Speaker 1: Remaining alive. Man like this man letting butterfly, flaven and wing.
Speaker 2: They've down in the forest.
Speaker 1: Man, it gonna cause a tree fall, letting five thousand
Speaker 1: miles away.
Speaker 2: Man, you nobody see. Nobody else might see that. You
Speaker 2: don't need no man, don't like you call another story
Speaker 2: and you got bacted like that.
Speaker 1: That was man got black and dag on the panic
Speaker 1: man matter manka all right, So somewhat similar to the
Speaker 1: episode with Kevin, this will be a shorter monologue. As
Speaker 1: I said before, I've been traveling right for political stuff,
Speaker 1: and so it's gonna take a little bit for the
Speaker 1: shock to allow me more time. Uh, monologues take more
Speaker 1: time than you'd think. I have to kind of outline
Speaker 1: my thoughts, and I got in at eleven o'clock yesterday
Speaker 1: evening just wrapped.
Speaker 2: Up with Pete.
Speaker 1: Will be a little shorter than normal. But as I've said,
Speaker 1: I went to the Old Glory Club OGC, big event
Speaker 1: right once a year, and as someone who's gone to
Speaker 1: more and more of these political conferences as times, as
Speaker 1: time has advanced, I just want to say it is
Speaker 1: the premiere dissident event, distant political conference.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: A lot of great guys there. It's a ton of fun,
Speaker 1: both on a political level, you know, hearing interesting ideas,
Speaker 1: hearing new thoughts, making connections, but also it's just a blast.
Speaker 1: And because it's such a blast, I am somewhat the
Speaker 1: worse for wear, So I won't keep you too long.
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Speaker 1: Pete Quinontas. All right, Pete, welcome back to the jay
Speaker 1: Birds Show.
Speaker 2: How you doing? Man? Oh good man, it's like I
Speaker 2: haven't seen in a while. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to cut to the chase, you, me and
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of the other American and also foreign
Speaker 1: right wingers were out at the annual OGC conference, and
Speaker 1: so I thought i'd do a little bit of an
Speaker 1: after action report right, kind of going over it because
Speaker 1: most of your favorites were there, people in the organization
Speaker 1: and people outside of it, and you and I have
Speaker 1: been going to these things for a while now. I
Speaker 1: think it's my fourth in a row, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd be curious to get your initial thoughts.
Speaker 2: Be much more laid back than years past, only because
Speaker 2: the way you had it set up was less speakers
Speaker 2: this year, so there was more time for socializing. Actually
Speaker 2: canceled some things so that people could socialize. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a good time. And you know, having people who
Speaker 2: you know, came in front out of the country, and
Speaker 2: you know, having people like Peter Brimola there and his
Speaker 2: son who I got to spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: with and talked to, and other people like that, it was.
Speaker 2: It was cool. You know, some people had to dip
Speaker 2: in speak and dip out, and you know that always sucks.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it was I thought it. I would
Speaker 2: say the only reason I thought it was better than
Speaker 2: last year was just because there was more free times
Speaker 2: to socialize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was I think my takeaway as well,
Speaker 1: which is, look like there's a huge benefit to sort
Speaker 1: of rallying behind the flag, right that that can't be overstated.
Speaker 1: And honestly, some of the other talks were incredibly informational. Weirdly,
Speaker 1: we had sort of competing slightly competing views on Strauss
Speaker 1: and got two very high brow kind of philosophical talks.
Speaker 1: Ron Dodgson, a regular on both your show and mine,
Speaker 1: did a really interesting presentation on it, which like, Okay, sure,
Speaker 1: you know it's not as directly applicable as you know,
Speaker 1: a workshop or something, but it's really interesting stuff. And
Speaker 1: I agree your your general view of it that the socializing,
Speaker 1: the meeting and greeting thing is huge, because, look, you know,
Speaker 1: some of it is you know guys like you know,
Speaker 1: Harry Robinson, who I've been a fan of over the internet.
Speaker 1: He and I have done content together and you get
Speaker 1: this feeling like, oh, I bet I'd get along well
Speaker 1: with that guy, And after you spend two days together,
Speaker 1: you're like, eh, this guy's great. You know, we have
Speaker 1: developed a sort of friendship and a camaraderie that is really
Speaker 1: important because one of the big sort of themes that
Speaker 1: came out in these talks was like, how do we
Speaker 1: solve all of this sort of online bs, the sort
Speaker 1: of fractionalism, the infighting, and the conclusion that many speakers
Speaker 1: offered and was sort of proven by the event itself,
Speaker 1: is so much of that falls away in real life. Look,
Speaker 1: there are notable exceptions, we don't need to get into it,
Speaker 1: but when you're across the table from some guy. When
Speaker 1: you're sharing drinks together, when you're sharing food together, you realize,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, man, we're on the same side here.
Speaker 1: That sort of friend ship, that sort of social bond,
Speaker 1: it's really important, especially because look, we are both tied
Speaker 1: to the Internet and sort of victims of it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The Internet clearly drives people insane and pushes them into bizarre,
Speaker 1: radical opinions. And so I was thinking the whole weekend
Speaker 1: of the line Dave coined years ago, the purpose of
Speaker 1: the Internet is not to win the Internet, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not to gather the most clout. And I think
Speaker 1: that one of the things that these these sort of
Speaker 1: gatherings really accomplish is to be honest, quashing these kind
Speaker 1: of beefs and putting a face to you know, the
Speaker 1: profile picture. Now it's not you know, some guy you
Speaker 1: may be mutuals with. It's a friend, it's a brother.
Speaker 1: And Okay, that sounds stupid, because internet drama is stupid.
Speaker 1: But look, Pete, you've been around for long enough to
Speaker 1: see that completely kill institutions just kind of devolve into infighting.
Speaker 1: And one last point and then I'll kick it back
Speaker 1: to you. It's always interesting getting outside views on the
Speaker 1: ogc our project because generally, and okay, of course we're
Speaker 1: asking them, so they're going to be polite, but the
Speaker 1: feedback is incredibly positive. I'm not looking to speak for him,
Speaker 1: but Brimolo is incredibly incredibly encouraged by what he saw.
Speaker 1: Someone who's been in the space forever. God rest his soul.
Speaker 1: But z Man had very similar things to say a
Speaker 1: year ago. And you know, in that time there have
Speaker 1: been you know, certain difficult patches, but the organization has
Speaker 1: grown and seeming the quality is staying similar, and that's
Speaker 1: an encouraging thing to see someone who is not drinking
Speaker 1: the kool aid say that there's something positive going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to bring up z Man, before I hosted
Speaker 2: a panel that was kind of an off the cuff
Speaker 2: thing of you want to host a panel kind of thing,
Speaker 2: put something together, you know, Redrock asked me to tost
Speaker 2: z Man. And remember that he was there last year
Speaker 2: and he walked away from there like yeah, I gotta
Speaker 2: I gotta get involved with us, and he was dead,
Speaker 2: you know, four or five weeks later, so you know,
Speaker 2: we honored him. I think the one thing that really
Speaker 2: helped this was that it's invite. We've gotten to the
Speaker 2: point where it's just invite only, you know, the people
Speaker 2: we want there who are from inside, inside the club
Speaker 2: and out are the ones who are going to be there,
Speaker 2: and it's not people who, you know, people who may
Speaker 2: be there to infiltrate, could possibly be there cause problems
Speaker 2: which we've never really had. So but you know, still
Speaker 2: as as we be, as we continue to grow, we
Speaker 2: see more lore being spun up about us outside of
Speaker 2: the outside of the you know, the group, because you know,
Speaker 2: people who are completely terminally online and you know, may
Speaker 2: not be married or you know, just basically don't have
Speaker 2: a life apparently just want to sit there and make
Speaker 2: shit up about us or listen to people who may
Speaker 2: not be in the club anymore who make shit up
Speaker 2: about us who you know, and then they just tend
Speaker 2: to believe that because somebody told me that on the internet.
