Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
Speaker 1: I want to welcome Anthony Peak. He is a best
Speaker 1: selling author, lecturer, broadcaster, and leading thinker in the area
Speaker 1: of consciousness studies. His ideas apply scientific reasoning to some
Speaker 1: of the greatest mysteries of the universe. Anthony, Welcome. How
Speaker 1: you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing really well.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having you on your interesting show.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. I've been really
Speaker 1: looking forward to this. I've been following your work for
Speaker 1: a while, and today I wanted to discuss your book
Speaker 1: The Hidden Universe and Investigation into non human intelligences. When
Speaker 1: I first started doing this almost a decade ago now,
Speaker 1: my perspective on non human intelligences was much different than
Speaker 1: it is now, and I'm sure it will continue to
Speaker 1: evolve with new information. But the more I've learned, the
Speaker 1: less I seem to really know, and the time topic
Speaker 1: really seems to broaden exponentially with each new piece of
Speaker 1: information that comes along. So I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: getting your insights into this as well as other realms
Speaker 1: of human consciousness. But this is your first time on.
Speaker 1: Before we get too deep, tell the audience that may
Speaker 1: not be familiar with you. A little bit about yourself
Speaker 1: and your work.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've been writing now for nearly twenty five years now.
Speaker 3: My thirteenth book has recently been published in the USA
Speaker 3: and it will be coming out in the UK in March.
Speaker 3: By background, I'm a sociologist. That was my university training,
Speaker 3: and I also did postgrad work at the London School
Speaker 3: of Economics as well. But the areas I'm interested in
Speaker 3: really is the interface between human beings and what we
Speaker 3: consider to be external reality, and it's something that's fascinated
Speaker 3: me ever since i was a child, and I'm now
Speaker 3: fortunate enough now that because I'm how would we call it,
Speaker 3: probably traditionally published, in the sense that publishers pay me
Speaker 3: to write the books for them and pay me in
Speaker 3: advance and everything, it means that I've been able to
Speaker 3: really concentrate about on my writing. And although I work
Speaker 3: as a management consultant, or have been working as a
Speaker 3: management consultant, I've been in the position that I've been
Speaker 3: able to focus in on my writing more.
Speaker 2: Than anything else.
Speaker 3: And I'm now in the fortunate position that I've got
Speaker 3: books in virtually every single European language and also book
Speaker 3: sales now in the region of around about one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand worldwide, so it's doing quite well. And
Speaker 3: as you said earlier on, I think it's so true
Speaker 3: that statement. The more I know, the less I know,
Speaker 3: because this is exactly how I feel. The deeper you
Speaker 3: get down the rabbit hole, the more confusing it becomes,
Speaker 3: and the more intriguing it becomes.
Speaker 1: Now, what I'd like to start with is a pretty
Speaker 1: broad topic, and we can branch off through the the
Speaker 1: realm of intelligence and the possible entire universe beyond our
Speaker 1: perception that may exist that may be able to interact
Speaker 1: with us. The nature of that is it within our
Speaker 1: consciousness or is our consciousness connected to this field. That's
Speaker 1: some questions that we could delve into. But there does
Speaker 1: seem to be a realm beyond what we can perceive
Speaker 1: with life, with forms of intelligence that can influence us,
Speaker 1: that can interact with us. And we can even put
Speaker 1: ourselves into these altered states to where we can perceive
Speaker 1: these realms a little bit more than normal. And I
Speaker 1: spent about two and a half years immersing myself into
Speaker 1: psychedelic experiences so that I could learn more about this
Speaker 1: because I myself have never had any quote unquote paranormal
Speaker 1: or metaphysical experiences before this, So I was so fascinated
Speaker 1: with these topics I've been doing this show, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to have an experience myself that would help me
Speaker 1: better understand what is happening when we're interacting with these intelligences.
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, even though I immersed myself in
Speaker 1: this and I talk to people like yourself on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, I have more questions every day than any
Speaker 1: answers that I've had. So talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: your understanding of this realm beyond our perception. There seems
Speaker 1: to be different layers to it. There also seems to
Speaker 1: be hierarchies of intelligences. Talk a little bit about your
Speaker 1: understanding of the basics of this, and then we'll branch
Speaker 1: off from.
Speaker 3: There, right, Okay, Anybody who knows me and knows my
Speaker 3: writings know that my starting point is and always will
Speaker 3: be science and logic. And by this I mean real science.
Speaker 3: I don't mean hypothetic. Well to a degree, I mean
Speaker 3: hypothetical science as well. But for me, in order to
Speaker 3: explain what is taking place here, we have to use
Speaker 3: the science as we understand it, or the way in
Speaker 3: which we believe science is going to develop. Now, the
Speaker 3: major point that people tend to miss is the interface
Speaker 3: between consciousness and external reality. Now, consciousness is something that
Speaker 3: seems to just spontaneously appear in the brain for no
Speaker 3: apparent reason. In fact, neurologists have the term They call
Speaker 3: it an epiphenomenon of brain processes, because there is absolutely
Speaker 3: no reason why self referential consciousness should have evolved, because effectively,
Speaker 3: the most effective creatures out there are the ones that
Speaker 3: consponse conspontaneously through instinct, react to the external environment, and
Speaker 3: they can survive perfectly effectively without having to worry about
Speaker 3: falling in love, without worrying about emotions, without worrying about
Speaker 3: hate or love or all these other things. So it
Speaker 3: seems to be a very peculiar thing that's taken place
Speaker 3: within the human brain, and possibly the brains of all
Speaker 3: advanced mammals. Probably we don't know exactly whether dogs and
Speaker 3: cats have suffered referential consciousness, but we know we definitely have.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The question then arises as to where this consciousness comes from. Now,
Speaker 3: as I've said in one of my earlier books, you know,
Speaker 3: is it the addition of one molecule within the brain.
Speaker 3: Is it an addition of one qualk? Is it? Is
Speaker 3: it an amalgam of complexity? It does consciousness just spontaneously
Speaker 3: appear when the brain becomes a certain level of complexity,
Speaker 3: you know, And again this is called the immersion, the immersion,
Speaker 3: that the immersion. There's an argument that it just comes,
Speaker 3: it just happens when things reach a certain level of complexity.
Speaker 3: But this doesn't answer anything. And indeed, way back, I
Speaker 3: think it was in nineteen ninety six, a young Australian
Speaker 3: philosopher by the name of David Chalmers stood up at
Speaker 3: the University of Arizona. I don't know if you know,
Speaker 3: but every year there's this huge event at the University
Speaker 3: of Arizona that they discussed consciousness. And he shook everybody
Speaker 3: by turning around and saying that there are two major
Speaker 3: issues with science and with the brain. There's the soft
Speaker 3: problem of the brain, which is understanding how the brain works,
Speaker 3: how the neurochemicals work, how the neurotransmitters work, how the
Speaker 3: synapses work, and how communication crosses the brain. But then
Speaker 3: there's the hard problem, which is exactly what he called it.
Speaker 3: It's the hard problem of consciousness. How does what is
Speaker 3: technically inanimate matter, These are electrons and quarks technically reacting
Speaker 3: within electromagnetic fields, how do they create consciousness? How do
Speaker 3: they create beings? That I said before, worry about things,
Speaker 3: have dreams, have perceptions, and we are not even at
Speaker 3: first base at this. So this is the first thing
Speaker 3: that we need to understand is we have no understanding
Speaker 3: of what consciousness is. So therefore we have no understanding
Speaker 3: of whatever that entity is in our head that is
Speaker 3: observing the world around us. So when we talk about
Speaker 3: coming across entities, we have to really start going right
Speaker 3: back to say, well, what is doing the perceiving of
Speaker 3: the entities in the first place. Then we need to
Speaker 3: look into how the brain processes information. Now, there is
Speaker 3: a beautiful term that's used by by consciousness studies experts,
Speaker 3: and it's called naive realism. And what naive realism is
Speaker 3: in effect, is that anybody who believes that there's a
Speaker 3: one to one relationship between you see, what you hear,
Speaker 3: what you taste, what you touch with what is physically
Speaker 3: out there is being phenomenally naive because everything that you
Speaker 3: are perceiving now from your visual systems to the sounds
Speaker 3: and everything else is being processed by your brain. You know,
Speaker 3: you don't have a direct interface with physical reality. And
Speaker 3: I use the argument here for example, as a simple
Speaker 3: example of this, that people think they touch things. You
Speaker 3: think you're touching something when you sit on a churn
Speaker 3: and you feel that your backside is touching the chair,
Speaker 3: it's not. What is happening is that you're hovering above
Speaker 3: the chair. Because there's something called electrostatic repulsion, which, effectively,
Speaker 3: in simple terms, the outer shells of every atom in
Speaker 3: every molecule has an electron whizzing past in the outer shell.
Speaker 3: That electron is negatively charged, as are the electrons in
Speaker 3: the atoms in your fingers. So when you touch something,
Speaker 3: what effectively is happening As you approach a physical object,
Speaker 3: what happens is you remember with magnets like charges repel.
Speaker 3: Now this is what happens. You literally you never touch it.
Speaker 3: What you feel is the electrostatic energy. You do not fit,
Speaker 3: You do not touch anything. So suddenly the idea of
Speaker 3: reality being out there and you can touch it, the
Speaker 3: idea that something is technically tangible, Reality isn't tangible, It
Speaker 3: is not touchable. We never interface with it. Then we
Speaker 3: come back to the idea of oh, well we see things,
Speaker 3: Well we don't. Actually what we do is is a
Speaker 3: photon of light, which uncertain circumstances, can be a wave
Speaker 3: or a particle, depending on whether it's observed or not,
Speaker 3: depending on whether it's measured, which is something we can
Speaker 3: touch upon later. But effectively, a series of photons of
Speaker 3: light go into your eye and then they hit the
Speaker 3: retina at the back of the eye. They are then
Speaker 3: converted into electrochemical signal which then it is taken. Now
Speaker 3: the retina, which is where the technically the image in
Speaker 3: raised commas for visual reality is created, is at the
Speaker 3: back of the eye and its postage stamp size, and
Speaker 3: it's inverted those signals from that postage stamp image goes
Speaker 3: along the optic nerve, crosses what's called the optic chasma,
Speaker 3: which we'll touch on later because it's crucial as a
Speaker 3: concept overall hypothesis. It then goes back to the darkest
Speaker 3: part of the brain, the visual cortex behind the ears,
Speaker 3: and it is there that these this information, which is
Speaker 3: basically what it is, is suddenly processed by the visual
Speaker 3: cortex to create this surrounding imagery that is massive that
Speaker 3: fills your visual field, and it has depth, it has color,
Speaker 3: it has all these things. But it is literally just
Speaker 3: a signal. The actual imagery is not in your eyes.
Speaker 3: The imagery is created by your visual cortex, which is
Speaker 3: then presented to this magical consciousness thing, whatever it is
Speaker 3: that happens to be in your brain. So when scientists
Speaker 3: make these ground statements that they understand fully what is
Speaker 3: happening in the true nature of reality, it's nonsense, you know,
Speaker 3: it's hubris. We have a scientific model that is very
Speaker 3: effective at describing things, but it doesn't describe in detail.
Speaker 3: And this is why many many skeptics avoid engaging with me,
Speaker 3: because they tend to think that it's going to be
Speaker 3: easy to engage with somebody who is interested in this
Speaker 3: kind of subject. What they don't expect is somebody who's
Speaker 3: acting going down to the quantum mechanics, that is actually
Speaker 3: going down to the neurology, going down to the consciousness studies,
Speaker 3: going down to how we perceive things and perception studies.
Speaker 3: So then we start to realize that the whole idea
Speaker 3: of out there and in here starts to dissolve. It's
Speaker 3: suddenly starts to disappear, and suddenly we're starting to realize, well,
Speaker 3: what exactly is that external reality out there? What is
Speaker 3: its true nature? Now, latest research over many years is
Speaker 3: coming to the conclusion that what is out there is
Speaker 3: holographic in nature, and its basis is information. It's data,
Speaker 3: and it is being processed by the brain from somewhere
Speaker 3: else and literally projected out into this external reality. Now again,
Speaker 3: we think that we see everything there is to see,
Speaker 3: but that isn't We see a very tiny part of
Speaker 3: the electromagnetic spectrum, which we think is the visual world,
Speaker 3: all the colors we see.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I came up with an example of this a few
Speaker 3: years ago for one of my books, and I said,
Speaker 3: the imagine the electromagnetic spectrum that is effectively light and
Speaker 3: all the other elements of electromagnetic energy, and they go
Speaker 3: from gamma rays at one end to radio waves in
Speaker 3: the other. So they're very fast and very highly energetic
Speaker 3: at one end, and they're very slow moving and everything else.
Speaker 2: At the other.
Speaker 3: Now, if that electromagnetic field was the Mississippi River, you know,
Speaker 3: it starts in a little lake in Minnesota, and it
Speaker 3: warns its way through the center of the United States
Speaker 3: and it comes out in the Gulf of Mexico. The
Speaker 3: visual world that we think is everything that possibly is
Speaker 3: is one and a half inches around about eight miles
Speaker 3: south of Hannibal, Missouri. So there is all this thing
Speaker 3: we cannot see because our senses cut us down, and
Speaker 3: in them we come down to the fact of colors themselves.
Speaker 3: There's no such thing as red or blue or green.
Speaker 3: They're just vibrational states of the electromagnetic spectrum that our
Speaker 3: brain interprets as being red. So there is no red.
Speaker 3: You cannot literally take it as red, all, okay. So
Speaker 3: then we then start to move into then, well what
Speaker 3: is really going on here? You know, suddenly everything we
Speaker 3: think is real isn't. And there's been some astonishing research
Speaker 3: done recently in and I cited in my latest book,
Speaker 3: and it's been a local university here, the University of Sussex,
Speaker 3: and they've been doing research on psilocybin magic mushrooms, And
Speaker 3: what they wanted to know was that when somebody has
Speaker 3: an hallucinogenic substance magic muthrooms, d MT hiahuasca, whatever, we
Speaker 3: want to talk about what actually happens in the brain. Now,
Speaker 3: the logical conclusion the scientists believed was that. I think
Speaker 3: it's annal Seth is the guy that's been doing this work,
Speaker 3: by the way, and I think that they came to
Speaker 3: the conclusion that what must happen in the brain is
Speaker 3: that when we have hallucination, when a psychedelic substance causes
Speaker 3: hallucinations in the brain, what it does is it makes
Speaker 3: parts of the brain communic quicker, which creates the hallucinations.
Speaker 3: You know, we start to associate things in different ways
Speaker 3: like we do when we dream. So what they did
Speaker 3: was they had somebody take magic mushrooms and then they
Speaker 3: scan the brain using hyper definition PET scans and fMRI
Speaker 3: scans and everything, so they could scan literally what was
Speaker 3: happening in the brain. Much to their astonishment, they discovered
Speaker 3: that the psychedelic substance in psilocybin switches the brain's ability off.
Speaker 3: It switches part of the brain off, brain activity starts
Speaker 3: to cease. Now this is extraordinary because it means effectively
Speaker 3: that what is taking place is that the hallucinationy substance
Speaker 3: is actually stopping the brain's ability to be an attenuator.
Speaker 3: It's stopping the brain's ability to cut out information. So
Speaker 3: what the psilocybin does and what ayahuasca does and DMT
Speaker 3: does is it cuts down the brain, so we're perceiving
Speaker 3: a broader reality. And it's in not broader reality that
Speaker 3: we find the entities. We find all these weird and
Speaker 3: wonderful things that have intrigued my kind since forever.
