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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the truth Seker podcast. I'm

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your Horstruthseeker. Today we're talking to Paul Askoff about UFOs

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and the paranormal. It's going to get real. Buckle up,

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I'm excited to dive into this one. Right after this.

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without further ado, we're gonna go ahead and jump into

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today's discussion. My guest today again Paul ask Off. Paul,

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Welcome to the truth Syka podcast. My friend, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm excellent, Thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm jealous of the weather man. You're saying that's uh,

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it's in the sixties where you are.

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Speaker 4: Right now, Yes, sure, yeah, mid sixties.

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Speaker 1: Mid sixties, probably a cool breeze blowing outside. Yeous, I

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can't wait hot down here.

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Speaker 4: Say it again, and I ain't won you o weather

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a bit, two heats.

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Speaker 1: It's grass is always greener, sure it is. Yeah, Yeah,

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excited to have you on. You know, before we went

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live here, we're talking about out the interest in ufology

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right now, and those are like all of my shows

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that are taken off when I look at the numbers,

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even the ones I've done years ago, anything concerning UFOs

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and aliens and that that kind of thing is uh,

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people are looking it up. People are asking questions right now.

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I would say disclosure is happening from the sky. People

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are having encounters and then the government's releasing documents, so

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people are people are asking questions right now. So it's

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definitely something that I love to talk about and love

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to dive in. So we're gonna we're gonna pick your

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brain and hear your story and talk about your book,

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which you've covered a lot of that stuff in there,

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but for those who don't know who you are and

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much about your work, just kind of give us a

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brief overview of who you are, what you bring to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well, I've been medical all my life. I've

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been a qualified nurse, qualified occupational health nurse, qualified paramedic.

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It was always been medical throughout my life. However, I've

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just recently retired, gave me time to write the book.

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ideas down on paper and just get my ideas out

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there for people. And I think from because I had

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and other things, and it changes your attitude somewhat and

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also your experiences and spiritual experiences too, and that sort

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of steers you. I believe everything happens for a reason,

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and you steered in a certain direction, and when the

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time is right, that door will open and you will

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move in that direction if you want to. And I

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think that's what happens throughout most people's lives. And it's

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just for me, is being able to get the information

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out there because what I have seen previously. I mean,

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good authors, some lovely people out there that do a

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lot of investigating, a lot of work both into the

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paranormal and into UFOs.

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Speaker 4: For me, I wanted to give the whole picture. People

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tend to just put a slice of the pie, like

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they'll just stick with poltergeist investigation, or they'll just stick

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we'll say the Pascagoula and the Calvin Parker and Charlie

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Hickson event or Roswell for argument's sake. So people tend

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to give these smaller pieces of the puzzle. And I

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believe that they are all joined or they can be

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all joined together, and we need to be thinking out

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the box, and we need to be thinking about the

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whole picture rather than just the pieces of the picture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've been in this for a long time,

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in paranormal and UFO research in that field, So do

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you have you come to a conclusion? I feel like

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the longer you stay in it, you know, you think

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you're going to pinpoint the stuff down and figure out

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exactly what's going on. But I feel like you end

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up having more questions than you had when you when

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you start, is that true for you or are you?

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I mean, I'm a Yorlcchuman. So I always think I'm right. Yeah,

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we're good. Yeah, we know. Yeah, we've got the answer.

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light all the time. And when I started, should I

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tell the listeners how I got into UFOs?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear about your first encounter for sure.

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eleven years old. I've just had my birthday and we've

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nineteen sixty eight, so there were no such thing as

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the police helicopters or ambulance helicopters anything like that, and

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the air traffic was very much lower. Two Now, we

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were very rural location, so there wasn't much aircraft that

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much flying over our location. Where we were. We were

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looking from our front house. We faced due east, myself

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and my brother last job of the day. As a routine,

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we did what our father said and we took our

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dogs for a walk. And we had a very disabled

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war bedroom next door had to take his dog for

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a walk. So the routine was took the dogs for

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a walk, came back, said good night to the parents,

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take the dogs for a walk. My brother who was nine,

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get dark. There was no light pollution like there is now,

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major constellation. The brighter magnitude stars were just coming out.

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him and he's pointing to them. Now, it wasn't an

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astronomer or anything, but he had a telescope and he

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liked to involve the children like parents do. So as

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we're all three looking at the sky to the north

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and straight in front of us was a bank of cloud,

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a really thick bank of cloud that went all the way.

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perfectly clear. And then as we're looking at the sky,

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two UFOs came flying out this flying own word, but

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came zooming out of this bank of cloud and then

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just stopped dead. There was no deceleration, and if you

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can imagine, like a V formation, but one slightly to

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one side and behind the other. And as they stopped,

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they were perfectly spherical, pearly white, brilliant white balls of light. Now,

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the one nearest to us was about very close to

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the cloud and was about the size of a dime

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arm's length, so they were quite large, really, and you

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could actually see the light from it shining on the cloud.

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There was no sound whatsoever, no apparent rotation, no strobes

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or anything like that. There were just a solid white light.

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ninety degrees, going directly away from us. But they stayed

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at the same relative position to each other, nothing apparently

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joining together. Now, when they were stationary, they were perfectly circular,

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and as they stopped, I got a voice perfectly clear

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in my head. Now I don't know why, but I'm saying.

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The voice was friendly, and the voice was masculine, and

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it said. All the impression it got was oops, we

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hadn't meant to have been seen. We hadn't meant to

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come out of the cloud. And that was perfectly cleared

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in my head. And then after a few seconds they

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were immediately moving fast, going away from us. And as

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they moved away from us, it was like they were

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covered in an atmosphere or something like something around them

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that gave that wasn't attached to it, but it gave

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off this sort of phosphorescent around it. And there was

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the tiniest little tear drop shape as they moved, as

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if this atmosphere was slopping away almost And again no

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sound or anything, and they went in a perfectly straight

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line down this bank of cloud, and you could still

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see the light from them reflecting on the surface of

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the cloud until they disappeared in the distance towards what

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was then a coal fired power station about nine miles away.

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As the crow flies. Now, the three of us were

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just done founded and in silence, and my father, who

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had done his national service without Royal Air Force, and

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he was the first to speak after a while, and

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he said, well, there's nothing that we have that can

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do that, and that From that moment on, it was

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like I wanted to know how I don't how I

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don't know about it. Why isn't it on the news,

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Why isn't it in the newspapers, Why aren't people talking

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about it? Because it was so bizarre, It was so

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for want of a better term, obviously alien. It was

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so odd and out there. How could it not be

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anything but alien? And that's one of the things I've

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learned as an investigator years later that even though people

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give or I dare say, the authorities give the explanations

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of what it was, a temperature inversion, it was the

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lighthouse through the trees, it was military flares, they do.

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That's enough for people on the periphery and on the

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outside to give a logical explanation, because as the normal

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human psyche, you're always trying to rationalize things. So for

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people on the outside, it's nice to say, yes, that's

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what it is, I'll just cross it off. But the

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reality is for the people that witness it, it falls

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far short, and these people are still left with, yes,

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I want to move on, Yes, I want to accept

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that explanation, but I still don't think it's right. And

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we do get that a lot within investigating the field

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of youupology.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's an amazing first story, first encounter, and obviously

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you know this is something you started pursuing and asking

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questions and things like that later. One thing I wanted

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just to comment on is what you said about what

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we'll call telepathic communication. When you saw it, there was

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a thought that you picked up. It's something told you

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or are you picked up on it? And the reason

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I'm going there because I've had similar encounters where these

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you see it and boomed, there's a thought immediately implanted

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in your head and they tell you something about being seen.

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You know. That's the interesting thing. Whatever they are, they

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know when someone sees them, like they know if they're cloaked,

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they know if they're hiding in the cloud. And then

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they know if an eyewitness an onlooker makes seize them

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and registers in their brain, Hey there's something weird right there.

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There's a UFO and they know it, and it's like

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they sent a thought, Hey, we we didn't want you

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to see this. Yeah, and the kind of thing you know,

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and then they take off what do you what do

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you think that is? Do you do you think that

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that they're just you know, trying trying to communicate or

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they you know, they it's hard to say what it is.

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You know if especially you saw a boy hearing voices,

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you know, and people talk about it, well, it's just

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the government, and the government has technology to send dots

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to you and all this kind of weird stuff about that,

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because it's real beautiful. It's encouraging, the sparks are and

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wonder in your life, creativity, you know, and and like

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you said, once you start pursuing that stuff, interesting things

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start happen. What do you think is going on with

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that type of what we'll call telepathic communication when someone

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cs the UFO?

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, it gets what I've tried to do. Just

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to digress very slightly, I've tried to write my book

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so that anybody can pick it up, because you do

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get a lot of people that try to explain the

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science behind it, and you, as a reader, you're trying

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to read it and thinking, well, this is getting a

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bit heavy. I am having to concentrate here, and I

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didn't want that. What I wanted to do was just

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put it in very easy Layman's terms, simple to understand.

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So this is my explanation on it. We I'm going

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to slightly scientific, but it's very simple. We are what

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we deal with on a daily basis within our normal

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electromagnetic spectrum. Right at the high end, you've got radio

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waves that we're using now, and then you come down

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through the infrared to the visible light and our acoustic spectrum,

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and then it goes down through the ultraviolet X rays

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and then gamma rays at the lower end. That's our

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normal electromagnetic spectrum that human beings we've learned to deal

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with and to a certain extents, we can now measure,

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and we're going further afield in now doing photography and

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in infrared and ultraviolet. We've got that on the hubble

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and all sorts of things. And it's saying with on

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the gun cameras with the latest ones with the UPTK

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reportant things and having corroborative evidence because they've got infrared

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cameras as well as normal cameras on the aircraft. Now,

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if you imagine that electro magnetic spectrum, what we actually

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see and hear every day that we deal with every

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day is actually less than one tenth of one percent

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of what we know about electro magnetic spectrum right now,

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we can measure measure it to a certain extent. We

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know about EKGs that you'd call egs when they measure

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the brain patterns, but at the end of the day,

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we're not that good with it. Really, we're only scratching

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the surface now. Slightly Aside from that, the latest scientists

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and cosmologists are saying that between seventy five and even

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as much as ninety five percent of the universe that

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we deal with is dark energy in dark matter that

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we can't even measure, but they know it's there because

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of the way our bit of the electro magnetic spectrum

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and the things that we know reacts. So because of that,

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we're only actually seeing that one tenth of one percent

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of five percent, if you get what I mean. So

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there's another nine that we don't even know about.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: This is something that ET is completely in control of,

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completely understands, and completely is able to understand it to

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an extent that they can manipulate.

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Speaker 3: It and use it.

