WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:05.480 Remaining alive. Man like this man letting butterfly, flaven and wing. 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:06.799 They've down in the forest. 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:09.599 Man, it gonna cause a tree fall, letting five thousand 4 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:10.279 miles away. 5 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:17.399 Man, you nobody see. Nobody else might see that. You 6 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.679 don't need no man, don't like you call another story 7 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:22.960 and you got bacted like that. 8 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.559 That was man got black and dag on the panic 9 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:36.960 man matter manka all right, So somewhat similar to the 10 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.159 episode with Kevin, this will be a shorter monologue. As 11 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:44.799 I said before, I've been traveling right for political stuff, 12 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.200 and so it's gonna take a little bit for the 13 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:51.920 shock to allow me more time. Uh, monologues take more 14 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:53.359 time than you'd think. I have to kind of outline 15 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:57.840 my thoughts, and I got in at eleven o'clock yesterday 16 00:00:57.880 --> 00:00:59.320 evening just wrapped. 17 00:00:59.079 --> 00:00:59.840 Up with Pete. 18 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:02.520 Will be a little shorter than normal. But as I've said, 19 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.680 I went to the Old Glory Club OGC, big event 20 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:10.760 right once a year, and as someone who's gone to 21 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.760 more and more of these political conferences as times, as 22 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:17.200 time has advanced, I just want to say it is 23 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:22.000 the premiere dissident event, distant political conference. 24 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:22.359 Right. 25 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:25.200 A lot of great guys there. It's a ton of fun, 26 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:29.079 both on a political level, you know, hearing interesting ideas, 27 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:32.799 hearing new thoughts, making connections, but also it's just a blast. 28 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.840 And because it's such a blast, I am somewhat the 29 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:40.120 worse for wear, So I won't keep you too long. 30 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:43.319 If you want to support me, a few bucks a month, Patreon, 31 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.719 substack or gum Road gets heat access to the episode 32 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.599 early in ad free you're gonna start check out our sponsor, 33 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.519 Axios Remote Fitness and Coaching. And without further ado, here's 34 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.680 Pete Quinontas. All right, Pete, welcome back to the jay 35 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:57.120 Birds Show. 36 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:59.519 How you doing? Man? Oh good man, it's like I 37 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:01.359 haven't seen in a while. Yeah. 38 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.480 Yeah, So to cut to the chase, you, me and 39 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.599 a whole bunch of the other American and also foreign 40 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.879 right wingers were out at the annual OGC conference, and 41 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:13.400 so I thought i'd do a little bit of an 42 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:17.159 after action report right, kind of going over it because 43 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.639 most of your favorites were there, people in the organization 44 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.039 and people outside of it, and you and I have 45 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.879 been going to these things for a while now. I 46 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.599 think it's my fourth in a row, and so yeah, 47 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:31.439 i'd be curious to get your initial thoughts. 48 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:35.240 Be much more laid back than years past, only because 49 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.520 the way you had it set up was less speakers 50 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:44.719 this year, so there was more time for socializing. Actually 51 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:49.479 canceled some things so that people could socialize. Yeah, it 52 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:51.879 was a good time. And you know, having people who 53 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:54.919 you know, came in front out of the country, and 54 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.000 you know, having people like Peter Brimola there and his 55 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.280 son who I got to spend a lot of time 56 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:05.400 with and talked to, and other people like that, it was. 57 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:08.599 It was cool. You know, some people had to dip 58 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:12.240 in speak and dip out, and you know that always sucks. 59 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:17.240 But yeah, no, it was I thought it. I would 60 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:18.960 say the only reason I thought it was better than 61 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.280 last year was just because there was more free times 62 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:22.240 to socialize. 63 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.479 Yeah, I mean that was I think my takeaway as well, 64 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.759 which is, look like there's a huge benefit to sort 65 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.879 of rallying behind the flag, right that that can't be overstated. 66 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:37.719 And honestly, some of the other talks were incredibly informational. Weirdly, 67 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:42.080 we had sort of competing slightly competing views on Strauss 68 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:46.000 and got two very high brow kind of philosophical talks. 