WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:07.639 Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today, 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:10.359 I want to welcome Anthony Peak. He is a best 3 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:15.279 selling author, lecturer, broadcaster, and leading thinker in the area 4 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:20.600 of consciousness studies. His ideas apply scientific reasoning to some 5 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:25.039 of the greatest mysteries of the universe. Anthony, Welcome. How 6 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:25.480 you doing. 7 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:28.160 I'm doing really well. 8 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:30.320 Thank you very much for having you on your interesting show. 9 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:32.719 Thank you so much for coming on. I've been really 10 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:36.000 looking forward to this. I've been following your work for 11 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.119 a while, and today I wanted to discuss your book 12 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:44.479 The Hidden Universe and Investigation into non human intelligences. When 13 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:47.399 I first started doing this almost a decade ago now, 14 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:51.240 my perspective on non human intelligences was much different than 15 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.240 it is now, and I'm sure it will continue to 16 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.920 evolve with new information. But the more I've learned, the 17 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.320 less I seem to really know, and the time topic 18 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.359 really seems to broaden exponentially with each new piece of 19 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:08.120 information that comes along. So I'm really looking forward to 20 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.760 getting your insights into this as well as other realms 21 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.840 of human consciousness. But this is your first time on. 22 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.239 Before we get too deep, tell the audience that may 23 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.879 not be familiar with you. A little bit about yourself 24 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:21.920 and your work. 25 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:29.319 Okay, I've been writing now for nearly twenty five years now. 26 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.400 My thirteenth book has recently been published in the USA 27 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:35.959 and it will be coming out in the UK in March. 28 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.040 By background, I'm a sociologist. That was my university training, 29 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.920 and I also did postgrad work at the London School 30 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:48.200 of Economics as well. But the areas I'm interested in 31 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:52.560 really is the interface between human beings and what we 32 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.760 consider to be external reality, and it's something that's fascinated 33 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.959 me ever since i was a child, and I'm now 34 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:03.959 fortunate enough now that because I'm how would we call it, 35 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.760 probably traditionally published, in the sense that publishers pay me 36 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.240 to write the books for them and pay me in 37 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:13.199 advance and everything, it means that I've been able to 38 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.120 really concentrate about on my writing. And although I work 39 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.439 as a management consultant, or have been working as a 40 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.879 management consultant, I've been in the position that I've been 41 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.080 able to focus in on my writing more. 42 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:24.639 Than anything else. 43 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:27.479 And I'm now in the fortunate position that I've got 44 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:33.039 books in virtually every single European language and also book 45 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.280 sales now in the region of around about one hundred 46 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:39.360 and fifty thousand worldwide, so it's doing quite well. And 47 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:42.879 as you said earlier on, I think it's so true 48 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.319 that statement. The more I know, the less I know, 49 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.000 because this is exactly how I feel. The deeper you 50 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.479 get down the rabbit hole, the more confusing it becomes, 51 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.400 and the more intriguing it becomes. 52 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:56.879 Now, what I'd like to start with is a pretty 53 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:01.120 broad topic, and we can branch off through the the 54 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.800 realm of intelligence and the possible entire universe beyond our 55 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:11.639 perception that may exist that may be able to interact 56 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.680 with us. The nature of that is it within our 57 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:19.080 consciousness or is our consciousness connected to this field. That's 58 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:23.680 some questions that we could delve into. But there does 59 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.159 seem to be a realm beyond what we can perceive 60 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:33.800 with life, with forms of intelligence that can influence us, 61 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:38.680 that can interact with us. And we can even put 62 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:43.840 ourselves into these altered states to where we can perceive 63 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:48.000 these realms a little bit more than normal. And I 64 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.840 spent about two and a half years immersing myself into 65 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:56.120 psychedelic experiences so that I could learn more about this 66 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:59.919 because I myself have never had any quote unquote paranormal 67 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:05.879 or metaphysical experiences before this, So I was so fascinated 68 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.319 with these topics I've been doing this show, and I 69 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:13.759 wanted to have an experience myself that would help me 70 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:19.680 better understand what is happening when we're interacting with these intelligences. 71 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.480 Like I said earlier, even though I immersed myself in 72 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.199 this and I talk to people like yourself on a 73 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:31.120 daily basis, I have more questions every day than any 74 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:35.040 answers that I've had. So talk a little bit about 75 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:42.959 your understanding of this realm beyond our perception. There seems 76 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:46.680 to be different layers to it. There also seems to 77 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.600 be hierarchies of intelligences. Talk a little bit about your 78 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:55.040 understanding of the basics of this, and then we'll branch 79 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:55.920 off from. 80 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:01.560 There, right, Okay, Anybody who knows me and knows my 81 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.879 writings know that my starting point is and always will 82 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:11.199 be science and logic. And by this I mean real science. 83 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.879 I don't mean hypothetic. Well to a degree, I mean 84 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:17.839 hypothetical science as well. But for me, in order to 85 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.759 explain what is taking place here, we have to use 86 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.879 the science as we understand it, or the way in 87 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.600 which we believe science is going to develop. Now, the 88 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:32.800 major point that people tend to miss is the interface 89 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:39.079 between consciousness and external reality. Now, consciousness is something that 90 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.680 seems to just spontaneously appear in the brain for no 91 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.120 apparent reason. In fact, neurologists have the term They call 92 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.839 it an epiphenomenon of brain processes, because there is absolutely 93 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:58.560 no reason why self referential consciousness should have evolved, because effectively, 94 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.120 the most effective creatures out there are the ones that 95 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:08.040 consponse conspontaneously through instinct, react to the external environment, and 96 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.879 they can survive perfectly effectively without having to worry about 97 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.600 falling in love, without worrying about emotions, without worrying about 98 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.240 hate or love or all these other things. So it 99 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:21.720 seems to be a very peculiar thing that's taken place 100 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:24.920 within the human brain, and possibly the brains of all 101 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:28.959 advanced mammals. Probably we don't know exactly whether dogs and 102 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:33.000 cats have suffered referential consciousness, but we know we definitely have. 103 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:34.120 Now. 104 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.800 The question then arises as to where this consciousness comes from. Now, 105 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.079 as I've said in one of my earlier books, you know, 106 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:45.600 is it the addition of one molecule within the brain. 107 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.160 Is it an addition of one qualk? Is it? Is 108 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:54.720 it an amalgam of complexity? It does consciousness just spontaneously 109 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.120 appear when the brain becomes a certain level of complexity, 110 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.639 you know, And again this is called the immersion, the immersion, 111 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:07.000 that the immersion. There's an argument that it just comes, 112 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:10.480 it just happens when things reach a certain level of complexity. 113 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.839 But this doesn't answer anything. And indeed, way back, I 114 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.879 think it was in nineteen ninety six, a young Australian 115 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.920 philosopher by the name of David Chalmers stood up at 116 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:23.839 the University of Arizona. I don't know if you know, 117 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.000 but every year there's this huge event at the University 118 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.199 of Arizona that they discussed consciousness. And he shook everybody 119 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.079 by turning around and saying that there are two major 120 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:37.079 issues with science and with the brain. There's the soft 121 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.240 problem of the brain, which is understanding how the brain works, 122 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.360 how the neurochemicals work, how the neurotransmitters work, how the 123 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.199 synapses work, and how communication crosses the brain. But then 124 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:52.040 there's the hard problem, which is exactly what he called it. 125 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:55.560 It's the hard problem of consciousness. How does what is 126 00:07:55.639 --> 00:08:02.800 technically inanimate matter, These are electrons and quarks technically reacting 127 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:07.279 within electromagnetic fields, how do they create consciousness? How do 128 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.000 they create beings? That I said before, worry about things, 129 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:15.399 have dreams, have perceptions, and we are not even at 130 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.920 first base at this. So this is the first thing 131 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.639 that we need to understand is we have no understanding 132 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:23.600 of what consciousness is. So therefore we have no understanding 133 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.000 of whatever that entity is in our head that is 134 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.199 observing the world around us. So when we talk about 135 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.519 coming across entities, we have to really start going right 136 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.519 back to say, well, what is doing the perceiving of 137 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:40.519 the entities in the first place. Then we need to 138 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:45.240 look into how the brain processes information. Now, there is 139 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:50.960 a beautiful term that's used by by consciousness studies experts, 140 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.159 and it's called naive realism. And what naive realism is 141 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.320 in effect, is that anybody who believes that there's a 142 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.559 one to one relationship between you see, what you hear, 143 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.080 what you taste, what you touch with what is physically 144 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.799 out there is being phenomenally naive because everything that you 145 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:14.240 are perceiving now from your visual systems to the sounds 146 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:18.279 and everything else is being processed by your brain. You know, 147 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.440 you don't have a direct interface with physical reality. And 148 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:24.600 I use the argument here for example, as a simple 149 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.960 example of this, that people think they touch things. You 150 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:32.399 think you're touching something when you sit on a churn 151 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.720 and you feel that your backside is touching the chair, 152 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.200 it's not. What is happening is that you're hovering above 153 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:44.519 the chair. Because there's something called electrostatic repulsion, which, effectively, 154 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:49.000 in simple terms, the outer shells of every atom in 155 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:54.399 every molecule has an electron whizzing past in the outer shell. 156 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:59.240 That electron is negatively charged, as are the electrons in 157 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:02.639 the atoms in your fingers. So when you touch something, 158 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.679 what effectively is happening As you approach a physical object, 159 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:10.320 what happens is you remember with magnets like charges repel. 160 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.120 Now this is what happens. You literally you never touch it. 161 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.840 What you feel is the electrostatic energy. You do not fit, 162 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.000 You do not touch anything. So suddenly the idea of 163 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.440 reality being out there and you can touch it, the 164 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:28.159 idea that something is technically tangible, Reality isn't tangible, It 165 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.840 is not touchable. We never interface with it. Then we 166 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.559 come back to the idea of oh, well we see things, 167 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.080 Well we don't. Actually what we do is is a 168 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:42.639 photon of light, which uncertain circumstances, can be a wave 169 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.159 or a particle, depending on whether it's observed or not, 170 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:47.759 depending on whether it's measured, which is something we can 171 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.279 touch upon later. But effectively, a series of photons of 172 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.919 light go into your eye and then they hit the 173 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.120 retina at the back of the eye. They are then 174 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:02.080 converted into electrochemical signal which then it is taken. Now 175 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.200 the retina, which is where the technically the image in 176 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.000 raised commas for visual reality is created, is at the 177 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.480 back of the eye and its postage stamp size, and 178 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.440 it's inverted those signals from that postage stamp image goes 179 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.279 along the optic nerve, crosses what's called the optic chasma, 180 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:22.919 which we'll touch on later because it's crucial as a 181 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:27.159 concept overall hypothesis. It then goes back to the darkest 182 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.720 part of the brain, the visual cortex behind the ears, 183 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:34.399 and it is there that these this information, which is 184 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.039 basically what it is, is suddenly processed by the visual 185 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:44.799 cortex to create this surrounding imagery that is massive that 186 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:48.679 fills your visual field, and it has depth, it has color, 187 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.679 it has all these things. But it is literally just 188 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:57.600 a signal. The actual imagery is not in your eyes. 189 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:01.759 The imagery is created by your visual cortex, which is 190 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:06.600 then presented to this magical consciousness thing, whatever it is 191 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:10.559 that happens to be in your brain. So when scientists 192 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.679 make these ground statements that they understand fully what is 193 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:20.440 happening in the true nature of reality, it's nonsense, you know, 194 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.840 it's hubris. We have a scientific model that is very 195 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.080 effective at describing things, but it doesn't describe in detail. 196 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:34.440 And this is why many many skeptics avoid engaging with me, 197 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:36.679 because they tend to think that it's going to be 198 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.039 easy to engage with somebody who is interested in this 199 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.759 kind of subject. What they don't expect is somebody who's 200 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.000 acting going down to the quantum mechanics, that is actually 201 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.600 going down to the neurology, going down to the consciousness studies, 202 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.000 going down to how we perceive things and perception studies. 203 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.279 So then we start to realize that the whole idea 204 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:59.600 of out there and in here starts to dissolve. It's 205 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:03.440 suddenly starts to disappear, and suddenly we're starting to realize, well, 206 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.200 what exactly is that external reality out there? What is 207 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:12.399 its true nature? Now, latest research over many years is 208 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.200 coming to the conclusion that what is out there is 209 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:20.440 holographic in nature, and its basis is information. It's data, 210 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:26.879 and it is being processed by the brain from somewhere 211 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:32.759 else and literally projected out into this external reality. Now again, 212 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.159 we think that we see everything there is to see, 213 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.440 but that isn't We see a very tiny part of 214 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:45.120 the electromagnetic spectrum, which we think is the visual world, 215 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:46.600 all the colors we see. 216 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:47.360 Now. 217 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.759 I came up with an example of this a few 218 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:52.200 years ago for one of my books, and I said, 219 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:57.679 the imagine the electromagnetic spectrum that is effectively light and 220 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:01.639 all the other elements of electromagnetic energy, and they go 221 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.360 from gamma rays at one end to radio waves in 222 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:10.120 the other. So they're very fast and very highly energetic 223 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:14.240 at one end, and they're very slow moving and everything else. 224 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:14.519 At the other. 225 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:21.200 Now, if that electromagnetic field was the Mississippi River, you know, 226 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.320 it starts in a little lake in Minnesota, and it 227 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:25.279 warns its way through the center of the United States 228 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.320 and it comes out in the Gulf of Mexico. The 229 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:32.279 visual world that we think is everything that possibly is 230 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.240 is one and a half inches around about eight miles 231 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.360 south of Hannibal, Missouri. So there is all this thing 232 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.639 we cannot see because our senses cut us down, and 233 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:46.840 in them we come down to the fact of colors themselves. 234 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.679 There's no such thing as red or blue or green. 235 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:53.639 They're just vibrational states of the electromagnetic spectrum that our 236 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:57.480 brain interprets as being red. So there is no red. 237 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.879 You cannot literally take it as red, all, okay. So 238 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.559 then we then start to move into then, well what 239 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:09.240 is really going on here? You know, suddenly everything we 240 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.720 think is real isn't. And there's been some astonishing research 241 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.960 done recently in and I cited in my latest book, 242 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.879 and it's been a local university here, the University of Sussex, 243 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:27.519 and they've been doing research on psilocybin magic mushrooms, And 244 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.360 what they wanted to know was that when somebody has 245 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:34.480 an hallucinogenic substance magic muthrooms, d MT hiahuasca, whatever, we 246 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.759 want to talk about what actually happens in the brain. Now, 247 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.720 the logical conclusion the scientists believed was that. I think 248 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:43.879 it's annal Seth is the guy that's been doing this work, 249 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.559 by the way, and I think that they came to 250 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:49.320 the conclusion that what must happen in the brain is 251 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:55.519 that when we have hallucination, when a psychedelic substance causes 252 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.600 hallucinations in the brain, what it does is it makes 253 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.639 parts of the brain communic quicker, which creates the hallucinations. 254 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.879 You know, we start to associate things in different ways 255 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.679 like we do when we dream. So what they did 256 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.919 was they had somebody take magic mushrooms and then they 257 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:17.159 scan the brain using hyper definition PET scans and fMRI 258 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.519 scans and everything, so they could scan literally what was 259 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:24.559 happening in the brain. Much to their astonishment, they discovered 260 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:31.120 that the psychedelic substance in psilocybin switches the brain's ability off. 261 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:35.120 It switches part of the brain off, brain activity starts 262 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:41.320 to cease. Now this is extraordinary because it means effectively 263 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.919 that what is taking place is that the hallucinationy substance 264 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.080 is actually stopping the brain's ability to be an attenuator. 