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Speaker 4: Therefore, when we've been talking about communication on telepathic level,

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they immediately everything that we have right you me, the

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computer we sat in front of the room, we sat in,

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the chair we sat on. Everything has a magnetic field

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that we can to a limited extent measure. But if

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you imagine now, you know on a spiritual level, when

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you meet somebody for the first time, you know immediately

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if you're going to get on with that person or not,

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because your magnetic field reacts with their magnetic field, so

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your areas immediately. That's when you know if you're on

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the same wavelength. We have all these little phrases in

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our normal life and people don't understand it. But when

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you meet somebody, you know if you're on the same

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wavelength or so you know if you're going to get

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on or not, And it's exactly the same. ET can

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control that, every thought that you have and the intention

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behind it. S Einstein said, everything is energy and the

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thought is energy. So therefore, if you are ET and

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you're able to control that, you're able to manipulate it.

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You understand it. That is why ET can immediately zoom in.

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That's why we get these abductees that go back and

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see things, and people see things constantly and where they say, ET, suddenly,

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why have they come from me? Why have they suddenly

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appeared at the side of the bed. Why did they

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think I was thinking that? Why did they not let

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me remember? Why did I see? And owl? Owls is

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a good one or a vehicle parts of the side

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of the road. And it's because they're able to control

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our memories and our frequencies, and because they understand it,

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they can zoom straight into us. They know immediately. That's

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why they know when you've seen them. That's why they

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know where you are. That's why people Is it a

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bizarre act of kindness in reality that et don't let

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you remember?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I mean, you know that if you

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know you come from the medical field, and if you're

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going through a surgery like that, there's a counsel where

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people wake up during surgery. Yeah, they're cut open and

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but they can't move like you're not supposed to see that.

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You're not supposed to remember that, right, So, like you said,

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maybe it's a service that you can't remember most people

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by sheer fright of what these beings look like. Well,

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you know, fear and hysteria immediately kicks in and panic,

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you know, just to see what they look like. And

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so with that being said, that is pretty advanced technology

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or spirituality or just their you know, abilities that we

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call God. Given that they have, it's pretty pretty advanced

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and pretty powerful. It could be scary or it could

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be a blessing, depending on the intentions of the ets.

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Now would you say benevolent manevolent? Both? What what is

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your experiences with with these these beings? And uh and

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the reports of others?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I'll go. I'll use a knowledge that I

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use in the book. Imagine our electromagnetic spectrum that we're

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on now, our life that we're on this earth is

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an old vinyl record, an old LP with holding the

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sense and the grooves from the edge to the center.

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That is our frequency that we deal with. That with

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the Plannet, the plane, the physical reality that we deal

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with on a daily basis. So if ET is able

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to manipulate that, remember we only see one fifth or

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one tenth of one percent rather within that electromagnetic spectrum,

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so we're on that record. There are actually a whole

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stack of records on different frequencies some people call different

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dimensions both above us and blowers. So ET one thing

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that the going back to the abductees, which they will

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say the messages that they are given or people that

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have done hypnotic regression, people like Dolores Canon, Bud Hopkins.

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Unfortunately they are no longer with us, but Cat Marden

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more recently. And one thing that they say constantly is

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that everything's done by thought. It's an energy that they have.

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And Bud Hopkins, I was very fortunate to meet him

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and have lunch with him months. I was helping out

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at a view for a concert the British UFO Research

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Association and Bud Hopkins was a guest and he was

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quite what can I say? He came out with it

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and he said, Paul, He said, I got into the

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field of upology purely by chance. He says, I was

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an artist, and he got into hypnotherapy mainly on the

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counseling side of things and wanting to help people. He

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was a lovely man, real gentleman, wanting to help people.

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But he said, when different people from all geographical locations

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around the world and all different backgrounds, whether they be wealthy,

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whether they be very poor, he says, and they're all

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telling you exactly the same story, and they've never met

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each other. They don't know these other people telling me

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the same story. He says, But when you do that

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and they're all telling you, he says, obviously it's got

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to be so true to it. And one of the

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things that they all say is everything was done by thought.

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Is the energy, and that is why you never have

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a problem. People say they communicate, they speak in their

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language because they don't need language, because it's the thought ideas,

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the idea that goes directly into your brain, and that's

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how it's put over, and that's how you pick it up,

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so language doesn't come into it. And the other thing,

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that's how the abductees where they'll often say people say,

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I can remember seeing an owl, or I can remember

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seeing a vehicle at the side of the road, and

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it's been allowed to remember these things. There was an

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abduction I for adults that he investigated from before, back

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in the mid nineties, and one of the guys gave

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a really good description and he said it was a

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really odd atmosphere, he says, and I can clearly remember thinking, well,

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how is it suddenly dark? Why has it got dark

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so quickly? And he said, when I look back at

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it now, he said, if you can imagine you're memory

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as a videotape that's been cut into segments and then

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a lot of it thrown away, and the bits that

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are put together aren't necessarily in the right order. It says,

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that's how it feels in my head. Where normally people

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will rationalize and you can remember things in a normal,

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relatively accurate, chronological order. He says, this, it doesn't work.

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It's because for that portion of my life it won't.

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My brain doesn't work, it won't let me remember, and

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it's just been able to control that frequency. So you

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00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:39,319
can blanket or do whatever. And it's just for them.

475
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:43,400
It's a straightforward thing. It's not there's no magic to it.

476
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,319
As Einstein said, everything is science, there's no there's no

477
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,440
magic behind it. There's no it's just a spiritual thing too.

478
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, if go on, no, I just so many different

479
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:58,839
places we can go again. I just I want you

480
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,240
to be clear on are they good or bad? You know,

481
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,799
as far as or both, you know, because a lot

482
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,799
of people will say, you know, they're just like humans.

483
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,720
We have some good humans and bad humans. I don't

484
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,200
necessarily agree with that. All of my experiences have been beautiful,

485
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:19,200
have been like amazing, you know, And so the whole

486
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,319
thing about the abduction phenomenon, which we've seen, you know,

487
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,680
really in the eighties and nineties and it was like

488
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,039
a terrifying experiences kind of thing. But now you're hearing

489
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:34,599
more of the experiencer and the contact d and they

490
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,400
were like, it's more of a I'm I was chosen

491
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,200
to uh to see this, and I'm thankful that it happened.

492
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,279
And now you know, psychic abilities are increasing in the individual,

493
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,599
like creativity is unlocking in the individual. Uh. It seems

494
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,559
like whether there's a you know, something's changing in that realm,

495
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,920
which some people would would agree. And I do feel

496
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,440
like there's a lot of disinfo out there as well,

497
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,200
but I feel like, you know that they're definitely benevolent.

498
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,480
I feel like there's a code of conduct out there,

499
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:13,799
a spiritual code of evolution that we need to rise

500
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,559
to as well to be accepted amongst the stars and

501
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,640
so but obviously my experience is my experience, and other

502
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,599
people will tell you different things. Do you think that

503
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:28,400
these beings who have evolved themselves maybe millions of years

504
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,000
more advanced than us, are they good or bad? Is

505
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,160
that I know, it's kind of like just painting it

506
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,119
black or white, and that may even be a little

507
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:40,279
bit nuanced and hard to say. But from your studies,

508
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,839
are they good guys or are they bad guys? Or

509
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:44,640
are they just neutral? What do you think?

510
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,119
Speaker 4: I think they're definitely good guys. And as you again,

511
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,119
it's a personal thing that I've never had anything about. However,

512
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,599
if we'll use go back to the analogy of the

513
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:04,079
stack of records, If you imagine evil is on the outside,

514
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,279
no such thing as the devil, but evil does exist,

515
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,119
and there are evil spiritual lower vibrations that obviously affect us.

516
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,759
If you imagine evil is the edge. And then each

517
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,880
of those grooves on the record on which have a

518
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,200
plane your own, whichever record or one you or you're

519
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,839
experiencing at this moment, each groove is a life and

520
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,839
a life experience by you to move towards the center,

521
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,799
and the whole in the center is purity. Now some

522
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,720
will call it God, they call it what you like.

523
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,519
But at the end of the day, religion has nothing

524
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,799
to do with it, because all for the same for everybody.

525
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:45,960
Whether you believe it or not, is irrelevant. It's the

526
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,079
same distance to the center, and it's the same amount

527
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,599
of learning that we all have to go through. And

528
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,200
this is where you've just touched on it. Where I

529
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,920
believe et is for want of better, better than others,

530
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,079
because they've advanced spiritually as well. So they will be

531
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,440
obviously near of the center. They might be ten records

532
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,160
higher up in the stacker than we are, but they

533
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,880
still have the same journey. And that's why it's this,

534
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:16,559
as you said, I believe the same, this universal law

535
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:21,759
of do no harm. One of the things that Calvin

536
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Parker and Charlie Hickson, their pastor google when they were

537
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,920
abducted and they put them back, and Calvin got the

538
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,119
voice in his head, was we meant you no harm,

539
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,240
you know? And it's again, is it that sort of

540
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:41,640
thing where if we were looking at a nature thing

541
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,000
and we're looking and we put nets up and catch

542
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,519
birds or bats, and we look to see what the

543
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,079
numbers are and what weight they are, are they healthy?

544
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Are they doing that day?

545
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: And they tied them and will let them go? Is

546
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:56,759
this exactly the same, but obviously at a much higher level.

547
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,079
Speaker 1: So again you go back and it's not necessarily a

548
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,240
bad thing, right I mean, now, to that to that

549
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,680
bird or to that bat, they're terrified. They think they're

550
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,079
about to die and then it's almost like a near

551
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,039
death experience because then now they're free, and oh my god,

552
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,359
I thought I was going to die. I got to

553
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,960
tell everybody, you know, these people grab me and you

554
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,839
know they they're writing books and selling scripts to movies

555
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,400
and you know that kind of thing, say the same scenario.

556
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are other things that are pointers that we

557
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,440
know that they use. Are in my opinion that the

558
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,599
point is that they use the electromagnetic spectrum. The first thing,

559
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,839
which is quite obvious, is you will get people that

560
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,039
see even going back to the nineteen fifties, and we've

561
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,680
constantly had sightings where they've been seen on radar, but

562
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,440
you can't see them with the eye or you can

563
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,799
see them. I mean, we've even had them over the

564
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,960
airfield where people could look out of the control tone

565
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,119
and see them, but they didn't appear on the radar.

