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today's discussion. My guest today again Paul ask Off. Paul,
Welcome to the truth Syka podcast. My friend, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm excellent, Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous of the weather man. You're saying that's uh,
it's in the sixties where you are.
Speaker 4: Right now, Yes, sure, yeah, mid sixties.
Speaker 1: Mid sixties, probably a cool breeze blowing outside. Yeous, I
can't wait hot down here.
Speaker 4: Say it again, and I ain't won you o weather
a bit, two heats.
Speaker 1: It's grass is always greener, sure it is. Yeah, Yeah,
excited to have you on. You know, before we went
live here, we're talking about out the interest in ufology
right now, and those are like all of my shows
that are taken off when I look at the numbers,
even the ones I've done years ago, anything concerning UFOs
and aliens and that that kind of thing is uh,
people are looking it up. People are asking questions right now.
I would say disclosure is happening from the sky. People
are having encounters and then the government's releasing documents, so
people are people are asking questions right now. So it's
definitely something that I love to talk about and love
to dive in. So we're gonna we're gonna pick your
brain and hear your story and talk about your book,
which you've covered a lot of that stuff in there,
but for those who don't know who you are and
much about your work, just kind of give us a
brief overview of who you are, what you bring to
the table. We'll start there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well, I've been medical all my life. I've
been a qualified nurse, qualified occupational health nurse, qualified paramedic.
It was always been medical throughout my life. However, I've
just recently retired, gave me time to write the book.
Is something I've always wanted to do, was put my
ideas down on paper and just get my ideas out
there for people. And I think from because I had
such a strong religious upbringing when I was smaller, and
then things my attitude began to change with seeing UFOs
and other things, and it changes your attitude somewhat and
also your experiences and spiritual experiences too, and that sort
of steers you. I believe everything happens for a reason,
and you steered in a certain direction, and when the
time is right, that door will open and you will
move in that direction if you want to. And I
think that's what happens throughout most people's lives. And it's
just for me, is being able to get the information
out there because what I have seen previously. I mean,
don't get me wrong, there are a lot of really
good authors, some lovely people out there that do a
lot of investigating, a lot of work both into the
paranormal and into UFOs.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 4: For me, I wanted to give the whole picture. People
tend to just put a slice of the pie, like
they'll just stick with poltergeist investigation, or they'll just stick
with spiritual healing, or they'll stick to UFOs as in
we'll say the Pascagoula and the Calvin Parker and Charlie
Hickson event or Roswell for argument's sake. So people tend
to give these smaller pieces of the puzzle. And I
believe that they are all joined or they can be
all joined together, and we need to be thinking out
the box, and we need to be thinking about the
whole picture rather than just the pieces of the picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've been in this for a long time,
in paranormal and UFO research in that field, So do
you have you come to a conclusion? I feel like
the longer you stay in it, you know, you think
you're going to pinpoint the stuff down and figure out
exactly what's going on. But I feel like you end
up having more questions than you had when you when
you start, is that true for you or are you?
Are you clear on a lot of what's going on
in euthology.
Speaker 4: Now there that's a sixty four thousand dollars question. You.
I mean, I'm a Yorlcchuman. So I always think I'm right. Yeah,
we're good. Yeah, we know. Yeah, we've got the answer.
But never say never, because new things do come to
light all the time. And when I started, should I
tell the listeners how I got into UFOs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear about your first encounter for sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, I just had my I was just into being
eleven years old. I've just had my birthday and we've
moved into a new home a few months previously. It
was on the edge of a small village really ruled.
Now I'm talking a lot of years ago. I'm talking
nineteen sixty eight, so there were no such thing as
the police helicopters or ambulance helicopters anything like that, and
the air traffic was very much lower. Two Now, we
were very rural location, so there wasn't much aircraft that
much flying over our location. Where we were. We were
right on the edge of a village and we were
looking from our front house. We faced due east, myself
and my brother last job of the day. As a routine,
we did what our father said and we took our
dogs for a walk. And we had a very disabled
war bedroom next door had to take his dog for
a walk. So the routine was took the dogs for
a walk, came back, said good night to the parents,
and went to bed. That's what we did, so we
take the dogs for a walk. My brother who was nine,
and I just had my eleventh birthday, and we came
back in and my father was in the front garden
and that time of night, it was just beginning to
get dark. There was no light pollution like there is now,
so even though it was dust, you could see the
major constellation. The brighter magnitude stars were just coming out.
So my father sat us down at the side of
him and he's pointing to them. Now, it wasn't an
astronomer or anything, but he had a telescope and he
liked to involve the children like parents do. So as
we're all three looking at the sky to the north
and straight in front of us was a bank of cloud,
a really thick bank of cloud that went all the way.
But the other side of the sky was completely clear,
perfectly clear. And then as we're looking at the sky,
two UFOs came flying out this flying own word, but
came zooming out of this bank of cloud and then
just stopped dead. There was no deceleration, and if you
can imagine, like a V formation, but one slightly to
one side and behind the other. And as they stopped,
they were perfectly spherical, pearly white, brilliant white balls of light. Now,
the one nearest to us was about very close to
the cloud and was about the size of a dime
arm's length, so they were quite large, really, and you
could actually see the light from it shining on the cloud.
And all three of us were like dumbstruck looking at these.
There was no sound whatsoever, no apparent rotation, no strobes
or anything like that. There were just a solid white light.
And then after a few seconds they immediately moved at
ninety degrees, going directly away from us. But they stayed
at the same relative position to each other, nothing apparently
joining together. Now, when they were stationary, they were perfectly circular,
and as they stopped, I got a voice perfectly clear
in my head. Now I don't know why, but I'm saying.
The voice was friendly, and the voice was masculine, and
it said. All the impression it got was oops, we
hadn't meant to have been seen. We hadn't meant to
come out of the cloud. And that was perfectly cleared
in my head. And then after a few seconds they
were immediately moving fast, going away from us. And as
they moved away from us, it was like they were
covered in an atmosphere or something like something around them
that gave that wasn't attached to it, but it gave
off this sort of phosphorescent around it. And there was
the tiniest little tear drop shape as they moved, as
if this atmosphere was slopping away almost And again no
sound or anything, and they went in a perfectly straight
line down this bank of cloud, and you could still
see the light from them reflecting on the surface of
the cloud until they disappeared in the distance towards what
was then a coal fired power station about nine miles away.
As the crow flies. Now, the three of us were
just done founded and in silence, and my father, who
had done his national service without Royal Air Force, and
he was the first to speak after a while, and
he said, well, there's nothing that we have that can
do that, and that From that moment on, it was
like I wanted to know how I don't how I
don't know about it. Why isn't it on the news,
Why isn't it in the newspapers, Why aren't people talking
about it? Because it was so bizarre, It was so
for want of a better term, obviously alien. It was
so odd and out there. How could it not be
anything but alien? And that's one of the things I've
learned as an investigator years later that even though people
give or I dare say, the authorities give the explanations
of what it was, a temperature inversion, it was the
lighthouse through the trees, it was military flares, they do.
That's enough for people on the periphery and on the
outside to give a logical explanation, because as the normal
human psyche, you're always trying to rationalize things. So for
people on the outside, it's nice to say, yes, that's
what it is, I'll just cross it off. But the
reality is for the people that witness it, it falls
far short, and these people are still left with, yes,
I want to move on, Yes, I want to accept
that explanation, but I still don't think it's right. And
we do get that a lot within investigating the field
of youupology.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's an amazing first story, first encounter, and obviously
you know this is something you started pursuing and asking
questions and things like that later. One thing I wanted
just to comment on is what you said about what
we'll call telepathic communication. When you saw it, there was
a thought that you picked up. It's something told you
or are you picked up on it? And the reason
I'm going there because I've had similar encounters where these
you see it and boomed, there's a thought immediately implanted
in your head and they tell you something about being seen.