265 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.360 It's stopping the brain's ability to cut out information. So 266 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.559 what the psilocybin does and what ayahuasca does and DMT 267 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:01.279 does is it cuts down the brain, so we're perceiving 268 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:05.519 a broader reality. And it's in not broader reality that 269 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:09.000 we find the entities. We find all these weird and 270 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:12.440 wonderful things that have intrigued my kind since forever. 271 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:18.920 Now this brings us to the actual experience and whether 272 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.920 or not it'll be positive or negative, what types of 273 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.720 entities we're interacting with. And I've discovered, based on my 274 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:31.799 own experiences, that it is heavily filtered through our perception, 275 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.200 through our previous experiences, through our traumas. And as an example, 276 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:43.160 when I first started utilizing psilocybin, the experiences were very 277 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.720 dark and it brought up a lot of trauma, a 278 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.200 lot of things I had to work through, and I 279 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:54.599 was presented with evil, malevolent entities that represented some of 280 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.119 this trauma. And it wasn't un till I started healing 281 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:01.960 working through this at the experiences became more beautiful, the 282 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:08.839 entities became more benevolent, and it completely shifted as I 283 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:13.960 healed myself. And this seems to also correspond to people's 284 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:18.880 paranormal experiences. I find it very interesting that trauma can 285 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:24.400 trigger a lot of early paranormal experiences in people, and 286 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.599 it seems to be heavily connected to where we're at 287 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.200 with our perception, the way we view things, our emotions. 288 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:33.200 Would you agree with that? 289 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:36.359 Totally, completely and utterly. 290 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:37.400 In fact, in. 291 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:41.599 My book The Hidden Universe, the central theme of that, 292 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:46.319 I'm discussing something I call the aggregorial And by the aggregoria, 293 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:50.039 I mean that we are all co creating reality. Literally 294 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.079 by the act of observation, we are collapsing. What's in 295 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.079 technical terms, we are collapsing the wave function. In quantum mechanics, 296 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:00.799 it is known that until some thing is until the 297 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.240 subatomic particle is measured or observed, it is literally a 298 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.279 statistical wave. It is literally that it doesn't even exist 299 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.200 in reality in any shape or form. But when we 300 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.359 observe something or measure it, it literally collapses from being 301 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.720 a statistical wave that a particle will be in one 302 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.640 location or another, it suddenly becomes an actual point particle 303 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.640 with a position in space and time. And science is 304 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.079 completely confused about this as to how this can possibly happen. 305 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:30.400 So there seems to be a one to one relationship 306 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:35.079 between what we're thinking and what we're experiencing now again, 307 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.039 this is one of the big issues of quantum mechanics. 308 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.480 And in fact, in the nineteen thirties there was a 309 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.759 massive schism in quantum mechanics because there were individuals who 310 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.680 were the followers of Niels Bohr and his group in 311 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:53.880 Copenhagen in Denmark, and the Copenhagen interpretation effectively says exactly 312 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.920 that that there is a relationship between the observer and 313 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:01.759 the observed and there's the feed mechanism going on. Now, 314 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:05.160 this has always intrigued me because if this is the case, 315 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:06.799 and I mean, I don't know if you remember, but 316 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.359 there was a very famous statement made by Albert Einstein, 317 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.240 who disliked to this idea of this observer effect, and 318 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.759 he once turned round to Neil Spohr and said something 319 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:20.680 along the lines of I cannot believe that the moon 320 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:23.400 isn't there if I'm not looking at it. And he 321 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.279 effectively came up with a series of thought experiments to 322 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:31.440 disprove the idea of this, and without going into detail, 323 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:35.400 he worked with it with two other associates, Podolskian Rosen, 324 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.240 and they came up with something called the Einstein Pandolski 325 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:43.000 Rosen thought experiment. Now, and won't go into detail about this, 326 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.680 but he was wrong. He was proven wrong, and he 327 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:50.200 was proven wrong mathematically. In nineteen sixty four, I think 328 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:55.400 when an Irish physicist at Cerne called John Bell came 329 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:59.359 up with something called Bell's inequality. Then in nineteen eighty one, 330 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:02.839 a group of scientists at the University of Paris, the 331 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:08.279 Division of Optics, Dallabard and Aline Aspe and these associates, 332 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:14.119 they actually discovered that sub atomic particles, when they are 333 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.079 placed in the same quantum state and then they are 334 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:24.480 split apart, they can communicate instantaneously. So suddenly we have 335 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:29.400 this universe where information can be transferred instantaneously. And the 336 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.279 vast majority of people are not aware of these experiments. 337 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:35.400 They do not know about them. So if people were 338 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:38.640 aware of the level that the stuff we're interested in 339 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:42.400 can be proven scientifically, they would completely change their mind. 340 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:47.240 Now going back to this, so I argue that, as 341 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.440 you rightly say, when we encounter these aliens, when we 342 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:57.240 encounter these entities, when we counter the DMT gnomes, the elves, 343 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.720 the DMT elves you know of Terence McKenna and everything, 344 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.440 what we're actually doing is we're anticipating them we're expecting them, 345 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:08.960 but they're expecting us as well, because we are creating them. 346 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:11.799 But they have independence, if that makes sense. And this 347 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.680 is why I use the term aggregorial. Eggregorial comes from 348 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:20.279 the magic traditions, the idea that you can create a 349 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:24.160 thought form. Now, for instance, people like John d and 350 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:27.559 a lot of the alchemists in the fourteenth, fifteenth, and 351 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.480 sixteenth centuries, we're working on this. The idea that you 352 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:34.640 can create a thought form and you can then manipulate 353 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:39.920 it to have power. Now, this is a very intriguing 354 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.079 concept because at least A Crowley was trying to do 355 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:46.160 this as well as were various other individuals. And again 356 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:49.680 it's the idea of using quantum mechanics, before quantum mechanics 357 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.160 was even understood, so the idea of being able to 358 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:58.160 manipulate reality. Now, the eggrigors is the word I'm using. 359 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.359 Eggregory is a quite precise term because it comes from 360 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:05.000 ancient Greek and it means watchers and the egrigors. The 361 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.839 word egrigor is from Biblical Greek, and it's the idea 362 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:12.039 that there are entities that are watching us, but these 363 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:17.559 egrigors also it's it's considered to be something we can create, 364 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.000 something we can bring about. Now again, have you are 365 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:24.000 you aware of the I think it was nineteen seventy 366 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:28.680 nineteen seventy one, the the Toronto Experiment. 367 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.279 And don't think i've form lt with this. 368 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:35.319 Oh okay, this is quite extraordinary, and I've cited it 369 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:37.359 in a couple of my books. Now it was a 370 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.680 group of psychologists, well they were. They were the family 371 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.680 of a group of psychologists the University of Toronto. And 372 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:46.279 every Sunday night they used to they used to meet up, 373 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:48.880 have a few drinks and then they play weedja board, 374 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.680 so they play Weija, and of course the glass would 375 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.279 move and they get messages. And because they were psychologists, 376 00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:59.079 they thought, now this is extraordinary. Does this mean that 377 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.599 we are subliminally moving the glass? But if we are, 378 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:06.759 we're getting answers, So it must be one of us 379 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.319 is either pushing it or we're all doing it collectively 380 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:12.240 and unaware we're doing it. So what they decided to 381 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.440 do was quite clever. They send one of the members 382 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:19.960 of the group away to create a ghost, and the 383 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.839 lady went away and she wrote a story about a 384 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:28.440 guy called Philip Ailsford. And Alsford lived in the sixteen 385 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:31.240 sixties sixteen seventies in the Midlands in the year here 386 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:35.039 in the UK. She made out that he was a 387 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.720 lord of a manor, and she said he lived in 388 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.680 this specific castle, which is actually a castle in the Midlands, 389 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.000 but he never existed. She made out that he was 390 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.799 a Catholic, so therefore after the English Civil War, Catholics 391 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.039 were a bit of outsiders, particularly the Catholic gentry. And 392 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.200 he was also in a loveless marriage and one day 393 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.240 he meets this gypsy woman, falls in love with her, 394 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.640 his wife finds out, and he commits suicide by jumping 395 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.319 off the battlements of the castle. So she made up 396 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:07.960 this story and then they said, well, let's see if 397 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:14.440 this will come through using WIJA, and it did. Philip 398 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:18.319 manifested and started talking to them and telling them things, 399 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.720 and they thought, this is quite odd. This again, is 400 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.160 this us doing it subliminally because none of us are trying. 401 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:25.359 To do this. 402 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.960 But then it started to give information that they weren't 403 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.680 aware of, and it started to then cause poltergeist activity. 404 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:38.279 It then made the table turned and started moving as 405 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.119 they were playing with it. And indeed, if you go 406 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.079 on to YouTube, they did. They did, They were interviewed 407 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.119 on Toronto TV. It's on a YouTube video. You can 408 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:51.720 watch this, and they did it live and the table 409 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:56.079 was moving in the studio. Now this intrigued me because 410 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.960 it means that we can, by our anticipation bring enterity 411 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.119 He's into existence that are independent of us. And we 412 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:09.319 know this from the creation of Tulpa's and Tulper's are 413 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:13.839 beings that in Tibetan Buddhism they create. And there was 414 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:18.200 a lady called Alexander Neil who was traveling into bet 415 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.599 in the nineteen twenties and her and her associates created 416 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.480 at Tulpa. They created this little that they thought about 417 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.799 it and created this little monk, very friendly, retund and happy, 418 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.559 and he followed them as they were traveling. They could 419 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.480 see it, they could all see it. And then it 420 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:39.680 started getting malevolent and it started to get nasty, and 421 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.119 they realized that they created something they couldn't control, so 422 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.720 they had to literally all collectively think it out of existence. 423 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.640 Now this effect intrigued me amazingly because is this what 424 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:57.880 we are doing when we create, when we meet DMT entities? 425 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.640 Is this is what happening with poltergeist activity? Is this 426 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:05.039 is this what is happening when we have we see 427 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:11.759 ghosts now again the strong evidence for this, you know, 428 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.319 and again there is an associate of mine who is 429 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.680 involved in direct research with dimethyl trip to mean at 430 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.759 Imperial College in London, and there is a perfectly legal 431 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.519 sponsored set of research taking place there at the moment. 432 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.839 And what is happening is individuals are volunteering to take 433 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:33.920 dimethyl trip to mean intravenously, and when they take it interveniously, 434 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.319 they're then they're they're having their brain scanned and when 435 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.079 they come to they're reporting what happens to them. Now, 436 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.039 my friend told me this. He's a university lecturer, very 437 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.440 bright guy, and he was telling me when he did it, 438 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.039 he took the DMT and he find himself inside the 439 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:55.200 DMT zone and he's inside the DMT zone and he said, 440 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.720 this entity, this alien, this insectoid alien, came over to him, 441 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.680 ad him right in the face and prodded his shoulder 442 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.200 and said, you shouldn't be doing it this way. This 443 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.640 is not the way you should do it. Don't do it, 444 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:12.039 and then it backed away into the darkness. So Carl 445 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.960 comes back down. Two weeks later, he takes the DMT again, 446 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:20.079 finds himself into the DMT cage. The same creature came over, 447 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.279 prodded him again and said, I told you last time, 448 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.839 this is not how you should be doing it now. 449 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.759 As Carl said to me, that creature, if that was 450 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.279 just a part of my subconscious manifesting, it was telling 451 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.559 me something I didn't want to hear now again. My 452 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.240 latest book is on neo death experiences, and I'm fascinated 453 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.119 by the role of the Being of Light in near 454 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.799 death experiences because the being of light is the entity 455 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.240 that people encounter when they have a neo death experience 456 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:54.400 that guides them. Now, what is fascinating about this It 457 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:59.000 is very culturally based. The being of light will be 458 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.559 Jesus if you're from a Western Christian tradition, but if 459 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.119 you're from a Hindu tradition, it will be completely different. 460 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.279 It could be Ganish or whatever. Also, and this is 461 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.160 fascinating is young children when they have near death experiences, 462 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:16.039 the being of light is Mickey Mouse or school friends 463 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:21.480 or cartoon characters, living people or fictional people. So whatever 464 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.440 the being of light is, it's what we expect it 465 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.480 to be, what we want to meet, but it is 466 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.400 independent of us because it gives information that the person 467 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.359 couldn't possibly know. And again in my books, I argue, 468 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:36.160 this is an entity I call the Damon, and if 469 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.079 we have time, we can talk about that as well. 470 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.079 So your experiences are extraordinary. So you're quite right, you know, 471 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.480 just like dreams are created from our hopes and our fears, 472 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.839 but we're in a dreamscape that's independent of us, isn't it? 473 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.039 Who is the brick alure? Who is the person that 474 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.720 is creating your dreams? There's a story we have in 475 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.799 a dream. There's a narrative. Now. People when they lucid dream, 476 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.160 when they've become self aware in dream states, they exist 477 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.960 in a reality that is a facsimile of this one. 478 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:10.119 But isn't this one? 479 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:10.440 You know? 480 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.680 This is massive, huge area. 481 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:16.559 Right now, I want to explore something you just mentioned 482 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:20.920 that this group that was researching the thought forms and 483 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:25.359 actually created the Monk thought form that eventually, you said, 484 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.200 turned nasty. And I've heard this many times with people 485 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:34.519 that dabble in things like the Ouiji board, and the 486 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:39.759 energy or entity or intelligence that comes forward may start 487 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:43.720 as something that seems benevolent and helpful, but will eventually 488 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:48.039 turn on them and turn into something very malevolent seeming. 489 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.799 What are your thoughts on what is happening here? And 490 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.599 it seems to be whenever we initiate this contact and 491 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.279 attempt to bring it into our reality. 492 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.720 Yeah, it seems that there seems to be initially the 493 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:08.200 whatever they are need our approval and need our wanting 494 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:13.400 to bring them more in and they use that because 495 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.880 they seem to be some kind of parasitic life form 496 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.680 that seems to There is an associate of mine who 497 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:28.799 died last year, I think it rather sadly called Paulino. 498 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.200 And Paulino is an ex Catholic priest who ran a 499 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.519 ghost hunting group in Rhode Island, and he had a 500 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.839 fascinating podcast he used to do with this sun Ben 501 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:40.839 really really good. 502 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.160 You can need to check it out. It's very good. 503 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.519 And in his work he became convinced that ghosts and 504 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.079 entities are plasma life forms. They seem to feed off plasma. 505 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.400 They seem to feed off energy, but they also seem 506 00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.799 to feed off fear. And what they need to do 507 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.799 is initially they need us to come forward, but once 508 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.680 they get to a certain point, they need to then 509 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.680 scur us. They need us to fear them, and they 510 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.279 feed on that which makes them stronger. Now, this is 511 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:16.319 an extraordinary idea, this idea of parasitic, a parasitic life 512 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.400 form that's using energy, because it does seem it, doesn't it. 513 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.200 You know that, you know when people have you know, 514 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.839 I write extent of written extensively about alien abductions. And 515 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.680 again when you come across alien abductions, the aliens when 516 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.440 they first started seemed to be a benevolent didn't they 517 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.160 the space brothers of the nineteen fifties and also you know, 518 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.599 going back to the eighteen nineties, you know, the guys 519 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.799 with the airships. They were human and they were benevolent. 520 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.119 But what tended to happen if you notice the UFO 521 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:50.480 theme throughout the years, it tracks our culture, it tracks 522 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.759 our expectations, and it tracks our technology. So in the 523 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.200 nineteen fifties you had the Nordics and everything else, and 524 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:02.480 then in the nineteen sixties then had the the the gray, 525 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.519 the gray aliens, you know, and recent research. I think 526 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.680 I remember this as a kid as well, that the 527 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.000 first time I saw what would we termed an alien 528 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.079 gray was in a TV series called The Outer Limits, 529 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.440 when there was something called I think the Bellasamo Shield 530 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.119 or something, which was one of the episodes where there 531 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.319 was an alien gray or something like an alien gray. 532 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.119 Then we had the. 533 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.000 The t remember that you're Tati young to remember, but 534 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.480 there were these bubblegum cards called Mars Attacks, which they 535 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.400 made the TV series out of the aliens then had 536 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.559 exposed brains and things. So then we find that they 537 00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.640 start to look like proper what we expect to be aliens. 