566
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,680
And it's just they're not like that frequency. They're at

567
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,760
a different place. And it's the same constantly throughout that

568
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,159
and it's all to do with the magnetic frequency. There

569
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,440
was the Gaffney incident in the US where there was

570
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:21,280
different a lot of different people, including the police, saw

571
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,039
a number of sightings over this night, and part of

572
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,400
it was a young couple that had parked up and

573
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,800
I don't know whether they're having a domestic or whether

574
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,480
it was the other end of the scale, but they

575
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,000
were parked up and they saw initially the outline of

576
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,199
a disc shaped craft coming towards them. So they were

577
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,880
both like, oh my god, look at this. And as

578
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000
it came towards them, it solidified and became real, which

579
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:48,280
something would because if you think about it, they're on

580
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,559
their infrared spectrum as they come down through our magnetic

581
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,679
frequency into our visible light. But what it did was

582
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,159
as it came through the shrubbery and the trees in

583
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,039
front of them, the trees burst into flames, which they

584
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:07,719
would if degenerating heat through the infrared frequency. Now, this,

585
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:12,360
as it materialized, suddenly shot off into the distance and

586
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,360
was gone, but left the trees and shrubbery on fire.

587
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,280
They called the police, called the fire service, which duly

588
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,840
turned up. The fire service put the fire out. The

589
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,199
police took a statement know the evidence whatsoever. And again,

590
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,360
as one of my colleagues, Paul Sinclair say with his

591
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:34,320
series of but truth Proof, it's the truth that leaves

592
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,760
no proof because it's not on our frequency, it doesn't

593
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,360
connect because they're coming down to our level for whatever reason,

594
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:46,480
just for that time. So that's when we see them,

595
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,599
and then they've gone back up to their own frequency

596
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:53,440
and it's gone, and it's the same or the same

597
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:58,920
of the paranormal. And you often get people who say

598
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,199
if they see something, whether it be paranormal, and we've

599
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,480
even had it with cryptids, people seeing dog Man, people

600
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:12,920
seeing mothman, people seeing Bigfoot or sasquatch, and they say,

601
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,920
I was absolutely terrified. And that is because when you

602
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,679
get that frequency coming down to you, to our level,

603
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,800
it's where, if you like, we have these geographical locations

604
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,440
all over the world where, if you like, the veil

605
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:33,159
is thing because the two records, the two frequencies are

606
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,760
almost touching. So for argument's sake, in the States, you've

607
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,119
got lots of them. But skin Walker Ranch, I would say,

608
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:43,480
is the more famous. And when people get this, they

609
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:47,119
get this intense fear. And I think that's because on

610
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,719
a spiritual level, your soul nose, you're entering an area

611
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,280
and a frequency where it should be and so you

612
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,840
get this where in human terms, on our playing on

613
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,440
a chemical level, you get the fight off light syndrome.

614
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,480
If you're in a stressful situation on a spiritual level,

615
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,199
you can get this intense fear. And we've had reports

616
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,559
on that from the paranormal, from seeing spirit from crypsids

617
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:18,360
and seeing big Foot from UFOs and the abductions the same.

618
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,760
And it's because of that, because of the change in frequency,

619
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,760
that's what you pick up on what's the soul picks upon.

620
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,239
If you're like, does that make sense?

621
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it does, And yeah it is scary, you know,

622
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,519
seeing something for the first time that starts you when

623
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,880
you're not prepared or what it's going to look or

624
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,800
you know, feel like. I mean, for me, there was

625
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,760
a lot of fear there too, because of all of

626
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,639
the movies that I watched in the in the nineties

627
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,960
about abduction and communion, and most of them were like

628
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,079
you know, fire in the Sky like horror horror movies essentially.

629
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,400
But with those movies, they are beautiful UFO movies too,

630
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,119
you know that are out there that don't you know,

631
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,159
get as much attention. But for me, when I begin

632
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,119
to see a lot of I've seen a lot like

633
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,760
sometimes when they come down low, I still get scared,

634
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:13,239
you know, thinking I'm going to get inducted and taken away,

635
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,000
even even though it's something that I'm trying to facilitate

636
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,280
through thought, through prayer, that kind of thing. And that's

637
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,920
one thing I want to touch on as well. Ask

638
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,920
you about the CE five initiative contact of the fifth

639
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:30,880
kind where you actually contact them and ask them or

640
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,360
summon them kind of thing. Right, so if they can

641
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,119
read our thoughts and they pick up on that frequency.

642
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,280
You know, there's a huge movement of people who are

643
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,639
going out to open fields and asking for a sighting,

644
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,800
asking for the ships to come in, for the beings

645
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,679
to come in that have our greatest good in mind.

646
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,400
I'm asking you to show up in all of these

647
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,199
people getting together on one accord, lifting up this thought

648
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,840
and they're having encounters and experiences. What are your thoughts

649
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:00,480
on that of us being able to contact them through

650
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,760
through a telepathic communication that actually works both ways, that

651
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,320
they can send stuff to us, but we can say, hey,

652
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,239
I know you're out there. Can you move these clouds

653
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,719
or just fly by or something? You know? What are

654
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,239
your thoughts on the CT five initiative?

655
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, excellent, simply because that is a that is the

656
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,559
direction we should be going in. If there's so much

657
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,679
more advanced than us. They're spiritually more developed than we are.

658
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,119
We need to move ourselves up a record or to

659
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,639
we need to lift our vibration. So by doing that,

660
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,920
by having this you see, that's the other thing where

661
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,559
this see five initiative would work because they can see

662
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,639
the intention behind it. They can pick up on the

663
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,000
intention behind it. They know, so it's easy for them.

664
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,559
I believe that there are many different types of et

665
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,000
That's why you get some that are good and some

666
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,159
that are not so good, some that would treat us.

667
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:01,000
I think they're all benevolents. Have there been any, if

668
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:05,239
you like, malevolent intention behind it, we would have been

669
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,039
long gone years millions of years ago. We wouldn't have

670
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,480
you know, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean. And at

671
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:17,000
the end of the day, going back to that universal law,

672
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,760
everything has to be done by your own effort, and

673
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,840
that is the same they are leaving us to see

674
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,000
if we have the wherewithal within us to lift our

675
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,559
vibration and become a better race than we currently are.

676
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,440
So one other thing that just struck them while we

677
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,079
were talking about that. That again going back to the

678
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:43,880
electromagnetic spectrum, that explains something that abductees or even just

679
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000
experiences and people with sightings get and this is true

680
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:51,599
with the both upananormal and cryptid as well. Is the

681
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:56,719
absolute silence. And people often say there was no sound

682
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,760
at all, there were nothing, and then I became scared.

683
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,800
And we get that quite frequently, we get that a lot,

684
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,480
and I think again, that is because you are in

685
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:10,119
that zone the oss effect, if you like, on that

686
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,119
zone where the two levels are meeting, and because you're

687
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:18,000
on that level, you inadvertently, if you like venturing onto

688
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:22,159
another plane, onto another record, onto another frequency. So because

689
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,199
you're entering this other frequency, suddenly you're not where you

690
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,480
can hear anything because you're on a different one. And

691
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:33,559
that is why people often report I couldn't hear anything,

692
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,719
and there were no background hum of traffic, there were

693
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,360
no wind, there were no birds in the trees, or

694
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,800
it's suddenly gone silent. It's suddenly gone silent because you

695
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,639
are entering this zone. You are getting close. And for me,

696
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,119
that is one of the things where you see these

697
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:54,400
big foot expeditions and things like that, where people say

698
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,920
it's suddenly gone quiet, I can't hear anything, and that

699
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,280
is because they're entering that zoom, that little pocket of

700
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,079
energy that's on a different level, so they can't do

701
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,079
anything because it's not on their frequency. Does that make sense?

702
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that space in between. Yeah, it's weird, like

703
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,360
you know people, I feel like people into that state

704
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,559
in in other ways too, when when trauma happens and

705
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:29,719
you know, there there's this children who kind of get

706
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,480
lost in staring in their imagination and they're just hey,

707
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,960
I'm talking to you, and they're somewhere else. It's almost

708
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,599
like even though that person's talking to them, they're not

709
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,360
you know, their I guess their mind is is somewhere

710
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,039
else too. It. So there's almost like a place that

711
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:50,119
we can you know, tap into the in between by

712
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,000
the means as well. And uh and is it spiritual?

713
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,320
Very much could be with with our imagination and our

714
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,159
thoughts and our will almost drifting in between those realms.

715
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 4: And the younger children don't have those pre conceived ideas

716
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,239
that we have, so we they're more open to it,

717
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,320
you know than we are.

718
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good for everybody watching on YouTube, periscope, Facebook,

719
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,400
wherever you are. Make sure you guys click the light button,

720
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,239
click that thumbs up because it's definitely proven to send

721
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,639
this stream out to more people and get in front

722
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,400
of more eyes when you click that thumbs up, So

723
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,400
make sure y'all go ahead and do that. And also

724
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,159
we're going to open it up for questions too, So

725
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,440
if anybody would like to join the stream and ask

726
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,880
our guest today a question, make sure you do that.

727
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,920
The link to join is in the patreon there that's

728
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,639
linked on the YouTube and in the comment section. So

729
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,679
if you're a patron, one of the things you get

730
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,320
to do is jump in and ask questions. So let

731
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,320
me know if you guys have any and I will

732
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,519
try to ask them for the guests and open up

733
00:43:55,519 --> 00:44:00,960
the zoom now. So it's going to be good for somebody,

734
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,960
you know, I say somebody. There's a lot of people

735
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,159
who never have an encounter like this. They go their

736
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:13,880
whole life they don't believe, they don't believe in the supernatural,

737
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,719
they don't believe in the metaphysical, they don't believe in

738
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,519
UFOs and aliens. They've never experienced it. But then you

739
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,880
have other people like, once you have that first encounter,

740
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:28,880
then it's a lifelong journey of supernatural I've had so

741
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,280
many it's hard to keep count at this point when

742
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:36,719
my neighbor could not even experience anything. What do you

743
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,280
think that is? Do you think that that first, maybe

744
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,880
even random experience just opens you up energetically to look

745
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,400
for patterns and to see things that are beyond a veil.

746
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,559
I feel like that's what happened for me, and I'm

747
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,280
doing this, you know, like I said, for a living now.

748
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,559
It's something that happened to me at four shadow beings

749
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,800
coming into my room as a toddler, and that stuck

750
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,000
with me to ask the bigger questions and to get

751
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,239
clear on what it was and see if it's happened

752
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,320
to anybody else. And it's just kind of, you know,

753
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,480
launched me into this life where I've always been, into

754
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:16,159
the paranormal, metaphysical, UFOs, the occult, all of it. And

755
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,079
I feel like the imagination in this world, the way

756
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,880
it works is you find what you're looking for. Do

757
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,039
you think it's a random spur of the moment experience

758
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:32,119
that just opens up a lifelong pursuit in this field

759
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:33,599
or what do you think the difference is?

760
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,639
Speaker 4: I think the difference is we're all on this journey,

761
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,679
all on these grooves of the record, endeavoring to reach

762
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,239
the center, and you have to do it by your

763
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,880
own effort. So if you go back to your aora,

764
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:51,119
your personal vibration and your personal frequency, that may not

765
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,880
be the lesson that they're on. And therefore everybody's on

766
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,719
their own own groove, their own lesson they have to do.

