 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,159 you before, there's no question. There are non positive And 294 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,759 he used the same moo too. 295 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure mo, what's that? Excuse me? I mean he 296 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:08,399 used the same approach, the same method of. 297 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,759 Speaker 5: Operation, and everything was the same, the man, the gun, 298 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:11,879 the taxi cab, everything. 299 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:13,519 Speaker 4: You didn't get the number of the cab. 300 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 5: I looked for it to see any must cover it up, someway. Well, 301 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,080 we've got some pictures here, mister Vallow. We'd like to 302 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,519 have you a look at him. Just tell us if 303 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:22,639 you recognize any of them. 304 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: I won't do any good. I already did that. They 305 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:27,759 showed me pictures the last time. This is a different lot. 306 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,639 Oh all right, quite a few of them. 307 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 5: Like to have you check each one of them carefully, 308 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,720 if you would just take your time. 309 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: We can't sit here without coffee, Natalie, I would. I 310 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,320 don't care for him. I don't be silly. You can't 311 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,799 work without eating, Natalie. Coffee three cups? And now where 312 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,559 do I start? Well? These right here? If you just 313 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:50,639 check these over? Please? 314 00:14:51,240 --> 00:15:01,639 Speaker 10: Uh huh No not him? 315 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 4: U not him either? Oh, thank you, thank you? Oh 316 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:22,200 it's hot. No, not that one? No? Is that all? No? 317 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,279 I have some more here? 318 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 9: Yeah. 319 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 5: Oh hey, that's an ugly looking guy. 320 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: I don't look at that scar. You look familiar. 321 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,279 Speaker 5: No, better check with his skipper when we finished year. 322 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:38,679 I mean, it's been a couple hours in there. 323 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: That allows you, no good thief? So right here, this one. 324 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:45,159 That's a guy you're sure? I open my cash box 325 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:46,559 twice for might know his face in a. 326 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:53,399 Speaker 5: Million Morris Copley, age twenty one description matches scoping. 327 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:54,879 Speaker 4: Thanks mitches. 328 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 5: Well, it's only forty minutes, since the robbery's probably. 329 00:15:57,559 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 7: Not even home yet. 330 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:03,919 Speaker 4: What can you do? We'll wait up ten thirty pm. 331 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 5: We parked down the street from five twenty seven Dayton Avenue, 332 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:09,759 a two story white Stuccle apartment house. We checked the 333 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,600 names on the mailboxes. Morris Copley's wasn't on any of them. 334 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,159 We rang for the manager. 335 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,279 Speaker 11: Copley, Mars Copeland. No, he doesn't live here, never heard 336 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:19,679 of him. 337 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:21,639 Speaker 5: I wonder if you'd take a look at this man 338 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:23,720 this picture, ma'am. 339 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:25,679 Speaker 4: Have you ever seen this man before? 340 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,399 Speaker 11: Let me get over here in the line let me 341 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:34,440 say no, No, it doesn't live. 342 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 4: Here, and you've never seen him before. No, I didn't 343 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,440 say that. I just said he doesn't live here. You 344 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:41,960 have seen him before, I believe in my time. 345 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,039 Speaker 11: Yes, matter of fact, I'm sure of it. It's a 346 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,399 friend of mister Tauben's apartment five comes to visit mister 347 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,480 Tauben every now then? 348 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,039 Speaker 4: Is this mister toubin in now man? We like to 349 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:52,720 talk to him? 350 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 11: No, try not. He works nice, never comes home for 351 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:08,920 two am. Yeah, he's a cab driver. 352 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic stories of your police 353 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,400 force in action. 354 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,319 Speaker 5: Ten pm, in the presence of the manager, we made 355 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:27,240 a search of the apartment registered in the name of 356 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,480 Ralph Tobin, the man who was supposed to be a 357 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,400 friend of the suspect Morris Copley We found nothing that 358 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,200 would tie either of them up with the robberies and 359 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,319 the killings. Before the manager returned to her apartment, we 360 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,400 instructed her to say nothing about our being there in 361 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,440 case Tobain or Copley returned. We called the office and 362 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,559 told them we'd received an identification on Morris Copley. They 363 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,759 checked them both through R and I. Neither had any 364 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:50,440 criminal record. They got on an APB on Copley. 365 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 4: We waited. Midnight came, nothing happened. One am. 366 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,799 Speaker 5: Still no sign up. Be there, man one, somebody's coming. 