538 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.480 It's again as if they have this kind of shield 539 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.640 where they can disguise themselves, where they can shape shift. 540 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.599 But of course they've been shape shifting for millennia. We 541 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:56.839 know them from you know, the the the the two 542 00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:01.079 Da Danon in Ireland. You have the the l you 543 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:04.839 have the little people who are again turned dangerous. You know, 544 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.799 fairies themselves, you know, can be very very dangerous creatures. 545 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.199 So clearly that's what happens. They they become more dangerous 546 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:14.320 as they use. 547 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.360 This is so interesting, the possibility that the entire Ufo 548 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:24.519 phenomena could be a form of these etheric parasites that 549 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.840 have infected us through these thought forms, and they perpetuate 550 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:36.360 themselves because we are giving it strength. They are feeding 551 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.760 off of us, and we are in turn giving it 552 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.280 the energy to evolve into something. Could it be that 553 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:49.480 we are being led to the quote unquote alien invasion, 554 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.199 but it's not how we think it'll be. It'll be 555 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:53.800 more of a mind invasion. 556 00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.239 Well, this is fascinating, as you probably know this summer, well, 557 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.719 in the last weekend in mayl for the fourth year 558 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.960 on the trotality speaking at Contact in the desert in 559 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:10.079 southern California. And this is the biggest event of UFOs 560 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.159 or UFO research in the world. You know, you get 561 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.440 thousands of people turn up and virtually everybody in the 562 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.920 UFO world speaks at at this event. It's massive, and 563 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.400 it's if you can get it's absolutely extraordinary. And last 564 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.920 year while I was there, because I was one of 565 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.360 the talent in raised commas, there were things that I had 566 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.599 to be doing all the time. But they have UFO 567 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.079 watches and they would go outside of the resort or 568 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:36.960 out into the desert to see if they could see 569 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:41.320 UFOs and they came back really excitedly one evening and 570 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.000 a UFO would manifest and it had flown over the 571 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.719 group at super speed and then disappeared, and then twenty 572 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.000 minutes later it came back again. Now this was in 573 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.199 downtown Indian Wells in California. I will guarantee that nobody 574 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.920 else outside of the UFO group saw that saw that machine. 575 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.280 But they did. Now it seems to be that their 576 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:06.000 anticipations were sufficient to draw it in to their worldview. 577 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.679 You know, I was saying that we create our reality, 578 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.960 so therefore we can then co create reality when there's 579 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:12.599 a group of us. 580 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:14.480 We know that when groups. 581 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.440 Of people get together, they can recreate again something called 582 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.400 an eggregre, which is greater than themselves. It's the third 583 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:24.119 Man syndrome. You know, you put two people together, they resonate. 584 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.000 There's something greater than the group. Now, the fascinating thing 585 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.760 was was up before I went to America, and I 586 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.840 did an event in South End here in the UK, 587 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.880 and at the end of my talk a lady came 588 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.599 over to me and she showed me a video. Now 589 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.599 this is extraordinary. She showed me a video she'd taken 590 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:45.079 on her phone and she's looking out of her flat 591 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.800 overlooking the sea, the English Channel off South End, and 592 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.199 she's looking at the Thames Estuary and she's looking out 593 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.480 and you see these objects start flying in the distance 594 00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.679 in sequence, and they're flying in a line and then 595 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.360 moving and one moves to the front and one moved 596 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.840 to the back, and they're flying in a line, and 597 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.679 she's you can hear her talking to what I thought 598 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.000 was talking to herself, and she's going, my god, can 599 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.559 you see that? And then you hear a voice next 600 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:14.639 to her, and it's a woman standing there with her, 601 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:16.920 and the woman standing next to her couldn't see it, 602 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.079 and she's saying, can't you see them? I'm filming them, 603 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:22.559 can't you see them? And she said, no, I can't 604 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.280 see anything. So then she thought it was marks on 605 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.400 the window, so she opened the window and they were 606 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:33.320 still there. And then she then stopped the filming and 607 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:35.239 she said, well, if you didn't see it, it was obviously 608 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.280 in my mind. So they weren't really there. They won't 609 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.519 be on the film, but they were. So what is 610 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.119 happening here is that her intention was so powerful that 611 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.360 she thought she was seeing UFOs, which they were real, 612 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.800 but she seemed to be able to create them on 613 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.960 a video film that somebody else who was a witness 614 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.280 to it did not see. And this is why I believe, 615 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.239 For example, as a sociologist, I've always been fascinated by 616 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.320 the sociology of belief, the sociology of religion, and I 617 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:10.280 genuinely believe people who strongly enough believe in a religion 618 00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.000 and their group believe in that religion, that religion becomes 619 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:19.639 real to them and they see things that reinforces that religion, like, 620 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.519 for example, example, you know in Fatima, when the sun 621 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:28.000 spun in the sky in nineteen seventeen, something happened, people 622 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:33.239 saw it. So it seems to be that we anticipate 623 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.199 and create things, and if we feel negatively about things 624 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.800 and we feel fearful, we create these negative entities that 625 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.599 surround us and use us in one way or another. 626 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.960 Now again, I had a long conversation with Whitley Strieber 627 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.599 when I was at Contact in the Desert. I've known 628 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.880 Whitley for years and he came along to one of 629 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.880 my lectures and was really intrigued by the angle I'm 630 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.079 taking on these things. And Whitley is of the same 631 00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:02.559 opinion that the others, the visits, tos that he meets, 632 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:06.360 they're part of his psychology. They've been with him since childhood. 633 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.719 And I spoke to various contact Ease at that event. 634 00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.320 These genuine people, they are not they are hallucinating in 635 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:18.519 the loosest term of the word, but it's still real, 636 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:20.440 and it's real to them. 637 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:27.119 Do you think there's is, whether it is consciously known 638 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.920 or there is some sort of parasitic influence, that there 639 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:38.760 is an ongoing effort to bring this alien eggregor into reality. 640 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.000 No, I think so, And I think that the more 641 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:50.119 we talk about this, the more it becomes stronger, and 642 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.800 it just tells us that the true nature of reality 643 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.880 is far more mysterious than we can ever imagine, far 644 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:03.239 more interesting. Now, if it is true that at its 645 00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:08.800 basic level, everything that is physically real, because in fact, 646 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.840 there's no such thing as physically real, you know that 647 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:14.360 everything we think is solid. As I mentioned before, we 648 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.440 never touch anything, but there's nothing there anyway reality. You know, 649 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.159 if you look inside the atom, the atom is ninety 650 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.679 The hydrogen atom, as an example, is ninety nine point 651 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.920 nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine 652 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:35.960 nine nine nine six empty space, and the physical objects 653 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.400 that are in there, the quarks and the electrons, are 654 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.280 point particles, which means they have no extension in space. 655 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.559 And everything is made up of these things. There is, 656 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.480 everything is made up of atoms, and yet they are 657 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.840 mostly empty space. So where is the illusion of physical 658 00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.960 reality taking place? And it's because even the atoms them, 659 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.000 I would argue, they are not structures in the way 660 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:07.519 we understand them. They are mathematical structures. They are bits 661 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:12.920 of information, and information is the basis of everything. And 662 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.119 again the latest research is and it's all to do 663 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.599 with black holes. It's quite intriguing. And in my books 664 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:22.719 I discuss this, the idea that black holes in some 665 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.400 way and dark matter and dark energy are creating the 666 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:31.679 information field that we perceive as being physical reality and 667 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.800 the information field. And again, don't think this is this 668 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.880 is this is wacko nonsense. This is actually based upon 669 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:41.960 solid research. For instance, if anybody is interested to get 670 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.760 hold of a book called Our Mathematical Universe by a 671 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.159 guy called Professor Max Tegmark. That is a professor Max 672 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.000 tegment is one of the world's leading cosmologists. He is 673 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.480 very much an agreement with the many world's interpretation of 674 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.840 quantum mechanics, the idea that there are literally trillions of 675 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.039 universes and we just happen to exist in on but 676 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.559 there are versions of us in every other universe, so 677 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.760 it is far more complex. It's like the final sequence. 678 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:16.840 I always use as an example the movie Interstellar, where 679 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.679 they have what's called the Tesseract sequence, where the main 680 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.559 character looks back on the life of his daughter and 681 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.719 he sees all these things. And it's to do with 682 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.239 dimensions of space. It's to do with the idea that 683 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:33.719 there are other dimensions of space time. But I very 684 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:37.000 much use the word dimensions in its literal sense. A 685 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.440 dimension is literally just a measurement of area. So a 686 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.960 one dimension is one point Two dimensions are aligne. Three 687 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.519 dimensions are a square, four dimensions are a cube, this 688 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:54.079 kind of thing. So there are dimensions that we can't 689 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:58.719 perceive that things can exist in. But if everything is information, 690 00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.920 this is going back to the matrix. The movies, you know, 691 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.679 they were very perceptive and what they're talking about there 692 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.719 because they think that the issue is with black holes 693 00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:11.599 is that when you drop, say you had a computer 694 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:15.039 and you threw it into a black hole, technically all 695 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:19.320 the information on that computer hard drive would be destroyed. 696 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.880 It would cease to exist. But energy, but information is energy, 697 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.159 and energy cannot be destroyed. It can only be changed 698 00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.000 into something else. And what they argue is that literally 699 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:33.039 around the edges of all the black holes are smeared 700 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.920 the information containing and explaining everything that's been sucked into. 701 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:38.360 That black hole. 702 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:43.039 Wow, and it's on the edge of the event horizon. Now, 703 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.039 this is again science. Now they also did it. Now 704 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.119 I don't know how they did this. This is extraordinary. 705 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.000 If you can bear with me for a second on this. 706 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:56.280 They decided they wanted to know how much bits of 707 00:43:56.360 --> 00:44:01.599 information would be needed to describe the universe as we 708 00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.800 know it is. And they calculated some huge figure of 709 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.159 the amount of individual bits needed to describe the universe. 710 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:11.800 They then looked at the universe, and you know, the 711 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.719 universe has been expanding for thirteen point seven billion years, 712 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.280 and it's been expanding outwards into what we don't know, 713 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.760 But it's been expanding because space expands within space. Now, 714 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.320 if it's like a huge sphere, we're on the inside 715 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.599 of a huge sphere that's expanding outwards, and it's expanding 716 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:33.719 outwards continually. Now, they then calculated, are the inside surface 717 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:40.400 of this huge sphere how many plank squares are that 718 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:43.760 the plank square, the plank length is the smallest bit 719 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:48.320 of space you can have. It's ridiculously smallt The smallest 720 00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:50.320 bit you can have, and if you make it into 721 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:54.320 a square that's called the Plank square. They then calculated 722 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.760 how many Plank squares that would be on the edge 723 00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:01.360 of the universe. It was exactly the saying number as 724 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.199 the amount of bits needed to describe the universe itself. 725 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.760 And they thought, this is just an extraordinary coincidence. And 726 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.960 if they argue that each one of these Plank squares 727 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.840 held one bit of data was and was sending it 728 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.159 inwards into a hologram, that could explain the holographic nature 729 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.840 of reality, the way in which nature is holographic. And 730 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:27.559 we see it as a three dimensional space, but there 731 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.079 is no space because you know, for argument's sake, you know, 732 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:34.119 philosophers have argued this that if there were no objects 733 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.840 in space, would space exist. But we now know that 734 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.639 space is full of something called zero point energy, and 735 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:47.320 zero point energy is energy that's manifested at zero points, 736 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.360 absolute zero, you know, And the idea is there's still 737 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.760 energy coming up there, and they believe there's this energy 738 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.800 field within the zero point field is the basically the 739 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:03.960 hard drive that creates the virtual reality universe that we 740 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.119 exist within. And that information is drawn up and your 741 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:12.920 brain processes that information like a computer processor does, and 742 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.920 then it creates just like computer processor in a VR game, 743 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.159 it creates a three illusionary, three dimensional reality that we 744 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.199 think we are moving around in. And I say to people, 745 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.320 just imagine if you were able to go into a 746 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.960 virtual reality game of your life and you're wearing a 747 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.719 haptic suit, that actually every movement that you made in 748 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:39.760 this reality was reproduced within the virtual reality. When you 749 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.320 went into that virtual reality game, it was a game 750 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.599 of your life with all the people you knew, and 751 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:48.000 then your memory's wiped clean. 752 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:49.960 How would you know? 753 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.519 How would you know that this isn't a virtual reality 754 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.079 game of your life? And that's my concept I call 755 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.599 cheating the Ferryman, which we don't have time to but 756 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.800 I've written numerous books on this subject. This is what 757 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.000 I believe is happening. So when we're creating, these entities 758 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.519 are coming in from outside, just like do you remember 759 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:13.440 in Vanilla Sky, the character David Ames, He's living his 760 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:19.079 life again in this virtual reality scenario. And what happens 761 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.000 is one of the people from outside of the outside 762 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.239 of the game is tent to talk to him, and 763 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.079 he's talking in a bar and only if you remember, 764 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.639 he's talking in a bar and there's this entity talking 765 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.119 to him in person, looks like a person, but it's 766 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.440 an entity, and it's explaining to him that this is 767 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.719 not real. This is not real. You're in the final 768 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.960 seconds of your life. This is not real. And he 769 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.039 turns around, he said, oh, shut the f up, and 770 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.079 everybody in the area shuts up and freezes, And I 771 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:47.559 believe this is what is really happening. 772 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.199 This is so fascinating. This will probably take up the 773 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.800 rest of the show, but it brings me to what 774 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.840 I wanted to explore about the fascinating near death experiences 775 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.199 I've heard about. I've interviewed dozens of people who've had 776 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:08.800 near death experiences as well as other very profound experiences 777 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:13.039 that include changes in reality. And I'll give you an example. 778 00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:17.800 This young lady I had on claimed that she had 779 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.599 this profound near death experience, but it was different than 780 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:24.679 anything I've ever heard. She was in heavy traffic on 781 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:29.159 an interstate and she saw a car ahead of her 782 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:33.280 flip and the whole thing was in slow motion. She said. 783 00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:36.480 The car smashed down on her. She knew she broke 784 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.320 her neck, she knew she died. Next thing. She knows. 785 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.880 She's in this different realm with these light beings giving 786 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.039 her a life review, and then they tell her it's 787 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.239 not your time. You have to go back. But instead 788 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.239 of going back and being in a hospital in a 789 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.679 coma and having all these injuries, she was right where 790 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:57.079 she was before, except there was no traffic on this interstate. 791 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.360 There was slight changes in her reality, and she's claims 792 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.199 that everything in her life was so much better after 793 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.960 this experience, not only because it changed her perspective, but 794 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.159 there were small differences in people in her life, in events. 795 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.440 And this is absolutely fascinating to me. 796 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.719 This is absolutely cheating. The Ferryman. One of the things 797 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.960 that I find extraordinary. I wrote my first book in 798 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.280 two thousand and six, and since then I've been contacted 799 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.400 by literally thousands and thousands of people worldwide, all of 800 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.800 whom have had experiences similar to that which I can explain. 