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Speaker 1: on Neflum Death Squad Rider. For the audience who may
Speaker 1: not be familiar with you, where can they find your
Speaker 1: work and what is it that you focus on.
Speaker 2: I focus on all kinds of different topics, gentlemen, just
Speaker 2: like you guys do. And you can find me on
Speaker 2: Raised by Giants, on YouTube and any and all podcast platforms.
Speaker 2: I'm also a documentary, documentary, documentarian, documentarian, I think that's
Speaker 2: the word.
Speaker 3: You got it, document doctor.
Speaker 2: Tarian, tartarian, document tartarian, and I have two films on
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime, jfk X and A Clockwork Shining.
Speaker 1: Very cool, awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm excited to get into your work today
Speaker 3: because it's a little bit of a special preview something
Speaker 3: you're working on. And I think you realize that our
Speaker 3: little our spiel at some significant overlap and we probably
Speaker 3: get a lot of facts wrong. So I'm sure your
Speaker 3: research is much better than ours. Excited to hear about it.
Speaker 3: This is like Operation Stargate d I A CIA Secret
Speaker 3: Operations MK Ultra.
Speaker 1: Shit, what are we getting into?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: What's the name of it?
Speaker 2: Well? What got me has started down this rabbit hole
Speaker 2: was that I was studying the mk Ultra documents, just
Speaker 2: like you guys were. And I realized that.
Speaker 4: There were several.
Speaker 2: Subprojects of mk Ultra. There's one hundred and forty nine subprojects. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean that's the ones that we know of, right,
Speaker 2: because it said that it was said that a lot
Speaker 2: of them got destroyed, So a lot of the records
Speaker 2: of mk ultra, over half of them all got destroyed
Speaker 2: and burned.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: But out of the ones that we know of the
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty nine subprojects, there were five subprojects
Speaker 2: that was dedicated to psychic research and trying to induce
Speaker 2: these types of psychic experiences, you know, intuition, remote viewing, telekinesis.
Speaker 2: And I was like, huh, that's really interesting because I
Speaker 2: know that the government had a psychic spose remote viewing program,
Speaker 2: So are these two things connected. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I need to try and get a hold of these people.
Speaker 2: So of the people that are legitimately in the Stargate
Speaker 2: remote viewing program formerly was in the program. Which is
Speaker 2: another thing, because I think that they continued this program,
Speaker 2: they just did it under something completely different. They found
Speaker 2: a different use for it, and then they started doing that,
Speaker 2: and that's probably still going on to this day though
Speaker 2: we have really really no proof and no evidence other
Speaker 2: than there's a lady that was in the Stargate Psychic
Speaker 2: Spy program that is still working within the government. So
Speaker 2: all the people that are on the list that was
Speaker 2: officially in the program, which is less than twenty people,
Speaker 2: has ever been in the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit via
Speaker 2: Army Intelligence Act.
Speaker 1: That's another thing I thought it would be. They're really
Speaker 1: kind of keeping that under wraps.
Speaker 2: It's way smaller, and that's another issue and another problem
Speaker 2: because so many people claim to be a part of
Speaker 2: this Stargate program right when they're not and they never were.
Speaker 2: But there was another program that was kind of running simultaneously.
Speaker 2: They kind of had some overlap, which was the Gateway Program.
Speaker 2: And some people may have been a part of the
Speaker 2: Gateway program and they're getting it confused with the Stargate
Speaker 2: program because they're very similar in name and it was
Speaker 2: a long time ago, but that was done by Robert Monroe,
Speaker 2: as you guys probably know about the Gateway program, but
Speaker 2: those two names are very similar. So people could go
Speaker 2: to Robert Monroe at the Monroe Institute, and that was
Speaker 2: to try and induce an out of body experience by
Speaker 2: putting the frequencies in your head and you know, you
Speaker 2: put on listen to tapes, and then that was to
Speaker 2: induce an out of body experience. And now the only
Speaker 2: overlap between that is that a few people well from
Speaker 2: the Stargate program ended up going to the Monroe Institute,
Speaker 2: like Joe mcmonagall. He left the Stargate program and started
Speaker 2: up at the Monroe Institute and he's essentially the head
Speaker 2: of the Monroe Institute to this very day. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people that have gotten that kind of confuse.
Speaker 2: And you could essentially go to the Monroe Institute back
Speaker 2: in the day and pay them money and then you
Speaker 2: would go through this type of you know, gateway experience
Speaker 2: to try and induce an out of body experience. So
Speaker 2: but those things are not really connected at all. They
Speaker 2: are two separate things. But the only connection that there
Speaker 2: is is that I might be jumping the gun.
Speaker 4: A little bit here, But the UH.
Speaker 2: At some point Army Intelligence paid Robert Monroe in the
Speaker 2: Monroe Institute. I think it was like two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: It's in the official documents, around two thousand dollars to
Speaker 2: send their Army intelligence people to go to the Monro
Speaker 2: Institute to do this gateway program because they thought maybe
Speaker 2: somehow it would help with you know, what they were doing,
Speaker 2: like to try and see if any of the stuff
Speaker 2: is connected as an out of body experience connected to
Speaker 2: having psychic abilities, which I think that it is. I
Speaker 2: think that out of body experiences and INDE experiences or
Speaker 2: near death experiences are also connected because whenever you have
Speaker 2: an NDE experience, people normally come back different, right, So
Speaker 2: they whenever they leave their body or if they have
Speaker 2: an out of body experience and then they come back
Speaker 2: into their body, they're normally different. They normally want to
Speaker 2: change their lives. And that's another rabbit hole that I
Speaker 2: went down as well. It seems like that they are
Speaker 2: a completely different person whenever they come back. So it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what is coming back into them? Is that a different consciousness,
Speaker 2: is that a split consciousness, is that their own consciousness,
Speaker 2: is that their own consciousness mixed with some other consciousness.
Speaker 2: Who knows. No one really knows, but I think that
Speaker 2: more studying have been done into NDEs and these The
Speaker 2: psychic ability is because a lot of the people that
Speaker 2: I've talked to that were that claimed to be psychic,
Speaker 2: and some of the people that were a part of
Speaker 2: this official Stargate remote viewing unit by d i A
Speaker 2: and Army Intelligence have had near death experiences.
Speaker 1: I wonder if many of them have had abduction experiences,
Speaker 1: because there seems to be a big overlap and a
Speaker 1: lot of at least the patterns and the storytelling that
Speaker 1: people will come back from abduction experiences or even nd
Speaker 1: near death experiences, things of that nature. You know, it's
Speaker 1: this is a little bit of of an aside, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention this. I was watching what the
Speaker 1: hell is the name of the show Top with the
Speaker 1: autistic people I love on the Spectrum and I got
Speaker 1: to that part where the they mentioned synesthesia and the
Speaker 1: you know the one boyfriend autistic boyfriend, he associates numbers
Speaker 1: with colors. But what I thought was really significant about
Speaker 1: it is later on the girlfriend sings a song. Did
Speaker 1: you get to that part yet, Top where that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I buried my hand the head under the pillow.
Speaker 1: It's a very cringey moment, But I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a good song. Though it is a good song,
Speaker 1: like you could hear it on the radio. There was
Speaker 1: no verses. I mean there was no chorus, right, there
Speaker 1: was no hook. It was just fucking straight lyrics. Dude,
Speaker 1: Like she just killed it for three minutes. She didn't
Speaker 1: repeat shit. But I was listening to her and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not like she has a tremendous voice, but she
Speaker 1: knows exactly like where her pitch should be. And I
Speaker 1: started thinking about that where you were talking about perfect pitch,
Speaker 1: top and I'm looking at this couple and like, it's
Speaker 1: so strange because she does have this uncanny ability to
Speaker 1: present the correct pitch. This is a well done pop song.
Speaker 1: If you just reduced it a little bit and added
Speaker 1: a chorus, this could be a banger on, you know,
Speaker 1: on the radio. But then also his ability to see
Speaker 1: numbers associated with colors, I thought that was very strange.
Speaker 4: Any other guy, the.
Speaker 3: Other guy with the hat as well, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know where this is leading to, but he's
Speaker 3: like a DJ. Autistic dude, that's a DJ. And the
Speaker 3: girl that he was on the date with is naming
Speaker 3: every song and he's telling her the key signature and
Speaker 3: even the time slips within the song just by thinking
Speaker 3: about it. So that's perfect pitch.
Speaker 1: As well.
Speaker 3: It's like that's extreme perfect pitch, just thinking of the song,
Speaker 3: not even hearing it.
Speaker 1: The reason that I was thinking about that is because
Speaker 1: I know that there is a frequency that is associated
Speaker 1: with disassociation. So much of what we're looking at here,
Speaker 1: whether it's near death experiences or out of body experiences,
Speaker 1: astro projecting, remote viewing, you name it. Even the Monroe Institute,
Speaker 1: there's tapes. You could listen to the tapes and they'll
Speaker 1: they'll teach you in some way how to disassociate. And
Speaker 1: then even going back to like the Gates program, when
Speaker 1: you're listening to that and they're trying to find out
Speaker 1: if you're a fit for the gifted and talented, what
Speaker 1: the fuck ever? It's all frequency base. It's like they'll
Speaker 1: put a headset on you and they go can you
Speaker 1: hear that tone? Can you hear that tone? Can you?
Speaker 1: And they get harder and harder to perceive. But the
Speaker 1: in the Monroe method or whatever it's called, and then
Speaker 1: also in astral projection, there's like a binural beats aspect
Speaker 1: to it. So if you want to astral project, if
Speaker 1: you want to disassociate, there's actually and I'm not recommending
Speaker 1: people do this. But there are binural beats, there are
Speaker 1: frequencies that you can listen to that will get your
Speaker 1: your mind in the correct space to then somehow slip
Speaker 1: out of your body. And so basically what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is all of these things are are connected. There's a
Speaker 1: frequency or frequency is at the heart of all of this.
Speaker 2: I don't really trust those tapes though, because you have
Speaker 2: no idea what people put in there or what people
Speaker 2: actually did with those taps, like they could sneak in
Speaker 2: other different kinds of stuff into the tapes, Like who
Speaker 2: knows what's actually in those types of tapes, So I
Speaker 2: personally don't trust him. But apparently you have to have
Speaker 2: some sort of old school headphones for them to actually work,
Speaker 2: because apparently the types of frequencies that are coming through there,
Speaker 2: like the new headphones don't admit that old style type
Speaker 2: of frequency, So you have to have an old ass
Speaker 2: pair of headphones for them to work. But you're mentioning
Speaker 2: like this this idea that because I think it was
Speaker 2: a Thomas Campbell that was on Joe Rogan where he
Speaker 2: was essentially talking about the Monroe Institute, and he was
Speaker 2: really good friends with Robert Monroe. And he essentially every
Speaker 2: time that he would sit down and do a meditation,
Speaker 2: he would be outside of his body. And he was
Speaker 2: a computer programmer, right, and he was like like computer
Speaker 2: science stuff, and whenever he would sit down to meditate,
Speaker 2: he would instantly be outside of his body, and then
Speaker 2: he would see all of the errors in all of
Speaker 2: his code whenever he was set down to meditate. So
Speaker 2: then whenever he would go back to fix this code,
Speaker 2: he would automatically know where all the errors are. He
Speaker 2: didn't have to do any trial and error with any
Speaker 2: of his stuff. So something he was topping into some
Speaker 2: kind of information data field out there that was giving
Speaker 2: him the answers to his coat. I thought that was
Speaker 2: one of the more interesting Joe Rogan episodes of recent
Speaker 2: times because he's essentially talking about Robert Monroe and the
Speaker 2: Monroe Institute and how he would sit down and do
Speaker 2: this meditation and he would be given all this information
Speaker 2: about his work and how to fix his coat.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. I wonder if there's a connection there because
Speaker 1: we're aware of that guy, what is it the surgeon
Speaker 1: of the Rusty Knife or something like that, But in
Speaker 1: his issue, this is a guy that had no formal
Speaker 1: training in surgery, but then was able to still conduct
Speaker 1: surgery to quite a degree of success, caring people from
Speaker 1: various ailments, cutting tumors out, and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Previously he was just a taxi cab driver. But the
Speaker 1: story for that is outright that he was channeling. But
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, even the kids as well. They talk about
Speaker 3: the Akashak records. I don't even know what I think
Speaker 3: about that. I guess it's like this sort of thing
Speaker 3: that's in the etherial realm that can be tapped into
Speaker 3: and looked at.