Speaker 2: But once you do get face to face with people,
Speaker 2: and you know, there are going to be times when
Speaker 2: you when people's personalities just are not going to be
Speaker 2: able to connect, and there'll be disagreements about certain opinions,
Speaker 2: whether certain opinions should be said publicly, this and that.
Speaker 2: And I think that if you're reasonable people, and do
Speaker 2: you understand what the goal is, you understand what the
Speaker 2: you know, the direction you want to move in. You
Speaker 2: just push put those aside and you you say, hey,
Speaker 2: we got an enimated defeat now that we're looking at
Speaker 2: that's right in front of us, and you know, arguing
Speaker 2: over like inter denominational fighting or something like that. You know,
Speaker 2: we get we can put that, We can put that aside.
Speaker 2: You know, we could. I think you know the I
Speaker 2: think one time the president of the National Chapters called
Speaker 2: me is, yeah, we shall worry about we can worry
Speaker 2: about rehashing fifteen seventeen in one hundred years, but we
Speaker 2: got we got an enemy in front of us that
Speaker 2: wants to kill both of us. So yeah, let's take
Speaker 2: care let's take care of that first.
Speaker 1: No, definitely, And this is sort of a structural problem
Speaker 1: between the right and the left that there really are
Speaker 1: a multitude of different rights. Really the unifying factor, at
Speaker 1: least on the surface, is a certain amount of grievance.
Speaker 1: The kind of direction that America is going is not
Speaker 1: serving you or ip. We have a lot of things
Speaker 1: in common, but you know, you're Catholic and I'm not,
Speaker 1: and so we do have foundational level differences, right, things
Speaker 1: that are mutually exclusive claims about reality. And so yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: it's sure if we got to the point of my
Speaker 1: team versus your team, you know, worrying for America, you know,
Speaker 1: it might make it a little bit difficult to hang
Speaker 1: out and grab beers together. But we're so far away
Speaker 1: from that, and the Internet tends to amplify those differences,
Speaker 1: which again are real. In the face of a truly
Speaker 1: existential threat, you and I would not be able to
Speaker 1: live our lives as we see fit. That you really
Speaker 1: do need larger organizations, something that people can come to
Speaker 1: to find a sense of organization, to find a sense
Speaker 1: of camaraderie. And yeah, there's been a lot of fruit
Speaker 1: of that. It's interesting. I can't do it quite as
Speaker 1: much now. But when I wasn't using my face, I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed going to these because I was largely anonymous, right,
Speaker 1: I could listen and hear what people are talking about,
Speaker 1: and there's no oh hey man, you know whatever, there's
Speaker 1: no like people looking for you. And continually impressed by
Speaker 1: how often you hear schemes being hatched, right, guys who
Speaker 1: are conspiring together trying to get something done. You know,
Speaker 1: there were guys working on setting up a co op, right,
Speaker 1: a sort of a space that you know, they could
Speaker 1: have as sort of a you know, a clubhouse, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of similar to what you know, the VFW or
Speaker 1: people like that. Do you know this is something a
Speaker 1: model that's had a ment success in Europe, you know,
Speaker 1: look at costs of pounds, look at you know, other
Speaker 1: sort of institutions, and those are guys that were brought
Speaker 1: together by this thing of ours. And sure, you know
Speaker 1: that might not be the thing that saves America, that
Speaker 1: one co op or whatever, but it doesn't exist without
Speaker 1: that you know, kind of unifying institution to bring people together.
Speaker 1: One of the other things we've mentioned, Harry a couple
Speaker 1: times is that it's also great for bringing together the
Speaker 1: kind of far flung factions. You know, it just by
Speaker 1: virtue of being far apart. You know, you and I
Speaker 1: can't pop over to England to you know, patch things up,
Speaker 1: to stay on good terms. But we are co belligerents, right,
Speaker 1: We're fighting the same way. And you know, I sort
Speaker 1: of joked before we get started that you know, this
Speaker 1: past weekend did more to repair US UK relations than
Speaker 1: you know anything in the last fifty years, you know,
Speaker 1: you're able to you know, build those kind of genuine
Speaker 1: social ties that keep or that make it much more
Speaker 1: difficult to descend into that kind of you know, factional
Speaker 1: infighting than unfortunately, we see a lot. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys listening have been around through at least one round
Speaker 1: of the the europe US Great Satan debate. You know, Oh,
Speaker 1: you guys are ruining the world or oh you were
Speaker 1: you know, spineless cucks who you know, just turn over
Speaker 1: and take it and okay, sure there's maybe blamed partition,
Speaker 1: but much like the Protestant Catholic divide or you know,
Speaker 1: any other do we have the time to hash that
Speaker 1: out or is it particularly productive to And I think
Speaker 1: that that is what makes these sort of gatherings so helpful,
Speaker 1: you know, on every different level that we've laid out.
Speaker 2: Pete. Yeah, I think one of the most important one
Speaker 2: of the things I tried to relay when I was
Speaker 2: when I was doing my panel is that we talk
Speaker 2: about organization a lot, and people organizing, people organizing, people organizing,
Speaker 2: but the other term that we really need to talk
Speaker 2: about is networking, because you networking an organization are not
Speaker 2: the same thing. Putting people together who know how to
Speaker 2: do who somebody who wants to do something and somebody
Speaker 2: who already knows how to do it. Putting those two
Speaker 2: people together is probably more important than anything. And that
Speaker 2: doesn't even have to be somebody who's inside the club.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, in many cases, you probably
Speaker 2: don't want it to be somebody who's inside the club.
Speaker 2: You want it to be somebody who can exist on
Speaker 2: the outside, someone who may not worry so much, someone
Speaker 2: who you don't want tainted by some of the more
Speaker 2: public facing members of the club and some of the
Speaker 2: things that they say. They can be truly off the wall.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have no idea who I'm talking about here.