Speaker 1: Now this brings us to the actual experience and whether
Speaker 1: or not it'll be positive or negative, what types of
Speaker 1: entities we're interacting with. And I've discovered, based on my
Speaker 1: own experiences, that it is heavily filtered through our perception,
Speaker 1: through our previous experiences, through our traumas. And as an example,
Speaker 1: when I first started utilizing psilocybin, the experiences were very
Speaker 1: dark and it brought up a lot of trauma, a
Speaker 1: lot of things I had to work through, and I
Speaker 1: was presented with evil, malevolent entities that represented some of
Speaker 1: this trauma. And it wasn't un till I started healing
Speaker 1: working through this at the experiences became more beautiful, the
Speaker 1: entities became more benevolent, and it completely shifted as I
Speaker 1: healed myself. And this seems to also correspond to people's
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences. I find it very interesting that trauma can
Speaker 1: trigger a lot of early paranormal experiences in people, and
Speaker 1: it seems to be heavily connected to where we're at
Speaker 1: with our perception, the way we view things, our emotions.
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3: Totally, completely and utterly.
Speaker 2: In fact, in.
Speaker 3: My book The Hidden Universe, the central theme of that,
Speaker 3: I'm discussing something I call the aggregorial And by the aggregoria,
Speaker 3: I mean that we are all co creating reality. Literally
Speaker 3: by the act of observation, we are collapsing. What's in
Speaker 3: technical terms, we are collapsing the wave function. In quantum mechanics,
Speaker 3: it is known that until some thing is until the
Speaker 3: subatomic particle is measured or observed, it is literally a
Speaker 3: statistical wave. It is literally that it doesn't even exist
Speaker 3: in reality in any shape or form. But when we
Speaker 3: observe something or measure it, it literally collapses from being
Speaker 3: a statistical wave that a particle will be in one
Speaker 3: location or another, it suddenly becomes an actual point particle
Speaker 3: with a position in space and time. And science is
Speaker 3: completely confused about this as to how this can possibly happen.
Speaker 3: So there seems to be a one to one relationship
Speaker 3: between what we're thinking and what we're experiencing now again,
Speaker 3: this is one of the big issues of quantum mechanics.
Speaker 3: And in fact, in the nineteen thirties there was a
Speaker 3: massive schism in quantum mechanics because there were individuals who
Speaker 3: were the followers of Niels Bohr and his group in
Speaker 3: Copenhagen in Denmark, and the Copenhagen interpretation effectively says exactly
Speaker 3: that that there is a relationship between the observer and
Speaker 3: the observed and there's the feed mechanism going on. Now,
Speaker 3: this has always intrigued me because if this is the case,
Speaker 3: and I mean, I don't know if you remember, but
Speaker 3: there was a very famous statement made by Albert Einstein,
Speaker 3: who disliked to this idea of this observer effect, and
Speaker 3: he once turned round to Neil Spohr and said something
Speaker 3: along the lines of I cannot believe that the moon
Speaker 3: isn't there if I'm not looking at it. And he
Speaker 3: effectively came up with a series of thought experiments to
Speaker 3: disprove the idea of this, and without going into detail,
Speaker 3: he worked with it with two other associates, Podolskian Rosen,
Speaker 3: and they came up with something called the Einstein Pandolski
Speaker 3: Rosen thought experiment. Now, and won't go into detail about this,
Speaker 3: but he was wrong. He was proven wrong, and he
Speaker 3: was proven wrong mathematically. In nineteen sixty four, I think
Speaker 3: when an Irish physicist at Cerne called John Bell came
Speaker 3: up with something called Bell's inequality. Then in nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 3: a group of scientists at the University of Paris, the
Speaker 3: Division of Optics, Dallabard and Aline Aspe and these associates,
Speaker 3: they actually discovered that sub atomic particles, when they are
Speaker 3: placed in the same quantum state and then they are
Speaker 3: split apart, they can communicate instantaneously. So suddenly we have
Speaker 3: this universe where information can be transferred instantaneously. And the
Speaker 3: vast majority of people are not aware of these experiments.
Speaker 3: They do not know about them. So if people were
Speaker 3: aware of the level that the stuff we're interested in
Speaker 3: can be proven scientifically, they would completely change their mind.
Speaker 3: Now going back to this, so I argue that, as
Speaker 3: you rightly say, when we encounter these aliens, when we
Speaker 3: encounter these entities, when we counter the DMT gnomes, the elves,
Speaker 3: the DMT elves you know of Terence McKenna and everything,
Speaker 3: what we're actually doing is we're anticipating them we're expecting them,
Speaker 3: but they're expecting us as well, because we are creating them.
Speaker 3: But they have independence, if that makes sense. And this
Speaker 3: is why I use the term aggregorial. Eggregorial comes from
Speaker 3: the magic traditions, the idea that you can create a
Speaker 3: thought form. Now, for instance, people like John d and
Speaker 3: a lot of the alchemists in the fourteenth, fifteenth, and
Speaker 3: sixteenth centuries, we're working on this. The idea that you
Speaker 3: can create a thought form and you can then manipulate
Speaker 3: it to have power. Now, this is a very intriguing
Speaker 3: concept because at least A Crowley was trying to do
Speaker 3: this as well as were various other individuals. And again
Speaker 3: it's the idea of using quantum mechanics, before quantum mechanics
Speaker 3: was even understood, so the idea of being able to
Speaker 3: manipulate reality. Now, the eggrigors is the word I'm using.
Speaker 3: Eggregory is a quite precise term because it comes from
Speaker 3: ancient Greek and it means watchers and the egrigors. The
Speaker 3: word egrigor is from Biblical Greek, and it's the idea
Speaker 3: that there are entities that are watching us, but these
Speaker 3: egrigors also it's it's considered to be something we can create,
Speaker 3: something we can bring about. Now again, have you are
Speaker 3: you aware of the I think it was nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one, the the Toronto Experiment.
Speaker 1: And don't think i've form lt with this.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, this is quite extraordinary, and I've cited it
Speaker 3: in a couple of my books. Now it was a
Speaker 3: group of psychologists, well they were. They were the family
Speaker 3: of a group of psychologists the University of Toronto. And
Speaker 3: every Sunday night they used to they used to meet up,
Speaker 3: have a few drinks and then they play weedja board,
Speaker 3: so they play Weija, and of course the glass would
Speaker 3: move and they get messages. And because they were psychologists,
Speaker 3: they thought, now this is extraordinary. Does this mean that
Speaker 3: we are subliminally moving the glass? But if we are,
Speaker 3: we're getting answers, So it must be one of us
Speaker 3: is either pushing it or we're all doing it collectively
Speaker 3: and unaware we're doing it. So what they decided to
Speaker 3: do was quite clever. They send one of the members
Speaker 3: of the group away to create a ghost, and the
Speaker 3: lady went away and she wrote a story about a
Speaker 3: guy called Philip Ailsford. And Alsford lived in the sixteen
Speaker 3: sixties sixteen seventies in the Midlands in the year here
Speaker 3: in the UK. She made out that he was a
Speaker 3: lord of a manor, and she said he lived in
Speaker 3: this specific castle, which is actually a castle in the Midlands,
Speaker 3: but he never existed. She made out that he was
Speaker 3: a Catholic, so therefore after the English Civil War, Catholics
Speaker 3: were a bit of outsiders, particularly the Catholic gentry. And
Speaker 3: he was also in a loveless marriage and one day
Speaker 3: he meets this gypsy woman, falls in love with her,
Speaker 3: his wife finds out, and he commits suicide by jumping
Speaker 3: off the battlements of the castle. So she made up
Speaker 3: this story and then they said, well, let's see if
Speaker 3: this will come through using WIJA, and it did. Philip
Speaker 3: manifested and started talking to them and telling them things,
Speaker 3: and they thought, this is quite odd. This again, is
Speaker 3: this us doing it subliminally because none of us are trying.
Speaker 2: To do this.
Speaker 3: But then it started to give information that they weren't
Speaker 3: aware of, and it started to then cause poltergeist activity.
Speaker 3: It then made the table turned and started moving as
Speaker 3: they were playing with it. And indeed, if you go
Speaker 3: on to YouTube, they did. They did, They were interviewed
Speaker 3: on Toronto TV. It's on a YouTube video. You can
Speaker 3: watch this, and they did it live and the table
Speaker 3: was moving in the studio. Now this intrigued me because
Speaker 3: it means that we can, by our anticipation bring enterity
Speaker 3: He's into existence that are independent of us. And we
Speaker 3: know this from the creation of Tulpa's and Tulper's are
Speaker 3: beings that in Tibetan Buddhism they create. And there was
Speaker 3: a lady called Alexander Neil who was traveling into bet
Speaker 3: in the nineteen twenties and her and her associates created
Speaker 3: at Tulpa. They created this little that they thought about
Speaker 3: it and created this little monk, very friendly, retund and happy,
Speaker 3: and he followed them as they were traveling. They could
Speaker 3: see it, they could all see it. And then it
Speaker 3: started getting malevolent and it started to get nasty, and
Speaker 3: they realized that they created something they couldn't control, so
Speaker 3: they had to literally all collectively think it out of existence.
Speaker 3: Now this effect intrigued me amazingly because is this what
Speaker 3: we are doing when we create, when we meet DMT entities?
Speaker 3: Is this is what happening with poltergeist activity? Is this
Speaker 3: is this what is happening when we have we see
Speaker 3: ghosts now again the strong evidence for this, you know,
Speaker 3: and again there is an associate of mine who is
Speaker 3: involved in direct research with dimethyl trip to mean at
Speaker 3: Imperial College in London, and there is a perfectly legal
Speaker 3: sponsored set of research taking place there at the moment.
Speaker 3: And what is happening is individuals are volunteering to take
Speaker 3: dimethyl trip to mean intravenously, and when they take it interveniously,
Speaker 3: they're then they're they're having their brain scanned and when
Speaker 3: they come to they're reporting what happens to them. Now,
Speaker 3: my friend told me this. He's a university lecturer, very
Speaker 3: bright guy, and he was telling me when he did it,
Speaker 3: he took the DMT and he find himself inside the
Speaker 3: DMT zone and he's inside the DMT zone and he said,
Speaker 3: this entity, this alien, this insectoid alien, came over to him,
Speaker 3: ad him right in the face and prodded his shoulder
Speaker 3: and said, you shouldn't be doing it this way. This
Speaker 3: is not the way you should do it. Don't do it,
Speaker 3: and then it backed away into the darkness. So Carl
Speaker 3: comes back down. Two weeks later, he takes the DMT again,
Speaker 3: finds himself into the DMT cage. The same creature came over,
Speaker 3: prodded him again and said, I told you last time,
Speaker 3: this is not how you should be doing it now.
Speaker 3: As Carl said to me, that creature, if that was
Speaker 3: just a part of my subconscious manifesting, it was telling
Speaker 3: me something I didn't want to hear now again. My
Speaker 3: latest book is on neo death experiences, and I'm fascinated
Speaker 3: by the role of the Being of Light in near
Speaker 3: death experiences because the being of light is the entity
Speaker 3: that people encounter when they have a neo death experience
Speaker 3: that guides them. Now, what is fascinating about this It
Speaker 3: is very culturally based. The being of light will be
Speaker 3: Jesus if you're from a Western Christian tradition, but if
Speaker 3: you're from a Hindu tradition, it will be completely different.
Speaker 3: It could be Ganish or whatever. Also, and this is
Speaker 3: fascinating is young children when they have near death experiences,
Speaker 3: the being of light is Mickey Mouse or school friends
Speaker 3: or cartoon characters, living people or fictional people. So whatever
Speaker 3: the being of light is, it's what we expect it
Speaker 3: to be, what we want to meet, but it is
Speaker 3: independent of us because it gives information that the person
Speaker 3: couldn't possibly know. And again in my books, I argue,
Speaker 3: this is an entity I call the Damon, and if
Speaker 3: we have time, we can talk about that as well.
Speaker 3: So your experiences are extraordinary. So you're quite right, you know,
Speaker 3: just like dreams are created from our hopes and our fears,
Speaker 3: but we're in a dreamscape that's independent of us, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Who is the brick alure? Who is the person that
Speaker 3: is creating your dreams? There's a story we have in
Speaker 3: a dream. There's a narrative. Now. People when they lucid dream,
Speaker 3: when they've become self aware in dream states, they exist
Speaker 3: in a reality that is a facsimile of this one.
Speaker 3: But isn't this one?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: This is massive, huge area.
Speaker 1: Right now, I want to explore something you just mentioned
Speaker 1: that this group that was researching the thought forms and
Speaker 1: actually created the Monk thought form that eventually, you said,
Speaker 1: turned nasty. And I've heard this many times with people
Speaker 1: that dabble in things like the Ouiji board, and the
Speaker 1: energy or entity or intelligence that comes forward may start
Speaker 1: as something that seems benevolent and helpful, but will eventually
Speaker 1: turn on them and turn into something very malevolent seeming.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what is happening here? And
Speaker 1: it seems to be whenever we initiate this contact and
Speaker 1: attempt to bring it into our reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems that there seems to be initially the
Speaker 3: whatever they are need our approval and need our wanting
Speaker 3: to bring them more in and they use that because
Speaker 3: they seem to be some kind of parasitic life form
Speaker 3: that seems to There is an associate of mine who
Speaker 3: died last year, I think it rather sadly called Paulino.
Speaker 3: And Paulino is an ex Catholic priest who ran a
Speaker 3: ghost hunting group in Rhode Island, and he had a
Speaker 3: fascinating podcast he used to do with this sun Ben
Speaker 3: really really good.
Speaker 2: You can need to check it out. It's very good.
Speaker 3: And in his work he became convinced that ghosts and
Speaker 3: entities are plasma life forms. They seem to feed off plasma.
Speaker 3: They seem to feed off energy, but they also seem
Speaker 3: to feed off fear. And what they need to do
Speaker 3: is initially they need us to come forward, but once
Speaker 3: they get to a certain point, they need to then
Speaker 3: scur us. They need us to fear them, and they
Speaker 3: feed on that which makes them stronger. Now, this is
Speaker 3: an extraordinary idea, this idea of parasitic, a parasitic life
Speaker 3: form that's using energy, because it does seem it, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: You know that, you know when people have you know,
Speaker 3: I write extent of written extensively about alien abductions. And
Speaker 3: again when you come across alien abductions, the aliens when
Speaker 3: they first started seemed to be a benevolent didn't they
Speaker 3: the space brothers of the nineteen fifties and also you know,
Speaker 3: going back to the eighteen nineties, you know, the guys
Speaker 3: with the airships. They were human and they were benevolent.
Speaker 3: But what tended to happen if you notice the UFO
Speaker 3: theme throughout the years, it tracks our culture, it tracks
Speaker 3: our expectations, and it tracks our technology. So in the
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties you had the Nordics and everything else, and
Speaker 3: then in the nineteen sixties then had the the the gray,
Speaker 3: the gray aliens, you know, and recent research. I think
Speaker 3: I remember this as a kid as well, that the
Speaker 3: first time I saw what would we termed an alien
Speaker 3: gray was in a TV series called The Outer Limits,
Speaker 3: when there was something called I think the Bellasamo Shield
Speaker 3: or something, which was one of the episodes where there
Speaker 3: was an alien gray or something like an alien gray.
Speaker 2: Then we had the.
Speaker 3: The t remember that you're Tati young to remember, but
Speaker 3: there were these bubblegum cards called Mars Attacks, which they
Speaker 3: made the TV series out of the aliens then had
Speaker 3: exposed brains and things. So then we find that they
Speaker 3: start to look like proper what we expect to be aliens.