You know. That's the interesting thing. Whatever they are, they
know when someone sees them, like they know if they're cloaked,
they know if they're hiding in the cloud. And then
they know if an eyewitness an onlooker makes seize them
and registers in their brain, Hey there's something weird right there.
There's a UFO and they know it, and it's like
they sent a thought, Hey, we we didn't want you
to see this. Yeah, and the kind of thing you know,
and then they take off what do you what do
you think that is? Do you do you think that
that they're just you know, trying trying to communicate or
they you know, they it's hard to say what it is.
You know if especially you saw a boy hearing voices,
you know, and people talk about it, well, it's just
the government, and the government has technology to send dots
to you and all this kind of weird stuff about that,
because it's real beautiful. It's encouraging, the sparks are and
wonder in your life, creativity, you know, and and like
you said, once you start pursuing that stuff, interesting things
start happen. What do you think is going on with
that type of what we'll call telepathic communication when someone
cs the UFO?
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, it gets what I've tried to do. Just
to digress very slightly, I've tried to write my book
so that anybody can pick it up, because you do
get a lot of people that try to explain the
science behind it, and you, as a reader, you're trying
to read it and thinking, well, this is getting a
bit heavy. I am having to concentrate here, and I
didn't want that. What I wanted to do was just
put it in very easy Layman's terms, simple to understand.
So this is my explanation on it. We I'm going
to slightly scientific, but it's very simple. We are what
we deal with on a daily basis within our normal
electromagnetic spectrum. Right at the high end, you've got radio
waves that we're using now, and then you come down
through the infrared to the visible light and our acoustic spectrum,
and then it goes down through the ultraviolet X rays
and then gamma rays at the lower end. That's our
normal electromagnetic spectrum that human beings we've learned to deal
with and to a certain extents, we can now measure,
and we're going further afield in now doing photography and
in infrared and ultraviolet. We've got that on the hubble
and all sorts of things. And it's saying with on
the gun cameras with the latest ones with the UPTK
reportant things and having corroborative evidence because they've got infrared
cameras as well as normal cameras on the aircraft. Now,
if you imagine that electro magnetic spectrum, what we actually
see and hear every day that we deal with every
day is actually less than one tenth of one percent
of what we know about electro magnetic spectrum right now,
we can measure measure it to a certain extent. We
know about EKGs that you'd call egs when they measure
the brain patterns, but at the end of the day,
we're not that good with it. Really, we're only scratching
the surface now. Slightly Aside from that, the latest scientists
and cosmologists are saying that between seventy five and even
as much as ninety five percent of the universe that
we deal with is dark energy in dark matter that
we can't even measure, but they know it's there because
of the way our bit of the electro magnetic spectrum
and the things that we know reacts. So because of that,
we're only actually seeing that one tenth of one percent
of five percent, if you get what I mean. So
there's another nine that we don't even know about.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: This is something that ET is completely in control of,
completely understands, and completely is able to understand it to
an extent that they can manipulate.
Speaker 3: It and use it.
Speaker 4: Therefore, when we've been talking about communication on telepathic level,
they immediately everything that we have right you me, the
computer we sat in front of the room, we sat in,
the chair we sat on. Everything has a magnetic field
that we can to a limited extent measure. But if
you imagine now, you know on a spiritual level, when
you meet somebody for the first time, you know immediately
if you're going to get on with that person or not,
because your magnetic field reacts with their magnetic field, so
your areas immediately. That's when you know if you're on
the same wavelength. We have all these little phrases in
our normal life and people don't understand it. But when
you meet somebody, you know if you're on the same
wavelength or so you know if you're going to get
on or not, And it's exactly the same. ET can
control that, every thought that you have and the intention
behind it. S Einstein said, everything is energy and the
thought is energy. So therefore, if you are ET and
you're able to control that, you're able to manipulate it.
You understand it. That is why ET can immediately zoom in.
That's why we get these abductees that go back and
see things, and people see things constantly and where they say, ET, suddenly,
why have they come from me? Why have they suddenly
appeared at the side of the bed. Why did they
think I was thinking that? Why did they not let
me remember? Why did I see? And owl? Owls is
a good one or a vehicle parts of the side
of the road. And it's because they're able to control
our memories and our frequencies, and because they understand it,
they can zoom straight into us. They know immediately. That's
why they know when you've seen them. That's why they
know where you are. That's why people Is it a
bizarre act of kindness in reality that et don't let
you remember?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I mean, you know that if you
know you come from the medical field, and if you're
going through a surgery like that, there's a counsel where
people wake up during surgery. Yeah, they're cut open and
but they can't move like you're not supposed to see that.
You're not supposed to remember that, right, So, like you said,
maybe it's a service that you can't remember most people
by sheer fright of what these beings look like. Well,
you know, fear and hysteria immediately kicks in and panic,
you know, just to see what they look like. And
so with that being said, that is pretty advanced technology
or spirituality or just their you know, abilities that we
call God. Given that they have, it's pretty pretty advanced
and pretty powerful. It could be scary or it could
be a blessing, depending on the intentions of the ets.
Now would you say benevolent manevolent? Both? What what is
your experiences with with these these beings? And uh and
the reports of others?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I'll go. I'll use a knowledge that I
use in the book. Imagine our electromagnetic spectrum that we're
on now, our life that we're on this earth is
an old vinyl record, an old LP with holding the
sense and the grooves from the edge to the center.
That is our frequency that we deal with. That with
the Plannet, the plane, the physical reality that we deal
with on a daily basis. So if ET is able
to manipulate that, remember we only see one fifth or
one tenth of one percent rather within that electromagnetic spectrum,
so we're on that record. There are actually a whole
stack of records on different frequencies some people call different
dimensions both above us and blowers. So ET one thing
that the going back to the abductees, which they will
say the messages that they are given or people that
have done hypnotic regression, people like Dolores Canon, Bud Hopkins.
Unfortunately they are no longer with us, but Cat Marden
more recently. And one thing that they say constantly is
that everything's done by thought. It's an energy that they have.
And Bud Hopkins, I was very fortunate to meet him
and have lunch with him months. I was helping out
at a view for a concert the British UFO Research
Association and Bud Hopkins was a guest and he was
quite what can I say? He came out with it
and he said, Paul, He said, I got into the
field of upology purely by chance. He says, I was
an artist, and he got into hypnotherapy mainly on the
counseling side of things and wanting to help people. He
was a lovely man, real gentleman, wanting to help people.
But he said, when different people from all geographical locations
around the world and all different backgrounds, whether they be wealthy,
whether they be very poor, he says, and they're all
telling you exactly the same story, and they've never met
each other. They don't know these other people telling me
the same story. He says, But when you do that
and they're all telling you, he says, obviously it's got
to be so true to it. And one of the
things that they all say is everything was done by thought.
Is the energy, and that is why you never have
a problem. People say they communicate, they speak in their
language because they don't need language, because it's the thought ideas,
the idea that goes directly into your brain, and that's
how it's put over, and that's how you pick it up,
so language doesn't come into it. And the other thing,
that's how the abductees where they'll often say people say,
I can remember seeing an owl, or I can remember
seeing a vehicle at the side of the road, and
it's been allowed to remember these things. There was an
abduction I for adults that he investigated from before, back
in the mid nineties, and one of the guys gave
a really good description and he said it was a
really odd atmosphere, he says, and I can clearly remember thinking, well,
how is it suddenly dark? Why has it got dark
so quickly? And he said, when I look back at
it now, he said, if you can imagine you're memory
as a videotape that's been cut into segments and then
a lot of it thrown away, and the bits that
are put together aren't necessarily in the right order. It says,
that's how it feels in my head. Where normally people
will rationalize and you can remember things in a normal,
relatively accurate, chronological order. He says, this, it doesn't work.
It's because for that portion of my life it won't.
My brain doesn't work, it won't let me remember, and
it's just been able to control that frequency. So you
can blanket or do whatever. And it's just for them.
It's a straightforward thing. It's not there's no magic to it.