Speaker 2: But the yeah, the once you yeah, you were talking
Speaker 2: about were like, oh you you spineless cucks over there.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, It's like, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 2: believe they're not slitting the roats in the street because
Speaker 2: of the rape gangs. It's like, motherfuckers, they literally told
Speaker 2: you you needed to get a fucking jab to take
Speaker 2: a death shot to keep your job, and you didn't
Speaker 2: do shit either. How many guns do you have? Maybe
Speaker 2: lay off of them? You know, you're know it's easy
Speaker 2: for you to talk about that while you know, they
Speaker 2: shut down the they shut down the country for a
Speaker 2: good year in parts of the country for longer than that,
Speaker 2: and then they you know, basically stole an election and
Speaker 2: then they you watched you watch these complete lunatics rampage
Speaker 2: through the streets for a whole summer and no one
Speaker 2: did anything about it. I mean, all right, we're all
Speaker 2: trying to figure out exactly how to deal with this
Speaker 2: going forward, you know, where we don't end up getting slaughtered,
Speaker 2: so you know, being able to get with people and
Speaker 2: get people's phone numbers, get people's emails, and be like, look,
Speaker 2: this is what we want to do, and you know
Speaker 2: how to do this, right, Yes, I've already done this.
Speaker 2: We've done this. You need if you need any help,
Speaker 2: you let me know if you need this, if you
Speaker 2: need that. You know, this is the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that we're spinning up. This is a kind of organization
Speaker 2: we're spinning up. How can we do this? We need help?
Speaker 2: What kind of help can you give? I mean, that's
Speaker 2: just networking, that's not even organizing. So just being able
Speaker 2: to bring people together who you know, may not even
Speaker 2: be officially become part of the club isn't as important
Speaker 2: as just knowing that that person is actually there for
Speaker 2: you if you need something. And yeah, I thought there
Speaker 2: was a lot of that this weekend I got I
Speaker 2: got a lot of I think we're able to bring
Speaker 2: a lot of people together and introduce people to other
Speaker 2: people who were Look, you want to do this, talk
Speaker 2: to this guy, They're already doing it. I mean it's
Speaker 2: very simple stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. And even on the local level,
Speaker 1: like I think of you know, my my local chapter
Speaker 1: of guys and okay, sure, you know, like you have
Speaker 1: the explicit kind of club stuff, but uh, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: it's it's how I met the guy who like makes
Speaker 1: cabinets for me, which like, okay, that's a stupid little thing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a very specialized trade. But all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, well, I don't have to go
Speaker 1: through Google. I've got a guy, and I've got to.
Speaker 2: Know I've always That's what I was saying in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: that people needed to organize into groups to the point
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, you need something, I know a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because clearly our enemies have that. However, you want
Speaker 1: to define our enemies. Right, they have an immense amount
Speaker 1: of institutions that do this for them, you know, that
Speaker 1: provide jobs that sort you know, people into certain tracks,
Speaker 1: especially in the kind of political landscape, a whole network
Speaker 1: of it. And we don't have that advantage, but you
Speaker 1: can build it. And sure it's nation, it's not done,
Speaker 1: it's not fully completed, you know. Okay, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: something's better than nothing. I mean, even down to you know,
Speaker 1: I think of the guy who does cabinets. Well, he
Speaker 1: introduced me to a mechanic. Now he's my mechanic a
Speaker 1: guy can trust. And it's like, okay, you know, you
Speaker 1: bundle three or four of those things together. That's a
Speaker 1: huge quality of life thing. Right, You're building out a
Speaker 1: social network of you know, okay, sure, you know, you
Speaker 1: may not have the same confessional heritage, you may not
Speaker 1: have the exact same views. But once you have in
Speaker 1: your community, you in your general area, a handful of
Speaker 1: guys that you feel like you can trust, well that's
Speaker 1: a huge leg up. We spoke a lot at the event,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the speech is about you know, atomization,
Speaker 1: about the fact that you know, due to how big
Speaker 1: our country is, the Internet, that people are sort of
Speaker 1: scattered to the wind, and that's a disadvantage one hundred.
Speaker 1: It would be better if that weren't the case. It
Speaker 1: would be better if we still had a cohesive community,
Speaker 1: but we fundamentally don't at this point. It doesn't really
Speaker 1: exist for most people. And so the question is, well,
Speaker 1: accepting that fact, what do you do. You can complain
Speaker 1: about it. I've complained about it. You've complained about it, Pete.
Speaker 1: And that's useful, you know, on a psychological level, venting
Speaker 1: and also you're accurately kind of diagnosing the situation. But
Speaker 1: at a certain point it comes down to, well, if this,
Speaker 1: then what and that organization like it was theoretical for
Speaker 1: a while, and there are multiple organizations, multiple ways to
Speaker 1: do it. But uh, look man, uh politics is a
Speaker 1: team sport. Kevin Deanna said, all politics is identity politics.
Speaker 1: And at a certain point, if you're looking at present
Speaker 1: trends and saying, hey, man, this isn't trending in the
Speaker 1: right direction, well you need to get a tribe one
Speaker 1: way or another. And sure, you know what, if you
Speaker 1: have a great church, awesome find maybe that's all you need.
Speaker 1: But the forces a rayed against us are our legion,
Speaker 1: to put it mildly, so can you afford to say
Speaker 1: no to another friend? I'm not even saying that in
Speaker 1: kind of a be a self help way, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of strapped for allies at least initially.
Speaker 1: And I won't bring up numbers, but the club's growing
Speaker 1: growing quickly, and okay, sure, you know with that growth
Speaker 1: there comes you know, I don't know everyone in it.
Speaker 1: At a point I did, but that means that network's
Speaker 1: getting bigger. And we've already seen this happen. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy moves across the country and well, guess what,
Speaker 1: he's got guys to carry boxes. For sure, he may
Speaker 1: only know him from a group chat, but you know, again,
Speaker 1: better than paying some dude from the home depot parking lot.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you know that's it was another one of
Speaker 2: those one of the best things I saw over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Then Kevin Deanna is a great dresser. He knows that address.
Speaker 2: But seeing him there with you know, with our habit
Speaker 2: asher getting suited up, you know, it was like it
Speaker 2: was almost like he was becoming one of us, like
Speaker 2: he was putting on the uniform, you know, and even
Speaker 2: though he may not want to join or anything. We
Speaker 2: know he had we had. He's there for us, you know,
Speaker 2: he said. He complimented me on on the panel we
Speaker 2: did about local politics and and what people are doing
Speaker 2: outside of the group as far as politically, you know,
Speaker 2: not officially as OGC because they're not allowed to do that,
Speaker 2: but what the way people are organizing. He said that,
Speaker 2: you know, it was great to see when you hear
Speaker 2: about wins, when when you when you hear about the
Speaker 2: great things that people are doing, and the just that
Speaker 2: idea that we now have, like because of people that
Speaker 2: we that we invited in who are in West Virginia, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: people from outside the club who were all over the country,
Speaker 2: that now they've able to see what we're doing and
Speaker 2: know what we're all about, and can now they can
Speaker 2: ignore the Twitter noise that you know that happens because
Speaker 2: you know, basically everybody needs to get online and be
Speaker 2: feminine and that need something to talk about. So everything
Speaker 2: turns into a sewing circle because basically that's what the
Speaker 2: internet is. It's basically gossip like a bunch of women.