801 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.400 And I'm the only writer on the planet that can 802 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.719 explain these things. You read books on near death experiences 803 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.280 and all you get is it happened to me, and 804 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:48.239 you get these wonderfully interesting stories, but they're just anecdotes, 805 00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:53.360 just anecdote after anecdote after anecdote. Nobody actually attempts to 806 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:57.920 try and understand what is happening neurologically, neurochemically, but also 807 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:01.039 what is happening to the person. How is it when 808 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:03.480 somebody has a near death experience, they meet people who 809 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.760 have already died, but sometimes they meet people who are 810 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.760 still alive. What is going on here? What is the 811 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:13.719 panoramic life review? Why do many people have the Panoramic 812 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.559 life review? I explain exactly why people have the Panoramic 813 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.400 life review. I also explain why it fast forwards. I 814 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:26.800 also can explain exactly what happened to her in her 815 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:30.719 near death experience because she went back and she's come 816 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.920 back into She's gone back to the point of the 817 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.639 game where she was about to die, and the game 818 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.880 changed at that point because the universe was slightly different, 819 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.360 and from then on, all the universe, the universe, the 820 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.800 life that she was going to follow would be different 821 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.679 because of her near death experience changed the way she 822 00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.440 would have been in the future, if that makes sense. 823 00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.000 In other words, she would have followed as life route, 824 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.480 but she had the near death experience which changed her. 825 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.360 And a friend of mine, doctor Penny Sotoria, has written 826 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:10.480 a book on how near death experiences change his people completely, 827 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:12.559 and it means that your life goes off on a 828 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.440 different path. The other version of you still exists, and 829 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.559 the other version of you is still following the other path. 830 00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.719 But of course that other version of you probably died. 831 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.480 So of course if she died in that incident, there 832 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.400 wouldn't be the other version of her. So it's rather 833 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:30.400 like there's a very famous Argentinian writer, or used to be, 834 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:33.800 he's now dead, called Jorge Borges, and he wrote a 835 00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.679 wonderful short story called The Garden of the Forking Paths. 836 00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:42.519 And this is exactly this idea that we have. Every 837 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:46.639 decision we make collapses the wave function of a particular reality, 838 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.400 or if you put it another way, creates another game. 839 00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:54.119 If you're playing a third person VR game, it creates 840 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.880 every decision that your on scheme sprite makes create renders 841 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:03.320 a totally different game pattern. You know. Now, I argue 842 00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:07.360 that we all have a game player. There is a 843 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.400 game player that's outside of the game, that is our 844 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.000 real self, and I call that the daemon, and the 845 00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:17.119 daemon has lived your life many times. The daemon has 846 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:21.519 experienced your life many times, and it uses that knowledge 847 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.360 to guide you through this life. You know, I'll guarantee 848 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.000 there are people out there. You get an inkling of 849 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:31.199 something's not right, You meet somebody and it's instantaneous. My god, 850 00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.719 this person is important to me. How is that? How 851 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:38.199 do we have dejar vu sensations when we recognize places 852 00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:40.599 that we've been to that we've never been to before. 853 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.079 I argue this is because the daemon the demonic memory, 854 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.840 which is normally normally processing in the non dominant hemisphere 855 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.920 of the brain. I even do the neurology of this. 856 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.039 It us this to do with split brain operations. 857 00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:57.000 We know that if you've. 858 00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.760 Cut the corpus colossom of person, you end up with 859 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:05.000 two people. That's been known since the nineteen fifties. So 860 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.920 clearly is two areas of consciousness. And there seems to 861 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.760 be this area of us that is precognitive, that senses 862 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.119 the future and knows what's going to happen and warns us. 863 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.719 And it depends on how open our doors of perception 864 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:25.480 are as to whether the damon can communicate effectively or not. 865 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.599 And I argue that people who are neurotypical, their doors 866 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:36.039 of perception are quite closed. But people who have classic migraine, 867 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.760 people have temporal lobe epilepsy, people who have Alzheimer's, people 868 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:46.360 who have schizophrenia. People, the doors are open, you know, 869 00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.719 the way we're talking about the brain cutting us out. 870 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.280 There are certain individuals that that is not effective. And 871 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.599 again in one of my books I described this in 872 00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:58.119 great detail how this works. In fact, you know, if 873 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.039 anybody's listening to me here, they're saying, oh, this I 874 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:03.920 must be talking complete nonsense. It's complete kike. It's all 875 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.519 supported by science. There is nothing I have said today 876 00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.360 so far that in my books I give you the 877 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.559 references to the academic papers so that you can come 878 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.840 to your own conclusions. So the evidence seems to be 879 00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.519 very strongly that there is another element of us, and 880 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:23.000 that's the game player. So the daemon plays your game 881 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:23.840 many many times. 882 00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:25.000 Now. 883 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.519 Again, this is not new. This is something called the 884 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:32.199 eternal return or the eternal recurrence. It's something that's been 885 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:38.519 known for millennia. Some religions believe in it. Writers and philosophers. Nietzsche, 886 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.320 for instance, discussed it. A guy called Peter Uspensky, who 887 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.559 was a Russian philosopher, wrote an amazing book called The 888 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.679 Life of Ivan Asokin, where he describes, somebody's given the 889 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:52.039 chance to go back to live their life again. Now, 890 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:58.119 the most pertinent movie of this is Groundhog Day, and 891 00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.079 indeed the russianad of my first book, the Russian language 892 00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:04.480 edition of my first book was actually called Groundhog Life. 893 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.239 So the idea is that you know that, like Connor's 894 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:12.320 lives the same day over and over again, we live 895 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.920 the same life over and over again, but each day 896 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:17.559 for Connor's is different. So people turn around to me 897 00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:19.000 say I don't want to go back and live my 898 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.880 life again, many many times, and I say you don't. 899 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:27.519 Not only do you do that. The program has not 900 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.519 only the outcome of all the decisions you can make, 901 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.480 but the outcome of all the decisions your parents. 902 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:33.920 Could have made. 903 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:36.880 Because my parents were going to emigrate to Australia, I 904 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.159 could have been born in Australia. There will be a 905 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:42.400 version of me that would have been born in Australia 906 00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.519 because that was their intentions. And it goes right back 907 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.239 through time, right. So there are so many routes. 908 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.239 Like you said, just based on our shifts in perception, 909 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.039 the way we view things. I've had very profound psychedelic 910 00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.519 experiences where I've come back from that experience, and it 911 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:04.920 would seem like there have been small changes in my reality. 912 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.360 Things may seem a little better. A person's perspective that 913 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:13.119 you interact with maybe better. There may be slight changes 914 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:15.719 and things you don't quite remember it being that way. 915 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.159 But what you're saying is we could experience this on 916 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.599 a daily basis, just depending on the decisions we make 917 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:23.920 in our perception of things. 918 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.400 Absolutely every decision we make ripples through. You know, effectively, 919 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.840 what will be a small decision now can be huge. 920 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:34.960 I mean, of course, you know the classic movie against 921 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.239 I'm a movie buff, and the classic movie of this 922 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.719 is Butterfly Effect. You know, if you watch Butterfly Effect. Now, 923 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:44.519 what's fascinating again. I've argued that a lot of all 924 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:48.440 the things I'm talking about here, everybody knows subliminally everybody. 925 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.159 When people read my books, they'll go, oh my god, 926 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.320 I've always known this, but you've put it into words. 927 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.039 I argue that it's in the Veldtzgeist and in the zeitgeist. 928 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.239 It's something that's subliminally we're all aware of, and you 929 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:04.519 only need it to be pointed out to you. And 930 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.159 this is why writers have been writing about this for 931 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.599 such a long time, and there are so many movies 932 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:13.679 now that deal with exactly the themes I've been writing 933 00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:17.599 about for twenty years, you know, like Butterfly Effect and 934 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.239 again interesting in Butterfly Effect, the character that keeps living 935 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:26.639 his life again and changing it. He has an undescribed illness. 936 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:30.559 His father had this illness and he has it. The 937 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:35.119 illness is templeob epilepsy. So even to the point of 938 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:40.199 that filmmaker being aware of my hypothesis, because I've been 939 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:44.159 contacted by people who experience TLA, hundreds and hundreds of 940 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.880 them from around the world. These guys experience what we're 941 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:51.079 talking about all the time. It's their everyday reality. When 942 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.519 I did contact in the desert, there was an associate 943 00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.920 of mine called Myron Dial and Myron is a very 944 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:01.239 talented Californian artist. His art work is just freaky. It's 945 00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:05.920 really incredible. And Myron has been two people since he 946 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.400 was six years of age. And when I received an 947 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:14.119 email from Myron sixteen seventeen, eighteen years ago, the email 948 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:17.679 was from his daemon. The email was fro somebody called Karen, 949 00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:21.920 and Karen is his damon. And Karen said, I am 950 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:26.280 messaging you now I'm a damon and your book is extraordinary. 951 00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:30.400 It's explained all what I'm about. And Myron will contact 952 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.519 you in the next few days. And then Myron contacted 953 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.880 me and we met and we spoke. I've interviewed him 954 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.039 a few times and we met for the first time. 955 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:40.920 And when I did contact in the desert, I discussed 956 00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:45.960 about the Damon and Myron was in the audience. And 957 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.400 Myron's experiences, he goes to a place called Zelcon. He 958 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.840 has out of body experiences. He goes to this place. 959 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:57.760 He consistently goes to the same place. He knows the 960 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:02.960 entities there. He has been. His experiences are like alien abductions, 961 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:07.119 but he doesn't interpret them as alien abductions, but they are. 962 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:11.199 They're the same trope. The same things happen because it's 963 00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:16.760 the same phenomenon. It is exactly the same outer body experiences, 964 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.119 near death experiences. They are all aspects of the same phenomenon. 965 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:27.920 So Myron talks to me that he is precognitive. I 966 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.400 know one guy who has and we haven't touched upon 967 00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:33.280 the pineal gland, which I think is crucial to this. 968 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:37.000 I think indogeness that is internally generated dimethyl trip to meine, 969 00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:43.400 which is synthesized from melotonin into DMT within the pineal gland. Again, 970 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.440 I do the neurochemistry of this as to how this 971 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:50.440 can be, how melotonin can be converted into DMT. There's 972 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:57.920 only i think two two atoms within the melotonin molecule 973 00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.639 and the DNT molecule that are different. It's two hydrogen atoms, 974 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.360 and I'm not sure whether the two hydrogen atoms are 975 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.519 taken away up or added two, but it is clear 976 01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:11.840 that dmt. They found DMT in the human brain. You 977 01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:13.960 probably were of this, you know the demo borgi Egen 978 01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:17.679 work from twenty seventeen. They found it in live rats, 979 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.719 you know. So not only that, but borgi Egen and 980 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.199 her team have also actually proven the neo death experience 981 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:24.320 in live rats. 982 01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:25.000 Wow. 983 01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:31.440 They euthanized rats and then around about ten to eleven 984 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.880 seconds afterwards, the brain suddenly switched on again and there 985 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:39.679 was massive brain activity. Now again, in my new book, 986 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:44.960 I cite something that should have been world news way 987 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:49.239 back in twenty twenty three. I think it was in Germany. 988 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.480 A guy, an elderly guy in his eighties, fell off 989 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.480 a ladder and he injured himself and he went to casualty, 990 01:00:57.599 --> 01:00:59.679 and while he was in casualty, he had a couple 991 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:03.400 of fits and they realized he damaged his brain, so 992 01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:06.719 they put him in an fMRI scanner or a super scanner, 993 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.519 scanning his brain. And while it happened, he died. For 994 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.719 the first time they have a scan of somebody's brain 995 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:19.239 while they died. Guess what happened. He flatlined for about 996 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:23.119 six seven seconds and then suddenly massive activity in his brain. 997 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:27.519 His brain started activating. All areas of his brain were 998 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:34.239 communicating together. Near death experience that should have been world news. 999 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:38.320 Why it wasn't is because people don't get it. They 1000 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.800 don't see what these things mean. And again I'm sounding 1001 01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.320 vain here, but I'm the only writer that's writing about 1002 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.639 this stuff and saying, for God's sake, listen to me. Listen, 1003 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:51.599 you know, please, please, you know. More and more academics 1004 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.719 are now coming to my work, by the way, it's 1005 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:54.800 slowly breaking through. 1006 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:55.079 Now. 1007 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.679 I've now written two academic papers and I have been 1008 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.400 offered places to do PhDs on the back of my research. 1009 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:04.559 But at my age, I couldn't be bothered. Got more 1010 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:08.280 important things to do in my life. But suffice to say, 1011 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:12.000 this is going to be huge news, and when my 1012 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.960 work gets out there properly, it's going to go crazy. 1013 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:19.840 It maybe after I'm dead, you know, because you know, 1014 01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:23.280 I'm nearly seventy one now, I'm an old man. It's 1015 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.760 not likely that it's going to happen in my life. 1016 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.239 But at some time in the future, somebody's going to 1017 01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.559 pick up my books and go, wow, this really is 1018 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:33.480 quite extraordinary stuff. Well, I hope. 1019 01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:33.599 So. 1020 01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.079 Anyway, I very much resonate with your work, as I'm 1021 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:41.360 sure much of my audience does. This was fantastic information. 1022 01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:44.320 We'll definitely have to have you back on. There is 1023 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:48.320 so much that we can explore Before we close out today. 1024 01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:51.039 I'll have the link to your website right in the description. 1025 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:54.079 Is that the best way for everyone to find all 1026 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:55.840 of your books? 1027 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:56.920 Well? 1028 01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.840 Yeah, well, you know, you can buy my books in bookshops. 1029 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:01.800 You can just go to your bookshop and you can 1030 01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:05.039 order it, and your bookshop anywhere anywhere. You can also 1031 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.239 go to your local library. You don't have to buy 1032 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.639 the book, go to the local library and get it ordered. 1033 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.480 Some libraries actually have the books on the shelves. If 1034 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:17.360 you are interested in my other books, my books are 1035 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:22.400 in Kindle. I also read my own books for Audible, 1036 01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:26.800 so they're all on Audible. They are also in Braille 1037 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:29.239 a number of them as well. Plus they are in 1038 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.760 various foreign language editions as well, so you can read 1039 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.840 them in your own local language as well. We're in 1040 01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:40.440 negotiations at the moment with a Chinese edition or Cantonese anyway. Also, 1041 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:44.679 I'm very active on Facebook. I'm at my five thousand 1042 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:46.800 limit of Facebook friends, but you can still follow me. 1043 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.639 I've got about fourteen or fifteen thousand followers on there. 1044 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.760 I also have my own YouTube channel, which is becoming 1045 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.440 more and more popular, so just look up Anthony Peak 1046 01:03:56.440 --> 01:04:01.239 on YouTube. I'm also on Instagram regularly on Instagram as well, 1047 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:05.559 and of course my website if you want to. If 1048 01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:08.519 you're interested in seeing me speak live in the States, 1049 01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:12.559 I'll be speaking in southern California the last weekend in May. 1050 01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.440 I'll be there for five days. I'll be doing a 1051 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:20.599 talk and intensive various panels and interfacing with most of 1052 01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:23.239 the major people who are involved in the UFO world. 1053 01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.119 So yeah, just check it out, you know. And I try. 1054 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.840 I endeavor to try and respond to emails if I can, 1055 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.679 but I don't have admin support, and I get between 1056 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.880 sixty to seventy emails a day. I can't humanly reply 1057 01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:39.039 to them all, but I will try, and if the 1058 01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.719 ones are really interesting, I will try to get. 1059 01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.119 Back to excellent Anthony. Thank you so much fantastic informa. Today, 1060 01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:47.840 I want to welcome ol Borealis. He is host of 1061 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:53.199 Forum Borealis, where he features conversational, in depth interviews with 1062 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:59.239 the most interesting authors, scholars, researchers, and free thinkers of today, 1063 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:06.320 exploring obscure, anomalous, and system critical topics within history, culture, philosophy, 1064 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.960 science and politics. Al welcome, How you. 1065 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.119 Doing, Howdy, how are you doing. 