As Einstein said, everything is science, there's no there's no
magic behind it. There's no it's just a spiritual thing too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if go on, no, I just so many different
places we can go again. I just I want you
to be clear on are they good or bad? You know,
as far as or both, you know, because a lot
of people will say, you know, they're just like humans.
We have some good humans and bad humans. I don't
necessarily agree with that. All of my experiences have been beautiful,
have been like amazing, you know, And so the whole
thing about the abduction phenomenon, which we've seen, you know,
really in the eighties and nineties and it was like
a terrifying experiences kind of thing. But now you're hearing
more of the experiencer and the contact d and they
were like, it's more of a I'm I was chosen
to uh to see this, and I'm thankful that it happened.
And now you know, psychic abilities are increasing in the individual,
like creativity is unlocking in the individual. Uh. It seems
like whether there's a you know, something's changing in that realm,
which some people would would agree. And I do feel
like there's a lot of disinfo out there as well,
but I feel like, you know that they're definitely benevolent.
I feel like there's a code of conduct out there,
a spiritual code of evolution that we need to rise
to as well to be accepted amongst the stars and
so but obviously my experience is my experience, and other
people will tell you different things. Do you think that
these beings who have evolved themselves maybe millions of years
more advanced than us, are they good or bad? Is
that I know, it's kind of like just painting it
black or white, and that may even be a little
bit nuanced and hard to say. But from your studies,
are they good guys or are they bad guys? Or
are they just neutral? What do you think?
Speaker 4: I think they're definitely good guys. And as you again,
it's a personal thing that I've never had anything about. However,
if we'll use go back to the analogy of the
stack of records, If you imagine evil is on the outside,
no such thing as the devil, but evil does exist,
and there are evil spiritual lower vibrations that obviously affect us.
If you imagine evil is the edge. And then each
of those grooves on the record on which have a
plane your own, whichever record or one you or you're
experiencing at this moment, each groove is a life and
a life experience by you to move towards the center,
and the whole in the center is purity. Now some
will call it God, they call it what you like.
But at the end of the day, religion has nothing
to do with it, because all for the same for everybody.
Whether you believe it or not, is irrelevant. It's the
same distance to the center, and it's the same amount
of learning that we all have to go through. And
this is where you've just touched on it. Where I
believe et is for want of better, better than others,
because they've advanced spiritually as well. So they will be
obviously near of the center. They might be ten records
higher up in the stacker than we are, but they
still have the same journey. And that's why it's this,
as you said, I believe the same, this universal law
of do no harm. One of the things that Calvin
Parker and Charlie Hickson, their pastor google when they were
abducted and they put them back, and Calvin got the
voice in his head, was we meant you no harm,
you know? And it's again, is it that sort of
thing where if we were looking at a nature thing
and we're looking and we put nets up and catch
birds or bats, and we look to see what the
numbers are and what weight they are, are they healthy?
Speaker 1: Are they doing that day?
Speaker 4: And they tied them and will let them go? Is
this exactly the same, but obviously at a much higher level.
Speaker 1: So again you go back and it's not necessarily a
bad thing, right I mean, now, to that to that
bird or to that bat, they're terrified. They think they're
about to die and then it's almost like a near
death experience because then now they're free, and oh my god,
I thought I was going to die. I got to
tell everybody, you know, these people grab me and you
know they they're writing books and selling scripts to movies
and you know that kind of thing, say the same scenario.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are other things that are pointers that we
know that they use. Are in my opinion that the
point is that they use the electromagnetic spectrum. The first thing,
which is quite obvious, is you will get people that
see even going back to the nineteen fifties, and we've
constantly had sightings where they've been seen on radar, but
you can't see them with the eye or you can
see them. I mean, we've even had them over the
airfield where people could look out of the control tone
and see them, but they didn't appear on the radar.
And it's just they're not like that frequency. They're at
a different place. And it's the same constantly throughout that
and it's all to do with the magnetic frequency. There
was the Gaffney incident in the US where there was
different a lot of different people, including the police, saw
a number of sightings over this night, and part of
it was a young couple that had parked up and
I don't know whether they're having a domestic or whether
it was the other end of the scale, but they
were parked up and they saw initially the outline of
a disc shaped craft coming towards them. So they were
both like, oh my god, look at this. And as
it came towards them, it solidified and became real, which
something would because if you think about it, they're on
their infrared spectrum as they come down through our magnetic
frequency into our visible light. But what it did was
as it came through the shrubbery and the trees in
front of them, the trees burst into flames, which they
would if degenerating heat through the infrared frequency. Now, this,
as it materialized, suddenly shot off into the distance and
was gone, but left the trees and shrubbery on fire.
They called the police, called the fire service, which duly
turned up. The fire service put the fire out. The
police took a statement know the evidence whatsoever. And again,
as one of my colleagues, Paul Sinclair say with his
series of but truth Proof, it's the truth that leaves
no proof because it's not on our frequency, it doesn't
connect because they're coming down to our level for whatever reason,
just for that time. So that's when we see them,
and then they've gone back up to their own frequency
and it's gone, and it's the same or the same
of the paranormal. And you often get people who say
if they see something, whether it be paranormal, and we've
even had it with cryptids, people seeing dog Man, people
seeing mothman, people seeing Bigfoot or sasquatch, and they say,
I was absolutely terrified. And that is because when you
get that frequency coming down to you, to our level,
it's where, if you like, we have these geographical locations
all over the world where, if you like, the veil
is thing because the two records, the two frequencies are
almost touching. So for argument's sake, in the States, you've
got lots of them. But skin Walker Ranch, I would say,
is the more famous. And when people get this, they
get this intense fear. And I think that's because on
a spiritual level, your soul nose, you're entering an area
and a frequency where it should be and so you
get this where in human terms, on our playing on
a chemical level, you get the fight off light syndrome.
If you're in a stressful situation on a spiritual level,
you can get this intense fear. And we've had reports
on that from the paranormal, from seeing spirit from crypsids
and seeing big Foot from UFOs and the abductions the same.
And it's because of that, because of the change in frequency,
that's what you pick up on what's the soul picks upon.
If you're like, does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it does, And yeah it is scary, you know,
seeing something for the first time that starts you when
you're not prepared or what it's going to look or
you know, feel like. I mean, for me, there was
a lot of fear there too, because of all of
the movies that I watched in the in the nineties
about abduction and communion, and most of them were like
you know, fire in the Sky like horror horror movies essentially.
But with those movies, they are beautiful UFO movies too,
you know that are out there that don't you know,
get as much attention. But for me, when I begin
to see a lot of I've seen a lot like
sometimes when they come down low, I still get scared,
you know, thinking I'm going to get inducted and taken away,
even even though it's something that I'm trying to facilitate
through thought, through prayer, that kind of thing. And that's
one thing I want to touch on as well. Ask
you about the CE five initiative contact of the fifth
kind where you actually contact them and ask them or
summon them kind of thing. Right, so if they can
read our thoughts and they pick up on that frequency.
You know, there's a huge movement of people who are
going out to open fields and asking for a sighting,
asking for the ships to come in, for the beings
to come in that have our greatest good in mind.
I'm asking you to show up in all of these
people getting together on one accord, lifting up this thought
and they're having encounters and experiences. What are your thoughts
on that of us being able to contact them through
through a telepathic communication that actually works both ways, that
they can send stuff to us, but we can say, hey,
I know you're out there. Can you move these clouds
or just fly by or something? You know? What are
your thoughts on the CT five initiative?
Speaker 4: Yeah, excellent, simply because that is a that is the
direction we should be going in. If there's so much
more advanced than us. They're spiritually more developed than we are.
We need to move ourselves up a record or to
we need to lift our vibration. So by doing that,
by having this you see, that's the other thing where
this see five initiative would work because they can see
the intention behind it. They can pick up on the
intention behind it. They know, so it's easy for them.