767
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:02,119
And for some people it's more spiritual, for others it isn't.

768
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,119
Someone won't be ready yet, and some will have done

769
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,639
it but need to do and experience other things. So

770
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,760
it's not always detrimental, but it's like a constant learning

771
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,880
thing that I believe we all have to go through,

772
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,599
and we different I think that I, like you, I

773
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,039
was fortunate to experience many different things when I was younger,

774
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,559
and that opens your mind to think, wow, there's obviously

775
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,239
much more than I I could go to. I mean,

776
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,159
I experienced spiritual healing and I've never done it before

777
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,440
and I've never done it since. I mean, I can

778
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,639
tell the listeners that story if they wish. That was

779
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,320
quite mind blowing up the time.

780
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,119
Speaker 1: We definitely have a lot of people into that and

781
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,159
as well.

782
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: So sure, yeah, well I was brought up I was

783
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,519
initially would you believe I was dedicated to Methodist I

784
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:03,880
was brought up quite strict Church of England, Baptized Church

785
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,239
of England. And then we moved. When we moved and

786
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,760
I was eleven years old and we moved to the

787
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,400
new home. We moved to within about fifty yards away

788
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,639
from the local Spiritualist church, and one of my father's

789
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,840
work colleagues went there broke to my father in and

790
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,239
then that was it. So I was named Spiritualist as well.

791
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,760
Now as especially as I got older. As a teenager,

792
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,039
we didn't go regularly. We weren't church I as teenagers,

793
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,559
we weren't church goers, you know, weddings and funerals and

794
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:36,119
that sort of thing, but we didn't go every Sunday.

795
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,079
And I never went to any circles or didn't know

796
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,840
anything about that. So as I'm growing up through my

797
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,760
teenage years, I'm trying to find out about UFOs and

798
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,639
read books and get information about that. On one day,

799
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:52,400
I'm walking past the church to go meet some friends

800
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,440
and this this old guy stood outside having a cigarette

801
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,920
in a brown three piece suit, and it's just said, Paul,

802
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,239
and I didn't know this guy, and you said, have

803
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,920
you got a minute? Yeah, I walked over to him,

804
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,280
because you do expect him. You do have this trust

805
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,840
way to your elders, and you thought it was a

806
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,920
good guy. And I walked up to him and said

807
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:16,400
just a minute. And he got this strappy bit of

808
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,199
paper out of his pocket and then he wrote something

809
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,519
on me and he showed me and there was the

810
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:25,880
three letters UFO and he says, I've just been told

811
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,320
by spirit to show you this and tell you you're

812
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,199
thinking along the right lines. And it was like, I mean,

813
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,280
I don't think i'd even spoken a word at this point,

814
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,679
and I was like, whoa. He says, I want you

815
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,519
to go or they've been told you. I want you

816
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,280
to go and see Betty. Now, my father went and

817
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,719
spoke to him afterwards. I was spoken, and he said, yeah,

818
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,440
I know Betty. This is where she lives. So I

819
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,800
go and see this Betty. And she said she turned

820
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,599
out to be an old medium from the church, and

821
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,679
she said, I want you to go and see a

822
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,719
lady called Pearl. And I can't remember a surtain name,

823
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,639
but she had this sur name. And I actually went

824
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,360
to school with a daughter now as a sort of

825
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:11,400
fifteen year old sixteen year old, This fifteen sixteen year

826
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,639
old girl was quite a fit, young girl, nice to look,

827
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,280
cute girl. And I'm thinking, oh, this has got this

828
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,840
is good. So I said, yeah, okay, I'll go see Pirl. Anyway,

829
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,960
I goes to Sea Pel she lived just in the

830
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,920
next village, not far away. Get the local bus service

831
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,320
because I was only a teenager that young go to

832
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,760
Sea Pearl. Knock on the door and the house is

833
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,880
in complete darkness. All the windows, all the curtains are closed.

834
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,440
And she opens the door, and I find out that

835
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,920
her daughter, unfortunately wasn't going to be there. Follow her

836
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,239
into the house and then it was like somebody took

837
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,039
over my body. I saw, the only way I can

838
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:56,800
describe it, nothing bad. And I followed this Pearl into

839
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,239
she closed the door, followed her into this quite a

840
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,159
large lounge, and she'd got this carver dining chair upright

841
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,920
chair in the middle of the room, and she walked

842
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,280
straight towards it and sat down in front of me.

843
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,679
And it was like somebody else was inside me, moving me.

844
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,400
And I moved straight up to the back of her.

845
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,920
I put my hands on her shoulders, and as I

846
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,639
put my hands on the shoulders, she starts saying a

847
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,519
prayer not long and then I mean, if you had

848
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:29,079
filmed this, it was quite bizarre. But I put one

849
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:32,159
hand just above the top of her head and the

850
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,199
other hand up to the ceiling. So I'm stood in

851
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,199
this weird position like some traffic officer out beyond patrol

852
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,519
giving direction travel with my hand just above her head.

853
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,880
And then I felt this electrical current, physically felt it

854
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,800
like somebody switched their power on, and it came down

855
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,000
from somewhere into my arm, out through the other arm,

856
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,440
and into the top of this pearl's head. And I

857
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,519
physically felt it the vibrant So then as a teenager,

858
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,199
I'm thinking, I don't move, I don't do anything. I

859
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,159
don't think whatever spoiled what was happening. And I could

860
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:13,119
feel this vibration and then after literally only a minute,

861
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,400
it stopped, and I physically felt it just turned up finished,

862
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:20,519
and she knew it had finished, and I just put

863
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,440
my hands, rested my hands back on her shoulders, and

864
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:25,719
then she just stood up, smiling and looked at me,

865
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,920
and she said, you certainly hide your light under a bushel.

866
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,960
And that was it. And it turned out this lady

867
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:36,800
suffered with quite debilitating migraines and had been in bed

868
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,400
for like a week at a time and couldn't stand

869
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,559
the lights or anything, and she just threw the curtains open,

870
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,440
put the ketle on, and ten minutes later I'm walking

871
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:48,840
back out the front door, thinking what the heck just happened,

872
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,360
you know. And afterwards, obviously when I saw this Betty, afterwards,

873
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,880
it was retrospectively. I was allowed to experience how things

874
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,159
should be. I belie, you know, what can happen and

875
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,480
how we should behave and now we should be able

876
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,320
to understand things. And it was just I was that,

877
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,480
can't do it if you're like That allowed me to

878
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:13,320
experience it, to sort of say, there's a lot more

879
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,639
goes on than you know about.

880
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: You know.

881
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 4: It was quite amazing at the time. Wow, I've never

882
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,119
done it before or since.

883
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: Wow, it seems like you would try to, you know,

884
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,599
recreate it, you would try it again, you know, like

885
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,519
you know, and so you haven't. You haven't tried it.

886
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:35,599
You know. Maybe you're a spiritual healer and you used

887
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:36,599
to do it for more people.

888
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well maybe we all have this latent ability within ourselves.

889
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,920
It's just how to go about it. I mean, my

890
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:48,599
wife is quite poorly at the moment with arthriters, but

891
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,719
I can't just turn it on.

892
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, you could try. You know. I

893
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,559
feel like you know, I was, you know, that's how,

894
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:03,280
that's how, that's how miracles happened, right, You feel like

895
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,599
you were used for a miracle and to send and

896
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:10,599
transfer energy and to channel that energy as well from

897
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,639
that source, as you said, the center of the record,

898
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,159
that piece of divine love which is everyone's connected to.

899
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:20,880
They just don't know it or they don't know how

900
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,559
to receive it. And so you become a channel for

901
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:28,480
that for other people. And you already do that obviously

902
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:33,599
by obviously your profession. What you chose to go into

903
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:38,239
the medical field to help people and then to you know,

904
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,480
help people who are having a hard time understanding what's

905
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:46,039
going on with uphology and supernatural paranormal experiences, which can

906
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:52,039
marginalize you quick quickly. You become the laughing stop, You

907
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,000
become a black sheep, You become you called a crazy person.

908
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,800
You know, people going around telling you that UFOs telepathic

909
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,719
telepathically municate with them. That you're not going to be

910
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:06,000
asked to come over to a lot of family gatherings

911
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:09,039
and and and luncheons. You know if that's who you are.

912
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,320
But but but the more we talk about it, the

913
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,079
more we put it out there, it becomes more accepted,

914
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:17,880
and it becomes and it creates this ground where people

915
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:23,199
feel comfortable sharing their odd encounters and stuff. And so

916
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,480
obviously you're that that that's a form of healing for sure,

917
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,320
that that you're doing, and I definitely come in that

918
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:32,119
and it helps a little goes a long way too.

919
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,519
Speaker 4: One of the other things which many listeners may may

920
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:43,719
have experienced is being able to fly. Now, I've done

921
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,559
this numerous times in the middle of a dream.

922
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: States like, I've been having a lot of dreams about flying.

923
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,159
So I want to hear this.

924
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:57,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was flying and I could see the

925
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,760
frequency of everything. Yeah, I've and we're talking about the

926
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,559
magnetic frequencies earlier. And I can remember flying over this

927
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,880
place and a lady had fallen and she'd hurt her ankle,

928
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,440
and I could see the damage on a magnetic frequency

929
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:16,039
sort of level. You could tell the frequency was wrong,

930
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:19,079
that there would damage there, and I just went straight

931
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:22,519
down to her. And because you understood what was wrong,

932
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:26,199
you could just correct the frequency, and that healed what

933
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,599
was wrong. And I can remember the color changed, it

934
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,960
was like from a blue to a purple in her ankle,

935
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,000
and then because it was back normal, and then I

936
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:41,239
just literally floated back up and flew away again somewhere else.

937
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:44,280
But I can remember I woke up shortly afterwards and

938
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:48,159
the profound sense of loss that I couldn't do that again.

939
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,239
It was like why can't I do And it was

940
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,079
really and I could remember it, and I can still

941
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:58,400
remember it now quite vividly, and it's like, why can't

942
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,880
we do this? Well, maybe we can do this, but

943
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:03,639
just not at the level we don't know.