1066 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.320 I'm excellent. It's great to have you on. I've really 1067 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.679 enjoyed the information and research you've been presenting on your 1068 01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:24.599 YouTube channel and your podcast. I highly recommend everyone going 1069 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.599 check those out. I'll have those links right in the description. Today. 1070 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:31.639 I wanted to share your research and the possibility that 1071 01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:35.639 much of what we know about the UFO phenomena maybe 1072 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:40.519 a psychological operation that plays on the powers of collective 1073 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:47.360 perception and manifestation, also by using hidden, advanced breakaway factions 1074 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:53.280 with extremely exotic technologies, and this opens up many possibilities 1075 01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.639 we can explore, and you've done some great research. But 1076 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.400 before we get too deep into this, this is your 1077 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.079 first time on. Let the audience know just a little 1078 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.440 bit about yourself and where they can find you. 1079 01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:10.760 So I started out probably around the same time you 1080 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:16.280 did in fifteen, and already then I thought it was 1081 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:24.559 too late, and so I started actually at YouTube. I 1082 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.719 did opposite many starts in podcasts and they transition over 1083 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.039 to YouTube, but for me it was the other way around. 1084 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.360 But I've abandoned YouTube like. 1085 01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:37.599 Three years ago. 1086 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.159 Something I haven't released, and which is it's kind of 1087 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.559 self suboutaging because I had more listeners there. I think 1088 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:48.519 I have fifty thou most of those I gained before 1089 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.599 they censored YouTube. But then I got straight into the 1090 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:55.440 Naughty East and they strangled. So what was the point 1091 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.199 they were taking down my shows? I risked if I 1092 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.719 released new shows, are risked losing the whole channel. Right, 1093 01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:05.880 at least those who are there now are vetted. Some 1094 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:10.559 are are thrown off, but then we aren't too hard. 1095 01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:15.800 They have this crazy tyrannical fascist retrospective guilt, which is 1096 01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:20.400 unheard of in modern society and justice and everything. But 1097 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:27.039 so yeah, why have the channel when they're not giving 1098 01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:32.039 me new listeners and they're strangling and disappearing shows. So 1099 01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:37.199 I started facing over to podcasts, like when was that? 1100 01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:37.760 Not that? 1101 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:44.159 Maybe five years ago or something six years I don't remember. 1102 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:47.679 I was shocked. You have to pay in YouTube. I'm 1103 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:48.400 getting paid. 1104 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:53.639 I was spoiled, right, And now I have about the 1105 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:56.880 same amount of followers, but it's completely different. 1106 01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:57.920 People un noticed. 1107 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:02.000 Those who follow video platforms are not the same who 1108 01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:08.559 follow audio platforms. And the hardcore, hardcore, hardcore supporters, those 1109 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:11.320 who really are into my show, they become members of 1110 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:15.760 my channel, which is Forumn Borealis dot net. And the 1111 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:17.760 one more thing I could say about my show is 1112 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:23.720 that when I started off, I must admit. Look, I've 1113 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:26.960 been saying very often that I've been predicting stuff that 1114 01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:28.439 has come to pass. 1115 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:28.800 I have. 1116 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.079 I have been very early on. Nobody else is mentioning it, 1117 01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.720 so I think I should do it myself. I've been 1118 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:38.600 ahead of the curve in so many things. But one 1119 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.600 thing that really took me by surprise that I've been 1120 01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:45.319 saying the opposite of what happened. I said, we will 1121 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:49.159 never see disclosure in our time. Forget about it Isn't 1122 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:52.840 you know it has to be like an invasion from 1123 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.279 space to like maybe even not even a revolution would 1124 01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.439 do it. An invasion from space maybe. 1125 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:02.600 And here we are. 1126 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:07.760 So called conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory is proven. 1127 01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:08.119 Right. 1128 01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:12.319 I'm mentioning this because when I started out, I had 1129 01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.720 this agenda of having one foot in the mainstream and 1130 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.880 one foot in the rabbit or like trying to bridge 1131 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:19.479 that gap. 1132 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:21.439 And now I'll. 1133 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:27.920 Become conservative because the mainstream narrative has gone off the cliff, right, So. 1134 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:30.600 What's that mainstream show? 1135 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.520 At least I can say I was early on with 1136 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.399 the stuff that is now acknowledged when people were laughing 1137 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.840 of it, like, for example, only a couple of months 1138 01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:45.479 after everybody knew what COVID was, I was out there saying, having, 1139 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.520 of course, I'm not a I'm a pontificator, but the 1140 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.960 show format is like this, I'm interviewing people. So I 1141 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.079 had an expert on and he established this is this 1142 01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:59.319 was my gut feeling. That was why I got him on. 1143 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:04.079 This is artificial, this is made in a lab. It 1144 01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:10.720 is a bio weapon experiment gone astray. Probably, So that 1145 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.199 was even before that debate started when people were still 1146 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:18.399 because I was you know, COVID came to Europe from 1147 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:23.880 China to Milan in Italy, and they say it came. 1148 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.520 I forgot the date, they say, but three months before 1149 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:31.039 the official time they said it came. I landed in 1150 01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:36.359 Milan and I was greeted by people in nucleus you know, 1151 01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:41.720 atomic moon suits, you know, and they were scanning my 1152 01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:45.840 forehead with laser. This was three months before they admit, 1153 01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.279 so they knew it already. Then they knew it already. 1154 01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:50.760 Then I came home. 1155 01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:51.840 What was going on? 1156 01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:54.560 We had stuff in Milan, and then the news hit 1157 01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.359 and anyway, I'm talking myself away from the point. 1158 01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:01.720 No, it's all good. Great injury dug. Your story similar 1159 01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:03.680 to mine in a sense that I did start on 1160 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:07.399 YouTube as well, had a very large channel, approaching fifty 1161 01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:11.840 thousand subscribers, and then it gets nuked around twenty twenty, 1162 01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:14.720 it gets gone. I started a new one and then 1163 01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:16.920 got two strikes on that one once I hit a 1164 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.600 couple of thousand subs, and so I just gave it 1165 01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:22.680 up completely. Like you, I believe we need to start 1166 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:26.840 bringing people to the platforms where we can thrive, like 1167 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:30.279 the podcast, like other video platforms like Rumble and things 1168 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:33.039 like that. So I am glad to see that you 1169 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:36.039 are growing on the podcast, and when it comes to 1170 01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:40.039 being ahead of the curve, this topic triggers a lot 1171 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:44.199 of people, like you said, who are really stuck in 1172 01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:48.439 the traditional theory of nuts and bolts. Little green men 1173 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:52.600 coming from different planets and UFOs was one of the 1174 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:56.079 first topics that really drew me in and got me 1175 01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:01.079 started with the podcast in general. And I was very 1176 01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:03.920 open minded from the beginning, but I did lean towards 1177 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.800 the possibility that we were being visited from little green 1178 01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:11.079 men from other planets, or humanoids or non human intelligences, 1179 01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:15.159 but physical beings coming here. And the more evidence that 1180 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:18.159 comes out, the more brilliant people like yourself that I 1181 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:23.239 speak with, the more it becomes evident that not only 1182 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.720 is it not what we've been shown and not what 1183 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.640 we understand to be through our media and all the 1184 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.439 previous things we've heard about UFOs, but there's multi layers 1185 01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:37.680 to this. The more I learn, the more I understand 1186 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:43.760 how much the individual's perception affects the nature of these experiences. 1187 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:49.960 There is operations we can discuss, there's the technology aspect, 1188 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:55.399 there's people's personal experiences, but they all have profound connections. 1189 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:59.800 They all have profound overlaps. And the deeper we get 1190 01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:03.640 into this, the more layers that there is to uncover. 1191 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:06.479 And it seems like the more I understand, the less 1192 01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:10.800 I know. It gets to be pretty convoluted at times. 1193 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:15.079 And to make it even worse, this community has been 1194 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:19.199 infiltrated with bad information that steers people in the wrong direction. 1195 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:26.479 That's it. So when discussing this modern operation that I 1196 01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:31.399 believe is occurring, where would you start in our recent 1197 01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.079 modern history when trying to understand this. 1198 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:42.239 I would start by categorizing it. Of course, there's a 1199 01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:47.960 billion things because it's unidentified, right, But for the sake 1200 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.479 of our discussion the interesting stuff, I would say of 1201 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:57.560 five things we could start on the physical level. Since 1202 01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:58.359 the Second. 1203 01:13:58.079 --> 01:13:58.840 World War. 1204 01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:04.520 Times in the late forties, early fifties, they've had the 1205 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:09.039 capability to go at least to the Moon, probably beyond 1206 01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:13.760 already then I'm pretty sure we've set foot on. 1207 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.640 Mars and on Luna. 1208 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:19.560 Of course we probably have basis there today. You know 1209 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:23.520 how it always works, It's like they are noun something. 1210 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:27.239 That's when it's so downgraded that the clubs can have 1211 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:30.159 access to it. That means, you know, they're always light 1212 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:33.680 years ahead. Like the Internet wasn't invented when we. 1213 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:34.479 Got access to it. 1214 01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:37.920 They're played around with it for decades. This is how 1215 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:44.439 it works. And so it's downgraded, it's declassified. And the 1216 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:49.680 reason isn't let's throw bones to the monkeys so that 1217 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:52.640 we can lift them a little up. No, No, it's profit. 1218 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:53.479 Now. 1219 01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:56.439 We can make money of this crap because we have 1220 01:14:56.560 --> 01:15:01.760 the stellar version, right, so let's take our trash and 1221 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:06.000 make money of it. Thank God for that incentive. Otherwise 1222 01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:09.479 we would still be running around in caves hitting each 1223 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:13.880 other at the head with bones sticks. So anyway, that's 1224 01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:17.520 number one. And you know that's the classified Space program, 1225 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:21.319 which is the real See, it's very interesting times we 1226 01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:26.319 live in because this is the thing that cannot come out. 1227 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:29.079 You know, if you take the layers of the deep state, 1228 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:34.359 exposing democrats and vocal agenda, that's an easy everybody can 1229 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:38.119 afford that, even the oligos, right, that's just fighting about 1230 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:44.399 who's gonna represent the deep state. So other reforms going on, now, yes, 1231 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:49.239 will they be permanent so that things are permanently better? Maybe, 1232 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:53.640 I don't know, we'll see for example, the anti censorship 1233 01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:57.960 thing like YouTube is on borrowed time because if they 1234 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:03.199 implement what they said going to make stuff like YouTube, 1235 01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:05.880 they're going to say, yeah, you can censor, but you're 1236 01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:09.039 losing all protections, meaning anyone can sue you. Because now 1237 01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:12.000 you're going from being a bookshop selling books to becoming 1238 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:15.319 a publisher. You can sue a publisher or something in 1239 01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:19.920 a book. You cannot sue the bookshop. It should really 1240 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:23.680 be the author you sue, right, which you also I suppose, 1241 01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:25.520 I don't know if you can that, but you can 1242 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.279 at least the publisher. So the video platforms have had 1243 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:33.439 it both ways. They've been editorializing while no, no, no, 1244 01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:39.239 we just a bookshop YouTube last man standing, worst censorship 1245 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:43.600 of them all of them, all worse on Twitter, everything, 1246 01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:46.119 and the reason being. 1247 01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:47.760 They are a cutoff of CIA. 1248 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.439 They are a direct This is the deep state is 1249 01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:54.600 basically running YouTube. At the end of the day, these CEOs, etc. 1250 01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:58.279 They are answering to people. So we'll see what happens. 1251 01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:03.159 Their YouTube can survive if they contain, if they continue 1252 01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:04.000 with the censorship. 1253 01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:05.399 So I have high hopes. 1254 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:08.800 So we will see some good things. But at the end, 1255 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.199 when you peel the onion. At the center of the 1256 01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:17.359 really deepest, darkest taboo is the classified space program. Now 1257 01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:23.079 is that spilling over to stuff like time travel or 1258 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:28.279 to the deglock, the Nazi Belle, etcetera. I cannot opiniate 1259 01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:30.760 as certain about those things. All I can say for 1260 01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:35.600 certain is since the fifties we've had the mastered anti gravity. 1261 01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:44.800 The second physical component is space or time crafts that 1262 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:52.079 are not run by a current representative power faction of Earth. 1263 01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.720 I say that instead of a state or a nation, 1264 01:17:54.880 --> 01:18:03.680 because there are private networks, private corporations, private ventures that 1265 01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:07.319 are also I mean most of the stuff was phased 1266 01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:10.399 out from NASA to the private corporations because they can't 1267 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:14.960 be foyered. It's not as serious if they do monkey 1268 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:19.119 business as if official actors do it in the state. 1269 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:22.520 Just look at now, some a loose cannon like Trump 1270 01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:25.960 comes in right now. They're certainly accountable. That's what they've 1271 01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.960 always been faring. That's why, even though they haven't been 1272 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:33.520 accountable for fifty years, they've always made sure to cover 1273 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:40.319 their tracks and they're back in case. So, but there 1274 01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:45.800 is another player or more would just say non terrestrial 1275 01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:51.960 doesn't mean it's you know, listen, people most probable human beings, 1276 01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:56.119 most probable. Many people talk about the Nazis, etc. I 1277 01:18:56.119 --> 01:19:01.119 don't know if they had enough time. But this isn't 1278 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:04.920 the first time we've colonized the moon or mass for 1279 01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:08.399 that matter, So there may be still players out there. 1280 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:10.319 Who is. 1281 01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:16.359 I'm not saying that their home base, but there are 1282 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:19.760 someone else roaming around. 1283 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:21.800 So that's two of the bits. 1284 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.159 We can talk about any of them if you were like. 1285 01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:28.119 But the more exotic stuff is number three. There are 1286 01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:34.119 life forms. There are life forms in space. Now these 1287 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:40.640 life forms completely physical, meaning, for example, they may be 1288 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:46.720 plasma based, which is really the transition phase between the 1289 01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:52.800 frequencies we define as physicality and what we could call metaphysical. 1290 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:53.520 See. 1291 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:58.119 A big problem in our dualistic world, in our polarity world, 1292 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:02.520 is that people think of there's the physical and there's 1293 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:06.239 the spiritual or the non physical, and never shall those 1294 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:11.279 two meet. And then you some people they don't believe 1295 01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:15.319 in the spiritual, They only believe in the physical. 1296 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.720 Granted, there's not many left because you have to go 1297 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:19.640 out of your way to. 1298 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:25.199 Be stupid if you deny the metaphysical aspect of reality. 1299 01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:27.079 Another thing is you can say, we don't know too 1300 01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.279 much about it, so vague as etherell. 1301 01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:31.760 We can't touch feelings. 1302 01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:35.520 See yeah, okay, fine, but you can deny you are, 1303 01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:38.840 at the end of the day, basically consciousness. 1304 01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:39.119 Right. 1305 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:46.119 So, but this is the problem that it's split in reality. 1306 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:51.880 Existence is maybe Anthony Peak talked about this, but existence 1307 01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:59.000 is gradual strata of vibrations. 1308 01:20:59.199 --> 01:20:59.560 That's it. 1309 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:05.119 There's no hard limits saying here the physical stops here, 1310 01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:06.640 the metaphysical stocks. 1311 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:08.159 The reason we. 1312 01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:12.680 Think that is that our five senses, which is on 1313 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:17.760 my main windows to the objective world as opposed to 1314 01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:22.560 the subjective world of five sentences are I don't know 1315 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:27.359 if it's some cosmic joke or just some cosmic sadism, 1316 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:31.880 but it's so limited certain ranges. 1317 01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:32.399 And that's it. 1318 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:36.960 This is all you are allowed, privileged to perceive an 1319 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:42.439 experience of this huge universe. We're probably the laughing stock 1320 01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:48.399 of living beings in the universe. Were like ants in 1321 01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:53.920 terms of consciousness range. So we think anything we can 1322 01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:57.920 perceive through those five senses, despite the fact that we 1323 01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:03.680 are ingenious enough to invent methods and tools to expand 1324 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:06.119 a little bit, like, for example, we can look into 1325 01:22:06.119 --> 01:22:12.359 the X ray thanks to tools, right some people. Clairvoyant said, right, yeah, 1326 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.720 we can discuss that there are anomalies among human beings. 1327 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.560 The more we become, the more anomalous we will animal 1328 01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:25.760 least we will see. So but the general rule is 1329 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:32.199 that we cannot perceive more than just a fraction of existence. 