I believe that there are many different types of et
That's why you get some that are good and some
that are not so good, some that would treat us.
I think they're all benevolents. Have there been any, if
you like, malevolent intention behind it, we would have been
long gone years millions of years ago. We wouldn't have
you know, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean. And at
the end of the day, going back to that universal law,
everything has to be done by your own effort, and
that is the same they are leaving us to see
if we have the wherewithal within us to lift our
vibration and become a better race than we currently are.
So one other thing that just struck them while we
were talking about that. That again going back to the
electromagnetic spectrum, that explains something that abductees or even just
experiences and people with sightings get and this is true
with the both upananormal and cryptid as well. Is the
absolute silence. And people often say there was no sound
at all, there were nothing, and then I became scared.
And we get that quite frequently, we get that a lot,
and I think again, that is because you are in
that zone the oss effect, if you like, on that
zone where the two levels are meeting, and because you're
on that level, you inadvertently, if you like venturing onto
another plane, onto another record, onto another frequency. So because
you're entering this other frequency, suddenly you're not where you
can hear anything because you're on a different one. And
that is why people often report I couldn't hear anything,
and there were no background hum of traffic, there were
no wind, there were no birds in the trees, or
it's suddenly gone silent. It's suddenly gone silent because you
are entering this zone. You are getting close. And for me,
that is one of the things where you see these
big foot expeditions and things like that, where people say
it's suddenly gone quiet, I can't hear anything, and that
is because they're entering that zoom, that little pocket of
energy that's on a different level, so they can't do
anything because it's not on their frequency. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that space in between. Yeah, it's weird, like
you know people, I feel like people into that state
in in other ways too, when when trauma happens and
you know, there there's this children who kind of get
lost in staring in their imagination and they're just hey,
I'm talking to you, and they're somewhere else. It's almost
like even though that person's talking to them, they're not
you know, their I guess their mind is is somewhere
else too. It. So there's almost like a place that
we can you know, tap into the in between by
the means as well. And uh and is it spiritual?
Very much could be with with our imagination and our
thoughts and our will almost drifting in between those realms.
Speaker 4: And the younger children don't have those pre conceived ideas
that we have, so we they're more open to it,
you know than we are.
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you know, I say somebody. There's a lot of people
who never have an encounter like this. They go their
whole life they don't believe, they don't believe in the supernatural,
they don't believe in the metaphysical, they don't believe in
UFOs and aliens. They've never experienced it. But then you
have other people like, once you have that first encounter,
then it's a lifelong journey of supernatural I've had so
many it's hard to keep count at this point when
my neighbor could not even experience anything. What do you
think that is? Do you think that that first, maybe
even random experience just opens you up energetically to look
for patterns and to see things that are beyond a veil.
I feel like that's what happened for me, and I'm
doing this, you know, like I said, for a living now.
It's something that happened to me at four shadow beings
coming into my room as a toddler, and that stuck
with me to ask the bigger questions and to get
clear on what it was and see if it's happened
to anybody else. And it's just kind of, you know,
launched me into this life where I've always been, into
the paranormal, metaphysical, UFOs, the occult, all of it. And
I feel like the imagination in this world, the way
it works is you find what you're looking for. Do
you think it's a random spur of the moment experience
that just opens up a lifelong pursuit in this field
or what do you think the difference is?
Speaker 4: I think the difference is we're all on this journey,
all on these grooves of the record, endeavoring to reach
the center, and you have to do it by your
own effort. So if you go back to your aora,
your personal vibration and your personal frequency, that may not
be the lesson that they're on. And therefore everybody's on
their own own groove, their own lesson they have to do.
And for some people it's more spiritual, for others it isn't.
Someone won't be ready yet, and some will have done
it but need to do and experience other things. So
it's not always detrimental, but it's like a constant learning
thing that I believe we all have to go through,
and we different I think that I, like you, I
was fortunate to experience many different things when I was younger,
and that opens your mind to think, wow, there's obviously
much more than I I could go to. I mean,
I experienced spiritual healing and I've never done it before
and I've never done it since. I mean, I can
tell the listeners that story if they wish. That was
quite mind blowing up the time.
Speaker 1: We definitely have a lot of people into that and
as well.
Speaker 4: So sure, yeah, well I was brought up I was
initially would you believe I was dedicated to Methodist I
was brought up quite strict Church of England, Baptized Church
of England. And then we moved. When we moved and
I was eleven years old and we moved to the
new home. We moved to within about fifty yards away
from the local Spiritualist church, and one of my father's
work colleagues went there broke to my father in and
then that was it. So I was named Spiritualist as well.
Now as especially as I got older. As a teenager,
we didn't go regularly. We weren't church I as teenagers,
we weren't church goers, you know, weddings and funerals and
that sort of thing, but we didn't go every Sunday.
And I never went to any circles or didn't know
anything about that. So as I'm growing up through my
teenage years, I'm trying to find out about UFOs and
read books and get information about that. On one day,
I'm walking past the church to go meet some friends
and this this old guy stood outside having a cigarette
in a brown three piece suit, and it's just said, Paul,
and I didn't know this guy, and you said, have
you got a minute? Yeah, I walked over to him,
because you do expect him. You do have this trust
way to your elders, and you thought it was a
good guy. And I walked up to him and said
just a minute. And he got this strappy bit of
paper out of his pocket and then he wrote something
on me and he showed me and there was the
three letters UFO and he says, I've just been told
by spirit to show you this and tell you you're
thinking along the right lines. And it was like, I mean,
I don't think i'd even spoken a word at this point,
and I was like, whoa. He says, I want you
to go or they've been told you. I want you
to go and see Betty. Now, my father went and
spoke to him afterwards. I was spoken, and he said, yeah,
I know Betty. This is where she lives. So I
go and see this Betty. And she said she turned
out to be an old medium from the church, and
she said, I want you to go and see a
lady called Pearl. And I can't remember a surtain name,
but she had this sur name. And I actually went
to school with a daughter now as a sort of
fifteen year old sixteen year old, This fifteen sixteen year
old girl was quite a fit, young girl, nice to look,
cute girl. And I'm thinking, oh, this has got this
is good. So I said, yeah, okay, I'll go see Pirl. Anyway,
I goes to Sea Pel she lived just in the
next village, not far away. Get the local bus service
because I was only a teenager that young go to
Sea Pearl. Knock on the door and the house is
in complete darkness. All the windows, all the curtains are closed.
And she opens the door, and I find out that
her daughter, unfortunately wasn't going to be there. Follow her
into the house and then it was like somebody took
over my body. I saw, the only way I can
describe it, nothing bad. And I followed this Pearl into
she closed the door, followed her into this quite a
large lounge, and she'd got this carver dining chair upright
chair in the middle of the room, and she walked
straight towards it and sat down in front of me.
And it was like somebody else was inside me, moving me.
And I moved straight up to the back of her.
I put my hands on her shoulders, and as I
put my hands on the shoulders, she starts saying a
prayer not long and then I mean, if you had
filmed this, it was quite bizarre. But I put one
hand just above the top of her head and the
other hand up to the ceiling. So I'm stood in
this weird position like some traffic officer out beyond patrol
giving direction travel with my hand just above her head.
And then I felt this electrical current, physically felt it
like somebody switched their power on, and it came down
from somewhere into my arm, out through the other arm,
and into the top of this pearl's head. And I
physically felt it the vibrant So then as a teenager,
I'm thinking, I don't move, I don't do anything. I
don't think whatever spoiled what was happening. And I could
feel this vibration and then after literally only a minute,
it stopped, and I physically felt it just turned up finished,
and she knew it had finished, and I just put
my hands, rested my hands back on her shoulders, and
then she just stood up, smiling and looked at me,
and she said, you certainly hide your light under a bushel.