Speaker 1: Is that what we're.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what that is. They like to throw that
Speaker 2: word out there, Aksha.
Speaker 4: I'm in their Kashak records.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing all the wreckers. I know exactly what's going on,
Speaker 2: and then they have no idea what that means or
Speaker 2: what that even is. It's like the halls of Amente, right,
Speaker 2: They're like a lot of this stuff is metaphorical and worcle.
Speaker 2: It's not like a literal place, and it's not a
Speaker 2: literal thing, and that's a really big issue too. But
Speaker 2: there was a place that I was going and I
Speaker 2: completely lost my train of thought. They're with their Kashak
Speaker 2: Records stuff.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, as in a side that
Speaker 1: our boy Donut made an attempt. I don't know what
Speaker 1: degree he found any success or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: he made an attempt to listen to the in road
Speaker 1: tapes to try to get into this remote viewing mind
Speaker 1: space and to try to view the Acacak records. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he had any success with that. He's
Speaker 1: still a podcaster, so I would imagine. No, I don't
Speaker 1: know what kind of things you gleamed from fucking the
Speaker 1: Acacak records, but if they're not helping you to get
Speaker 1: out of his grind, then I don't know what worth
Speaker 1: they actually are.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So essentially what happened was is I got a
Speaker 2: hold of the people that I knew that were verifiably
Speaker 2: in the Stargate program, A person.
Speaker 1: That you got a hold of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a majority of them on my show. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I had this one gentleman on that I met
Speaker 2: at UFO Mega Con like three or four years ago.
Speaker 2: His name is Trey Hodson. He's former d O D.
Speaker 2: He worked in the military and everything, and I had
Speaker 2: him on my show. I was like, hey, bro, like,
Speaker 2: you know, what do you know about this remote viewing stuff?
Speaker 2: Because the Remote Viewing Army Intelligence d IA program was
Speaker 2: also under the banner of the d D. So essentially
Speaker 2: the DoD runs everything, and there's these like sub people
Speaker 2: that are underneath it, that are that have the name
Speaker 2: that are essentially also running it, but it's all under
Speaker 2: the DoD. The Department of Defense essentially runs every single
Speaker 2: program regardless of it's all under the DoD banner, right,
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, what do you know about
Speaker 2: these remote viewing programs? And he was like, well, I
Speaker 2: know a lot about them, like I have all of
Speaker 2: the documents on them. And I was like okay. And
Speaker 2: at this time, very few of the documents were available online,
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't just type in Sunstreak remote viewing document
Speaker 2: and the CIA's website pulls up and you can read
Speaker 2: about it. Which is happening now. Yeah, like the Sunstreak
Speaker 2: document where they're talking about the arc of the Covenant
Speaker 2: being remote viewed, which I know exactly who the person was.
Speaker 2: It's been on my show that was the person that
Speaker 2: remote view dark at the company.
Speaker 1: Really, so what do you think about that claim?
Speaker 2: I haven't exactly gotten his opinion on it yet. But
Speaker 2: I've had all this information for around three years now.
Speaker 2: I've had all of the documents. I've known about this
Speaker 2: for a really long time, and I've kind of just
Speaker 2: been setting on it because I've been wanting to do
Speaker 2: something really big with it, been wanting to put together
Speaker 2: something really big. And it's going to be the basis
Speaker 2: of my newest and latest documentary that's going to be
Speaker 2: on this stuff. So you guys are getting a really
Speaker 2: big preview right now of the kind of essence and
Speaker 2: the basis of what that documentary is going to be.
Speaker 3: When will it be out? When do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm in the writing phases right now. I'm almost finished,
Speaker 2: you know, completely writing it, and then we'll probably go
Speaker 2: into production at the hopefully middle of summer. I'm going
Speaker 2: to try and knock out a few interviews in the
Speaker 2: middle of summer, so it probably won't be out for
Speaker 2: probably close to the end of the year.
Speaker 3: So what's rider, Yeah, exactly, I see David's a little
Speaker 3: clockwork and the monkey with the symbols, right though, right
Speaker 3: you're on the we California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's not a problem that's not solvable.
Speaker 1: We are having broken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brohe mean Grove is going to be the twentieth
Speaker 3: and the twenty first of June, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twentieth and the twenty first of June, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the material is going to be about this
Speaker 1: end Rider when it come home.
Speaker 3: Maybe we can we might be able to present you
Speaker 3: a little caveat if we can get you down there.
Speaker 3: We're going to have or I mean our plan is
Speaker 3: and we most likely will have a documentary crew that's
Speaker 3: going to be working on this, so recording most of
Speaker 3: this event that's going on, at least the conspiracy side,
Speaker 3: not necessarily the comedy side, and we were planning on
Speaker 3: doing our own documentary, but maybe we can collaborate or
Speaker 3: maybe there's something to do there if you you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll think about that. Put that in
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 1: Bit open invitation writer, and maybe we'll iron out some
Speaker 1: of those details later on. But yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 1: huge amount of overlap between what we're doing and what
Speaker 1: you're doing. But see your credit, you're actually talking to
Speaker 1: the bugging people that were there. Ye're doing that.
Speaker 2: And that was really important to me because, like I
Speaker 2: was mentioning, for sure, I'm one down with that. Let's
Speaker 2: the shot after the show, for sure, let's get in
Speaker 2: contact with that, because I'm definitely interested. But that was
Speaker 2: really important for me to actually reach out to the
Speaker 2: people that were involved in these programs. And I had
Speaker 2: some of these people on before, a lot of before
Speaker 2: they before freaking not Lex Freeman, what's his name, Sean
Speaker 2: Ryan had them on their show before he started delving
Speaker 2: deep into the remote viewing stuff, Like I had had
Speaker 2: Angela Ford on like three years ago, and then he
Speaker 2: recently just had Angela Ford on his show. So I've
Speaker 2: been in contact with these people and I know them
Speaker 2: and I consider myself pretty good friends with them, and
Speaker 2: it was important for me to actually talk to them
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of people that are like self
Speaker 2: proclaimed remote viewers, but they're not really remote viewing. And
Speaker 2: these government remote viewers will tell you that they're not
Speaker 2: remote viewing. They're using their imagination. There's a very and
Speaker 2: people can argue with me about this whatever, but you
Speaker 2: can now go on and see the document online. You
Speaker 2: can now go on and see the sun Street document. Okay. So,
Speaker 2: and that's where I got the bulk of my information
Speaker 2: because it essentially lays out the entire history of the
Speaker 2: government remote viewing program and their study and their interest
Speaker 2: into it. It's a very sophisticated process. Like you can't
Speaker 2: just sit down and close your eye and uh, remote
Speaker 2: view something. That's not the way the remote viewing works.
Speaker 2: It has never been designed that way. It's a very strenuous,
Speaker 2: sophisticated process. Like you have to have people that assign
Speaker 2: the target, and the person that is assigning the target
Speaker 2: cannot They have to be essentially be trained to assign
Speaker 2: the target. You can't just look at a photo of
Speaker 2: like let's say I have this freaking Antarctica reader's digest
Speaker 2: book here. I can't just look at the cover of
Speaker 2: this freaking Antarctica book and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: remote view Antarctica.
Speaker 1: Right. That's the way, if you look into it. We
Speaker 1: became aware of the remote viewing phenomenon, obviously peripherally aware forever,
Speaker 1: it's been around for so long, but we ended up
Speaker 1: knocking into it content wise when it came to the
Speaker 1: Cliff High predictions in his web boit and Cliff High
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, but this is
Speaker 1: our audience, so they fucking are they rolling their eyes
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 3: No, it's been long enough. They've probably be long enough.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, so they're not doing they're doing half an
Speaker 1: eye roll. This guy is that the guy from Cliff
Speaker 1: he's a remote.
Speaker 3: Viewing Dick Algaire. I think his name is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Dick.
Speaker 4: I've heard.
Speaker 2: I don't know about him though.
Speaker 1: So essentially what happens is Cliff High. He has a
Speaker 1: rudimentary AI bot that scrapes data off the Internet and
Speaker 1: through that data in conjunction with some emotionally charged vocabulary,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit weird. He's able to derive predictions,
Speaker 1: or at least the AI is able to derive predictions
Speaker 1: about the future, and it spits out key phrases and words,
Speaker 1: and it leaves Cliff Uh as the interpreter of these
Speaker 1: key phrases and words. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: it predicted was uh, the Donald Trump and Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: interview on the JRE. That happened. I guess a year
Speaker 1: a year ago? Now was it a year ago?
Speaker 2: How long? Well?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe ryder you could explain to us. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was about No, that was October. That was when Bohemian
Speaker 3: Grove happened, like a rape or the last and.
Speaker 1: It is just that to flesh out the rest of
Speaker 1: that prediction, he used a remote viewer.
Speaker 3: And there are numbers that he gave him, which I like,
Speaker 3: I don't understand that all works. He gave him. It
Speaker 3: was like are and then like maybe six numbers and
Speaker 3: the guy was able to take those numbers and then
Speaker 3: remote view whatever from that and he got.
Speaker 1: To your point, Cliff couldn't tell him details about what
Speaker 1: he wanted him to do.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. It's a it's a blind remote viewing.
Speaker 2: If you know the target, you can't remote view the
Speaker 2: target because your subconscious mind has already been tricked into
Speaker 2: believing what you're going to see.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's okay. So sometimes that's.
Speaker 2: What people don't understand. That's what they don't get about
Speaker 2: this remote viewing stuff. They think that they can just
Speaker 2: sit down and look at whatever and then just remote
Speaker 2: view it. That's not remote viewing. That's just sitting down
Speaker 2: and closing your eyes and using your freaking imagination of
Speaker 2: what you think that you're supposed to see. The remote
Speaker 2: viewers blind to the target. That's where the person that
Speaker 2: is assigning the target comes in. Okay, So the person
Speaker 2: that's assigning the target essentially has to So okay, this
Speaker 2: this the set of numbers right here. This was basically
Speaker 2: invented by Ingo Swan right, it's called coordinate remove viewing.
Speaker 2: But the coordinates isn't that They don't mean anything? Really,
Speaker 2: the cordinates don't mean anything.
Speaker 1: So are they somehow inherently charged with something exactly? Okay?
Speaker 3: Okay, in whoa, that's crazy. That's fucking even crazier.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's even crazier. Yeah, because because if they're coordinates,
Speaker 1: you go, oh, they've mapped out the astral realm, and
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not what's happening here. There is an
Speaker 1: intent that's imbued upon that coded you know, series of
Speaker 1: numbers and letters, and that's somehow, Uh, that other person,
Speaker 1: that remote viewer can tap into the intent that you've
Speaker 1: bestowed upon that code.
Speaker 2: That's exact.
Speaker 3: Another thing. So in the upper writing and corner in
Speaker 3: the in the middle of the page here he has
Speaker 3: like a it's a compass, and we think it's a
Speaker 3: spirit compass. Is this something that you've seen as well?
Speaker 2: Uh? What part am I looking at a little bit?
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: Circle with the cross?
Speaker 2: Well, this is like a sketch and what do they
Speaker 2: call it? An idio not an idiogram or there's a
Speaker 2: specific word for what they sketch out. So whenever the
Speaker 2: remote viewer is doing a remote viewing session, like a
Speaker 2: legit remote viewer, like a government remote viewer, people that
Speaker 2: have been trained to be able to remove you like,
Speaker 2: and some of these people within the Stargate program do
Speaker 2: train other people on how to remote view and they
Speaker 2: go through the process. So what essentially happens is whenever
Speaker 2: they're remote viewing, they sketch out, like all the details.
Speaker 2: Like if you were to pull up the well, you
Speaker 2: probably can't find it because it's not readily available online.
Speaker 2: But if you were to pull up the syndicate document
Speaker 2: from SRI from nineteen seventy three, you will see in
Speaker 2: the syndicate SRI document all the sketches that Pat Price
Speaker 2: and Ingo Swan was doing on the target that was
Speaker 2: given to them on the base in West Virginia, on
Speaker 2: the military base in West Virginia. So they essentially sketch
Speaker 2: everything out and then they write like little details because
Speaker 2: if they don't, then you're relying on total recall. You're
Speaker 2: relying on them to remember all the information but it's
Speaker 2: normally a lot of information coming at them at one time,
Speaker 2: so they have to sketch things out, they have to
Speaker 2: scratch things down. Like Joe mcmonagall, he got information that
Speaker 2: there was this big, huge hangar, this brand new submarine
Speaker 2: that was being built, unlike any other submarine that had
Speaker 2: ever been seen before, and then he sketched all that
Speaker 2: out and how it was, how it operated, what it
Speaker 2: looked like, the hangar that it was in, and that's
Speaker 2: how they got the information.