1330 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:36.079 Now this isn't true for other creatures, and plasma is 1331 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.840 at a level. I would say that when we soom down, 1332 01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:44.720 atoms are the lost man. Standing in terms of physicalities, 1333 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:48.399 also autommic particles, which you really are waves, but they 1334 01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:52.159 become particles as soon as we perceive them, like frozen 1335 01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:56.760 particule is a frozen wave in time and space. Then 1336 01:22:56.800 --> 01:23:00.600 we are talking about the first steps to the non 1337 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:07.760 physical Cosma is above fire. I'm used to operate in 1338 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:12.239 classical esoteric terminology, but I'm trying to always convert it 1339 01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:18.479 to modern science speak so that more people follow me, 1340 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:23.119 because that's what people have learned in our day and age. 1341 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:25.760 Of course, I won't speak like this if I was 1342 01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:29.479 conversing with Francis Bacon or Pythagoras or something, then I 1343 01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:32.399 would go straight to the classical language. But these are 1344 01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:37.159 just language. It's a language. Terminology is a model of 1345 01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:41.800 what's real. Okay, So I can't said that what's real 1346 01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:45.039 is the thing in itself, but we cannot perceive that. 1347 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.640 We can never know anything in itself. We can only 1348 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:53.319 know it through the thing in us. Everything has to 1349 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:58.159 go through our filter, our glasses, our biases, and our 1350 01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:02.199 perception and our subjectivity. But anyway, so I would say 1351 01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:06.880 then that plasma is the transition state, and there are 1352 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.039 beings at that level. And these beings are out there, 1353 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:16.840 they are floating about between Earth and the Moon, for example, 1354 01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:21.520 and God knows how prevalent these are. So this I 1355 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:24.119 know for a fact. There are there's evidence for this, 1356 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:28.479 so I'm not even speculating here. What's that number three? Yeah, 1357 01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:29.800 then there's number four. 1358 01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:31.119 Which is. 1359 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:36.520 Now I lost my own thread, so I said beings, Yeah, 1360 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:45.800 then there's now we're coming close to eggrigorse, et cetera. 1361 01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:56.359 There are non physical entities that can become what we 1362 01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:01.800 call physical because they can lower the frequencies. 1363 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:02.560 Down to. 1364 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:10.359 Everything is energy, right, Everything is energy, whether it's consciousness 1365 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:14.479 or what we call physically, et cetera. But where is 1366 01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:20.439 this energy operating? So if you operate, if you have 1367 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:24.720 a home in another frequency range, just like we can 1368 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:29.119 increase frequency, which is what we do when we, for example, 1369 01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:37.600 use time or space crafts other beings to put it 1370 01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:42.279 like that, other intelligences can do the same. And it's 1371 01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:44.800 not just about going up. It can also be going down. 1372 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:51.800 And I can't talk as certain about what we're dealing 1373 01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:56.079 with here, but they can take physical form. They did 1374 01:25:56.119 --> 01:26:00.600 it long before the U four up thing was concept. 1375 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:04.680 I mean in in in esoterica we have in magic, 1376 01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:11.640 they have been conjuring these entities, right, so we have that, 1377 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:17.119 and so so they can have physical form and they 1378 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:20.680 can also float about. What's the last one? 1379 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:26.560 Do you were talking about the thought forms the physical. 1380 01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:29.199 Be the Yeah, then it's then it's things we create, 1381 01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:36.479 that's right, which probably to a certain extent you could 1382 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:41.840 call it entities. But the psychology like shamanic journeys, et cetera. Right, 1383 01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:47.000 you you encounter beings that are it can be beings. 1384 01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:49.760 I'm not I'm not saying they are coming into our realm. 1385 01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.800 I'm saying we are going to the realm where they 1386 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:52.520 are operating. 1387 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:53.600 Right. 1388 01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:57.680 And for many people, especially people who are not trained 1389 01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:01.079 in dealing with these things, because you can have like 1390 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:07.119 accidental encounters with other states of consciousness. You can have 1391 01:27:07.159 --> 01:27:10.000 an accidental out of the body experience. You can have 1392 01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:14.920 an accidental trip if you like, it happens when you die. Anyway, 1393 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:17.279 you can be the stupidest person in the world. You 1394 01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:20.680 can be the most materialistic one. It doesn't matter. It's 1395 01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:24.159 possible for anyone to And if that happens to a 1396 01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:27.680 mainstream person who's always believed, you know, is always been 1397 01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:31.520 happy living in Plato's cave, never questioned anything, and then 1398 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:34.960 just thrown out there for some reason or another, they 1399 01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:38.039 can't say. They can't say for certain what's going on, right, 1400 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:43.239 They will project number one. Projection is the strongest element 1401 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:46.079 in play for all these things for everyone. So they 1402 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:48.560 would say that yeah, yeah, yeah, it was gray, it 1403 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:51.920 was whatever. They will talk about it as if it's 1404 01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:54.439 three D because they are used to operating in the 1405 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:57.960 three D material space. That's all they know. They won't 1406 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:01.960 know that something else happened. Remember, many of these can 1407 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:06.640 also influence us on that level. On if you can 1408 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:11.520 influence someone on the psychological level by will I don't 1409 01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:15.720 care if you're using technology or you're using more sophisticated 1410 01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:22.119 means like a spirit, would you you control the reality man. 1411 01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:26.640 And therefore I'm not saying it's not interesting to listen 1412 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:28.880 to these reports. I'm just saying you have to be 1413 01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.319 very meticulous when we classify them. 1414 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:32.319 It's like near. 1415 01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:36.279 Death studies, right, we have to peel off the subjective layers. 1416 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:39.000 How much of this is coming from the individual itself, 1417 01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:43.039 how much of this is objective and common for everyone? 1418 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:44.960 So you have. 1419 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:49.359 You need as many people as possible. Let's say you 1420 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:53.039 have ten thousand near death experiences, but then you also 1421 01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:56.520 need them all in both genders, in all ages, in 1422 01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:00.680 all cultures and all religions very important, So you have 1423 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:04.159 to have both time and space. 1424 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:05.640 You have to look. 1425 01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:08.880 So you should ideally also have people in the past 1426 01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:12.560 when there's different site grists, and then you can start 1427 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:16.479 looking at what are common denominators, what are objective here? 1428 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:20.720 And not just because most people you see this in 1429 01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:23.399 the New Age movement all the time, that follow any 1430 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:28.359 random guru walking by. Now, it's fine that people can 1431 01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:32.760 have insights, it's fine that you could have understood something, 1432 01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:39.560 but most spiritual truths are subjective, unfortunately, and to get 1433 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:43.680 to the objective spiritual truths are very hard. Most religions, too, 1434 01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:50.000 are based upon founders that it's still they're operating in 1435 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:55.520 subjective world and that's limited as a limited value for 1436 01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:59.720 anyone else than yourself. You're not meant to, you know, 1437 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:03.680 announced to the world all the answers of the cosmos. 1438 01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:06.840 You're meant to finding them for yourself and use that 1439 01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:11.199 to get yourself ahead. But you know, people are like, 1440 01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:16.000 there's one room for me, another for you. Classical psychological thing, 1441 01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:18.840 right is to I want to sensor others because they 1442 01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:23.600 can't be responsible for dealing with knowledge. Instead of facing 1443 01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.920 like young would say, your own inner chaos, you're trying 1444 01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:29.960 to control others. So this is the human condition. We're 1445 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:33.520 at a so low level of consciousness and perception and everything, 1446 01:30:33.720 --> 01:30:37.399 even where we are operating. We really should be ashamed 1447 01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:39.680 of ourselves. I wonder if we are, like if this 1448 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:42.079 was a school, we are that naughty kid in the 1449 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:47.000 corner with a donkey thing on. So I can't wait 1450 01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:48.720 to get out of here. That's one reason to be 1451 01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:52.880 into esoterica. It is to accelerate your own pace so 1452 01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:57.319 you can, you know, enter another level of class. 1453 01:30:58.000 --> 01:30:58.600 But there's so. 1454 01:30:58.640 --> 01:31:02.119 Much too, you know, it's not about understanding as much 1455 01:31:02.119 --> 01:31:05.199 as possible, Like people think I wish it was. I mean, 1456 01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:08.399 there's so many brilliant psychopaths they will be ahead of us. 1457 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:08.640 Then. 1458 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:13.119 No, Unfortunately, we have to take our emotional body with us, 1459 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.119 and that means, oh my god, we have to love everyone. 1460 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:19.399 We have to be patient tallerrand but we have to 1461 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:22.039 be like a parent is with a child when you 1462 01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:23.760 really just want to punch them in the face. 1463 01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.520 Right, So it's going to take time for all of us. 1464 01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:31.159 Well, I think right now we're in a very important 1465 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:34.520 time when it comes to the awareness of those things 1466 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:37.039 that you were just discussing, and I have hope that 1467 01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:41.319 more people are reaching higher levels of that awareness when 1468 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:46.319 it comes to trying to understand the UFO agenda, the 1469 01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:51.000 narratives that are coming out right now, trying to peel 1470 01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:54.640 back at least some of the surface layers you mentioned 1471 01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:58.920 the Nazi regime, and that time period seems to be 1472 01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:02.840 a very critical period at least when it comes to 1473 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:07.880 development of some of the technology that we're probably been 1474 01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:12.279 exposed to when it correlates to the UFO phenomena. But 1475 01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:18.399 as far as peeling back a few layers of the 1476 01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:22.279 surface information that we hear about the possibilities of what 1477 01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:28.119 the Nazis were doing secret societies, channeling non human intelligence, 1478 01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:32.720 is developing UFOs secret bases in Antarctica. These are the 1479 01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:36.680 things that come out of the surface level conspiracy community 1480 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.439 these days. But what can we peel back to understand 1481 01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:45.039 deeper levels to this time period and its importance in 1482 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:45.800 what's happening. 1483 01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:49.840 I think the most important thing we can take over 1484 01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:53.399 that time period is that before the war, there was 1485 01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:56.520 an openness in society. Of course of US biases, of 1486 01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:59.239 course the US power cliques. Of course there was a 1487 01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:09.079 geological or but it became institutionalized. You know, the poster 1488 01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:14.720 boy for this is Duless, right, and you know whether 1489 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:19.720 the Nazis, you know who took over, who called the shots, 1490 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:26.600 and you know, let's deal with our current power elite. Okay, 1491 01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:30.960 no matter where they came from or how they developed. 1492 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:34.640 And some of the things that the new administration in 1493 01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:39.399 America is dismantling. I think they're actually knowing what they're doing. 1494 01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:43.720 In many cases, they're dismantling a lot of the heritage 1495 01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:48.560 from that time. So in their forties and the fifties, 1496 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:52.600 everything they just like, okay, we have to stop it 1497 01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:55.720 exploded in the twenties and the thirties, we knowing too 1498 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:58.399 much before that. It was great to be on the 1499 01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:02.720 side of progression and science and optimism and believe in 1500 01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:07.960 the future and everything right, because they hadn't hit that 1501 01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:12.119 wall yet where at some point they realized, Oh my god, 1502 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:14.840 the power that's possible with all this, Oh my God, 1503 01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:17.520 the control that's possible with all this. And then it's 1504 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:20.640 the paranoia and the selfishness, right, and the projection. Oh God, 1505 01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:24.640 it means others may do this to us. We need 1506 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:30.920 to force the masses into a very tiny overtone window, 1507 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:33.079 and we need to look them there, we need to 1508 01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:37.760 keep them there. Hence materialism has never been Materialism was 1509 01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:41.520 never a dominating I mean, people were more religious than 1510 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:46.760 anything before the war. But they put the materialism a 1511 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.439 paradigm they didn't even believe in themselves. They put it 1512 01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:55.199 on steroids and made it the mainstream overtone window because 1513 01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:58.319 it's so easy to control them. If it's even better 1514 01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:03.279 than Catholicism, Catholicism which dominated Europe for a thousand years. 1515 01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:06.319 Too many holes. You don't need a lot of brain 1516 01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:10.640 cells to start poking holes in that construction. Right, it's 1517 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:18.439 a model that it works Islamism, whatever, those models work 1518 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:22.119 to a certain extent to control society. I'm not saying 1519 01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:26.239 that there's no spiritual value in these systems. Any spiritual 1520 01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.760 system has a value. Actually, depending on how much of 1521 01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:32.840 a sincere believer you are, how much you actually apply it, 1522 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.000 you can navigate almost anything. 1523 01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:35.920 Even this. 1524 01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:43.119 The holographic the simulation model can even work as a 1525 01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:48.119 new religion. But I'm saying as a control mechanism, yeah, 1526 01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:52.600 when you're dealing with cave dwellers in Afghanistan, sure Islamism 1527 01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:59.439 can work. So Caitalytism, Protestantism, whatever, all these isms, even 1528 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.119 Communist Soviet in Union. Well, I would say they were 1529 01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:08.039 using materialism to a for extent. But even though they 1530 01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:12.600 were experimenting with the parapsychology and all that, they were 1531 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:13.159 aware of. 1532 01:36:13.079 --> 01:36:14.039 The metaphysical stuff. 1533 01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:17.079 But all this stopped working as effective tools for suppression 1534 01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:20.640 anti materialism. So I would say the heritage from the 1535 01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:24.279 war was that everything fantastical. 1536 01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:24.960 Everything. 1537 01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:28.079 By the way, the definition of fantastical would be anything 1538 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:34.560 going beyond those tiny silos that we were forced into, 1539 01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:39.560 and anything there. It could be tolerated to a certain 1540 01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:42.680 extent if it didn't have any practical value. So if 1541 01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:46.079 someone was remembering their former lives, sure have at it on. 1542 01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:53.039 But if you go further, and let's say free energy, 1543 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:57.720 now we're talking tangible stuff. Now you're threatening powerful interests 1544 01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:02.560 that cannot stand. And so that's the most important. And 1545 01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:05.399 then what does it matter if it was Nazis or 1546 01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:10.920 the Anglo American fascism. It's all fascism at the end 1547 01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:16.279 of the day. It's all anti human, anti democracy, anti autonomy, 1548 01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:22.840 and anti decentralization. In other words, it's centralization. So it's centralization, 1549 01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:32.119 it's anti free speech, it's manipulation, it's sheepherding you, it's 1550 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:32.840 controlling you. 1551 01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:33.920 All that stuff. 1552 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:38.880 I don't care if it's comes with the hammer and 1553 01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:41.039 what do you call the other one in the Soviet 1554 01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:44.880 flight the hammer and sickle. I don't care if it 1555 01:37:44.920 --> 01:37:47.520 has that symbol, or if it has the swastika, or 1556 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:51.279 if it has the dollar or the David star. You know, 1557 01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:54.279 it's still doing the same thing to me. It's not 1558 01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:57.680 letting me breathe, it's not letting me explore, it's not 1559 01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:02.079 letting me grow in freedom. All children who grow in 1560 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:05.119 freedom become smarter than even in animals. Wolves are ten 1561 01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:10.520 times smarter than domesticated dogs. Wild sheep are ten times 1562 01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:14.159 bores ten times on. This is the same for the humans. 1563 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:18.479 So we are living in a construct and I wouldn't 1564 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:19.199 even mind it. 1565 01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:19.840 Look if we. 1566 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:20.800 Were if it was a. 1567 01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:29.000 Real geocracy like enlightened No, aristocracy which originally meant the 1568 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:35.239 best people, not like now when it's the real world. 1569 01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:40.000 What we really call aristocracy has another world. I forget 1570 01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:42.239 it in the moment. But if it was the best 1571 01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:45.520 and the bright enlightened people, good people, people who wanted 1572 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:50.000 how can the human race grow and prosper? Then okay, 1573 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:53.239 you do these things. I have my own stuff going on, 1574 01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:56.800 But no, everybody has to be engaged. Because it's the 1575 01:38:56.840 --> 01:39:01.880 lowest and the dumbest amongost, the most greediest, primitive, evil 1576 01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:05.319 people among us, who are calling those are the one 1577 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.760 are sending. We live in a system where the only 1578 01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:13.079 reward for anyone grasping power is to abuse it. So 1579 01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:16.600 those are the people who want to take it done. 1580 01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:19.720 Everybody else the good. The better of a person you are, 1581 01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:22.319 the more naive you are, the more gullible you are, 1582 01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:26.239 because you project your own goodness. Everybody projects good people too. No, 1583 01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:29.039 they could never Oh no, if it was me, I 1584 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:31.039 would you know, I would think of health, I would 1585 01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:37.000 think of enlightenment. No, sorry, mate, it's not how the 1586 01:39:37.079 --> 01:39:40.079 kindergarten is a raised it's the Lord of the flowers. 1587 01:39:40.640 --> 01:39:45.960 Well, you mentioned that we do have a very advanced, 1588 01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:50.600 hidden secret space program that we most likely have already 1589 01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:54.159 been to Mars and the Moon. Talk a little bit 1590 01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:58.720 about what you know about this program, the state that 1591 01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:04.640 it's currently in, and what we know of the conspiracy 1592 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:10.720 community secret space program is much more fantastical and probably 1593 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:14.840 has a lot of collaborations and nonsense in it. So 1594 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:19.119 talk a little bit about what's most likely really in place. 1595 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:26.960 So this has been investigated and written about and researched 1596 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:31.880 and explored for a long time, but it never got traction. 