69 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.680 Ron Dodgson, a regular on both your show and mine, 70 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.039 did a really interesting presentation on it, which like, Okay, sure, 71 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.919 you know it's not as directly applicable as you know, 72 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.800 a workshop or something, but it's really interesting stuff. And 73 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:05.319 I agree your your general view of it that the socializing, 74 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.360 the meeting and greeting thing is huge, because, look, you know, 75 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:10.599 some of it is you know guys like you know, 76 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.800 Harry Robinson, who I've been a fan of over the internet. 77 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.040 He and I have done content together and you get 78 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.279 this feeling like, oh, I bet I'd get along well 79 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.839 with that guy, And after you spend two days together, 80 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:23.079 you're like, eh, this guy's great. You know, we have 81 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:26.600 developed a sort of friendship and a camaraderie that is really 82 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.439 important because one of the big sort of themes that 83 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.600 came out in these talks was like, how do we 84 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.959 solve all of this sort of online bs, the sort 85 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.319 of fractionalism, the infighting, and the conclusion that many speakers 86 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.720 offered and was sort of proven by the event itself, 87 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.680 is so much of that falls away in real life. Look, 88 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.319 there are notable exceptions, we don't need to get into it, 89 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.519 but when you're across the table from some guy. When 90 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.839 you're sharing drinks together, when you're sharing food together, you realize, 91 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.759 I mean, look, man, we're on the same side here. 92 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.600 That sort of friend ship, that sort of social bond, 93 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.399 it's really important, especially because look, we are both tied 94 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.839 to the Internet and sort of victims of it. 95 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:09.399 Right. 96 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:13.000 The Internet clearly drives people insane and pushes them into bizarre, 97 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:16.399 radical opinions. And so I was thinking the whole weekend 98 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:20.439 of the line Dave coined years ago, the purpose of 99 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:22.480 the Internet is not to win the Internet, you know, 100 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.040 it's not to gather the most clout. And I think 101 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.199 that one of the things that these these sort of 102 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:33.560 gatherings really accomplish is to be honest, quashing these kind 103 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.800 of beefs and putting a face to you know, the 104 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.959 profile picture. Now it's not you know, some guy you 105 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.519 may be mutuals with. It's a friend, it's a brother. 106 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.079 And Okay, that sounds stupid, because internet drama is stupid. 107 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.560 But look, Pete, you've been around for long enough to 108 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:55.920 see that completely kill institutions just kind of devolve into infighting. 109 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.199 And one last point and then I'll kick it back 110 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:02.040 to you. It's always interesting getting outside views on the 111 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:06.439 ogc our project because generally, and okay, of course we're 112 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.680 asking them, so they're going to be polite, but the 113 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.759 feedback is incredibly positive. I'm not looking to speak for him, 114 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:17.240 but Brimolo is incredibly incredibly encouraged by what he saw. 115 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.360 Someone who's been in the space forever. God rest his soul. 116 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:22.680 But z Man had very similar things to say a 117 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.360 year ago. And you know, in that time there have 118 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:30.600 been you know, certain difficult patches, but the organization has 119 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.759 grown and seeming the quality is staying similar, and that's 120 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.040 an encouraging thing to see someone who is not drinking 121 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.959 the kool aid say that there's something positive going on. 122 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.959 Yeah, just to bring up z Man, before I hosted 123 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.079 a panel that was kind of an off the cuff 124 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.920 thing of you want to host a panel kind of thing, 125 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:55.160 put something together, you know, Redrock asked me to tost 126 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.639 z Man. And remember that he was there last year 127 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:00.639 and he walked away from there like yeah, I gotta 128 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.800 I gotta get involved with us, and he was dead, 129 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:07.519 you know, four or five weeks later, so you know, 130 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.879 we honored him. I think the one thing that really 131 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.040 helped this was that it's invite. We've gotten to the 132 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.680 point where it's just invite only, you know, the people 133 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.399 we want there who are from inside, inside the club 134 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.319 and out are the ones who are going to be there, 135 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:25.120 and it's not people who, you know, people who may 136 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.160 be there to infiltrate, could possibly be