And that was it. And it turned out this lady
suffered with quite debilitating migraines and had been in bed
for like a week at a time and couldn't stand
the lights or anything, and she just threw the curtains open,
put the ketle on, and ten minutes later I'm walking
back out the front door, thinking what the heck just happened,
you know. And afterwards, obviously when I saw this Betty, afterwards,
it was retrospectively. I was allowed to experience how things
should be. I belie, you know, what can happen and
how we should behave and now we should be able
to understand things. And it was just I was that,
can't do it if you're like That allowed me to
experience it, to sort of say, there's a lot more
goes on than you know about.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It was quite amazing at the time. Wow, I've never
done it before or since.
Speaker 1: Wow, it seems like you would try to, you know,
recreate it, you would try it again, you know, like
you know, and so you haven't. You haven't tried it.
You know. Maybe you're a spiritual healer and you used
to do it for more people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well maybe we all have this latent ability within ourselves.
It's just how to go about it. I mean, my
wife is quite poorly at the moment with arthriters, but
I can't just turn it on.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, you could try. You know. I
feel like you know, I was, you know, that's how,
that's how, that's how miracles happened, right, You feel like
you were used for a miracle and to send and
transfer energy and to channel that energy as well from
that source, as you said, the center of the record,
that piece of divine love which is everyone's connected to.
They just don't know it or they don't know how
to receive it. And so you become a channel for
that for other people. And you already do that obviously
by obviously your profession. What you chose to go into
the medical field to help people and then to you know,
help people who are having a hard time understanding what's
going on with uphology and supernatural paranormal experiences, which can
marginalize you quick quickly. You become the laughing stop, You
become a black sheep, You become you called a crazy person.
You know, people going around telling you that UFOs telepathic
telepathically municate with them. That you're not going to be
asked to come over to a lot of family gatherings
and and and luncheons. You know if that's who you are.
But but but the more we talk about it, the
more we put it out there, it becomes more accepted,
and it becomes and it creates this ground where people
feel comfortable sharing their odd encounters and stuff. And so
obviously you're that that that's a form of healing for sure,
that that you're doing, and I definitely come in that
and it helps a little goes a long way too.
Speaker 4: One of the other things which many listeners may may
have experienced is being able to fly. Now, I've done
this numerous times in the middle of a dream.
Speaker 1: States like, I've been having a lot of dreams about flying.
So I want to hear this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was flying and I could see the
frequency of everything. Yeah, I've and we're talking about the
magnetic frequencies earlier. And I can remember flying over this
place and a lady had fallen and she'd hurt her ankle,
and I could see the damage on a magnetic frequency
sort of level. You could tell the frequency was wrong,
that there would damage there, and I just went straight
down to her. And because you understood what was wrong,
you could just correct the frequency, and that healed what
was wrong. And I can remember the color changed, it
was like from a blue to a purple in her ankle,
and then because it was back normal, and then I
just literally floated back up and flew away again somewhere else.
But I can remember I woke up shortly afterwards and
the profound sense of loss that I couldn't do that again.
It was like why can't I do And it was
really and I could remember it, and I can still
remember it now quite vividly, and it's like, why can't
we do this? Well, maybe we can do this, but
just not at the level we don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've had those dreams, you know, for sure,
and you know, being able to at least try. And
then here you are in your backyard trying to fly,
you know, trying to levitate, like again, like you, I mean,
you're always the crazy person until you can do it,
you know, until it happens, the first person to do something,
you know. But obviously there there's reports of, you know,
Catholic priests who were levitating around the cities. The movie
The Flying Nun is supposedly based on a true story
where the woman had such a great faith that she
would levitate when she got excited. About her faith and
so much so that they had to tie her to
a chair and nail the chair to the floor. So
there's all of these stories in antiquity, if you would,
but they seem to be forgotten, and you know, it's
left to the movies, but I feel like it's it
the movies contained, like what's possible, Like you start seeing
stuff in the movies that that go deeper that came
from some religious text or some ancient stories that people
think that the script was made up by that director
or or writer, but those stories and the spirituality connected
with it was embedded in some ancient holy books somewhere
or history book that was written down. And that's the
amazing thing whenever it comes to art and what's possible,
Like that's what a testimony is like, you know, you
don't know that it's true until you see someone doing it.
And now that they've done it, then you can revisit it,
recreate it, and teach other people how to do it.
But I've definitely had those dreams recently of pushing energy
to the to the earth and levitating and stuff, and
so maybe it's a maybe it's an ancient coling, you know,
to try it, you know, even when you're when you're
sharing just seeing the color stuff, you know, you know,
I do. I do practice prayer, laying on of hands
and healing and things like that, and it just seems
like a modality that that you would want to embrace
or try. If someone is having like pain in their ankle,
like you said, see see them as a color of healing,
whatever color that is. Some people can say they can
see ourus and then see the color that's off if
you can naturally see it, spiritual spiritually see it, or
if you have to imagine it, imagine the discoloration, imagine
it being red and then intuitively change that color back
to its natural state, back into alignment and resonance with
the body. And you're doing it with the imagination, but
you're connected spiritually. Again, you never know unless you try,
you know.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's good, very good. Yeah. I think that's parts
of the thing where it's part of I will growth
on a personal level. You don't remember because you have
to do it by your own effort now, and it's
by raising your vibration now and raising the way that
you think and helping people. And that's that's how what
we should be doing. That's the direction we should be going.
Speaker 1: There's people out there I like the idea, but they say,
in order for us to take our place amongst the
stars and the star brothers and the ets and that
kind of thing, that the earth has to evolve to
at least fifty one good and then it will be,
you know, majority good then is evil. I think we're
I think we've surpassed that though. I think I think
the majority of people now are more intuitive or good
who who are not trying to use and abuse others.
And what would you say as a percentage of the
earth that that, you know, maybe personally fifty good of
themselves versus the other.
Speaker 4: I think, But again it depends on personal circumstances and
whether you have the ability and the strength within you
to overcome, because we all have bad days and we
all have good days, and as you know, in different
circumstances when you meet people in different places, that happen,
and you can meet people on a good day in
the wonderful and then just get them wrong. And you know,
but it's something that is exactly what we need to do.
When you've said it's put on That is why I
think we're getting more disclosure now than we ever have.
I don't ever think we'll get full disclosure on the
I'm talking on the UFO front here, because even with
the latest report, they've only given us like from two
thousand and four to twenty twenty one. So does that
mean Betty and Barney Hill won't take abducted? Does that
mean Travis Walton didn't have his experience? Does that mean
money is them or you know, does that mean Roswell
didn't happen. So there's a lot of good cases and
things that happened in the past, and I think historically
from the album going to say military driven, because the
military were the people that were responsible for our safety,
if you like, and because you get this national security
and you know, was it under threat by ET or whatever?
At the end of the day, I think had national
security been in reality under threat, it would have happened
years and years and years ago and we wouldn't have
had a choice. But everything is by personal choice. So
they're just leaving us silent money if you like, to
fall foul by our own means, or get over it
and improve and get over that fifty threshold by our
own means. If that makes sense, and I think that's
why we will never get full disclose because I believe
it happened officially from sort of nineteen fifty two after
the Washington, DC sightings where they came up with the
very bizarre explanation of thermal you know, refractions and things
like that, and you got people, I mean, you have
to think nineteen fifty two wasn't that long after the
Second World War, and you got a lot of people
around DC that had just been d mob there were
professional observers that had been pilots and being so when
these people and you got there were hundreds of reports
of people seeing UFOs over the Capitol and it was
like that there was no way on god'serve was that
a temperature inversion. You know, it was something that they
had to try and cover up. And because of that,
I think from that moment Tom then we got this
if you're like aggressive debunking, where they tried to discredit people,
they try to ridicule people, they try to make it
look stilly. And that's why even to today now the
mainstream media still have this if you're like end of
news thing where oh and by the way, and they
make it almost comedic sort of I think at the
end of the news where somebody's seen something or somebody
reports something. But having said that, I believe now it's
getting more and more difficult to cover up because as
you've seen things, I've seen things. I've got videos and
photographs that have taken of unusual lights in the sky
and things that happened. And because people have got now
ever better and better cameras, they put it on mediums,
put it straight out on the Internet. People can see
and they can't control it. And because the authorities have
got less and less control, they've got to sort of
take the lid off the pressure cup, as it were,
and just let bits of it as scary make people
more aware that this is happening around them, without giving
full disclosure, because I don't think we will ever have
full disclosure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're they're just releasing enough to say, yeah,
we know what's going on, just so whenever the time
is right or they have to, they can control the narrative.