Speaker 3: It's again as if they have this kind of shield
Speaker 3: where they can disguise themselves, where they can shape shift.
Speaker 3: But of course they've been shape shifting for millennia. We
Speaker 3: know them from you know, the the the the two
Speaker 3: Da Danon in Ireland. You have the the l you
Speaker 3: have the little people who are again turned dangerous. You know,
Speaker 3: fairies themselves, you know, can be very very dangerous creatures.
Speaker 3: So clearly that's what happens. They they become more dangerous
Speaker 3: as they use.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting, the possibility that the entire Ufo
Speaker 1: phenomena could be a form of these etheric parasites that
Speaker 1: have infected us through these thought forms, and they perpetuate
Speaker 1: themselves because we are giving it strength. They are feeding
Speaker 1: off of us, and we are in turn giving it
Speaker 1: the energy to evolve into something. Could it be that
Speaker 1: we are being led to the quote unquote alien invasion,
Speaker 1: but it's not how we think it'll be. It'll be
Speaker 1: more of a mind invasion.
Speaker 3: Well, this is fascinating, as you probably know this summer, well,
Speaker 3: in the last weekend in mayl for the fourth year
Speaker 3: on the trotality speaking at Contact in the desert in
Speaker 3: southern California. And this is the biggest event of UFOs
Speaker 3: or UFO research in the world. You know, you get
Speaker 3: thousands of people turn up and virtually everybody in the
Speaker 3: UFO world speaks at at this event. It's massive, and
Speaker 3: it's if you can get it's absolutely extraordinary. And last
Speaker 3: year while I was there, because I was one of
Speaker 3: the talent in raised commas, there were things that I had
Speaker 3: to be doing all the time. But they have UFO
Speaker 3: watches and they would go outside of the resort or
Speaker 3: out into the desert to see if they could see
Speaker 3: UFOs and they came back really excitedly one evening and
Speaker 3: a UFO would manifest and it had flown over the
Speaker 3: group at super speed and then disappeared, and then twenty
Speaker 3: minutes later it came back again. Now this was in
Speaker 3: downtown Indian Wells in California. I will guarantee that nobody
Speaker 3: else outside of the UFO group saw that saw that machine.
Speaker 3: But they did. Now it seems to be that their
Speaker 3: anticipations were sufficient to draw it in to their worldview.
Speaker 3: You know, I was saying that we create our reality,
Speaker 3: so therefore we can then co create reality when there's
Speaker 3: a group of us.
Speaker 2: We know that when groups.
Speaker 3: Of people get together, they can recreate again something called
Speaker 3: an eggregre, which is greater than themselves. It's the third
Speaker 3: Man syndrome. You know, you put two people together, they resonate.
Speaker 3: There's something greater than the group. Now, the fascinating thing
Speaker 3: was was up before I went to America, and I
Speaker 3: did an event in South End here in the UK,
Speaker 3: and at the end of my talk a lady came
Speaker 3: over to me and she showed me a video. Now
Speaker 3: this is extraordinary. She showed me a video she'd taken
Speaker 3: on her phone and she's looking out of her flat
Speaker 3: overlooking the sea, the English Channel off South End, and
Speaker 3: she's looking at the Thames Estuary and she's looking out
Speaker 3: and you see these objects start flying in the distance
Speaker 3: in sequence, and they're flying in a line and then
Speaker 3: moving and one moves to the front and one moved
Speaker 3: to the back, and they're flying in a line, and
Speaker 3: she's you can hear her talking to what I thought
Speaker 3: was talking to herself, and she's going, my god, can
Speaker 3: you see that? And then you hear a voice next
Speaker 3: to her, and it's a woman standing there with her,
Speaker 3: and the woman standing next to her couldn't see it,
Speaker 3: and she's saying, can't you see them? I'm filming them,
Speaker 3: can't you see them? And she said, no, I can't
Speaker 3: see anything. So then she thought it was marks on
Speaker 3: the window, so she opened the window and they were
Speaker 3: still there. And then she then stopped the filming and
Speaker 3: she said, well, if you didn't see it, it was obviously
Speaker 3: in my mind. So they weren't really there. They won't
Speaker 3: be on the film, but they were. So what is
Speaker 3: happening here is that her intention was so powerful that
Speaker 3: she thought she was seeing UFOs, which they were real,
Speaker 3: but she seemed to be able to create them on
Speaker 3: a video film that somebody else who was a witness
Speaker 3: to it did not see. And this is why I believe,
Speaker 3: For example, as a sociologist, I've always been fascinated by
Speaker 3: the sociology of belief, the sociology of religion, and I
Speaker 3: genuinely believe people who strongly enough believe in a religion
Speaker 3: and their group believe in that religion, that religion becomes
Speaker 3: real to them and they see things that reinforces that religion, like,
Speaker 3: for example, example, you know in Fatima, when the sun
Speaker 3: spun in the sky in nineteen seventeen, something happened, people
Speaker 3: saw it. So it seems to be that we anticipate
Speaker 3: and create things, and if we feel negatively about things
Speaker 3: and we feel fearful, we create these negative entities that
Speaker 3: surround us and use us in one way or another.
Speaker 3: Now again, I had a long conversation with Whitley Strieber
Speaker 3: when I was at Contact in the Desert. I've known
Speaker 3: Whitley for years and he came along to one of
Speaker 3: my lectures and was really intrigued by the angle I'm
Speaker 3: taking on these things. And Whitley is of the same
Speaker 3: opinion that the others, the visits, tos that he meets,
Speaker 3: they're part of his psychology. They've been with him since childhood.
Speaker 3: And I spoke to various contact Ease at that event.
Speaker 3: These genuine people, they are not they are hallucinating in
Speaker 3: the loosest term of the word, but it's still real,
Speaker 3: and it's real to them.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's is, whether it is consciously known
Speaker 1: or there is some sort of parasitic influence, that there
Speaker 1: is an ongoing effort to bring this alien eggregor into reality.
Speaker 3: No, I think so, And I think that the more
Speaker 3: we talk about this, the more it becomes stronger, and
Speaker 3: it just tells us that the true nature of reality
Speaker 3: is far more mysterious than we can ever imagine, far
Speaker 3: more interesting. Now, if it is true that at its
Speaker 3: basic level, everything that is physically real, because in fact,
Speaker 3: there's no such thing as physically real, you know that
Speaker 3: everything we think is solid. As I mentioned before, we
Speaker 3: never touch anything, but there's nothing there anyway reality. You know,
Speaker 3: if you look inside the atom, the atom is ninety
Speaker 3: The hydrogen atom, as an example, is ninety nine point
Speaker 3: nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine
Speaker 3: nine nine nine six empty space, and the physical objects
Speaker 3: that are in there, the quarks and the electrons, are
Speaker 3: point particles, which means they have no extension in space.
Speaker 3: And everything is made up of these things. There is,
Speaker 3: everything is made up of atoms, and yet they are
Speaker 3: mostly empty space. So where is the illusion of physical
Speaker 3: reality taking place? And it's because even the atoms them,
Speaker 3: I would argue, they are not structures in the way
Speaker 3: we understand them. They are mathematical structures. They are bits
Speaker 3: of information, and information is the basis of everything. And
Speaker 3: again the latest research is and it's all to do
Speaker 3: with black holes. It's quite intriguing. And in my books
Speaker 3: I discuss this, the idea that black holes in some
Speaker 3: way and dark matter and dark energy are creating the
Speaker 3: information field that we perceive as being physical reality and
Speaker 3: the information field. And again, don't think this is this
Speaker 3: is this is wacko nonsense. This is actually based upon
Speaker 3: solid research. For instance, if anybody is interested to get
Speaker 3: hold of a book called Our Mathematical Universe by a
Speaker 3: guy called Professor Max Tegmark. That is a professor Max
Speaker 3: tegment is one of the world's leading cosmologists. He is
Speaker 3: very much an agreement with the many world's interpretation of
Speaker 3: quantum mechanics, the idea that there are literally trillions of
Speaker 3: universes and we just happen to exist in on but
Speaker 3: there are versions of us in every other universe, so
Speaker 3: it is far more complex. It's like the final sequence.
Speaker 3: I always use as an example the movie Interstellar, where
Speaker 3: they have what's called the Tesseract sequence, where the main
Speaker 3: character looks back on the life of his daughter and
Speaker 3: he sees all these things. And it's to do with
Speaker 3: dimensions of space. It's to do with the idea that
Speaker 3: there are other dimensions of space time. But I very
Speaker 3: much use the word dimensions in its literal sense. A
Speaker 3: dimension is literally just a measurement of area. So a
Speaker 3: one dimension is one point Two dimensions are aligne. Three
Speaker 3: dimensions are a square, four dimensions are a cube, this
Speaker 3: kind of thing. So there are dimensions that we can't
Speaker 3: perceive that things can exist in. But if everything is information,
Speaker 3: this is going back to the matrix. The movies, you know,
Speaker 3: they were very perceptive and what they're talking about there
Speaker 3: because they think that the issue is with black holes
Speaker 3: is that when you drop, say you had a computer
Speaker 3: and you threw it into a black hole, technically all
Speaker 3: the information on that computer hard drive would be destroyed.
Speaker 3: It would cease to exist. But energy, but information is energy,
Speaker 3: and energy cannot be destroyed. It can only be changed
Speaker 3: into something else. And what they argue is that literally
Speaker 3: around the edges of all the black holes are smeared
Speaker 3: the information containing and explaining everything that's been sucked into.
Speaker 2: That black hole.
Speaker 3: Wow, and it's on the edge of the event horizon. Now,
Speaker 3: this is again science. Now they also did it. Now
Speaker 3: I don't know how they did this. This is extraordinary.
Speaker 3: If you can bear with me for a second on this.
Speaker 3: They decided they wanted to know how much bits of
Speaker 3: information would be needed to describe the universe as we
Speaker 3: know it is. And they calculated some huge figure of
Speaker 3: the amount of individual bits needed to describe the universe.
Speaker 3: They then looked at the universe, and you know, the
Speaker 3: universe has been expanding for thirteen point seven billion years,
Speaker 3: and it's been expanding outwards into what we don't know,
Speaker 3: But it's been expanding because space expands within space. Now,
Speaker 3: if it's like a huge sphere, we're on the inside
Speaker 3: of a huge sphere that's expanding outwards, and it's expanding
Speaker 3: outwards continually. Now, they then calculated, are the inside surface
Speaker 3: of this huge sphere how many plank squares are that
Speaker 3: the plank square, the plank length is the smallest bit
Speaker 3: of space you can have. It's ridiculously smallt The smallest
Speaker 3: bit you can have, and if you make it into
Speaker 3: a square that's called the Plank square. They then calculated
Speaker 3: how many Plank squares that would be on the edge
Speaker 3: of the universe. It was exactly the saying number as
Speaker 3: the amount of bits needed to describe the universe itself.
Speaker 3: And they thought, this is just an extraordinary coincidence. And
Speaker 3: if they argue that each one of these Plank squares
Speaker 3: held one bit of data was and was sending it
Speaker 3: inwards into a hologram, that could explain the holographic nature
Speaker 3: of reality, the way in which nature is holographic. And
Speaker 3: we see it as a three dimensional space, but there
Speaker 3: is no space because you know, for argument's sake, you know,
Speaker 3: philosophers have argued this that if there were no objects
Speaker 3: in space, would space exist. But we now know that
Speaker 3: space is full of something called zero point energy, and
Speaker 3: zero point energy is energy that's manifested at zero points,
Speaker 3: absolute zero, you know, And the idea is there's still
Speaker 3: energy coming up there, and they believe there's this energy
Speaker 3: field within the zero point field is the basically the
Speaker 3: hard drive that creates the virtual reality universe that we
Speaker 3: exist within. And that information is drawn up and your
Speaker 3: brain processes that information like a computer processor does, and
Speaker 3: then it creates just like computer processor in a VR game,
Speaker 3: it creates a three illusionary, three dimensional reality that we
Speaker 3: think we are moving around in. And I say to people,
Speaker 3: just imagine if you were able to go into a
Speaker 3: virtual reality game of your life and you're wearing a
Speaker 3: haptic suit, that actually every movement that you made in
Speaker 3: this reality was reproduced within the virtual reality. When you
Speaker 3: went into that virtual reality game, it was a game
Speaker 3: of your life with all the people you knew, and
Speaker 3: then your memory's wiped clean.
Speaker 2: How would you know?
Speaker 3: How would you know that this isn't a virtual reality
Speaker 3: game of your life? And that's my concept I call
Speaker 3: cheating the Ferryman, which we don't have time to but
Speaker 3: I've written numerous books on this subject. This is what
Speaker 3: I believe is happening. So when we're creating, these entities
Speaker 3: are coming in from outside, just like do you remember
Speaker 3: in Vanilla Sky, the character David Ames, He's living his
Speaker 3: life again in this virtual reality scenario. And what happens
Speaker 3: is one of the people from outside of the outside
Speaker 3: of the game is tent to talk to him, and
Speaker 3: he's talking in a bar and only if you remember,
Speaker 3: he's talking in a bar and there's this entity talking
Speaker 3: to him in person, looks like a person, but it's
Speaker 3: an entity, and it's explaining to him that this is
Speaker 3: not real. This is not real. You're in the final
Speaker 3: seconds of your life. This is not real. And he
Speaker 3: turns around, he said, oh, shut the f up, and
Speaker 3: everybody in the area shuts up and freezes, And I
Speaker 3: believe this is what is really happening.
Speaker 1: This is so fascinating. This will probably take up the
Speaker 1: rest of the show, but it brings me to what
Speaker 1: I wanted to explore about the fascinating near death experiences
Speaker 1: I've heard about. I've interviewed dozens of people who've had
Speaker 1: near death experiences as well as other very profound experiences
Speaker 1: that include changes in reality. And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: This young lady I had on claimed that she had
Speaker 1: this profound near death experience, but it was different than
Speaker 1: anything I've ever heard. She was in heavy traffic on
Speaker 1: an interstate and she saw a car ahead of her
Speaker 1: flip and the whole thing was in slow motion. She said.
Speaker 1: The car smashed down on her. She knew she broke
Speaker 1: her neck, she knew she died. Next thing. She knows.
Speaker 1: She's in this different realm with these light beings giving
Speaker 1: her a life review, and then they tell her it's
Speaker 1: not your time. You have to go back. But instead
Speaker 1: of going back and being in a hospital in a
Speaker 1: coma and having all these injuries, she was right where
Speaker 1: she was before, except there was no traffic on this interstate.
Speaker 1: There was slight changes in her reality, and she's claims
Speaker 1: that everything in her life was so much better after
Speaker 1: this experience, not only because it changed her perspective, but
Speaker 1: there were small differences in people in her life, in events.
Speaker 1: And this is absolutely fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: This is absolutely cheating. The Ferryman. One of the things
Speaker 3: that I find extraordinary. I wrote my first book in
Speaker 3: two thousand and six, and since then I've been contacted
Speaker 3: by literally thousands and thousands of people worldwide, all of
Speaker 3: whom have had experiences similar to that which I can explain.