367 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,880 Run back your kitchen. 368 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:14,759 Speaker 4: Door, Maury, you're back or right? Hold it right there, 369 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:19,160 mister police officers. I'm fanny. Why is this a stick up? 370 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,799 Police officers? Explain Joe? 371 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 6: What's it all about? What do you want you? 372 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:23,599 Speaker 4: Ralph Tobin? 373 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 6: That's right. This is my apartment. 374 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 4: You know Morris Copley. 375 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,519 Speaker 6: Copley, Yeah, I know him. You're looking for him. He's 376 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:31,680 not here, We know that. Where is he? I wish? 377 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 7: I know? 378 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,759 Speaker 6: I'm looking for him too. He owes me money. 379 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 4: Hopefully he's a pretty steady visitor. Here's that right? 380 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,559 Speaker 8: He was till I let him at sixty five dollars. 381 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:40,400 I haven't seen him since he took off. 382 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 4: When was that? When? About two weeks ago? 383 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 9: Yeah? 384 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 6: Just about Look you mind if I sit down, I'm 385 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:47,799 a little nervous. 386 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 4: Go ahead kind of upsets you. You know, why are 387 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:52,920 you looking for Mauric? 388 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 5: Like to have you repeat what you said when you 389 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,440 came in that door? What I said as to your 390 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,240 word and you know, I mean before that said, I 391 00:19:01,319 --> 00:19:03,079 don't think I know what you're getting that officer. 392 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 4: You said, Maury, you're back already? What you said? 393 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I did. 394 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:09,039 Speaker 8: I guess I thought Maury came back to pay me 395 00:19:09,079 --> 00:19:10,200 the sixty five he borrowed. 396 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 5: You didn't make it sound like keptob And I've got 397 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,200 the idea. 398 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 8: You were expecting expecting him. I haven't seen more in 399 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,240 two weeks, maybe three. It took me for sixty five hours. Right, 400 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:21,680 that's enough small talk. Mister Copley's in deep. You're gonna 401 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,480 match him if we don't get a straight story. Some 402 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:26,039 cans of beer in the refrigerator. Let's have one around. 403 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,519 Speaker 4: Get the beer. Where's Copley? 404 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:29,519 Speaker 6: I'll swear in the Bible if you want me to. 405 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. 406 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 6: Look, if Maury pull anything heavy, I'm not in on it, Ben. 407 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,319 Speaker 5: You want to check with the manager. Ask her when's 408 00:19:35,319 --> 00:19:36,680 the last time she saw Copley here? 409 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 6: Yeah? 410 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,079 Speaker 8: Right now, Wait a minute, officers, I want to cooperate. 411 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:45,119 Maury's in deep. That's his fault, not mine. That's right, 412 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,559 isn't it. I'm right nowhere is he? 413 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,079 Speaker 6: I don't know. That's the truth. I'll tell you something else. 414 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,400 I wasn't squaring. 415 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,559 Speaker 8: I saw Maury early tonight six o'clock, came here and 416 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:55,759 borrowed another five from him. 417 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:56,839 Speaker 4: But you don't know where he is now? 418 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,759 Speaker 6: No, said sure? Like a can of beer? 419 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 5: If you I don't know, I sit still, I'll get 420 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,640 it for you. 421 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:03,799 Speaker 6: You sure you won't have one? 422 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: No? 423 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:09,599 Speaker 4: Not me? No thanks, I don't want to. There you go, 424 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,279 good cold beer. 425 00:20:13,839 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 6: I like it when I get nervous. 426 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 5: Always calms me down, say Tobin, Yeah, sorry, you haven't 427 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,480 taken your hat off. 428 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 6: Oh I was nervous. I guess I forgot. 429 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 4: Your hair always been dark blond since I was a kid. Yeah, 430 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:35,920 why how about that scar in your chin? It's a 431 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,640 pretty deep one? Beer? 432 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 6: Sure good? 433 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 8: I asked you about the scar. It's kind of embarrassing. 434 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,599 I got a little high one and I fell off 435 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,359 a Merry Garron big night. Now, I've heard everything. 436 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 5: I had a robbery report a couple of nights ago, Tobin, 437 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:52,200 hold up, man was just about your height and weight? 