They can tell you what these things are versus like,
you know, you talk to enough people, now you just start,
you know, people will tell you what they are, versus
waiting for the government to tell you what they are,
because I think they're going to say that the opposite
of what we've been saying. I think they're going to
say that there are our enemies and they you know,
want want to want to harm you and in those
kind of things and you know, alien invasion that kind
of stuff. How many So when it comes to sightings,
right and you say you had your first one at
at eleven, how many do you think you've you've had
in your lifetime?
Speaker 4: Personally, probably I'll go somewhere between two and three dozen.
Speaker 1: That's a lie.
Speaker 4: I'd say around thirty.
Speaker 1: Now it would this come from stargazing and night watching
and looking or is this just spur the moment, Hey,
there's one there kind of thing both.
Speaker 4: Now, I always I always say look at the sky
because people don't, especially with the modern sort of world
that we live in now where people have got the
phones and they like this on the heads down because
they're looking at the phone and the messages.
Speaker 1: And all they had to do is do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I do believe that they're around us all
the time, and they do go through our frequency and
we can see them. I've got photographs even in the
middle of the daylight where And I'm not saying our
new cell phones are any better than anything else. And
trying to get them to focus on something with just
a bright blue background of the night of the day
afternoon sky is very difficult, you know, But I think
it's something that more people would see if they were
made more aware of it. And I'm not getting against people,
because people are very materialistic, specifically just for looking after
their own family, putting meals on the table and that
sort of thing. So you become materialistically driven because you
want that nice house, you want that nice gy, you
want that security, and once you've got that security, and
I think that's why you do get a lot of
more elderly if you like investigators and people that are
willing to put the neck out there because they're less
bothered than about the materialistic side of things, and they
do have more time to ask the questions and look
at the sky and an experience and investigate the paranormal
or whatever they want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you spoke of maybe energy sent there's
and places that were ripe for these type of experiences.
We just me and my family took a vacation to
Arizona and we went to Sedona, and we went to
Sedona and we went to Monument Valley and literally it's
just like a highway. I'm looking at it like there's
two traveling together. There's one going there. They're like everywhere.
It's like, how can you not see them? The thing
is you at this point, if you want to, you can.
And literally that you said, like you said, just look up.
For me, that was a big like awakening or rebuke
even of like you know, they've been there the whole time,
but I've been focusing on the natural and it and
obviously for me it was like a analogy for just
for spirituality, even like you're you're focusing on you know,
the mundane in life and entertainment in your day to day,
when all you had to do was look up, you know,
and the scriptures are big on that. I just focus
on the things above. Look to the heavens, look to
the sky. It's that simple. And started seeing so many
things that I feel like anybody can now. It takes time, right,
It's not you can't just go out there one night.
Hey man, I looked at it and see anything like
there could be those nights as well, but there's other
nights where there's a lot of traffic and a lot
of stuff going on, and it only takes one one
phenomena for you to see that just to blow your mind.
And I've seen entire fleets. Have you seen fleets like
like bunches of them?
Speaker 4: Saw just literally I can't think of the day. But
a few weeks ago we saw three that appeared. I
saw one first, and then another one I paid at
the side of it, and then another one to paid
at the side of that a little way off, and
then one disappeared, and then another disappeared, and I just
managed to get a picture of them. Last one before
that too disappeared and they were moving against the wind too.
But there are movement. I'm changing tax lightly if I may,
but the movement of UFOs. This is another thing that
makes me laugh. On the last report, and they were
on about they have limited data, so they want to
analyze and they want to put more money at it
and want to get more analytics and things. But at
the end of the day, when you see a UFO,
a lot of sightings that people will tell you and
they say it was so bizarre, it was so audit
was so different, it couldn't have been normal aircraft. And
one of the things that I say is if you
go back to the electromagnetic spectrum, where everything's done by thought,
et could be a thousand years. I mean just look,
just go back from where you were now in Alabama.
One hundred years ago, nobody had a car. Really, if
you went anywhere, you went on the new railroads, or
if you were looky, you had a horse and that
was it. And if you wanted to get a message
to anybody. And then look, one hundred years later, here
we are. We've got our own cars, very comfortable, They've
got every gadget and you can think of. You know,
we can talk to each other instantly across the space.
So imagine how far we could move it in another
hundred years. Well we're talking et that maybe thousands of
years in front of us. So it's perfectly plausible for
the doubters out there that they can not only control
the magnetic spectrum, as I've said, but being able to
control it and manipulate it and use it every day
like they do. So again with the people and experiences
that we've had and investigators, they often will say everything
was done by thought. So if something is controlled by thought,
it's instant. So if you suddenly wanted to go down
to the down to gulf breeze on holiday, you think
a gulf breeze, but you're there. There's no physics behind it,
because that's our physics. And you get they make me
laugh when you get these people and they drag these
scientists out of the woodwork and these other people that say, well,
there were no flight surfaces and there was no heat
plum and there was no rubbish. They're not using our physics.
It's a complete thing. They're completely isolated in their own
little pocketive energy, their own little pocketive universe, if you like.
So they just think it and they go there's no
such thing as speed, there's no such thing as g
pos to them, that's how we perceive it. So that's
why they make these bizarre movements. Why they can stop suddenly,
why they can suddenly go ten thousand miles an hour,
why they can suddenly They didn't go through space, It
can go through a normal atmosphere. They go through the
lakes from the oceans because it's irrelevant to them. They're
not they're not there. They're in their own little pockets
of energy. So they're not moving. It's only those that
sees that movement throughout a piece of it, if you like.
But they're not moving, they don't feel anything.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, there's a growing movement in you know,
the metaphysic community and the spiritual community where you have
a lot of people who are teaching the the science
behind neurochemistry and manifestation and how to heal yourself with
the mind and affirmations and things like that. When it
comes when it comes to manifestation, it's a it's a
huge topic right now. And you know, manifesting your reality,
whatever you believe in will show itself to you. You
start to see it if you speak it out, write
it down, and then there's there's this manifestation that happens
in the thing about it I believe in one hundred percent, right,
and there's different levels to it. There's I don't understand
is the time. Like sometimes there's instant like you put
a thought out there, you speak it into existence, and
then you get a phone call the same thing that
you spoke like shows itself to you the same day.
Other times it's a couple of weeks, a couple of years.
I don't know if there's things that are harder or
or you know, more things have to actually line up
to bring it into our reality. And you use the mind,
you use thoughts to do that. And it almost seems
like the ets have mastered this manifestation through thoughts that yes,
you can, you can travel by thought. You can you
can create something of flower, an apple, anything, as long
as you know what it is, you can create it
by thought. It's you know, it's very interesting to think
that if it's even people think that ets are us
from you know, come back up, you know, thousands or
millions of years, and so you know, mastering manifestation you know,
by thought, which is an interesting, you know topic to
think about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I agree, And if you think about it,
we're going back to the electromagnetic spectrum and having their
ninety five percent on top of our five percent, but
completely being able to understand it and use it and
control it. It's just therefore it's like now we get
these as another example the power of positive thinking. People
with that and you manifest what you think. You know,
it's the way and the intention behind your thoughts. So
you get negative people will have negative I mean, I've
got a neighbor that's so negative and she has so
much bad luck, and it's like, yeah, because that's what
you're putting out there, So that's what you're going to
get back. Yeah, be good because to be happy, and
that's what you'll get back. It's so simple, but it's
getting to the stage where you can control that yourself
and how you think and how you know, how you
conduct your life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we talk about healing and spirituality and
all that connected with uthology. When we think about Et
as in the movie Et, like Et was a healer,
Like he had this ability for his finger to light
up and heal people's wounds and scars and things. So
you know, that's that's interesting too. We're talking about being
able to heal people and tapping into that ability. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Everything is energy, so everything is possible. It's just being
able to control the energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And do you think you think you do
that with the thoughts or it starts an intention and
then I feel like there I feel like there's a
connection though with being able to push and pull energy
with our with our hands and things as well versus
you know, a release the power of the breath, speaking
it in those affirmations, because it's one thing just to
think positive thoughts, it's another thing to speak positive thoughts
and affirmations as well. It's it almost either amplifies it
or creates it with the breath. You know, the Bible
talks about the power of the breath, and God spoke
things into existence and spoke this and that and this
universe and planets and situations, and so we're kind of
tapping into that same energy. Like, once you have the idea,
now speak it out and now add breath to it
to bring it into this reality.