Speaker 2: But I thought that one of the things that one
Speaker 2: of the main things that the talking about organization and
Speaker 2: truly showing how what we do, what we can accomplish
Speaker 2: is was showing that like the only thing that people
Speaker 2: like found the Internet useful for for the most part,
Speaker 2: was recruiting other people, recruiting people into the club. If
Speaker 2: you see someone, you may approach them, you know. I
Speaker 2: think we're I think we're at the point where it's
Speaker 2: don't call us, we'll call you kind of thing. And
Speaker 2: also that basically if you ask anybody who was like,
Speaker 2: how are you using the Internet to accomplish things to
Speaker 2: get wins, It's like, well, boomers, if you need boomer support,
Speaker 2: you put things out on Facebook, you know. And I
Speaker 2: and that was what like four different people said, yeah,
Speaker 2: we use Facebook for this too, you know, if somebody's
Speaker 2: running a campaign we need to hit boomers, we do this,
Speaker 2: We do that, you know. And then I asked the
Speaker 2: question I asked to end. It was, so, how much
Speaker 2: have you accomplished by arguing on the internet with other people?
Speaker 2: And those people said nothing, And it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: there you go. It's all about it. Look, I get it.
Speaker 1: I've worked in dead end jobs where you're sitting in
Speaker 1: a meeting and you're like, all right, let's let's stir
Speaker 1: the pot.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to take that away from anyone.
Speaker 1: It is fun, you know, it is fun. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you've accepted that, like all right, like we need
Speaker 1: to do something here, those are different buckets, you know,
Speaker 1: your personal entertainment and actually fixing this issue, we're two
Speaker 1: different things. I think. One of the other things that
Speaker 1: you know, these sort of events make you realize is
Speaker 1: a diversity of tactics. There are people doing different things,
Speaker 1: presenting themselves differently, who you know, on the surface may
Speaker 1: not be able to go as far as you are,
Speaker 1: you know, may not be able to say the same
Speaker 1: things that whoever your personal favorite radical example is. But again,
Speaker 1: these guys are on side when there are no cameras around,
Speaker 1: They're sitting at the same tables talking, They're saying the
Speaker 1: same things. But it's a witch. And just as you can't,
Speaker 1: you know, split something with the blunt edge of an axe,
Speaker 1: well you know you need that narrow edge, you need
Speaker 1: that entryway. And is there a trap to entry ism?
Speaker 1: Of course there is. We're not advocating for people to
Speaker 1: sacrifice all of their principles merely to get a position
Speaker 1: at x y Z Institution.
Speaker 2: But to say you, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Look to your right and your left on that spectrum
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, okay, Like we're pushing the same direction.
Speaker 1: We know what's going on here, we know what needs
Speaker 1: to be done. And I think that a lot of
Speaker 1: that antipathy on both ends if oh, you know, you
Speaker 1: guys are edge lording, or oh why are you an
Speaker 1: optics cuck? Again, that's another divide that is bridged. One
Speaker 1: of the negatives. One of the real downsides of conferences
Speaker 1: like these is you'll make friends with people who live
Speaker 1: like three thousand miles away, like I hang out with
Speaker 1: like Thomas Wayne Riley, who was on this show not
Speaker 1: too long ago, who's a great time, like genuinly a
Speaker 1: great guy to hang out with, and then as we
Speaker 1: were wrapping up, we're like, oh, well, this sucks. You
Speaker 1: live halfway across the continent, you know, so I guess
Speaker 1: we just can't hang out till next year. Which, you know,
Speaker 1: if that's a criticism, it sort of speaks to, you know,
Speaker 1: the quality of the thing in and of itself. Also,
Speaker 1: I will say this is not the reason you should go.
Speaker 1: Everyone who goes is very generous. If you were not careful,
Speaker 1: you can end up stumbling back to your room. You
Speaker 1: will be handed large quantities of expensive liquor and many
Speaker 1: many cigars. Uh, just a hazard for those who end
Speaker 1: up making the trek. You will have to be on
Speaker 1: your toes or you will be unconscious.
Speaker 2: Many such cases. The it's yes, it is very social
Speaker 2: and and that is the points of it. The point
Speaker 2: of it is is it people. Sometimes, you know, people
Speaker 2: in our spheres may be a little tightly wound and
Speaker 2: they need to lighten up. I think people think that
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm tightly wound, and it's like it's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: I do not need alcohol to do any of this.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm a yeah, I will speak my mind
Speaker 2: with with no with not a drop of alcohol in
Speaker 2: my body. But you know, I think that helps, and
Speaker 2: you know it is too. Yeah, to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: is like we've been people like us have basically been
Speaker 2: told we're trash for so long, you know, getting a
Speaker 2: nicely cut suit or drinking from a thousand dollars bottle
Speaker 2: of bourbon, or you know, smoking a cigar that costs
Speaker 2: you know, you know, as much what it takes to
Speaker 2: overthrow the island that it was grown on. You. It's
Speaker 2: nice for people to enjoy that kind of culture when
Speaker 2: people are when people are willing to share it with you,
Speaker 2: and it's not something that that should be this should
Speaker 2: be taken away from us just because you know, we
Speaker 2: are you know, essentially all pretty much from working you know,
Speaker 2: I know Thomas hates this term, but working class backgrounds
Speaker 2: in the historic sense of in the historic sense of
Speaker 2: the word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the that's the interesting thing is you
Speaker 1: see a very wide spread of guys, you know, like
Speaker 1: you have you have programmers, the independently wealthy and like
Speaker 1: blue collar truck drivers, mechanics, and you know, that kind
Speaker 1: of fraternal bond is great. You know, it's very easy
Speaker 1: to get you know, socially isolated into kind of your
Speaker 1: social class or whatever. And uh, yeah, it's it's good
Speaker 1: to get out, especially because one of the most kind
Speaker 1: of like efficacious narratives our enemies have is this idea
Speaker 1: that you are an isolated loser, weirdo that no one
Speaker 1: else thinks like you and only freaks disagree about X,
Speaker 1: Y or Z. And you realize that's not the case
Speaker 1: at all. Look like there are some of God's own
Speaker 1: prototypes there, I won't deny that, although at a decreasing
Speaker 1: rate every year, but you meet a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who are completely and totally normal, who are family men,
Speaker 1: who have something to lose by being here, and you think, well,
Speaker 1: why is that? Because it's important because the issues that
Speaker 1: you and I, Pete, and the audience as well have identified, well,
Speaker 1: they're not isolated.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not just the product of a social media algorithm
Speaker 1: driving you personally insane, turning you into some insel weirdo. No,
Speaker 1: this is a problem, and it's a problem that other
Speaker 1: serious people have identified and devoted resources to solving, who said, like, no,
Speaker 1: this cannot continue. This isn't simply you know, a figment
Speaker 1: of my imagination. There's something wrong here, and I will
Speaker 1: do something about it. And that kind of psychological benefit
Speaker 1: of being surrounded by like minded people you can't be overstated.
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough now to be in a highly dissident community.
Speaker 1: I don't say where I live, Pete, but you're aware,
Speaker 1: you know, even just the guys that live within a
Speaker 1: mile of me are heavy hitters. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: huge advantage to be able to walk down to a
Speaker 1: bar and meet guys who are, you know, on the
Speaker 1: same page as you. But I've lived in Blue America.
