Speaker 1: So what is the deal with this territory? How did
Speaker 1: to say the least right, I would like to know
Speaker 1: what the deal is with this territory for sure. How
Speaker 1: did Terry Boulder discoverer Ron Fuller and Company come into ownership? Well,
Speaker 1: in fall of nineteen seventy four, as Ron stud talked
Speaker 1: about in that clip, he left the Florida territory and
Speaker 1: bought in to Knoxville which was on the market. He
Speaker 1: was only twenty six at the time. Knoxville County and no, no,
Speaker 1: that would be Knox County, Oh, Knox County. Sorry, be
Speaker 1: a much different racket for another pro wrestler. But coming
Speaker 1: from the family, he thought he could own a territory
Speaker 1: at just twenty six years old. I mean, think about that,
Speaker 1: he's buying that's insane. He admits he knew nothing about
Speaker 1: owning a business at the time and he was kind
Speaker 1: of struggling up until seventy four. There was a promoter
Speaker 1: by the name of John Cazanna who would run the
Speaker 1: office in Knoxville, and he had an alliance with Nick Gulis,
Speaker 1: who was sort of the predecessor promoter in Memphis to
Speaker 1: Jerry Jarrett and had a tremendous reputation for under paying.
Speaker 1: I say tremendous with tongue from your cheek. Yes, And
Speaker 1: when he decided to sell the territory, Fuller stepped in
Speaker 1: and brought his own talent aboard. At the same time,
Speaker 1: a promoter by the name of Lee Fields was looking
Speaker 1: to sell his Gulf Coast Championship Wrestling in Alabama and
Speaker 1: the Florida Panhandle, and so Fuller purchased that territory as well,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, what we consider Southeastern were
Speaker 1: two separate territories but owned by the same wet behind
Speaker 1: the ears, but bright eyed and entrepreneurial pro wrestler, Ron Fuller.
Speaker 1: And so that's absurd, yes, And there was no overlap
Speaker 1: in terms of like the TV. So you're running two
Speaker 1: separate circuits with different storylines, with different talent, shooting different interviews,
Speaker 1: two brands. I understand that he started that, shitten, I
Speaker 1: understand that. I appreciate that. I exploit that, right. I'm
Speaker 1: a brand exploitationist. So just you wait, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a ton coming down the pike for you to exploit.
Speaker 1: Vince here on the complete hull of cogin femininit well
Speaker 1: exploitation of the loins of individuals. Exploitation of the lowins
Speaker 1: is a shirt. What does the east stand for? After all?
Speaker 1: In w worldwide exploitations? You kids, stop brings worldwide exploitation. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I like to definitely add of the loins, so we
Speaker 1: know exactly what our prime focal point is loinage, right
Speaker 1: and so right before buying the territory, Jerry Jarrett in
Speaker 1: early seventies taken over Memphis, taking the reins from Goole
Speaker 1: lissen Herb Welch, who was obviously I think a grandfather
Speaker 1: to Ron Fuller or a great uncle or something like that.
Speaker 1: And that territory covered Louisville and Evanston and Lexington as well.
Speaker 1: Could he not decide what do you mean whether he
Speaker 1: was a grandfather or an uncle. I just didn't care
Speaker 1: to look it up. Oh okay, yeah, no, I wasn't
Speaker 1: putting those words in his mouth. Certainly he knows all
Speaker 1: the Welches are related. That's all you have to know.
Speaker 1: Great Rawberry, BlackBerry. They were nowhere nearest prominent though, as
Speaker 1: the Nebraska area promoters, the Smuckers and that sound like
Speaker 1: a wrestling promoter, Na Herbs Smucker or Gerald Smucker. Jerald
Speaker 1: Smucker was not paying talent on the up and up.
Speaker 1: Jerald Smucker was skimming off the gate. Okay, nor was
Speaker 1: his product. Product was also not.
Speaker 2: On the up and up.
Speaker 1: So Jerry Jaredson controls. You got two really young promoters
Speaker 1: who were from wrestling families, who were young in the
Speaker 1: business in terms of even wrestling themselves, starting on the
Speaker 1: administrative side, running things, booking talent, and look being plugged
Speaker 1: into pop culture. You'd have to think more than you know,
Speaker 1: the forty and fifty year old promoters were. It makes
Speaker 1: some sense that someone as young as Ryan relatively speaking,
Speaker 1: would be under what would be hip to the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, Incredible Hulk is one of the hottest things
Speaker 1: on television for instance. I'd like to think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I can't imagine the older guys watching
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. In a case it becomes relevant.
Speaker 1: Don't forget. Jerry Jarrett's territory as he took over also
Speaker 1: included Louisville, Kentucky, Evansville, Indiana, and Lexington, Kentucky. And in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, Jerry Jarrett, of course, the father of
Speaker 1: Jeff Jarrett, went into business for himself and took the
Speaker 1: northern loop of what was considered the Memphis territory from
Speaker 1: Nicholas and Roy Welch. And so one day Ron Fuller
Speaker 1: gets a call from Jerry Jarrett. He was similar in
Speaker 1: terms of being a young motor and also kind of
Speaker 1: struggling to get his footing early in a territory that look,
Speaker 1: it was for sale for a reason, right, and he
Speaker 1: was able to buy it because it wasn't doing that well.
Speaker 1: And Jerry Jarrett said to Ron Fuller, come to Memphis.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put the belt on you. You could work Memphis,
Speaker 1: only not a whole territory. This is, of course, before
Speaker 1: Ron bought his own territory, to be clear, But this
Speaker 1: establishes the relationship between Jerry Jarrett and Ron Fuller because
Speaker 1: Jerry got started a little bit earlier in terms of
Speaker 1: ownership than Ron.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: How much Ron asks thousand dollars every Memphis show plus
Speaker 1: plane on airfare, So much for guaranteed money not existing
Speaker 1: to the Monday Night Wars. Yeah, right, guaranteed money has
Speaker 1: always existed in Now The question is how many dates
Speaker 1: did he actually work? I didn't count them all, but
Speaker 1: quite a bit he had a okay, had a several
Speaker 1: year run, Yeah for sure, because you know, one thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a shot sounds great until you're only working one
Speaker 1: shot a year. Well on a thousand dollars a shot sounds
Speaker 1: great until you're Rick Flair and the fucking ICU. So
Speaker 1: you know, Ron Fuller's thinking ahead. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it won't hurt if I have promotional aspirations in my
Speaker 1: own right to create a relationship with this guy who's
Speaker 1: also running a territory and we could share talent, and
Speaker 1: Memphis had great talent as far as Ron Fuller was
Speaker 1: concerned at the time. So generally twenty second nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: nine the onset of the year of Terry Bolea arriving
Speaker 1: in this territory. But you know, a couple of months
Speaker 1: before he showed up, he showed up in March was
Speaker 1: the first night that Rob Fuller, the brother of Ron Fuller,
Speaker 1: Colonel Robert Parker ended up in Memphis as part of
Speaker 1: this exchange that's going on, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys ended up going there from the Southeast territory, and
Speaker 1: suddenly there was this very clear linkage thanks to the
Speaker 1: alliance between Ron Fuller, Rob Fuller and Jerry Jarrett and
Speaker 1: of course Jerry Lawler as well, who was Jerry Jared's
Speaker 1: business partner, sharing a lot of talent between Memphis and
Speaker 1: Southeast Gulf Coast, a lot of groups of guys going
Speaker 1: back and forth to help each other out. Sure, Ron
Speaker 1: Fuller counted as many as seven Southeastern stars on one
Speaker 1: of the first cards of nineteen seventy nine in Memphis,
Speaker 1: and Rob brought in for a second there, I thought
Speaker 1: you said that Rob Fuller counted as was counted as
Speaker 1: seven talent or something. That's seven grand right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Sounds like I'll tell you I could be seven people
Speaker 1: watch put enough looking simon, Oh my god, you know
Speaker 1: that's what I do. That turns out to just be
Speaker 1: him doing you know, the Colonel Parker from Elvis Days,
Speaker 1: not how they sound at all, which is tremendous stuff.
Speaker 1: So February there was a coward. That's the only way
Speaker 1: he sounds. No, of course, well laps fans know this
Speaker 1: laps fans of okay on that, yes, right, that's very true.
Speaker 1: February of seventy nine there was a Memphis card with
Speaker 1: eleven stars from Ron Fuller Southeastern territory. March twenty six
Speaker 1: of that year, there were eight Southeastern stars on the card,
Speaker 1: and by March twenty oh, here we're talking about five
Speaker 1: stars being the limit. No, I know, well, no, we're
Speaker 1: breaking the scale here. This is Ocada Omega. This is
Speaker 1: the Ocada Omega of stars being shared in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: nine between Memphis and Southeastern as that were oh good.
Speaker 1: By March twenty six of that year, just two months
Speaker 1: after those first departures from Southeastern to Memphis began, there
Speaker 1: are a total of ten wrestlers, including Ron Fuller's brother,
Speaker 1: Robert the Booker, as well as wrestler there permanently in Memphis,
Speaker 1: or at least, you know, without a definitive end date.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's kind of tough because the way
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller puts it on his podcast is not really
Speaker 1: like he had a whole hell of a lot of
Speaker 1: choice in how many or who he lost. It seemed
Speaker 1: to be like shortly after kind of working this out,
Speaker 1: he kind of lost control of Memphis, ability to call
Speaker 1: on people. And he considers that these wrestlers that went
Speaker 1: to Memphis is kind of losses for him, losing eight
Speaker 1: of what he considered his top guys in two months
Speaker 1: because you know, Memphis was hurting and part of the
Speaker 1: reason they you know, his brother is up there booking.
Speaker 1: He wants to help his brother, so he sends him
Speaker 1: Mongolian Stomper, he sends him Toro Tanaka. Yes, that Toro Tanaka.
Speaker 1: He said, wow, Don Carson, Tony Charles, Jimmy Golden, the Future,
Speaker 1: Bunk house Buck, the Assassin, Randy Colly, buzz Sawyer of course,
Speaker 1: an absolute legend in the making. Who you know, petered
Speaker 1: out as a star of the drug problems, uh account
Speaker 1: by the name of Gorgeous George Junior. No relation to
Speaker 1: the original Gorgeous George, of course, I'm sorry. What no
Speaker 1: relation to the w CW Gorgeous George either, I'm I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Somebody actually had the balls to book a gorgeous George Junior.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: He was a pretty overheel in that part of the country.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, yep, I'm not saying it was here.
Speaker 1: This was the great Shikes, but oh yeah, the mainstay
Speaker 1: heel look kind of looked like him, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of had the blonde locks and everything. Mike Stallings, Rip
Speaker 1: Smith and his and his brother Rob did he look
Speaker 1: like the one in uh In Uh Maestro Uh. Now
Speaker 1: the the fucking off of that awful movie, the one
Speaker 1: we just saw the woman wrestler, Queen of the Ring.
Speaker 1: They play back gorgeous George. Probably it's probably closer, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably right. I mean not only towards Naka Boss. Mister
Speaker 1: Fuji was in Southeastern Coast when Hogan was. So he's
Speaker 1: running in Owens, He's running into everyone that would form
Speaker 1: kind of the heart of the mid to late seventies
Speaker 1: w WWF territory, kind of like the last years of
Speaker 1: Vince Senior's rule, and so crowds are dropping dramatically to
Speaker 1: hear Ron Fuller tell it, in his territory after sending
Speaker 1: all of that star power up to Memphis to help out.
Speaker 1: And in Memphis, according to Ron, of course, was was
Speaker 1: doing quite well and so a drastic jump with a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys coming up there. You also have
Speaker 1: Jerry Lawler and Buildundi in the territory, and he remembers
Speaker 1: talking to his brother Rob a heck of a lot
Speaker 1: during this whole time frame. You know, one of the
Speaker 1: houses house business. It's so refreshing to hear the guy
Speaker 1: talk about like attendance and keeping particular notes on gate.
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes we as wrestling fans think like, why
Speaker 1: do we talk about numbers. Why don't we talk about ratings,
Speaker 1: Why do we talk about money? Why do we care
Speaker 1: about gates? And it's like, because the people who run
Speaker 1: the business cared about nothing else besides what they could
Speaker 1: pencil in their little books. Because because I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what that what that means to me, that that dictates
Speaker 1: something because what it always numbers are so fucking important
Speaker 1: because what they do is they tell you what was
Speaker 1: actually working right and what wasn't working at the time
Speaker 1: in the business where you had no choice right to
Speaker 1: lean into what was working. You couldn't pretend that something
Speaker 1: was working that wasn't because the money was guaranteed, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, and even then, I mean it's like, you know, right,
Speaker 1: but the still even even without the you know, the
Speaker 1: the financial part of it, but looking at the numbers,
Speaker 1: like looking at who's watching it, it's like you also know, yes, okay, obviously,
Speaker 1: like now you get guaranteed money through all these different
Speaker 1: these different uh pay yours for WWE. But it's like
Speaker 1: who's watching it and you watch you hear about the
Speaker 1: dwindling audiences on Netflix and whatever, and it's like that
Speaker 1: that that matters, and it matters here too, like it
Speaker 1: the money matters, but also who's coming to see your shows?
Speaker 1: How many people are seeing your shows? Is the audience full?
Speaker 1: Is it half full? Is nobody there? These are all
Speaker 1: incredibly important things, so we can know exactly what was
Speaker 1: working when and at what time and where. I find
Speaker 1: it fascinating. Anyone who does it's a fucking idiot. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost like even if you try to
Speaker 1: enjoy wrestling without any of that context, you're going to
Speaker 1: be so frustrated because you're not going to understand why
Speaker 1: things happen the way they happen. You can enjoy wrestling
Speaker 1: without without with you know, it's all the people in
Speaker 1: these tickets like it. You can enjoy it without knowing
Speaker 1: the numbers. You can enjoy with knowing the numbers. But
Speaker 1: as as a as as someone who wants to understand
Speaker 1: it on a deeper level than just watching the correct
Speaker 1: the matches and the stories and whatever, you have to
Speaker 1: this is this is this is the business. I've always said, like,
Speaker 1: this is it. They have they becount their lucky start
Speaker 1: that you complain about the Internet fans and at rest
Speaker 1: of they think they're fucking God above that. Wrestling fans
Speaker 1: get this interested in how it really works behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: because if they did exactly, they would be done by
Speaker 1: the time they're twelve years old, because they're not fucking
Speaker 1: you know, they're not impressionable children with even underdeveloped prefrontal cortex.
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see, you know, our
Speaker 1: generation's kids, you know, because like, what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: are you know, our generation and and the those born
Speaker 1: you know, probably in two thousand, yes, you know, after
Speaker 1: these after these generations die off, after we die off,
Speaker 1: what's going to be the fate of the business, Given
Speaker 1: that our kids are the ones who watched it for
Speaker 1: five seconds and then quit and got enough of it,
Speaker 1: and we're like, I'm done, I don't want to watch
Speaker 1: it ever again. Who knows how many how many kids
Speaker 1: are getting hooked these days? Well, here's the thing. You
Speaker 1: can't get hooked these days without also, I don't think
Speaker 1: becoming aware of all of the business industry information. Right,
Speaker 1: it was the last generation that could enjoy a distance
Speaker 1: from that. We had to seek it out. It didn't
Speaker 1: smack us in the face because we followed ww on
Speaker 1: Twitter and then it's over. Exactly. That's what. You're absolutely
Speaker 1: bombarded with content farming around like this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I guess my whole point is this is not
Speaker 1: some new school like nerd modern fan obsession. What we do.
Speaker 1: This is actually the most time hotter tradition in the
Speaker 1: business of boiling it all down to the house.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The difference, of course at the time is for Ron Fuller,
Speaker 1: he's playing the same buildings every week, pretty much the
Speaker 1: same day every week, and he's working to the same audience.
Speaker 1: He's broadcasting his television in the same way. And you
Speaker 1: can tell when you have that kind of format who
Speaker 1: is drawing and who is it. There's no fucking argument,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, and you're talking seven eight thousand
Speaker 1: seat buildings, four thousand seat buildings. Someone who you know
Speaker 1: does two thousand more people than the last week is
Speaker 1: a fucking superhero to you a fuck exactly. He You
Speaker 1: don't have to fill stadiums, okay, but when Terry Boulder
Speaker 1: comes along all of a sudden for the first time
Speaker 1: in the history of this promotion, you better believe their
Speaker 1: book in a football stadium for the Harley Race match,
Speaker 1: which we're gonna get to. Wow, but was it a
Speaker 1: high school football stadium?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: It was all right, there we go. Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 1: exactly have a pro college football stadium in Dothan. So
Speaker 1: Dothan sounds like a character in fucking ten Commandments. I
Speaker 1: gotta go now by the time I'm done with this,
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Dothan. So tell me what the
Speaker 1: best restaurant is. I'm coming. I want the best ribs.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonnay. It's probably one of those gas
Speaker 1: station restaurant. Yeah, low and slow exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: the guy's name is like Smiley or something that just
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a name, He just has a nickname,
Speaker 1: right right, smiles barbecue. Right. So Ron Floorer says, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt young and dumb and I thought I was
Speaker 1: bulletproof until the business rolled over on me. And so
Speaker 1: you have Southeastern Knoxville and Southeastern Gulf Coast running at
Speaker 1: the same time. Rolling Brother get that. Well, he needs
Speaker 1: a booker for Knoxville because he's spending most of his
Speaker 1: time in and round Dothan, where that first acquisition of
Speaker 1: his was based. And so he needs a booker for Knoxville,
Speaker 1: so he taps who Bob Roup. Bob Roup, of course,
Speaker 1: of course I'm gonna know very well kind of the
Speaker 1: enforcer policeman in the championshiprest from Florida Territory when Eddie
Speaker 1: Graham was running the show and someone that hul Kegan
Speaker 1: became acquainted with not only playing a raw rold band
Speaker 1: at the Imperial Room, but once he's got into the
Speaker 1: Sportatorium and started learning the ropes after they hear Matsud initiation,
Speaker 1: he did work out a bit with Bob Roup and
Speaker 1: got to know Bob well, and Bob got to know
Speaker 1: him about well, but got to know him, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Bob Rup has got the book in
Speaker 1: the territory that Terry Boullay is heading for. This is
Speaker 1: in seventy eight, the year before Bolly arrived in this
Speaker 1: part of the country. Bob Rroup got the book in
Speaker 1: Knoxville to help out Ron Fuller. And this will be
Speaker 1: extremely important later because Bob Roup is going to be
Speaker 1: the guy that I I don't think it's uncharitable about
Speaker 1: it this way, that's going to try to fuck Ron
Speaker 1: Fuller in the ass and take it all from him
Speaker 1: take it off. Yes, Bob Roup wants ownership, baby, but
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller didn't know. Why shouldn't is before why shouldn't
Speaker 1: he exactly because this is the wrestling business. But Ron
Speaker 1: Fuller did not know and found out later, is that
Speaker 1: Bob Group came to him after being essentially banished from
Speaker 1: San Francisco where he tried to take over the existing
Speaker 1: territory and we'll pull the rug out from under the
Speaker 1: existing promoter's feet as well a power play to try
Speaker 1: to take over the city and have it all to himself.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of money there if you can
Speaker 1: pull it off, you know. So that's Ron's next. But
Speaker 1: he knew Ron Fuller from Florida. Did Bob Roup when
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller was working there in the early seventies, Freddy Graham.
Speaker 1: They knew each other well and worked together and he
Speaker 1: fell to good trust him and he felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was a guy that knew the business well enough
Speaker 1: to book the territory down the Gulf Coast. He picked,
Speaker 1: of course Louis Tillett, who we've already talked about to
Speaker 1: book that part of the territory. You know that in
Speaker 1: did you know that in November in Dothan. They have
Speaker 1: an annual National Peanut Festivals. So what you're saying is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in November. Fucking right. And also, oh
Speaker 1: they are also home here we go. You know we're
Speaker 1: talking about it. How about this. Dothan is also home
Speaker 1: to two professional barbecue competition I knew it. So what
Speaker 1: are the state tri State Barbecue Festivals held in the
Speaker 1: second weekend in April and is sanctioned by the Florida
Speaker 1: Barbeq Association. There is a Florida Barbecue, the fbbb A,
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma BBA sponsors j R. And then there is
Speaker 1: the where's the other one? The oh, oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh god almighty. In October they have porktober Q, october
Speaker 1: Fest and october Fest and Kansas City Barbecue Society sanctioned event.
Speaker 1: There is a Kansas City Barbecue Society. No funk that
Speaker 1: I'm going to the Dothan barbecue event in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to the Kansas City want to go?
Speaker 1: I wonder Harley Race was involved? Yeah, right, exactly. Wow.