Speaker 1: See. I think this is a natural phenomenon, but that
Speaker 1: does need to be trained, because I think we all
Speaker 1: have something Like my grandmother, interestingly enough, was an alien
Speaker 1: abductee victim also wrote hand wrote a lot of paperwork
Speaker 1: on remote viewing. Unfortunately, she died when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: so like I never got to end ask her these questions.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, like why the fuck a woman would
Speaker 1: be writing paperwork on the process of remote viewing? Very
Speaker 1: very strange, but I think that, you know, she fancied
Speaker 1: herself a clairvoyant too. I think I have some remnant
Speaker 1: of that. But what gets in the way every single time,
Speaker 1: and I've like set out to do this, like I've
Speaker 1: laid down and be like, let's fucking go baby, because
Speaker 1: weird shit does happen. I do go to weird places,
Speaker 1: I do see weird things. As soon as I try
Speaker 1: to think about what the fuck is happening, everything goes away,
Speaker 1: Everything goes away. The second I scrutinize it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what am I seeing? What is this? What is this?
Speaker 1: As soon as I do it, just fucking it all
Speaker 1: fades away and I'm just looking at blackness behind my
Speaker 1: eyeballs again. So there's like there's an there's something that
Speaker 1: is intrinsic to us, like we have it. It's it's
Speaker 1: within our nature, or else we wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: train it right. But it seems like there is a process,
Speaker 1: because if there wasn't a process, like if it was
Speaker 1: just a natural, like think real hard type of thing,
Speaker 1: I'd have fucking done it already. I used to be homeless,
Speaker 1: and I would spend a lot of time in the
Speaker 1: dark at night, too sad to sleep, just looking at
Speaker 1: the blackness behind my eyeballs. That there is a process,
Speaker 1: I agree with that it needs to be trained. And
Speaker 1: then and then the question is should it I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it should, I'm still uh, you know,
Speaker 1: waiting around in those in those waters. But but I
Speaker 1: do think that there is a natural aspect to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what all of them will tell you, is that,
Speaker 2: you know, we all have this ability to do it.
Speaker 2: It's just like a muscle that needs to be exercised, right,
Speaker 2: Like you don't build muscle by not exercising and sitting
Speaker 2: on your count all day. Right, you have to go
Speaker 2: to the gym and like work that out, and you
Speaker 2: have to train yourself, and you have to have discipline.
Speaker 2: So if you're not flexing that muscle and you're not training,
Speaker 2: then it essentially just lays dormant. Yes.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Now the information that I've gotten into is which is
Speaker 2: the you know, the main reason that I'm you know
Speaker 2: here today, And it may not seem like it's important
Speaker 2: to a lot of people, but it's really important to me,
Speaker 2: right because I think that it's you. You have to
Speaker 2: understand how this Army Intelligence psychic spy program you know,
Speaker 2: came to be in the history of because it's very convoluted.
Speaker 2: There's several name changes, there's different funding apparatuses, and I've
Speaker 2: you know, so this is like a compilation of the
Speaker 2: basis of what's going to be my documentary. And I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously it doesn't have all the remote viewers testimony and
Speaker 2: exactly what they were doing in there in here, because
Speaker 2: this is based off of all of the documents that
Speaker 2: I have on remote viewing from official unclassified documents. So really,
Speaker 2: in order to like figure out the Stargate remote Viewing
Speaker 2: unit for me, first off, you would have to have
Speaker 2: a like, in order to be in this program, you
Speaker 2: have to have a military record of being in the program, right,
Speaker 2: because it's a military program. So several of the people
Speaker 2: that are claiming to be a part of this program
Speaker 2: are just lying and they're making things up, and that
Speaker 2: seems that is technically like committing stolen valor. Right, They're
Speaker 2: claiming things that absolutely cannot be verified and that they
Speaker 2: were never a part of, like they're pretending to be
Speaker 2: in the military. And that's another thing that people don't
Speaker 2: really realize because the CIA is one thing, the military
Speaker 2: is a completely different thing. And when people think that
Speaker 2: this was a CIA program, it's easy to say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, you really can't get in trouble for seeing
Speaker 2: that you were in some sort of CIA program. There's
Speaker 2: not really strict laws.
Speaker 4: Around that, but there are more.
Speaker 2: Strict laws when it comes to stolen valor and be
Speaker 2: saying that you were a part of a military program
Speaker 2: when you weren't. So everything that I'm getting ready to mention,
Speaker 2: unless I clarify and say that it's not a part
Speaker 2: of the documents and it's my own personal opinion came
Speaker 2: from these verified Defense Intelligence Agency unclassified documents. I've read
Speaker 2: them times and i even reread them to make sure
Speaker 2: that everything that I'm about to say is very accurate.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, before we do that, then I have
Speaker 1: to This is such a perfect time to end this
Speaker 1: for people.
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Speaker 1: they are, it's nice. And when somebody brings I read
Speaker 1: the documents, I double read the docum, and then I
Speaker 1: went back and I verified that I read the documents
Speaker 1: the right way. That's really nice. It's refreshing. We don't
Speaker 1: get that on this show. We don't read documents at all. Actually,
Speaker 1: we go entirely with our balls, which is why so
Speaker 1: very refreshing to hear that somebody has read something and
Speaker 1: are now going to present it to two dudes who
Speaker 1: can't read. I'm really looking forward to this, So pick
Speaker 1: it up wherever you'd like. Writer.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently a lot of people can't read. It seems
Speaker 2: like that. I know that you're joking, but a lot
Speaker 2: of Americans, like a lot of kids nowadays, can't read.
Speaker 2: They can't write, they can't spell, they can't tell time.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, but so pretty much all of the military services,
Speaker 2: at one point in time or another has been involved
Speaker 2: in psycho energetics. Now, psycho energetics is what is described
Speaker 2: in these documents. They don't come out and really say
Speaker 2: remove you, and they refer to it as psycho energetics.
Speaker 2: And most of the military services have found it that
Speaker 2: it's applications oriented, meaning that they found a use for it. Now,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that they all ran their own programs.
Speaker 4: They did not.
Speaker 2: But what I mean by that they were involved is
Speaker 2: that they would give tasking to Army Intelligence in the DA. Right,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that they all ran their own separate programs,
Speaker 2: but the CIA could task Army Intelligence and THEDIA to
Speaker 2: on a target. Right, So if we had a missing
Speaker 2: down the airplane in Russia or whatever, then the CIA
Speaker 2: would contact Army Intelligence and the DA on this target,
Speaker 2: and then they would have their remote viewers trying and
Speaker 2: remote viewer the missing down airplane.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: That's the way that it works. But people have lumped
Speaker 2: all of these things in together and think that everybody
Speaker 2: had their own remote viewing unit. But they didn't. Okay,
Speaker 2: So where all this starts is with SRI Stanford Research Institute,
Speaker 2: But the government was also doing studies in parapsychology earlier
Speaker 2: than Sri They did it with Duke University in the thirties,
Speaker 2: Parapsychology Foundation in New York in the fifties, Mind Science
Speaker 2: Foundation in the sixties, and a bunch of other research
Speaker 2: foundations and centers earlier than SRI. But the thing that
Speaker 2: kicked it off was SRI in the early seventies, So
Speaker 2: it's important to establish a little.
Speaker 4: Bit of background on SRI.
Speaker 2: SRI's first research investigation was whether a plant could be
Speaker 2: used as a source of natural rubbers, So from nineteen
Speaker 2: forty two to nineteen forty six that funding to figure
Speaker 2: out if a plant could be used as.
Speaker 4: A source of rubber for the war.
Speaker 2: For World War two, that funding got cut, so in
Speaker 2: nineteen forty seven, the Air Force wanted to determine if
Speaker 2: US aircraft the US aircraft industry had like expansion potential right,
Speaker 2: so after the war they were like, okay, well, how
Speaker 2: far can we expand this aircraft industry. SRI found that
Speaker 2: it would take too long to escalate the production and
Speaker 2: an emergency, so in nineteen forty eight, SRI began research
Speaker 2: and consultation for the Chevron Corporation to develop an artificial
Speaker 2: substitute for coconut oil and soap products. Right. So the
Speaker 2: reason for mentioning all that is to establish that SRI
Speaker 2: is a government contractor, and most government contractors are front
Speaker 2: for the intelligence community. And it's also establishing that SRI
Speaker 2: worked for the Air Force prior, which is very important
Speaker 2: thing to remember when we get into things later on.
Speaker 2: So s r I formally separated from Stanford Research, well,
Speaker 2: Stanford University.
Speaker 3: Sorry, when when was that study done about the rubber
Speaker 3: tree plant? The rubber plant?
Speaker 2: The rubber plant was in the nineteen forty.
Speaker 3: Two okay, alright. For some reason, I just like they
Speaker 3: used to sing with this dumbass song in school. It's
Speaker 3: a Frank Sitatra song, Yeah, the rubber tree plan. I
Speaker 3: was like, I never fucking like, what what are you
Speaker 3: talking about here? A rubber tree plant, but like over
Speaker 3: and over we'd sing it. I just wonder if there's yeah,
Speaker 3: the ants, yeah, mo, the rotary plane. It never really
Speaker 3: made sense to me, but I was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: it's a strange song the series I'm sorry rider.
Speaker 2: That was and it was done by srright, bro.
Speaker 1: It just triggered our MK ultra programming to shoot up.
Speaker 1: Something has happened with something fucking taken over.
Speaker 2: Me so SORI formally split from Stanford University in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy but it didn't become known as SRI International until
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, which is another contention. There's kind of
Speaker 2: two separations here going on. So you have SRI, you
Speaker 2: have Stanford Research, then you have SRI International, And that
Speaker 2: was in Palo Alto, California, which I was just in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and it drove through palow Aelto.
Speaker 2: But in nineteen seventy two, the United States Army Surgeon
Speaker 2: General through the Medical Intelligence Information Agency, together with the DIA,
Speaker 2: published studies of Soviet Bloc work in psycho energetics. And
Speaker 2: also in that same year SRI Stanford Research Institute started
Speaker 2: research on psycho energetics. So in nineteen seventy two, how
Speaker 2: put off in Russell Tard, they did a series of
Speaker 2: investigations of into the psychic phenomenon and this was funded
Speaker 2: by the CIA and had consciousness researchers Ingo Swan, pap Price,
Speaker 2: Uri Geller. That's where Uri Geller came out of. But
Speaker 2: then they got rid of him because they thought that
Speaker 2: he was some sort of masad infiltrator. But and this
Speaker 2: kicked off the Syndicate document that I was mentioning earlier,
Speaker 2: where you can read through the Syndicate document and you
Speaker 2: can see these the work and the remove viewing that
Speaker 2: Ingo Swan and Pat Price was doing on this target
Speaker 2: in West Virginia, and it's really incredible. I really recommend
Speaker 2: it if people can find it, just to look through it,
Speaker 2: because they're giving like details prob Like it's like impossible
Speaker 2: for somebody in California to know exactly what's going on
Speaker 2: in West Virginia, what this facility looks like, what's they had,
Speaker 2: the wind speed, they knew how windy it was, what
Speaker 2: the temperature was, and all this is recorded in this document.
Speaker 2: So Syndicate was the SRI project to determine if remote
Speaker 2: viewing psycho energetic phenomenon was real, because if it was possible,
Speaker 2: then that the you know, the subjects that SRI were
Speaker 2: working with on like the psycho energenetic phenomenon, and if
Speaker 2: they could be using psychic powers to collect information, that
Speaker 2: could they be getting that information subliminally? How are they
Speaker 2: getting this information? So that was SRI's study is to
Speaker 2: verify are they really psychics or are they really using
Speaker 2: their psychic abilities.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm thinking about how you would try to dismiss that,
Speaker 1: because obviously you wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions,
Speaker 1: and you'd want to try to, uh, you know, disprove
Speaker 1: this if there was any way possible, right, you said, like,
Speaker 1: are they subliminally getting Like I can't fucking think if
Speaker 1: somebody accurately is describing the wind speed on the other
Speaker 1: side of the country, you know, among many other confirmable details,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know how the fuck I couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: how to reach to dismiss that.
Speaker 2: I really I think some things are like, oh, well
Speaker 2: are they are they getting it from memory? Like are
Speaker 2: they just making are they just making stuff up?