Speaker 1: I spoke with Thomas for an hour about my experience
Speaker 1: living in Richmond, Virginia, a very very different place. And
Speaker 1: when you're behind enemy lines, it's way easier to feel
Speaker 1: like you're a man on an island, right to kind
Speaker 1: of you know, crib the line, you know, standing atop
Speaker 1: the tracks of progress, yelling stop, all by yourself, just
Speaker 1: waiting for the mob to run you over. You realize
Speaker 1: it's not like that. And I'm continually impressed by the
Speaker 1: guys that are behind enemy lines, that the California Crew,
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest guys like honestly, I love the Portland
Speaker 1: Crew a ton. And again, those are guys who are
Speaker 1: shockingly outnumbered, right, even more so than we are anywhere.
Speaker 1: But you see that, like, yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who think the same way you do. And they're
Speaker 1: not the sort of regime caricature. They're not bitter in
Speaker 1: cells freaks. They're normal guys. And yeah, I know it's
Speaker 1: kind of a squishy, feelings based approach to it, but
Speaker 1: I think it's one that can't be overstated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the first time I had a chance
Speaker 2: to meet some of the New York City guys and
Speaker 2: just you know, it's like I think I said it
Speaker 2: a few times this weekend, was you know, it doesn't
Speaker 2: escape me that some of a lot of our strongest
Speaker 2: soldiers are in California, Pacific, Northwest, New York, Chicago, because
Speaker 2: they have to deal with it every day, and they
Speaker 2: have to deal with it in ways that I don't,
Speaker 2: in ways that you don't, in ways that a lot
Speaker 2: of the chapters you know, who may look down upon
Speaker 2: them for their opinions, don't have to because they're insulated
Speaker 2: from the kind of thing that they have to deal
Speaker 2: with every day. And it's very easy to say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, they should just leave and go somewhere else,
Speaker 2: And I was the kind of person who used to
Speaker 2: say that, But no, I mean, the whole point of
Speaker 2: this is that you're if you're going to if those
Speaker 2: places are ever going to be livable again, and maybe
Speaker 2: you maybe we don't want them to be well again.
Speaker 2: Who knows, You're gonna need people there. You're gonna need
Speaker 2: people there putting in the work, and just knowing that
Speaker 2: those guys are there that yeah, you can if you
Speaker 2: do get stuck having to go to New York City,
Speaker 2: you have guys that you can hang out with who
Speaker 2: are gonna you know, apparently a lot of the New
Speaker 2: York City guys are Latin mask guys, so they're gonna
Speaker 2: grab you and drag you to a Latin mass. So
Speaker 2: the just knowing that they're there, knowing that, yep, knowing
Speaker 2: that they are sane people everywhere. And I think we're
Speaker 2: starting to see that more even with like interacting with
Speaker 2: just normies. But they a lot of the normies seem
Speaker 2: to be coming more and more slowly to our side. You,
Speaker 2: I mean, New York City, LA place we already talked about,
Speaker 2: maybe not so much, but basically what we the things
Speaker 2: that we believe are normal. They're like what normal people
Speaker 2: believed not long ago, and still normal people believe. It's
Speaker 2: just that when you have a complete, like full court
Speaker 2: press of no you're weird and outside of the mainstream
Speaker 2: by the government and the media and academia and you know,
Speaker 2: everyone that has a has power to create create the culture,
Speaker 2: you start to see yourself as being kind of odd.
Speaker 2: But you know, not to get in to use any
Speaker 2: terms like sensible centrist or anything like that. But I mean,
Speaker 2: we're pretty damn normal, and most of the guys that
Speaker 2: we deal with are pretty damn normal guys. You know,
Speaker 2: fifty sixty years ago, they would have just been seen
Speaker 2: as normal Americans. And that apparently that's become a danger
Speaker 2: to you know, journalists, journalists in Nashville and Portland and
Speaker 2: people like that. They see normal people, you know, the
Speaker 2: people who basically were outlined for attack and the authoritarian personality.
Speaker 2: We're a problem, and I mean, I guess we're just
Speaker 2: gonna have to accept that. Move on.
Speaker 1: So other I think sort of notable things about this one.
Speaker 1: Whatever your special interest is, aside from politics, there is
Speaker 1: someone there who knows more about it, and you will
Speaker 1: get really deep on a conversation. I talked with the
Speaker 1: dude for like two hours at the bar about old
Speaker 1: land cruisers and buffalo farming. I'm gonna be honest, I
Speaker 1: knew nothing about that. It's kind of interesting. Had another
Speaker 1: conversation with the dude about bowfishing, again something I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about. So look, it's a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: unified by politics. There's a lot of that going on.
Speaker 1: But don't feel like this is sort of like a
Speaker 1: just a rehash of Twitter. You're getting to know guys
Speaker 1: as guys, right, You're breaking out of simply the kind
Speaker 1: of current thing discords and making connections right, human connections,
Speaker 1: which is again something that is very difficult to do
Speaker 1: on the Internet. I also think it's interesting to look
Speaker 1: at the trends over time. I wasn't at the first
Speaker 1: American Conference, I wasn't posting then, but I came around
Speaker 1: the second time very shortly after I started recording what
Speaker 1: four years ago, and it was really interesting how kind
Speaker 1: of furtive everyone was, you know, as there's this feeling
Speaker 1: of like, oh, you know, no one wanted to even
Speaker 1: you know, bring out their card to pay at the bar.
Speaker 1: Everyone is kind of hiding everything very very you know
Speaker 1: conscious and look like people are very respectful about identity.
Speaker 1: No one's looking for that. But to say, the attitude
Speaker 1: was very guarded. People felt as if like, oh, is
Speaker 1: that is this Charlotteesville all over again?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Is it like that famous clips when the Washington Redskins
Speaker 1: mailed out free tickets to guys with outstanding warrants and
Speaker 1: then you know, the curtain drops and the police are
Speaker 1: there to arrest everyone.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the only the Redskins that did that either,
Speaker 2: people are so fucking stupid. Criminals are so stupid.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can watch those clips and draw your own
Speaker 1: conclusions from them, no further analysis necessary, I think from
Speaker 1: you and IPEd on that front. But there was this
Speaker 1: feeling right that people were sort of waiting for the
Speaker 1: shoe to drop. And in the time since, there have
Speaker 1: been a number of changes. I mentioned that the sort
Speaker 1: of Sperg factor is lowering with each concurrent event. Again,
Speaker 1: you're aware there's some of God's strongest soldiers out there,
Speaker 1: Like you're going to get into maybe one or two
Speaker 1: conversations where there's an intro that was clearly memorized and
Speaker 1: then I guess the guy didn't really know what to
Speaker 1: go after that, but whatever, you know, it happens. But
Speaker 1: that feeling of being afraid is almost completely gone now
Speaker 1: guys are over and over again. I heard the refrain like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just feel so good to be around guys where
Speaker 1: I can say what I think, where I don't feel
Speaker 1: the need to. Is this the wrong audience or you know,
Speaker 1: to use the sort of you know, creative workarounds to
Speaker 1: say what you really think and being free of that
Speaker 1: is awesome. Like, look like, Pete, you and I have
Speaker 1: never been particularly good at hiding what we think, clearly
Speaker 1: based on our career choices. But I get it. You know,
Speaker 1: if you have a corporate job, you don't have that luxury.