944
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've had those dreams, you know, for sure,

945
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:14,639
and you know, being able to at least try. And

946
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,400
then here you are in your backyard trying to fly,

947
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,239
you know, trying to levitate, like again, like you, I mean,

948
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,920
you're always the crazy person until you can do it,

949
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,920
you know, until it happens, the first person to do something,

950
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,039
you know. But obviously there there's reports of, you know,

951
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:37,239
Catholic priests who were levitating around the cities. The movie

952
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,719
The Flying Nun is supposedly based on a true story

953
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,840
where the woman had such a great faith that she

954
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,039
would levitate when she got excited. About her faith and

955
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,119
so much so that they had to tie her to

956
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,400
a chair and nail the chair to the floor. So

957
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,199
there's all of these stories in antiquity, if you would,

958
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,800
but they seem to be forgotten, and you know, it's

959
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,719
left to the movies, but I feel like it's it

960
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:05,880
the movies contained, like what's possible, Like you start seeing

961
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,320
stuff in the movies that that go deeper that came

962
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,719
from some religious text or some ancient stories that people

963
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,599
think that the script was made up by that director

964
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,400
or or writer, but those stories and the spirituality connected

965
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,360
with it was embedded in some ancient holy books somewhere

966
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:28,199
or history book that was written down. And that's the

967
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,079
amazing thing whenever it comes to art and what's possible,

968
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,400
Like that's what a testimony is like, you know, you

969
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,920
don't know that it's true until you see someone doing it.

970
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,280
And now that they've done it, then you can revisit it,

971
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,960
recreate it, and teach other people how to do it.

972
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,320
But I've definitely had those dreams recently of pushing energy

973
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,719
to the to the earth and levitating and stuff, and

974
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,079
so maybe it's a maybe it's an ancient coling, you know,

975
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,480
to try it, you know, even when you're when you're

976
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,800
sharing just seeing the color stuff, you know, you know,

977
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,400
I do. I do practice prayer, laying on of hands

978
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,679
and healing and things like that, and it just seems

979
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:11,119
like a modality that that you would want to embrace

980
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,159
or try. If someone is having like pain in their ankle,

981
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,320
like you said, see see them as a color of healing,

982
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,800
whatever color that is. Some people can say they can

983
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,280
see ourus and then see the color that's off if

984
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,679
you can naturally see it, spiritual spiritually see it, or

985
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,480
if you have to imagine it, imagine the discoloration, imagine

986
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:39,039
it being red and then intuitively change that color back

987
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:42,920
to its natural state, back into alignment and resonance with

988
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,159
the body. And you're doing it with the imagination, but

989
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:48,400
you're connected spiritually. Again, you never know unless you try,

990
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,039
you know.

991
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,679
Speaker 4: Yep, that's good, very good. Yeah. I think that's parts

992
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,440
of the thing where it's part of I will growth

993
00:58:56,519 --> 00:59:01,039
on a personal level. You don't remember because you have

994
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,400
to do it by your own effort now, and it's

995
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,280
by raising your vibration now and raising the way that

996
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,519
you think and helping people. And that's that's how what

997
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:14,480
we should be doing. That's the direction we should be going.

998
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:20,559
Speaker 1: There's people out there I like the idea, but they say,

999
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:23,559
in order for us to take our place amongst the

1000
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:25,760
stars and the star brothers and the ets and that

1001
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,400
kind of thing, that the earth has to evolve to

1002
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,920
at least fifty one good and then it will be,

1003
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:35,960
you know, majority good then is evil. I think we're

1004
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,920
I think we've surpassed that though. I think I think

1005
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,960
the majority of people now are more intuitive or good

1006
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,920
who who are not trying to use and abuse others.

1007
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:49,559
And what would you say as a percentage of the

1008
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:57,480
earth that that, you know, maybe personally fifty good of

1009
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:59,960
themselves versus the other.

1010
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,679
Speaker 4: I think, But again it depends on personal circumstances and

1011
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,119
whether you have the ability and the strength within you

1012
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,280
to overcome, because we all have bad days and we

1013
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,719
all have good days, and as you know, in different

1014
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,000
circumstances when you meet people in different places, that happen,

1015
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,800
and you can meet people on a good day in

1016
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,440
the wonderful and then just get them wrong. And you know,

1017
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:27,159
but it's something that is exactly what we need to do.

1018
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,800
When you've said it's put on That is why I

1019
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,679
think we're getting more disclosure now than we ever have.

1020
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:36,320
I don't ever think we'll get full disclosure on the

1021
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,440
I'm talking on the UFO front here, because even with

1022
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:43,079
the latest report, they've only given us like from two

1023
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:47,920
thousand and four to twenty twenty one. So does that

1024
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,239
mean Betty and Barney Hill won't take abducted? Does that

1025
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,760
mean Travis Walton didn't have his experience? Does that mean

1026
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:57,159
money is them or you know, does that mean Roswell

1027
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,840
didn't happen. So there's a lot of good cases and

1028
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,679
things that happened in the past, and I think historically

1029
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:12,679
from the album going to say military driven, because the

1030
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,440
military were the people that were responsible for our safety,

1031
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,199
if you like, and because you get this national security

1032
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:28,519
and you know, was it under threat by ET or whatever?

1033
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,599
At the end of the day, I think had national

1034
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,239
security been in reality under threat, it would have happened

1035
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,960
years and years and years ago and we wouldn't have

1036
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,599
had a choice. But everything is by personal choice. So

1037
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,679
they're just leaving us silent money if you like, to

1038
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,960
fall foul by our own means, or get over it

1039
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,920
and improve and get over that fifty threshold by our

1040
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:56,239
own means. If that makes sense, and I think that's

1041
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,480
why we will never get full disclose because I believe

1042
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:05,639
it happened officially from sort of nineteen fifty two after

1043
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,880
the Washington, DC sightings where they came up with the

1044
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:19,360
very bizarre explanation of thermal you know, refractions and things

1045
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,400
like that, and you got people, I mean, you have

1046
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:23,880
to think nineteen fifty two wasn't that long after the

1047
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,039
Second World War, and you got a lot of people

1048
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:30,159
around DC that had just been d mob there were

1049
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:34,159
professional observers that had been pilots and being so when

1050
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:36,519
these people and you got there were hundreds of reports

1051
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,360
of people seeing UFOs over the Capitol and it was

1052
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,360
like that there was no way on god'serve was that

1053
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:48,039
a temperature inversion. You know, it was something that they

1054
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:50,239
had to try and cover up. And because of that,

1055
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,639
I think from that moment Tom then we got this

1056
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:59,320
if you're like aggressive debunking, where they tried to discredit people,

1057
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:01,920
they try to ridicule people, they try to make it

1058
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,519
look stilly. And that's why even to today now the

1059
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:09,559
mainstream media still have this if you're like end of

1060
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:12,960
news thing where oh and by the way, and they

1061
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,960
make it almost comedic sort of I think at the

1062
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,679
end of the news where somebody's seen something or somebody

1063
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:23,760
reports something. But having said that, I believe now it's

1064
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,159
getting more and more difficult to cover up because as

1065
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,840
you've seen things, I've seen things. I've got videos and

1066
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,239
photographs that have taken of unusual lights in the sky

1067
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,800
and things that happened. And because people have got now

1068
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:45,239
ever better and better cameras, they put it on mediums,

1069
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,559
put it straight out on the Internet. People can see

1070
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,039
and they can't control it. And because the authorities have

1071
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,800
got less and less control, they've got to sort of

1072
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,000
take the lid off the pressure cup, as it were,

1073
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,199
and just let bits of it as scary make people

1074
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,280
more aware that this is happening around them, without giving

1075
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,679
full disclosure, because I don't think we will ever have

1076
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,719
full disclosure.

1077
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're they're just releasing enough to say, yeah,

1078
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,000
we know what's going on, just so whenever the time

1079
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:20,719
is right or they have to, they can control the narrative.

1080
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,320
They can tell you what these things are versus like,

1081
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,199
you know, you talk to enough people, now you just start,

1082
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,800
you know, people will tell you what they are, versus

1083
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,360
waiting for the government to tell you what they are,

1084
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,480
because I think they're going to say that the opposite

1085
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:37,039
of what we've been saying. I think they're going to

1086
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:41,079
say that there are our enemies and they you know,

1087
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,920
want want to want to harm you and in those

1088
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:47,960
kind of things and you know, alien invasion that kind

1089
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,280
of stuff. How many So when it comes to sightings,

1090
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,440
right and you say you had your first one at

1091
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:57,840
at eleven, how many do you think you've you've had

1092
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:58,880
in your lifetime?

1093
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: Personally, probably I'll go somewhere between two and three dozen.

1094
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: That's a lie.

1095
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 4: I'd say around thirty.

1096
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,519
Speaker 1: Now it would this come from stargazing and night watching

1097
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:16,559
and looking or is this just spur the moment, Hey,

1098
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,119
there's one there kind of thing both.

1099
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,519
Speaker 4: Now, I always I always say look at the sky

1100
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:27,719
because people don't, especially with the modern sort of world

1101
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,599
that we live in now where people have got the

1102
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:31,440
phones and they like this on the heads down because

1103
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,760
they're looking at the phone and the messages.

1104
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:35,199
Speaker 1: And all they had to do is do this.

1105
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I do believe that they're around us all

1106
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,679
the time, and they do go through our frequency and

1107
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,639
we can see them. I've got photographs even in the

1108
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:52,239
middle of the daylight where And I'm not saying our

1109
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,440
new cell phones are any better than anything else. And

1110
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,920
trying to get them to focus on something with just

1111
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,599
a bright blue background of the night of the day

1112
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:04,360
afternoon sky is very difficult, you know, But I think

1113
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,280
it's something that more people would see if they were

1114
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:14,880
made more aware of it. And I'm not getting against people,

1115
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:20,079
because people are very materialistic, specifically just for looking after

1116
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:22,400
their own family, putting meals on the table and that

1117
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:26,639
sort of thing. So you become materialistically driven because you

1118
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,400
want that nice house, you want that nice gy, you

1119
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,199
want that security, and once you've got that security, and

1120
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,039
I think that's why you do get a lot of

1121
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:40,079
more elderly if you like investigators and people that are

1122
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:43,280
willing to put the neck out there because they're less

1123
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,400
bothered than about the materialistic side of things, and they

1124
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,000
do have more time to ask the questions and look

1125
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:54,119
at the sky and an experience and investigate the paranormal

1126
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:55,079
or whatever they want to do.

1127
01:06:56,039 --> 01:07:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you spoke of maybe energy sent there's

1128
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:05,599
and places that were ripe for these type of experiences.

1129
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,159
We just me and my family took a vacation to

1130
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:12,639
Arizona and we went to Sedona, and we went to

1131
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:16,840
Sedona and we went to Monument Valley and literally it's

1132
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,440
just like a highway. I'm looking at it like there's

1133
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,320
two traveling together. There's one going there. They're like everywhere.

1134
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,639
It's like, how can you not see them? The thing

1135
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,480
is you at this point, if you want to, you can.

1136
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,679
And literally that you said, like you said, just look up.