Speaker 3: And I'm the only writer on the planet that can
Speaker 3: explain these things. You read books on near death experiences
Speaker 3: and all you get is it happened to me, and
Speaker 3: you get these wonderfully interesting stories, but they're just anecdotes,
Speaker 3: just anecdote after anecdote after anecdote. Nobody actually attempts to
Speaker 3: try and understand what is happening neurologically, neurochemically, but also
Speaker 3: what is happening to the person. How is it when
Speaker 3: somebody has a near death experience, they meet people who
Speaker 3: have already died, but sometimes they meet people who are
Speaker 3: still alive. What is going on here? What is the
Speaker 3: panoramic life review? Why do many people have the Panoramic
Speaker 3: life review? I explain exactly why people have the Panoramic
Speaker 3: life review. I also explain why it fast forwards. I
Speaker 3: also can explain exactly what happened to her in her
Speaker 3: near death experience because she went back and she's come
Speaker 3: back into She's gone back to the point of the
Speaker 3: game where she was about to die, and the game
Speaker 3: changed at that point because the universe was slightly different,
Speaker 3: and from then on, all the universe, the universe, the
Speaker 3: life that she was going to follow would be different
Speaker 3: because of her near death experience changed the way she
Speaker 3: would have been in the future, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: In other words, she would have followed as life route,
Speaker 3: but she had the near death experience which changed her.
Speaker 3: And a friend of mine, doctor Penny Sotoria, has written
Speaker 3: a book on how near death experiences change his people completely,
Speaker 3: and it means that your life goes off on a
Speaker 3: different path. The other version of you still exists, and
Speaker 3: the other version of you is still following the other path.
Speaker 3: But of course that other version of you probably died.
Speaker 3: So of course if she died in that incident, there
Speaker 3: wouldn't be the other version of her. So it's rather
Speaker 3: like there's a very famous Argentinian writer, or used to be,
Speaker 3: he's now dead, called Jorge Borges, and he wrote a
Speaker 3: wonderful short story called The Garden of the Forking Paths.
Speaker 3: And this is exactly this idea that we have. Every
Speaker 3: decision we make collapses the wave function of a particular reality,
Speaker 3: or if you put it another way, creates another game.
Speaker 3: If you're playing a third person VR game, it creates
Speaker 3: every decision that your on scheme sprite makes create renders
Speaker 3: a totally different game pattern. You know. Now, I argue
Speaker 3: that we all have a game player. There is a
Speaker 3: game player that's outside of the game, that is our
Speaker 3: real self, and I call that the daemon, and the
Speaker 3: daemon has lived your life many times. The daemon has
Speaker 3: experienced your life many times, and it uses that knowledge
Speaker 3: to guide you through this life. You know, I'll guarantee
Speaker 3: there are people out there. You get an inkling of
Speaker 3: something's not right, You meet somebody and it's instantaneous. My god,
Speaker 3: this person is important to me. How is that? How
Speaker 3: do we have dejar vu sensations when we recognize places
Speaker 3: that we've been to that we've never been to before.
Speaker 3: I argue this is because the daemon the demonic memory,
Speaker 3: which is normally normally processing in the non dominant hemisphere
Speaker 3: of the brain. I even do the neurology of this.
Speaker 3: It us this to do with split brain operations.
Speaker 2: We know that if you've.
Speaker 3: Cut the corpus colossom of person, you end up with
Speaker 3: two people. That's been known since the nineteen fifties. So
Speaker 3: clearly is two areas of consciousness. And there seems to
Speaker 3: be this area of us that is precognitive, that senses
Speaker 3: the future and knows what's going to happen and warns us.
Speaker 3: And it depends on how open our doors of perception
Speaker 3: are as to whether the damon can communicate effectively or not.
Speaker 3: And I argue that people who are neurotypical, their doors
Speaker 3: of perception are quite closed. But people who have classic migraine,
Speaker 3: people have temporal lobe epilepsy, people who have Alzheimer's, people
Speaker 3: who have schizophrenia. People, the doors are open, you know,
Speaker 3: the way we're talking about the brain cutting us out.
Speaker 3: There are certain individuals that that is not effective. And
Speaker 3: again in one of my books I described this in
Speaker 3: great detail how this works. In fact, you know, if
Speaker 3: anybody's listening to me here, they're saying, oh, this I
Speaker 3: must be talking complete nonsense. It's complete kike. It's all
Speaker 3: supported by science. There is nothing I have said today
Speaker 3: so far that in my books I give you the
Speaker 3: references to the academic papers so that you can come
Speaker 3: to your own conclusions. So the evidence seems to be
Speaker 3: very strongly that there is another element of us, and
Speaker 3: that's the game player. So the daemon plays your game
Speaker 3: many many times.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Again, this is not new. This is something called the
Speaker 3: eternal return or the eternal recurrence. It's something that's been
Speaker 3: known for millennia. Some religions believe in it. Writers and philosophers. Nietzsche,
Speaker 3: for instance, discussed it. A guy called Peter Uspensky, who
Speaker 3: was a Russian philosopher, wrote an amazing book called The
Speaker 3: Life of Ivan Asokin, where he describes, somebody's given the
Speaker 3: chance to go back to live their life again. Now,
Speaker 3: the most pertinent movie of this is Groundhog Day, and
Speaker 3: indeed the russianad of my first book, the Russian language
Speaker 3: edition of my first book was actually called Groundhog Life.
Speaker 3: So the idea is that you know that, like Connor's
Speaker 3: lives the same day over and over again, we live
Speaker 3: the same life over and over again, but each day
Speaker 3: for Connor's is different. So people turn around to me
Speaker 3: say I don't want to go back and live my
Speaker 3: life again, many many times, and I say you don't.
Speaker 3: Not only do you do that. The program has not
Speaker 3: only the outcome of all the decisions you can make,
Speaker 3: but the outcome of all the decisions your parents.
Speaker 2: Could have made.
Speaker 3: Because my parents were going to emigrate to Australia, I
Speaker 3: could have been born in Australia. There will be a
Speaker 3: version of me that would have been born in Australia
Speaker 3: because that was their intentions. And it goes right back
Speaker 3: through time, right. So there are so many routes.
Speaker 1: Like you said, just based on our shifts in perception,
Speaker 1: the way we view things. I've had very profound psychedelic
Speaker 1: experiences where I've come back from that experience, and it
Speaker 1: would seem like there have been small changes in my reality.
Speaker 1: Things may seem a little better. A person's perspective that
Speaker 1: you interact with maybe better. There may be slight changes
Speaker 1: and things you don't quite remember it being that way.
Speaker 1: But what you're saying is we could experience this on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, just depending on the decisions we make
Speaker 1: in our perception of things.
Speaker 3: Absolutely every decision we make ripples through. You know, effectively,
Speaker 3: what will be a small decision now can be huge.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, you know the classic movie against
Speaker 3: I'm a movie buff, and the classic movie of this
Speaker 3: is Butterfly Effect. You know, if you watch Butterfly Effect. Now,
Speaker 3: what's fascinating again. I've argued that a lot of all
Speaker 3: the things I'm talking about here, everybody knows subliminally everybody.
Speaker 3: When people read my books, they'll go, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I've always known this, but you've put it into words.
Speaker 3: I argue that it's in the Veldtzgeist and in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: It's something that's subliminally we're all aware of, and you
Speaker 3: only need it to be pointed out to you. And
Speaker 3: this is why writers have been writing about this for
Speaker 3: such a long time, and there are so many movies
Speaker 3: now that deal with exactly the themes I've been writing
Speaker 3: about for twenty years, you know, like Butterfly Effect and
Speaker 3: again interesting in Butterfly Effect, the character that keeps living
Speaker 3: his life again and changing it. He has an undescribed illness.
Speaker 3: His father had this illness and he has it. The
Speaker 3: illness is templeob epilepsy. So even to the point of
Speaker 3: that filmmaker being aware of my hypothesis, because I've been
Speaker 3: contacted by people who experience TLA, hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 3: them from around the world. These guys experience what we're
Speaker 3: talking about all the time. It's their everyday reality. When
Speaker 3: I did contact in the desert, there was an associate
Speaker 3: of mine called Myron Dial and Myron is a very
Speaker 3: talented Californian artist. His art work is just freaky. It's
Speaker 3: really incredible. And Myron has been two people since he
Speaker 3: was six years of age. And when I received an
Speaker 3: email from Myron sixteen seventeen, eighteen years ago, the email
Speaker 3: was from his daemon. The email was fro somebody called Karen,
Speaker 3: and Karen is his damon. And Karen said, I am
Speaker 3: messaging you now I'm a damon and your book is extraordinary.
Speaker 3: It's explained all what I'm about. And Myron will contact
Speaker 3: you in the next few days. And then Myron contacted
Speaker 3: me and we met and we spoke. I've interviewed him
Speaker 3: a few times and we met for the first time.
Speaker 3: And when I did contact in the desert, I discussed
Speaker 3: about the Damon and Myron was in the audience. And
Speaker 3: Myron's experiences, he goes to a place called Zelcon. He
Speaker 3: has out of body experiences. He goes to this place.
Speaker 3: He consistently goes to the same place. He knows the
Speaker 3: entities there. He has been. His experiences are like alien abductions,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't interpret them as alien abductions, but they are.
Speaker 3: They're the same trope. The same things happen because it's
Speaker 3: the same phenomenon. It is exactly the same outer body experiences,
Speaker 3: near death experiences. They are all aspects of the same phenomenon.
Speaker 3: So Myron talks to me that he is precognitive. I
Speaker 3: know one guy who has and we haven't touched upon
Speaker 3: the pineal gland, which I think is crucial to this.
Speaker 3: I think indogeness that is internally generated dimethyl trip to meine,
Speaker 3: which is synthesized from melotonin into DMT within the pineal gland. Again,
Speaker 3: I do the neurochemistry of this as to how this
Speaker 3: can be, how melotonin can be converted into DMT. There's
Speaker 3: only i think two two atoms within the melotonin molecule
Speaker 3: and the DNT molecule that are different. It's two hydrogen atoms,
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure whether the two hydrogen atoms are
Speaker 3: taken away up or added two, but it is clear
Speaker 3: that dmt. They found DMT in the human brain. You
Speaker 3: probably were of this, you know the demo borgi Egen
Speaker 3: work from twenty seventeen. They found it in live rats,
Speaker 3: you know. So not only that, but borgi Egen and
Speaker 3: her team have also actually proven the neo death experience
Speaker 3: in live rats.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: They euthanized rats and then around about ten to eleven
Speaker 3: seconds afterwards, the brain suddenly switched on again and there
Speaker 3: was massive brain activity. Now again, in my new book,
Speaker 3: I cite something that should have been world news way
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty three. I think it was in Germany.
Speaker 3: A guy, an elderly guy in his eighties, fell off
Speaker 3: a ladder and he injured himself and he went to casualty,
Speaker 3: and while he was in casualty, he had a couple
Speaker 3: of fits and they realized he damaged his brain, so
Speaker 3: they put him in an fMRI scanner or a super scanner,
Speaker 3: scanning his brain. And while it happened, he died. For
Speaker 3: the first time they have a scan of somebody's brain
Speaker 3: while they died. Guess what happened. He flatlined for about
Speaker 3: six seven seconds and then suddenly massive activity in his brain.
Speaker 3: His brain started activating. All areas of his brain were
Speaker 3: communicating together. Near death experience that should have been world news.
Speaker 3: Why it wasn't is because people don't get it. They
Speaker 3: don't see what these things mean. And again I'm sounding
Speaker 3: vain here, but I'm the only writer that's writing about
Speaker 3: this stuff and saying, for God's sake, listen to me. Listen,
Speaker 3: you know, please, please, you know. More and more academics
Speaker 3: are now coming to my work, by the way, it's
Speaker 3: slowly breaking through.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I've now written two academic papers and I have been
Speaker 3: offered places to do PhDs on the back of my research.
Speaker 3: But at my age, I couldn't be bothered. Got more
Speaker 3: important things to do in my life. But suffice to say,
Speaker 3: this is going to be huge news, and when my
Speaker 3: work gets out there properly, it's going to go crazy.
Speaker 3: It maybe after I'm dead, you know, because you know,
Speaker 3: I'm nearly seventy one now, I'm an old man. It's
Speaker 3: not likely that it's going to happen in my life.
Speaker 3: But at some time in the future, somebody's going to
Speaker 3: pick up my books and go, wow, this really is
Speaker 3: quite extraordinary stuff. Well, I hope.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I very much resonate with your work, as I'm
Speaker 1: sure much of my audience does. This was fantastic information.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely have to have you back on. There is
Speaker 1: so much that we can explore Before we close out today.
Speaker 1: I'll have the link to your website right in the description.
Speaker 1: Is that the best way for everyone to find all
Speaker 1: of your books?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, you can buy my books in bookshops.
Speaker 3: You can just go to your bookshop and you can
Speaker 3: order it, and your bookshop anywhere anywhere. You can also
Speaker 3: go to your local library. You don't have to buy
Speaker 3: the book, go to the local library and get it ordered.
Speaker 3: Some libraries actually have the books on the shelves. If
Speaker 3: you are interested in my other books, my books are
Speaker 3: in Kindle. I also read my own books for Audible,
Speaker 3: so they're all on Audible. They are also in Braille
Speaker 3: a number of them as well. Plus they are in
Speaker 3: various foreign language editions as well, so you can read
Speaker 3: them in your own local language as well. We're in
Speaker 3: negotiations at the moment with a Chinese edition or Cantonese anyway. Also,
Speaker 3: I'm very active on Facebook. I'm at my five thousand
Speaker 3: limit of Facebook friends, but you can still follow me.
Speaker 3: I've got about fourteen or fifteen thousand followers on there.
Speaker 3: I also have my own YouTube channel, which is becoming
Speaker 3: more and more popular, so just look up Anthony Peak
Speaker 3: on YouTube. I'm also on Instagram regularly on Instagram as well,
Speaker 3: and of course my website if you want to. If
Speaker 3: you're interested in seeing me speak live in the States,
Speaker 3: I'll be speaking in southern California the last weekend in May.
Speaker 3: I'll be there for five days. I'll be doing a
Speaker 3: talk and intensive various panels and interfacing with most of
Speaker 3: the major people who are involved in the UFO world.
Speaker 3: So yeah, just check it out, you know. And I try.
Speaker 3: I endeavor to try and respond to emails if I can,
Speaker 3: but I don't have admin support, and I get between
Speaker 3: sixty to seventy emails a day. I can't humanly reply
Speaker 3: to them all, but I will try, and if the
Speaker 3: ones are really interesting, I will try to get.
Speaker 1: Back to excellent Anthony. Thank you so much fantastic informa. Today,
Speaker 1: I want to welcome ol Borealis. He is host of
Speaker 1: Forum Borealis, where he features conversational, in depth interviews with
Speaker 1: the most interesting authors, scholars, researchers, and free thinkers of today,
Speaker 1: exploring obscure, anomalous, and system critical topics within history, culture, philosophy,
Speaker 1: science and politics. Al welcome, How you.
Speaker 2: Doing, Howdy, how are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm excellent. It's great to have you on. I've really
Speaker 1: enjoyed the information and research you've been presenting on your
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and your podcast. I highly recommend everyone going
Speaker 1: check those out. I'll have those links right in the description. Today.
Speaker 1: I wanted to share your research and the possibility that
Speaker 1: much of what we know about the UFO phenomena maybe
Speaker 1: a psychological operation that plays on the powers of collective
Speaker 1: perception and manifestation, also by using hidden, advanced breakaway factions
Speaker 1: with extremely exotic technologies, and this opens up many possibilities
Speaker 1: we can explore, and you've done some great research. But
Speaker 1: before we get too deep into this, this is your
Speaker 1: first time on. Let the audience know just a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself and where they can find you.