Speaker 1: Bob Armstrong, of course was a centerpiece star in that
Speaker 1: part of the country. But by the time Ron Fuller
Speaker 1: took the book. As he said in his podcast, Bob Armstrong,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a big fan of him. Well, Bob Armstrong
Speaker 1: wasn't a big fan of the selection of Bob Roup
Speaker 1: in particular to book the Knoxville part of the territory,
Speaker 1: and wasn't not the only one, according to Ron Fuller,
Speaker 1: so Ron's kind of laying the groundwork for Bob Roup
Speaker 1: to be the ultimate snake in this whole scenario. They
Speaker 1: were dealing with some small houses in Knoxville, according to Ron,
Speaker 1: and he started to feel after a while that Bob
Speaker 1: Roup was intentionally booking weak cards. Almost the kind of
Speaker 1: thing you do to be able to build a case
Speaker 1: to the boys that you know how to fucking ditch
Speaker 1: this guy. I don't know, just I don't know this
Speaker 1: guy's not doing you know, wait, wh they're trying to
Speaker 1: kick who out Bob Rupert Ron Fuller, because I don't
Speaker 1: know this guy, this Fuller guy, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: he's full of shit, he ask me. I finished that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and here's too, ye. I'm gonna kick this guy on
Speaker 1: the curb and then stomp his brains out because looks
Speaker 1: filling shit. It was extremely simple, say what you will
Speaker 1: about guaranteed payoffs. Percentage of the house went to the talent.
Speaker 1: That's how it worked. So if you did ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars at the gate, twenty percent of that was split
Speaker 1: amongst the boys, and everyone had their little games they
Speaker 1: played to get a bigger cut. Of course, the main
Speaker 1: event got the most. If the house was thirty thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: everyone made three times the ten thousand. It was really,
Speaker 1: like so easy to manipulate the situation because if you
Speaker 1: booked cards to not do well, then the pie that
Speaker 1: the talent got for payoffs was shrunk, and they're and
Speaker 1: they're taking home less money, and pretty soon they're grumbling,
Speaker 1: and pretty soon someone's got the bright idea of what
Speaker 1: we could run this whole thing better than this absentee landlord. Motherfucker. Right,
Speaker 1: And that's how you that's how you stage a coup
Speaker 1: in the wrestling business, of course, and wrestler payoffs were
Speaker 1: going down, according to Ron, And and there came a
Speaker 1: point Bob Rupe stood up and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: someone's stealing box office receipts. I know somebody that's your
Speaker 1: sort of a I don't know you're Emissary Ron Fuller
Speaker 1: that's down here. You know, the fucking Arnold Scoland or
Speaker 1: whatever whoever you got handling the gate receipts. They should
Speaker 1: be a lot higher than what we're being told they were.
Speaker 1: And let the games begin, Let the games be so again.
Speaker 1: I love I love that. It's so absolutely love that
Speaker 1: best part of wrestling to me is the games these
Speaker 1: guys play when they try to put on a suit
Speaker 1: and tie and be real human beings as opposed well, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's this, it's this, it's this constant
Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated with, Like I always want to know
Speaker 1: where that where's the threshold? Right where what is the
Speaker 1: point where Bob Rup who comes in and is doing
Speaker 1: his job, he decides, you know what, I can do
Speaker 1: this better than he can. And I'm gonna fucking do
Speaker 1: it better than he can. So I'm gonna stab this
Speaker 1: motherfucker in the back and the territory. So no matter
Speaker 1: what happens, you're going to build the case that you
Speaker 1: can do it better and that this guy's looking up.
Speaker 1: You have no chance if you run full or to
Speaker 1: satisfy this guy, I know, And that's why I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's amazing it's an amazing thing. And I
Speaker 1: want to know where that ultimate decision is made. Right,
Speaker 1: where's that decision made? When did Rupe say, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is going to be mine and I'm going to
Speaker 1: take it. They know, they know pretext well in the
Speaker 1: wrestling business. Yeah, so yeah, indeed, so punk Rock. Wayne
Speaker 1: Ferris comes in for Louis to Lette. He brings in
Speaker 1: David Schultz was that was already there and some reflections here.
Speaker 1: Uh this is from doctor D's book, Don't call Me Fake, which,
Speaker 1: of course, uh well why not, right, I mean, so
Speaker 1: John Stossel, could you're not you're not You're not a doctor.
Speaker 1: I know exactly, don't call me a fake doctor. But
Speaker 1: he remembered, you know, he remembered Sterling Golden. He wrote
Speaker 1: in his book Sterling Golden was a six five musician,
Speaker 1: a giant of a man with a long blonde hair
Speaker 1: and a handlebar mustache who had a great physique and
Speaker 1: a lot of potential. Sterling was spot by some of
Speaker 1: the boys playing bass in a bar band, and they
Speaker 1: invited him to give wrestling a try. On his first
Speaker 1: day of training, Hero Matsuda snapped his leg, broke it
Speaker 1: and told him if he still wanted to be a wrestler,
Speaker 1: to go home, heal it up and come back. God,
Speaker 1: we got to really fill space in your book with
Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan story, Like how many people have done this?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: You got to know that half of his book are
Speaker 1: stories of him being a bounty hunter and how he
Speaker 1: almost got a television series out of it. And he's
Speaker 1: telling like a bunch of stories way after his wrestling
Speaker 1: career is over about chasing down criminals. And it's colorful stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's a classic, like people are going to care
Speaker 1: about more than what I did in pro wrestling bullshit.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So on his first day of training Gay he goes
Speaker 1: over it all. That's kind of a different that's kind
Speaker 1: of a different take on it. This idea that he
Speaker 1: told he told him to come back and start over,
Speaker 1: and you know that Matsuita just told him go home
Speaker 1: and heal up. That was a that's a little part
Speaker 1: of it that you never hear from anybody else, right,
Speaker 1: that Mairo told him that, uh, we'll look forward to
Speaker 1: seeing you again. I thought the whole point of breaking
Speaker 1: the poor guy's leg was they wanted him out of there. Uh,
Speaker 1: but a little pat on the back, according to Dave Schultz,
Speaker 1: as we continue that fucking rasham on that story. Oh
Speaker 1: it really, I mean it's seriously, that is it is
Speaker 1: a ramon. I mean honestly, it's like, honestly for this,
Speaker 1: I know, seriously, just for all this bullshit, multiple perspectives,
Speaker 1: multiple truths. That's right. Sterling was determined to succeed Schultz. Right,
Speaker 1: and he came back and started a push brother. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not too far from Matt Suita, right.
Speaker 1: Sterling and I connected the day we met Schultz right,
Speaker 1: and we became the best of friends. We had a
Speaker 1: lot in common, and his iron sharpens iron. We brought
Speaker 1: out the best in each other. He taught me a
Speaker 1: great deal about working out. We sure did, and the
Speaker 1: two of us pushed each other to become better. He
Speaker 1: stayed in our home when he needed a place to crash.
Speaker 1: He became a close friend of the family. He was
Speaker 1: over at the house all the time. My daughter Jessica
Speaker 1: adored him and loved to hear him play the guitar.
Speaker 1: I want you to picture Terry Blea looking like he
Speaker 1: did in seventy nine playing guitar for David Schultz's little daughter.
Speaker 1: In Alabama. I can't I fucking cannot have and all that.
Speaker 1: The picture in his book two of him with David
Speaker 1: Schult's daughter, it's just to imagine Hulk being this kind
Speaker 1: of couch surfing yep, you know, like nobody you know,
Speaker 1: to David Schultz is tremendous. I want to savor the
Speaker 1: I want to savor every little morsel we get of
Speaker 1: Terry Boleya before he's whole coast. I mean, I honestly,
Speaker 1: this is like, these are the last little morsels of
Speaker 1: him being a human being, absolutely right. This is the
Speaker 1: last morsels of him having to win people over, instead
Speaker 1: of everyone trying to win him over.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 1: We said, what, no one's winning those going over, brother,
Speaker 1: I'm going over. That's true. No one whatever win over him,
Speaker 1: not at all. We said goodbye. Schultz writes to Sterling Golden,
Speaker 1: when my time was up in Florida. Uh, he means
Speaker 1: by Florida, the Pensacola part of Gulf Coast. I packed
Speaker 1: the family up to head north of the border to Canada. Sterling, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to work for for Stu Hart. After this,
Speaker 1: did David Schultz. And Brett Hart loves David Schultz because
Speaker 1: of that love was the guy and in fact, when
Speaker 1: so weird, the vice guys, the dark side guys, details
Speaker 1: from the territories. There was a lot of back and
Speaker 1: forth about like who makes sense for Stampede it's still
Speaker 1: alive and because it was such, it was a territory
Speaker 1: with so many guys that had passed on and Dave
Speaker 1: Schultz Brett Hart's gonna love having Dave Schultz there, and
Speaker 1: that's crazy. He was the last guy you'd expect because
Speaker 1: he has nothing Canadian about him, but he had great
Speaker 1: stories from from being out there Tennessee boy right in
Speaker 1: the in the the western Canadian winters. Bizarre. He said
Speaker 1: goodbye is Sterling Golden. When my family my time was
Speaker 1: up in Florida, I packed the family up to head
Speaker 1: north of the border to Canada. Stirling would be moving
Speaker 1: on himself to better opportunities. Our paths would converge again
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and the two of us would battle our
Speaker 1: way to the very top of the business. But that's
Speaker 1: still to come, isn't it? On the complete hol of Cogan,
Speaker 1: Oh yes it is. And wait to get to many
Speaker 1: so Billy Spears, Billy Spears, who the answer to the
Speaker 1: trivia question, who was Terry Blays first ever manager in
Speaker 1: pro wrestling. Wow. Billy Spears is the heel manager with
Speaker 1: the family stable that every territory had, be it a
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hart's family, Bobby Heenan's family, Loue Albano's family, Every
Speaker 1: territory had a version of this for the most part.
Speaker 1: Kevin Sullivan had his tribe of He was a wrestler too,
Speaker 1: who not quite an exclusively manager, but had his tribe
Speaker 1: of weirdos following him around and to the Southeastern Gulf
Speaker 1: Coast territory and nowhere else. Far as I can tell,
Speaker 1: Billy Spears was that shit talking, power grabbing, muney grubbing
Speaker 1: heel manager. He was the guy you put with your
Speaker 1: next big superheel threat to talk for him. And there's
Speaker 1: almost nothing that survives on this guy as far as videotape,
Speaker 1: because he really didn't, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 1: spread his wings at all past This territory, which is
Speaker 1: we've discussed already, was very limited in its exposure and
Speaker 1: definitely limited in terms of how much tape survives, So
Speaker 1: I can't give you a great kind of flavor or
Speaker 1: sense or feeling on like how Billy Spears was as
Speaker 1: a performer or or what it is he how he
Speaker 1: came across, like what his essence was. I can't tell
Speaker 1: if he was more Heenan than he was I don't know, heart,
Speaker 1: or if he was more jeez, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go down the list you talk about like RedBerry
Speaker 1: and some of these other managers. Just I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at pictures of him right now, and it's like in
Speaker 1: in one picture he looks like Nick Bockwinkle. In another
Speaker 1: picture he looks like fucking looks a little bit of
Speaker 1: like Pat Patterson. Huh. And another one I can't he
Speaker 1: looks like he's got the face from from No Mercy,
Speaker 1: like a face that was like copied and pasted for
Speaker 1: No Mercy. Like he's got like it's very interesting, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, yeah, this guy's fascinating just to
Speaker 1: look out and heard of him, but he's fascinating to
Speaker 1: look at it. If you've ever heard of him and
Speaker 1: you didn't grow up watching wrestling in this part of
Speaker 1: the country, it's probably because when the footage did surface
Speaker 1: of Hulk Hogan having the arm wrestling contest with Andre
Speaker 1: the Giant in Gulf coast and attacking him with the
Speaker 1: table afterwards and really shooting the first angle ever between
Speaker 1: these two. There's a guy with a top hat down
Speaker 1: on the floor at ringside barking orders to Terry the
Speaker 1: up Boulder. That's wow, Billy Spears. And you hear a
Speaker 1: TV commentator Tarvelie Platt make reference to Billy Spears and
Speaker 1: just listening to studcasts, this guy was all over the place.
Speaker 1: I mean, Billy Spears was like the heart of the
Speaker 1: television like he'd come over to the announced position, the
Speaker 1: Gordon Solely position and just run his mouth love it.
Speaker 1: He was like a Jim Cornette. He was a MoMA's boy.
Speaker 1: He always used to talk about his mama and how
Speaker 1: his mama was unhappy and how he you know, he
Speaker 1: longed for his mama. So they played that up big
Speaker 1: time too. So he had a lot of Cornette in him.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, wouldn't surprise me if Cornett even took
Speaker 1: a little bit from some of the things that he
Speaker 1: would say and riff about. So Billy Spears is is
Speaker 1: the guy that would manage Terry the Hulk Boulder and
Speaker 1: bring him into the foreground. Now it's interesting, and we'll
Speaker 1: get to this as we go to hear Ron Fuller talent,
Speaker 1: even though to me there's a noticeable dearth of actual
Speaker 1: published information that shows Terry Bolea being called Sterling Golden
Speaker 1: in Gulf Coast as opposed to Yeah before he goes
Speaker 1: to Georgia later that year. According to Ron Fuller, the
Speaker 1: big thing was that Billy Spears on television always wanted
Speaker 1: to call Terry Sterling Golden, and he got sick of
Speaker 1: that name, but Billy Spears refused to stop calling him that,
Speaker 1: and he'd say, no, I'm Terry the Hulk Boulder, I'm
Speaker 1: Terry the Hupe Boulder, and that actually led, according to
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller's recollection, that actually led to Terry's face turn
Speaker 1: because he got so fed up with his heel manager
Speaker 1: Billy Spears not using the proper name for him, that
Speaker 1: he freaked out on him and basically turned on him.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be a really curious thing to me,
Speaker 1: because whenever other people talk about it, including Hulk himself,
Speaker 1: he never seems to talk about being Sterling Golden, and
Speaker 1: certainly the hype limited footage that exists from Terry in
Speaker 1: this part of the country, he's not called Stirling Golden
Speaker 1: at all. He's always called Terry the Holpe Boulder. Did
Speaker 1: you find the match between Dick Slater and Billy Spears
Speaker 1: the match? No, I didn't know. I just found working
Speaker 1: at them on YouTube. Yep, okay, good to check that one.
Speaker 1: Check that one out. I was looking for promos. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get an idea of his voice. Oh sure, sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. That was very limited. This is what I
Speaker 1: could find And this isn't this seems to be If
Speaker 1: I was reading the context right, it seems like Billy
Speaker 1: Spears had actually turned face here, so he's not doing
Speaker 1: the whole cowardly heel stick. But this is at least
Speaker 1: what he sounded like.
Speaker 5: Welcome to personality, bay Wow, I said, But the Vistern
Speaker 5: Television Wrestling my guest today Billy Spears and the members
Speaker 5: of his family of the Salviason Tag being champions, the
Speaker 5: Alabama State Heavyweights champions, and once we're going to be
Speaker 5: This thing is in partially an interative. It took place,
Speaker 5: It's started here on television last weeks. Mister Spears, Tommy
Speaker 5: Gilbert was injured at the hands of the rat Are
Speaker 5: so trying to protect you through Frank rib Yeah, we're
Speaker 5: trying to protect made you see, y'all saw what happened
Speaker 5: last week there on TV.
Speaker 3: You know why Tommy Gilwer did what he did. My
Speaker 3: mother is really grateful for Tommy to do what he did. Man,
Speaker 3: he went out there and saved me.
Speaker 5: If I'm possible, it's mendous injury and then return.
Speaker 3: And he was the one that got injured.
Speaker 1: See, he's grateful. And then they watched the footage and
Speaker 1: he's not really calling anybody names or anything. So he
Speaker 1: was kind of died enough in the wold that he
Speaker 1: eventually apparently turned babyface. But that's kind of what he
Speaker 1: sounded like. And that was the voice track to the
Speaker 1: whole Billy Spears part of the show. And what they
Speaker 1: would do, and this is just so great. You know,
Speaker 1: you'd have the studio show that would broadcast out live
Speaker 1: on a Saturday, I think it was in the afternoon
Speaker 1: or late afternoon, and they'd push tonight's show wherever it
Speaker 1: was right and the different markets might get a different
Speaker 1: style television show based on what town they were in
Speaker 1: that night, and you would go to the matches as
Speaker 1: soon as the TV was over, and so they're pushing
Speaker 1: and what they would do is they'd film the matches
Speaker 1: with like one hardcam and then the next week every
Speaker 1: territory did this for the most part. Then the next
Speaker 1: week you go over and visit with Charlie Platt at
Speaker 1: the desk and they sit there and they watch the
Speaker 1: footage of what happened last week at the arena. So
Speaker 1: you felt like you missed out on something, but you
Speaker 1: only got clips of it. You never saw the whole
Speaker 1: thing almost never. And next time, if you want to
Speaker 1: feel that in person excitement as opposed to the studio excitement,
Speaker 1: you better buy a ticket. That was kind of I
Speaker 1: think the feeling that would wash over viewers of wrestling
Speaker 1: such as it was constituted at the time, particularly this territory.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they would sit at the desk and review
Speaker 1: the footage, and so you can imagine how agonizing it
Speaker 1: is boss to hear Ron Fuller describe the amount of
Speaker 1: times and Terry Boulder and Billy Spears went to the
Speaker 1: desk to rewatch what happened last time we were in
Speaker 1: the arena with Hulk in the ring, wrestling guys like
Speaker 1: Ox Baker, Austin Eidel, Harley Race, Andre the Giant, and
Speaker 1: we don't get to see it. Where's the footage? Where's
Speaker 1: the footage? Ron, the homie Matt put it. Well, oh
Speaker 1: that's all really nice.
Speaker 3: Ron.
Speaker 1: Where's the footage?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Why can't I see it? You don't deserve where's the footage?
Speaker 1: You don't deserve it, except that there's no fan in
Speaker 1: the audience that brought a camera like like happened in Charlotte,
Speaker 1: that miraculous discovery of all that seventy stuff. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that the Middletlantic documentary makers found. Come on, folks, this
Speaker 1: is hulk Hogan. No, where's the footage? Nope? None, there
Speaker 1: was why boss?
Speaker 3: It was on TV.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. No, it wasn't it was live. It was live.
Speaker 1: No one taped anything. That's the problem. That's true. No
Speaker 1: one did. I mean, yeah, I don't know. If I'm
Speaker 1: going to take a guess of which state got VCR's last,
Speaker 1: as far as like most households, it's probably Alabama, Mississippi, Okay,
Speaker 1: that that part of the country. Yeah, I would imagine
Speaker 1: they were the last to be clued in on VCRs.
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of the Georgia survives not only
Speaker 1: because a TBS product, and TBS was actually you know,
Speaker 1: a substantial satellite based cable innovating operation. But also because
Speaker 1: everyone got TBS, it beamed out to anyone who had cable,
Speaker 1: And yes, they're gonna be crs. But when you're talking
Speaker 1: three cities in Alabama saw this television show. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would be one thing if there was none. But
Speaker 1: we have the Hogan Andre fight, we have a Hogan
Speaker 1: squash match. Where's the footage? Where did that come from?
Speaker 1: And why isn't there more from wherever that came from?
Speaker 1: Why would that be the only thing that survived? It's
Speaker 1: it's it's all phony. I mean, do we have to
Speaker 1: go and knock on the door of whatever TV studio
Speaker 1: they used to shoot this in in Dothan or Web, Alabama?
Speaker 1: Do we have to go visit them and say, show
Speaker 1: me your archives and show me where to put a
Speaker 1: number on a blank check?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 1: What do you wrestling? Another Jim Crock moment. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever did the wrestling in here.
Speaker 1: I think you might have a wrong station that's up
Speaker 1: in New York, isn't it. It's like when we went
Speaker 1: into brookefield House or Allow. This used to be a
Speaker 1: really historic wrestling building and the women running a fucking
Speaker 1: stamp collection show, damn. Whatever it was. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is okay, okay, you know that we're
Speaker 1: we're selling something else. It was like some weird sticker thing.
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of women, a lot of old
Speaker 1: women with turtlenecks enter their sweaters. Okay, oh yes shirts,
Speaker 1: I should say, yes very much. And they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you think I give a fuck that they used
Speaker 1: to have pro wrestling here in the seventies. Well maybe
Speaker 1: they did, but they don't anymore. A reality check that was, man,
Speaker 1: thank god for that. We're going to pay admission and
Speaker 1: walk around. We're not going to buy know my god, No,
Speaker 1: We're going to pay a mission and just walk around
Speaker 1: the exactly see if we can find ship that like
Speaker 1: you know that that that that maybe the entryway where
Speaker 1: the wrestlers came. It was a swinging to miss like
Speaker 1: calhoon right there. Yes, we had to pay for it,
Speaker 1: so that's Billy Spears. He had tremendous We paid for it.
Speaker 1: So you know, let's get a taste. Go go to
Speaker 1: your Alabama folder boss and actually jump forward if you
Speaker 1: could to nineteen seventy nine. April twelfth is the clipping.
Speaker 1: This is also from the News Herald in Panama City, Florida.
Speaker 1: And thank god for the News Harold. As far as
Speaker 1: like the heart of the cities that they were in,
Speaker 1: there is not a lot of newspaper. Fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Looks he kind of looks like Jimmy
Speaker 1: Valley in a little bit, he does. I mean, he
Speaker 1: kind of looks like Hogan in a way. He does
Speaker 1: big top hat, you know. Yeah, he looks like he
Speaker 1: could have been Hogan's manager in Rocky three. This is April.