438 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, dark blonde hair, had a scar on his chin too. 439 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:55,799 I'm afraid you. 440 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 8: Got a wrong slant, Officer. I work my cab every 441 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:00,400 night of the week, wasn't me? And if we have 442 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,279 a look at your cars? 443 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 6: How'd you know I had a car? 444 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 4: We didn't misgive it a look, Shelley. Why do you 445 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,599 want to look at it? Do you have anything to 446 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,680 hide at it? Of course not. 447 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: And then like Maury's. 448 00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 8: Oz in trouble oz on the lamb, you probably think 449 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:15,640 it's funny when you checked the glove compartment my car. 450 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,720 Will we yeah, he will? Why is that keep a 451 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:21,359 gun in there? You know how many camp drivers get shy. 452 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,680 A guy can't be too careful. 453 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: What kind of gun you have, Tobin? 454 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:24,559 Speaker 8: Revolver? 455 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:31,079 Speaker 4: Regular revolver? What caliber? Here? He ate? Why? Two thirty am. 456 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:33,839 Speaker 5: We searched his car, picked up his thirty eight caliber Revolver, 457 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,799 and then we drove Ralph Tobin back to the office 458 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:37,279 where he was detained for questioning. 459 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: We had a stakeout placed in his apartment. 460 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 5: Russ Camp and Ballistics checked Tobin's gun against the slugs 461 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,519 which had taken the lives of Harry Solomon and Bert Matthews. 462 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,839 Was found beyond the question of a doubt that his 463 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,799 gun had been used in the Solomon killing. We confronted 464 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:53,839 Tobin with the evidence. He started talking. He told us 465 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:56,319 that Copley was responsible for the murder of both Solomon 466 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:58,279 and Matthews, that Copley had borrowed. 467 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 4: His gun for the Solomon job. 468 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 5: In all the robberies except one, he described himself only 469 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,359 as the accomplice. He drove the getaway taxi cab. The 470 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,559 only occasion he tried to handle the actual hold up 471 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,519 was at the cafe, where he became so nervous that he. 472 00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: Had dropped his gun. 473 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 5: Before he was booked on suspicion of murder, Tobin told 474 00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:16,240 us that Morris Copley still had two thirty eight revolvers 475 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:16,960 in his possession. 476 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 4: He insisted he had no idea where Copley was. Ben 477 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:20,880 handled the. 478 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 5: Questioning while a stenographer took Tobin's statement. I contacted Inspector 479 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,240 Bowers and informed them of our progress. 480 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 4: Eleven am. I got back to the squad room. 481 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,759 Speaker 5: All right, to check back through that personnel record we 482 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,319 got from the cab company. Yeah, I got half an idea. 483 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,839 I think you know, see here on Copley's application for 484 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,279 the job. 485 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,319 Speaker 4: I'm sure we checked out all those references. They didn't 486 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,519 go anywhere. No, I mean that's right here, all right? 487 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:50,759 Speaker 5: Yes, children one daughter aged four months when his application 488 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,319 dated May sixth. That means his baby was born in Babruary. 489 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,839 I'm sure Copley was working here then, so it's ten 490 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,640 to one the baby was born in the local hospital. 491 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,359 But I mean, if we find the right hot hospital 492 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,799 of the doctor they did lead us to him. 493 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: There's the phone book. Let's go from noon until four pm. 494 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:12,039 Speaker 5: We called every hospital, sanitarium, clinic, and rest home listed 495 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,160 in the book. The answers were the same. No record 496 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,240 of confinement for a Missus Morris Copley. 497 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 4: H It seemed like a good idea. How you's going now, 498 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,720 we've got one more in the county hospital. 499 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,799 Speaker 5: Well, this is Sergeant Friday, Police Department Robbery Detail. Yes, 500 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,720 I'd like to find out if you have any record 501 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,839 of confinement for a Missus Morris Copley. No, it's Copley, 502 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,759 SA isn't Charlie, Yes. 503 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,599 Speaker 4: Thank you. You might have sent his wife out of 504 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,480 town to have them baby. 505 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 5: That's possible. Yeah, h eleven eighteen, thank you. Eleven eighteen 506 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:48,880 Rochester Copley's aunt. 507 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,759 Speaker 4: Let's go. Four thirty pm. 508 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,599 Speaker 5: Together with Olsen and Thaxter from Homicide Detail, we drove 509 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,599 out to eleven eighteen Rochester Avenue in the Prenshaw District, vacant. 510 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 4: From a neighbor we learned that Kopley's aunt had moved 511 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,039 two weeks before. 512 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 5: We got her address from one of her friends in 513 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,160 the neighborhood, and finally located her at work in a 514 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,240 beauty shop on Melrose Avenue. We posed as traffic investigators. 