1597 01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:39.720 Then Internet came, and I would say around twelve ten 1598 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:43.399 twenty twelve we started to get traction and all the 1599 01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:47.439 right people where they were having conferences, they were discussing it, 1600 01:40:47.479 --> 01:40:50.520 and it was very sober. It was something that should 1601 01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:53.479 have come out now. It's like how they kind of 1602 01:40:53.640 --> 01:41:00.680 some people treat the UAP thing now and in immediately 1603 01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:04.960 it got hijacked by this fantastical bullshit, which is always 1604 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:08.359 what happens, right, And of course it's an op. Even 1605 01:41:08.399 --> 01:41:11.279 if it wasn't an up, it would have happened because 1606 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:13.800 there are always these people that want to make a 1607 01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:14.880 name for themselves. 1608 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:16.359 They are fast and loose. 1609 01:41:16.199 --> 01:41:19.159 They want to earn money, they want to become gurus. 1610 01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:24.600 They always seize upon what's popular. Now, this is popular, 1611 01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:25.960 Antarctica is popular. 1612 01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:31.000 A classified space program is because it triggers people's imagination, right, 1613 01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:34.199 And it's such a huge lie. What if it's real? 1614 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:37.600 What if there are structures and ruins on the Moon 1615 01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:44.600 and other objects in the Solar System. It's just the 1616 01:41:44.600 --> 01:41:46.880 same as what if there are spacecrafts out there? 1617 01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:47.399 Right, So. 1618 01:41:49.560 --> 01:41:52.319 It has to be seised upon, and those people who 1619 01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:57.079 launch outrageous conspiracy theories a head using that world because 1620 01:41:57.119 --> 01:42:01.039 it's giving it to those who invented it to SmackDown. 1621 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:02.199 I don't even define my. 1622 01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:03.039 Show as a goose. 1623 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:06.479 Look for example, me, I don't know about you, I 1624 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:11.520 don't know you enough, But me I have I explore 1625 01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:18.960 historical areas, I explore philosophical areas, I explore psychological areas, scientific, cultural, 1626 01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:22.760 and then there may be conspiracies within each of these areas, right, 1627 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:25.720 which is of course it is star in the nature 1628 01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:29.279 of the human game, planning and keeping. 1629 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:32.640 Something new to yourself. That's per definition. So of course 1630 01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:33.760 that happens all over. 1631 01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:39.560 So but anyway, the classical conspiracy thing, I would say 1632 01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:44.960 that it went off rails in the fifteen sixteen and 1633 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:50.119 now even me, who was interested in I got allergic 1634 01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:54.880 to it because oh it's so tainted. And you know, 1635 01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:57.920 the effect of it is that this fringe of the 1636 01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:01.439 most naive or a extreme you know, those who would 1637 01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:05.760 be fundamentalists. If we were in an if everybody was Islamic, 1638 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:08.880 there would be someone and that was the only some 1639 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:12.640 would be fundamentalistic. If everybody was Christians, some would be 1640 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:16.239 fundamental It's the same here. So the less intelligent or 1641 01:43:16.279 --> 01:43:20.880 the mentally unstable or the half psychotic people, they go 1642 01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:25.680 full way into the fantastical, over the top stuff, and 1643 01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:30.800 it drives sober people away. And that's the intention of it. 1644 01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:35.239 That's why it is like that, That's why they want 1645 01:43:35.319 --> 01:43:43.199 to launch outrageous hypotheses that are presented with high certainty 1646 01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:49.720 by these self appointed gurus or up you know, chills 1647 01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:54.880 and agents. So but anyway, I hope we can I 1648 01:43:55.000 --> 01:44:00.600 see ways we are converging back to the ginning again. 1649 01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:07.760 For example, mainstream journalists and researchers who are new to 1650 01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:12.880 the UAP thing, who sincerely want to like this guy 1651 01:44:12.920 --> 01:44:14.920 what's his name? One of those guys who did the 1652 01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:20.399 Twitter files, what's his name? It was mattera Ibi and 1653 01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:21.119 this other. 1654 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.000 Guy I'm not sure the name. I think I know 1655 01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:23.800 who you're talking about. 1656 01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:30.560 Yeah, he knows now about this classified space program. And 1657 01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:33.159 there's others too. They don't know how deep it goes. 1658 01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:36.279 One of the Congress people knows about it, the one 1659 01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:39.720 who was interviewed by even Tucker Carlson is aware of it. 1660 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:44.079 So now people who weren't aware of it are becoming 1661 01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:46.079 aware of it. And these are serious people, These are 1662 01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:49.439 honest players. Okay, They're not in there to create a 1663 01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:52.439 new cult, a new religion, or they want to hear 1664 01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:56.960 about how the lists are fighting the Grace on Mars right, 1665 01:44:57.399 --> 01:45:02.880 So I think it's very close to disclosure, especially since 1666 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:07.960 they're going to audit Pentagon. Now Pentagon itself is just 1667 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:12.199 playing with some toys. The real everything that's real about 1668 01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:17.000 is is exppropriated to private players. But there are tracks 1669 01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:19.640 and trails. It's going to be very hard for them 1670 01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:26.279 to cover up those you know, billing the state one 1671 01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:33.640 hundred thousand dollars for nail right, so that they can 1672 01:45:33.680 --> 01:45:38.840 take nine hundred and ninety nine point ninety nine thousand 1673 01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:43.640 into the classical space program. When there's no oversight, you 1674 01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:49.119 get away with that shit. Now they are very so 1675 01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:51.960 at some point I think the Trump administration will stop 1676 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:55.279 peeling the onion because it's going to blow up in 1677 01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:56.720 their face if they go all the way. 1678 01:45:56.760 --> 01:45:58.680 They can't do that. Of course. 1679 01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:03.119 On the other hand, you have the players. It's not 1680 01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:07.920 like one player one. There's different kind of insiders and 1681 01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:11.399 they have access to different kind of inside games. Okay, 1682 01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:14.880 some are overlapping, some are aware of each other, some 1683 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:17.880 are unaware. But whoever you are on the inside, you 1684 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:20.760 want to I think more and more of them are 1685 01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:23.000 going to throw in the towel and think, okay, how 1686 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:25.960 can we now come out with this in a way 1687 01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:30.439 that doesn't see what did they do in South Africa? 1688 01:46:31.399 --> 01:46:33.800 It was not a really Palestina. It would have to 1689 01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:36.079 be something similar if it's ever going to be sold. 1690 01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:39.960 They had this truth and I forgot what it was called, 1691 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:43.800 but like a forgiveness commission. So first of all, we're 1692 01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:46.760 not going to retaliate as long as you put all 1693 01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:49.039 the facts on the table. This is what will have 1694 01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:51.479 to happen with the real deep state too. I'm going 1695 01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:55.520 to say how much, you know, I hate it as 1696 01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:57.760 much as the next person. I would want to, you know, 1697 01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:03.439 flog their balls from now to eternity, but it's not 1698 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:05.439 going to work. They're going to be hostile to us 1699 01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:08.159 forever because you're not going to get any jail time. 1700 01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:10.520 We're not going to punish you in any way, shape 1701 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:12.439 or form. But you have to come over and play 1702 01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:12.800 for us. 1703 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:13.000 Now. 1704 01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:15.199 You have to put everything on the table, and you 1705 01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:18.640 have to help us go even deeper. And so the 1706 01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:21.399 next layer of people we are flushing out, smoking out, 1707 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.960 same amnesty to them, et cetera, until you're at the 1708 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:29.760 bottom of them. That's how it will have to go, unfortunately, 1709 01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:35.560 but so and then accountability from now on and all 1710 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:38.159 the bad people will have to get away with it. 1711 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:41.319 But that way we will get there. And they are 1712 01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:45.399 trying to do this, and that's why you see, for example, 1713 01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:49.680 they say now we're going to go to mors that 1714 01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:55.159 what that really means is now we're gonna slowly disclose 1715 01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:59.479 that we're already there because in your you're in my 1716 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:02.880 life time, we will be on Mars. That's going to 1717 01:48:02.920 --> 01:48:05.239 happen in our lifetime. Now, if you go one or 1718 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:09.119 two generations from now, it's going to be very exotic. 1719 01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:13.199 When we really went there for the first time, it's 1720 01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:16.079 not going to matter because they're going to have their issues. 1721 01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:16.159 To deal with. 1722 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:20.479 Maybe there's now a maybe the mass colony has declared 1723 01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:24.479 itself separate from Earth and joining forces with the Moon 1724 01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:27.199 because they're going to have another reality to deal with that, 1725 01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.319 and then they're going to be some people who dig up. Yeah, 1726 01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:32.920 you know what, we actually came to Mars. The real 1727 01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:36.119 history of Mars was that blah blah blah. Well, actually, 1728 01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:39.000 just one generation, when all the people who matters are dead, 1729 01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:42.920 everything will come out. The reason they can't do that, 1730 01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:45.479 for the for example, the JFK thing or the nine 1731 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:48.600 to eleven thing, is that the institutions who were around 1732 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:52.920 are still around and still have power. And it's not 1733 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:56.800 even that it's that people are still looking gullibly at 1734 01:48:56.840 --> 01:49:02.119 those institutions. If those institutions are dismantled and they get 1735 01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:03.840 new names, that may be one of the. 1736 01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:04.960 Reasons they're doing what they're doing. 1737 01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:10.479 They are taking down the slush phone of CIA USAID. 1738 01:49:11.319 --> 01:49:14.960 Really USA Idea had never anything to do with AID. 1739 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:18.359 They're taking that down, killing it. But you can be 1740 01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:21.720 sure some of the main programs are going to be 1741 01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:25.119 continued in other state outlets. 1742 01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:28.960 Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic about some of the things that 1743 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:31.760 are occurring, but I will keep a close eye on it. 1744 01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:32.960 But go ahead, what are you going to say? 1745 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:38.319 Yeah, No, I'm just saying. Then when there's CIA isn't 1746 01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:42.560 any longer called CIA, they can flush out their crimes 1747 01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:45.119 because the people who did it are dead. At every 1748 01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:49.800 relevant people are gone, and the label it was under 1749 01:49:49.840 --> 01:49:53.359 is gone. What does it matter? Look how transparent we are, 1750 01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:58.079 You're only transparent if you're truthful about your own monkey 1751 01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:01.479 business in real time. But they're going to get a 1752 01:50:01.479 --> 01:50:05.039 lot of free be goodwill from But I think, I mean, 1753 01:50:05.239 --> 01:50:08.359 I'll take it. At least it's something we've been kept 1754 01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:13.000 in this insane bubble. This is why I launched my show. 1755 01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:17.399 I didn't launch my show to explore stuff mainly that 1756 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:21.479 I myself are particularly interested in, because I have many 1757 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:23.760 interests that are not covered in my show. And like 1758 01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:26.520 I said to you before, we've begun esoterica, which is 1759 01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:30.279 my main thing. I don't have many on there because 1760 01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:33.279 I'm so critical, because I know something about it. I 1761 01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:37.039 wanted more of the fantastical stuff out there, reach the 1762 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:41.520 gap between those who believe in anything coming along naively 1763 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.000 and those who didn't believe in anything. See if we 1764 01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:46.479 can find this middle space where we can find some 1765 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:49.359 kind of truth. And it seems to me that reality 1766 01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:52.319 has caught up with me and that's where we are 1767 01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:56.319 and that's where we're going. So I think I'm optimistic 1768 01:50:56.399 --> 01:50:59.640 in that way. The fact that they're talking about more 1769 01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:03.479 means we're going to see it come to fruition soon. Officially, 1770 01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:08.119 the same with Ai, same it all on this stuff. 1771 01:51:08.479 --> 01:51:13.439 Whatever they are announcing, they've already been there and there. 1772 01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:18.159 Far right, Well, let's get to the deeper possibilities when 1773 01:51:18.159 --> 01:51:24.119 it comes to disclosure what we've been experiencing and what 1774 01:51:24.199 --> 01:51:29.319 the collective has been presented when it comes to the 1775 01:51:29.479 --> 01:51:35.720 UFO phenomenon through cinema, media, other people's experiences, the quote 1776 01:51:35.800 --> 01:51:41.279 unquote experts, it seems like there are deeper levels to 1777 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:46.199 just seeking power, just seeking control over the masses, and 1778 01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:50.600 there does seem to be a metaphysical aspect of this 1779 01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:57.720 that manifests in the collective also in individual people's lives 1780 01:51:58.439 --> 01:52:04.319 for unknown reason, unknown triggers some experiences where trauma triggers 1781 01:52:04.319 --> 01:52:08.840 these experiences. I know that there has been heavy psychological 1782 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:13.840 operations that are based off of these mind control ops 1783 01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:17.840 that came out of the sixties and seventies and probably 1784 01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:23.800 have been implemented in many different ways through our modern technology, pharmaceuticals, 1785 01:52:24.439 --> 01:52:31.359 our entertainment business. So culture creation has taken place in 1786 01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:36.279 many different formats, especially when it comes to this UFO phenomenon. 1787 01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:38.159 But what do you think are some of the deeper 1788 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:40.920 levels and purposes for it? 1789 01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:48.760 So at some point the power players, okay, you know, 1790 01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:53.399 let's not even identify them. There's human beings around in 1791 01:52:53.439 --> 01:52:58.000 controllable society and they have access to different stuff. I'm 1792 01:52:58.039 --> 01:53:02.439 talking generically. At some point they became aware that there 1793 01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:06.800 is a reality that we cannot access with our senses, 1794 01:53:07.039 --> 01:53:11.319 higher frequency and reality, and they also realized that there 1795 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:14.840 are is a very thin veil between it. Actually there's 1796 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:20.239 no veil. The veil is created by our senses. And 1797 01:53:20.279 --> 01:53:23.760 they also realized that human beings have the capability to 1798 01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:30.239 operate on other frequencies than where we sense. And they 1799 01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:35.560 also realized that there is an organic way to achieve this, 1800 01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:38.960 which has been done since the dawn of a mankind, 1801 01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:42.960 and an circled enlightened person, and not talk about this 1802 01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:49.000 classical stage, Dur, I'm talking about a real enlightened person 1803 01:53:49.039 --> 01:53:54.960 would never, never ever cease attention, would never put him 1804 01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:58.600 or herself out there and try to gain followers. Okay, 1805 01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:03.840 that's not an enlightened person anyway, let's not go there. 1806 01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:07.920 So but the problem with becoming an enlightened person, and 1807 01:54:07.960 --> 01:54:11.600 I'm talking generic about that too, because there's different ways 1808 01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:14.680 to become enlightened, different areas, et cetera. We all have 1809 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:25.079 almost an unlimited field of area to plow to develop. So, 1810 01:54:25.640 --> 01:54:29.680 but they realize that it's mutually exclusive to their self. 1811 01:54:29.800 --> 01:54:34.199 Because these people are power people. They are petty, they're greedy, 1812 01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:39.720 they are petulant, they are selfish, they are primitive, they 1813 01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:43.720 are impatient, they are materialistic. Many of them are evil 1814 01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:47.600 and statistic. So like, they have all the wrong qualities 1815 01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:53.319 to conquer and cease this domain by themselves organically. But 1816 01:54:53.399 --> 01:54:56.000 can it be done in other ways? For example, can 1817 01:54:56.039 --> 01:54:59.560 we take one of these people, you know, they never 1818 01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:04.720 put like, for example, who was put into these programs 1819 01:55:05.239 --> 01:55:09.840 of developing par site what's. 1820 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:11.000 It called Parside Institute? 1821 01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:17.359 None of the ability remote viewing, remote viewing, yeah yeah, 1822 01:55:17.439 --> 01:55:20.600 or astra projection all that. They always need to take 1823 01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:25.119 normal people who are buying into the system and yeah, 1824 01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:29.399 I a soldier for example, Yes, I represent my homeland 1825 01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:31.119 and I believe in the flag and all that. 1826 01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:32.760 So what do you want me to do? 1827 01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:37.039 Right, So they take normal people. It's very hard for 1828 01:55:37.079 --> 01:55:40.119 them to in cooperate with actual enlightened people, but they 1829 01:55:40.199 --> 01:55:43.680 have to take people with potential. So that's one way 1830 01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:45.960 they can do it. They can put the plubs in 1831 01:55:46.039 --> 01:55:48.199 an experiment with the plubs and see how far the 1832 01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:52.239 plubs can go and see if they can steer results 1833 01:55:52.279 --> 01:55:54.560 that way. The Soviets did the same, right, they had 1834 01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:59.479 people who worked for their agenda, but even a better way, 1835 01:55:59.600 --> 01:56:03.079 because you never want to work with human beings. The 1836 01:56:03.159 --> 01:56:06.359 problem with human beings, this is why they need AI, 1837 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:11.640 is that human beings have not consciousness but conscience. Is 1838 01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:16.319 that what you're say, a conscience? They have ethic, they 1839 01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:19.359 have they love pee other people, they have ideals. Maybe 1840 01:56:19.359 --> 01:56:23.520 they build like an advert Snowden. Right, if this was 1841 01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:25.840 a twenty year in the future, they will need ed 1842 01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:29.319 the Snowden to do whatever he was doing, but now 1843 01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:32.319 they needed normal people. And normal people are going to 1844 01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:35.239 be a disturbance when they start peeling off some of 1845 01:56:35.279 --> 01:56:38.359 the layer of the rule, how rotten it is underneath, 1846 01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:42.279 and then they're gonna it's unpredictable how they will react, right, 1847 01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:45.640 and human beings will are ingenious as too. We will 1848 01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:49.520 spontaneously discover all these things that they are doing, which 1849 01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:53.039 is why first layer of resistance is to say nothing 1850 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:56.199 of it exists. Second layer of existence is to punish 1851 01:56:56.279 --> 01:56:58.920 you if you try to if you still operate as 1852 01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:01.279 if it exists, not going to get any job, You're 1853 01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:04.680 going to be ridiculed. You're going to be punished, especially 1854 01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:07.239 if you're academician. Because we have given all the powers. 1855 01:57:07.359 --> 01:57:09.560 That's a new priests, right, So you can't have priests. 1856 01:57:09.600 --> 01:57:13.119 You can't have Catholic priests saying there's no help. And 1857 01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:15.960 when you want a Catholic head Germany, it's just going 1858 01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:18.239 to be the same with the so called scientists. That's 1859 01:57:18.279 --> 01:57:21.680 why the whole COVID house of cards are calming down now. 1860 01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:25.840 People aren't believing in medicine or anything at all. The 1861 01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:29.920 baby's coming out with the bath water is what they did. 1862 01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:32.600 So and the third layer is to. 1863 01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:38.560 Go after them if something happens. First case scenario, kill 1864 01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:44.399 them right, burn them at a steak. So nothing has changed, 1865 01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:47.960 it's just the sophistication of how we're doing this. We're 1866 01:57:47.960 --> 01:57:50.800 still operating at the same level as thousand years ago 1867 01:57:50.920 --> 01:57:56.199 or whatever. So machines going to be better than humans. 