Speaker 4: So what you're doing, if you think about it, then
you're you're putting the intention behind it, but you're also
putting with the breath and the other things. It's giving
power to it by giving a different frequency, so you're
giving it more energy. I'm no expert, believe me, but
it's just over time, these things do come together and
they do shape your thoughts and your ideas and how
things move together. There are people out there that know
farm more than I do. But it's it's just getting
it all together to get into a bigger picture that
people can understand and get handle on and sort of say, yeah,
that works.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, and like I said, the more people share
their stories and what's working, as long as they're honest
with what's working and what's not working. And we're getting
a lot of that. You just hold on to all
the stuff that works, even from you know, religious tradition,
like the stuff that works in your religion, Like I'm
gonna I'm gonna try that, I'm gonna hang on to that.
I'm gonna hang on to this from from over here
in this tradition and and find out what's helping people
and what's serving people versus dogma and all that kind
of stuff. And and people, people are advancing, people are learning,
becoming more spiritual, becoming more attuned and and more I
think I say, more loving, more tolerant, you know, other
PEFs and and all of this and so all of
that is us moving in the right direction to what
people would call a sension. You know, we have to ascend,
We have to reach a new level of consciousness, which
is a level of love.
Speaker 4: You know, yep, I agree on.
Speaker 1: Ye Well, Paul Man, I enjoyed this talk so much.
I'm glad that that we were connected. We have to
do it again. Go ahead and let people know where
they can they can follow your work and check out
your book that that you wrote on this the subject
and where they can follow you work.
Speaker 4: At Sure, well, there you go. Can the guys see that.
Speaker 1: Yep, UFO's The Real Story by Paul Askoff.
Speaker 4: There you go, and it's available on Amazon, hid back,
paperback ebook or audible. Uh, and it's there. I've got
a small Facebook page called It's the Real Story where
when I put my sightings on and photographs of taken
and people ask me questions on there, and I'll put
things on. It's just some way of keeping within the
UFO community and adding my twopenneth, you know, and keep
putting my bits in there. But there are some brilliant
people and some brilliant authors and it's just a case
of adding to it and eventually we'll get there.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you so much for what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this talk. And anytime you want to come
back on, brother, just let me know.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: All right, many blessings, Paul ask Off, Ladies and gentlemen.
It's the subject people are looking into, people are asking questions,
people are being open and honest about their stories. And
I mean, what more can you ask for, right for
people to share, you know, the things that are working
for them and not suppressing it, not suppressing it, but
sharing it openly with people. And so again, all of
my shows on euthology are topping the charts right now
and getting the most views in the most streams every day.
So I'm excited whenever we talk about this topic. It's
very near and dear to my heart, and more people
are getting into it. For many people, it's connected to spirituality, right,
the UFO phenomena. For many people, it's their initiation. You
have a sighting and then it opened up so much,
so many more questions. You begin to ask the deeper questions,
you know. I remember having doctor Michael Heizer on the
show years ago, and he's a biblical scholar, but he's
into euthology, and he's breaking down the Bible and has
some beautiful stuff on the gods of the Bible and
breaking down words and spirituality in the Bible. But one
of his big things is UFOs and the UFO phenomena
and breaking it down from a Biblical perspective. And I
had them on and I asked them, I said, you
know why do you, you know, being a biblical scholar,
why are you going to like all of these UFO
conferences and presenting your work there versus going to the
churches and doing it, you know where like your main
audience you know is And at the time, he said,
it was because those people who are going to those
UFO conferences and listening to those podcasts, they are already
asking the bigger questions. And so if I was to
go to church and start talking about UFOs at the time,
most people, you know, call you a quack, or they
don't want to hear it, or they're not open for
that type of discussion and dialogue. So he found that
in ufology in the spiritual community, they're already open to
asking the bigger questions, and so he found us home there.
But I say, now Christianity's changing for sure as far
as being open for the conversation. There's a lot of
this going on in the churches now where they're talking
about it, and someone like doctor Michael Heizer is doing
a lot more stuff in churches, and myself being embraced
more these days in the churches and the stuff that
I've been bringing to the table for years. It hasn't
switched up, but like the church has kind of evolved
and caught up to begin to ask these questions and
they had to. If you don't, you'll get left behind.
And so but but I will say that when it
comes to euthology, uh, the majority of Christiendom, the majority
of researchers will say, hands down that UFOs are demonic
and UFOs are actual demons that want to possess you,
and they fly around in little ships that you know,
however they got them and they and they abduct people.
But that's the difference within you know, Christendom, and not
having a biased standpoint, but just being open for the information.
And so that was one thing that I was able
to appreciate because when I really got into euthology, it
was definitely hours and hours and hours of listening, listening
to Christians across the board say that their demons, their demons,
their demons. And then I would find weird scriptures and
I would find different testimonies where people were having beautiful
encounters and it sounded angelic. It's like, hold on, these
could they be angels? And I would hear some people
allude to some stuff where maybe it could be and
then I just began to open up and listen to
people who I felt weren't biased and it were just
people who didn't have some type of agenda or something
to prove. And that's when stuff started connecting for me
and I started having my own experiences. So you have
to be open, you know, you have to be open
for it. And even now again with the churches are
saying a lot more and embracing the conversation, seeing a
lot on TikTok all of these you know, the government
is coming clear about UFOs, but these things are interdimensional
in demons, and they're like, ah, these Christians are like
pushing this fear, you know, narrative and agenda and it's
totally not the case. Again though, just like we said,
the power of the mind, the power of thought, whatever
you believe, will show itself to you. And you begin
to find connections and synchronicities all about these demons that
fly around in spacecraft. You begin to watch those movies,
you begin to be led to those type of podcasts
and even books, and you fill your mind and your
imagination with this agenda, right, and you become biased. You
have a preconceived notion versus just looking at all of
the information and then make an assessment. I'm big on
that right now. Where people will just listen to one
side of a preacher or a sermon that says stay
away from this. It's really big right now. When we
talk about the Kundalini, you know, and that's kind of
a buzzword and a scary word for many Christians. The
Kundalini's a demon spirit as well. You know, everything is
a demon, marine demons, there's demons that live in the ocean. Like,
everything's demonic. And it's selling right now because people are scared.
You know, I don't it's crazy, but I don't believe
in it, but it's selling. So you have to when
it comes to research, got research both sides. Listen. I'm
cool with you listening to your pastor and listen reading
the Christian authors who say all all UFOs and experiences
are demonic and demons and they want to abduct you
and kidnap you. Fine, like that's cool if you listen
to that, but you have to go to the source.