1137
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,079
For me, that was a big like awakening or rebuke

1138
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:44,159
even of like you know, they've been there the whole time,

1139
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:48,480
but I've been focusing on the natural and it and

1140
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:52,840
obviously for me it was like a analogy for just

1141
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,800
for spirituality, even like you're you're focusing on you know,

1142
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:01,239
the mundane in life and entertainment in your day to day,

1143
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,519
when all you had to do was look up, you know,

1144
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:06,119
and the scriptures are big on that. I just focus

1145
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:08,760
on the things above. Look to the heavens, look to

1146
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,199
the sky. It's that simple. And started seeing so many

1147
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,239
things that I feel like anybody can now. It takes time, right,

1148
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,199
It's not you can't just go out there one night.

1149
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,159
Hey man, I looked at it and see anything like

1150
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,880
there could be those nights as well, but there's other

1151
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:26,760
nights where there's a lot of traffic and a lot

1152
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,119
of stuff going on, and it only takes one one

1153
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,000
phenomena for you to see that just to blow your mind.

1154
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:36,479
And I've seen entire fleets. Have you seen fleets like

1155
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:38,800
like bunches of them?

1156
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:44,159
Speaker 4: Saw just literally I can't think of the day. But

1157
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:48,920
a few weeks ago we saw three that appeared. I

1158
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,520
saw one first, and then another one I paid at

1159
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,600
the side of it, and then another one to paid

1160
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,560
at the side of that a little way off, and

1161
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,479
then one disappeared, and then another disappeared, and I just

1162
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,800
managed to get a picture of them. Last one before

1163
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,119
that too disappeared and they were moving against the wind too.

1164
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:12,199
But there are movement. I'm changing tax lightly if I may,

1165
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,520
but the movement of UFOs. This is another thing that

1166
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,399
makes me laugh. On the last report, and they were

1167
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,079
on about they have limited data, so they want to

1168
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,199
analyze and they want to put more money at it

1169
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,720
and want to get more analytics and things. But at

1170
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:34,119
the end of the day, when you see a UFO,

1171
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,000
a lot of sightings that people will tell you and

1172
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,960
they say it was so bizarre, it was so audit

1173
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:45,479
was so different, it couldn't have been normal aircraft. And

1174
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,119
one of the things that I say is if you

1175
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:53,119
go back to the electromagnetic spectrum, where everything's done by thought,

1176
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,239
et could be a thousand years. I mean just look,

1177
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,319
just go back from where you were now in Alabama.

1178
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,640
One hundred years ago, nobody had a car. Really, if

1179
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,840
you went anywhere, you went on the new railroads, or

1180
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,359
if you were looky, you had a horse and that

1181
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was it. And if you wanted to get a message

1182
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,199
to anybody. And then look, one hundred years later, here

1183
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:20,880
we are. We've got our own cars, very comfortable, They've

1184
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,119
got every gadget and you can think of. You know,

1185
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,279
we can talk to each other instantly across the space.

1186
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,359
So imagine how far we could move it in another

1187
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:36,039
hundred years. Well we're talking et that maybe thousands of

1188
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:40,159
years in front of us. So it's perfectly plausible for

1189
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:44,239
the doubters out there that they can not only control

1190
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:47,079
the magnetic spectrum, as I've said, but being able to

1191
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:49,720
control it and manipulate it and use it every day

1192
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,439
like they do. So again with the people and experiences

1193
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,760
that we've had and investigators, they often will say everything

1194
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:06,600
was done by thought. So if something is controlled by thought,

1195
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,479
it's instant. So if you suddenly wanted to go down

1196
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,479
to the down to gulf breeze on holiday, you think

1197
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:19,000
a gulf breeze, but you're there. There's no physics behind it,

1198
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:22,039
because that's our physics. And you get they make me

1199
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,520
laugh when you get these people and they drag these

1200
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,880
scientists out of the woodwork and these other people that say, well,

1201
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,439
there were no flight surfaces and there was no heat

1202
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,399
plum and there was no rubbish. They're not using our physics.

1203
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,239
It's a complete thing. They're completely isolated in their own

1204
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:42,920
little pocketive energy, their own little pocketive universe, if you like.

1205
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,600
So they just think it and they go there's no

1206
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,239
such thing as speed, there's no such thing as g

1207
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,000
pos to them, that's how we perceive it. So that's

1208
01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:55,399
why they make these bizarre movements. Why they can stop suddenly,

1209
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,279
why they can suddenly go ten thousand miles an hour,

1210
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,000
why they can suddenly They didn't go through space, It

1211
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:03,720
can go through a normal atmosphere. They go through the

1212
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,199
lakes from the oceans because it's irrelevant to them. They're

1213
01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:09,800
not they're not there. They're in their own little pockets

1214
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,119
of energy. So they're not moving. It's only those that

1215
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:17,079
sees that movement throughout a piece of it, if you like.

1216
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,680
But they're not moving, they don't feel anything.

1217
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, there's a growing movement in you know,

1218
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:28,600
the metaphysic community and the spiritual community where you have

1219
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,760
a lot of people who are teaching the the science

1220
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:39,079
behind neurochemistry and manifestation and how to heal yourself with

1221
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:43,119
the mind and affirmations and things like that. When it

1222
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:45,479
comes when it comes to manifestation, it's a it's a

1223
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,680
huge topic right now. And you know, manifesting your reality,

1224
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:53,720
whatever you believe in will show itself to you. You

1225
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,239
start to see it if you speak it out, write

1226
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,640
it down, and then there's there's this manifestation that happens

1227
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,319
in the thing about it I believe in one hundred percent, right,

1228
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:08,199
and there's different levels to it. There's I don't understand

1229
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:12,720
is the time. Like sometimes there's instant like you put

1230
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,119
a thought out there, you speak it into existence, and

1231
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:17,760
then you get a phone call the same thing that

1232
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,239
you spoke like shows itself to you the same day.

1233
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,800
Other times it's a couple of weeks, a couple of years.

1234
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,560
I don't know if there's things that are harder or

1235
01:13:26,399 --> 01:13:29,279
or you know, more things have to actually line up

1236
01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:33,159
to bring it into our reality. And you use the mind,

1237
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,279
you use thoughts to do that. And it almost seems

1238
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:42,960
like the ets have mastered this manifestation through thoughts that yes,

1239
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:46,399
you can, you can travel by thought. You can you

1240
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,920
can create something of flower, an apple, anything, as long

1241
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,640
as you know what it is, you can create it

1242
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,439
by thought. It's you know, it's very interesting to think

1243
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,560
that if it's even people think that ets are us

1244
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,760
from you know, come back up, you know, thousands or

1245
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:10,359
millions of years, and so you know, mastering manifestation you know,

1246
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:15,000
by thought, which is an interesting, you know topic to

1247
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:15,479
think about.

1248
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I agree, And if you think about it,

1249
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,279
we're going back to the electromagnetic spectrum and having their

1250
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,479
ninety five percent on top of our five percent, but

1251
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,319
completely being able to understand it and use it and

1252
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:34,079
control it. It's just therefore it's like now we get

1253
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:39,880
these as another example the power of positive thinking. People

1254
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,840
with that and you manifest what you think. You know,

1255
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,560
it's the way and the intention behind your thoughts. So

1256
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,039
you get negative people will have negative I mean, I've

1257
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:52,359
got a neighbor that's so negative and she has so

1258
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,399
much bad luck, and it's like, yeah, because that's what

1259
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,479
you're putting out there, So that's what you're going to

1260
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,039
get back. Yeah, be good because to be happy, and

1261
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:04,560
that's what you'll get back. It's so simple, but it's

1262
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,159
getting to the stage where you can control that yourself

1263
01:15:08,279 --> 01:15:11,399
and how you think and how you know, how you

1264
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,520
conduct your life. Yeah.

1265
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,159
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we talk about healing and spirituality and

1266
01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:21,880
all that connected with uthology. When we think about Et

1267
01:15:22,079 --> 01:15:25,359
as in the movie Et, like Et was a healer,

1268
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,640
Like he had this ability for his finger to light

1269
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,800
up and heal people's wounds and scars and things. So

1270
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,800
you know, that's that's interesting too. We're talking about being

1271
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,399
able to heal people and tapping into that ability. Yeah.

1272
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,319
Speaker 4: Everything is energy, so everything is possible. It's just being

1273
01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:45,840
able to control the energy.

1274
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And do you think you think you do

1275
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:53,800
that with the thoughts or it starts an intention and

1276
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,600
then I feel like there I feel like there's a

1277
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,720
connection though with being able to push and pull energy

1278
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,880
with our with our hands and things as well versus

1279
01:16:03,119 --> 01:16:06,600
you know, a release the power of the breath, speaking

1280
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,079
it in those affirmations, because it's one thing just to

1281
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:13,520
think positive thoughts, it's another thing to speak positive thoughts

1282
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:18,560
and affirmations as well. It's it almost either amplifies it

1283
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,399
or creates it with the breath. You know, the Bible

1284
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,640
talks about the power of the breath, and God spoke

1285
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,720
things into existence and spoke this and that and this

1286
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,960
universe and planets and situations, and so we're kind of

1287
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,680
tapping into that same energy. Like, once you have the idea,

1288
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:36,039
now speak it out and now add breath to it

1289
01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:37,920
to bring it into this reality.

1290
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,159
Speaker 4: So what you're doing, if you think about it, then

1291
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:44,560
you're you're putting the intention behind it, but you're also

1292
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,840
putting with the breath and the other things. It's giving

1293
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,399
power to it by giving a different frequency, so you're

1294
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:57,439
giving it more energy. I'm no expert, believe me, but

1295
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,399
it's just over time, these things do come together and

1296
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,600
they do shape your thoughts and your ideas and how

1297
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,680
things move together. There are people out there that know

1298
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:12,840
farm more than I do. But it's it's just getting

1299
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,079
it all together to get into a bigger picture that

1300
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:18,800
people can understand and get handle on and sort of say, yeah,

1301
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,720
that works.

1302
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: M Yeah, and like I said, the more people share

1303
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:25,680
their stories and what's working, as long as they're honest

1304
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:28,880
with what's working and what's not working. And we're getting

1305
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,640
a lot of that. You just hold on to all

1306
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,600
the stuff that works, even from you know, religious tradition,

1307
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,960
like the stuff that works in your religion, Like I'm

1308
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,680
gonna I'm gonna try that, I'm gonna hang on to that.

1309
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,880
I'm gonna hang on to this from from over here

1310
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,479
in this tradition and and find out what's helping people

1311
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,279
and what's serving people versus dogma and all that kind

1312
01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:51,279
of stuff. And and people, people are advancing, people are learning,

1313
01:17:51,359 --> 01:17:56,760
becoming more spiritual, becoming more attuned and and more I

1314
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,680
think I say, more loving, more tolerant, you know, other

1315
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,239
PEFs and and all of this and so all of

1316
01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:05,600
that is us moving in the right direction to what

1317
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,159
people would call a sension. You know, we have to ascend,

1318
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:10,199
We have to reach a new level of consciousness, which

1319
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:11,159
is a level of love.