Speaker 4: So I started out probably around the same time you
Speaker 4: did in fifteen, and already then I thought it was
Speaker 4: too late, and so I started actually at YouTube. I
Speaker 4: did opposite many starts in podcasts and they transition over
Speaker 4: to YouTube, but for me it was the other way around.
Speaker 4: But I've abandoned YouTube like.
Speaker 2: Three years ago.
Speaker 4: Something I haven't released, and which is it's kind of
Speaker 4: self suboutaging because I had more listeners there. I think
Speaker 4: I have fifty thou most of those I gained before
Speaker 4: they censored YouTube. But then I got straight into the
Speaker 4: Naughty East and they strangled. So what was the point
Speaker 4: they were taking down my shows? I risked if I
Speaker 4: released new shows, are risked losing the whole channel. Right,
Speaker 4: at least those who are there now are vetted. Some
Speaker 4: are are thrown off, but then we aren't too hard.
Speaker 4: They have this crazy tyrannical fascist retrospective guilt, which is
Speaker 4: unheard of in modern society and justice and everything. But
Speaker 4: so yeah, why have the channel when they're not giving
Speaker 4: me new listeners and they're strangling and disappearing shows. So
Speaker 4: I started facing over to podcasts, like when was that?
Speaker 2: Not that?
Speaker 4: Maybe five years ago or something six years I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I was shocked. You have to pay in YouTube. I'm
Speaker 2: getting paid.
Speaker 4: I was spoiled, right, And now I have about the
Speaker 4: same amount of followers, but it's completely different.
Speaker 2: People un noticed.
Speaker 4: Those who follow video platforms are not the same who
Speaker 4: follow audio platforms. And the hardcore, hardcore, hardcore supporters, those
Speaker 4: who really are into my show, they become members of
Speaker 4: my channel, which is Forumn Borealis dot net. And the
Speaker 4: one more thing I could say about my show is
Speaker 4: that when I started off, I must admit. Look, I've
Speaker 4: been saying very often that I've been predicting stuff that
Speaker 4: has come to pass.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 4: I have been very early on. Nobody else is mentioning it,
Speaker 4: so I think I should do it myself. I've been
Speaker 4: ahead of the curve in so many things. But one
Speaker 4: thing that really took me by surprise that I've been
Speaker 4: saying the opposite of what happened. I said, we will
Speaker 4: never see disclosure in our time. Forget about it Isn't
Speaker 4: you know it has to be like an invasion from
Speaker 4: space to like maybe even not even a revolution would
Speaker 4: do it. An invasion from space maybe.
Speaker 2: And here we are.
Speaker 4: So called conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory is proven.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I'm mentioning this because when I started out, I had
Speaker 4: this agenda of having one foot in the mainstream and
Speaker 4: one foot in the rabbit or like trying to bridge
Speaker 4: that gap.
Speaker 2: And now I'll.
Speaker 4: Become conservative because the mainstream narrative has gone off the cliff, right, So.
Speaker 2: What's that mainstream show?
Speaker 4: At least I can say I was early on with
Speaker 4: the stuff that is now acknowledged when people were laughing
Speaker 4: of it, like, for example, only a couple of months
Speaker 4: after everybody knew what COVID was, I was out there saying, having,
Speaker 4: of course, I'm not a I'm a pontificator, but the
Speaker 4: show format is like this, I'm interviewing people. So I
Speaker 4: had an expert on and he established this is this
Speaker 4: was my gut feeling. That was why I got him on.
Speaker 4: This is artificial, this is made in a lab. It
Speaker 4: is a bio weapon experiment gone astray. Probably, So that
Speaker 4: was even before that debate started when people were still
Speaker 4: because I was you know, COVID came to Europe from
Speaker 4: China to Milan in Italy, and they say it came.
Speaker 4: I forgot the date, they say, but three months before
Speaker 4: the official time they said it came. I landed in
Speaker 4: Milan and I was greeted by people in nucleus you know,
Speaker 4: atomic moon suits, you know, and they were scanning my
Speaker 4: forehead with laser. This was three months before they admit,
Speaker 4: so they knew it already. Then they knew it already.
Speaker 4: Then I came home.
Speaker 2: What was going on?
Speaker 4: We had stuff in Milan, and then the news hit
Speaker 4: and anyway, I'm talking myself away from the point.
Speaker 1: No, it's all good. Great injury dug. Your story similar
Speaker 1: to mine in a sense that I did start on
Speaker 1: YouTube as well, had a very large channel, approaching fifty
Speaker 1: thousand subscribers, and then it gets nuked around twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: it gets gone. I started a new one and then
Speaker 1: got two strikes on that one once I hit a
Speaker 1: couple of thousand subs, and so I just gave it
Speaker 1: up completely. Like you, I believe we need to start
Speaker 1: bringing people to the platforms where we can thrive, like
Speaker 1: the podcast, like other video platforms like Rumble and things
Speaker 1: like that. So I am glad to see that you
Speaker 1: are growing on the podcast, and when it comes to
Speaker 1: being ahead of the curve, this topic triggers a lot
Speaker 1: of people, like you said, who are really stuck in
Speaker 1: the traditional theory of nuts and bolts. Little green men
Speaker 1: coming from different planets and UFOs was one of the
Speaker 1: first topics that really drew me in and got me
Speaker 1: started with the podcast in general. And I was very
Speaker 1: open minded from the beginning, but I did lean towards
Speaker 1: the possibility that we were being visited from little green
Speaker 1: men from other planets, or humanoids or non human intelligences,
Speaker 1: but physical beings coming here. And the more evidence that
Speaker 1: comes out, the more brilliant people like yourself that I
Speaker 1: speak with, the more it becomes evident that not only
Speaker 1: is it not what we've been shown and not what
Speaker 1: we understand to be through our media and all the
Speaker 1: previous things we've heard about UFOs, but there's multi layers
Speaker 1: to this. The more I learn, the more I understand
Speaker 1: how much the individual's perception affects the nature of these experiences.
Speaker 1: There is operations we can discuss, there's the technology aspect,
Speaker 1: there's people's personal experiences, but they all have profound connections.
Speaker 1: They all have profound overlaps. And the deeper we get
Speaker 1: into this, the more layers that there is to uncover.
Speaker 1: And it seems like the more I understand, the less
Speaker 1: I know. It gets to be pretty convoluted at times.
Speaker 1: And to make it even worse, this community has been
Speaker 1: infiltrated with bad information that steers people in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: That's it. So when discussing this modern operation that I
Speaker 1: believe is occurring, where would you start in our recent
Speaker 1: modern history when trying to understand this.
Speaker 4: I would start by categorizing it. Of course, there's a
Speaker 4: billion things because it's unidentified, right, But for the sake
Speaker 4: of our discussion the interesting stuff, I would say of
Speaker 4: five things we could start on the physical level. Since
Speaker 4: the Second.
Speaker 2: World War.
Speaker 4: Times in the late forties, early fifties, they've had the
Speaker 4: capability to go at least to the Moon, probably beyond
Speaker 4: already then I'm pretty sure we've set foot on.
Speaker 2: Mars and on Luna.
Speaker 4: Of course we probably have basis there today. You know
Speaker 4: how it always works, It's like they are noun something.
Speaker 4: That's when it's so downgraded that the clubs can have
Speaker 4: access to it. That means, you know, they're always light
Speaker 4: years ahead. Like the Internet wasn't invented when we.
Speaker 2: Got access to it.
Speaker 4: They're played around with it for decades. This is how
Speaker 4: it works. And so it's downgraded, it's declassified. And the
Speaker 4: reason isn't let's throw bones to the monkeys so that
Speaker 4: we can lift them a little up. No, No, it's profit.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: We can make money of this crap because we have
Speaker 4: the stellar version, right, so let's take our trash and
Speaker 4: make money of it. Thank God for that incentive. Otherwise
Speaker 4: we would still be running around in caves hitting each
Speaker 4: other at the head with bones sticks. So anyway, that's
Speaker 4: number one. And you know that's the classified Space program,
Speaker 4: which is the real See, it's very interesting times we
Speaker 4: live in because this is the thing that cannot come out.
Speaker 4: You know, if you take the layers of the deep state,
Speaker 4: exposing democrats and vocal agenda, that's an easy everybody can
Speaker 4: afford that, even the oligos, right, that's just fighting about
Speaker 4: who's gonna represent the deep state. So other reforms going on, now, yes,
Speaker 4: will they be permanent so that things are permanently better? Maybe,
Speaker 4: I don't know, we'll see for example, the anti censorship
Speaker 4: thing like YouTube is on borrowed time because if they
Speaker 4: implement what they said going to make stuff like YouTube,
Speaker 4: they're going to say, yeah, you can censor, but you're
Speaker 4: losing all protections, meaning anyone can sue you. Because now
Speaker 4: you're going from being a bookshop selling books to becoming
Speaker 4: a publisher. You can sue a publisher or something in
Speaker 4: a book. You cannot sue the bookshop. It should really
Speaker 4: be the author you sue, right, which you also I suppose,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can that, but you can
Speaker 4: at least the publisher. So the video platforms have had
Speaker 4: it both ways. They've been editorializing while no, no, no,
Speaker 4: we just a bookshop YouTube last man standing, worst censorship
Speaker 4: of them all of them, all worse on Twitter, everything,
Speaker 4: and the reason being.
Speaker 2: They are a cutoff of CIA.
Speaker 4: They are a direct This is the deep state is
Speaker 4: basically running YouTube. At the end of the day, these CEOs, etc.
Speaker 4: They are answering to people. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: Their YouTube can survive if they contain, if they continue
Speaker 4: with the censorship.
Speaker 2: So I have high hopes.
Speaker 4: So we will see some good things. But at the end,
Speaker 4: when you peel the onion. At the center of the
Speaker 4: really deepest, darkest taboo is the classified space program. Now
Speaker 4: is that spilling over to stuff like time travel or
Speaker 4: to the deglock, the Nazi Belle, etcetera. I cannot opiniate
Speaker 4: as certain about those things. All I can say for
Speaker 4: certain is since the fifties we've had the mastered anti gravity.
Speaker 4: The second physical component is space or time crafts that
Speaker 4: are not run by a current representative power faction of Earth.
Speaker 4: I say that instead of a state or a nation,
Speaker 4: because there are private networks, private corporations, private ventures that
Speaker 4: are also I mean most of the stuff was phased
Speaker 4: out from NASA to the private corporations because they can't
Speaker 4: be foyered. It's not as serious if they do monkey
Speaker 4: business as if official actors do it in the state.
Speaker 4: Just look at now, some a loose cannon like Trump
Speaker 4: comes in right now. They're certainly accountable. That's what they've
Speaker 4: always been faring. That's why, even though they haven't been
Speaker 4: accountable for fifty years, they've always made sure to cover
Speaker 4: their tracks and they're back in case. So, but there
Speaker 4: is another player or more would just say non terrestrial
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it's you know, listen, people most probable human beings,
Speaker 4: most probable. Many people talk about the Nazis, etc. I
Speaker 4: don't know if they had enough time. But this isn't
Speaker 4: the first time we've colonized the moon or mass for
Speaker 4: that matter, So there may be still players out there.
Speaker 2: Who is.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that their home base, but there are
Speaker 4: someone else roaming around.
Speaker 2: So that's two of the bits.
Speaker 4: We can talk about any of them if you were like.
Speaker 4: But the more exotic stuff is number three. There are
Speaker 4: life forms. There are life forms in space. Now these
Speaker 4: life forms completely physical, meaning, for example, they may be
Speaker 4: plasma based, which is really the transition phase between the
Speaker 4: frequencies we define as physicality and what we could call metaphysical.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 4: A big problem in our dualistic world, in our polarity world,
Speaker 4: is that people think of there's the physical and there's
Speaker 4: the spiritual or the non physical, and never shall those
Speaker 4: two meet. And then you some people they don't believe
Speaker 4: in the spiritual, They only believe in the physical.
Speaker 2: Granted, there's not many left because you have to go
Speaker 2: out of your way to.
Speaker 4: Be stupid if you deny the metaphysical aspect of reality.
Speaker 4: Another thing is you can say, we don't know too
Speaker 4: much about it, so vague as etherell.
Speaker 2: We can't touch feelings.
Speaker 4: See yeah, okay, fine, but you can deny you are,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, basically consciousness.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So, but this is the problem that it's split in reality.
Speaker 4: Existence is maybe Anthony Peak talked about this, but existence
Speaker 4: is gradual strata of vibrations.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: There's no hard limits saying here the physical stops here,
Speaker 4: the metaphysical stocks.
Speaker 2: The reason we.
Speaker 4: Think that is that our five senses, which is on
Speaker 4: my main windows to the objective world as opposed to
Speaker 4: the subjective world of five sentences are I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's some cosmic joke or just some cosmic sadism,
Speaker 4: but it's so limited certain ranges.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 4: This is all you are allowed, privileged to perceive an
Speaker 4: experience of this huge universe. We're probably the laughing stock
Speaker 4: of living beings in the universe. Were like ants in
Speaker 4: terms of consciousness range. So we think anything we can
Speaker 4: perceive through those five senses, despite the fact that we
Speaker 4: are ingenious enough to invent methods and tools to expand
Speaker 4: a little bit, like, for example, we can look into
Speaker 4: the X ray thanks to tools, right some people. Clairvoyant said, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: we can discuss that there are anomalies among human beings.
Speaker 4: The more we become, the more anomalous we will animal
Speaker 4: least we will see. So but the general rule is
Speaker 4: that we cannot perceive more than just a fraction of existence.
Speaker 4: Now this isn't true for other creatures, and plasma is
Speaker 4: at a level. I would say that when we soom down,
Speaker 4: atoms are the lost man. Standing in terms of physicalities,
Speaker 4: also autommic particles, which you really are waves, but they
Speaker 4: become particles as soon as we perceive them, like frozen
Speaker 4: particule is a frozen wave in time and space. Then
Speaker 4: we are talking about the first steps to the non
Speaker 4: physical Cosma is above fire. I'm used to operate in
Speaker 4: classical esoteric terminology, but I'm trying to always convert it
Speaker 4: to modern science speak so that more people follow me,
Speaker 4: because that's what people have learned in our day and age.
Speaker 4: Of course, I won't speak like this if I was
Speaker 4: conversing with Francis Bacon or Pythagoras or something, then I
Speaker 4: would go straight to the classical language. But these are
Speaker 4: just language. It's a language. Terminology is a model of
Speaker 4: what's real. Okay, So I can't said that what's real
Speaker 4: is the thing in itself, but we cannot perceive that.
Speaker 4: We can never know anything in itself. We can only
Speaker 4: know it through the thing in us. Everything has to
Speaker 4: go through our filter, our glasses, our biases, and our
Speaker 4: perception and our subjectivity. But anyway, so I would say
Speaker 4: then that plasma is the transition state, and there are
Speaker 4: beings at that level. And these beings are out there,
Speaker 4: they are floating about between Earth and the Moon, for example,
Speaker 4: and God knows how prevalent these are. So this I
Speaker 4: know for a fact. There are there's evidence for this,
Speaker 4: so I'm not even speculating here. What's that number three? Yeah,
Speaker 4: then there's number four.
Speaker 2: Which is.
Speaker 4: Now I lost my own thread, so I said beings, Yeah,
Speaker 4: then there's now we're coming close to eggrigorse, et cetera.
Speaker 4: There are non physical entities that can become what we
Speaker 4: call physical because they can lower the frequencies.
Speaker 2: Down to.