Speaker 1: But right, I mean there is a chance, right, you
Speaker 1: make up some shit and it ends up being correct.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's gonna be a probability when it
Speaker 1: comes to how often whatever your success ratio is, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna really shit on on your ability to dismiss that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was one of their tests. That's what
Speaker 2: they were doing. They were doing in a series of
Speaker 2: tests like all back to back and to see how
Speaker 2: accurate the remove viewers actually were. And this gentleman named uh, well,
Speaker 2: it's referred to in the documents as a businessman, but
Speaker 2: we now know his name was Pat Price. They just
Speaker 2: referred to him as Pat in the official documents. So
Speaker 2: when Pat Price got the this coordinate that was given
Speaker 2: to him by how put Off in Russell Targ, he
Speaker 2: remote viewed this area in West Virginia. Now it was
Speaker 2: supposed to be one of I think that it was
Speaker 2: either how put Off or Russell Targ's like cabin that
Speaker 2: was in West Virginia. So whenever they got their coordinate
Speaker 2: and Pat Price remote viewed it, he was like he
Speaker 2: was describing this facility that had like radar systems, and
Speaker 2: it was it was a US top secret facility that
Speaker 2: well not right over the hill of this guy's cabin,
Speaker 2: just right on the box side of the of the
Speaker 2: hill from where this cobbon was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chances are he doesn't go over the hill. He
Speaker 1: goes fucking through it under in some shit.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's a tunnel system. Get at it here, man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just want to say too on this topic of
Speaker 1: like you know, you're laying out how this thing was compelling,
Speaker 1: but still there's strenuous testing that has to be done
Speaker 1: to confirm whether or not this is an actual phenomenon
Speaker 1: or is it just guessing or is it something like that.
Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason that I find the
Speaker 1: whole telepathy tapes thing so underwhelming. It's overwhelming in the
Speaker 1: way that it connects to a much bigger picture, and
Speaker 1: it's there seems to be some obfuscation that's that's embedded
Speaker 1: within the telepathy tapes to paint a narrative in a
Speaker 1: certain light. But the reality of the situation is there.
Speaker 1: They have these children, they're displaying these things, and then
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, anecdotally it seems to be, you know, working,
Speaker 1: but obviously this is groundbreaking and we have to do research.
Speaker 1: It's like, the fucking research already been done, dude, it's all.
Speaker 1: It's not groundbreaking. This has been happening for a long
Speaker 1: fucking time. A lot of what these kids are describing
Speaker 1: in the telepathy tapes is remote viewing, because it's not
Speaker 1: just telepathy. It's interesting they called the telepathy tapes because
Speaker 1: some of these children are describing how they can be
Speaker 1: any absolutely anywhere they want to fucking be, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, that's remote viewing in my opinion. Uh, but
Speaker 1: it's just really funny that the way that the public
Speaker 1: is receiving this is it's groundbreaking, it's a new development,
Speaker 1: and we got to study this shit asap. But what
Speaker 1: you're telling me, writer is that these breakthroughs have been
Speaker 1: happening for a long time, and there are governing bodies
Speaker 1: and there are intelligence agencies and military operations that have
Speaker 1: a vested interest in finding out whether or not this
Speaker 1: phenomenon is real.
Speaker 3: We we also had some weird evidence come to us
Speaker 3: about about these tapes and these children with the idea
Speaker 3: of the hill that they're meeting on this hill. That hill, Yeah,
Speaker 3: on the other side of as a government agency. Uh,
Speaker 3: somebody just said that they're they're nonverbal autistic kid. I
Speaker 3: guess was They were watching the episode our episode with
Speaker 3: this woman named Fringe who's an abductee, and we kind
Speaker 3: of touched on this, and a listener's nonverbal autistic kid
Speaker 3: reported to her that her kid then told her that, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's been to the hill, and she says, where is
Speaker 3: it and the kid just said, utah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So so she's listening to our episode. She
Speaker 1: turns to her own autistic child and says, have you
Speaker 1: ever been to the hill? And the kid goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she goes where is it? And this kid
Speaker 1: just is fucking Utah. And Utah is fascinating to me
Speaker 1: because of all the like electromagnetic disturbances there. I think
Speaker 1: that plays with frequencies in a huge way that suggests
Speaker 1: that there's something in the geography of Utah specifically that
Speaker 1: is like thinning the veil frequencies and entities are coming
Speaker 1: in and out and of all places for his Hidinwalker Ranch, yeah,
Speaker 1: Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 3: Things like that. So I don't know where to put that.
Speaker 3: It's just something that we've gottene.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. And of course if you look into Utah
Speaker 1: there are two major military bases. I forget what they are,
Speaker 1: So it's like there's military bases, there's national forests in
Speaker 1: their Skinwalker Ranch. So there's plenty of places, you know,
Speaker 1: in Utah where this could be happening. But yeah, just
Speaker 1: a strange aside is all well.
Speaker 2: Also, Utah was one of the first states to do
Speaker 2: these like wilderness retreats for like troubled teens.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that's fucking nefarious. Troubled teens. Wilderness getaways for
Speaker 1: troubled teens. Man, I wonder how many of those trouble
Speaker 1: teens fucking went m I.
Speaker 2: A yeah, that's a uh. That was a really big
Speaker 2: issue with Utah, and they're still doing them to this
Speaker 2: very day. Like there's still things like the behavioral treatment
Speaker 2: of like troubled teens is like a huge industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because those troubled teens have pestered and set
Speaker 1: their parents to no end. If they went missing, some
Speaker 1: of those parents would fucking breathe a sigh of release.
Speaker 1: They said.
Speaker 3: It started in this sixties, the starting with initiatives like
Speaker 3: those at the Brigham Young University in the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3: The Mormon connection is also.
Speaker 1: Fascinating, white shady, Yeah, interesting stuff, Mormons. What do you
Speaker 1: what are you Mormons up to out there?
Speaker 2: And then that turned into like facilities right like after
Speaker 2: it became like this wilderness retreat thing where they would
Speaker 2: have these kids, these trouble teens hiking for the entire
Speaker 2: summer in the mountains of Utah. Then it turned into
Speaker 2: like a like a facility where they would be abducted
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, like their parents would
Speaker 2: pay this company to come to their house in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then put them in, put them in a blocked
Speaker 2: out van, and drive them to this freaking facility.
Speaker 1: Imagine that. Imagine and some of those kids, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they experimented on. So imagine never knowing like you thought
Speaker 1: it was you were going to do to your kid.
Speaker 1: You're going to show them what it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: have these motherfuckers showup in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and then you you effectively just trafficked your child. I
Speaker 1: was I was watching I was watching A Stranger Thing
Speaker 1: season one again. It's honestly a tremendous show and it's
Speaker 1: really great, man, especially that first season, and it had
Speaker 1: been so long since I watched it. I was fucking
Speaker 1: floored with how transparent they are in that in that
Speaker 1: first season where they're like, they're telling you is mk ultra,
Speaker 1: you know, trauma based fucking disassociative disorders, like all this
Speaker 1: crazy crap. They're just saying it. That's they're telling you,
Speaker 1: that's where Elevin comes from. Is a m K ULTRA
Speaker 1: breakaway branch essentially, And you know that her father, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's always that's that's honestly. I made a tweet the
Speaker 1: other day. It fell on deaf ears wasn't the banger
Speaker 1: that I thought it was. But I just said, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it happens constantly. I said, disassociation by way
Speaker 1: of sensory deprivation. That's kind of how you can summarize
Speaker 1: this whole thing. And that sensory deprivation manifests multiple things,
Speaker 1: right because in stranger Things, eleven is creating a float tank,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's a sensory deprivation tank. But then
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, another form of sensory
Speaker 1: deprivation is where you deprive children of their own autonomy
Speaker 1: and connection to their physical body, you know, by way
Speaker 1: of inoculation or some shit like that. And then even
Speaker 1: even in the the let's say, the the UFO phenomenon,
Speaker 1: I think there is a huge motivation to disassociate when
Speaker 1: when you're when you're taken or perceivably taken by entities,
Speaker 1: it causes it splits the mind, you know, because you're
Speaker 1: dealing with what's up?
Speaker 3: Check this out? This is a what's going on in
Speaker 3: doctor Phil's wrench?
Speaker 1: No, doctor Phil, by the way, did that to catch
Speaker 1: me outside girl?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 1: This is whisked her away and took her to a
Speaker 1: fucking facilit where they abused her and she she actually
Speaker 1: took arms again.
Speaker 3: Turn about ranch in Utah. It's a facility that we're
Speaker 3: talking about trouble, Yeah, and shit. So they're claiming physical, emotional,
Speaker 3: and sexual abuse at the ranch. Yeah, seem like he
Speaker 3: just said that he's negligent of like knowing. And then
Speaker 3: there was a murder in twenty sixteen as well. Damn man,
Speaker 3: this is this is sixteen.
Speaker 1: That's what that fucking what's that girl's name? To catch
Speaker 1: me outside? Girl?
Speaker 3: What that baby?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: That baby? That's right? That kid. Nobody listens to her
Speaker 1: because she's fucking out of her mind, you know, because
Speaker 1: she thinks she's black or whatever the case is. But uh,
Speaker 1: she got taken to that facility, and then when she
Speaker 1: came out, she dedicated a lot of time and resources
Speaker 1: to like effectively whistleblowing on that facility and saying that
Speaker 1: there was all kinds of abuse and that she was
Speaker 1: abused there, and that they're just doing this, that it's
Speaker 1: a rotating.
Speaker 2: Perpetual thing. Yeah, Parasol went through the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's going on in Utah. Some shit is
Speaker 1: going on in Utah. That's fucking fascinating.
Speaker 2: Because if the Canyon bro that's where Paris Sultan went
Speaker 2: to was Provo Canyon, is that in Utah teen behavioral facility?
Speaker 2: I think the Provo canyons in it might be in Arizona.
Speaker 2: It's either in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Or but that's like very much the same place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the but it's the exact same type of
Speaker 2: facility right next.
Speaker 1: To each other, right, Arizona and Utah. I'm geographically retarded,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I drove through both of them
Speaker 1: when I went to Vegas. So right there schools going
Speaker 1: on in Utah.
Speaker 3: I like these episodes where we start to connect dots,
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 1: Rl so dumb and then with somehow though everyone's a while,
Speaker 1: we're like this makes sense. Oh that's so cool man.
Speaker 1: So as these kids are getting molested, it's super cool.
Speaker 2: God man, But it doesn't it doesn't help them. And
Speaker 2: it's like and the problem is is that the parents
Speaker 2: send these kids to these teen behavioral places. A lot
Speaker 2: of them are not bad kids.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's that's the issue.
Speaker 2: That's the problem with the whole thing. Like any parent
Speaker 2: that sends their their kid to one of these facilities
Speaker 2: full damn well knowing exactly what it is. Like they're
Speaker 2: not they're probably not that bad of a kid, and
Speaker 2: that's the and whenever they get in there, dude, they're
Speaker 2: freaking hit with all this like mind control programming, Like
Speaker 2: they're taught to be a certain way, they all have
Speaker 2: to dress the same, they all wear a uniform. They're
Speaker 2: trying to break you, they're trying to literally break you down,
Speaker 2: and but it never works. It just makes them one
Speaker 2: hundred times worse. And Paris Hilton was lucky because her
Speaker 2: you know, her family owns all the Hilton Hotel, so
Speaker 2: she was already rich and she was like already famous,
Speaker 2: so she was able to escape that. But many of
Speaker 2: them that have been through these programs, their lives do
Speaker 2: not get better. They often get worse. And I think
Speaker 2: that these types of facilities are what some of the
Speaker 2: Secret Space program people have been through. And they've covered
Speaker 2: up that trauma of going through one of these team
Speaker 2: health facilities by thinking that they that they were in
Speaker 2: some sort of top secret government which it was. It
Speaker 2: was a government funded facility. Normally a lot of these
Speaker 2: are government funded facilities, right, and and they've replaced that
Speaker 2: trauma with some fantasy.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, yeah, that's that's actually kind of natural to do.
Speaker 3: Create some kind of a story to block out this
Speaker 3: time frame. Yeah, that's dark, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look in the WASP programs. That's that's what they want.