515 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:14,119 The aunt told us she thought we could find her 516 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,920 nephew Morris at home and address on East thirteenth Street. 517 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,599 Speaker 4: Six pm. 518 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 5: We located the house and parked the cars at half 519 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,599 a block away. As we approached the house on foot, 520 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:25,200 we saw a light burning in one of the windows 521 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,720 on the left side of the house. Thaxter and Olsen 522 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,240 covered the back At a given signal, we entered the 523 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:31,640 back door, Ben and I went. 524 00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:39,839 Speaker 4: Through the front. It's empty, well fatter I here at happy. 525 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:40,920 That's great. 526 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 5: It looks like somebody passed him a tip off just 527 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,920 in time. We've become messis places in here. 528 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 4: We got out in a hurry. Hey, what's going on here? 529 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,839 Few men think you're doing police office? 530 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 6: Is your name? 531 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 4: Silvera? One of the neighbors. Are you looking for the 532 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,000 Copley's when they leave twenty minutes ago? I guess, in 533 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,200 an awful hurry. What's the trouble? You know where they 534 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,359 were going? No, but you might try mister Kopley's ant. 535 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,960 She lives over in Rochester. They're not there. Well, if 536 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,079 you tried his sister's house. 537 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,799 Speaker 5: Six forty five pm, the neighbors Silvera directed us to 538 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:14,880 the home of Morris Copley's sister, a small framed cottage 539 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,039 on the edge of Beverly Hills. The lights were on 540 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,880 in the living room, but the shades were drawn. Thaxter 541 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,880 and Olsen made their. 542 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 4: Way quietly around to the back ben and I went 543 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,759 up the front steps and rang the bell. 544 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 5: Yes, what do you want you, miss Copley? 545 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,039 Speaker 7: Yes, what is it? 546 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,799 Speaker 4: Police officers, ma'am? I'm sorry. 547 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 7: Oh, he isn't here, Moore, he isn't here. 548 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: We know he's here. Living room's empty. Must be in 549 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,480 the bad year. 550 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,039 Speaker 6: You can't. 551 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 7: She's in the bedroom of the baby. He's got a gun. 552 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,680 You can't go in there. 553 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 4: Where's the bedrooms? 554 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 7: See into the hall at that door. 555 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 4: He wasn't sleeping. 556 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:52,759 Speaker 7: I think he's awake now. 557 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 4: The baby close to him have. 558 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 7: The same beds propped up on cools right next to it. 559 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,480 He's got that gun with him. Don't go in and 560 00:25:58,559 --> 00:25:58,880 cleat it. 561 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,839 Speaker 4: Where's the bed sit you waiting in the room. 562 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 11: It's right inside the door the let please don't go in, 563 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:05,759 and she won't care what happens to the baby. 564 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,079 Speaker 4: Man, I'll open the door. You hit the light switch 565 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,599 and cover me. What the baby? You might just stays 566 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:18,759 go for your baby, won't get her. Let's go, all right, 567 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,839 that's going robot the gun? 568 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,839 Speaker 5: Bet all right, I got it, Joe, all right, go 569 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,319 to get. 570 00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 4: Him up, Come on up. 571 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just a little frightened, ma'am. 572 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,759 Speaker 4: She's all right. I kill your baby. 573 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 8: You tell him where to find this didn't job kill you, 574 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:40,559 lousy damn. 575 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 4: Nobody else knows. 576 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,799 Speaker 6: She's the one who told you didn't. 577 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:45,839 Speaker 4: And who did who told you? You're looking at her? 578 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,319 What do you mean your baby? 579 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: The story you've just heard was true, only the names 580 00:26:58,519 --> 00:26:59,920 were changed to protect the you know. 581 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: On December sixteenth, trial was held in Superior Court, City 582 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,680 and County of Los Angeles, State of California. In a 583 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,319 moment the results of that trial. 584 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 4: And now here is our star, Jack Webb, thank you. 585 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 5: The working detective knows that there is one mark of 586 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,680 identification that never changes a man's fingerprints. The suspect may 587 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,279 change his appearance in many ways, but his fingerprints always 588 00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:23,559 remain the same, a mark of identity that cannot be changed. 