there cause problems 137 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.319 which we've never really had. So but you know, still 138 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.720 as as we be, as we continue to grow, we 139 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:39.639 see more lore being spun up about us outside of 140 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:44.480 the outside of the you know, the group, because you know, 141 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:48.199 people who are completely terminally online and you know, may 142 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.560 not be married or you know, just basically don't have 143 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.040 a life apparently just want to sit there and make 144 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.439 shit up about us or listen to people who may 145 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.399 not be in the club anymore who make shit up 146 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.279 about us who you know, and then they just tend 147 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.639 to believe that because somebody told me that on the internet. 148 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.519 But once you do get face to face with people, 149 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.720 and you know, there are going to be times when 150 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:17.680 you when people's personalities just are not going to be 151 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:25.040 able to connect, and there'll be disagreements about certain opinions, 152 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:28.319 whether certain opinions should be said publicly, this and that. 153 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:33.679 And I think that if you're reasonable people, and do 154 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.840 you understand what the goal is, you understand what the 155 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.919 you know, the direction you want to move in. You 156 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.120 just push put those aside and you you say, hey, 157 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.720 we got an enimated defeat now that we're looking at 158 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.559 that's right in front of us, and you know, arguing 159 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:53.879 over like inter denominational fighting or something like that. You know, 160 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.080 we get we can put that, We can put that aside. 161 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:00.440 You know, we could. I think you know the I 162 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.200 think one time the president of the National Chapters called 163 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.720 me is, yeah, we shall worry about we can worry 164 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.960 about rehashing fifteen seventeen in one hundred years, but we 165 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.159 got we got an enemy in front of us that 166 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.639 wants to kill both of us. So yeah, let's take 167 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:17.480 care let's take care of that first. 168 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:23.240 No, definitely, And this is sort of a structural problem 169 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.600 between the right and the left that there really are 170 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.759 a multitude of different rights. Really the unifying factor, at 171 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.639 least on the surface, is a certain amount of grievance. 172 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.000 The kind of direction that America is going is not 173 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.399 serving you or ip. We have a lot of things 174 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.440 in common, but you know, you're Catholic and I'm not, 175 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:49.480 and so we do have foundational level differences, right, things 176 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:54.200 that are mutually exclusive claims about reality. And so yeah, okay, 177 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.360 it's sure if we got to the point of my 178 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:00.639 team versus your team, you know, worrying for America, you know, 179 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.879 it might make it a little bit difficult to hang 180 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:06.000 out and grab beers together. But we're so far away 181 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.519 from that, and the Internet tends to amplify those differences, 182 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.320 which again are real. In the face of a truly 183 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.679 existential threat, you and I would not be able to 184 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.639 live our lives as we see fit. That you really 185 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:25.759 do need larger organizations, something that people can come to 186 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.720 to find a sense of organization, to find a sense 187 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:31.480 of camaraderie. And yeah, there's been a lot of fruit 188 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.399 of that. It's interesting. I can't do it quite as 189 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:37.519 much now. But when I wasn't using my face, I 190 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.960 really enjoyed going to these because I was largely anonymous, right, 191 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.720 I could listen and hear what people are talking about, 192 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.559 and there's no oh hey man, you know whatever, there's 193 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:53.720 no like people looking for you. And continually impressed by 194 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:59.000 how often you hear schemes being hatched, right, guys who 195 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:02.279 are conspiring together trying to get something done. You know, 196 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.440 there were guys working on setting up a co op, right, 197 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:07.679 a sort of a space that you know, they could 198 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.279 have as sort of a you know, a clubhouse, you know, 199 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:12.879 kind of similar to what you know, the VFW or 200 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.480 people like that. Do you know this is something a 201 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:17.960 model that's had a ment success in Europe, you know, 202 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.879 look at costs of pounds, look at you know, other 203 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.399 sort of institutions, and those are guys that were brought 204 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:28.360 together by this thing of ours. And sure, you know 205 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.080 that might not be the thing that saves America, that 206 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.919 one co op or whatever, but it doesn't exist without 207 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:38.600 that you know, kind of unifying institution to bring people together. 