Speaker 1: This is like three weeks after he arrives. And this
Speaker 1: is how they're they're framing Billy Spears new Monster to
Speaker 1: the readers of the of the News Herald in Panama City, Florida.
Speaker 1: Hulk teams with Gladiator, two rough husky wrestlers. We'll try
Speaker 1: to batter up battle batter a pair of chicken thighs
Speaker 1: local favors into submission in my main event. Now what
Speaker 1: chicken thighs our local favorites down there? I can confirm.
Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. All right. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they love him battered as well in a submission in
Speaker 1: the main event of tonight's professional wrestling card. At Bowl
Speaker 1: Air Wrestling Arena. The Hulk, who weighs three hundred and
Speaker 1: sevens like Andre Wayne eight seventy I know Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy five pounds and he's seven feet tall.
Speaker 1: No wonder he fucking developed the uh oh, my god condition,
Speaker 1: the mania that he has. We'll team up with the
Speaker 1: Masked Gladiator and a tag team scrap against Ron Fuller
Speaker 1: and roy Lee Welch. Fuller has proved he can wrestle
Speaker 1: either clean or rough, and we'll get a chance to
Speaker 1: prove it tonight. Another main event the equal equally rough
Speaker 1: David doctor Schultz. Yeah, doctor D, Doctor Schultz, Doctor D
Speaker 1: doctor Shult. Doctor Schultz sounds like uh, I mean that
Speaker 1: sounds like my pediatrician somewhere it does. Yeah. We'll go
Speaker 1: against Norvell Austin, who has become a fan favorite with
Speaker 1: local with Loca fans. Billy Spears will manage the Gladiator
Speaker 1: and the Hulk in their battle and will also be
Speaker 1: on well. Owls be on hand to give advice to Schultz.
Speaker 1: There will be three other matches on the card starting
Speaker 1: at eight pm, so there and then mad As results
Speaker 1: from April eighteens right next to it, Yes, Gladiator Hawk win.
Speaker 1: The Hawk and the Gladiator won their tag team match.
Speaker 1: The Hawk, by the way, called the Hawk Hawk, not
Speaker 1: the Hawk? The Hawk? Who who wrestled the Gladiator? The Hawk?
Speaker 1: The Hawk? Who the fuck is the Hawk?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 1: All right? Find the Hawk? Love it man? The Hawk?
Speaker 1: About the animal exactly? What about the draws? Well, I
Speaker 1: guess they did draw. The Hawk and the Gladiator won
Speaker 1: their tag team wrestling battle with Roy Lee Welch and
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller at the Bowl There Wrestling Arena, despite the
Speaker 1: Hawk being battered all over the place. Brother, right, why
Speaker 1: don't you snelders? Well, I'm listening to not so. I
Speaker 1: said I'd come out there and wrestle. I'm sound get
Speaker 1: beer battered. It's like it is the Alabama version of
Speaker 1: Tartan feathered get battered. Many fans claimed that Billy Spears,
Speaker 1: manager of the Hawk and Gladiator, gave illegal aid. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: did so? Yeah, Hulk was dealing Billy Spears was the
Speaker 1: legal aid?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm the right. Norville Austin beat David Doctor d
Speaker 1: Schultz and a chicken wire match. The ring was enclosed
Speaker 1: with wire so neither wrestler could get out. The wrestling
Speaker 1: Pro Austin and others will be featured in a five
Speaker 1: match card next Thursday night at Bowl Air Wrestling Arena.
Speaker 1: I mean excitement all around. I have to say, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Let's get a further taste if you can jump back
Speaker 1: to April fifth of seventy nine. Here's another mention of
Speaker 1: Hulk even before that one. But I jumped ahead to
Speaker 1: that one because there was just a photo of Billy Spears.
Speaker 1: We couldn't pass up. Oh yeah, no question. But Lucas
Speaker 1: and Shoals to wrestle. According to the News Herald, Lucas
Speaker 1: Schultz to wrestle more Ken Ken Lucas, a long a
Speaker 1: local favorite with wrestling fans, will challenge Doc David Doctor
Speaker 1: D Schultz for the latter's Southeastern Championship Southeastern Championship Wrestlings South.
Speaker 1: The words are never organized in that fashion, but it
Speaker 1: just goes to show how little they cared about the
Speaker 1: wrestling stuff in these in these fucking newspapers. The Southeastern
Speaker 1: Championship Wrestling Belt next Thursday night at Bowl Air Wrestling Arena.
Speaker 1: Sheltz is known here as one of the most rugged
Speaker 1: grapplers to enter the squared circle. Lucas returning here last
Speaker 1: week after a long absence, showed he has lost none
Speaker 1: of his old skill. In a special challenge match, Roy
Speaker 1: Welch will face the Gladiator rough masked wrestler. They have
Speaker 1: a feud going. A five thousand dollars bounty match has
Speaker 1: been scheduled, pitting Rip Tyler not can confuse Rip Taylor
Speaker 1: and Eddie Sullivan and who are managed by Billy Spears,
Speaker 1: against Ricky Fields and Terry lathamused with tost Mama Spears
Speaker 1: that Mama's sorrows. I guess the maternal influence in the
Speaker 1: family has offered a five thousand dollars bounty to Sullivan
Speaker 1: and Tyler if their opponents Field and Latham are seriously hurt.
Speaker 1: Next Thursday night, pretty Boy Wayne Harris will wrestle Norvell
Speaker 1: Awayne Harris. Huh does it say Wayne Harris, Wayne Ferris?
Speaker 1: Damn it? I'm sorry, good one. Oh look you think
Speaker 1: of a honkey talk right now and picture of being
Speaker 1: named Wayne Harris works at the fucking gas down the street.
Speaker 1: That's what they call him. The call. Hey it's pretty
Speaker 1: Boy Wayne Harris. Oh look he's working today, babes.
Speaker 3: Look at that.
Speaker 1: Wayne Ferri's honey talk man. He still works at the
Speaker 1: gas station. Hey ladies, Oh that's good. There's potential there.
Speaker 1: You get me some car to fill up with gasoline.
Speaker 1: I don't care how big it is. It's coming over
Speaker 1: with that fucking with that shit eating T Diddy smile
Speaker 1: that he has. I think you would call his fill
Speaker 1: station the honk of honk Hong. You have to honk
Speaker 1: to get someone to come out the the the honk
Speaker 1: of honk of leaded fuel, something like that, the petrol
Speaker 1: up honk honk of petrol. Look, I don't understand why
Speaker 1: it took us twelve years to envision what if Honky
Speaker 1: tunk Man owned a gas station. Honk a honk a
Speaker 1: honky petrol. That's it right there, pretty boy, Wayne Ferris Wheel,
Speaker 1: Wayne Ferris Wheel, I'm here with the honky tunk Man,
Speaker 1: the legend. He's a Do I have this right, Siry?
Speaker 1: Your real name is Wayne Ferris Wheel? Right? What a
Speaker 1: podcast is this? You got that? Right?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, pretty boy, Wayne Ferris Wheel wrestle or wheel and
Speaker 1: and uh hull seventy five pounds. He lost one hundred
Speaker 1: pounds and wait a minute, gained it. He gained one
Speaker 1: hundred pounds and six inches, Terry reads this article is
Speaker 1: a nope. Get that editor phone. You gotta go up
Speaker 1: to four hundred. Next week.
Speaker 3: Four hundred.
Speaker 1: We'll face Ben Alexander. Everyone an event anywhere in the country.
Speaker 1: How we never got w W World Champion Ben Alexander?
Speaker 1: I'll never know? And where are you Ben? I need
Speaker 1: to know wrestling Terry Boulder, Yes, I need to know.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that no the Hulk or do you
Speaker 1: have brain about those early matches?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: I want to know more about Ben Alexander? All right,
Speaker 1: Next up there, Lucas will wrestle This is four days
Speaker 1: after the article you just read. Lucas will wrestle Ken.
Speaker 1: Lucas another fucking main event name. Lucas will wrestle Ken
Speaker 1: and George, the Lucas brothers. We'll make a movie in
Speaker 1: the ring. Popular wrestler in these parts for a long time.
Speaker 1: Will challenge David doctor d Schultz for the Latters the
Speaker 1: same fucking thing. Southeastern Heavyweight Championship is a feature of
Speaker 1: tonight's professional card. Not a professional wrestling card, just a
Speaker 1: professional card.
Speaker 3: So that.
Speaker 1: Bowl Air Wrestling Arena just can't fucking handle this. Lucas,
Speaker 1: the French Prince of oh god Schultz is naturally not
Speaker 1: anxious to lose the belt with all of the glamour
Speaker 1: that goes with it, so tonight's scrap should be interesting.
Speaker 1: Roy Welsch will meet the gladiator rough masked man. Why
Speaker 1: do they fucking why don't the kid? They say? Roy
Speaker 1: Welsh will meet the gladiator a rough mass man? Why
Speaker 1: is it? We'll meet the gladiator Comma rough masked man
Speaker 1: in a special challenge match that has been demanded by
Speaker 1: both men. That eator was Dick steinborn long time? Well,
Speaker 1: what's what? What's the fucking what's what's the challenge? You
Speaker 1: have to find out? Apparently they've they've demanded a challenge
Speaker 1: match where we don't know what the challenge is. There
Speaker 1: will be a five thousand dollars bounty tag team battle
Speaker 1: in which Rip Tyler and Eddie Sullivan, managed by Billy Spears,
Speaker 1: will tangle with Rick Rickey Fields and Terry Latham. Mama Spears,
Speaker 1: Billy's mother, has offered the five thousand dollars bounty to
Speaker 1: Tyler and Sullivan if Latham and Fields are seriously injured.
Speaker 1: Ken Alexander, So wait is it Ben or is it Ken?
Speaker 1: It's Ken? Absolutely? Oh no, it's Ben because an Lucas.
Speaker 1: It's Ben Alexander with Ben Alexander or Ken Alexander because
Speaker 1: we got both here, another brother. We'll do it. We'll
Speaker 1: face the Hulk two hundred and seventy five pound, six
Speaker 1: foot six wrestler. Action will start at eight PM. So
Speaker 1: I guess there was just a typo. That's the same.
Speaker 1: That was the same article where they called him hawk,
Speaker 1: but but not to say but is he seven foot? Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. That was hard. That's true. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I mentioned Hulk Hogan in nineteen seventy nine was four
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of muscle. I mean, could you imagine how
Speaker 1: like imagine the cheeks, imagine the cheeks on that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: It's like a guy who created no mercy and just
Speaker 1: dial everything up to ten, you know, like exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: still doing moves all like just round, like you know,
Speaker 1: the skin of a fucking balloon. Next, we haven't had
Speaker 1: here for Southeastern Wrestling, romoted by Dick Steinborn. What do
Speaker 1: you know? Dick Steinborn the promoter also in the main
Speaker 1: event as the Gladiator uh managed by Billy Spears his
Speaker 1: partner The Halt who's you're listed at sixty four and
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds to take on. So he's so he's shrunk. Now,
Speaker 1: he's shrunk, that's correct, and they're taking on with this
Speaker 1: main event already. I mean, the guy's in the territory
Speaker 1: a week or week and a half and he's main
Speaker 1: eventing here at the Montgomery Montgomery, Alabama Civic Center. Tickets
Speaker 1: four dollars for ringside if you're wondering, Well, see he's
Speaker 1: see he's he's six four in Montgomery and in Panama.
Speaker 1: He's uh, he's six six. Gonna make quite a few
Speaker 1: stops at that all you can eat they talked about
Speaker 1: in brutuses, that's right. Uh, they're they're facing Ron Fuller
Speaker 1: and roy Lee Welch. Ron Fuller of course, uh, the
Speaker 1: Tennessee stud the owner of the territory and a big
Speaker 1: star in his own right down there in Royley Welch
Speaker 1: his his cousin, who was a well known name kind
Speaker 1: of the generation before but was still hanging around, was
Speaker 1: like a grizzled veteran in the area. So that's big
Speaker 1: that he's already in that position. You see the picture
Speaker 1: of the mass man, that's actually Gladiator Dick steinborn under
Speaker 1: the hood. They are not picturing the Hulk quite yet. Next,
Speaker 1: this is from the Selma Times Journal on April eighth,
Speaker 1: seventy nine, just to match card at the Selma National
Speaker 1: Guard Armory, also promoted by Dick Steinborn. It's time it's
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller vers David Schultz in the main event. And
Speaker 1: further down the card we get a look at our Hulk.
Speaker 1: He's taking on Ben Alexander, listed simply as the Hulk. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't stress this enough. He's called the Hulk from
Speaker 1: the very beginning. It doesn't say Terry Bolea, it doesn't
Speaker 1: see Sterling Golden, it doesn't say Terry Boulder, doesn't say anything,
Speaker 1: but the Hulk. That's what he's called. There's no fucking
Speaker 1: way that he got that name after being in a
Speaker 1: television studio with Lou for Rigno the week he shows
Speaker 1: up in the territory. According to all records we have,
Speaker 1: he's already been called the Hulk and nothing more. Okay,
Speaker 1: case closed, No, not possible closed. We already looked at
Speaker 1: that one. Here's a card from also promote to Dick
Speaker 1: Steinborn at the monkoin Re Civic Center. And where do
Speaker 1: you see let's see where do we see him here?
Speaker 1: This is kind of hard for me to read. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the Hulk verse Fuller. There it is again further down Yep,
Speaker 1: the Hulk. Okay, how about uh the Hulk. This is
Speaker 1: from April twenty third, nineteen seventy nine. This time it's
Speaker 1: not Roy Lee Welch. Let's see where does he fact
Speaker 1: the Hulk? The Hulk? Ron Fuller pounds versus Ron Fuller
Speaker 1: My goodness, next April twenty six to seventy nine, Boss
Speaker 1: give it to him. From the aforementioned Panama City News
Speaker 1: Herald Fuller Schultz clash Tonight. Ron Fuller and Dave Schultz
Speaker 1: will clash in a Southeastern Championship Wrestling match tonight. I
Speaker 1: mean is that the name of the organization southeastre Championship Wrestling?
Speaker 6: Is he?
Speaker 1: Is it for the belt or what do we know? Oh,
Speaker 1: he is putting up the belt. Shelves is putting up
Speaker 1: the belt, and Fuller says he intends to get it.
Speaker 1: A quote bull rope unquote. Match is also scheduled, with
Speaker 1: Roy Lee Welch checking on the Gladiator. Welch will be
Speaker 1: seconded by his father, Lester Welch. Roy and Lester Welch.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well well known in his wrestling days. Here
Speaker 1: and Billy Spears will manage the gladiator. Both men will
Speaker 1: be tied together with a bull rope, and to win
Speaker 1: the match, one of the wrestlers must either pin his
Speaker 1: opponent for account of four or drag him all the
Speaker 1: way around the ring. I've never heard the four count
Speaker 1: before ever in my life. I kind of need it, though.
Speaker 1: You imagine, like, how how fucking confusing could that be
Speaker 1: for wrestling fans, Like, like, how can you not be conditioned?
Speaker 1: I know to like cheer at three, but no, you
Speaker 1: need four. Imagine if when ae W started all right
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Tony Kahn steps up at the press conference
Speaker 1: and says, all right, we're excited. We're not a couple
Speaker 1: of things that we think make aw different. We will
Speaker 1: have seven counts.
Speaker 9: One, two, three, four, five, Six goes and tells me
Speaker 9: people still won't kick out till six, even though two
Speaker 9: did just fine forever.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, seven count Look, if we ever get
Speaker 1: the book anywhere, that's the first thing I'm implementing. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we are a seven count promotion. We're proud of either
Speaker 1: that or either that, Either that or I might go
Speaker 1: old school and have it just be a single a
Speaker 1: single count. But yeah, one slap of the shoulder, one
Speaker 1: slap of the shoulder. You could do a lot. You
Speaker 1: could have a lot of fun with that, Actually, you could.
Speaker 1: You could change the whole dynamic of the matches for sure.
Speaker 1: These guys wouldn't know fuck all how to do that,
Speaker 1: but they'd have to learn. You could also do count outs.
Speaker 1: Forty counts. I would do a minute. The way you
Speaker 1: can get counted out in our promotion is if you
Speaker 1: get bludgeons so badly you can't move for a full
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, Hogan would still insist on losing Olivia
Speaker 1: count now exactly, fucking right, fucking that's the only place
Speaker 1: he would sell. He's just laying out there outside the ring.
Speaker 1: They'll ref kind of to you heard it. Where's any
Speaker 1: financial backers out there? They want to get this off there.
Speaker 1: We're going to call it, that's what we're doing. We're
Speaker 1: gonna call it the Real Wrestling Association, the Not Fake
Speaker 1: Wrestling Association, No, the Not Fake Wrestling League. There it is,
Speaker 1: that's right, the n f n f w L no foul.
Speaker 1: You could call it the no Fake League. I won't
Speaker 1: get us in any trouble. All right, fine, we can't
Speaker 1: call it the No the No Fake League. We're gonna
Speaker 1: call it the No Bullshit Association. Here's another fucking cease
Speaker 1: and desist. Well, we just call it major League Bullshit.
Speaker 1: So much for the No Bullshit. We just go and
Speaker 1: call it major league bullshit. We went for two names
Speaker 1: that say that this isn't bullshit, just well admitting it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: But Bush, you have to come up with a third name.
Speaker 1: We're already frustrated. I can't remember did you finish this
Speaker 1: wonderful article or not?
Speaker 10: You didn't even know why?
Speaker 1: Because this you're about to hit on something that is historic.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh yes, The Samoans, a colorful tag team,
Speaker 1: will meet Arman Hussein and Norvelle Austin in a tag
Speaker 1: team match. Eddie Sullivan will wrestle Rickey Field and Ben
Speaker 1: Alexander will wrestle Larry Mills The Hulk. The Hulk giant
Speaker 1: grappler who will meet another big man, Andre the Giant
Speaker 1: here soon will give a demonstration of his strength and wrestling.
Speaker 1: A Billy te action starts at eight pm. That's buried
Speaker 1: as the last paragraph of this thing.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Okay, they're already promoting that Andre's coming. Terry
Speaker 1: has been there for a month, a little over a month,
Speaker 1: and it's already in the papers that Andre's coming for
Speaker 1: the Hulk. I mean that is just huge. How do
Speaker 1: we get there? Throw Hulk of the wrestlant worldly in
Speaker 1: the throw Giant all the restlant world, not the houlk.
Speaker 10: Headed to Alabama? Roll come down for Alabama. A lot
Speaker 10: of the thrown a hunk, don't prove them Iron the
Speaker 10: only giant.
Speaker 1: How wasn't he can rob for? I called for you next?
Speaker 1: And then the Hunk? He's fired up about this program.
Speaker 1: He really wants us to work. He really loves his
Speaker 1: boy Louis to let his fucking month you all homeboy?
Speaker 1: How was How was Andre not considered for the loof
Speaker 1: for Rigno role? Well? I couldn't move? Well, I guess
Speaker 1: he could. He could he move back? Then it's before Princess.
Speaker 1: He can move enough. Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could have made it and make it fake it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know because he's not he's not muscular though, right,
Speaker 1: the Holt's gonna be muscular. Yeah, you need the definition
Speaker 1: more than anything. Yeah, great point. So yeah, as established,
Speaker 1: Rob Fuller's up there booking in Memphis and uh, and
Speaker 1: a special arrangement was made, according to Ron Fuller, between Rob,
Speaker 1: his brother and his father, Herb Welch, and Jerry Jarrett,
Speaker 1: that if Rob's gonna go over there in book Memphis,
Speaker 1: Rob had the right to decide each wrestler's payoff every night.
Speaker 1: He wanted control as a booker over what the guy's
Speaker 1: got paid, because if you don't have control, you're not
Speaker 1: the boss. If you don't have control a verb much
Speaker 1: people get paid, you're not the boss, right yep. And
Speaker 1: so according to Ron Fuller, what they agree on is
Speaker 1: that every night in the Memphis territory of Rob is
Speaker 1: going to book, it's going to be twenty eight percent
Speaker 1: of the gross house is going to get paid out
Speaker 1: to the wrestlers. Twenty eight percent was the magic number.
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller said. Twenty eight percent is what he always
Speaker 1: used in his territories to figure payoffs, and he said
Speaker 1: that actually was significantly more than most territories paid their wrestlers.
Speaker 1: The crowds are bad in Memphis. When Rob arrived in
Speaker 1: January seventy nine, Ron said, and they grew quite a bit.
Speaker 1: So by the time you get to May, according to
Speaker 1: Ron Fuller, that twenty eight percent is starting to make
Speaker 1: Jerry Jarrett feel like he's getting screwed. You know how
Speaker 1: that goes? Oh boy, when the money starts rolling in,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the people who get paid the
Speaker 1: most feel underpaid. You know how that goes. And so
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, according to Ron, Jerry comes to
Speaker 1: Rob and says, actually, coming, we're going to lower the
Speaker 1: percentage from twenty eight percent to twenty two percent to
Speaker 1: the talent. Now, if they're bringing in that much more
Speaker 1: at the gate, you know, the wrestlers might not notice
Speaker 1: that big of a difference in their check. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it actually was quite a bit because he goes through
Speaker 1: the math a little while for a little bit, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's a couple hundred dollars less every week
Speaker 1: take home at a time when that accounted for a
Speaker 1: lot inflation adjusted. So it actually quickly sours the Fuller
Speaker 1: Jarrett alliance in Memphis. And this will be important because
Speaker 1: where is Terry Bullya and Ed Bulder.