Speaker 4: Everything is energy, right, Everything is energy, whether it's consciousness
Speaker 4: or what we call physically, et cetera. But where is
Speaker 4: this energy operating? So if you operate, if you have
Speaker 4: a home in another frequency range, just like we can
Speaker 4: increase frequency, which is what we do when we, for example,
Speaker 4: use time or space crafts other beings to put it
Speaker 4: like that, other intelligences can do the same. And it's
Speaker 4: not just about going up. It can also be going down.
Speaker 4: And I can't talk as certain about what we're dealing
Speaker 4: with here, but they can take physical form. They did
Speaker 4: it long before the U four up thing was concept.
Speaker 4: I mean in in in esoterica we have in magic,
Speaker 4: they have been conjuring these entities, right, so we have that,
Speaker 4: and so so they can have physical form and they
Speaker 4: can also float about. What's the last one?
Speaker 1: Do you were talking about the thought forms the physical.
Speaker 4: Be the Yeah, then it's then it's things we create,
Speaker 4: that's right, which probably to a certain extent you could
Speaker 4: call it entities. But the psychology like shamanic journeys, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 4: you you encounter beings that are it can be beings.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not saying they are coming into our realm.
Speaker 4: I'm saying we are going to the realm where they
Speaker 4: are operating.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And for many people, especially people who are not trained
Speaker 4: in dealing with these things, because you can have like
Speaker 4: accidental encounters with other states of consciousness. You can have
Speaker 4: an accidental out of the body experience. You can have
Speaker 4: an accidental trip if you like, it happens when you die. Anyway,
Speaker 4: you can be the stupidest person in the world. You
Speaker 4: can be the most materialistic one. It doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 4: possible for anyone to And if that happens to a
Speaker 4: mainstream person who's always believed, you know, is always been
Speaker 4: happy living in Plato's cave, never questioned anything, and then
Speaker 4: just thrown out there for some reason or another, they
Speaker 4: can't say. They can't say for certain what's going on, right,
Speaker 4: They will project number one. Projection is the strongest element
Speaker 4: in play for all these things for everyone. So they
Speaker 4: would say that yeah, yeah, yeah, it was gray, it
Speaker 4: was whatever. They will talk about it as if it's
Speaker 4: three D because they are used to operating in the
Speaker 4: three D material space. That's all they know. They won't
Speaker 4: know that something else happened. Remember, many of these can
Speaker 4: also influence us on that level. On if you can
Speaker 4: influence someone on the psychological level by will I don't
Speaker 4: care if you're using technology or you're using more sophisticated
Speaker 4: means like a spirit, would you you control the reality man.
Speaker 4: And therefore I'm not saying it's not interesting to listen
Speaker 4: to these reports. I'm just saying you have to be
Speaker 4: very meticulous when we classify them.
Speaker 2: It's like near.
Speaker 4: Death studies, right, we have to peel off the subjective layers.
Speaker 4: How much of this is coming from the individual itself,
Speaker 4: how much of this is objective and common for everyone?
Speaker 2: So you have.
Speaker 4: You need as many people as possible. Let's say you
Speaker 4: have ten thousand near death experiences, but then you also
Speaker 4: need them all in both genders, in all ages, in
Speaker 4: all cultures and all religions very important, So you have
Speaker 4: to have both time and space.
Speaker 2: You have to look.
Speaker 4: So you should ideally also have people in the past
Speaker 4: when there's different site grists, and then you can start
Speaker 4: looking at what are common denominators, what are objective here?
Speaker 4: And not just because most people you see this in
Speaker 4: the New Age movement all the time, that follow any
Speaker 4: random guru walking by. Now, it's fine that people can
Speaker 4: have insights, it's fine that you could have understood something,
Speaker 4: but most spiritual truths are subjective, unfortunately, and to get
Speaker 4: to the objective spiritual truths are very hard. Most religions, too,
Speaker 4: are based upon founders that it's still they're operating in
Speaker 4: subjective world and that's limited as a limited value for
Speaker 4: anyone else than yourself. You're not meant to, you know,
Speaker 4: announced to the world all the answers of the cosmos.
Speaker 4: You're meant to finding them for yourself and use that
Speaker 4: to get yourself ahead. But you know, people are like,
Speaker 4: there's one room for me, another for you. Classical psychological thing,
Speaker 4: right is to I want to sensor others because they
Speaker 4: can't be responsible for dealing with knowledge. Instead of facing
Speaker 4: like young would say, your own inner chaos, you're trying
Speaker 4: to control others. So this is the human condition. We're
Speaker 4: at a so low level of consciousness and perception and everything,
Speaker 4: even where we are operating. We really should be ashamed
Speaker 4: of ourselves. I wonder if we are, like if this
Speaker 4: was a school, we are that naughty kid in the
Speaker 4: corner with a donkey thing on. So I can't wait
Speaker 4: to get out of here. That's one reason to be
Speaker 4: into esoterica. It is to accelerate your own pace so
Speaker 4: you can, you know, enter another level of class.
Speaker 2: But there's so.
Speaker 4: Much too, you know, it's not about understanding as much
Speaker 4: as possible, Like people think I wish it was. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's so many brilliant psychopaths they will be ahead of us.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 4: No, Unfortunately, we have to take our emotional body with us,
Speaker 4: and that means, oh my god, we have to love everyone.
Speaker 4: We have to be patient tallerrand but we have to
Speaker 4: be like a parent is with a child when you
Speaker 4: really just want to punch them in the face.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's going to take time for all of us.
Speaker 1: Well, I think right now we're in a very important
Speaker 1: time when it comes to the awareness of those things
Speaker 1: that you were just discussing, and I have hope that
Speaker 1: more people are reaching higher levels of that awareness when
Speaker 1: it comes to trying to understand the UFO agenda, the
Speaker 1: narratives that are coming out right now, trying to peel
Speaker 1: back at least some of the surface layers you mentioned
Speaker 1: the Nazi regime, and that time period seems to be
Speaker 1: a very critical period at least when it comes to
Speaker 1: development of some of the technology that we're probably been
Speaker 1: exposed to when it correlates to the UFO phenomena. But
Speaker 1: as far as peeling back a few layers of the
Speaker 1: surface information that we hear about the possibilities of what
Speaker 1: the Nazis were doing secret societies, channeling non human intelligence,
Speaker 1: is developing UFOs secret bases in Antarctica. These are the
Speaker 1: things that come out of the surface level conspiracy community
Speaker 1: these days. But what can we peel back to understand
Speaker 1: deeper levels to this time period and its importance in
Speaker 1: what's happening.
Speaker 4: I think the most important thing we can take over
Speaker 4: that time period is that before the war, there was
Speaker 4: an openness in society. Of course of US biases, of
Speaker 4: course the US power cliques. Of course there was a
Speaker 4: geological or but it became institutionalized. You know, the poster
Speaker 4: boy for this is Duless, right, and you know whether
Speaker 4: the Nazis, you know who took over, who called the shots,
Speaker 4: and you know, let's deal with our current power elite. Okay,
Speaker 4: no matter where they came from or how they developed.
Speaker 4: And some of the things that the new administration in
Speaker 4: America is dismantling. I think they're actually knowing what they're doing.
Speaker 4: In many cases, they're dismantling a lot of the heritage
Speaker 4: from that time. So in their forties and the fifties,
Speaker 4: everything they just like, okay, we have to stop it
Speaker 4: exploded in the twenties and the thirties, we knowing too
Speaker 4: much before that. It was great to be on the
Speaker 4: side of progression and science and optimism and believe in
Speaker 4: the future and everything right, because they hadn't hit that
Speaker 4: wall yet where at some point they realized, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: the power that's possible with all this, Oh my God,
Speaker 4: the control that's possible with all this. And then it's
Speaker 4: the paranoia and the selfishness, right, and the projection. Oh God,
Speaker 4: it means others may do this to us. We need
Speaker 4: to force the masses into a very tiny overtone window,
Speaker 4: and we need to look them there, we need to
Speaker 4: keep them there. Hence materialism has never been Materialism was
Speaker 4: never a dominating I mean, people were more religious than
Speaker 4: anything before the war. But they put the materialism a
Speaker 4: paradigm they didn't even believe in themselves. They put it
Speaker 4: on steroids and made it the mainstream overtone window because
Speaker 4: it's so easy to control them. If it's even better
Speaker 4: than Catholicism, Catholicism which dominated Europe for a thousand years.
Speaker 4: Too many holes. You don't need a lot of brain
Speaker 4: cells to start poking holes in that construction. Right, it's
Speaker 4: a model that it works Islamism, whatever, those models work
Speaker 4: to a certain extent to control society. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that there's no spiritual value in these systems. Any spiritual
Speaker 4: system has a value. Actually, depending on how much of
Speaker 4: a sincere believer you are, how much you actually apply it,
Speaker 4: you can navigate almost anything.
Speaker 2: Even this.
Speaker 4: The holographic the simulation model can even work as a
Speaker 4: new religion. But I'm saying as a control mechanism, yeah,
Speaker 4: when you're dealing with cave dwellers in Afghanistan, sure Islamism
Speaker 4: can work. So Caitalytism, Protestantism, whatever, all these isms, even
Speaker 4: Communist Soviet in Union. Well, I would say they were
Speaker 4: using materialism to a for extent. But even though they
Speaker 4: were experimenting with the parapsychology and all that, they were
Speaker 4: aware of.
Speaker 2: The metaphysical stuff.
Speaker 4: But all this stopped working as effective tools for suppression
Speaker 4: anti materialism. So I would say the heritage from the
Speaker 4: war was that everything fantastical.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 4: By the way, the definition of fantastical would be anything
Speaker 4: going beyond those tiny silos that we were forced into,
Speaker 4: and anything there. It could be tolerated to a certain
Speaker 4: extent if it didn't have any practical value. So if
Speaker 4: someone was remembering their former lives, sure have at it on.
Speaker 4: But if you go further, and let's say free energy,
Speaker 4: now we're talking tangible stuff. Now you're threatening powerful interests
Speaker 4: that cannot stand. And so that's the most important. And
Speaker 4: then what does it matter if it was Nazis or
Speaker 4: the Anglo American fascism. It's all fascism at the end
Speaker 4: of the day. It's all anti human, anti democracy, anti autonomy,
Speaker 4: and anti decentralization. In other words, it's centralization. So it's centralization,
Speaker 4: it's anti free speech, it's manipulation, it's sheepherding you, it's
Speaker 4: controlling you.
Speaker 2: All that stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's comes with the hammer and
Speaker 4: what do you call the other one in the Soviet
Speaker 4: flight the hammer and sickle. I don't care if it
Speaker 4: has that symbol, or if it has the swastika, or
Speaker 4: if it has the dollar or the David star. You know,
Speaker 4: it's still doing the same thing to me. It's not
Speaker 4: letting me breathe, it's not letting me explore, it's not
Speaker 4: letting me grow in freedom. All children who grow in
Speaker 4: freedom become smarter than even in animals. Wolves are ten
Speaker 4: times smarter than domesticated dogs. Wild sheep are ten times
Speaker 4: bores ten times on. This is the same for the humans.
Speaker 4: So we are living in a construct and I wouldn't
Speaker 4: even mind it.
Speaker 3: Look if we.
Speaker 2: Were if it was a.
Speaker 4: Real geocracy like enlightened No, aristocracy which originally meant the
Speaker 4: best people, not like now when it's the real world.
Speaker 4: What we really call aristocracy has another world. I forget
Speaker 4: it in the moment. But if it was the best
Speaker 4: and the bright enlightened people, good people, people who wanted
Speaker 4: how can the human race grow and prosper? Then okay,
Speaker 4: you do these things. I have my own stuff going on,
Speaker 4: But no, everybody has to be engaged. Because it's the
Speaker 4: lowest and the dumbest amongost, the most greediest, primitive, evil
Speaker 4: people among us, who are calling those are the one
Speaker 4: are sending. We live in a system where the only
Speaker 4: reward for anyone grasping power is to abuse it. So
Speaker 4: those are the people who want to take it done.
Speaker 4: Everybody else the good. The better of a person you are,
Speaker 4: the more naive you are, the more gullible you are,
Speaker 4: because you project your own goodness. Everybody projects good people too. No,
Speaker 4: they could never Oh no, if it was me, I
Speaker 4: would you know, I would think of health, I would
Speaker 4: think of enlightenment. No, sorry, mate, it's not how the
Speaker 4: kindergarten is a raised it's the Lord of the flowers.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that we do have a very advanced,
Speaker 1: hidden secret space program that we most likely have already
Speaker 1: been to Mars and the Moon. Talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about what you know about this program, the state that
Speaker 1: it's currently in, and what we know of the conspiracy
Speaker 1: community secret space program is much more fantastical and probably
Speaker 1: has a lot of collaborations and nonsense in it. So
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what's most likely really in place.
Speaker 4: So this has been investigated and written about and researched
Speaker 4: and explored for a long time, but it never got traction.
Speaker 4: Then Internet came, and I would say around twelve ten
Speaker 4: twenty twelve we started to get traction and all the
Speaker 4: right people where they were having conferences, they were discussing it,
Speaker 4: and it was very sober. It was something that should
Speaker 4: have come out now. It's like how they kind of
Speaker 4: some people treat the UAP thing now and in immediately
Speaker 4: it got hijacked by this fantastical bullshit, which is always
Speaker 4: what happens, right, And of course it's an op. Even
Speaker 4: if it wasn't an up, it would have happened because
Speaker 4: there are always these people that want to make a
Speaker 4: name for themselves.
Speaker 2: They are fast and loose.
Speaker 4: They want to earn money, they want to become gurus.
Speaker 2: They always seize upon what's popular. Now, this is popular,
Speaker 2: Antarctica is popular.
Speaker 4: A classified space program is because it triggers people's imagination, right,
Speaker 4: And it's such a huge lie. What if it's real?
Speaker 4: What if there are structures and ruins on the Moon
Speaker 4: and other objects in the Solar System. It's just the
Speaker 4: same as what if there are spacecrafts out there?
Speaker 2: Right, So.
Speaker 4: It has to be seised upon, and those people who
Speaker 4: launch outrageous conspiracy theories a head using that world because
Speaker 4: it's giving it to those who invented it to SmackDown.
Speaker 4: I don't even define my.
Speaker 2: Show as a goose.
Speaker 4: Look for example, me, I don't know about you, I
Speaker 4: don't know you enough, But me I have I explore
Speaker 4: historical areas, I explore philosophical areas, I explore psychological areas, scientific, cultural,
Speaker 4: and then there may be conspiracies within each of these areas, right,
Speaker 4: which is of course it is star in the nature
Speaker 4: of the human game, planning and keeping.
Speaker 2: Something new to yourself. That's per definition. So of course
Speaker 2: that happens all over.
Speaker 4: So but anyway, the classical conspiracy thing, I would say
Speaker 4: that it went off rails in the fifteen sixteen and
Speaker 4: now even me, who was interested in I got allergic
Speaker 4: to it because oh it's so tainted. And you know,
Speaker 4: the effect of it is that this fringe of the
Speaker 4: most naive or a extreme you know, those who would
Speaker 4: be fundamentalists. If we were in an if everybody was Islamic,
Speaker 4: there would be someone and that was the only some
Speaker 4: would be fundamentalistic. If everybody was Christians, some would be
Speaker 4: fundamental It's the same here. So the less intelligent or
Speaker 4: the mentally unstable or the half psychotic people, they go
Speaker 4: full way into the fantastical, over the top stuff, and
Speaker 4: it drives sober people away. And that's the intention of it.
Speaker 4: That's why it is like that, That's why they want
Speaker 4: to launch outrageous hypotheses that are presented with high certainty
Speaker 4: by these self appointed gurus or up you know, chills
Speaker 4: and agents. So but anyway, I hope we can I
Speaker 4: see ways we are converging back to the ginning again.