Speaker 2: It's like this curriculum that a lot of these behavioral
Speaker 2: teen health facilities are, it's called WASP programs. But I
Speaker 2: actually ran into a girl that went to one of
Speaker 2: these in Utah, but I was not familiar with it
Speaker 2: at the time. I worked in a behavioral health alcohol
Speaker 2: and drug treatment center for around five years and I
Speaker 2: had ran into her. She was like really young, she
Speaker 2: had just like turned eighteen, and she was showing me
Speaker 2: photos of this facility that she was at in Utah
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 4: She was all.
Speaker 2: She was like telling me all the stuff. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't registering with me at the time because and when
Speaker 2: you're dealing with people that are, you know, drugging alcohol,
Speaker 2: people like you don't know exactly what is true, what's
Speaker 2: not true? Are they just making stuff up? But she
Speaker 2: was showing me the photos of her in this facility
Speaker 2: and all the things that she was that they were
Speaker 2: doing to her, and what were they do I didn't
Speaker 2: even think of that until I had gone down this
Speaker 2: huge rabbit hole and then I watched a few documentaries
Speaker 2: on it. There's a documentary on Netflix called Camp Hell,
Speaker 2: which is all about the Utaheen behavioral stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't is that the one that that catch
Speaker 1: me outside girl had something to do with or no.
Speaker 2: She was walking like twenty ten, I think documentary.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many of these treatment centers are
Speaker 1: in Utah.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, right, I'm glad that you actually
Speaker 3: worked in the field, because you know, it's come to
Speaker 3: my attention that you have to actually visit a place
Speaker 3: to be able to even talk about it, so like that,
Speaker 3: I'm glad that you've, you know, hands on experience. Otherwise,
Speaker 3: how the fuck would we know anything?
Speaker 1: You know, right exactly?
Speaker 2: You just can't talk about things in places that you've
Speaker 2: never been.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm getting at least six here, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's a lot, but we have Sunrise Treatment Center,
Speaker 1: Youth Care Treatment Center, Elevation's RTC, new Haven Residential Treatment Center,
Speaker 1: Embark Behavioral Health, Solstice West, and Copper Hills Youth Center.
Speaker 1: Those are all, uh, it looks like they're all in Utah.
Speaker 3: We're getting a little off off subject.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I just like you know how it is
Speaker 1: we step in something faint.
Speaker 3: Fluctuating wildly from whatever you were saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So where was I with the oh, the
Speaker 2: Ingo Swan and the Pow Price document? So Pop Price
Speaker 2: got this coordinator for the base, Well, wasn't the base,
Speaker 2: it was the cabin and then he removed viewed the
Speaker 2: base and no one knew about this base. It was
Speaker 2: a top secret base. So then that coordinator was also
Speaker 2: given the Ingo Swan for him to verify Pop Prices
Speaker 2: remote viewing of this top secret military base in West Virginia.
Speaker 2: So how put off and Russell Targa asked him to
Speaker 2: view this location again to see if they can get
Speaker 2: in inside look for or documents to try and obtain
Speaker 2: code word information right with his psychic abilities, with his mind. Okay,
Speaker 2: so Pat Price went back to the facility. He remove
Speaker 2: viewed the facility again. And this is the mind blowing
Speaker 2: thing of this entire thing. This document is literally insane,
Speaker 2: which is also talked about on Psychic Spies, the documentary
Speaker 2: by Russell targ on remote viewing. But it's just so fascinating.
Speaker 2: So pot Price remote viewed the location again. He literally
Speaker 2: got inside of the facility with his mind and was
Speaker 2: looking around and he saw a dusk that had top
Speaker 2: secret information papers on the desk, and he could read
Speaker 2: the words that was on the paper. It was words
Speaker 2: like a fly trap, mine run. There was a foul
Speaker 2: cobinet on the wall that was labeled Operation Pool. Folders
Speaker 2: on the inside of the cabinet labeled c ball fourteen ball.
Speaker 2: It was rock up like it was all code words
Speaker 2: that was based on the game Pool. Okay, And he
Speaker 2: said that the psyche the site resembled a name vaguely
Speaker 2: like hay Fork or Haystock, which is the code name
Speaker 2: for the facility. He even got the names of the
Speaker 2: generals at the facility, Colonel RJ. Hamlin, Major George R. Nash,
Speaker 2: like all these people. And this got the attention of
Speaker 2: the de IA in Army Intelligence, right, like this dude
Speaker 2: is using psychic abilities to get all this top secret
Speaker 2: information that nobody is supposed to know about, right, And
Speaker 2: this got all of the intelligence people, all the military
Speaker 2: community community all really interested in this phenomenon. I'm sure
Speaker 2: scared the shut out of them, right, I personally believe,
Speaker 2: you know, because if someone can get access to top
Speaker 2: secret military information, like classified information with their minds. Okay,
Speaker 2: then could our enemies do that exact same thing?
Speaker 1: Jig is up right. Well, that's what's kind of fascinating
Speaker 1: to me is that we built all this apparatus of
Speaker 1: secrecy and government buildings and facilities, and you know, the
Speaker 1: Pentagon houses so many national security secrets and things like that.
Speaker 1: But this psychic phenomenon, I still do think is one
Speaker 1: that is natural to a degree and then can be
Speaker 1: trained even further. And I don't know, it's like, how
Speaker 1: long have we existed on this planet. It almost feels
Speaker 1: like this should have been something that we knew we
Speaker 1: were capable of. And if we've always known that, like
Speaker 1: let's say, as a race, we just always knew like, yeah,
Speaker 1: motherfuckers are gonna pop in and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: flip through your secret cabinet with their brain, then we
Speaker 1: would have gone about a totally different way of maintaining secrets,
Speaker 1: a totally different way of housing information. You know, we
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have drawers and file cabinets, or at least
Speaker 1: we fucking they wouldn't have glass on them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's just it's it's fascinating that
Speaker 1: this thing seems to have so much veracity. It seems
Speaker 1: very real to me, and I think that.
Speaker 2: They've done that. I think that they have well, I
Speaker 2: mean it's been reported. It's not in any official documentation,
Speaker 2: but it's been reported that there are buildings that the
Speaker 2: government has that they've blocked.
Speaker 1: All over everything. Yeah, I laying blankets and ship over
Speaker 1: all my death. I wonder if that's what they've done, because,
Speaker 1: like I said.
Speaker 2: They've made some sort of special wall apparently.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting, and they can't see through like a cage.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, some sort of something.
Speaker 2: Again, it's that's just it's been reported that that's what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: I wonder if would work because I often think about
Speaker 1: when people are remote viewing, if you could perceive them,
Speaker 1: what would you p them as some people are like
Speaker 1: you might see them as orbs like ghost hunters and
Speaker 1: shit like that. But it seems to me like we
Speaker 1: would we would exist as frequency, Like the best way
Speaker 1: you could detect if somebody was viewing you, you would
Speaker 1: have a better shot of detecting a frequency that was you.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the material that Fringe said she put
Speaker 3: she put a helmet over her head when she was
Speaker 3: going to sleep, because these abductions were happening so frequently
Speaker 3: to her, uh, not just abductions, but like weird visitations,
Speaker 3: and she got a sense that they were physical, like
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: More physical than she said it was. But she puts
Speaker 1: some sort.
Speaker 3: Of helmet on like this, like a magneto helmet, and
Speaker 3: it's made of this like a I kind of want
Speaker 3: to say that it's like that ship that Uh it's not,
Speaker 3: though Ian Crosson's always talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh like a damn, what the hell is he always
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Effectively, Yeah, but Ian Crossland is constantly obsessed with uh.
Speaker 3: This this type of material is like it's like a rubber,
Speaker 3: but it does specialize in kind of like weird electric
Speaker 3: magnetic signals. She had it on, she actually realized that
Speaker 3: she woke up with it tampered because it was put
Speaker 3: back on her head totally different ye, backwards. So I
Speaker 3: just want to wonder if they're using that a similar
Speaker 3: technology where she would even get the inclination to use
Speaker 3: that kind of thing to stop I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, but it would be fascinating to find out
Speaker 1: that the way that they're blocking remote viewers from seeing
Speaker 1: their room is by covering it in like Faraday material
Speaker 1: or some shit like that. That would be like really
Speaker 1: big confirmation. Just once again in the in the frequency
Speaker 1: energetic division of this conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, when you look at the X Men, you just
Speaker 2: brought up magneto, I mean that was this whole thing, right,
Speaker 2: You would put the helmet on to keep Professor Xavier
Speaker 2: from getting inside of his head and influencing him to
Speaker 2: do stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Well she is the known remote viewing technique.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, people, and then if you get into.
Speaker 2: People's heads and influence them to do things that they
Speaker 2: would otherwise never do, that's what which is crazy. Russia
Speaker 2: was doing. Russia had the very first program. Now this
Speaker 2: isn't in official documents either. This is something completely different
Speaker 2: now Lin Buchanan, which is verified, and it was in
Speaker 2: the Stargate program. He was one of the top remove
Speaker 2: viewers in the Stargate program. He's the one that the
Speaker 2: entire movie The Men Who Starre at Goats is based
Speaker 2: off of. H Yeah, Lim Buchanan, Okay, he was the
Speaker 2: last time that he was on my show, we were
Speaker 2: talking about remote influencing and uh, you know this perfect
Speaker 2: side integration where the bilocation aspect where you can remove
Speaker 2: you and influence theore environment, which sounds like what these
Speaker 2: kids are doing in the telepathy tapes. They're doing the
Speaker 2: form of bilocation, right, which is called perfect side integration,
Speaker 2: which is a like really advanced form of removeviing created
Speaker 2: by Ingo Swan. So Linn was telling me that the
Speaker 2: Russians were the first to create a remote influencing.
Speaker 1: Program, so they would.
Speaker 2: Essentially get into targets heads, yeah, plant thoughts, plant ideas
Speaker 2: to try and influence them to do something that they
Speaker 2: normally wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Do, which is what we've been saying these entities are
Speaker 1: doing for the longest time, right, And and we're not
Speaker 1: just saying that. We always go back to the muse
Speaker 1: kind of a narrative where it's like great works that
Speaker 1: came out of Greece were often attributed to the muses
Speaker 1: and you know, great works of art or things like that,
Speaker 1: and people still maintain that the inspiration for their you know,
Speaker 1: their works. Oh, it came to me in a dream.
Speaker 1: It came to me in a fugue state. It came
Speaker 1: to me in a state when I was, you know,
Speaker 1: under the influence of this drug or that drug. So
Speaker 1: it seems like we're just taking a play out of
Speaker 1: the book of these spiritual entities who who nudge us
Speaker 1: this way in that way, you know, because we talk
Speaker 1: about it on the show. It's like, so many of
Speaker 1: your ideas aren't your own. They seem to be intrusive.
Speaker 1: They pop up in your head, especially the ones that
Speaker 1: you would call inspired. So something else outside of you
Speaker 1: is potentially funneling these these thoughts and ideas into your head.
Speaker 1: And it feels like some part of our government was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we could do that shit too, baby.
Speaker 3: Oh. The material is called vellostat velos yeah or link
Speaker 3: links that l I n q st a T. It's
Speaker 3: a conductive plastic material.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wonder the reason I was thinking of
Speaker 3: what they said here graphine oxide is it's infused with
Speaker 3: carbon black, and I guess it gives it this kind
Speaker 3: of like black sheen look to it. But she was
Speaker 3: using it as like a weird helmet.
Speaker 1: And that's probably what gives it its conductivity because plastic
Speaker 1: not is really kind of an insulator right at a conductor.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting a hybrid there. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you writer before you go any further. You've communicated with
Speaker 1: a lot of these people, and you've looked into their stories.
Speaker 1: These remote viewers in particular, we find that pretty often
Speaker 1: if you find some buddy who is involved in this
Speaker 1: situation and they are communing with different you know, let's
Speaker 1: just call them frequencies for now, for this conversation. Every
Speaker 1: once in a while you'll find and in their old age,
Speaker 1: they lost their fucking mind and became schizophrenic. How how
Speaker 1: are these people faring, the the remote viewers that you've
Speaker 1: looked into, Are they just like crushing now and they're
Speaker 1: they're having a good life. They're retired and everything's all good.
Speaker 1: Are they are some of them? Have they lost their minds?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. All of them are doing great?
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Several of them also teach remote youing courses. They
Speaker 2: train people on how to remove you and a few
Speaker 2: of them, I'm not going to say who, but I
Speaker 2: know personally the government comes to yeah to remove you
Speaker 2: stuff for them on the side, like an they're essentially
Speaker 2: exactly Yeah, huh.