208 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.279 One of the other things we've mentioned, Harry a couple 209 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:46.759 times is that it's also great for bringing together the 210 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.559 kind of far flung factions. You know, it just by 211 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.639 virtue of being far apart. You know, you and I 212 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.240 can't pop over to England to you know, patch things up, 213 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.399 to stay on good terms. But we are co belligerents, right, 214 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.879 We're fighting the same way. And you know, I sort 215 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.080 of joked before we get started that you know, this 216 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.480 past weekend did more to repair US UK relations than 217 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.840 you know anything in the last fifty years, you know, 218 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.919 you're able to you know, build those kind of genuine 219 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:18.320 social ties that keep or that make it much more 220 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.159 difficult to descend into that kind of you know, factional 221 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.559 infighting than unfortunately, we see a lot. I'm sure you 222 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.559 guys listening have been around through at least one round 223 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:32.200 of the the europe US Great Satan debate. You know, Oh, 224 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.720 you guys are ruining the world or oh you were 225 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.639 you know, spineless cucks who you know, just turn over 226 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.840 and take it and okay, sure there's maybe blamed partition, 227 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:45.840 but much like the Protestant Catholic divide or you know, 228 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.879 any other do we have the time to hash that 229 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:53.120 out or is it particularly productive to And I think 230 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.240 that that is what makes these sort of gatherings so helpful, 231 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.799 you know, on every different level that we've laid out. 232 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.399 Pete. Yeah, I think one of the most important one 233 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.559 of the things I tried to relay when I was 234 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.440 when I was doing my panel is that we talk 235 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:13.759 about organization a lot, and people organizing, people organizing, people organizing, 236 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:18.240 but the other term that we really need to talk 237 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:23.000 about is networking, because you networking an organization are not 238 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.080 the same thing. Putting people together who know how to 239 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.519 do who somebody who wants to do something and somebody 240 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:30.960 who already knows how to do it. Putting those two 241 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.639 people together is probably more important than anything. And that 242 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.639 doesn't even have to be somebody who's inside the club. 243 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:40.679 As a matter of fact, in many cases, you probably 244 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.200 don't want it to be somebody who's inside the club. 245 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.200 You want it to be somebody who can exist on 246 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:50.039 the outside, someone who may not worry so much, someone 247 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.639 who you don't want tainted by some of the more 248 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.360 public facing members of the club and some of the 249 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.639 things that they say. They can be truly off the wall. 250 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:59.879 Sometimes I have no idea who I'm talking about here. 251 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:05.399 But the yeah, the once you yeah, you were talking 252 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.639 about were like, oh you you spineless cucks over there. 253 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.799 It's like, yeah, It's like, oh my god, I can't 254 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.039 believe they're not slitting the roats in the street because 255 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:18.200 of the rape gangs. It's like, motherfuckers, they literally told 256 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.960 you you needed to get a fucking jab to take 257 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.240 a death shot to keep your job, and you didn't 258 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.480 do shit either. How many guns do you have? Maybe 259 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.879 lay off of them? You know, you're know it's easy 260 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:32.840 for you to talk about that while you know, they 261 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.759 shut down the they shut down the country for a 262 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:38.720 good year in parts of the country for longer than that, 263 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:42.240 and then they you know, basically stole an election and 264 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:48.840 then they you watched you watch these complete lunatics rampage 265 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.399 through the streets for a whole summer and no one 266 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.960 did anything about it. I mean, all right, we're all 267 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.279 trying to figure out exactly how to deal with this 268 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:02.200 going forward, you know, where we don't end up getting slaughtered, 269 