Speaker 1: You know, if you live kind of deep behind enemy lines.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the ability to just be honest, fully and
Speaker 1: totally is huge. It's also kind of humbling because, as
Speaker 1: I said, not only is there someone there who knows
Speaker 1: more about your special interests, but you will very quickly
Speaker 1: realize you were not the smartest man in the room.
Speaker 1: At best, you might be around the middle of the
Speaker 1: bell curve. Probably not. I'm not speaking for you, Pete,
Speaker 1: but at least me sort of listening to these conversations
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I am a retard.
Speaker 2: Many many such cases on my part too. Yeah, I'm curious, Pete. Uh.
Speaker 1: Obviously there are fewer speakers than normal, But did you
Speaker 1: notice any any through lines in what the speakers brought up?
Speaker 2: I think one of the main through lines was, without
Speaker 2: actually saying it, was stop arguing on the internet and
Speaker 2: get the hell to work. I mean that seemed to
Speaker 2: be something that I don't think was even planned. I
Speaker 2: think there was one talk that was planned for that,
Speaker 2: but it seemed to be something that a message that
Speaker 2: resonated with everyone. I mean, it wasn't what I had
Speaker 2: planned to talk about when I got up there, But
Speaker 2: when I got up there and you start hearing what
Speaker 2: guys are accomplishing, and I mean I mean amazing. I
Speaker 2: mean we're not going to reveal anything, obviously, but amazing
Speaker 2: things where you're just like, yeah, you know, it's like,
Speaker 2: well maybe that might be a nice town to move
Speaker 2: to now because of what some guys have, what some
Speaker 2: of our guys have been able to accomplish. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're I mean, just get off the internet.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know, I work a job where
Speaker 2: I have a lot of free time, so I can
Speaker 2: write a book to use the time more productively, look
Speaker 2: into just starting a five oho one to see whatever
Speaker 2: for a project you may want. There is no Basically,
Speaker 2: it's come to the point where being online and arguing
Speaker 2: and somebody who in the last twenty four hour, I've
Speaker 2: bet you know, I've posted on Twitter more in the
Speaker 2: last twenty four hours that I had did like the
Speaker 2: past two weeks combined, just because it was like I've
Speaker 2: had a little of excitement, but you know, nothing really
Speaker 2: important that I'm putting out there, but being online, I think,
Speaker 2: and I forget who may have actually used this term,
Speaker 2: you know, to to call out, you know, to harken
Speaker 2: back to coach k is a surrogate activity people are treating.
Speaker 2: It's become a surrogate activity for people like they it's
Speaker 2: an activity for them to do where they actually feel
Speaker 2: like they're accomplishing something. And like I've said, like I
Speaker 2: said from my panel, it seems that really the best
Speaker 2: thing to do for online is to be able to
Speaker 2: network and recruit and maybe find other people. But also
Speaker 2: you know that you're going to use it to reach
Speaker 2: people if that's something you need to do. I mean,
Speaker 2: Facebook is Facebook marketplace is an awesome place for if
Speaker 2: you have a business to have a service, to advertise it.
Speaker 2: If there's a political campaign that you're working with outside
Speaker 2: of the club videos, putting up videos and campaign videos
Speaker 2: and buying ads on you on Facebook. It is great
Speaker 2: because you're reaching older people, and older people vote in
Speaker 2: higher numbers than the younger people do. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: seemed like the through line through all of those all
Speaker 2: those was now it's time to get to work. You know,
Speaker 2: it's you know, we're either we're either going to do this,
Speaker 2: you know what is it. You're we're either going to
Speaker 2: get together and do that we're going to hang separately.
Speaker 2: I think that was what was the what was the
Speaker 2: motto of the the motto of the thing this year,
Speaker 2: either we we together or separately. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 2: it was like together separately and every and you didn't
Speaker 2: have to Nobody there had to be told what that meant,
Speaker 2: even though it's a truncated version of the original, the
Speaker 2: original terminology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that that is sort of
Speaker 1: a wide spread realization. Uh, speaking carefully about this, Uh,
Speaker 1: if you look at the unrest in Belfat, what was
Speaker 1: shocking about it was the organization, right, the level of
Speaker 1: operational security. You know, journalists were even aligned, journalists were
Speaker 1: being turned away. Clearly there was knowledge someone had done
Speaker 1: their area studies right to quib Crib something from Mike Shelby,
Speaker 1: and when the moment was there, people were ready. Now
Speaker 1: at the Jay Burdens Show, we disavow officially all violence.
Speaker 1: Don't do bad things. This is a pro good things channel.
Speaker 1: But that proviso aside, right, you look at that and
Speaker 1: you see how effective it is. Given the back and
Speaker 1: given the organization, something can be done. And you see
Speaker 1: that across the West that people are grouping together. You
Speaker 1: may remember a while back when Antifa killed that French
Speaker 1: teenager right working as security for a I think it
Speaker 1: was a Swiss feminist group, right, something relatively anodyne, but
Speaker 1: he got stomped out, and what was the reaction was
Speaker 1: an organized one, right. And if we look at trend
Speaker 1: lines for our nation, right, the ability to keep order,
Speaker 1: the ability to provide services, there are very few people
Speaker 1: that think that is getting better, that think that we
Speaker 1: are becoming more and more capable at keeping order this
Speaker 1: continent sized country. And so if you assume that, and
Speaker 1: I'm not simply talking about shall we say, kinetic solutions,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about very basic things that are currently socialized.
Speaker 1: You can depend on the government directly or indirectly to
Speaker 1: provide a lot of things for you. But if you
Speaker 1: look at our friends in South Africa who are ahead
Speaker 1: of us, if you look at our friends in Europe,
Speaker 1: who sure you know, they are still first world countries
Speaker 1: but have many of the same violence problems we do, well,
Speaker 1: how are those being solved. Are they being solved through
Speaker 1: official government channels?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: People have been forced to organize, and it's why I
Speaker 1: love talking talking to our South African friends and maybe selfishly, Pete,
Speaker 1: we should see if we can get conscious caricle out
Speaker 1: at the next one. Obviously you know he has. I
Speaker 1: haven't discussed this, and I realized it's poor form to
Speaker 1: suggest something like this live on a podcast. But just
Speaker 1: while I'm thinking, because we see people who have it
Speaker 1: from a certain perspective, so much worse than us demographically, economically,
Speaker 1: I mean, just on a safety level, right, you know,
Speaker 1: there were people there who have loved ones in South Africa,
Speaker 1: and to listen to those stories, it sounds, i mean,
Speaker 1: even by the comparison of certain cities in the American South,
Speaker 1: absolutely horrific. And you see like, oh no, they're doing it,
Speaker 1: They're making it. There is a path through that, but
Speaker 1: not on the individual level. It's funny. I've been reading
Speaker 1: for a discussion with James Pulos, The Moon is a
Speaker 1: Harsh Mistress Bey Hindlin, which is a good book, right,
Speaker 1: It's interesting speculative sci fi, part of his series of
Speaker 1: sort of taking a philosophical idea to its logical conclusion, right, Obviously,
Speaker 1: Starship Troopers the kind of final front of liberalism. This
Speaker 1: is a libertarian novel. And what's interesting about it, it's
Speaker 1: been years since I've gone back through it, is the
Speaker 1: whole thing is both motivated in a philosophy of individual anarchism,
Speaker 1: but to actually do anything, they basically need a system
Speaker 1: of top down control. The irony of course, obviously it
Speaker 1: seems like Highline is aware of it, right, but you
Speaker 1: see that, you know, whether it's in real life, whether
Speaker 1: it's in fiction. To solve big problems, you need organization.