Speaker 1: That is fascinating. That is fascinating. The reason that I
Speaker 1: asked is because I am wondering of the morality of this.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a natural phenomenon. It seems to
Speaker 1: be something that you can train. It seems to be dangerous,
Speaker 1: but no more dangerous or or less dangerous than just
Speaker 1: going into any uncharted territory that you're not familiar with,
Speaker 1: you know what, what exists here or what doesn't. And
Speaker 1: to me, it would be a tremendous red flag. If
Speaker 1: all of them were fucking, you know, drooling and full
Speaker 1: of dementia and you know, uh, plagued by disembodied voices,
Speaker 1: I would go, Okay, well, that's a good indicator not
Speaker 1: to fucking do this. But it doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: the case.
Speaker 2: No, it's not the case. They're all highly successful. One
Speaker 2: of them is still a contractor for the government and
Speaker 2: runs his own business it completely separate from remote viewing.
Speaker 2: He does things for the army, yes, like a medical
Speaker 2: supply for the military, like on his own like supper thing.
Speaker 2: So they're all highly successful. They all do their own thing. So,
Speaker 2: but I think that that's like a thing for people
Speaker 2: that like just like already have like problems and like issues,
Speaker 2: and then they think that they're remote viewing and then
Speaker 2: they're not really remote viewing. So then they kind of
Speaker 2: lose their mind within that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think also if you if you started a bad
Speaker 1: place and you're susceptible to that sort of thing. So
Speaker 1: I do maintain I believe that there are entities that
Speaker 1: inhabit these spiritual realms, and the negative ones they feed
Speaker 1: off of us like an energetic exchange. They seem to
Speaker 1: eat negative energy. So I suppose it might be reasonable
Speaker 1: to assume if you went into that realm as a
Speaker 1: beacon of anger, depression, sadness, anxiety, all that shit, then
Speaker 1: you might attract something.
Speaker 3: But these people are not. They're not going into another realm.
Speaker 3: But like astral projection and remote viewing are.
Speaker 1: Well, those are two different things, right. A projecting is
Speaker 1: an astral realm. Remote viewing is viewing this realm or
Speaker 1: apparently fucking Mars. I don't know which, I guess is
Speaker 1: this realm. But we had just had that that news
Speaker 1: article come out from like the New York Times, where
Speaker 1: the New York Times is like, oh, fucking you know,
Speaker 1: they use remote viewers to remote view the surface of Mars.
Speaker 1: Seems that there was what what do they say, like
Speaker 1: there was a war there or there and it was
Speaker 1: like Why what am I supposed to do with this
Speaker 1: New York Times? How fucking dare you.
Speaker 2: So there is a nuclear war or whatever you wipe
Speaker 2: not the civilization on Mars.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that makes me. I want to
Speaker 1: go fuck you New York Times, because in the mondanity
Speaker 1: of everything, they're like, you know, uh, Donald Trump dictator
Speaker 1: or or you know friend or foe, and and and
Speaker 1: then as an aside, they're like, by the way, we
Speaker 1: fucking remote viewed the surface of Mars, seems there was
Speaker 1: a nuclear war anyway, back to fucking know the stock markets,
Speaker 1: and it's like, what, how fucking dare you back.
Speaker 2: To the tariffs, bro, we got to talk about them tariffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it because it's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: the absorber of the New York Times, but you just
Speaker 1: gave normies the weirdest ship in the world. Like that's
Speaker 1: fucking really, that's a really strange article to give to
Speaker 1: normal people. And then to just go anyway and then
Speaker 1: move on from it very straight. What do you think
Speaker 1: that they were they remote viewed the surface of Mars?
Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to know who remote.
Speaker 4: View of the surface of Mars. But there were.
Speaker 2: People within the Stargate program, which we haven't even got
Speaker 2: into all the name changes. We've barely even got into
Speaker 2: exactly what's going on here. But there was a gentlemen
Speaker 2: uh skip out water that was within the program that
Speaker 2: would have some of the remote viewers like remote viewing,
Speaker 2: like random stuff like the Moon Mars pattern, like all
Speaker 2: this stuff. But a lot of the remote viewers within
Speaker 2: the program don't put any credence in those remote viewings
Speaker 2: because they can't be verified, Like you can't verify what
Speaker 2: you've seen on Mars because you can't go to Mars. Okay,
Speaker 2: So they kind of just like throw that stuff out.
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, well, yeah, maybe who knows, but is
Speaker 2: a verifiable No, it's not interesting.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy six, the Missile Intelligence Agency they
Speaker 2: started expressing interest in the US is like replication of
Speaker 2: like what the Soviet was, the Soviet psycho energetic experience experiments, right,
Speaker 2: because this is another way that they use this as
Speaker 2: an excuse to start up their own program. So they're like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if this is real, we know that it's real because
Speaker 2: we've had these subjects at SRI that is being able
Speaker 2: to repeat this several times. We believe that the Soviets
Speaker 2: are also doing this, so we have to start up
Speaker 2: our own program. And during that same time, the Army
Speaker 2: was involved in the investigation of remote viewing concepts with
Speaker 2: SRI as well. So the funding is coming from several
Speaker 2: different locations. Is coming from the CIA, is coming from
Speaker 2: the Army, is coming from the Air Force. Air Force
Speaker 2: picked up where the CIA left off. The CIA stopped
Speaker 2: funding and seventy five then the Air Force came in
Speaker 2: started funding SRI as well, and then the CIA came
Speaker 2: back and started funding the SRI again. It's the funding
Speaker 2: is coming from all over the place. So in nineteen seven,
Speaker 2: US Army Intelligence established a project under the Assistant Deputy
Speaker 2: Chief of Staff for Human Intelligence and then implemented a
Speaker 2: program named Gondola Wish. Gondola Wish this was the first
Speaker 2: name of this program. But if you got on wikipeda, well,
Speaker 2: it's even difficult to find anything online about this stuff
Speaker 2: because now whenever you type in stargate program, you're going
Speaker 2: to get Trump's AI stargate program.
Speaker 1: Right, which could well also be part of like you know,
Speaker 1: kind of muddying the waters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Gondola Wish program was started in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy seven, and by nineteen seventy eight, Army intelligence concluded
Speaker 2: that there was sufficient evidence to warrant an official program.
Speaker 2: So this was like a research program to explore the
Speaker 2: intelligence collection of psycho energetics. The Army then canceled the
Speaker 2: Gondol Wish program. They placed a complete security envelope over
Speaker 2: the entire Army's interest in psycho energetics, and then they
Speaker 2: implemented a new program directed at intelligence collection on foreign
Speaker 2: assets using remote viewing, and that project was called grill
Speaker 2: Flame to use these psycho energetic phenomenon as a data
Speaker 2: collection for intelligence information. Right, So by nineteen seventy eight INSCOM,
Speaker 2: the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command, had the
Speaker 2: personnel that they wanted in this program, and the training
Speaker 2: was initiated and the person to train those Army personnel
Speaker 2: that was Ingo Swan from SRI trained the Army personnel.
Speaker 4: On how to remove you. Now there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot of discrepancy between if SRI ever walked into.
Speaker 4: The doors at Fort Mead or.
Speaker 2: If the Army personnel went to SRI to train. Some
Speaker 2: people say that Russell targ how put off nobody. None
Speaker 2: of the remove your subjects from SRI ever walked through
Speaker 2: the doors at Fort Meat, So that would mean that
Speaker 2: they had to have gone to SRI International and Palo
Speaker 2: Alto to be trained by Ingo Swann.
Speaker 1: This was seventy seven, you said.
Speaker 2: This was seventy eight. Seventy after they had shut down
Speaker 2: the Gondola Wish program, they opened up this other one
Speaker 2: called Girl Flame.
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's intentional or not, but it's
Speaker 1: it's just like shutting one door, opening another one, moving
Speaker 1: from one program to the next, but the through line
Speaker 1: is the same study. But what it does is it
Speaker 1: gives us this almost like fog of war situation where
Speaker 1: it's so confusing, Like if somebody can say, oh, no,
Speaker 1: well they stopped that program, uh you know back in
Speaker 1: seventy seven, and you go like, oh, yeah, technically they
Speaker 1: did stop that program, but if you didn't know that,
Speaker 1: they just started up another one of a very similar nature,
Speaker 1: pursuing the same shit and just called it something different,
Speaker 1: and they did it the fucking the next year. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it never stopped plausible, Yeah, pleasbed exactly.
Speaker 2: And the issue that they ran into was would the
Speaker 2: information obtained from the remote viewing psychics, would it be
Speaker 2: accurate and would it be reasonable? And would the intelligence
Speaker 2: community accept the information? So I'm on September fourth, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine, or Army ACSI tossed Inscom Army Intelligence to
Speaker 2: locate a missing Navy aircraft. This was the first operational
Speaker 2: grill flame remote viewing session and the remote viewer located
Speaker 2: the missingft within fifteen miles of where it was down
Speaker 2: and based off of those results, Inscom was then tasked
Speaker 2: to work on additional targets and this forced the hand
Speaker 2: of ACSI to head into full swing operations and skip
Speaker 2: over a lot of the training phrases of the unit
Speaker 2: from Ingo Swan, so they were essentially just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well you made it to phase two or phase three
Speaker 2: of this program. You're on your own now, when there's
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot more levels to this.
Speaker 2: But this was also there's contention with this one as well,
Speaker 2: because some people say that it was Gary Langford at
Speaker 2: SRI that located the missing down the airplane and then
Speaker 2: Dell Graff which had a remote viewing unit at I
Speaker 2: think it was Fort Dietrich. Fort Dietrich Maryland that by
Speaker 2: a lady named Rosemary Smith that's supposedly found the missing aircraft.
Speaker 2: You have a three ways, Well, she was a remove,
Speaker 2: you're a grolinger, was also a remove viewer, and then
Speaker 2: they also had this remov viewing operation. Believed that it
Speaker 2: was Rosemary Smith that found the airplane, but they had
Speaker 2: to say that it was this grill flame unit that
Speaker 2: found the airplane to continue to get funded to keep
Speaker 2: the program afloat, because if they didn't have any actionable
Speaker 2: data that nobody got anything right, then they're gonna have
Speaker 2: to shut down the entire program because it's it's useless.
Speaker 2: So they took the information from Rosemary Smith with Dell
Speaker 2: Graff small Remove Viewing air Force unit, and then they
Speaker 2: took credit for it. Army Intelligence took credit for finding
Speaker 2: the down missing airplane. Now this correlates with what Jimmy
Speaker 2: Carter was saying in in but she said it earlier
Speaker 2: than that as well. But the really the only one
Speaker 2: that you can find is from nineteen ninety five where
Speaker 2: he's doing like an interview and he's talking about how
Speaker 2: they found a down Russian airplane that that a psychic
Speaker 2: from California found a hold on let me see if
Speaker 2: I can actually find this cliff, because I tried to
Speaker 2: look for it before and I can't find it now.
Speaker 2: But I made a short of it on my YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: But I think that it's important to hear him talk
Speaker 2: about it because it's it's really fascinating. I tried to
Speaker 2: because I was doing another short on it because I
Speaker 2: just had Dell graph back on my channel recently, and
Speaker 2: I was trying to look for it again and I
Speaker 2: could not find it on line anywhere, and so then
Speaker 2: I just had to rip down the other short and
Speaker 2: then overlay the audio onto a new video writer.
Speaker 1: When you talk to these people, have I have to
Speaker 1: imagine you've asked, have they ever explained in any detail
Speaker 1: what the process is like, what it what it looks like,
Speaker 1: what it feels like to U to remote view with thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they all say that there they get the information,
Speaker 2: like the information just comes to them, like it comes
Speaker 2: to them in their mind and then they like write
Speaker 2: it down like I don't think it's like a it's
Speaker 2: it's even like a visual thing. It's like based off
Speaker 2: of feeling interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say that a lot whenever it comes into
Speaker 1: like things that are unexplainable. You might call them like
Speaker 1: supernatural or spiritual. That your impression, It counts for a
Speaker 1: lot in these in these encounters, in these experiences. So
Speaker 1: that's fascinating to hear that. It sounds like that's primarily
Speaker 1: what they're using his impressions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the let's do that, okay. So this
Speaker 2: is Jimmy Carter talking about the psychics being used to
Speaker 2: find the missing down their plane.
Speaker 5: The only strange and inexplicable event that has been discussed
Speaker 5: publicly is that one time we had a small plane
Speaker 5: go down somewhere in Africa. We needed very much to
Speaker 5: find out where that plane had crashed, and we were
Speaker 5: not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites.