Speaker 5: Going to go.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go to Memphis as well. And suddenly it's
Speaker 1: not a cooperative situation, but a competitive situation because things
Speaker 1: are already starting to sour up there visa VI the Fullers,
Speaker 1: and according to Ron, his brother Rob told Jerry Jarrett,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do this and cut the percentage the boys,
Speaker 1: I have no choice. I'm leaving as booker. So that
Speaker 1: is going. Wow, Really, that is going to That's a
Speaker 1: seed that's going to sprout as we go. But here's
Speaker 1: Ron remembering. At the wtv Y Studios Dothan, Alabama, run
Speaker 1: March eleventh or so of nineteen seventy nine, the Hulk
Speaker 1: appears on television for the first time.
Speaker 3: Wow, he was definitely on that TV Dave, and it
Speaker 3: was the first time either Louis, who was the new
Speaker 3: booker down there, or I, either one of us saw it.
Speaker 3: And you know, we needed to meet him and we
Speaker 3: needed to talk to him about our plans for him,
Speaker 3: but most of all, we needed to see how capable
Speaker 3: he was in the ring. We didn't know anything about him,
Speaker 3: not even what he looked like. And while you know,
Speaker 3: he was pretty impressive when you first get a look
Speaker 3: at him, and these first TV matches that he was
Speaker 3: going to be in down there were critical man in
Speaker 3: getting him over, especially since he had very little experience.
Speaker 3: And as always with everything, just about the first impression
Speaker 3: is so important, and especially with wrestling fans, it's was critical.
Speaker 3: This TV show got a lot of surprise. And the
Speaker 3: next one was this huge wressler that no one had
Speaker 3: ever seen before, six feet nine inches tall and three
Speaker 3: hundred pounds. And when he came addressing there was a
Speaker 3: little you know, people in the then the features in
Speaker 3: the studio were, you know, they're always talking a little bit.
Speaker 3: As soon as he came out, it went to silence
Speaker 3: in the studio, it was like. And then when he
Speaker 3: got in the ring, fans didn't know whether he was
Speaker 3: a heel or a baby face. They had never seen
Speaker 3: him before. And uh and he was introduced as Terry
Speaker 3: the Hug Boulder and in less than about two minutes,
Speaker 3: Uh it took you for him throwing this little opponent around,
Speaker 3: looked like he was resting a baby, you know, throwing
Speaker 3: him all over the ring. And then he got him
Speaker 3: in the bare hug and he submitted, and uh so
Speaker 3: it was still silence in the studio when he got
Speaker 3: out of the ring, you know, and then they started
Speaker 3: carrying his opponent out. You know, the studio had just
Speaker 3: sat there. They were mouths open, like, wow, who is this?
Speaker 3: What is this all about?
Speaker 11: Didn't he start his Southeastern career as a heel? Was
Speaker 11: there any indication of that?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I wasn't. In that first match, obviously he didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, he didn't really heal. He just basically bumped
Speaker 3: the guy around a little bit and then put him
Speaker 3: in the barre huge and it was over with us
Speaker 3: all he had to do. Yeah, so yeah, but yes,
Speaker 3: he was a heel when he came.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being in that studio, no idea, what's coming?
Speaker 1: Not He walks out as the Halt and he's like
Speaker 1: the biggest person anyone in that town has ever seen,
Speaker 1: including in a wrestling ring besides onr that you of course,
Speaker 1: and he and I love what he describes that people
Speaker 1: just don't know what to say. There's like a pregnant silence,
Speaker 1: like look at this fucking guy, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: not like we're gonna say anything. You got to remember
Speaker 1: how intimate and small these studio wrestling settings are, like
Speaker 1: every little peep you make, the wrestler can hear, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're you're kind of sitting there kind of you know,
Speaker 1: with your hands folded a little bit. It kind of
Speaker 1: studio yep. So it's like, uh, it's it's pretty. I mean,
Speaker 1: just imagine Boss as he describes that. What are you picturing?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I you know, I think of
Speaker 1: a I think of a small I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: you say studio wrestling. I always think of I always
Speaker 1: think of of the old w CW. You know, the
Speaker 1: the World Championship Wrestling yep. You know layout, So you have,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of a small group in there,
Speaker 1: and you know, in a weird way, it's like there's
Speaker 1: I can picture Hogan coming out with you know, whenever
Speaker 1: you whenever you have a studio something like that, there
Speaker 1: is always a lack of spectacle because they you know,
Speaker 1: you come out as if you're coming out in front
Speaker 1: of thousands of people, but you're not. You're coming out
Speaker 1: in front of like hundreds of people. And so even
Speaker 1: though you've got this this whole grand thing, you got
Speaker 1: a costume and everything, it just always feels a little
Speaker 1: bit out of place. And I can picture Hogan being
Speaker 1: in that situation. Well he doesn't know what, you know,
Speaker 1: like just of course, I mean we saw how reticent
Speaker 1: and strange he looked in those brief training clips from
Speaker 1: Florida in seventy seven, just kind of like lumbering around
Speaker 1: and like, you know, kind of looking unsure of himself.
Speaker 1: And now while he's jacked like a motherfucker by now,
Speaker 1: he's still like run Fullert's scrib he doesn't know what
Speaker 1: to do. He's like, he's just going out there and
Speaker 1: he's got three moves he's got to do. He's gonna
Speaker 1: squash these little guys because it's right off to the
Speaker 1: racist like they're going with this guy right away, and
Speaker 1: so he is going to have to learn to swim
Speaker 1: after being thrown into the pool. So we mentioned the
Speaker 1: Ben Alexander match on March twenty second, nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: is generally regarded as Terry Boley his first match in
Speaker 1: the territory. He worked the Wrestling Pro in Panama City
Speaker 1: and some others, and after after a while, it becomes
Speaker 1: very clear that they're going to really accelerate the push
Speaker 1: for this guy after he has that sort of that strange,
Speaker 1: subdued reaction in his first appearance in the television studio
Speaker 1: and here Ron Fuller on a YouTube series he does
Speaker 1: called short Ride talks about Louis Tillette coming to him
Speaker 1: and saying, this guy has potential. You need to come
Speaker 1: see him. This is kind of jumping back a little
Speaker 1: bit in the timeline, but he tells it in a
Speaker 1: little more richer detail.
Speaker 3: Louis Tillett called me up.
Speaker 4: He had had a hulk in the territory for about
Speaker 4: four or five weeks and and he says, and he
Speaker 4: had his finch ex and he says, Romna, this guy's
Speaker 4: got tremendous potential. You know he needs he needs a
Speaker 4: big guy to wrestle with. He needs a We don't
Speaker 4: have anybody your size. And and uh, and I think
Speaker 4: he's ready. You need to come and take a look
Speaker 4: at him. And and I want you to work with him.
Speaker 4: So I go to Dothan, Alabama, first time I ever
Speaker 4: see the hulk Terry Terry Terry Boulder is what his
Speaker 4: name was, Terry the hog Bolder.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what we called him anyway. And uh so, uh,
Speaker 3: I went to the ring, got to the ring first.
Speaker 4: He's obviously and uh and I see him come out
Speaker 4: of the dressing room and he doesn't look anything like
Speaker 4: the hull Cooke.
Speaker 3: And people remember or people know. Most people know.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: He had black hair on his body. His upper body
Speaker 3: was the all black hair. His hair was black. He
Speaker 3: didn't have the blonde hair. He had shaved his chest
Speaker 3: down into the shape of a diamond, down to where
Speaker 3: his trunks were. He was the most hard looking guy ever.
Speaker 4: But once he got to the ring, and he got
Speaker 4: in the ring, and I stood facing him and next
Speaker 4: to him and really got to look at him. I
Speaker 4: could see what Louis to Let saw in him and uh,
Speaker 4: and I could see that he had tremendous potential. Obviously
Speaker 4: he wasn't a very good wrestler.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: We had a great match, but I had to lead
Speaker 4: him and did the best I could. He was in
Speaker 4: the process of learning. But it was unbelievable love for
Speaker 4: us to Louis to find him and to bring him
Speaker 4: there and to develop him into being a star, and
Speaker 4: where his career went from there.
Speaker 1: It was just.
Speaker 3: Out of sight, unbelievable. But we started him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not forget that Ron Fuller himself is like six'.
Speaker 1: Nine he's a tall. Motherfucker if you ever see him
Speaker 1: in the, Ring, WOW i didn't know. That, ye he
Speaker 1: towers over. Everybody he, wrestles and he was like a,
Speaker 1: long almost a career long babyface in terms of like
Speaker 1: the territories where he sunk in the. Most he had heel,
Speaker 1: runs of, course but he had to figure out a
Speaker 1: way to be a babyface as a, big tall. Motherfucker
Speaker 1: AND i think that that's kind of related to looking
Speaker 1: At Terry bullay and seeing this guy not as some
Speaker 1: guy with tremendous limitations because he's so much bigger than everybody.
Speaker 1: Else how's everybody else going to work with? Him but
Speaker 1: seeing a guy, like of course you can go with
Speaker 1: the guy this, Tall i'm that tall and remain invented
Speaker 1: In florida and elsewhere for. Years this is the opposite
Speaker 1: of the problem they had In, florida where you, know
Speaker 1: the promoters and the owners are kind of short of.
Speaker 1: Stature Mike graham in, particular what Did Brian blair, Say
Speaker 1: terry call them the main event? Midget, yes, right they're
Speaker 1: being as big As terry is a problem that you
Speaker 1: have to. Overcome but here In Gulf, coast you're you're
Speaker 1: working for a guy who ride tons of money in
Speaker 1: the business being. Massive you know what what what what
Speaker 1: really it comes down to Is it always depends on
Speaker 1: who runs the territories because obviously the one who runs
Speaker 1: the territory is going to want people who look like.
Speaker 1: Them that's. Right they're gonna be able to see who resemble,
Speaker 1: them you. Know and it's, like, well wait a, MINUTE
Speaker 1: i can draw IF i step foot in this ring right,
Speaker 1: NOW i can, Draw but how AM i going to
Speaker 1: draw with this fucking clown who's like a? Tree you're absolutely,
Speaker 1: right it's what it. Is is it's another it's another prime.
Speaker 1: Example AND i, mean, honestly we're seeing it even with
Speaker 1: the stuff with when we do the live, calls the
Speaker 1: narrow the the the narrowed viewpoint of the people in.
Speaker 1: Charge they can't see past themselves really Because TRIPLE H
Speaker 1: Shawn michael's doing the same thing. ABSOLUTELY i, Mean Johnny
Speaker 1: gargano And Tomasso champa basically costume themselves to resemble them
Speaker 1: in so many. Ways it gets that. Gratuitous and maybe
Speaker 1: you don't have to look like, them but you better
Speaker 1: do the, spinebuster you better kip up and you're doing
Speaker 1: and they're doing the same. Story but but my point
Speaker 1: is that they're doing the same stories though stories, too
Speaker 1: like they're Doing diesel the Diesel Shawn michael's, dynamic you,
Speaker 1: know and and it's like you really can't get past
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know if IT'S i don't know if
Speaker 1: it's if it's it's a narrow, mindedness or if it's
Speaker 1: a choice or. What but it's like it is a
Speaker 1: very it's a it's a problem honestly in the business
Speaker 1: that that you have so many people who can't and
Speaker 1: in a weird, Way vince Sick man no, different always
Speaker 1: looking for New Hulk cogan, totally you, Know and here's
Speaker 1: the same type of. Thing and this is why it's
Speaker 1: so money what you're. Saying hulk brings with him the
Speaker 1: experience of what got him over and all of these
Speaker 1: other territories despite having ritle to know experience To vince's
Speaker 1: doorstep and gets so much power When Vince junior takes
Speaker 1: over and they're essentially co CEOs OF wwf in a
Speaker 1: lot of, ways every decision has been run By. Hulk
Speaker 1: they'll live together In connecticut at the office every. Day
Speaker 1: you better Believe hulk is putting on the table some
Speaker 1: of the things that work for him when he came
Speaker 1: up in the. Business of, course and you take a
Speaker 1: closer look and all this stuff That vince gets all
Speaker 1: his credit for being a. Genius for, you, like, actually No,
Speaker 1: Hogan Terry, boulder whatever did a version of. That if
Speaker 1: you closely examine the territories he worked in, beforehand be At,
Speaker 1: memphis be At, georgia be it At alabama Or japan
Speaker 1: or Even, Montreal a's will talk about. Unbelievable he had
Speaker 1: all these ideas and he had all these opponents to
Speaker 1: work with and, everything AND i don't, know it's just
Speaker 1: extremely fascinating that his limitations that That terry was narrow
Speaker 1: minded to but because it was so new to so
Speaker 1: many people when he became a national, star it was
Speaker 1: all new, angles but they really weren't, new and the
Speaker 1: presentation really wasn't new in terms of how many wrestlers
Speaker 1: he borrowed from and the look and. Feel and, yeah
Speaker 1: you know, again not being able to see past your
Speaker 1: own success is a huge problem for wrestling. Bookers SO
Speaker 1: i don't know if you Heard Ron fuller describe the
Speaker 1: black hair, there but someone recently hit us On twitter
Speaker 1: with this picture and it was so deeply. Alarming this
Speaker 1: is him laying on a bed In japan with The Stan.
Speaker 1: Hansen don't know IF i want to see, this this
Speaker 1: is this is going to Be this is gonna be
Speaker 1: like like some some frank silver, shit isn't.
Speaker 11: It let me?
Speaker 1: See? Oh what is? That what it looks Like Sean
Speaker 1: connery and he really does with the jet black. Hair
Speaker 1: is that his natural hair in? COLOR i don't think.
Speaker 1: SO i MEAN i. Must he's got blondish hair and
Speaker 1: all the although all the pictures are black and white
Speaker 1: from when he was In little, league in high school
Speaker 1: and when he was In. Ruckus but he may very
Speaker 1: well have been dying it by the. Time but he
Speaker 1: could also have. BEEN i, mean you know so, many
Speaker 1: so many people with blonde hair end up their hair
Speaker 1: ends up getting. DARK i, MEAN i don't Think i've
Speaker 1: ever seen like jet black like. That, right there's a
Speaker 1: blonde but it's mostly. Black, yes but it makes. SENSE i,
Speaker 1: mean his chest hair is. Black when we see the you,
Speaker 1: know the pictures of him when he had the mushroom
Speaker 1: cloud of chest hair shaved onto his his his his
Speaker 1: chest and stomach that Run fuller was talking about it
Speaker 1: is jet. Black he's An italian. GUY i, mean look at.
Speaker 1: Him look at how it's so weird to See Hulk
Speaker 1: cogan with jet black hair like. THAT i, mean he
Speaker 1: looks like a porn. Star He and also what's amazing
Speaker 1: IS i guess who's not? TAN i, KNOW i know
Speaker 1: he's got pretty much uh white skin, there like, yep,
Speaker 1: wow look how fucking puffy he. Is it's a. Riot
Speaker 1: how fucking puffy he? Was oh, YEAH i, mean, well
Speaker 1: when you roid like that without any counterbalancing cutting drugs
Speaker 1: you know that allow you to do to maintain lean muscle,
Speaker 1: mass you're just gonna bloat with the water weight like.
Speaker 1: Crazy but he's, experimenting AND i guess you, know we
Speaker 1: talked about the name. Confusion why does it seem like
Speaker 1: he was Called Sterling golden In Gulf coast as well
Speaker 1: As Terry boulder as well as just The. HULK i
Speaker 1: mean we just read the. Articles he was called The
Speaker 1: hulk and nothing else when he first.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 1: Being promoted as a h legal reason maybe Brother Ron
Speaker 1: fuller said in another, podcast we initially called Him Sterling
Speaker 1: golden and Says Billy spears called Him Sterling. Golden is,
Speaker 1: mentioned But terry wanted to be Called, boulder but primarily
Speaker 1: we called him The, hulk he, Said louis till that told,
Speaker 1: ME i want to call this guy The. Hulk and,
Speaker 1: yes back in those, Days Ron fuller said The hulk
Speaker 1: was a big, thing And louis, said let's just call
Speaker 1: him The. Hulk and later, on, Oh, louis can we
Speaker 1: can we Give louie. Credit, absolutely we can Give louie
Speaker 1: credit for Calling Terry boulet The. HULK i mean that's,
Speaker 1: big that's, huge full of, remembers you, know after you're
Speaker 1: laying eyes on him and working with, him also making
Speaker 1: a trip To tampa at one point to get a
Speaker 1: look At ballet and see what he looked like and
Speaker 1: offer him the opportunity to come work for them and
Speaker 1: make a star out of. Him and here in the
Speaker 1: studcast this is a Classic ron like did you meet
Speaker 1: him or? Not did you lay eyes on him the
Speaker 1: first time going to work against, him or did you
Speaker 1: lay eyes on? HIM i went to fucking recruit. Him
Speaker 1: can we please figure this? Out apparently, Not, no you.
Speaker 1: Can't Here's ron on the pod talking about this whole,
Speaker 1: thing And Louis tillette to.
Speaker 11: Him sometimes as just Simply Hawk and why is? That
Speaker 11: is there a leg legal reason for that or what's
Speaker 11: why Just.
Speaker 1: Hulk.
Speaker 3: NO i, mean you, know he started for. Us we're
Speaker 3: the first wrestling, Company southeastern that he ever wrestled. For
Speaker 3: and you, know WHEN i first saw him And louis
Speaker 3: first saw, Him louis told Me ron he, GOES i
Speaker 3: want to call this guy The. Hulk and back in those,
Speaker 3: days The hulk was a pretty big feature in. Television
Speaker 3: there it is the Actual, hulk the. Bodybuilder, yeah The,
Speaker 3: hulk you, know and Obviously hogan that, big, big great body.
Speaker 3: Too so, uh you, Know luis, said let's just call
Speaker 3: him The. Hulk The hulk. Wow so that's where he
Speaker 3: got That. Hulk from later, on probably in his third
Speaker 3: or fourth territory that he worked in was For Vince
Speaker 3: senior and w W f before it became W w
Speaker 3: even and he got that. NAME i think that's where
Speaker 3: he got That hogan tied on to the end Of.
Speaker 11: Hulk, So louis To, lett your, booker is the one
Speaker 11: who first used the Word hulk in association with who
Speaker 11: was eventually to Become Superstar Hulk hogan as we know him.
Speaker 3: Today that's.
Speaker 12: Great it's where he got the Names superstar l part
Speaker 12: of his name that he was so famous for came
Speaker 12: From louis To let In southeastern.
Speaker 3: Wrestling there it is nail it.
Speaker 1: DOWN i don't know who THIS i don't know who
Speaker 1: this fucking a superstar is the superstar with a gram
Speaker 1: of course he meant the Superstar hulk coviin, yes but
Speaker 1: there it is nail it, Down. BABY i feel like
Speaker 1: we found All we're gonna find about who was the
Speaker 1: first person to lay eyes On Terry bole and say
Speaker 1: you are The. Hulk LOUIS Toi lett and there's a.
Speaker 1: Guy there's a guy in the territory Named Herb. Calvert
Speaker 1: this was like an old, shooter guy that had the
Speaker 1: respect of the fans in that part of the, country
Speaker 1: a guy that they kind of considered like a, mainstay
Speaker 1: not not a not a world, beater not a, superstar
Speaker 1: but a guy that was deeply. Respected he would actually
Speaker 1: do the challenges of fans out of the. Audience he
Speaker 1: was like the the territory shooter in that. Regard and
Speaker 1: and you better believe at a at a certain, point
Speaker 1: The hulk gets interested in This Herb calval. Challenge, okay
Speaker 1: gets very interested and here in a clip from the,
Speaker 1: saidcast we get a further development of The hulk On Alabama.
Speaker 3: Television calvert took care of, business and he showed the,
Speaker 3: ringer the arena, fans and then and then the, challengers
Speaker 3: and they were in the. Ring the five, five one
Speaker 3: hundred dollar bills that he had here was his. Money
Speaker 3: he gave the money to the, referee as he had always,
Speaker 3: done because you can't wrestle where you're gonna put the
Speaker 3: five hundred. Dollars he gave it the referee to hang on.
Speaker 3: To so immediately after he beats the second challenger from the.
Speaker 3: Audience you, know this Is hulk's first. Night bear in,
Speaker 3: mind it's the first time people have ever seen him, live,
Speaker 3: right so you, know he stands, there he watches this.