You have to go to the other other side of
the research. I use. You know many authors that people
just demonize because of one quote. And I've been talking
about this Blovatsky or Manly p Hall, who have some
pretty you know, far out writings that can be scary
if taken out of context. And I've noticed a lot
of people, including myself, would like take them out of
context and judge their entire catalog on like one sentence,
one sentence and even taking it out of context. And
I've seen people who have lashed out at me about
what so and so believes so because they even if
they did believe it, and it's you know whatever, like
you're just gonna discredit their entire catalog of work and
and the good and the beauty that they've brought to
the table because something scared you. And Blovotsky for me,
was a perfect scenario just because I even judged her
or she's just be careful. She's a Charlatan, she was
a Satanist. You hear all kind of weird stuff, and
at the same time, she's really none of those, you
know what I'm saying. So for me being able to
go back to her work recently and read it for
the first time, like to make an assessment on somebody
that I've never read their work, I never really read
Blovotski's work. I may have seen some stuff online. I
may have watched a couple of documentaries. See what other
people have said, people trying to expose her. Stay away
and all this kind of stuff. Get a book and
read the book. Make an assessment. You got to everybody's
like again with the Kundalini conversation, Like people are listening
to these pastors and these you know, demonologists on YouTube
telling you what the Kundalini is and what it is
and why you should be afraid, and you stay away
from yoga because yoga is going to get you possessed
by an Eastern demon that masquerades as the Holy spirit
and tricks people called the Kundalini. And it's like just
like agreed upon doctrine now, And they asked me, what
do you think. I can give you my opinion in
what I think, but you need to look up their teachings,
Like go to some you know people who practice kunti
in the yoga and see what they say. No, they're
just gonna lie to you. They're gonna they don't know
what it is because the truth behind it is the demons.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You're you're already setting yourself up for failure. You're just
judging everything finger pointing. If you're gonna listen to your
pastor who tells you hands down that this is what
it is, and you just believe it because he's done
his research. He used to be a yoga instructor, and
now he's not because of Jesus. Like you gotta go
to somebody who's for it. Read both sides. Man. I
cannot stress that enough. Talk to the person, figure out
what they believe, Ask them what they believe, Ask them
what they believe, and they'll probably tell you. You know,
I'm gonna jump to the chat here. Stargate says, there's
a demon in every bush. Yeah, demon in every bush.
It's popular attempting to even get into it. You know,
I love demonology. I believe in lower level entities and
all that. But by here scaring folks and talking about
and making folks are making up demons. They're making up stuff. Now,
the marine Demons. Bob Larson just put out a video
Marine Demons. Heard a God do a teaching on how
the waters are demonic and how God like all the
fish in the grotesque beings and monsters and demons are
in the water, and they're marine demons and mermaid demons,
and it's all kind of just weird stuff that you're
making up. You really ain't got no biblical proof for it,
and you really ain't got no ancient proof for it
out of any text that there's demons like you know,
like all the fish are demonic and demons are in
the this craziness, but it sells. Man. You got to
make it up. You gotta have a gimmick. You gotta
keep making it up so you can you can win
the people. You can't give them something that they can
trace back because they can you know, see that you're lying.
Valerie Ford says, you were speaking of healing. I saw
a reiki massage done on a person with aids that
couldn't have a regular massage because of clotting. This man
was pale before the reiki was administered. When they were done,
he was flushed and sweating red. They never touched his body.
It was something I've never seen before. It was truly amazing. Yeah,
you can push and pull energy, you know, the laying
on of hands I feel in the biblical setting should
even be done with pushing and pulling energy. You know,
not to just put your hand on and ask for
a healing, ask for angelic assistance, Yes, but for you
to be trained in what it feels like to push
and pull with the laying on of hands and pulling
sickness out of somebody, pulling, you know, sending positive energy
and not just in a prayer, but you know, connecting
the imagination and with your heart center, pushing and pull
even with the breath, like I've seen it done with
the breath, Like like sucking energy out of people just
by putting your hands on them and breathing into it,
like and seeing people get healed, seeing people manifest like
spirits off of them that were you know, hurting them.
And I tap into the to the movies, this stuffs
in all the movies. They didn't make it up. Like
this stuff is out there, you know. Paul Wilcox says,
UFO and occupants come from both higher and lower realms,
just like good people, good people and bad people. Pheli says,
I ain't scared, open up, have no fear. People are
going to judge what they don't understand, So stop judging.
Love what you're saying. I hate that everything is a demon, yeah,
you know, and it just sucks that it's the church
that you know, they demonize everything that they don't understand,
you know, anything new or anything that isn't biblical like
or have a biblical reference. So you just got to
use biblical reference with them. You know, everyone has a gimmick.
Look at the heart and the intent. Don't be so
spiritual you have no common sense. Yep, I agree. So
hope you guys enjoyed this talk. I love hearing these stories.
And the more people we talk to, the more closer
we come to the truth. Everyone has a piece of
the puzzle. I think majority wins once you start asking
people these questions and they share it and they don't
have nothing to prove. It's just what it is. It
is what it is, take it or leave it. Judge
me laugh, I don't care. Let your freak flag fly.
It is what it is. Thank you guys for hanging
out tonight. We're gonna be doing the School of the
Mystics and tonight it's gonna be fun. I've got a
beautiful idea that I've been wanting to do and we're
gonna try it out for the first time. We're gonna
be doing seer training. We're talking about the seer realm
and how to see in the spirit, how to activate
the spirit realm, and how to see through personas. And
there is a technique that I want to do tonight
with the community. So if you want to be a
part of that, sign up on the Patreon and you'll
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That you get access to that by becoming a patron.
So really looking forward to doing that tonight. We go
through courses together again. We do open dialogue, prayer, meditation
and breath work all that, but tonight I want to
focus on doing a collective on how to see how
to see past personas.
Speaker 4: A man.
Speaker 1: The pieces demons make money. I can't tell you how
many people I see offering to deliver you from evil
for a fee. Yeah, it is. It's strange, like you know,
finding finding balance in that you know and uh and
whether it's you know, charging to deliver somebody versus telling
you like that you just got to stay bound up,
that you can't get delivered unless you pay. So I
get a lot of those those emails and stuff, and
people want to do sessions. I offer one on one
sessions for people for counseling for training, you know, if
it is deliverance, that hasn't been much deliverance lately. But
we also, you know, offer free stuff, and that's what
I tell people. Make sure that you know you have
something for free that you're offering. If you are going
to be charging for something, all the information is out there,
they have to just catch it on a live stream
or whatever. So that's one thing about it. But yeah,
the demon thing is very strange. It's more popular in
Christendom than angels are. And there should be less demons
than there are angels. Right, if a third of what
it was, a third of the angels fell and became
falling angels and demons or whatever, like, there's more that
didn't fall and didn't leave their first the state and
choose wickedness. So why all the talk about these lesser
beings in these lesser experiences when we should be talking
about the angelic? And so that's one thing that like,
even in the church settings, if you talk about demons,
like more people are prone to believe you, and yeah, yeah,
I've had those encounters too, But when you talk about
the angelic, there's a little bit of people being hesitant
and maybe not believing you when that should be more so.
People are looking for demons behind every corner, in every bush,
versus looking at the angelic and working with the angels,
versus seeing and working with demons, whether it's casting them
out or seeing a scene like if you can see
a demon in a video game, if you can see
a demon in a movie, if you can see a
demon here, demon there, Listen, you need to train yourself
to be able to see an angel in it too,
because there's more like see an angel in a video game?
How many how much of that conversation have we had,
like see an angel in a book or see an
angel here? And an angel and that you've trained yourself
to spot demons everywhere, and if there's not one, you
assign one to it. You're assigning demons to stuff, to people.
He got a demon. There's a demon on that guy,
for sure. I listened to his postodcast, I read his book.
He's got a demon Like what, okay, cool, we might
it might be a demon it everybody's shoulder, but there's
an angel. To train yourself to see the good, train
yourself to see the angels. That's what we're doing tonight.
We're going to train ourselves to see so if you
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the community that we have there. So thank you guys
for hanging out with me. Really enjoyed it. We'll do
it again very soon. Salm shalom, peace, so.
Speaker 3: Much, so much, so much.
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