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:05.320 so you know, being able to get with people and 270 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.600 get people's phone numbers, get people's emails, and be like, look, 271 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.039 this is what we want to do, and you know 272 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.399 how to do this, right, Yes, I've already done this. 273 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:15.799 We've done this. You need if you need any help, 274 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.080 you let me know if you need this, if you 275 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.039 need that. You know, this is the kind of thing 276 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.519 that we're spinning up. This is a kind of organization 277 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.320 we're spinning up. How can we do this? We need help? 278 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.519 What kind of help can you give? I mean, that's 279 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.360 just networking, that's not even organizing. So just being able 280 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:33.960 to bring people together who you know, may not even 281 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:37.759 be officially become part of the club isn't as important 282 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.480 as just knowing that that person is actually there for 283 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.679 you if you need something. And yeah, I thought there 284 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:47.759 was a lot of that this weekend I got I 285 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.279 got a lot of I think we're able to bring 286 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.480 a lot of people together and introduce people to other 287 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.519 people who were Look, you want to do this, talk 288 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.159 to this guy, They're already doing it. I mean it's 289 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:00.639 very simple stuff like that. 290 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:04.720 Oh one hundred percent. And even on the local level, 291 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.519 like I think of you know, my my local chapter 292 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.559 of guys and okay, sure, you know, like you have 293 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.840 the explicit kind of club stuff, but uh, I mean, look, 294 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.200 it's it's how I met the guy who like makes 295 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.480 cabinets for me, which like, okay, that's a stupid little thing. 296 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:27.000 You know, it's a very specialized trade. But all of 297 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.080 a sudden, it's like, well, I don't have to go 298 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.720 through Google. I've got a guy, and I've got to. 299 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.679 Know I've always That's what I was saying in twenty twenty, 300 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.919 that people needed to organize into groups to the point 301 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:40.799 where it's like, oh, you need something, I know a guy. 302 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.159 Yeah, because clearly our enemies have that. However, you want 303 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.039 to define our enemies. Right, they have an immense amount 304 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:53.759 of institutions that do this for them, you know, that 305 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.279 provide jobs that sort you know, people into certain tracks, 306 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.799 especially in the kind of political landscape, a whole network 307 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.000 of it. And we don't have that advantage, but you 308 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.759 can build it. And sure it's nation, it's not done, 309 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:12.359 it's not fully completed, you know. Okay, but uh, you know, 310 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.640 something's better than nothing. I mean, even down to you know, 311 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.839 I think of the guy who does cabinets. Well, he 312 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.519 introduced me to a mechanic. Now he's my mechanic a 313 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.759 guy can trust. And it's like, okay, you know, you 314 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.440 bundle three or four of those things together. That's a 315 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.160 huge quality of life thing. Right, You're building out a 316 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.640 social network of you know, okay, sure, you know, you 317 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.039 may not have the same confessional heritage, you may not 318 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:38.599 have the exact same views. But once you have in 319 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.440 your community, you in your general area, a handful of 320 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.440 guys that you feel like you can trust, well that's 321 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.119 a huge leg up. We spoke a lot at the event, 322 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.839 and a lot of the speech is about you know, atomization, 323 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.920 about the fact that you know, due to how big 324 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.839 our country is, the Internet, that people are sort of 325 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.960 scattered to the wind, and that's a disadvantage one hundred. 326 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:02.480 It would be better if that weren't the case. It 327 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.880 would be better if we still had a cohesive community, 328 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.960 but we fundamentally don't at this point. It doesn't really 329 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.160 exist for most people. And so the question is, well, 330 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:17.079 accepting that fact, what do you do. You can complain 331 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:19.519 about it. I've complained about it. You've complained about it, Pete. 332 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.440 And that's useful, you know, on a psychological level, venting 333 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.079 and also you're accurately kind of diagnosing the situation. But 334 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.160 at a certain point it comes down to, well, if this, 335 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:34.000 then what and that organization like it was theoretical for 336 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.960 a while, and there are multiple organizations, multiple ways to 337 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:40.720 do it. But uh, look man, uh politics is a 338 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.880 team sport. Kevin Deanna said, all politics is identity politics. 