Speaker 3: Deal and then immediately After calvert wins the second, match you,
Speaker 3: know And calvert reaches, down he picks the guy up
Speaker 3: that he beat quote boats in the ring man he
Speaker 3: Nailed calvert from, behind and he shoved the fan down
Speaker 3: and put him with his, foot booted him out of
Speaker 3: the ring into the. Floor and then he picked Up
Speaker 3: calvert and he put him in a bear, hood, uh
Speaker 3: and he started swinging him. Around you, know the match
Speaker 3: had the second match hadn't been officially, said it was
Speaker 3: done and The hawks already got calvered up in a bear,
Speaker 3: hug and the referee tried to stop him as best he,
Speaker 3: could you. Know and then when he couldn't stop, it
Speaker 3: he signaled the timekeeper and they started ringing the bell
Speaker 3: to stop the, match a match that had never officially
Speaker 3: won as a matter of, fact you. Know so when
Speaker 3: The Harvard calvert's arms went limp, hok just dropped him
Speaker 3: like a bad. HABIT i hate, them and you, know
Speaker 3: he'd done what he wanted to. Do and then he
Speaker 3: grabbed a referee and he turned him upside down and
Speaker 3: he held him with one hand around the, ankle and
Speaker 3: he reached in there and Got calverts five hundred dollars
Speaker 3: out of the rod spogger and he left the.
Speaker 11: Ring, wow that is what a way to get started for,
Speaker 11: real all. Right so that had to be some real
Speaker 11: heat on the first night he was ever in the.
Speaker 3: City, yeah so let's just say you got you say
Speaker 3: you got everybody's, ATTENTION i can tell you. That and,
Speaker 3: then and like most times in mobile with, heat you,
Speaker 3: know and people were jumping up out of their seats
Speaker 3: and getting in the aisles to try to stop. You
Speaker 3: nobody tried to stop him on his way to the.
Speaker 3: Dresser they showed him a lot of. Respect luis, said
Speaker 3: they kind of let everybody just sit there, like, wow
Speaker 3: we don't like. It BUT i no one messed with.
Speaker 1: That, yeah no one messed with. THAT i, mean just
Speaker 1: to to picture like the Future Hulk hogan running out
Speaker 1: there and just beating up a fan for heat and
Speaker 1: taking down Herb calvert and bear hugging the guy that
Speaker 1: was like The Territory, shooter the guy nobody could. Touch,
Speaker 1: like nobody knows this stuff about what he was doing
Speaker 1: In South coast until this podcast came. Out, yea unless
Speaker 1: unless you watch the Tell Crazy. Time and So i'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there riveted because we're getting actual testimonials of
Speaker 1: what it was like to watch the television without having the.
Speaker 1: Video it's got to be the next best. Thing it's
Speaker 1: way better than just even reading it on. Paper oh for.
Speaker 1: SURE i, mean you, know hearing him say it is is.
Speaker 1: INCREDIBLE i mean, yeah the next thing you'd need is
Speaker 1: really to be able to watch. It and it's a
Speaker 1: shame we can't watch, it but well there's a young
Speaker 1: man Named John kirk who couldn't watch it as. Well
Speaker 1: this is kind of just off to the. Side MAYBE
Speaker 1: i don't, know maybe Young John kirk was so terrified
Speaker 1: of this New hulk that it had led to, this,
Speaker 1: boss why don't you hit us with what appears in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy Nine april twenty seventh and The Dothan eagle
Speaker 1: Actually april. Thirty the clipping is entitled nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 1: four twenty, Seven oh for, Twenties okay The Dothan. Eagle,
Speaker 1: ooh youth dies Here. Friday John, kirk sixteen year old
Speaker 1: son of mister And Missus Arnold, kirk was pronounced dead
Speaker 1: on arrival at The Southeast Medical Center friday night following
Speaker 1: a series of. Seizures kirk was attending the wrestling matches
Speaker 1: at The Farm center when his friends noticed he was
Speaker 1: quote acting. Funny kirk then went into something comparable to
Speaker 1: seizures and was taking to the medical. Center according to
Speaker 1: Corner Jack, still an autopsy showed That kirk died from
Speaker 1: a brain. Hemorrhage very, SAD i very. MUCH i. Understand
Speaker 1: Terry bolea looked out into the audience and saw him
Speaker 1: and reached out for him before he passed, away and
Speaker 1: later wrote a song about. It rest in, Peace John?
Speaker 1: Carter what was? It what's the? SONG i haven't needed another.
Speaker 3: Needed a?
Speaker 1: Maniac how Many olka maniacs are? Dead, LIKE i, mean
Speaker 1: what's it? CALLED i can't think of the name of
Speaker 1: the Fucking let me find it. Here, YEAH i Know
Speaker 1: i've got the weve got the whole album has to
Speaker 1: be where he got the idea. Here it has to. Be,
Speaker 1: Oh hulkster In. Heaven that's. Right it makes it sound
Speaker 1: like he's in heaven he, died, Right. NOTMANIA i know you're,
Speaker 1: right that's, right it's Not holkamaniac can have. IT i
Speaker 1: never even noticed. That that's like fucking. Weird so, like
Speaker 1: why would you call It hulkster In? Heaven it just
Speaker 1: makes no. Sense so we go forward here to the
Speaker 1: seventy Nine april. Thirtieth here's a clipping from The Alabama.
Speaker 1: Journal this Is Southeastern wrestling. Again it come, on we're.
Speaker 1: Moving we're getting this. Here oh you're bringing it. Up,
Speaker 1: OKAY i got.
Speaker 2: IT i was TELLING i read in the, PAPERS.
Speaker 1: I saw it ON.
Speaker 8: TV i guess you'll be an empty seat WHEN i.
Speaker 3: Wrestled it will be.
Speaker 2: LEAVE i used to tear my, shirt but now you
Speaker 2: tore my. HEART i knew you were a healthy maniac
Speaker 2: right from the very. Start from, YOU.
Speaker 1: I see you.
Speaker 8: As you see.
Speaker 2: Him now when comes to.
Speaker 1: Kind out, again.
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 1: Brought his friend to the. END i think that kid
Speaker 1: was a bolder. Maniac, actually, oh actually would. Be you
Speaker 1: could have been all he could have been a hulk,
Speaker 1: maniac as we know about the king Of. Hulkmania, michael
Speaker 1: thank you for. That so uh, wow thirty seventy, nine
Speaker 1: here he is. Lost another hulk. Maniac that's just greats just,
Speaker 1: so there's so much a rhythm to, it you, know so.
Speaker 1: Harmonious like what was he fucking? Thinking, honestly he was,
Speaker 1: thinking there's A uk that's gonna pay me to do an.
Speaker 1: Album that's what he's. Thinking but it's, like you, know
Speaker 1: it's like he's he's trying to Be Eric clapton writing
Speaker 1: that song about you know Is, yeah it's just, Dude,
Speaker 1: no all, right you can't holkster in heaven And i'll
Speaker 1: see you. Again another, hulk a. MEDIAC i know what
Speaker 1: music we're going to play at his? Vigil oh, god
Speaker 1: you know damn.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah But april, thirtieth here he is in the, paper
Speaker 1: The hulk versus The wrestling pro and the main event
Speaker 1: at every top of the. Bill look at his face
Speaker 1: there you can see. Him it's blonde, hair but the
Speaker 1: mustache is. Black that's. Alarming, yeah, listen his his his
Speaker 1: inability to decide what he looks. Like he's a real fucking.
Speaker 1: Problem all. Right he needs to. Choose you need to.
Speaker 1: Choose it's a, really really well put. Point how about, This,
Speaker 1: april pardon? Me it also looks like he looks like
Speaker 1: A i don't, know it looks like the photo you
Speaker 1: have when YOU'RE i don't. Know have you seen this?
Speaker 1: Man absolutely it does what that looks? Like Milk Carton
Speaker 1: about The may, third seventy nine clipping Here giants color
Speaker 1: in wrestling from The Panama City News. Herald, yes One
Speaker 1: giant and one Super giant will be in the local
Speaker 1: wrestling ring tonight when seven foot four Inch andre The
Speaker 1: giant teams up with Roy Lee welch in a tag
Speaker 1: team match with The hulk six Foot they're saying that
Speaker 1: Hul cogan is taller than under The. Giant. Correct, oh,
Speaker 1: no he said seven Foot, No i'm, sorry they said
Speaker 1: seven foot. FOUR i might have said six foot. Four
Speaker 1: they said seven foot. Four he is six foot, six my,
Speaker 1: bad and, wait hold, on excuse, me hold, On, OKAY
Speaker 1: i JUST i NEEDED i needed to sit up for
Speaker 1: a moment and like just lean in here to see
Speaker 1: IF i got this. Right, okay in a tag team,
Speaker 1: MATCH i go at the beginning, here One giant and
Speaker 1: one Super giant will be in the local wrestling ring
Speaker 1: tonight when seven foot four Inch under The giant teams
Speaker 1: up with Roy Lee welch in a tag team match
Speaker 1: against The hulk six foot six and weighing six hundred.
Speaker 1: Pounds that is. Six that must. Be that must mean
Speaker 1: the combination two and the no no he's because look
Speaker 1: it says The hulk six foot six and weighing six
Speaker 1: hundred pounds and The. Gladiator so they're Saying Hulk hogan
Speaker 1: weighs because here's and is the best part here at
Speaker 1: bowl Rescum, andre who was a headline attraction throughout the,
Speaker 1: country weighs four hundred and eighty four. Pounds so they're
Speaker 1: saying That Hulk hogan weighs more Than under The, giant
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pounds more Than under The. Giant
Speaker 1: did you know That Terry boley when he was In
Speaker 1: Gulf coast weighed six hundred pounds hundred, pounds yet somehow
Speaker 1: did not look like. YOKOZUNA i can't be. That that's
Speaker 1: like the pure laziness of the of these typos is
Speaker 1: really it's it's really. Bad six hundred pounds all, right
Speaker 1: whatever you, Say wait six for, six six hundred, pounds
Speaker 1: so you got a six six six is the fucking
Speaker 1: devil rights, Right it's a, level that's.
Speaker 3: All that.
Speaker 1: Was the guy taking dictation just heard six to six
Speaker 1: and then heard another six put out of the weight as. Well,
Speaker 1: UH i, mean so here he, IS i mean being
Speaker 1: listed and the same breath is under the. Giant that's
Speaker 1: on the day of nineteen seventy. Nine and to hear,
Speaker 1: a you, know run fuller tell. It it's not Like
Speaker 1: Terry bulea was full of all kinds of confidence getting
Speaker 1: this kind of attention and push this. Early he was
Speaker 1: kind of terrified about doing something wrong out. There AND
Speaker 1: i think we get quite a bit of a glimpse
Speaker 1: into how Quickly terry had to learn to find comfort and.
Speaker 3: Discomfort then the second match had the same rnswer in,
Speaker 3: it you, know that had shocked the studio audience a week,
Speaker 3: before and this time it was no. Different the studio
Speaker 3: crowd went silent as soon as they saw him come
Speaker 3: around the dressing room the door at the television. Station
Speaker 3: And Charlie platt told me later he was surprised that
Speaker 3: the crowd had to guts the pooh of the hook at,
Speaker 3: all even a little, bit he. Said and he, said
Speaker 3: because this was his SECOND tv, match they now knew
Speaker 3: he was a. Heel so a few of them did,
Speaker 3: booing you, Know and they said the others were so
Speaker 3: intimidated by him that they didn't even didn't react much
Speaker 3: to his. Match and the problem was they didn't get
Speaker 3: to see him but about half as much in the
Speaker 3: SECOND tv match as they did in the first, one
Speaker 3: because when the bell, Rang us just reached over and
Speaker 3: grabbed his opponent by the hair the back of his
Speaker 3: head and he ran him face first across the ring
Speaker 3: and into the turnbuckle so hard it knocked him. Out
Speaker 3: the guy went down on his, face didn't, move so
Speaker 3: then hopefully you know what's he going to do, then
Speaker 3: so you, Know huk just snatched him, up put him
Speaker 3: in the bear. Hug, anyway he just slung him around
Speaker 3: the guy's arms were just flying in the air and
Speaker 3: flailing around, wildly and the referee finally he gets the
Speaker 3: match stopped and rings the bell raises Hawk can in.
Speaker 3: SILENCE i, mean they don't even boo this, time you,
Speaker 3: know they're just the fans didn't know how to accept.
Speaker 3: Him he was such a he had such an impact on,
Speaker 3: fans and tag a little more impact for the first
Speaker 3: time in this. Match The hunk faced the cameras and
Speaker 3: he gave that very impressive trap shot that he was
Speaker 3: going to become so famous for in the. Future you,
Speaker 3: know he cranked those shoulders and arms out there and
Speaker 3: popped his traps up. There And charlie, said as soon
Speaker 3: as The huk disappeared in the dress, room the studio
Speaker 3: crowd started buzzing and probably had those people home did as.
Speaker 1: Well Wow.
Speaker 8: Wow so do you think The hulk came up with
Speaker 8: the trap shot on his?
Speaker 1: Own was that His?
Speaker 3: NO i got to feel the men that just went
Speaker 3: back to the booker, again To, louis To Leett terry
Speaker 3: was so young and so. Green he was terrified about
Speaker 3: maybe doing something. Wrong he was so concerned he was
Speaker 3: going to do something that we didn't want to, happen And.
Speaker 3: Wow and so it being That green was no, doubt you,
Speaker 3: know he was getting the fastest push any wrestler in
Speaker 3: history ever had in his first few. Matches it was
Speaker 3: unheard of to be winning your first matches in the
Speaker 3: ring ON. TV i, mean that just didn't happen anywhere
Speaker 3: in the. World it only happened because of his size
Speaker 3: of what he looked.
Speaker 11: Like see that really fascinats me because the studios that
Speaker 11: he was filmed. In, originally THIS tv Show Pardon, me
Speaker 11: was originated In, Dothan. Alabama so and that SAME tv
Speaker 11: show Correct me on, this it was also seen In,
Speaker 11: Montgomery mobile anyplace.
Speaker 3: Else, well later, on it's going to be seen In, Birmingham,
Speaker 3: Alabama it's going to be seen In, Mississippi it'll be
Speaker 3: seen back In. Tennessee, WOW i mean. It you know
Speaker 3: that it all emanates out of that SMALL wtv weis
Speaker 3: studio In, Bothan. Alabama.
Speaker 11: Yeah and so that's amazing THAT i was sitting there
Speaker 11: watching it that day when this, guy The hulk as
Speaker 11: we're calling him, now came on the. Scene and it's
Speaker 11: amazing to me to hear you talk about how green
Speaker 11: he was and he was afraid that he was going
Speaker 11: to mess something up because he was new to this.
Speaker 11: Business and then when you look at, him, well obviously
Speaker 11: during his, career just the word confidence is never. Doubted
Speaker 11: this guy just ruled everything that every ring he ever stepped.
Speaker 2: Into that's.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 11: LISTEN i saw quite a few of those EARLY tv
Speaker 11: matches in those, days but the ones that really got
Speaker 11: my attention was when he put the bear hug on
Speaker 11: some of them and this is.
Speaker 3: Weird they would start bleeding from the.
Speaker 8: Mouth, yeah.
Speaker 3: It, was so he was so, Green. Dave in order
Speaker 3: to really get him, over whether it was ON tv
Speaker 3: or in the, buildings we had to focus on just
Speaker 3: one move for him because he didn't do a whole
Speaker 3: lot of rustling, moves and that one move that he
Speaker 3: could do very well was the bear, hug, right you.
Speaker 3: Know and so when these wrestlers started bleeding from their,
Speaker 3: mouth that's when his persona really took. Off you, know
Speaker 3: people saw him put the barrel hug on him and
Speaker 3: the guys give, Up but when he squeezed them to
Speaker 3: the point that they bled from their, mouth that's what
Speaker 3: really made a. Difference then then that he became something
Speaker 3: more than just this, big huge. Guy he became somewhat
Speaker 3: a monster at that, point you, know and it not
Speaker 3: only did his persona take, off but so did The
Speaker 3: southeastern houses down, there you, know in that part of the.
Speaker 3: Country business just went. Crazy oh because.
Speaker 2: We saw him ON tv and he was like looking
Speaker 2: At andre The.
Speaker 11: Giant we'd never seen anything like that ON tv before
Speaker 11: as far as wrestling. Goes of, Course andrea was the
Speaker 11: Eighth wonder of the. World and then This hawk guy
Speaker 11: was like have you people were calling people on the,
Speaker 11: phone have you seen this? Guy and so then, oh
Speaker 11: he's going to be at a farm. Center he's going
Speaker 11: to Be holy. Cow so The hawk stuff is really
Speaker 11: amazing seeing how fast you guys made a monster out of.
Speaker 1: Him so that's that's really. Cool so, yeah the, blood you,
Speaker 1: know he's, squeezing, guys and the bleeding from the, mouth that's.
Speaker 1: Crazy that's. Crazy he's Just i'm okay with. That the
Speaker 1: guy put it, well like he owned every ring he
Speaker 1: was ever, In, like you got to work really hard
Speaker 1: to Make Terry belaya not seem like he's the brightest
Speaker 1: star in the. Room, yeah and what he doesn't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck he's doing in the, ring and that,
Speaker 1: uh or you gotta be The briscoes. Right, well to
Speaker 1: my way of, thinking that's why he was run out
Speaker 1: of town on a rail from From florida was because
Speaker 1: you Know dusty and having that it's a bit, better
Speaker 1: better to get him out of. Here but just man
Speaker 1: to be able to watch that, stuff as the co
Speaker 1: host clearly. Did what a fucking, Privilege what a privilege
Speaker 1: in retrospect it really is to be in that part
Speaker 1: of the country and to see to see him just
Speaker 1: finding his way. Around AND i love to this description of,
Speaker 1: like it's not just That hulk himself was, huge it
Speaker 1: was that he matched up With andre, physically and like
Speaker 1: you never you never thought of, That like you never
Speaker 1: thought of somebody right that would stand next To andrea
Speaker 1: and Make andre seem normal. Sized. Yep and it just
Speaker 1: it endlessly fascinates me that from the absolute very, Beginning,
Speaker 1: Yep terry Had andre The giant to thank for coming
Speaker 1: across as larger than. Life, yes from the first month
Speaker 1: in the, business because of the way circumstances turned, out
Speaker 1: and the fact That montreal Man Louis tilt had the
Speaker 1: Book good Knew andre well unbelievable set of circumstances, HERE i, mean,
Speaker 1: honestly you talk about laps there and seraen w you
Speaker 1: talk about the stars. LINING i, mean that's that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Here you, know that's this is this is The these
Speaker 1: are the, things the the intangibles that are happening to
Speaker 1: help make Hul cogan into Hul covid timing, elements you know.
Speaker 1: Exactly and what's so fascinating is that you read Both hulk's,
Speaker 1: books you Read andre's, books the books that have written About.
Speaker 1: Andrea you listen all the Interviews hulk did about coming
Speaker 1: up in the world and how much respect and deference
Speaker 1: he has For andre and how much he owes. Him,
Speaker 1: ever do they talk about this part of. Things, Nope
Speaker 1: hulk does, talk as we've, read about being in The
Speaker 1: Gulf coast territory and breaking in For Ron. Fuller does
Speaker 1: he once mention that he paths With andre The giant
Speaker 1: for the first time In? Alabama nary a. Mention why is?
Speaker 1: THAT i have to land on the explanation that they
Speaker 1: got so bought in to the idea that the McMahon's
Speaker 1: discovered the money dynamic between Putting Hulk cogan And andrea
Speaker 1: The giant in the ring together And New york was
Speaker 1: a big man's, territory and blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: that this just doesn't fit in the. Narrative it's just
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a. Place, well it's kind of funny
Speaker 1: because in, reality it really could have thought they could
Speaker 1: have easily made it. WORK i, mean how would you play?
Speaker 1: IT i mean just the, idea, like, like you, know
Speaker 1: how how great would it have been If andre cutting
Speaker 1: promos On hogan being again To WrestleMania, three SAYS i
Speaker 1: remember you you don't like to talk about, it but you,
Speaker 1: know like going into that, Ship, LIKE i think that
Speaker 1: would have been. CRAZY i think it would have added
Speaker 1: so much more depth to. It nothing they not the
Speaker 1: obviously look like they they sold out the fucking Silver
Speaker 1: master storytelling no, problem, Masterful but, LIKE i think adding
Speaker 1: that stuff just makes it even more. Legendary, YEAH i.
Speaker 1: Agree can you, imagine, Though Vince, junior in the frame
Speaker 1: of mind he had about himself and his position in the,
Speaker 1: world Having andrea acknowledged the existence of the state In,
Speaker 1: alabama let alone it was wrestling. TERRITORY i know he
Speaker 1: wouldn't Have he wouldn't even acknowledge that these two wrestled
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty and Fucking chase stating in the same company's. Dad, yeah,
Speaker 1: amazing and so in the lore Of Hogan, andre it
Speaker 1: has to start in nineteen eighty it can't start any.
Speaker 1: Earlier and they went kicking and screaming to acknowledging that
Speaker 1: they had wrestled. Before as anybody who was watching eighty
Speaker 1: seven knows that one of the huge parts of the
Speaker 1: presentation Was andrea was never defeated ever in, wrestling and
Speaker 1: he never Faced Hulk, hogan and now it's going to,
Speaker 1: happen and it's like. Bullshit he didn't Fa he is
Speaker 1: the first goddamn guy he ever. Saw, yep, exactly but
Speaker 1: he didn't. Know he's asked from The holy. GROUND i
Speaker 1: cannot believe that it worked out this way For Darry.