Speaker 1: You can't simply live how you want to live and
Speaker 1: achieve that end. Something that came up in a conversation
Speaker 1: with Harry Robinson was a insight from Moldbug. We were
Speaker 1: talking about parenting. You know, he has a young child
Speaker 1: and the topic of peaceful parenting came up, and it
Speaker 1: reminds me, I've said this before on air of Moldbug's
Speaker 1: remark about libertarians that titarians think you achieve an Kapistan,
Speaker 1: you achieve a society of spontaneous order by acting as
Speaker 1: if it's already the case, And he says that's completely
Speaker 1: and totally wrong. If you're a libertarian, you should be
Speaker 1: a fascist. And regardless of what we think about Curtis Jarvin,
Speaker 1: the man formally known as menshus Moldbug, we can agree
Speaker 1: that's a salient point. Obviously, the connection to peaceful parenting
Speaker 1: is clear. The mistake of the woman trying to convince
Speaker 1: her three year old to put down the candy bar
Speaker 1: and Kroger is that she is treating this child how
Speaker 1: she would want to treat an adult, resolving issues by
Speaker 1: talking about it like, oh hey, Pete, you know I
Speaker 1: was gonna sit there whatever, the kind of minor things
Speaker 1: like that. And in each case it doesn't work. Clearly
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. And so regardless of what your ideal
Speaker 1: end state is, regardless of what your vision of based
Speaker 1: world is, well, step one is exactly the same. And
Speaker 1: you know, to go back to what we said earlier.
Speaker 1: In one hundred years, we can hash that out. And
Speaker 1: you know what, Pete, if you know you're kind of
Speaker 1: ideological descendants are tying me to a stick to set
Speaker 1: me on fire in one hundred years, I okay, fine,
Speaker 1: we can we can hash it out then, but uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, at least in the here and now, you're
Speaker 1: not trying to trans my kids, which is a very
Speaker 1: low barrier, and obviously you and I are friends, will
Speaker 1: pass that point. But you and I are aligned in
Speaker 1: the short to medium term. We want the same things
Speaker 1: regardless of whatever difference is. I'm deliberately using you and
Speaker 1: I because we have very few There are people much
Speaker 1: more different than you and I in this, and there
Speaker 1: will naturally be conflicts that arise from that. But uh, look,
Speaker 1: it is the solution. The question is do you want
Speaker 1: to be part of it or not? And look, there
Speaker 1: are other groups. There are other guys doing this. I
Speaker 1: know guys who are doing other organizations, ones that are
Speaker 1: not exactly the same as what we're doing. And if
Speaker 1: your conclusion is well, your thing is gay and cringe
Speaker 1: and I don't like you, but I'm going to do
Speaker 1: my own, fine, fair enough, we might disagree on that,
Speaker 1: but you can start your own with blackjack and hookers
Speaker 1: and all right, fine, someone will solve this. And I've
Speaker 1: long said I don't really care who solves this issue.
Speaker 1: You know, if the grouper solution is what gets us
Speaker 1: out of this, fine, I'll eat my words. But this
Speaker 1: is a problem that needs to be solved one way
Speaker 1: or the another. Sorry, Pete, that's a massive rant for me,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about the libertarians so and
Speaker 2: so pipeline and how real, how real it was, And
Speaker 2: that was the problem that used to bother libertarians so
Speaker 2: much about it was exactly how real it was. And
Speaker 2: so you realize that, oh yeah, yeah, I actually do
Speaker 2: hold to these libertarian thoughts. But the only way we're
Speaker 2: going to get it is to absolutely destroy our enemies
Speaker 2: who think the complete opposite. But yeah, the I mean,
Speaker 2: don't you said so much there that I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I agree, Yeah, what if? I yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to how much more to? I just
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: Say, Pete, I feel like, in a cosmic sense, we
Speaker 1: need to recognize what four years have brought us the
Speaker 1: man who four years ago was infamous for responding to
Speaker 1: long monologues on his own show by simply saying, I
Speaker 1: agree that the tables have turned. H Now I'm the
Speaker 1: one who won't shut up instead of my debts. It's
Speaker 1: a joke, of course, but yeah, Pete, it's genuinely it's
Speaker 1: incredibly encouraging to go to these events because you see guys,
Speaker 1: even guys who've been there year after year, who are improving,
Speaker 1: We're getting better. I won't blow up his spot, actually
Speaker 1: I will just say his name. But even down to
Speaker 1: relatively minor things like you've got a ton of guys
Speaker 1: there who've in the course of the past four years,
Speaker 1: have you know, gotten married, started children, or had had children,
Speaker 1: started businesses, or even like my buddy Michael Pole, who
Speaker 1: apparently without telling one dropped like seventy five pounds. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like completely almost I didn't recognize I.
Speaker 2: Didn't write a guy either. I sat down and I
Speaker 2: was right next to him, and I was think I
Speaker 2: was talking to cap and and he he just taps
Speaker 2: me on the shoulder. He goes, hey, what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, how you doing? It's Mike Michael Pole.
Speaker 2: I'm like, where where did the.
Speaker 1: Rest of you go? Yeah, and look like I've it's
Speaker 1: it's it's impressive right on the individual level, but you see, like,
Speaker 1: oh no, like these ideas lived out improve your life, right,
Speaker 1: there's a certain academic pleasure to being right. I've taken
Speaker 1: my victory laps as I'm sure everyone else has, but
Speaker 1: it does matter. It's not simply academic. It changes your
Speaker 1: life one way or the other. And we love to
Speaker 1: talk about the sort of negative phrenology of this, right,
Speaker 1: you know the guy who went vegan or you know
Speaker 1: the guy who trooned out, the kind of before and after,
Speaker 1: But there is an inverse effect as well, right, And
Speaker 1: it's incredibly encouraging. But Pete, I've kept you here for
Speaker 1: long enough.
Speaker 2: Just no, no, no, no, no, no, I have to now
Speaker 2: I have to say something something that you said there.
Speaker 2: You know. One of the reasons one of the things
Speaker 2: that you've you became pretty famous for, and you may
Speaker 2: have been one of the first things you ever came
Speaker 2: on my show for, was to talk about how zoomers, uh,
Speaker 2: you just get basically shut out of everything. You can
Speaker 2: do a thousand You put out a thousand job applications,
Speaker 2: and you know you'll hear back from two You won't
Speaker 2: get it. You won't get the job. But it really
Speaker 2: does seem like the people that I've met in this
Speaker 2: especially over the last few years, who have adopted what
Speaker 2: we're talking about and what we're doing, have genuine really
Speaker 2: been able to break through that. It's almost like action
Speaker 2: leads by getting out there and and getting with other
Speaker 2: people and talking action leads to like uncancellation. You're like,
Speaker 2: uncancel yourself now you can because you've gone out there
Speaker 2: and you're not dooming on the internet and you're actually
Speaker 2: going through the steps of doing things in real life.