Speaker 5: So the director of the CIA, he was also director
Speaker 5: of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in
Speaker 5: California that was a medium, and he contacted her and
Speaker 5: she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane's whereabouts,
Speaker 5: and the next time one of our space satellites went
Speaker 5: over that area relocated the plane where she said.
Speaker 2: It was Wow, and that wasn't. But he got a
Speaker 2: lot of things wrong within that it wasn't in Africa.
Speaker 2: It was Russian. It wasn't a lady from California. It
Speaker 2: was a remove your name, Rosemary Smith.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter just like me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a lot of misdirection with that is
Speaker 2: to not reveal because this was in ninety five, so
Speaker 2: it was like right around the time that the documents
Speaker 2: were actually starting to be well, they hadn't been released yet.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they were released until two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, but ninety five is when the program completely ended,
Speaker 2: so it was still a top secret, classified program that
Speaker 2: very few people knew about. I mean even the people
Speaker 2: on the base at Fort Mead didn't really even know
Speaker 2: exactly what was going on.
Speaker 3: Right, So, did you know that Jimmy Carter was a
Speaker 3: peanut farmer?
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter?
Speaker 3: Back, row back, Jimmy Carter, Shut out Carter.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, baby, You didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Come on, Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 3: Maybe that we did an episode with Elijah Schaeffer and
Speaker 3: in his studio and uh, I guess it was like
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter Day or something. I was just hitting him
Speaker 3: every like three minutes with Jimmy Carter fact and he's like.
Speaker 1: Carterfactimy didn't Jimmy Carter have a UFO story as well?
Speaker 1: He did, Pretty sure it does. Yeah, weird Enkodner, very strange,
Speaker 1: very strange. But outside I mean, you hear that when
Speaker 1: it comes like the FBI or unsolved murder cases, things
Speaker 1: like that. Uh, sometimes in desperation they will, you know,
Speaker 1: refer to a claravoyant, a psychic, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: if it's sensationalized how much the success ratio of that
Speaker 1: actually is. There are I imagine, some psychics that are
Speaker 1: used more than others, you know, if they if they
Speaker 1: display some sort of competency or success ratio, But I
Speaker 1: don't know. It always is a little frustrating to me
Speaker 1: when you see how dismissed this phenomenon is of like
Speaker 1: clairvoyance or remote viewing or any of these things. And
Speaker 1: then you find out that at the highest levels they
Speaker 1: will often end up using these people. And while we
Speaker 1: gravel down here in the trash and we go it's
Speaker 1: not real, that shit's not real. That's a con man,
Speaker 1: this and that, and I'm like, maybe, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a lot of con people. But then there are stories
Speaker 1: like that that you just go, well, what do you
Speaker 1: do with that, dummy, I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with that. Feels pretty reach Now.
Speaker 2: I've gotten in the several arguments with the people that
Speaker 2: have no idea what they're talking about because they haven't
Speaker 2: read all this stuff and they haven't talked with the
Speaker 2: actual you know, people that were involved in these programs,
Speaker 2: and whenever you talk with them, you've done all this
Speaker 2: research and you've read the documents, you have no other
Speaker 2: conclusion to come to then that this is real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like if if yeah, unless they're lying that
Speaker 1: the information that I'm looking at here, if this is real,
Speaker 1: then it seems to be that this phenomenon is real. Writer,
Speaker 1: Have you fucking tried it? Have you tried it? Tell
Speaker 1: me the truth?
Speaker 4: Writer, No, I have not tried it.
Speaker 1: Why haven't you tried it?
Speaker 2: Because it's a like I said, it's like it's a
Speaker 2: very sophisticated thing, and like you can't just give yourself
Speaker 2: your own target, So what would I even really be doing.
Speaker 1: I'll give you it if I don't know what for you,
Speaker 1: but I'll find a target for you, dude. One of
Speaker 1: us has to tell somebody has to try it, all right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Look, if you're I wouldn't recommend
Speaker 1: it to any of the fans because I just don't
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. But if you're gonna do it anyway,
Speaker 1: reach out to me. I'll give you a target. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do that, but we'll figure it
Speaker 1: out and we'll have to do something. Actually, if you
Speaker 1: sign up for the thirty three dollars tier on Patreon,
Speaker 1: you get telepathy, so uh, that comes with it, and
Speaker 1: apparently you know, just do it that way and it'll
Speaker 1: be fine. I find that fascinating though, because I'm the
Speaker 1: same way you're doing it, because you're like, I have
Speaker 1: to do it legitimately and I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can find a legitimate source of it. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: it because I'm like, I don't know the implications of it,
Speaker 1: and I would hate to. As somebody who's been inundated
Speaker 1: for a lot of my life with fucking weird things,
Speaker 1: just weird weird things, entities and fucking sleep paralysis and
Speaker 1: stupid shit, I don't really want to open up that
Speaker 1: door because I don't know where these things that I
Speaker 1: see every once in a while live. They might live there,
Speaker 1: and if I do that, then am I gonna see
Speaker 1: them more because I don't like them. They're pretty exhausting
Speaker 1: and I hope they stay away. So we just need somebody.
Speaker 1: I think Top would probably be a good candidate to
Speaker 1: start practicing remote viewing, and then we can give them
Speaker 1: targets and then Top could go and he can go
Speaker 1: and see things. You know, he can go back to
Speaker 1: the city, or he can go to Utah, maybe see
Speaker 1: what's going on in Utah. Maybe that's what we have
Speaker 1: to do. We're never gonna figure it out. We're never
Speaker 1: going to raise the funds to have an NDS trip
Speaker 1: to Utah to go and bust one of these facilities.
Speaker 1: We just have to we have to learn how to
Speaker 1: remote view. We got to go to Utah. We got
Speaker 1: to see what's going on? Is that are we? Are
Speaker 1: you okay with that? Top?
Speaker 2: Long way to plan, Let's do that. I'm behind that.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's why they have like those cryptos
Speaker 3: around these government facilities. Due're guarding telepathically psychically. I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to run into like a dog man or some like.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Well, that's something with the dolphin head.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that writer that some people will
Speaker 1: go into this like remote viewing or actual projection, and
Speaker 1: there will there seems to be operatives in that realm
Speaker 1: that are like, no, no, no, fucking don't come here.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard those stories?
Speaker 4: I've heard that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much truth there is that, because
Speaker 2: that could be just people making stuff up so that
Speaker 2: they don't have to because they really didn't do anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they don't have the information, so they can't give
Speaker 2: out the information. So then they make the excuse that
Speaker 2: there were these psychic agents there that was blocking them
Speaker 2: from the information.
Speaker 1: Yes, but but it's.
Speaker 2: Not out of the realm of the possibility. I mean,
Speaker 2: if they got freaking rooms and entire buildings that are
Speaker 2: essentially remote viewing proof, like why wouldn't you have some
Speaker 2: kind of other kind of psychic defense from it? But
Speaker 2: I don't know how much, Like are we really not
Speaker 2: worried about remote viewers?
Speaker 1: Like doing we should be, Like it seems like if
Speaker 1: this is fucking real, we should be really, really really afraid.
Speaker 1: You know what it is too, It's like it's the government.
Speaker 1: So if there is uh, well, government jobs usually pretty
Speaker 1: pretty well. But if there is a Department of fucking
Speaker 1: you know, astral security. They probably get paid like thirteen
Speaker 1: dollars an hour, and then I just be like, this
Speaker 1: is not worth it. I gotta work real to try
Speaker 1: to make ends meet and ship that's actually really good around.
Speaker 2: They can't prove that you're doing anything. You could just
Speaker 2: like not even doing anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know where these fucking checks keep coming from.
Speaker 1: All I know is you go in the bedroom and
Speaker 1: you lock yourself in the bedroom for for a twelve
Speaker 1: hour shift, and then all of a sudden check shows up.
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. I don't believe you at all.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a really hard gig to maintain. But
Speaker 1: I think that if, if, if there's this much evidence,
Speaker 1: I don't even call it anecdotal evidence because it's not anecdotal.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about government documents, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how much more official someone needs the evidence to
Speaker 1: be in order to entertain this line of thought. But
Speaker 1: I imagine that foreign governments very much the same way that,
Speaker 1: Like we were in a race with Russia and China
Speaker 1: to get to the moon, and then people speculate that
Speaker 1: that's why we have faked footage. It was like, as
Speaker 1: a contingency if we didn't make it to the moon
Speaker 1: before Russia did, we could at least premiere this faked
Speaker 1: footage and be like, yeah, we did funk you, and
Speaker 1: you know, do what you want with that information. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about that, but I can
Speaker 1: get behind the sentiment at least that there would be
Speaker 1: a big, a big competition between US and other major
Speaker 1: world players. So if China and Russia caught wind that
Speaker 1: we were employing, to whatever degree of success, remote viewers,
Speaker 1: I would be damn sure they would fucking they would
Speaker 1: do all the same shit. So if we have it now,
Speaker 1: like China's got it, Russia's got it, you know, you
Speaker 1: name them, They've got remote viewers, why wouldn't you. I
Speaker 1: just can't say. I can't see looking at this and
Speaker 1: then not doing that.
Speaker 2: Uh. In the United States has always been at odds
Speaker 2: with Russia, like since after World War Two, Like Russia
Speaker 2: has always kind of been that silent enemy of the
Speaker 2: United States. But Russia, actually, I don't want to get
Speaker 2: you far off topic, but Russia actually got more Nazis
Speaker 2: after World War Two than the United States got.
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 3: Interesting. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: And there was a Russian equivalent of Project paper Clip
Speaker 2: that the United States got and Russia got like double
Speaker 2: the amount.
Speaker 1: This seems like it all comes from the Nazis too,
Speaker 1: because I was listening to something and they were talking
Speaker 1: about the psychic connection between twins. I forgot why that
Speaker 1: came up, but they was listening to an episode of
Speaker 1: Tenfoil Hat yesterday and that came up. Might have been
Speaker 1: that or the Confessionals, but either way, this notion of
Speaker 1: of the psychic connection between twins came up, and it
Speaker 1: reminded me of Mangela's obsession with twins, you know, during
Speaker 1: the height of the Nazi regime. And I know that
Speaker 1: a lot of our data that created the MK ulture
Speaker 1: program came out of Nazi Germany, and I just it
Speaker 1: all feels like it's it all comes from them. Like
Speaker 1: whatever whatever Hitler was doing, seemed like he really discovered
Speaker 1: some shit, like some real serious shit in the way
Speaker 1: of like psychic phenomenon and that birth it was like
Speaker 1: planting a seed in our own culture and it blew
Speaker 1: up into something massive that we're now seeing today at
Speaker 1: this huge scale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the Russian version of Project paper Clip,
Speaker 2: the secret Soviet operation which more than twenty five hundred
Speaker 2: German specialties scientists, engineers, and technician who worked in several
Speaker 2: areas from companies and institution rob led to military and
Speaker 2: economic policy in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany and Berlin,
Speaker 2: as well as.
Speaker 4: Around four thousand more.
Speaker 2: Family members totally. In six thousand people were taken from
Speaker 2: former Nazi Germany as war reparations to the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1: Now that's a lot of folks. Damn. I wonder how
Speaker 1: much we got.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't the numbers, well, the official numbers, which we
Speaker 2: don't really know. People claim that we got upwards of
Speaker 2: like twenty thousand, but official numbers is like much lower.
Speaker 2: I think that it was like fifteen hundred. Was the
Speaker 2: Project Paper Club, Yeah it was sixteen hundred. Sorry I
Speaker 2: was off by one hundred, So it was sixteen hundred
Speaker 2: German scientists, engineers and technicians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's ways.
Speaker 2: So we Russia officially, now this is official. Now this
Speaker 2: is just like we don't know all the other stuff.
Speaker 2: But officially Russia got well officially double the amount of yeah, engineer,
Speaker 2: scientists and technicians.
Speaker 1: I would say that they may have gotten volume, but
Speaker 1: we got quality because our Nazi scientists that we stole
Speaker 1: were the best Nazi scientists, because we have a better
Speaker 1: propaganda machine, we have a better space program. We had
Speaker 1: the best Nazis, our mk Ultra program much more effective
Speaker 1: than the Russians. I would say that we are we
Speaker 1: are as a as a people better propagandized than the
Speaker 1: Russian people. So in your fucking face, Russia, it's called
Speaker 1: quantity over quality, or rather the other way around, quality
Speaker 1: over quantity.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to rush through this, this last park.