Speaker 1: Boley it's fucking. Amazing but the fact that it's radio
Speaker 1: silence about this ever, happening and the only reason we
Speaker 1: know about it is that for some reason that This
Speaker 1: Wrestling gold vhs that got released found the footage of
Speaker 1: the Arm Wrestling angle and distributed it in stores to
Speaker 1: try to sell. Tapes that's like the only reason it's.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable it REALLY i just can't say it to myself
Speaker 1: enough and come to terms with. IT i just can't accept.
Speaker 1: That we Get hogan figuring out that he's money With
Speaker 1: andrea in his first month back in the. Business so
Speaker 1: here's a bit more tantalizing and frustrating descriptions of what
Speaker 1: this television looked and felt. Like here is from the
Speaker 1: Studcast Ron fuller Describing Billy, spears the manager To Hulk,
Speaker 1: hogan and what they called the personality profile, segment which is,
Speaker 1: basically let's go to the desk and do an interview
Speaker 1: instead of go to the ring and watch a. Match
Speaker 1: And hulk is introduced to the studio audience And. Dolphin
Speaker 1: he is accompanied by two other charges Of Billy, spears
Speaker 1: the tag team champions of The, Territory Rip tyler And Eddie.
Speaker 1: Sullivan so folks are going to start to get to
Speaker 1: know The hulk as a presence and as a protegee
Speaker 1: as a client Of Billy.
Speaker 3: Spears spears sat down With. Charlie he had his two
Speaker 3: tag champions behind, him they had their belts, on and
Speaker 3: then he had his mask gladiator standing with them and
Speaker 3: they bragged about his, men you, know the guys that
Speaker 3: he already had standing behind him his two champions and
Speaker 3: his gladiator that was soon going to be a champion.
Speaker 3: Himself and then out of, nowhere he hadn't been doing thirty.
Speaker 3: Seconds he just changed the subject, entirely and he basically
Speaker 3: said the three of, Them he, said, oge thank you
Speaker 3: guys for coming out with, me and goes for this
Speaker 3: triumph a, moment but, uh you, know basically insulted all
Speaker 3: three of them, then but he, says young going back
Speaker 3: to the dressing, room he, says Because i'm about to
Speaker 3: introduce my lady's. Acquisition so the three wrestlers they looked
Speaker 3: at each. Other, man they had no, idea, like what's
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 1: Here who is?
Speaker 3: There what are you talking? About and then so and
Speaker 3: then you know they probably knowing spears. Though they just
Speaker 3: went on to the dressing.
Speaker 1: Room and.
Speaker 3: Then billy got out of his, chair you, know and
Speaker 3: he dug down deep in his pants pocket, man and
Speaker 3: he pulled out a lot of. Money. Man you, know
Speaker 3: he didn't say what it, was but it, was you,
Speaker 3: know it was a handful of this, time and it
Speaker 3: was far beyond what he'd ever given the other, guys you,
Speaker 3: know and he'd given away some pretty decent money to
Speaker 3: his tag team. Guys so then it was you, know
Speaker 3: then he was acting like he was The master's ceremony
Speaker 3: and he's had a at a circus, man and he
Speaker 3: was going to introduce the almighty himself. Man and he
Speaker 3: raised his voice up and he, SAYS i have found
Speaker 3: the greatest rastro on the planet and the man that's
Speaker 3: going to take me to the Promised land WHEN i
Speaker 3: become the manager of the next world Heavyweight. Champion what you.
Speaker 4: Know so.
Speaker 3: Wow they looked around at the two sets of bleachers
Speaker 3: next to they were full of, fans and he, said
Speaker 3: get up to, them stand up to honor this. Moment
Speaker 3: obviously they just, booed, right nobody got. Up they just
Speaker 3: started to boo. Him and then he introduced his so
Speaker 3: called next world Evyweight, Champion Sterling, golden The Sterling, Golden Sterling,
Speaker 3: Golden sterling. Golden and you know he that was the
Speaker 3: word the first time anybody heard of him is Earning.
Speaker 3: Golden SO hk came out of the dressing room door
Speaker 3: on the far side of the. Studio obviously there's a
Speaker 3: monitor back, there and when he gets, it when he
Speaker 3: Sees billy dig into his pants and bring out that
Speaker 3: wad of. Money, Boy and so it comes out of
Speaker 3: the studio the dressing. Room he's smiling from here to.
Speaker 3: Here Man and while the booze, intensified he comes over
Speaker 3: and he grabs A billy and he gives him a big,
Speaker 3: hug you, Know and and Then billy starts to sit.
Speaker 3: Down The cooch's going to walk around to stand behind
Speaker 3: him like the other guy's, work but the huk stops.
Speaker 3: Him he grabs him by his jacket there, right and
Speaker 3: he spends him around and he sticks out his. Head
Speaker 3: billy still got the, money and he's.
Speaker 1: Head.
Speaker 3: Oh billy, goes oh, yeah. Yeah he puts a handful
Speaker 3: of money in the oaks and the oak's hand and you,
Speaker 3: know and that's not everything about this relationship between those, two,
Speaker 3: obviously this says all about. Money, well Then charlie's first
Speaker 3: question was where did you come? Up where did you
Speaker 3: come up with that? Name Sterling goldan From? Billy you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i never heard anybody call him. Dad and he,
Speaker 3: says you, know, well he, Says, charlie because because this
Speaker 3: man is pure silver and, Gold sterling for the silver
Speaker 3: and obviously golden for the. Gold oh my, god he,
Speaker 3: said he, said he, said this man is going to change,
Speaker 3: everything especially you, know and he, said he, says And
Speaker 3: i'm going to change. Him he, goes especially his sweet
Speaker 3: attitude in the. Ring he, goes he needs to be a.
Speaker 3: Monster he, Goes i'm going to make a monster sensation
Speaker 3: out of. Him i'm going to lead this guy to
Speaker 3: The World Resting championship And i'm going to take that.
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Speaker 1: So Now hulk is A gun For. Hire ye the
Speaker 1: Way Ron fuller was describing in his very first in studio,
Speaker 1: Appearances Terry, boleo while running someone over like a destructive,
Speaker 1: heel was not doing it in a way where he
Speaker 1: was playing up the fact that he was like this
Speaker 1: monster and this bad. Guy you couldn't really tell was
Speaker 1: he doing this for good or was he doing this for?
Speaker 1: Evil he was, dominating so there was kind of a,
Speaker 1: silence a hush that fell over the. Crowd but here
Speaker 1: When Billy spears digs into his pocket on an episode Of,
Speaker 1: southeastern pulls out the Big wad And Terry boulder Or
Speaker 1: sterling The Hulk. Golden in case you weren't confused, enough
Speaker 1: he was also apparently Called sterling The Hulk. Golden yeah
Speaker 1: THAT i. KNOW i, MEAN i knew that with that
Speaker 1: from the from the NEWSPAPERS i. Researched, yep he comes
Speaker 1: out and accepts the. MONEY i. KNOW i always thought
Speaker 1: it's either The, Hulk Terry boulder Or Sterling, golden Not
Speaker 1: sterling The Hulk, golden or just The hulk for that,
Speaker 1: matter or just The. Hulk So Billy spears has paid him,
Speaker 1: off and he said the, words he allowed himself to
Speaker 1: utter the Words the next heavyweight champion of the, World
Speaker 1: Terry boleya is back in the business for a, month
Speaker 1: and the top manager In southeastern is on television saying
Speaker 1: he's a future world heavyweight. Champion, yep you're not ready to.
Speaker 1: Accept how Early Terry boleya was portrayed to the wrestling,
Speaker 1: fans even in the limited reach Of Gulf coast as
Speaker 1: a massive. Deal there was no period where he was
Speaker 1: just such a, greenhorn wet behind the, ears flailing, around
Speaker 1: no idea what he's doing the way The florida guys
Speaker 1: want you to think about. It, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: No he was money money from the. Beginning. DEAL i
Speaker 1: mean it just shs to show you too like, that you.
Speaker 1: KNOW i mean sometimes a look can really open that
Speaker 1: door for. You, Absolutely sometimes a lot of the time
Speaker 1: it always opens. It it's a question of tenu to
Speaker 1: do something with. It, yeah and he had the. Instincts
Speaker 1: he sure. Did he was showman for the. Music from
Speaker 1: a lifetime of watching pro, wrestling from observing these, guys
Speaker 1: from figuring out all, Right Superstar, Graham Dusty. RHODES i
Speaker 1: can see what makes, them you, know, COOK i can
Speaker 1: see what makes them stand. Out it's all. There so
Speaker 1: he wrestles later on that, show Does terry Roy lee
Speaker 1: Welch this was a cousin Of Ron fuller kind of
Speaker 1: felt like he wanted to give this hulk a better.
Speaker 1: Opponent remembers this has been kind of the third time
Speaker 1: on television For Terry. Bulan he won with a bear.
Speaker 1: Hug it gets a little confusing BECAUSE i think sometimes
Speaker 1: they taped multiple televisions in one, day so it's like
Speaker 1: the same, day but it's his second and third and FOURTH.
Speaker 1: Tv so, afterwards here's how that post match situation played.
Speaker 3: Out, then the last match on THIS tv was going
Speaker 3: to change, everything So Southeastern rustling And Southeastern Gulf coast as. Well,
Speaker 3: Man So Sterling golden was up against my Cousin Roy
Speaker 3: Lee welch And, louis AND i wanted to give The
Speaker 3: huk a much better opponent than he'd been. Having this
Speaker 3: was only his third time ON tv and he had
Speaker 3: won two matches with his Bird. Hug but it was
Speaker 3: very obvious the personality profile has done his, Job, man
Speaker 3: because when The hulk came out With Billy spears out
Speaker 3: of the dressing room for this last match and edit
Speaker 3: for the, ring there was no doubt anymore about the
Speaker 3: fans from the fans, anyway about who The huk was
Speaker 3: and what he was all. About and you could have
Speaker 3: heard that crowd in the studio Booing Man Downtown, DOTHAN
Speaker 3: i maan while they were really all of a, sudden
Speaker 3: The huk is a heel and there ain't no doubt about. It,
Speaker 3: wow so for the first time in A huk, match
Speaker 3: he actually showed signs of being almost. HUMAN i, Mean
Speaker 3: roy actually threw a couple of punches and he he
Speaker 3: almost got him, staggering. Right, so but it was the
Speaker 3: end of the match man that left everybody in that
Speaker 3: studio and all of them at home, Too i'm, sure
Speaker 3: and All hulk was finally able to Get roy in
Speaker 3: his barehood and and he got him to give, up
Speaker 3: just like he had the first two. Opponents and then
Speaker 3: when he got the, victory he Dropped roy to the
Speaker 3: mat and he just started to leave the ring like
Speaker 3: he had done. Before But billy jumps up in the
Speaker 3: ring and he stops him when he gets the ropes
Speaker 3: and he, says, no go get him, finishing get him,
Speaker 3: again put him in it. Again and so The hulk,
Speaker 3: hesitated you. Know but his new, manager he's got a
Speaker 3: handful of money, already you, know so he so he went.
Speaker 3: Back he picked Up Roy royce laying on the, Mat
Speaker 3: he picked him, up he put him in back into
Speaker 3: the bare hud went and the boy put that vice
Speaker 3: grip on him and uh and he started squeezing him. Again,
Speaker 3: well the referee tried to stop him with spears and
Speaker 3: nay on the ref from. Behind he knocked him down
Speaker 3: and kicked him till he went out onto the. Floor and,
Speaker 3: uh and then he just went right in The hawk's
Speaker 3: face and squeezing. Harder he was really he was really
Speaker 3: really pushing, it and the studio crowd was, screaming man
Speaker 3: for somebody to come in and Help. Roy. Uh, So
Speaker 3: roy's head at this point was hanging over The hawk's. Shoulder,
Speaker 3: man his arms were dangling down by his. Side he
Speaker 3: was basically out of.
Speaker 1: Him he was.
Speaker 3: Unconscious and then all of a, sudden, man blood started
Speaker 3: streaming From boy's mouth and it ran down The hulk's.
Speaker 3: BACK tv got a close up of it with blood
Speaker 3: coming out of his mouth and was running down The
Speaker 3: hawk's back and instead of that crowd they were going crazy,
Speaker 3: booing and they went dead. Silent and uh it was
Speaker 3: a sign, man and that basically things had gone too. Far,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah maybe, so So i'm. There you, Know roy's my.
Speaker 3: Cousin SO i was the first guy to hit the,
Speaker 3: ring AND i hadn't been seen In dothan for almost
Speaker 3: six weeks since the world title defense Against Harley, race
Speaker 3: which is about six weeks. Earlier nobody KNEW i was,
Speaker 3: there you, know and the studio. Exploded as soon AS
Speaker 3: i could hit the, Ring holk, Drop roy and Hen
Speaker 3: spears headed for the dressing. Room they didn't make any
Speaker 3: attempt to do anything to, me but you, know it
Speaker 3: was it. Was it was pretty pretty heavy duty deal.
Speaker 1: Heavy, duty. INDEED i mean you got the top baby
Speaker 1: face run to Save hulk and to Save roy From.
Speaker 1: Hulk and the way they used to do it was
Speaker 1: they grabbed a, syringe drew some blood from the, arm
Speaker 1: put it into a condom so you could bite down
Speaker 1: on it When hulk put, you so that you could
Speaker 1: start running real. Blood not that's so, gross that's what he.
Speaker 1: Said that is. VILE i, Mean i've heard of the.
Speaker 1: Condom i've never heard of drawing the blood from someone's actual.
Speaker 1: Veins that's so fucking beyond. Them what we're gonna. Do
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna draw blood from this guy over.
Speaker 1: Here we're gonna put in the, Cold we're gonna put
Speaker 1: in your. MOUTH i guess this is pre, ades, huh
Speaker 1: like holy?
Speaker 2: Ship, YES.
Speaker 1: I want you to bathe in the two for that.
Speaker 1: Matter we're gonna we're gonna draw a, bath and he
Speaker 1: would blood draw, blood, bath draw your, blood draw some,
Speaker 1: money draw, bath draw a. House instead of taking months
Speaker 1: to Bill halt to draw, money they had to do this.
Speaker 1: Quickly so they're putting him in there with the cousin
Speaker 1: Of Ron, fuller bear hugging him till he's, bloody And
Speaker 1: Ron fuller, HIMSELF i mean this is A it's, like you,
Speaker 1: Know i'm not gonna Say Ron fuller was the biggest
Speaker 1: stupor star in the, world but like for like it's
Speaker 1: kind of Like Bruno San martino running in to, say,
Speaker 1: HEY i mean, Right i'm gonna say this is this
Speaker 1: is uh, uh you, know he's the big star of
Speaker 1: the of the of the of the. Territory so it's
Speaker 1: a big. Deal and as he, mentioned he was coming
Speaker 1: Off Ron fuller was a, legit you, know sellout world
Speaker 1: title match Against Harley. Race of course was nwable to
Speaker 1: do you a, champion so he was being h the
Speaker 1: last time they had Seen Ron, fuller he was going
Speaker 1: for the glory Of, alabama no question about. It so
Speaker 1: he is he is that. Guy and then the next,
Speaker 1: Match terry has is again with the Aforementioned Herb, calvert
Speaker 1: the The shooter and the veteran of the of the.
Speaker 1: Circuit and here is the description how that went.
Speaker 3: Down. Lewis he later told me that when The hook
Speaker 3: And Billy spears went to the, ring he, said didn't
Speaker 3: just happen To, mobile but it happened in every city
Speaker 3: ron that had seen THIS, tv he, said if they
Speaker 3: saw THE, tv he, said when they went to the,
Speaker 3: ring he, said the crowds went. Crazy, man they'd seen
Speaker 3: them standing in booing. Them he. Said they heat was
Speaker 3: unbelievable from that one television. Experience and he also said
Speaker 3: when they left the ring In mobile After, SPEARS i
Speaker 3: got in the match and hog Beat Curb calvert with
Speaker 3: his bear hood again like he had done the week.
Speaker 3: Before H louis said that all the policemen in the
Speaker 3: building had to escort him back to the dressing, room
Speaker 3: even though it was just the third match on the
Speaker 3: card and it was only the second time The hulk
Speaker 3: had been in that. Building, no so that kind of
Speaker 3: heat that fast was extremely. Rare man for a third
Speaker 3: match on a six match, card for fans to react that,
Speaker 3: way maybe That sterling golden name was going to come.
Speaker 1: True, yeah he'd be, golden all, Right, yeah you're damn. Right,
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean To Bloody Royley welch like. That the
Speaker 1: next time he comes to the, arena they're they're. Rioting turn's.
Speaker 1: Crazy they want his fucking. Scalp, tremendous. Tremendous that's how
Speaker 1: you do. Business that's how you, say all, right we're
Speaker 1: not gonna pussy foot around. Here this guy could be.
Speaker 1: It let's give it our all and see if it,
Speaker 1: works instead of sitting around try to figure out reasons
Speaker 1: not to, try which is precisely what happened In. FLORIDA
Speaker 1: i have. Decided and so, yeah the next time he
Speaker 1: gets out, there the heat is. Undeniable this guy's catching
Speaker 1: on as somebody that the fans are going to really
Speaker 1: want to see get his and so now we're starting
Speaker 1: to get some. Magic now it's starting to come. Together Come,
Speaker 1: April halt's moving up the card And Ron fuller himself
Speaker 1: is going to be Facing hulk for the first. Time and,
Speaker 1: again his legacy in the area goes back so, Far
Speaker 1: Gulf coast, area back to the, fifties The welch, family
Speaker 1: and he went onto the, set Did Ron, fuller and
Speaker 1: he's talking With Charlie platt about representing the family against
Speaker 1: this hulk because they watched the tape of his, Cousin
Speaker 1: Royley welch gets squeezed to death and he was in
Speaker 1: tears practically witnessing this scene and they didn't they actually
Speaker 1: didn't Say, interestingly he makes this. Point Royley welch was
Speaker 1: presented as like a, friend somebody That Ron fuller, respected
Speaker 1: But Ron fuller didn't use his real last, Name welch
Speaker 1: On Gulf coast tell, right so they did not acknowledge
Speaker 1: that they were family at this point in. Time it's so. Weird,
Speaker 1: yeah was kind of. Weird but the sensitivity was if
Speaker 1: everyone knew that his name Was Roten, welch they would,
Speaker 1: know based on government, records that he was the owner
Speaker 1: of the, territory and that was a big no. No
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be the big, babyface you did not
Speaker 1: want the fans to know that you actually owned and
Speaker 1: operated the whole thing and were you, know puppeteering. Everything
Speaker 1: you didn't want that you, Want, yeah because the babyface
Speaker 1: has to be someone who overcomes, circumstances you, know someone
Speaker 1: who has to lobby and fight for opportunity and prove,
Speaker 1: himself not someone who can hand himself opportunity because he
Speaker 1: runs the. Organization so that was always always a problem
Speaker 1: when you had wrestlers owning the. Territories as they had to,
Speaker 1: go they had to put the promotion in somebody else's
Speaker 1: name often is often how it, worked so that nobody
Speaker 1: would know that they actually owned the whole. Thing and
Speaker 1: you certainly can't go on television and, say that's the
Speaker 1: guy with the last Name welch is my family. Member all.
Speaker 1: Right so Here's Ron stud talking about about the Fallow
Speaker 1: ron The Tennessee Stud. Fuller yes it's, Confused, Yes tennessee.
Speaker 1: Stutters His Midnight rider is like the masked version of,
Speaker 1: them oh for. Sure and here he was talking about
Speaker 1: all the fallout from The Roy welch thing and how
Speaker 1: he addressed it on television and got the. Fans really
Speaker 1: is how you hook people in those. Days man invested
Speaker 1: in this emotional story of how he's got to avenge
Speaker 1: what happened To Roy.
Speaker 3: Lee man's got a big pop from the. Crowd man
Speaker 3: before it even, STARTED i hadn't wrestled on THE tv
Speaker 3: there in, months AND i was certainly not expected to
Speaker 3: be in the. Ring so for the first time ever
Speaker 3: on the upcoming, cards. TOO i was in the main
Speaker 3: event and all three of those major cities against The,
Speaker 3: hope and there wasn't much time left in the show
Speaker 3: at this, point AND i was trying to get a
Speaker 3: quick victory before the show. Ended AND i dropped kicked
Speaker 3: The guide AND i jerked him up and threw him
Speaker 3: over my, shoulder ran across the ring and gave him
Speaker 3: a power, slam and referee was about to start to
Speaker 3: count him, out and all of a, sudden here comes
Speaker 3: To Hopkins pears into the. Ring Now i'm on the
Speaker 3: top of the. GUY i don't even see him until
Speaker 3: they're in the, ring and so the studio, exploded and you,
Speaker 3: Know huk stamped me in the. Back he picked me
Speaker 3: up and he got me in a full, nelson And
Speaker 3: Billy spears took a wild swing at my head AND
Speaker 3: i bent forward and he hit The huk, Instead so
Speaker 3: So hunk went. Down he wasn't Expecting spears to hit.