1868 01:57:56.439 --> 01:58:00.479 Can we use machines to manipulate consciousness? Haven we use 1869 01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:07.359 machines to open a little filter, open some vortexes, open 1870 01:58:07.479 --> 01:58:11.000 some looking into the range of because then we have 1871 01:58:11.039 --> 01:58:16.119 don't have to deal with any of these pesky human 1872 01:58:16.159 --> 01:58:21.439 beings normal human beings. Then we the elite, the powers 1873 01:58:21.439 --> 01:58:27.640 that be, the psychopaths, can advance or agenda freely. And 1874 01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:31.920 this is what they're doing and what's happening. And they 1875 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:36.319 wanna they wanna root out human beings that have too 1876 01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:41.239 much of our spiritual footprints, which is why the more 1877 01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:43.760 spiritual you really are, the more under the radar you 1878 01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:47.720 try to go, and the less people who know about 1879 01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:50.680 you and have heard about you. So this is the 1880 01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:54.640 reason for secret societies to begin with, because nothing new 1881 01:58:54.720 --> 01:59:02.239 under the sun. It wasn't primarily to operate in secret 1882 01:59:02.359 --> 01:59:05.399 to do evil, which also works, of course, but you 1883 01:59:05.439 --> 01:59:08.279 don't have to do that if you are all mighty. Now, 1884 01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:12.800 the Dominicans didn't have to be secret about burning others 1885 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:17.760 at the stake, right. Sure they could have some intel 1886 01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:25.880 spy groups whatever like, because it's so evil what we're doing. 1887 01:59:25.920 --> 01:59:28.199 It's so anti human what we're doing that not even 1888 01:59:28.239 --> 01:59:29.560 our own can know about it. 1889 01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:30.840 Yeah, sure those. 1890 01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:38.680 Things like pope rapings, clubs in the Vatican and behind 1891 01:59:38.720 --> 01:59:41.399 the scenes. Sure stuff like that can go on. But 1892 01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:44.960 for the most part, if you're going to be put 1893 01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:48.199 a political player and operate in secrecy, it's because you 1894 01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:51.760 want to usurp the current powers. So it's usually how 1895 01:59:51.800 --> 01:59:56.159 you get a revolution about is that you organize them 1896 01:59:56.199 --> 02:00:00.000 cells that when the secret police come and get you, 1897 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:04.640 you only know about your immediate like there are protection mechanisms, 1898 02:00:04.640 --> 02:00:08.000 and spiritually it's the same thing, So you shouldn't be 1899 02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:11.920 immediately skeptical when it comes to the spiritual stuff and 1900 02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:15.399 players that are going under the radar, like the Gnostics 1901 02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:18.039 had to organize themselves like that. Just to take an 1902 02:00:18.079 --> 02:00:24.199 example of the Sufis, when they were confronted with dogmatic 1903 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:28.960 or orthodox forces, and so what was the original question. 1904 02:00:28.800 --> 02:00:34.680 Forgot we were talking about the deeper levels of the operation, 1905 02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:37.199 of the psychological UFO operation. 1906 02:00:37.720 --> 02:00:39.000 Yeah, let's bring it back there. 1907 02:00:39.079 --> 02:00:44.119 So yeah, so we know for sure that there are 1908 02:00:44.439 --> 02:00:48.880 metaphysical aspects to it. And that's because even the physical UFOs, 1909 02:00:50.359 --> 02:00:56.920 meaning even the dismos, even the machines, become metaphysical in 1910 02:00:57.079 --> 02:01:02.640 some point they start accelerating. You know, the classical experiment 1911 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:09.640 in the eighteen hundreds, you had this tingling around rum 1912 02:01:10.720 --> 02:01:12.880 rum and it goes faster, right, and then the sound 1913 02:01:12.920 --> 02:01:21.319 goes up one at some point out of the limited 1914 02:01:21.439 --> 02:01:26.479 range of sound, right, same with physical movement. It starts 1915 02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:31.880 changing colors. It goes from red the lowest frequency spectr 1916 02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:36.439 up to viole at the highest it starts. You cannot 1917 02:01:36.479 --> 02:01:40.199 see a wheel moving. It goes fast enough, it looks 1918 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:44.479 as if it's standing still, right, and eventually it goes 1919 02:01:44.520 --> 02:01:49.239 out of the limited range of vision, so called invisible, 1920 02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:52.279 so you can't hear it anymore and you can't see 1921 02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:55.760 it anymore. Now, when we come to anti gravity, they 1922 02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:59.680 have even more hurdles they have to pass, so they 1923 02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:03.720 are going up to a level of vibration where you 1924 02:02:03.760 --> 02:02:07.880 could you could still pick them up with let's say 1925 02:02:09.560 --> 02:02:15.560 ultra violet, and that's why we see so many upiece 1926 02:02:16.119 --> 02:02:23.199 in the ultra violet specter around in the world. Like 1927 02:02:23.319 --> 02:02:29.920 you have these football stadium ciss in our atmosphere beyond 1928 02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:33.560 our atmosphere, which I think are organic. I cannot fathom 1929 02:02:33.600 --> 02:02:36.199 that those could be beings like us. 1930 02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:39.880 That's very interesting. I had a gentleman that specializes in 1931 02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:43.760 different filters, in different types of photography of the sky, 1932 02:02:43.920 --> 02:02:49.159 and he's captured these plasma like amoeba like organic looking 1933 02:02:49.560 --> 02:02:53.800 massive creatures in the sky that can't be seen but 1934 02:02:54.039 --> 02:02:57.039 through some of these special filters that were he used 1935 02:02:57.079 --> 02:02:58.920 on his camera. So that's very interesting. 1936 02:02:59.800 --> 02:03:04.960 Yeah, this goes back to the fifties. One proponent of this, 1937 02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:07.720 he wasn't by far, the only one was wille Roche. 1938 02:03:07.840 --> 02:03:12.479 He developed a machine to bust them because he found 1939 02:03:12.920 --> 02:03:17.800 some critters who were sucking on vitality, so they were yeah, 1940 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:22.000 cloud busting machines he developed. He had his he called 1941 02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:24.520 it orgone. He had his own terminology, but it was 1942 02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:25.800 highly scientifical. 1943 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:27.520 Of course, he got crushed by the. 1944 02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:30.680 Food and vruge administration and others. So then you already 1945 02:03:30.720 --> 02:03:34.840 then you're not going to come here and challenge our hemoney. 1946 02:03:34.920 --> 02:03:38.800 This area is our hegemonon But where are we So 1947 02:03:39.159 --> 02:03:42.199 when we have machines and tools who go into the 1948 02:03:42.359 --> 02:03:47.520 metaphysical level, let's call it that done. You're gonna start. 1949 02:03:48.720 --> 02:03:50.560 You see, it's the same thing we live now in 1950 02:03:50.760 --> 02:03:57.399 People are extremely ignorant about wireless. In my country, everybody 1951 02:03:57.439 --> 02:04:00.479 is like, I want as much violess as possible. Opposite, 1952 02:04:00.520 --> 02:04:03.239 I want as much wired as possible because I know 1953 02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:08.359 that some frequencies interfering with or organic are damaging. It's 1954 02:04:08.399 --> 02:04:11.920 the same as eating poison. Some frequencies are neutral, some 1955 02:04:11.960 --> 02:04:15.960 are beneficial. So but anyone who discovers a machine, oh 1956 02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:20.159 my god, it's a machine that influences my organism somehow, 1957 02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:22.720 it must be positive. You see that in New age. 1958 02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:25.119 So they beam themselves with all sorts of machines. They 1959 02:04:25.119 --> 02:04:27.800 have no idea what the machine is doing. They just 1960 02:04:28.159 --> 02:04:30.439 I feel an effect. It must be good. They don't 1961 02:04:30.439 --> 02:04:32.840 know if it's inducing candle or whatever. It is right, 1962 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:37.920 because there are some frequencies that resonates, some dissonate, some 1963 02:04:38.000 --> 02:04:42.439 are neutral. The trick is to know which one are 1964 02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:48.680 beneficial and which one or not. And so so my 1965 02:04:48.760 --> 02:04:52.720 point is that when you have that that was just 1966 02:04:52.760 --> 02:04:55.199 for machines, but when you have these gifts, most going off. 1967 02:04:55.399 --> 02:05:01.479 They notice, hey, we're interfering with human beings, our organism, yes, 1968 02:05:01.520 --> 02:05:06.239 but even consciousness. And then they can then then enter 1969 02:05:06.279 --> 02:05:09.920 mind control agendas. Right, how can we can we create 1970 02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:14.279 an urge? Can we create fear? They're like they have 1971 02:05:16.119 --> 02:05:20.279 weapons quote unquote to I think the original idea was 1972 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:23.800 to use it to protesters, because that's the worst nightmare, right, 1973 02:05:23.920 --> 02:05:28.600 is the pitch fox and the torches and the masses 1974 02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:34.640 rising up. So they can instill they can activate the 1975 02:05:34.720 --> 02:05:38.560 fear center in our brain. They have things that can 1976 02:05:38.600 --> 02:05:41.119 make us hallucinate. They have things that can make us 1977 02:05:41.319 --> 02:05:45.159 oblivious and forget time labs. Right, So there are many 1978 02:05:45.239 --> 02:05:49.079 sophisticated ways, not the most sophistic you know, not the 1979 02:05:49.079 --> 02:05:53.079 most paranoid. They can also create sounds that we hear, right, 1980 02:05:53.399 --> 02:05:58.319 that are not outside. So, but the perception of sound, 1981 02:05:58.359 --> 02:06:01.000 it's the same you hear sound. Sound isn't dependent on 1982 02:06:01.520 --> 02:06:05.359 sound vibration. Sound vibration is just a medium for sound. 1983 02:06:06.119 --> 02:06:09.720 When I now make a lot of noises, I press 1984 02:06:09.800 --> 02:06:15.880 pressure air out of my mouth, and I compress it, 1985 02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:19.000 and I click it, and I douce different stuff about it. 1986 02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:22.880 It's just a codification of energy and codifying energy with 1987 02:06:23.199 --> 02:06:29.760 these movements of energy. And then it goes to this microphone. Now, 1988 02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:34.840 this microphone picks up on this pressure and it translates 1989 02:06:34.880 --> 02:06:39.239 it to digital impulses that are going all the way. 1990 02:06:39.279 --> 02:06:44.079 You're in America somewhere, and so when it comes out here, 1991 02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:48.920 it comes out still as pressure waves, has nothing to 1992 02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:52.760 do with what I originally pushed out. And then it 1993 02:06:52.880 --> 02:06:56.680 goes into your ear. First is picked up by the 1994 02:06:57.000 --> 02:07:02.960 drum with drum English, yeah, something like that. Now that 1995 02:07:03.079 --> 02:07:07.039 one interpretates, so there's already like ten layers of interpretation 1996 02:07:07.199 --> 02:07:11.880 of signals, right, that interprets it again. And since that 1997 02:07:12.039 --> 02:07:18.159 interpretation further through your neurons and your nerves, and eventually, 1998 02:07:18.399 --> 02:07:23.560 after many layers of translations, it's like one man standing 1999 02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:27.079 in the inside the mine and I see this screaming 2000 02:07:27.159 --> 02:07:29.319 that to the next mine. Oh, I see this screaming 2001 02:07:29.319 --> 02:07:31.159 that to the next month, or like this in the 2002 02:07:31.199 --> 02:07:34.760 old days when they was putting these fires in the 2003 02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:38.479 mountains and they were sending them further. So eventually it 2004 02:07:38.560 --> 02:07:42.800 arrives in the synapsis of your brain, where it interacts 2005 02:07:42.800 --> 02:07:45.560 with your consciousness and it creates an image for your consciousness. 2006 02:07:45.560 --> 02:07:49.560 In this case, it creates a sound image. So you 2007 02:07:49.680 --> 02:07:53.560 think you're hearing my voice, and it's not like it's 2008 02:07:53.640 --> 02:07:56.399 completely irrelevant from what I'm doing, because I can still 2009 02:07:57.640 --> 02:08:00.119 influence what you're hearing, because at the end of the 2010 02:08:01.479 --> 02:08:05.359 causation for this vibration comes from what I'm doing. But 2011 02:08:05.399 --> 02:08:08.359 it's nothing like the thing in itself you're perceiving. You're 2012 02:08:08.399 --> 02:08:14.039 perceiving ten level translation interpretation. 2013 02:08:14.960 --> 02:08:15.520 It's like this. 2014 02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:19.319 Game what you call it telephone in English, we call 2015 02:08:19.359 --> 02:08:22.720 it the whisper game. You stop by whispering something that 2016 02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:25.039 one whispers to the next, that one to the next, 2017 02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:28.119 and when it comes around, it's becomes something completely different 2018 02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:31.119 that happens to it's distorted to a certain degree, but 2019 02:08:31.199 --> 02:08:35.560 it's still related to what the first one deviced, and 2020 02:08:35.640 --> 02:08:38.640 so it's the same here. So they cannot in detail 2021 02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:44.359 still do this manipulation. Now, if you were a really 2022 02:08:44.399 --> 02:08:47.800 spiritual being, a really enlightened being that really conquered most 2023 02:08:47.840 --> 02:08:50.279 of the human limitations, you would be able to do 2024 02:08:50.319 --> 02:08:54.079 this without any machines. But the thing is, when you're 2025 02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:57.119 at that level, you have no why the. 2026 02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:59.399 Fuck would you do It's excuse my French, you have 2027 02:08:59.399 --> 02:09:00.880 no to do that. 2028 02:09:01.279 --> 02:09:04.479 You know, If anything, you want to help people and 2029 02:09:04.640 --> 02:09:07.880 make them become So no, they have to. These people 2030 02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:11.399 want to do that, and of course some of them 2031 02:09:11.560 --> 02:09:14.479 justify it by I have to do it, so you 2032 02:09:14.520 --> 02:09:16.880 know they do it. We're doing this for the better. 2033 02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:19.159 We have to control because it's going to be better, 2034 02:09:19.239 --> 02:09:22.520 blah blah blah. They have justifications, okay, but when you're 2035 02:09:22.520 --> 02:09:25.760 on the wrong side of that justification, you never agree anyway. 2036 02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:33.920 So so yeah, there are interactions that are metaphysical or spiritual, 2037 02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:38.479 and there's beings operating at that level. As you said, 2038 02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:44.119 these beings. Are they anewable like stupid or do they 2039 02:09:44.159 --> 02:09:48.439 have intelligences? That's an important question. And then you have 2040 02:09:49.479 --> 02:09:52.640 at anyway they say peaceful because they never retaliate or 2041 02:09:52.640 --> 02:09:55.840 anything very rarely. If they do anything like that, it's 2042 02:09:55.880 --> 02:09:59.039 defense like some of these ups running havoc. 2043 02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:01.720 Now, these drones. 2044 02:10:01.439 --> 02:10:06.000 Obviously from our civilization at least human physical players, they 2045 02:10:06.039 --> 02:10:08.560 would belong to the first category I talked about, the 2046 02:10:08.600 --> 02:10:12.039 first of the second, most likely the first. Then you 2047 02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:17.039 have what's deliberately been conflating with these drones, which are 2048 02:10:17.079 --> 02:10:22.920 not drones at all, which are plasma phenomenon out there 2049 02:10:23.439 --> 02:10:26.760 and now interacting with these drones. I think that these 2050 02:10:26.840 --> 02:10:29.680 are the reason these drones are out there, because these 2051 02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:36.920 drones are is having youthful flat for them, But the 2052 02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:44.079 same for these plasmas. And these plasmas are either organic 2053 02:10:44.159 --> 02:10:49.359 things or they are the third category things not in 2054 02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:57.640 our three D four D dimension, but are operating temporarily 2055 02:10:57.680 --> 02:11:01.000 here to interact with us for some reason, whether they're 2056 02:11:01.039 --> 02:11:06.479 exploring or whatever they're doing, cleaning up or mass to 2057 02:11:06.520 --> 02:11:10.079 some extent, seems like in many cases these it's not 2058 02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:15.600 the drones that are hovering over the nuclear sides. There 2059 02:11:15.640 --> 02:11:22.399 could also be creations of our own fantastical mind. We 2060 02:11:22.479 --> 02:11:28.720 are loose cannons, you know. Portageists always teenagers. Children are 2061 02:11:28.720 --> 02:11:32.840 teenagers with a lot of superfluous psychic energy that are 2062 02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:37.279 completely uncontrolled. So in a similar way, it could be 2063 02:11:37.319 --> 02:11:41.439 a spill, a collective spill like an agregore like that, 2064 02:11:41.640 --> 02:11:46.159 or a tolpa. And then here in Norway, since eighty 2065 02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:53.039 one we've been having scientific open studies, scientific open studies 2066 02:11:53.199 --> 02:12:01.279 by universities. Nothing classified, nothing military, nothing secret, nothing fine 2067 02:12:02.039 --> 02:12:05.600 of you uapiece, because we had a upho flap in 2068 02:12:05.640 --> 02:12:08.720 a remote valley and it never stopped and it became 2069 02:12:08.760 --> 02:12:11.760 a gold mine, and nobody has heard about it. And 2070 02:12:11.800 --> 02:12:16.479 they barely get means and money too, but they do 2071 02:12:16.520 --> 02:12:20.520 what they can within the limited locations they get. And 2072 02:12:20.600 --> 02:12:25.079 what they have found is that since eighty one to 2073 02:12:26.239 --> 02:12:30.039 ninety one, two one, twenty twenty one, for thirty five 2074 02:12:30.079 --> 02:12:34.319 years now, they have found that all the things that 2075 02:12:34.439 --> 02:12:40.159 are associated with UAPs are actually also manifested there. They 2076 02:12:40.199 --> 02:12:46.479 have energy things and plasma phenomenons, they have physical things, 2077 02:12:47.039 --> 02:12:50.960 they have things that that's the weird thing. It's not 2078 02:12:51.039 --> 02:12:54.239 like one thing. So they think it's like a portal, 2079 02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:59.000 and out of this portal is spilling all sorts of phenomena. 2080 02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:06.680 And I guess like if you had a portal that 2081 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:09.920 went the other way, that anything from Earth could trip 2082 02:13:09.960 --> 02:13:14.159 and fall into this hole. They would see different things 2083 02:13:14.199 --> 02:13:22.439 popping up, right, They could see humans, animals, machines, plants, whatever. 2084 02:13:23.159 --> 02:13:28.159 So maybe in maybe who knows how exotic the FLOORA 2085 02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:31.800 and Fahona is at the other side, right at the 2086 02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:36.920 immediately level above us. Remember there's many levels and then 2087 02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:41.399 you have another phenomenon, and that's that there are entities 2088 02:13:41.600 --> 02:13:47.159 in our universe which are super advanced. Like remember, why 2089 02:13:47.199 --> 02:13:52.359 did I worship the sun? Where they superstitious and they 2090 02:13:52.359 --> 02:13:55.000 didn't know any better, No, had nothing to do with that. 2091 02:13:55.600 --> 02:13:59.760 Even that civilization, those civilizations knew the Earth was around. 2092 02:14:01.439 --> 02:14:04.760 They were worshiping the Sun because they acknowledged that the 2093 02:14:04.800 --> 02:14:09.039 Sun is a love. They acknowledged that the Sun actually 2094 02:14:09.159 --> 02:14:15.600 is an comprive. What do you say, compremier saying it's 2095 02:14:15.600 --> 02:14:20.319 a compressed I think it's a word. It's a compressed life. 2096 02:14:21.800 --> 02:14:22.079 Form. 2097 02:14:22.199 --> 02:14:28.520 Is like pure life force compressed. It's like spilling out. 2098 02:14:29.359 --> 02:14:34.279 Uh and yeah, so so that energy. So so the 2099 02:14:34.840 --> 02:14:38.039 Sun was an entity. It was a good It had 2100 02:14:38.079 --> 02:14:41.479 a higher consciousness. Now, for for the son, we are 2101 02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:48.800 but bacteria right. Uh, we are moving so fast that 2102 02:14:49.479 --> 02:14:53.800 it can't like like the Sun seems to be standing 2103 02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:59.760 still for us one second. For the Sun is probably 2104 02:14:59.800 --> 02:15:05.800 one revolving around a bigger entity again, namely the central 2105 02:15:06.439 --> 02:15:10.680 point of the galaxy where all the sons are circulating around. 2106 02:15:11.159 --> 02:15:14.279 Then you have the galaxy clusters that are going around 2107 02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:19.560 their point. Again, everything is spiral, everything is rotating and vibrating. 2108 02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:24.359 Everything is torsion, even when you zoom in to micro levels. 2109 02:15:24.880 --> 02:15:30.199 So we're dealing here with our universal principle. Now for us, 2110 02:15:30.279 --> 02:15:34.560 just like we cannot perceive into certain vibration range, it's 2111 02:15:34.560 --> 02:15:36.840 the same I said. It looks at it if it's 2112 02:15:36.840 --> 02:15:40.560 standing still, because it goes so fast, right, and at 2113 02:15:40.560 --> 02:15:43.319 certain it just disappears. It's the same with the sun. 2114 02:15:43.560 --> 02:15:46.680 It looks as it's standing still because it is so slow. 2115 02:15:47.560 --> 02:15:47.840 Right. 2116 02:15:48.680 --> 02:15:52.840 Granted, we can see it move, not by the mere eye, 2117 02:15:53.199 --> 02:15:55.119 but if we have a camera, we can see it 2118 02:15:55.159 --> 02:15:59.399 move during twenty four hours. Right, it goes up and down. 2119 02:15:59.600 --> 02:16:01.520 This is why they had to have patients in the 2120 02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:06.760 ancient civilizations and meticulously measure because they had lost the 2121 02:16:06.880 --> 02:16:11.039 tools to the sophisticated tools we have now. But they 2122 02:16:11.039 --> 02:16:15.119 could still do it by basic measurements, and they already 2123 02:16:15.159 --> 02:16:21.079 had inherited enough information to apply it sensible to different things. So, 2124 02:16:23.800 --> 02:16:26.520 but for the naked eye, it seems to be standing still. 2125 02:16:26.560 --> 02:16:31.079 The vibration is so slow because you're now dealing with 2126 02:16:31.079 --> 02:16:36.680 a bigger entity. So when you come across a ant 2127 02:16:37.040 --> 02:16:41.399 or let us say a fly, you are looking like sluggish, 2128 02:16:41.399 --> 02:16:44.680 slow thing, not as slow as the sun. That's a 2129 02:16:44.680 --> 02:16:49.639 bigger discrepancy in size and distance. But for the fly, 2130 02:16:50.159 --> 02:16:52.440 you're still are very slow. So you're going to smack 2131 02:16:52.479 --> 02:16:55.360 the fly right, and you're calling like this, and it's 2132 02:16:55.399 --> 02:16:59.040 like the fly is sitting there egging you on. I 2133 02:16:59.079 --> 02:17:02.040 wonder when he will When should I leave? Should I 2134 02:17:02.159 --> 02:17:04.280 let him come a little a little closer? He can 2135 02:17:04.440 --> 02:17:07.639 he can get before I decide. That's why if you 2136 02:17:07.680 --> 02:17:10.760 want to smack a fly, you have to be very slow, 2137 02:17:11.399 --> 02:17:15.360 very slow, very slow, because then the fly thinks, hmm, 2138 02:17:16.200 --> 02:17:20.319 it's a big thing. He's standing still, standing still, right, 2139 02:17:20.959 --> 02:17:23.399 And when you're very close to it, it doesn't have 2140 02:17:23.920 --> 02:17:25.280 that's a critical space, and. 2141 02:17:25.200 --> 02:17:28.639 Then you smack it. That's the way to do it. 2142 02:17:28.760 --> 02:17:32.680 And you trick it by using and you will see 2143 02:17:32.680 --> 02:17:35.799 the same in meditation like I was once upon a 2144 02:17:35.840 --> 02:17:38.959 time as a meditation coach, and there's many different types 2145 02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:43.559 of meditation, and you have one type of meditation where 2146 02:17:44.559 --> 02:17:49.600 the meditators afterwards they say, wow, has it only been 2147 02:17:49.639 --> 02:17:52.680 five minutes? It felt like a goddamn hour. 2148 02:17:53.479 --> 02:17:53.760 Right. 2149 02:17:53.920 --> 02:17:58.120 It's the same phenomena happening in accidents car accidents. Right 2150 02:17:58.200 --> 02:18:01.159 time is you have time to do everything. You know 2151 02:18:01.280 --> 02:18:02.959 exactly what's going on, blah blah blah, but it's just 2152 02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:05.799 bits like Okay, same in meditation, but then you have 2153 02:18:05.840 --> 02:18:09.360 the other, the opposite form of meditation, where. 2154 02:18:09.559 --> 02:18:12.680 Wow, it's been an hour I thought it was. It 2155 02:18:12.680 --> 02:18:13.760 felt like five minutes. 2156 02:18:15.799 --> 02:18:19.280 Yeah, now that was what I just said, right, So 2157 02:18:19.319 --> 02:18:24.680 I meant it's been five minutes felt like. So the 2158 02:18:24.719 --> 02:18:28.319 difference is your consciousness. If you expand your consciousness during 2159 02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:31.959 meditation or if you assume in your consciousness and crystallize it, 2160 02:18:32.479 --> 02:18:35.760 time perception is going to be opposite. I had actually 2161 02:18:35.760 --> 02:18:40.040 a show about time and time perception with Anthony Peak 2162 02:18:40.079 --> 02:18:45.239 that you've had where we went into that. So but anyway, 2163 02:18:45.280 --> 02:18:47.440 I talked myself away. We were talking about UFO. So 2164 02:18:48.200 --> 02:18:52.520 to answer your question very simply, yes, they discovered they 2165 02:18:52.520 --> 02:18:55.719 can interact, but there is Remember, folks, they are not 2166 02:18:55.799 --> 02:19:00.799 omni science. These people they know some things, and they 2167 02:19:00.840 --> 02:19:03.600 know more than we do in terms of what they 2168 02:19:03.639 --> 02:19:07.920 have found out by experimenting and poking stuff, but they 2169 02:19:07.920 --> 02:19:09.600 are very stupid. At the end of the day, I 2170 02:19:09.600 --> 02:19:14.000 would rather listen to a real enlightened human being than 2171 02:19:14.680 --> 02:19:17.840 someone who has access to all the great choice of 2172 02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:22.079 our current cha in charge. 2173 02:19:22.159 --> 02:19:25.520 Yes man, aw this was fantastic information. We're going to 2174 02:19:25.600 --> 02:19:28.040 have to close out here, but I'd love to have 2175 02:19:28.120 --> 02:19:30.639 you back on soon. There's so much more we can 2176 02:19:30.680 --> 02:19:33.719 get into. I'd love to get into the deeper layers 2177 02:19:33.760 --> 02:19:37.200 of this. But one thing that we could probably wrap 2178 02:19:37.319 --> 02:19:41.600 up saying is that much of what we experience with 2179 02:19:41.680 --> 02:19:46.040 the UFO phenomena has to do with weaponizing our perception 2180 02:19:46.920 --> 02:19:53.000 and using our own creative and imaginal abilities to manifest 2181 02:19:53.200 --> 02:19:57.479 the outcomes that these parasites are looking to put forward. 2182 02:19:57.959 --> 02:20:00.879 So having an understanding of this, I believe is the 2183 02:20:00.920 --> 02:20:06.920 first step to not participating and not getting yourself attached 2184 02:20:06.920 --> 02:20:10.360 to it or involved in any dangerous way. So this 2185 02:20:10.440 --> 02:20:14.040 is great information. Al, thank you so much. Before we 2186 02:20:14.479 --> 02:20:15.079 get out. 2187 02:20:17.879 --> 02:20:22.719 The wisdom of the ancients, you were touching it, North, 2188 02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:30.959 it's out on. Know yourself and you shall know the 2189 02:20:30.959 --> 02:20:36.399 gods and cosmos. That's the whole quote. So I agree, 2190 02:20:36.639 --> 02:20:39.840 you know the thing in yourself, clean up your perception, 2191 02:20:40.639 --> 02:20:43.200 have a clear idea of what's going on. All that 2192 02:20:43.239 --> 02:20:46.600 stuff you said, North is out on. That's our best 2193 02:20:46.639 --> 02:20:50.280 bet until some remote day when there's going to be 2194 02:20:50.319 --> 02:20:51.559 a complete disclosure. 2195 02:20:51.639 --> 02:20:53.159 Yeah, I'm still. 2196 02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:56.600 Skepping hundred percent. 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