Speaker 4: For example, mainstream journalists and researchers who are new to
Speaker 4: the UAP thing, who sincerely want to like this guy
Speaker 4: what's his name? One of those guys who did the
Speaker 4: Twitter files, what's his name? It was mattera Ibi and
Speaker 4: this other.
Speaker 1: Guy I'm not sure the name. I think I know
Speaker 1: who you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he knows now about this classified space program. And
Speaker 4: there's others too. They don't know how deep it goes.
Speaker 4: One of the Congress people knows about it, the one
Speaker 4: who was interviewed by even Tucker Carlson is aware of it.
Speaker 4: So now people who weren't aware of it are becoming
Speaker 4: aware of it. And these are serious people, These are
Speaker 4: honest players. Okay, They're not in there to create a
Speaker 4: new cult, a new religion, or they want to hear
Speaker 4: about how the lists are fighting the Grace on Mars right,
Speaker 4: So I think it's very close to disclosure, especially since
Speaker 4: they're going to audit Pentagon. Now Pentagon itself is just
Speaker 4: playing with some toys. The real everything that's real about
Speaker 4: is is exppropriated to private players. But there are tracks
Speaker 4: and trails. It's going to be very hard for them
Speaker 4: to cover up those you know, billing the state one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars for nail right, so that they can
Speaker 4: take nine hundred and ninety nine point ninety nine thousand
Speaker 4: into the classical space program. When there's no oversight, you
Speaker 4: get away with that shit. Now they are very so
Speaker 4: at some point I think the Trump administration will stop
Speaker 4: peeling the onion because it's going to blow up in
Speaker 4: their face if they go all the way.
Speaker 2: They can't do that. Of course.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, you have the players. It's not
Speaker 4: like one player one. There's different kind of insiders and
Speaker 4: they have access to different kind of inside games. Okay,
Speaker 4: some are overlapping, some are aware of each other, some
Speaker 4: are unaware. But whoever you are on the inside, you
Speaker 4: want to I think more and more of them are
Speaker 4: going to throw in the towel and think, okay, how
Speaker 4: can we now come out with this in a way
Speaker 4: that doesn't see what did they do in South Africa?
Speaker 4: It was not a really Palestina. It would have to
Speaker 4: be something similar if it's ever going to be sold.
Speaker 4: They had this truth and I forgot what it was called,
Speaker 4: but like a forgiveness commission. So first of all, we're
Speaker 4: not going to retaliate as long as you put all
Speaker 4: the facts on the table. This is what will have
Speaker 4: to happen with the real deep state too. I'm going
Speaker 4: to say how much, you know, I hate it as
Speaker 4: much as the next person. I would want to, you know,
Speaker 4: flog their balls from now to eternity, but it's not
Speaker 4: going to work. They're going to be hostile to us
Speaker 4: forever because you're not going to get any jail time.
Speaker 4: We're not going to punish you in any way, shape
Speaker 4: or form. But you have to come over and play
Speaker 4: for us.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: You have to put everything on the table, and you
Speaker 4: have to help us go even deeper. And so the
Speaker 4: next layer of people we are flushing out, smoking out,
Speaker 4: same amnesty to them, et cetera, until you're at the
Speaker 4: bottom of them. That's how it will have to go, unfortunately,
Speaker 4: but so and then accountability from now on and all
Speaker 4: the bad people will have to get away with it.
Speaker 4: But that way we will get there. And they are
Speaker 4: trying to do this, and that's why you see, for example,
Speaker 4: they say now we're going to go to mors that
Speaker 4: what that really means is now we're gonna slowly disclose
Speaker 4: that we're already there because in your you're in my
Speaker 4: life time, we will be on Mars. That's going to
Speaker 4: happen in our lifetime. Now, if you go one or
Speaker 4: two generations from now, it's going to be very exotic.
Speaker 4: When we really went there for the first time, it's
Speaker 4: not going to matter because they're going to have their issues.
Speaker 2: To deal with.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's now a maybe the mass colony has declared
Speaker 4: itself separate from Earth and joining forces with the Moon
Speaker 4: because they're going to have another reality to deal with that,
Speaker 4: and then they're going to be some people who dig up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, we actually came to Mars. The real
Speaker 4: history of Mars was that blah blah blah. Well, actually,
Speaker 4: just one generation, when all the people who matters are dead,
Speaker 4: everything will come out. The reason they can't do that,
Speaker 4: for the for example, the JFK thing or the nine
Speaker 4: to eleven thing, is that the institutions who were around
Speaker 4: are still around and still have power. And it's not
Speaker 4: even that it's that people are still looking gullibly at
Speaker 4: those institutions. If those institutions are dismantled and they get
Speaker 4: new names, that may be one of the.
Speaker 2: Reasons they're doing what they're doing.
Speaker 4: They are taking down the slush phone of CIA USAID.
Speaker 4: Really USA Idea had never anything to do with AID.
Speaker 4: They're taking that down, killing it. But you can be
Speaker 4: sure some of the main programs are going to be
Speaker 4: continued in other state outlets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic about some of the things that
Speaker 1: are occurring, but I will keep a close eye on it.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, what are you going to say?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm just saying. Then when there's CIA isn't
Speaker 4: any longer called CIA, they can flush out their crimes
Speaker 4: because the people who did it are dead. At every
Speaker 4: relevant people are gone, and the label it was under
Speaker 4: is gone. What does it matter? Look how transparent we are,
Speaker 4: You're only transparent if you're truthful about your own monkey
Speaker 4: business in real time. But they're going to get a
Speaker 4: lot of free be goodwill from But I think, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'll take it. At least it's something we've been kept
Speaker 4: in this insane bubble. This is why I launched my show.
Speaker 4: I didn't launch my show to explore stuff mainly that
Speaker 4: I myself are particularly interested in, because I have many
Speaker 4: interests that are not covered in my show. And like
Speaker 4: I said to you before, we've begun esoterica, which is
Speaker 4: my main thing. I don't have many on there because
Speaker 4: I'm so critical, because I know something about it. I
Speaker 4: wanted more of the fantastical stuff out there, reach the
Speaker 4: gap between those who believe in anything coming along naively
Speaker 4: and those who didn't believe in anything. See if we
Speaker 4: can find this middle space where we can find some
Speaker 4: kind of truth. And it seems to me that reality
Speaker 4: has caught up with me and that's where we are
Speaker 4: and that's where we're going. So I think I'm optimistic
Speaker 4: in that way. The fact that they're talking about more
Speaker 4: means we're going to see it come to fruition soon. Officially,
Speaker 4: the same with Ai, same it all on this stuff.
Speaker 4: Whatever they are announcing, they've already been there and there.
Speaker 1: Far right, Well, let's get to the deeper possibilities when
Speaker 1: it comes to disclosure what we've been experiencing and what
Speaker 1: the collective has been presented when it comes to the
Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon through cinema, media, other people's experiences, the quote
Speaker 1: unquote experts, it seems like there are deeper levels to
Speaker 1: just seeking power, just seeking control over the masses, and
Speaker 1: there does seem to be a metaphysical aspect of this
Speaker 1: that manifests in the collective also in individual people's lives
Speaker 1: for unknown reason, unknown triggers some experiences where trauma triggers
Speaker 1: these experiences. I know that there has been heavy psychological
Speaker 1: operations that are based off of these mind control ops
Speaker 1: that came out of the sixties and seventies and probably
Speaker 1: have been implemented in many different ways through our modern technology, pharmaceuticals,
Speaker 1: our entertainment business. So culture creation has taken place in
Speaker 1: many different formats, especially when it comes to this UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 1: But what do you think are some of the deeper
Speaker 1: levels and purposes for it?
Speaker 4: So at some point the power players, okay, you know,
Speaker 4: let's not even identify them. There's human beings around in
Speaker 4: controllable society and they have access to different stuff. I'm
Speaker 4: talking generically. At some point they became aware that there
Speaker 4: is a reality that we cannot access with our senses,
Speaker 4: higher frequency and reality, and they also realized that there
Speaker 4: are is a very thin veil between it. Actually there's
Speaker 4: no veil. The veil is created by our senses. And
Speaker 4: they also realized that human beings have the capability to
Speaker 4: operate on other frequencies than where we sense. And they
Speaker 4: also realized that there is an organic way to achieve this,
Speaker 4: which has been done since the dawn of a mankind,
Speaker 4: and an circled enlightened person, and not talk about this
Speaker 4: classical stage, Dur, I'm talking about a real enlightened person
Speaker 4: would never, never ever cease attention, would never put him
Speaker 4: or herself out there and try to gain followers. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's not an enlightened person anyway, let's not go there.
Speaker 4: So but the problem with becoming an enlightened person, and
Speaker 4: I'm talking generic about that too, because there's different ways
Speaker 4: to become enlightened, different areas, et cetera. We all have
Speaker 4: almost an unlimited field of area to plow to develop. So,
Speaker 4: but they realize that it's mutually exclusive to their self.
Speaker 4: Because these people are power people. They are petty, they're greedy,
Speaker 4: they are petulant, they are selfish, they are primitive, they
Speaker 4: are impatient, they are materialistic. Many of them are evil
Speaker 4: and statistic. So like, they have all the wrong qualities
Speaker 4: to conquer and cease this domain by themselves organically. But
Speaker 4: can it be done in other ways? For example, can
Speaker 4: we take one of these people, you know, they never
Speaker 4: put like, for example, who was put into these programs
Speaker 4: of developing par site what's.
Speaker 1: It called Parside Institute?
Speaker 4: None of the ability remote viewing, remote viewing, yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: or astra projection all that. They always need to take
Speaker 4: normal people who are buying into the system and yeah,
Speaker 4: I a soldier for example, Yes, I represent my homeland
Speaker 4: and I believe in the flag and all that.
Speaker 2: So what do you want me to do?
Speaker 4: Right, So they take normal people. It's very hard for
Speaker 4: them to in cooperate with actual enlightened people, but they
Speaker 4: have to take people with potential. So that's one way
Speaker 4: they can do it. They can put the plubs in
Speaker 4: an experiment with the plubs and see how far the
Speaker 4: plubs can go and see if they can steer results
Speaker 4: that way. The Soviets did the same, right, they had
Speaker 4: people who worked for their agenda, but even a better way,
Speaker 4: because you never want to work with human beings. The
Speaker 4: problem with human beings, this is why they need AI,
Speaker 4: is that human beings have not consciousness but conscience. Is
Speaker 4: that what you're say, a conscience? They have ethic, they
Speaker 4: have they love pee other people, they have ideals. Maybe
Speaker 4: they build like an advert Snowden. Right, if this was
Speaker 4: a twenty year in the future, they will need ed
Speaker 4: the Snowden to do whatever he was doing, but now
Speaker 4: they needed normal people. And normal people are going to
Speaker 4: be a disturbance when they start peeling off some of
Speaker 4: the layer of the rule, how rotten it is underneath,
Speaker 4: and then they're gonna it's unpredictable how they will react, right,
Speaker 4: and human beings will are ingenious as too. We will
Speaker 4: spontaneously discover all these things that they are doing, which
Speaker 4: is why first layer of resistance is to say nothing
Speaker 4: of it exists. Second layer of existence is to punish
Speaker 4: you if you try to if you still operate as
Speaker 4: if it exists, not going to get any job, You're
Speaker 4: going to be ridiculed. You're going to be punished, especially
Speaker 4: if you're academician. Because we have given all the powers.
Speaker 4: That's a new priests, right, So you can't have priests.
Speaker 4: You can't have Catholic priests saying there's no help. And
Speaker 4: when you want a Catholic head Germany, it's just going
Speaker 4: to be the same with the so called scientists. That's
Speaker 4: why the whole COVID house of cards are calming down now.
Speaker 4: People aren't believing in medicine or anything at all. The
Speaker 4: baby's coming out with the bath water is what they did.
Speaker 2: So and the third layer is to.
Speaker 4: Go after them if something happens. First case scenario, kill
Speaker 4: them right, burn them at a steak. So nothing has changed,
Speaker 4: it's just the sophistication of how we're doing this. We're
Speaker 4: still operating at the same level as thousand years ago
Speaker 4: or whatever. So machines going to be better than humans.
Speaker 4: Can we use machines to manipulate consciousness? Haven we use
Speaker 4: machines to open a little filter, open some vortexes, open
Speaker 4: some looking into the range of because then we have
Speaker 4: don't have to deal with any of these pesky human
Speaker 4: beings normal human beings. Then we the elite, the powers
Speaker 4: that be, the psychopaths, can advance or agenda freely. And
Speaker 4: this is what they're doing and what's happening. And they
Speaker 4: wanna they wanna root out human beings that have too
Speaker 4: much of our spiritual footprints, which is why the more
Speaker 4: spiritual you really are, the more under the radar you
Speaker 4: try to go, and the less people who know about
Speaker 4: you and have heard about you. So this is the
Speaker 4: reason for secret societies to begin with, because nothing new
Speaker 4: under the sun. It wasn't primarily to operate in secret
Speaker 4: to do evil, which also works, of course, but you
Speaker 4: don't have to do that if you are all mighty. Now,
Speaker 4: the Dominicans didn't have to be secret about burning others
Speaker 4: at the stake, right. Sure they could have some intel
Speaker 4: spy groups whatever like, because it's so evil what we're doing.
Speaker 4: It's so anti human what we're doing that not even
Speaker 4: our own can know about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure those.
Speaker 4: Things like pope rapings, clubs in the Vatican and behind
Speaker 4: the scenes. Sure stuff like that can go on. But
Speaker 4: for the most part, if you're going to be put
Speaker 4: a political player and operate in secrecy, it's because you
Speaker 4: want to usurp the current powers. So it's usually how
Speaker 4: you get a revolution about is that you organize them
Speaker 4: cells that when the secret police come and get you,
Speaker 4: you only know about your immediate like there are protection mechanisms,
Speaker 4: and spiritually it's the same thing, So you shouldn't be
Speaker 4: immediately skeptical when it comes to the spiritual stuff and
Speaker 4: players that are going under the radar, like the Gnostics
Speaker 4: had to organize themselves like that. Just to take an
Speaker 4: example of the Sufis, when they were confronted with dogmatic
Speaker 4: or orthodox forces, and so what was the original question.
Speaker 1: Forgot we were talking about the deeper levels of the operation,
Speaker 1: of the psychological UFO operation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring it back there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so we know for sure that there are
Speaker 4: metaphysical aspects to it. And that's because even the physical UFOs,
Speaker 4: meaning even the dismos, even the machines, become metaphysical in
Speaker 4: some point they start accelerating. You know, the classical experiment
Speaker 4: in the eighteen hundreds, you had this tingling around rum
Speaker 4: rum and it goes faster, right, and then the sound
Speaker 4: goes up one at some point out of the limited
Speaker 4: range of sound, right, same with physical movement. It starts
Speaker 4: changing colors. It goes from red the lowest frequency spectr
Speaker 4: up to viole at the highest it starts. You cannot
Speaker 4: see a wheel moving. It goes fast enough, it looks
Speaker 4: as if it's standing still, right, and eventually it goes
Speaker 4: out of the limited range of vision, so called invisible,
Speaker 4: so you can't hear it anymore and you can't see
Speaker 4: it anymore. Now, when we come to anti gravity, they
Speaker 4: have even more hurdles they have to pass, so they
Speaker 4: are going up to a level of vibration where you
Speaker 4: could you could still pick them up with let's say
Speaker 4: ultra violet, and that's why we see so many upiece
Speaker 4: in the ultra violet specter around in the world. Like
Speaker 4: you have these football stadium ciss in our atmosphere beyond
Speaker 4: our atmosphere, which I think are organic. I cannot fathom
Speaker 4: that those could be beings like us.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. I had a gentleman that specializes in
Speaker 1: different filters, in different types of photography of the sky,
Speaker 1: and he's captured these plasma like amoeba like organic looking
Speaker 1: massive creatures in the sky that can't be seen but
Speaker 1: through some of these special filters that were he used
Speaker 1: on his camera. So that's very interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this goes back to the fifties. One proponent of this,
Speaker 4: he wasn't by far, the only one was wille Roche.