Speaker 3: Him and THEN i got my hands around spears, throat
Speaker 3: and all of a, sudden The, gladiator now another guy
Speaker 3: comes into the, ring and SO i Dropped. SPEARS i
Speaker 3: see the gladiator coming AND i nail him AND i
Speaker 3: go down on him, Man i'm trying to put his lights.
Speaker 3: OUT i was getting him with some good shots and,
Speaker 3: down you, KNOW i got two guys behind my. BACK
Speaker 3: i don't see Either hok or the other Or, spears
Speaker 3: And hope kicks me in the back and he picked
Speaker 3: me up and he put me in his bare. Hut
Speaker 3: man studio was going wild at this, point and thene
Speaker 3: of all people that came into the ring Was. Lester
Speaker 3: and you, know when he hit the, ring he went
Speaker 3: straight to The hulk and he hit him in the
Speaker 3: back and the hug dropped me and he turned around
Speaker 3: and he Grabbed lester in the bare. Hug so then
Speaker 3: The gladiator And, spears, uh they both got.
Speaker 1: Me you.
Speaker 3: Know you know the cook was. Strong, wow he's unbelievably,
Speaker 3: Strong so you know when he dropped, me they had
Speaker 3: plenty times then to start putting the boots on. Me
Speaker 3: lester was still in the bear hug from the, hug
Speaker 3: and for the second time in two, weeks, man somebody
Speaker 3: was bleeding from the mouth and there was another welch,
Speaker 3: wow and the blood started running From lester's mouth and
Speaker 3: it ran down The huk's. Back SO i kind of
Speaker 3: felt my weight to my feet and the spears and.
Speaker 3: Gladiator they took off quick as they, could Nailed hulk
Speaker 3: in the. Back he Dropped lester and he headed for
Speaker 3: the dressing. Room AND i had just Sent leicester upright
Speaker 3: because he was starting to Choke man to keep him from.
Speaker 3: Choking bud was still running out of his. Mouth The
Speaker 3: Novelle Riggy, Fields Terry, Lakeam Herb, calvert all those guys
Speaker 3: came to ring to kind of help me get lesser
Speaker 3: out of.
Speaker 1: Her So hulk is now bear hugged the grand old
Speaker 1: man of the. Territory, okay this would be like Putting
Speaker 1: jess McMahon in the bear hug in the. Garden it's
Speaker 1: just WHAT i don't. Understand what do you THINK i,
Speaker 1: mean as long as they're pushing them. Hard oh my,
Speaker 1: god you, know it's just a it's a little you,
Speaker 1: know Fucking jabron coming, in going all the way right,
Speaker 1: away And Ron fuller is going to bring it home
Speaker 1: on the. Stick he walks over To Charlie platt's area
Speaker 1: for the.
Speaker 3: PROMO i said With charlie the time was running out
Speaker 3: on the show AND i wanted to say something about all,
Speaker 3: this SO i verbally tore himTo spears and his, men
Speaker 3: especially The, Hulk and uh you, KNOW i, said you,
Speaker 3: know this big son of a, GUN i, said he's
Speaker 3: been running a rough shot over wrestler's ear ever since he.
Speaker 3: Came and, uh you, KNOW i said that, now, man
Speaker 3: he's going to be for the first, time looking eye to,
Speaker 3: eye had his opponent Because i'm his, Size i'm his,
Speaker 3: height And i'm down there his, size and you, know
Speaker 3: AND i, said he may be an opponent that's famous
Speaker 3: for squeezing the blood out of wrestler's But i'm famous
Speaker 3: for breaking their. Legs so the, studio you, know they
Speaker 3: had stopped screaming it's a whole conspirasht the, ring and
Speaker 3: by this point they were louder than. Ever. Man so
Speaker 3: the show closed out with me screaming To charlie the
Speaker 3: spears of the whole you better get you some crutches
Speaker 3: because he's going to need.
Speaker 1: Them why CAN'T i hear the? Promo why CAN'T i
Speaker 1: see the? Promo this Is Ron fuller Making hulkogan a
Speaker 1: superstar on traditional territorial wrestling, television AND i can't hear
Speaker 1: it and feel it in experience because it didn't. Happen fucking,
Speaker 1: hell it didn't. Happen what do you mean it didn't? Happen,
Speaker 1: well how do we want? Happen we have to trust
Speaker 1: this guy's fucking. Stories who says he's? Reliable, hm you
Speaker 1: know we're taking this guy for his. WORD i don't
Speaker 1: know his. WORD i don't know who he. Is as
Speaker 1: far AS i, know Hul cogan was created By vin
Speaker 1: Sick man and they. Ain't no one else can prove
Speaker 1: otherwise each. Boss so, There Ron fuller Ship, WOW i said.
Speaker 1: It he went ahead and said. It folks on the
Speaker 1: Complete Hulk Hogan Ron fuller Ship wow mobile out with the.
Speaker 1: Files show me the fucking. Files, okay well release the,
Speaker 1: release release The alabama. Files you will release THE bam
Speaker 1: release THE bama. Files you. Won't that's. Right i'm, On?
Speaker 1: Ron where are the? Tapes don't? Exist never, Happened? Ron,
Speaker 1: never it's not Even.
Speaker 2: Ron how do we know?
Speaker 1: That how do we know It's Ron? Fuller? Oh hulk
Speaker 1: never talked about any of this. Stuff you find me
Speaker 1: one instance Where hulks talking about exactly putting the squeeze
Speaker 1: on On Lester welch to get over On alabama television
Speaker 1: when talking about using the bear HUG i, said we,
Speaker 1: start why should He after that fiery. Promo five nights,
Speaker 1: Later Mobile, alabama It's Ron fuller versus The, hulk and my,
Speaker 1: god does he nail. It, finally The hulk's going to
Speaker 1: face someone he sees eye to eyeways leveraging the, height
Speaker 1: which is. Key you're bringing a big guy like, That
Speaker 1: the key is to find someone else big to oppose.
Speaker 1: Him that's who the money. Is and now we have,
Speaker 1: it and we have the first glimpse of what happens
Speaker 1: when a giant Faces. Hulk people want to see. It
Speaker 1: and only his fourth match Run fuller faces The.
Speaker 3: Hulk after we're, watching after the fans And mobile watching
Speaker 3: THAT tv, Show That mobile crowd was. Electric, wow and
Speaker 3: didn't didn't they? Did they were already fired up before
Speaker 3: they rang the bell for the. Match so THEN I
Speaker 3: hope and the. Spears they had tremendous. Heat, man after
Speaker 3: Both lester And roy had been bleeding from the mouth
Speaker 3: two straight TVs in a, row this match was so, Easy.
Speaker 3: Gosh the crowd was on its feet for every bit of.
Speaker 3: It and it didn't last long BEFORE i got my
Speaker 3: toe hold on, Him man on The, hulk and well
Speaker 3: the roof came off the Old expo hall and spears
Speaker 3: charged man into the ring too intentionally get his man,
Speaker 3: disqualified but he also wanted to get me off his
Speaker 3: leg BEFORE i could do some real damage to. Him
Speaker 3: SO i got back up and AND i Backed billy
Speaker 3: into a corner AND i started to work on his. Butt,
Speaker 3: man and here comes the gladiator kind of like ON.
Speaker 3: TV i don't know where, again and then the og
Speaker 3: nails me from behind and they all three started working on,
Speaker 3: me so as mobile crowds. Did man when something like this,
Speaker 3: happened all of a, sudden the sitting in their, seats
Speaker 3: and they seemed, like all of a, sudden you couldn't
Speaker 3: step out of the. Ring the whole crowd came to
Speaker 3: the ring AND uh AND i and then thank, GOODNESS
Speaker 3: i don't know, where here Comes Roy. LEE. Uh And
Speaker 3: Roy lee had been in the dressing room all, night
Speaker 3: nobody was knew he was even in the. Building and
Speaker 3: while when he got in the ring and he started
Speaker 3: to help me out with his total mayhem at that,
Speaker 3: point SO i fought my way up with the roy
Speaker 3: AND uh and the. Heels all three of those guys
Speaker 3: hit the. FLOOR uh and the boy the police were so.
Speaker 3: Good they were so accustomed to what the problems we
Speaker 3: had In mobile that as soon as these guys hit the,
Speaker 3: floor they surrounded them and they fought their way as
Speaker 3: usual back to the dressing.
Speaker 1: Room, wow absolute. Mayhem the people want to See hulk
Speaker 1: get his And Billy spears get his five weeks in
Speaker 1: a Row ron stud works With Hulk. Helgen they needed
Speaker 1: to make the, guy that's the. Thing they didn't have a,
Speaker 1: choice Right AND i.
Speaker 3: Was, wrestling obviously against The hulk and just about every
Speaker 3: one of these five weeks For, cards about five weeks
Speaker 3: in a row and spending almost all of my time
Speaker 3: down there in The Gulf Coast territory trying to basically
Speaker 3: help The hulk improve as a wrestler as fast as
Speaker 3: possible because he was getting over so. Good we were
Speaker 3: going to push him as much as we, could and
Speaker 3: obviously if he got over, good that's going to help
Speaker 3: the territory to start growing. Again you, know we were
Speaker 3: kind of down. Here we lost all those guys To,
Speaker 3: memphis and The hulk single handedly with me and some
Speaker 3: really good workers are going to be able to try
Speaker 3: to bring this. Back in all of our early, matches
Speaker 3: meaning the ONES i had against. HIM i led. HIM
Speaker 3: i called the. SPOTS i led the matches like the heel.
Speaker 3: Would but even THOUGH i was the baby, face AND
Speaker 3: i called the spots to make him look good WHENEVER i,
Speaker 3: could to give him an idea and uh and basically
Speaker 3: some on the job training about what to, do how to,
Speaker 3: do how to do it AND u and when to do,
Speaker 3: it which is even maybe more important than how to do.
Speaker 3: It so the ind the ring training was followed up
Speaker 3: basically every night in the dressing. Room after the, match
Speaker 3: we sat, down the two of, us and we had
Speaker 3: these long sessions of continued repetition about you, know this and, that,
Speaker 3: uh the critiquing of the. Match we talked about you,
Speaker 3: know we talked about making sure that the mistakes that
Speaker 3: he made were discussed and, uh and that he learned
Speaker 3: how to cure, them what to do to cure, them
Speaker 3: and along with, that what could we have done better
Speaker 3: to have an even better?
Speaker 1: Match?
Speaker 3: Uh and and at this point in his, CAREER i
Speaker 3: Found terry to be a very good student of the.
Speaker 3: SPORT i, MEAN, uh had a great. Attitude and after he,
Speaker 3: left you, know, uh as time went, BY i, mean
Speaker 3: after he moved on to other territories and later on
Speaker 3: when he went to w W f and, uh you
Speaker 3: know the other, territories big Territorys. Uh he was. Smart
Speaker 3: he created a lot of unique ways to get himself.
Speaker 3: Over yeah he.
Speaker 1: DID MM i CAN i can't deal with. This it's
Speaker 1: it really. Is it's IT'S i don't know how to describe.
Speaker 1: IT i didn't have room in my head for this preamble. Career, no, no,
Speaker 1: no he Does rocky And vern runs with. It that's. Right,
Speaker 1: no a whole fucking, career walks them through a series
Speaker 1: of matches and sits down with it afterwards and breaks
Speaker 1: down where he can improve and realizes that guy actually
Speaker 1: has quite a bit of spark and an understanding of
Speaker 1: innateally how to get himself over and what he brings
Speaker 1: to the. Table, buller what it brings it out of?
Speaker 1: Him who's? Talking? Who we're about to find? Out you're
Speaker 1: talking to? You you're gonna be talking To Charlie. Platt
Speaker 1: on the set In, dothan they're watching the match Back
Speaker 1: Ron fuller versus The, hulk and they show The hulk
Speaker 1: And Billy spears and The gladiators all Jumping Ron fuller
Speaker 1: And Roy welch makes the save and there's a tag
Speaker 1: Against hulkin the gladiator managed By, spears And platt Says
Speaker 1: we're never going to show that footage again of Poor
Speaker 1: Lester welch bleeding from the mouth and the clutches Of
Speaker 1: Terry Boulders Bear huck And spears on the plat set
Speaker 1: With hulk behind. Him you got to picture, THIS i,
Speaker 1: mean this is like every giant, ever. Right you got
Speaker 1: the manager in the foreground screaming into the, mic and
Speaker 1: behind him The hulk is so big and wide that
Speaker 1: he almost Subsumes Billy spears an entire profile behind, him glide, wide,
Speaker 1: glide like he's blocking the, sun you, know like he's
Speaker 1: blocking the. Sun and Again Billy spears refers To hulk
Speaker 1: His hulk as future NW wa. Champion, yes, yes And
Speaker 1: Billy spears boss has added two new guys to his.
Speaker 1: Stable welcome to the. Territory The samoans unfucking. Believable only
Speaker 1: did they work the road. Together hulk was In billy
Speaker 1: Spears heel stable with The samoans in nineteen seventy nine Versus,
Speaker 1: smoans as mentioned living In. Pensacola later, on there's a
Speaker 1: double as qualification as The hul team With gladiator And
Speaker 1: Billy spears and thought that the dressing room Against welch
Speaker 1: And Roy Ron fuller And Royy. Welch at this, Point
Speaker 1: hulk was all wrestling fans in that part of the
Speaker 1: country talked. About according To Ron, fuller all they talked
Speaker 1: about was The, hulk and they didn't, know they didn't
Speaker 1: know what they were. Watching can you imagine going to
Speaker 1: the building and there's all this buzz in just your
Speaker 1: little area about This hulk Guy, no and it's, like,
Speaker 1: yeh my, god it's like six years before everyone in
Speaker 1: the country is. Talking it's like that That. Hulk can
Speaker 1: imagine being one of those fans from those three cities
Speaker 1: there are. There there's the only a handful that knew him.
Speaker 1: Before and, AGAIN i want TO i want to talk
Speaker 1: to them if they're still. Alive must. Know maybe the
Speaker 1: best we can do is if you go back into
Speaker 1: Your alabama, Folder, boss to take a good look at
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine dash oh, five dash oh. Four
Speaker 1: so these are a couple OF us screen grabs From
Speaker 1: facebook courtesy of the home he, met where people From
Speaker 1: alabama were commenting on threads About hulk's days As, Wow
Speaker 1: harry The Hulk boulder in that part of the. Country
Speaker 1: they're they're an article written About hogan's beginnings In dothan
Speaker 1: after his, passing and, yeah here are fans saying things
Speaker 1: LIKE i believe he. WAS i believe he was tearing
Speaker 1: A Hulk boulder when he wrestled here in Oath, Well.
Speaker 1: DAVY i could be, wrong BUT i think he was
Speaker 1: Just Terry boulder back. Then now he was he, WAS
Speaker 1: i ref he, WAS i. REF i don't know his
Speaker 1: first match was In. Dothan, oh you, know, well this
Speaker 1: is really. Cool do you happen to remember anyone he
Speaker 1: might have wrestled during that time In dothan beside his
Speaker 1: famous matches With andre Against andre And? Harley thanks so.
Speaker 1: MUCH i Remembered terry The Hawk boulder when from him
Speaker 1: wrestling In Dothan Farm center and In New. Brockton he
Speaker 1: actually asked me, out but of COURSE i decline SINCE
Speaker 1: i was already. Married Bro one, date, dude, brother you
Speaker 1: want to go to? Date, DUDE i live in a. Van,
Speaker 1: dude want to come see my? VAN i live ON
Speaker 1: i live in a mobile. Van, sorry, MEN i live
Speaker 1: in a van in MOBILE i canna drive around beach to. Beach,
Speaker 1: well you know your house stationary. Brother you, Know hope was.
Speaker 1: Poor but you have to say technically when he when
Speaker 1: he stayed With David, schultz he was the first guy
Speaker 1: to have a mobile phone in the. Business good. Point so,
Speaker 1: yeah of course he's asking women out in the. Area
Speaker 1: of course he Is Bill Bill cappel that he wished Back,
Speaker 1: Alabama Gallon. Satla you know you know he damn well
Speaker 1: did he want instead of an L a? Girl he
Speaker 1: wanted an A l. Girl now that's a Cool, now
Speaker 1: that is a cool. Story do you remember anyone Met
Speaker 1: terry The Huk Boulder Wrestling dothan Or New. Brock's guy's
Speaker 1: fucking going crazy for this. Ship he was somebody to
Speaker 1: turn this guy into the. Studcast stat's like he won't get. Me,
Speaker 1: GODDAMN i didn't know who he. Wrestled sounds like sounds
Speaker 1: like us cannone tell me who he?
Speaker 8: Wrestled And New, brockton.
Speaker 1: Goddamn and enough of what we shout outside of The
Speaker 1: dothan studio into any open window we can. Find and
Speaker 1: his autobiography he, states and not, QUOTE i wrested all
Speaker 1: over the world And the one place that always weirded
Speaker 1: me out was doath In. ALABAMA i, mean he's not.
Speaker 1: Wrong oh, fuck when your locals don't take, offense that's
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Hyah he did Rastionlate Houston County Farm center washed.
Speaker 1: Him hold, On oh My, god washed. Him Hold andrew
Speaker 1: The giant enter up off the. Mat he fucking, right
Speaker 1: the sixty Pound andrew The giant watched. Him Hold andrew
Speaker 1: The giant up the matt and a bear. Hug can
Speaker 1: we take a? Second can we take a? Second, Ye
Speaker 1: andrew The, giant The. Giant how has that one never?
Speaker 1: HAPPENED i don't even know. How we've never fucking said
Speaker 1: that through the. Charms it's like, work does? It it's
Speaker 1: not at. All something tells me the Eighth wonder of
Speaker 1: The world is not Named Andrew Andy andy The giant
Speaker 1: and The giant first Saw i'm AT hcfc WHEN i
Speaker 1: used to take my grandma to watch wrestling. There he
Speaker 1: was a very nice. Guy my grandma had her picture
Speaker 1: taking with. Him he actually wrestled my daddy back in the. Seventies.
Speaker 1: Lol It's britney Mack. Mills here we, Go here we.
Speaker 1: Go hold on a, Second Bill. Capple that's really interesting
Speaker 1: to see who wrestled whule kviing in the early. Days
Speaker 1: if you don't mind me, asking what was your dad's
Speaker 1: ring name back? Then thanks so, Much jared did he
Speaker 1: even sat with his cool dude with his cool dude
Speaker 1: at the waffle house WHEN i was about, six must. Fantastically,
Speaker 1: YEAH i. WAS i was at The dose The doathan,
Speaker 1: match SAYS. R. A. YATES i was at The dothan.
Speaker 1: Match we arrived very. Early it sold out and people
Speaker 1: try to watch through the glass. DOORS i stood near
Speaker 1: a dressing room at the end of the. Bleachers he
Speaker 1: walked right by me and as he walked to the
Speaker 1: ring a big. Man W Tv why wrestling was was
Speaker 1: a special time with The, Freebirds Jimmy, Fuller Norville austin
Speaker 1: And international Heart Throb Austin. IDOL i didn't mention the
Speaker 1: Free birds started there. Too let's, Yeah Terry, GORDY i
Speaker 1: Remember terry The. HULK i would go down Doath And
Speaker 1: Farm saturday For Friday, night been to W Tv why
Speaker 1: On saturday afternoon for The shadowagne and then to the
Speaker 1: New Brockton Farm center On saturday. Night that's when wrestling
Speaker 1: was more of a spot with some show. Boating, yeah,
Speaker 1: okay Than marie Uh terry what the plays Called gary's
Speaker 1: On Hartford highway And. DOTHAN i used to spot for,
Speaker 1: him biggest, MAN i have us. ALL i feel like he's,
Speaker 1: missing you know. RIGHT i feel like it's a FUCKING
Speaker 1: i feel like it's like a lawn order episode and
Speaker 1: people are fucking like asking questions around these people doing
Speaker 1: doing dockwork and stuff, like oh, Yeah terror was out
Speaker 1: of now terrible Place gary's, Gym well spot him a
Speaker 1: couple of, times could be doing dock working about a,
Speaker 1: year that's. Right and they sometimes stopped The Jim steakhouse
Speaker 1: And marianna back. Things it Is Jim, steaks all, right all,
Speaker 1: Right Gem's steakhouse the gym he worked out. In, YEP
Speaker 1: i guess we have to go back To. Alabama, wow
Speaker 1: good stuff there steak. House and there's. More BUT i,
Speaker 1: OKAY i thought that was the last. One, NO i
Speaker 1: NEED i just need to find out. This let's bring
Speaker 1: the whole thing to a screeching halt until we see
Speaker 1: the potatoes all. Grotten all, right all, right this is
Speaker 1: oh it's a oh, yes this is it's a gym's
Speaker 1: buffet and. Grill, NOW i guess In, Marianna, Florida. Florida, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah let's see they give Me is there a? Menu? Please?
Speaker 1: Ah here we.
Speaker 8: Go.
Speaker 1: Menu what do we? Got what do we? Got let's. See,
Speaker 1: oh they have beef, dinners the fourteen ounce ribbi uh
Speaker 1: tens twenty ounce no ten Ounce rabbi seafood, Dinners Happy
Speaker 1: meal for the, family which is a nine piece chicken,
Speaker 1: meal six piece pork chopped, meal six piece country fry beef.