339 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.599 And at a certain point, if you're looking at present 340 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:50.799 trends and saying, hey, man, this isn't trending in the 341 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:54.880 right direction, well you need to get a tribe one 342 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:56.680 way or another. And sure, you know what, if you 343 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.880 have a great church, awesome find maybe that's all you need. 344 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.359 But the forces a rayed against us are our legion, 345 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.079 to put it mildly, so can you afford to say 346 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.839 no to another friend? I'm not even saying that in 347 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.559 kind of a be a self help way, but uh, 348 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:16.440 you know, we're kind of strapped for allies at least initially. 349 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:20.519 And I won't bring up numbers, but the club's growing 350 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.559 growing quickly, and okay, sure, you know with that growth 351 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.480 there comes you know, I don't know everyone in it. 352 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:32.200 At a point I did, but that means that network's 353 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.359 getting bigger. And we've already seen this happen. You know, 354 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.359 a guy moves across the country and well, guess what, 355 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.480 he's got guys to carry boxes. For sure, he may 356 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.799 only know him from a group chat, but you know, again, 357 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.079 better than paying some dude from the home depot parking lot. 358 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.960 Right, Yeah, you know that's it was another one of 359 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:54.880 those one of the best things I saw over the weekend. 360 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:59.759 Then Kevin Deanna is a great dresser. He knows that address. 361 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:02.599 But seeing him there with you know, with our habit 362 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:05.400 asher getting suited up, you know, it was like it 363 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:07.400 was almost like he was becoming one of us, like 364 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.440 he was putting on the uniform, you know, and even 365 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.640 though he may not want to join or anything. We 366 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.400 know he had we had. He's there for us, you know, 367 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.960 he said. He complimented me on on the panel we 368 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:24.720 did about local politics and and what people are doing 369 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.319 outside of the group as far as politically, you know, 370 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.079 not officially as OGC because they're not allowed to do that, 371 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.839 but what the way people are organizing. He said that, 372 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.160 you know, it was great to see when you hear 373 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.400 about wins, when when you when you hear about the 374 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:46.279 great things that people are doing, and the just that 375 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:50.640 idea that we now have, like because of people that 376 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:55.680 we that we invited in who are in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, 377 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:58.799 people from outside the club who were all over the country, 378 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:02.559 that now they've able to see what we're doing and 379 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.480 know what we're all about, and can now they can 380 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:12.279 ignore the Twitter noise that you know that happens because 381 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.119 you know, basically everybody needs to get online and be 382 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.440 feminine and that need something to talk about. So everything 383 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.000 turns into a sewing circle because basically that's what the 384 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.759 internet is. It's basically gossip like a bunch of women. 385 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:28.640 But I thought that one of the things that one 386 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:34.079 of the main things that the talking about organization and 387 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:38.359 truly showing how what we do, what we can accomplish 388 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:43.039 is was showing that like the only thing that people 389 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.759 like found the Internet useful for for the most part, 390 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:51.279 was recruiting other people, recruiting people into the club. If 391 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:53.920 you see someone, you may approach them, you know. I 392 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:55.960 think we're I think we're at the point where it's 393 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.720 don't call us, we'll call you kind of thing. And 394 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:03.839 also that basically if you ask anybody who was like, 395 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.359 how are you using the Internet to accomplish things to 396 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:12.839 get wins, It's like, well, boomers, if you need boomer support, 397 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:16.160 you put things out on Facebook, you know. And I 398 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:19.039 and that was what like four different people said, yeah, 399 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.000 we use Facebook for this too, you know, if somebody's 400 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.440 running a campaign we need to hit boomers, we do this, 401 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.319