Speaker 2: Now you're making connections. Now you're one of the guys
Speaker 2: here in Alabama lost his job. This is like a
Speaker 2: few months ago everything, and we immediately were all like,
Speaker 2: just boom, what do we need to do? What do
Speaker 2: we need to do? What do we need to do?
Speaker 2: And within you know, like a couple of days, he's like,
Speaker 2: everybody relaxed. I appreciate it, but I already have a
Speaker 2: line to something else, you know, and that was that's
Speaker 2: not going to have Things like that are not going
Speaker 2: to fix themselves unless you're actually out there doing something.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I've fallen for it in the past that
Speaker 2: you know, you just get into that online doom scroll spiral,
Speaker 2: complain about everything, doom post go for you know, try
Speaker 2: to you know, own every lib and and you know
Speaker 2: and if or whomever it is, and you know, watching
Speaker 2: the guys, seeing what the guys are accomplishing, and how
Speaker 2: how many of these guys are doing really good you know,
Speaker 2: and especially since a lot of them weren't doing good
Speaker 2: just a couple of years ago. It lets you know
Speaker 2: that you're just the what is or used to say,
Speaker 2: the only way out is through, and you're just gonna
Speaker 2: have to break through it, and you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to do something more than just just
Speaker 2: complain about it. And complaining is good. I mean, you
Speaker 2: have to get it off your chest sometimes. But if
Speaker 2: that's all you're doing, well, you know. Yeah, I can
Speaker 2: be accused of concentrating a little too much on one
Speaker 2: group of people, and but I've never said that anything
Speaker 2: wrong in my life, anything that I haven't been able
Speaker 2: to accomplish just because of them. No, but you accomplish
Speaker 2: things in spite of them, you know. I want to
Speaker 2: see this kid at Cornell. I want to see one
Speaker 2: of our guys like hire him and give him so
Speaker 2: that he has a life that it's just that five
Speaker 2: years he can come back and be like, oh, you
Speaker 2: guys tried to cancel me. Look where I am now?
Speaker 2: Fuck you? You know. So, Lord Miles started up a
Speaker 2: a gofund me for him, and I think people should
Speaker 2: try and look it up because it'd be nice if
Speaker 2: we could do for do for him, like what a
Speaker 2: what a bunch of let's say Ultima Americans did for
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony's family.
Speaker 1: Sorry, would call me off guard. I was going through
Speaker 1: the rollodex of what I thought you were gonna go for. Uh,
Speaker 1: actually it's tragic, but Metcalf's dad had the all time
Speaker 1: banger line of Watermelon Felon, which again is someone who's
Speaker 1: somewhat of a subject matter expert. That one caught me
Speaker 1: off guard as well.
Speaker 2: I saw that one too, and I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: file that one away.
Speaker 1: He knows ball. It's the kid to say, well, dude,
Speaker 1: this has been a ton of fun. Genuinely. I always
Speaker 1: enjoyed the chance to speak with you, obviously, but it's
Speaker 1: way more fun right to sit down in person and
Speaker 1: you know, actually, you know, you get to really hang out,
Speaker 1: you know. And I will say that to anyone met
Speaker 1: your mutuals. It's great. You know a guy in a
Speaker 1: group chat, but when he's across the table from him,
Speaker 1: you really know. And the common experience with you know,
Speaker 1: the guys that the new guys that I just met,
Speaker 1: who I've been interact with on the internet for a
Speaker 1: long time you know Thomas, Wayne Riley and Harry Robinson
Speaker 1: as well as many others. You know the kind of
Speaker 1: group chat guys is that one they're exactly the same
Speaker 1: for good or frail, and two like these are good guys.
Speaker 1: It's worth your time, it's worth your money to take
Speaker 1: those connections off the Internet and bring them into real life.
Speaker 1: That said, Pete, where could people find you?
Speaker 2: Pekiana Showpie subsect dot com And yeah, thank you, always
Speaker 2: appreciate you. Sign Jayce.
Speaker 1: Specifically your series with Bagbee that I've plugged a couple
Speaker 1: of times on the sort of antebellum American politics what
Speaker 1: led up to the war between the States, is absolutely excellent.
Speaker 1: If you've been missing bagbee historical content, it is there
Speaker 1: and it is just as high quality. Actually probably this
Speaker 1: is the best of Bagbee. This is what he has
Speaker 1: devoted his life to and it it shows there's been
Speaker 1: a there's sort of the repeat thing that happens when
Speaker 1: you talk to bagby Pete or he will apologize for
Speaker 1: forgetting in an unbroken sort of stream of consciousness historical
Speaker 1: narrative like a character's middle name, and he's so embarrassed,
Speaker 1: like I don't know how I don't know this, and
Speaker 1: I'm listening to it, like that's your takeaway, right, You're
Speaker 1: embarrassed you can't remember this guy's middle name after rattling
Speaker 1: off fifteen hours of high end, well sourced historical content.
Speaker 2: Well, well, mister Bagbee is actually as podcasters like myself
Speaker 2: like me, and you will admit, he is the ultimate
Speaker 2: guest because you ask him a question and then you
Speaker 2: you get to sit back and learn and chill, and
Speaker 2: it makes the editing process so much easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, as uh yeah, well if I did edit,
Speaker 1: it would make it easier. This is gonna drive particularly
Speaker 1: the YouTube guy's nuts. But on the most recent episode
Speaker 1: with Kevin Deanna, there's a segment where he says, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's basically bringing up that there is a certain
Speaker 1: way in which you can attack Israel. It's completely fine, copasatic,
Speaker 1: you can say it everywhere, but if you say this
Speaker 1: about Israel and instead of cut it out, I just
Speaker 1: took that entire like fifteen second bit and just bleeped
Speaker 1: it out only for the YouTube guys, and so it's
Speaker 1: like it's basically it was perfectly time. So it goes
Speaker 1: and you can't say and then just sensor bar for
Speaker 1: the next fifteen seconds, Which is that the most elegant way? No?
Speaker 1: Is it really funny?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And that is really the only way you can motivate
Speaker 1: me to censor something is either I will get nuked
Speaker 1: for this or it would be another way to show
Speaker 1: my audience how much I despise them. But in all seriousness, guys,
Speaker 1: this was great. Thanks for bearing with me on. I
Speaker 1: guess technically you won't notice any content disruption on the
Speaker 1: free feed, but the paid guys are like half an
Speaker 1: episode behind or whatever. Yeah, yeah, us paid guys. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I've gotten the complaint I don't do enough
Speaker 1: for them. But anyway, in all seriousness, we'll be back
Speaker 1: to normally scheduled programming. Pete, I appreciate it, and everyone
Speaker 1: at home keep your head up. Well, I can't last forever.
Speaker 1: Good night,