Speaker 1: As I'm I'm going to try not to derail you.
Speaker 2: I got a show in fifteen minutes on my channel,
Speaker 2: So got run through this bad boy real quick. So
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty the Perry Memorandum came about, which cut
Speaker 2: the funding for psycho energetics activities that didn't include intelligence
Speaker 2: applications efforts. So in nineteen eighty one, a few months later,
Speaker 2: ACSI transferred Project grow Flame to INSCOM, which is the
Speaker 2: United States Army Intelligence and Security Command. They combined their
Speaker 2: efforts and this is another name switch name change. They
Speaker 2: and this wasn't the only time the unit had been
Speaker 2: transferred or combined. So the DA and Army Intelligence signed
Speaker 2: a joint grow Flame to implement a three year long program.
Speaker 2: So thedia's role in the joint operation was threat analysis
Speaker 2: countermeasures using established psychics through contracts with SRI, because they'd
Speaker 2: been working with SRI since seventy three. So Armies the
Speaker 2: Army's inscommon role was to apply the remote viewing program,
Speaker 2: use as signed personnel, and to enhance capability. Now remember
Speaker 2: in the beginning of this whenever I said that everyone
Speaker 2: had their hands in the pot of this. Well, this
Speaker 2: merging of the DA and Army Intelligence into one program
Speaker 2: also created this merging of two other groups. It formalized
Speaker 2: the cooperations among the Secretary of the Army, the Army
Speaker 2: General Council and the Assistant Surgeon General for Medical R
Speaker 2: and D, and the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army,
Speaker 2: n SACIA and the Navy, But they were giving tasking
Speaker 2: to Army Intelligence, right. So until nineteen eighty two the
Speaker 2: budget was cut to the program. They cut the funding
Speaker 2: to Grill Flame because they thought that the project had
Speaker 2: been double funded. It had been double budgeted because they
Speaker 2: were doing this this co operation between DIA and Army Intelligence,
Speaker 2: and they thought that the funding was coming from both
Speaker 2: of them, right, and one was coming from Army Intelligence.
Speaker 2: Another was coming from DIA when they were just both
Speaker 2: working together on it, but they let the DIA complete
Speaker 2: their third year. So at the end of nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: Inscom Army Intelligence terminated their former involvement with grill Flame
Speaker 2: and the DIA, So the Army splits from the DIA
Speaker 2: and the Army opens up another program. See this gets
Speaker 2: so crazy and so convoluted. It's going to be really
Speaker 2: great in documentary style format because you'll be able to
Speaker 2: see the documents and get all the information and understand
Speaker 2: it right. But Army Intelligence opened up another special access
Speaker 2: program called Center Lane. So in nineteen eighty three, doctor
Speaker 2: Richard what is this, doctor Richard Rollinger Rullinger or something
Speaker 2: like that, he signed a memorandum allowing the resources to
Speaker 2: be used to maintain the support of Army Center Lane program.
Speaker 2: So he revised the PERI memorandum to cut the funding
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty with the funding by the Security and
Speaker 2: Investigative Activity. So in nineteen eighty three, the Army Remote
Speaker 2: Viewing Special Access program Center Lane was decided again that
Speaker 2: it should be combined with DiiA. So in nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: four was decided that the Center Lane Special Access program
Speaker 2: ran by the Army should be combined with DIA's grow
Speaker 2: Flame unit again. So by nineteen eighty five the transfer
Speaker 2: from the Army Center Lane project, the Special Access Center
Speaker 2: Lane program was then combined with DIA's Growth Flame program
Speaker 2: and it became known as a DoD Special Access Program,
Speaker 2: and the funding was restored because it was a pure
Speaker 2: intelligence and data collection program. And then we got another
Speaker 2: name change. So that name what's called Sunstreak. That's where
Speaker 2: this document is talking about. That's out there now on
Speaker 2: the CIA's website Operations Sunstreak. And if you read through
Speaker 2: that document, you'll see that everything that I'm seeing up
Speaker 2: until this point is one real and legitimate. So Sunstreak
Speaker 2: was to undertake operational intelligence application using a aspect of
Speaker 2: psycho energetics known as remote viewing. Now it also states
Speaker 2: in this document not only the Soviet threat, like I
Speaker 2: stated earlier, but that we need to collect intelligence data
Speaker 2: on foreign targets. So the program ran under Sunstreak until
Speaker 2: ninety one, and then it was changed to Stargate by
Speaker 2: Dell Graph, which I've had on my show several names.
Speaker 2: Several times. He changed the name out of his own
Speaker 2: words because it felt like that Stargate described what they
Speaker 2: were doing better with like the human potential aspect of
Speaker 2: what they were doing. Ninety five, the program was then
Speaker 2: to be transferred to the CIA from the DoD UH
Speaker 2: and d IA. CIA got their hands on it. They
Speaker 2: said that no intelligence data had ever been collected from
Speaker 2: the program and they shut it down, which obviously isn't
Speaker 2: the case. If you if you read through these documents,
Speaker 2: you would know that that is one not factual. That
Speaker 2: they did get highly good intelligence data out of the
Speaker 2: program and they turned out to be very accurate. But
Speaker 2: they shut it down anyway.
Speaker 1: So it's just that they thought that it was fruitless.
Speaker 1: That's why they allegedly shut it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I I have a different theory on the
Speaker 2: reason why they shut it down. I think that they
Speaker 2: shut it down because again we're out of the realm
Speaker 2: of documents now the documents are over. This is my
Speaker 2: personal opinion and my personal thoughts. I think that they
Speaker 2: the CIA terminated the Stargate pro because they already had
Speaker 2: they either already had a program that they were working with,
Speaker 2: or somebody else had a program, or they were going
Speaker 2: to start up a new program. They're going to do
Speaker 2: something different. They found a different application for the remote viewing.
Speaker 2: It's not just collecting intelligence data anymore. Is something way
Speaker 2: more nefarious, and they they can't take the people that
Speaker 2: was a part of the Stargate program into a new program.
Speaker 3: What do you think about the new Stargate program? Is
Speaker 3: there any overlap or like why even name it the
Speaker 3: same thing? It's I mean, most of these names don't
Speaker 3: really correlate to the projects that they're actually doing. But
Speaker 3: I just found a weird.
Speaker 1: Grill something real flame, real flame, Like, how does that
Speaker 1: even apply? Yeah, it seems like they just pick random
Speaker 1: names sometimes. But I don't know what about this one,
Speaker 1: this new project Stargate.
Speaker 2: I don't know the it's interesting with the name. I
Speaker 2: mean I think that it's some kind of off your scale,
Speaker 2: like they're trying to off skate like for people trying
Speaker 2: to like look into the Stargate remote viewing program. So
Speaker 2: they just named this Stargate, I mean Stargate. It became
Speaker 2: like super popular. You know, you have the Stargate TV show,
Speaker 2: you have Stargate SG one like things like that, and
Speaker 2: it's impossible for Dell Graph was just talking about this
Speaker 2: the last time that I had him on He was like,
Speaker 2: it was impossible for these people to know about this
Speaker 2: program when all these TV shows and all these all
Speaker 2: this stuff was, you know, coming out.
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing. If you want to try
Speaker 1: to find if Walt Disney is cryogenically frozen, all you're
Speaker 1: gonna get is Disney's frozen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like whether or not that's true, I don't know, But
Speaker 1: I look at proct.
Speaker 2: Try and look up looking glass technology too. You're gonna
Speaker 2: get Alice in Wonderland through the lookings.
Speaker 1: It seems like there might be a connection, just because
Speaker 1: through all of this research that is really parallel to yours, writer,
Speaker 1: we found that there is an implant aspect to it.
Speaker 1: Whether it's a dental implant or maybe uh you know,
Speaker 1: metal that settles in the brain through inoculations, but it
Speaker 1: seems to help, uh, the victim in this case tune
Speaker 1: into these frequencies. And if you look into Project Stargate,
Speaker 1: it's this unholy union of m rn A technology and
Speaker 1: UH and AI and who's leading the whole AI charge?
Speaker 1: But elon, who wants to put something in your head?
Speaker 1: It's an implant, right, And so I should watch.
Speaker 2: The you guys should watch the new episode the first
Speaker 2: episode of the new season of Black Mirror.
Speaker 1: Oh, I heard that that came out. That's an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to say.
Speaker 2: Why why have you guys seen Have you guys seen sovereigns?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I heard it was I haven't seen Wild Wild.
Speaker 2: But the first episode of the new season of Black
Speaker 2: Mirror is essentially it has to do with like bees
Speaker 2: and like this woman is a teacher. She's like teaching
Speaker 2: grade schoolers. She's talking about bees and how all the
Speaker 2: bees were replaced with like artificial robot bees, and then
Speaker 2: she would get these headaches and stuff, and then she
Speaker 2: got like a tumor or whatever, and then she went
Speaker 2: into a coma. And this doctor shows up at the
Speaker 2: hospital and is telling her husband that there's this new
Speaker 2: there's this new program out there to where we can
Speaker 2: put a chip inside of her brain and it'll give
Speaker 2: her the ability to like be, but she's going to
Speaker 2: be connected to the servers, right, and the servers are
Speaker 2: only in this specific area, so she goes out of
Speaker 2: bounds of this specific area, then she's going to slip
Speaker 2: back into the coma. So it's essentially like an Internet thing,
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, well, it's only three hundred dollars
Speaker 2: a month. Right, so he signs her up for it.
Speaker 2: She's okay, and she's super tired and super sleepy, right
Speaker 2: the man, I don't want to ruin it all.
Speaker 4: Bit.
Speaker 2: But she essentially starts speaking ads like she just starts
Speaker 2: ship showing out ads. She's like, oh, yeah, get your
Speaker 2: lube from uh the loub Center. There's one hundred times
Speaker 2: better than any other lube, like like all this crazy shit.
Speaker 2: And then they go to the lady and was like,
Speaker 2: what is going on? Like she's just spitting out ads
Speaker 2: like every like twenty thirty minutes and then she's then
Speaker 2: the lady's like, oh, well you're on the base here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what if there's a free version of Neurolink
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, it's free, you can get it
Speaker 1: for free. But that's what's gonna happen to you. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be running ads that Israel. Have you tried manscape
Speaker 1: running ads for the.
Speaker 2: For the patriots my patriots?
Speaker 1: Oh shit? Well look look I know you got to
Speaker 1: fly rider. It's refreshing to have somebody who actually has
Speaker 1: their handle on the information we've spoken to these people
Speaker 1: who has access to the documents, UH confirm a lot
Speaker 1: of you know what we've suspected but refused to do
Speaker 1: any meaningful research on.
Speaker 2: UH.
Speaker 1: So it's nice to have It's nice to have you
Speaker 1: on our show and to share this, but I know
Speaker 1: you got to fly, so let's bring this in for
Speaker 1: a landing writer. Where can everybody find your work, including
Speaker 1: your documentaries?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, gentlemen, really appreciate it. It
Speaker 2: was a wonderful conversation. I always love talking about the
Speaker 2: subject that's very near and dear to my heart. And
Speaker 2: because I've looked into it, I've talked to the people
Speaker 2: like you were mentioned, You've read the documents, so it's uh.
Speaker 2: And I think it's really important to get the details
Speaker 2: of it and the history of the program and how
Speaker 2: it worked and all the name changes and all the
Speaker 2: different things and the.
Speaker 1: World changes were huge because that you run into that often.
Speaker 1: Oh MK, Ultra stopped, you know, whatever year it's supposedly stopped.
Speaker 1: It's like none of it stops. It just changes. They
Speaker 1: get rid of the old crew, they bring in a
Speaker 1: new crew. It's compartmentalized. The change it's a shell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all of it is just obfuscation. That's that's really
Speaker 1: what happening here at the end of the day, and
Speaker 1: so that was a hugely important I think.
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Speaker 2: talking about Trump's tariffs today because freaking everyone's talking about
Speaker 2: Trump's tariffs. So I'm during a little round table and
Speaker 2: Trump's tariffs, Baby, we're gonna talk about it. But thanks
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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, man, all right, thank you again for coming on,
Speaker 3: and good luck with your next show. I hope you
Speaker 3: break some new ground with the Trump taris. All right, guys,
Speaker 3: we'll see you next time. And in the meantime, pray
Speaker 3: for Xerox. He's having a hard time out there. I
Speaker 3: don't know all of the yeah, all of the Xeroxes,
Speaker 3: but yeah, obasim it comply. We'll see you guys later.