1320
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:14,159
Speaker 4: You know, yep, I agree on.

1321
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: Ye Well, Paul Man, I enjoyed this talk so much.

1322
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,960
I'm glad that that we were connected. We have to

1323
01:18:23,039 --> 01:18:25,720
do it again. Go ahead and let people know where

1324
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,880
they can they can follow your work and check out

1325
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,479
your book that that you wrote on this the subject

1326
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,520
and where they can follow you work.

1327
01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 4: At Sure, well, there you go. Can the guys see that.

1328
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: Yep, UFO's The Real Story by Paul Askoff.

1329
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 4: There you go, and it's available on Amazon, hid back,

1330
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:54,880
paperback ebook or audible. Uh, and it's there. I've got

1331
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:00,479
a small Facebook page called It's the Real Story where

1332
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,560
when I put my sightings on and photographs of taken

1333
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,439
and people ask me questions on there, and I'll put

1334
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:10,760
things on. It's just some way of keeping within the

1335
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,880
UFO community and adding my twopenneth, you know, and keep

1336
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,720
putting my bits in there. But there are some brilliant

1337
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,720
people and some brilliant authors and it's just a case

1338
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,159
of adding to it and eventually we'll get there.

1339
01:19:25,239 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you so much for what you're doing.

1340
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 4: Again.

1341
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this talk. And anytime you want to come

1342
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:31,840
back on, brother, just let me know.

1343
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for having me.

1344
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:40,399
Speaker 1: All right, many blessings, Paul ask Off, Ladies and gentlemen.

1345
01:19:43,039 --> 01:19:45,840
It's the subject people are looking into, people are asking questions,

1346
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:50,039
people are being open and honest about their stories. And

1347
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,800
I mean, what more can you ask for, right for

1348
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,399
people to share, you know, the things that are working

1349
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,880
for them and not suppressing it, not suppressing it, but

1350
01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:03,680
sharing it openly with people. And so again, all of

1351
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,520
my shows on euthology are topping the charts right now

1352
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,680
and getting the most views in the most streams every day.

1353
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:16,960
So I'm excited whenever we talk about this topic. It's

1354
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:19,600
very near and dear to my heart, and more people

1355
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:26,439
are getting into it. For many people, it's connected to spirituality, right,

1356
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:31,920
the UFO phenomena. For many people, it's their initiation. You

1357
01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:34,079
have a sighting and then it opened up so much,

1358
01:20:35,239 --> 01:20:38,039
so many more questions. You begin to ask the deeper questions,

1359
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:42,319
you know. I remember having doctor Michael Heizer on the

1360
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:47,319
show years ago, and he's a biblical scholar, but he's

1361
01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:49,800
into euthology, and he's breaking down the Bible and has

1362
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:54,479
some beautiful stuff on the gods of the Bible and

1363
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,960
breaking down words and spirituality in the Bible. But one

1364
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,479
of his big things is UFOs and the UFO phenomena

1365
01:21:03,039 --> 01:21:05,760
and breaking it down from a Biblical perspective. And I

1366
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,439
had them on and I asked them, I said, you

1367
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,640
know why do you, you know, being a biblical scholar,

1368
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,000
why are you going to like all of these UFO

1369
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:16,600
conferences and presenting your work there versus going to the

1370
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,720
churches and doing it, you know where like your main

1371
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,600
audience you know is And at the time, he said,

1372
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,119
it was because those people who are going to those

1373
01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:29,760
UFO conferences and listening to those podcasts, they are already

1374
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,159
asking the bigger questions. And so if I was to

1375
01:21:33,239 --> 01:21:35,720
go to church and start talking about UFOs at the time,

1376
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,560
most people, you know, call you a quack, or they

1377
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,840
don't want to hear it, or they're not open for

1378
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,039
that type of discussion and dialogue. So he found that

1379
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:47,920
in ufology in the spiritual community, they're already open to

1380
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,760
asking the bigger questions, and so he found us home there.

1381
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:57,359
But I say, now Christianity's changing for sure as far

1382
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:02,119
as being open for the conversation. There's a lot of

1383
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:05,199
this going on in the churches now where they're talking

1384
01:22:05,239 --> 01:22:09,399
about it, and someone like doctor Michael Heizer is doing

1385
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,600
a lot more stuff in churches, and myself being embraced

1386
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,520
more these days in the churches and the stuff that

1387
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,520
I've been bringing to the table for years. It hasn't

1388
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,960
switched up, but like the church has kind of evolved

1389
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,960
and caught up to begin to ask these questions and

1390
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:25,520
they had to. If you don't, you'll get left behind.

1391
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,000
And so but but I will say that when it

1392
01:22:29,039 --> 01:22:33,439
comes to euthology, uh, the majority of Christiendom, the majority

1393
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,439
of researchers will say, hands down that UFOs are demonic

1394
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,760
and UFOs are actual demons that want to possess you,

1395
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,520
and they fly around in little ships that you know,

1396
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,039
however they got them and they and they abduct people.

1397
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:54,600
But that's the difference within you know, Christendom, and not

1398
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,479
having a biased standpoint, but just being open for the information.

1399
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:01,640
And so that was one thing that I was able

1400
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,760
to appreciate because when I really got into euthology, it

1401
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,680
was definitely hours and hours and hours of listening, listening

1402
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,520
to Christians across the board say that their demons, their demons,

1403
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,319
their demons. And then I would find weird scriptures and

1404
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:18,359
I would find different testimonies where people were having beautiful

1405
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:21,359
encounters and it sounded angelic. It's like, hold on, these

1406
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,920
could they be angels? And I would hear some people

1407
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,880
allude to some stuff where maybe it could be and

1408
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,159
then I just began to open up and listen to

1409
01:23:29,319 --> 01:23:31,760
people who I felt weren't biased and it were just

1410
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:34,560
people who didn't have some type of agenda or something

1411
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:39,359
to prove. And that's when stuff started connecting for me

1412
01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:44,159
and I started having my own experiences. So you have

1413
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:46,479
to be open, you know, you have to be open

1414
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,279
for it. And even now again with the churches are

1415
01:23:50,399 --> 01:23:54,119
saying a lot more and embracing the conversation, seeing a

1416
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:57,119
lot on TikTok all of these you know, the government

1417
01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:02,920
is coming clear about UFOs, but these things are interdimensional

1418
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:05,840
in demons, and they're like, ah, these Christians are like

1419
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:11,760
pushing this fear, you know, narrative and agenda and it's

1420
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,800
totally not the case. Again though, just like we said,

1421
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,359
the power of the mind, the power of thought, whatever

1422
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,359
you believe, will show itself to you. And you begin

1423
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,279
to find connections and synchronicities all about these demons that

1424
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:27,279
fly around in spacecraft. You begin to watch those movies,

1425
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:30,079
you begin to be led to those type of podcasts

1426
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:32,880
and even books, and you fill your mind and your

1427
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:38,279
imagination with this agenda, right, and you become biased. You

1428
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,840
have a preconceived notion versus just looking at all of

1429
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,439
the information and then make an assessment. I'm big on

1430
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:50,560
that right now. Where people will just listen to one

1431
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,680
side of a preacher or a sermon that says stay

1432
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,960
away from this. It's really big right now. When we

1433
01:24:57,039 --> 01:25:00,119
talk about the Kundalini, you know, and that's kind of

1434
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:03,079
a buzzword and a scary word for many Christians. The

1435
01:25:03,159 --> 01:25:07,159
Kundalini's a demon spirit as well. You know, everything is

1436
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:11,279
a demon, marine demons, there's demons that live in the ocean. Like,

1437
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,720
everything's demonic. And it's selling right now because people are scared.

1438
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:19,039
You know, I don't it's crazy, but I don't believe

1439
01:25:19,079 --> 01:25:23,159
in it, but it's selling. So you have to when

1440
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:27,840
it comes to research, got research both sides. Listen. I'm

1441
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,880
cool with you listening to your pastor and listen reading

1442
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,880
the Christian authors who say all all UFOs and experiences

1443
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:37,560
are demonic and demons and they want to abduct you

1444
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,640
and kidnap you. Fine, like that's cool if you listen

1445
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:44,000
to that, but you have to go to the source.

1446
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:46,000
You have to go to the other other side of

1447
01:25:46,039 --> 01:25:50,960
the research. I use. You know many authors that people

1448
01:25:51,119 --> 01:25:53,960
just demonize because of one quote. And I've been talking

1449
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,840
about this Blovatsky or Manly p Hall, who have some

1450
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:02,520
pretty you know, far out writings that can be scary

1451
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,760
if taken out of context. And I've noticed a lot

1452
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,359
of people, including myself, would like take them out of

1453
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:14,319
context and judge their entire catalog on like one sentence,

1454
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:18,039
one sentence and even taking it out of context. And

1455
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:22,199
I've seen people who have lashed out at me about

1456
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:25,319
what so and so believes so because they even if

1457
01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:28,199
they did believe it, and it's you know whatever, like

1458
01:26:28,319 --> 01:26:34,239
you're just gonna discredit their entire catalog of work and

1459
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,479
and the good and the beauty that they've brought to

1460
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,560
the table because something scared you. And Blovotsky for me,

1461
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:46,000
was a perfect scenario just because I even judged her

1462
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,000
or she's just be careful. She's a Charlatan, she was

1463
01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:51,239
a Satanist. You hear all kind of weird stuff, and

1464
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:53,600
at the same time, she's really none of those, you

1465
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,720
know what I'm saying. So for me being able to

1466
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,199
go back to her work recently and read it for

1467
01:27:00,279 --> 01:27:04,439
the first time, like to make an assessment on somebody

1468
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:08,720
that I've never read their work, I never really read

1469
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,159
Blovotski's work. I may have seen some stuff online. I

1470
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:13,600
may have watched a couple of documentaries. See what other

1471
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,079
people have said, people trying to expose her. Stay away

1472
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,159
and all this kind of stuff. Get a book and

1473
01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:24,199
read the book. Make an assessment. You got to everybody's

1474
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:29,199
like again with the Kundalini conversation, Like people are listening

1475
01:27:29,279 --> 01:27:33,720
to these pastors and these you know, demonologists on YouTube

1476
01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:36,720
telling you what the Kundalini is and what it is

1477
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,359
and why you should be afraid, and you stay away

1478
01:27:39,399 --> 01:27:41,600
from yoga because yoga is going to get you possessed

1479
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:46,039
by an Eastern demon that masquerades as the Holy spirit

1480
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:49,439
and tricks people called the Kundalini. And it's like just

1481
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:53,760
like agreed upon doctrine now, And they asked me, what

1482
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,560
do you think. I can give you my opinion in

1483
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:01,560
what I think, but you need to look up their teachings,

1484
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,239
Like go to some you know people who practice kunti

1485
01:28:04,319 --> 01:28:06,840
in the yoga and see what they say. No, they're

1486
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,960
just gonna lie to you. They're gonna they don't know

1487
01:28:09,039 --> 01:28:11,359
what it is because the truth behind it is the demons.