Speaker 1: Steak of course a country fry beef. Cake but that
Speaker 1: would be. Different that was really. STUPID i saw him.
Speaker 1: Again It's Harley Race, austin not a interfere by taking
Speaker 1: a picture with flash cube with Flash Cube coston Costing
Speaker 1: bowld the. Match what's flash cube to? That trust? Me
Speaker 1: what's a flash? Cube get? There you know? What it's
Speaker 1: a real thing at Flash cube called it.
Speaker 7: That BUT.
Speaker 1: I remember Him Thoughtingma John Farm, Center Washington Wrestle Harley
Speaker 1: race to the world title at Rip Hugh. Stadium we
Speaker 1: took my husband's daddy to see you and went and
Speaker 1: for the very first show In, Dothan, alabama daddy's husband's
Speaker 1: daddy to see him for the very first show In, Dothan,
Speaker 1: alabama Show Pulk wrestler. Exactly so we want to talk
Speaker 1: To Tammy hilms. Here we gotta get her on the
Speaker 1: fucking horn. Boy saw him back in the day at
Speaker 1: The New Brocton Farm, center saw him In New. Brockton
Speaker 1: that's it. Unreal they're out there and they're taking A
Speaker 1: facebook to. Reflect oh, wait, sorry well there's this. One
Speaker 1: this is. Yet oh, okay this is the next one
Speaker 1: you're looking. At, yeah, yeah, yeah we'll get that, right
Speaker 1: because we're.
Speaker 8: Not to The.
Speaker 1: Hulk we're not to The andre match. Yet hulk was
Speaker 1: still working Against Ron fuller and they had a match
Speaker 1: where to, Win hulk had to use his Bear hug
Speaker 1: And fuller had to use the figure four leg, lock
Speaker 1: or he didn't call it the figure, four it was
Speaker 1: just a light. Lock. Yeah they do a personality profile
Speaker 1: on television where it's like tell us About hulk and wrestling,
Speaker 1: him And Ron fuller talks about how strong The hulk
Speaker 1: is and how the bear hug could crush your bones
Speaker 1: and how rare these types of submission matches, are like
Speaker 1: we're having the one coming. Up, Hey, Brett Brett austin.
Speaker 1: MUCH i, mean, yeah, right you have to use your hold.
Speaker 1: Though that's the. Thing it's not submit by any. Means
Speaker 1: you had to submit him with, wow your. Hold hulk
Speaker 1: been wrestling ON tv every week and so people are
Speaker 1: getting accustomed to his offensive, arsenal in particular the bear.
Speaker 1: Hug and then suddenly there's there's a hint of a
Speaker 1: bit of a dispute with the, Manager Billy, spears and
Speaker 1: the story begins to take some, well let's, say pardon
Speaker 1: upun some fuller. Shape here's The tennessee.
Speaker 3: Stud so The hook was back ON tv, again and
Speaker 3: and he'd been wrestling on EVERY tv show since he
Speaker 3: got there except for the very last. Week and for
Speaker 3: this time he did something that was really different that
Speaker 3: he had never done. Before he had a little dispute
Speaker 3: with his, Manager Billy, spears you know. Who billy had
Speaker 3: him announced As Sterling, golden but the Big, man and you,
Speaker 3: know he went straight over the announcer and he told
Speaker 3: him to call Me terry the Hug. Boat.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, basically there's this big guy man who has
Speaker 3: just been following everybody's suggestion and keeping his mouth. Shut
Speaker 3: for the first time in his, career he did something
Speaker 3: on his. Own you, know nobody told him do. That
Speaker 3: he just went over and, Said, hey that's not WHO
Speaker 3: i want to be, called call Me. Terry the whole boat.
Speaker 3: Wow the guy introduced, him the natural introduced him. Again
Speaker 3: SO i was pretty, UH i was pretty impressed by.
Speaker 3: THAT i, said you, know this kid's got a, son
Speaker 3: he's got some ump to. Him So spears obviously was
Speaker 3: a little bit upset by, it but he didn't push
Speaker 3: it too, far you, Know AND i think that A
Speaker 3: hoak made a gesture to him to like get out
Speaker 3: on the, floor, right get out of the. Ring oh you,
Speaker 3: know there's a little thuming going on now Between oak And.
Speaker 3: Spears so Then hoak made his opponent give up in
Speaker 3: the barreug and when he, did he dropped him. Immediately
Speaker 3: he wasn't going to hurt. Him and Then spears jumped
Speaker 3: back up in the ring and he made him pick
Speaker 3: up the guy and put him in the bar ug
Speaker 3: again after he'd already beat him right, Right so you,
Speaker 3: know and obviously it looked Like spears Wanted oak to
Speaker 3: make him bleed from the wow like he had Done
Speaker 3: roy And, leicester both The, welches you, Know and SO
Speaker 3: i wasn't going to allow. THAT i ran in the
Speaker 3: ring And terry And spears they headed for the dressing.
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Speaker 1: Soo so we have the first hint of a potential, babyface,
Speaker 1: yes And Terry. Bowler he's taking a stand Against Billy.
Speaker 1: Spears and that's a time tested pro wrestling, angle right
Speaker 1: where the heel that's managed by the overbearing heel manager eventually.
Speaker 1: Right andre did this with With heenan AND wwf. Yep
Speaker 1: so it's starting to build and they're starting to already
Speaker 1: even just like a month, in start kicking. Around what
Speaker 1: it looks like at this guy is actually. Babyface so
Speaker 1: we continue. Forward he has these three on one handicap
Speaker 1: matches and the such and so before we get to
Speaker 1: The andre, STUFF i want to skip ahead a little bit.
Speaker 1: Now this match that we're about to. Watch if you
Speaker 1: can configure your your folder, there we're gonna jump. Forward
Speaker 1: this actually does take place after The andre. Things you're
Speaker 1: gonna see The andre, thing but you keep you keep it,
Speaker 1: moving and we're gonna. Go we're gonna go to let
Speaker 1: me see how far in it? Is is it a?
Speaker 1: Tag is it a? Wait is it five seventy? Nine
Speaker 1: so at some point A vhs comes out Called Tag
Speaker 1: Team Title, wave but it has Hal cochin wrestling in
Speaker 1: a non tag team match In Gulf. Coast BUT i
Speaker 1: get the tape is mostly made up Of Gulf coast
Speaker 1: AND i think some unreleased In memphis as. Well and
Speaker 1: so here is, uh here's our first glimpse you're gonna
Speaker 1: get you get to feel, it and if you want
Speaker 1: to find it on, YouTube it's easy to, find ye
Speaker 1: of What Terry boley looked like in the ring in
Speaker 1: this territory and uh in a classic sort of example
Speaker 1: of you, know the muscleman style that he was. Doing
Speaker 1: so are we? Ready? Yes start from the? Beginning oh
Speaker 1: yeah on my one, okay three two one voting playing
Speaker 1: play get ready? Folks oh that's crackling, Hum oh, yeah it's.
Speaker 2: There it.
Speaker 1: Is in, fact There's Parker films three g home video
Speaker 1: there he is flexing those huge biceps with a blue
Speaker 1: singlet's still In Terry.
Speaker 6: Bolea, Oh welcome to another edition of The World's Greatest wrestling.
Speaker 6: Series on this, series we featured a madness some of
Speaker 6: the most awesome and punishing wrestling actions you've ever. Witnessed
Speaker 6: Randy Macho, Man savage, Ravishing Rick, rude the.
Speaker 1: Anvil they're rock and roll. Expressions sell as much as
Speaker 1: they can off the.
Speaker 7: Guys fuss just uncovered from the vaults of private. Collectors
Speaker 7: private collectors of carry The Hulk. Boulder that's, Right Hulk
Speaker 7: holgan against The.
Speaker 1: Outlaw let's go with the private. Collection where's that private?
Speaker 1: Look oh, shit all that WAS i just FUCKING i
Speaker 1: hit the wrong damn. Button, here pause for a. Second
Speaker 1: what's your time? Code go back to one. Eleven, actually
Speaker 1: let's start. THERE i want people to observe and listen
Speaker 1: to the transition when he actually goes to the ring
Speaker 1: and you hear you just see how big he is
Speaker 1: and how he's. Introduced are you? Ready all? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Three two? One play against The.
Speaker 7: Outlaw let's go right to the.
Speaker 1: Action look At Holy ship.
Speaker 5: Five pounds From, Tampa.
Speaker 8: Florida terry The Hawk.
Speaker 1: Boader wow started getting. Cheers the, hair the hair is, parted.
Speaker 1: Golden he's blue, pads blue sing. Up it's sterling as.
Speaker 1: Well someone said this might be the sizes fucking. CLOWN
Speaker 1: i don't think it's, telebitch the.
Speaker 3: Uncrowned did you hear that?
Speaker 1: Uncrowned we're gonna find out they need of his colored? Elbow, gone,
Speaker 1: oh look at, that just fucking tosses him down like a.
Speaker 1: Bitch push you weight by.
Speaker 3: Bowler i'll say one thing About Jerry.
Speaker 1: Boulder he broke all attendant records and both In alabama
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago and he broke all. ATTENDANCE i
Speaker 1: don't know is? That is that a real impressive? Thing
Speaker 1: breaking records and do thirty seven? Seconds he held that
Speaker 1: title talking About wow for the deep. Slam hogan's, going, no,
Speaker 1: no you're not gonna slam this guy.
Speaker 3: Wow questioning about his.
Speaker 1: Slam look at. Him the hair is really fluffy. Too
Speaker 1: it's not. Thin it is now thinning on the. Top but,
Speaker 1: yes it looks on the sides like he would make
Speaker 1: it very soft.
Speaker 3: Hair.
Speaker 1: Wow looksty thing really was? This is he's much more
Speaker 1: advanced that he was in fucking in That florida training.
Speaker 1: Footage he's, like he looks probably some of his most
Speaker 1: intensive over seeing big whip and there's the bear. Hut,
Speaker 1: whoa look at that he's got. That that's. Right charlie's
Speaker 1: got a bag left to right Like marlene In. China, right, yeah.
Speaker 8: He's.
Speaker 1: Dead oh my, god look at the. FANS i, mean
Speaker 1: that was. It that's. Wild what just go, ahead, impressions
Speaker 1: you've seen. Them it's just it's it's seeing him in
Speaker 1: THE i don't Think i've ever seen him that early,
Speaker 1: on and he looks he looks. Phenomenal, honestly he's in great,
Speaker 1: shape and he looks he looks, tough he looks. Threatening,
Speaker 1: right that's. KEY i can't you, KNOW i can't think
Speaker 1: of a, time you, know it's certainly not in my,
Speaker 1: uh sweet and warm and fuzzy period where he felt.
Speaker 1: Threatening and that's and AND i mean like physically aggressively,
Speaker 1: threatening not just not like this guy. Alive, yeah. Exactly it's.
Speaker 1: Wild it's quite a way to get introduced to this
Speaker 1: guy instead of the way we got introduced to him
Speaker 1: as young hul comaniacs after the whole the cake had been.
Speaker 1: Baked you, know those those those twenty people in THAT
Speaker 1: tv studio cheering him on or oh yeah at the absolute.
Speaker 1: Vanguard So fuller continues to work With Terry, boulder including
Speaker 1: The april twenty third show In. Montgomery this is the
Speaker 1: one where you could win by submission. Only Ron fuller
Speaker 1: recalls it being a great match with people into, it
Speaker 1: And terry still a, heel kept leaving the ring Whenever
Speaker 1: Ron fuller would go for his leg lock because uh
Speaker 1: uh oh some trauma, there boss, right, yes, exactly And
Speaker 1: i'm trying to not get caught in the hold. Brother,
Speaker 1: Finally Terry boulder collides with the ref And fuller gets
Speaker 1: the toe hold on in the. Middle Billy spears hits
Speaker 1: the ring with the referee down And fuller on his
Speaker 1: back and The hulk screaming that he was giving, up
Speaker 1: but there's no referee to hear. Him Billy spears had
Speaker 1: a loaded fist and Knock Ron fuller. Out he got
Speaker 1: The hulk, Up hulk put the bear hug, On spears
Speaker 1: left the, Ring referee, recovered Raised fuller's arm three, times
Speaker 1: ring the. Bell terry The Huke boulder Squeezes Ron fuller to.
Speaker 1: Death he raises his hand in. Victory spears And hulk
Speaker 1: had to fight their way via police to the back
Speaker 1: to the dressing, room and they came back with a
Speaker 1: lumberjack match this, time the idea being That hulk can't
Speaker 1: run out of the ring like he did When Ron
Speaker 1: fuller was threatening with the leg lock and keep you.
Speaker 1: Out he showed, something Run fuller, says by doing something
Speaker 1: he wasn't told to. Do uh in the, match he
Speaker 1: had good sensibilities and a good feeling for the, sport
Speaker 1: AND i knew right, away Run fuller, said this guy
Speaker 1: is going to be big time by the end Of.
Speaker 1: April he's Working montgomery against The wrestling pro and the
Speaker 1: territory brings in IN Wa World Heavyweight Champion Harley race
Speaker 1: for the first time Since Terry bolea arrived in The
Speaker 1: Gulf coast. Territory so that's going to make for an interesting,
Speaker 1: mix oh for, sure and lead to comments like we
Speaker 1: just heard about How Terry boleya was referred to On
Speaker 1: Gulf Coast Television Southeastern television as the Uncrowned World Heavyweight
Speaker 1: champion in his first fucking two months three months in the.
Speaker 1: Business and here Comes Andre, insane here Comes, Andres As
Speaker 1: hulk said to a book that ww came out with
Speaker 1: About andre The, giant including commentary from people that wrestled
Speaker 1: them from all over the. World hulk, said WHEN i
Speaker 1: first got into the, business in my, MIND i THOUGHT
Speaker 1: i could get as big As. Andre, yeah he even
Speaker 1: told the newspapers he was. Right, apparently apparently he can
Speaker 1: weigh more Than. ANDRE i wasn't. STUPID i KNEW i
Speaker 1: could never be seven foot. FOUR i just thought that
Speaker 1: in the wrestling BUSINESS i could be so big people
Speaker 1: would just believe, Everything, like even if you Beat, andre
Speaker 1: nobody really believe that he was so. Big so that
Speaker 1: was my goal to be the, biggest STRONGEST i could,
Speaker 1: be and hopefully be more impressive Than. Andre and along
Speaker 1: with that came my, verbiage and that was a direct
Speaker 1: threat To. Andre, yeah as far As ron stud could,
Speaker 1: assess he knew what he. Needed he knew what he.
Speaker 1: Needed he needed a guy that was. Big because If
Speaker 1: hull could now destroyed, him the tallest guy in the
Speaker 1: territory and really the biggest guy in the, territory not
Speaker 1: from a star buyer, perspective but a literal height and mass,
Speaker 1: perspective where do you go from? There if he's already
Speaker 1: Squashed Ron, fuller where are you going to turn To
Speaker 1: boss to find someone that can match the stature of
Speaker 1: This terry The Hulk. Boulder, well who's the man for the?
Speaker 1: Job all one of?
Speaker 2: Us?
Speaker 1: Are are you all down?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 3: Are?
Speaker 1: MEG i come the golf, Coast, oh the golf coast
Speaker 1: of The. STROLL i know we've been doing a lot
Speaker 1: of COMPLETE i know we, have but can you believe
Speaker 1: we're already talking About Hulk cogan Versus andre The? Giant? No,
Speaker 1: NO I i figured we had another couple of months
Speaker 1: before we got. There and here's, Why Ron fuller speaking to.
Speaker 3: It, Well Louis man and Both louie AND i were
Speaker 3: pleased with with His star Of. Recruit that's What i'll call,
Speaker 3: HIM i guess so was the name we'd given. Him
Speaker 3: And terry had a great, Attitude he had a great
Speaker 3: desire to learn as fast as, possible and Both low
Speaker 3: AND i recognized early on That terry's height and his
Speaker 3: huge body was going to make it difficult for him
Speaker 3: to wrestle just any you, know anybody, basically and certainly
Speaker 3: for smaller, guys so other than me at six feet,
Speaker 3: nine he was going to be looking down at almost every.
Speaker 3: Opponent he is about six, Eight so In may in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy, nine he was about as far as long
Speaker 3: AS i was going to be able to take. HIM
Speaker 3: i couldn't keep wrestling him every. Week that's What i've
Speaker 3: been doing now for about four, weeks and the upcoming
Speaker 3: card that we'll be talking about later was the fourth
Speaker 3: straight week That i'd wrestle against. Him so he was
Speaker 3: going to need someone else his size soon to work,
Speaker 3: with and we'd already begun to discuss who in the
Speaker 3: sport was close to his size and available as soon as.
Speaker 3: Possible somebody had to replace, me and one name we
Speaker 3: both liked Was Ox, baker but he wasn't available soon
Speaker 3: enough for. Us it was going to be a little
Speaker 3: wild Before ox could get. There so the person that
Speaker 3: we discussed Was Perfect, man and he was a wrestler
Speaker 3: that also needed someonet closer to his size to have
Speaker 3: a competitive. Match So lewis was From, Montreal, canada and
Speaker 3: they had a close relationship with the most recognized wrestler
Speaker 3: in the world back in those days and maybe still,
Speaker 3: Today andre The, giant and they ad met years earlier
Speaker 3: In montreal When andrea arrived there From. France so due
Speaker 3: to that, connection Now andre was somewhat. Available he was
Speaker 3: going to be easy for us to think get down
Speaker 3: there into The Gulf. Coast SO i also had a
Speaker 3: very good relationship With. Andre he'd been in the territory
Speaker 3: match since four years. Earlier he had been in Both
Speaker 3: southeastern territories at this. Point and but just as, IMPORTANT
Speaker 3: i also had a good relationship with the guy that
Speaker 3: booked him, man and that Was, vincement the owner of
Speaker 3: THE wwf.
Speaker 1: Territory He'd Ron fuller had wrestled For Vince senior IN
Speaker 1: wwwf in nineteen seventy, three And vince was back on
Speaker 1: HIS nwa good graces at that point in, time so
Speaker 1: he'd See Vince senior at THE nwa. Convention you, know
Speaker 1: it wasn't rare to have guys like A Rick flair
Speaker 1: Or ted De biassi who were working for other N
Speaker 1: wa territories to work In Madison Square garden here or.
Speaker 1: There that's. Right we know this this is around the
Speaker 1: time we played it earlier in the Complete Hulic coogan
Speaker 1: that they did The Superstar Billy graham Versus Harley Race
Speaker 1: champion Versus champion Super bowl match at The Orange. Bowl
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of co, promotion a lot of cooperation. Going,
Speaker 1: Yeah super Super bowl of all the, leagues all the
Speaker 1: leagues been a fan of that other version of That Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl we needed a big. Guy and how about that
Speaker 1: if Ox baker was, available maybe we wouldn't have gotten this. Early,
Speaker 1: WOW i, know right Proto Hogan andre. Action but the
Speaker 1: pieces were, there the connections were, right And, louis to let,
Speaker 1: it already talked To andrea About hogan being a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for him and a perfect.
Speaker 3: Opponent So andre The giant and the Future hug were
Speaker 3: an obvious natural fit for each. Other louis had already
Speaker 3: talked To andrea about his new talent that we had
Speaker 3: and that he was huge Like andrea and a perfect
Speaker 3: fit for him as an. Opponent And i'd also talked
Speaker 3: To Vince senior at this point about someone knew THAT
Speaker 3: i had in my territory there was a perfect fit For.
Speaker 3: Andre so basically a deal was made between me And.
Speaker 3: Vince Obviously andre was going to be a part of,
Speaker 3: it and it was going to Put andre In, Dothan,
Speaker 3: alabama On friday, Night may the, fourth nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 3: for a three day. Stay and That may the, fourth
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine, Afternoon terry The Huge boat Or Sterling
Speaker 3: golden or you, know whatever name he, wanted and they
Speaker 3: had a bunch of them at this, point you, know
Speaker 3: they wanted to you, know The terry rode with me
Speaker 3: over To Louis tilled's home In, dothan And andre was waiting.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yes so it was In Southeastern resting on The
Speaker 3: may the, fourth nineteen seventy nine that for the first,
Speaker 3: Time andre To johan And Huk hogan laid eyes on each.
Speaker 1: Other, huh that's wild face to. Face you think of
Speaker 1: The WrestleMania three video jacket cover With hulk And andrea
Speaker 1: and that iconic face. Off quite a different story in
Speaker 1: the spring of seventy nine In, alabama Where terry The
Speaker 1: Hulk Boulder greeness can Be. Greeness The hulk himself walks
Speaker 1: into a room and first makes eye contact with the
Speaker 1: guy that he would draw the most money with and
Speaker 1: just take the business to a higher level than anyone
Speaker 1: ever thought possible with That pontiac silver domin eighty, Seven
Speaker 1: let the echo of eighty, Seven let the echoes of
Speaker 1: our pilgrimage to The Pontiac silver. Nomes, yes, indeed begin
Speaker 1: let us go to the. Route the next, time on
Speaker 1: the Complete Hull, cogan we go to the very First
Speaker 1: Hull cogan Versus andre The giant. Match this anouncement as.
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