589 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 3: Maurice John Copley and Ralph Edward Tiburn were tried and 590 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,599 convicted of murder in the first degree, two counts. They 591 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,920 were both sentenced to be executed in the lethal gas 592 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:45,119 chamber of the State Penitentiary San Quentin, California. You have 593 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,440 just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files. 594 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,880 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police 595 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,039 wh Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. 596 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,079 Speaker 2: Coming up, we the people tomorrow enjoy the Life of 597 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,799 Riley on NBC. 598 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: Welcome Back. I like the line where Friday reassured the 599 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,519 surviving clerk who was concerned he should have been braver. 600 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,680 I think in particular, men will have this expectation of 601 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:23,279 themselves that they should take some heroic measures when dealing 602 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,839 with someone with a gun, and doubtless, on top of 603 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,000 that general expectation, this guy was probably dealing with what 604 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,920 we call survivor's guilt. Friday makes it clear that he 605 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,559 wouldn't have tried anything, which is not only reassuring, but 606 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,200 also reflects the preference of law enforcement in general on 607 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,440 unarmed citizens dealing with dangerous individuals. I think the juxtaposition 608 00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:53,039 of the big pair in this episode in the schedule 609 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:57,759 is an interesting contrast. In the Big Pair or sympathetic 610 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:03,279 grandfather and granddaughter were burgled because of no neighbors knowing 611 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,640 that they were away or what exactly was going on. 612 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:11,599 In today's episode, a criminal is captured in part because 613 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,680 the police had a neighbor who knew all of its business. 614 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,799 This forms the idea that neighbors and community are blessing 615 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,440 to the law abiding but a curse to the criminals. 616 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,799 Not sure it was intended, but it struck me that way. 617 00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:28,000 Now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, 618 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,839 and I want to thank Maggie. Maggie has been one 619 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:35,519 of our Patreon supporters since January twenty eighteen, currently supporting 620 00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:39,000 the podcast at the shamous level of four dollars or 621 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,559 more per month. Thank you so much for your support, Maggie, 622 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,599 and that will actually do it for today. If you're 623 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,559 enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software. 624 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,079 And if you're enjoying the podcast on YouTube, be sure 625 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,200 to lock the video, subscribe to the channel, and mark 626 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,559 the notification bell. We'll be back now Saturday with another 627 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,920 episode of Dragnet. Coming up. Tomorrow, we'll have our Sunday 628 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,880 encore and it'll be Thanksgiving themed. But then we will 629 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,519 resume your regular great Detectives of Old time radio line 630 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,039 up with the adventures of the fall can Wear. 631 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 6: Do you ever hear of the character named Lippy Mayo? 632 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 4: Do you mean you're related to Lippy? 633 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,519 Speaker 12: Only have my father and mother's son. I see you 634 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,559 ever run across him? Well, it's all right, Mike. I 635 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,200 can understand why no one would be overly fond of Lippy. 636 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,839 As a matter of fact, I'm not too crazy about myself. 637 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:38,599 You know he was shot tonight, Yeah. 638 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 4: So I heard. How is he? 639 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 12: Jax says he'll pull through, but he'll be paralyzed for life. 640 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,480 So then you wouldn't happen to know who was responsible. No, 641 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,400 I wouldn't please you to find Anthony. 642 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 4: I don't think i'd care to. Steve. 643 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,039 Speaker 6: Suppose I put it on a. 644 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,839 Speaker 12: Professional basis, as a private detective at your usual feet, 645 00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:00,720 I still wouldn't be interested in well, as a job 646 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:04,400 for the police. And secondly, well, secondly, I think I 647 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,720 got an idea what you have in mind, and you 648 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:10,559 don't approve. Nope, not a bit, okay, friends of our feelings, 649 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,960 I suppose there are other ways of finding out. 650 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 4: Listen to me. 651 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 12: Sorry, Mike, I haven't time, a lot of work to do. 652 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,799 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, 653 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:25,160 send your comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net, 654 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,240 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 655 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:34,799 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from 656 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,160 Boise Atahol. This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.