1488
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:12,199
Speaker 3: Man.

1489
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:15,359
Speaker 1: You're you're already setting yourself up for failure. You're just

1490
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,399
judging everything finger pointing. If you're gonna listen to your

1491
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,199
pastor who tells you hands down that this is what

1492
01:28:22,359 --> 01:28:26,079
it is, and you just believe it because he's done

1493
01:28:26,119 --> 01:28:30,960
his research. He used to be a yoga instructor, and

1494
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:34,760
now he's not because of Jesus. Like you gotta go

1495
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:38,560
to somebody who's for it. Read both sides. Man. I

1496
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:43,399
cannot stress that enough. Talk to the person, figure out

1497
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:47,840
what they believe, Ask them what they believe, Ask them

1498
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:54,159
what they believe, and they'll probably tell you. You know,

1499
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:00,199
I'm gonna jump to the chat here. Stargate says, there's

1500
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:04,479
a demon in every bush. Yeah, demon in every bush.

1501
01:29:05,279 --> 01:29:09,520
It's popular attempting to even get into it. You know,

1502
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,640
I love demonology. I believe in lower level entities and

1503
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,880
all that. But by here scaring folks and talking about

1504
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,640
and making folks are making up demons. They're making up stuff. Now,

1505
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:28,640
the marine Demons. Bob Larson just put out a video

1506
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,680
Marine Demons. Heard a God do a teaching on how

1507
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,319
the waters are demonic and how God like all the

1508
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,000
fish in the grotesque beings and monsters and demons are

1509
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:44,880
in the water, and they're marine demons and mermaid demons,

1510
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:48,279
and it's all kind of just weird stuff that you're

1511
01:29:48,319 --> 01:29:51,359
making up. You really ain't got no biblical proof for it,

1512
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,439
and you really ain't got no ancient proof for it

1513
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,760
out of any text that there's demons like you know,

1514
01:29:57,199 --> 01:29:59,439
like all the fish are demonic and demons are in

1515
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:03,000
the this craziness, but it sells. Man. You got to

1516
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:07,119
make it up. You gotta have a gimmick. You gotta

1517
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:08,960
keep making it up so you can you can win

1518
01:30:09,079 --> 01:30:11,439
the people. You can't give them something that they can

1519
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,960
trace back because they can you know, see that you're lying.

1520
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,119
Valerie Ford says, you were speaking of healing. I saw

1521
01:30:19,159 --> 01:30:21,720
a reiki massage done on a person with aids that

1522
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:26,000
couldn't have a regular massage because of clotting. This man

1523
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:29,319
was pale before the reiki was administered. When they were done,

1524
01:30:29,359 --> 01:30:33,720
he was flushed and sweating red. They never touched his body.

1525
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:38,159
It was something I've never seen before. It was truly amazing. Yeah,

1526
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:40,840
you can push and pull energy, you know, the laying

1527
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,399
on of hands I feel in the biblical setting should

1528
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,680
even be done with pushing and pulling energy. You know,

1529
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,159
not to just put your hand on and ask for

1530
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,359
a healing, ask for angelic assistance, Yes, but for you

1531
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,199
to be trained in what it feels like to push

1532
01:30:56,279 --> 01:30:59,520
and pull with the laying on of hands and pulling

1533
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:05,119
sickness out of somebody, pulling, you know, sending positive energy

1534
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:08,760
and not just in a prayer, but you know, connecting

1535
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,800
the imagination and with your heart center, pushing and pull

1536
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,840
even with the breath, like I've seen it done with

1537
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:20,119
the breath, Like like sucking energy out of people just

1538
01:31:20,279 --> 01:31:22,920
by putting your hands on them and breathing into it,

1539
01:31:23,119 --> 01:31:26,239
like and seeing people get healed, seeing people manifest like

1540
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,119
spirits off of them that were you know, hurting them.

1541
01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:33,520
And I tap into the to the movies, this stuffs

1542
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,720
in all the movies. They didn't make it up. Like

1543
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:42,359
this stuff is out there, you know. Paul Wilcox says,

1544
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:47,279
UFO and occupants come from both higher and lower realms,

1545
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:54,000
just like good people, good people and bad people. Pheli says,

1546
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,319
I ain't scared, open up, have no fear. People are

1547
01:31:57,319 --> 01:31:59,880
going to judge what they don't understand, So stop judging.

1548
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,640
Love what you're saying. I hate that everything is a demon, yeah,

1549
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,000
you know, and it just sucks that it's the church

1550
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:09,640
that you know, they demonize everything that they don't understand,

1551
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,680
you know, anything new or anything that isn't biblical like

1552
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,600
or have a biblical reference. So you just got to

1553
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:22,319
use biblical reference with them. You know, everyone has a gimmick.

1554
01:32:23,039 --> 01:32:25,560
Look at the heart and the intent. Don't be so

1555
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:34,640
spiritual you have no common sense. Yep, I agree. So

1556
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:40,319
hope you guys enjoyed this talk. I love hearing these stories.

1557
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:46,439
And the more people we talk to, the more closer

1558
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,880
we come to the truth. Everyone has a piece of

1559
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:56,279
the puzzle. I think majority wins once you start asking

1560
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:03,600
people these questions and they share it and they don't

1561
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,079
have nothing to prove. It's just what it is. It

1562
01:33:06,199 --> 01:33:08,079
is what it is, take it or leave it. Judge

1563
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:11,399
me laugh, I don't care. Let your freak flag fly.

1564
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,079
It is what it is. Thank you guys for hanging

1565
01:33:14,119 --> 01:33:16,479
out tonight. We're gonna be doing the School of the

1566
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,479
Mystics and tonight it's gonna be fun. I've got a

1567
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,079
beautiful idea that I've been wanting to do and we're

1568
01:33:21,079 --> 01:33:22,439
gonna try it out for the first time. We're gonna

1569
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:27,439
be doing seer training. We're talking about the seer realm

1570
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,840
and how to see in the spirit, how to activate

1571
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,359
the spirit realm, and how to see through personas. And

1572
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:40,119
there is a technique that I want to do tonight

1573
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:41,720
with the community. So if you want to be a

1574
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,000
part of that, sign up on the Patreon and you'll

1575
01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:49,199
get that link that's at seven pm Central every Thursday night.

1576
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,680
That you get access to that by becoming a patron.

1577
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,279
So really looking forward to doing that tonight. We go

1578
01:33:56,359 --> 01:33:59,880
through courses together again. We do open dialogue, prayer, meditation

1579
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:02,279
and breath work all that, but tonight I want to

1580
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:07,680
focus on doing a collective on how to see how

1581
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:09,560
to see past personas.

1582
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 4: A man.

1583
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: The pieces demons make money. I can't tell you how

1584
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,159
many people I see offering to deliver you from evil

1585
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:22,399
for a fee. Yeah, it is. It's strange, like you know,

1586
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,960
finding finding balance in that you know and uh and

1587
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:30,039
whether it's you know, charging to deliver somebody versus telling

1588
01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:36,039
you like that you just got to stay bound up,

1589
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:42,920
that you can't get delivered unless you pay. So I

1590
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,159
get a lot of those those emails and stuff, and

1591
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,520
people want to do sessions. I offer one on one

1592
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:51,840
sessions for people for counseling for training, you know, if

1593
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:55,600
it is deliverance, that hasn't been much deliverance lately. But

1594
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,359
we also, you know, offer free stuff, and that's what

1595
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,800
I tell people. Make sure that you know you have

1596
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,640
something for free that you're offering. If you are going

1597
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,680
to be charging for something, all the information is out there,

1598
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,520
they have to just catch it on a live stream

1599
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,159
or whatever. So that's one thing about it. But yeah,

1600
01:35:13,239 --> 01:35:18,960
the demon thing is very strange. It's more popular in

1601
01:35:19,079 --> 01:35:23,199
Christendom than angels are. And there should be less demons

1602
01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:25,560
than there are angels. Right, if a third of what

1603
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,319
it was, a third of the angels fell and became

1604
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:32,840
falling angels and demons or whatever, like, there's more that

1605
01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:37,119
didn't fall and didn't leave their first the state and

1606
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:41,399
choose wickedness. So why all the talk about these lesser

1607
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,600
beings in these lesser experiences when we should be talking

1608
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,600
about the angelic? And so that's one thing that like,

1609
01:35:49,399 --> 01:35:52,800
even in the church settings, if you talk about demons,

1610
01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:55,880
like more people are prone to believe you, and yeah, yeah,

1611
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,920
I've had those encounters too, But when you talk about

1612
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,199
the angelic, there's a little bit of people being hesitant

1613
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:08,319
and maybe not believing you when that should be more so.

1614
01:36:08,399 --> 01:36:13,800
People are looking for demons behind every corner, in every bush,

1615
01:36:14,359 --> 01:36:17,880
versus looking at the angelic and working with the angels,

1616
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:21,600
versus seeing and working with demons, whether it's casting them

1617
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,920
out or seeing a scene like if you can see

1618
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,800
a demon in a video game, if you can see

1619
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,760
a demon in a movie, if you can see a

1620
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,720
demon here, demon there, Listen, you need to train yourself

1621
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,119
to be able to see an angel in it too,

1622
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,119
because there's more like see an angel in a video game?

1623
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:39,439
How many how much of that conversation have we had,

1624
01:36:40,039 --> 01:36:42,319
like see an angel in a book or see an

1625
01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:44,640
angel here? And an angel and that you've trained yourself

1626
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:49,600
to spot demons everywhere, and if there's not one, you

1627
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:56,359
assign one to it. You're assigning demons to stuff, to people.

1628
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:58,119
He got a demon. There's a demon on that guy,

1629
01:36:58,199 --> 01:37:01,039
for sure. I listened to his postodcast, I read his book.

1630
01:37:01,039 --> 01:37:04,359
He's got a demon Like what, okay, cool, we might

1631
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,479
it might be a demon it everybody's shoulder, but there's

1632
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:11,159
an angel. To train yourself to see the good, train

1633
01:37:11,239 --> 01:37:14,359
yourself to see the angels. That's what we're doing tonight.

1634
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,760
We're going to train ourselves to see so if you

1635
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,399
want to be a part of that, Patreon dot com

1636
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,079
backslash truth Seek a sign up you'll get a link

1637
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:25,880
to join all the every little bit helps for all

1638
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,399
the community that we have there. So thank you guys

1639
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,439
for hanging out with me. Really enjoyed it. We'll do

1640
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,920
it again very soon. Salm shalom, peace, so.

1641
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 3: Much, so much, so much.

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