Speaker 4: He developed a machine to bust them because he found
Speaker 4: some critters who were sucking on vitality, so they were yeah,
Speaker 4: cloud busting machines he developed. He had his he called
Speaker 4: it orgone. He had his own terminology, but it was
Speaker 4: highly scientifical.
Speaker 2: Of course, he got crushed by the.
Speaker 4: Food and vruge administration and others. So then you already
Speaker 4: then you're not going to come here and challenge our hemoney.
Speaker 4: This area is our hegemonon But where are we So
Speaker 4: when we have machines and tools who go into the
Speaker 4: metaphysical level, let's call it that done. You're gonna start.
Speaker 4: You see, it's the same thing we live now in
Speaker 4: People are extremely ignorant about wireless. In my country, everybody
Speaker 4: is like, I want as much violess as possible. Opposite,
Speaker 4: I want as much wired as possible because I know
Speaker 4: that some frequencies interfering with or organic are damaging. It's
Speaker 4: the same as eating poison. Some frequencies are neutral, some
Speaker 4: are beneficial. So but anyone who discovers a machine, oh
Speaker 4: my god, it's a machine that influences my organism somehow,
Speaker 4: it must be positive. You see that in New age.
Speaker 4: So they beam themselves with all sorts of machines. They
Speaker 4: have no idea what the machine is doing. They just
Speaker 4: I feel an effect. It must be good. They don't
Speaker 4: know if it's inducing candle or whatever. It is right,
Speaker 4: because there are some frequencies that resonates, some dissonate, some
Speaker 4: are neutral. The trick is to know which one are
Speaker 4: beneficial and which one or not. And so so my
Speaker 4: point is that when you have that that was just
Speaker 4: for machines, but when you have these gifts, most going off.
Speaker 4: They notice, hey, we're interfering with human beings, our organism, yes,
Speaker 4: but even consciousness. And then they can then then enter
Speaker 4: mind control agendas. Right, how can we can we create
Speaker 4: an urge? Can we create fear? They're like they have
Speaker 4: weapons quote unquote to I think the original idea was
Speaker 4: to use it to protesters, because that's the worst nightmare, right,
Speaker 4: is the pitch fox and the torches and the masses
Speaker 4: rising up. So they can instill they can activate the
Speaker 4: fear center in our brain. They have things that can
Speaker 4: make us hallucinate. They have things that can make us
Speaker 4: oblivious and forget time labs. Right, So there are many
Speaker 4: sophisticated ways, not the most sophistic you know, not the
Speaker 4: most paranoid. They can also create sounds that we hear, right,
Speaker 4: that are not outside. So, but the perception of sound,
Speaker 4: it's the same you hear sound. Sound isn't dependent on
Speaker 4: sound vibration. Sound vibration is just a medium for sound.
Speaker 4: When I now make a lot of noises, I press
Speaker 4: pressure air out of my mouth, and I compress it,
Speaker 4: and I click it, and I douce different stuff about it.
Speaker 4: It's just a codification of energy and codifying energy with
Speaker 4: these movements of energy. And then it goes to this microphone. Now,
Speaker 4: this microphone picks up on this pressure and it translates
Speaker 4: it to digital impulses that are going all the way.
Speaker 4: You're in America somewhere, and so when it comes out here,
Speaker 4: it comes out still as pressure waves, has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with what I originally pushed out. And then it
Speaker 4: goes into your ear. First is picked up by the
Speaker 4: drum with drum English, yeah, something like that. Now that
Speaker 4: one interpretates, so there's already like ten layers of interpretation
Speaker 4: of signals, right, that interprets it again. And since that
Speaker 4: interpretation further through your neurons and your nerves, and eventually,
Speaker 4: after many layers of translations, it's like one man standing
Speaker 4: in the inside the mine and I see this screaming
Speaker 4: that to the next mine. Oh, I see this screaming
Speaker 4: that to the next month, or like this in the
Speaker 4: old days when they was putting these fires in the
Speaker 4: mountains and they were sending them further. So eventually it
Speaker 4: arrives in the synapsis of your brain, where it interacts
Speaker 4: with your consciousness and it creates an image for your consciousness.
Speaker 4: In this case, it creates a sound image. So you
Speaker 4: think you're hearing my voice, and it's not like it's
Speaker 4: completely irrelevant from what I'm doing, because I can still
Speaker 4: influence what you're hearing, because at the end of the
Speaker 4: causation for this vibration comes from what I'm doing. But
Speaker 4: it's nothing like the thing in itself you're perceiving. You're
Speaker 4: perceiving ten level translation interpretation.
Speaker 2: It's like this.
Speaker 4: Game what you call it telephone in English, we call
Speaker 4: it the whisper game. You stop by whispering something that
Speaker 4: one whispers to the next, that one to the next,
Speaker 4: and when it comes around, it's becomes something completely different
Speaker 4: that happens to it's distorted to a certain degree, but
Speaker 4: it's still related to what the first one deviced, and
Speaker 4: so it's the same here. So they cannot in detail
Speaker 4: still do this manipulation. Now, if you were a really
Speaker 4: spiritual being, a really enlightened being that really conquered most
Speaker 4: of the human limitations, you would be able to do
Speaker 4: this without any machines. But the thing is, when you're
Speaker 4: at that level, you have no why the.
Speaker 2: Fuck would you do It's excuse my French, you have
Speaker 2: no to do that.
Speaker 4: You know, If anything, you want to help people and
Speaker 4: make them become So no, they have to. These people
Speaker 4: want to do that, and of course some of them
Speaker 4: justify it by I have to do it, so you
Speaker 4: know they do it. We're doing this for the better.
Speaker 4: We have to control because it's going to be better,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. They have justifications, okay, but when you're
Speaker 4: on the wrong side of that justification, you never agree anyway.
Speaker 4: So so yeah, there are interactions that are metaphysical or spiritual,
Speaker 4: and there's beings operating at that level. As you said,
Speaker 4: these beings. Are they anewable like stupid or do they
Speaker 4: have intelligences? That's an important question. And then you have
Speaker 4: at anyway they say peaceful because they never retaliate or
Speaker 4: anything very rarely. If they do anything like that, it's
Speaker 4: defense like some of these ups running havoc.
Speaker 2: Now, these drones.
Speaker 4: Obviously from our civilization at least human physical players, they
Speaker 4: would belong to the first category I talked about, the
Speaker 4: first of the second, most likely the first. Then you
Speaker 4: have what's deliberately been conflating with these drones, which are
Speaker 4: not drones at all, which are plasma phenomenon out there
Speaker 4: and now interacting with these drones. I think that these
Speaker 4: are the reason these drones are out there, because these
Speaker 4: drones are is having youthful flat for them, But the
Speaker 4: same for these plasmas. And these plasmas are either organic
Speaker 4: things or they are the third category things not in
Speaker 4: our three D four D dimension, but are operating temporarily
Speaker 4: here to interact with us for some reason, whether they're
Speaker 4: exploring or whatever they're doing, cleaning up or mass to
Speaker 4: some extent, seems like in many cases these it's not
Speaker 4: the drones that are hovering over the nuclear sides. There
Speaker 4: could also be creations of our own fantastical mind. We
Speaker 4: are loose cannons, you know. Portageists always teenagers. Children are
Speaker 4: teenagers with a lot of superfluous psychic energy that are
Speaker 4: completely uncontrolled. So in a similar way, it could be
Speaker 4: a spill, a collective spill like an agregore like that,
Speaker 4: or a tolpa. And then here in Norway, since eighty
Speaker 4: one we've been having scientific open studies, scientific open studies
Speaker 4: by universities. Nothing classified, nothing military, nothing secret, nothing fine
Speaker 4: of you uapiece, because we had a upho flap in
Speaker 4: a remote valley and it never stopped and it became
Speaker 4: a gold mine, and nobody has heard about it. And
Speaker 4: they barely get means and money too, but they do
Speaker 4: what they can within the limited locations they get. And
Speaker 4: what they have found is that since eighty one to
Speaker 4: ninety one, two one, twenty twenty one, for thirty five
Speaker 4: years now, they have found that all the things that
Speaker 4: are associated with UAPs are actually also manifested there. They
Speaker 4: have energy things and plasma phenomenons, they have physical things,
Speaker 4: they have things that that's the weird thing. It's not
Speaker 4: like one thing. So they think it's like a portal,
Speaker 4: and out of this portal is spilling all sorts of phenomena.
Speaker 4: And I guess like if you had a portal that
Speaker 4: went the other way, that anything from Earth could trip
Speaker 4: and fall into this hole. They would see different things
Speaker 4: popping up, right, They could see humans, animals, machines, plants, whatever.
Speaker 4: So maybe in maybe who knows how exotic the FLOORA
Speaker 4: and Fahona is at the other side, right at the
Speaker 4: immediately level above us. Remember there's many levels and then
Speaker 4: you have another phenomenon, and that's that there are entities
Speaker 4: in our universe which are super advanced. Like remember, why
Speaker 4: did I worship the sun? Where they superstitious and they
Speaker 4: didn't know any better, No, had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 4: Even that civilization, those civilizations knew the Earth was around.
Speaker 4: They were worshiping the Sun because they acknowledged that the
Speaker 4: Sun is a love. They acknowledged that the Sun actually
Speaker 4: is an comprive. What do you say, compremier saying it's
Speaker 4: a compressed I think it's a word. It's a compressed life.
Speaker 2: Form.
Speaker 4: Is like pure life force compressed. It's like spilling out.
Speaker 4: Uh and yeah, so so that energy. So so the
Speaker 4: Sun was an entity. It was a good It had
Speaker 4: a higher consciousness. Now, for for the son, we are
Speaker 4: but bacteria right. Uh, we are moving so fast that
Speaker 4: it can't like like the Sun seems to be standing
Speaker 4: still for us one second. For the Sun is probably
Speaker 4: one revolving around a bigger entity again, namely the central
Speaker 4: point of the galaxy where all the sons are circulating around.
Speaker 4: Then you have the galaxy clusters that are going around
Speaker 4: their point. Again, everything is spiral, everything is rotating and vibrating.
Speaker 4: Everything is torsion, even when you zoom in to micro levels.
Speaker 4: So we're dealing here with our universal principle. Now for us,
Speaker 4: just like we cannot perceive into certain vibration range, it's
Speaker 4: the same I said. It looks at it if it's
Speaker 4: standing still, because it goes so fast, right, and at
Speaker 4: certain it just disappears. It's the same with the sun.
Speaker 4: It looks as it's standing still because it is so slow.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Granted, we can see it move, not by the mere eye,
Speaker 4: but if we have a camera, we can see it
Speaker 4: move during twenty four hours. Right, it goes up and down.
Speaker 4: This is why they had to have patients in the
Speaker 4: ancient civilizations and meticulously measure because they had lost the
Speaker 4: tools to the sophisticated tools we have now. But they
Speaker 4: could still do it by basic measurements, and they already
Speaker 4: had inherited enough information to apply it sensible to different things. So,
Speaker 4: but for the naked eye, it seems to be standing still.
Speaker 4: The vibration is so slow because you're now dealing with
Speaker 4: a bigger entity. So when you come across a ant
Speaker 4: or let us say a fly, you are looking like sluggish,
Speaker 4: slow thing, not as slow as the sun. That's a
Speaker 4: bigger discrepancy in size and distance. But for the fly,
Speaker 4: you're still are very slow. So you're going to smack
Speaker 4: the fly right, and you're calling like this, and it's
Speaker 4: like the fly is sitting there egging you on. I
Speaker 4: wonder when he will When should I leave? Should I
Speaker 4: let him come a little a little closer? He can
Speaker 4: he can get before I decide. That's why if you
Speaker 4: want to smack a fly, you have to be very slow,
Speaker 4: very slow, very slow, because then the fly thinks, hmm,
Speaker 4: it's a big thing. He's standing still, standing still, right,
Speaker 4: And when you're very close to it, it doesn't have
Speaker 4: that's a critical space, and.
Speaker 2: Then you smack it. That's the way to do it.
Speaker 4: And you trick it by using and you will see
Speaker 4: the same in meditation like I was once upon a
Speaker 4: time as a meditation coach, and there's many different types
Speaker 4: of meditation, and you have one type of meditation where
Speaker 4: the meditators afterwards they say, wow, has it only been
Speaker 4: five minutes? It felt like a goddamn hour.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It's the same phenomena happening in accidents car accidents. Right
Speaker 4: time is you have time to do everything. You know
Speaker 4: exactly what's going on, blah blah blah, but it's just
Speaker 4: bits like Okay, same in meditation, but then you have
Speaker 4: the other, the opposite form of meditation, where.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's been an hour I thought it was. It
Speaker 2: felt like five minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now that was what I just said, right, So
Speaker 4: I meant it's been five minutes felt like. So the
Speaker 4: difference is your consciousness. If you expand your consciousness during
Speaker 4: meditation or if you assume in your consciousness and crystallize it,
Speaker 4: time perception is going to be opposite. I had actually
Speaker 4: a show about time and time perception with Anthony Peak
Speaker 4: that you've had where we went into that. So but anyway,
Speaker 4: I talked myself away. We were talking about UFO. So
Speaker 4: to answer your question very simply, yes, they discovered they
Speaker 4: can interact, but there is Remember, folks, they are not
Speaker 4: omni science. These people they know some things, and they
Speaker 4: know more than we do in terms of what they
Speaker 4: have found out by experimenting and poking stuff, but they
Speaker 4: are very stupid. At the end of the day, I
Speaker 4: would rather listen to a real enlightened human being than
Speaker 4: someone who has access to all the great choice of
Speaker 4: our current cha in charge.
Speaker 1: Yes man, aw this was fantastic information. We're going to
Speaker 1: have to close out here, but I'd love to have
Speaker 1: you back on soon. There's so much more we can
Speaker 1: get into. I'd love to get into the deeper layers
Speaker 1: of this. But one thing that we could probably wrap
Speaker 1: up saying is that much of what we experience with
Speaker 1: the UFO phenomena has to do with weaponizing our perception
Speaker 1: and using our own creative and imaginal abilities to manifest
Speaker 1: the outcomes that these parasites are looking to put forward.
Speaker 1: So having an understanding of this, I believe is the
Speaker 1: first step to not participating and not getting yourself attached
Speaker 1: to it or involved in any dangerous way. So this
Speaker 1: is great information. Al, thank you so much. Before we
Speaker 1: get out.
Speaker 4: The wisdom of the ancients, you were touching it, North,
Speaker 4: it's out on. Know yourself and you shall know the
Speaker 4: gods and cosmos. That's the whole quote. So I agree,
Speaker 4: you know the thing in yourself, clean up your perception,
Speaker 4: have a clear idea of what's going on. All that
Speaker 4: stuff you said, North is out on. That's our best
Speaker 4: bet until some remote day when there's going to be
Speaker 4: a complete disclosure.
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